1 00:00:06,591 --> 00:00:08,676 [mesmerizing music playing] 2 00:00:22,857 --> 00:00:23,816 [beeps] 3 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,446 [Victor Conte] People joke that 4 00:00:29,238 --> 00:00:32,366 I like to blow things up just to see where all the pieces land. 5 00:00:33,534 --> 00:00:35,995 They've called me-- A lot of people have called me a genius… 6 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:38,247 -[intriguing music playing] -…but, you know, 7 00:00:38,331 --> 00:00:40,166 sometimes people call that reckless. 8 00:00:40,958 --> 00:00:44,420 This is a story that broke last week and it's been growing ever since. 9 00:00:44,504 --> 00:00:45,588 A federal grand jury 10 00:00:45,671 --> 00:00:49,592 is going to begin hearing testimony this week from some very major athletes. 11 00:00:49,675 --> 00:00:51,511 [reporter 1] Investigating Victor Conte. 12 00:00:51,594 --> 00:00:53,346 [reporters] Victor Conte. 13 00:00:53,429 --> 00:00:55,932 [reporter 2] The president of BALCO Laboratories. 14 00:00:56,015 --> 00:00:59,811 [Conte] "BALCO" is a word that's now forever in the lexicon. 15 00:00:59,894 --> 00:01:00,770 [man] BALCO. 16 00:01:00,853 --> 00:01:02,605 BALCO. 17 00:01:02,688 --> 00:01:05,191 The biggest doping scandal in sports history. 18 00:01:05,775 --> 00:01:09,654 [Conte] Articles had come out saying I was a modern-day Al Capone, 19 00:01:09,737 --> 00:01:11,614 the BALCO mastermind… 20 00:01:11,697 --> 00:01:14,450 [chuckling] …Dr. Frankenstein, you know, from BALCO. 21 00:01:15,118 --> 00:01:17,161 [reporter 3] They were searching for evidence, 22 00:01:17,245 --> 00:01:21,457 linking Conte to a previously undetected steroid known as THG. 23 00:01:21,541 --> 00:01:23,209 They called it The Clear. 24 00:01:23,292 --> 00:01:24,752 It is a designer steroid-- 25 00:01:24,836 --> 00:01:27,505 Made for the sole purpose of cheating. 26 00:01:27,588 --> 00:01:32,009 It is now a full-blown conspiracy with ties to top athletes-- 27 00:01:32,093 --> 00:01:34,387 [news anchor 1] From baseball, football, track and field-- 28 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:37,557 [news anchor 2] Including home run record breaker, Barry Bonds. 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:38,766 [commentator] A high drive… 30 00:01:38,850 --> 00:01:41,727 [Conte] The whole investigation, in my opinion, 31 00:01:41,811 --> 00:01:43,938 was all about chasing headlines. 32 00:01:44,021 --> 00:01:48,860 Unfortunately, some in professional sports are not setting much of an example. 33 00:01:48,943 --> 00:01:51,988 This is about values, it's about our culture. 34 00:01:52,071 --> 00:01:56,075 Major League Baseball had a very, very serious problem with steroids. 35 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:57,451 It wasn't dealt with. 36 00:01:57,535 --> 00:01:59,620 [Conte] I knew they didn't have the evidence 37 00:01:59,704 --> 00:02:01,330 that they claimed that they had, 38 00:02:01,414 --> 00:02:05,376 and that's why I walked out into a sea of reporters and did this. 39 00:02:06,544 --> 00:02:08,087 That meant this. 40 00:02:08,171 --> 00:02:10,715 [Tim Montgomery] Victor Conte is a person that can come across 41 00:02:10,798 --> 00:02:12,466 to be anybody he wants to. 42 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:16,137 [Jeff Novitzky] I think most people who hear and see Victor Conte 43 00:02:16,220 --> 00:02:17,763 realize him for who he is, 44 00:02:17,847 --> 00:02:22,310 and that's, you know, a used car, snake oil salesman, bullshit artist. 45 00:02:22,852 --> 00:02:28,482 [Conte] It was fun, it was exciting. It was about trying to be great. 46 00:02:28,566 --> 00:02:32,320 When Marion Jones hit the finish line and won the gold medal, 47 00:02:32,403 --> 00:02:34,697 when Barry Bonds hit all those home runs. 48 00:02:34,780 --> 00:02:36,866 [riveting music playing] 49 00:02:39,368 --> 00:02:42,663 [commentator] Bonds hits one! Deep to right field. 50 00:02:42,747 --> 00:02:45,791 The record has changed again. Barry Bonds… 51 00:02:45,875 --> 00:02:48,502 [Conte] You know, any of these great accomplishments, 52 00:02:49,086 --> 00:02:51,505 those are things that I'll always be proud of. 53 00:02:52,548 --> 00:02:55,218 ["Your Sweet Love" by Lee Hazlewood playing] 54 00:03:08,064 --> 00:03:15,071 ♪ Stranger's arms reach out ♪ 55 00:03:15,154 --> 00:03:16,989 ♪ To me ♪ 56 00:03:17,949 --> 00:03:21,994 ♪ 'Cause they know ♪ 57 00:03:22,078 --> 00:03:26,874 ♪ I'm so lonely ♪ 58 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,796 ♪ Then my mind ♪ 59 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:36,634 ♪ Goes back to you ♪ 60 00:03:37,593 --> 00:03:41,722 ♪ Your sweet love ♪ 61 00:03:42,348 --> 00:03:45,726 ♪ Sees me through ♪ 62 00:03:49,438 --> 00:03:51,857 -[insects trilling] -[panting] 63 00:03:51,941 --> 00:03:54,026 [dog barking in distance] 64 00:03:59,865 --> 00:04:03,119 [nuanced music playing] 65 00:04:05,454 --> 00:04:08,791 Welcome to the hall of fame, or hall of shame, 66 00:04:08,874 --> 00:04:10,376 depending upon your viewpoint. 67 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,964 Okay, this is one of, uh, two autographed photos 68 00:04:15,047 --> 00:04:16,132 that I have from Barry. 69 00:04:16,215 --> 00:04:18,968 This one's "To Victor" and the other one is "To BALCO." 70 00:04:20,678 --> 00:04:24,557 And this is a Sports Illustrated of Marion Jones here. 71 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,727 This is back in the 2000 time frame. 72 00:04:30,313 --> 00:04:34,650 This is Tim Montgomery at the world championships in 2001. 73 00:04:34,734 --> 00:04:36,527 That was in Edmonton, Canada. 74 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:39,530 When we started working with him, his name was Tiny Tim. 75 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,032 Charlie Francis, he said, 76 00:04:41,115 --> 00:04:44,201 "Show me somebody not on steroids and I'll show you a loser." 77 00:04:44,285 --> 00:04:45,536 There is a level playing field, 78 00:04:45,619 --> 00:04:48,247 it's just not the one everyone thought it was, okay? 79 00:04:48,831 --> 00:04:51,584 [producer] A lot of these people used steroids, right? 80 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:56,922 From 1984 when I started BALCO until 2000, for 16 years, 81 00:04:57,006 --> 00:04:59,759 I never gave anybody any sort of illegal drugs. 82 00:04:59,842 --> 00:05:04,221 It was a legitimate business providing nutritional element information 83 00:05:04,305 --> 00:05:06,432 through comprehensive blood testing. 84 00:05:06,515 --> 00:05:07,808 Thank you very much. 85 00:05:07,892 --> 00:05:11,103 Yes, as Ken stated, my name is Victor Conte, 86 00:05:11,187 --> 00:05:14,273 and I'm the executive director of BALCO Laboratories, 87 00:05:14,357 --> 00:05:18,903 BALCO standing for, uh, Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, 88 00:05:18,986 --> 00:05:22,323 and I'm also the-- the founder of something called the SNAC system. 89 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:26,786 They've called it Victor's knack, that whatever I decide to do, 90 00:05:26,869 --> 00:05:29,789 I can go straight to the top, and I taught myself. 91 00:05:31,207 --> 00:05:33,042 I got a library card, 92 00:05:33,125 --> 00:05:35,461 and I pulled all these scientific journals, 93 00:05:35,544 --> 00:05:39,006 then I would read 'em all. I went across zinc and muscle strength, 94 00:05:39,090 --> 00:05:41,175 zinc and testosterone. 95 00:05:41,258 --> 00:05:45,012 I learned athletes can be low in iron, they could be lower in copper. 96 00:05:45,096 --> 00:05:48,599 Some of these deficiencies are connected with various symptoms like 97 00:05:48,682 --> 00:05:51,519 muscle cramps or lack of concentration. 98 00:05:51,602 --> 00:05:53,896 And we-- Hopefully, by, uh, giving some input, 99 00:05:53,979 --> 00:05:56,273 we can help the United States win a few more gold medals. 100 00:05:56,857 --> 00:06:00,569 I put together this partnership and raised money and started BALCO. 101 00:06:02,988 --> 00:06:05,574 Update on the BALCO Laboratory facility. 102 00:06:05,658 --> 00:06:09,662 There's a new building. We'll walk into the lab area. 103 00:06:11,205 --> 00:06:15,167 We started testing athletes, one led to another, and… 104 00:06:15,251 --> 00:06:18,462 The first-world-class athletes that I tested were in track and field. 105 00:06:18,546 --> 00:06:22,174 And then Matt Biondi, who was the world's fastest swimmer at the time. 106 00:06:22,258 --> 00:06:25,719 So I could collect all this data that was valuable to them. 107 00:06:25,803 --> 00:06:28,681 You know, I was kind of a natural-born promoter. 108 00:06:28,764 --> 00:06:30,683 The next thing you know, NBA players. 109 00:06:30,766 --> 00:06:35,020 I worked with the entire Seattle SuperSonics team in '92 and '93. 110 00:06:35,104 --> 00:06:38,107 [sports commentator speaks indistinctly] 111 00:06:39,316 --> 00:06:43,529 But for me to actually enhance the performance of the athletes, 112 00:06:43,612 --> 00:06:45,865 I had to learn how to formulate supplements. 113 00:06:45,948 --> 00:06:50,161 So I created a whole line of mineral and trace element products 114 00:06:50,244 --> 00:06:56,292 and formulated ZMA, and that-- I mean, it was like a rocket ship. 115 00:06:57,585 --> 00:07:02,381 Pretty soon, Bill Romanowski showed up from the Denver Broncos. 116 00:07:02,465 --> 00:07:05,134 And he-- he was the gateway to the NFL for-- for me. 117 00:07:05,676 --> 00:07:08,846 Then all of a sudden I had 250 NFL players. 118 00:07:11,307 --> 00:07:13,976 [indistinct chatter and laughter] 119 00:07:15,603 --> 00:07:17,897 [Conte] Are you going to assault the world record, Gregg? 120 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:20,191 [chuckles] Mr. Zinc. Call me Zinc. 121 00:07:20,274 --> 00:07:22,234 -[Conte] Mr. Zinc. -[laughter] 122 00:07:22,318 --> 00:07:26,405 [Conte] So from '84, all the way until 2000, 123 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:32,244 everything that BALCO and SNAC did was completely legal, completely clean. 124 00:07:32,328 --> 00:07:35,915 No athletes were ever given any sort of performance-enhancing drug. 125 00:07:36,749 --> 00:07:42,296 [chuckling] Now, were some of these guys using drugs, like shot putters? Of course. 126 00:07:42,379 --> 00:07:45,049 I just wasn't involved in-- in providing those to them. 127 00:07:45,132 --> 00:07:45,966 [clapping] 128 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:49,595 But I knew the use of performance-enhancing drugs 129 00:07:49,678 --> 00:07:52,431 in Olympic sport was rampant. 130 00:07:53,015 --> 00:07:55,142 [commentator] Carl Lewis is in lane three. 131 00:07:55,643 --> 00:07:57,853 [Conte] In the Olympic Games in '88 in Seoul, 132 00:07:57,937 --> 00:07:59,772 of course Ben Johnson stands out. 133 00:07:59,855 --> 00:08:06,237 [commentator 1] And Johnson does it again. Unbelievable. Nine-seven-nine. 134 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,406 [commentator 2] New world record. Incredible. 135 00:08:10,282 --> 00:08:12,826 Now, I've just been handed a piece of paper that, if it's right, 136 00:08:12,910 --> 00:08:16,080 it'll be the most dramatic story out of these Olympics or perhaps any others. 137 00:08:16,163 --> 00:08:18,874 Ben Johnson has been stripped of his gold medal 138 00:08:18,958 --> 00:08:21,544 for testing positive to using anabolic steroids. 139 00:08:21,627 --> 00:08:25,839 [reporter] He is one of the athletes under a cloud of suspicion for a while, 140 00:08:25,923 --> 00:08:28,008 as is his coach, Charlie Francis. 141 00:08:28,092 --> 00:08:31,178 [Charlie Francis] Where you offer an athlete only two choices, 142 00:08:31,262 --> 00:08:35,766 run clean and lose or take drugs and win, then of course the choices will be clear. 143 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,227 [Conte] Working with elite athletes, 144 00:08:38,310 --> 00:08:42,606 I realized this is what happens at the elite level of sport. 145 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:46,652 This is what it takes to go to the next level. 146 00:08:46,735 --> 00:08:48,237 Reports on a frightening sign 147 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,447 that sports competition is being pushed too far. 148 00:08:50,531 --> 00:08:51,615 Steroids. 149 00:08:51,699 --> 00:08:54,118 [reporter] America's newest drug epidemic. 150 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:55,953 President Bush recently signed a bill 151 00:08:56,036 --> 00:09:00,457 which, for the first time, classifies steroids as controlled substances. 152 00:09:00,958 --> 00:09:05,379 Said it's the classic dilemma between the fair play associated with sport 153 00:09:05,462 --> 00:09:06,880 and the desire to win. 154 00:09:06,964 --> 00:09:09,883 [people clamoring] 155 00:09:12,094 --> 00:09:15,639 In my experience, 80% of athletes say, 156 00:09:15,723 --> 00:09:19,435 "I'm not gonna invest 10 years of my life then walk away, so give me those pills." 157 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:25,441 [Montgomery] I hate losing. 158 00:09:26,442 --> 00:09:30,696 I hate for anyone to look at me and say they beat me. 159 00:09:31,447 --> 00:09:34,199 And I think that comes from my childhood, 160 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:36,452 because they called me Tiny Tim. 161 00:09:37,828 --> 00:09:39,330 I hate the name Tiny Tim. 162 00:09:40,998 --> 00:09:43,000 I remember watching Conan the Barbarian. 163 00:09:43,083 --> 00:09:44,668 ["Wheel of Pain" by B. Poledouris plays] 164 00:09:44,752 --> 00:09:47,171 How he pushed the wheel and he became so strong. 165 00:09:48,631 --> 00:09:51,383 I would cut grass. We had an old push lawn mower. 166 00:09:51,467 --> 00:09:54,553 The lawn mower was this tall, and it had a little centerpiece there, 167 00:09:54,637 --> 00:09:56,013 so I'd be pushing, you know, 168 00:09:56,096 --> 00:10:00,392 and everybody was looking at me, at little Timmy push the lawn mower. 169 00:10:00,476 --> 00:10:04,104 I'd push all that yard because I wanted to be like Conan the Barbarian. 170 00:10:04,188 --> 00:10:07,191 I wanted to be stronger, faster. I wanted to be everything. 171 00:10:08,233 --> 00:10:12,237 So I was really, in essence, training myself for my near future. 172 00:10:13,697 --> 00:10:16,492 My goal was-- was to be the best in the world, 173 00:10:16,575 --> 00:10:17,951 the greatest of all time. 174 00:10:18,744 --> 00:10:22,247 [commentator] Tim Montgomery of the US may be, uh, a sleeper in this field. 175 00:10:22,331 --> 00:10:26,377 [Montgomery] In 1997, I ran nine times under ten seconds… 176 00:10:26,460 --> 00:10:28,420 [commentator] Montgomery and Donovan Bailey. 177 00:10:28,504 --> 00:10:31,256 …so I knew what I could do naturally. 178 00:10:31,340 --> 00:10:32,800 I just needed more power. 179 00:10:32,883 --> 00:10:34,635 [commentator] He's a little bit smaller. 180 00:10:34,718 --> 00:10:36,970 I think he may need to put on a few pounds, 181 00:10:37,054 --> 00:10:38,514 and I think his time is coming… 182 00:10:38,597 --> 00:10:42,434 [Montgomery] So, in 1999, I moved down to Raleigh, North Carolina, 183 00:10:43,018 --> 00:10:47,189 and I started training with Trevor Graham, Marion Jones' coach. 184 00:10:48,148 --> 00:10:49,692 And the workouts was-- 185 00:10:49,775 --> 00:10:51,110 Couldn't finish 'em. 186 00:10:51,610 --> 00:10:55,447 So I go to Trevor's house and he got tapes of Ben Johnson. 187 00:10:56,323 --> 00:10:57,199 I mean… 188 00:10:58,117 --> 00:11:00,703 I can't do no start like that. It ain't how I start. 189 00:11:00,786 --> 00:11:02,871 He's like, "No, you see that raw power?" 190 00:11:03,706 --> 00:11:08,043 And that's when I was introduced to the dark side. 191 00:11:08,127 --> 00:11:09,962 Performance-enhancing drugs. 192 00:11:11,255 --> 00:11:13,048 [Conte] The Ben Johnson race, 193 00:11:13,132 --> 00:11:16,927 eventually, something like six or seven out of the eight guys 194 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:20,013 were suspected of using performance-enhancing drugs. 195 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:23,016 If you run at least two meters faster, 196 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:26,270 this is the difference of 10 flat and 9-8. Okay? 197 00:11:26,353 --> 00:11:30,733 So you're-- you're-- A guy not on stuff is going to have a very difficult time 198 00:11:30,816 --> 00:11:32,860 competing with somebody who's on stuff. 199 00:11:34,111 --> 00:11:38,115 [Montgomery] When I got with Graham, I saw that the best was doing it. 200 00:11:38,824 --> 00:11:41,744 I assumed that this was what everybody was doing. 201 00:11:42,995 --> 00:11:47,708 [Conte] When I realized the hypocrisy of all of this, 202 00:11:47,791 --> 00:11:51,378 I decided it was time to start playing by the real rules of sport, 203 00:11:51,462 --> 00:11:54,506 and the rest is history, as they say. 204 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:57,551 [hard rock music playing] 205 00:12:07,352 --> 00:12:11,690 [Conte] I went to a-- a bodybuilding show in San Francisco, 206 00:12:11,774 --> 00:12:15,319 and I was introduced to these 25 pro bodybuilders, 207 00:12:15,402 --> 00:12:17,196 all the biggest names in the sport. 208 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:18,280 Whoo! 209 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:22,409 [Conte] And it's the only professional sport 210 00:12:22,493 --> 00:12:24,787 where the use of steroids is a mandate. 211 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:30,584 And so I stood up to tell them we did this testing of minerals and trace elements, 212 00:12:30,667 --> 00:12:35,798 but we also have the ability to do all of the comprehensive drug testing. 213 00:12:35,881 --> 00:12:37,466 [hard rock music continues] 214 00:12:39,927 --> 00:12:42,679 [Conte] We tested those 25 bodybuilders… 215 00:12:43,514 --> 00:12:44,348 [ding] 216 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:47,226 …and I said, "These Winstrol tablets you think you're taking?" 217 00:12:47,309 --> 00:12:49,770 "There's no Winstrol in your urine. These are fake." 218 00:12:51,814 --> 00:12:56,693 That's how I became a part of that world and tried to learn about steroids. 219 00:12:57,820 --> 00:13:02,366 It was a new challenge, and that's what makes me tick. 220 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:04,451 You know, that's what got the wheels turning. 221 00:13:06,745 --> 00:13:08,247 [riveting music playing] 222 00:13:08,330 --> 00:13:09,540 [Catlin] I'm Oliver Catlin. 223 00:13:09,623 --> 00:13:14,336 I am the son of the guru of sport drug testing, Dr. Don Catlin. 224 00:13:14,419 --> 00:13:19,049 And today I am the president of Banned Substances Control Group. 225 00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:25,305 In anti-doping, the level playing field is what we strive for, 226 00:13:25,389 --> 00:13:28,308 but it's hard to achieve. 227 00:13:28,892 --> 00:13:32,145 Victor knew what he wanted in undetectable drugs, 228 00:13:32,229 --> 00:13:34,356 but he didn't know how to make those himself, 229 00:13:34,439 --> 00:13:38,318 and that's where the skill set of Patrick Arnold as a chemist came in. 230 00:13:38,819 --> 00:13:41,697 [Conte] At the Mr. Olympia Expo in Las Vegas 231 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:43,407 is where I met Patrick Arnold, 232 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:45,242 and he just said he had some stuff 233 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:47,369 that seemed to, you know, help with recovery. 234 00:13:47,452 --> 00:13:51,290 He didn't really even tell me what it was. And so I bought a bottle of it from him. 235 00:13:51,874 --> 00:13:54,251 It was a clear liquid, you used an eyedropper 236 00:13:54,334 --> 00:13:57,588 and you put drops under your tongue. It was sublingual absorption. 237 00:13:58,171 --> 00:14:01,091 Took it myself and it felt great. 238 00:14:02,217 --> 00:14:04,428 And then I did some testing on it, 239 00:14:04,511 --> 00:14:08,765 where I measured my testosterone the next day, the next day and the next. 240 00:14:09,641 --> 00:14:13,478 And I realized, "Boy, this stuff acts like an anabolic steroid." 241 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:20,277 Many of the steroids had been built by pharmaceuticals and just not used, 242 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,780 but when we got to BALCO, new drugs were literally created. 243 00:14:24,656 --> 00:14:28,911 Patrick bubbled hydrogen through gestrinone, a birth control pill, 244 00:14:28,994 --> 00:14:34,166 and it turned into one of the most anabolic steroids that was ever created. 245 00:14:36,043 --> 00:14:40,088 [Conte] Then when I did the comprehensive drug testing, it came back as clean. 246 00:14:40,631 --> 00:14:42,049 -[ding] -It was undetectable. 247 00:14:42,132 --> 00:14:43,467 Oh, shit, you know? 248 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:45,093 Then the light bulb went on. 249 00:14:46,011 --> 00:14:48,847 [Catlin] And I think he saw performance-enhancing drugs 250 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:52,100 that were undetectable were a much quicker avenue 251 00:14:52,184 --> 00:14:55,520 than the legitimate nutrition products that he was selling. 252 00:14:56,563 --> 00:14:59,733 That's when I started giving it to athletes, at the beginning of 2000. 253 00:15:11,828 --> 00:15:12,746 How about this? 254 00:15:13,622 --> 00:15:15,248 [producer] What do you got? 255 00:15:15,332 --> 00:15:21,296 This is Marion Jones at the, uh, 2000 Olympics in Sydney 256 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:25,550 that they opened up where she wins by something like four meters. 257 00:15:25,634 --> 00:15:30,472 That just shows you the type of dominance that Marion had at that time. 258 00:15:33,392 --> 00:15:37,604 Going into the 2000 Summer Olympics, Marion Jones was the golden girl. 259 00:15:37,688 --> 00:15:39,398 [commentator 1] …Jones taking command. 260 00:15:39,481 --> 00:15:41,191 [commentator 2] She has yet to be beaten. 261 00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:43,902 [commentator 3] Her goal this year, she'll say it: To be undefeated. 262 00:15:43,986 --> 00:15:45,028 She's a competitor. 263 00:15:45,696 --> 00:15:48,281 Marion Jones is making three million dollars a year. 264 00:15:48,365 --> 00:15:52,577 In Sydney, she's going for five medals, trying to be the greatest of all time. 265 00:15:52,661 --> 00:15:55,163 The only time I even consider the quest for five 266 00:15:55,247 --> 00:15:57,040 is when people mention it. [laughs] 267 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,752 [Conte] She had sponsorships with General Motors, 268 00:16:00,836 --> 00:16:05,382 American Express, Nike, you know, the commercial "Can you dig it?" 269 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:09,261 [Jones] We need more role models. The more, the better. 270 00:16:09,344 --> 00:16:10,762 Can you dig it? 271 00:16:10,846 --> 00:16:12,848 I had not talked with Marion, 272 00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:15,350 but had talked with her trainer, Trevor Graham. 273 00:16:15,434 --> 00:16:17,561 They were using traditional testosterone 274 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:19,604 and EPO and growth hormone, 275 00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:22,566 and they said, "We hear you have this undetectable substance." 276 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:25,027 "Can you help, uh, Marion Jones?" 277 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:30,073 And immediately I realized this was a very, very big moment, 278 00:16:31,116 --> 00:16:34,286 and I sent a box of some of this stuff to them. 279 00:16:34,369 --> 00:16:37,497 [Australia's National Anthem, "Advance Australia Fair" playing] 280 00:16:38,957 --> 00:16:44,212 [woman] I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, 281 00:16:44,296 --> 00:16:51,011 committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs. 282 00:16:51,094 --> 00:16:56,016 Once we got there, we created a-- a calendar for Marion. 283 00:16:56,099 --> 00:17:00,562 We determined what to take, how much to take, when to take it. 284 00:17:01,313 --> 00:17:04,149 Of course, it was all based on circumventing the testing. 285 00:17:05,275 --> 00:17:08,779 [commentator] Marion Jones has seven of the fastest 11 times ever run. 286 00:17:09,488 --> 00:17:14,659 [Conte] I got tickets to sit at the finish line of the 100 meters. 287 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,620 It was insane. 288 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:18,830 [commentator] Set. 289 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:23,877 Away. Pretty good start for Jones. She's in the winning position. 290 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,962 Early startup, pulling away slowly. 291 00:17:26,046 --> 00:17:28,507 We were shooting for the-- for the top of the mountain. 292 00:17:28,590 --> 00:17:31,093 [commentator] Jones going hard. Lawrence has had a good first 50. 293 00:17:31,176 --> 00:17:33,595 Jones clearly in front. Look at the margin. 294 00:17:33,678 --> 00:17:34,888 She's straining them. 295 00:17:34,971 --> 00:17:36,431 [Conte] I knew she would win, 296 00:17:36,515 --> 00:17:40,018 but I didn't think she'd blow everybody away Flo-Jo style 297 00:17:40,102 --> 00:17:41,478 and win by four meters. 298 00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:45,107 [commentator] She absolutely annihilated them. 299 00:17:45,649 --> 00:17:49,736 [Conte] Marion ended up winning five medals at the Olympics in Sydney. 300 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:53,865 It felt great to just be a part of her success. 301 00:17:54,449 --> 00:17:56,660 -We're done. We're done. -We're done. 302 00:17:58,453 --> 00:18:02,082 [Michael Schmidt] I think the-- the thing about the BALCO investigation 303 00:18:02,582 --> 00:18:05,752 is that it brings you behind the scenes 304 00:18:06,253 --> 00:18:12,717 into largely criminal activity that was done in secret. 305 00:18:12,801 --> 00:18:17,514 And it's-- it's exposing what these athletes were willing to do 306 00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:19,349 to try and succeed. 307 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:22,727 [commentator] That one's high. 308 00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:25,730 Deep right field, gone! Home run, Barry Bonds. 309 00:18:25,814 --> 00:18:27,691 [audience cheering] 310 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:30,986 [Schmidt] Steroids were banned in baseball at the time, 311 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:33,155 but there was no testing for them, 312 00:18:33,905 --> 00:18:37,367 and, in the late '90s into the early 2000s, 313 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:40,704 it's just like an explosion in home runs. 314 00:18:40,787 --> 00:18:43,748 [commentator] Canseco looks like the sort of a comic book hero: Huge. 315 00:18:43,832 --> 00:18:45,876 Wow, did he crush that one? 316 00:18:46,376 --> 00:18:53,216 Then in 1998, there was this chase to break the single-season home run record 317 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:56,803 between two great sluggers, Mark McGwire… 318 00:18:56,887 --> 00:18:59,723 [commentator] Number 45 for McGwire. 319 00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:00,932 [Schmidt] …and Sammy Sosa. 320 00:19:01,016 --> 00:19:03,351 [commentator] One for two and he sends a rocket. Number 48. 321 00:19:03,935 --> 00:19:08,732 And it completely captivated the country. 322 00:19:09,983 --> 00:19:11,818 [commentator 1] Sixty! 323 00:19:12,903 --> 00:19:15,071 [commentator 2] Can you say "66"? 324 00:19:16,281 --> 00:19:17,908 [commentator speaking indistinctly] 325 00:19:17,991 --> 00:19:24,080 Number 70! How much more can you give us than that? Number 70… 326 00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:28,335 [Schmidt] Bonds saw what Sosa and McGwire had done. 327 00:19:28,418 --> 00:19:32,839 At that point in Bonds' career, he was already a Hall of Famer. 328 00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:37,719 He basically said to himself, "I know I'm better than these guys." 329 00:19:37,802 --> 00:19:38,720 [man] Whoo! 330 00:19:38,803 --> 00:19:42,766 [Schmidt] "There's no reason I shouldn't be performing at that level." 331 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:44,976 But he was at an age 332 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:48,396 when most players' careers are on the downtick, 333 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,106 when they retire from the game. 334 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:53,610 And-- And I'm trying to think of, what next level can I get to? 335 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,946 What-- What can keep me motivated 336 00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:58,698 to do the things that I've been doing day in and day out? 337 00:19:58,782 --> 00:20:02,160 [Conte] Greg Anderson, Barry's trainer, brought him to-- to BALCO. 338 00:20:03,078 --> 00:20:06,373 You know, he asked if-- if we could work with Barry 339 00:20:06,456 --> 00:20:10,377 and test his blood and see what nutritional elements that he may need. 340 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:12,045 And then after providing Barry 341 00:20:12,128 --> 00:20:15,382 with a number of different legal nutritional supplements. 342 00:20:16,258 --> 00:20:20,178 I've lost more championships in my life more than ever, ever. 343 00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:25,392 I mean, I almost get numb at times. It just eats me up so bad. 344 00:20:25,475 --> 00:20:27,185 [Conte] In a year's time there, 345 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:29,521 Barry put on, like, 20 pounds in an off-season. 346 00:20:29,604 --> 00:20:31,731 My recollection is he weighed 208, 347 00:20:31,815 --> 00:20:34,985 and then the following season he weighed 228. 348 00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:38,738 And so we provided all sorts of nutritional supplements, 349 00:20:38,822 --> 00:20:40,573 but nothing beyond that. 350 00:20:41,533 --> 00:20:45,453 [producer] I think people assume you're his doctor giving steroids all the time. 351 00:20:45,537 --> 00:20:48,206 Not true. He does have a personal doctor, who I met, but… 352 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:49,332 [chuckles] …it's not me. 353 00:20:49,416 --> 00:20:51,835 I not only didn't give him The Clear or The Cream 354 00:20:51,918 --> 00:20:53,503 or any other anabolic steroids, 355 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:58,300 but I've never even discussed steroids with him, not a word ever. 356 00:20:58,383 --> 00:21:01,219 In my opinion, the entire investigation was-- 357 00:21:01,303 --> 00:21:03,221 Had everything to do with Barry Bonds. 358 00:21:03,305 --> 00:21:04,597 He was the target. 359 00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:08,852 [Novitzky] My name is Jeff Novitzky. 360 00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:12,230 I was lead investigator on the BALCO Laboratories investigation, 361 00:21:12,314 --> 00:21:15,442 one of the highest-profile performance-enhancing drug investigations 362 00:21:15,525 --> 00:21:16,359 of all time. 363 00:21:16,943 --> 00:21:20,697 And I carry an immense, immense love for sport. 364 00:21:20,780 --> 00:21:23,408 Basketball, I wanted to go to the NBA until, 365 00:21:23,491 --> 00:21:24,868 maybe mid-part of college 366 00:21:24,951 --> 00:21:27,746 where you realize that's probably not in the cards. 367 00:21:28,455 --> 00:21:32,625 And after college, came across an entry from IRS criminal investigation division, 368 00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:36,755 and I'll never forget this, their motto was "Be an accountant with a gun." 369 00:21:37,756 --> 00:21:39,257 And I thought, "All right, 370 00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:41,509 that's something I could be interested in." 371 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:45,805 I remember sitting in a class and having a senior agent come in saying, 372 00:21:45,889 --> 00:21:48,475 "Make cases out of things that you just see around you." 373 00:21:48,558 --> 00:21:50,393 "You don't need to wait for an official referral 374 00:21:50,477 --> 00:21:51,686 from Washington, D.C." 375 00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:55,940 "If you see this really nice Ferrari going down the street, 376 00:21:56,024 --> 00:21:59,861 run their plate and see if that person would be making that kind of money." 377 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,822 "If they don't, then maybe you should look further into that." 378 00:22:03,323 --> 00:22:07,577 And I started to hear in the '90s about BALCO Laboratories, 379 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:12,165 which, as the crow flies, is probably less than a mile from where I lived. 380 00:22:12,248 --> 00:22:17,253 And that, despite them claiming that they were a blood testing laboratory, 381 00:22:17,337 --> 00:22:21,383 what they were really doing is providing athletes with performance-enhancing drugs. 382 00:22:22,717 --> 00:22:26,096 One of the first things I did was query the currency transaction database, 383 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:28,807 and saw that Victor Conte and BALCO Laboratories 384 00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:32,352 were withdrawing hundreds of thousands of dollars in currency 385 00:22:32,936 --> 00:22:35,397 for a purported blood testing laboratory. 386 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,400 That, by itself, appeared suspicious and didn't seem right. 387 00:22:39,526 --> 00:22:41,403 Go on to some of the online message boards, 388 00:22:41,486 --> 00:22:44,823 and Victor Conte talks very openly about steroids 389 00:22:44,906 --> 00:22:47,325 and his knowledge of what drugs do what, 390 00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:51,329 about how much they cost, about every athlete that he's worked with, 391 00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:55,250 and when I saw these athletes that were going to BALCO, 392 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:58,086 including Barry Bonds, I thought to myself, 393 00:22:58,169 --> 00:23:03,049 "This could potentially get more attention than any investigation before it, 394 00:23:03,758 --> 00:23:08,263 so we probably need to kind of expand and see who else is involved." 395 00:23:11,975 --> 00:23:15,770 My first time seeing Victor was in Sydney, 396 00:23:15,854 --> 00:23:19,357 and we partied every single day. 397 00:23:21,025 --> 00:23:22,652 Every single day. 398 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:24,571 [chuckles] 399 00:23:24,654 --> 00:23:27,907 [Conte] At that time, he was ranked number eight in the world. 400 00:23:27,991 --> 00:23:32,078 [commentator] Men's 4 by 100 underway, and here's the handoff to Tim Montgomery 401 00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:33,163 and the US has the lead… 402 00:23:33,246 --> 00:23:35,123 [Conte] He was one of the top guys. 403 00:23:35,206 --> 00:23:37,625 I decided it was time to take it to another level, 404 00:23:37,709 --> 00:23:39,294 and help him break the world record. 405 00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:44,632 [Montgomery] At that time, the record was 9.79, held by Maurice Greene. 406 00:23:44,716 --> 00:23:47,760 I was in that race, 1999, when he broke it in Greece. 407 00:23:48,595 --> 00:23:51,222 [commentator] Nine-seven-nine. Does that ring a bell? 408 00:23:51,306 --> 00:23:52,682 As just mentioned, Ben Johnson 409 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:55,477 had that very same time at the '88 Olympics in Seoul, 410 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,397 only to be stripped of the gold medal after testing positive. 411 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:02,025 [Montgomery] Whoever broke the world record in the 100 meters, 412 00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:05,111 you were the fastest human ever. 413 00:24:05,195 --> 00:24:06,654 It's like a unicorn. 414 00:24:07,655 --> 00:24:11,659 I told Maurice, "It's yours for now, but I'll be back to get it." 415 00:24:11,743 --> 00:24:16,206 I had already run down nine-nine-two in 1997. Clean. 416 00:24:16,289 --> 00:24:17,790 [commentator] …at the finish line… 417 00:24:17,874 --> 00:24:22,545 Once Victor understood that I had been clean, 418 00:24:23,671 --> 00:24:26,007 he said, "You're gonna break the world record." 419 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:28,676 I told Victor Conte, "I don't care if I die." 420 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:34,474 "I want to see what it feels like to be the greatest at any cost possible." 421 00:24:34,557 --> 00:24:36,893 It's almost like selling your soul to the devil. 422 00:24:37,894 --> 00:24:41,606 And that's when I made that decision to help Tim Montgomery 423 00:24:41,689 --> 00:24:45,360 to become the world's fastest human, and-- and I took it as a challenge. 424 00:24:45,944 --> 00:24:48,071 And we were gonna call it Project World Record. 425 00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:49,030 [man] Set. 426 00:24:49,113 --> 00:24:50,907 [intriguing jazz music playing] 427 00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:54,869 [Montgomery] When we got back, we were going to put together the plan. 428 00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:58,498 What do the program needs to look like 429 00:24:58,581 --> 00:25:03,670 in order to get nine-nine-two to nine-seven-five? 430 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:08,258 So you can talk about stuff, but can you implement and achieve it? 431 00:25:08,341 --> 00:25:11,386 That's a whole 'nother-- That separates the men from the boys. 432 00:25:12,262 --> 00:25:15,348 I immediately reached out to Charlie Francis, 433 00:25:15,431 --> 00:25:17,850 who was Ben Johnson's coach and he lived in Toronto, 434 00:25:17,934 --> 00:25:20,770 and then I reached out to Milos Sarcev. 435 00:25:20,853 --> 00:25:22,564 They call him Milos the Mind 436 00:25:22,647 --> 00:25:24,649 because he's a very smart guy. 437 00:25:24,732 --> 00:25:27,068 In terms of the weight training program, 438 00:25:27,151 --> 00:25:31,489 Trevor Graham really was kind of the frontman as a coach. 439 00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:36,494 [Montgomery] And then Victor Conte, you're behind the pharmacology. 440 00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:42,250 [Conte] Taking growth hormones, taking insulin, EPO, taking The Clear, 441 00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,794 and we created a-- a calendar. 442 00:25:45,378 --> 00:25:46,963 [Montgomery] So when you on steroids, 443 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:50,675 you have to have a plan that goes with the medication. 444 00:25:51,676 --> 00:25:53,136 It was thrilling. 445 00:25:53,219 --> 00:25:55,847 [Conte] You know, more does not mean better. 446 00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:58,558 This is how you optimize the drugs. 447 00:25:59,309 --> 00:26:03,104 He had a system. I got me a real connect. A real doctor. 448 00:26:03,187 --> 00:26:05,982 Until I found out Victor wasn't a doctor. 449 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:10,028 [Conte] A lot of people mistakenly call me doctor. 450 00:26:10,111 --> 00:26:12,030 I don't know why, 'cause I-- I guess 451 00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:15,241 because I'm interpreting blood test results and I'm giving them 452 00:26:15,325 --> 00:26:18,661 the type of information that a doctor would give them, I guess. 453 00:26:18,745 --> 00:26:22,957 Most people know me as a bass player. 454 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:27,128 I played with many groups that had albums. 455 00:26:27,211 --> 00:26:29,922 Uh, the most famous would be Tower of Power. 456 00:26:30,006 --> 00:26:32,133 ["What is Hip" by Tower of Power playing] 457 00:26:32,216 --> 00:26:35,428 ♪ The passing years would show You into a hip trip ♪ 458 00:26:35,511 --> 00:26:37,680 But I had three daughters. 459 00:26:37,764 --> 00:26:40,808 I was on the road ten months a year, 460 00:26:40,892 --> 00:26:43,895 and I'd come back and they'd be this much taller. 461 00:26:45,313 --> 00:26:46,689 Hi, camera. 462 00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:49,192 -[Conte] Well, how are you? -How are you? 463 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:51,319 [Conte] I want you to tell me what your name is. 464 00:26:51,402 --> 00:26:52,695 What's your name? 465 00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:54,864 [Conte] No, you tell me what's your name. 466 00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:58,201 -My name is Veronica. -[Conte] Where do you live at? 467 00:26:58,284 --> 00:27:00,370 We-- I live at my house. 468 00:27:00,453 --> 00:27:04,457 My youngest memory, there were always athletes around, and oftentimes, 469 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:07,335 the people we were going to support were making big achievements 470 00:27:07,418 --> 00:27:08,961 and so it was exciting. 471 00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:13,341 [Conte] Could you tell Daddy what the name of the place is that he works at? 472 00:27:13,424 --> 00:27:15,677 -Yeah. -[Conte] What's the name? 473 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,679 It's BALCO. 474 00:27:17,762 --> 00:27:20,765 [Conte] BALCO? What is-- What does BALCO do? 475 00:27:21,432 --> 00:27:23,393 You working. 476 00:27:23,476 --> 00:27:26,104 [Conte] I know, but what do I do there? What kind of work? 477 00:27:26,187 --> 00:27:30,692 So I would say in my teenage years was when I really knew, "Okay, this is--" 478 00:27:30,775 --> 00:27:32,360 "My dad's involved in the dark side." 479 00:27:32,443 --> 00:27:36,823 And he was just open and honest with me about what was going on. 480 00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:40,243 At the time, I knew that he was kind of the mastermind 481 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:42,829 behind this Project World Record effort. 482 00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:52,672 [indistinct chatter] 483 00:27:52,755 --> 00:27:54,549 [Conte] Oh, this is Modesto Relays. 484 00:27:55,049 --> 00:27:57,552 This is May of 2001. 485 00:27:58,219 --> 00:28:00,096 [commentator] Tim Montgomery in two… 486 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:03,725 That was the first race where he won in a world-leading time. 487 00:28:03,808 --> 00:28:05,518 Tim just destroyed it. 488 00:28:07,353 --> 00:28:08,980 [Veronica] Tim won. Tim won! 489 00:28:09,063 --> 00:28:10,982 -[man] He did? -[Veronica] Tim won! 490 00:28:11,065 --> 00:28:12,650 -Oh my God! -[man] They're shaking hands. 491 00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:15,820 [Veronica] They're shaking hands, so cute. I love this! 492 00:28:15,903 --> 00:28:18,614 This is the most exciting thing I've ever experienced. 493 00:28:19,115 --> 00:28:22,118 [Conte] On the back of his shirt, it says "Project World Record." 494 00:28:22,702 --> 00:28:23,953 We were there announcing 495 00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:26,247 that we were going to break the world record. 496 00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:31,377 I ran nine-nine-six. We knew from then it was no stopping. 497 00:28:31,461 --> 00:28:33,045 [propulsive music playing] 498 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:35,423 [Conte] The transformation was incredible. 499 00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:37,133 [Montgomery] Starting Project World Record, 500 00:28:37,216 --> 00:28:39,761 I weighed 148 pounds. 501 00:28:40,928 --> 00:28:43,014 [Conte] We bulked him up to 176. 502 00:28:43,097 --> 00:28:46,350 We put, like, 28 pounds of muscle on him in a short period of time. 503 00:28:49,437 --> 00:28:51,564 Greg Anderson was coming to BALCO 504 00:28:51,647 --> 00:28:54,609 to help Tim Montgomery with all the weight training, 505 00:28:54,692 --> 00:28:59,071 and in eight weeks his bench press went from 265 to 345. 506 00:28:59,155 --> 00:29:01,032 Ten pounds a week increase. 507 00:29:01,115 --> 00:29:04,660 He looked like an NFL linebacker, and previously they called him Tiny Tim. 508 00:29:04,744 --> 00:29:08,331 [Montgomery] It was incredible. Felt like Conan the Barbarian. 509 00:29:08,414 --> 00:29:09,290 [clang] 510 00:29:09,373 --> 00:29:12,043 [Montgomery] Me and Victor, we were together all day. 511 00:29:12,126 --> 00:29:15,713 Ate breakfast together, lunch together, dinner together, we partied together. 512 00:29:15,797 --> 00:29:18,007 It became like we're a team. 513 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:19,342 My habits changed. 514 00:29:19,425 --> 00:29:21,010 I had a plan, 515 00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:24,472 how much to take, when to take them, and what to take with them. 516 00:29:25,139 --> 00:29:26,808 You know, he became kind of muscle-bound. 517 00:29:26,891 --> 00:29:30,102 You could see he was running like this because his lats were so big. 518 00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:32,772 Then we cut him back to about 160. 519 00:29:32,855 --> 00:29:34,315 Victor Conte was honcho. 520 00:29:35,066 --> 00:29:37,443 And then from there, I went to Oslo. 521 00:29:37,527 --> 00:29:39,570 [commentator] On the right, here comes Tim Montgomery. 522 00:29:39,654 --> 00:29:42,406 It's Montgomery in lane four with a late surge. 523 00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:45,701 Unofficially 9.84 seconds. 524 00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:47,119 [Montgomery] And I felt so good. 525 00:29:47,203 --> 00:29:48,621 Oh, I could beat everybody. 526 00:29:48,704 --> 00:29:51,290 [commentator] Boy, the difference has been pronounced this year. 527 00:29:51,374 --> 00:29:53,960 Only Maurice Greene has ever run faster. 528 00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:59,882 This is the transformation that happens. It-- It makes you Superman. 529 00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:02,385 [reporter] Montgomery makes history, but more importantly, 530 00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:04,595 he sends shock waves through the sprint world. 531 00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:07,515 What has Trevor been teaching you? Trevor Graham, your coach now. 532 00:30:07,598 --> 00:30:09,267 To stay patient and wait for it to come. 533 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:12,103 Don't try to break the world record, let the world record come to you. 534 00:30:15,189 --> 00:30:16,190 [man] Go! 535 00:30:16,274 --> 00:30:18,985 We were like, "Next race we break the world record." 536 00:30:19,068 --> 00:30:21,654 "Next race. Next race up, we break the world record." 537 00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,908 You're on the edge of greatness and disaster. 538 00:30:26,951 --> 00:30:29,412 That feeling becomes addictive. 539 00:30:31,831 --> 00:30:32,832 [pouring] 540 00:30:34,792 --> 00:30:36,419 [ding] 541 00:30:37,628 --> 00:30:40,464 [Novitzky] For me, this thing that I love so much, sport, 542 00:30:40,548 --> 00:30:45,469 were being sullied by the presence of PEDs and breaking rules, 543 00:30:45,553 --> 00:30:48,764 and the unethical decisions of, "Well, I'm gonna break this rule 544 00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:51,475 because it's gonna get me something good on the other end." 545 00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:54,729 And so this case consumed my life. 546 00:30:54,812 --> 00:30:56,856 It literally consumed my life, and-- 547 00:30:56,939 --> 00:30:58,900 From the time I woke up in the morning, 548 00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:02,904 to the time that I went to sleep at night, that's literally all I was thinking of. 549 00:31:02,987 --> 00:31:05,031 -[whirring] -[mellow jazz music playing] 550 00:31:12,788 --> 00:31:16,667 [producer] What gave you the idea to go through his trash to begin with? 551 00:31:16,751 --> 00:31:20,504 Yeah, I think that was a technique in the first couple of years of my career, 552 00:31:20,588 --> 00:31:23,758 and a lot of agents didn't like to do it, 'cause it wasn't fun. 553 00:31:25,092 --> 00:31:27,094 [jazz music continues] 554 00:31:30,306 --> 00:31:35,478 However, I don't think trash examinations have ever gotten as much notoriety… 555 00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:37,146 [chuckling] …and coverage as mine did. 556 00:31:40,691 --> 00:31:42,985 So BALCO was a lower-risk trash collection. 557 00:31:43,069 --> 00:31:46,072 They put their trash out every Monday night. 558 00:31:46,155 --> 00:31:48,741 And I'd go, you know, 11:00, midnight, 559 00:31:48,824 --> 00:31:51,285 got in and out of there as fast as possible. 560 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:01,337 This is just various stuff that was unsealed during the BALCO trial. 561 00:32:01,921 --> 00:32:04,548 This is where the trash was placed every night. 562 00:32:04,632 --> 00:32:07,093 Was right about here, where in the mornings, 563 00:32:07,176 --> 00:32:09,428 the dump-- you know, the trashman would come collect it, 564 00:32:09,512 --> 00:32:12,431 but he'd come here and it'd be empty 'cause I took it the night before. 565 00:32:15,101 --> 00:32:19,689 I'd usually drive it to a dumpster that was well-lit, kind of in the area, 566 00:32:19,772 --> 00:32:23,818 so that I could discard the smelly stuff, food items, that I didn't want. 567 00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:29,115 I remember bringing stuff home the first night 568 00:32:29,198 --> 00:32:34,078 and I started finding these, uh, medications, used like, torn-up wrappers. 569 00:32:34,161 --> 00:32:37,707 And I'm like, "Hey, am I-- am I right in seeing what I'm seeing right here?" 570 00:32:37,790 --> 00:32:40,501 [Catlin] He needed to know what the drugs were that he was finding, 571 00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:42,128 and so he called our lab. 572 00:32:42,211 --> 00:32:45,047 [chuckling] The lab folks were suspicious, frankly. 573 00:32:45,131 --> 00:32:48,759 They were just-- You know, it was some random person playing an IRS agent. 574 00:32:49,343 --> 00:32:53,139 [Novitzky] Basically came out and told him what I was doing, um, 575 00:32:53,222 --> 00:32:54,557 and what I was finding. 576 00:32:55,307 --> 00:32:58,477 [chuckling] And realized that Jeff really was an IRS agent. 577 00:32:59,061 --> 00:33:01,897 [Novitzky] We started putting some pieces of the puzzle together. 578 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:05,985 So this was the first night I did, and this was human growth hormone, 579 00:33:06,068 --> 00:33:09,363 a torn-up box, the box of testosterone. 580 00:33:10,614 --> 00:33:13,409 Here's the note from a world champion shot putter. 581 00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:17,121 "Here's a check for the next cycle. I need it by the end of the week." 582 00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,164 "Thanks. Kevin." 583 00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:22,668 He was just careless and haphazard in what trash he threw away 584 00:33:22,752 --> 00:33:25,504 as anyone I've ever run across in my law enforcement career. 585 00:33:30,051 --> 00:33:31,594 [tense music builds] 586 00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:33,054 [commentator 1] Top of the wrist… 587 00:33:33,137 --> 00:33:36,932 [commentator 2] Here's a long home run by Bonds, number 39. 588 00:33:37,016 --> 00:33:38,809 It sails over the fence. 589 00:33:39,685 --> 00:33:44,065 This is the hottest man in the history of baseball, home run-wise, 590 00:33:44,148 --> 00:33:47,068 at this point in any season over 100 years. 591 00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:53,866 In 2001, Barry was going for the 70 home run-- The season record. 592 00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:56,619 It was very exciting for me to-- to know him 593 00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,287 and to be a fan of his 594 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:01,624 and doing my best to help him in any way that I could. 595 00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:03,959 [commentator] Number 43 on the year for Bonds. 596 00:34:04,043 --> 00:34:06,587 [Schmidt] So you've had this guy with a Hall of Fame career, 597 00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:08,130 he's on the downslide, 598 00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:12,718 and all of a sudden he begins performing at a level 599 00:34:12,802 --> 00:34:14,845 that-- that even Babe Ruth couldn't. 600 00:34:15,888 --> 00:34:17,431 [commentator] Number 45 for Bonds. 601 00:34:17,515 --> 00:34:21,060 I've never seen anything like this in my life besides Mark McGwire, 602 00:34:21,143 --> 00:34:22,019 and Sammy Sosa… 603 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,272 [reporter] Forty-nine homers faster than any major-leaguer in history. 604 00:34:25,356 --> 00:34:27,566 I can't explain it. If I knew what I was doing 605 00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:29,485 I would've done this a long time ago. 606 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:31,570 [commentator] Fifty for Barry Bonds. 607 00:34:31,654 --> 00:34:35,991 [Novitzky] I think it was almost genius that his scheme primarily was, 608 00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:38,494 "Barry Bonds, I'm going to give you these drugs." 609 00:34:38,577 --> 00:34:41,163 "Don't pay me checks, money orders, wire." 610 00:34:41,247 --> 00:34:44,917 "Instead, you're going to promote my SNAC line of supplements." 611 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,672 The acronym stands for Scientific Nutrition for Advanced Conditioning. 612 00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:52,758 The AM formula is called Vitalize. 613 00:34:52,842 --> 00:34:56,095 The PM formula is called ZMA. 614 00:34:56,178 --> 00:35:00,182 Tell the world that this is the reason why you're approaching the home run record. 615 00:35:00,266 --> 00:35:02,518 [commentator] It is outta here! 616 00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:06,105 [Conte] Would you like to vitalize your mind and vitalize your body? 617 00:35:06,188 --> 00:35:09,441 Then it's time to get vitalized with the SNAC system. 618 00:35:09,525 --> 00:35:12,403 [rock music playing] 619 00:35:14,238 --> 00:35:17,783 [Conte] ZMA, it blew up to the point where, in 2000, 620 00:35:18,409 --> 00:35:21,453 we had four different brands of ZMA 621 00:35:21,537 --> 00:35:25,958 in all 9,000 GNC stores nationwide. 622 00:35:26,458 --> 00:35:30,171 So you'd walk around any mall and see ZMA in the window. 623 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:32,756 This is Mr. Barry Bonds. 624 00:35:33,299 --> 00:35:35,176 This is a photo shoot that he did 625 00:35:35,259 --> 00:35:38,137 and they had a capture of him on the front cover. 626 00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:41,307 [Novitzky] "And I want you to go out and talk to Muscle and Fitness 627 00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:44,018 about how great my supplement line is." 628 00:35:44,101 --> 00:35:47,021 "Say, 'Liquid ZMA helped me get five medals 629 00:35:47,104 --> 00:35:50,399 at the Sydney Olympics and break these home run records.'" 630 00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:53,402 And, I mean, that paid off a tremendous amount. 631 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:56,488 I'm sure hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in sales. 632 00:35:57,406 --> 00:35:58,866 [commentator] Here's the pitch. 633 00:35:58,949 --> 00:36:02,077 Bonds hits one hard to right field. 634 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:03,329 Outta here! 635 00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:09,585 And he joins Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Babe Ruth and Roger Maris, 636 00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:14,924 the only players to hit 60 or more home runs in a season. 637 00:36:15,007 --> 00:36:15,841 [Conte] Oh. 638 00:36:15,925 --> 00:36:20,346 This is a-- This is a room where we dress up all the athletes. 639 00:36:20,429 --> 00:36:23,599 [chuckling] As you can see, we got lots of different gear here. 640 00:36:25,351 --> 00:36:27,186 So, branding is how I win. 641 00:36:28,312 --> 00:36:31,732 [Montgomery] We were thinking that, okay, we promote the ZMA, 642 00:36:31,815 --> 00:36:36,320 no one would find out about what's behind the scene of the ZMA. 643 00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:38,656 He has the top athletes. 644 00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:43,410 It's like, when you're doing a crime, 645 00:36:43,494 --> 00:36:47,331 you think you're the smartest person that's committing the crime. 646 00:36:48,332 --> 00:36:51,794 Then you look back and say, "That was the dumbest thing I ever thought of." 647 00:36:53,963 --> 00:36:57,258 [commentator 1] The men's 100-meter dash presented by Pontiac Grand Prix. 648 00:36:57,341 --> 00:37:00,678 [commentator 2] And there's a man who I think is running very well this year. 649 00:37:00,761 --> 00:37:03,222 Tim Montgomery, I think, is the favorite going into this final. 650 00:37:03,305 --> 00:37:04,306 [commentator 1] Has to be. 651 00:37:05,182 --> 00:37:09,061 Back in the finals of the men's 100 meters at US trials, 652 00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:14,358 Nike was going to give me $50,000 to wear their clothes in the finals. 653 00:37:14,942 --> 00:37:16,610 [Conte] Tim wore the ZMA logo 654 00:37:16,694 --> 00:37:18,946 and we had two or three different outfits made 655 00:37:19,029 --> 00:37:23,200 that were one piece that had ZMA on 'em, and he wore them in many races. 656 00:37:23,284 --> 00:37:27,204 We already had an agreement that was made that he would wear it, 657 00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:30,749 and then at the last minute there was some mention that, 658 00:37:30,833 --> 00:37:32,835 "Oh, Nike wants me to wear their stuff." 659 00:37:33,419 --> 00:37:34,545 And Victor was like, 660 00:37:35,129 --> 00:37:37,673 "Who you going to be loyal to, me or them?" 661 00:37:38,257 --> 00:37:40,384 So I'm like, "It's 50,000 dollar, homie." 662 00:37:40,467 --> 00:37:43,053 And he was like, "My time is worth millions." 663 00:37:43,137 --> 00:37:45,180 Project team leader's the boss, 664 00:37:45,264 --> 00:37:48,267 the project team leader's the one that finances the whole project. 665 00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:52,813 So I say, "Okay, you have been with me. I'm going to wear ZMA in the finals." 666 00:37:54,189 --> 00:37:58,694 Not one person in track and field has ever run with a vitamin company… 667 00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:00,362 [chuckling] …on their uniform 668 00:38:00,946 --> 00:38:03,115 in the history of track and field. 669 00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:07,119 [commentator] Here comes Montgomery, and it is Tim Montgomery… 670 00:38:07,202 --> 00:38:08,871 [Montgomery] I wore ZMA in the finals 671 00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:11,081 and then I signed with Nike after the race, 672 00:38:11,165 --> 00:38:13,584 and Victor was upset 673 00:38:14,084 --> 00:38:16,170 because he wanted to control that contract. 674 00:38:16,253 --> 00:38:20,215 He went from being a doctor to now an agent. 675 00:38:20,716 --> 00:38:24,261 If I had a signed agreement with Victor, you would have seen it on the screen. 676 00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:27,306 For going to the world championship, 677 00:38:27,389 --> 00:38:31,518 Victor had already hit me with-- He wanted 35 percent of my winnings. 678 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,189 It was the percentage that he wanted going forward. 679 00:38:35,689 --> 00:38:38,776 [Conte] That's-- I never asked for any percentage of his winnings ever. 680 00:38:38,859 --> 00:38:42,154 That's just a complete lie and a fabrication by-- by Tim. 681 00:38:42,237 --> 00:38:43,447 He was committed to me. 682 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:46,742 I brought him to the dance, now he's gonna dance with somebody else? 683 00:38:46,825 --> 00:38:48,827 You tell me, is that-- is that fair? 684 00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:54,333 And so, at a certain point, I just said, "Well, I can't continue with this guy." 685 00:38:54,416 --> 00:38:56,460 I terminated my relationship with him. 686 00:38:57,002 --> 00:39:02,841 [Montgomery] I'm trying to fathom him saying he ended the relationship with me 687 00:39:02,925 --> 00:39:05,844 and I'm on the verge of breaking the world record. 688 00:39:05,928 --> 00:39:07,513 Listen, I like Victor. 689 00:39:07,596 --> 00:39:08,889 Victor hurt me… 690 00:39:10,265 --> 00:39:12,518 when he wanted 35%, 691 00:39:12,601 --> 00:39:14,645 because I considered him as a friend. 692 00:39:15,521 --> 00:39:19,400 "Look into my eyes and tell me you feel like I owe you something." 693 00:39:19,483 --> 00:39:23,278 "What did you give me for wearing ZMA at US trials?" 694 00:39:23,362 --> 00:39:26,740 So I was done with Victor, period. 695 00:39:26,824 --> 00:39:30,661 And Victor was like, "Oh. Oh, you can't walk away." 696 00:39:30,744 --> 00:39:33,080 "I'm the show. You ain't gonna run fast without me." 697 00:39:33,163 --> 00:39:36,041 I said, "Watch me. I can do this on my own." 698 00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:44,425 [engine running] 699 00:39:44,508 --> 00:39:45,509 [engine stops] 700 00:39:54,977 --> 00:39:55,811 [door closes] 701 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:59,481 [suspenseful music playing] 702 00:40:02,818 --> 00:40:04,987 [Novitzky] One thing, I was finding, uh, 703 00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:08,532 dozens of discarded one-use syringe wrappers 704 00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:12,703 but no syringes, and thought, "Man, if I had the syringe, 705 00:40:12,786 --> 00:40:16,165 maybe I could send the syringe for DNA analysis." 706 00:40:16,248 --> 00:40:18,750 We were able to subpoena the medical waste company, 707 00:40:18,834 --> 00:40:22,171 so when they picked up the medical waste, the sharps box from BALCO 708 00:40:22,254 --> 00:40:25,382 on a weekly basis, they'd bring it back to their hub, 709 00:40:25,466 --> 00:40:28,427 set it aside for me and I would go through that. 710 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:30,220 Syringes we sent to laboratories. 711 00:40:30,304 --> 00:40:31,847 They were able to extract 712 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:35,350 what the substances were being, uh, injected. 713 00:40:36,059 --> 00:40:39,229 We were keeping track of what mail was being delivered. 714 00:40:39,897 --> 00:40:43,734 They will give you where the mail's coming from and who it's addressed to. 715 00:40:44,818 --> 00:40:47,696 And even found an email from Patrick Arnold, 716 00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:52,493 where he's chronicling sending Victor Conte the designer steroid. 717 00:40:52,576 --> 00:40:55,370 Financial ledgers showing payments from the athletes, 718 00:40:56,038 --> 00:41:00,250 invoices for a substance called epitestosterone. 719 00:41:00,751 --> 00:41:02,127 When you use The Clear, 720 00:41:02,211 --> 00:41:05,672 it would throw your natural hormone imbalance completely out of whack, 721 00:41:05,756 --> 00:41:08,425 and that was something that anti-doping was looking at. 722 00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:12,888 They were looking at something called the testosterone to epitestosterone ratio. 723 00:41:12,971 --> 00:41:17,809 In sport, there's a four to one ratio that we look for of T to E. 724 00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:22,856 If it's above four to one, that's a sign that somebody's doping with testosterone. 725 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,820 [Novitzky] Victor Conte created the Cream to bring up that ratio 726 00:41:28,904 --> 00:41:31,698 so that the testosterone would not get out of whack 727 00:41:31,782 --> 00:41:33,283 and show an abnormal ratio. 728 00:41:34,326 --> 00:41:39,373 Using these protocols to try to avoid detection, 729 00:41:39,456 --> 00:41:41,208 it's absolutely a cat-and-mouse game. 730 00:41:46,547 --> 00:41:48,674 [commentator] Annihilated it, but to the second baseman, 731 00:41:48,757 --> 00:41:51,426 who turned it into a double play the first time he faced him. 732 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:55,097 Bonds swings, and there it goes. It's heading for McCovey Cove. 733 00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:56,348 It is gone! 734 00:41:56,431 --> 00:41:57,432 A home run. 735 00:41:58,225 --> 00:42:00,811 Number 69 for Bonds. 736 00:42:01,395 --> 00:42:05,816 [Schmidt] I think the whole thing starts to get a little curious. 737 00:42:05,899 --> 00:42:07,651 Like, what's really going on here? 738 00:42:07,734 --> 00:42:12,114 You know, baseball made a big deal and the media made a big deal 739 00:42:12,197 --> 00:42:15,492 that players were, you know, lifting weights, you know, in ways 740 00:42:15,576 --> 00:42:17,452 that players hadn't in decades before, 741 00:42:17,536 --> 00:42:23,667 and they're eating better and, you know, that's why they're hitting more home runs, 742 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:26,962 but it didn't totally add up. 743 00:42:27,546 --> 00:42:30,132 [commentator] He's within one of the record. 744 00:42:30,924 --> 00:42:33,260 You know, I saw these numbers being put out 745 00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:35,512 and knew what was going on behind the scenes 746 00:42:35,596 --> 00:42:37,514 and knew that they weren't real. 747 00:42:37,598 --> 00:42:40,350 They were as a result of using these-- these substances. 748 00:42:40,434 --> 00:42:41,685 [audience cheering] 749 00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:43,186 [commentator] Bonds with a drive… 750 00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:46,732 Looks like number 70 for Barry Bonds. 751 00:42:46,815 --> 00:42:53,322 And it is! Tying the all-time record set in 1998 by Mark McGwire. 752 00:42:53,405 --> 00:42:56,575 [Conte] Can somebody gain 20 pounds in a year, you know, 753 00:42:56,658 --> 00:42:57,826 without using steroids? 754 00:42:57,909 --> 00:42:59,578 And the answer is, they can. 755 00:43:00,537 --> 00:43:03,248 You know, it depends upon what sort of training you're doing, 756 00:43:03,332 --> 00:43:06,668 how many calories you're consuming, and what those calories consist of. 757 00:43:06,752 --> 00:43:09,713 [producer] I thought you gave Barry Bonds a lot of steroids? 758 00:43:09,796 --> 00:43:12,924 [chuckles] No, I did not give Barry Bonds any steroids. 759 00:43:14,009 --> 00:43:17,179 [commentator] There's a high drive deep into right center field, 760 00:43:17,262 --> 00:43:19,056 to the big part of the ballpark! 761 00:43:19,139 --> 00:43:20,932 Number 71! 762 00:43:21,016 --> 00:43:22,643 And what a shot! 763 00:43:22,726 --> 00:43:25,937 Over the 421-foot marker. 764 00:43:27,481 --> 00:43:30,275 [Conte] I mean, I was not with him when he was training. 765 00:43:30,359 --> 00:43:33,487 Greg was pretty much administering whatever supplements that he took. 766 00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:36,239 [producer] And had you given The Clear to Greg? 767 00:43:36,323 --> 00:43:37,324 Yes. 768 00:43:37,407 --> 00:43:40,285 This seems like a gotcha moment that you want to go say, 769 00:43:40,369 --> 00:43:42,537 "I-- I know Barry Bonds took steroids." 770 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,749 That's not gonna happen because I don't know that. 771 00:43:45,832 --> 00:43:48,043 Now, do you want me to guess? 772 00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:51,004 You want me to guess if I think Barry Bonds took steroids? 773 00:43:51,088 --> 00:43:52,297 I think it's likely. 774 00:43:52,798 --> 00:43:54,758 Do I have any direct evidence? 775 00:43:55,342 --> 00:43:59,638 Only what I saw in terms of the discovery that they gave me 776 00:43:59,721 --> 00:44:04,851 after the fact of some of the records that Greg kept indicate that. 777 00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:09,272 [producer] Who's this one? 778 00:44:19,032 --> 00:44:22,828 It says "Bib," B-I-B. I-- I don't know who that is. 779 00:44:22,911 --> 00:44:25,372 And then it says "March" and it says "April." 780 00:44:26,248 --> 00:44:27,749 Let me see what else is on there. 781 00:44:27,833 --> 00:44:29,584 [producer] Could that be Barry Lamar Bonds? 782 00:44:30,752 --> 00:44:35,340 [Conte] Could-- Could be B-L-B, but this-- this is not my handwriting. 783 00:44:35,424 --> 00:44:37,718 I hate to speculate or guess. 784 00:44:37,801 --> 00:44:40,095 You know, this could have been Greg Anderson, 785 00:44:40,178 --> 00:44:41,680 I-- I don't know that. 786 00:44:41,763 --> 00:44:44,725 So, I-- This is the first time I've ever seen this. 787 00:44:54,317 --> 00:44:56,403 [Montgomery] In 2002, I had no reason to panic, 788 00:44:56,486 --> 00:44:58,447 I had every reason to be happy. 789 00:44:58,947 --> 00:45:00,073 I'm training good. 790 00:45:00,741 --> 00:45:04,327 My times were even better or the same, you know? 791 00:45:04,411 --> 00:45:09,416 [commentator] Tim Montgomery pulling away from everybody with 9.91 seconds. 792 00:45:09,499 --> 00:45:11,460 He is getting more and more consistent. 793 00:45:11,543 --> 00:45:14,880 [Conte] He continued on working with Charlie Francis 794 00:45:14,963 --> 00:45:17,132 with Trevor Graham as the frontman. 795 00:45:17,215 --> 00:45:20,552 And he had stockpiled enough of the drugs that I'd given him. 796 00:45:20,635 --> 00:45:22,220 [Montgomery stammering] No. 797 00:45:22,304 --> 00:45:23,263 No. 798 00:45:23,346 --> 00:45:26,266 Not a person in this world got a year's supply from Victor. 799 00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:29,019 He rations out everything week by week. 800 00:45:29,770 --> 00:45:32,689 I only had insulin that was non-detectable, 801 00:45:32,773 --> 00:45:34,483 and I had HGH. 802 00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:39,446 So, as the year kept going, I kept getting faster. 803 00:45:40,322 --> 00:45:44,659 And so last track meet of the year, we at Grand Prix finals. 804 00:45:44,743 --> 00:45:47,412 [commentator] Running 9.91 earlier this year 805 00:45:47,496 --> 00:45:49,623 was Tim Montgomery in lane five. 806 00:45:49,706 --> 00:45:52,751 My mind was all over the place coming out there. 807 00:45:52,834 --> 00:45:53,960 I just rolled with it. 808 00:45:54,044 --> 00:45:56,379 [commentator] …Olympic gold medalist and world record holder. 809 00:45:56,463 --> 00:45:59,966 You feel like you are ready for it 'cause you trained up to that moment 810 00:46:00,050 --> 00:46:01,468 to do something great. 811 00:46:02,344 --> 00:46:04,346 Greatness comes when greatness comes. 812 00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:06,431 -[commentator] …is in lane four. -[man] Set! 813 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:08,809 [commentator] Very fast start. 814 00:46:08,892 --> 00:46:12,312 Out quickly is Tim Montgomery. Chambers beside him now. 815 00:46:12,395 --> 00:46:14,189 That was the part of me dreaming 816 00:46:14,272 --> 00:46:16,983 that one day I'd be a part of something that would be great. 817 00:46:17,067 --> 00:46:20,695 [commentator] Montgomery with slight lead, Montgomery by two feet, three feet. 818 00:46:21,196 --> 00:46:26,034 Nine-point-seven-eight seconds, a world record for Tim Montgomery. 819 00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:28,662 Sensational performance to win… 820 00:46:29,162 --> 00:46:30,539 It was historic. 821 00:46:31,373 --> 00:46:33,041 [commentator] Nine-seven-eight. 822 00:46:33,124 --> 00:46:35,752 They posted what his reaction time out of the blocks was. 823 00:46:35,836 --> 00:46:38,421 You cannot be faster than one-tenth of a second. 824 00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:42,968 And so everybody, "You see what you just done?" 825 00:46:43,051 --> 00:46:44,135 And I look back… 826 00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:48,098 it is nine-seven-eight, and I'm like… 827 00:46:49,182 --> 00:46:50,600 And the world just go black. 828 00:46:50,684 --> 00:46:54,354 [commentator] And it is official, a world record for Tim Montgomery. 829 00:46:54,437 --> 00:46:56,773 [Montgomery] When I took the lap and I came back around 830 00:46:56,857 --> 00:47:01,945 and I took the picture by 9.78, I said to myself, "You done it." 831 00:47:02,529 --> 00:47:03,697 "You done it." 832 00:47:04,281 --> 00:47:07,200 [Conte] You know, it was kind of bittersweet because 833 00:47:07,284 --> 00:47:10,120 I knew that wouldn't have happened without me and without Milos 834 00:47:10,203 --> 00:47:13,290 and without Charlie, and it-- it was a brain trust. 835 00:47:13,373 --> 00:47:15,876 It took-- He certainly couldn't have done it on his own. 836 00:47:16,459 --> 00:47:18,295 That's my opinion anyway. 837 00:47:19,004 --> 00:47:21,047 [reporter] …new world record holder, Tim Montgomery. 838 00:47:21,131 --> 00:47:23,341 You just stepped right in and took it all. 839 00:47:23,425 --> 00:47:25,969 It's unbelievable. That's all I can say. It's unbelievable. 840 00:47:26,052 --> 00:47:27,178 [laughter] 841 00:47:27,262 --> 00:47:29,764 [reporter] How you gonna top this for next year, Tim? 842 00:47:29,848 --> 00:47:31,141 Nine-seventy-five. 843 00:47:31,641 --> 00:47:34,769 I thought the next chapter of my life was going to be, oh, 844 00:47:34,853 --> 00:47:36,897 the greatest of all time. 845 00:47:38,231 --> 00:47:40,567 Ended up being a nightmare. [chuckles] 846 00:47:42,777 --> 00:47:48,283 This instrument over here that we have is a triple quad LC-MS. 847 00:47:48,366 --> 00:47:51,828 What you're looking at here can take apart a molecule, 848 00:47:51,912 --> 00:47:54,331 put it into multiple different peaks 849 00:47:54,414 --> 00:47:58,877 that can then be fingerprinted and matched to a drug in question. 850 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,173 So, this was what we used to be able to break the code 851 00:48:03,256 --> 00:48:04,674 and break the back of BALCO. 852 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,635 [click] 853 00:48:06,718 --> 00:48:10,764 [Catlin] The process of actually decoding what The Clear was 854 00:48:10,847 --> 00:48:15,393 started when this mystery syringe arrived at our laboratory. 855 00:48:15,477 --> 00:48:19,731 [Novitzky] Turned out that that steroid was given to USADA by Trevor Graham, 856 00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:22,233 the track and field coach who, at one time, 857 00:48:22,317 --> 00:48:25,946 was working with BALCO and Victor Conte but had a falling out. 858 00:48:26,029 --> 00:48:30,617 It was not at all simple for us to figure out what it was. 859 00:48:31,201 --> 00:48:33,620 We put it through our instruments, 860 00:48:33,703 --> 00:48:36,873 and when you put a substance into a mass spectrometer, 861 00:48:36,957 --> 00:48:38,625 you come up with a bunch of peaks, 862 00:48:38,708 --> 00:48:42,087 and it's a matter of trying to identify those peaks, 863 00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:46,049 and that was ultimately the work that took many months for us to do. 864 00:48:46,633 --> 00:48:49,260 [Novitzky] And they basically reverse engineered it, 865 00:48:49,344 --> 00:48:52,138 and figured out what exactly that they were looking at. 866 00:48:52,222 --> 00:48:55,016 So, unbeknownst to the athletes, they had created a test for that 867 00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,228 when they thought they were using a substance there was no test for yet. 868 00:48:58,311 --> 00:49:01,773 [tense music playing] 869 00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:07,779 [Conte] I knew for months and months somebody's watching, 870 00:49:07,862 --> 00:49:12,867 and it started with the mailman saying, 871 00:49:12,951 --> 00:49:15,829 "Listen, there's law enforcement of some kind 872 00:49:15,912 --> 00:49:17,914 that's copying all your mail every day." 873 00:49:17,998 --> 00:49:20,291 I need to start paying attention a bit more, 874 00:49:20,375 --> 00:49:22,961 'cause it's-- Big Brother's watching. 875 00:49:23,461 --> 00:49:26,464 [Novitzky] Near the tail end of that year, where I was collecting trash, 876 00:49:26,548 --> 00:49:30,010 I had a dumpster that was well lit that I was regularly going to, 877 00:49:30,093 --> 00:49:31,261 and they moved the dumpster. 878 00:49:32,345 --> 00:49:35,306 And so I located what I thought was another secure one. 879 00:49:38,268 --> 00:49:40,645 [Conte] Started getting calls from the owner of the building. 880 00:49:40,729 --> 00:49:44,858 And he said, "Stop dumping your trash in our dumpster." 881 00:49:45,442 --> 00:49:47,444 I said, "Oh my God." I went over there to see, 882 00:49:47,527 --> 00:49:50,572 and sure enough, our trash was in his dumpster. I said, "Oh my God." 883 00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:54,284 They did it again. They did it again. But the third time, this guy called, 884 00:49:54,367 --> 00:49:56,870 he said, "I'm calling the police, okay?" 885 00:49:58,705 --> 00:50:02,751 My dad called me and said, "Hey, have you looked at the throwaway paper this week?" 886 00:50:02,834 --> 00:50:06,796 I'm like, "No, why?" He goes, "Look at their police blotter section." 887 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,551 Sure enough, there's a story about trash from BALCO Laboratories illegally dumped. 888 00:50:11,634 --> 00:50:12,969 Scared me. 889 00:50:13,053 --> 00:50:16,139 You know, I came very close, I think, to-- to being caught. 890 00:50:16,222 --> 00:50:19,517 So, the combination of the trash being discovered, 891 00:50:19,601 --> 00:50:21,394 the mail cover being disclosed, 892 00:50:21,478 --> 00:50:26,316 we thought it's about time now, I think, that we needed to go overt in this case. 893 00:50:28,485 --> 00:50:30,403 [tense music sting] 894 00:50:30,487 --> 00:50:33,448 [Cheryl Hurd] So, on September 3rd, 2003, 895 00:50:34,407 --> 00:50:39,913 my assignment desk received this weird call, 896 00:50:39,996 --> 00:50:44,793 "Go to this location." "But what time?" "Well, we don't know what time." 897 00:50:45,376 --> 00:50:47,712 "Just be there and wait." 898 00:50:49,422 --> 00:50:51,841 We started seeing cars coming in. 899 00:50:51,925 --> 00:50:53,051 Looks like agents. 900 00:50:53,134 --> 00:50:54,302 What kind of agents? 901 00:50:54,385 --> 00:50:55,512 The IRS? 902 00:50:57,055 --> 00:51:01,309 We didn't know who they were after, how long it was going to last. 903 00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:04,521 They're going into this building. I don't know what BALCO is. 904 00:51:04,604 --> 00:51:05,563 We were on edge. 905 00:51:05,647 --> 00:51:08,316 We-- We didn't know if-- if there would be gunfire. 906 00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:10,485 It was-- It was very intense. 907 00:51:11,611 --> 00:51:15,240 And right through that driveway, and in here and here and here 908 00:51:15,323 --> 00:51:16,449 and around the corner, 909 00:51:16,533 --> 00:51:22,038 that's where six or seven black cars came in full of SWAT team agents 910 00:51:22,122 --> 00:51:24,499 wearing flak jackets with rifles 911 00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:28,711 and-- and a helicopter came and was hovering right there. 912 00:51:28,795 --> 00:51:31,297 [reporter] Federal agents raided a Burlingame building 913 00:51:31,381 --> 00:51:34,968 housing the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, BALCO. 914 00:51:35,051 --> 00:51:38,888 All of a sudden, SWAT teams came in. It was-- It was like out of the movies. 915 00:51:38,972 --> 00:51:41,099 [Novitzky] There was some controversy over, 916 00:51:41,182 --> 00:51:44,519 "Oh, they brought, you know, 20, 30 agents, they all had guns." 917 00:51:44,602 --> 00:51:47,981 Well, we-- we carry guns. That's what we did, 918 00:51:48,064 --> 00:51:50,692 and we brought these guns to every search warrant we did. 919 00:51:50,775 --> 00:51:53,069 Everything I saw, they were secured to their side. 920 00:51:53,153 --> 00:51:55,321 They weren't drawn as we were making entry. 921 00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:01,536 I looked out the window and here comes ABC, NBC, CBS. 922 00:52:02,036 --> 00:52:04,789 Next thing you know, these satellites are coming up. 923 00:52:04,873 --> 00:52:08,710 So somebody from Novitzky's team must have called the news desk. 924 00:52:08,793 --> 00:52:10,587 [producer] Can you say who your sources were? 925 00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:13,965 Of course I can't say who my sources are. 926 00:52:14,924 --> 00:52:16,801 I did not tip them off, no. 927 00:52:16,885 --> 00:52:20,722 Their neighbors are seeing who the customers are of this business. 928 00:52:20,805 --> 00:52:24,058 They're seeing Barry Bonds walk into this business frequently. 929 00:52:24,142 --> 00:52:27,187 People are going to start talking and making some calls. 930 00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:30,732 [Hurd] A representative of BALCO was escorted out of the building. 931 00:52:30,815 --> 00:52:32,734 [reporter] Victor Conte is one of four people 932 00:52:32,817 --> 00:52:35,653 charged with distributing the illegal substances. 933 00:52:35,737 --> 00:52:37,405 [Hurd] I'm looking and I'm saying, 934 00:52:38,281 --> 00:52:43,286 "Who is that guy with the ZMA hat on kind of cocked to the side, 935 00:52:43,369 --> 00:52:45,121 sweating profusely?" 936 00:52:45,205 --> 00:52:46,664 He must be the bad guy. 937 00:52:46,748 --> 00:52:50,668 That's my job as a reporter. Find out who the bad guy is. 938 00:52:50,752 --> 00:52:52,337 Federal officials wouldn't tell us 939 00:52:52,420 --> 00:52:55,548 what they found inside BALCO Laboratories last week. 940 00:52:55,632 --> 00:52:59,177 No one has been charged, and no arrests have been made. 941 00:52:59,260 --> 00:53:00,970 [reporter] But US Olympic officials 942 00:53:01,054 --> 00:53:03,598 believe BALCO could be involved in a conspiracy 943 00:53:03,681 --> 00:53:06,851 to beat drug tests by designing a new steroid. 944 00:53:07,727 --> 00:53:09,812 [Veronica] It felt very over the top. 945 00:53:10,813 --> 00:53:13,733 Like, "Is there more to this story than I know?" You know? 946 00:53:13,816 --> 00:53:16,986 Like, why is this being amplified so much? 947 00:53:18,029 --> 00:53:20,782 [tense music playing] 948 00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:23,743 [Novitzky] When we were conducting the search warrant at BALCO, 949 00:53:23,826 --> 00:53:28,164 we found bankers boxes with athletes' names on the box-- 950 00:53:28,248 --> 00:53:30,083 On these folders within that box, 951 00:53:30,166 --> 00:53:33,711 and then within those folders were doping calendars, 952 00:53:33,795 --> 00:53:36,547 financial ledgers, uh, Quest, uh, 953 00:53:36,631 --> 00:53:40,009 urine steroid tests, some of them positive, um, 954 00:53:40,093 --> 00:53:43,513 and then multiple boxes full of these drugs. 955 00:53:44,097 --> 00:53:47,392 It was a virtual pharmacy, uh, that we found in the storage locker. 956 00:53:48,434 --> 00:53:51,521 And based on the amount of evidence that I had collected, 957 00:53:51,604 --> 00:53:53,314 I knew what questions to ask. 958 00:53:53,398 --> 00:53:56,276 I'm reading here from the memorandum of interview 959 00:53:56,359 --> 00:53:59,529 written by Jeff Novitzky, September 3rd, 2003. 960 00:54:00,238 --> 00:54:03,241 And he had a list that he had made. 961 00:54:03,324 --> 00:54:06,369 It said, "Track and Field," "NFL," and "MLB," 962 00:54:06,869 --> 00:54:08,955 and he had these names on the list. 963 00:54:09,831 --> 00:54:12,750 [Novitzky] We went down that list, and absolutely, he said, 964 00:54:12,834 --> 00:54:16,170 definitively, "I've given these athletes The Clear and The Cream." 965 00:54:16,254 --> 00:54:20,091 [Conte] He said, "Did you work with these players or these athletes?" 966 00:54:21,301 --> 00:54:25,263 And I thought he meant blood testing, nutritional supplements, 967 00:54:25,346 --> 00:54:27,348 developing individualized program. 968 00:54:27,974 --> 00:54:30,893 No mention about giving any drugs to any of them. 969 00:54:30,977 --> 00:54:33,313 Yeah, that's not the truth. 970 00:54:33,396 --> 00:54:37,567 I mean, I was very explicit about that. Think about it, I go in there and say, 971 00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:39,986 "Have you worked with these athletes?" And not ask, 972 00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:42,613 "What does that work entail? Have you given them drugs?" 973 00:54:42,697 --> 00:54:44,365 That's the whole reason I was there. 974 00:54:44,449 --> 00:54:48,161 Never gave Barry Bonds The Cream or The Clear. 975 00:54:48,244 --> 00:54:50,621 He can't give you one shred of evidence 976 00:54:50,705 --> 00:54:54,459 linking me to having anything to do with giving Barry Bonds steroids. 977 00:54:55,043 --> 00:54:56,669 And if he's got it, where is it? 978 00:54:58,588 --> 00:55:00,423 [Novitzky] Barry Bonds was consistently 979 00:55:00,506 --> 00:55:03,092 providing urine and blood samples to BALCO. 980 00:55:03,176 --> 00:55:06,679 I have those records and they showed he was testing positive for things like 981 00:55:06,763 --> 00:55:10,224 methenolone, high-level anabolic steroid, nandrolone, 982 00:55:10,725 --> 00:55:16,064 so there is no doubt he knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs 983 00:55:16,147 --> 00:55:18,858 and used a lot of them for a several-year period 984 00:55:18,941 --> 00:55:22,695 that assisted him in achieving these-- these hallowed records in sports, 985 00:55:22,779 --> 00:55:23,780 without a doubt. 986 00:55:24,781 --> 00:55:27,492 [unsettling music playing] 987 00:55:33,873 --> 00:55:35,708 [reporter] This evening, you've heard it before. 988 00:55:35,792 --> 00:55:37,502 Athletes and steroids. 989 00:55:37,585 --> 00:55:41,756 Dozens of the biggest names in sports will be taking time off from competition 990 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:47,178 to tell a grand jury what they know about the maker of a so-called designer steroid. 991 00:55:48,304 --> 00:55:50,681 [Novitzky] After the raid, we subpoenaed several dozen 992 00:55:50,765 --> 00:55:54,644 of these high-profile athletes to the grand jury in San Francisco 993 00:55:55,228 --> 00:55:58,689 and told 'em, "Tell the truth in there, this may be the last you hear from us." 994 00:55:58,773 --> 00:56:01,401 "You're certainly not going to be a target of this investigation 995 00:56:01,984 --> 00:56:03,986 if you go in and tell the truth." 996 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,283 I get, uh, a… subpoena, 997 00:56:10,368 --> 00:56:13,788 and they're sitting down saying that they have ledgers and everything 998 00:56:13,871 --> 00:56:15,248 on us working with Victor. 999 00:56:16,124 --> 00:56:18,543 So I talked about my involvement. 1000 00:56:18,626 --> 00:56:20,378 I was taking The Clear. 1001 00:56:20,461 --> 00:56:23,506 HGH, I did use. 1002 00:56:24,090 --> 00:56:26,426 And I told them grand jurors 1003 00:56:26,509 --> 00:56:29,053 that you don't know what you was getting for Victor. 1004 00:56:29,137 --> 00:56:30,930 Victor was a con artist. 1005 00:56:31,931 --> 00:56:32,932 He's not a doctor. 1006 00:56:36,018 --> 00:56:38,646 [Novitzky] These powerful hormonal substances 1007 00:56:38,729 --> 00:56:42,483 really hadn't undergone any clinical trials or human testing. 1008 00:56:42,567 --> 00:56:45,319 So they were literally using these athletes as guinea pigs. 1009 00:56:47,697 --> 00:56:50,783 [Montgomery] Victor can read about what HGH does to the body, 1010 00:56:50,867 --> 00:56:52,952 he can read about what EPO does, 1011 00:56:53,035 --> 00:56:57,623 and then he can use you to see if he got the formula right. 1012 00:56:58,583 --> 00:57:00,585 [Novitzky] Even found an email from Patrick Arnold: 1013 00:57:00,668 --> 00:57:02,420 "Hey, here's what I've created, 1014 00:57:02,503 --> 00:57:06,883 but I don't quite know what the dosage is so you have to experiment on that." 1015 00:57:07,467 --> 00:57:08,843 Some of the female athletes said, 1016 00:57:08,926 --> 00:57:11,846 they didn't get their menstrual cycles for months if not years 1017 00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:13,389 while they were on this stuff. 1018 00:57:13,473 --> 00:57:16,434 Victor Conte is your doctor and your pharmacist. 1019 00:57:16,517 --> 00:57:18,102 That's very, very dangerous. 1020 00:57:18,186 --> 00:57:23,524 Oh, my God. So I've been doing comprehensive blood testing on everybody, 1021 00:57:23,608 --> 00:57:25,776 making sure there were no adverse health effects 1022 00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:27,570 and all the dosages were correct. 1023 00:57:27,653 --> 00:57:29,197 So the opposite was true. 1024 00:57:30,198 --> 00:57:34,410 You become numb to what's right and what's wrong. 1025 00:57:36,287 --> 00:57:37,788 At the end of the day, 1026 00:57:38,498 --> 00:57:40,416 I wanted something so bad… 1027 00:57:42,126 --> 00:57:45,254 at any price… possible. 1028 00:57:47,715 --> 00:57:50,051 [John Ashcroft] After an 18-month investigation, 1029 00:57:50,134 --> 00:57:54,180 a federal grand jury in the Northern District of California 1030 00:57:54,263 --> 00:57:59,769 unsealed a 42-count indictment charging four individuals 1031 00:57:59,852 --> 00:58:06,150 with distribution of illegal anabolic steroids to dozens of athletes. 1032 00:58:06,234 --> 00:58:09,362 [reporter] Today's indictment charges Bonds' trainer, Greg Anderson, 1033 00:58:09,445 --> 00:58:12,698 and this man, Victor Conte, with running the operation, 1034 00:58:12,782 --> 00:58:17,245 money laundering and using code names for drugs to cover up the scheme. 1035 00:58:17,328 --> 00:58:19,914 Illegal steroid use calls into question 1036 00:58:19,997 --> 00:58:23,000 not only the integrity of the athletes who used them, 1037 00:58:23,084 --> 00:58:27,088 but also the integrity of the sports that those athletes play. 1038 00:58:27,171 --> 00:58:31,759 Well, I think it's rather odd that, uh, Mr. Ashcroft got involved. 1039 00:58:31,842 --> 00:58:34,971 I don't want to say it's political, but it is political. 1040 00:58:35,054 --> 00:58:38,724 The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids 1041 00:58:38,808 --> 00:58:41,727 in baseball, football and other sports, 1042 00:58:41,811 --> 00:58:44,730 is dangerous and it sends the wrong message. 1043 00:58:44,814 --> 00:58:47,066 So tonight I call on team owners, 1044 00:58:47,149 --> 00:58:49,527 coaches and players to take the lead, 1045 00:58:49,610 --> 00:58:53,406 to get tough and to get rid of steroids now. 1046 00:58:53,489 --> 00:58:57,451 It's like, uh, going after a fly with a bazooka 1047 00:58:57,535 --> 00:58:59,829 when there are thousands of other flies running around. 1048 00:58:59,912 --> 00:59:02,623 It's not even going to make a dent in the problem. 1049 00:59:02,707 --> 00:59:04,458 [tense music playing] 1050 00:59:07,211 --> 00:59:08,921 [reporter] If convicted on all counts, 1051 00:59:09,005 --> 00:59:12,883 the defendants face long prison terms and hefty fines. 1052 00:59:14,218 --> 00:59:17,722 I knew that they didn't have the evidence that they claimed that they had. 1053 00:59:17,805 --> 00:59:21,809 Why do you think on the day of the 42-count indictment 1054 00:59:21,892 --> 00:59:25,646 that I walked out into a sea of reporters and did this? 1055 00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:27,106 That meant this. 1056 00:59:35,615 --> 00:59:39,577 [Veronica] At that point, there were times he was in the news every day. 1057 00:59:39,660 --> 00:59:41,662 So every time there were court hearings, 1058 00:59:41,746 --> 00:59:45,166 there was a ton of media really villainizing him. 1059 00:59:45,833 --> 00:59:49,086 Um, forty-two counts, it seemed like a lot. 1060 00:59:50,129 --> 00:59:54,967 You know, I remember him grabbing my hand to guide me through the media 1061 00:59:55,051 --> 00:59:57,428 and all the cameras and everyone shouting, and… 1062 00:59:57,511 --> 00:59:59,055 it's intimidating. 1063 00:59:59,889 --> 01:00:04,268 The whole investigation, in my opinion, was all about chasing headlines. 1064 01:00:04,352 --> 01:00:08,397 Novitzky was bragging to the undercover agents, you know, 1065 01:00:08,481 --> 01:00:11,442 saying, "I'm going to be the modern-day Eliot Ness." 1066 01:00:11,525 --> 01:00:14,820 "I'm going to bust Al Capone. Movie deals, book deals." 1067 01:00:14,904 --> 01:00:19,450 Yeah, I probably said that because, going back to my training, 1068 01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:22,328 you, as an agent, need to find those investigations 1069 01:00:22,411 --> 01:00:24,372 that are going to get the most coverage. 1070 01:00:24,455 --> 01:00:28,250 And hopefully, other people out there that are breaking a similar law 1071 01:00:28,334 --> 01:00:32,463 are gonna say, "I don't want to get caught up in this, so I'm gonna back out." 1072 01:00:34,465 --> 01:00:38,302 I believe that Jeff Novitzky was feeding information to the Chronicle. 1073 01:00:38,386 --> 01:00:40,346 Nope. Not whatsoever. 1074 01:00:40,429 --> 01:00:42,765 I think it was his narcissistic personality 1075 01:00:42,848 --> 01:00:46,977 that, you know, Victor was like, "No publicity is bad publicity." 1076 01:00:47,061 --> 01:00:50,898 Um, you know, I remember the night he went on 20/20. 1077 01:00:51,399 --> 01:00:54,944 He was indicted, but the case hasn't been resolved yet, 1078 01:00:55,027 --> 01:00:58,155 and we got a call from his defense attorneys saying, 1079 01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:02,201 "I don't know what our guy's doing. He's going on 20/20 tonight." 1080 01:01:02,284 --> 01:01:05,788 "An entire hour is dedicated to everything he's been doing." 1081 01:01:06,288 --> 01:01:11,252 I knew that this was the most coveted of all, you know, records and gold medals. 1082 01:01:11,335 --> 01:01:17,299 Um, so we kind of had a collective dream and I was the mastermind, so to speak. 1083 01:01:17,383 --> 01:01:20,803 [Martin Bashir] You're designing, in effect, a criminal conspiracy 1084 01:01:20,886 --> 01:01:22,722 to break the world record. 1085 01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:26,100 That's what it was, wasn't it? 1086 01:01:27,393 --> 01:01:31,689 Well, if you're asking if it included illegal activity, the answer would be yes. 1087 01:01:32,189 --> 01:01:33,023 And sure enough, 1088 01:01:33,107 --> 01:01:36,694 he disclosed all of his criminal activity on national television. 1089 01:01:36,777 --> 01:01:38,237 Nobody does that. 1090 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,700 Are you saying Marion Jones was a drugs cheat? 1091 01:01:42,783 --> 01:01:43,868 Without a doubt. 1092 01:01:43,951 --> 01:01:47,079 And that you saw her even inject herself? 1093 01:01:47,163 --> 01:01:48,456 You saw that happen? 1094 01:01:49,290 --> 01:01:50,332 That's correct. 1095 01:01:50,916 --> 01:01:54,420 Victor Conte is delusional. [chuckles] 1096 01:01:54,503 --> 01:01:59,258 To start taking out athletes on the system he was part of. 1097 01:02:02,428 --> 01:02:06,849 [Bashir] Did you fear there was a moral problem when you realized 1098 01:02:06,932 --> 01:02:10,603 that if you wanted to compete you had to cheat? 1099 01:02:11,103 --> 01:02:12,104 The answer is no. 1100 01:02:12,188 --> 01:02:15,316 If you've got the knowledge that that's what everybody's doing, 1101 01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:19,069 and those are the real rules of the game, then you're not cheating. 1102 01:02:25,201 --> 01:02:27,828 [Conte] I-- I was called a lot of very bad names. 1103 01:02:27,912 --> 01:02:31,665 Dr. Frankenstein, the Saddam Hussein of sports. 1104 01:02:32,291 --> 01:02:37,755 But one of the most important things you learn is that you need adversity. 1105 01:02:38,297 --> 01:02:39,131 You know? 1106 01:02:39,215 --> 01:02:42,176 If you want to build big muscles you got to lift big weights. 1107 01:02:44,386 --> 01:02:47,181 [Ed Swanson] Victor was in a difficult spot 1108 01:02:47,264 --> 01:02:48,599 when we got into the case. 1109 01:02:48,682 --> 01:02:52,144 Uh, he had done the 20/20 interview, 1110 01:02:52,228 --> 01:02:55,189 the case was on the boil 1111 01:02:55,272 --> 01:02:58,400 and it wasn't headed in the direction that he wanted it to go. 1112 01:02:58,484 --> 01:03:02,363 Victor's previous counsel had already filed a number of motions 1113 01:03:02,446 --> 01:03:05,282 to suppress evidence, to suppress statements, 1114 01:03:05,366 --> 01:03:09,119 dealing with the agents in a very confrontational manner, 1115 01:03:09,203 --> 01:03:12,289 and Victor had to make a big decision, 1116 01:03:12,373 --> 01:03:15,209 whether or not to try and resolve the case, 1117 01:03:15,292 --> 01:03:18,254 or whether to be embroiled in this battle for the next year. 1118 01:03:18,337 --> 01:03:21,841 And Victor made the decision to have us negotiate the case. 1119 01:03:22,424 --> 01:03:28,097 We thought this case involved warehouses of steroids and millions of dollars, 1120 01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:30,432 because that's the way the story was being told. 1121 01:03:30,516 --> 01:03:34,019 Once we started to look at it, everything began to shrink 1122 01:03:34,103 --> 01:03:38,732 and the millions became hundreds and the warehouse became a locker, 1123 01:03:38,816 --> 01:03:41,986 and the amount of drugs became something you could fit in your hand. 1124 01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:46,907 Our technical term for the amount of drugs in this case was "teensy." 1125 01:03:48,325 --> 01:03:51,370 Week after week, we would sit down with the prosecutors 1126 01:03:51,453 --> 01:03:53,455 and would take another piece of the case, 1127 01:03:53,539 --> 01:03:57,918 and we would say, "You've charged this, it's not illegal and here's why." 1128 01:03:58,002 --> 01:04:01,046 To their credit, they listened to us and they pushed back, 1129 01:04:01,130 --> 01:04:03,465 and it was so much fun. 1130 01:04:03,549 --> 01:04:05,759 There's no question what he had done. 1131 01:04:05,843 --> 01:04:08,387 He had provided athletes with the substance. 1132 01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:10,306 The question was, was that illegal? 1133 01:04:11,181 --> 01:04:13,058 The Clear was not illegal, 1134 01:04:13,142 --> 01:04:15,895 and our position was even The Cream was not illegal. 1135 01:04:15,978 --> 01:04:19,273 [McNamara] Which was a diluted amount of steroid testosterone 1136 01:04:19,356 --> 01:04:21,400 in a lotion to be applied on the skin. 1137 01:04:21,483 --> 01:04:23,736 And the law didn't apply to mixtures. 1138 01:04:24,904 --> 01:04:28,699 [McNamara] The amount of money that Victor was transacting 1139 01:04:28,782 --> 01:04:30,993 amounted to less than a thousand dollars, 1140 01:04:31,076 --> 01:04:36,498 which is so below the power of what federal prosecutions generally prosecute. 1141 01:04:36,582 --> 01:04:39,293 [Swanson] It was as thin as it gets. 1142 01:04:39,376 --> 01:04:42,546 There's never another case we've seen where someone was charged 1143 01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:46,300 with drug distribution of an amount that doesn't even register 1144 01:04:46,383 --> 01:04:47,885 in the sentencing guidelines, 1145 01:04:48,469 --> 01:04:50,304 but that was their case. 1146 01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:52,640 [reporter] Anything to say today, Victor? 1147 01:04:54,183 --> 01:04:55,351 Uh, afterwards. 1148 01:04:55,434 --> 01:04:57,645 [camera shutter clicking] 1149 01:04:57,728 --> 01:04:59,271 [Conte] I will never forget the day 1150 01:04:59,355 --> 01:05:02,733 that I picked up the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle, 1151 01:05:02,816 --> 01:05:04,818 and the headline said, 1152 01:05:05,402 --> 01:05:08,781 "40 of 42 BALCO charges dropped." 1153 01:05:08,864 --> 01:05:12,451 And the subtitle was, "The wrist slap heard around the world." 1154 01:05:12,534 --> 01:05:15,120 -[reporters clamoring] -[reporter] Mr. Conte, care to comment… 1155 01:05:15,204 --> 01:05:18,958 [Hurd] Victor Conte pleaded guilty to two felony counts today. 1156 01:05:19,041 --> 01:05:23,128 One, conspiracy to distribute steroids, the other, money laundering. 1157 01:05:23,212 --> 01:05:25,339 The Feds should be embarrassed. 1158 01:05:25,422 --> 01:05:27,549 It started with 42 counts, 1159 01:05:27,633 --> 01:05:30,678 Victor Conte will now plead guilty to only two counts. 1160 01:05:30,761 --> 01:05:34,682 And we quote, "This deal does not require Mr. Conte to assist 1161 01:05:34,765 --> 01:05:39,353 the prosecution of any other person involved in the investigation." 1162 01:05:39,436 --> 01:05:42,189 -[woman] So the athletes walk. -[man] There'll be no federal charges 1163 01:05:42,272 --> 01:05:44,984 and no criminal charges against any athlete. 1164 01:05:45,484 --> 01:05:48,320 Victor Conte was sentenced to six months in federal prison. 1165 01:05:48,404 --> 01:05:49,780 Typically, in federal prison, 1166 01:05:49,863 --> 01:05:52,491 with good behavior, you do 85% of that time. 1167 01:05:52,574 --> 01:05:54,410 So he did a little over four months. 1168 01:05:57,830 --> 01:06:03,335 Here's some pictures that my dad sent me from the, um, prison camp. 1169 01:06:03,419 --> 01:06:05,963 This is him and his cellmate. His name was Evil. 1170 01:06:06,046 --> 01:06:10,092 He was a scare to my dad at first, let me tell you, as you can imagine why. 1171 01:06:10,175 --> 01:06:11,969 Like, oh, I'm dead meat in this cell-- 1172 01:06:12,052 --> 01:06:14,763 [laughs] You know, when he first met him, but he had his back, 1173 01:06:14,847 --> 01:06:16,765 and they became good friends. 1174 01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:18,559 They're still friends to this day. 1175 01:06:19,143 --> 01:06:23,063 I was happy to see that he was making friends and really… 1176 01:06:24,523 --> 01:06:27,443 You know, it was humbling. Humbling experience for him, so… 1177 01:06:29,111 --> 01:06:31,405 [Conte] I took full responsibility, 1178 01:06:31,488 --> 01:06:34,366 did not cooperate in any way, shape or form. 1179 01:06:34,450 --> 01:06:35,743 I did some wrongdoing, 1180 01:06:35,826 --> 01:06:38,454 I deserved to go to prison camp just like I did. 1181 01:06:38,537 --> 01:06:40,080 I went and I served my time. 1182 01:06:42,791 --> 01:06:46,712 And, of course, when I went through the-- the front door, 1183 01:06:46,795 --> 01:06:48,881 they immediately grabbed me 1184 01:06:48,964 --> 01:06:51,592 and they put me through the metal detector, 1185 01:06:51,675 --> 01:06:53,927 and it was, "Toes and nose against the wall." 1186 01:06:54,011 --> 01:06:58,682 And here I am being handcuffed, and I realized, "I belong to them now." 1187 01:07:00,768 --> 01:07:03,937 And I had mailed myself some magazines, 1188 01:07:04,021 --> 01:07:07,399 and I timed it so that it would get there when I got there. 1189 01:07:10,736 --> 01:07:13,072 When they brought the mail that day, 1190 01:07:13,155 --> 01:07:17,451 they put my mail through the food slot in the door. 1191 01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:21,413 In addition to the magazines I'd sent myself 1192 01:07:22,498 --> 01:07:24,666 was this letter from my youngest daughter. 1193 01:07:24,750 --> 01:07:25,918 Where do you live at? 1194 01:07:26,001 --> 01:07:28,128 I live at my house. 1195 01:07:28,212 --> 01:07:30,380 [Conte] What's-- Where's your house? In what city? 1196 01:07:30,464 --> 01:07:33,675 [voice breaking] And there were pictures of my kids, and, uh… 1197 01:07:33,759 --> 01:07:35,969 [emotional music playing] 1198 01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:38,097 Yeah, that's kind of when it all hit me. 1199 01:07:38,972 --> 01:07:40,182 [sniffles] 1200 01:07:40,265 --> 01:07:43,727 [voice breaks] I realized that I'd completely lost control of my life. 1201 01:07:44,311 --> 01:07:45,646 I hadn't really 1202 01:07:46,814 --> 01:07:49,483 reflected upon, you know… 1203 01:07:52,111 --> 01:07:54,947 how serious the consequences were. 1204 01:07:55,030 --> 01:07:58,742 But I thought that, "I'm a big boy, I'm a man." 1205 01:07:58,826 --> 01:08:01,662 "Whatever happens, I'll be able to deal with it." 1206 01:08:02,621 --> 01:08:04,665 I was-- Had been a horrible father. 1207 01:08:04,748 --> 01:08:08,210 I took-- I took their sense of security away from them. 1208 01:08:09,336 --> 01:08:11,296 And created a lot of uncertainty. 1209 01:08:12,297 --> 01:08:14,842 [Veronica] I think success is addictive, uh, 1210 01:08:14,925 --> 01:08:17,678 praise and credit is addictive, 1211 01:08:17,761 --> 01:08:20,639 but I don't defend what my dad did. 1212 01:08:21,140 --> 01:08:24,560 I think it's clear that he crossed some ethical lines. 1213 01:08:25,394 --> 01:08:26,687 And I wish he didn't. 1214 01:08:27,688 --> 01:08:29,857 [voice breaking] But I didn't realize 1215 01:08:30,691 --> 01:08:34,695 that this was the same effect on all the athletes' families. 1216 01:08:36,071 --> 01:08:38,782 That they had to deal with their kids coming home saying, 1217 01:08:38,866 --> 01:08:42,202 "Dad, at school they're saying you used steroids." 1218 01:08:42,286 --> 01:08:43,787 "Did you use steroids?" 1219 01:08:45,164 --> 01:08:48,750 And kids don't understand, you know, so it's, uh… 1220 01:08:48,834 --> 01:08:50,419 [trembling] 1221 01:08:52,671 --> 01:08:54,715 [Montgomery] Three of my kids run track and field. 1222 01:08:55,591 --> 01:08:58,093 The second-oldest boy has been training with me. 1223 01:08:59,094 --> 01:09:01,263 He's like, "Dad, what steroids do for you?" 1224 01:09:02,097 --> 01:09:03,974 And I said, "Ruin your whole life." 1225 01:09:04,892 --> 01:09:06,310 Runners, take your mark. 1226 01:09:08,145 --> 01:09:09,354 Set. 1227 01:09:09,438 --> 01:09:14,693 I told him, "If you cross the finish line and you were first and tested positive, 1228 01:09:14,776 --> 01:09:16,028 what did you gain?" 1229 01:09:22,618 --> 01:09:25,245 When you leave, you wanna know that you did it right. 1230 01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:31,627 Sometimes you can over try. 1231 01:09:33,045 --> 01:09:35,756 You got to always feel like you don't have a second chance. 1232 01:09:37,257 --> 01:09:38,800 Everything I did in the past, 1233 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,220 all the wrongs I did, 1234 01:09:41,303 --> 01:09:43,847 well, my son said, "Dad, I care nothing about that." 1235 01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:46,433 "I believe in you right now." 1236 01:09:48,727 --> 01:09:50,687 And so, as I think about it… 1237 01:09:52,981 --> 01:09:56,026 Victor Conte believed in Project World Record the same way. 1238 01:09:57,319 --> 01:09:59,905 He believed in the dream. 1239 01:10:01,698 --> 01:10:04,743 I guess in some respects, did we create a monster? 1240 01:10:04,826 --> 01:10:09,289 Uh, maybe a little, but, I mean, I think most people who hear and see Victor Conte 1241 01:10:09,373 --> 01:10:11,625 realize him for who he is, 1242 01:10:11,708 --> 01:10:15,879 and that's, you know, a used car, snake oil salesman guy, 1243 01:10:15,963 --> 01:10:16,922 bullshit artist. 1244 01:10:17,589 --> 01:10:19,716 I'd like to dedicate my life 1245 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,971 to helping to create a level playing field for the young athletes of the future. 1246 01:10:24,554 --> 01:10:30,519 I'm, by far, most proud of my contribution to the anti-doping movement, 1247 01:10:30,602 --> 01:10:33,522 and went and met with WADA, the World Anti Doping Agency. 1248 01:10:33,605 --> 01:10:39,653 I reveal specifically how these athletes are circumventing the anti-doping policies 1249 01:10:39,736 --> 01:10:41,363 and procedures in place. 1250 01:10:41,446 --> 01:10:44,908 What they're doing now is they're using duck and dodge techniques. 1251 01:10:44,992 --> 01:10:47,577 Just take it like this and put it under the tongue. 1252 01:10:47,661 --> 01:10:49,329 I think there's abuse going on. 1253 01:10:49,413 --> 01:10:51,790 I think there needs to be a further investigation. 1254 01:10:51,873 --> 01:10:55,335 -But how many guys are using it? -My guess is about 50%. 1255 01:10:55,419 --> 01:10:57,671 [Rogan] Fifty of MMA athletes, or professional athletes? 1256 01:10:57,754 --> 01:10:58,588 Yes, of MMA. 1257 01:10:58,672 --> 01:11:01,216 Now because you can't make a living cheating anymore, 1258 01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:05,220 you want to flip the other side and call people out, pointing fingers? 1259 01:11:05,304 --> 01:11:07,764 I can't believe anybody even listens to this guy, 1260 01:11:07,848 --> 01:11:09,599 anybody even quotes this guy. 1261 01:11:09,683 --> 01:11:12,978 Victor Conte is a two-faced piece of shit. 1262 01:11:13,061 --> 01:11:18,525 So Victor administrated the drugs, then he gave the drug people the system 1263 01:11:18,608 --> 01:11:22,779 on how to catch you now so that he can do something different. 1264 01:11:24,114 --> 01:11:27,075 And that's something you can never take from a hustler, 1265 01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:28,368 the hustle. 1266 01:11:29,369 --> 01:11:32,706 [Conte] It just so happens that the red-light district of sport, 1267 01:11:32,789 --> 01:11:35,292 which is boxing, I was able to find a home there. 1268 01:11:35,375 --> 01:11:36,209 [grunts] 1269 01:11:36,752 --> 01:11:38,253 -[bell rings] -[grunts] 1270 01:11:38,337 --> 01:11:41,048 With Victor, people will come to me and say, 1271 01:11:41,131 --> 01:11:45,594 "He's a cheater and he's going to try to give you drugs or he is giving you drugs," 1272 01:11:45,677 --> 01:11:48,722 and stuff like that, but I never really paid attention to it. 1273 01:11:48,805 --> 01:11:51,391 Yeah, I would say that it is performance-enhancing, 1274 01:11:51,475 --> 01:11:53,143 just without the drugs. 1275 01:11:53,226 --> 01:11:55,687 [chuckling] Victor's definitely the mad scientist. 1276 01:11:56,271 --> 01:11:57,564 You're a beast. 1277 01:11:58,148 --> 01:12:00,400 When you're doing high oxygen here, 1278 01:12:01,026 --> 01:12:04,279 it increases the production of lactic acid, 1279 01:12:04,363 --> 01:12:09,576 that, in turn, triggers the production of testosterone and growth hormone. 1280 01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:13,121 Your speed and your power are 10% greater. 1281 01:12:13,622 --> 01:12:16,833 There's a lot of things that work that are legal. 1282 01:12:17,417 --> 01:12:21,213 [commentator] Wanted to see another gear from Devin, he's showing us another gear. 1283 01:12:21,296 --> 01:12:24,049 Devin Haney is 30 and O. 1284 01:12:24,132 --> 01:12:25,967 He defends the undisputed… 1285 01:12:26,051 --> 01:12:29,846 [Novitzky] He'll take any publicity as long as his name is in the lights, 1286 01:12:30,347 --> 01:12:33,141 so I don't think you can believe a word that guy says. 1287 01:12:33,642 --> 01:12:35,519 [riveting music playing] 1288 01:12:35,602 --> 01:12:41,400 The BALCO investigation changed the country's perspective 1289 01:12:41,483 --> 01:12:45,404 and the perspective of the leagues towards drugs. 1290 01:12:45,904 --> 01:12:48,615 This record is not tainted at all. 1291 01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:50,158 At all. 1292 01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:55,414 [Schmidt] And it set off consequential developments 1293 01:12:55,497 --> 01:12:59,709 that create the drug-testing systems today. 1294 01:13:00,669 --> 01:13:04,131 [Veronica] I think the masses remember Victor Conte 1295 01:13:04,214 --> 01:13:07,926 as the guy who single-handedly brought down the world of sport. 1296 01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:09,970 I hope that changes. 1297 01:13:10,053 --> 01:13:12,097 [Hurd] Victor makes things work for him. 1298 01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:15,976 I think that that has a lot to do with him controlling his own narrative. 1299 01:13:16,059 --> 01:13:19,813 I mean, it's the American way. Isn't he still driving a Bentley? 1300 01:13:20,397 --> 01:13:23,900 [Conte] I realized there's no such thing as bad publicity. 1301 01:13:23,984 --> 01:13:27,654 Like, Google Ads, whatever the keywords that you put in, 1302 01:13:27,737 --> 01:13:30,282 if you put in "Barry Bonds" or "Marion Jones" 1303 01:13:30,365 --> 01:13:32,325 or "BALCO" or whatever it is, 1304 01:13:32,909 --> 01:13:35,787 right next to it's an ad for ZMA, right? 1305 01:13:36,288 --> 01:13:39,708 So, in essence, I was turning the lemon into lemonade. 1306 01:13:40,292 --> 01:13:42,252 Should I send the Feds a thank-you card? 1307 01:13:42,335 --> 01:13:44,880 They might have made me millions of dollars. 1308 01:13:46,339 --> 01:13:47,174 [chuckles] 1309 01:13:47,257 --> 01:13:50,469 ["It's All in the Game" by Tommy Edwards plays] 1310 01:13:50,552 --> 01:13:55,348 ♪ But it's all in the game ♪ 1311 01:13:59,478 --> 01:14:01,980 ♪ All in the wonderful game… ♪ 1312 01:14:02,063 --> 01:14:07,027 [commentator] …deals, and Bonds hits one high, hits it deep! 1313 01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:09,863 It is outta here! 1314 01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:13,742 Seven-fifty-six! 1315 01:14:13,825 --> 01:14:18,663 ♪ And your future's looking dim ♪ 1316 01:14:18,747 --> 01:14:20,081 [audience cheering] 1317 01:14:20,165 --> 01:14:22,167 ♪ But these things ♪ 1318 01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:30,342 ♪ Your hearts can rise above ♪ 1319 01:14:33,178 --> 01:14:36,097 ♪ Once in a while he won't call ♪ 1320 01:14:37,516 --> 01:14:39,309 ♪ But it's all ♪ 1321 01:14:40,602 --> 01:14:43,104 ♪ In the game ♪ 1322 01:14:46,691 --> 01:14:49,361 ♪ Soon he'll be there at your side ♪ 1323 01:14:51,029 --> 01:14:54,449 ♪ With a sweet… ♪ 1324 01:14:54,533 --> 01:14:59,579 [commentator] 9.78 seconds. A world record for Tim Montgomery. 1325 01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:02,624 [indistinct chatter] 1326 01:15:02,707 --> 01:15:05,627 [Montgomery] Did I deserve to get taken away? Yes, I did. 1327 01:15:05,710 --> 01:15:09,464 But the experience I'll always live with, 1328 01:15:09,965 --> 01:15:11,925 and that's what they can't take back. 1329 01:15:13,051 --> 01:15:17,264 That moment of doing this… they can never take it back. 1330 01:15:17,764 --> 01:15:18,890 [music stops] 1331 01:15:32,237 --> 01:15:33,697 That's the original sign 1332 01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:38,118 that was up behind the spectrometer and the laboratory of BALCO for 20 years. 1333 01:15:38,201 --> 01:15:40,495 Probably worth at least a buck or two I would think. 1334 01:15:40,579 --> 01:15:42,414 -[producer] You're gonna sell it? -I don't know. 1335 01:15:42,497 --> 01:15:45,500 No, we'll probably just give it to the baseball hall of fame.