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So, very young...
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...I got obsessed with horror.
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I just think it would be fun
to survive a horror movie.
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But you make it to the end...
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...and the credits roll,
and everyone's fine.
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That's just always been, like,
super appealing to me.
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I think I googled,
"Survive your own scary movie,"
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which is where
the beginning of this started.
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But, every horror movie...
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- ...has a monster.
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Hey, everybody. It's Russ.
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This is Immersive Horror,
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where you become the star of the show.
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No!
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No, Russ. Please...
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Stay with me, honey.
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- Hold your breath.
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On the count of three, hold your breath.
One. Two.
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- Please--
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An immersive horror experience is...
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...you are basically putting yourself
inside of a horror movie.
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My legs hurt, and my arms hurt,
a-and my hands are freezing.
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And I can't feel them 'cause there's still
shocks running through my hands.
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You had a good time, though?
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Yes! I had a great time.
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I don't know too many people
outside of my small little group
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that know about this stuff.
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It is relatively underground,
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and right now, we have
the worst salesman for it
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in the history of bad salesmen.
That's Russ McKamey.
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I am the owner and creator
of McKamey Manor,
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the world's most extreme haunted house.
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Russ has positioned himself to be
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- the great danger.
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You're in boot camp,
you are in North Korea,
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you are in Stalinist Russia,
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and you're gonna see
if you can make it out or not.
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- We're showmen.
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I am the P.T. Barnum of the haunt world.
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Look at her. Look at her.
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I spent hours trying to convince her
not to show up here.
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But she wouldn't listen to me.
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The show's never over with Russ.
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Please stop, Russ. Please, please.
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Russ has crossed the Rubicon.
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There's no goin' back.
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I'm leaving McKamey Manor, thank God.
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Do. Not. Come. Here.
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McKamey Manor
has a history of, um, cities and towns...
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- ...not wanting us in their location.
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You know, we were kicked out of Illinois.
We were gonna move out there.
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Um, the city saw the movies
after we were there,
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basically, and freaked out.
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And they were, you know,
they just went crazy,
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you know, praying in front of the building
to keep us away,
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shooting out the windows, slashing tires.
I mean, they really did not want us there.
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Hey, everybody, welcome to the
Captain's pizza party! It's time to party!
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♪ I really, really, really, really,
really, really, really like girls ♪
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♪ Yeah, I really, really, really, really,
really, really, really like girls ♪
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You are from the military,
you were in the Navy.
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Oh, absolutely. Yeah,
I've-I was in the military for 23 years.
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Even on a ship, I had a haunt going on.
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Russ McKamey created a house of horror
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that would rival anything
at a carnival or theme park.
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- Nine rooms, animated ghoulish figures,
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you wonder what he spent on it.
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This year, about $30,000.
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It took me six months to do
what I did in there so far,
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so, and we just ran outta time.
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A Navy veteran
who now works with the VFW,
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he's just always loved Halloween, he says.
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When we first met,
I started doing video work for him.
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Russ was my friend.
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I thought that me and Russ
were-were best friends.
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When the manor started originally,
it was an awesome thing.
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It was kids working it,
jumping out, scaring you.
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You know, there was a line
to get in on Halloween.
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- It was a cool thing.
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That was when the news
on what we were doing got big.
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This is considered the scariest
haunted house in America.
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- We were on Good Morning America,
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every news station,
everybody was doin' a story on us.
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McKamey Manor is completely interactive.
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- A two-hour visit to hell on Earth.
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And then every year,
he had to one up it.
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Had to get a little more intense.
A little more intense to the point,
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though, finally,
they got rid of the kids.
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- Here they come! They're coming!
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McKamey Manor promises
an extreme experience
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that can last up to 10 hours,
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requires participants to be
medically cleared by a doctor
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and sign a 40-page waiver.
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This place has been
known to break the minds...
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It was invented by
this crazy gentleman...
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Russ McKamey videotapes
every single second...
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...inducing is a form of
psychological torture, but for fun.
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They say it amounts
to a torture chamber. Yikes.
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- The phones would not stop.
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His phone would constantly ring,
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my phone would constantly ring,
with people trying to get in.
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It was insane
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how quickly and how big it got.
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And that's when it got violent.
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- Don't fuckin' move.
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- Stop resisting!
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I probably wouldn't do the haunt
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- if I wasn't able to film it.
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- That's nice.
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Because I want the world
to see what I'm doing.
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I am here because I want everyone
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to know the truth on Russ.
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I don't feel like I'm,
like, mentally weak,
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but it messed me up.
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I'm over five years past it...
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...and I'm just now coming to terms
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with how fucked up it was.
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The dude lives in the dark.
The world needs to see
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what this man has done to people.
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If someone asked me my story,
I would tell it to 'em.
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There's actually a lesson
to be learned from Russ.
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I am a producer and creator
of immersive horror.
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I'm putting them through what
I would perceive as horrific.
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I'm putting them through a scenario
that I'm terrified of.
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I love traditional Halloween.
Like, I love old school haunted houses.
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An immersive horror experience
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is definitely evolved
out of a haunted house,
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- but...
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...you can't compare
these things together.
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If you wanna put 'em in a hierarchy,
you know, you have boo haunts up here.
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The normal boo haunted house,
they pop out of a hole in the window,
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- they scare you around a corner.
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Those are just walkabout haunted houses
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that everybody can go to.
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Followed by more extreme haunts...
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...but without necessarily
actors touching you.
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As you kind of get into
the more immersive experience,
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- they can separate you from your friends.
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They can tie you up,
but it's nothing super extreme.
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At the very bottom is...
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- ...immersive, extreme type experiences,
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where it is full contact.
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There's no topic that's off the table.
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They're longer, they're more intense,
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they're more narrative-driven,
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more task-driven, and personal.
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Some of these ultra personal experiences
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are made to make you face
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all the things that you don't wanna face.
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Hands and knees,
Hands and knees!
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And they go about it
in extremely creative ways.
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Fuck!
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They put you in situations that you
didn't realize you were even scared of.
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People just enjoy the rush of it
'cause it is a thrill.
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The point is how much
can you take, right?
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How much physical and mental abuse
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can you put up with
before you just cut out?
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But, you can take away
consent at any time,
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and a good extreme haunt owner knows that.
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You constantly have to
ask the participant,
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"Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?"
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Even if it's seven hours,
they're going to make sure that I'm safe.
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But it isn't just the torturing people.
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There is subtext to the show.
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There's subtext to the things
that I'm talking about.
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But, that isn't always the case.
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There's one person
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basically running a torture chamber.
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[echoing] You made a big mistake.
Come on.
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Russ was, like, a celebrity. You know,
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every YouTube video at the time,
every Facebook link
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was Russ' face, mentioning this haunt.
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We're here waiting for you.
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Russ McKamey's a divisive figure.
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Just get him in here! Get him in here!
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He uses his divisiveness
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to get your attention,
to grow in attention.
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You understand what I'm telling you?
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Yes what? Tell me what
I just told you, Christina.
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He started to put little bits
of information out there
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to make himself more infamous, I guess.
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You look scared Steve.
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- I'm terrified, sir.
- Yeah, you need to be.
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It billed itself as the most
extreme haunted house in the world.
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They do all kinds of crazy stuff to you.
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I don't like you here.
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I am gonna make sure you have
the worst day of your entire life.
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They drugged you,
that they pulled your teeth,
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that if you threw up,
they make you eat your throw-up.
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And I was like, "How is this possible?
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But, man, this is fascinating."
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Let me out!
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Let me out! Let me out!
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We only do one
or two shows a week.
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- The list is long.
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One of those things
that Russ liked to say was
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he had this 27,000 person waitlist.
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- You won the lottery.
- Out of 20,000.
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- 27,000.
- 27,000!
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He's so big with this huge waitlist.
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I'm offering you 20 grand,
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and you know we're probably
not gonna kill ya, so...
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There was a $20,000 money prize.
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Oh yeah, well, the 20 grand,
that's a big part of it.
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Well, here I am.
Today's the day for my McKamey Manor tour.
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Some people see that 20 grand,
and they're enticed by that money.
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Everyone on the internet
told me I could do it,
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they wanted me to, and I didn't listen.
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Do not come here.
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Price of admission
for this eight-hour-plus adventure?
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Four cans of dog food
or a bag of dog food.
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He's not making money.
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I think most of the money that went into
the haunt was from his previous wife.
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But I think it is just to keep himself,
keep himself clean.
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Haunted houses, like,
this is not a money thing.
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You gotta do this for the art,
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- or 'cause you're a sociopath.
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You wanna run a torture chamber.
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We're known for no quitting
and no safe-wording.
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I make it simple 'cause I'm a simple guy,
and I can't have too many rules,
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otherwise I'll get confused.
So, either you actually complete the tour,
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- which is not going to happen...
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...or you mentally or physically
are at such a breaking point
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that it's now not safe
for you to continue,
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and I need to take you out.
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Russ doesn't want you to quit
until you are a pile of bones and flesh.
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And then, you're not probably done either.
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All that bad stuff,
it's selling point.
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It's not a reason not to go.
It's a reason to go.
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How bad can it be?
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That's my number one rule
before I go to any extreme haunt.
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If a felony's not gonna be taking place,
I don't wanna go.
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I love the adrenaline.
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There was no second thought,
there was no nothing. I had to do it.
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I had just moved to Los Angeles.
I was, like, trying to be an actress.
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I had a group of friends
that were creative,
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so we would just do fun little
short films that were scary.
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And I wanted something more extreme.
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And it was like
a full send point in my life,
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where I just didn't think about anything.
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I was like, "Okay, like,
you only live once.
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Like, why not just try to, like,
get into this haunted house?"
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My day-to-day activities,
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my normal routine gets dull,
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and I wanted to branch out.
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And I'm not gonna lie.
246
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I honestly thought that
this was gonna help
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get me a little bit of fame.
And I wanted a video of me up on YouTube.
248
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And the more people that
I talked to about this that said,
249
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"No, don't do it, don't do it,
don't do it,"
250
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the more it motivated me.
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My first conversations with Russ
involved going to his website,
252
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finding out what his email address was,
and I just sent him an email.
253
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And I contacted the admins
about doing a tour.
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"I wanna be an actress. I love horror.
Um, I'm trying to start a YouTube channel.
255
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Like, I would love to do this haunt."
256
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Not even two days later,
I actually got the email back from him.
257
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"Hey, Gabi, are you available tomorrow?
258
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I have, like, a spot opening up.
Someone bailed."
259
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We kind of bonded because
we were both in the service.
260
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He says, "This is your only opportunity
to get in. I got 20,000 people waiting,
261
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I'm bumping you
to the front of the line."
262
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People get so obsessed,
and Russ is feeding their ears,
263
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and they're like,
"This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,
264
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because I'll never get this chance again."
265
00:18:53,218 --> 00:18:56,805
Then, I had to do this little video
that Russ asked me to do,
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live on this private Facebook group.
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I had a friend hanging me
by my ankles upside down,
268
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and I actually ate night crawlers
269
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mixed with toothpaste and mustard.
270
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[on video] She's done.
She's ate all the worms.
271
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And it was horrible. Absolutely horrible.
272
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But I felt like I needed to be
273
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over the top in my creativity,
274
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because he was a big deal,
275
00:19:26,376 --> 00:19:28,962
and I wanted to stand out from the rest.
276
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He announces, you know, I can do a tour.
277
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I said yes.
278
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And I was over the moon excited.
279
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I was like, I guess, for some reason,
he liked my email.
280
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And he was very kind at that time.
281
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He made me feel like I was important
282
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and that I was already this huge celebrity
283
00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:48,565
and I had a fan base.
284
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You know, I'm gonna rock this.
285
00:20:11,922 --> 00:20:14,758
I'm super scared.
I don't know who my partner is.
286
00:20:14,758 --> 00:20:17,636
Um, I'm waiting until it gets
a little closer to the time,
287
00:20:17,636 --> 00:20:19,888
then I'm gonna go sit
in the spot and wait.
288
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He said, "Find parking near the park.
There are bleachers. Sit at the bleachers,
289
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face forward.
Don't turn around or anything."
290
00:20:26,895 --> 00:20:30,732
And then, I went and met Russ at the park
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for my waiver signing.
292
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I was nervous. I was shaking.
My hands were trembling,
293
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and I was trying to fake that I was fine.
294
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Sure.
295
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That was the infamous waiver.
296
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That was the waiver that
you're basically signing your life away.
297
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We're not responsible if you die.
Like, you're agreeing to sign up for this.
298
00:20:57,634 --> 00:20:58,635
No.
299
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- Yes, yes.
- Take this. Don't get it wet.
300
00:21:02,806 --> 00:21:05,475
Why are you doing this?
That's my question. Why would you do this
301
00:21:05,475 --> 00:21:08,353
after everything that's happening,
why would you sign this waiver?
302
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"Participant fully understands and agrees
that once participant enters MM,
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there is no quitting unless
serious psychological injury is present."
304
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Your hair may be chopped off.
Dentistry may be done.
305
00:21:23,285 --> 00:21:24,869
You may have a tooth extracted.
306
00:21:24,869 --> 00:21:28,039
"Head, neck, back injuries,
death, stroke,
307
00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:30,333
traumatic brain injury, brain aneurysm."
308
00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:32,669
I wasn't allowed to, like,
look at the person
309
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who gave us the waiver.
310
00:21:33,795 --> 00:21:35,463
We had very weird instructions.
311
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"Retinal hemorrhage, subdural hematoma,
loss of consciousness, whiplash,
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"harmful heart reactions,
313
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"nausea, headache, dizziness, lacerations,
314
00:21:45,265 --> 00:21:47,058
broken or sprained bones."
315
00:21:48,226 --> 00:21:50,186
None of this had gotten to me.
316
00:21:51,521 --> 00:21:55,400
I had too much excitement
going through my veins at the time.
317
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,445
If it would've said a man's
gonna come out of the woods
318
00:21:58,445 --> 00:22:01,531
and murder you during this event,
I-I would've signed it.
319
00:22:16,796 --> 00:22:19,966
I get that feeling,
that adrenaline is just building,
320
00:22:19,966 --> 00:22:23,470
which is reminiscent right before
I left the wire when I was in Iraq.
321
00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:26,806
This was going outside of
the safety of your FOB.
322
00:22:28,016 --> 00:22:29,935
The FOB,
it's a forward operation base.
323
00:22:30,644 --> 00:22:32,437
That's where we lived.
324
00:22:32,437 --> 00:22:35,899
There's a clear delineation
of safety there. You know, safe,
325
00:22:37,317 --> 00:22:38,318
not safe.
326
00:22:39,653 --> 00:22:41,529
As soon as you go outside the gate...
327
00:22:43,657 --> 00:22:46,076
- ...adrenaline's as high as you can go.
328
00:22:46,076 --> 00:22:49,329
- Yeah! Woo!
329
00:22:49,329 --> 00:22:51,665
- Yeah!
330
00:22:56,461 --> 00:22:58,755
We lost a lot of people over there.
331
00:22:58,755 --> 00:23:00,882
People were dying every single day.
332
00:23:02,676 --> 00:23:06,179
I did 21 years.
I did three combat tours in Iraq,
333
00:23:06,179 --> 00:23:08,682
which spanned over 40 months.
334
00:23:09,891 --> 00:23:12,686
At the start of the deployment,
I had hope.
335
00:23:14,271 --> 00:23:18,066
Very shortly, I realized
you abandon your hope.
336
00:23:18,984 --> 00:23:22,362
You realize that death
can come at any moment.
337
00:23:24,823 --> 00:23:27,492
Military experience is extreme.
338
00:23:27,492 --> 00:23:32,038
Terror haunt experience is extreme.
Anything that we do that is extreme,
339
00:23:32,038 --> 00:23:35,542
adrenaline, when it's coursing through us,
I mean, it makes us feel powerful.
340
00:23:35,542 --> 00:23:38,336
A lot of times when people
have had combat experiences,
341
00:23:38,336 --> 00:23:41,464
you cannot get that feeling anywhere else.
342
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,217
- So, it almost gets kind of locked in.
- Mm.
343
00:23:44,217 --> 00:23:47,053
I'm Dr. Lindsay Bira,
clinical health psychologist
344
00:23:47,053 --> 00:23:49,806
and PTSD and trauma specialist.
345
00:23:49,806 --> 00:23:51,892
When somebody has had a trauma
346
00:23:51,892 --> 00:23:54,436
and their nervous system
is a little bit hijacked,
347
00:23:54,436 --> 00:23:56,146
like we see in PTSD,
348
00:23:56,146 --> 00:24:00,442
then it drives them to seek
external sensation to try to regulate.
349
00:24:02,444 --> 00:24:06,531
And for anybody with
anxiety, depression, PTSD,
350
00:24:06,531 --> 00:24:09,367
somebody experiencing
emotional abnormalities,
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00:24:09,367 --> 00:24:13,163
they are more likely to
seek external stimulation.
352
00:24:15,832 --> 00:24:18,585
I'm worried about these
types of experiences
353
00:24:18,585 --> 00:24:20,754
because there's no real structure.
354
00:24:20,754 --> 00:24:23,298
There's no limits.
The limits keep getting pushed.
355
00:24:24,966 --> 00:24:28,386
But, the most important thing
is to be very careful
356
00:24:28,386 --> 00:24:32,349
who is leading an extreme experience.
357
00:24:33,183 --> 00:24:36,645
There can easily be abuse of power,
358
00:24:36,645 --> 00:24:39,856
and we don't know how
far to trust somebody.
359
00:24:45,820 --> 00:24:47,530
He stuck me in his truck.
360
00:24:47,530 --> 00:24:50,492
Hey, everybody. Come on in.
361
00:24:50,492 --> 00:24:53,745
I was blindfolded,
I couldn't see anything,
362
00:24:53,745 --> 00:24:57,791
and off we went to the manor
to begin the tour.
363
00:25:02,337 --> 00:25:05,215
- He puts me into his truck.
364
00:25:05,215 --> 00:25:07,717
He puts earphones on me,
365
00:25:07,717 --> 00:25:11,638
and then I remember
the sounds of babies crying,
366
00:25:11,638 --> 00:25:14,099
- and it's very, very loud.
367
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:18,770
I'm like, "Okay, I've just lost
my sense of hearing."
368
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:22,232
- And then, he starts duct taping my head.
369
00:25:22,232 --> 00:25:25,151
He covers my entire head with duct tape,
370
00:25:25,151 --> 00:25:26,486
that I bought, mind you.
371
00:25:26,486 --> 00:25:29,990
Once they kidnapped us and put us
in the van, that's when I, like,
372
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:31,658
I don't even think I felt anxious.
373
00:25:31,658 --> 00:25:33,994
I think I was in, like,
fight or flight mode,
374
00:25:33,994 --> 00:25:36,538
and I had to fight 'cause there was
nowhere that I could go.
375
00:25:36,538 --> 00:25:38,498
So I was just very focused.
376
00:25:40,083 --> 00:25:42,043
I don't know what to expect.
377
00:25:42,043 --> 00:25:45,213
I knew this was go time, right?
378
00:25:45,213 --> 00:25:48,800
I'm getting what I've been
wanting to do for years.
379
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,927
It's time!
Then, the door swings open.
380
00:25:50,927 --> 00:25:52,429
Come over here.
381
00:25:52,429 --> 00:25:54,681
I was so focused
because he was filming me.
382
00:25:54,681 --> 00:25:57,434
I had camera fright.
383
00:25:57,434 --> 00:26:00,604
This video's live, and so
it was very, very scary.
384
00:26:00,604 --> 00:26:03,356
Fans, what color would
you like her base to be?
385
00:26:03,356 --> 00:26:05,817
You got purple, red, pink, yellow.
386
00:26:05,817 --> 00:26:07,819
He hyped me up, did lives,
387
00:26:07,819 --> 00:26:09,738
and he's reading off the comments.
388
00:26:09,738 --> 00:26:12,407
She's a sport. Guys, she's a sport.
389
00:26:12,407 --> 00:26:16,286
You're gonna be the best one,
you're gonna put on the best show ever.
390
00:26:16,286 --> 00:26:20,165
Hypes it up all the time. Really gets
you going, gets the fans going.
391
00:26:20,165 --> 00:26:24,085
And then, that-that starts to get
into, you know, your ego.
392
00:26:24,085 --> 00:26:25,462
You're like, "Oh, my God,
393
00:26:25,462 --> 00:26:28,548
"I got thousands of people watching me.
I was a nobody,
394
00:26:28,548 --> 00:26:31,301
I-- and now I got people rooting me on?"
395
00:26:31,301 --> 00:26:33,845
And you don't wanna let 'em down.
396
00:26:36,139 --> 00:26:37,766
They pushed us out of the van.
397
00:26:37,766 --> 00:26:40,060
And I think we had to crawl
through, like, chicken wire.
398
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:41,978
They had, like, some maze
through a garage.
399
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:47,901
When we got to the other side,
that's when we met Russ,
400
00:26:47,901 --> 00:26:50,820
and he looked so happy, so excited.
401
00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:53,573
He had a big old flashlight
with a camera on his head.
402
00:26:55,116 --> 00:26:57,744
In the moment,
just the way he's, like, talking about it
403
00:26:57,744 --> 00:27:01,248
and the tone of his voice as he's
talking about it as it's happening.
404
00:27:01,248 --> 00:27:04,793
[on TV] Are you prepared?
Good. This is your one chance.
405
00:27:04,793 --> 00:27:08,088
I'm gonna give you an out.
If you want out, you can get out now.
406
00:27:08,088 --> 00:27:11,007
- Verbalize.
- No, I wanna stay in.
407
00:27:11,007 --> 00:27:13,927
Okay, that's what I like.
Okay, cover her eyes.
408
00:27:28,441 --> 00:27:30,485
It was definitely an endurance test.
409
00:27:40,203 --> 00:27:43,415
Wall climb! Batman time!
Batman time!
410
00:27:44,457 --> 00:27:47,836
There is no EMTs. There are no medics.
411
00:27:47,836 --> 00:27:49,629
What happens if you're in a stunt,
412
00:27:49,629 --> 00:27:53,174
and somethin' happens to him,
and he's hurt? You could be tied up.
413
00:27:53,174 --> 00:27:56,720
Y-You're stuck, nobody's gonna find you.
414
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,014
- Oh! No, you go in there!
415
00:27:59,014 --> 00:28:01,099
- Sit!
416
00:28:02,601 --> 00:28:06,062
Next thing I know, he grabs my chest
and dunks my head under water.
417
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:08,440
And he holds my chest there.
418
00:28:11,776 --> 00:28:13,778
I'm thinking, "If I just hold my breath
419
00:28:13,778 --> 00:28:15,822
"and don't think, stop moving,
420
00:28:15,822 --> 00:28:18,283
he'll eventually pull me back up",
which he does.
421
00:28:18,283 --> 00:28:20,368
And then I start gasping for air again.
422
00:28:20,368 --> 00:28:22,704
And then he does it
five or six more times.
423
00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:28,460
What if this isn't fake?
424
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:30,670
What if I'm really trapped
in this-this freezer now?
425
00:28:30,670 --> 00:28:34,090
Like, and I'm at this guy's house,
I don't know where I'm at location-wise.
426
00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:37,844
- [screams] Let me out!
- [laughs] Louder!
427
00:28:37,844 --> 00:28:41,389
So, that just all happened in my mind,
and I just had a panic attack.
428
00:28:41,389 --> 00:28:43,725
- Let me out!
- You want out?
429
00:28:43,725 --> 00:28:47,229
- Oh, you crying? I think she was crying!
430
00:28:47,229 --> 00:28:49,814
Oh, beautiful tears, yes!
431
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:53,693
- Oh, look at this. Look at the camera.
432
00:28:53,693 --> 00:28:55,278
Look at camera!
433
00:28:56,655 --> 00:28:57,864
I wanna get out.
434
00:28:58,823 --> 00:29:01,910
This is just the beginning.
You understand that, right?
435
00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:04,579
There's so many dark places
you're gonna go tonight.
436
00:29:09,167 --> 00:29:12,128
There's a certain point
where they put us in straitjackets
437
00:29:12,128 --> 00:29:14,756
with chains over our neck,
and I was like, "Oh gosh,
438
00:29:14,756 --> 00:29:16,466
this is uncomfortable and it's heavy."
439
00:29:19,886 --> 00:29:22,847
And then that's when the
water boarding proceeded to happen.
440
00:29:22,847 --> 00:29:24,975
Put your head in there.
441
00:29:35,777 --> 00:29:39,656
I was like, "Oh, this is what
it means to be waterboarded.
442
00:29:39,656 --> 00:29:42,158
I feel like I'm drowning."
443
00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:46,705
So, you're gonna have to be
looking for the big baby bottle.
444
00:29:46,913 --> 00:29:49,124
- Yeah, go.
445
00:29:49,124 --> 00:29:51,543
- Ew... Oh...
- Get on your belly.
446
00:29:51,543 --> 00:29:54,004
- Get on your belly!
447
00:29:54,004 --> 00:29:56,256
I'm terrified of spiders.
Like, to the point
448
00:29:56,256 --> 00:29:59,801
where if I even see one across the room,
I get, like, a rash, and I just get itchy
449
00:29:59,801 --> 00:30:02,345
'cause I just cannot stand them.
And he knew that.
450
00:30:02,345 --> 00:30:04,890
He asked me going in,
like, what my biggest fear was.
451
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:12,731
- [on TV] Shh. Don't make any noise.
452
00:30:12,731 --> 00:30:14,149
Shh...
453
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:15,775
Don't make any quick motion.
454
00:30:15,775 --> 00:30:17,652
Please, no.
455
00:30:17,652 --> 00:30:20,113
They were telling me that
the tarantula was mad,
456
00:30:20,113 --> 00:30:21,573
and I didn't know that, like,
457
00:30:21,573 --> 00:30:23,867
you're not supposed
to handle tarantulas like that.
458
00:30:23,867 --> 00:30:26,161
So he could-- the tarantula,
like, could've gotten mad
459
00:30:26,161 --> 00:30:28,622
and like, at me, and bit me, I guess.
460
00:30:28,622 --> 00:30:31,708
So they were like, "Don't cry.
Quit freaking out, don't cry."
461
00:30:31,708 --> 00:30:33,835
And I was like,
"You have a spider on my face.
462
00:30:33,835 --> 00:30:35,962
How am I not supposed to cry?"
And then he's like,
463
00:30:35,962 --> 00:30:37,255
"We're gonna do it anyway.
464
00:30:37,255 --> 00:30:39,090
So like, if you cry,
you're gonna get hurt."
465
00:30:39,090 --> 00:30:42,052
So like, in the video, I just froze.
I think I just like, stopped breathing,
466
00:30:42,052 --> 00:30:44,429
and I just, like, had an
out of body experience.
467
00:30:44,429 --> 00:30:46,848
Please don't. Please.
468
00:30:46,848 --> 00:30:50,101
Look at her.
Look at her, Mary, look at her.
469
00:30:50,101 --> 00:30:52,479
- Isn't she pretty?
- Please!
470
00:30:52,479 --> 00:30:55,232
- Look at her.
- Please don't.
471
00:30:55,232 --> 00:30:57,359
- Please.
- Oops. Oops.
472
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:59,694
Please don't. Please don't. Please don't!
473
00:30:59,694 --> 00:31:01,863
- Shh...
474
00:31:01,863 --> 00:31:04,532
It was, like, that moment that
it kind of shifted for me.
475
00:31:12,499 --> 00:31:15,043
I think I'd went seven, eight hours.
476
00:31:16,878 --> 00:31:18,755
Find that baby bottle.
477
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:24,344
Alright, guys.
She's doing really good tonight.
478
00:31:24,344 --> 00:31:27,556
But, in that moment,
I'm like the celebrity.
479
00:31:27,556 --> 00:31:29,057
I have this huge fan base.
480
00:31:29,057 --> 00:31:31,560
That was big for me. That was huge.
481
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,646
She's a trooper,
and she wants to continue on, so,
482
00:31:34,646 --> 00:31:37,357
so we're just,
we're doing stuff right now.
483
00:31:37,357 --> 00:31:39,568
You're a rock star.
484
00:31:39,568 --> 00:31:42,070
He closed this cage gate on top of me,
485
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:44,072
and this water was freezing cold.
486
00:31:44,072 --> 00:31:46,241
And he said,
487
00:31:46,241 --> 00:31:49,327
"Okay, I'm gonna start
raising the water level."
488
00:31:49,327 --> 00:31:52,414
When I could start feeling the water rise
and when I remember
489
00:31:52,414 --> 00:31:54,749
I tried to put resistance on the cage,
490
00:31:54,749 --> 00:31:56,877
and I-- it wouldn't budge,
491
00:31:58,044 --> 00:32:00,297
that's when I just, I was like,
I'm done. I'm done.
492
00:32:03,842 --> 00:32:05,802
- Exactly, exactly.
- I ended up quitting.
493
00:32:05,802 --> 00:32:09,222
- You got punished here.
- This is her punishment
494
00:32:09,222 --> 00:32:11,516
for not findin' the baby bottle.
495
00:32:11,516 --> 00:32:14,144
- McKamey Manor just what?
- McKamey Manor just kicked my ass.
496
00:32:14,144 --> 00:32:15,645
- And you quit.
- And I quit.
497
00:32:15,645 --> 00:32:19,190
- I didn't wanna die.
- [crying] I'm done.
498
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:21,109
- Tell me you quit.
- I quit.
499
00:32:21,109 --> 00:32:23,486
I don't wanna be
locked in the dark anymore.
500
00:32:23,486 --> 00:32:25,947
Russ is there the entire time,
recording it.
501
00:32:25,947 --> 00:32:29,451
And the joy and, like, pleasure
502
00:32:29,451 --> 00:32:33,121
that he was getting out of it
was extremely weird.
503
00:32:33,121 --> 00:32:35,290
You could see he was unfazed.
504
00:32:35,290 --> 00:32:39,669
I'm here, bawling, I'm bleeding,
and you're just living your best life,
505
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:42,505
trying to figure out how much
further you could take it.
506
00:32:42,505 --> 00:32:44,799
And I'm just-- that's concerning to me.
507
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,969
But in the moment, I was like,
"Oh, this is Russ, this is the guy.
508
00:32:47,969 --> 00:32:50,430
He has the camera on his head.
Let's do the tour."
509
00:32:50,972 --> 00:32:53,183
Some of these other extreme haunts,
510
00:32:53,183 --> 00:32:57,020
the trust that I've given them
has not been broken.
511
00:32:57,020 --> 00:33:00,982
Even though I'm telling them to push,
even though I'm telling them
512
00:33:00,982 --> 00:33:04,819
to do worse and worse stuff to me,
I think, deep down,
513
00:33:05,528 --> 00:33:07,614
I know that they're not gonna kill me.
514
00:33:07,614 --> 00:33:10,283
You know,
I know they're not gonna cause
515
00:33:10,283 --> 00:33:13,453
permanent physical danger,
516
00:33:13,453 --> 00:33:17,415
but trust was broken with Russ McKamey.
517
00:33:22,295 --> 00:33:24,589
My experience was fucked up,
but I also am aware
518
00:33:24,589 --> 00:33:27,133
that every experience after mine
519
00:33:27,133 --> 00:33:30,679
was a thousand times worse
because I think he did see
520
00:33:30,679 --> 00:33:33,974
that he kind of was able
to keep us for seven hours,
521
00:33:33,974 --> 00:33:37,519
and kind of do whatever he wanted,
and, like, we didn't do anything about it.
522
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,522
We just, like, left and said,
"Thanks so much, have a great time."
523
00:33:40,522 --> 00:33:43,525
So I think for him that was validation.
Like, "Oh, I could do more."
524
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:49,072
Hey, everybody, it's Russ. Coming
at you right here from McKamey Manor.
525
00:33:49,072 --> 00:33:53,618
Never come here.
Don't let-- Don't let anybody
526
00:33:53,618 --> 00:33:55,870
talk you into it or any of that
527
00:33:55,870 --> 00:33:58,665
because it's, um, it's brutal.
528
00:34:06,131 --> 00:34:07,507
The "why."
529
00:34:15,849 --> 00:34:17,809
Everybody's always
gonna wonder the why,
530
00:34:17,809 --> 00:34:21,855
and the why is different for each
and every individual that goes through.
531
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:30,071
My name is DJ Williams.
532
00:34:30,071 --> 00:34:33,158
I'm a full professor at
Idaho State University
533
00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:34,826
in Pocatello, Idaho.
534
00:34:34,826 --> 00:34:38,705
I was given the title Dr. Deviant
from a dominatrix who I mentored under.
535
00:34:40,206 --> 00:34:42,417
And my research covers sort of the range
536
00:34:42,417 --> 00:34:44,628
and spectrum of deviance and leisure,
537
00:34:44,628 --> 00:34:47,088
and that can include
a lot of different things.
538
00:34:47,088 --> 00:34:50,008
That can include criminal activity
as leisure.
539
00:34:50,008 --> 00:34:54,054
It can include BDSM
and sexuality as leisure.
540
00:34:54,930 --> 00:34:58,558
The extreme horror,
extreme experiences phenomenon,
541
00:34:58,558 --> 00:35:01,436
definitely fits within the area
of deviant leisure.
542
00:35:02,729 --> 00:35:04,648
And it's hard for people to understand
543
00:35:04,648 --> 00:35:08,693
someone who is clearly an intense
sensation seeker or risk taker
544
00:35:08,693 --> 00:35:11,529
that those challenges are actual needs.
545
00:35:11,529 --> 00:35:14,950
And so, we need to have a space,
an, an acceptance for people
546
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:17,077
who are craving those kinds of needs.
547
00:35:17,077 --> 00:35:20,205
So, I think it's easy for, sometimes
people to kinda sit back and say,
548
00:35:20,205 --> 00:35:24,125
"Why would somebody do this?
There must be something wrong with them."
549
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:26,670
And that's not the case, necessarily.
550
00:35:29,798 --> 00:35:32,634
I grew up in private Christian school.
551
00:35:32,634 --> 00:35:35,387
I grew up hearing if you lie,
you're gonna go to Hell.
552
00:35:35,387 --> 00:35:37,597
And it wasn't just, like,
you're gonna go to Hell.
553
00:35:37,597 --> 00:35:41,059
It's like, "Your skin is gonna burn off,
and your eyes are gonna melt."
554
00:35:41,059 --> 00:35:42,394
And I'm, like, 5.
555
00:35:43,603 --> 00:35:47,357
I am queer, so being Black-queer
in a space like that,
556
00:35:47,357 --> 00:35:49,651
was really hard to
navigate as, like, a young kid.
557
00:35:49,651 --> 00:35:52,445
It's, like, pro-conversion therapy,
"Let's get that out of you.
558
00:35:52,445 --> 00:35:54,906
This isn't natural.
You're living a life of sin."
559
00:35:54,906 --> 00:35:57,993
So just growing up hearing that,
I didn't even know that it was okay.
560
00:35:57,993 --> 00:35:59,953
I didn't even know what queer was.
561
00:35:59,953 --> 00:36:02,497
I just knew that, like,
I was really different.
562
00:36:02,497 --> 00:36:05,250
I just knew that it was bad and evil.
563
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:08,503
To this day, like, I have anxiety 24/7,
564
00:36:08,503 --> 00:36:10,714
so, like, even right now,
my heart's like... [exhales].
565
00:36:10,714 --> 00:36:13,592
It used to be so bad where
I couldn't go to the grocery store,
566
00:36:13,592 --> 00:36:15,093
I would just like sit in my car
567
00:36:15,093 --> 00:36:17,596
'cause just I felt
too overwhelmed with everything.
568
00:36:17,596 --> 00:36:21,016
So, when I watch a horror film,
I have that same feeling,
569
00:36:21,016 --> 00:36:24,352
but it's safely on my couch,
and it makes sense.
570
00:36:25,437 --> 00:36:28,523
It's like, oh, there's a guy
with a chainsaw on the TV,
571
00:36:28,523 --> 00:36:29,900
like, gonna hurt somebody.
572
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:32,027
There's a reason
to be anxious in this moment.
573
00:36:32,944 --> 00:36:34,738
Which is why I started looking into
574
00:36:34,738 --> 00:36:37,073
the whole immersive horror
experience thing.
575
00:36:37,073 --> 00:36:40,035
So, I was like,
"What if I live through something crazy"
576
00:36:40,035 --> 00:36:43,163
and then I know that I can
do anything going forward.
577
00:36:43,163 --> 00:36:44,623
It reminds me, "Hey,
578
00:36:44,623 --> 00:36:48,293
"I just went through
this series of events,
579
00:36:48,293 --> 00:36:49,586
and I survived."
580
00:36:54,216 --> 00:36:56,843
As a young child,
581
00:36:57,636 --> 00:37:00,430
I dealt with an abusive mother.
582
00:37:01,556 --> 00:37:04,434
Being put into a foster home
at such a young age
583
00:37:04,434 --> 00:37:06,895
was very, very traumatic.
584
00:37:07,646 --> 00:37:11,441
It was scary having to go through
people and people and people,
585
00:37:11,441 --> 00:37:15,528
and tell the same story over
and over again of what happened.
586
00:37:15,528 --> 00:37:17,447
To be one day ripped apart
587
00:37:17,447 --> 00:37:20,116
from everyone you know and everything.
588
00:37:20,116 --> 00:37:23,119
To be told you're taken to a safer place,
589
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:28,041
and the place you're going to
is just full of unknown and uncertainty,
590
00:37:28,041 --> 00:37:31,127
and it just breaks a part of you inside.
591
00:37:32,379 --> 00:37:35,382
I feel like I do these things
to remind myself
592
00:37:35,382 --> 00:37:38,176
that I'm strong, and I'm a survivor,
593
00:37:38,176 --> 00:37:40,720
and I can get through a lot of shit.
594
00:37:43,098 --> 00:37:45,100
A lot of people go through
595
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,227
really traumatic situations,
596
00:37:47,227 --> 00:37:50,814
and they find something to fill this gap.
597
00:37:50,814 --> 00:37:54,859
And I would see the progress of making it
through something that's terrible
598
00:37:54,859 --> 00:37:57,654
and-and using it to the
advantage of yourself.
599
00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:06,663
It sounds like there's a lot of,
kind of pushing, or here's an edge,
600
00:38:06,663 --> 00:38:08,915
but then, "Okay,
I can go beyond that edge.
601
00:38:08,915 --> 00:38:11,459
I just accomplished this.
I guess let's take it further."
602
00:38:11,459 --> 00:38:15,213
Like, I feel like I need--
Like, I need that type of punishment.
603
00:38:15,213 --> 00:38:16,506
Mm-hmm.
604
00:38:16,506 --> 00:38:18,592
Like it's something that--
605
00:38:19,551 --> 00:38:21,678
it's something that I feel like I deserve.
606
00:38:23,597 --> 00:38:26,683
When I got back,
I was a completely different person.
607
00:38:26,683 --> 00:38:29,436
Okay and that was after you came back
from the military, right?
608
00:38:29,436 --> 00:38:31,104
Yes, that was after my
609
00:38:31,104 --> 00:38:32,772
- third tour in Iraq.
- Okay.
610
00:38:32,772 --> 00:38:37,027
I didn't see here as home.
This wasn't home to me anymore.
611
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,822
I think I knew I had PTSD.
612
00:38:40,822 --> 00:38:43,408
I sure as hell didn't think
I had survivor's guilt,
613
00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:46,161
but one of the things I did is,
614
00:38:46,161 --> 00:38:48,580
I started giving away body parts.
615
00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:50,081
I gave my kidney away.
616
00:38:50,081 --> 00:38:53,710
I was also signed up to give
a piece of my liver away.
617
00:38:53,710 --> 00:38:56,713
And I also signed up
for the bone marrow transplant list.
618
00:38:58,548 --> 00:39:00,759
I was gonna give away as much as I could.
619
00:39:02,093 --> 00:39:04,262
I didn't see any purpose anymore.
620
00:39:06,223 --> 00:39:08,600
There's parts of me that
are essentially broken, you know,
621
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,102
and, emotionally, mentally, physically,
what have you.
622
00:39:11,102 --> 00:39:14,356
It's not a bad thing to push the limits
623
00:39:14,356 --> 00:39:17,108
or to, you know, have a very real
human experience
624
00:39:17,108 --> 00:39:19,361
or to explore the edges
of human experience.
625
00:39:19,361 --> 00:39:22,280
I think that's actually an awesome thing.
626
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,867
But, you are desensitizing yourself
to those natural cues,
627
00:39:25,867 --> 00:39:28,954
where your brain and your body
is saying, "This is my limit."
628
00:39:30,247 --> 00:39:31,331
Yeah.
629
00:39:31,331 --> 00:39:34,209
That's something
really good to think about.
630
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:38,213
Well, I mean, I just look
at those ultra-marathon runners, right?
631
00:39:38,213 --> 00:39:42,217
They punish their body.
Their feet are torn to pieces, you know?
632
00:39:42,217 --> 00:39:45,720
It's all in the name of,
you know, self-improvement.
633
00:39:48,181 --> 00:39:50,600
You have big wave surfers,
634
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,062
you have freestyle mountain climbers
who use no safety gear,
635
00:39:54,062 --> 00:39:56,147
deep ocean divers,
636
00:39:56,147 --> 00:39:58,525
and they're constantly pushing that edge.
637
00:39:58,525 --> 00:40:00,485
Why is this any different?
638
00:40:00,485 --> 00:40:03,530
I could never run an ultra marathon.
I know I can't.
639
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:05,699
But, I can, I can get tortured
for 12 hours.
640
00:40:05,699 --> 00:40:07,617
The fun has just begun.
641
00:40:07,617 --> 00:40:11,329
So far, what you've endured
is nothing compared to the last half.
642
00:40:14,624 --> 00:40:18,211
Torture is the intentional infliction
643
00:40:18,211 --> 00:40:22,215
of serious or severe pain
and suffering
644
00:40:22,215 --> 00:40:24,426
- on a person...
645
00:40:24,426 --> 00:40:26,595
...for the purpose of punishment
646
00:40:26,595 --> 00:40:29,139
or to force them to do or say something.
647
00:40:31,308 --> 00:40:32,934
My name is Alka Pradhan.
648
00:40:32,934 --> 00:40:36,104
I'm a human rights attorney
practicing at Guantanamo Bay
649
00:40:36,104 --> 00:40:38,398
and before the International
Criminal Court.
650
00:40:38,398 --> 00:40:41,776
And my expertise is in
working with torture victims.
651
00:40:42,736 --> 00:40:47,365
And in my work at Guantanamo Bay,
I'm employed by the Department of Defense.
652
00:40:47,365 --> 00:40:49,993
And so, nothing I say represents
653
00:40:49,993 --> 00:40:52,370
the opinion of the Department of Defense.
654
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:55,832
And nothing I say should be taken
to confirm or deny any information
655
00:40:55,832 --> 00:40:58,960
that the Department of Defense
considers to be classified.
656
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,006
Personally, I am really repulsed
657
00:41:03,006 --> 00:41:07,052
by the idea of anyone using torture
658
00:41:07,052 --> 00:41:10,347
or acts that simulate torture
659
00:41:10,347 --> 00:41:13,225
in a way that is entertaining.
660
00:41:15,435 --> 00:41:18,396
Nothing about torture is entertaining.
661
00:41:18,396 --> 00:41:21,733
Undergoing torture doesn't
really strengthen you.
662
00:41:21,733 --> 00:41:23,318
If it doesn't kill people,
663
00:41:23,318 --> 00:41:26,279
it affects them for the entirety
of their lives.
664
00:41:27,322 --> 00:41:29,991
The first thing to keep in mind is that
665
00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:34,329
all torture has
psychological effects.
666
00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:38,333
Even if you consent
to some aspect of that,
667
00:41:38,333 --> 00:41:40,752
the fear created in your mind,
668
00:41:41,878 --> 00:41:45,340
what psychologists often call
"uncontrollable stress,"
669
00:41:46,091 --> 00:41:48,385
can literally change your neural pathways.
670
00:41:48,385 --> 00:41:51,638
And it's something that is
almost impossible to remove.
671
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,894
So, did-did you expect
all that after, you know?
672
00:41:57,894 --> 00:42:01,231
Well, I expected it to be rough,
but I didn't expect to actually cry.
673
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,113
- Yeah, you did cry.
- Yeah, like five times.
674
00:42:11,283 --> 00:42:14,828
Russ posted my video on YouTube,
and it went super viral.
675
00:42:20,792 --> 00:42:22,961
A few months after going through it,
676
00:42:22,961 --> 00:42:25,380
I, so bad, just wanted to be involved
677
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:27,382
with, like, anything to do with horror.
678
00:42:27,382 --> 00:42:30,468
Whether it was, like, acting
or, like, writing or anything.
679
00:42:31,469 --> 00:42:33,138
And Russ saw that.
680
00:42:34,055 --> 00:42:37,684
And I ended up running his Facebook group,
I was running his YouTube channel,
681
00:42:37,684 --> 00:42:40,353
I was running his Twitter.
I was like his little assistant.
682
00:42:40,353 --> 00:42:43,106
Get people into the haunt, hype it up.
683
00:42:43,106 --> 00:42:45,317
If people were talking
negatively about it,
684
00:42:45,317 --> 00:42:47,319
I was supposed to, like, undercut them.
685
00:42:47,319 --> 00:42:50,238
Be like, "No, like, I've met Russ.
He's, like, such a great guy."
686
00:42:50,238 --> 00:42:53,450
So, I was just supposed to
be his, like, wingman.
687
00:42:54,701 --> 00:42:57,954
But then, I started to
get some weird feelings.
688
00:42:57,954 --> 00:42:59,789
Um,
689
00:42:59,789 --> 00:43:03,335
I'm just gonna keep this short.
It's actually hard to talk.
690
00:43:03,335 --> 00:43:07,380
As you can see,
my lips are severely swollen.
691
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:09,674
He likes men that have
been in the military.
692
00:43:09,674 --> 00:43:13,511
I think Russ really got off
on, like, the power dynamic with the men.
693
00:43:16,056 --> 00:43:18,141
There are some tours where
694
00:43:18,141 --> 00:43:21,478
the way that they were
beat up was just too-- like, too far.
695
00:43:21,478 --> 00:43:24,105
Like, broken ribs, concussions,
696
00:43:24,105 --> 00:43:26,441
like, eyes so swollen that
they can't even open 'em.
697
00:43:29,152 --> 00:43:30,654
And I think for him, it's power.
698
00:43:30,654 --> 00:43:33,448
Like, "This guy was in the Marines?
Like, look at me kicking his ass."
699
00:43:38,078 --> 00:43:41,373
- And then, like, vulnerable women.
- No, Russ, that water freaks me out.
700
00:43:41,373 --> 00:43:43,625
- You know that! I hate--
701
00:43:43,625 --> 00:43:45,752
Please! Please, don't!
702
00:43:45,752 --> 00:43:48,672
Russ feels that if you go
through one of his experiences,
703
00:43:48,672 --> 00:43:52,092
especially if you're female,
you now have a special bond with Russ.
704
00:43:52,092 --> 00:43:55,595
He really only wanted, like, pretty girls.
705
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:59,599
No. No! No.
706
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:01,268
Honey, be quiet.
707
00:44:03,603 --> 00:44:07,649
You knew when he had a new girlfriend
because it was nonstop shows.
708
00:44:07,649 --> 00:44:10,277
He would have them come to his house,
709
00:44:10,277 --> 00:44:12,445
and he would just make them
710
00:44:12,445 --> 00:44:14,948
continuously go through a tour
711
00:44:14,948 --> 00:44:16,741
every day that they were with him.
712
00:44:19,452 --> 00:44:22,455
- For some reasons, he feels like
713
00:44:22,455 --> 00:44:24,749
with these women he can go an extra step,
714
00:44:24,749 --> 00:44:28,336
and that safety harness just
gets removed a little more.
715
00:44:28,336 --> 00:44:31,798
Things like laying in the grass
with a ski mask on my face,
716
00:44:31,798 --> 00:44:33,967
getting sprayed with water over and over,
717
00:44:33,967 --> 00:44:37,137
or submerging into cold water
over and over.
718
00:44:37,137 --> 00:44:38,930
And in one particular activity,
719
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:41,766
I confessed that I was
actually afraid of dying.
720
00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:44,895
And he laughed and said that if I died,
721
00:44:44,895 --> 00:44:46,521
at least I would be on camera.
722
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,650
These are really good-looking women.
723
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:52,861
And you got this guy
who lives in a trailer
724
00:44:52,861 --> 00:44:54,946
that sprays you in the face with a hose.
725
00:44:54,946 --> 00:44:58,783
What is he doing to keep 'em to stay?
726
00:44:59,367 --> 00:45:01,328
- I don't know.
- I like that.
727
00:45:01,328 --> 00:45:04,414
- There she is!
728
00:45:04,414 --> 00:45:07,500
There she is! The pretty one right there.
729
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,753
McKamey Manor was "Tinder" to him.
730
00:45:09,753 --> 00:45:11,171
Was his "Plenty of Fish."
731
00:45:11,171 --> 00:45:14,257
That's what he used it for.
That's the impression that I got.
732
00:45:14,257 --> 00:45:16,426
You can do this.
Put your head up, please.
733
00:45:17,886 --> 00:45:20,055
You got this, okay? You got it.
734
00:45:20,055 --> 00:45:24,059
He was my friend. Like, I don't want
to think that he would actually
735
00:45:24,059 --> 00:45:27,729
purposely manipulate
these women, but he does.
736
00:45:27,729 --> 00:45:30,315
Show 'em what you got in your mouth.
737
00:45:30,315 --> 00:45:32,984
- Ah, ah, ah!
- That's right.
738
00:45:32,984 --> 00:45:35,862
- Come here, and you can wear that, too.
- Yep!
739
00:45:35,862 --> 00:45:38,031
He knows how to get into people's heads,
740
00:45:38,031 --> 00:45:42,118
he knows the right thing to say,
he can read a person really good.
741
00:45:42,535 --> 00:45:45,247
I've seen Russ talk to a person
742
00:45:45,247 --> 00:45:48,458
that hates everything about the haunt,
743
00:45:48,458 --> 00:45:50,710
and turn them into a friend by the end
744
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:52,212
and wanting to sign up.
745
00:45:52,212 --> 00:45:55,090
He-He is so good at what he does.
746
00:45:55,090 --> 00:45:58,009
Yeah, I'm that big crazy
haunted house guy! That's me!
747
00:45:58,009 --> 00:46:00,929
- Are you scared of me?
748
00:46:00,929 --> 00:46:02,597
I'm pretty scary, aren't I?
749
00:46:05,892 --> 00:46:08,562
You know, he would try
to manipulate me, too.
750
00:46:13,233 --> 00:46:15,026
When I went through,
751
00:46:16,027 --> 00:46:19,990
Russ had me sit back in, like, a trough.
752
00:46:22,284 --> 00:46:25,036
- Yeah. You like that?
- No.
753
00:46:26,121 --> 00:46:30,375
We're gonna fill up this entire
little device right here.
754
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:34,629
And we're gonna have a good time, Kris.
755
00:46:34,629 --> 00:46:36,298
- Oh, yeah.
756
00:46:36,298 --> 00:46:40,802
When I started to realize that I was
having the dirt poured over my face...
757
00:46:40,802 --> 00:46:43,930
- No, no, no, no, no.
758
00:46:43,930 --> 00:46:45,724
- How's that feel?
759
00:46:45,724 --> 00:46:46,808
No, no, no, no.
760
00:46:46,808 --> 00:46:49,227
...and then you're thinking,
"Russ is my friend."
761
00:46:49,227 --> 00:46:52,355
You know, "He's-He's just gonna make
it look good for the camera."
762
00:46:53,064 --> 00:46:54,566
But then, he didn't stop.
763
00:46:54,566 --> 00:46:56,985
- No, no, no, no, no...
- Who's your friend?
764
00:46:56,985 --> 00:46:58,904
- Quiet, shut up. Shut up.
765
00:46:58,904 --> 00:47:00,572
And I can't even tell you
766
00:47:00,572 --> 00:47:03,575
the amount of times in that video
that I said "Stop."
767
00:47:03,575 --> 00:47:05,911
- We're gonna bury you completely.
768
00:47:05,911 --> 00:47:08,288
Mm-mm. No,
I can't do it. Can't do it.
769
00:47:08,288 --> 00:47:10,665
- No, I can't do it.
- You gotta be quiet.
770
00:47:10,665 --> 00:47:12,792
- Be quiet!
- No, I'm freaking out.
771
00:47:12,792 --> 00:47:15,086
- You're not freaking out.
- [spits] No!
772
00:47:15,086 --> 00:47:17,547
I was done. Game over.
773
00:47:17,547 --> 00:47:20,759
And it just kept going
and going and going.
774
00:47:20,759 --> 00:47:23,803
And in that moment,
I didn't know if it was gonna stop.
775
00:47:23,803 --> 00:47:26,014
We have hours
and hours to go, Kris.
776
00:47:26,014 --> 00:47:27,891
No, no, no. Russ, no.
777
00:47:27,891 --> 00:47:29,809
- No more, no more.
- You're fine.
778
00:47:29,809 --> 00:47:31,770
- Be quiet.
- I quit, I quit.
779
00:47:31,770 --> 00:47:33,647
You don't quit.
There is no quitting.
780
00:47:33,647 --> 00:47:35,732
- [spits] No.
- There is no quitting, Kris.
781
00:47:35,732 --> 00:47:38,276
I-I started to question,
"Is this the end?"
782
00:47:38,276 --> 00:47:39,653
I-I can't get out of this.
783
00:47:39,653 --> 00:47:42,948
I was stuck in a spot that
I was not moving from.
784
00:47:42,948 --> 00:47:45,533
I wanna bury you completely. Completely.
785
00:47:45,533 --> 00:47:48,161
No, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.
786
00:47:48,161 --> 00:47:50,705
- Russ, I can't. Russ, I can't.
787
00:47:50,705 --> 00:47:53,667
- I quit. Russ, I quit. I can't.
- There's no quitting.
788
00:47:53,667 --> 00:47:56,086
- Russ, I--
- Ooh there!
789
00:47:56,086 --> 00:47:59,756
That doubt starts to seep into your head,
and you're thinkin',
790
00:47:59,756 --> 00:48:02,425
"I didn't say goodbye to people.
Why did I come here?
791
00:48:02,425 --> 00:48:04,636
"Why did I go against that
better judgment?
792
00:48:04,636 --> 00:48:08,682
Am I finally gonna be the one
that the line is crossed for?"
793
00:48:10,767 --> 00:48:12,394
You really don't wanna do this.
794
00:48:15,105 --> 00:48:18,024
So tell the folks about
whether they should come here or not.
795
00:48:18,024 --> 00:48:20,318
No, don't go.
Don't come here. Don't sign up.
796
00:48:20,318 --> 00:48:23,238
Yeah, sign up. It's fun.
Come on down. Good times for everybody.
797
00:48:23,238 --> 00:48:25,198
- No, it's not.
- Yes, it is!
798
00:48:36,877 --> 00:48:40,005
You know, what I really enjoy
is making my little movies.
799
00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:44,551
So, in a way,
I'm a little filmmaker as well.
800
00:48:55,604 --> 00:49:00,734
He works on those videos,
it seems like 24/7.
801
00:49:00,734 --> 00:49:04,779
And so, I constantly hear
screaming all night long.
802
00:49:07,198 --> 00:49:10,201
People tell me this is fake.
Is this fake right now?
803
00:49:10,201 --> 00:49:13,496
- No, sir, it's not fake.
804
00:49:13,496 --> 00:49:16,374
If you ever question
if we're real or not,
805
00:49:16,374 --> 00:49:18,793
just watch the movies
806
00:49:18,793 --> 00:49:20,921
and watch how these people end up.
807
00:49:20,921 --> 00:49:23,215
I quit! I quit! I quit! I quit!
808
00:49:24,341 --> 00:49:27,969
You'll see individuals
literally in shock.
809
00:49:27,969 --> 00:49:30,555
I can't do it,
I can't do it, I can't do it.
810
00:49:30,555 --> 00:49:32,891
You'll see them
mumbling to themselves,
811
00:49:32,891 --> 00:49:36,186
not knowing what date it is,
not knowing who the president is.
812
00:49:36,186 --> 00:49:39,022
[on TV] Who's our first president?
Quick, hurry up.
813
00:49:39,022 --> 00:49:41,316
- I don't know!
814
00:49:42,442 --> 00:49:45,987
That camera. When that camera's in front,
your limits are gone.
815
00:49:45,987 --> 00:49:48,198
- Put your head down.
- Anything that you sign,
816
00:49:48,198 --> 00:49:50,033
thinkin' that you were getting into
817
00:49:50,033 --> 00:49:52,869
and those were the rules
that were set in place,
818
00:49:52,869 --> 00:49:56,915
they don't exist.
He wants that Kodak moment.
819
00:49:56,915 --> 00:50:01,211
He wants to be able to see that true fear,
when that person thinks,
820
00:50:01,211 --> 00:50:04,130
"I'm gonna be the first person
to die at McKamey Manor."
821
00:50:12,180 --> 00:50:13,807
So,
822
00:50:13,807 --> 00:50:15,475
it was a person,
823
00:50:15,475 --> 00:50:18,562
they sent me photos I hadn't seen.
824
00:50:19,854 --> 00:50:22,732
And it was the photos of Lori.
825
00:50:26,903 --> 00:50:30,865
I'm seein' this girl that was just beaten,
like a gang initiation.
826
00:50:33,660 --> 00:50:36,621
And that's when I said,
"Why did you let that go?"
827
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:39,291
And the answer I got was,
828
00:50:39,291 --> 00:50:42,335
"You'd be surprised what you would do
to get the right shot."
829
00:50:44,254 --> 00:50:47,924
When I saw these pictures of Lori,
I-I couldn't do it anymore.
830
00:51:00,061 --> 00:51:02,272
- [on TV] No?
- [on TV] I hate it.
831
00:51:03,106 --> 00:51:04,941
You hate it? Well,
832
00:51:04,941 --> 00:51:07,360
- hold still, my dear.
- No!
833
00:51:11,281 --> 00:51:13,783
Oh... God.
834
00:51:13,783 --> 00:51:16,661
- And just for safe--
835
00:51:16,661 --> 00:51:19,164
Don't cry, you're still beautiful.
836
00:51:21,291 --> 00:51:24,085
Gosh. I had no idea what
I was getting myself into.
837
00:51:27,005 --> 00:51:29,216
I don't know how
he's able to legally do this
838
00:51:29,216 --> 00:51:31,218
because I don't feel like it's legal.
839
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:38,683
Yeah, absolutely. I--
Whenever he's physically abusing
840
00:51:38,683 --> 00:51:40,977
the females who he entraps in his house.
841
00:51:40,977 --> 00:51:42,520
How far can we take it?
842
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,522
I don't think I could legally sue him.
843
00:51:44,522 --> 00:51:47,067
We signed agreements.
We're consenting adults.
844
00:51:54,866 --> 00:51:57,118
I don't think there was ever a time
where I was like, I don't--
845
00:51:57,118 --> 00:51:59,246
Maybe the spider. But,
846
00:51:59,246 --> 00:52:01,706
I don't think I made it clear
with anything else
847
00:52:01,706 --> 00:52:03,541
that I was, like, not consenting.
848
00:52:03,541 --> 00:52:05,669
I didn't really feel like I
could say that, though,
849
00:52:05,669 --> 00:52:07,087
'cause I signed the waiver.
850
00:52:07,087 --> 00:52:10,674
So I think signing the waiver, I just felt
like, I was obligated to stay in it.
851
00:52:12,926 --> 00:52:15,387
We all agreed to it.
852
00:52:29,484 --> 00:52:31,611
There may be an element of shame
853
00:52:31,611 --> 00:52:34,990
in the fact that you signed up
for this experience, um,
854
00:52:34,990 --> 00:52:37,784
and this sense that you kind of
brought it on yourself.
855
00:52:37,784 --> 00:52:41,496
But, under the law, even if
they have signed a waiver,
856
00:52:42,664 --> 00:52:46,167
they may still have recourse
for what was done to them.
857
00:52:49,212 --> 00:52:51,256
We tend to be pretty liberal
in the United States
858
00:52:51,256 --> 00:52:52,966
about what you can consent to.
859
00:52:55,260 --> 00:52:57,929
It is certainly possible when you attend,
for example,
860
00:52:57,929 --> 00:53:01,308
a haunted house,
to consent to certain acts
861
00:53:01,308 --> 00:53:05,228
that may cause fear
or that may even touch you
862
00:53:05,228 --> 00:53:09,232
in what would otherwise be considered
offensive contact or battery.
863
00:53:12,611 --> 00:53:16,615
But, the line is drawn
when something constitutes
864
00:53:16,615 --> 00:53:18,116
serious bodily injury.
865
00:53:18,116 --> 00:53:20,577
Examples of that would be
866
00:53:20,577 --> 00:53:22,412
traumatic brain injuries,
867
00:53:22,412 --> 00:53:23,997
fractures,
868
00:53:23,997 --> 00:53:25,415
back injuries,
869
00:53:25,415 --> 00:53:29,085
and psychological injuries
that require prolonged treatment.
870
00:53:29,085 --> 00:53:34,257
So, it is simply not possible
for someone to say,
871
00:53:34,257 --> 00:53:38,803
"Yes, I am okay with permanent physical
or psychological damage.
872
00:53:39,971 --> 00:53:42,057
Even if they say that,
873
00:53:42,057 --> 00:53:45,143
under the law, that cannot be valid.
874
00:53:45,769 --> 00:53:49,606
But, the other aspect of it
is that it's a violation of your consent.
875
00:53:49,606 --> 00:53:52,192
If, for example, your mouth is covered,
876
00:53:52,192 --> 00:53:53,902
so you cannot say the safe word,
877
00:53:53,902 --> 00:53:56,738
or the circumstances in that situation
878
00:53:56,738 --> 00:54:00,158
are such that you really
couldn't reasonably be expected
879
00:54:00,158 --> 00:54:02,702
to remember or be able
to say a safe word,
880
00:54:02,702 --> 00:54:07,207
but are acting in other ways that make it
very clear that you've withdrawn consent.
881
00:54:07,207 --> 00:54:10,126
Please, sir,
I don't wanna do this anymore, sir!
882
00:54:10,126 --> 00:54:12,837
Then, I think the proprietor
may have a real problem.
883
00:54:25,684 --> 00:54:28,395
I would love to see
the manor just go away.
884
00:54:28,937 --> 00:54:31,940
I would love to sit down
with everybody that's done it
885
00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:34,818
and just kind of band together and
figure out how we can make change
886
00:54:34,818 --> 00:54:36,361
and, like, stop him.
887
00:54:36,361 --> 00:54:39,114
And even if jail isn't where
he ends up, that's fine.
888
00:54:39,114 --> 00:54:41,366
Like, he just shouldn't
be doing what he's doing.
889
00:54:42,617 --> 00:54:46,371
Once the fans are able
to see Russ in his true form,
890
00:54:47,956 --> 00:54:49,583
I'm hoping the following's gone.
891
00:54:49,583 --> 00:54:52,210
And when the following's gone,
the manor's gone.
892
00:54:52,210 --> 00:54:55,297
- The way that you stop him
893
00:54:56,089 --> 00:55:00,010
is to make sure the truth
is actually known.
894
00:55:06,474 --> 00:55:08,143
I wanted to do something.
895
00:55:08,143 --> 00:55:09,936
But I didn't know what kind of trouble
896
00:55:09,936 --> 00:55:12,898
I was gonna get into
from getting into somebody's emails.
897
00:55:18,111 --> 00:55:19,487
Definitely.
898
00:55:24,409 --> 00:55:26,202
It's gonna be worth it in the end.
899
00:55:30,206 --> 00:55:32,876
One day, I was bored.
I was looking up on the internet,
900
00:55:32,876 --> 00:55:36,213
"Haunted houses that pay you
for going through them."
901
00:55:36,213 --> 00:55:39,007
And I seen this haunted house
will give you $20,000
902
00:55:39,007 --> 00:55:40,967
if you make it through it.
903
00:55:40,967 --> 00:55:43,094
I just got married, I had an apartment,
904
00:55:43,094 --> 00:55:45,972
and, um, I was like, "Man,
$20,000 is a lot of money."
905
00:55:45,972 --> 00:55:48,225
So, I could use that, and there's no way
906
00:55:48,225 --> 00:55:49,976
I was not gonna get that $20,000.
907
00:55:49,976 --> 00:55:52,270
- His hands are shaking.
- Oh, I know.
908
00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:53,563
- He is shaking, isn't he?
- Oh, yeah.
909
00:55:53,563 --> 00:55:56,650
- Pop 'em one, Russ.
910
00:55:57,567 --> 00:56:00,070
Come on. Follow my voice, let's go.
911
00:56:04,032 --> 00:56:07,160
- I'm suggesting you quit.
- Never.
912
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,997
- Never. Never? He says never!
- I was arguing with him back.
913
00:56:10,997 --> 00:56:13,792
Like, I wasn't bein' passive.
I wasn't bein' submissive to him.
914
00:56:13,792 --> 00:56:15,460
And I think that's what
really got him mad.
915
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:18,296
- Sleep first, then you can do it.
- For the easiest--
916
00:56:18,296 --> 00:56:20,423
I don't fall for that crap. Just sleep.
917
00:56:20,423 --> 00:56:24,094
- Okay, y-you need to be quiet.
- No, I don't, dude. What a joke--
918
00:56:24,094 --> 00:56:26,346
- You want a joke, huh?
919
00:56:26,346 --> 00:56:28,974
- You know what? You're done.
- Don't even do it, dude. No.
920
00:56:28,974 --> 00:56:30,976
- Get the hell off me.
- Keep that camera on.
921
00:56:30,976 --> 00:56:34,938
This is what we're seeing right now.
You're out of it right now. You're done.
922
00:56:34,938 --> 00:56:37,190
I thought there was gonna be $20,000.
923
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:40,193
I thought there was gonna be a haunt.
I wasted all my money
924
00:56:40,193 --> 00:56:42,862
and my work days and all that
going there, just to get humiliated.
925
00:56:42,862 --> 00:56:44,990
What a freak show that was, right?
926
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:46,866
At that point I wasn't even mad
about the money anymore,
927
00:56:46,866 --> 00:56:47,951
it was just the embarrassment.
928
00:56:52,706 --> 00:56:56,001
So, I started a Facebook page called,
"McKamey Manor Exposed."
929
00:56:59,045 --> 00:57:01,673
I wanted it to be a place
where people could actually come,
930
00:57:01,673 --> 00:57:04,926
say what they need to say
without having to worry about threats.
931
00:57:10,181 --> 00:57:13,935
The biggest thing we found, though,
was we actually got into Russ's emails.
932
00:57:16,021 --> 00:57:19,608
Russ has a very old email service,
and that's where he messed up.
933
00:57:20,233 --> 00:57:23,153
The company that Russ has for the email
has a phone number.
934
00:57:23,153 --> 00:57:26,156
So, I called them, and I was like,
"Hey, yeah, I my password."
935
00:57:26,907 --> 00:57:30,201
So, they says, "Okay, what's your name?"
"Russ McKamey."
936
00:57:30,201 --> 00:57:32,913
He's like, "Okay, when's the last time
you were on your email?"
937
00:57:32,913 --> 00:57:34,706
And I was like, you know,
I'm gonna make a good guess.
938
00:57:34,706 --> 00:57:35,916
I'll say, "Oh it was yesterday."
939
00:57:35,916 --> 00:57:37,542
She's like, "Oh, alright.
Yeah, that was correct."
940
00:57:37,542 --> 00:57:39,836
I changed the password
for my email address,
941
00:57:39,836 --> 00:57:42,672
and then I locked him out.
We hit the jackpot.
942
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:52,224
From his email, we found that
he wasn't paying his taxes on his barn.
943
00:57:53,767 --> 00:57:56,353
And Russ wrote this email
back to the tax guy saying,
944
00:57:56,353 --> 00:57:59,022
"This manor is fake.
Everything I'm saying is fake."
945
00:57:59,022 --> 00:58:02,734
"Russ, I talked to my lawyer today."
I got Russ here with his tax problems.
946
00:58:02,734 --> 00:58:06,321
This is from Russ's son:
"You absolutely disgust me."
947
00:58:09,532 --> 00:58:13,411
This guy's really obsessed and, like,
really going after his girlfriend.
948
00:58:13,411 --> 00:58:15,997
"What you did was
absolutely unacceptable."
949
00:58:15,997 --> 00:58:19,042
So I took those emails,
I took screenshots, and I showed those.
950
00:58:19,042 --> 00:58:21,419
Here's the proof right here.
This is, like, something
951
00:58:21,419 --> 00:58:25,298
you're never gonna see anywhere else.
I put everything on my Facebook page,
952
00:58:25,298 --> 00:58:27,509
And I was like,
"You guys gotta tell your stories."
953
00:58:31,304 --> 00:58:32,973
All these other groups popped up.
954
00:58:35,058 --> 00:58:37,727
People started posting stuff online
955
00:58:37,727 --> 00:58:40,188
that Russ definitely
didn't want anybody to see.
956
00:58:40,647 --> 00:58:44,484
Guys, he will stuff you in a freezer
full of water upside down until you tap.
957
00:58:44,484 --> 00:58:48,238
He got his claws so onto my brain.
958
00:58:48,697 --> 00:58:51,783
Once I got away from it, I was like,
I'm just gonna expose him.
959
00:58:51,783 --> 00:58:54,244
This is where
he's reading over the waiver.
960
00:58:55,662 --> 00:58:58,039
So, I posted the reaction videos
on YouTube.
961
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,458
I was very surprised at
how many people saw it.
962
00:59:00,458 --> 00:59:05,005
I was in water, and I had, like,
this much air to breathe.
963
00:59:05,005 --> 00:59:08,300
Fast forward to now, it's, like,
two-point-something million views.
964
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:12,512
There's so much drama
in these online communities, right?
965
00:59:12,512 --> 00:59:15,849
It's the McKamey Manor
Facebook group people
966
00:59:15,849 --> 00:59:16,933
fighting these people,
967
00:59:16,933 --> 00:59:18,810
and then those people are
fighting against these people.
968
00:59:22,397 --> 00:59:24,524
If you go on his Facebook page,
969
00:59:24,524 --> 00:59:26,234
it's a straight-up cult.
970
00:59:26,234 --> 00:59:28,570
They are obsessed with him.
Like, they don't care.
971
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:32,115
Russ could say the sky is green,
and they'll say, "Yes, sir, it is green."
972
00:59:33,366 --> 00:59:35,869
They will go after the people
973
00:59:35,869 --> 00:59:38,288
who they perceive as one of their enemies
974
00:59:38,288 --> 00:59:41,082
or one of their haters
with everything that they have.
975
00:59:43,501 --> 00:59:45,670
He would send people to the haters.
976
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:49,132
He called everyone a hater
that didn't agree with what he was doing,
977
00:59:49,132 --> 00:59:52,928
and he basically encouraged them to, like,
bully, destroy someone on the internet.
978
00:59:53,845 --> 00:59:57,015
I just got jumped on by all these people
from Russ or whatever,
979
00:59:57,015 --> 00:59:58,850
and they just tore me apart.
980
00:59:59,351 --> 01:00:02,312
One guy text me a picture
of where I work at.
981
01:00:02,312 --> 01:00:04,272
"You're gonna get a call from us," and,
982
01:00:04,272 --> 01:00:06,858
you know, "See your online activities
of what you're doin'."
983
01:00:06,858 --> 01:00:09,236
It's not Russ doin' this.
It's his followers.
984
01:00:09,236 --> 01:00:12,906
People started showing
personal pictures of me on the internet.
985
01:00:12,906 --> 01:00:16,576
Then went to phone numbers,
then went to addresses.
986
01:00:16,576 --> 01:00:20,497
I would get anonymous emails
that were saying some godawful things.
987
01:00:20,497 --> 01:00:23,416
Those are all hate groups.
Those aren't the real deal.
988
01:00:26,461 --> 01:00:29,923
He was very much like
cult leader man.
989
01:00:29,923 --> 01:00:32,801
Like, "Listen to what I'm saying.
This is what's good for you.
990
01:00:32,801 --> 01:00:35,053
"This is what
a haunted house experience is.
991
01:00:35,053 --> 01:00:37,389
"If anyone tells you otherwise,
they're wrong.
992
01:00:37,389 --> 01:00:39,099
"And if you believe that, you're stupid.
993
01:00:39,391 --> 01:00:41,476
"If you're not with me,
you're against me.
994
01:00:41,476 --> 01:00:43,395
And I will make your life
a living hell."
995
01:00:45,522 --> 01:00:49,192
I started asking questions,
and that's what Russ does not want.
996
01:00:49,192 --> 01:00:51,653
That dude is a psychopath!
997
01:00:51,653 --> 01:00:56,032
- I don't even know why you would do it.
998
01:00:56,032 --> 01:00:58,785
There's a whole big group of people,
999
01:00:58,785 --> 01:01:00,996
and all they're trying
to do is expose him.
1000
01:01:01,663 --> 01:01:05,041
Russ McKamey and the actors
have done some things
1001
01:01:05,041 --> 01:01:07,043
that we need-- they need to answer for.
1002
01:01:07,043 --> 01:01:10,338
Reason he's not in jail is because
technically no one has been un-alived yet.
1003
01:01:10,338 --> 01:01:13,633
Russ actually owes hundreds
of thousands of dollars in taxes.
1004
01:01:13,633 --> 01:01:18,847
Some neighbors actually even called 911,
thinking that there had been an abduction.
1005
01:01:19,097 --> 01:01:21,516
The town
turned against McKamey Manor.
1006
01:01:21,516 --> 01:01:24,561
There's already
a national movement against Russ.
1007
01:01:24,561 --> 01:01:28,064
We need to keep fighting the good fight
and, uh, doin' what we're doin'.
1008
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:30,567
More than 13,000...
1009
01:01:30,567 --> 01:01:32,986
- 18,000...
- 56,000 people.
1010
01:01:32,986 --> 01:01:36,948
...signing a Change.org petition
to have McKamey Manor closed.
1011
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:40,660
The petitions were comin'.
1012
01:01:40,660 --> 01:01:42,954
Continuing to get more signatures.
1013
01:01:45,916 --> 01:01:48,710
Now, you got the media's attention.
1014
01:01:49,169 --> 01:01:52,005
You are getting reporters
wanting to show up on site.
1015
01:01:52,005 --> 01:01:55,300
When you're running this big charade
1016
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:57,761
of a haunt that's supposedly there,
1017
01:01:58,637 --> 01:02:00,597
how do you not show them that stuff?
1018
01:02:01,348 --> 01:02:04,726
So, Russ ran with the petitions
to shut down
1019
01:02:05,143 --> 01:02:08,688
and said, "Oh, they got the best of us.
The Manor's down."
1020
01:02:15,445 --> 01:02:17,697
Right now, we're dismantling the manor.
1021
01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:21,868
He literally packed up very quickly
1022
01:02:21,868 --> 01:02:24,371
and booked it across
the country somewhere else.
1023
01:02:31,253 --> 01:02:33,964
Russ is working. He works at Walmart.
1024
01:02:36,049 --> 01:02:38,051
I think he was just doing it
1025
01:02:38,051 --> 01:02:40,011
because there was a lull
1026
01:02:40,011 --> 01:02:42,556
at getting people to the manor.
1027
01:02:42,556 --> 01:02:47,394
Russ, the guy that had McKamey Manor,
has moved to around here
1028
01:02:47,394 --> 01:02:49,980
where I live the last couple years.
1029
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:52,566
Well, I just found out on Facebook
that apparently,
1030
01:02:52,566 --> 01:02:54,901
he works at Walmart
in the Garden Center.
1031
01:02:54,901 --> 01:02:58,280
Wait, you stay.
If I need you, holler for back up.
1032
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,324
This is where this man
has decided to relocate.
1033
01:03:01,741 --> 01:03:03,451
- How are you?
- Hey, how you doing?
1034
01:03:03,451 --> 01:03:04,744
Want a bag, miss?
1035
01:03:09,374 --> 01:03:11,710
Y'all, that was fucking him,
1036
01:03:11,710 --> 01:03:14,254
and it just checked me out.
I'm shaking.
1037
01:03:14,254 --> 01:03:16,339
I didn't-- I thought I was gonna
be all confrontational,
1038
01:03:16,339 --> 01:03:18,258
and I thought I was gonna, like, say this,
1039
01:03:18,258 --> 01:03:19,801
but it's like when you're in the fucking--
1040
01:03:19,801 --> 01:03:22,679
When you're actually
in the presence of a sociopath,
1041
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:25,015
and you know it,
1042
01:03:25,015 --> 01:03:27,142
bro, you lose all that confidence.
1043
01:03:27,142 --> 01:03:31,563
Oh, my God, I'm literally shaking.
1044
01:03:37,485 --> 01:03:40,488
There's three types of Russ
that you should know.
1045
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:44,910
There is the fun-loving Russ
that the followers love.
1046
01:03:44,910 --> 01:03:47,245
- That's a front.
- Help.
1047
01:03:47,245 --> 01:03:49,915
You have the scary Russ
who's going through the show
1048
01:03:49,915 --> 01:03:51,708
you're dealing with.
That's a front.
1049
01:03:51,875 --> 01:03:54,544
And then, you have the real Russ.
1050
01:03:55,962 --> 01:03:59,841
He has so much wrong going on in his head,
1051
01:03:59,841 --> 01:04:03,011
and-and it comes out in the haunt.
1052
01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:09,809
You know, it's no joke in here.
I mean, people think that,
1053
01:04:09,809 --> 01:04:11,603
well, you know, it's a home haunt.
1054
01:04:11,603 --> 01:04:14,189
But, I'm telling ya. It's scary.
1055
01:04:15,315 --> 01:04:17,317
Russ needs to get help,
1056
01:04:18,902 --> 01:04:21,029
or he's gonna keep going
till it's too far.
1057
01:04:32,290 --> 01:04:33,792
I'm back.
1058
01:04:35,001 --> 01:04:37,629
♪ I'm back, I'm back, I'm back ♪
1059
01:04:37,629 --> 01:04:41,299
♪ Anybody there? Anybody there? ♪
1060
01:04:46,513 --> 01:04:49,391
- You better start begging right now!
- I'm begging right now.
1061
01:04:49,391 --> 01:04:51,226
I don't-- I don't wanna go anymore.
I'm done.
1062
01:04:52,185 --> 01:04:54,980
Russ is not quitting. He kept it going.
1063
01:04:55,522 --> 01:04:59,359
Now, there aren't actors.
You are just with Russ going through.
1064
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:03,947
You are getting
a very dangerous experience.
1065
01:05:03,947 --> 01:05:07,993
His tours now, at this point,
he's just doing it to hurt people
1066
01:05:07,993 --> 01:05:09,661
and to prove a point to us,
1067
01:05:09,661 --> 01:05:11,997
to everyone else that, like,
talked out on him.
1068
01:05:11,997 --> 01:05:15,292
Like a, "I'm gonna get back at you
and show you that I can still do this,
1069
01:05:15,292 --> 01:05:17,252
people still wanna be
tortured by me."
1070
01:05:17,252 --> 01:05:20,255
- Are you done?
1071
01:05:20,255 --> 01:05:22,215
Back in the day,
he had a haunted house
1072
01:05:22,215 --> 01:05:24,134
and now what it is,
is definitely not a haunt.
1073
01:05:25,677 --> 01:05:29,055
It's pretty much, you know,
Russ in his yard messin' with you.
1074
01:05:31,641 --> 01:05:33,727
You know, you're with a guy by himself.
1075
01:05:33,727 --> 01:05:36,271
Everything he does is
justified in his head.
1076
01:05:36,271 --> 01:05:38,481
There is no limits.
1077
01:05:38,481 --> 01:05:39,774
No, no!
1078
01:05:48,366 --> 01:05:50,619
I live in such a small town.
1079
01:05:50,619 --> 01:05:52,746
And I'm basically a nobody.
1080
01:05:52,746 --> 01:05:55,206
And, you know,
that's how I felt about myself.
1081
01:05:56,583 --> 01:06:00,045
During my first tour,
you know, you had all these signs,
1082
01:06:00,837 --> 01:06:03,840
but, at the time,
I didn't wanna deal with that.
1083
01:06:04,883 --> 01:06:07,510
I'd just seen a nice person
1084
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:11,431
that was giving me everything
I needed at the time.
1085
01:06:11,431 --> 01:06:13,099
I just felt like I got
1086
01:06:13,099 --> 01:06:16,019
really taken easy on, looking back.
1087
01:06:16,019 --> 01:06:18,897
I was nobody before any of this,
1088
01:06:18,897 --> 01:06:21,149
and I'd wake up with a million messages
1089
01:06:21,149 --> 01:06:23,193
from all these people
who supported me.
1090
01:06:23,193 --> 01:06:26,655
Like, me. The nobody that was once before,
1091
01:06:26,655 --> 01:06:30,075
now has a million people hyping her up
1092
01:06:30,075 --> 01:06:32,661
and just being friendly.
1093
01:06:32,661 --> 01:06:35,247
And [laughs] it was just life changing,
1094
01:06:35,247 --> 01:06:37,165
and I didn't want it to end.
1095
01:06:37,749 --> 01:06:41,294
I wasn't anticipating coming back,
1096
01:06:41,294 --> 01:06:43,547
but he was up on my phone,
1097
01:06:43,547 --> 01:06:45,507
texting or calling or video chatting.
1098
01:06:45,507 --> 01:06:47,717
Like, I didn't even have time
to even think about
1099
01:06:47,717 --> 01:06:49,886
what had happened
and what I went through.
1100
01:06:51,263 --> 01:06:54,391
I remember when Melissa Everly
was going through it.
1101
01:06:54,391 --> 01:06:56,768
She is Russ' type.
1102
01:06:58,645 --> 01:07:01,648
I met Melissa,
reaching out and trying
1103
01:07:01,648 --> 01:07:03,775
to talk her out of
going to McKamey Manor,
1104
01:07:03,775 --> 01:07:06,194
and she was drinkin' the Kool-Aid.
1105
01:07:06,194 --> 01:07:09,281
She was buying in and listenin' to Russ.
1106
01:07:09,281 --> 01:07:12,033
Russ was the good guy.
All of us were just crazies.
1107
01:07:12,033 --> 01:07:15,704
And the first conversation we had,
it wasn't a great one.
1108
01:07:15,704 --> 01:07:19,708
She thought I was some loon that was
some hater trying to talk her out of it.
1109
01:07:21,167 --> 01:07:24,296
Russ was dangling
everything over my head.
1110
01:07:24,296 --> 01:07:26,131
"Look, you're the Abyss Queen."
1111
01:07:26,131 --> 01:07:29,092
He gave me a nickname and rolled with it
1112
01:07:29,092 --> 01:07:31,136
and had everybody calling me that.
1113
01:07:31,136 --> 01:07:33,346
And that's how people knew me.
He was like,
1114
01:07:33,346 --> 01:07:35,932
"Oh, well, think of your fans."
1115
01:07:35,932 --> 01:07:38,852
I wanted to beat the thing
and be the first to complete it.
1116
01:07:39,644 --> 01:07:40,854
He knew that.
1117
01:07:42,022 --> 01:07:44,441
One day, he messaged me and was like,
1118
01:07:44,441 --> 01:07:46,818
"Hey, can you make it
for a tour tomorrow?"
1119
01:07:52,824 --> 01:07:56,202
I drive down for the second tour.
1120
01:07:57,871 --> 01:08:01,666
Russ ends up coming over
to the hotel room.
1121
01:08:02,250 --> 01:08:04,502
And I knew from the YouTube videos,
1122
01:08:04,502 --> 01:08:07,714
this isn't the first time
he's been in somebody's hotel room.
1123
01:08:07,714 --> 01:08:10,800
And so, in my mind, it's harmless.
1124
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,638
He was coming over to instruct me
on what to do for the evening.
1125
01:08:14,638 --> 01:08:18,683
And he gives me a list of
things that I have to do.
1126
01:08:18,683 --> 01:08:21,353
Lunges, singing, pushups, sit-ups.
1127
01:08:22,896 --> 01:08:25,732
The conversation ended up taking a turn
1128
01:08:25,732 --> 01:08:27,651
kind of for the worst.
1129
01:08:27,651 --> 01:08:30,237
He started going into
1130
01:08:30,237 --> 01:08:33,782
his sexual history with past contestants,
1131
01:08:33,782 --> 01:08:36,159
talking about how he liked
1132
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:38,745
a very competitive, athletic girl,
1133
01:08:38,745 --> 01:08:42,666
but he wants a woman that's gonna
submit to him when it comes to
1134
01:08:43,583 --> 01:08:46,419
being aggressive during sex.
1135
01:08:47,212 --> 01:08:49,965
In that moment,
I was feeling very nervous.
1136
01:08:51,049 --> 01:08:54,511
Like, I'm just there.
I'm barely participating in conversation,
1137
01:08:54,511 --> 01:08:56,596
because I don't really know what to say.
1138
01:08:56,596 --> 01:08:59,349
I don't wanna give any leading responses
1139
01:08:59,349 --> 01:09:01,726
because I just wanted
to go through the manor.
1140
01:09:01,726 --> 01:09:05,772
I was tired. I was exhausted.
I was willing to listen to him,
1141
01:09:05,772 --> 01:09:08,900
but I-I was also scared that
1142
01:09:08,900 --> 01:09:10,485
if I'm propositioned,
1143
01:09:10,485 --> 01:09:13,738
I'm not gonna be able to have
this experience if I decline.
1144
01:09:14,364 --> 01:09:16,324
And I was scared to what happens next.
1145
01:09:16,324 --> 01:09:19,286
Wh-Whatever I do, and all
of this is ripped from me,
1146
01:09:19,286 --> 01:09:22,497
you know, what kind of monster
is he gonna make me out to be?
1147
01:09:22,497 --> 01:09:24,082
If this is perfectly fine,
1148
01:09:24,082 --> 01:09:26,668
and he's done it with all
these other contestants,
1149
01:09:26,668 --> 01:09:29,212
is everybody gonna make
me a laughingstock?
1150
01:09:29,212 --> 01:09:31,673
You know, what's gonna happen?
1151
01:09:32,382 --> 01:09:34,467
So, he ends up leaving the room,
1152
01:09:34,467 --> 01:09:36,845
and I stay up doing these lives.
1153
01:09:36,845 --> 01:09:39,848
By the time my tour starts, um, it's--
1154
01:09:39,848 --> 01:09:42,851
I'll be up for 26 hours.
1155
01:09:42,851 --> 01:09:44,603
Happy Sunday.
1156
01:09:46,104 --> 01:09:49,941
That's right. Happy Sunday, Michelle.
Happy Sunday.
1157
01:09:53,528 --> 01:09:55,530
Gotta keep my eyes on the road, so...
1158
01:09:57,949 --> 01:09:59,826
I do have someone I want you to see.
1159
01:10:02,412 --> 01:10:05,040
My brain was like mashed potatoes
1160
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,125
when he came and picked me up,
1161
01:10:07,125 --> 01:10:09,586
and we headed out
1162
01:10:09,586 --> 01:10:11,922
to go for my next tour.
1163
01:10:11,922 --> 01:10:14,049
It's just me and Russ on this tour.
1164
01:10:14,049 --> 01:10:16,134
Go ahead and talk to 'em.
1165
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,972
- Alright, everyone.
- She's not near as bubbly
1166
01:10:20,972 --> 01:10:22,307
as she normally is.
1167
01:10:22,307 --> 01:10:23,475
- I'm tired.
- Tired.
1168
01:10:25,435 --> 01:10:27,020
He had no helpers.
1169
01:10:33,652 --> 01:10:36,029
We have our, our young lady here.
1170
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:39,950
Ms. Everly is doing awesome.
1171
01:10:41,076 --> 01:10:43,078
Killing it today. Killing it.
1172
01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:47,958
Why don't you come on out?
1173
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:54,881
Okay, that's good right there.
Stay where you are.
1174
01:10:54,881 --> 01:10:56,633
Through the bamboo run
1175
01:10:56,633 --> 01:10:59,594
is when he started, like,
whispering in my ear
1176
01:10:59,594 --> 01:11:02,138
and, like, complimenting my neck,
1177
01:11:02,138 --> 01:11:05,725
and kind of grabbing my
neck and being sexual.
1178
01:11:05,725 --> 01:11:08,520
You know what you need?
You need a little color.
1179
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:09,938
Would you like a little color?
1180
01:11:12,023 --> 01:11:13,608
Tilt your head back.
1181
01:11:15,610 --> 01:11:18,822
But, in that moment, I'm like,
"Oh, this is part of the tour.
1182
01:11:18,822 --> 01:11:20,907
You know, this is part of what he does."
1183
01:11:22,867 --> 01:11:24,411
I was dead to the world.
1184
01:11:24,411 --> 01:11:27,706
By the end of it,
I was over 30 hours no sleep.
1185
01:11:27,706 --> 01:11:29,708
I was beyond sleep deprived.
1186
01:11:29,708 --> 01:11:32,752
You feel like a noodle, don't ya?
How's your brain?
1187
01:11:32,752 --> 01:11:34,963
Seriously,
how's your brain feel right now?
1188
01:11:34,963 --> 01:11:37,966
All kinds of messed up
1189
01:11:37,966 --> 01:11:39,593
in every direction possible.
1190
01:11:39,593 --> 01:11:41,678
This is gonna suck.
1191
01:11:51,146 --> 01:11:54,024
I remember at that point,
I had fell asleep,
1192
01:11:54,024 --> 01:11:57,861
and he told me it was fine, "Go to sleep."
He'd covered me up with towels.
1193
01:12:00,488 --> 01:12:02,490
Come on, everybody. Come on in.
1194
01:12:04,743 --> 01:12:06,328
Talkin' quiet because
1195
01:12:07,495 --> 01:12:10,790
tryin' to get Ms. Everly to go to sleep.
1196
01:12:11,249 --> 01:12:13,168
Well,
1197
01:12:13,168 --> 01:12:15,212
sometime after the tour,
1198
01:12:15,212 --> 01:12:17,672
and I-I'm gonna fast forward for a moment
1199
01:12:17,672 --> 01:12:21,593
because I asked him how the footage went.
1200
01:12:22,344 --> 01:12:24,721
And he was like,
"Well, there was this one time
1201
01:12:24,721 --> 01:12:27,349
that I didn't get the footage
I really wish I had."
1202
01:12:37,150 --> 01:12:39,653
What happened?
What did he do when I was asleep?
1203
01:12:39,653 --> 01:12:41,196
Because he never answered me.
1204
01:12:41,196 --> 01:12:43,907
And I think I deserve the right to know.
1205
01:12:43,907 --> 01:12:46,785
Like, what did he mean?
What footage did he miss?
1206
01:12:49,454 --> 01:12:53,208
That's always going to haunt me.
I will question myself that
1207
01:12:54,793 --> 01:12:56,711
to the day I die.
1208
01:12:56,711 --> 01:12:58,421
'Cause I don't want,
1209
01:12:58,421 --> 01:13:01,299
and I never have wanted,
to do anything with Russ.
1210
01:13:03,260 --> 01:13:06,638
And it-- just the fact that
that may have been a possibility,
1211
01:13:06,638 --> 01:13:08,223
disgusts me.
1212
01:13:08,223 --> 01:13:11,518
He is a cruel, fucking disgusting person.
1213
01:13:16,314 --> 01:13:18,775
Good. Put your head back a little bit.
1214
01:13:19,776 --> 01:13:21,319
Enjoy that sun while you can.
1215
01:13:23,029 --> 01:13:25,532
- You got it right in there good?
- Mm-hmm.
1216
01:13:27,492 --> 01:13:31,538
There's always gonna be that doubt.
There's always gonna be that doubt.
1217
01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:38,169
We have a tired little puppy here.
1218
01:13:49,431 --> 01:13:52,267
Everything finally adds up.
1219
01:13:52,267 --> 01:13:55,395
It adds up that Russ is just
1220
01:13:55,395 --> 01:13:59,441
a narcissistic,
manipulative piece of fuck.
1221
01:14:01,735 --> 01:14:04,738
Don't learn the hard way, like we have.
1222
01:14:14,122 --> 01:14:18,126
I love getting scared.
I wanna populate our earth with more art
1223
01:14:18,126 --> 01:14:20,879
and make it horror. You know what?
1224
01:14:20,879 --> 01:14:23,256
Keep doing it, you know?
'Cause eventually,
1225
01:14:23,256 --> 01:14:26,384
this could replace movies for some people,
and it does now.
1226
01:14:30,597 --> 01:14:32,599
I wanted to find another haunt
1227
01:14:32,599 --> 01:14:34,935
because I wanted to fill that void.
1228
01:14:34,935 --> 01:14:37,812
I wanted to find something
that can help me cope,
1229
01:14:37,812 --> 01:14:40,732
to give me that reminder,
"Hey, if you went through this,
1230
01:14:40,732 --> 01:14:42,275
you can go through anything."
1231
01:14:42,275 --> 01:14:46,029
Because the purpose isn't
to sexually molest people.
1232
01:14:46,029 --> 01:14:49,157
Th-The purpose is not to do
anything untoward to somebody
1233
01:14:49,157 --> 01:14:52,327
or to make them a victim.
It's to make you grow.
1234
01:14:52,327 --> 01:14:55,747
That little girl, that itch,
is still very much inside of me.
1235
01:14:55,747 --> 01:14:58,416
I've just had to not scratch
the itch for a while,
1236
01:14:58,416 --> 01:15:00,085
to recover from the manor.
1237
01:15:09,010 --> 01:15:11,638
I'm telling you. You wanna do somethin'
1238
01:15:11,638 --> 01:15:13,557
taboo and out there?
1239
01:15:14,933 --> 01:15:16,768
There's places that'll help you.
1240
01:15:18,937 --> 01:15:21,273
Tell us what you're about to go do.
1241
01:15:21,273 --> 01:15:24,109
I'm about to go do Miasma.
1242
01:15:24,484 --> 01:15:26,987
- I'm at the fog machine.
1243
01:15:29,155 --> 01:15:31,449
Give it a longer pause between that.
1244
01:15:31,449 --> 01:15:35,495
Diversity is really the norm.
People have very diverse genetic makeups,
1245
01:15:35,495 --> 01:15:37,831
people want different things,
1246
01:15:37,831 --> 01:15:40,208
people have different
psychological traits.
1247
01:15:40,208 --> 01:15:42,043
So, we need to recognize
1248
01:15:42,043 --> 01:15:45,046
that there are people who need challenges,
1249
01:15:45,046 --> 01:15:47,674
they need risk, they need sensation.
1250
01:15:47,674 --> 01:15:50,677
And we need to make sure that
those spaces are available,
1251
01:15:50,677 --> 01:15:54,306
so people can get what they need
within the bounds of the law.
1252
01:16:19,456 --> 01:16:21,833
Turn around, turn around.
1253
01:16:22,918 --> 01:16:24,336
Sign when you're ready.
1254
01:16:29,466 --> 01:16:32,344
When this bell rings,
you're no longer Melissa.
1255
01:16:32,344 --> 01:16:34,262
You become Jay. Do you understand?
1256
01:16:35,347 --> 01:16:38,016
- Who do you become when this bell rings?
- Jay.
1257
01:16:38,016 --> 01:16:40,644
- What is the safety word?
- Safety.
1258
01:16:40,644 --> 01:16:44,189
Do you understand you can
say this at any time for any reason,
1259
01:16:44,189 --> 01:16:46,441
- your show will stop?
- Yes.
1260
01:16:46,441 --> 01:16:49,945
- What happens when this rings?
- I'm Jay.
1261
01:16:51,738 --> 01:16:53,698
Fucking run, Jay! Keep going!
1262
01:16:56,910 --> 01:16:59,913
Follow it, follow it! Follow it forward.
1263
01:17:41,329 --> 01:17:44,749
Where's the cliff edge, right?
1264
01:17:44,749 --> 01:17:47,460
- Or have I already gone over it?
1265
01:17:49,087 --> 01:17:53,008
No. No. Stay down. Stay down.
Stay down, stay down.
1266
01:17:53,008 --> 01:17:56,094
- Hey. Hey, you okay?
1267
01:17:56,094 --> 01:17:59,014
- You okay?
- [panting] Yeah.
1268
01:17:59,014 --> 01:18:01,516
- Do you wanna keep going?
- Yes.
1269
01:18:01,516 --> 01:18:04,102
Look at these scars. I'm bleeding.
1270
01:18:05,103 --> 01:18:07,397
My heart was beating through my chest.
1271
01:18:08,982 --> 01:18:10,650
It's freakin' awesome.
1272
01:18:10,650 --> 01:18:13,153
What the fuck is wrong with you?!
1273
01:18:14,487 --> 01:18:17,365
- Tell her you fuckin' hate her.
1274
01:18:17,365 --> 01:18:20,619
- I fucking hate you!
- Tell her you wish she was dead.
1275
01:18:20,619 --> 01:18:23,288
- I wish you were dead!
- Scream it!
1276
01:18:30,420 --> 01:18:33,381
Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead!
1277
01:18:33,381 --> 01:18:36,426
Dead! Dead! Dead!
1278
01:18:36,426 --> 01:18:40,222
Who are you?! Who the fuck
are you?! Who the fuck are you?!
1279
01:18:40,222 --> 01:18:42,182
Answer, answer! Answer! Answer me!
1280
01:18:42,182 --> 01:18:45,518
I already have an anxiety brain
that can kind of make up scenarios.
1281
01:18:45,518 --> 01:18:48,647
So, if someone makes up
a scenario that's crazier than me,
1282
01:18:48,647 --> 01:18:50,357
- I, like, give them props for it.
1283
01:18:57,781 --> 01:19:01,785
- [chanting] Jay, Jay, Jay.
1284
01:19:01,785 --> 01:19:03,411
Fuck!
1285
01:19:03,411 --> 01:19:06,289
- Who are you supposed to be?
- Jay.
1286
01:19:06,289 --> 01:19:08,416
- Louder.
- Jay!
1287
01:19:08,416 --> 01:19:10,210
- Scream it!
- Jay!
1288
01:19:10,210 --> 01:19:12,003
- One more time!
- Jay!
1289
01:19:12,003 --> 01:19:15,257
- Can't fucking hear you!
1290
01:19:15,257 --> 01:19:18,051
- Who the fuck are you supposed to be?!
- Jay!
1291
01:19:28,853 --> 01:19:32,357
- Who do you wanna be?
- Me. I wanna be me.
1292
01:19:57,090 --> 01:19:59,968
It's very cathartic, right?
In there, it's still--
1293
01:19:59,968 --> 01:20:02,512
There's a lot of processing
that's still goin' on, right?
1294
01:20:02,512 --> 01:20:05,390
- Of course.
- Like, I've done this shit before,
1295
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:07,642
and, you know, you're out of it
in 15, 20 minutes
1296
01:20:07,642 --> 01:20:09,185
once you get back to the real world,
1297
01:20:09,185 --> 01:20:11,855
but this is gonna stay with me
for a little while, I think.
1298
01:20:11,855 --> 01:20:14,691
Like, I don't know--
I don't know how to--
1299
01:20:14,691 --> 01:20:17,527
I don't know how to
describe the experience.
1300
01:20:19,571 --> 01:20:23,241
There is actually
a great emotional release
1301
01:20:23,241 --> 01:20:25,535
after some type of self-harm behavior.
1302
01:20:28,914 --> 01:20:31,583
On one level, it exhausts us.
1303
01:20:31,583 --> 01:20:35,086
Then, it starts to promote
this addiction-like dopamine pathway
1304
01:20:35,086 --> 01:20:36,796
that we seek out over and over.
1305
01:20:36,796 --> 01:20:40,050
- Congratulations.
- Fuck! Fuck!
1306
01:20:40,050 --> 01:20:42,677
That was one hell of a show.
1307
01:20:42,677 --> 01:20:46,014
- Are you okay? Are you okay?
- Thank you so much.
1308
01:20:46,014 --> 01:20:48,516
It meant the world to me.
1309
01:20:50,769 --> 01:20:52,687
That's some great news.
1310
01:20:52,687 --> 01:20:54,814
Thank you so much, Justin.
1311
01:20:54,814 --> 01:20:56,566
That was fucking--
1312
01:20:56,566 --> 01:20:58,568
Thank you,
but I'm glad you're okay.
1313
01:20:58,568 --> 01:21:00,320
I'm glad you got something out of it.
1314
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,280
- Thank you.
- You did awesome.
1315
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,908
- It's a rough show, and you did so good.
- Yeah.
1316
01:21:04,908 --> 01:21:07,410
- It's not--
- No, no.
1317
01:21:07,410 --> 01:21:10,121
- And you did awesome.
- Thank you.
1318
01:21:10,121 --> 01:21:13,083
Um, so right now,
you can just take a breath.
1319
01:21:24,302 --> 01:21:28,098
Russ... is damaged himself.
1320
01:21:28,098 --> 01:21:31,643
And he has some inner demons or trauma
1321
01:21:31,643 --> 01:21:35,397
that he needs to get help with,
and I hope he does.
1322
01:21:35,397 --> 01:21:38,441
He is a person who
aspired to be an entertainer
1323
01:21:38,441 --> 01:21:41,861
and became the torturer, the tormentor.
1324
01:21:41,861 --> 01:21:45,073
I was dragged across asphalt
1325
01:21:45,073 --> 01:21:47,534
in a parking lot...
1326
01:21:47,534 --> 01:21:49,286
after my tour was already over!
1327
01:21:49,286 --> 01:21:52,163
None of you even know
what you're talkin' about.
1328
01:21:52,163 --> 01:21:55,500
Russ isn't a torturer, okay?
He's a showman.
1329
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:58,253
People are stupid.
That's what you sign up for.
1330
01:21:58,253 --> 01:22:00,839
It's his own little narcissism factory,
1331
01:22:00,839 --> 01:22:04,134
that people just come to,
to-to-to-to help him feed on it.
1332
01:22:04,134 --> 01:22:07,679
And they're still very much
active groups on Facebook.
1333
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:09,264
It's just, you're drinking the Kool-Aid.
1334
01:22:09,264 --> 01:22:11,933
You're believing what he says.
You're lapping it up.
1335
01:22:11,933 --> 01:22:14,352
Russ, I think you're a good man.
1336
01:22:14,352 --> 01:22:17,814
Just a little misunderstood
by some people.
1337
01:22:17,814 --> 01:22:20,191
If people wanna do it,
I'm not gonna stop 'em,
1338
01:22:20,191 --> 01:22:22,861
but it's not gonna shock me
if someone dies one day,
1339
01:22:22,861 --> 01:22:24,738
and Russ goes to jail
because of it.
1340
01:22:24,738 --> 01:22:27,532
- What would you like
1341
01:22:27,532 --> 01:22:31,119
the takeaway to be
from your participation in this?
1342
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:32,704
That
1343
01:22:33,788 --> 01:22:35,165
immersive haunts are okay,
1344
01:22:35,165 --> 01:22:37,167
even if it seems crazy and weird.
1345
01:22:39,461 --> 01:22:42,714
You can have your kinks,
and that's perfectly fine.
1346
01:22:42,714 --> 01:22:46,051
But don't invite people into your kinks
without them knowing
1347
01:22:46,051 --> 01:22:48,511
that that's exactly what
they're going to be in.
1348
01:22:48,511 --> 01:22:51,556
If I knew I was getting
into Russ's fantasy world
1349
01:22:51,556 --> 01:22:54,142
and living out whatever fantasies
he wanted to see,
1350
01:22:54,142 --> 01:22:57,354
I probably would've felt different
about it. But I was supposed to be
1351
01:22:57,354 --> 01:23:00,232
in a survive my own horror experience,
1352
01:23:00,232 --> 01:23:04,277
not survive, like,
Russ McKamey's fantasy experience.
1353
01:23:05,111 --> 01:23:08,156
Am I still doing tours? Of course!
1354
01:23:08,156 --> 01:23:11,284
I have a tour this weekend!
1355
01:23:11,284 --> 01:23:13,828
I have a heart murmur
I need to get taken care of.
1356
01:23:13,828 --> 01:23:17,874
I have surgery in about a month.
If I, if I can get medically cleared,
1357
01:23:17,874 --> 01:23:21,545
um, hopefully, fingers crossed,
in six months, I'll be up for a tour.
1358
01:23:21,545 --> 01:23:24,714
My name is Shelby.
I'm from Scotland.
1359
01:23:24,714 --> 01:23:26,466
I work in the dental field.
1360
01:23:26,466 --> 01:23:28,760
I'm a professional nurse.
1361
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:32,013
I hold a very high position in a company.
1362
01:23:32,013 --> 01:23:35,767
I would love to go visit Russ,
and I would love to hang out with him.
1363
01:23:35,767 --> 01:23:39,104
I'd love to take a tour at some point
when I can get to the South.
1364
01:23:39,104 --> 01:23:42,357
I wanna take the tour because
I love the survival horror movie.
1365
01:23:42,357 --> 01:23:45,026
I need to challenge myself
a little bit more,
1366
01:23:45,026 --> 01:23:47,404
and this would be the ultimate challenge.
1367
01:23:47,404 --> 01:23:51,032
If I were to be put in that situation,
1368
01:23:51,032 --> 01:23:53,243
I would be able to survive.
1369
01:23:53,243 --> 01:23:56,830
I could get out of that.
That would never happen to me.
1370
01:23:56,830 --> 01:23:58,832
McKamey Manor, I'm coming for you.
1371
01:23:58,832 --> 01:24:02,460
Drown me, beat me, torture me.
1372
01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:05,839
I'm here for all of it.
And my kids are gonna watch all of it.
1373
01:24:05,839 --> 01:24:09,885
The manor is safe, it's fun,
1374
01:24:09,885 --> 01:24:13,805
and it will take you to your limit.
1375
01:24:35,535 --> 01:24:37,537
No.
1376
01:26:10,463 --> 01:26:14,968
♪ Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum ♪
1377
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:20,265
♪ Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum ♪
1378
01:26:21,182 --> 01:26:25,687
♪ Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum ♪
1379
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:30,108
♪ Bum bum bum ba-ah ♪