1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:01,630 [paparazzi clamoring] 2 00:00:03,700 --> 00:00:05,870 [reporter] Kanye is the man! 3 00:00:08,070 --> 00:00:11,370 [Zan] All of a sudden, a divorce is definitely happening. 4 00:00:11,370 --> 00:00:12,800 And it was such a big news story. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,600 {\an8}[reporter] Hmm, sad news for Kim and Kanye fans. 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,170 {\an8}Filing for divorce from her husband Kanye West, 7 00:00:18,170 --> 00:00:20,330 {\an8}their high profile marriage coming to an end. 8 00:00:20,330 --> 00:00:24,370 {\an8}According to Forbes, the couple is worth $2 billion. 9 00:00:24,370 --> 00:00:27,900 [Neama] Both Kim and Kanye said they wanted an amicable divorce. 10 00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:30,900 Soon, it was clear that it was not gonna be the case. 11 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:33,530 It turned nasty, it turned litigious. 12 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:39,000 You're watching this giant partnership crumble apart. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,270 At any moment, Kanye can start airing dirty laundry, 14 00:00:42,270 --> 00:00:44,730 can start putting up obnoxious tweets, 15 00:00:44,730 --> 00:00:46,270 saying things about Kim. 16 00:00:46,270 --> 00:00:50,100 Her reputation is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. 17 00:00:50,100 --> 00:00:52,470 There was so much at stake in this case. 18 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:55,730 Billion dollar companies, properties all over the country, 19 00:00:55,730 --> 00:00:57,370 and four children. 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,500 [man] Julianna, come here for a second, please, 21 00:01:00,500 --> 00:01:02,370 and bring me Ye's prenup. 22 00:01:02,370 --> 00:01:06,000 The stated reason for the divorce was irreconcilable differences, 23 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,530 but the real question was, 24 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:09,900 why was Kim leaving Kanye? 25 00:01:13,970 --> 00:01:16,330 [Virginia] This was so dangerous for Kim, 26 00:01:16,330 --> 00:01:18,270 he's trying to keep tabs on her, 27 00:01:18,270 --> 00:01:19,870 he's trying to control her. 28 00:01:19,870 --> 00:01:21,270 It was just relentless. 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 [man] Kanye objected to the way 30 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,170 that Kim was parenting the children. 31 00:01:28,170 --> 00:01:32,330 {\an8}I know y'all don't respect fathers, it always leans towards the mom. 32 00:01:33,730 --> 00:01:36,630 [Sheeraz] She tried everything to save her marriage. 33 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:39,630 Kanye West was just ranting and raving. 34 00:01:39,630 --> 00:01:42,730 Acting out, behaving very inappropriately. 35 00:01:42,730 --> 00:01:45,000 Imagine living with that 24/7. 36 00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:48,430 ♪ I tell my soul ♪ 37 00:01:48,430 --> 00:01:52,270 - ♪ Fall in love again ♪ - ♪ Fall in love again ♪ 38 00:01:52,270 --> 00:01:54,370 ♪ I tell my soul ♪ 39 00:01:54,370 --> 00:01:59,270 - ♪ Forget and forgive ♪ - ♪ Forget and forgive ♪ 40 00:02:00,170 --> 00:02:02,870 ♪ I'm dreamin' in fire ♪ 41 00:02:02,870 --> 00:02:05,530 ♪ It's got me on the devil's list ♪ 42 00:02:05,530 --> 00:02:10,170 ♪ I tell my soul ♪ 43 00:02:10,170 --> 00:02:14,000 ♪ Fall in love, fall in love again ♪ 44 00:02:21,170 --> 00:02:22,270 [paparazzi clamoring] 45 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,430 {\an8}Kim Kardashian is one of the most photographed people on the entire planet. 46 00:02:31,430 --> 00:02:33,000 [paparazzi clamoring] 47 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,370 [Dax] There are constantly photographers 48 00:02:35,370 --> 00:02:37,630 waiting to capture every move she makes. 49 00:02:37,630 --> 00:02:38,700 [paparazzi clamoring] 50 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,000 [Zan] We think of Kim Kardashian as being public property, 51 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,270 and that's in part because she is a very new kind of celebrity. 52 00:02:46,270 --> 00:02:47,630 {\an8}She's a woman with a reality TV show, 53 00:02:47,630 --> 00:02:49,700 {\an8}she has given us a lot over the years. 54 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:53,100 Kim is extremely controlled in public 55 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:54,900 while there were things going on behind the scenes, 56 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:56,500 private things and struggles that she had, 57 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:57,730 and fights that she was fighting 58 00:02:57,730 --> 00:02:59,470 through some very difficult times. 59 00:03:04,370 --> 00:03:07,070 [woman] It's 2020, Kanye and Kim have been living apart. 60 00:03:07,070 --> 00:03:09,430 Her in Los Angeles, him in Wyoming. 61 00:03:09,430 --> 00:03:12,230 At the time, Kim Kardashian went out to Wyoming 62 00:03:12,230 --> 00:03:14,500 because Kanye was just off the rails, 63 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:17,970 to kind of urge him to seek help mentally. 64 00:03:20,230 --> 00:03:22,530 {\an8}This comes on the heels of countless rumors, 65 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:24,530 {\an8}that they were having trouble in their marriage. 66 00:03:24,530 --> 00:03:26,500 [Dax] And so, it was no surprise 67 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:28,730 that there was paparazzi in Wyoming 68 00:03:28,730 --> 00:03:31,700 tracking where Kanye West was at that time. 69 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:35,730 And the second that the two of them go out to the fast food joint, 70 00:03:35,730 --> 00:03:38,100 of course, they followed 'em all the way there, 71 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:41,470 and it was when that really infamous photo was taken. 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,630 [Zan] TMZ captures her in the parking lot of a Wendy's 73 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:54,800 and she's clearly really upset. 74 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,900 [Dax] Y ou saw that vulnerable, sad side of Kim 75 00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:00,170 where she's just breaking down crying. 76 00:04:00,170 --> 00:04:01,970 She was struggling with their marriage, 77 00:04:01,970 --> 00:04:04,800 struggling to hold the family together without him. 78 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,270 She's crying, she's gesticulating, 79 00:04:07,270 --> 00:04:09,370 she looks like she's pleading with Kanye. 80 00:04:09,370 --> 00:04:11,730 And she looks like a woman in crisis. 81 00:04:11,730 --> 00:04:14,000 That was just the tip of the iceberg 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,870 of what was really happening behind the scenes 83 00:04:16,870 --> 00:04:18,100 with Kanye. 84 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,530 Welcome to the Hollywood Raw podcast, I'm Dax Holt, 85 00:04:29,530 --> 00:04:31,600 and let's get into it this week. 86 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,900 I feel like we can't go a single day 87 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:35,870 without Kim, Kanye, 88 00:04:35,870 --> 00:04:40,100 someone from the Kardashian family in the news per always. 89 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:42,730 I don't picture my career without Kim Kardashian, honestly, 90 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:45,800 because her family, the Kardashians as a whole, 91 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,530 I mean, as crazy as it sounds, 92 00:04:47,530 --> 00:04:50,730 they are our Royal Family over here in the United States. 93 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:51,800 [paparazzi clamoring] 94 00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:55,730 When we first ran into each other, 95 00:04:55,730 --> 00:05:00,600 she was just Paris Hilton's best friend, she was the stylist. 96 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,170 We would see each other at parties, we would hang out. 97 00:05:03,170 --> 00:05:06,370 We had developed a friendship beyond just... 98 00:05:06,370 --> 00:05:08,530 celebrity and reporter. 99 00:05:08,530 --> 00:05:09,600 [paparazzi clamoring] 100 00:05:10,630 --> 00:05:13,800 [Dax] She's very warm, she's very approachable. 101 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,370 It's not like you're talking to this huge celebrity. 102 00:05:16,370 --> 00:05:18,630 She becomes normal Kim Kardashian, 103 00:05:18,630 --> 00:05:21,100 and she gets trashed on all the time 104 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:23,430 because people love to hate on her. 105 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:26,800 But she really is a sweet, sweet person. 106 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,600 {\an8}Anyone that knows me knows that I love hard 107 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,600 {\an8}and I live my life on a reality show, 108 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,530 {\an8}my life is so open, I share so much. 109 00:05:42,530 --> 00:05:45,100 {\an8}But to share relationship details, 110 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:48,330 I think that part I would really keep sacred. 111 00:05:48,330 --> 00:05:51,630 And then, I've gotta ask you about this bloke, Kanye West. 112 00:05:51,630 --> 00:05:53,530 - [audience cheering] - [mouthing] Who is that? 113 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,630 - Oh, look, what a lovely pair. - [Kim] Who's that? 114 00:05:57,630 --> 00:05:59,370 - [Alan] What a lovely pair. - [Kim chuckles] 115 00:05:59,370 --> 00:06:00,600 - [chuckles] - [Alan] Um-- 116 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:01,630 [audience exclaiming] 117 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:06,700 Kim and Kanye were in a brand new relationship, 118 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:09,730 and they would talk about it on TV. 119 00:06:09,730 --> 00:06:12,500 I think Kim Kardashian has always wanted love, 120 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:16,630 and I think she wanted this to the end-all be-all relationship. 121 00:06:16,630 --> 00:06:20,000 And it was like fire at the beginning, it was fireworks. 122 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:23,170 You can see through different interviews 123 00:06:23,170 --> 00:06:25,470 they have this, like, fairytale romance. 124 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:27,370 {\an8}I can see he makes your whole heart smile. 125 00:06:27,370 --> 00:06:29,000 {\an8}Your face lights up when you speak about him. 126 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,100 {\an8}- Really? - [Oprah] Yeah. 127 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:33,630 {\an8}- Does his bad boy image scare you? - [Kim] No. 128 00:06:33,630 --> 00:06:35,000 {\an8}Not at all. 129 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,270 [Dax] I mean, you see a lot of fake PR couples go around. 130 00:06:38,270 --> 00:06:40,100 But there was something different with Kim and Kanye. 131 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:42,700 You could tell that they were actually in love, 132 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:45,800 this was not something just to make headlines. 133 00:06:48,630 --> 00:06:52,730 {\an8}Kim was a huge influence for Kanye. 134 00:06:52,730 --> 00:06:54,900 {\an8}Huge, transformed his business, 135 00:06:54,900 --> 00:06:56,430 {\an8}transformed his image. 136 00:06:56,430 --> 00:06:58,430 But, in Kanye's credit, 137 00:06:58,430 --> 00:07:01,870 he also was extremely influential for Kim. 138 00:07:01,870 --> 00:07:04,100 They would support each other's brands, 139 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:05,730 cross-promoting themselves, 140 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:07,970 it was the definition of a power couple. 141 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:13,270 {\an8}Is anyone getting a tape of this? 142 00:07:13,270 --> 00:07:15,270 {\an8}Because I hope you do, you can see me when I'm famous 143 00:07:15,270 --> 00:07:16,600 {\an8}and old you'll remember me. 144 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,000 [Sheeraz] I remember when I first met Kim 20 years ago, 145 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,600 honestly, she was just a young girl 146 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,470 with a sparkle in her eye, 147 00:07:24,470 --> 00:07:28,370 an innocent soul that had a dream to become famous. 148 00:07:31,370 --> 00:07:33,170 Hey guys, I ran into Sheeraz. 149 00:07:33,170 --> 00:07:36,330 - Hello. - You've no idea the journeys we've been on together. 150 00:07:36,330 --> 00:07:37,730 [Sheeraz] This is the area right now 151 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:40,900 that I used to strategically position Kim for restaurants. 152 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:42,530 You'd see her coming out of restaurants, 153 00:07:42,530 --> 00:07:43,870 paparazzi showing up. 154 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,630 So, this place is The Ivy. 155 00:07:46,630 --> 00:07:48,630 I used to use this restaurant 156 00:07:48,630 --> 00:07:51,370 pretty much as my red carpet for her in Hollywood. 157 00:07:52,370 --> 00:07:54,600 Just here, stop. 158 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,530 The-- through those doors there, 159 00:07:56,530 --> 00:07:58,370 was Kim Kardashian's apartment. 160 00:07:58,370 --> 00:08:02,170 All her dreams, all our goals, all our fame strategies 161 00:08:02,170 --> 00:08:05,700 was built from this one small little apartment here 162 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:08,330 into becoming the most famous person in the world, 163 00:08:08,330 --> 00:08:10,000 and today, a billionaire. 164 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,070 [paparazzi clamoring] 165 00:08:13,270 --> 00:08:16,000 [Sheeraz] What attracted Kim Kardashian to Kanye West 166 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,630 in the beginning was his support, his belief in her. 167 00:08:19,630 --> 00:08:22,730 Kanye West was magnetized. 168 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:23,900 I was stunned. 169 00:08:25,070 --> 00:08:26,170 I thought, "Oh my God, Kim, 170 00:08:26,170 --> 00:08:28,100 you've got the most famous rapper on earth 171 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:29,270 that's like, a little puppy." 172 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:32,100 Well, Kanye West, he is an artist 173 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:36,000 and his whole thing is it's about fashion 174 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,870 and so, he sees this vision 175 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:40,500 she was the muse, 176 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:42,530 he was the fashion guru 177 00:08:42,530 --> 00:08:45,000 and I think that she was very open to it. 178 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:54,270 On the show they show he had rented out 179 00:08:54,270 --> 00:08:57,700 {\an8}the entire AT&T Park stadium. 180 00:08:57,700 --> 00:08:59,730 {\an8}He had a full orchestra, 181 00:08:59,730 --> 00:09:01,730 {\an8}he had fireworks. 182 00:09:01,730 --> 00:09:06,330 {\an8}So, you're watching this over-the-top gigantic event. 183 00:09:06,870 --> 00:09:07,700 {\an8}[gasping] 184 00:09:07,700 --> 00:09:10,900 {\an8}[Dax] In full Kanye and Kim fashion. 185 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:12,370 {\an8}[Kanye speaking] 186 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,070 [Zan] The-- one of the, sort of bonds, between Kim and Kanye 187 00:09:24,070 --> 00:09:26,800 was that they both lost parents that they were really close to. 188 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,330 Um, Kanye's mother Donda 189 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:31,730 died of complications related to plastic surgery in 2007, 190 00:09:31,730 --> 00:09:35,470 {\an8}and Kim's father Robert died of cancer, uh, when she was a teenager. 191 00:09:35,470 --> 00:09:38,500 {\an8}Her father's death absolutely changed her. 192 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:41,600 Kim's been sharing recently notes that she used to write to her father, 193 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,370 {\an8}throwback photos, she really looked up to him. 194 00:09:44,370 --> 00:09:46,270 It's not just, he died and that was hard, 195 00:09:46,270 --> 00:09:47,900 but these life events, where it's, you know, 196 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:49,470 getting married, having children, 197 00:09:49,470 --> 00:09:51,730 meant missing their dad continually. 198 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,700 Her family life means everything for Kim, 199 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:58,530 and this marriage going well 200 00:09:58,530 --> 00:10:01,230 was a really big deal and it really meant something to her. 201 00:10:07,370 --> 00:10:10,370 Like everything that the couple did, it was a spectacle. 202 00:10:10,370 --> 00:10:11,970 But, you know, I think there was some sense 203 00:10:11,970 --> 00:10:13,630 that there was trouble in paradise. 204 00:10:14,870 --> 00:10:17,370 I think that Kanye began to fall apart 205 00:10:17,370 --> 00:10:18,470 early in that relationship. 206 00:10:19,270 --> 00:10:21,530 Kanye wanted everything Kanye's way, 207 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:23,230 and when Kanye doesn't get his way, 208 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:26,230 he created these temper tantrums. 209 00:10:26,230 --> 00:10:29,530 You can never predict how he's gonna act and what he's gonna do. 210 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,900 It was our early glimpse into someone 211 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:35,700 whose control ultimately would work against him. 212 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:41,900 {\an8}There was a big shift in, I think, relationships 213 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:44,840 once Kanye came on the scene, um, 214 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,740 uh, you know I noticed at that time 215 00:10:46,740 --> 00:10:48,370 Kim went and basically 216 00:10:48,370 --> 00:10:51,370 wiped out all of the people that she followed on Twitter 217 00:10:51,370 --> 00:10:55,840 unless they were like, family or really close friends, 218 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,570 myself included in that-- [chuckles] that wipe out. 219 00:10:58,570 --> 00:11:01,630 And I think it was a strategic move from Kanye West. 220 00:11:01,630 --> 00:11:05,200 {\an8}I remember when I saw the first, let's call it, "red flag", 221 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,630 {\an8}you know, with Kim and Kanye, 222 00:11:06,630 --> 00:11:09,200 is when I'd spent months and months and months of planning 223 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,000 for Kim Kardashian to do an appearance in Kuwait and Bahrain, 224 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,470 and at the time she was pregnant with North. 225 00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:16,570 And, I think, 226 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:18,740 Kanye said to Kim, 227 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:21,470 "You are not going to Kuwait. You are pregnant." 228 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:26,270 {\an8}And in Kim's defense, you know, she said, "This is my business", 229 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:29,970 {\an8}she fought with Kanye, and she got on that plane. 230 00:11:29,970 --> 00:11:32,600 She came, she delivered and then she went back home. 231 00:11:34,330 --> 00:11:38,840 But, one by one, you know, people that Kim had worked with for many, many years 232 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,470 they were no longer around. 233 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:42,270 You know, he was trying to control the inner circle. 234 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,200 [Zan] One of the early things that they did publicly 235 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,740 {\an8}was that he came on Keeping Up With the Kardashians 236 00:11:51,740 --> 00:11:53,170 {\an8}and emptied out her closet. 237 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:56,000 {\an8}"I don't like your clothes, we're giving almost everything away." 238 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,430 {\an8}[Kim] Okay, do we not like these? 239 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,200 {\an8}Mmm-mmm. 240 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,600 {\an8}- No, no, no, no, no. - [Kanye] I just-- 241 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,330 {\an8}- I need these. - [Kanye speaking] 242 00:12:02,330 --> 00:12:03,700 Oh, yes, yes. 243 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:06,630 But shouldn't I just keep this for my daughter one day? 244 00:12:09,630 --> 00:12:11,530 Um... 245 00:12:11,530 --> 00:12:14,470 - [Kanye] Sometimes silence is the best response. - You use-- 246 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:17,200 [Virginia] One might look at that and think, "Isn't it wonderful? 247 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,270 {\an8}He is lavishing attention on her." 248 00:12:19,270 --> 00:12:21,070 {\an8}It's terrifying, 249 00:12:21,070 --> 00:12:23,200 because he's trying to control her. 250 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,470 [Kanye] How do you feel, baby? 251 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:26,840 Like, I'm literally crying. 252 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,000 We see Kanye really with a lack of boundaries. 253 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,840 It's really not his business how she dresses. 254 00:12:34,970 --> 00:12:36,840 Some of Kanye's, sort of behavior towards Kim 255 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,740 in the early stages of their relationship, 256 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:41,100 you know, in context here, you can read one way, right? 257 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:42,630 He's changing her fashion style, 258 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:44,430 he's changing her public image, right? 259 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:45,800 He's changing who she hangs out with 260 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,200 because he's made her A-lister, 261 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,000 she has these different friends now. 262 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,000 But, if you saw this happen with a civilian woman, 263 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,430 you might feel very differently about it, 264 00:12:52,430 --> 00:12:53,800 I think it's possible to say 265 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,630 right, you know, he's controlling what she wants to look like 266 00:12:55,630 --> 00:12:58,740 and who she hangs out with, like, those are red flags. 267 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:01,570 This pattern of behavior didn't just happen with Kim, 268 00:13:01,570 --> 00:13:04,370 it happened with his previous girlfriend Amber Rose. 269 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:11,170 {\an8}You know they have these stores called Build-a-Bear, 270 00:13:11,170 --> 00:13:13,330 {\an8}where children can go and they make a teddy bear, 271 00:13:13,330 --> 00:13:15,740 that's how Kanye built his girlfriends. 272 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,200 So, Amber Rose was someone that most people did not know 273 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,200 until she got with Kanye West. 274 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,700 He dresses her up, 275 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:24,840 he parades her around, 276 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,900 she goes where he wants her to go, 277 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:29,070 does what he wants her to do, 278 00:13:29,070 --> 00:13:30,470 but at her own admission, 279 00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:32,470 the controlling nature of the relationship 280 00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:35,430 is something that she really regretted once she got out of it. 281 00:13:38,270 --> 00:13:39,840 [DJ Envy] Special guest here this morning. 282 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,200 {\an8}- [man] He's back! - He's back! 283 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,600 {\an8}Kanye West! 284 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,200 {\an8}- Wassup? - [DJ Envy] I didn't think it was gonna happen-- 285 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,740 After Kanye and Amber broke up, 286 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:48,330 he said very derogatory things about her in the public. 287 00:13:48,330 --> 00:13:51,000 {\an8}If Kim had, like, dated me when I first-- 288 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,840 wanted to be, well, I wouldn't be with Amber Rose. 289 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,200 You know what I'm sayin', like... 290 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,600 I'd take 30 showers before I got with Kim. 291 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,900 - You know, I-- - [all laughing] 292 00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:01,270 [DJ Envy] Ladies and gentlemen, it's Kanye West. 293 00:14:01,270 --> 00:14:04,470 He said after being with her he had to take, like, 30 showers. 294 00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:07,570 He was really mean to this woman that he said he loved. 295 00:14:07,570 --> 00:14:11,270 {\an8}To slut shame me and say yeah, you needed 30 showers, 296 00:14:11,270 --> 00:14:13,530 {\an8}- it's like, well... - [Adam] Right. 297 00:14:13,530 --> 00:14:15,470 {\an8}- Took me around the world. - [Adam] Hmm. 298 00:14:15,470 --> 00:14:17,840 {\an8}Like, since when do you need 30 showers? 299 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,840 Amber Rose goes on a podcast called No Jumper 300 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,470 and in this interview, she really lifts the lid 301 00:14:23,470 --> 00:14:25,800 on her former relationship with Kanye West. 302 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,370 And you just realized this, you were never gonna be happier 303 00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:30,270 or content in that environment? 304 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:32,470 Yeah, I opted out. 305 00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:34,470 I don't want my life to be like that. 306 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:35,840 I'm not that type of person. 307 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Her leaving him 308 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,170 clearly caused him to have a visceral reaction. 309 00:14:39,170 --> 00:14:42,070 He couldn't control the fact that Amber Rose wants out. 310 00:14:42,070 --> 00:14:43,370 He has picked on me for te-- 311 00:14:43,370 --> 00:14:45,740 He has bullied me for ten years. 312 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:47,270 It's like, bro, just leave me alone. 313 00:14:47,270 --> 00:14:50,100 When things are good with Kanye, he... 314 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:53,200 {\an8}dotes them with gifts and praise and compliments. 315 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,900 {\an8}- [Kim] This is what I wake up to, guys. - [Kanye plays piano] 316 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,370 But the moment they decide that this relationship no longer works for them, 317 00:15:01,370 --> 00:15:02,470 then he turns on them. 318 00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:10,530 [Zan] So, the thing about Kanye West is, 319 00:15:10,530 --> 00:15:12,600 he's always been a very outspoken personality 320 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,070 and Kim knew that when she married him. 321 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:16,840 And so there were these kind of public cracks that were happening. 322 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,200 {\an8}There was a time in 2015 when he went on Twitter and was like, 323 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,170 {\an8}I'm $53 million in debt. 324 00:15:22,170 --> 00:15:24,840 {\an8}You know, that's some publicity that she didn't necessarily wanna have. 325 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,600 {\an8}But he has gone on rant on the set of SNL. 326 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,740 {\an8}You see, they laughin' at me, you heard them? They screamed at me. 327 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:33,430 They bully me. 328 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:36,970 {\an8}They bullied me backstage, they said, "Don't go out there with that hat on." 329 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:40,200 But then, he was also involuntarily committed in 2016. 330 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,200 So, there had been these kind of moments 331 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,270 making headlines and not in a good way for the family. 332 00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:47,270 [Dax] I think she was embarrassed publicly. 333 00:15:47,270 --> 00:15:49,200 She had this fairytale image of, like, 334 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,200 I wanna be together with this man for the rest of my life 335 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,570 and raise our children, 336 00:15:53,570 --> 00:15:55,740 and I think that slipping through her fingers 337 00:15:55,740 --> 00:15:57,100 took a really big toll on her. 338 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:05,470 [Jawn] I believe the downfall for Kanye West 339 00:16:05,470 --> 00:16:10,270 was when he admitted, uh, in an interview with TMZ in 2018, 340 00:16:10,270 --> 00:16:12,740 that he was no longer taking his meds 341 00:16:12,740 --> 00:16:14,840 because he did not like the way it made him feel 342 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,970 and it caused him to gain weight. 343 00:16:16,970 --> 00:16:20,470 {\an8}I'm takin' two-- hey, everyone listen to this, please. 344 00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:23,530 {\an8}These pills that they want me to take three of a day, 345 00:16:23,530 --> 00:16:26,170 {\an8}I take one a week, maybe two a week. 346 00:16:26,170 --> 00:16:29,200 Y'all have me scared of myself, of my vision. 347 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,000 So I took some pills so I wouldn't go to hospital 348 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,370 and prove everyone right. 349 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,370 [Jawn] His actions after that day 350 00:16:36,370 --> 00:16:38,370 really just started a cycle 351 00:16:38,370 --> 00:16:43,430 of really unpredictable, uncontrollable Kanye West behavior. 352 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:44,740 [notification tone beeps] 353 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:48,000 [Jawn] Then, it just became something that, on any given day, 354 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,200 and the middle of the night, 355 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,630 you would wake up to a Kanye rant on Twitter 356 00:16:51,630 --> 00:16:54,630 with some inappropriate post on Instagram. 357 00:16:59,740 --> 00:17:03,470 {\an8}[Dax] She then has to respond, because the world is saying, 358 00:17:03,470 --> 00:17:05,900 "Kim, we see your husband being wild over here, 359 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:08,270 {\an8}what do you have to say?" 360 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:10,970 {\an8}- [Kim] The thing is, when he gets ramped up-- - He has to do it. 361 00:17:10,970 --> 00:17:12,740 {\an8}- [Kim] He can't control what he says... - Yeah, let it go. 362 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:14,470 {\an8}- [Kim] ...he can't let it go, like-- - Yeah, he can't let it go. 363 00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:17,100 {\an8}But he loves being ramped up. 364 00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:20,100 He's like, "I feel powerful when I'm ramped up." 365 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:22,630 Like, "I don't wanna be, like, so suppressed." 366 00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:25,740 Like, "Yeah, I say crazy [bleep], but I've always said crazy [bleep]." 367 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:28,270 - "But that's why I'm Kanye", you know? - Kanye, right. 368 00:17:28,270 --> 00:17:32,630 Kim's acknowledging that Kanye has serious mental health issues, 369 00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:34,740 that he gets ramped up 370 00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:37,000 and instead of that being a sign 371 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,470 "Oh, maybe I need to take my medication 372 00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:42,630 and think more before I say something", 373 00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:45,270 it seems to just spur him on. 374 00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:48,200 It's your job to be able to manage your treatments, 375 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,200 whether that's medication, therapy. 376 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,630 Just because you have something, 377 00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:55,740 it doesn't let you off the hook for not treating it. 378 00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:59,900 [reporter] Kanye, coming in strong, come on, Kanye. 379 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,700 [Dax] So, there was a very well-known incident back in 2019 380 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:15,800 when you see this shift between Kanye West 381 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,200 styling Kim Kardashian 382 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:22,740 and having all the say-so in her look, her sexuality, everything. 383 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:25,570 {\an8}It's kinda like the first time we see Kim Kardashian 384 00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:28,900 {\an8}her own fashion decisions. 385 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:31,100 Kanye can come in and take some with me, 386 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:32,900 but I definitely want solos. 387 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:37,630 [Dax] And on the show they show the moment that he sees her in it. 388 00:18:37,630 --> 00:18:39,900 You know, last night I was having really bad anxiety, 389 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:41,470 and I don't need any more negative energy 390 00:18:41,470 --> 00:18:44,100 {\an8}for you to now say that you're not into me wearing a tank dress. 391 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:45,570 {\an8}[Kanye speaking] 392 00:18:48,970 --> 00:18:51,700 [Kim] You built me up to have-- be this, like, sexy person 393 00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:53,000 and confidence, and all this stuff. 394 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,840 - [Kanye] Yeah. - Just because you're on a journey 395 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,900 and you're on your transformation 396 00:18:56,900 --> 00:18:59,970 doesn't mean that I'm in the r-- I'm in the same spot with you. 397 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:03,070 - So... - Okay, all right, you know, all right, I'll go. 398 00:19:04,530 --> 00:19:07,200 [Dax] She was like, you're bringing on a lot of anxiety 399 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,530 before a huge day. 400 00:19:10,530 --> 00:19:13,840 And if you look back at the photos from the Met Gala, 401 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,200 all eyes were focused on her, 402 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,470 and he just seems kinda scowl-y in the background, 403 00:19:19,470 --> 00:19:22,740 like he just didn't approve of what was happening 404 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:26,270 I think you see evidence of Kanye's black and white thinking 405 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:30,270 by the way that it's either she's this fantasy creature 406 00:19:30,270 --> 00:19:32,800 or she's terrible. 407 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,900 Because he could no longer control her, 408 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:36,970 that was very threatening for him. 409 00:19:36,970 --> 00:19:39,270 So, he then had all these negative feelings 410 00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:41,000 that he couldn't really manage, 411 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,200 and I think that's when we started to see 412 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,370 his behavior get more and more scary. 413 00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:48,900 [photographer] Kim, by yourself, please. 414 00:19:59,270 --> 00:20:01,630 Kim Kardashian had worked really hard with her family 415 00:20:01,630 --> 00:20:07,100 to build this very controlled and very precise brand. 416 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:09,630 And she was in this professional metamorphosis. 417 00:20:09,630 --> 00:20:11,370 She's someone who started as 418 00:20:11,370 --> 00:20:14,840 a socialite, who ended up reality star, 419 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,100 but now she wanted more credibility. 420 00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:19,170 - Kim Kardashian West. - [all applauding] 421 00:20:19,170 --> 00:20:22,470 [Dax] That's why she started to go down the lawyer route, 422 00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:24,570 to actually do good in this world. 423 00:20:24,570 --> 00:20:25,430 [Kim] Hi. 424 00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:29,200 Um, it really is such an honor to be here. 425 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,530 I just wanna thank the President 426 00:20:30,530 --> 00:20:32,630 for really standing behind this issue. 427 00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:35,200 She's meeting with President Trump to get people out of jail 428 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,200 he's meeting with President Trump to basically 429 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,000 derail everything out there. 430 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,470 It was a really weird time 431 00:20:41,470 --> 00:20:44,970 and I think the dynamics between the two of them were so conflicting 432 00:20:44,970 --> 00:20:47,740 because they just had different objectives at that time. 433 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:50,800 She also was a really good mom. 434 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,470 So, she wanted to maintain the normalcy of the family life for her kids. 435 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:59,200 And she knew she had this erratic, unhealthy, unmedicated husband 436 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,840 who would risk it all just to prove a point. 437 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,570 [Kanye] I gotta let y'all know 438 00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:11,470 {\an8}I'm moving back to Chicago and I'm never leaving again. 439 00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:12,540 {\an8}[crowd cheering] 440 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,370 {\an8}[Kim] That is so insane... 441 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,470 [Zan] The biggest sign that Kim and Kanye's marriage was on the rocks, 442 00:21:19,470 --> 00:21:22,200 {\an8}Kim finds out that Kanye has announced on stage 443 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,200 {\an8}that the whole family's moving to Chicago. 444 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,440 The thing that set me off 445 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,200 was, okay, that should've been a conversation 446 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,100 before I see on the internet you're moving to Chicago. 447 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:31,840 - I find out-- - [Kanye] No, no, I told you that before. 448 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,100 We had that conversation. 449 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:34,470 - We all talked about that. - [Kim] Not a serious conversation. 450 00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:36,740 It was a-- any conversation I have is serious. 451 00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:38,700 I don't joke, I don't play. 452 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:41,200 [Zan] That's very tough when your partner is just telling people that 453 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,840 you know, you're gonna pick up and move from a city 454 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,700 that you have deep ties to, that your family lives in. 455 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:49,100 {\an8}And she talks in that episode about him kind of making these unilateral decisions. 456 00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:52,470 {\an8}But he's not really taking into account what her life needs. 457 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:55,470 {\an8}Isolation is a form of coercive control. 458 00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:58,300 {\an8}It's very well-known that in domestic abuse situations 459 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:00,670 the abusive partner will try to prevent 460 00:22:00,670 --> 00:22:03,840 the other partner from seeing friends and family. 461 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,670 Uh, that helps exert a lot of control over them 462 00:22:06,670 --> 00:22:09,300 and I think for Kim, she had to be pretty desperate. 463 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:11,200 She just never knew what was gonna come next. 464 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:19,370 {\an8}[reporter] As the words rolled off his tongue... 465 00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:22,370 {\an8}I have decided in 2020... 466 00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:23,640 {\an8}[reporter] ...eyes rolled. 467 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,700 {\an8}- [Kanye] ...to run for President. - [crowd exclaims] 468 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:27,300 {\an8}The rapper and designer says 469 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,000 {\an8}he's making a run for the Oval Office. 470 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,470 {\an8}Gives a whole new meaning to the west wing. 471 00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:32,470 {\an8}- That's-- - [all exclaim] 472 00:22:41,370 --> 00:22:42,640 [Kanye speaking] 473 00:23:01,370 --> 00:23:02,440 [crowd exclaiming] 474 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:04,540 [applauds] 475 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,470 [crowd murmuring] You didn't. 476 00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:17,940 [Lisa] It was so shocking when Kanye revealed 477 00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:20,100 that they had considered an abortion. 478 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,470 What a violation of Kim's privacy rights. 479 00:23:23,740 --> 00:23:25,840 There's just nothing to be gained 480 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,300 by him saying that publicly 481 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:29,170 other than shock value, 482 00:23:29,170 --> 00:23:32,570 getting attention for his absurd presidential run. 483 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,740 [Zan] One of the Kardashian sort of tools 484 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:37,570 is that they just don't talk about things. 485 00:23:37,570 --> 00:23:40,270 If there's not a flattering story, they do not give it oxygen. 486 00:23:40,270 --> 00:23:42,370 So one of the reasons that the South Carolina rally 487 00:23:42,370 --> 00:23:44,540 felt so different is 'cause Kim did address it. 488 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:50,470 {\an8}She put up an Instagram post basically saying, 489 00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:52,800 {\an8}"We're trying to deal with this as privately as possible, 490 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,740 {\an8}please have patience with us." 491 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:02,100 For her to admit that there was a situation that she couldn't control, 492 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,570 there were struggles that she had and fights that she was fighting, 493 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:08,200 really let you know that something very different was happening here. 494 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:11,100 This was a really bad situation. 495 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:22,470 {\an8}I think what really was the... 496 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:25,570 {\an8}was the nail in the coffin for their marriage 497 00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:28,300 {\an8}was Kanye West going on Twitter 498 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,940 {\an8}and going against the family. 499 00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:30,840 {\an8}[notification dings] 500 00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:37,170 {\an8}And then he put up one tweet in particular 501 00:24:37,170 --> 00:24:40,300 that really, I think, upset the Kardashian family, 502 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:44,000 which was he said, "Kris Jenner tried to lock him up." 503 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,200 "Lock him up." 504 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,800 This was around the time that Britney Spears' conservatorship 505 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,440 was becoming a hot topic again, 506 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,570 and we were really thinking about, you know, 507 00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:53,570 what it means to put 508 00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:55,100 involuntary psychiatric holds on people. 509 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:58,470 Um, so there was really some sense that Kanye was suggesting that 510 00:24:58,470 --> 00:25:02,000 he was maybe gonna be sort of legally imprisoned by these people. 511 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,570 [Dax] I mean... [sighs] I think there was 512 00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:05,740 {\an8}a lot of issues in the marriage, 513 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:09,740 but I would say Kanye not seeking 514 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:14,300 the help that he needed was probably a big problem between the two of them 515 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:16,470 because if you're not willing to help yourself, 516 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:18,470 then how are you gonna be a good dad? 517 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:20,200 How are you gonna be a good husband? 518 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,940 How are you gonna be a good person 519 00:25:22,940 --> 00:25:25,740 if you're not worried about your own mental health? 520 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,840 {\an8}[reporter 1] Hmm, sad news for Kim and Kanye fans. 521 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,570 {\an8}[reporter 2] This morning, one of Hollywood's 522 00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:35,940 {\an8}biggest power couples is calling it quits. 523 00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:38,570 {\an8}It was the biggest news story on the planet. 524 00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:40,300 {\an8}It made headlines everywhere. 525 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:41,270 {\an8}According to Forbes, 526 00:25:41,270 --> 00:25:44,200 {\an8}the couple is worth $2 billion. 527 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,670 {\an8}They have a prenup and now the heightened attention of all their fans. 528 00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:50,840 {\an8}[reporter] If the divorce is anything like the marriage, 529 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,440 {\an8}much of it will be played out in public. 530 00:25:56,570 --> 00:26:00,300 {\an8}Laura Wasser is a Hollywood attorney 531 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:05,900 that you pay big bucks to when you need to get out of a complicated marriage. 532 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:09,200 [Lisa] They had to be very tough going up against Kanye 533 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,200 because his behavior was so erratic and unpredictable. 534 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,300 Any moment, Kanye can start airing dirty laundry, 535 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,800 he can start saying things about Kim. 536 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,670 Her reputation is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. 537 00:26:21,670 --> 00:26:24,440 The amount of dollars that she gets from Kanye 538 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,000 and the division of property is a distant second. 539 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,470 And I think for Kim, she made it clear that 540 00:26:29,470 --> 00:26:31,740 protecting her children, protecting her family, 541 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:35,200 and protecting her reputation were of paramount importance to her. 542 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:38,670 [Zan] Kanye had been going through a lot 543 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:41,440 sort of directly before this divorce very publicly. 544 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,370 And Kim had been quiet and Kim had been standing by her man. 545 00:26:44,370 --> 00:26:46,840 {\an8}But since the split, Kim has talked more and more 546 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,000 {\an8}often using Keeping Up with the Kardashians 547 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,200 {\an8}about more difficult times in that marriage. 548 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,700 {\an8}If people knew what my relationship 549 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:57,270 {\an8}really was like, I think they would be like, 550 00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:59,740 {\an8}- "How did this last this long?" - Yeah. 551 00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:02,100 {\an8}But I can live with myself 552 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,440 {\an8}- knowing that I tried everything... - [Khloe] Yeah. 553 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,270 {\an8}...humanly possible to make a situation work. 554 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,640 [Lisa] Usually, there's one party who does not want 555 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,000 to get divorced and that's the person who drags it out 556 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800 because they're not really ready to accept reality. 557 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,570 Kanye's argued that the prenup was invalid, 558 00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:31,570 that, in general, in California, prenups are invalid. 559 00:27:31,570 --> 00:27:33,470 None of that makes any sense. 560 00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:36,540 Prenups are definitely valid in California, 561 00:27:36,540 --> 00:27:39,640 courts enforce them everyday. 562 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,740 It really seems to me like Kanye was trying to stall 563 00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:43,940 and delay and muck up the system 564 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:45,740 to make it go as slowly as possible 565 00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:47,370 and trying to delay the inevitable, 566 00:27:47,370 --> 00:27:50,000 which is a divorce from Kim Kardashian. 567 00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,940 But then the second him and Kim are separate, 568 00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:56,940 he starts dating Julia Fox. 569 00:27:59,170 --> 00:28:02,540 There were photoshoots of him and Julia, constant posting, 570 00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:05,070 matching outfits on social media. 571 00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:07,740 [Lisa] Kanye wanted to do what Kanye wanted to do. 572 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:09,570 If he wants to date, he's going to date. 573 00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:13,100 If he wants to slow down the system, he's going to slow down the system. 574 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:14,570 He just didn't want Kim to date. 575 00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:15,840 [piano music playing] 576 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:23,800 [Dax] Pete Davidson, here in the US, 577 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,000 he's a huge comedic actor, 578 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,700 {\an8}he's on a television show called Saturday Night Live. 579 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:30,570 {\an8}It's so beautiful, Aladdin. 580 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:31,900 {\an8}I've never gotten to see what it's like 581 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:33,670 {\an8}outside of the palace. 582 00:28:33,670 --> 00:28:35,740 {\an8}But it's even better seeing it with you. 583 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,800 They actually meet during a filming 584 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,700 when she was hosting Saturday Night Live. 585 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:42,270 Now are you gonna kiss me or not? 586 00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:44,170 They've had this famous kiss 587 00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:46,300 and then they end up falling for each other. 588 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:47,440 [audience cheering] 589 00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:51,000 She had been in such a serious, 590 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,370 sad mood for so long, 591 00:28:53,370 --> 00:28:55,640 and then here comes Pete Davidson. 592 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,000 I think it was such a breath of fresh air for her 593 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,740 that she immediately, like, 594 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:03,200 really, really liked the guy. 595 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:04,800 {\an8}[crowd cheering] 596 00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:09,740 {\an8}Oh, Kanye West did not like 597 00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:11,370 {\an8}when she got with Pete Davidson. 598 00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:13,840 {\an8}- [man] Goddamn it. - [crowd cheering] 599 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,370 He was calling radio announcers, 600 00:29:15,370 --> 00:29:18,200 telling them not to support her being with other people 601 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,900 as she was moving on and wanting to date. 602 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:21,900 He wanted to get her back. 603 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:24,840 SNL making my wife say, "I divorced him" on TV 604 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,470 'cause they just wanted to get that bar off 605 00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:28,800 and I ain't never even seen the papers, we're not even divorced. 606 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,270 Wow. 607 00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:32,740 So how we... [stutters] 'Cause that ain't no joke to me. 608 00:29:32,740 --> 00:29:35,200 My-- My kids want their parents to stay together. 609 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,940 I want their-- I want us to be together. 610 00:29:40,270 --> 00:29:41,940 [Zan] Kanye couldn't have reacted worse 611 00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:44,300 to Kim and Pete getting together. 612 00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:46,370 He was all over Twitter and Instagram, 613 00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:48,800 um, gave Pete the nickname Skete, 614 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,100 just sort of trash-talking him. 615 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,000 He mocked up a newspaper 616 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,200 indicating that he had killed Pete Davidson. 617 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,200 [Virginia] What Kanye is doing with airing all of this stuff 618 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,100 so publicly is very dangerous 619 00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:03,470 because he has all these fans 620 00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:05,570 who emulate his behavior. 621 00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:07,570 So it could really put Kim at risk, 622 00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:09,740 it could have put Pete at risk. 623 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:11,900 And it's also, you know, 624 00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:15,640 {\an8}young men who may then go on to treat the women 625 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,200 {\an8}in their lives in a similar way 626 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,740 because their hero has told them that this is how a man behaves. 627 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:25,900 [Lisa] If I were Laura Wasser, 628 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:29,570 I would definitely have used Kanye's social media posts against him. 629 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,900 Inciting your fans to harm Pete Davidson 630 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:38,800 is very dangerous and potentially criminal behavior. 631 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:46,100 You want the judge to see that the other side is behaving very badly, 632 00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,800 my side is behaving ethically and respectfully 633 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,000 because you want the judge to see what's really going on here. 634 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,470 {\an8}[Kanye] This thanksgiving is all about restoring the families. 635 00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:09,470 {\an8}I've made mistakes. 636 00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:12,940 {\an8}I've publicly done things that were not acceptable 637 00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:14,840 {\an8}as a husband. 638 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,270 {\an8}But I'm here to change that narrative. 639 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:20,570 {\an8}Kanye demonstrated that he was unwilling to accept 640 00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:21,840 {\an8}the marriage was over in a lot of ways. 641 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,540 He was going out in public and doing these events, 642 00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:27,270 making these increasingly outrageous statements. 643 00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:30,940 He has been very clear that he's not happy about this divorce. 644 00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:33,840 He absolutely wants Kim to be his and only his. 645 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,040 [Kanye speaking] 646 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:45,540 Here he is just, like, putting himself out there, 647 00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:48,470 you know, being so sweet. How could you say no to something like that? 648 00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:51,540 Um, well, the answer is because she doesn't want to, right? [chuckles] 649 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:55,100 {\an8}♪ I need you to run right back, baby ♪ 650 00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:59,170 {\an8}♪ More specifically, Kimberly ♪ 651 00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:00,740 {\an8}[crowd cheering] 652 00:32:01,670 --> 00:32:03,570 [Zan] At the Larry Hoover Benefit Concert, 653 00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:04,840 he calls Kim out by name, 654 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,570 right, this very public plea. 655 00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:09,840 This behavior seems like it was very frustrating for Kim. 656 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,300 She's trying to move on with her life, 657 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,370 parent her children, run her companies. 658 00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:15,640 And to have Kanye just constantly 659 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,570 putting his name next to hers in the news, 660 00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:18,940 scary and also frustrating. 661 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,300 {\an8}It's very unusual for a divorce case 662 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:31,300 {\an8}to be bifurcated or separated in two, 663 00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:34,940 but because Kanye was delaying the case so long, 664 00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:37,570 Kim needed to send a message to Kanye 665 00:32:37,570 --> 00:32:41,100 that there was no hope for reconciliation 666 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,740 and that they should start working on the children 667 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:45,800 and how to divide their assets. 668 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,200 But Kanye was desperate to keep this marriage together at all costs. 669 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,540 [Zan] Kanye's behavior definitely came off as creepy. 670 00:32:53,540 --> 00:32:56,040 And he was just absolutely unwilling to accept what was happening. 671 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,370 Kanye bought the house across the street from her 672 00:32:59,370 --> 00:33:01,570 extensively so he could see the kids, but also then, 673 00:33:01,570 --> 00:33:03,570 he's keeping an eye on her comings and going, 674 00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:05,940 giving you the sense of "I will not leave you alone. 675 00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:09,470 There's nothing you can say including 'I wanna legally separate myself from you' 676 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:12,540 that will convince me not to pursue you." 677 00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:16,300 Around Valentine's Day, he had trucks of flowers delivered to Kim's house. 678 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:18,640 [Virginia] These big showy romantic gestures. 679 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,900 to me, don't seem romantic at all. 680 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:24,100 {\an8}It's very attention-seeking, 681 00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:25,740 {\an8}it's love bombing. 682 00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:27,800 And love bombing, it's not about love, 683 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,270 it's about flooding the other person with attention 684 00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:34,470 so that you can then control them. 685 00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:36,300 It's just this relentless pattern 686 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,100 of trying to wear her down emotionally, 687 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,570 so apparently, she would come back to him. 688 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,840 [Zan] It's hard to imagine a motive for all of Kanye's legal wrangling 689 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,470 other than just wanting to drag it out 690 00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:54,270 as long as possible to stay married to Kim. 691 00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:58,400 The divorce felt like another reflection of his controlling behavior. 692 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,200 Kanye had a narrative of he was a jilted husband 693 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,200 and Kim moved on 694 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,470 and she had a new relationship, 695 00:34:05,470 --> 00:34:08,640 that Kim is trying to take the children from him. 696 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,840 {\an8}And North is like, "I wanna... 697 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400 {\an8}I-- I want you to come upstairs and see something." 698 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,040 {\an8}And it's like, "Oh, Daddy can't come inside." 699 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,940 {\an8}And I'm hearing that the new boyfriend is actually in the house 700 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:22,200 that I can't even go to. 701 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,300 And ain't no security gonna get in between me and my children. 702 00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:28,270 In this interview, Kanye is saying that 703 00:34:28,270 --> 00:34:31,770 this is about the children, that he's not allowed to participate. 704 00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:33,540 But it's really not about the kids. 705 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:35,540 It's about him needing to control everything 706 00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:40,040 and so he's launched this terrorism campaign 707 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,400 so that he can stay psychologically engaged with her 708 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,000 and the children stay kind of in the middle of a war zone. 709 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,900 [Neama] In a filing, Kim references harassment by Kanye. 710 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:08,270 {\an8}And she says, "I very much desire to be divorced." 711 00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:11,270 {\an8}Kanye has been putting a lot of misinformation 712 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:13,670 {\an8}regarding our private family matters 713 00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:16,000 {\an8}and co-parenting on social media, 714 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,570 {\an8}which has created emotional distress. 715 00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:21,800 I believe that the court terminating our marital status 716 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,400 will help Kanye to accept that our marital relationship is over 717 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,800 and to move forward on a better path. 718 00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:37,640 {\an8}I heard directly from Kim Kardashian's inner circle 719 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,370 {\an8}of how this divorce was affecting her. 720 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:47,540 Nightmares, couldn't go to sleep, 721 00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:50,800 anxiety, issues, relationship issues, 722 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,470 confidence issues, you name it. 723 00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:55,100 That was real pain. 724 00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:59,670 I think she felt that, you know, besides everything that they'd gone through, 725 00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:01,540 Kanye was her best friend. 726 00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:05,040 You know, I don't think she ever expected 727 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,940 to go through a tug of war. 728 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,200 {\an8}It makes you uncomfortable, man, because I see a woman 729 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,300 {\an8}who wants to live her life without being harassed. 730 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,040 {\an8}What she's going through is terrifying to watch 731 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,400 {\an8}and it shines a spotlight 732 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,570 {\an8}on what so many women go through 733 00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:26,800 when they choose to leave. You know, people always say that phrase, 734 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,570 to women, they go like, "Why didn't you leave? 735 00:36:28,570 --> 00:36:30,670 Oh, why didn't you leave, why didn't you leave?" 736 00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:33,800 Yeah, because a lot of women realize when they do leave, 737 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,170 the guy will get even crazier. 738 00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:38,400 [Zan] Trevor Noah, as the host of The Daily Show, 739 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,670 was really one of the first people to sort of call 740 00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:43,100 Kanye's behavior for what it was, which was harassment. 741 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,170 It's certainly been voices, you know, on Twitter, 742 00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:47,540 various places, people expressing concern, 743 00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:50,570 but he was the first really big public voice 744 00:36:50,570 --> 00:36:53,300 to say there are people behind these stories, 745 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,670 um, and something kind of scary is happening here. 746 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:59,040 And it's demonstrating to women that you can leave a man 747 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,170 and have him still pursue you. And we're giving a really 748 00:37:01,170 --> 00:37:03,840 bad message to women who are in abusive relationships 749 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,100 when we condone this behavior and write it off. 750 00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:16,900 {\an8}[reporter] Kim Kardashian is no longer Mrs. West. 751 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:18,200 {\an8}It really dropped like an anvil, 752 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,540 {\an8}it was a huge deal 753 00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:21,040 {\an8}in the sort of celebrity news world. 754 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,370 {\an8}[reporter 1] Judge granted Kim's bifurcation request 755 00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:25,670 {\an8}to restore her marital status to single. 756 00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:27,300 {\an8}Ye was not present for the hearing. 757 00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:30,100 {\an8}[reporter 2] The 44-year-old has posted numerous times about their split 758 00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:33,840 {\an8}and the SKIMS founder relationship with Pete Davidson. 759 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,570 {\an8}[Kanye singing] ♪ We havin' the best divorce ever ♪ 760 00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:38,940 {\an8}♪ If we go to court, we'll go to court together ♪ 761 00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:42,300 {\an8}♪ Matter of fact, pick up your sis, we'll go to Kourt's together ♪ 762 00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:45,470 {\an8}In this music video called "Eazy" by Kanye West, 763 00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:47,470 {\an8}It may be called "Eazy" but it's not easy to watch. 764 00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:49,570 {\an8}♪ God saved me from that crash ♪ 765 00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:53,370 {\an8}- ♪ Just so I can beat Pete Davidson's ass ♪ - ♪ Who? ♪ 766 00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:55,400 {\an8}[Dax] You see Pete decapitated, 767 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,300 {\an8}you see his grave, like, really dug into this man 768 00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:03,840 {\an8}who had nothing to do with the dissolution of his marriage. 769 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,270 They've got four kids. She's trying to block her kids 770 00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:10,840 from all the craziness that their dad was putting her through 771 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,000 and I think it was exhausting for her. 772 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,570 [Zan] Kanye posting his screenshots of text messages 773 00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:18,200 she sent him, you know, saying, 774 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,200 "This is really scary and someone's gonna get hurt 775 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,670 if you don't stop doing this." 776 00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:27,100 [Virginia] I think Kanye's tactic is to wear her down. 777 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,470 It was just relentless. He just kept at her. 778 00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:33,200 {\an8}This pattern of behavior seems to me to be 779 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,670 {\an8}such a sign of grandiosity that you would think that 780 00:38:36,670 --> 00:38:38,040 {\an8}you could get away with this. 781 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,300 It won't have an impact on your divorce case, 782 00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,470 that it doesn't make you look like 783 00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:44,900 perhaps not the most fit parent. 784 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:47,770 So it indicates that he's not really 785 00:38:47,770 --> 00:38:50,100 in touch with reality. 786 00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:55,010 [Jawn] I've consistently said throughout the years 787 00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:58,310 {\an8}that if the Kanye West that we've been seeing in public 788 00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:00,570 is as repulsive as he is, 789 00:39:00,570 --> 00:39:03,040 imagine living with him behind closed doors. 790 00:39:11,370 --> 00:39:12,640 {\an8}[Ellen] With so much going on in your life, 791 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,570 {\an8}everything that's going on with Kanye, 792 00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:16,500 {\an8}you always protect him because of the kids 793 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,570 {\an8}- and I think that's a beautiful thing. - [crowd cheering] 794 00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:20,840 {\an8}- Thank you. - [Jawn] What you see in this clip is 795 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,940 Kim is working really hard to keep some normalcy for her kids. 796 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:28,400 I always want my kids to just see the best of the best. 797 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,040 So I just try to, as hard as it can be sometimes, 798 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,140 I do try to ignore it 799 00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:35,370 and just try to do whatever's best for the kids. 800 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:38,670 [Neama] The case became messy because of the children. 801 00:39:38,670 --> 00:39:40,310 Kim's living in California, 802 00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:42,570 {\an8}Kanye is in Wyoming. 803 00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:45,640 {\an8}It's physically impossible for the children 804 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,470 {\an8}to be in both places at once. 805 00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:54,310 {\an8}The legal drama spills over into social media. 806 00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:57,210 {\an8}I'm just wishing my daughter a public "Happy Birthday". 807 00:39:57,210 --> 00:40:00,670 {\an8}I wasn't allowed to know where her party was. 808 00:40:00,670 --> 00:40:03,840 {\an8}Kanye was going out there, putting out to the public that 809 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,040 Kim was making him jump through hoops, 810 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,870 making him take drug tests. 811 00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:09,740 She wasn't inviting him to the birthday parties. 812 00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:12,570 And Kim responded. She's like, 813 00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:14,370 "You were invited to birthday parties. 814 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:17,310 You were here this morning picking up the kids, 815 00:40:17,310 --> 00:40:20,940 so don't go out there and look like the victim when that's not the case. 816 00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:24,270 And I very much had you involved with the kids' life. 817 00:40:30,270 --> 00:40:33,900 {\an8}I saw Kanye really behaving like an emotional terrorist 818 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:37,140 because he bullied her through social media 819 00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:40,940 with these crazy texts and... 820 00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:44,570 Twitter rants that he went on. I mean, they were violent. 821 00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:48,140 It was really emotionally abusive behavior. 822 00:40:48,140 --> 00:40:52,770 He just seems on attack with Kim all the time. 823 00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:59,210 And it's never anything that he did to contribute to the problem. 824 00:40:59,210 --> 00:41:02,140 Clearly, what it does is it damages her reputation 825 00:41:02,140 --> 00:41:03,840 but it gets him so much attention. 826 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,570 It's sort of trying to paint himself 827 00:41:05,570 --> 00:41:08,370 as the victim in the public's eyes. 828 00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:09,310 [camera shutters clicking] 829 00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:14,370 [Dax] Kim had finally had enough 830 00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:16,640 and she goes on Instagram and really sounds on-- 831 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,210 {\an8}Let me pull up the quote. It says, 832 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:20,770 {\an8}[Dax reading] 833 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,470 I think that was really Kim saying, 834 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:58,140 "Kanye, please be done, close your mouth. 835 00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:01,370 Let us move on in peace. We have children together." 836 00:42:01,370 --> 00:42:04,840 {\an8}- I definitely protected him. - [Angie] Mmm-hmm. 837 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,400 {\an8}No matter what is happening in the world, like, 838 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,840 {\an8}- I have to have that, you know... - [Angie] Hmm. 839 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,270 {\an8}...smile on my face and blast his music 840 00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:13,940 and sing along with my kids 841 00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:15,770 and act like nothing's wrong, you know. 842 00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:19,310 As soon as I drop them off, I can have a good cry or, you know, 843 00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:21,770 text back and do what I gotta do. 844 00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:25,210 One of the most telling things she said was 845 00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:28,110 she'll be in the car taking her kids to school 846 00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:30,210 and they're listening to Kanye's music 847 00:42:30,210 --> 00:42:33,400 and she sings along with them. 848 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,670 Because she wants them to think back on their childhood and think, 849 00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:40,310 "Yeah, my mom supported my dad." 850 00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:42,500 I had the best dad 851 00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:44,210 I had-- [softly] I don't wanna get emotional. 852 00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:47,570 - Aw. - [crying] It's just been a day for me. 853 00:42:47,570 --> 00:42:50,400 - Co-parenting, it's really fucking hard, you know? - Mmm-hmm. 854 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,500 Part of why she's making the choices she's making 855 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:56,940 with co-parenting is to help her children have 856 00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,670 some of the good feelings that she had in childhood with their own father. 857 00:43:00,670 --> 00:43:03,670 But at some point, they're bound to see some of the texts 858 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:07,310 that their father wrote, or the things that he put on Twitter 859 00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:09,840 and that's a terrible position for a child to be in. 860 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,770 [notification dings] 861 00:43:16,310 --> 00:43:17,270 [notification dings] 862 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,210 {\an8}Kim Kardashian's number one love right now is her children. 863 00:43:28,210 --> 00:43:31,010 Imagine you have billions of people reading 864 00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:33,640 the most horrific messages about you. 865 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,770 Painful messages ripping your entire family apart. 866 00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:41,500 And during this time, 867 00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:44,210 she's still looking after the kids. 868 00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:46,870 While Dad is attacking me, 869 00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:49,210 I am being a mum 870 00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:52,010 and looking after our children. 871 00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:55,400 There's not many women out there 872 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,210 that could take that level of abuse publicly. 873 00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:07,670 By October 2022, there was no settlement 874 00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:10,940 and judge Cochran set the case for trial. 875 00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:13,140 [Lisa] Laura Wasser had to be thinking, 876 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:15,110 "This is not good for Kim. 877 00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:18,040 {\an8}We do not want to go to trial, let's try to resolve it." 878 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,670 So there's the court of public opinion and then there's the court of law. 879 00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:25,310 The court of public opinion is probably more important to Kim 880 00:44:25,310 --> 00:44:28,310 than the court of law. She has her reputation. 881 00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:32,500 Once that trial date is set, we have a ticking clock 882 00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:35,400 and both sides are motivated to get this thing settled 883 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,040 before they have to show up at the courthouse doors. 884 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:43,900 {\an8}[reporter] Most recently, it has been his 885 00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:46,310 {\an8}controversial behavior getting attention. 886 00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:48,770 {\an8}Anti-Semitic posts and interviews 887 00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:51,770 {\an8}spreading conspiracy theories about Jewish control 888 00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:53,500 {\an8}over the media and government. 889 00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,570 Hateful rhetoric now being echoed by a celebrity 890 00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:58,470 with tens of millions of followers. 891 00:44:58,470 --> 00:45:00,770 - [notification dings] - [Dax] There was this tweet he put up, 892 00:45:00,770 --> 00:45:04,640 going death con 3 on all the Jews. 893 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,740 And it really 894 00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:09,570 put him in a negative light. 895 00:45:09,570 --> 00:45:13,010 The backlash was huge, the media came after him. 896 00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:16,310 This is really all about standing up against hate speech. 897 00:45:16,310 --> 00:45:19,010 - Nothing you're saying has anything to do with-- - My brilliant idea-- Ay, boy. 898 00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:21,400 - Ay, boy. Ay, boy. - Don't call me boy. 899 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,640 Don't finish-- I told you. 900 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,210 Oh, and don't treat me like a boy then. 901 00:45:25,210 --> 00:45:27,310 - I'm not. - I'mma finish my sentence and my idea. 902 00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:28,670 Nothing you're saying has got anything... 903 00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:30,110 - Do not, okay. - ...to do with the tweet. 904 00:45:30,110 --> 00:45:32,400 [Jawn] Kim was trying her best to be supportive of Kanye 905 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,870 even when he was falling apart in public. 906 00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:38,040 But I think even she had to say, "Enough is enough." 907 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,500 {\an8}[reporter reading] 908 00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:50,740 [solemn instrumental music playing] 909 00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:05,040 [Dax] Kim and Kanye are officially divorced 910 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,370 and the assets have been divided. 911 00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:09,840 It's actually a pretty fair settlement. 912 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,140 Uh, she gets to keep the Calabasas house 913 00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:16,500 and, uh, they're basically get to keep the bulk of both of their fortune. 914 00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:19,010 [solemn instrumental music playing] 915 00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:29,140 [Lisa] Considering the years of Kanye's bad behavior, 916 00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:33,010 he got off very lightly without even a slap on the wrist. 917 00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:35,210 That's because Kim just wanted this to be over with. 918 00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:36,840 She didn't want a big public trial. 919 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,040 [camera shutters clicking] 920 00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:43,310 I think Kim got out just in time. 921 00:46:43,310 --> 00:46:47,500 She got out just before every brand dropped Kanye. 922 00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:50,370 She escaped from being associated with that. 923 00:46:59,570 --> 00:47:01,400 [Kim] I am the one 924 00:47:02,310 --> 00:47:05,110 {\an8}being accused for so many things 925 00:47:05,110 --> 00:47:07,210 {\an8}and blamed for so many things. 926 00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:11,140 {\an8}And it really, really is hurtful and it sucks. 927 00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:13,670 {\an8}It's like the hardest feeling 928 00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:17,940 to watch someone you really loved and you have a family with 929 00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:21,010 just be so different than who you knew. 930 00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:33,140 ♪ I tell my soul ♪ 931 00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:37,310 - ♪ Fall in love, forgive ♪ - ♪ Fall in love and forgive ♪ 932 00:47:37,310 --> 00:47:39,570 ♪ I tell my soul ♪ 933 00:47:39,570 --> 00:47:43,940 - ♪ Fall in love, forgive ♪ - ♪ Fall in love and forgive ♪ 934 00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:47,770 - ♪ Oh ♪ - ♪ I've been dreaming fire ♪ 935 00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:50,270 ♪ It's got me On the devil's list ♪ 936 00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:53,210 ♪ I tell my soul... ♪