1 00:00:07,900 --> 00:00:11,000 [music playing] 2 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,200 Every lie, there is a truth that always comes to light. 3 00:00:27,830 --> 00:00:29,730 Like, there'll not be anything said in the darkness 4 00:00:29,770 --> 00:00:31,670 that I will not shout from the rooftops 5 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:33,370 and the mountaintops in the light. 6 00:00:35,030 --> 00:00:36,800 [Natalia] But you wanna know something else, though? 7 00:00:38,170 --> 00:00:40,170 Admitting those is a whole other story. 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,270 I know it's not easy. 9 00:00:43,270 --> 00:00:44,800 But that's what sets us free. 10 00:00:48,070 --> 00:00:50,570 I have been on a roller coaster 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,700 with this case, right? 12 00:00:51,730 --> 00:00:54,330 I had been up and down, one side, the other side, 13 00:00:54,370 --> 00:00:57,470 seeing things from both sides, 14 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:00,770 trying to figure out who is telling the truth. 15 00:01:01,530 --> 00:01:03,170 Is Michael lying? 16 00:01:03,570 --> 00:01:05,400 Is Natalia lying? 17 00:01:05,430 --> 00:01:09,170 Or maybe they are both victims of the same monster. 18 00:01:15,630 --> 00:01:17,000 [exhales] 19 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:19,070 I didn't do anything wrong. I know I didn't do anything wrong. 20 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:22,070 I have a jury that has affirmed that I didn't do anything wrong. 21 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:25,970 I'm not hiding. I... I'm not criminal. 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,530 Uh, I'm not ashamed. 23 00:01:34,970 --> 00:01:37,370 I'm not gonna listen to it. I'll hit play. 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,830 I'll hold it up and show it to you. 25 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:44,630 So, it truly doesn't affect me 26 00:01:44,670 --> 00:01:48,000 what Kristine tells random people in the public about me. 27 00:01:51,970 --> 00:01:54,600 Kristine told me in a series of messages 28 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:57,729 Natalia ruined her life in so many ways. 29 00:01:57,770 --> 00:01:59,500 Kristine basically said that... 30 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,730 Natalia started [bleep] her husband. 31 00:02:03,370 --> 00:02:06,530 She had either caught Natalia 32 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:08,630 -having sex with her husband... -Say what? 33 00:02:08,669 --> 00:02:10,199 ...or became aware of it. 34 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:13,200 -And then apparently, Natalia also tried to... -[Natalia] Are you serious? 35 00:02:13,230 --> 00:02:17,130 ... [bleep] one of the neighbors' husbands or one of the neighbors. 36 00:02:17,170 --> 00:02:19,300 -Wait. Hold on. -[Freddie] I specifically remember Kristine 37 00:02:19,329 --> 00:02:23,530 just telling me how heartbroken she was over the situation with Natalia 38 00:02:23,570 --> 00:02:24,829 sleeping with her husband. 39 00:02:24,870 --> 00:02:27,100 No! Are you crazy? 40 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:29,430 That is a total lie. 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,070 So to answer... to simply say it on camera. 42 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:37,130 Absolutely not. I have never at all... 43 00:02:37,170 --> 00:02:38,630 touched Natalia in an inappropriate way. 44 00:02:38,670 --> 00:02:41,130 I have never had any kind of sexual relations with Natalia. 45 00:02:41,170 --> 00:02:43,470 Unequivocally, absolutely, 46 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:46,930 One hundred percent, hell... no. 47 00:02:49,030 --> 00:02:52,100 At the same time... that's Kristine. 48 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:56,230 She will make up whatever crazy loud lie she can 49 00:02:56,270 --> 00:02:58,800 and if you don't believe her, then she'll take it up a notch. 50 00:03:01,930 --> 00:03:05,230 Michael really wants some resolution 51 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:08,070 in his one-on-one with Natalia. 52 00:03:09,070 --> 00:03:12,330 But he also wants her to believe and understand 53 00:03:12,370 --> 00:03:15,200 that he was victimized by Kristine too. 54 00:03:16,230 --> 00:03:18,270 Natalia wants answers 55 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:20,630 and she wants justice. 56 00:03:20,670 --> 00:03:23,600 The Barnetts think that it's over, but it's not. 57 00:03:23,630 --> 00:03:25,470 It is far from over. 58 00:03:26,829 --> 00:03:29,530 [Beth] And maybe they both still need to come clean 59 00:03:29,570 --> 00:03:31,400 because maybe... 60 00:03:31,430 --> 00:03:33,870 everybody is hiding something. 61 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:47,400 [sniffles, sighs] 62 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,030 If the truth does set us free, 63 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:55,930 and we have told as much truth as we can, have we not? 64 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,829 Hopefully, me showing up here... 65 00:03:58,870 --> 00:04:02,700 should let you know I harbor no ill will for anything. 66 00:04:02,730 --> 00:04:04,530 I'm not trying to hide from anything. 67 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:10,630 [sighs] 68 00:04:11,730 --> 00:04:15,030 Did you know she pepper-sprayed me? 69 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:17,930 I learned that... 70 00:04:19,930 --> 00:04:21,430 about a year ago. 71 00:04:22,970 --> 00:04:24,930 -[Natalia] Do you know-- -Jacob told me. 72 00:04:24,970 --> 00:04:26,670 Do you know how many times she did it? 73 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:28,370 [Michael] Jacob told me once. 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,600 Granted, Jacob wasn't going to be around every second of the day. 75 00:04:32,330 --> 00:04:33,470 It was twice. 76 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:35,570 I can remember her getting a can of the pepper spray. 77 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,770 I remember her having it on her keys. 78 00:04:38,670 --> 00:04:41,200 -[sighs] -[Natalia] The first time she did it, 79 00:04:41,230 --> 00:04:44,070 it was just to show me what it was gonna be like. 80 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:47,030 -I remember she took me to the back porch. -[exhales] 81 00:04:47,070 --> 00:04:49,800 [sniffles] She told me to keep my eyes open. 82 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:51,700 And the first time, I closed 'em 83 00:04:51,730 --> 00:04:53,600 right as she was spraying, and she got mad 84 00:04:53,630 --> 00:04:56,630 and was like, "You need to keep your eyes open." 85 00:04:56,670 --> 00:05:00,400 [Michael] You know what? It's just too bad nobody ever got to show her. 86 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:02,530 'Cause, you know, if you have to know what it's gonna be like, 87 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:04,170 doesn't she need to know what it's gonna be like? 88 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:13,530 [voice shaking] And after she did it, 89 00:05:13,570 --> 00:05:15,170 she wouldn't even let me clean my eyes 90 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,830 for like five minutes. 91 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:19,970 And I remember crying. 92 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:22,430 [sobbing] She wouldn't help me. 93 00:05:24,570 --> 00:05:25,830 [sniffles] 94 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:27,930 The second time she did it, 95 00:05:27,970 --> 00:05:30,130 it was actually at Jacob's school. 96 00:05:30,170 --> 00:05:32,630 -All because I was walking too slow. -[Michael sighs] 97 00:05:36,330 --> 00:05:37,830 [sobbing] 98 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,030 [Natalia continues sobbing] 99 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:46,170 I don't know nothing about statutes of limitations or anything but... 100 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,600 [sighs wearily] that sounds like [beeping] to me. 101 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:58,100 [Natalia] Did you know that she pepper-sprayed me? 102 00:05:58,130 --> 00:06:02,570 [Michael] I learned that... about a year ago. 103 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,400 Wait a second, the pepper spray? Okay. No, no. 104 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:07,870 He didn't just learn about it. 105 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:10,930 He told us in 2022 in an interview 106 00:06:10,970 --> 00:06:13,870 that Kristine told him about it at the time. 107 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:16,670 [Michael] Natalia wasn't telling her who she was, 108 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:19,070 so Kristine told me, one day I came home from work, 109 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:20,970 that she tried something new. 110 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,230 We had a pink... 111 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:26,230 cannister of pepper spray that was on Kristine's keys. 112 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:30,670 "Tell me who you are... 113 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:33,900 or I'm gonna spray you in the face with this." 114 00:06:33,930 --> 00:06:35,270 No, I don't think he just learned about it 115 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:37,900 because he told us he knew about it in 2022. 116 00:06:37,930 --> 00:06:40,130 Kristine's telling me this happily and proudly 117 00:06:40,170 --> 00:06:42,300 like it's no big deal. 118 00:06:42,330 --> 00:06:44,030 "Michael, I... 119 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:45,730 I even tried pepper-spraying her today. 120 00:06:45,770 --> 00:06:48,330 She still won't admit the truth." 121 00:06:48,370 --> 00:06:52,200 Michael needs to admit to Natalia that he knew about it. 122 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:54,700 You can't tell her you just learned about it 123 00:06:54,730 --> 00:06:58,500 when you told us and it's recorded. 124 00:06:59,570 --> 00:07:01,900 Just admit it. 125 00:07:01,930 --> 00:07:05,470 It hurt, you know, the fact that... [sniffles] 126 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:10,430 the fact that she just did it, like, just to do it. 127 00:07:10,470 --> 00:07:13,600 That first time was... and I didn't want her to do it. 128 00:07:13,630 --> 00:07:16,470 Like, I told her, you know, I don't want to do it. [sniffles] 129 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:19,500 And she did it the first time and I closed my eyes 130 00:07:19,530 --> 00:07:22,670 before it got in my eyes and she told me to keep... 131 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:25,430 Kristine told me to keep my eyes open. 132 00:07:25,470 --> 00:07:29,200 It hurt so much and the fact that she didn't care 133 00:07:29,230 --> 00:07:31,300 was the worst part of it. 134 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:37,170 Looking back and talking to Natalia and... 135 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,800 reflecting and asking her if anything had happened in the Barnett home, 136 00:07:40,830 --> 00:07:43,600 um, physical abuse, she didn't say anything. 137 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:46,600 What Natalia is saying in this video clip... 138 00:07:46,630 --> 00:07:48,200 I had never heard that before. 139 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:50,330 She never said anything. 140 00:07:50,370 --> 00:07:51,870 And knowing what I know 141 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:54,200 with my experience in interviewing children 142 00:07:54,230 --> 00:07:55,770 and working with families over the years, 143 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,730 it doesn't surprise me that she didn't say anything. 144 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:59,300 [crying] 145 00:07:59,330 --> 00:08:01,870 [Sheriff Bob] There's some trauma there. 146 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:03,770 What they did... 147 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,800 that's not love. 148 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:06,870 Not even close. 149 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,570 That's hate. 150 00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:14,430 What are the things that Kristine made up? 151 00:08:14,470 --> 00:08:15,700 [Michael] Um... 152 00:08:17,630 --> 00:08:20,170 I... so many things. 153 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,330 What did she make up about me? 154 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:25,130 You were going to kill everybody. 155 00:08:26,370 --> 00:08:28,800 You were gonna kill her, you were gonna kill the boys. 156 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,800 And again, I don't wanna talk. 157 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:33,169 I don't wanna... I don't wanna go down this road. 158 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,830 [Natalia] Kristine is the one that told me 159 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:38,000 to tell them that I wanted to hurt you guys, 160 00:08:38,030 --> 00:08:40,600 that I wanted to... poison Kristine, 161 00:08:40,630 --> 00:08:43,970 that I wanted to... just... that I was hiding knives. 162 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,670 What is that story even? 163 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:46,930 What was what story? 164 00:08:46,970 --> 00:08:48,670 -Hiding knives? -[Natalia] Yeah. 165 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,300 I was never alone. 166 00:08:51,330 --> 00:08:53,900 What is that story about? 167 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:55,670 I would come home from work. There was a couple of times, 168 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:57,100 during a period of time, that Kristine said 169 00:08:57,130 --> 00:08:58,670 she found knives under your bed. 170 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:00,600 There was one time that I... 171 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:02,430 found a knife under your bed. 172 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:05,130 And there was one time you were holding a knife in our bedroom. 173 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:06,870 That's what that's about. 174 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,300 I was never in y'all's room with a knife. 175 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:17,900 I remember you being in there. 176 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:21,270 I couldn't even look at over y'all's bed. 177 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:23,370 I barely even climbed over it. 178 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,400 I understand that. That doesn't change the fact 179 00:09:25,430 --> 00:09:28,130 that you were in the room holding the knife that direction. 180 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:32,600 [Natalia] Michael... 181 00:09:33,630 --> 00:09:35,670 I remember... 182 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:38,070 the knives were always put up where I couldn't even reach 'em. 183 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:40,100 I would've had to drag a chair. Y'all would've heard me. 184 00:09:41,970 --> 00:09:43,870 And I was never alone. 185 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,430 Kristine was always there, 186 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:49,100 -so how could I have got 'em? -[Michael] I don't know. 187 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:53,400 There was a night, you were standing 188 00:09:53,430 --> 00:09:56,300 not the very foot of the bed, but, like, six, seven, eight feet back... 189 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,630 holding a medium-size knife. 190 00:09:59,670 --> 00:10:01,570 And there was one time I found one under your bed. 191 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,900 Now, were there things going on that was... 192 00:10:04,730 --> 00:10:07,100 making it really hard for you to keep... 193 00:10:07,130 --> 00:10:10,370 things straight? Maybe, but I remember that. 194 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,770 I couldn't even reach that fridge even with a chair. 195 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,270 So how could I have got them? 196 00:10:14,300 --> 00:10:16,470 I don't know how. I know what I saw. 197 00:10:18,130 --> 00:10:21,730 I was never alone. Kristine was always there. 198 00:10:22,970 --> 00:10:25,700 And yet I remember seeing that. 199 00:10:32,830 --> 00:10:35,700 [Michael] It's okay, we don't have to focus on that. 200 00:10:35,730 --> 00:10:37,170 [Beth] I don't know what the truth is. 201 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,270 But at the beginning of this face-off 202 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:42,970 between Natalia and Michael, 203 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,770 you look at her body language, right? 204 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,900 She is, like, not happy and is like "Okay, what do you got? 205 00:10:48,930 --> 00:10:51,600 But Michael sounds pretty truthful. 206 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:53,230 I know what I saw. 207 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:54,530 [Beth] Michael seems pretty credible. 208 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:58,700 And then Natalia starts to relax her posture. 209 00:10:58,730 --> 00:11:00,800 So if you're reading her body language, 210 00:11:00,830 --> 00:11:04,300 one has to wonder. Does Natalia remember everything... 211 00:11:04,830 --> 00:11:06,130 back in those days? 212 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:17,270 [interviewer] Mmm-hmm. 213 00:11:21,370 --> 00:11:22,630 [interviewer] Tell me about that. 214 00:11:27,830 --> 00:11:29,600 [interviewer] Well, what was happening with the knife? 215 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:45,570 [Beth] Was Natalia a dangerous person? 216 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,200 Did she or didn't she hold a knife 217 00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:51,700 at the end of their bed? 218 00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:54,970 And why did so many other people 219 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,700 report that Natalia was violent 220 00:11:57,740 --> 00:12:00,270 and acted out sexually? 221 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:03,000 It is one of those unanswered questions in this case. 222 00:12:06,130 --> 00:12:07,700 [Terrance] Every family she's been with 223 00:12:07,740 --> 00:12:11,600 has given the identical story of her behavior. 224 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:14,670 And that story is, "Natalia harmed 225 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,670 one of our family members." 226 00:12:18,030 --> 00:12:19,530 There is a pattern here. 227 00:12:19,570 --> 00:12:22,270 And the Barnetts experienced this pattern. 228 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:26,000 That raises questions. 229 00:12:30,170 --> 00:12:31,930 [Beth] After hearing about the way Natalia... 230 00:12:31,970 --> 00:12:34,170 Natalia was treated inside the Barnett home, 231 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,530 all the beatings, 232 00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:40,330 it sheds a different light on these allegations 233 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:42,900 that Natalia was hoarding knives 234 00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:44,700 and putting them under her bed, if she ever was. 235 00:12:44,740 --> 00:12:46,530 Because maybe, 236 00:12:46,570 --> 00:12:49,170 she had these knives for self-defense. 237 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,000 And also, 238 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:54,330 there is another explanation for Natalia's behavior. 239 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:57,430 In 2010, Natalia was diagnosed 240 00:12:57,470 --> 00:13:00,200 with reactive attachment disorder. 241 00:13:00,230 --> 00:13:02,030 And that's a diagnosis 242 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:04,840 though, apparently, it's kinda common with orphans. 243 00:13:05,530 --> 00:13:08,170 Maybe international orphans too. 244 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,200 Reactive attachment disorder is a rare condition 245 00:13:11,230 --> 00:13:13,130 that prevents children from bonding 246 00:13:13,170 --> 00:13:14,570 with their family members. 247 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,430 And the number one cause is trauma. 248 00:13:19,630 --> 00:13:23,270 [Nicole] I think that Natalia did have her trauma. 249 00:13:23,740 --> 00:13:24,870 'Cause who wouldn't? 250 00:13:25,870 --> 00:13:28,500 I think that the Barnetts were pushing her daily 251 00:13:28,530 --> 00:13:32,170 to do things that were probably making her 252 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,370 very, very uncomfortable. 253 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,300 I think she was in pain, chronic pain, miserable. 254 00:13:38,330 --> 00:13:40,500 And if she was acting out 255 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:43,070 whether it'd be a knife, whether it'd be whatever, 256 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:48,200 she was a child who was disabled who needed help. 257 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:50,530 [Natalia] Says that I was diagnosed with psychosis, bipolar, 258 00:13:50,570 --> 00:13:53,740 schizophrenia, attachment disorder and mood disorder. 259 00:13:55,230 --> 00:13:57,270 You can ask my parents. 260 00:13:57,300 --> 00:13:59,770 Never once have I showed any signs of bipolar, 261 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,000 and my parents have seen bipolar before. 262 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:05,970 Like, they've seen a whole lot of mental illnesses. 263 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,170 So they know. 264 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:09,330 And they will let you know that 265 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:11,330 I've never showed anything like that. 266 00:14:12,430 --> 00:14:14,400 The reactive attachment disorder, 267 00:14:15,930 --> 00:14:19,300 I can say there probably was a little bit before. 268 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,300 The only thing I had was reactive attachment disorder. 269 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,470 Which is understandable. 270 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:35,970 I've seen so many people that didn't want me. 271 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,670 So, of course, I'mma be scared to get attached to you. 272 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,770 But I'm also scared to get attached to you 273 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,470 because of what you're doing. 274 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:45,330 Why would I wanna get attached to you? 275 00:14:47,330 --> 00:14:50,300 If anything, I wanna get as far away from you as possible. 276 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,130 But I couldn't do that 'cause I was a kid. 277 00:14:56,870 --> 00:15:00,570 And I do remember having some behavior issues 278 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,170 when I first met my parents. 279 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:06,670 When Natalia first got with us, 280 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:10,400 there would be moments that she would just be so broken 281 00:15:10,430 --> 00:15:14,740 and just feel like, "How do I deal with this?" You know? 282 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,030 Wassup? 283 00:15:17,070 --> 00:15:19,740 -[Natalia chuckles] What's up, people? -[child speaking indistinctly] 284 00:15:19,770 --> 00:15:21,700 [Cynthia] Natalia's been with us all these years. 285 00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:24,200 And let me tell you, we have corrected Natalia. 286 00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:26,870 And she's never came at us with a knife 287 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:28,770 or put thumb tacks up on our stairs 288 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,170 or tried to hurt our children. 289 00:15:31,870 --> 00:15:35,740 I was lying all the time, stealing all the time, 290 00:15:36,030 --> 00:15:37,500 I cussed. 291 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:41,800 I probably did say some sexual stuff that I should not have. 292 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,970 Um, they probably remember it more than I do. 293 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:45,840 [chuckles softly] 294 00:15:45,870 --> 00:15:48,400 I'm sorry, Mom and Dad, I'm sorry. 295 00:15:48,430 --> 00:15:50,000 'Cause I didn't know. 296 00:15:50,030 --> 00:15:51,270 I was really little, 297 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:55,200 being exposed to so much stuff that I didn't know was bad. 298 00:15:58,100 --> 00:16:00,430 But I don't like to think about my past. 299 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:12,430 Natalia's been asked about her memories of Ukraine. 300 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:17,530 And we know that survivors of trauma 301 00:16:17,570 --> 00:16:20,270 often block memories as a coping mechanism. 302 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:27,470 [Veronica] She had these traumatic events in her past. 303 00:16:28,270 --> 00:16:32,130 And her childhood was so difficult 304 00:16:32,170 --> 00:16:34,570 and so many sporadic traumas. 305 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:39,930 It doesn't surprise me that Natalia was acting out. 306 00:16:41,330 --> 00:16:45,670 I've always tried to remember certain things. 307 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:46,870 [dog barking] 308 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:49,000 I don't know what happened to me 309 00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:50,770 while I was in the Ukraine. 310 00:16:54,130 --> 00:16:56,030 That is one big part of the puzzle 311 00:16:56,070 --> 00:16:57,770 that has still got a lot of holes in it. 312 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,500 [investigator] All right, so you were in Ukraine 313 00:17:05,530 --> 00:17:07,329 and, and has anybody ever told you 314 00:17:07,369 --> 00:17:09,329 how long you were in the orphanage? 315 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,800 [investigator] You think you were only there for a year. 316 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:22,839 [Natalia] The time I was in the Ukraine in the orphanage, 317 00:17:23,530 --> 00:17:26,599 there's a lot of fuzziness with it. 318 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:29,530 One thing I do remember though, 319 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,270 I remember, I-- 320 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:34,030 It might've been like a foster family 321 00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:35,370 or like a mom. 322 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:40,700 Like, I remember being there 323 00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:44,130 for honestly, I don't even know how long. 324 00:17:44,170 --> 00:17:45,740 Like, I just remember waking up 325 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:47,570 and it was totally different. 326 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,670 I don't know how I got there. 327 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:51,670 I don't know what happened. 328 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:54,930 And I don't remember how I came to the United States. 329 00:17:54,970 --> 00:17:58,930 Like, that whole thing is just blank. 330 00:18:01,370 --> 00:18:03,530 There's still a lot of mystery that, uh, 331 00:18:03,570 --> 00:18:06,400 surrounds Natalia's adoption in Ukraine. 332 00:18:08,930 --> 00:18:12,170 And the records that were lost 333 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,070 in a sewer incident at the hospital 334 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:16,330 that we're aware of, where she was born. 335 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:20,740 The judge that handled the adoption proceeding 336 00:18:20,770 --> 00:18:24,030 was terminated for corruption 337 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:26,870 a month or so after Natalia was adopted. 338 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:29,170 And that the file, 339 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,270 the records of Natalia's adoption were missing. 340 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:36,170 Did you ever see that birth certificate before? 341 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,430 -[speaking Ukrainian] -[Kenneth] You did-- Did you-- 342 00:18:44,430 --> 00:18:49,000 [speaking Ukrainian] 343 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:55,170 -[speaking Ukrainian] -[Kenneth] No. Okay. 344 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,900 [translator] She didn't know about her whereabouts. 345 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,470 They only told her she was relocated to the United States, 346 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:03,570 and she doesn't know what happened to her after this. 347 00:19:08,030 --> 00:19:12,930 Would I be surprised that Natalia was handed off 348 00:19:12,970 --> 00:19:16,200 to different people for nefarious reasons? 349 00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:18,800 Maybe, you know, trafficked. 350 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,130 I wouldn't be surprised by anything. 351 00:19:21,170 --> 00:19:22,430 [investigator] Do you know which parts of the body 352 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:24,070 people aren't supposed to touch? 353 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,630 -[investigator] Private areas. -[Natalia] Yeah. 354 00:19:28,670 --> 00:19:30,330 [investigator] You know where your private areas are? 355 00:19:30,370 --> 00:19:31,600 [investigator] Okay. 356 00:19:31,630 --> 00:19:34,840 There are a lot of real sickos out there. 357 00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:36,300 Talk about diabolical. 358 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:38,330 They exist. 359 00:19:43,670 --> 00:19:44,800 Tell me about that. 360 00:19:48,030 --> 00:19:48,970 [investigator] Mmm-hmm. 361 00:19:50,170 --> 00:19:52,130 -[investigator] Which guy? -[Natalia] Um... 362 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,000 [Nicole] Our social worker had taught us. 363 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,570 A child that comes from an orphanage 364 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,370 that was abandoned as a baby, 365 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,570 is gonna have some trauma. 366 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,700 If Natalia is now your daughter, 367 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:19,970 and she's been diagnosed with reactive attachment disorder, 368 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,800 you have to accept that. 369 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,600 You have to be prepared. 370 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,400 [Cynthia] Natalia's been through a lot. 371 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,570 And so how we coped with it was lots of family love. 372 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,040 Like, we would all get together 373 00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:32,500 and we would pray together, 374 00:20:32,540 --> 00:20:36,870 to show her that she is a good person 375 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:39,740 and she is able to be loved. 376 00:20:40,670 --> 00:20:43,500 [Michael] Your therapist believed 377 00:20:43,540 --> 00:20:47,840 that reactive attachment kids needed to be boot camped. 378 00:20:47,870 --> 00:20:52,340 That you needed to treated like you were in the military. 379 00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:55,800 He shared a couple words with Kristine, 380 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,400 and she took 'em and ran with 'em. 381 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,970 She loved the idea of bootcamp. 382 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,440 And at-- And suddenly, everything was a privilege or a consequence. 383 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:08,870 I had privileges and consequences. 384 00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:15,040 Abusers want you to feel like not only you're the only one, 385 00:21:15,070 --> 00:21:17,800 -but they want you to feel like you can't tell anyone. -[Natalia crying] 386 00:21:18,770 --> 00:21:21,340 [Michael] I am thankful you and I are alive today. 387 00:21:21,370 --> 00:21:23,400 Oh, my God. [sighs] 388 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:24,970 [crying softly] 389 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,270 She tried everything 390 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:30,140 to try to make me into a monster. 391 00:21:30,170 --> 00:21:32,040 [Michael] She did the exact same to me. 392 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:36,100 November 2013, 393 00:21:36,140 --> 00:21:38,100 uh, we had just moved to Canada. 394 00:21:38,140 --> 00:21:40,440 And she and I had the-- [sighs] 395 00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:43,740 probably the fight to end all fights. 396 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:46,140 We're in a car. There's me, there's her. 397 00:21:46,170 --> 00:21:48,100 Wesley and Ethan are in the back seat. 398 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:49,070 [sighs] 399 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,140 [exhales sharply] 400 00:21:52,170 --> 00:21:56,270 Instant screaming, blood curdling, top-of-lungs. 401 00:21:57,870 --> 00:21:59,740 "Everything's mine, nothing's yours. 402 00:21:59,770 --> 00:22:01,440 These people are mine. 403 00:22:01,470 --> 00:22:03,170 The things are mine, the children are mine, 404 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,400 the money is mine, friends are mine. 405 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,140 You have nothing." 406 00:22:07,170 --> 00:22:08,570 And she's just going on and on and on 407 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,140 and she just keeps saying, 408 00:22:10,940 --> 00:22:12,000 "Mine." 409 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,170 My success, my money, my Hollywood. 410 00:22:18,340 --> 00:22:20,800 And she keeps going and she keeps going and she keeps going. 411 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,870 And I had enough. 412 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:26,900 And both hands on the wheel, 413 00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:31,170 I shouldn't have said what I said. I regret saying what I said. 414 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,940 I told her, "Shut up or I'll kill you." 415 00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:36,600 So she keeps yelling, yelling, yelling, gets her phone out, 416 00:22:37,540 --> 00:22:39,770 secretly hits "record" and then stops screaming. 417 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,670 So now, the only person screaming is who? 418 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,300 -You. -Me. 419 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,000 And what am I saying? 420 00:22:46,770 --> 00:22:47,970 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 421 00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:49,800 So she records that, 422 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,770 and while it's happening she turns to the boys, 423 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,700 "Boys, Dad's gonna kill you both. 424 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:56,440 But Mommy's gonna protect you. I'll save you. 425 00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:59,500 He's gonna kill everyone. I'll save you." 426 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:01,700 So, she records it. [sighs] 427 00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:04,140 I can't tell you how many times 428 00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:05,600 she's played that back to them. 429 00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:08,040 It's a lot. 430 00:23:09,370 --> 00:23:13,200 She played that back to them over and over and over, allegedly 431 00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:16,040 so they would be afraid of their dad. 432 00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:17,940 All I wanted to do was get away from her. 433 00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:22,200 They spent the next nine months, 434 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,600 all three boys, 435 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:26,670 staying up all night, 436 00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:28,770 at the window of the farm 437 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,200 in the middle of nowhere, Canada, 438 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,100 with knives 439 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:34,770 waiting for their dad to come home. 440 00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:36,900 Because she had convinced them 441 00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:39,040 he's gonna come back and get you. 442 00:23:39,070 --> 00:23:41,340 He's going to come back and kill you. 443 00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:43,940 You've gotta tell the judge in our divorce 444 00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:45,300 that you've gotta come with Mom, 445 00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:47,000 'cause Dad's gonna kill you. 446 00:23:48,370 --> 00:23:51,870 The boys relayed to me that she would pull up on the computer, 447 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:55,670 every story of every father that ever killed their child. 448 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,770 And she convinced them I was gonna do it to 'em. 449 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,070 Suddenly, they're terrified. 450 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:23,340 And she takes them to a battered women's therapist in the middle of nowhere. 451 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000 And tells the battered women's therapist, 452 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,470 "I'm a monster, I'm gonna kill everybody, 453 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:30,840 please save me." 454 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:34,700 She gets me to agree that 455 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:38,500 whatever the therapist thinks is best for the kids, I'll do. 456 00:24:38,540 --> 00:24:39,770 [clicks tongue] Next thing I know, 457 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,470 what the therapist thinks is best for the kids 458 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,240 is they should-- they should never talk to their dad. 459 00:24:45,070 --> 00:24:46,000 [cries softly] 460 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,500 I didn't see my sons. 461 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:51,800 [sniffles] 462 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:52,770 [softly] She took 'em. 463 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,170 [sniffles] 464 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,170 I-- I-- I don't-- I don't have my sons. 465 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,070 January 15th, 2014 is the last time I saw them. 466 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:08,170 [crying softly] 467 00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:17,470 I've seen Jacob. 468 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:19,340 And he and I have worked on things 469 00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:22,140 and tried to repair some things. [sniffles] 470 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:24,240 But I missed everything. 471 00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:25,200 [sniffles] I missed... 472 00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:28,070 the rest of him growing up, 473 00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:29,540 I missed... 474 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:31,800 things like his first date, his first dance. 475 00:25:32,540 --> 00:25:33,470 I... 476 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,040 I've-- I've-- I've missed-- 477 00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:37,400 I've-- I've-- I've missed-- 478 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,740 I've missed every-- everything. [sniffles] 479 00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:40,740 I haven't... 480 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,570 I've-- I-- I haven't seen Wesley and Ethan. 481 00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:45,740 My sons are gone. [sniffles] 482 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:49,700 [Natalie] I can tell he's struggling. 483 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,340 I feel like part of it is guilt. 484 00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:55,140 The things that Michael has done, 485 00:25:55,170 --> 00:25:56,470 that Kristine has done, 486 00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:58,940 they were not right. 487 00:25:58,970 --> 00:26:00,940 It should've never happened in the first place. 488 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:05,200 [Antwan] I think there's always time for redemption. 489 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,400 It's never too late to do the right thing. 490 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,940 But you need to give a full confession of what you've done. 491 00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:16,000 [Beth] Michael and Natalia both want some kind of closure. 492 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,300 This was an important confrontation, 493 00:26:18,340 --> 00:26:20,040 face-off, meeting, whatever. 494 00:26:20,770 --> 00:26:22,900 Michael is still making excuses, 495 00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:26,540 instead of taking responsibility himself for some of the abuse. 496 00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:29,840 And time is running out. 497 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:32,740 I've had nightmares about this stuff. 498 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:34,140 [sighs] 499 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:35,240 [Natalia] I want it to stop. 500 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:38,870 And I want a full apology. 501 00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:48,640 [Michael sighs] 502 00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:53,440 Did you ever think how it would affect me? 503 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,870 You remember your cross that's got the-- the-- 504 00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:59,200 your little name "Grace" on it that we used to have? 505 00:27:00,740 --> 00:27:01,870 [crying] Yeah. 506 00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:05,400 I have like, six things left from my old life, 507 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,770 that's one of 'em. 508 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,470 It's hanging up on the wall in the middle of the living room. 509 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:09,840 So, yes, I think about it. 510 00:27:09,870 --> 00:27:13,040 And I think about all the time... [crying softly] 511 00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:14,140 The cross with your name on it 512 00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:15,870 is positioned in a, in a spot in my living room 513 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:17,440 where I have to see it. 514 00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:21,600 I've never tried to forget Natalia in general. 515 00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:24,870 Natalia deserves to not be forgotten. 516 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:26,500 Yes, I think of it. 517 00:27:27,970 --> 00:27:30,570 And I beat myself up over it all the time 518 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,600 for not being stronger. 519 00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:37,440 I could've easily killed myself 520 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:39,240 ten times in the last year alone. 521 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,340 [sighs] 522 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:49,500 [Natalia] And... 523 00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:51,670 I hate... 524 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,100 the things that they've had to go through. 525 00:27:58,900 --> 00:27:59,840 [sniffles] 526 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:18,140 [Michael] They're gonna be gone forever. 527 00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:23,100 I need a... I need a miracle. 528 00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:25,640 I... I need... 529 00:28:25,670 --> 00:28:26,970 I... I need a miracle. 530 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:28,470 [sniffles] 531 00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:35,170 And I just want everyone... 532 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,170 to find some peace in that. 533 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,670 Being so terrified of... 534 00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:45,000 what she'll do next. 535 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:46,670 [sniffles] 536 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,070 Are you sorry? 537 00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:52,570 -Yeah. -Are you sorry about what she did to me? 538 00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:54,000 [sniffles] 539 00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:58,640 I'm overly sorry about what she did to you. 540 00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:01,340 I am horrified by what she has done to you. [sniffles] 541 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,440 I am sorry I wasn't stronger 542 00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:05,540 and didn't stop her. I... 543 00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:06,840 [sobbing] 544 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:08,000 [Michael] I wasn't... 545 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:09,240 I... 546 00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:10,900 I just wasn't. 547 00:29:10,940 --> 00:29:13,170 I don't think I'm strong enough now to do it. 548 00:29:14,270 --> 00:29:16,200 But I'm doin' it anyway. 549 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,200 'Cause the truth deserves to be told complete. 550 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,740 Not a little snippet. 551 00:29:20,770 --> 00:29:22,640 Here's everything. 552 00:29:25,570 --> 00:29:26,500 [sobbing] 553 00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:38,300 [Natalia] Michael... 554 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,840 I forgive you. 555 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,140 You don't have to. 556 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:50,840 I don't forgive me. 557 00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:57,440 I just couldn't. 558 00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:59,540 I just couldn't. I just couldn't. 559 00:30:00,740 --> 00:30:01,670 [sobbing] 560 00:30:01,970 --> 00:30:02,900 Michael. 561 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,370 [Michael] I... [sniffles] 562 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,340 -Michael. -I should've stopped her. 563 00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:08,300 [Natalia] Michael. Look at me. 564 00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:12,570 I forgive you. 565 00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:16,900 [Michael sniffles] 566 00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:21,500 -Please? -Sure. 567 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,040 [sniffling] 568 00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:31,170 In the name of Jesus, 569 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:33,200 thank you for protecting me. 570 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,570 Thank you for giving him a second chance. 571 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,540 Thank you for saving him from the pills that he took. 572 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:41,400 Thank you, Lord Jesus. 573 00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:44,140 All that you've done, Lord Jesus, 574 00:30:44,170 --> 00:30:46,370 'cause we know that you have a plan for him. 575 00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:51,140 I just pray, Lord Jesus, that you would just touch his heart. 576 00:30:51,170 --> 00:30:53,270 Please. God, I just pray to... 577 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:54,600 [sniffles] 578 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,100 ...give him a new mindset. 579 00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:57,370 Give him a new heart. 580 00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:00,740 He can be stronger than this. 581 00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:03,470 I pray... [sniffles] 582 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,470 He can be better than who he is. 583 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,470 God, I just pray that you would just... 584 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,440 -just help him, Lord Jesus. -[Michael sobbing] 585 00:31:14,670 --> 00:31:15,900 Please just help him. 586 00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:17,700 Please. 587 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:20,040 Lord Jesus in Eden. 588 00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:24,470 Thank you. 589 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,940 This is how we get free. 590 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,740 [Natalia] I just want you to know something else. 591 00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,570 It was not easy to forgive you. 592 00:31:45,140 --> 00:31:46,100 It wasn't. 593 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,070 That... 594 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,800 That is a really powerful scene. 595 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,970 I mean, the... I think the tears are real. 596 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,640 I think this is what each side was hoping for, 597 00:31:54,670 --> 00:31:56,770 forgiveness and an apology. 598 00:31:58,740 --> 00:31:59,840 But... 599 00:31:59,870 --> 00:32:01,670 One of the unresolved issues 600 00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,600 is that Natalia wants to know why she was re-aged. 601 00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:09,940 It's still so painful for her. 602 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:12,600 But it's one area 603 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,000 that Michael says is completely off limits. 604 00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:18,800 So... 605 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,470 Did Natalia really forgive him? 606 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,040 Or is it a ruse to get information 607 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:27,100 for a possible civil suit 608 00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:28,200 and trial down the road? 609 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,970 [Michael sighs] 610 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,370 This was hard. 611 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,770 But... 612 00:32:44,770 --> 00:32:46,370 I'm willing to do it. 613 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,140 'Cause everybody deserves a second chance. 614 00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:52,340 Everybody deserves a time... 615 00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:54,200 to admit their faults and be forgiven. 616 00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:57,440 I appreciate that. 617 00:32:58,870 --> 00:33:02,170 I hope you have nothing but a happy existence 618 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,670 and it seems like you have that. 619 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:05,040 I am okay. 620 00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:06,900 I'm glad you're okay. 621 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:09,170 Ever since I met my parents, 622 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000 they let me have the childhood that I needed. 623 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,640 They're the ones that got me through 624 00:33:13,670 --> 00:33:14,940 the things that I went through. 625 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,670 And I pray that... 626 00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:19,640 your life gets easier too. 627 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:26,200 Gotta do this... 628 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,100 I can't bend. 629 00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:28,000 -I can't put my... -I know you can't. 630 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,540 Or we... We can just... Watch this. 631 00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:31,240 Do that and then we're in here, 632 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:32,340 and then we're there. 633 00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:33,800 And I'll slap that for ya. 634 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,840 [chuckles] Thanks. 635 00:33:36,370 --> 00:33:39,600 At first, like, I was very upset with him and, you know, 636 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,740 it was just very hard to be able to forgive Michael. 637 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:44,000 And honestly, I wish I could've been able to talk to him more 638 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,100 about the re-aging. 639 00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:47,000 But at the end of the day... 640 00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:49,570 he apologized. 641 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,570 Everybody deserves peace in their life. 642 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,400 [Michael] It's extremely nice to know 643 00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:57,540 that there is... 644 00:33:57,570 --> 00:34:02,000 no mental daggers coming from her side to me. 645 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,170 [sighs] 646 00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:07,500 Forgiveness is good. 647 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,100 Forgiveness wipes it all away. 648 00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:14,199 All right. 649 00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:22,540 [rock song playing indistinctly] 650 00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:28,340 ♪ Until you care about ♪ 651 00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:30,340 ♪ Care about ♪ 652 00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:33,239 ♪ You care about ♪ 653 00:34:33,670 --> 00:34:35,570 ♪ Care about ♪ 654 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,500 [music recedes] 655 00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:54,070 [chuckling] 656 00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,670 It's my adoption day and I'm so excited. 657 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,570 Um... 658 00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:02,100 It's been a long time coming. 659 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,940 This... 660 00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:05,170 is my adoption board. 661 00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:07,200 Let's do a countdown. 662 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:08,200 [laughs] It's great. 663 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,100 I mean, I'm at 0 days. 664 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,970 [giggling] 665 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,340 It's official. 666 00:35:15,570 --> 00:35:18,300 It has been a really long journey. 667 00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:19,500 [grunts] 668 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,200 I have always wondered 669 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,470 if I would ever be able to... 670 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,340 find someone that would actually love me. 671 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,940 But then I met my parents and... 672 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,700 it's been different ever since. 673 00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:33,070 It's been a good different. 674 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:37,700 This is the day that I close the door on the Barnetts 675 00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:38,970 and never open it again. 676 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:46,100 I was the girl who came from Ukraine 677 00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:48,370 and a lot of stuff happened... 678 00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:50,840 that I wish didn't. 679 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:55,970 But, I just want people to remember me as... 680 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,200 someone who was able to overcome 681 00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,500 what they went through. 682 00:35:59,540 --> 00:36:03,670 I was able to still move on and just grow. 683 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,740 All right. Up the ramp we go. 684 00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:10,770 [Cynthia] It's adoption-- 685 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,670 -[Antwon] It's adoption time. -[Natalia] Okay. 686 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:12,870 [Cynthia] Adoption day. 687 00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:17,170 You ready to make this official? 688 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,140 I'm very ready to make this official. 689 00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:20,700 -Yes. -Are you sure you wanna do this? 690 00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:22,800 -Because you're stuck with us. -Yeah. 691 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,870 -Yes. -You know what? 692 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:25,800 Y'all stuck with me, so... 693 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,200 -Yeah. [chuckling] -We appreciate that. 694 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:28,070 Yes. 695 00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,340 -I love y'all so much. -All right. 696 00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:31,840 -Let's go do this, baby. -Let's do this. 697 00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:33,670 -[Cynthia] Come on. - [Antwon] Let me get the door. 698 00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:36,500 Oh, my gosh. 699 00:36:39,570 --> 00:36:40,500 I'm about to be adopted. 700 00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:43,840 Oh, my gosh. 701 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,040 This is matter of the adoption 702 00:36:46,070 --> 00:36:48,070 of Natalia Grace Barnett. 703 00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:51,900 Natalia, can you raise your right hand to be sworn? 704 00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:53,370 Do you swear or affirm the testimony 705 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,900 you're about to give us the truth, the whole truth, 706 00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:55,900 and nothing but the truth? 707 00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:57,440 -I do. -[Judge Barajas] You may be seated. 708 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:00,800 Trusting is not easy. 709 00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:03,540 Especially when you've been hurt. 710 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:06,270 But... 711 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,540 being adopted is... is an awesome thing. 712 00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:11,170 It really is. 713 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,970 Especially when you find that perfect family. 714 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,200 You understand adoption is supposed to be forever. 715 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:18,570 -Yes. -[Peter] Okay. Do you wish 716 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,070 that this adoption be forever 717 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:22,940 -as you sit here in court today? -Yes, I do. 718 00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:25,670 Okay. So there's a discrepancy in your legal age 719 00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:27,140 and your biological age. 720 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:28,740 Can you explain that to me? 721 00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:33,470 Um, the adopted family that was before, they changed my age. 722 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,900 Uh, they was trying to claim that I was an adult 723 00:37:36,940 --> 00:37:38,540 even though I wasn't. 724 00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:41,600 [Judge Barajas] Okay. So legally you are 33 years of age. 725 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,740 Yes. 726 00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:43,940 [Judge Barajas] Okay. So you're born in Ukraine. 727 00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:45,870 And what date does that show that you were born? 728 00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:48,170 September 4th, 2003. 729 00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:54,670 Okay, so either way you're an adult. 730 00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:57,240 You're either 19 years old or some other number. 731 00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:59,000 -Yes. -Okay. You may sit down. 732 00:37:59,670 --> 00:38:00,600 [speaking indistinctly] 733 00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:08,870 [Judge Barajas] The court will find that Natalia Grace Barnett 734 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,340 consents to the adoption in open court today. 735 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,300 And that the petition should be granted 736 00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:15,840 that the adult's name 737 00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:18,440 should be changed to Natalia Grace Rene Mans. 738 00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:20,700 And that the petitioners 739 00:38:20,740 --> 00:38:23,670 Antwon Cori Mans and Cynthia Marie Rene Mans 740 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,300 from this day forward shall be known as her parents. 741 00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:30,270 [squealing, giggling] 742 00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:38,770 [Natalia] I love you. 743 00:38:39,570 --> 00:38:40,500 [laughs] 744 00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:44,000 Daddy. 745 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,600 [sobbing] 746 00:38:57,940 --> 00:38:59,200 Finally being adopted... 747 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,770 to my family who has loved me 748 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,140 and gone through every roadblock 749 00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:08,870 and every stepping stone... 750 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,440 and never gave up on me 751 00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:14,170 is the greatest feeling in the world to me. 752 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,570 Oh, my gosh. I love you. 753 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,040 That's literally, like, the happiest moment 754 00:39:19,070 --> 00:39:20,670 of my entire life. 755 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,800 [Cynthia] I am the mommy. 756 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,040 -I am the mommy. [laughing] -[Antwon] Come on, buddy. 757 00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:28,170 Oh, my gosh. It's official. 758 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,400 I have the adoption decree right here. 759 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:33,700 It's official! 760 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,570 [laughing] 761 00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:46,870 My life, ever since I was really little, 762 00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:49,540 I felt like, uh, written out for me. 763 00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:52,600 Just like a crazy, curious story 764 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,000 of just, like, many twists and turns. 765 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,270 And I had no control over that. 766 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,440 I had to learn a lot of life lessons 767 00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:04,400 at a early age. 768 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,870 But I will forever embrace my past 769 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:11,370 because I feel like it made me stronger. 770 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,600 I just wanna stay focused on now 771 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,400 'cause I have a lot of big plans for my life. 772 00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:25,400 I'm gonna get my age changed 773 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,100 back to the way it's supposed to be. 774 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:29,600 Go to school, get my high school diploma. 775 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,240 This is a new chapter... 776 00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:33,140 in the story... 777 00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:37,100 with just endless possibilities. 778 00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:42,100 Book two is about to be written by me 779 00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:45,270 and that book is gonna be an amazing book. 780 00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:46,740 I already know. [laughs] 781 00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:57,800 [intense music playing] 782 00:41:32,670 --> 00:41:33,600 [Cynthia] Yeah.