1 00:00:06,548 --> 00:00:08,633 [mesmerizing music playing] 2 00:00:22,814 --> 00:00:23,814 [beeps] 3 00:00:26,317 --> 00:00:28,403 [Victor Conte] People joke that 4 00:00:29,195 --> 00:00:32,323 I like to blow things up just to see where all the pieces land. 5 00:00:33,491 --> 00:00:35,971 They've called me... A lot of people have called me a genius... 6 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:38,204 - [intriguing music playing] - ...but, you know, 7 00:00:38,288 --> 00:00:40,123 sometimes people call that reckless. 8 00:00:40,915 --> 00:00:44,377 This is a story that broke last week and it's been growing ever since. 9 00:00:44,461 --> 00:00:45,545 A federal grand jury 10 00:00:45,628 --> 00:00:49,549 is going to begin hearing testimony this week from some very major athletes. 11 00:00:49,632 --> 00:00:51,468 [reporter 1] Investigating Victor Conte. 12 00:00:51,551 --> 00:00:53,303 [reporters] Victor Conte. 13 00:00:53,386 --> 00:00:55,889 [reporter 2] The president of BALCO Laboratories. 14 00:00:55,972 --> 00:00:59,768 [Conte] "BALCO" is a word that's now forever in the lexicon. 15 00:00:59,851 --> 00:01:00,727 [man] BALCO. 16 00:01:00,810 --> 00:01:02,562 BALCO. 17 00:01:02,645 --> 00:01:05,148 The biggest doping scandal in sports history. 18 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:09,611 [Conte] Articles had come out saying I was a modern-day Al Capone, 19 00:01:09,694 --> 00:01:11,571 the BALCO mastermind... 20 00:01:11,654 --> 00:01:14,407 [chuckling]...Dr. Frankenstein, you know, from BALCO. 21 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:17,118 [reporter 3] They were searching for evidence, 22 00:01:17,202 --> 00:01:21,414 linking Conte to a previously undetected steroid known as THG. 23 00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:23,166 They called it The Clear. 24 00:01:23,249 --> 00:01:24,709 It is a designer steroid... 25 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:27,462 Made for the sole purpose of cheating. 26 00:01:27,545 --> 00:01:31,966 It is now a full-blown conspiracy with ties to top athletes... 27 00:01:32,050 --> 00:01:34,370 [news anchor 1] From baseball, football, track and field... 28 00:01:34,427 --> 00:01:37,514 [news anchor 2] Including home run record breaker, Barry Bonds. 29 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:38,757 [commentator] A high drive... 30 00:01:38,807 --> 00:01:41,684 [Conte] The whole investigation, in my opinion, 31 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:43,895 was all about chasing headlines. 32 00:01:43,978 --> 00:01:48,817 Unfortunately, some in professional sports are not setting much of an example. 33 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:51,945 This is about values, it's about our culture. 34 00:01:52,028 --> 00:01:56,032 Major League Baseball had a very, very serious problem with steroids. 35 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:57,408 It wasn't dealt with. 36 00:01:57,492 --> 00:01:59,577 [Conte] I knew they didn't have the evidence 37 00:01:59,661 --> 00:02:01,287 that they claimed that they had, 38 00:02:01,371 --> 00:02:05,333 and that's why I walked out into a sea of reporters and did this. 39 00:02:06,501 --> 00:02:08,044 That meant this. 40 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:10,672 [Tim Montgomery] Victor Conte is a person that can come across 41 00:02:10,755 --> 00:02:12,423 to be anybody he wants to. 42 00:02:13,007 --> 00:02:16,094 [Jeff Novitzky] I think most people who hear and see Victor Conte 43 00:02:16,177 --> 00:02:17,720 realize him for who he is, 44 00:02:17,804 --> 00:02:22,267 and that's, you know, a used car, snake oil salesman, bullshit artist. 45 00:02:22,809 --> 00:02:28,439 [Conte] It was fun, it was exciting. It was about trying to be great. 46 00:02:28,523 --> 00:02:32,277 When Marion Jones hit the finish line and won the gold medal, 47 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,654 when Barry Bonds hit all those home runs. 48 00:02:34,737 --> 00:02:36,823 [riveting music playing] 49 00:02:39,325 --> 00:02:42,620 [commentator] Bonds hits one! Deep to right field. 50 00:02:42,704 --> 00:02:45,748 The record has changed again. Barry Bonds... 51 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:48,459 [Conte] You know, any of these great accomplishments, 52 00:02:49,043 --> 00:02:51,462 those are things that I'll always be proud of. 53 00:02:52,505 --> 00:02:55,175 ["Your Sweet Love" by Lee Hazlewood playing] 54 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:15,021 ♪ Stranger's arms reach out ♪ 55 00:03:15,111 --> 00:03:16,946 ♪ To me ♪ 56 00:03:17,906 --> 00:03:21,951 ♪ 'Cause they know ♪ 57 00:03:22,035 --> 00:03:26,831 ♪ I'm so lonely ♪ 58 00:03:27,957 --> 00:03:31,753 ♪ Then my mind ♪ 59 00:03:31,836 --> 00:03:36,591 ♪ Goes back to you ♪ 60 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:41,679 ♪ Your sweet love ♪ 61 00:03:42,305 --> 00:03:45,683 ♪ Sees me through ♪ 62 00:03:49,395 --> 00:03:51,814 - [insects trilling] - [panting] 63 00:03:51,898 --> 00:03:53,983 [dog barking in distance] 64 00:03:59,822 --> 00:04:03,076 [nuanced music playing] 65 00:04:05,411 --> 00:04:08,748 Welcome to the hall of fame, or hall of shame, 66 00:04:08,831 --> 00:04:10,333 depending upon your viewpoint. 67 00:04:10,917 --> 00:04:14,921 Okay, this is one of, uh, two autographed photos 68 00:04:15,004 --> 00:04:16,089 that I have from Barry. 69 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:18,925 This one's "To Victor" and the other one is "To BALCO." 70 00:04:20,635 --> 00:04:24,514 And this is a Sports Illustrated of Marion Jones here. 71 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:27,684 This is back in the 2000 time frame. 72 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:34,607 This is Tim Montgomery at the world championships in 2001. 73 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:36,484 That was in Edmonton, Canada. 74 00:04:36,567 --> 00:04:39,487 When we started working with him, his name was Tiny Tim. 75 00:04:39,570 --> 00:04:40,989 Charlie Francis, he said, 76 00:04:41,072 --> 00:04:44,158 "Show me somebody not on steroids and I'll show you a loser." 77 00:04:44,242 --> 00:04:45,493 There is a level playing field, 78 00:04:45,576 --> 00:04:48,204 it's just not the one everyone thought it was, okay? 79 00:04:48,788 --> 00:04:51,541 [producer] A lot of these people used steroids, right? 80 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:56,879 From 1984 when I started BALCO until 2000, for 16 years, 81 00:04:56,963 --> 00:04:59,716 I never gave anybody any sort of illegal drugs. 82 00:04:59,799 --> 00:05:04,178 It was a legitimate business providing nutritional element information 83 00:05:04,262 --> 00:05:06,389 through comprehensive blood testing. 84 00:05:06,472 --> 00:05:07,765 Thank you very much. 85 00:05:07,849 --> 00:05:11,060 Yes, as Ken stated, my name is Victor Conte, 86 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:14,230 and I'm the executive director of BALCO Laboratories, 87 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:18,860 BALCO standing for, uh, Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, 88 00:05:18,943 --> 00:05:22,280 and I'm also the... the founder of something called the SNAC system. 89 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:26,743 They've called it Victor's knack, that whatever I decide to do, 90 00:05:26,826 --> 00:05:29,746 I can go straight to the top, and I taught myself. 91 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:32,999 I got a library card, 92 00:05:33,082 --> 00:05:35,418 and I pulled all these scientific journals, 93 00:05:35,501 --> 00:05:38,963 then I would read 'em all. I went across zinc and muscle strength, 94 00:05:39,047 --> 00:05:41,132 zinc and testosterone. 95 00:05:41,215 --> 00:05:44,969 I learned athletes can be low in iron, they could be lower in copper. 96 00:05:45,053 --> 00:05:48,556 Some of these deficiencies are connected with various symptoms like 97 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:51,476 muscle cramps or lack of concentration. 98 00:05:51,559 --> 00:05:53,853 And we... Hopefully, by, uh, giving some input, 99 00:05:53,936 --> 00:05:56,230 we can help the United States win a few more gold medals. 100 00:05:56,814 --> 00:06:00,526 I put together this partnership and raised money and started BALCO. 101 00:06:02,945 --> 00:06:05,531 Update on the BALCO Laboratory facility. 102 00:06:05,615 --> 00:06:09,619 There's a new building. We'll walk into the lab area. 103 00:06:11,162 --> 00:06:15,124 We started testing athletes, one led to another, and... 104 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:18,419 The first-world-class athletes that I tested were in track and field. 105 00:06:18,503 --> 00:06:22,131 And then Matt Biondi, who was the world's fastest swimmer at the time. 106 00:06:22,215 --> 00:06:25,676 So I could collect all this data that was valuable to them. 107 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,638 You know, I was kind of a natural-born promoter. 108 00:06:28,721 --> 00:06:30,640 The next thing you know, NBA players. 109 00:06:30,723 --> 00:06:34,977 I worked with the entire Seattle SuperSonics team in '92 and '93. 110 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:38,064 [sports commentator speaks indistinctly] 111 00:06:39,273 --> 00:06:43,486 But for me to actually enhance the performance of the athletes, 112 00:06:43,569 --> 00:06:45,822 I had to learn how to formulate supplements. 113 00:06:45,905 --> 00:06:50,118 So I created a whole line of mineral and trace element products 114 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:56,249 and formulated ZMA, and that... I mean, it was like a rocket ship. 115 00:06:57,542 --> 00:07:02,338 Pretty soon, Bill Romanowski showed up from the Denver Broncos. 116 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:05,091 And he... he was the gateway to the NFL for... for me. 117 00:07:05,633 --> 00:07:08,803 Then all of a sudden I had 250 NFL players. 118 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:13,933 [indistinct chatter and laughter] 119 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,854 [Conte] Are you going to assault the world record, Gregg? 120 00:07:17,937 --> 00:07:20,148 [chuckles] Mr. Zinc. Call me Zinc. 121 00:07:20,231 --> 00:07:22,191 - [Conte] Mr. Zinc. - [laughter] 122 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:26,362 [Conte] So from '84, all the way until 2000, 123 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:32,201 everything that BALCO and SNAC did was completely legal, completely clean. 124 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:35,872 No athletes were ever given any sort of performance-enhancing drug. 125 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:42,253 [chuckling] Now, were some of these guys using drugs, like shot putters? Of course. 126 00:07:42,336 --> 00:07:45,006 I just wasn't involved in... in providing those to them. 127 00:07:45,089 --> 00:07:45,923 [clapping] 128 00:07:46,007 --> 00:07:49,552 But I knew the use of performance-enhancing drugs 129 00:07:49,635 --> 00:07:52,388 in Olympic sport was rampant. 130 00:07:52,972 --> 00:07:55,099 [commentator] Carl Lewis is in lane three. 131 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,810 [Conte] In the Olympic Games in '88 in Seoul, 132 00:07:57,894 --> 00:07:59,729 of course Ben Johnson stands out. 133 00:07:59,812 --> 00:08:06,194 [commentator 1] And Johnson does it again. Unbelievable. Nine-seven-nine. 134 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:09,363 [commentator 2] New world record. Incredible. 135 00:08:10,239 --> 00:08:12,783 Now, I've just been handed a piece of paper that, if it's right, 136 00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:16,037 it'll be the most dramatic story out of these Olympics or perhaps any others. 137 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,831 Ben Johnson has been stripped of his gold medal 138 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:21,501 for testing positive to using anabolic steroids. 139 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:25,796 [reporter] He is one of the athletes under a cloud of suspicion for a while, 140 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,965 as is his coach, Charlie Francis. 141 00:08:28,049 --> 00:08:31,135 [Charlie Francis] Where you offer an athlete only two choices, 142 00:08:31,219 --> 00:08:35,723 run clean and lose or take drugs and win, then of course the choices will be clear. 143 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:38,184 [Conte] Working with elite athletes, 144 00:08:38,267 --> 00:08:42,563 I realized this is what happens at the elite level of sport. 145 00:08:42,647 --> 00:08:46,609 This is what it takes to go to the next level. 146 00:08:46,692 --> 00:08:48,194 Reports on a frightening sign 147 00:08:48,277 --> 00:08:50,404 that sports competition is being pushed too far. 148 00:08:50,488 --> 00:08:51,572 Steroids. 149 00:08:51,656 --> 00:08:54,075 [reporter] America's newest drug epidemic. 150 00:08:54,158 --> 00:08:55,910 President Bush recently signed a bill 151 00:08:55,993 --> 00:09:00,414 which, for the first time, classifies steroids as controlled substances. 152 00:09:00,915 --> 00:09:05,336 Said it's the classic dilemma between the fair play associated with sport 153 00:09:05,419 --> 00:09:06,837 and the desire to win. 154 00:09:06,921 --> 00:09:09,840 [people clamoring] 155 00:09:12,051 --> 00:09:15,596 In my experience, 80% of athletes say, 156 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:19,392 "I'm not gonna invest 10 years of my life then walk away, so give me those pills." 157 00:09:23,854 --> 00:09:25,398 [Montgomery] I hate losing. 158 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:30,653 I hate for anyone to look at me and say they beat me. 159 00:09:31,404 --> 00:09:34,156 And I think that comes from my childhood, 160 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:36,409 because they called me Tiny Tim. 161 00:09:37,785 --> 00:09:39,287 I hate the name Tiny Tim. 162 00:09:40,955 --> 00:09:42,957 I remember watching Conan the Barbarian. 163 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,640 ["Wheel of Pain" by B. Poledouris plays] 164 00:09:44,709 --> 00:09:47,128 How he pushed the wheel and he became so strong. 165 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:51,340 I would cut grass. We had an old push lawn mower. 166 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:54,510 The lawn mower was this tall, and it had a little centerpiece there, 167 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:55,970 so I'd be pushing, you know, 168 00:09:56,053 --> 00:10:00,349 and everybody was looking at me, at little Timmy push the lawn mower. 169 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:04,061 I'd push all that yard because I wanted to be like Conan the Barbarian. 170 00:10:04,145 --> 00:10:07,148 I wanted to be stronger, faster. I wanted to be everything. 171 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:12,194 So I was really, in essence, training myself for my near future. 172 00:10:13,654 --> 00:10:16,449 My goal was... was to be the best in the world, 173 00:10:16,532 --> 00:10:17,908 the greatest of all time. 174 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:22,204 [commentator] Tim Montgomery of the US may be, uh, a sleeper in this field. 175 00:10:22,288 --> 00:10:26,334 [Montgomery] In 1997, I ran nine times under ten seconds... 176 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:28,377 [commentator] Montgomery and Donovan Bailey. 177 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:31,213 ...so I knew what I could do naturally. 178 00:10:31,297 --> 00:10:32,757 I just needed more power. 179 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,592 [commentator] He's a little bit smaller. 180 00:10:34,675 --> 00:10:36,927 I think he may need to put on a few pounds, 181 00:10:37,011 --> 00:10:38,471 and I think his time is coming... 182 00:10:38,554 --> 00:10:42,391 [Montgomery] So, in 1999, I moved down to Raleigh, North Carolina, 183 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:47,146 and I started training with Trevor Graham, Marion Jones' coach. 184 00:10:48,105 --> 00:10:49,649 And the workouts was... 185 00:10:49,732 --> 00:10:51,067 Couldn't finish 'em. 186 00:10:51,567 --> 00:10:55,404 So I go to Trevor's house and he got tapes of Ben Johnson. 187 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,280 I mean... 188 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,660 I can't do no start like that. It ain't how I start. 189 00:11:00,743 --> 00:11:02,828 He's like, "No, you see that raw power?" 190 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:08,000 And that's when I was introduced to the dark side. 191 00:11:08,084 --> 00:11:09,919 Performance-enhancing drugs. 192 00:11:11,212 --> 00:11:13,005 [Conte] The Ben Johnson race, 193 00:11:13,089 --> 00:11:16,884 eventually, something like six or seven out of the eight guys 194 00:11:16,967 --> 00:11:19,970 were suspected of using performance-enhancing drugs. 195 00:11:20,596 --> 00:11:22,973 If you run at least two meters faster, 196 00:11:23,057 --> 00:11:26,227 this is the difference of 10 flat and 9-8. Okay? 197 00:11:26,310 --> 00:11:30,690 So you're... you're... A guy not on stuff is going to have a very difficult time 198 00:11:30,773 --> 00:11:32,817 competing with somebody who's on stuff. 199 00:11:34,068 --> 00:11:38,072 [Montgomery] When I got with Graham, I saw that the best was doing it. 200 00:11:38,781 --> 00:11:41,701 I assumed that this was what everybody was doing. 201 00:11:42,952 --> 00:11:47,665 [Conte] When I realized the hypocrisy of all of this, 202 00:11:47,748 --> 00:11:51,335 I decided it was time to start playing by the real rules of sport, 203 00:11:51,419 --> 00:11:54,463 and the rest is history, as they say. 204 00:11:54,547 --> 00:11:57,508 [hard rock music playing] 205 00:12:07,309 --> 00:12:11,647 [Conte] I went to a... a bodybuilding show in San Francisco, 206 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:15,276 and I was introduced to these 25 pro bodybuilders, 207 00:12:15,359 --> 00:12:17,153 all the biggest names in the sport. 208 00:12:17,236 --> 00:12:18,237 Whoo! 209 00:12:19,029 --> 00:12:22,366 [Conte] And it's the only professional sport 210 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:24,744 where the use of steroids is a mandate. 211 00:12:25,327 --> 00:12:30,541 And so I stood up to tell them we did this testing of minerals and trace elements, 212 00:12:30,624 --> 00:12:35,755 but we also have the ability to do all of the comprehensive drug testing. 213 00:12:35,838 --> 00:12:37,423 [hard rock music continues] 214 00:12:39,884 --> 00:12:42,636 [Conte] We tested those 25 bodybuilders... 215 00:12:43,471 --> 00:12:44,305 [ding] 216 00:12:44,388 --> 00:12:47,183 ...and I said, "These Winstrol tablets you think you're taking?" 217 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:49,727 "There's no Winstrol in your urine. These are fake." 218 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:56,650 That's how I became a part of that world and tried to learn about steroids. 219 00:12:57,777 --> 00:13:02,323 It was a new challenge, and that's what makes me tick. 220 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:04,408 You know, that's what got the wheels turning. 221 00:13:06,702 --> 00:13:08,204 [riveting music playing] 222 00:13:08,287 --> 00:13:09,497 [Catlin] I'm Oliver Catlin. 223 00:13:09,580 --> 00:13:14,293 I am the son of the guru of sport drug testing, Dr. Don Catlin. 224 00:13:14,376 --> 00:13:19,006 And today I am the president of Banned Substances Control Group. 225 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:25,262 In anti-doping, the level playing field is what we strive for, 226 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:28,265 but it's hard to achieve. 227 00:13:28,849 --> 00:13:32,102 Victor knew what he wanted in undetectable drugs, 228 00:13:32,186 --> 00:13:34,313 but he didn't know how to make those himself, 229 00:13:34,396 --> 00:13:38,275 and that's where the skill set of Patrick Arnold as a chemist came in. 230 00:13:38,776 --> 00:13:41,654 [Conte] At the Mr. Olympia Expo in Las Vegas 231 00:13:41,737 --> 00:13:43,364 is where I met Patrick Arnold, 232 00:13:43,447 --> 00:13:45,199 and he just said he had some stuff 233 00:13:45,282 --> 00:13:47,326 that seemed to, you know, help with recovery. 234 00:13:47,409 --> 00:13:51,247 He didn't really even tell me what it was. And so I bought a bottle of it from him. 235 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:54,208 It was a clear liquid, you used an eyedropper 236 00:13:54,291 --> 00:13:57,545 and you put drops under your tongue. It was sublingual absorption. 237 00:13:58,128 --> 00:14:01,048 Took it myself and it felt great. 238 00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:04,385 And then I did some testing on it, 239 00:14:04,468 --> 00:14:08,722 where I measured my testosterone the next day, the next day and the next. 240 00:14:09,598 --> 00:14:13,435 And I realized, "Boy, this stuff acts like an anabolic steroid." 241 00:14:15,604 --> 00:14:20,234 Many of the steroids had been built by pharmaceuticals and just not used, 242 00:14:20,317 --> 00:14:23,737 but when we got to BALCO, new drugs were literally created. 243 00:14:24,613 --> 00:14:28,868 Patrick bubbled hydrogen through gestrinone, a birth control pill, 244 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:34,123 and it turned into one of the most anabolic steroids that was ever created. 245 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,045 [Conte] Then when I did the comprehensive drug testing, it came back as clean. 246 00:14:40,588 --> 00:14:42,006 - [ding] - It was undetectable. 247 00:14:42,089 --> 00:14:43,424 Oh, shit, you know? 248 00:14:43,507 --> 00:14:45,050 Then the light bulb went on. 249 00:14:45,968 --> 00:14:48,804 [Catlin] And I think he saw performance-enhancing drugs 250 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:52,057 that were undetectable were a much quicker avenue 251 00:14:52,141 --> 00:14:55,477 than the legitimate nutrition products that he was selling. 252 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,690 That's when I started giving it to athletes, at the beginning of 2000. 253 00:15:11,785 --> 00:15:12,785 How about this? 254 00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:15,205 [producer] What do you got? 255 00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:21,253 This is Marion Jones at the, uh, 2000 Olympics in Sydney 256 00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:25,507 that they opened up where she wins by something like four meters. 257 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:30,429 That just shows you the type of dominance that Marion had at that time. 258 00:15:33,349 --> 00:15:37,561 Going into the 2000 Summer Olympics, Marion Jones was the golden girl. 259 00:15:37,645 --> 00:15:39,355 [commentator 1] ...Jones taking command. 260 00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:41,148 [commentator 2] She has yet to be beaten. 261 00:15:41,231 --> 00:15:43,911 [commentator 3] Her goal this year, she'll say it: To be undefeated. 262 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:44,985 She's a competitor. 263 00:15:45,653 --> 00:15:48,238 Marion Jones is making three million dollars a year. 264 00:15:48,322 --> 00:15:52,534 In Sydney, she's going for five medals, trying to be the greatest of all time. 265 00:15:52,618 --> 00:15:55,120 The only time I even consider the quest for five 266 00:15:55,204 --> 00:15:56,997 is when people mention it. [laughs] 267 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:00,709 [Conte] She had sponsorships with General Motors, 268 00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:05,339 American Express, Nike, you know, the commercial "Can you dig it?" 269 00:16:05,422 --> 00:16:09,218 [Jones] We need more role models. The more, the better. 270 00:16:09,301 --> 00:16:10,719 Can you dig it? 271 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,805 I had not talked with Marion, 272 00:16:12,888 --> 00:16:15,307 but had talked with her trainer, Trevor Graham. 273 00:16:15,391 --> 00:16:17,518 They were using traditional testosterone 274 00:16:17,601 --> 00:16:19,561 and EPO and growth hormone, 275 00:16:19,645 --> 00:16:22,523 and they said, "We hear you have this undetectable substance." 276 00:16:22,606 --> 00:16:24,984 "Can you help, uh, Marion Jones?" 277 00:16:25,067 --> 00:16:30,030 And immediately I realized this was a very, very big moment, 278 00:16:31,073 --> 00:16:34,243 and I sent a box of some of this stuff to them. 279 00:16:34,326 --> 00:16:37,454 [Australia's National Anthem, "Advance Australia Fair" playing] 280 00:16:38,914 --> 00:16:44,169 [woman] I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, 281 00:16:44,253 --> 00:16:50,968 committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs. 282 00:16:51,051 --> 00:16:55,973 Once we got there, we created a... a calendar for Marion. 283 00:16:56,056 --> 00:17:00,519 We determined what to take, how much to take, when to take it. 284 00:17:01,270 --> 00:17:04,106 Of course, it was all based on circumventing the testing. 285 00:17:05,232 --> 00:17:08,736 [commentator] Marion Jones has seven of the fastest 11 times ever run. 286 00:17:09,445 --> 00:17:14,616 [Conte] I got tickets to sit at the finish line of the 100 meters. 287 00:17:15,117 --> 00:17:16,577 It was insane. 288 00:17:17,786 --> 00:17:18,787 [commentator] Set. 289 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,834 Away. Pretty good start for Jones. She's in the winning position. 290 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:25,919 Early startup, pulling away slowly. 291 00:17:26,003 --> 00:17:28,464 We were shooting for the... for the top of the mountain. 292 00:17:28,547 --> 00:17:31,107 [commentator] Jones going hard. Lawrence has had a good first 50. 293 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:33,552 Jones clearly in front. Look at the margin. 294 00:17:33,635 --> 00:17:34,845 She's straining them. 295 00:17:34,928 --> 00:17:36,388 [Conte] I knew she would win, 296 00:17:36,472 --> 00:17:39,975 but I didn't think she'd blow everybody away Flo-Jo style 297 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,435 and win by four meters. 298 00:17:42,352 --> 00:17:45,064 [commentator] She absolutely annihilated them. 299 00:17:45,606 --> 00:17:49,693 [Conte] Marion ended up winning five medals at the Olympics in Sydney. 300 00:17:51,236 --> 00:17:53,822 It felt great to just be a part of her success. 301 00:17:54,406 --> 00:17:56,617 - We're done. We're done. - We're done. 302 00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:02,039 [Michael Schmidt] I think the... the thing about the BALCO investigation 303 00:18:02,539 --> 00:18:05,709 is that it brings you behind the scenes 304 00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:12,674 into largely criminal activity that was done in secret. 305 00:18:12,758 --> 00:18:17,471 And it's... it's exposing what these athletes were willing to do 306 00:18:17,554 --> 00:18:19,306 to try and succeed. 307 00:18:21,391 --> 00:18:22,684 [commentator] That one's high. 308 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:25,687 Deep right field, gone! Home run, Barry Bonds. 309 00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:27,648 [audience cheering] 310 00:18:27,731 --> 00:18:30,943 [Schmidt] Steroids were banned in baseball at the time, 311 00:18:31,026 --> 00:18:33,112 but there was no testing for them, 312 00:18:33,862 --> 00:18:37,324 and, in the late '90s into the early 2000s, 313 00:18:37,407 --> 00:18:40,661 it's just like an explosion in home runs. 314 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:43,705 [commentator] Canseco looks like the sort of a comic book hero: Huge. 315 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:45,833 Wow, did he crush that one? 316 00:18:46,333 --> 00:18:53,173 Then in 1998, there was this chase to break the single-season home run record 317 00:18:53,257 --> 00:18:56,760 between two great sluggers, Mark McGwire... 318 00:18:56,844 --> 00:18:59,680 [commentator] Number 45 for McGwire. 319 00:18:59,763 --> 00:19:00,889 [Schmidt]...and Sammy Sosa. 320 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:03,308 [commentator] One for two and he sends a rocket. Number 48. 321 00:19:03,892 --> 00:19:08,689 And it completely captivated the country. 322 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:11,775 [commentator 1] Sixty! 323 00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:15,028 [commentator 2] Can you say "66"? 324 00:19:16,238 --> 00:19:17,865 [commentator speaking indistinctly] 325 00:19:17,948 --> 00:19:24,037 Number 70! How much more can you give us than that? Number 70... 326 00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:28,292 [Schmidt] Bonds saw what Sosa and McGwire had done. 327 00:19:28,375 --> 00:19:32,796 At that point in Bonds' career, he was already a Hall of Famer. 328 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:37,676 He basically said to himself, "I know I'm better than these guys." 329 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:38,677 [man] Whoo! 330 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,723 [Schmidt] "There's no reason I shouldn't be performing at that level." 331 00:19:42,806 --> 00:19:44,933 But he was at an age 332 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:48,353 when most players' careers are on the downtick, 333 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:50,063 when they retire from the game. 334 00:19:50,147 --> 00:19:53,567 And... And I'm trying to think of, what next level can I get to? 335 00:19:53,650 --> 00:19:55,903 What... What can keep me motivated 336 00:19:55,986 --> 00:19:58,655 to do the things that I've been doing day in and day out? 337 00:19:58,739 --> 00:20:02,117 [Conte] Greg Anderson, Barry's trainer, brought him to... to BALCO. 338 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:06,330 You know, he asked if... if we could work with Barry 339 00:20:06,413 --> 00:20:10,334 and test his blood and see what nutritional elements that he may need. 340 00:20:10,417 --> 00:20:12,002 And then after providing Barry 341 00:20:12,085 --> 00:20:15,339 with a number of different legal nutritional supplements. 342 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:20,135 I've lost more championships in my life more than ever, ever. 343 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:25,349 I mean, I almost get numb at times. It just eats me up so bad. 344 00:20:25,432 --> 00:20:27,142 [Conte] In a year's time there, 345 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:29,478 Barry put on, like, 20 pounds in an off-season. 346 00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:31,688 My recollection is he weighed 208, 347 00:20:31,772 --> 00:20:34,942 and then the following season he weighed 228. 348 00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:38,695 And so we provided all sorts of nutritional supplements, 349 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:40,530 but nothing beyond that. 350 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:45,410 [producer] I think people assume you're his doctor giving steroids all the time. 351 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:48,163 Not true. He does have a personal doctor, who I met, but... 352 00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:49,289 [chuckles]...it's not me. 353 00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:51,792 I not only didn't give him The Clear or The Cream 354 00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:53,460 or any other anabolic steroids, 355 00:20:53,543 --> 00:20:58,257 but I've never even discussed steroids with him, not a word ever. 356 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:01,176 In my opinion, the entire investigation was... 357 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,178 Had everything to do with Barry Bonds. 358 00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:04,554 He was the target. 359 00:21:07,224 --> 00:21:08,809 [Novitzky] My name is Jeff Novitzky. 360 00:21:08,892 --> 00:21:12,187 I was lead investigator on the BALCO Laboratories investigation, 361 00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:15,399 one of the highest-profile performance-enhancing drug investigations 362 00:21:15,482 --> 00:21:16,482 of all time. 363 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:20,654 And I carry an immense, immense love for sport. 364 00:21:20,737 --> 00:21:23,365 Basketball, I wanted to go to the NBA until, 365 00:21:23,448 --> 00:21:24,825 maybe mid-part of college 366 00:21:24,908 --> 00:21:27,703 where you realize that's probably not in the cards. 367 00:21:28,412 --> 00:21:32,582 And after college, came across an entry from IRS criminal investigation division, 368 00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:36,712 and I'll never forget this, their motto was "Be an accountant with a gun." 369 00:21:37,713 --> 00:21:39,214 And I thought, "All right, 370 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,466 that's something I could be interested in." 371 00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:45,762 I remember sitting in a class and having a senior agent come in saying, 372 00:21:45,846 --> 00:21:48,432 "Make cases out of things that you just see around you." 373 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:50,395 "You don't need to wait for an official referral 374 00:21:50,434 --> 00:21:51,643 from Washington, D.C." 375 00:21:52,227 --> 00:21:55,897 "If you see this really nice Ferrari going down the street, 376 00:21:55,981 --> 00:21:59,818 run their plate and see if that person would be making that kind of money." 377 00:21:59,901 --> 00:22:02,779 "If they don't, then maybe you should look further into that." 378 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,534 And I started to hear in the '90s about BALCO Laboratories, 379 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:12,122 which, as the crow flies, is probably less than a mile from where I lived. 380 00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:17,210 And that, despite them claiming that they were a blood testing laboratory, 381 00:22:17,294 --> 00:22:21,340 what they were really doing is providing athletes with performance-enhancing drugs. 382 00:22:22,674 --> 00:22:26,053 One of the first things I did was query the currency transaction database, 383 00:22:26,136 --> 00:22:28,764 and saw that Victor Conte and BALCO Laboratories 384 00:22:28,847 --> 00:22:32,309 were withdrawing hundreds of thousands of dollars in currency 385 00:22:32,893 --> 00:22:35,354 for a purported blood testing laboratory. 386 00:22:35,437 --> 00:22:38,357 That, by itself, appeared suspicious and didn't seem right. 387 00:22:39,483 --> 00:22:41,360 Go on to some of the online message boards, 388 00:22:41,443 --> 00:22:44,780 and Victor Conte talks very openly about steroids 389 00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:47,282 and his knowledge of what drugs do what, 390 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:51,286 about how much they cost, about every athlete that he's worked with, 391 00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:55,207 and when I saw these athletes that were going to BALCO, 392 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:58,043 including Barry Bonds, I thought to myself, 393 00:22:58,126 --> 00:23:03,006 "This could potentially get more attention than any investigation before it, 394 00:23:03,715 --> 00:23:08,220 so we probably need to kind of expand and see who else is involved." 395 00:23:11,932 --> 00:23:15,727 My first time seeing Victor was in Sydney, 396 00:23:15,811 --> 00:23:19,314 and we partied every single day. 397 00:23:20,982 --> 00:23:22,609 Every single day. 398 00:23:22,692 --> 00:23:24,528 [chuckles] 399 00:23:24,611 --> 00:23:27,864 [Conte] At that time, he was ranked number eight in the world. 400 00:23:27,948 --> 00:23:32,035 [commentator] Men's 4 by 100 underway, and here's the handoff to Tim Montgomery 401 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,159 and the US has the lead... 402 00:23:33,203 --> 00:23:35,080 [Conte] He was one of the top guys. 403 00:23:35,163 --> 00:23:37,582 I decided it was time to take it to another level, 404 00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:39,251 and help him break the world record. 405 00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:44,589 [Montgomery] At that time, the record was 9.79, held by Maurice Greene. 406 00:23:44,673 --> 00:23:47,717 I was in that race, 1999, when he broke it in Greece. 407 00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:51,179 [commentator] Nine-seven-nine. Does that ring a bell? 408 00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:52,639 As just mentioned, Ben Johnson 409 00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:55,434 had that very same time at the '88 Olympics in Seoul, 410 00:23:55,517 --> 00:23:59,354 only to be stripped of the gold medal after testing positive. 411 00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:01,982 [Montgomery] Whoever broke the world record in the 100 meters, 412 00:24:02,065 --> 00:24:05,068 you were the fastest human ever. 413 00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:06,611 It's like a unicorn. 414 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:11,616 I told Maurice, "It's yours for now, but I'll be back to get it." 415 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:16,163 I had already run down nine-nine-two in 1997. Clean. 416 00:24:16,246 --> 00:24:17,766 [commentator] ...at the finish line... 417 00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:22,502 Once Victor understood that I had been clean, 418 00:24:23,628 --> 00:24:25,964 he said, "You're gonna break the world record." 419 00:24:26,047 --> 00:24:28,633 I told Victor Conte, "I don't care if I die." 420 00:24:29,217 --> 00:24:34,431 "I want to see what it feels like to be the greatest at any cost possible." 421 00:24:34,514 --> 00:24:36,850 It's almost like selling your soul to the devil. 422 00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:41,563 And that's when I made that decision to help Tim Montgomery 423 00:24:41,646 --> 00:24:45,317 to become the world's fastest human, and... and I took it as a challenge. 424 00:24:45,901 --> 00:24:48,028 And we were gonna call it Project World Record. 425 00:24:48,111 --> 00:24:48,987 [man] Set. 426 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:50,864 [intriguing jazz music playing] 427 00:24:50,947 --> 00:24:54,826 [Montgomery] When we got back, we were going to put together the plan. 428 00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:58,455 What do the program needs to look like 429 00:24:58,538 --> 00:25:03,627 in order to get nine-nine-two to nine-seven-five? 430 00:25:04,127 --> 00:25:08,215 So you can talk about stuff, but can you implement and achieve it? 431 00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:11,343 That's a whole 'nother... That separates the men from the boys. 432 00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:15,305 I immediately reached out to Charlie Francis, 433 00:25:15,388 --> 00:25:17,807 who was Ben Johnson's coach and he lived in Toronto, 434 00:25:17,891 --> 00:25:20,727 and then I reached out to Milos Sarcev. 435 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:22,521 They call him Milos the Mind 436 00:25:22,604 --> 00:25:24,606 because he's a very smart guy. 437 00:25:24,689 --> 00:25:27,025 In terms of the weight training program, 438 00:25:27,108 --> 00:25:31,446 Trevor Graham really was kind of the frontman as a coach. 439 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:36,451 [Montgomery] And then Victor Conte, you're behind the pharmacology. 440 00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:42,207 [Conte] Taking growth hormones, taking insulin, EPO, taking The Clear, 441 00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:44,751 and we created a... a calendar. 442 00:25:45,335 --> 00:25:46,920 [Montgomery] So when you on steroids, 443 00:25:47,003 --> 00:25:50,632 you have to have a plan that goes with the medication. 444 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:53,093 It was thrilling. 445 00:25:53,176 --> 00:25:55,804 [Conte] You know, more does not mean better. 446 00:25:55,887 --> 00:25:58,515 This is how you optimize the drugs. 447 00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:03,061 He had a system. I got me a real connect. A real doctor. 448 00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:05,939 Until I found out Victor wasn't a doctor. 449 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:09,985 [Conte] A lot of people mistakenly call me doctor. 450 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:11,987 I don't know why, 'cause I... I guess 451 00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:15,198 because I'm interpreting blood test results and I'm giving them 452 00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:18,618 the type of information that a doctor would give them, I guess. 453 00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:22,914 Most people know me as a bass player. 454 00:26:24,457 --> 00:26:27,085 I played with many groups that had albums. 455 00:26:27,168 --> 00:26:29,879 Uh, the most famous would be Tower of Power. 456 00:26:29,963 --> 00:26:32,090 ["What is Hip" by Tower of Power playing] 457 00:26:32,173 --> 00:26:35,385 ♪ The passing years would show You into a hip trip ♪ 458 00:26:35,468 --> 00:26:37,637 But I had three daughters. 459 00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:40,765 I was on the road ten months a year, 460 00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:43,852 and I'd come back and they'd be this much taller. 461 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,646 Hi, camera. 462 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:49,149 - [Conte] Well, how are you? - How are you? 463 00:26:49,232 --> 00:26:51,276 [Conte] I want you to tell me what your name is. 464 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,652 What's your name? 465 00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:54,821 [Conte] No, you tell me what's your name. 466 00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:58,158 - My name is Veronica. - [Conte] Where do you live at? 467 00:26:58,241 --> 00:27:00,327 We... I live at my house. 468 00:27:00,410 --> 00:27:04,414 My youngest memory, there were always athletes around, and oftentimes, 469 00:27:04,497 --> 00:27:07,292 the people we were going to support were making big achievements 470 00:27:07,375 --> 00:27:08,918 and so it was exciting. 471 00:27:09,002 --> 00:27:13,298 [Conte] Could you tell Daddy what the name of the place is that he works at? 472 00:27:13,381 --> 00:27:15,634 - Yeah. - [Conte] What's the name? 473 00:27:15,717 --> 00:27:17,636 It's BALCO. 474 00:27:17,719 --> 00:27:20,722 [Conte] BALCO? What is... What does BALCO do? 475 00:27:21,389 --> 00:27:23,350 You working. 476 00:27:23,433 --> 00:27:26,061 [Conte] I know, but what do I do there? What kind of work? 477 00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:30,649 So I would say in my teenage years was when I really knew, "Okay, this is..." 478 00:27:30,732 --> 00:27:32,317 "My dad's involved in the dark side." 479 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,780 And he was just open and honest with me about what was going on. 480 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,200 At the time, I knew that he was kind of the mastermind 481 00:27:40,283 --> 00:27:42,786 behind this Project World Record effort. 482 00:27:50,377 --> 00:27:52,629 [indistinct chatter] 483 00:27:52,712 --> 00:27:54,506 [Conte] Oh, this is Modesto Relays. 484 00:27:55,006 --> 00:27:57,509 This is May of 2001. 485 00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:00,053 [commentator] Tim Montgomery in two... 486 00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:03,682 That was the first race where he won in a world-leading time. 487 00:28:03,765 --> 00:28:05,475 Tim just destroyed it. 488 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:08,937 [Veronica] Tim won. Tim won! 489 00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:10,939 - [man] He did? - [Veronica] Tim won! 490 00:28:11,022 --> 00:28:12,667 - Oh my God! - [man] They're shaking hands. 491 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:15,777 [Veronica] They're shaking hands, so cute. I love this! 492 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:18,571 This is the most exciting thing I've ever experienced. 493 00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:22,075 [Conte] On the back of his shirt, it says "Project World Record." 494 00:28:22,659 --> 00:28:23,910 We were there announcing 495 00:28:23,993 --> 00:28:26,204 that we were going to break the world record. 496 00:28:26,746 --> 00:28:31,334 I ran nine-nine-six. We knew from then it was no stopping. 497 00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:33,002 [propulsive music playing] 498 00:28:33,086 --> 00:28:35,380 [Conte] The transformation was incredible. 499 00:28:35,463 --> 00:28:37,143 [Montgomery] Starting Project World Record, 500 00:28:37,173 --> 00:28:39,718 I weighed 148 pounds. 501 00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:42,971 [Conte] We bulked him up to 176. 502 00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:46,307 We put, like, 28 pounds of muscle on him in a short period of time. 503 00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:51,521 Greg Anderson was coming to BALCO 504 00:28:51,604 --> 00:28:54,566 to help Tim Montgomery with all the weight training, 505 00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:59,028 and in eight weeks his bench press went from 265 to 345. 506 00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:00,989 Ten pounds a week increase. 507 00:29:01,072 --> 00:29:04,617 He looked like an NFL linebacker, and previously they called him Tiny Tim. 508 00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:08,288 [Montgomery] It was incredible. Felt like Conan the Barbarian. 509 00:29:08,371 --> 00:29:09,247 [clang] 510 00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:12,000 [Montgomery] Me and Victor, we were together all day. 511 00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:15,670 Ate breakfast together, lunch together, dinner together, we partied together. 512 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:17,964 It became like we're a team. 513 00:29:18,047 --> 00:29:19,299 My habits changed. 514 00:29:19,382 --> 00:29:20,967 I had a plan, 515 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:24,429 how much to take, when to take them, and what to take with them. 516 00:29:25,096 --> 00:29:26,765 You know, he became kind of muscle-bound. 517 00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:30,059 You could see he was running like this because his lats were so big. 518 00:29:30,143 --> 00:29:32,729 Then we cut him back to about 160. 519 00:29:32,812 --> 00:29:34,272 Victor Conte was honcho. 520 00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:37,400 And then from there, I went to Oslo. 521 00:29:37,484 --> 00:29:39,587 [commentator] On the right, here comes Tim Montgomery. 522 00:29:39,611 --> 00:29:42,363 It's Montgomery in lane four with a late surge. 523 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:45,658 Unofficially 9.84 seconds. 524 00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:47,076 [Montgomery] And I felt so good. 525 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,578 Oh, I could beat everybody. 526 00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:51,247 [commentator] Boy, the difference has been pronounced this year. 527 00:29:51,331 --> 00:29:53,917 Only Maurice Greene has ever run faster. 528 00:29:54,876 --> 00:29:59,839 This is the transformation that happens. It... It makes you Superman. 529 00:29:59,923 --> 00:30:02,342 [reporter] Montgomery makes history, but more importantly, 530 00:30:02,425 --> 00:30:04,552 he sends shock waves through the sprint world. 531 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:07,472 What has Trevor been teaching you? Trevor Graham, your coach now. 532 00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:09,224 To stay patient and wait for it to come. 533 00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:12,068 Don't try to break the world record, let the world record come to you. 534 00:30:15,146 --> 00:30:16,147 [man] Go! 535 00:30:16,231 --> 00:30:18,942 We were like, "Next race we break the world record." 536 00:30:19,025 --> 00:30:21,611 "Next race. Next race up, we break the world record." 537 00:30:22,111 --> 00:30:25,865 You're on the edge of greatness and disaster. 538 00:30:26,908 --> 00:30:29,369 That feeling becomes addictive. 539 00:30:31,788 --> 00:30:32,789 [pouring] 540 00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:36,376 [ding] 541 00:30:37,585 --> 00:30:40,421 [Novitzky] For me, this thing that I love so much, sport, 542 00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:45,426 were being sullied by the presence of PEDs and breaking rules, 543 00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:48,721 and the unethical decisions of, "Well, I'm gonna break this rule 544 00:30:48,805 --> 00:30:51,432 because it's gonna get me something good on the other end." 545 00:30:52,308 --> 00:30:54,686 And so this case consumed my life. 546 00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:56,813 It literally consumed my life, and... 547 00:30:56,896 --> 00:30:58,857 From the time I woke up in the morning, 548 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,861 to the time that I went to sleep at night, that's literally all I was thinking of. 549 00:31:02,944 --> 00:31:04,988 - [whirring] - [mellow jazz music playing] 550 00:31:12,745 --> 00:31:16,624 [producer] What gave you the idea to go through his trash to begin with? 551 00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:20,461 Yeah, I think that was a technique in the first couple of years of my career, 552 00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:23,715 and a lot of agents didn't like to do it, 'cause it wasn't fun. 553 00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:27,051 [jazz music continues] 554 00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:35,435 However, I don't think trash examinations have ever gotten as much notoriety... 555 00:31:35,518 --> 00:31:37,118 [chuckling]...and coverage as mine did. 556 00:31:40,648 --> 00:31:42,942 So BALCO was a lower-risk trash collection. 557 00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:46,029 They put their trash out every Monday night. 558 00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:48,698 And I'd go, you know, 11:00, midnight, 559 00:31:48,781 --> 00:31:51,242 got in and out of there as fast as possible. 560 00:31:57,457 --> 00:32:01,294 This is just various stuff that was unsealed during the BALCO trial. 561 00:32:01,878 --> 00:32:04,505 This is where the trash was placed every night. 562 00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:07,050 Was right about here, where in the mornings, 563 00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:09,385 the dump... you know, the trashman would come collect it, 564 00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:12,388 but he'd come here and it'd be empty 'cause I took it the night before. 565 00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:19,646 I'd usually drive it to a dumpster that was well-lit, kind of in the area, 566 00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:23,775 so that I could discard the smelly stuff, food items, that I didn't want. 567 00:32:26,027 --> 00:32:29,072 I remember bringing stuff home the first night 568 00:32:29,155 --> 00:32:34,035 and I started finding these, uh, medications, used like, torn-up wrappers. 569 00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:37,664 And I'm like, "Hey, am I... am I right in seeing what I'm seeing right here?" 570 00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:40,458 [Catlin] He needed to know what the drugs were that he was finding, 571 00:32:40,541 --> 00:32:42,085 and so he called our lab. 572 00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:45,004 [chuckling] The lab folks were suspicious, frankly. 573 00:32:45,088 --> 00:32:48,716 They were just... You know, it was some random person playing an IRS agent. 574 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:53,096 [Novitzky] Basically came out and told him what I was doing, um, 575 00:32:53,179 --> 00:32:54,514 and what I was finding. 576 00:32:55,264 --> 00:32:58,434 [chuckling] And realized that Jeff really was an IRS agent. 577 00:32:59,018 --> 00:33:01,854 [Novitzky] We started putting some pieces of the puzzle together. 578 00:33:02,438 --> 00:33:05,942 So this was the first night I did, and this was human growth hormone, 579 00:33:06,025 --> 00:33:09,320 a torn-up box, the box of testosterone. 580 00:33:10,571 --> 00:33:13,366 Here's the note from a world champion shot putter. 581 00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:17,078 "Here's a check for the next cycle. I need it by the end of the week." 582 00:33:17,161 --> 00:33:18,161 "Thanks. Kevin." 583 00:33:18,746 --> 00:33:22,625 He was just careless and haphazard in what trash he threw away 584 00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:25,461 as anyone I've ever run across in my law enforcement career. 585 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,551 [tense music builds] 586 00:33:31,634 --> 00:33:33,034 [commentator 1] Top of the wrist... 587 00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:36,889 [commentator 2] Here's a long home run by Bonds, number 39. 588 00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:38,766 It sails over the fence. 589 00:33:39,642 --> 00:33:44,022 This is the hottest man in the history of baseball, home run-wise, 590 00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:47,025 at this point in any season over 100 years. 591 00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:53,823 In 2001, Barry was going for the 70 home run... The season record. 592 00:33:53,906 --> 00:33:56,576 It was very exciting for me to... to know him 593 00:33:56,659 --> 00:33:58,244 and to be a fan of his 594 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:01,581 and doing my best to help him in any way that I could. 595 00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:03,916 [commentator] Number 43 on the year for Bonds. 596 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,544 [Schmidt] So you've had this guy with a Hall of Fame career, 597 00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:08,087 he's on the downslide, 598 00:34:08,671 --> 00:34:12,675 and all of a sudden he begins performing at a level 599 00:34:12,759 --> 00:34:14,802 that... that even Babe Ruth couldn't. 600 00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:17,388 [commentator] Number 45 for Bonds. 601 00:34:17,472 --> 00:34:21,017 I've never seen anything like this in my life besides Mark McGwire, 602 00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:21,976 and Sammy Sosa... 603 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:25,229 [reporter] Forty-nine homers faster than any major-leaguer in history. 604 00:34:25,313 --> 00:34:27,523 I can't explain it. If I knew what I was doing 605 00:34:27,607 --> 00:34:29,442 I would've done this a long time ago. 606 00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:31,527 [commentator] Fifty for Barry Bonds. 607 00:34:31,611 --> 00:34:35,948 [Novitzky] I think it was almost genius that his scheme primarily was, 608 00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:38,451 "Barry Bonds, I'm going to give you these drugs." 609 00:34:38,534 --> 00:34:41,120 "Don't pay me checks, money orders, wire." 610 00:34:41,204 --> 00:34:44,874 "Instead, you're going to promote my SNAC line of supplements." 611 00:34:44,957 --> 00:34:49,629 The acronym stands for Scientific Nutrition for Advanced Conditioning. 612 00:34:49,712 --> 00:34:52,715 The AM formula is called Vitalize. 613 00:34:52,799 --> 00:34:56,052 The PM formula is called ZMA. 614 00:34:56,135 --> 00:35:00,139 Tell the world that this is the reason why you're approaching the home run record. 615 00:35:00,223 --> 00:35:02,475 [commentator] It is outta here! 616 00:35:02,558 --> 00:35:06,062 [Conte] Would you like to vitalize your mind and vitalize your body? 617 00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:09,398 Then it's time to get vitalized with the SNAC system. 618 00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:12,360 [rock music playing] 619 00:35:14,195 --> 00:35:17,740 [Conte] ZMA, it blew up to the point where, in 2000, 620 00:35:18,366 --> 00:35:21,410 we had four different brands of ZMA 621 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:25,915 in all 9,000 GNC stores nationwide. 622 00:35:26,415 --> 00:35:30,128 So you'd walk around any mall and see ZMA in the window. 623 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,713 This is Mr. Barry Bonds. 624 00:35:33,256 --> 00:35:35,133 This is a photo shoot that he did 625 00:35:35,216 --> 00:35:38,094 and they had a capture of him on the front cover. 626 00:35:38,177 --> 00:35:41,264 [Novitzky] "And I want you to go out and talk to Muscle and Fitness 627 00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:43,975 about how great my supplement line is." 628 00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:46,978 "Say, 'Liquid ZMA helped me get five medals 629 00:35:47,061 --> 00:35:50,356 at the Sydney Olympics and break these home run records.'" 630 00:35:51,023 --> 00:35:53,359 And, I mean, that paid off a tremendous amount. 631 00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:56,445 I'm sure hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in sales. 632 00:35:57,363 --> 00:35:58,823 [commentator] Here's the pitch. 633 00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:02,034 Bonds hits one hard to right field. 634 00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:03,286 Outta here! 635 00:36:03,953 --> 00:36:09,542 And he joins Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Babe Ruth and Roger Maris, 636 00:36:09,625 --> 00:36:14,881 the only players to hit 60 or more home runs in a season. 637 00:36:14,964 --> 00:36:15,798 [Conte] Oh. 638 00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:20,303 This is a... This is a room where we dress up all the athletes. 639 00:36:20,386 --> 00:36:23,556 [chuckling] As you can see, we got lots of different gear here. 640 00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:27,143 So, branding is how I win. 641 00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:31,689 [Montgomery] We were thinking that, okay, we promote the ZMA, 642 00:36:31,772 --> 00:36:36,277 no one would find out about what's behind the scene of the ZMA. 643 00:36:36,777 --> 00:36:38,613 He has the top athletes. 644 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:43,367 It's like, when you're doing a crime, 645 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:47,288 you think you're the smartest person that's committing the crime. 646 00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:51,751 Then you look back and say, "That was the dumbest thing I ever thought of." 647 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,215 [commentator 1] The men's 100-meter dash presented by Pontiac Grand Prix. 648 00:36:57,298 --> 00:37:00,635 [commentator 2] And there's a man who I think is running very well this year. 649 00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:03,198 Tim Montgomery, I think, is the favorite going into this final. 650 00:37:03,262 --> 00:37:04,302 [commentator 1] Has to be. 651 00:37:05,139 --> 00:37:09,018 Back in the finals of the men's 100 meters at US trials, 652 00:37:09,101 --> 00:37:14,315 Nike was going to give me $50,000 to wear their clothes in the finals. 653 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:16,567 [Conte] Tim wore the ZMA logo 654 00:37:16,651 --> 00:37:18,903 and we had two or three different outfits made 655 00:37:18,986 --> 00:37:23,157 that were one piece that had ZMA on 'em, and he wore them in many races. 656 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:27,161 We already had an agreement that was made that he would wear it, 657 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:30,706 and then at the last minute there was some mention that, 658 00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:32,792 "Oh, Nike wants me to wear their stuff." 659 00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:34,502 And Victor was like, 660 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:37,630 "Who you going to be loyal to, me or them?" 661 00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:40,341 So I'm like, "It's 50,000 dollar, homie." 662 00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:43,010 And he was like, "My time is worth millions." 663 00:37:43,094 --> 00:37:45,137 Project team leader's the boss, 664 00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:48,224 the project team leader's the one that finances the whole project. 665 00:37:48,724 --> 00:37:52,770 So I say, "Okay, you have been with me. I'm going to wear ZMA in the finals." 666 00:37:54,146 --> 00:37:58,651 Not one person in track and field has ever run with a vitamin company... 667 00:37:58,734 --> 00:38:00,319 [chuckling]...on their uniform 668 00:38:00,903 --> 00:38:03,072 in the history of track and field. 669 00:38:03,572 --> 00:38:07,076 [commentator] Here comes Montgomery, and it is Tim Montgomery... 670 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:08,828 [Montgomery] I wore ZMA in the finals 671 00:38:08,911 --> 00:38:11,038 and then I signed with Nike after the race, 672 00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:13,541 and Victor was upset 673 00:38:14,041 --> 00:38:16,127 because he wanted to control that contract. 674 00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:20,172 He went from being a doctor to now an agent. 675 00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:24,218 If I had a signed agreement with Victor, you would have seen it on the screen. 676 00:38:25,177 --> 00:38:27,263 For going to the world championship, 677 00:38:27,346 --> 00:38:31,475 Victor had already hit me with... He wanted 35 percent of my winnings. 678 00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:35,146 It was the percentage that he wanted going forward. 679 00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:38,733 [Conte] That's... I never asked for any percentage of his winnings ever. 680 00:38:38,816 --> 00:38:42,111 That's just a complete lie and a fabrication by... by Tim. 681 00:38:42,194 --> 00:38:43,404 He was committed to me. 682 00:38:43,487 --> 00:38:46,699 I brought him to the dance, now he's gonna dance with somebody else? 683 00:38:46,782 --> 00:38:48,784 You tell me, is that... is that fair? 684 00:38:49,952 --> 00:38:54,290 And so, at a certain point, I just said, "Well, I can't continue with this guy." 685 00:38:54,373 --> 00:38:56,417 I terminated my relationship with him. 686 00:38:56,959 --> 00:39:02,798 [Montgomery] I'm trying to fathom him saying he ended the relationship with me 687 00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:05,801 and I'm on the verge of breaking the world record. 688 00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:07,470 Listen, I like Victor. 689 00:39:07,553 --> 00:39:08,846 Victor hurt me... 690 00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:12,475 when he wanted 35%, 691 00:39:12,558 --> 00:39:14,602 because I considered him as a friend. 692 00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:19,357 "Look into my eyes and tell me you feel like I owe you something." 693 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,235 "What did you give me for wearing ZMA at US trials?" 694 00:39:23,319 --> 00:39:26,697 So I was done with Victor, period. 695 00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:30,618 And Victor was like, "Oh. Oh, you can't walk away." 696 00:39:30,701 --> 00:39:33,037 "I'm the show. You ain't gonna run fast without me." 697 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,998 I said, "Watch me. I can do this on my own." 698 00:39:42,129 --> 00:39:44,382 [engine running] 699 00:39:44,465 --> 00:39:45,466 [engine stops] 700 00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:55,768 [door closes] 701 00:39:55,851 --> 00:39:59,438 [suspenseful music playing] 702 00:40:02,775 --> 00:40:04,944 [Novitzky] One thing, I was finding, uh, 703 00:40:05,027 --> 00:40:08,489 dozens of discarded one-use syringe wrappers 704 00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:12,660 but no syringes, and thought, "Man, if I had the syringe, 705 00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:16,122 maybe I could send the syringe for DNA analysis." 706 00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:18,707 We were able to subpoena the medical waste company, 707 00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:22,128 so when they picked up the medical waste, the sharps box from BALCO 708 00:40:22,211 --> 00:40:25,339 on a weekly basis, they'd bring it back to their hub, 709 00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:28,384 set it aside for me and I would go through that. 710 00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:30,177 Syringes we sent to laboratories. 711 00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:31,804 They were able to extract 712 00:40:31,887 --> 00:40:35,307 what the substances were being, uh, injected. 713 00:40:36,016 --> 00:40:39,186 We were keeping track of what mail was being delivered. 714 00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:43,691 They will give you where the mail's coming from and who it's addressed to. 715 00:40:44,775 --> 00:40:47,653 And even found an email from Patrick Arnold, 716 00:40:47,736 --> 00:40:52,450 where he's chronicling sending Victor Conte the designer steroid. 717 00:40:52,533 --> 00:40:55,327 Financial ledgers showing payments from the athletes, 718 00:40:55,995 --> 00:41:00,207 invoices for a substance called epitestosterone. 719 00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:02,084 When you use The Clear, 720 00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:05,629 it would throw your natural hormone imbalance completely out of whack, 721 00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:08,382 and that was something that anti-doping was looking at. 722 00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:12,845 They were looking at something called the testosterone to epitestosterone ratio. 723 00:41:12,928 --> 00:41:17,766 In sport, there's a four to one ratio that we look for of T to E. 724 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:22,813 If it's above four to one, that's a sign that somebody's doping with testosterone. 725 00:41:25,357 --> 00:41:28,777 [Novitzky] Victor Conte created the Cream to bring up that ratio 726 00:41:28,861 --> 00:41:31,655 so that the testosterone would not get out of whack 727 00:41:31,739 --> 00:41:33,240 and show an abnormal ratio. 728 00:41:34,283 --> 00:41:39,330 Using these protocols to try to avoid detection, 729 00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:41,165 it's absolutely a cat-and-mouse game. 730 00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:48,690 [commentator] Annihilated it, but to the second baseman, 731 00:41:48,714 --> 00:41:51,383 who turned it into a double play the first time he faced him. 732 00:41:51,467 --> 00:41:55,054 Bonds swings, and there it goes. It's heading for McCovey Cove. 733 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:56,305 It is gone! 734 00:41:56,388 --> 00:41:57,389 A home run. 735 00:41:58,182 --> 00:42:00,768 Number 69 for Bonds. 736 00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:05,773 [Schmidt] I think the whole thing starts to get a little curious. 737 00:42:05,856 --> 00:42:07,608 Like, what's really going on here? 738 00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:12,071 You know, baseball made a big deal and the media made a big deal 739 00:42:12,154 --> 00:42:15,449 that players were, you know, lifting weights, you know, in ways 740 00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:17,409 that players hadn't in decades before, 741 00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:23,624 and they're eating better and, you know, that's why they're hitting more home runs, 742 00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:26,919 but it didn't totally add up. 743 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:30,089 [commentator] He's within one of the record. 744 00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:33,217 You know, I saw these numbers being put out 745 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,469 and knew what was going on behind the scenes 746 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,471 and knew that they weren't real. 747 00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:40,307 They were as a result of using these... these substances. 748 00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:41,642 [audience cheering] 749 00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:43,143 [commentator] Bonds with a drive... 750 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:46,689 Looks like number 70 for Barry Bonds. 751 00:42:46,772 --> 00:42:53,279 And it is! Tying the all-time record set in 1998 by Mark McGwire. 752 00:42:53,362 --> 00:42:56,532 [Conte] Can somebody gain 20 pounds in a year, you know, 753 00:42:56,615 --> 00:42:57,783 without using steroids? 754 00:42:57,866 --> 00:42:59,535 And the answer is, they can. 755 00:43:00,494 --> 00:43:03,205 You know, it depends upon what sort of training you're doing, 756 00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:06,625 how many calories you're consuming, and what those calories consist of. 757 00:43:06,709 --> 00:43:09,670 [producer] I thought you gave Barry Bonds a lot of steroids? 758 00:43:09,753 --> 00:43:12,881 [chuckles] No, I did not give Barry Bonds any steroids. 759 00:43:13,966 --> 00:43:17,136 [commentator] There's a high drive deep into right center field, 760 00:43:17,219 --> 00:43:19,013 to the big part of the ballpark! 761 00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:20,889 Number 71! 762 00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:22,600 And what a shot! 763 00:43:22,683 --> 00:43:25,894 Over the 421-foot marker. 764 00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:30,232 [Conte] I mean, I was not with him when he was training. 765 00:43:30,316 --> 00:43:33,444 Greg was pretty much administering whatever supplements that he took. 766 00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:36,196 [producer] And had you given The Clear to Greg? 767 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,281 Yes. 768 00:43:37,364 --> 00:43:40,242 This seems like a gotcha moment that you want to go say, 769 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:42,494 "I... I know Barry Bonds took steroids." 770 00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:45,706 That's not gonna happen because I don't know that. 771 00:43:45,789 --> 00:43:48,000 Now, do you want me to guess? 772 00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:50,961 You want me to guess if I think Barry Bonds took steroids? 773 00:43:51,045 --> 00:43:52,254 I think it's likely. 774 00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:54,715 Do I have any direct evidence? 775 00:43:55,299 --> 00:43:59,595 Only what I saw in terms of the discovery that they gave me 776 00:43:59,678 --> 00:44:04,808 after the fact of some of the records that Greg kept indicate that. 777 00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:09,229 [producer] Who's this one? 778 00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:22,785 It says "Bib," B-I-B. I... I don't know who that is. 779 00:44:22,868 --> 00:44:25,329 And then it says "March" and it says "April." 780 00:44:26,205 --> 00:44:27,706 Let me see what else is on there. 781 00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:29,541 [producer] Could that be Barry Lamar Bonds? 782 00:44:30,709 --> 00:44:35,297 [Conte] Could... Could be B-L-B, but this... this is not my handwriting. 783 00:44:35,381 --> 00:44:37,675 I hate to speculate or guess. 784 00:44:37,758 --> 00:44:40,052 You know, this could have been Greg Anderson, 785 00:44:40,135 --> 00:44:41,637 I... I don't know that. 786 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,682 So, I... This is the first time I've ever seen this. 787 00:44:54,274 --> 00:44:56,360 [Montgomery] In 2002, I had no reason to panic, 788 00:44:56,443 --> 00:44:58,404 I had every reason to be happy. 789 00:44:58,904 --> 00:45:00,030 I'm training good. 790 00:45:00,698 --> 00:45:04,284 My times were even better or the same, you know? 791 00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:09,373 [commentator] Tim Montgomery pulling away from everybody with 9.91 seconds. 792 00:45:09,456 --> 00:45:11,417 He is getting more and more consistent. 793 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:14,837 [Conte] He continued on working with Charlie Francis 794 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,089 with Trevor Graham as the frontman. 795 00:45:17,172 --> 00:45:20,509 And he had stockpiled enough of the drugs that I'd given him. 796 00:45:20,592 --> 00:45:22,177 [Montgomery stammering] No. 797 00:45:22,261 --> 00:45:23,261 No. 798 00:45:23,303 --> 00:45:26,223 Not a person in this world got a year's supply from Victor. 799 00:45:26,306 --> 00:45:28,976 He rations out everything week by week. 800 00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:32,646 I only had insulin that was non-detectable, 801 00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:34,440 and I had HGH. 802 00:45:34,523 --> 00:45:39,403 So, as the year kept going, I kept getting faster. 803 00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:44,616 And so last track meet of the year, we at Grand Prix finals. 804 00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:47,369 [commentator] Running 9.91 earlier this year 805 00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:49,580 was Tim Montgomery in lane five. 806 00:45:49,663 --> 00:45:52,708 My mind was all over the place coming out there. 807 00:45:52,791 --> 00:45:53,917 I just rolled with it. 808 00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:56,396 [commentator] ...Olympic gold medalist and world record holder. 809 00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:59,923 You feel like you are ready for it 'cause you trained up to that moment 810 00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:01,425 to do something great. 811 00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:04,303 Greatness comes when greatness comes. 812 00:46:04,386 --> 00:46:06,388 - [commentator] ...is in lane four. - [man] Set! 813 00:46:07,556 --> 00:46:08,766 [commentator] Very fast start. 814 00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:12,269 Out quickly is Tim Montgomery. Chambers beside him now. 815 00:46:12,352 --> 00:46:14,146 That was the part of me dreaming 816 00:46:14,229 --> 00:46:16,940 that one day I'd be a part of something that would be great. 817 00:46:17,024 --> 00:46:20,652 [commentator] Montgomery with slight lead, Montgomery by two feet, three feet. 818 00:46:21,153 --> 00:46:25,991 Nine-point-seven-eight seconds, a world record for Tim Montgomery. 819 00:46:26,074 --> 00:46:28,619 Sensational performance to win... 820 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,496 It was historic. 821 00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:32,998 [commentator] Nine-seven-eight. 822 00:46:33,081 --> 00:46:35,709 They posted what his reaction time out of the blocks was. 823 00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:38,378 You cannot be faster than one-tenth of a second. 824 00:46:38,879 --> 00:46:42,925 And so everybody, "You see what you just done?" 825 00:46:43,008 --> 00:46:44,092 And I look back... 826 00:46:45,552 --> 00:46:48,055 it is nine-seven-eight, and I'm like... 827 00:46:49,139 --> 00:46:50,557 And the world just go black. 828 00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:54,311 [commentator] And it is official, a world record for Tim Montgomery. 829 00:46:54,394 --> 00:46:56,730 [Montgomery] When I took the lap and I came back around 830 00:46:56,814 --> 00:47:01,902 and I took the picture by 9.78, I said to myself, "You done it." 831 00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:03,654 "You done it." 832 00:47:04,238 --> 00:47:07,157 [Conte] You know, it was kind of bittersweet because 833 00:47:07,241 --> 00:47:10,077 I knew that wouldn't have happened without me and without Milos 834 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,247 and without Charlie, and it... it was a brain trust. 835 00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:15,833 It took... He certainly couldn't have done it on his own. 836 00:47:16,416 --> 00:47:18,252 That's my opinion anyway. 837 00:47:18,961 --> 00:47:21,064 [reporter] ...new world record holder, Tim Montgomery. 838 00:47:21,088 --> 00:47:23,298 You just stepped right in and took it all. 839 00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:25,926 It's unbelievable. That's all I can say. It's unbelievable. 840 00:47:26,009 --> 00:47:27,135 [laughter] 841 00:47:27,219 --> 00:47:29,721 [reporter] How you gonna top this for next year, Tim? 842 00:47:29,805 --> 00:47:31,098 Nine-seventy-five. 843 00:47:31,598 --> 00:47:34,726 I thought the next chapter of my life was going to be, oh, 844 00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:36,854 the greatest of all time. 845 00:47:38,188 --> 00:47:40,524 Ended up being a nightmare. [chuckles] 846 00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:48,240 This instrument over here that we have is a triple quad LC-MS. 847 00:47:48,323 --> 00:47:51,785 What you're looking at here can take apart a molecule, 848 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:54,288 put it into multiple different peaks 849 00:47:54,371 --> 00:47:58,834 that can then be fingerprinted and matched to a drug in question. 850 00:47:58,917 --> 00:48:03,130 So, this was what we used to be able to break the code 851 00:48:03,213 --> 00:48:04,631 and break the back of BALCO. 852 00:48:05,757 --> 00:48:06,592 [click] 853 00:48:06,675 --> 00:48:10,721 [Catlin] The process of actually decoding what The Clear was 854 00:48:10,804 --> 00:48:15,350 started when this mystery syringe arrived at our laboratory. 855 00:48:15,434 --> 00:48:19,688 [Novitzky] Turned out that that steroid was given to USADA by Trevor Graham, 856 00:48:19,771 --> 00:48:22,190 the track and field coach who, at one time, 857 00:48:22,274 --> 00:48:25,903 was working with BALCO and Victor Conte but had a falling out. 858 00:48:25,986 --> 00:48:30,574 It was not at all simple for us to figure out what it was. 859 00:48:31,158 --> 00:48:33,577 We put it through our instruments, 860 00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:36,830 and when you put a substance into a mass spectrometer, 861 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:38,582 you come up with a bunch of peaks, 862 00:48:38,665 --> 00:48:42,044 and it's a matter of trying to identify those peaks, 863 00:48:42,127 --> 00:48:46,006 and that was ultimately the work that took many months for us to do. 864 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:49,217 [Novitzky] And they basically reverse engineered it, 865 00:48:49,301 --> 00:48:52,095 and figured out what exactly that they were looking at. 866 00:48:52,179 --> 00:48:54,973 So, unbeknownst to the athletes, they had created a test for that 867 00:48:55,057 --> 00:48:58,185 when they thought they were using a substance there was no test for yet. 868 00:48:58,268 --> 00:49:01,730 [tense music playing] 869 00:49:03,607 --> 00:49:07,736 [Conte] I knew for months and months somebody's watching, 870 00:49:07,819 --> 00:49:12,824 and it started with the mailman saying, 871 00:49:12,908 --> 00:49:15,786 "Listen, there's law enforcement of some kind 872 00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:17,871 that's copying all your mail every day." 873 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:20,248 I need to start paying attention a bit more, 874 00:49:20,332 --> 00:49:22,918 'cause it's... Big Brother's watching. 875 00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:26,421 [Novitzky] Near the tail end of that year, where I was collecting trash, 876 00:49:26,505 --> 00:49:29,967 I had a dumpster that was well lit that I was regularly going to, 877 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:31,218 and they moved the dumpster. 878 00:49:32,302 --> 00:49:35,263 And so I located what I thought was another secure one. 879 00:49:38,225 --> 00:49:40,625 [Conte] Started getting calls from the owner of the building. 880 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:44,815 And he said, "Stop dumping your trash in our dumpster." 881 00:49:45,399 --> 00:49:47,401 I said, "Oh my God." I went over there to see, 882 00:49:47,484 --> 00:49:50,529 and sure enough, our trash was in his dumpster. I said, "Oh my God." 883 00:49:50,612 --> 00:49:54,241 They did it again. They did it again. But the third time, this guy called, 884 00:49:54,324 --> 00:49:56,827 he said, "I'm calling the police, okay?" 885 00:49:58,662 --> 00:50:02,708 My dad called me and said, "Hey, have you looked at the throwaway paper this week?" 886 00:50:02,791 --> 00:50:06,753 I'm like, "No, why?" He goes, "Look at their police blotter section." 887 00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:11,508 Sure enough, there's a story about trash from BALCO Laboratories illegally dumped. 888 00:50:11,591 --> 00:50:12,926 Scared me. 889 00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:16,096 You know, I came very close, I think, to... to being caught. 890 00:50:16,179 --> 00:50:19,474 So, the combination of the trash being discovered, 891 00:50:19,558 --> 00:50:21,351 the mail cover being disclosed, 892 00:50:21,435 --> 00:50:26,273 we thought it's about time now, I think, that we needed to go overt in this case. 893 00:50:28,442 --> 00:50:30,360 [tense music sting] 894 00:50:30,444 --> 00:50:33,405 [Cheryl Hurd] So, on September 3rd, 2003, 895 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:39,870 my assignment desk received this weird call, 896 00:50:39,953 --> 00:50:44,750 "Go to this location." "But what time?" "Well, we don't know what time." 897 00:50:45,333 --> 00:50:47,669 "Just be there and wait." 898 00:50:49,379 --> 00:50:51,798 We started seeing cars coming in. 899 00:50:51,882 --> 00:50:53,008 Looks like agents. 900 00:50:53,091 --> 00:50:54,259 What kind of agents? 901 00:50:54,342 --> 00:50:55,469 The IRS? 902 00:50:57,012 --> 00:51:01,266 We didn't know who they were after, how long it was going to last. 903 00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:04,478 They're going into this building. I don't know what BALCO is. 904 00:51:04,561 --> 00:51:05,561 We were on edge. 905 00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,273 We... We didn't know if... if there would be gunfire. 906 00:51:08,857 --> 00:51:10,442 It was... It was very intense. 907 00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:15,197 And right through that driveway, and in here and here and here 908 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,406 and around the corner, 909 00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:21,995 that's where six or seven black cars came in full of SWAT team agents 910 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,456 wearing flak jackets with rifles 911 00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:28,668 and... and a helicopter came and was hovering right there. 912 00:51:28,752 --> 00:51:31,254 [reporter] Federal agents raided a Burlingame building 913 00:51:31,338 --> 00:51:34,925 housing the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, BALCO. 914 00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:38,845 All of a sudden, SWAT teams came in. It was... It was like out of the movies. 915 00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:41,056 [Novitzky] There was some controversy over, 916 00:51:41,139 --> 00:51:44,476 "Oh, they brought, you know, 20, 30 agents, they all had guns." 917 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,938 Well, we... we carry guns. That's what we did, 918 00:51:48,021 --> 00:51:50,649 and we brought these guns to every search warrant we did. 919 00:51:50,732 --> 00:51:53,026 Everything I saw, they were secured to their side. 920 00:51:53,110 --> 00:51:55,278 They weren't drawn as we were making entry. 921 00:51:56,196 --> 00:52:01,493 I looked out the window and here comes ABC, NBC, CBS. 922 00:52:01,993 --> 00:52:04,746 Next thing you know, these satellites are coming up. 923 00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:08,667 So somebody from Novitzky's team must have called the news desk. 924 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:10,544 [producer] Can you say who your sources were? 925 00:52:10,627 --> 00:52:13,922 Of course I can't say who my sources are. 926 00:52:14,881 --> 00:52:16,758 I did not tip them off, no. 927 00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:20,679 Their neighbors are seeing who the customers are of this business. 928 00:52:20,762 --> 00:52:24,015 They're seeing Barry Bonds walk into this business frequently. 929 00:52:24,099 --> 00:52:27,144 People are going to start talking and making some calls. 930 00:52:27,227 --> 00:52:30,689 [Hurd] A representative of BALCO was escorted out of the building. 931 00:52:30,772 --> 00:52:32,691 [reporter] Victor Conte is one of four people 932 00:52:32,774 --> 00:52:35,610 charged with distributing the illegal substances. 933 00:52:35,694 --> 00:52:37,362 [Hurd] I'm looking and I'm saying, 934 00:52:38,238 --> 00:52:43,243 "Who is that guy with the ZMA hat on kind of cocked to the side, 935 00:52:43,326 --> 00:52:45,078 sweating profusely?" 936 00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:46,621 He must be the bad guy. 937 00:52:46,705 --> 00:52:50,625 That's my job as a reporter. Find out who the bad guy is. 938 00:52:50,709 --> 00:52:52,294 Federal officials wouldn't tell us 939 00:52:52,377 --> 00:52:55,505 what they found inside BALCO Laboratories last week. 940 00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:59,134 No one has been charged, and no arrests have been made. 941 00:52:59,217 --> 00:53:00,927 [reporter] But US Olympic officials 942 00:53:01,011 --> 00:53:03,555 believe BALCO could be involved in a conspiracy 943 00:53:03,638 --> 00:53:06,808 to beat drug tests by designing a new steroid. 944 00:53:07,684 --> 00:53:09,769 [Veronica] It felt very over the top. 945 00:53:10,770 --> 00:53:13,690 Like, "Is there more to this story than I know?" You know? 946 00:53:13,773 --> 00:53:16,943 Like, why is this being amplified so much? 947 00:53:17,986 --> 00:53:20,739 [tense music playing] 948 00:53:20,822 --> 00:53:23,700 [Novitzky] When we were conducting the search warrant at BALCO, 949 00:53:23,783 --> 00:53:28,121 we found bankers boxes with athletes' names on the box... 950 00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:30,040 On these folders within that box, 951 00:53:30,123 --> 00:53:33,668 and then within those folders were doping calendars, 952 00:53:33,752 --> 00:53:36,504 financial ledgers, uh, Quest, uh, 953 00:53:36,588 --> 00:53:39,966 urine steroid tests, some of them positive, um, 954 00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:43,470 and then multiple boxes full of these drugs. 955 00:53:44,054 --> 00:53:47,349 It was a virtual pharmacy, uh, that we found in the storage locker. 956 00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:51,478 And based on the amount of evidence that I had collected, 957 00:53:51,561 --> 00:53:53,271 I knew what questions to ask. 958 00:53:53,355 --> 00:53:56,233 I'm reading here from the memorandum of interview 959 00:53:56,316 --> 00:53:59,486 written by Jeff Novitzky, September 3rd, 2003. 960 00:54:00,195 --> 00:54:03,198 And he had a list that he had made. 961 00:54:03,281 --> 00:54:06,326 It said, "Track and Field," "NFL," and "MLB," 962 00:54:06,826 --> 00:54:08,912 and he had these names on the list. 963 00:54:09,788 --> 00:54:12,707 [Novitzky] We went down that list, and absolutely, he said, 964 00:54:12,791 --> 00:54:16,127 definitively, "I've given these athletes The Clear and The Cream." 965 00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:20,048 [Conte] He said, "Did you work with these players or these athletes?" 966 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:25,220 And I thought he meant blood testing, nutritional supplements, 967 00:54:25,303 --> 00:54:27,305 developing individualized program. 968 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:30,850 No mention about giving any drugs to any of them. 969 00:54:30,934 --> 00:54:33,270 Yeah, that's not the truth. 970 00:54:33,353 --> 00:54:37,524 I mean, I was very explicit about that. Think about it, I go in there and say, 971 00:54:37,607 --> 00:54:39,943 "Have you worked with these athletes?" And not ask, 972 00:54:40,026 --> 00:54:42,570 "What does that work entail? Have you given them drugs?" 973 00:54:42,654 --> 00:54:44,322 That's the whole reason I was there. 974 00:54:44,406 --> 00:54:48,118 Never gave Barry Bonds The Cream or The Clear. 975 00:54:48,201 --> 00:54:50,578 He can't give you one shred of evidence 976 00:54:50,662 --> 00:54:54,416 linking me to having anything to do with giving Barry Bonds steroids. 977 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,626 And if he's got it, where is it? 978 00:54:58,545 --> 00:55:00,380 [Novitzky] Barry Bonds was consistently 979 00:55:00,463 --> 00:55:03,049 providing urine and blood samples to BALCO. 980 00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:06,636 I have those records and they showed he was testing positive for things like 981 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,181 methenolone, high-level anabolic steroid, nandrolone, 982 00:55:10,682 --> 00:55:16,021 so there is no doubt he knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs 983 00:55:16,104 --> 00:55:18,815 and used a lot of them for a several-year period 984 00:55:18,898 --> 00:55:22,652 that assisted him in achieving these... these hallowed records in sports, 985 00:55:22,736 --> 00:55:23,737 without a doubt. 986 00:55:24,738 --> 00:55:27,449 [unsettling music playing] 987 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:35,710 [reporter] This evening, you've heard it before. 988 00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:37,459 Athletes and steroids. 989 00:55:37,542 --> 00:55:41,713 Dozens of the biggest names in sports will be taking time off from competition 990 00:55:41,796 --> 00:55:47,135 to tell a grand jury what they know about the maker of a so-called designer steroid. 991 00:55:48,261 --> 00:55:50,638 [Novitzky] After the raid, we subpoenaed several dozen 992 00:55:50,722 --> 00:55:54,601 of these high-profile athletes to the grand jury in San Francisco 993 00:55:55,185 --> 00:55:58,646 and told 'em, "Tell the truth in there, this may be the last you hear from us." 994 00:55:58,730 --> 00:56:01,358 "You're certainly not going to be a target of this investigation 995 00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:03,943 if you go in and tell the truth." 996 00:56:06,196 --> 00:56:09,240 I get, uh, a... subpoena, 997 00:56:10,325 --> 00:56:13,745 and they're sitting down saying that they have ledgers and everything 998 00:56:13,828 --> 00:56:15,205 on us working with Victor. 999 00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:18,500 So I talked about my involvement. 1000 00:56:18,583 --> 00:56:20,335 I was taking The Clear. 1001 00:56:20,418 --> 00:56:23,463 HGH, I did use. 1002 00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:26,383 And I told them grand jurors 1003 00:56:26,466 --> 00:56:29,010 that you don't know what you was getting for Victor. 1004 00:56:29,094 --> 00:56:30,887 Victor was a con artist. 1005 00:56:31,888 --> 00:56:32,889 He's not a doctor. 1006 00:56:35,975 --> 00:56:38,603 [Novitzky] These powerful hormonal substances 1007 00:56:38,686 --> 00:56:42,440 really hadn't undergone any clinical trials or human testing. 1008 00:56:42,524 --> 00:56:45,276 So they were literally using these athletes as guinea pigs. 1009 00:56:47,654 --> 00:56:50,740 [Montgomery] Victor can read about what HGH does to the body, 1010 00:56:50,824 --> 00:56:52,909 he can read about what EPO does, 1011 00:56:52,992 --> 00:56:57,580 and then he can use you to see if he got the formula right. 1012 00:56:58,540 --> 00:57:00,542 [Novitzky] Even found an email from Patrick Arnold: 1013 00:57:00,625 --> 00:57:02,377 "Hey, here's what I've created, 1014 00:57:02,460 --> 00:57:06,840 but I don't quite know what the dosage is so you have to experiment on that." 1015 00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:08,800 Some of the female athletes said, 1016 00:57:08,883 --> 00:57:11,803 they didn't get their menstrual cycles for months if not years 1017 00:57:11,886 --> 00:57:13,346 while they were on this stuff. 1018 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:16,391 Victor Conte is your doctor and your pharmacist. 1019 00:57:16,474 --> 00:57:18,059 That's very, very dangerous. 1020 00:57:18,143 --> 00:57:23,481 Oh, my God. So I've been doing comprehensive blood testing on everybody, 1021 00:57:23,565 --> 00:57:25,733 making sure there were no adverse health effects 1022 00:57:25,817 --> 00:57:27,527 and all the dosages were correct. 1023 00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:29,154 So the opposite was true. 1024 00:57:30,155 --> 00:57:34,367 You become numb to what's right and what's wrong. 1025 00:57:36,244 --> 00:57:37,745 At the end of the day, 1026 00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:40,373 I wanted something so bad... 1027 00:57:42,083 --> 00:57:45,211 at any price... possible. 1028 00:57:47,672 --> 00:57:50,008 [John Ashcroft] After an 18-month investigation, 1029 00:57:50,091 --> 00:57:54,137 a federal grand jury in the Northern District of California 1030 00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:59,726 unsealed a 42-count indictment charging four individuals 1031 00:57:59,809 --> 00:58:06,107 with distribution of illegal anabolic steroids to dozens of athletes. 1032 00:58:06,191 --> 00:58:09,319 [reporter] Today's indictment charges Bonds' trainer, Greg Anderson, 1033 00:58:09,402 --> 00:58:12,655 and this man, Victor Conte, with running the operation, 1034 00:58:12,739 --> 00:58:17,202 money laundering and using code names for drugs to cover up the scheme. 1035 00:58:17,285 --> 00:58:19,871 Illegal steroid use calls into question 1036 00:58:19,954 --> 00:58:22,957 not only the integrity of the athletes who used them, 1037 00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:27,045 but also the integrity of the sports that those athletes play. 1038 00:58:27,128 --> 00:58:31,716 Well, I think it's rather odd that, uh, Mr. Ashcroft got involved. 1039 00:58:31,799 --> 00:58:34,928 I don't want to say it's political, but it is political. 1040 00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:38,681 The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids 1041 00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:41,684 in baseball, football and other sports, 1042 00:58:41,768 --> 00:58:44,687 is dangerous and it sends the wrong message. 1043 00:58:44,771 --> 00:58:47,023 So tonight I call on team owners, 1044 00:58:47,106 --> 00:58:49,484 coaches and players to take the lead, 1045 00:58:49,567 --> 00:58:53,363 to get tough and to get rid of steroids now. 1046 00:58:53,446 --> 00:58:57,408 It's like, uh, going after a fly with a bazooka 1047 00:58:57,492 --> 00:58:59,786 when there are thousands of other flies running around. 1048 00:58:59,869 --> 00:59:02,580 It's not even going to make a dent in the problem. 1049 00:59:02,664 --> 00:59:04,415 [tense music playing] 1050 00:59:07,168 --> 00:59:08,878 [reporter] If convicted on all counts, 1051 00:59:08,962 --> 00:59:12,840 the defendants face long prison terms and hefty fines. 1052 00:59:14,175 --> 00:59:17,679 I knew that they didn't have the evidence that they claimed that they had. 1053 00:59:17,762 --> 00:59:21,766 Why do you think on the day of the 42-count indictment 1054 00:59:21,849 --> 00:59:25,603 that I walked out into a sea of reporters and did this? 1055 00:59:25,687 --> 00:59:27,063 That meant this. 1056 00:59:35,572 --> 00:59:39,534 [Veronica] At that point, there were times he was in the news every day. 1057 00:59:39,617 --> 00:59:41,619 So every time there were court hearings, 1058 00:59:41,703 --> 00:59:45,123 there was a ton of media really villainizing him. 1059 00:59:45,790 --> 00:59:49,043 Um, forty-two counts, it seemed like a lot. 1060 00:59:50,086 --> 00:59:54,924 You know, I remember him grabbing my hand to guide me through the media 1061 00:59:55,008 --> 00:59:57,385 and all the cameras and everyone shouting, and... 1062 00:59:57,468 --> 00:59:59,012 it's intimidating. 1063 00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:04,225 The whole investigation, in my opinion, was all about chasing headlines. 1064 01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:08,354 Novitzky was bragging to the undercover agents, you know, 1065 01:00:08,438 --> 01:00:11,399 saying, "I'm going to be the modern-day Eliot Ness." 1066 01:00:11,482 --> 01:00:14,777 "I'm going to bust Al Capone. Movie deals, book deals." 1067 01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:19,407 Yeah, I probably said that because, going back to my training, 1068 01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:22,285 you, as an agent, need to find those investigations 1069 01:00:22,368 --> 01:00:24,329 that are going to get the most coverage. 1070 01:00:24,412 --> 01:00:28,207 And hopefully, other people out there that are breaking a similar law 1071 01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:32,420 are gonna say, "I don't want to get caught up in this, so I'm gonna back out." 1072 01:00:34,422 --> 01:00:38,259 I believe that Jeff Novitzky was feeding information to the Chronicle. 1073 01:00:38,343 --> 01:00:40,303 Nope. Not whatsoever. 1074 01:00:40,386 --> 01:00:42,722 I think it was his narcissistic personality 1075 01:00:42,805 --> 01:00:46,934 that, you know, Victor was like, "No publicity is bad publicity." 1076 01:00:47,018 --> 01:00:50,855 Um, you know, I remember the night he went on 20/20. 1077 01:00:51,356 --> 01:00:54,901 He was indicted, but the case hasn't been resolved yet, 1078 01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:58,112 and we got a call from his defense attorneys saying, 1079 01:00:58,196 --> 01:01:02,158 "I don't know what our guy's doing. He's going on 20/20 tonight." 1080 01:01:02,241 --> 01:01:05,745 "An entire hour is dedicated to everything he's been doing." 1081 01:01:06,245 --> 01:01:11,209 I knew that this was the most coveted of all, you know, records and gold medals. 1082 01:01:11,292 --> 01:01:17,256 Um, so we kind of had a collective dream and I was the mastermind, so to speak. 1083 01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:20,760 [Martin Bashir] You're designing, in effect, a criminal conspiracy 1084 01:01:20,843 --> 01:01:22,679 to break the world record. 1085 01:01:24,347 --> 01:01:26,057 That's what it was, wasn't it? 1086 01:01:27,350 --> 01:01:31,646 Well, if you're asking if it included illegal activity, the answer would be yes. 1087 01:01:32,146 --> 01:01:32,980 And sure enough, 1088 01:01:33,064 --> 01:01:36,651 he disclosed all of his criminal activity on national television. 1089 01:01:36,734 --> 01:01:38,194 Nobody does that. 1090 01:01:38,277 --> 01:01:42,657 Are you saying Marion Jones was a drugs cheat? 1091 01:01:42,740 --> 01:01:43,825 Without a doubt. 1092 01:01:43,908 --> 01:01:47,036 And that you saw her even inject herself? 1093 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,413 You saw that happen? 1094 01:01:49,247 --> 01:01:50,289 That's correct. 1095 01:01:50,873 --> 01:01:54,377 Victor Conte is delusional. [chuckles] 1096 01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:59,215 To start taking out athletes on the system he was part of. 1097 01:02:02,385 --> 01:02:06,806 [Bashir] Did you fear there was a moral problem when you realized 1098 01:02:06,889 --> 01:02:10,560 that if you wanted to compete you had to cheat? 1099 01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:12,061 The answer is no. 1100 01:02:12,145 --> 01:02:15,273 If you've got the knowledge that that's what everybody's doing, 1101 01:02:15,356 --> 01:02:19,026 and those are the real rules of the game, then you're not cheating. 1102 01:02:25,158 --> 01:02:27,785 [Conte] I... I was called a lot of very bad names. 1103 01:02:27,869 --> 01:02:31,622 Dr. Frankenstein, the Saddam Hussein of sports. 1104 01:02:32,248 --> 01:02:37,712 But one of the most important things you learn is that you need adversity. 1105 01:02:38,254 --> 01:02:39,088 You know? 1106 01:02:39,172 --> 01:02:42,133 If you want to build big muscles you got to lift big weights. 1107 01:02:44,343 --> 01:02:47,138 [Ed Swanson] Victor was in a difficult spot 1108 01:02:47,221 --> 01:02:48,556 when we got into the case. 1109 01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:52,101 Uh, he had done the 20/20 interview, 1110 01:02:52,185 --> 01:02:55,146 the case was on the boil 1111 01:02:55,229 --> 01:02:58,357 and it wasn't headed in the direction that he wanted it to go. 1112 01:02:58,441 --> 01:03:02,320 Victor's previous counsel had already filed a number of motions 1113 01:03:02,403 --> 01:03:05,239 to suppress evidence, to suppress statements, 1114 01:03:05,323 --> 01:03:09,076 dealing with the agents in a very confrontational manner, 1115 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,246 and Victor had to make a big decision, 1116 01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:15,166 whether or not to try and resolve the case, 1117 01:03:15,249 --> 01:03:18,211 or whether to be embroiled in this battle for the next year. 1118 01:03:18,294 --> 01:03:21,798 And Victor made the decision to have us negotiate the case. 1119 01:03:22,381 --> 01:03:28,054 We thought this case involved warehouses of steroids and millions of dollars, 1120 01:03:28,137 --> 01:03:30,389 because that's the way the story was being told. 1121 01:03:30,473 --> 01:03:33,976 Once we started to look at it, everything began to shrink 1122 01:03:34,060 --> 01:03:38,689 and the millions became hundreds and the warehouse became a locker, 1123 01:03:38,773 --> 01:03:41,943 and the amount of drugs became something you could fit in your hand. 1124 01:03:42,026 --> 01:03:46,864 Our technical term for the amount of drugs in this case was "teensy." 1125 01:03:48,282 --> 01:03:51,327 Week after week, we would sit down with the prosecutors 1126 01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:53,412 and would take another piece of the case, 1127 01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:57,875 and we would say, "You've charged this, it's not illegal and here's why." 1128 01:03:57,959 --> 01:04:01,003 To their credit, they listened to us and they pushed back, 1129 01:04:01,087 --> 01:04:03,422 and it was so much fun. 1130 01:04:03,506 --> 01:04:05,716 There's no question what he had done. 1131 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,344 He had provided athletes with the substance. 1132 01:04:08,427 --> 01:04:10,263 The question was, was that illegal? 1133 01:04:11,138 --> 01:04:13,015 The Clear was not illegal, 1134 01:04:13,099 --> 01:04:15,852 and our position was even The Cream was not illegal. 1135 01:04:15,935 --> 01:04:19,230 [McNamara] Which was a diluted amount of steroid testosterone 1136 01:04:19,313 --> 01:04:21,357 in a lotion to be applied on the skin. 1137 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,693 And the law didn't apply to mixtures. 1138 01:04:24,861 --> 01:04:28,656 [McNamara] The amount of money that Victor was transacting 1139 01:04:28,739 --> 01:04:30,950 amounted to less than a thousand dollars, 1140 01:04:31,033 --> 01:04:36,455 which is so below the power of what federal prosecutions generally prosecute. 1141 01:04:36,539 --> 01:04:39,250 [Swanson] It was as thin as it gets. 1142 01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:42,503 There's never another case we've seen where someone was charged 1143 01:04:42,587 --> 01:04:46,257 with drug distribution of an amount that doesn't even register 1144 01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:47,842 in the sentencing guidelines, 1145 01:04:48,426 --> 01:04:50,261 but that was their case. 1146 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,597 [reporter] Anything to say today, Victor? 1147 01:04:54,140 --> 01:04:55,308 Uh, afterwards. 1148 01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:57,602 [camera shutter clicking] 1149 01:04:57,685 --> 01:04:59,228 [Conte] I will never forget the day 1150 01:04:59,312 --> 01:05:02,690 that I picked up the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle, 1151 01:05:02,773 --> 01:05:04,775 and the headline said, 1152 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:08,738 "40 of 42 BALCO charges dropped." 1153 01:05:08,821 --> 01:05:12,408 And the subtitle was, "The wrist slap heard around the world." 1154 01:05:12,491 --> 01:05:15,091 - [reporters clamoring] - [reporter] Mr. Conte, care to comment... 1155 01:05:15,161 --> 01:05:18,915 [Hurd] Victor Conte pleaded guilty to two felony counts today. 1156 01:05:18,998 --> 01:05:23,085 One, conspiracy to distribute steroids, the other, money laundering. 1157 01:05:23,169 --> 01:05:25,296 The Feds should be embarrassed. 1158 01:05:25,379 --> 01:05:27,506 It started with 42 counts, 1159 01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:30,635 Victor Conte will now plead guilty to only two counts. 1160 01:05:30,718 --> 01:05:34,639 And we quote, "This deal does not require Mr. Conte to assist 1161 01:05:34,722 --> 01:05:39,310 the prosecution of any other person involved in the investigation." 1162 01:05:39,393 --> 01:05:42,154 - [woman] So the athletes walk. - [man] There'll be no federal charges 1163 01:05:42,229 --> 01:05:44,941 and no criminal charges against any athlete. 1164 01:05:45,441 --> 01:05:48,277 Victor Conte was sentenced to six months in federal prison. 1165 01:05:48,361 --> 01:05:49,737 Typically, in federal prison, 1166 01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:52,448 with good behavior, you do 85% of that time. 1167 01:05:52,531 --> 01:05:54,367 So he did a little over four months. 1168 01:05:57,787 --> 01:06:03,292 Here's some pictures that my dad sent me from the, um, prison camp. 1169 01:06:03,376 --> 01:06:05,920 This is him and his cellmate. His name was Evil. 1170 01:06:06,003 --> 01:06:10,049 He was a scare to my dad at first, let me tell you, as you can imagine why. 1171 01:06:10,132 --> 01:06:11,926 Like, oh, I'm dead meat in this cell... 1172 01:06:12,009 --> 01:06:14,720 [laughs] You know, when he first met him, but he had his back, 1173 01:06:14,804 --> 01:06:16,722 and they became good friends. 1174 01:06:16,806 --> 01:06:18,516 They're still friends to this day. 1175 01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:23,020 I was happy to see that he was making friends and really... 1176 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,400 You know, it was humbling. Humbling experience for him, so... 1177 01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:31,362 [Conte] I took full responsibility, 1178 01:06:31,445 --> 01:06:34,323 did not cooperate in any way, shape or form. 1179 01:06:34,407 --> 01:06:35,700 I did some wrongdoing, 1180 01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:38,411 I deserved to go to prison camp just like I did. 1181 01:06:38,494 --> 01:06:40,037 I went and I served my time. 1182 01:06:42,748 --> 01:06:46,669 And, of course, when I went through the... the front door, 1183 01:06:46,752 --> 01:06:48,838 they immediately grabbed me 1184 01:06:48,921 --> 01:06:51,549 and they put me through the metal detector, 1185 01:06:51,632 --> 01:06:53,884 and it was, "Toes and nose against the wall." 1186 01:06:53,968 --> 01:06:58,639 And here I am being handcuffed, and I realized, "I belong to them now." 1187 01:07:00,725 --> 01:07:03,894 And I had mailed myself some magazines, 1188 01:07:03,978 --> 01:07:07,356 and I timed it so that it would get there when I got there. 1189 01:07:10,693 --> 01:07:13,029 When they brought the mail that day, 1190 01:07:13,112 --> 01:07:17,408 they put my mail through the food slot in the door. 1191 01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:21,370 In addition to the magazines I'd sent myself 1192 01:07:22,455 --> 01:07:24,623 was this letter from my youngest daughter. 1193 01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:25,875 Where do you live at? 1194 01:07:25,958 --> 01:07:28,085 I live at my house. 1195 01:07:28,169 --> 01:07:30,337 [Conte] What's... Where's your house? In what city? 1196 01:07:30,421 --> 01:07:33,632 [voice breaking] And there were pictures of my kids, and, uh... 1197 01:07:33,716 --> 01:07:35,926 [emotional music playing] 1198 01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:38,054 Yeah, that's kind of when it all hit me. 1199 01:07:38,929 --> 01:07:40,139 [sniffles] 1200 01:07:40,222 --> 01:07:43,684 [voice breaks] I realized that I'd completely lost control of my life. 1201 01:07:44,268 --> 01:07:45,603 I hadn't really 1202 01:07:46,771 --> 01:07:49,440 reflected upon, you know... 1203 01:07:52,068 --> 01:07:54,904 how serious the consequences were. 1204 01:07:54,987 --> 01:07:58,699 But I thought that, "I'm a big boy, I'm a man." 1205 01:07:58,783 --> 01:08:01,619 "Whatever happens, I'll be able to deal with it." 1206 01:08:02,578 --> 01:08:04,622 I was... Had been a horrible father. 1207 01:08:04,705 --> 01:08:08,167 I took... I took their sense of security away from them. 1208 01:08:09,293 --> 01:08:11,253 And created a lot of uncertainty. 1209 01:08:12,254 --> 01:08:14,799 [Veronica] I think success is addictive, uh, 1210 01:08:14,882 --> 01:08:17,635 praise and credit is addictive, 1211 01:08:17,718 --> 01:08:20,596 but I don't defend what my dad did. 1212 01:08:21,097 --> 01:08:24,517 I think it's clear that he crossed some ethical lines. 1213 01:08:25,351 --> 01:08:26,644 And I wish he didn't. 1214 01:08:27,645 --> 01:08:29,814 [voice breaking] But I didn't realize 1215 01:08:30,648 --> 01:08:34,652 that this was the same effect on all the athletes' families. 1216 01:08:36,028 --> 01:08:38,739 That they had to deal with their kids coming home saying, 1217 01:08:38,823 --> 01:08:42,159 "Dad, at school they're saying you used steroids." 1218 01:08:42,243 --> 01:08:43,744 "Did you use steroids?" 1219 01:08:45,121 --> 01:08:48,707 And kids don't understand, you know, so it's, uh... 1220 01:08:48,791 --> 01:08:50,376 [trembling] 1221 01:08:52,628 --> 01:08:54,672 [Montgomery] Three of my kids run track and field. 1222 01:08:55,548 --> 01:08:58,050 The second-oldest boy has been training with me. 1223 01:08:59,051 --> 01:09:01,220 He's like, "Dad, what steroids do for you?" 1224 01:09:02,054 --> 01:09:03,931 And I said, "Ruin your whole life." 1225 01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:06,267 Runners, take your mark. 1226 01:09:08,102 --> 01:09:09,311 Set. 1227 01:09:09,395 --> 01:09:14,650 I told him, "If you cross the finish line and you were first and tested positive, 1228 01:09:14,733 --> 01:09:15,985 what did you gain?" 1229 01:09:22,575 --> 01:09:25,202 When you leave, you wanna know that you did it right. 1230 01:09:29,623 --> 01:09:31,584 Sometimes you can over try. 1231 01:09:33,002 --> 01:09:35,713 You got to always feel like you don't have a second chance. 1232 01:09:37,214 --> 01:09:38,757 Everything I did in the past, 1233 01:09:39,717 --> 01:09:41,177 all the wrongs I did, 1234 01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:43,804 well, my son said, "Dad, I care nothing about that." 1235 01:09:44,847 --> 01:09:46,390 "I believe in you right now." 1236 01:09:48,684 --> 01:09:50,644 And so, as I think about it... 1237 01:09:52,938 --> 01:09:55,983 Victor Conte believed in Project World Record the same way. 1238 01:09:57,276 --> 01:09:59,862 He believed in the dream. 1239 01:10:01,655 --> 01:10:04,700 I guess in some respects, did we create a monster? 1240 01:10:04,783 --> 01:10:09,246 Uh, maybe a little, but, I mean, I think most people who hear and see Victor Conte 1241 01:10:09,330 --> 01:10:11,582 realize him for who he is, 1242 01:10:11,665 --> 01:10:15,836 and that's, you know, a used car, snake oil salesman guy, 1243 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:16,920 bullshit artist. 1244 01:10:17,546 --> 01:10:19,673 I'd like to dedicate my life 1245 01:10:19,757 --> 01:10:23,928 to helping to create a level playing field for the young athletes of the future. 1246 01:10:24,511 --> 01:10:30,476 I'm, by far, most proud of my contribution to the anti-doping movement, 1247 01:10:30,559 --> 01:10:33,479 and went and met with WADA, the World Anti Doping Agency. 1248 01:10:33,562 --> 01:10:39,610 I reveal specifically how these athletes are circumventing the anti-doping policies 1249 01:10:39,693 --> 01:10:41,320 and procedures in place. 1250 01:10:41,403 --> 01:10:44,865 What they're doing now is they're using duck and dodge techniques. 1251 01:10:44,949 --> 01:10:47,534 Just take it like this and put it under the tongue. 1252 01:10:47,618 --> 01:10:49,286 I think there's abuse going on. 1253 01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:51,747 I think there needs to be a further investigation. 1254 01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:55,292 - But how many guys are using it? - My guess is about 50%. 1255 01:10:55,376 --> 01:10:57,628 [Rogan] Fifty of MMA athletes, or professional athletes? 1256 01:10:57,711 --> 01:10:58,545 Yes, of MMA. 1257 01:10:58,629 --> 01:11:01,173 Now because you can't make a living cheating anymore, 1258 01:11:01,257 --> 01:11:05,177 you want to flip the other side and call people out, pointing fingers? 1259 01:11:05,261 --> 01:11:07,721 I can't believe anybody even listens to this guy, 1260 01:11:07,805 --> 01:11:09,556 anybody even quotes this guy. 1261 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,935 Victor Conte is a two-faced piece of shit. 1262 01:11:13,018 --> 01:11:18,482 So Victor administrated the drugs, then he gave the drug people the system 1263 01:11:18,565 --> 01:11:22,736 on how to catch you now so that he can do something different. 1264 01:11:24,071 --> 01:11:27,032 And that's something you can never take from a hustler, 1265 01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:28,325 the hustle. 1266 01:11:29,326 --> 01:11:32,663 [Conte] It just so happens that the red-light district of sport, 1267 01:11:32,746 --> 01:11:35,249 which is boxing, I was able to find a home there. 1268 01:11:35,332 --> 01:11:36,332 [grunts] 1269 01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:38,210 - [bell rings] - [grunts] 1270 01:11:38,294 --> 01:11:41,005 With Victor, people will come to me and say, 1271 01:11:41,088 --> 01:11:45,551 "He's a cheater and he's going to try to give you drugs or he is giving you drugs," 1272 01:11:45,634 --> 01:11:48,679 and stuff like that, but I never really paid attention to it. 1273 01:11:48,762 --> 01:11:51,348 Yeah, I would say that it is performance-enhancing, 1274 01:11:51,432 --> 01:11:53,100 just without the drugs. 1275 01:11:53,183 --> 01:11:55,644 [chuckling] Victor's definitely the mad scientist. 1276 01:11:56,228 --> 01:11:57,521 You're a beast. 1277 01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:00,357 When you're doing high oxygen here, 1278 01:12:00,983 --> 01:12:04,236 it increases the production of lactic acid, 1279 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:09,533 that, in turn, triggers the production of testosterone and growth hormone. 1280 01:12:09,616 --> 01:12:13,078 Your speed and your power are 10% greater. 1281 01:12:13,579 --> 01:12:16,790 There's a lot of things that work that are legal. 1282 01:12:17,374 --> 01:12:21,170 [commentator] Wanted to see another gear from Devin, he's showing us another gear. 1283 01:12:21,253 --> 01:12:24,006 Devin Haney is 30 and O. 1284 01:12:24,089 --> 01:12:25,924 He defends the undisputed... 1285 01:12:26,008 --> 01:12:29,803 [Novitzky] He'll take any publicity as long as his name is in the lights, 1286 01:12:30,304 --> 01:12:33,098 so I don't think you can believe a word that guy says. 1287 01:12:33,599 --> 01:12:35,476 [riveting music playing] 1288 01:12:35,559 --> 01:12:41,357 The BALCO investigation changed the country's perspective 1289 01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:45,361 and the perspective of the leagues towards drugs. 1290 01:12:45,861 --> 01:12:48,572 This record is not tainted at all. 1291 01:12:49,156 --> 01:12:50,156 At all. 1292 01:12:51,116 --> 01:12:55,371 [Schmidt] And it set off consequential developments 1293 01:12:55,454 --> 01:12:59,666 that create the drug-testing systems today. 1294 01:13:00,626 --> 01:13:04,088 [Veronica] I think the masses remember Victor Conte 1295 01:13:04,171 --> 01:13:07,883 as the guy who single-handedly brought down the world of sport. 1296 01:13:08,467 --> 01:13:09,927 I hope that changes. 1297 01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:12,054 [Hurd] Victor makes things work for him. 1298 01:13:12,137 --> 01:13:15,933 I think that that has a lot to do with him controlling his own narrative. 1299 01:13:16,016 --> 01:13:19,770 I mean, it's the American way. Isn't he still driving a Bentley? 1300 01:13:20,354 --> 01:13:23,857 [Conte] I realized there's no such thing as bad publicity. 1301 01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:27,611 Like, Google Ads, whatever the keywords that you put in, 1302 01:13:27,694 --> 01:13:30,239 if you put in "Barry Bonds" or "Marion Jones" 1303 01:13:30,322 --> 01:13:32,282 or "BALCO" or whatever it is, 1304 01:13:32,866 --> 01:13:35,744 right next to it's an ad for ZMA, right? 1305 01:13:36,245 --> 01:13:39,665 So, in essence, I was turning the lemon into lemonade. 1306 01:13:40,249 --> 01:13:42,209 Should I send the Feds a thank-you card? 1307 01:13:42,292 --> 01:13:44,837 They might have made me millions of dollars. 1308 01:13:46,296 --> 01:13:47,131 [chuckles] 1309 01:13:47,214 --> 01:13:50,426 ["It's All in the Game" by Tommy Edwards plays] 1310 01:13:50,509 --> 01:13:55,305 ♪ But it's all in the game ♪ 1311 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:01,937 ♪ All in the wonderful game... ♪ 1312 01:14:02,020 --> 01:14:06,984 [commentator] ...deals, and Bonds hits one high, hits it deep! 1313 01:14:07,067 --> 01:14:09,820 It is outta here! 1314 01:14:11,947 --> 01:14:13,699 Seven-fifty-six! 1315 01:14:13,782 --> 01:14:18,620 ♪ And your future's looking dim ♪ 1316 01:14:18,704 --> 01:14:20,038 [audience cheering] 1317 01:14:20,122 --> 01:14:22,124 ♪ But these things ♪ 1318 01:14:23,417 --> 01:14:30,299 ♪ Your hearts can rise above ♪ 1319 01:14:33,135 --> 01:14:36,054 ♪ Once in a while he won't call ♪ 1320 01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:39,266 ♪ But it's all ♪ 1321 01:14:40,559 --> 01:14:43,061 ♪ In the game ♪ 1322 01:14:46,648 --> 01:14:49,318 ♪ Soon he'll be there at your side ♪ 1323 01:14:50,986 --> 01:14:54,406 ♪ With a sweet... ♪ 1324 01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:59,536 [commentator] 9.78 seconds. A world record for Tim Montgomery. 1325 01:15:00,996 --> 01:15:02,581 [indistinct chatter] 1326 01:15:02,664 --> 01:15:05,584 [Montgomery] Did I deserve to get taken away? Yes, I did. 1327 01:15:05,667 --> 01:15:09,421 But the experience I'll always live with, 1328 01:15:09,922 --> 01:15:11,882 and that's what they can't take back. 1329 01:15:13,008 --> 01:15:17,221 That moment of doing this... they can never take it back. 1330 01:15:17,721 --> 01:15:18,847 [music stops] 1331 01:15:32,194 --> 01:15:33,654 That's the original sign 1332 01:15:33,737 --> 01:15:38,075 that was up behind the spectrometer and the laboratory of BALCO for 20 years. 1333 01:15:38,158 --> 01:15:40,452 Probably worth at least a buck or two I would think. 1334 01:15:40,536 --> 01:15:42,430 - [producer] You're gonna sell it? - I don't know. 1335 01:15:42,454 --> 01:15:45,457 No, we'll probably just give it to the baseball hall of fame.