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In the criminal justice
system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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the police,
who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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I told you, this has to stop.
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Please, just leave me alone.
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Emily,
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everyone's
waiting to toast you.
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You okay?
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Gotta keep the bad energy
far away, right?
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Okay.
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Emily!
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Great work, Emily!
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You're brilliant!
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I wanna thank you all
for coming tonight,
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my fellow free thinkers,
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my passionate positivists.
- Yes!
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Tomorrow we get to share
so many of the ideas
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we've discovered together.
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We get to help even more people
embrace holistic wellness.
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Here's to long,
healthy lives ahead.
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All right, what have we got?
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Female, mid-30s,
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gunshot to
the back of the head.
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Name is Emily Starr.
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Close range, huh?
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MLI said there was some
stippling on the scalp
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from the powder burns.
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Time of death?
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Body temp indicates
between 10:00 and midnight.
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Any witnesses?
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A clerk at the bodega around
the corner remembers hearing
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a loud noise around 10:45
and seeing someone
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rush from the scaffolding in a
puffy tan coat with a tote bag.
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- Man? Woman?
- He couldn't say.
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Perp had a hood and scarf on.
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Guessing because of
the scaffolding, no cameras?
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Nothing functioning
around here.
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Thanks.
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What have we got?
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Right. Wallet, phone.
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That's a pretty nice purse.
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Emily Starr.
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"Your Amazing Life."
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Just got cut short.
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How long had you
been working for her?
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Three years.
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Emily was
a wellness influencer?
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TikTok and all that?
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It started that way.
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About ten years ago,
she beat stomach cancer--
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naturally.
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She started a vlog about it,
that caught on,
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and pretty soon,
she was recommending
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homeopathic remedies for
sleep issues, skin problems.
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A few years ago
she opened the center here
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because so many
of her followers
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wanted to work
with her in person.
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Does Emily have any family
that we should be notifying?
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No--her mom split
when she was young,
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and her dad died
of lung cancer.
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That's what got her started
on her health journey.
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Emily was killed
on 10th and 27th.
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You know what
she was doing there?
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She was walking home
from her book party here.
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- Did she leave alone?
- Yeah.
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Were there any problems
at the party?
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Any arguments?
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No.
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It was a great night.
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But she did get a call
that kind of rattled her.
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- Do you know who from?
- No.
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She stepped away to take it
and looked worried.
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The ME says the slug
pulled from the vic
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was from a.22 caliber.
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The grate sweeps have not
found a murder weapon,
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so where are we at with
this menacing conversation?
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According to
Emily Starr's cell records,
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between 7:00 and 9:00 p.m.,
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she got seven calls
from the same number.
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And?
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The number traces to
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Skylar Gibson.
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Oh, she's another
health influencer.
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And judging by
her social media posts--
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#backstabber, #snake--
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she's not a fan of Emily Starr.
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She also texted Emily
an hour before she was killed.
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"Watch your back, bitch."
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That doesn't sound healthy.
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Emily and I used
to be friends,
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roommates for a couple years.
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We planned to write
a wellness book together.
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And what,
she went off on her own?
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She wrote her book
without even telling me.
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Then last week I got my hands
on an early copy,
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saw my recipes,
my pose sequence.
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And that ticked you off?
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The wellness market is a $2
trillion industry, detectives.
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We all want a piece.
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This was a serious
business dispute.
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"Watch your back, bitch"?
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That doesn't sound
very businessy.
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Mm-mm.
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You got an alibi
for last night?
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I was leading
an online breath class--
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the whole thing was recorded.
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I never stepped foot outside
this building until 11:00 p.m.
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Look, I'm sorry
she's dead, truly.
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Okay.
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But can you think of anyone
who might want to kill her?
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Well, her ex, Zane,
loved her too much.
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Trolled her after the breakup.
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Dude had anger issues.
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And I'm betting he didn't like
that Emily wrote about him.
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In her new book?
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Chapter 13, "Cleansing
Yourself of an Evil Ex."
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Hi, Zane.
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We're just gonna play a little
show and tell, all right?
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I'm gonna show you a video,
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you're gonna tell me
what the hell you're doing.
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Sit down.
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That's you at Emily's
book party two nights ago,
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trying to get in, while that
nice gentleman with the iPad
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is telling you to take a hike.
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That piss you off?
- No!
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I-I just wanted
five minutes of her time.
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I wanted to make amends.
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Make amends for trolling
her online for a year?
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Look,
I'm a better man now, okay?
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I--I'm getting married
next month,
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and I credit Emily
for motivating me
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to get my act together.
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Why the sudden need
to unburden yourself?
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I mean, do you really think
she would have
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wanted you at her big night?
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I heard her on
the radio this week.
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She was reading from her book.
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It's a bit about me,
and I sounded awful.
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So I went to apologize,
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and then they wouldn't
let me in, so I left.
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Where'd you go?
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Just a bar I know.
It's a mile north of the event.
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Hey, Zane's alibi holds.
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Got surveillance
from outside the bar.
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He leaves six minutes
after the shot was fired.
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Okay.
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Is that a city bus
coming up 10th Ave
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from the direction
of the shooting?
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It is,
which means that it passed
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by the area of the shooting
just minutes prior.
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Did you pull the dash cam?
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Mm-hmm,
and look what it found
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a few blocks north
of the shooting.
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You run facial rec?
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No luck.
The face isn't visible enough.
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But the figure does match
the description
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we got from the witness,
minus the tote bag.
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So the shooter must
have ditched the tote bag
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between the shooting and here.
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Do you have a map
of the area?
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Yeah.
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Okay, see right there?
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That passageway that
the shooter's coming out of,
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that's a dead end.
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So the shooter
ducked in and ducked out.
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Call the SRGs.
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I'm sure there's a couple
of dumpsters in that alley.
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The gun was still
in the tote bag,
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so it wasn't contaminated
with any trash.
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- Any prints?
- Nothing on the weapon.
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But when we test-fired it,
we found something interesting.
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See those grooves?
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Yeah. Any match in NIBIN?
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Primer pin markings
on this casing
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are an exact match to a bullet
pulled from a convenience store
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armed robbery six years ago.
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What happened to that gun?
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According to the file,
it was never recovered.
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But they did get the shooter.
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Got a conviction
based on video.
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Who was the shooter?
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Eric Domingo,
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from South Ozone Park.
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Some narcotics priors.
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Any idea where he is now?
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Looks like he was up
at Mid-State
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but was released a month ago.
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NYPD!
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Domingo, open up!
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NYPD!
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, officers!
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Stand back! Stand back!
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- I--
- You stand back!
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There's nothing
in the house, I swear.
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All right,
check the back room.
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Make sure it's clear.
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You're not gonna
find anything.
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We're not interested
in your dope.
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We wanna talk
about Emily Starr.
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I don't know what
you're talking about.
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That surprises me,
'cause she was killed
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by the gun you used
in an armed robbery
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a few years ago.
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And we also
have a bullet from it
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that pierced the skull
of a 34-year-old woman.
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Holy--
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So you wanna tell us where
you were two nights ago,
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around 10:45?
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You mean Thursday night?
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Yeah.
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That was my recovery meeting.
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Yeah, yeah,
at St. Mary of Ascension.
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Talk to Father Romano.
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There were ten of us.
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He had us praying,
praying to stay clean.
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It was from 9:00 to 11:00.
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So how did your gun
end up as a murder weapon
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while you're talking to God?
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Hey, look,
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my girl pawned it
while I was in.
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She needed the cash.
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Clayton Boyce?
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You're law enforcement?
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That is correct.
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We're here about a gun
a New York City pawn shop
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resold you a few months ago.
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Sounds like
an illegal firearm
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and an illegal transaction,
which I would not partake in.
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That's so funny.
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That's exactly what
the pawn shop guy said to me
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right before I threatened
to have the ATF shut him down.
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I got rights.
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I don't have to speak to you.
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Oh, we got rights too.
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We got rights to get
a warrant for all your records,
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every transaction.
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I mean, if you sold one single
keychain without sales tax,
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the state has the right to
revoke your business license.
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And that's after
we exercise our right
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to get your FFL yanked.
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Listen, that.22 revolver
was used in a murder.
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If you help us find out
who bought it,
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we may just get too busy
chasing down our suspect...
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We get very focused.
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And we just
don't have any time
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to look into your bookkeeping.
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At the gun shows,
people show up with cash
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looking for something
under the table.
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Some sellers
unload stuff out back.
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You got a place
and date for this gun show
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where this.22,
which you know nothing about,
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disappeared?
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Falling Rock Gun Show,
ten days ago.
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There's no list
of gun show attendants,
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but we managed to get
parking lot video.
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We ran 122 plates.
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Any matches to anyone on
Emily Starr's contact list?
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Nothing.
262
00:11:00,355 --> 00:11:01,661
But three were rental cars,
so we looked
263
00:11:01,835 --> 00:11:03,314
at video of those drivers.
264
00:11:03,532 --> 00:11:05,403
Two show their faces
in broad daylight.
265
00:11:05,621 --> 00:11:07,275
But this one, the one with
the hat down, scarf up--
266
00:11:07,492 --> 00:11:08,842
Trying to hide.
267
00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:09,973
That car was rented
to a Roger Massey
268
00:11:10,191 --> 00:11:11,453
from Darien, Connecticut--
269
00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:14,238
52, married, works for
Capstone Insurance.
270
00:11:14,456 --> 00:11:16,980
Why don't you run the
rental plates through the MTA
271
00:11:17,198 --> 00:11:19,199
and see if that car was
anywhere near Manhattan
272
00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,680
the night of the murder?
- Mm-hmm.
273
00:11:20,897 --> 00:11:22,856
And, uh, does this guy
have any link to Emily?
274
00:11:23,073 --> 00:11:24,901
He's not on her client
or follower list.
275
00:11:25,119 --> 00:11:29,036
Looks like he came in over
the Triborough at 8:18 p.m.
276
00:11:29,253 --> 00:11:32,169
Went back over the bridge
at 11:52 p.m.
277
00:11:32,387 --> 00:11:34,389
That's an hour
after the murder.
278
00:11:34,606 --> 00:11:36,434
Let's call in a warrant.
279
00:11:42,092 --> 00:11:43,615
What in the hell
is going on here?
280
00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:44,442
We have a warrant
to search your premises.
281
00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:45,747
Step aside, sir.
282
00:11:45,748 --> 00:11:48,010
Thank you.
- Search for what? Why?
283
00:11:48,011 --> 00:11:51,232
Mr. Massey, your rental car
was in Pennsylvania last week
284
00:11:51,449 --> 00:11:53,495
at a gun show where we believe
you purchased a weapon
285
00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,149
used in a recent murder.
286
00:11:55,366 --> 00:11:57,064
Murder? Pennsylvania?
287
00:11:57,281 --> 00:11:58,629
Well, that's not possible.
288
00:11:58,630 --> 00:12:00,328
My wife was only using
the rental for errands
289
00:12:00,545 --> 00:12:01,545
while hers was in the shop.
290
00:12:01,546 --> 00:12:02,939
Someone else must have used it.
291
00:12:03,157 --> 00:12:04,854
Carol, come down!
292
00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:09,772
They're here about
the rental car.
293
00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:11,251
Rental car?
294
00:12:11,252 --> 00:12:13,558
Hey, we found this
in the garage trash,
295
00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:15,952
bagged a few times.
296
00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:17,737
We sprayed luminol.
It's got blood spatter on it.
297
00:12:17,954 --> 00:12:19,129
Blood?
298
00:12:19,347 --> 00:12:21,784
What in the hell
is going on here?
299
00:12:22,002 --> 00:12:25,309
Mrs. Massey,
is that your jacket?
300
00:12:25,527 --> 00:12:27,485
Roger, say nothing.
301
00:12:27,703 --> 00:12:29,095
- What?
- Just say nothing.
302
00:12:29,096 --> 00:12:30,967
All right, let's go.
We're taking them both in.
303
00:12:31,185 --> 00:12:32,621
- He--he did nothing wrong.
- That's okay. Come on.
304
00:12:32,795 --> 00:12:34,404
We're gonna let
the DA make that call.
305
00:12:34,405 --> 00:12:36,103
You have the right to remain
silent, do you understand?
306
00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,844
Anything you say can
and will be used against you.
307
00:12:38,061 --> 00:12:39,106
Do you understand?
- Roger, it's okay.
308
00:12:39,323 --> 00:12:40,324
Say nothing.
309
00:12:40,542 --> 00:12:41,848
Nothing.
310
00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,160
Neither the wife nor
the husband is talking?
311
00:12:50,378 --> 00:12:52,293
No, not a peep, and they
both have lawyers on the way.
312
00:12:52,510 --> 00:12:55,252
But I did call the insurance
company where Roger works,
313
00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:56,906
and they say
he was in the office
314
00:12:57,124 --> 00:12:58,733
on the day of the gun show.
315
00:12:58,734 --> 00:13:02,607
Also, there was only one person
in the surveillance video
316
00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:05,393
of the rental car,
who matches her build.
317
00:13:05,610 --> 00:13:08,135
All the evidence points to the
wife being a single shooter,
318
00:13:08,352 --> 00:13:10,137
wearing the jacket that was
found at the Massey house
319
00:13:10,354 --> 00:13:11,660
with the victim's blood.
320
00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:13,270
I mean, Carol's DNA
is all over it.
321
00:13:13,488 --> 00:13:15,185
Why does a suburban wife
322
00:13:15,403 --> 00:13:17,839
execute a 30-something
influencer?
323
00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,537
We pulled the phone records.
324
00:13:19,755 --> 00:13:22,975
It seems like Roger called
her twice, five months ago.
325
00:13:22,976 --> 00:13:24,455
And then she stopped
answering his calls.
326
00:13:24,673 --> 00:13:25,892
What about her?
327
00:13:26,109 --> 00:13:27,849
She have any contact
with the victim?
328
00:13:27,850 --> 00:13:29,199
She reached out a few times
in the weeks before the murder,
329
00:13:29,417 --> 00:13:31,071
but the calls always
went to voicemail.
330
00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:35,553
So maybe the husband had
an affair with Emily Starr,
331
00:13:35,771 --> 00:13:37,381
and the wife got jealous?
332
00:13:37,599 --> 00:13:39,209
Motive is iffy here.
333
00:13:40,645 --> 00:13:44,301
But we can prove that she
bought the gun the week before,
334
00:13:44,519 --> 00:13:45,867
and then she shot the victim
in the back of the head?
335
00:13:45,868 --> 00:13:47,957
I think any grand jury
in town will say yes.
336
00:13:48,175 --> 00:13:49,654
So...
337
00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:51,221
cut the husband loose,
338
00:13:51,439 --> 00:13:53,093
charge the wife
with murder two.
339
00:13:55,747 --> 00:13:57,749
So what's the connection
340
00:13:57,924 --> 00:14:00,056
between Carol Massey
and Emily Starr?
341
00:14:00,274 --> 00:14:02,624
'Cause other than some
unanswered phone calls,
342
00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,669
I don't see that she sent
any emails to the victim.
343
00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:09,239
No, no, but here's
a flurry of emails
344
00:14:09,457 --> 00:14:12,764
with someone named Lauren Hope
in the month before the murder.
345
00:14:12,939 --> 00:14:15,376
Subject, uh,
"Why won't you listen,"
346
00:14:15,593 --> 00:14:18,422
and "Stop ignoring me."
347
00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,164
Email address is
at Hudson University.
348
00:14:21,382 --> 00:14:22,512
Hmm.
349
00:14:22,513 --> 00:14:25,168
Well, according to
her social media,
350
00:14:25,386 --> 00:14:27,431
Lauren Hope, age 20,
351
00:14:27,649 --> 00:14:29,042
used to live in
Darien, Connecticut,
352
00:14:29,259 --> 00:14:30,913
before she went to Hudson.
353
00:14:31,131 --> 00:14:35,178
Oh, used to be tagged in
her photos as Lauren Massey.
354
00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:38,703
She's the couple's daughter?
355
00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:42,664
Is there a Lauren Hope
in Emily's records?
356
00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:44,796
Lauren Hope.
357
00:14:44,971 --> 00:14:49,497
Oh, just last year she spent
14 grand on Starr's workshop.
358
00:14:49,714 --> 00:14:51,238
Three-day cleanse.
359
00:14:51,455 --> 00:14:54,502
That is a lot of money
for green juice.
360
00:14:54,719 --> 00:14:57,635
She also paid weekly rent
to stay at Starr's center
361
00:14:57,853 --> 00:14:59,681
last winter, over the holidays.
362
00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:01,552
Guessing Mom didn't like that.
363
00:15:01,770 --> 00:15:04,033
This email
to her daughter says,
364
00:15:04,251 --> 00:15:08,211
"Emily Starr only wants
your money,"
365
00:15:08,429 --> 00:15:11,606
and "the woman is dangerous."
366
00:15:11,823 --> 00:15:15,653
So, rebellious kid
changes name,
367
00:15:15,871 --> 00:15:20,310
blows through thousands
on fringe wellness regimen?
368
00:15:20,528 --> 00:15:22,530
Mom kills to shut it down?
369
00:15:24,401 --> 00:15:27,883
It's not perfect, but it's
the beginning of a narrative.
370
00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:34,977
An illegally purchased handgun
a week before the murder,
371
00:15:35,195 --> 00:15:37,806
the victim's blood
on the defendant's jacket,
372
00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:41,244
emails detailing
Carol Massey's anger
373
00:15:41,462 --> 00:15:44,117
at her daughter's spending
at Emily Starr's center--
374
00:15:44,334 --> 00:15:47,772
the state has a preponderance
of evidence
375
00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:52,603
linking Carol Massey
to this horrific crime...
376
00:15:52,821 --> 00:15:54,605
which ended the life
377
00:15:54,823 --> 00:15:56,390
of an innocent young woman.
378
00:16:01,264 --> 00:16:05,094
Everything Mr. Price said,
absolutely true.
379
00:16:05,312 --> 00:16:08,054
The evidence against my client
is crystal clear.
380
00:16:08,271 --> 00:16:10,012
What's not clear?
381
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:13,668
Why Carol Massey had to commit
this horrific crime.
382
00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:16,062
Well, I'll tell you--
because Emily Starr is not,
383
00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:19,543
as Mr. Price would have you
believe, an innocent woman.
384
00:16:19,761 --> 00:16:23,199
She was instead
a deadly, imminent threat
385
00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:26,159
to the defendant's daughter,
Lauren Massey.
386
00:16:26,376 --> 00:16:29,858
20-year-old Lauren
nearly died under Emily Starr's
387
00:16:30,032 --> 00:16:31,642
so-called care
388
00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:34,210
and would have died
389
00:16:34,428 --> 00:16:36,517
had Carol Massey not acted.
390
00:16:36,734 --> 00:16:38,562
My client only
killed Emily Starr
391
00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:41,477
to save her daughter's life.
392
00:16:41,478 --> 00:16:44,133
This was an incontrovertible
defense of others.
393
00:16:44,351 --> 00:16:45,481
Objection.
394
00:16:45,482 --> 00:16:48,094
Your Honor,
this is unfair surprise.
395
00:16:48,311 --> 00:16:49,878
Chambers.
396
00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:52,663
Emily Starr was unarmed
when she was shot.
397
00:16:52,881 --> 00:16:54,317
We're not saying she was
a threat to Carol Massey.
398
00:16:54,535 --> 00:16:56,232
She was an imminent threat
to Lauren.
399
00:16:56,450 --> 00:16:57,886
Who was nowhere near
the crime scene.
400
00:16:58,060 --> 00:17:00,845
Your Honor, Lauren Massey
has not responded to us,
401
00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,805
but we can confirm
that she was 3 miles
402
00:17:04,023 --> 00:17:05,720
from the shooting that night.
- Is this true?
403
00:17:05,937 --> 00:17:07,200
It's irrelevant
to our defense.
404
00:17:07,417 --> 00:17:08,766
Your Honor,
Lauren Massey suffers from
405
00:17:08,984 --> 00:17:10,986
acute lymphocytic leukemia.
406
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,422
She won't respond to Mr. Price
407
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,814
'cause she was in the hospital,
408
00:17:13,815 --> 00:17:16,209
finally receiving
proper medical care.
409
00:17:16,426 --> 00:17:20,082
Uh, Your Honor, Section
35.15, New York State Code,
410
00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,693
mandates that defense
of others can only be invoked
411
00:17:22,911 --> 00:17:26,915
to stop the use of unlawful
physical force against someone.
412
00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:29,047
Physical harm
was a component.
413
00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:31,224
Emily Starr made
Lauren Massey forsake
414
00:17:31,441 --> 00:17:32,877
lifesaving medical treatment.
415
00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,879
But her advice
wasn't unlawful,
416
00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,404
and the defendant was too far
from her daughter at the time
417
00:17:37,621 --> 00:17:39,188
of the shooting
to possibly meet
418
00:17:39,406 --> 00:17:40,929
the reasonable belief standard
419
00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:43,540
that her daughter's death
was imminent.
420
00:17:43,758 --> 00:17:46,021
Your Honor, we will present
science to show her death
421
00:17:46,195 --> 00:17:47,413
was imminent.
422
00:17:47,414 --> 00:17:49,546
Due to Emily Starr's
reckless remedies,
423
00:17:49,764 --> 00:17:52,201
Lauren Massey was
on the brink of death
424
00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:54,247
until her mother intervened.
425
00:17:56,423 --> 00:17:58,207
I'll allow.
426
00:18:00,340 --> 00:18:02,690
The defense is
totally meritless,
427
00:18:02,907 --> 00:18:06,128
but we need to be ready
for whatever accusations
428
00:18:06,346 --> 00:18:08,826
they throw at the victim.
429
00:18:09,044 --> 00:18:12,178
So what did Emily Starr
actually say about cancer?
430
00:18:15,485 --> 00:18:20,316
"Juicing cleanses the body
of toxins and fights disease,"
431
00:18:20,534 --> 00:18:24,668
and "Rebalancing the body's
pH level can kill cancer."
432
00:18:24,886 --> 00:18:27,671
pH level. That is a nice touch.
433
00:18:27,889 --> 00:18:31,197
So Emily Starr peddled
in unproven remedies,
434
00:18:31,414 --> 00:18:33,547
and a teenager ended up
dangerously sick.
435
00:18:33,764 --> 00:18:36,550
Yeah, but Emily didn't use
physical force against Lauren.
436
00:18:36,767 --> 00:18:38,769
It doesn't meet the legal
standard of the defense.
437
00:18:38,987 --> 00:18:41,207
It may not matter
to the jury.
438
00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:42,904
Defense is gonna have
a field day presenting
439
00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,819
Emily's homeopathic nonsense.
440
00:18:45,036 --> 00:18:46,734
They will go for
jury nullification
441
00:18:46,951 --> 00:18:51,826
and force us to defend
her pH juice cleanses.
442
00:18:52,043 --> 00:18:54,437
Nolan, just so you know,
443
00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:57,136
I don't think homeopathy
is nonsense,
444
00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:59,660
and I'm gonna bet
there are a few jury members
445
00:18:59,877 --> 00:19:01,227
who are just like me.
446
00:19:01,444 --> 00:19:04,360
I actually followed
Emily Starr.
447
00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:06,754
You can't just dismiss
an entire field.
448
00:19:06,971 --> 00:19:09,452
As it pertains to this case,
449
00:19:09,670 --> 00:19:11,715
the defense will paint
Emily Starr
450
00:19:11,933 --> 00:19:13,717
as a deadly
snake oil saleswoman,
451
00:19:13,935 --> 00:19:16,633
and they will argue that
the stakes for Lauren Massey,
452
00:19:16,851 --> 00:19:19,680
who is battling a serious
leukemia, were life and death.
453
00:19:19,897 --> 00:19:21,377
It's not gonna be hard
for the defense
454
00:19:21,595 --> 00:19:24,119
to garner sympathy
for the mom of a cancer victim.
455
00:19:26,077 --> 00:19:27,209
Okay.
456
00:19:27,427 --> 00:19:29,255
So we remind the jury
457
00:19:29,472 --> 00:19:31,344
that this is about free speech,
458
00:19:31,561 --> 00:19:33,215
that it's about
guarding care options
459
00:19:33,433 --> 00:19:34,825
they may very well want.
460
00:19:35,043 --> 00:19:37,219
We defend Emily's integrity
461
00:19:37,437 --> 00:19:40,266
and we make damn sure
she's sympathetic as well.
462
00:19:43,356 --> 00:19:45,836
Healing others was
her life's calling.
463
00:19:46,054 --> 00:19:47,229
She wanted people to know
they had choices
464
00:19:47,447 --> 00:19:48,578
outside of the establishment.
465
00:19:48,796 --> 00:19:50,189
How did she help you?
466
00:19:50,406 --> 00:19:51,407
I was an addict.
467
00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:53,061
Opioids.
468
00:19:53,235 --> 00:19:54,541
She walked me through detox,
469
00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:56,369
gave me natural remedies
for the pain,
470
00:19:56,586 --> 00:19:58,632
sat with me
through the worst of it.
471
00:19:58,849 --> 00:20:00,895
Did Emily ever prevent you
getting a second opinion
472
00:20:01,112 --> 00:20:02,330
from a real doctor?
473
00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:04,246
No, but I've honestly
been so healthy
474
00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:06,292
it hasn't even crossed my mind.
475
00:20:06,509 --> 00:20:08,816
I owe everything
to her guidance.
476
00:20:09,033 --> 00:20:10,296
Nothing further.
477
00:20:13,386 --> 00:20:16,389
How much did
Emily's guidance cost?
478
00:20:16,606 --> 00:20:18,042
I can't say exactly.
479
00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:19,435
Ballpark.
Last year,
480
00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:21,131
how much did she make?
481
00:20:21,132 --> 00:20:23,222
I mean, you had access
to her business statements.
482
00:20:23,439 --> 00:20:25,920
- It was around 700,000.
- Wow.
483
00:20:26,137 --> 00:20:27,574
But her company earnings
allowed her
484
00:20:27,791 --> 00:20:30,446
to grow her platform,
reach more people.
485
00:20:30,664 --> 00:20:33,101
How much money did
Emily make off Lauren Massey,
486
00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:34,711
the defendant's daughter?
487
00:20:34,929 --> 00:20:36,582
I'm not sure.
488
00:20:36,583 --> 00:20:40,804
Your Honor, I'm handing over
what has been marked exhibit A,
489
00:20:41,022 --> 00:20:43,851
Lauren Massey's payment records
to Starr Serenity Center.
490
00:20:44,765 --> 00:20:47,202
Would you read aloud
the total amount?
491
00:20:47,376 --> 00:20:49,683
$23,204.
492
00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:52,033
23,000.
493
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,253
Was that for high-tech
machines, CT scans,
494
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:56,342
MRIs, cutting-edge medicine?
495
00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:58,518
She offered a full
homeopathic regimen of juice,
496
00:20:58,735 --> 00:21:00,346
herbal teas, enemas, exercise--
497
00:21:00,563 --> 00:21:03,262
Were you aware that doctors,
people with actual
498
00:21:03,479 --> 00:21:05,655
medical degrees
who study cancer,
499
00:21:05,873 --> 00:21:09,790
had given Lauren an 85% to 100%
long-term survival rate
500
00:21:10,007 --> 00:21:11,748
if she underwent chemo
and radiation?
501
00:21:11,966 --> 00:21:13,794
But that if her cancer
went untreated
502
00:21:14,011 --> 00:21:16,231
by those tested therapies,
503
00:21:16,405 --> 00:21:17,580
they estimated
504
00:21:17,798 --> 00:21:18,973
that she had only a year
to live?
505
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:20,366
I don't think--
506
00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:22,237
Your Honor,
Mr. Sirianni's questions
507
00:21:22,411 --> 00:21:23,978
are outside the scope
of the witness's testimony.
508
00:21:24,195 --> 00:21:25,458
Withdrawn.
509
00:21:27,938 --> 00:21:29,157
But...
510
00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:31,028
just so I can completely
wrap my head
511
00:21:31,246 --> 00:21:32,378
around the finances,
512
00:21:32,595 --> 00:21:34,380
true or false:
513
00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:36,773
Emily Starr asked Lauren Massey
514
00:21:36,991 --> 00:21:40,081
to pay her $23,000
515
00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:41,822
to be killed slowly
within a year?
516
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:43,737
- Objection.
- Withdrawn.
517
00:21:43,954 --> 00:21:45,086
Nothing further.
518
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,622
Get this--
"Influencer's followers
519
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,755
sing her holistic praises."
520
00:22:01,972 --> 00:22:04,714
Emily Starr's subscribers
list is growing.
521
00:22:04,932 --> 00:22:07,717
Her followers are making
TikTok testimonials.
522
00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:10,241
After the defense
painted her as a crook?
523
00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:12,505
Guess all press
is good press.
524
00:22:12,722 --> 00:22:14,333
Not according to
the oncology community.
525
00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:15,899
They're up in arms
about all this
526
00:22:16,117 --> 00:22:18,032
anti-science wellness stuff.
527
00:22:18,249 --> 00:22:21,601
They have officially
denounced Emily, her center,
528
00:22:21,818 --> 00:22:24,865
and 18,000 other
TikTok influencers
529
00:22:25,082 --> 00:22:27,737
whose cancer cures
have no basis in science.
530
00:22:27,955 --> 00:22:29,565
18,000? That's a lot.
531
00:22:29,783 --> 00:22:31,001
Yeah, it is.
532
00:22:32,742 --> 00:22:35,484
And that could be useful.
533
00:22:41,142 --> 00:22:43,362
And when did you learn
that Lauren had decided
534
00:22:43,579 --> 00:22:47,017
on Emily Starr's
so-called therapy?
535
00:22:47,235 --> 00:22:50,369
Lauren missed a follow-up
with her oncologist,
536
00:22:50,586 --> 00:22:52,196
so I called her.
537
00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:57,463
She said big business
had caused her cancer.
538
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,640
She didn't want big pharma
to profit off her treatment.
539
00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:02,468
She told us she was
changing her name
540
00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:05,427
to reflect this new outlook--
541
00:23:05,645 --> 00:23:07,603
Lauren Hope.
542
00:23:07,821 --> 00:23:09,605
And, uh, she didn't want
my dangerous
543
00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:11,781
and doom-filled advice.
544
00:23:11,999 --> 00:23:14,654
I was so confused.
545
00:23:14,871 --> 00:23:18,005
And then eventually
we found a credit card bill
546
00:23:18,222 --> 00:23:21,400
for Starr Serenity Center
and figured out
547
00:23:21,574 --> 00:23:23,227
who Emily Starr was.
548
00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:24,968
And what was the status
of Lauren's cancer
549
00:23:25,186 --> 00:23:26,187
during this time?
550
00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:27,927
We didn't know.
551
00:23:27,928 --> 00:23:31,410
But last June, we got
a phone call from an ambulance.
552
00:23:31,627 --> 00:23:33,586
Lauren had collapsed
in a store.
553
00:23:33,803 --> 00:23:36,153
At the hospital
we got her an MRI,
554
00:23:36,371 --> 00:23:40,244
and the cancer,
it was all over her insides.
555
00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,596
It was just eating her away.
556
00:23:43,813 --> 00:23:46,425
And we thought this would
snap her back to her senses,
557
00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:51,255
but Emily told her it was
a natural cleansing stage,
558
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,607
that what she needed
was rest at the center.
559
00:23:56,217 --> 00:23:59,046
My husband and I had
four different oncologists
560
00:23:59,263 --> 00:24:00,526
look at Lauren's scans,
561
00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:01,962
and they all said
the same thing--
562
00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:04,355
that she would be
dead within months.
563
00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:06,009
Did you give this
information to Lauren?
564
00:24:06,227 --> 00:24:07,663
We couldn't.
565
00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:10,187
Emily told her to avoid
upsetting contact.
566
00:24:10,405 --> 00:24:12,059
I couldn't find her
at her dorm.
567
00:24:12,276 --> 00:24:14,627
I didn't know if she was
at the center or on a trip.
568
00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:19,153
All I knew was that
she was gonna die very soon.
569
00:24:22,896 --> 00:24:24,288
Nothing further.
570
00:24:27,901 --> 00:24:30,773
Mrs. Massey, um,
571
00:24:30,991 --> 00:24:32,253
I--
572
00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:35,604
I can only imagine
how stressful it is
573
00:24:35,822 --> 00:24:37,911
to have a sick child,
and I applaud your efforts
574
00:24:38,128 --> 00:24:39,390
to get her the best treatment.
575
00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:40,566
Thank you.
576
00:24:40,783 --> 00:24:43,090
She had chemo
577
00:24:43,307 --> 00:24:44,831
and radiation, correct?
578
00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:46,572
At the start, yes.
579
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:50,489
So your daughter
was well-versed
580
00:24:50,706 --> 00:24:52,839
in the care options available,
581
00:24:53,056 --> 00:24:55,189
and yet she chose
something else.
582
00:24:55,406 --> 00:24:59,280
No, she was led to believe
that this juice option
583
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,370
could be as effective
as radiation and chemo.
584
00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:05,982
And then Emily told her
that she was better.
585
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,202
That--that's not a choice,
that's a con.
586
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:15,209
You admit freely
to shooting Emily Starr?
587
00:25:15,426 --> 00:25:16,732
I do.
588
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:18,908
Right, because of
the dangerous advice
589
00:25:19,126 --> 00:25:20,257
she gave your daughter?
590
00:25:20,475 --> 00:25:21,868
Yes.
591
00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:25,698
Did you know, Mrs. Massey,
that just last year,
592
00:25:25,915 --> 00:25:28,744
over 18,000 wellness advisors
593
00:25:28,962 --> 00:25:32,879
recommended alternatives
to chemo and radiation?
594
00:25:33,096 --> 00:25:34,533
Would you kill them all?
595
00:25:36,404 --> 00:25:38,449
Those thousands
didn't shut my daughter
596
00:25:38,624 --> 00:25:39,973
away from her parents.
597
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,279
Is that what this is about?
598
00:25:42,497 --> 00:25:45,631
Anger that Emily Starr
assumed your role?
599
00:25:47,328 --> 00:25:48,763
No.
600
00:25:48,764 --> 00:25:50,461
Is that why you could think
of no other remedy
601
00:25:50,636 --> 00:25:51,766
but to shoot her?
602
00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:53,813
I just went there
to scare her,
603
00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:56,685
to beg her
to leave Lauren alone.
604
00:25:56,903 --> 00:25:58,774
With a loaded gun
that you had driven
605
00:25:58,992 --> 00:26:00,559
across state lines to purchase?
606
00:26:00,776 --> 00:26:03,649
Lauren needed treatment.
She needed a doctor.
607
00:26:03,866 --> 00:26:05,999
Emily walked away.
608
00:26:06,216 --> 00:26:09,045
Her spell over my daughter,
it needed to be broken.
609
00:26:09,263 --> 00:26:11,308
My baby was gonna die.
I wasn't gonna let that happen.
610
00:26:11,526 --> 00:26:14,181
So, yes, I--I shot her.
611
00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:24,147
Nothing further.
612
00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:25,714
Let's adjourn for the day.
613
00:26:27,934 --> 00:26:30,763
The jury knows
the mom legally overstepped.
614
00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:32,503
I'm just not sure they care.
615
00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:35,855
She was very sympathetic.
616
00:26:36,072 --> 00:26:37,204
What,
you're assuming the jury
617
00:26:37,421 --> 00:26:39,162
can't keep their emotions
out of this?
618
00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:42,513
No, I'm assuming they think
the mother was suffering
619
00:26:42,688 --> 00:26:44,515
some sort of extreme
emotional distress
620
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:46,343
when she was confronted
with how dangerously
621
00:26:46,561 --> 00:26:47,910
her daughter's cancer
had spread.
622
00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:51,087
The girl was on
the precipice of death.
623
00:26:51,305 --> 00:26:54,351
Okay, Nolan,
don't go soft on me.
624
00:26:54,569 --> 00:26:56,178
Okay? Not now.
625
00:26:56,179 --> 00:26:58,704
Look, I--I'm truly sorry for
what that woman went through,
626
00:26:58,921 --> 00:27:00,575
but no way did
she lose her cool.
627
00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:04,361
Well,
628
00:27:04,579 --> 00:27:05,624
get ready to contend
629
00:27:05,841 --> 00:27:08,931
with another
sympathetic witness.
630
00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:11,020
Lauren Massey's out
of the hospital.
631
00:27:15,459 --> 00:27:17,287
Lauren, thank you
for coming today.
632
00:27:17,505 --> 00:27:19,768
I know it took a lot
to get here.
633
00:27:19,986 --> 00:27:21,204
It did.
634
00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:24,077
But I'm just grateful
to be alive,
635
00:27:24,294 --> 00:27:26,688
and I owe it to my mother.
636
00:27:26,906 --> 00:27:29,865
Lauren, the jury has heard
about Emily Starr's regimen,
637
00:27:30,083 --> 00:27:32,128
and there's been some
speculation as to how and why
638
00:27:32,346 --> 00:27:33,869
you came to follow her advice.
639
00:27:34,087 --> 00:27:36,959
Could you tell us
in your own words?
640
00:27:39,614 --> 00:27:43,226
I hated being a girl
with a disease.
641
00:27:43,444 --> 00:27:46,403
Emily made it seem like
642
00:27:46,621 --> 00:27:48,928
there was an easy way
to get better.
643
00:27:49,145 --> 00:27:53,759
The things the oncologist
had told me
644
00:27:53,976 --> 00:27:56,500
didn't seem real.
645
00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,981
Emily preyed upon that,
646
00:27:59,199 --> 00:28:02,158
then made sure hers was
the only voice I heard.
647
00:28:02,376 --> 00:28:04,857
Told me my cancer was gone.
648
00:28:06,902 --> 00:28:09,209
Do you understand
how crazy that is?
649
00:28:10,906 --> 00:28:12,995
Did you show them the scans
650
00:28:13,213 --> 00:28:14,693
of what was going on inside me,
651
00:28:14,867 --> 00:28:17,696
the scans she prevented me
from seeing?
652
00:28:20,002 --> 00:28:22,701
Thank God for my mother,
653
00:28:22,918 --> 00:28:24,746
or I wouldn't be here.
654
00:28:26,487 --> 00:28:27,793
Thank you, Lauren.
655
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:29,664
Nothing further.
656
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:40,719
Lauren...
657
00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:44,723
I know you have
been through a lot
658
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:48,335
and clearly
659
00:28:48,552 --> 00:28:50,467
love your mother very much.
660
00:28:50,685 --> 00:28:52,164
I do.
661
00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:54,515
And you express dismay
that Emily had lied to you,
662
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:56,430
so I wanna give you a chance
to be honest.
663
00:28:56,647 --> 00:28:58,954
You were 19 when you decided
to stop chemo
664
00:28:59,172 --> 00:29:00,739
and follow Emily's
health recommendations?
665
00:29:00,956 --> 00:29:02,522
Yes.
666
00:29:02,523 --> 00:29:06,483
Of legal age to make medical
decisions for yourself?
667
00:29:06,701 --> 00:29:08,180
Yes.
668
00:29:08,181 --> 00:29:11,184
Did Emily ever tell you
she had medical training?
669
00:29:12,315 --> 00:29:13,534
No.
670
00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:17,233
And you understood
that your doctor
671
00:29:17,451 --> 00:29:21,672
had recommended
chemo and radiation?
672
00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:23,457
Yes.
673
00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:28,636
Did Emily Starr
674
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,551
ever lock you in a room?
675
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:36,252
No, but she restrained me
676
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:38,037
psychologically.
677
00:29:38,254 --> 00:29:41,257
Told me to cut ties
with anyone negative--
678
00:29:41,475 --> 00:29:44,130
my parents, my doctor.
679
00:29:44,347 --> 00:29:48,743
She said their fearmongering
would make my cancer worse.
680
00:29:48,917 --> 00:29:52,399
And you believed her?
681
00:29:55,619 --> 00:29:57,404
When you're sick,
682
00:29:57,621 --> 00:30:01,408
you want it to go away
so badly.
683
00:30:02,713 --> 00:30:04,280
Any liar can own you.
684
00:30:06,456 --> 00:30:09,938
My actual doctor,
he's not allowed to lie.
685
00:30:10,156 --> 00:30:11,810
You all won't let him.
686
00:30:11,984 --> 00:30:14,987
He had to tell me the treatment
was going to be awful.
687
00:30:17,728 --> 00:30:21,254
Why was Emily allowed
to say anything?
688
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:25,911
It almost cost me my life.
689
00:30:27,956 --> 00:30:31,917
I'm only better now because
I finally saw the MRIs.
690
00:30:32,134 --> 00:30:34,528
I saw proof that
my cancer had gotten worse
691
00:30:34,745 --> 00:30:37,574
under Emily's care.
692
00:30:37,792 --> 00:30:39,925
In all of this,
693
00:30:40,142 --> 00:30:42,188
my mother was
the only person
694
00:30:42,405 --> 00:30:45,234
willing to fight for me,
695
00:30:45,452 --> 00:30:47,280
to save me.
696
00:30:49,021 --> 00:30:51,588
Please,
697
00:30:51,806 --> 00:30:53,852
don't punish her.
698
00:31:01,337 --> 00:31:03,122
Nothing further.
699
00:31:18,528 --> 00:31:21,053
Tough witness.
700
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:24,317
Push too hard
and it backfires.
701
00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:27,233
I can tell the jury
feels really sorry
702
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:29,322
for the daughter and the mom.
703
00:31:29,539 --> 00:31:31,759
And frankly, Sam, I'm--
704
00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:34,109
I'm feeling it myself.
705
00:31:34,327 --> 00:31:36,503
It doesn't justify murder.
706
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,985
A TikTok star convincing
a teenager with cancer
707
00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:42,857
to forgo life-saving treatment,
that is bad enough.
708
00:31:43,031 --> 00:31:44,859
But preventing the girl
from receiving
709
00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:47,688
critical medical information
from an actual oncologist
710
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:49,255
after she collapsed?
711
00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:51,910
All she did was tell Lauren
to stay off email.
712
00:31:52,127 --> 00:31:54,477
And to avoid speaking
with her parents.
713
00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:57,002
That's not free speech, Sam.
That's coercion.
714
00:31:57,219 --> 00:31:58,742
Emily Starr assumed
a duty of care
715
00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,920
when Lauren was at her center,
and she violated it.
716
00:32:02,137 --> 00:32:04,835
So what, now you're saying
that the mother was reasonable
717
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,707
in believing that
this was the only way
718
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,013
to save her daughter's life?
719
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:10,319
Reasonable? No.
720
00:32:10,537 --> 00:32:12,931
Understandable?
721
00:32:13,148 --> 00:32:16,630
Nolan, what happened to
"the law is your compass"?
722
00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:24,072
My mother died
of breast cancer.
723
00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:26,596
I'm so sorry. I--
724
00:32:26,814 --> 00:32:29,643
The treatments,
they were pretty brutal.
725
00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:31,819
She'd always been high-octane.
726
00:32:31,993 --> 00:32:32,907
She was a lawyer.
727
00:32:33,081 --> 00:32:35,736
She was a damn good one.
728
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:39,000
She hated being so drained.
729
00:32:39,218 --> 00:32:42,482
And then she started reading
about homeopathic treatments.
730
00:32:44,049 --> 00:32:45,964
Eventually, she fell
for the hope pitch,
731
00:32:46,181 --> 00:32:47,573
stopped chemo for a few months.
732
00:32:47,574 --> 00:32:49,837
She got her hair back.
She got some energy back.
733
00:32:50,011 --> 00:32:53,493
But that cost her...
734
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:56,583
a year of her life.
735
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,674
When you are that sick,
you are vulnerable.
736
00:33:02,284 --> 00:33:03,633
Yeah.
737
00:33:05,113 --> 00:33:07,159
But we need to get
justice for Emily.
738
00:33:07,376 --> 00:33:08,987
Yes.
739
00:33:09,204 --> 00:33:13,556
But man one and 15 years
is not a terrible outcome.
740
00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:16,255
I'm not sure it's the just
or appropriate outcome.
741
00:33:16,472 --> 00:33:18,474
Well, you wanna risk
losing this whole thing
742
00:33:18,692 --> 00:33:20,694
to jury nullification?
743
00:33:25,394 --> 00:33:28,049
I'll set up a meeting.
744
00:33:28,267 --> 00:33:30,921
Man one is
a good offer, Carol.
745
00:33:32,488 --> 00:33:34,751
But it's an admission
of guilt.
746
00:33:34,969 --> 00:33:37,015
You killed an unarmed woman.
747
00:33:37,232 --> 00:33:39,408
I saved my daughter's life.
748
00:33:39,626 --> 00:33:41,019
And I stand by the fact that
749
00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:43,586
Emily Starr's actions
were deadly.
750
00:33:43,804 --> 00:33:45,458
Mrs. Massey, I am sympathetic
751
00:33:45,675 --> 00:33:48,026
to the horrible situation
that you faced.
752
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,030
That's why we're here with
an offer, a very fair offer.
753
00:33:52,247 --> 00:33:54,032
If you decline,
754
00:33:54,206 --> 00:33:55,771
the charge goes back
to murder two,
755
00:33:55,772 --> 00:33:59,472
which carries a minimum
sentence of 15 years to life.
756
00:34:01,952 --> 00:34:03,519
Think about Lauren.
757
00:34:03,737 --> 00:34:05,260
Your daughter needs you.
758
00:34:05,478 --> 00:34:06,696
I am thinking about Lauren,
759
00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:08,785
and all the other Laurens
out there.
760
00:34:09,003 --> 00:34:11,440
Emily Starr's
business is booming.
761
00:34:11,658 --> 00:34:12,659
This is dangerous.
762
00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:14,269
People need to know the truth.
763
00:34:15,618 --> 00:34:18,056
Seems like
a pretty emphatic no.
764
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:19,144
Come on.
765
00:34:28,588 --> 00:34:33,071
The verdict is
a toss-up at best.
766
00:34:33,245 --> 00:34:35,421
I feel sorry for her,
but I don't want anyone
767
00:34:35,638 --> 00:34:38,076
to walk for a crime like this.
768
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:41,862
If the jury is leaning
into sympathy and emotion,
769
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,124
let's play the game.
770
00:34:43,342 --> 00:34:44,778
Meaning?
771
00:34:44,995 --> 00:34:46,780
Emily had battled
cancer herself, right?
772
00:34:46,997 --> 00:34:49,913
She went through
the same fear, same struggle.
773
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:51,741
You wanna call
a rebuttal witness?
774
00:34:51,959 --> 00:34:53,961
Someone to remind the jury
that Emily had
775
00:34:54,135 --> 00:34:57,921
legitimate personal reasons for
her unusual recommendations,
776
00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,923
that it wasn't about greed.
777
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:03,101
It was about choices
that worked for her.
778
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:06,669
In her book, Emily writes
about her cancer support group
779
00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:08,845
back in Pennsylvania.
780
00:35:09,063 --> 00:35:10,630
I'll find them.
781
00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:17,027
I heard about the court case.
782
00:35:17,202 --> 00:35:20,161
I've just been too busy
to follow it all.
783
00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:21,814
Oh.
784
00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:24,644
I appreciate you taking
the time to meet with me.
785
00:35:24,861 --> 00:35:28,474
We're trying to paint
a full picture of Emily.
786
00:35:28,691 --> 00:35:31,259
It would be really useful
to hear about her
787
00:35:31,477 --> 00:35:33,218
back when she joined
your support group.
788
00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:37,831
Well, Emily, um...
789
00:35:38,048 --> 00:35:39,876
bundle of energy
and positivity.
790
00:35:40,094 --> 00:35:43,489
It was really
inspiring at first.
791
00:35:43,706 --> 00:35:46,579
You know, a lot of us
were battling depression,
792
00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:48,842
struggling with our families.
793
00:35:49,059 --> 00:35:51,758
I had just lost
my consulting job
794
00:35:51,975 --> 00:35:55,240
because I'd taken so much time
off for treatments.
795
00:35:55,457 --> 00:35:57,198
Couldn't stay on my feet.
796
00:35:59,374 --> 00:36:01,071
Emily got me
feeling hopeful again.
797
00:36:01,246 --> 00:36:05,815
You said it was, uh,
inspiring at first.
798
00:36:06,033 --> 00:36:07,339
Did something change?
799
00:36:07,556 --> 00:36:09,776
It's just...
800
00:36:09,993 --> 00:36:12,431
we'd all jumped in,
drinking her teas and juices
801
00:36:12,648 --> 00:36:14,433
but also doing our treatments.
802
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:18,654
We felt a little better,
but Emily--
803
00:36:18,872 --> 00:36:20,178
she had adenocarcinoma.
804
00:36:20,395 --> 00:36:21,353
Stomach cancer.
805
00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:22,702
It's brutal.
806
00:36:22,919 --> 00:36:25,531
But she never had
any weight loss,
807
00:36:25,748 --> 00:36:27,010
no abdominal pain,
808
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:29,448
never even got tired.
809
00:36:29,665 --> 00:36:33,582
I mean, Emily Starr
never did any wrong by me,
810
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,585
but don't you think
that's strange?
811
00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:41,720
Nope.
812
00:36:41,721 --> 00:36:43,462
No evidence
of any tumor tissue,
813
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:45,290
and not a single
microscopic trace
814
00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:47,292
of a cancerous cell
in her body.
815
00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:48,728
And the stomach?
816
00:36:48,945 --> 00:36:50,382
Was in excellent shape.
817
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,166
You get a chance to talk
to her diagnosing doctor?
818
00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:55,561
No hospital within 200 miles
of Emily's hometown,
819
00:36:55,778 --> 00:36:57,867
where she says she was
diagnosed with cancer,
820
00:36:58,085 --> 00:37:00,914
has a record of ever
admitting her for anything.
821
00:37:01,131 --> 00:37:04,222
Well, then I'm gonna say
she didn't beat cancer.
822
00:37:04,439 --> 00:37:05,919
She never had it.
823
00:37:08,704 --> 00:37:10,358
- Thank you.
- Thanks.
824
00:37:16,712 --> 00:37:20,847
Emily's whole
foundational story was a lie?
825
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,155
Jury is gonna loathe her,
826
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,680
and quite possibly
let the mom walk.
827
00:37:27,897 --> 00:37:30,465
Wait, why does
the jury need to know?
828
00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:32,772
This doesn't meet
the Brady standard.
829
00:37:32,989 --> 00:37:35,340
Sam, we've been in court
defending Emily's right
830
00:37:35,557 --> 00:37:38,125
to share her theory
of self-healing.
831
00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:39,909
But it isn't exculpatory,
and it sure as hell
832
00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:41,868
doesn't give the mom
the right to gun her down.
833
00:37:42,085 --> 00:37:43,913
No, of course it doesn't.
834
00:37:44,131 --> 00:37:46,307
But it does show that
Carol Massey's mistrust
835
00:37:46,525 --> 00:37:48,091
was warranted,
that she was right to think
836
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:49,876
that she was full of crap.
837
00:37:50,093 --> 00:37:52,618
And that, in my opinion,
is favorable to the defense,
838
00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:56,143
and quite frankly,
the jury should know this.
839
00:37:56,317 --> 00:37:58,450
And so should her followers
sitting in court.
840
00:37:58,667 --> 00:38:00,800
Nolan, like you always say,
841
00:38:01,017 --> 00:38:03,455
our job is to follow the law.
842
00:38:03,672 --> 00:38:05,587
And in my opinion,
this information
843
00:38:05,805 --> 00:38:07,720
is irrelevant
to Carol Massey's defense.
844
00:38:07,937 --> 00:38:10,331
It has nothing to do with
her daughter's imminent death.
845
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:15,205
So you think
we should just sit on it?
846
00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:16,294
Yes.
847
00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:20,820
We have to.
848
00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:30,786
One thing is clear--
849
00:38:31,004 --> 00:38:34,181
Carol Massey
killed Emily Starr.
850
00:38:34,355 --> 00:38:38,228
And despite her extensive
efforts to get away with it,
851
00:38:38,403 --> 00:38:39,794
she was caught.
852
00:38:39,795 --> 00:38:41,536
Once caught, she couldn't
contest the evidence,
853
00:38:41,754 --> 00:38:43,582
so she told you
854
00:38:43,799 --> 00:38:46,324
she had to do it
because Emily Starr
855
00:38:46,498 --> 00:38:48,848
was about to kill her daughter.
856
00:38:49,065 --> 00:38:52,852
This young wellness
influencer's
857
00:38:53,069 --> 00:38:57,247
unconventional ideas were,
according to Carol Massey,
858
00:38:57,422 --> 00:38:59,162
tantamount to homicide.
859
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:01,164
Fortunately for you,
she's made your job easy
860
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,472
because the law
is crystal clear
861
00:39:04,690 --> 00:39:08,084
about what it considers
a legitimate defense of others.
862
00:39:08,302 --> 00:39:12,262
The harm averted
must be unlawful
863
00:39:12,437 --> 00:39:14,874
and imminent.
864
00:39:15,091 --> 00:39:18,617
In this case,
neither standard was met.
865
00:39:18,834 --> 00:39:22,098
The defense called
no expert to testify
866
00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:25,580
that Lauren was gonna die
that night, or even that week.
867
00:39:25,798 --> 00:39:27,365
More important,
868
00:39:27,539 --> 00:39:29,976
Emily broke no laws
869
00:39:30,193 --> 00:39:31,891
in advising Lauren.
870
00:39:32,108 --> 00:39:34,981
In fact, for seven years
as an active influencer,
871
00:39:35,198 --> 00:39:37,984
not a single civil or criminal
charge was brought against her.
872
00:39:39,812 --> 00:39:43,598
You wanna know what unlawful
physical force looks like?
873
00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,208
It's this.
874
00:39:48,951 --> 00:39:51,301
That is the person who needed
protecting that night--
875
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:54,566
a young woman walking home
from her own party
876
00:39:54,783 --> 00:39:57,873
when a gun was put to her head.
877
00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,398
And none of us could
offer her that protection,
878
00:40:00,615 --> 00:40:02,791
but we can
879
00:40:03,009 --> 00:40:06,839
offer her justice.
880
00:40:07,056 --> 00:40:10,146
It's okay to empathize and
881
00:40:10,364 --> 00:40:12,975
to sympathize
with Carol Massey.
882
00:40:13,193 --> 00:40:14,847
I do.
883
00:40:15,064 --> 00:40:19,199
But you cannot let her
get away with murder.
884
00:40:28,556 --> 00:40:31,820
Members of the jury,
have you reached a verdict?
885
00:40:32,038 --> 00:40:33,386
We have, Your Honor.
886
00:40:33,387 --> 00:40:35,868
On the count of murder
in the second degree,
887
00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:36,956
we find the defendant...
888
00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:39,219
guilty.
889
00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,526
Members of the jury,
we thank you for your service.
890
00:40:41,743 --> 00:40:43,266
We are adjourned.
891
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,834
Mom!
892
00:40:46,052 --> 00:40:47,183
I'm sorry.
893
00:40:47,401 --> 00:40:48,141
I'm so sorry.
894
00:40:53,973 --> 00:40:55,540
Mr. Price,
895
00:40:55,757 --> 00:40:57,455
we wanted to thank you
896
00:40:57,629 --> 00:40:59,805
for getting Emily justice.
897
00:41:04,287 --> 00:41:07,639
As a great prosecutor
once told me,
898
00:41:07,856 --> 00:41:10,468
a good person killing
a bad person
899
00:41:10,642 --> 00:41:12,470
is still murder.