1 00:00:07,896 --> 00:00:11,068 [music playing] 2 00:00:22,379 --> 00:00:26,241 Every lie, there is a truth that always comes to light. 3 00:00:27,827 --> 00:00:29,793 Like, there'll not be anything said in the darkness 4 00:00:29,862 --> 00:00:31,689 that I will not shout from the rooftops 5 00:00:31,689 --> 00:00:33,448 and the mountaintops in the light. 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,862 [Natalia] But you wanna know something else, though? 7 00:00:38,172 --> 00:00:40,172 Admitting those is a whole other story. 8 00:00:40,172 --> 00:00:42,344 I know it's not easy. 9 00:00:43,275 --> 00:00:44,862 But that's what sets us free. 10 00:00:48,068 --> 00:00:50,586 I have been on a roller coaster 11 00:00:50,586 --> 00:00:51,689 with this case, right? 12 00:00:51,689 --> 00:00:54,379 I had been up and down, one side, the other side, 13 00:00:54,448 --> 00:00:57,482 seeing things from both sides, 14 00:00:57,482 --> 00:01:00,862 trying to figure out who is telling the truth. 15 00:01:01,517 --> 00:01:03,241 Is Michael lying? 16 00:01:03,586 --> 00:01:05,379 Is Natalia lying? 17 00:01:05,379 --> 00:01:09,241 Or maybe they are both victims of the same monster. 18 00:01:15,620 --> 00:01:17,000 [exhales] 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,068 I didn't do anything wrong. I know I didn't do anything wrong. 20 00:01:19,068 --> 00:01:22,068 I have a jury that has affirmed that I didn't do anything wrong. 21 00:01:22,068 --> 00:01:26,000 I'm not hiding. I... I'm not criminal. 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,586 Uh, I'm not ashamed. 23 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,378 I'm not gonna listen to it. I'll hit play. 24 00:01:37,378 --> 00:01:38,896 I'll hold it up and show it to you. 25 00:01:40,275 --> 00:01:44,689 So, it truly doesn't affect me 26 00:01:44,758 --> 00:01:48,068 what Kristine tells random people in the public about me. 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,586 Kristine told me in a series of messages 28 00:01:54,586 --> 00:01:57,793 Natalia ruined her life in so many ways. 29 00:01:57,862 --> 00:01:59,551 Kristine basically said that... 30 00:02:00,275 --> 00:02:02,793 Natalia started [bleep] her husband. 31 00:02:03,379 --> 00:02:06,586 She had either caught Natalia 32 00:02:06,655 --> 00:02:08,689 -having sex with her husband... -Say what? 33 00:02:08,758 --> 00:02:10,378 ...or became aware of it. 34 00:02:10,378 --> 00:02:13,172 -And then apparently, Natalia also tried to... -[Natalia] Are you serious? 35 00:02:13,172 --> 00:02:17,172 ... [bleep] one of the neighbors' husbands or one of the neighbors. 36 00:02:17,241 --> 00:02:19,275 -Wait. Hold on. -[Freddie] I specifically remember Kristine 37 00:02:19,275 --> 00:02:23,586 just telling me how heartbroken she was over the situation with Natalia 38 00:02:23,655 --> 00:02:24,896 sleeping with her husband. 39 00:02:24,965 --> 00:02:27,172 No! Are you crazy? 40 00:02:27,724 --> 00:02:29,482 That is a total lie. 41 00:02:30,379 --> 00:02:34,067 So to answer... to simply say it on camera. 42 00:02:34,067 --> 00:02:37,172 Absolutely not. I have never at all... 43 00:02:37,241 --> 00:02:38,689 touched Natalia in an inappropriate way. 44 00:02:38,758 --> 00:02:41,172 I have never had any kind of sexual relations with Natalia. 45 00:02:41,241 --> 00:02:43,482 Unequivocally, absolutely, 46 00:02:43,482 --> 00:02:47,000 One hundred percent, hell... no. 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,103 At the same time... that's Kristine. 48 00:02:52,103 --> 00:02:56,275 She will make up whatever crazy loud lie she can 49 00:02:56,344 --> 00:02:58,862 and if you don't believe her, then she'll take it up a notch. 50 00:03:01,931 --> 00:03:05,275 Michael really wants some resolution 51 00:03:05,344 --> 00:03:08,137 in his one-on-one with Natalia. 52 00:03:09,068 --> 00:03:12,379 But he also wants her to believe and understand 53 00:03:12,448 --> 00:03:15,241 that he was victimized by Kristine too. 54 00:03:16,206 --> 00:03:18,275 Natalia wants answers 55 00:03:18,275 --> 00:03:20,689 and she wants justice. 56 00:03:20,758 --> 00:03:23,586 The Barnetts think that it's over, but it's not. 57 00:03:23,586 --> 00:03:25,551 It is far from over. 58 00:03:26,827 --> 00:03:29,586 [Beth] And maybe they both still need to come clean 59 00:03:29,655 --> 00:03:31,379 because maybe... 60 00:03:31,379 --> 00:03:33,965 everybody is hiding something. 61 00:03:45,275 --> 00:03:47,448 [sniffles, sighs] 62 00:03:50,379 --> 00:03:52,067 If the truth does set us free, 63 00:03:52,137 --> 00:03:56,000 and we have told as much truth as we can, have we not? 64 00:03:56,586 --> 00:03:58,896 Hopefully, me showing up here... 65 00:03:58,965 --> 00:04:02,689 should let you know I harbor no ill will for anything. 66 00:04:02,689 --> 00:04:04,586 I'm not trying to hide from anything. 67 00:04:09,482 --> 00:04:10,689 [sighs] 68 00:04:11,724 --> 00:04:15,068 Did you know she pepper-sprayed me? 69 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:18,000 I learned that... 70 00:04:19,930 --> 00:04:21,481 about a year ago. 71 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 -[Natalia] Do you know-- -Jacob told me. 72 00:04:25,034 --> 00:04:26,689 Do you know how many times she did it? 73 00:04:26,689 --> 00:04:28,379 [Michael] Jacob told me once. 74 00:04:28,379 --> 00:04:31,655 Granted, Jacob wasn't going to be around every second of the day. 75 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:33,482 It was twice. 76 00:04:33,482 --> 00:04:35,586 I can remember her getting a can of the pepper spray. 77 00:04:35,586 --> 00:04:37,862 I remember her having it on her keys. 78 00:04:38,689 --> 00:04:41,172 -[sighs] -[Natalia] The first time she did it, 79 00:04:41,172 --> 00:04:44,068 it was just to show me what it was gonna be like. 80 00:04:44,068 --> 00:04:47,068 -I remember she took me to the back porch. -[exhales] 81 00:04:47,137 --> 00:04:49,793 [sniffles] She told me to keep my eyes open. 82 00:04:49,793 --> 00:04:51,689 And the first time, I closed 'em 83 00:04:51,689 --> 00:04:53,586 right as she was spraying, and she got mad 84 00:04:53,586 --> 00:04:56,689 and was like, "You need to keep your eyes open." 85 00:04:56,758 --> 00:05:00,379 [Michael] You know what? It's just too bad nobody ever got to show her. 86 00:05:00,379 --> 00:05:02,586 'Cause, you know, if you have to know what it's gonna be like, 87 00:05:02,655 --> 00:05:04,241 doesn't she need to know what it's gonna be like? 88 00:05:11,896 --> 00:05:13,586 [voice shaking] And after she did it, 89 00:05:13,655 --> 00:05:15,172 she wouldn't even let me clean my eyes 90 00:05:15,172 --> 00:05:16,896 for like five minutes. 91 00:05:17,896 --> 00:05:20,034 And I remember crying. 92 00:05:20,896 --> 00:05:22,482 [sobbing] She wouldn't help me. 93 00:05:24,586 --> 00:05:25,896 [sniffles] 94 00:05:26,724 --> 00:05:28,000 The second time she did it, 95 00:05:28,034 --> 00:05:30,172 it was actually at Jacob's school. 96 00:05:30,241 --> 00:05:32,689 -All because I was walking too slow. -[Michael sighs] 97 00:05:36,310 --> 00:05:37,896 [sobbing] 98 00:05:41,586 --> 00:05:43,068 [Natalia continues sobbing] 99 00:05:43,137 --> 00:05:46,241 I don't know nothing about statutes of limitations or anything but... 100 00:05:47,586 --> 00:05:50,655 [sighs wearily] that sounds like [beeping] to me. 101 00:05:54,206 --> 00:05:58,103 [Natalia] Did you know that she pepper-sprayed me? 102 00:05:58,103 --> 00:06:02,586 [Michael] I learned that... about a year ago. 103 00:06:02,586 --> 00:06:05,448 Wait a second, the pepper spray? Okay. No, no. 104 00:06:06,103 --> 00:06:07,896 He didn't just learn about it. 105 00:06:07,896 --> 00:06:11,000 He told us in 2022 in an interview 106 00:06:11,034 --> 00:06:13,896 that Kristine told him about it at the time. 107 00:06:13,896 --> 00:06:16,689 [Michael] Natalia wasn't telling her who she was, 108 00:06:16,689 --> 00:06:19,068 so Kristine told me, one day I came home from work, 109 00:06:19,068 --> 00:06:21,000 that she tried something new. 110 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,275 We had a pink... 111 00:06:23,344 --> 00:06:26,275 cannister of pepper spray that was on Kristine's keys. 112 00:06:28,413 --> 00:06:30,689 "Tell me who you are... 113 00:06:30,689 --> 00:06:33,896 or I'm gonna spray you in the face with this." 114 00:06:33,896 --> 00:06:35,275 No, I don't think he just learned about it 115 00:06:35,275 --> 00:06:37,896 because he told us he knew about it in 2022. 116 00:06:37,896 --> 00:06:40,172 Kristine's telling me this happily and proudly 117 00:06:40,241 --> 00:06:42,275 like it's no big deal. 118 00:06:42,275 --> 00:06:44,068 "Michael, I... 119 00:06:44,137 --> 00:06:45,793 I even tried pepper-spraying her today. 120 00:06:45,862 --> 00:06:48,379 She still won't admit the truth." 121 00:06:48,448 --> 00:06:52,172 Michael needs to admit to Natalia that he knew about it. 122 00:06:52,172 --> 00:06:54,689 You can't tell her you just learned about it 123 00:06:54,689 --> 00:06:58,551 when you told us and it's recorded. 124 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:01,896 Just admit it. 125 00:07:01,896 --> 00:07:05,551 It hurt, you know, the fact that... [sniffles] 126 00:07:07,275 --> 00:07:10,482 the fact that she just did it, like, just to do it. 127 00:07:10,551 --> 00:07:13,586 That first time was... and I didn't want her to do it. 128 00:07:13,586 --> 00:07:16,482 Like, I told her, you know, I don't want to do it. [sniffles] 129 00:07:16,482 --> 00:07:19,482 And she did it the first time and I closed my eyes 130 00:07:19,482 --> 00:07:22,689 before it got in my eyes and she told me to keep... 131 00:07:22,689 --> 00:07:25,482 Kristine told me to keep my eyes open. 132 00:07:25,551 --> 00:07:29,172 It hurt so much and the fact that she didn't care 133 00:07:29,172 --> 00:07:31,344 was the worst part of it. 134 00:07:33,689 --> 00:07:37,172 Looking back and talking to Natalia and... 135 00:07:37,172 --> 00:07:40,793 reflecting and asking her if anything had happened in the Barnett home, 136 00:07:40,793 --> 00:07:43,586 um, physical abuse, she didn't say anything. 137 00:07:43,586 --> 00:07:46,586 What Natalia is saying in this video clip... 138 00:07:46,586 --> 00:07:48,172 I had never heard that before. 139 00:07:48,172 --> 00:07:50,379 She never said anything. 140 00:07:50,448 --> 00:07:51,896 And knowing what I know 141 00:07:51,896 --> 00:07:54,172 with my experience in interviewing children 142 00:07:54,172 --> 00:07:55,793 and working with families over the years, 143 00:07:55,793 --> 00:07:57,793 it doesn't surprise me that she didn't say anything. 144 00:07:57,862 --> 00:07:59,275 [crying] 145 00:07:59,275 --> 00:08:01,896 [Sheriff Bob] There's some trauma there. 146 00:08:01,896 --> 00:08:03,793 What they did... 147 00:08:03,793 --> 00:08:04,862 that's not love. 148 00:08:05,793 --> 00:08:06,965 Not even close. 149 00:08:07,586 --> 00:08:08,655 That's hate. 150 00:08:12,068 --> 00:08:14,482 What are the things that Kristine made up? 151 00:08:14,551 --> 00:08:15,758 [Michael] Um... 152 00:08:17,620 --> 00:08:20,172 I... so many things. 153 00:08:20,172 --> 00:08:22,379 What did she make up about me? 154 00:08:23,413 --> 00:08:25,172 You were going to kill everybody. 155 00:08:26,379 --> 00:08:28,862 You were gonna kill her, you were gonna kill the boys. 156 00:08:29,379 --> 00:08:30,793 And again, I don't wanna talk. 157 00:08:30,793 --> 00:08:33,172 I don't wanna... I don't wanna go down this road. 158 00:08:33,172 --> 00:08:34,895 [Natalia] Kristine is the one that told me 159 00:08:34,965 --> 00:08:38,000 to tell them that I wanted to hurt you guys, 160 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,586 that I wanted to... poison Kristine, 161 00:08:40,586 --> 00:08:44,000 that I wanted to... just... that I was hiding knives. 162 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,689 What is that story even? 163 00:08:45,689 --> 00:08:47,000 What was what story? 164 00:08:47,034 --> 00:08:48,758 -Hiding knives? -[Natalia] Yeah. 165 00:08:49,172 --> 00:08:51,275 I was never alone. 166 00:08:51,275 --> 00:08:53,896 What is that story about? 167 00:08:53,896 --> 00:08:55,689 I would come home from work. There was a couple of times, 168 00:08:55,689 --> 00:08:57,103 during a period of time, that Kristine said 169 00:08:57,103 --> 00:08:58,689 she found knives under your bed. 170 00:08:58,689 --> 00:09:00,586 There was one time that I... 171 00:09:00,586 --> 00:09:02,482 found a knife under your bed. 172 00:09:02,551 --> 00:09:05,172 And there was one time you were holding a knife in our bedroom. 173 00:09:05,241 --> 00:09:06,965 That's what that's about. 174 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,344 I was never in y'all's room with a knife. 175 00:09:16,482 --> 00:09:17,965 I remember you being in there. 176 00:09:18,931 --> 00:09:21,275 I couldn't even look at over y'all's bed. 177 00:09:21,275 --> 00:09:23,379 I barely even climbed over it. 178 00:09:23,379 --> 00:09:25,379 I understand that. That doesn't change the fact 179 00:09:25,379 --> 00:09:28,172 that you were in the room holding the knife that direction. 180 00:09:31,413 --> 00:09:32,655 [Natalia] Michael... 181 00:09:33,620 --> 00:09:35,689 I remember... 182 00:09:35,689 --> 00:09:38,068 the knives were always put up where I couldn't even reach 'em. 183 00:09:38,068 --> 00:09:40,172 I would've had to drag a chair. Y'all would've heard me. 184 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,965 And I was never alone. 185 00:09:44,793 --> 00:09:46,482 Kristine was always there, 186 00:09:46,551 --> 00:09:49,172 -so how could I have got 'em? -[Michael] I don't know. 187 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,379 There was a night, you were standing 188 00:09:53,379 --> 00:09:56,344 not the very foot of the bed, but, like, six, seven, eight feet back... 189 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,689 holding a medium-size knife. 190 00:09:59,758 --> 00:10:01,586 And there was one time I found one under your bed. 191 00:10:01,586 --> 00:10:03,965 Now, were there things going on that was... 192 00:10:04,724 --> 00:10:07,103 making it really hard for you to keep... 193 00:10:07,103 --> 00:10:10,379 things straight? Maybe, but I remember that. 194 00:10:10,379 --> 00:10:12,793 I couldn't even reach that fridge even with a chair. 195 00:10:12,793 --> 00:10:14,275 So how could I have got them? 196 00:10:14,275 --> 00:10:16,551 I don't know how. I know what I saw. 197 00:10:18,103 --> 00:10:21,793 I was never alone. Kristine was always there. 198 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,758 And yet I remember seeing that. 199 00:10:32,827 --> 00:10:35,689 [Michael] It's okay, we don't have to focus on that. 200 00:10:35,689 --> 00:10:37,172 [Beth] I don't know what the truth is. 201 00:10:37,172 --> 00:10:41,275 But at the beginning of this face-off 202 00:10:41,275 --> 00:10:43,000 between Natalia and Michael, 203 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,793 you look at her body language, right? 204 00:10:44,793 --> 00:10:48,896 She is, like, not happy and is like "Okay, what do you got? 205 00:10:48,896 --> 00:10:51,586 But Michael sounds pretty truthful. 206 00:10:51,586 --> 00:10:53,275 I know what I saw. 207 00:10:53,344 --> 00:10:54,586 [Beth] Michael seems pretty credible. 208 00:10:54,655 --> 00:10:58,689 And then Natalia starts to relax her posture. 209 00:10:58,689 --> 00:11:00,793 So if you're reading her body language, 210 00:11:00,793 --> 00:11:04,344 one has to wonder. Does Natalia remember everything... 211 00:11:04,827 --> 00:11:06,172 back in those days? 212 00:11:16,206 --> 00:11:17,344 [interviewer] Mmm-hmm. 213 00:11:21,379 --> 00:11:22,689 [interviewer] Tell me about that. 214 00:11:27,827 --> 00:11:29,655 [interviewer] Well, what was happening with the knife? 215 00:11:41,896 --> 00:11:45,655 [Beth] Was Natalia a dangerous person? 216 00:11:47,793 --> 00:11:50,172 Did she or didn't she hold a knife 217 00:11:50,172 --> 00:11:51,758 at the end of their bed? 218 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 And why did so many other people 219 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,758 report that Natalia was violent 220 00:11:57,827 --> 00:12:00,275 and acted out sexually? 221 00:12:00,275 --> 00:12:03,068 It is one of those unanswered questions in this case. 222 00:12:06,103 --> 00:12:07,758 [Terrance] Every family she's been with 223 00:12:07,827 --> 00:12:11,586 has given the identical story of her behavior. 224 00:12:11,586 --> 00:12:14,689 And that story is, "Natalia harmed 225 00:12:14,689 --> 00:12:16,758 one of our family members." 226 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,586 There is a pattern here. 227 00:12:19,655 --> 00:12:22,344 And the Barnetts experienced this pattern. 228 00:12:24,103 --> 00:12:26,068 That raises questions. 229 00:12:30,172 --> 00:12:32,000 [Beth] After hearing about the way Natalia... 230 00:12:32,034 --> 00:12:34,172 Natalia was treated inside the Barnett home, 231 00:12:34,172 --> 00:12:35,586 all the beatings, 232 00:12:36,482 --> 00:12:40,379 it sheds a different light on these allegations 233 00:12:40,448 --> 00:12:42,896 that Natalia was hoarding knives 234 00:12:42,896 --> 00:12:44,758 and putting them under her bed, if she ever was. 235 00:12:44,827 --> 00:12:46,586 Because maybe, 236 00:12:46,655 --> 00:12:49,241 she had these knives for self-defense. 237 00:12:49,862 --> 00:12:51,000 And also, 238 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,379 there is another explanation for Natalia's behavior. 239 00:12:55,172 --> 00:12:57,482 In 2010, Natalia was diagnosed 240 00:12:57,551 --> 00:13:00,172 with reactive attachment disorder. 241 00:13:00,172 --> 00:13:02,068 And that's a diagnosis 242 00:13:02,137 --> 00:13:04,931 though, apparently, it's kinda common with orphans. 243 00:13:05,517 --> 00:13:08,172 Maybe international orphans too. 244 00:13:08,172 --> 00:13:11,172 Reactive attachment disorder is a rare condition 245 00:13:11,172 --> 00:13:13,172 that prevents children from bonding 246 00:13:13,241 --> 00:13:14,586 with their family members. 247 00:13:14,586 --> 00:13:17,482 And the number one cause is trauma. 248 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:23,344 [Nicole] I think that Natalia did have her trauma. 249 00:13:23,758 --> 00:13:24,965 'Cause who wouldn't? 250 00:13:25,896 --> 00:13:28,482 I think that the Barnetts were pushing her daily 251 00:13:28,482 --> 00:13:32,172 to do things that were probably making her 252 00:13:32,172 --> 00:13:34,379 very, very uncomfortable. 253 00:13:34,379 --> 00:13:38,275 I think she was in pain, chronic pain, miserable. 254 00:13:38,275 --> 00:13:40,482 And if she was acting out 255 00:13:40,482 --> 00:13:43,068 whether it'd be a knife, whether it'd be whatever, 256 00:13:43,068 --> 00:13:48,172 she was a child who was disabled who needed help. 257 00:13:48,172 --> 00:13:50,586 [Natalia] Says that I was diagnosed with psychosis, bipolar, 258 00:13:50,655 --> 00:13:53,827 schizophrenia, attachment disorder and mood disorder. 259 00:13:55,206 --> 00:13:57,275 You can ask my parents. 260 00:13:57,275 --> 00:13:59,793 Never once have I showed any signs of bipolar, 261 00:13:59,793 --> 00:14:03,000 and my parents have seen bipolar before. 262 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Like, they've seen a whole lot of mental illnesses. 263 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,241 So they know. 264 00:14:08,275 --> 00:14:09,379 And they will let you know that 265 00:14:09,448 --> 00:14:11,379 I've never showed anything like that. 266 00:14:12,413 --> 00:14:14,448 The reactive attachment disorder, 267 00:14:15,931 --> 00:14:19,344 I can say there probably was a little bit before. 268 00:14:25,862 --> 00:14:29,344 The only thing I had was reactive attachment disorder. 269 00:14:30,379 --> 00:14:32,482 Which is understandable. 270 00:14:32,482 --> 00:14:36,000 I've seen so many people that didn't want me. 271 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,758 So, of course, I'mma be scared to get attached to you. 272 00:14:39,862 --> 00:14:41,793 But I'm also scared to get attached to you 273 00:14:41,793 --> 00:14:43,482 because of what you're doing. 274 00:14:43,482 --> 00:14:45,379 Why would I wanna get attached to you? 275 00:14:47,310 --> 00:14:50,344 If anything, I wanna get as far away from you as possible. 276 00:14:52,862 --> 00:14:55,172 But I couldn't do that 'cause I was a kid. 277 00:14:56,896 --> 00:15:00,586 And I do remember having some behavior issues 278 00:15:00,586 --> 00:15:03,241 when I first met my parents. 279 00:15:04,275 --> 00:15:06,689 When Natalia first got with us, 280 00:15:06,689 --> 00:15:10,379 there would be moments that she would just be so broken 281 00:15:10,379 --> 00:15:14,827 and just feel like, "How do I deal with this?" You know? 282 00:15:15,586 --> 00:15:17,068 Wassup? 283 00:15:17,137 --> 00:15:19,758 -[Natalia chuckles] What's up, people? -[child speaking indistinctly] 284 00:15:19,758 --> 00:15:21,758 [Cynthia] Natalia's been with us all these years. 285 00:15:21,827 --> 00:15:24,172 And let me tell you, we have corrected Natalia. 286 00:15:24,172 --> 00:15:26,896 And she's never came at us with a knife 287 00:15:26,896 --> 00:15:28,793 or put thumb tacks up on our stairs 288 00:15:28,793 --> 00:15:30,241 or tried to hurt our children. 289 00:15:31,896 --> 00:15:35,827 I was lying all the time, stealing all the time, 290 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,482 I cussed. 291 00:15:37,482 --> 00:15:41,862 I probably did say some sexual stuff that I should not have. 292 00:15:41,931 --> 00:15:45,000 Um, they probably remember it more than I do. 293 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:45,862 [chuckles softly] 294 00:15:45,862 --> 00:15:48,379 I'm sorry, Mom and Dad, I'm sorry. 295 00:15:48,379 --> 00:15:50,000 'Cause I didn't know. 296 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,275 I was really little, 297 00:15:51,275 --> 00:15:55,241 being exposed to so much stuff that I didn't know was bad. 298 00:15:58,103 --> 00:16:00,482 But I don't like to think about my past. 299 00:16:09,275 --> 00:16:12,482 Natalia's been asked about her memories of Ukraine. 300 00:16:14,931 --> 00:16:17,586 And we know that survivors of trauma 301 00:16:17,655 --> 00:16:20,344 often block memories as a coping mechanism. 302 00:16:24,172 --> 00:16:27,551 [Veronica] She had these traumatic events in her past. 303 00:16:28,275 --> 00:16:32,172 And her childhood was so difficult 304 00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:34,655 and so many sporadic traumas. 305 00:16:35,896 --> 00:16:40,000 It doesn't surprise me that Natalia was acting out. 306 00:16:41,310 --> 00:16:45,758 I've always tried to remember certain things. 307 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:46,896 [dog barking] 308 00:16:46,896 --> 00:16:49,000 I don't know what happened to me 309 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,862 while I was in the Ukraine. 310 00:16:54,103 --> 00:16:56,068 That is one big part of the puzzle 311 00:16:56,137 --> 00:16:57,862 that has still got a lot of holes in it. 312 00:17:03,172 --> 00:17:05,482 [investigator] All right, so you were in Ukraine 313 00:17:05,482 --> 00:17:07,378 and, and has anybody ever told you 314 00:17:07,448 --> 00:17:09,378 how long you were in the orphanage? 315 00:17:13,689 --> 00:17:15,862 [investigator] You think you were only there for a year. 316 00:17:20,482 --> 00:17:22,931 [Natalia] The time I was in the Ukraine in the orphanage, 317 00:17:23,517 --> 00:17:26,655 there's a lot of fuzziness with it. 318 00:17:27,482 --> 00:17:29,586 One thing I do remember though, 319 00:17:30,172 --> 00:17:31,275 I remember, I-- 320 00:17:31,275 --> 00:17:34,068 It might've been like a foster family 321 00:17:34,137 --> 00:17:35,448 or like a mom. 322 00:17:38,896 --> 00:17:40,758 Like, I remember being there 323 00:17:41,620 --> 00:17:44,172 for honestly, I don't even know how long. 324 00:17:44,241 --> 00:17:45,758 Like, I just remember waking up 325 00:17:45,758 --> 00:17:47,586 and it was totally different. 326 00:17:47,586 --> 00:17:49,689 I don't know how I got there. 327 00:17:49,689 --> 00:17:51,689 I don't know what happened. 328 00:17:51,689 --> 00:17:55,000 And I don't remember how I came to the United States. 329 00:17:55,034 --> 00:17:59,000 Like, that whole thing is just blank. 330 00:18:01,379 --> 00:18:03,586 There's still a lot of mystery that, uh, 331 00:18:03,655 --> 00:18:06,448 surrounds Natalia's adoption in Ukraine. 332 00:18:08,931 --> 00:18:12,172 And the records that were lost 333 00:18:12,172 --> 00:18:14,068 in a sewer incident at the hospital 334 00:18:14,068 --> 00:18:16,379 that we're aware of, where she was born. 335 00:18:18,103 --> 00:18:20,758 The judge that handled the adoption proceeding 336 00:18:20,758 --> 00:18:24,068 was terminated for corruption 337 00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:26,965 a month or so after Natalia was adopted. 338 00:18:27,793 --> 00:18:29,172 And that the file, 339 00:18:29,172 --> 00:18:32,275 the records of Natalia's adoption were missing. 340 00:18:32,275 --> 00:18:36,172 Did you ever see that birth certificate before? 341 00:18:36,172 --> 00:18:41,482 -[speaking Ukrainian] -[Kenneth] You did-- Did you-- 342 00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:49,068 [speaking Ukrainian] 343 00:18:50,758 --> 00:18:55,172 -[speaking Ukrainian] -[Kenneth] No. Okay. 344 00:18:55,172 --> 00:18:56,965 [translator] She didn't know about her whereabouts. 345 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,482 They only told her she was relocated to the United States, 346 00:19:00,482 --> 00:19:03,655 and she doesn't know what happened to her after this. 347 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Would I be surprised that Natalia was handed off 348 00:19:13,034 --> 00:19:16,172 to different people for nefarious reasons? 349 00:19:16,172 --> 00:19:18,862 Maybe, you know, trafficked. 350 00:19:18,931 --> 00:19:21,172 I wouldn't be surprised by anything. 351 00:19:21,241 --> 00:19:22,482 [investigator] Do you know which parts of the body 352 00:19:22,551 --> 00:19:24,137 people aren't supposed to touch? 353 00:19:26,793 --> 00:19:28,689 -[investigator] Private areas. -[Natalia] Yeah. 354 00:19:28,758 --> 00:19:30,379 [investigator] You know where your private areas are? 355 00:19:30,448 --> 00:19:31,586 [investigator] Okay. 356 00:19:31,586 --> 00:19:34,862 There are a lot of real sickos out there. 357 00:19:34,862 --> 00:19:36,344 Talk about diabolical. 358 00:19:36,689 --> 00:19:38,379 They exist. 359 00:19:43,689 --> 00:19:44,862 Tell me about that. 360 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,034 [investigator] Mmm-hmm. 361 00:19:50,172 --> 00:19:52,172 -[investigator] Which guy? -[Natalia] Um... 362 00:20:03,241 --> 00:20:05,000 [Nicole] Our social worker had taught us. 363 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,586 A child that comes from an orphanage 364 00:20:08,586 --> 00:20:11,379 that was abandoned as a baby, 365 00:20:11,379 --> 00:20:13,586 is gonna have some trauma. 366 00:20:13,586 --> 00:20:16,758 If Natalia is now your daughter, 367 00:20:16,827 --> 00:20:20,000 and she's been diagnosed with reactive attachment disorder, 368 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,862 you have to accept that. 369 00:20:21,931 --> 00:20:24,655 You have to be prepared. 370 00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:26,448 [Cynthia] Natalia's been through a lot. 371 00:20:26,517 --> 00:20:29,586 And so how we coped with it was lots of family love. 372 00:20:29,586 --> 00:20:31,034 Like, we would all get together 373 00:20:31,034 --> 00:20:32,551 and we would pray together, 374 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:36,896 to show her that she is a good person 375 00:20:36,896 --> 00:20:39,827 and she is able to be loved. 376 00:20:40,689 --> 00:20:43,551 [Michael] Your therapist believed 377 00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:47,862 that reactive attachment kids needed to be boot camped. 378 00:20:47,862 --> 00:20:52,344 That you needed to treated like you were in the military. 379 00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:55,862 He shared a couple words with Kristine, 380 00:20:56,655 --> 00:20:59,448 and she took 'em and ran with 'em. 381 00:21:01,379 --> 00:21:03,000 She loved the idea of bootcamp. 382 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,448 And at-- And suddenly, everything was a privilege or a consequence. 383 00:21:06,448 --> 00:21:08,965 I had privileges and consequences. 384 00:21:10,586 --> 00:21:15,034 Abusers want you to feel like not only you're the only one, 385 00:21:15,034 --> 00:21:17,862 -but they want you to feel like you can't tell anyone. -[Natalia crying] 386 00:21:18,793 --> 00:21:21,344 [Michael] I am thankful you and I are alive today. 387 00:21:21,344 --> 00:21:23,448 Oh, my God. [sighs] 388 00:21:24,103 --> 00:21:25,000 [crying softly] 389 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,275 She tried everything 390 00:21:27,275 --> 00:21:30,137 to try to make me into a monster. 391 00:21:30,137 --> 00:21:32,103 [Michael] She did the exact same to me. 392 00:21:33,482 --> 00:21:36,103 November 2013, 393 00:21:36,103 --> 00:21:38,103 uh, we had just moved to Canada. 394 00:21:38,103 --> 00:21:40,448 And she and I had the-- [sighs] 395 00:21:40,448 --> 00:21:43,758 probably the fight to end all fights. 396 00:21:43,758 --> 00:21:46,137 We're in a car. There's me, there's her. 397 00:21:46,137 --> 00:21:48,103 Wesley and Ethan are in the back seat. 398 00:21:48,103 --> 00:21:49,137 [sighs] 399 00:21:50,793 --> 00:21:52,137 [exhales sharply] 400 00:21:52,137 --> 00:21:56,344 Instant screaming, blood curdling, top-of-lungs. 401 00:21:57,896 --> 00:21:59,758 "Everything's mine, nothing's yours. 402 00:21:59,758 --> 00:22:01,448 These people are mine. 403 00:22:01,448 --> 00:22:03,172 The things are mine, the children are mine, 404 00:22:03,172 --> 00:22:05,448 the money is mine, friends are mine. 405 00:22:05,517 --> 00:22:07,137 You have nothing." 406 00:22:07,137 --> 00:22:08,586 And she's just going on and on and on 407 00:22:08,586 --> 00:22:10,206 and she just keeps saying, 408 00:22:10,965 --> 00:22:12,000 "Mine." 409 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,241 My success, my money, my Hollywood. 410 00:22:18,344 --> 00:22:20,862 And she keeps going and she keeps going and she keeps going. 411 00:22:21,241 --> 00:22:23,965 And I had enough. 412 00:22:24,758 --> 00:22:26,965 And both hands on the wheel, 413 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,241 I shouldn't have said what I said. I regret saying what I said. 414 00:22:32,172 --> 00:22:33,965 I told her, "Shut up or I'll kill you." 415 00:22:33,965 --> 00:22:36,655 So she keeps yelling, yelling, yelling, gets her phone out, 416 00:22:37,551 --> 00:22:39,862 secretly hits "record" and then stops screaming. 417 00:22:41,172 --> 00:22:42,758 So now, the only person screaming is who? 418 00:22:43,034 --> 00:22:44,344 -You. -Me. 419 00:22:44,862 --> 00:22:46,068 And what am I saying? 420 00:22:46,793 --> 00:22:48,034 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 421 00:22:48,793 --> 00:22:49,862 So she records that, 422 00:22:49,931 --> 00:22:51,793 and while it's happening she turns to the boys, 423 00:22:51,793 --> 00:22:53,758 "Boys, Dad's gonna kill you both. 424 00:22:53,827 --> 00:22:56,448 But Mommy's gonna protect you. I'll save you. 425 00:22:56,448 --> 00:22:59,551 He's gonna kill everyone. I'll save you." 426 00:23:00,137 --> 00:23:01,758 So, she records it. [sighs] 427 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,137 I can't tell you how many times 428 00:23:04,137 --> 00:23:05,655 she's played that back to them. 429 00:23:06,965 --> 00:23:08,275 It's a lot. 430 00:23:09,379 --> 00:23:13,241 She played that back to them over and over and over, allegedly 431 00:23:14,068 --> 00:23:16,034 so they would be afraid of their dad. 432 00:23:16,034 --> 00:23:18,000 All I wanted to do was get away from her. 433 00:23:18,758 --> 00:23:22,241 They spent the next nine months, 434 00:23:22,586 --> 00:23:23,655 all three boys, 435 00:23:25,068 --> 00:23:26,758 staying up all night, 436 00:23:27,482 --> 00:23:28,793 at the window of the farm 437 00:23:28,793 --> 00:23:30,241 in the middle of nowhere, Canada, 438 00:23:30,655 --> 00:23:32,172 with knives 439 00:23:32,896 --> 00:23:34,862 waiting for their dad to come home. 440 00:23:35,896 --> 00:23:36,965 Because she had convinced them 441 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,034 he's gonna come back and get you. 442 00:23:39,034 --> 00:23:41,344 He's going to come back and kill you. 443 00:23:41,344 --> 00:23:43,965 You've gotta tell the judge in our divorce 444 00:23:43,965 --> 00:23:45,344 that you've gotta come with Mom, 445 00:23:45,413 --> 00:23:47,068 'cause Dad's gonna kill you. 446 00:23:48,379 --> 00:23:51,896 The boys relayed to me that she would pull up on the computer, 447 00:23:51,896 --> 00:23:55,689 every story of every father that ever killed their child. 448 00:23:55,689 --> 00:23:57,862 And she convinced them I was gonna do it to 'em. 449 00:23:59,862 --> 00:24:01,482 Suddenly, they're terrified. 450 00:24:19,965 --> 00:24:23,413 And she takes them to a battered women's therapist in the middle of nowhere. 451 00:24:24,172 --> 00:24:27,000 And tells the battered women's therapist, 452 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,482 "I'm a monster, I'm gonna kill everybody, 453 00:24:29,482 --> 00:24:30,931 please save me." 454 00:24:32,896 --> 00:24:34,758 She gets me to agree that 455 00:24:34,827 --> 00:24:38,551 whatever the therapist thinks is best for the kids, I'll do. 456 00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:39,793 [clicks tongue] Next thing I know, 457 00:24:39,793 --> 00:24:41,482 what the therapist thinks is best for the kids 458 00:24:41,482 --> 00:24:43,310 is they should-- they should never talk to their dad. 459 00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:46,068 [cries softly] 460 00:24:47,379 --> 00:24:48,551 I didn't see my sons. 461 00:24:50,793 --> 00:24:51,862 [sniffles] 462 00:24:51,931 --> 00:24:52,862 [softly] She took 'em. 463 00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:55,172 [sniffles] 464 00:24:55,172 --> 00:24:57,241 I-- I-- I don't-- I don't have my sons. 465 00:24:59,172 --> 00:25:03,137 January 15th, 2014 is the last time I saw them. 466 00:25:04,068 --> 00:25:08,241 [crying softly] 467 00:25:16,068 --> 00:25:17,482 I've seen Jacob. 468 00:25:17,482 --> 00:25:19,344 And he and I have worked on things 469 00:25:19,344 --> 00:25:22,206 and tried to repair some things. [sniffles] 470 00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:24,241 But I missed everything. 471 00:25:24,241 --> 00:25:25,241 [sniffles] I missed... 472 00:25:26,586 --> 00:25:28,068 the rest of him growing up, 473 00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:29,551 I missed... 474 00:25:29,551 --> 00:25:31,862 things like his first date, his first dance. 475 00:25:32,551 --> 00:25:33,551 I... 476 00:25:34,275 --> 00:25:36,034 I've-- I've-- I've missed-- 477 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:37,448 I've-- I've-- I've missed-- 478 00:25:37,517 --> 00:25:39,758 I've missed every-- everything. [sniffles] 479 00:25:39,758 --> 00:25:40,827 I haven't... 480 00:25:41,655 --> 00:25:43,655 I've-- I-- I haven't seen Wesley and Ethan. 481 00:25:44,379 --> 00:25:45,827 My sons are gone. [sniffles] 482 00:25:47,689 --> 00:25:49,758 [Natalie] I can tell he's struggling. 483 00:25:50,379 --> 00:25:53,344 I feel like part of it is guilt. 484 00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:55,137 The things that Michael has done, 485 00:25:55,137 --> 00:25:56,551 that Kristine has done, 486 00:25:57,275 --> 00:25:58,965 they were not right. 487 00:25:58,965 --> 00:26:01,000 It should've never happened in the first place. 488 00:26:02,103 --> 00:26:05,241 [Antwan] I think there's always time for redemption. 489 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:08,448 It's never too late to do the right thing. 490 00:26:08,517 --> 00:26:11,965 But you need to give a full confession of what you've done. 491 00:26:11,965 --> 00:26:16,000 [Beth] Michael and Natalia both want some kind of closure. 492 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,344 This was an important confrontation, 493 00:26:18,413 --> 00:26:20,103 face-off, meeting, whatever. 494 00:26:20,793 --> 00:26:22,965 Michael is still making excuses, 495 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,620 instead of taking responsibility himself for some of the abuse. 496 00:26:27,344 --> 00:26:29,862 And time is running out. 497 00:26:29,862 --> 00:26:32,827 I've had nightmares about this stuff. 498 00:26:33,103 --> 00:26:34,137 [sighs] 499 00:26:34,137 --> 00:26:35,310 [Natalia] I want it to stop. 500 00:26:35,896 --> 00:26:38,965 And I want a full apology. 501 00:26:47,586 --> 00:26:48,655 [Michael sighs] 502 00:26:48,655 --> 00:26:53,517 Did you ever think how it would affect me? 503 00:26:55,241 --> 00:26:56,896 You remember your cross that's got the-- the-- 504 00:26:56,896 --> 00:26:59,241 your little name "Grace" on it that we used to have? 505 00:27:00,758 --> 00:27:01,896 [crying] Yeah. 506 00:27:01,896 --> 00:27:05,448 I have like, six things left from my old life, 507 00:27:05,517 --> 00:27:06,896 that's one of 'em. 508 00:27:06,896 --> 00:27:08,482 It's hanging up on the wall in the middle of the living room. 509 00:27:08,482 --> 00:27:09,862 So, yes, I think about it. 510 00:27:09,862 --> 00:27:13,034 And I think about all the time... [crying softly] 511 00:27:13,034 --> 00:27:14,137 The cross with your name on it 512 00:27:14,137 --> 00:27:15,896 is positioned in a, in a spot in my living room 513 00:27:15,896 --> 00:27:17,517 where I have to see it. 514 00:27:18,689 --> 00:27:21,655 I've never tried to forget Natalia in general. 515 00:27:22,551 --> 00:27:24,896 Natalia deserves to not be forgotten. 516 00:27:24,896 --> 00:27:26,551 Yes, I think of it. 517 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,586 And I beat myself up over it all the time 518 00:27:30,586 --> 00:27:32,655 for not being stronger. 519 00:27:34,965 --> 00:27:37,448 I could've easily killed myself 520 00:27:37,448 --> 00:27:39,310 ten times in the last year alone. 521 00:27:41,379 --> 00:27:42,413 [sighs] 522 00:27:48,586 --> 00:27:49,551 [Natalia] And... 523 00:27:50,689 --> 00:27:51,758 I hate... 524 00:27:53,793 --> 00:27:56,172 the things that they've had to go through. 525 00:27:58,896 --> 00:27:59,931 [sniffles] 526 00:28:16,896 --> 00:28:18,206 [Michael] They're gonna be gone forever. 527 00:28:21,758 --> 00:28:23,172 I need a... I need a miracle. 528 00:28:24,689 --> 00:28:25,655 I... I need... 529 00:28:25,655 --> 00:28:27,034 I... I need a miracle. 530 00:28:27,551 --> 00:28:28,551 [sniffles] 531 00:28:33,551 --> 00:28:35,241 And I just want everyone... 532 00:28:35,793 --> 00:28:38,241 to find some peace in that. 533 00:28:39,275 --> 00:28:41,758 Being so terrified of... 534 00:28:43,758 --> 00:28:45,068 what she'll do next. 535 00:28:45,482 --> 00:28:46,689 [sniffles] 536 00:28:46,689 --> 00:28:49,068 Are you sorry? 537 00:28:49,068 --> 00:28:52,655 -Yeah. -Are you sorry about what she did to me? 538 00:28:53,068 --> 00:28:54,068 [sniffles] 539 00:28:55,379 --> 00:28:58,655 I'm overly sorry about what she did to you. 540 00:28:58,655 --> 00:29:01,413 I am horrified by what she has done to you. [sniffles] 541 00:29:01,896 --> 00:29:03,448 I am sorry I wasn't stronger 542 00:29:03,448 --> 00:29:05,551 and didn't stop her. I... 543 00:29:05,551 --> 00:29:06,862 [sobbing] 544 00:29:06,862 --> 00:29:08,068 [Michael] I wasn't... 545 00:29:08,275 --> 00:29:09,241 I... 546 00:29:09,241 --> 00:29:10,965 I just wasn't. 547 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,241 I don't think I'm strong enough now to do it. 548 00:29:14,275 --> 00:29:16,241 But I'm doin' it anyway. 549 00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:19,241 'Cause the truth deserves to be told complete. 550 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:20,758 Not a little snippet. 551 00:29:20,758 --> 00:29:22,724 Here's everything. 552 00:29:25,586 --> 00:29:26,551 [sobbing] 553 00:29:37,379 --> 00:29:38,344 [Natalia] Michael... 554 00:29:41,793 --> 00:29:42,931 I forgive you. 555 00:29:48,172 --> 00:29:49,206 You don't have to. 556 00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:50,931 I don't forgive me. 557 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,448 I just couldn't. 558 00:29:57,448 --> 00:29:59,620 I just couldn't. I just couldn't. 559 00:30:00,758 --> 00:30:01,758 [sobbing] 560 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,965 Michael. 561 00:30:03,448 --> 00:30:04,379 [Michael] I... [sniffles] 562 00:30:04,379 --> 00:30:06,344 -Michael. -I should've stopped her. 563 00:30:06,344 --> 00:30:08,344 [Natalia] Michael. Look at me. 564 00:30:11,379 --> 00:30:12,655 I forgive you. 565 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,965 [Michael sniffles] 566 00:30:20,379 --> 00:30:21,551 -Please? -Sure. 567 00:30:22,103 --> 00:30:23,103 [sniffling] 568 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,241 In the name of Jesus, 569 00:30:31,758 --> 00:30:33,241 thank you for protecting me. 570 00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:36,586 Thank you for giving him a second chance. 571 00:30:36,586 --> 00:30:39,620 Thank you for saving him from the pills that he took. 572 00:30:40,103 --> 00:30:41,448 Thank you, Lord Jesus. 573 00:30:42,379 --> 00:30:44,137 All that you've done, Lord Jesus, 574 00:30:44,137 --> 00:30:46,448 'cause we know that you have a plan for him. 575 00:30:47,896 --> 00:30:51,137 I just pray, Lord Jesus, that you would just touch his heart. 576 00:30:51,137 --> 00:30:53,275 Please. God, I just pray to... 577 00:30:53,275 --> 00:30:54,655 [sniffles] 578 00:30:54,724 --> 00:30:56,103 ...give him a new mindset. 579 00:30:56,103 --> 00:30:57,448 Give him a new heart. 580 00:30:58,379 --> 00:31:00,827 He can be stronger than this. 581 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,551 I pray... [sniffles] 582 00:31:04,448 --> 00:31:07,551 He can be better than who he is. 583 00:31:08,241 --> 00:31:10,482 God, I just pray that you would just... 584 00:31:10,482 --> 00:31:12,517 -just help him, Lord Jesus. -[Michael sobbing] 585 00:31:14,689 --> 00:31:15,965 Please just help him. 586 00:31:16,793 --> 00:31:17,758 Please. 587 00:31:18,482 --> 00:31:20,103 Lord Jesus in Eden. 588 00:31:23,551 --> 00:31:24,551 Thank you. 589 00:31:26,655 --> 00:31:28,000 This is how we get free. 590 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,827 [Natalia] I just want you to know something else. 591 00:31:38,103 --> 00:31:40,655 It was not easy to forgive you. 592 00:31:45,137 --> 00:31:46,172 It wasn't. 593 00:31:47,034 --> 00:31:48,068 That... 594 00:31:48,068 --> 00:31:49,862 That is a really powerful scene. 595 00:31:49,931 --> 00:31:52,000 I mean, the... I think the tears are real. 596 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,655 I think this is what each side was hoping for, 597 00:31:54,655 --> 00:31:56,862 forgiveness and an apology. 598 00:31:58,758 --> 00:31:59,862 But... 599 00:31:59,862 --> 00:32:01,689 One of the unresolved issues 600 00:32:01,689 --> 00:32:04,655 is that Natalia wants to know why she was re-aged. 601 00:32:07,586 --> 00:32:10,000 It's still so painful for her. 602 00:32:10,793 --> 00:32:12,655 But it's one area 603 00:32:12,724 --> 00:32:15,068 that Michael says is completely off limits. 604 00:32:17,896 --> 00:32:18,862 So... 605 00:32:18,931 --> 00:32:21,551 Did Natalia really forgive him? 606 00:32:22,655 --> 00:32:25,034 Or is it a ruse to get information 607 00:32:25,034 --> 00:32:27,103 for a possible civil suit 608 00:32:27,103 --> 00:32:28,241 and trial down the road? 609 00:32:36,034 --> 00:32:37,034 [Michael sighs] 610 00:32:39,172 --> 00:32:40,448 This was hard. 611 00:32:42,862 --> 00:32:43,862 But... 612 00:32:44,793 --> 00:32:46,448 I'm willing to do it. 613 00:32:47,482 --> 00:32:50,137 'Cause everybody deserves a second chance. 614 00:32:50,137 --> 00:32:52,344 Everybody deserves a time... 615 00:32:52,344 --> 00:32:54,241 to admit their faults and be forgiven. 616 00:32:56,482 --> 00:32:57,517 I appreciate that. 617 00:32:58,896 --> 00:33:02,172 I hope you have nothing but a happy existence 618 00:33:02,172 --> 00:33:03,758 and it seems like you have that. 619 00:33:04,103 --> 00:33:05,103 I am okay. 620 00:33:05,551 --> 00:33:06,965 I'm glad you're okay. 621 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,172 Ever since I met my parents, 622 00:33:09,172 --> 00:33:12,000 they let me have the childhood that I needed. 623 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,655 They're the ones that got me through 624 00:33:13,655 --> 00:33:15,000 the things that I went through. 625 00:33:15,482 --> 00:33:17,758 And I pray that... 626 00:33:18,344 --> 00:33:19,724 your life gets easier too. 627 00:33:24,896 --> 00:33:26,241 Gotta do this... 628 00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:27,155 I can't bend. 629 00:33:27,155 --> 00:33:28,000 -I can't put my... -I know you can't. 630 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,551 Or we... We can just... Watch this. 631 00:33:29,551 --> 00:33:31,241 Do that and then we're in here, 632 00:33:31,241 --> 00:33:32,344 and then we're there. 633 00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:33,862 And I'll slap that for ya. 634 00:33:33,931 --> 00:33:35,137 [chuckles] Thanks. 635 00:33:36,379 --> 00:33:39,655 At first, like, I was very upset with him and, you know, 636 00:33:39,724 --> 00:33:41,758 it was just very hard to be able to forgive Michael. 637 00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:44,000 And honestly, I wish I could've been able to talk to him more 638 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,172 about the re-aging. 639 00:33:45,896 --> 00:33:47,068 But at the end of the day... 640 00:33:47,758 --> 00:33:49,586 he apologized. 641 00:33:49,586 --> 00:33:51,655 Everybody deserves peace in their life. 642 00:33:53,586 --> 00:33:55,448 [Michael] It's extremely nice to know 643 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,551 that there is... 644 00:33:57,551 --> 00:34:02,068 no mental daggers coming from her side to me. 645 00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:04,241 [sighs] 646 00:34:06,551 --> 00:34:07,551 Forgiveness is good. 647 00:34:08,862 --> 00:34:10,172 Forgiveness wipes it all away. 648 00:34:13,275 --> 00:34:14,241 All right. 649 00:34:19,585 --> 00:34:22,620 [rock song playing indistinctly] 650 00:34:23,965 --> 00:34:28,344 ♪ Until you care about 651 00:34:28,344 --> 00:34:30,344 ♪ Care about 652 00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:33,310 ♪ You care about 653 00:34:33,688 --> 00:34:35,585 ♪ Care about 654 00:34:35,585 --> 00:34:37,551 [music recedes] 655 00:34:51,896 --> 00:34:54,068 [chuckling] 656 00:34:54,068 --> 00:34:56,757 It's my adoption day and I'm so excited. 657 00:34:57,655 --> 00:34:58,655 Um... 658 00:34:59,689 --> 00:35:02,172 It's been a long time coming. 659 00:35:02,862 --> 00:35:03,965 This... 660 00:35:03,965 --> 00:35:05,241 is my adoption board. 661 00:35:05,896 --> 00:35:07,241 Let's do a countdown. 662 00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:08,241 [laughs] It's great. 663 00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:10,172 I mean, I'm at 0 days. 664 00:35:11,034 --> 00:35:12,034 [giggling] 665 00:35:12,379 --> 00:35:13,413 It's official. 666 00:35:15,586 --> 00:35:18,344 It has been a really long journey. 667 00:35:18,586 --> 00:35:19,551 [grunts] 668 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,241 I have always wondered 669 00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:23,482 if I would ever be able to... 670 00:35:23,482 --> 00:35:25,413 find someone that would actually love me. 671 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000 But then I met my parents and... 672 00:35:29,655 --> 00:35:31,758 it's been different ever since. 673 00:35:31,827 --> 00:35:33,137 It's been a good different. 674 00:35:35,482 --> 00:35:37,758 This is the day that I close the door on the Barnetts 675 00:35:37,827 --> 00:35:39,034 and never open it again. 676 00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:46,103 I was the girl who came from Ukraine 677 00:35:46,103 --> 00:35:48,448 and a lot of stuff happened... 678 00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:50,931 that I wish didn't. 679 00:35:51,689 --> 00:35:56,000 But, I just want people to remember me as... 680 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,241 someone who was able to overcome 681 00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:59,551 what they went through. 682 00:35:59,620 --> 00:36:03,758 I was able to still move on and just grow. 683 00:36:08,241 --> 00:36:09,758 All right. Up the ramp we go. 684 00:36:09,758 --> 00:36:10,793 [Cynthia] It's adoption-- 685 00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:11,689 -[Antwon] It's adoption time. -[Natalia] Okay. 686 00:36:11,689 --> 00:36:12,965 [Cynthia] Adoption day. 687 00:36:15,758 --> 00:36:17,172 You ready to make this official? 688 00:36:17,172 --> 00:36:19,137 I'm very ready to make this official. 689 00:36:19,137 --> 00:36:20,758 -Yes. -Are you sure you wanna do this? 690 00:36:20,827 --> 00:36:22,862 -Because you're stuck with us. -Yeah. 691 00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:23,896 -Yes. -You know what? 692 00:36:23,896 --> 00:36:25,862 Y'all stuck with me, so... 693 00:36:25,931 --> 00:36:27,241 -Yeah. [chuckling] -We appreciate that. 694 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:28,120 Yes. 695 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,344 -I love y'all so much. -All right. 696 00:36:29,344 --> 00:36:31,862 -Let's go do this, baby. -Let's do this. 697 00:36:31,862 --> 00:36:33,758 -[Cynthia] Come on. - [Antwon] Let me get the door. 698 00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:36,551 Oh, my gosh. 699 00:36:39,586 --> 00:36:40,551 I'm about to be adopted. 700 00:36:42,896 --> 00:36:43,931 Oh, my gosh. 701 00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:46,034 This is matter of the adoption 702 00:36:46,034 --> 00:36:48,137 of Natalia Grace Barnett. 703 00:36:50,172 --> 00:36:51,965 Natalia, can you raise your right hand to be sworn? 704 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,379 Do you swear or affirm the testimony 705 00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:54,965 you're about to give us the truth, the whole truth, 706 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,982 and nothing but the truth? 707 00:36:55,982 --> 00:36:57,517 -I do. -[Judge Barajas] You may be seated. 708 00:36:59,103 --> 00:37:00,862 Trusting is not easy. 709 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,620 Especially when you've been hurt. 710 00:37:05,103 --> 00:37:06,275 But... 711 00:37:06,275 --> 00:37:09,620 being adopted is... is an awesome thing. 712 00:37:10,172 --> 00:37:11,172 It really is. 713 00:37:11,172 --> 00:37:14,000 Especially when you find that perfect family. 714 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,241 You understand adoption is supposed to be forever. 715 00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:18,586 -Yes. -[Peter] Okay. Do you wish 716 00:37:18,586 --> 00:37:20,068 that this adoption be forever 717 00:37:20,068 --> 00:37:22,965 -as you sit here in court today? -Yes, I do. 718 00:37:22,965 --> 00:37:25,689 Okay. So there's a discrepancy in your legal age 719 00:37:25,689 --> 00:37:27,137 and your biological age. 720 00:37:27,137 --> 00:37:28,758 Can you explain that to me? 721 00:37:28,758 --> 00:37:33,551 Um, the adopted family that was before, they changed my age. 722 00:37:34,379 --> 00:37:36,965 Uh, they was trying to claim that I was an adult 723 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,551 even though I wasn't. 724 00:37:38,551 --> 00:37:41,655 [Judge Barajas] Okay. So legally you are 33 years of age. 725 00:37:41,724 --> 00:37:42,758 Yes. 726 00:37:42,758 --> 00:37:43,965 [Judge Barajas] Okay. So you're born in Ukraine. 727 00:37:43,965 --> 00:37:45,965 And what date does that show that you were born? 728 00:37:46,551 --> 00:37:48,241 September 4th, 2003. 729 00:37:53,344 --> 00:37:54,689 Okay, so either way you're an adult. 730 00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:57,241 You're either 19 years old or some other number. 731 00:37:57,241 --> 00:37:59,068 -Yes. -Okay. You may sit down. 732 00:37:59,689 --> 00:38:01,068 [speaking indistinctly] 733 00:38:06,344 --> 00:38:08,896 [Judge Barajas] The court will find that Natalia Grace Barnett 734 00:38:08,896 --> 00:38:11,413 consents to the adoption in open court today. 735 00:38:12,862 --> 00:38:14,344 And that the petition should be granted 736 00:38:14,413 --> 00:38:15,862 that the adult's name 737 00:38:15,862 --> 00:38:18,517 should be changed to Natalia Grace Rene Mans. 738 00:38:19,758 --> 00:38:20,758 And that the petitioners 739 00:38:20,827 --> 00:38:23,689 Antwon Cori Mans and Cynthia Marie Rene Mans 740 00:38:23,689 --> 00:38:26,344 from this day forward shall be known as her parents. 741 00:38:28,551 --> 00:38:30,344 [squealing, giggling] 742 00:38:37,344 --> 00:38:38,862 [Natalia] I love you. 743 00:38:39,586 --> 00:38:40,551 [laughs] 744 00:38:42,965 --> 00:38:44,068 Daddy. 745 00:38:49,379 --> 00:38:50,655 [sobbing] 746 00:38:57,965 --> 00:38:59,241 Finally being adopted... 747 00:39:00,241 --> 00:39:03,793 to my family who has loved me 748 00:39:03,793 --> 00:39:06,137 and gone through every roadblock 749 00:39:06,137 --> 00:39:08,965 and every stepping stone... 750 00:39:09,655 --> 00:39:11,448 and never gave up on me 751 00:39:11,448 --> 00:39:14,241 is the greatest feeling in the world to me. 752 00:39:14,862 --> 00:39:16,586 Oh, my gosh. I love you. 753 00:39:16,586 --> 00:39:19,034 That's literally, like, the happiest moment 754 00:39:19,034 --> 00:39:20,758 of my entire life. 755 00:39:21,862 --> 00:39:23,862 [Cynthia] I am the mommy. 756 00:39:23,931 --> 00:39:26,034 -I am the mommy. [laughing] -[Antwon] Come on, buddy. 757 00:39:26,034 --> 00:39:28,172 Oh, my gosh. It's official. 758 00:39:28,172 --> 00:39:31,448 I have the adoption decree right here. 759 00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:33,758 It's official! 760 00:39:40,448 --> 00:39:41,655 [laughing] 761 00:39:44,896 --> 00:39:46,896 My life, ever since I was really little, 762 00:39:46,896 --> 00:39:49,551 I felt like, uh, written out for me. 763 00:39:49,551 --> 00:39:52,655 Just like a crazy, curious story 764 00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:55,000 of just, like, many twists and turns. 765 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,344 And I had no control over that. 766 00:40:01,448 --> 00:40:03,448 I had to learn a lot of life lessons 767 00:40:03,448 --> 00:40:04,448 at a early age. 768 00:40:05,586 --> 00:40:08,896 But I will forever embrace my past 769 00:40:08,896 --> 00:40:11,448 because I feel like it made me stronger. 770 00:40:15,896 --> 00:40:18,655 I just wanna stay focused on now 771 00:40:18,724 --> 00:40:20,448 'cause I have a lot of big plans for my life. 772 00:40:24,275 --> 00:40:25,448 I'm gonna get my age changed 773 00:40:25,517 --> 00:40:27,103 back to the way it's supposed to be. 774 00:40:27,103 --> 00:40:29,655 Go to school, get my high school diploma. 775 00:40:29,724 --> 00:40:31,310 This is a new chapter... 776 00:40:31,689 --> 00:40:33,137 in the story... 777 00:40:33,137 --> 00:40:37,172 with just endless possibilities. 778 00:40:39,103 --> 00:40:42,103 Book two is about to be written by me 779 00:40:42,103 --> 00:40:45,275 and that book is gonna be an amazing book. 780 00:40:45,275 --> 00:40:46,827 I already know. [laughs] 781 00:40:55,379 --> 00:40:57,862 [intense music playing] 782 00:41:32,689 --> 00:41:33,586 [Cynthia] Yeah.