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[♪ creepy rhythmic pulsing]

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[♪ eerie music playing]

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[♪ horror sting]

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♪♪

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[speaker 1]
So, very young...

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[branches rustling]

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...I got obsessed with horror.

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[chair squeaking]

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[heavy breathing]

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I just think it would be fun
to survive a horror movie.

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♪♪

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[buzzing]

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-[light clicks]
-[indistinct murmuring]

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[slice]

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But you make it to the end...

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[screaming]

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♪♪

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...and the credits roll,
and everyone's fine.

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[screaming]

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That's just always been, like,
super appealing to me.

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I think I googled,
"Survive your own scary movie,"

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which is where
the beginning of this started.

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♪♪

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[speaker 2]
But, every horror movie...

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[♪ horror music playing]

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[screaming]

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-[static hissing]
-...has a monster.

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[♪ music fades out]

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[screaming]

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Hey, everybody. It's Russ.

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[screaming]

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This is Immersive Horror,

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where you become the star of the show.

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[screaming] No!

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[speaker 2]
No, Russ. Please...

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[Russ McKamey]
[panting] Stay with me, honey.

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-[speaker 2 pleading]
-[Russ] Hold your breath.

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On the count of three, hold your breath.
One. Two.

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-[water pouring]
-[echoing hyperventilating]

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-[speaker 2] Please--
-[silence]

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[speaker 3]
An immersive horror experience is...

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[overlapping screaming]

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...you are basically putting yourself
inside of a horror movie.

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[indistinct screaming]

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My legs hurt, and my arms hurt,
a-and my hands are freezing.

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And I can't feel them 'cause there's still
shocks running through my hands.

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[interviewer]
You had a good time, though?

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Yes! I had a great time.

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-[people screaming]
-[♪ horror music playing]

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I don't know too many people
outside of my small little group

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that know about this stuff.

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[♪ creepy music playing]

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It is relatively underground,

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and right now, we have
the worst salesman for it

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in the history of bad salesmen.
That's Russ McKamey.

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♪♪

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I am the owner and creator
of McKamey Manor,

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the world's most extreme haunted house.

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-[♪ creepy music playing]
-[inaudible screaming]

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Russ has positioned himself to be

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-the great danger.
-[liquid splashes]

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You're in boot camp,
you are in North Korea,

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you are in Stalinist Russia,

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and you're gonna see
if you can make it out or not.

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-[person panting]
-[Russ] We're showmen.

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I am the P.T. Barnum of the haunt world.

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Look at her. Look at her.

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I spent hours trying to convince her
not to show up here.

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But she wouldn't listen to me.

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The show's never over with Russ.

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-[gasping]
-[splashing]

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Please stop, Russ. Please, please.

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Russ has crossed the Rubicon.

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There's no goin' back.

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I'm leaving McKamey Manor, thank God.

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Do. Not. Come. Here.

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[projector clicking, whirring]

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[♪ eerie music playing]

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[♪ eerie crescendo]

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[wind blowing]

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[birds chirping]

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[Russ] McKamey Manor
has a history of, um, cities and towns...

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-[♪ dramatic sting]
-...not wanting us in their location.

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You know, we were kicked out of Illinois.
We were gonna move out there.

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Um, the city saw the movies
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basically, and freaked out.

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And they were, you know,
they just went crazy,

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you know, praying in front of the building
to keep us away,

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shooting out the windows, slashing tires.
I mean, they really did not want us there.

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[bees buzzing loudly]

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[♪ pulsating creepy music playing]

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[jet engine whining]

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[muffled thud]

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[♪ dramatic sting]

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-[people clapping]
-[♪ guitar playing]

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[emcee] Hey, everybody, welcome to the
Captain's pizza party! It's time to party!

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♪ I really, really, really, really,
really, really, really like girls ♪

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♪♪

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♪ Yeah, I really, really, really, really,
really, really, really like girls ♪

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[interviewer] You are from the military,
you were in the Navy.

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[Russ] Oh, absolutely. Yeah,
I've-I was in the military for 23 years.

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Even on a ship, I had a haunt going on.

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[♪ foreboding music building]

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[news anchor]
Russ McKamey created a house of horror

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that would rival anything
at a carnival or theme park.

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-Nine rooms, animated ghoulish figures,
-[cackling]

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you wonder what he spent on it.

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This year, about $30,000.

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-[cackling]
-[♪ scary music playing]

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It took me six months to do
what I did in there so far,

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so, and we just ran outta time.

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[news anchor] A Navy veteran
who now works with the VFW,

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he's just always loved Halloween, he says.

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[♪ foreboding music playing]

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[Kris] When we first met,
I started doing video work for him.

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Russ was my friend.

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I thought that me and Russ
were-were best friends.

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[♪ curious music playing]

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When the manor started originally,
it was an awesome thing.

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It was kids working it,
jumping out, scaring you.

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You know, there was a line
to get in on Halloween.

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-[guests chattering]
-It was a cool thing.

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♪♪

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That was when the news
on what we were doing got big.

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This is considered the scariest
haunted house in America.

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-[eerie cackling]
-[Kris] We were on Good Morning America,

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every news station,
everybody was doin' a story on us.

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[narrator]
McKamey Manor is completely interactive.

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-A two-hour visit to hell on Earth.
-[screams]

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And then every year,
he had to one up it.

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[screaming, shouting]

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Had to get a little more intense.
A little more intense to the point,

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though, finally,
they got rid of the kids.

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-[screaming]
-[Russ] Here they come! They're coming!

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[chainsaw roaring]

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McKamey Manor promises
an extreme experience

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that can last up to 10 hours,

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requires participants to be
medically cleared by a doctor

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and sign a 40-page waiver.

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This place has been
known to break the minds...

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It was invented by
this crazy gentleman...

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Russ McKamey videotapes
every single second...

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...inducing is a form of
psychological torture, but for fun.

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[voices overlapping]

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[news anchor] They say it amounts
to a torture chamber. Yikes.

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-[static hissing]
-[Kris] The phones would not stop.

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His phone would constantly ring,

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my phone would constantly ring,
with people trying to get in.

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It was insane

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how quickly and how big it got.

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[♪ unsettling music playing]

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And that's when it got violent.

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-[person wailing]
-[Russ] Don't fuckin' move.

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[panting]

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[muffled yelling]

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-Stop resisting!
-[slam]

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I probably wouldn't do the haunt

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-if I wasn't able to film it.
-[person yells]

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-That's nice.
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[crying]

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Because I want the world
to see what I'm doing.

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[inaudible]

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[static, bars & tone]

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[breeze blowing]

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I am here because I want everyone

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to know the truth on Russ.

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[clicking]

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[inaudible]

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I don't feel like I'm,
like, mentally weak,

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but it messed me up.

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I'm over five years past it...

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[clicking]

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...and I'm just now coming to terms

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with how fucked up it was.

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[inaudible]

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[speaker 4] The dude lives in the dark.
The world needs to see

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what this man has done to people.

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[clicking]

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If someone asked me my story,
I would tell it to 'em.

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There's actually a lesson
to be learned from Russ.

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[♪ eerie crescendo]

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[TV static buzzing]

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[static hissing]

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[♪ eerie music playing]

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[W.P. West] I am a producer and creator
of immersive horror.

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♪♪

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I'm putting them through what
I would perceive as horrific.

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♪♪

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I'm putting them through a scenario
that I'm terrified of.

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I love traditional Halloween.
Like, I love old school haunted houses.

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An immersive horror experience

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is definitely evolved
out of a haunted house,

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-but...
-[♪ horror sting]

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...you can't compare
these things together.

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If you wanna put 'em in a hierarchy,
you know, you have boo haunts up here.

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[kids chattering]

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[♪ dramatic music playing]

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The normal boo haunted house,
they pop out of a hole in the window,

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-they scare you around a corner.
-[kids scream]

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[Brandon]
Those are just walkabout haunted houses

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that everybody can go to.

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[inaudible]

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[screams]

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[♪ creepy music playing]

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[screams]

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Followed by more extreme haunts...

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[people screaming]

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...but without necessarily
actors touching you.

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[screaming]

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As you kind of get into
the more immersive experience,

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-they can separate you from your friends.
-[screams]

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They can tie you up,
but it's nothing super extreme.

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[cuffs clicking]

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At the very bottom is...

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-[screaming]
-...immersive, extreme type experiences,

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where it is full contact.

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There's no topic that's off the table.

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-[thud]
-[lights click]

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[W.P.]
They're longer, they're more intense,

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they're more narrative-driven,

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more task-driven, and personal.

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[♪ music building]

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[♪ dramatic sting]

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Some of these ultra personal experiences

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are made to make you face

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all the things that you don't wanna face.

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[panting]

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[haunter] Hands and knees,
Hands and knees!

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[♪ dramatic music playing]

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[Brandon] And they go about it
in extremely creative ways.

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[muffled]
Fuck!

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[snapping]

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[breathing heavily]

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They put you in situations that you
didn't realize you were even scared of.

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♪♪

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[incoherent shouting]

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People just enjoy the rush of it
'cause it is a thrill.

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♪♪

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The point is how much
can you take, right?

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How much physical and mental abuse

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can you put up with
before you just cut out?

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But, you can take away
consent at any time,

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and a good extreme haunt owner knows that.

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You constantly have to
ask the participant,

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"Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?"

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Even if it's seven hours,
they're going to make sure that I'm safe.

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[W.P.]
But it isn't just the torturing people.

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There is subtext to the show.

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There's subtext to the things
that I'm talking about.

252
00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:52,814
[♪ horror music playing]

253
00:12:54,233 --> 00:12:56,735
But, that isn't always the case.

254
00:12:58,153 --> 00:13:00,656
There's one person

255
00:13:00,739 --> 00:13:03,492
basically running a torture chamber.

256
00:13:03,575 --> 00:13:04,826
♪♪

257
00:13:04,910 --> 00:13:06,537
[panting]

258
00:13:06,620 --> 00:13:09,248
[Russ] [echoing] You made a big mistake.
Come on.

259
00:13:09,331 --> 00:13:12,876
Russ was, like, a celebrity. You know,

260
00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,380
every YouTube video at the time,
every Facebook link

261
00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:19,424
was Russ' face, mentioning this haunt.

262
00:13:19,508 --> 00:13:22,094
[laughs] We're here waiting for you.

263
00:13:22,177 --> 00:13:24,388
Russ McKamey's a divisive figure.

264
00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:26,682
[Russ]
Just get him in here! Get him in here!

265
00:13:26,765 --> 00:13:28,141
He uses his divisiveness

266
00:13:28,225 --> 00:13:31,687
to get your attention,
to grow in attention.

267
00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:32,980
[Russ]
You understand what I'm telling you?

268
00:13:33,063 --> 00:13:34,064
[indistinct shouting]

269
00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:36,525
[Russ] Yes what? Tell me what
I just told you, Christina.

270
00:13:36,608 --> 00:13:39,027
He started to put little bits
of information out there

271
00:13:39,111 --> 00:13:41,738
to make himself more infamous, I guess.

272
00:13:41,822 --> 00:13:44,074
[Russ]
You look scared Steve.

273
00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,326
-I'm terrified, sir.
-[Russ] Yeah, you need to be.

274
00:13:46,410 --> 00:13:50,163
[Brandon] It billed itself as the most
extreme haunted house in the world.

275
00:13:50,247 --> 00:13:51,915
They do all kinds of crazy stuff to you.

276
00:13:51,999 --> 00:13:53,375
I don't like you here.

277
00:13:53,458 --> 00:13:56,795
I am gonna make sure you have
the worst day of your entire life.

278
00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,257
They drugged you,
that they pulled your teeth,

279
00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:03,218
that if you threw up,
they make you eat your throw-up.

280
00:14:03,302 --> 00:14:05,304
And I was like, "How is this possible?

281
00:14:05,387 --> 00:14:07,139
But, man, this is fascinating."

282
00:14:07,222 --> 00:14:10,225
[muffled]
[screams] Let me out!

283
00:14:10,309 --> 00:14:13,478
Let me out! Let me out!

284
00:14:13,562 --> 00:14:15,230
[♪ dramatic crescendo]

285
00:14:15,314 --> 00:14:18,984
[Russ] We only do one
or two shows a week.

286
00:14:19,067 --> 00:14:21,320
-The list is long.
-[muffled screaming]

287
00:14:21,403 --> 00:14:25,157
[Brandon] One of those things
that Russ liked to say was

288
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,744
he had this 27,000 person waitlist.

289
00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,079
-[haunter 1] You won the lottery.
-[haunter 2] Out of 20,000.

290
00:14:31,163 --> 00:14:33,540
-[Russ] 27,000.
-[haunter 2] 27,000!

291
00:14:33,624 --> 00:14:36,084
He's so big with this huge waitlist.

292
00:14:36,168 --> 00:14:39,087
[Russ]
I'm offering you 20 grand,

293
00:14:39,171 --> 00:14:43,091
and you know we're probably
not gonna kill ya, so...

294
00:14:43,175 --> 00:14:44,718
There was a $20,000 money prize.

295
00:14:44,801 --> 00:14:47,971
Oh yeah, well, the 20 grand,
that's a big part of it.

296
00:14:48,055 --> 00:14:51,808
Well, here I am.
Today's the day for my McKamey Manor tour.

297
00:14:51,892 --> 00:14:55,771
[Brandon] Some people see that 20 grand,
and they're enticed by that money.

298
00:14:55,854 --> 00:14:57,356
♪♪

299
00:14:57,439 --> 00:15:00,859
[gasps] Everyone on the internet
told me I could do it,

300
00:15:00,943 --> 00:15:04,321
they wanted me to, and I didn't listen.

301
00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:06,657
Do not come here.

302
00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:09,034
[sobs]

303
00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:11,245
♪♪

304
00:15:11,328 --> 00:15:15,874
[Russ] Price of admission
for this eight-hour-plus adventure?

305
00:15:15,958 --> 00:15:19,920
Four cans of dog food
or a bag of dog food.

306
00:15:20,003 --> 00:15:22,506
[Gabi]
He's not making money.

307
00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:26,510
I think most of the money that went into
the haunt was from his previous wife.

308
00:15:27,761 --> 00:15:30,639
But I think it is just to keep himself,
keep himself clean.

309
00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:31,974
♪♪

310
00:15:32,057 --> 00:15:34,434
Haunted houses, like,
this is not a money thing.

311
00:15:34,518 --> 00:15:36,144
You gotta do this for the art,

312
00:15:36,228 --> 00:15:39,690
-or 'cause you're a sociopath.
-[Russ inaudible]

313
00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:41,775
You wanna run a torture chamber.

314
00:15:44,152 --> 00:15:48,240
[Russ] We're known for no quitting
and no safe-wording.

315
00:15:48,323 --> 00:15:49,366
[person panting]

316
00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:53,120
I make it simple 'cause I'm a simple guy,
and I can't have too many rules,

317
00:15:53,203 --> 00:15:56,540
otherwise I'll get confused.
So, either you actually complete the tour,

318
00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:58,876
-which is not going to happen...
-[person panting]

319
00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:03,255
...or you mentally or physically
are at such a breaking point

320
00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:06,049
that it's now not safe
for you to continue,

321
00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:07,843
and I need to take you out.

322
00:16:07,926 --> 00:16:10,929
[♪ scary music playing]

323
00:16:12,723 --> 00:16:18,020
Russ doesn't want you to quit
until you are a pile of bones and flesh.

324
00:16:18,103 --> 00:16:20,355
And then, you're not probably done either.

325
00:16:20,439 --> 00:16:22,232
[static hissing]

326
00:16:22,316 --> 00:16:23,376
[♪ dramatic crescendo]

327
00:16:23,525 --> 00:16:26,528
[insects chirping]

328
00:16:33,619 --> 00:16:36,038
[Brandon] All that bad stuff,
it's selling point.

329
00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:39,541
It's not a reason not to go.
It's a reason to go.

330
00:16:39,625 --> 00:16:40,876
How bad can it be?

331
00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:43,003
[♪ tense music playing]

332
00:16:46,757 --> 00:16:49,885
That's my number one rule
before I go to any extreme haunt.

333
00:16:51,845 --> 00:16:54,848
If a felony's not gonna be taking place,
I don't wanna go.

334
00:16:57,893 --> 00:16:59,520
I love the adrenaline.

335
00:17:00,395 --> 00:17:01,396
[gunshot]

336
00:17:02,648 --> 00:17:05,484
There was no second thought,
there was no nothing. I had to do it.

337
00:17:08,445 --> 00:17:12,616
I had just moved to Los Angeles.
I was, like, trying to be an actress.

338
00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:14,868
I had a group of friends
that were creative,

339
00:17:14,952 --> 00:17:18,705
so we would just do fun little
short films that were scary.

340
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:20,582
[screaming]

341
00:17:20,666 --> 00:17:22,543
And I wanted something more extreme.

342
00:17:22,626 --> 00:17:25,546
And it was like
a full send point in my life,

343
00:17:25,629 --> 00:17:27,631
where I just didn't think about anything.

344
00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:29,758
I was like, "Okay, like,
you only live once.

345
00:17:29,842 --> 00:17:32,386
Like, why not just try to, like,
get into this haunted house?"

346
00:17:32,469 --> 00:17:33,971
♪♪

347
00:17:34,596 --> 00:17:36,890
[Melissa]
My day-to-day activities,

348
00:17:36,974 --> 00:17:40,102
my normal routine gets dull,

349
00:17:40,185 --> 00:17:42,187
and I wanted to branch out.

350
00:17:43,021 --> 00:17:44,314
And I'm not gonna lie.

351
00:17:44,398 --> 00:17:48,110
I honestly thought that
this was gonna help

352
00:17:48,193 --> 00:17:51,738
get me a little bit of fame.
And I wanted a video of me up on YouTube.

353
00:17:51,822 --> 00:17:53,824
♪♪

354
00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,664
And the more people that
I talked to about this that said,

355
00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:03,000
"No, don't do it, don't do it,
don't do it,"

356
00:18:04,585 --> 00:18:06,461
the more it motivated me.

357
00:18:08,755 --> 00:18:12,009
My first conversations with Russ
involved going to his website,

358
00:18:12,092 --> 00:18:15,053
finding out what his email address was,
and I just sent him an email.

359
00:18:15,137 --> 00:18:18,599
And I contacted the admins
about doing a tour.

360
00:18:18,682 --> 00:18:22,519
"I wanna be an actress. I love horror.
Um, I'm trying to start a YouTube channel.

361
00:18:22,603 --> 00:18:24,396
Like, I would love to do this haunt."

362
00:18:24,479 --> 00:18:27,983
Not even two days later,
I actually got the email back from him.

363
00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:30,110
[♪ dramatic music playing]

364
00:18:30,194 --> 00:18:33,155
"Hey, Gabi, are you available tomorrow?

365
00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,866
I have, like, a spot opening up.
Someone bailed."

366
00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:39,328
We kind of bonded because
we were both in the service.

367
00:18:39,411 --> 00:18:43,332
He says, "This is your only opportunity
to get in. I got 20,000 people waiting,

368
00:18:43,415 --> 00:18:45,542
I'm bumping you
to the front of the line."

369
00:18:45,626 --> 00:18:48,086
People get so obsessed,
and Russ is feeding their ears,

370
00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:51,048
and they're like,
"This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,

371
00:18:51,131 --> 00:18:53,175
because I'll never get this chance again."

372
00:18:53,258 --> 00:18:56,762
Then, I had to do this little video
that Russ asked me to do,

373
00:18:56,845 --> 00:19:00,724
live on this private Facebook group.

374
00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:04,561
I had a friend hanging me
by my ankles upside down,

375
00:19:04,645 --> 00:19:07,898
and I actually ate night crawlers

376
00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:10,275
mixed with toothpaste and mustard.

377
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,861
[friend] [on video] She's done.
She's ate all the worms.

378
00:19:12,945 --> 00:19:15,697
♪♪

379
00:19:15,781 --> 00:19:18,867
And it was horrible. Absolutely horrible.

380
00:19:18,951 --> 00:19:20,827
But I felt like I needed to be

381
00:19:20,911 --> 00:19:23,705
over the top in my creativity,

382
00:19:23,789 --> 00:19:26,333
because he was a big deal,

383
00:19:26,416 --> 00:19:28,919
and I wanted to stand out from the rest.

384
00:19:30,337 --> 00:19:33,006
He announces, you know, I can do a tour.

385
00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:34,383
I said yes.

386
00:19:34,466 --> 00:19:36,093
And I was over the moon excited.

387
00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:40,013
I was like, I guess, for some reason,
he liked my email.

388
00:19:40,097 --> 00:19:42,224
And he was very kind at that time.

389
00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:44,726
He made me feel like I was important

390
00:19:44,810 --> 00:19:46,937
and that I was already this huge celebrity

391
00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,522
and I had a fan base.

392
00:19:50,274 --> 00:19:51,859
You know, I'm gonna rock this.

393
00:19:51,942 --> 00:19:54,945
[♪ tense music playing]

394
00:19:58,115 --> 00:19:59,116
[wind chimes jingling]

395
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,750
[jingling stops]

396
00:20:11,879 --> 00:20:14,715
I'm super scared.
I don't know who my partner is.

397
00:20:14,798 --> 00:20:17,593
Um, I'm waiting until it gets
a little closer to the time,

398
00:20:17,676 --> 00:20:19,845
then I'm gonna go sit
in the spot and wait.

399
00:20:19,928 --> 00:20:23,891
He said, "Find parking near the park.
There are bleachers. Sit at the bleachers,

400
00:20:23,974 --> 00:20:26,852
face forward.
Don't turn around or anything."

401
00:20:26,935 --> 00:20:30,689
And then, I went and met Russ at the park

402
00:20:30,772 --> 00:20:32,316
for my waiver signing.

403
00:20:32,399 --> 00:20:35,319
I was nervous. I was shaking.
My hands were trembling,

404
00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:38,280
and I was trying to fake that I was fine.

405
00:20:44,036 --> 00:20:45,037
[Brandon]
Sure.

406
00:20:45,913 --> 00:20:47,539
That was the infamous waiver.

407
00:20:47,623 --> 00:20:51,418
That was the waiver that
you're basically signing your life away.

408
00:20:51,502 --> 00:20:55,380
We're not responsible if you die.
Like, you're agreeing to sign up for this.

409
00:20:57,591 --> 00:20:58,592
No.

410
00:21:00,302 --> 00:21:02,763
-Yes, yes.
-Take this. Don't get it wet.

411
00:21:02,846 --> 00:21:05,432
Why are you doing this?
That's my question. Why would you do this

412
00:21:05,516 --> 00:21:08,310
after everything that's happening,
why would you sign this waiver?

413
00:21:08,393 --> 00:21:11,522
♪♪

414
00:21:11,605 --> 00:21:16,443
"Participant fully understands and agrees
that once participant enters MM,

415
00:21:16,527 --> 00:21:20,572
there is no quitting unless
serious psychological injury is present."

416
00:21:20,656 --> 00:21:23,242
Your hair may be chopped off.
Dentistry may be done.

417
00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:24,826
You may have a tooth extracted.

418
00:21:24,910 --> 00:21:27,996
"Head, neck, back injuries,
death, stroke,

419
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,290
traumatic brain injury, brain aneurysm."

420
00:21:30,374 --> 00:21:32,626
I wasn't allowed to, like,
look at the person

421
00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:33,752
who gave us the waiver.

422
00:21:33,836 --> 00:21:35,420
We had very weird instructions.

423
00:21:35,504 --> 00:21:39,925
"Retinal hemorrhage, subdural hematoma,
loss of consciousness, whiplash,

424
00:21:40,008 --> 00:21:42,010
"harmful heart reactions,

425
00:21:42,094 --> 00:21:45,222
"nausea, headache, dizziness, lacerations,

426
00:21:45,305 --> 00:21:47,015
broken or sprained bones."

427
00:21:48,183 --> 00:21:50,143
[Melissa]
None of this had gotten to me.

428
00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:55,357
I had too much excitement
going through my veins at the time.

429
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,402
If it would've said a man's
gonna come out of the woods

430
00:21:58,485 --> 00:22:01,488
and murder you during this event,
I-I would've signed it.

431
00:22:04,491 --> 00:22:07,494
[♪ tense music playing]

432
00:22:08,203 --> 00:22:09,454
[rustling papers]

433
00:22:16,753 --> 00:22:19,923
[Brandon] I get that feeling,
that adrenaline is just building,

434
00:22:20,007 --> 00:22:23,427
which is reminiscent right before
I left the wire when I was in Iraq.

435
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:26,763
This was going outside of
the safety of your FOB.

436
00:22:27,973 --> 00:22:29,892
The FOB,
it's a forward operation base.

437
00:22:30,601 --> 00:22:32,394
That's where we lived.

438
00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:35,856
There's a clear delineation
of safety there. You know, safe,

439
00:22:37,274 --> 00:22:38,275
not safe.

440
00:22:39,610 --> 00:22:41,486
As soon as you go outside the gate...

441
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:43,614
[♪ music building]

442
00:22:43,697 --> 00:22:46,033
-...adrenaline's as high as you can go.
-[explosion blasts]

443
00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:49,286
-[soldier] Yeah! Woo!
-[soldiers cheer]

444
00:22:49,369 --> 00:22:51,622
-[explosion]
-Yeah!

445
00:22:51,705 --> 00:22:54,291
[distant excited shouting]

446
00:22:54,374 --> 00:22:56,418
[♪ dramatic music playing]

447
00:22:56,502 --> 00:22:58,712
[Brandon]
We lost a lot of people over there.

448
00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:00,839
People were dying every single day.

449
00:23:02,633 --> 00:23:06,136
I did 21 years.
I did three combat tours in Iraq,

450
00:23:06,220 --> 00:23:08,639
which spanned over 40 months.

451
00:23:09,848 --> 00:23:12,643
At the start of the deployment,
I had hope.

452
00:23:14,228 --> 00:23:18,023
Very shortly, I realized
you abandon your hope.

453
00:23:18,941 --> 00:23:22,319
You realize that death
can come at any moment.

454
00:23:23,278 --> 00:23:24,780
♪♪

455
00:23:24,863 --> 00:23:27,449
[speaker 5]
Military experience is extreme.

456
00:23:27,533 --> 00:23:31,995
Terror haunt experience is extreme.
Anything that we do that is extreme,

457
00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:35,499
adrenaline, when it's coursing through us,
I mean, it makes us feel powerful.

458
00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:38,293
A lot of times when people
have had combat experiences,

459
00:23:38,377 --> 00:23:41,421
you cannot get that feeling anywhere else.

460
00:23:41,797 --> 00:23:44,174
-So, it almost gets kind of locked in.
-Mm.

461
00:23:44,258 --> 00:23:47,010
I'm Dr. Lindsay Bira,
clinical health psychologist

462
00:23:47,094 --> 00:23:49,763
and PTSD and trauma specialist.

463
00:23:49,847 --> 00:23:51,849
When somebody has had a trauma

464
00:23:51,932 --> 00:23:54,393
and their nervous system
is a little bit hijacked,

465
00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:56,103
like we see in PTSD,

466
00:23:56,186 --> 00:24:00,399
then it drives them to seek
external sensation to try to regulate.

467
00:24:02,401 --> 00:24:06,488
And for anybody with
anxiety, depression, PTSD,

468
00:24:06,572 --> 00:24:09,324
somebody experiencing
emotional abnormalities,

469
00:24:09,408 --> 00:24:13,120
they are more likely to
seek external stimulation.

470
00:24:13,203 --> 00:24:15,789
[birds cawing]

471
00:24:15,873 --> 00:24:18,542
I'm worried about these
types of experiences

472
00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:20,711
because there's no real structure.

473
00:24:20,794 --> 00:24:23,255
There's no limits.
The limits keep getting pushed.

474
00:24:23,338 --> 00:24:24,923
[screaming]

475
00:24:25,007 --> 00:24:28,343
But, the most important thing
is to be very careful

476
00:24:28,427 --> 00:24:32,306
who is leading an extreme experience.

477
00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:36,602
There can easily be abuse of power,

478
00:24:36,685 --> 00:24:39,813
and we don't know how
far to trust somebody.

479
00:24:39,897 --> 00:24:42,774
[♪ tense music playing]

480
00:24:45,777 --> 00:24:47,487
[Melissa]
He stuck me in his truck.

481
00:24:47,571 --> 00:24:50,449
Hey, everybody. Come on in.

482
00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:53,702
I was blindfolded,
I couldn't see anything,

483
00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:57,748
and off we went to the manor
to begin the tour.

484
00:25:01,126 --> 00:25:02,294
[breeze blowing]

485
00:25:02,377 --> 00:25:05,172
-[Brandon] He puts me into his truck.
-[door shuts]

486
00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,674
He puts earphones on me,

487
00:25:07,758 --> 00:25:11,595
and then I remember
the sounds of babies crying,

488
00:25:11,678 --> 00:25:14,056
-and it's very, very loud.
-[babies cry]

489
00:25:15,307 --> 00:25:18,727
I'm like, "Okay, I've just lost
my sense of hearing."

490
00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:22,189
-And then, he starts duct taping my head.
-[tape ripping]

491
00:25:22,272 --> 00:25:25,108
He covers my entire head with duct tape,

492
00:25:25,192 --> 00:25:26,443
that I bought, mind you.

493
00:25:26,527 --> 00:25:29,947
Once they kidnapped us and put us
in the van, that's when I, like,

494
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:31,615
I don't even think I felt anxious.

495
00:25:31,698 --> 00:25:33,951
I think I was in, like,
fight or flight mode,

496
00:25:34,034 --> 00:25:36,495
and I had to fight 'cause there was
nowhere that I could go.

497
00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:38,455
So I was just very focused.

498
00:25:38,539 --> 00:25:40,040
[♪ intense music playing]

499
00:25:40,123 --> 00:25:42,000
[Brandon]
I don't know what to expect.

500
00:25:42,084 --> 00:25:45,170
I knew this was go time, right?

501
00:25:45,254 --> 00:25:48,757
I'm getting what I've been
wanting to do for years.

502
00:25:48,841 --> 00:25:50,884
It's time!
Then, the door swings open.

503
00:25:50,968 --> 00:25:52,386
Come over here.

504
00:25:52,469 --> 00:25:54,638
I was so focused
because he was filming me.

505
00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:57,391
I had camera fright.

506
00:25:57,474 --> 00:26:00,561
This video's live, and so
it was very, very scary.

507
00:26:00,644 --> 00:26:03,313
[Russ] Fans, what color would
you like her base to be?

508
00:26:03,397 --> 00:26:05,774
You got purple, red, pink, yellow.

509
00:26:05,858 --> 00:26:07,776
[Melissa]
He hyped me up, did lives,

510
00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:09,695
and he's reading off the comments.

511
00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:12,364
[Russ]
She's a sport. Guys, she's a sport.

512
00:26:12,447 --> 00:26:16,243
[Kris] You're gonna be the best one,
you're gonna put on the best show ever.

513
00:26:16,326 --> 00:26:20,122
Hypes it up all the time. Really gets
you going, gets the fans going.

514
00:26:20,205 --> 00:26:24,042
And then, that-that starts to get
into, you know, your ego.

515
00:26:24,126 --> 00:26:25,419
You're like, "Oh, my God,

516
00:26:25,502 --> 00:26:28,505
"I got thousands of people watching me.
I was a nobody,

517
00:26:28,589 --> 00:26:31,258
I-- and now I got people rooting me on?"

518
00:26:31,341 --> 00:26:33,802
And you don't wanna let 'em down.

519
00:26:33,886 --> 00:26:36,096
♪♪

520
00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:37,723
They pushed us out of the van.

521
00:26:37,806 --> 00:26:40,017
And I think we had to crawl
through, like, chicken wire.

522
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:41,935
They had, like, some maze
through a garage.

523
00:26:45,147 --> 00:26:47,858
When we got to the other side,
that's when we met Russ,

524
00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:50,777
and he looked so happy, so excited.

525
00:26:50,861 --> 00:26:53,530
He had a big old flashlight
with a camera on his head.

526
00:26:53,614 --> 00:26:55,073
[panting]

527
00:26:55,157 --> 00:26:57,701
In the moment,
just the way he's, like, talking about it

528
00:26:57,784 --> 00:27:01,205
and the tone of his voice as he's
talking about it as it's happening.

529
00:27:01,288 --> 00:27:04,750
[Russ] [on TV] Are you prepared?
Good. This is your one chance.

530
00:27:04,833 --> 00:27:08,045
I'm gonna give you an out.
If you want out, you can get out now.

531
00:27:08,128 --> 00:27:10,964
-[haunter] Verbalize.
-No, I wanna stay in.

532
00:27:11,048 --> 00:27:13,884
[Russ] Okay, that's what I like.
Okay, cover her eyes.

533
00:27:13,967 --> 00:27:16,803
[inaudible]

534
00:27:23,852 --> 00:27:26,855
[♪ creepy music playing]

535
00:27:28,398 --> 00:27:30,442
It was definitely an endurance test.

536
00:27:30,526 --> 00:27:32,528
-[splashing]
-[groaning]

537
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,372
[Russ] Wall climb! Batman time!
Batman time!

538
00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:47,793
There is no EMTs. There are no medics.

539
00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:49,586
What happens if you're in a stunt,

540
00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:53,131
and somethin' happens to him,
and he's hurt? You could be tied up.

541
00:27:53,215 --> 00:27:56,677
Y-You're stuck, nobody's gonna find you.

542
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,971
-[haunter] Oh! No, you go in there!
-[Gabi screams]

543
00:27:59,054 --> 00:28:01,056
-[rustling]
-[haunter] Sit!

544
00:28:02,558 --> 00:28:06,019
Next thing I know, he grabs my chest
and dunks my head under water.

545
00:28:06,937 --> 00:28:08,397
And he holds my chest there.

546
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,982
♪♪

547
00:28:11,733 --> 00:28:13,735
I'm thinking, "If I just hold my breath

548
00:28:13,819 --> 00:28:15,779
"and don't think, stop moving,

549
00:28:15,863 --> 00:28:18,240
he'll eventually pull me back up",
which he does.

550
00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:20,325
And then I start gasping for air again.

551
00:28:20,409 --> 00:28:22,661
And then he does it
five or six more times.

552
00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:24,246
[dripping]

553
00:28:26,582 --> 00:28:28,417
[Gabi]
What if this isn't fake?

554
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,627
What if I'm really trapped
in this-this freezer now?

555
00:28:30,711 --> 00:28:34,047
Like, and I'm at this guy's house,
I don't know where I'm at location-wise.

556
00:28:34,131 --> 00:28:37,801
-[Gabi] [screams] Let me out!
-[haunter] [laughs] Louder!

557
00:28:37,885 --> 00:28:41,346
So, that just all happened in my mind,
and I just had a panic attack.

558
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:43,682
-Let me out!
-[haunter] You want out?

559
00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:47,186
-Oh, you crying? I think she was crying!
-[Gabi sniffling]

560
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:49,771
Oh, beautiful tears, yes!

561
00:28:50,647 --> 00:28:53,650
-Oh, look at this. Look at the camera.
-[sniffles]

562
00:28:53,734 --> 00:28:55,235
Look at camera!

563
00:28:56,612 --> 00:28:57,821
[crying] I wanna get out.

564
00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:01,867
[Russ] This is just the beginning.
You understand that, right?

565
00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:04,536
There's so many dark places
you're gonna go tonight.

566
00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:07,623
♪♪

567
00:29:09,124 --> 00:29:12,085
[Gabi] There's a certain point
where they put us in straitjackets

568
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:14,713
with chains over our neck,
and I was like, "Oh gosh,

569
00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:16,423
this is uncomfortable and it's heavy."

570
00:29:19,843 --> 00:29:22,804
And then that's when the
water boarding proceeded to happen.

571
00:29:22,888 --> 00:29:24,932
[Russ]
Put your head in there.

572
00:29:25,015 --> 00:29:27,017
[water splashing]

573
00:29:28,852 --> 00:29:29,978
[coughing]

574
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:32,272
[choking]

575
00:29:32,356 --> 00:29:35,734
[inaudible]

576
00:29:35,817 --> 00:29:39,613
[Gabi] I was like, "Oh, this is what
it means to be waterboarded.

577
00:29:39,696 --> 00:29:42,115
I feel like I'm drowning."

578
00:29:42,199 --> 00:29:43,367
[coughing]

579
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:46,662
[Russ] So, you're gonna have to be
looking for the big baby bottle.

580
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:49,081
-[splashing]
-Yeah, go.

581
00:29:49,164 --> 00:29:51,500
-[Melissa] Ew... Oh...
-[Russ] Get on your belly.

582
00:29:51,583 --> 00:29:53,961
-Get on your belly!
-[splashing]

583
00:29:54,044 --> 00:29:56,213
I'm terrified of spiders.
Like, to the point

584
00:29:56,296 --> 00:29:59,758
where if I even see one across the room,
I get, like, a rash, and I just get itchy

585
00:29:59,842 --> 00:30:02,302
'cause I just cannot stand them.
And he knew that.

586
00:30:02,386 --> 00:30:04,847
He asked me going in,
like, what my biggest fear was.

587
00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:07,933
♪♪

588
00:30:09,226 --> 00:30:12,688
-[Gabi whimpers]
-[Russ] [on TV] Shh. Don't make any noise.

589
00:30:12,771 --> 00:30:14,106
Shh...

590
00:30:14,189 --> 00:30:15,732
Don't make any quick motion.

591
00:30:15,816 --> 00:30:17,609
[Gabi] [on TV]
[sobs] Please, no.

592
00:30:17,693 --> 00:30:20,070
They were telling me that
the tarantula was mad,

593
00:30:20,153 --> 00:30:21,530
and I didn't know that, like,

594
00:30:21,613 --> 00:30:23,824
you're not supposed
to handle tarantulas like that.

595
00:30:23,907 --> 00:30:26,118
So he could-- the tarantula,
like, could've gotten mad

596
00:30:26,201 --> 00:30:28,579
and like, at me, and bit me, I guess.

597
00:30:28,662 --> 00:30:31,665
So they were like, "Don't cry.
Quit freaking out, don't cry."

598
00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:33,792
And I was like,
"You have a spider on my face.

599
00:30:33,876 --> 00:30:35,919
How am I not supposed to cry?"
And then he's like,

600
00:30:36,003 --> 00:30:37,212
"We're gonna do it anyway.

601
00:30:37,296 --> 00:30:39,047
So like, if you cry,
you're gonna get hurt."

602
00:30:39,131 --> 00:30:42,009
So like, in the video, I just froze.
I think I just like, stopped breathing,

603
00:30:42,092 --> 00:30:44,386
and I just, like, had an
out of body experience.

604
00:30:44,469 --> 00:30:46,805
[crying] Please don't. Please.

605
00:30:46,889 --> 00:30:50,058
[Russ] Look at her.
Look at her, Mary, look at her.

606
00:30:50,142 --> 00:30:52,436
-[Haunter Mary] Isn't she pretty?
-Please! [gasping]

607
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:55,189
-[Russ] Look at her.
-Please don't.

608
00:30:55,272 --> 00:30:57,316
-Please.
-[Haunter Mary] Oops. Oops.

609
00:30:57,399 --> 00:30:59,651
Please don't. Please don't. Please don't!

610
00:30:59,735 --> 00:31:01,820
-[Russ] Shh...
-[Gabi whimpering]

611
00:31:01,904 --> 00:31:04,489
It was, like, that moment that
it kind of shifted for me.

612
00:31:04,573 --> 00:31:08,327
[inaudible]

613
00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:11,038
[♪ tense music playing]

614
00:31:11,121 --> 00:31:12,456
[screams]

615
00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:15,000
I think I'd went seven, eight hours.

616
00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:16,835
-[splashing]
-[Melissa groaning]

617
00:31:16,919 --> 00:31:18,712
[Russ]
Find that baby bottle.

618
00:31:18,795 --> 00:31:19,838
[clicking]

619
00:31:20,756 --> 00:31:24,301
Alright, guys.
She's doing really good tonight.

620
00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:27,513
[Melissa] But, in that moment,
I'm like the celebrity.

621
00:31:27,596 --> 00:31:29,014
I have this huge fan base.

622
00:31:29,097 --> 00:31:31,517
That was big for me. That was huge.

623
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,603
She's a trooper,
and she wants to continue on, so,

624
00:31:34,686 --> 00:31:37,314
so we're just,
we're doing stuff right now.

625
00:31:37,397 --> 00:31:39,525
[Haunter Mary]
You're a rock star.

626
00:31:39,608 --> 00:31:42,027
He closed this cage gate on top of me,

627
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:44,029
and this water was freezing cold.

628
00:31:44,112 --> 00:31:46,198
And he said,

629
00:31:46,281 --> 00:31:49,284
"Okay, I'm gonna start
raising the water level."

630
00:31:49,368 --> 00:31:52,371
When I could start feeling the water rise
and when I remember

631
00:31:52,454 --> 00:31:54,706
I tried to put resistance on the cage,

632
00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:56,834
and I-- it wouldn't budge,

633
00:31:58,001 --> 00:32:00,254
that's when I just, I was like,
I'm done. I'm done.

634
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:05,759
-Exactly, exactly.
-I ended up quitting.

635
00:32:05,843 --> 00:32:09,179
-[Russ] You got punished here.
-[Haunter Mary] This is her punishment

636
00:32:09,263 --> 00:32:11,473
for not findin' the baby bottle.

637
00:32:11,557 --> 00:32:14,101
-[Russ] McKamey Manor just what?
-McKamey Manor just kicked my ass.

638
00:32:14,184 --> 00:32:15,602
-[Russ] And you quit.
-And I quit.

639
00:32:15,686 --> 00:32:19,147
-[Brandon] I didn't wanna die.
-[Gabi] [crying] I'm done.

640
00:32:19,231 --> 00:32:21,066
-[Russ] Tell me you quit.
-[Gabi] I quit.

641
00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:23,443
I don't wanna be
locked in the dark anymore.

642
00:32:23,527 --> 00:32:25,904
Russ is there the entire time,
recording it.

643
00:32:25,988 --> 00:32:29,408
And the joy and, like, pleasure

644
00:32:29,491 --> 00:32:33,078
that he was getting out of it
was extremely weird.

645
00:32:33,161 --> 00:32:35,247
You could see he was unfazed.

646
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:39,626
I'm here, bawling, I'm bleeding,
and you're just living your best life,

647
00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:42,462
trying to figure out how much
further you could take it.

648
00:32:42,546 --> 00:32:44,756
And I'm just-- that's concerning to me.

649
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,926
But in the moment, I was like,
"Oh, this is Russ, this is the guy.

650
00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:50,387
He has the camera on his head.
Let's do the tour."

651
00:32:50,929 --> 00:32:53,140
[Brandon]
Some of these other extreme haunts,

652
00:32:53,223 --> 00:32:56,977
the trust that I've given them
has not been broken.

653
00:32:57,060 --> 00:33:00,939
Even though I'm telling them to push,
even though I'm telling them

654
00:33:01,023 --> 00:33:04,776
to do worse and worse stuff to me,
I think, deep down,

655
00:33:05,485 --> 00:33:07,571
I know that they're not gonna kill me.

656
00:33:07,654 --> 00:33:10,240
You know,
I know they're not gonna cause

657
00:33:10,324 --> 00:33:13,410
permanent physical danger,

658
00:33:13,493 --> 00:33:17,372
but trust was broken with Russ McKamey.

659
00:33:17,456 --> 00:33:20,459
[♪ tense music playing]

660
00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:21,710
[inaudible]

661
00:33:22,252 --> 00:33:24,546
[Gabi] My experience was fucked up,
but I also am aware

662
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:27,090
that every experience after mine

663
00:33:27,174 --> 00:33:30,636
was a thousand times worse
because I think he did see

664
00:33:30,719 --> 00:33:33,931
that he kind of was able
to keep us for seven hours,

665
00:33:34,014 --> 00:33:37,476
and kind of do whatever he wanted,
and, like, we didn't do anything about it.

666
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,479
We just, like, left and said,
"Thanks so much, have a great time."

667
00:33:40,562 --> 00:33:43,482
So I think for him that was validation.
Like, "Oh, I could do more."

668
00:33:43,565 --> 00:33:45,067
[♪ dramatic music playing]

669
00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:49,029
[Russ] Hey, everybody, it's Russ. Coming
at you right here from McKamey Manor.

670
00:33:49,112 --> 00:33:53,575
[Brandon] Never come here.
Don't let-- Don't let anybody

671
00:33:53,659 --> 00:33:55,827
talk you into it or any of that

672
00:33:55,911 --> 00:33:58,622
because it's, um, it's brutal.

673
00:33:58,730 --> 00:34:00,208
[♪ dramatic sting]

674
00:34:00,290 --> 00:34:03,293
-[quiet street noise]
-[insects chirping]

675
00:34:06,088 --> 00:34:07,464
[Melissa]
The "why."

676
00:34:08,966 --> 00:34:10,968
[♪ unsettling music playing]

677
00:34:11,051 --> 00:34:14,054
[TV static]

678
00:34:15,806 --> 00:34:17,766
Everybody's always
gonna wonder the why,

679
00:34:17,850 --> 00:34:21,812
and the why is different for each
and every individual that goes through.

680
00:34:28,527 --> 00:34:30,028
My name is DJ Williams.

681
00:34:30,112 --> 00:34:33,115
I'm a full professor at
Idaho State University

682
00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:34,783
in Pocatello, Idaho.

683
00:34:34,867 --> 00:34:38,662
I was given the title Dr. Deviant
from a dominatrix who I mentored under.

684
00:34:40,163 --> 00:34:42,374
And my research covers sort of the range

685
00:34:42,457 --> 00:34:44,585
and spectrum of deviance and leisure,

686
00:34:44,668 --> 00:34:47,045
and that can include
a lot of different things.

687
00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:49,965
That can include criminal activity
as leisure.

688
00:34:50,048 --> 00:34:54,011
It can include BDSM
and sexuality as leisure.

689
00:34:54,887 --> 00:34:58,515
The extreme horror,
extreme experiences phenomenon,

690
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,393
definitely fits within the area
of deviant leisure.

691
00:35:02,686 --> 00:35:04,605
And it's hard for people to understand

692
00:35:04,688 --> 00:35:08,650
someone who is clearly an intense
sensation seeker or risk taker

693
00:35:08,734 --> 00:35:11,486
that those challenges are actual needs.

694
00:35:11,570 --> 00:35:14,907
And so, we need to have a space,
an, an acceptance for people

695
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:17,034
who are craving those kinds of needs.

696
00:35:17,117 --> 00:35:20,162
So, I think it's easy for, sometimes
people to kinda sit back and say,

697
00:35:20,245 --> 00:35:24,082
"Why would somebody do this?
There must be something wrong with them."

698
00:35:24,166 --> 00:35:26,627
And that's not the case, necessarily.

699
00:35:27,002 --> 00:35:29,755
♪♪

700
00:35:29,838 --> 00:35:32,591
[Gabi]
I grew up in private Christian school.

701
00:35:32,674 --> 00:35:35,344
I grew up hearing if you lie,
you're gonna go to Hell.

702
00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:37,554
And it wasn't just, like,
you're gonna go to Hell.

703
00:35:37,638 --> 00:35:41,016
It's like, "Your skin is gonna burn off,
and your eyes are gonna melt."

704
00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:42,351
And I'm, like, 5.

705
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,314
I am queer, so being Black-queer
in a space like that,

706
00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,608
was really hard to
navigate as, like, a young kid.

707
00:35:49,691 --> 00:35:52,402
It's, like, pro-conversion therapy,
"Let's get that out of you.

708
00:35:52,486 --> 00:35:54,863
This isn't natural.
You're living a life of sin."

709
00:35:54,947 --> 00:35:57,950
So just growing up hearing that,
I didn't even know that it was okay.

710
00:35:58,033 --> 00:35:59,910
I didn't even know what queer was.

711
00:35:59,993 --> 00:36:02,454
I just knew that, like,
I was really different.

712
00:36:02,538 --> 00:36:05,207
I just knew that it was bad and evil.

713
00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:08,460
To this day, like, I have anxiety 24/7,

714
00:36:08,544 --> 00:36:10,671
so, like, even right now,
my heart's like... [exhales].

715
00:36:10,754 --> 00:36:13,549
It used to be so bad where
I couldn't go to the grocery store,

716
00:36:13,632 --> 00:36:15,050
I would just like sit in my car

717
00:36:15,133 --> 00:36:17,553
'cause just I felt
too overwhelmed with everything.

718
00:36:17,636 --> 00:36:20,973
So, when I watch a horror film,
I have that same feeling,

719
00:36:21,056 --> 00:36:24,309
but it's safely on my couch,
and it makes sense.

720
00:36:24,393 --> 00:36:25,394
♪♪

721
00:36:25,477 --> 00:36:28,480
It's like, oh, there's a guy
with a chainsaw on the TV,

722
00:36:28,564 --> 00:36:29,857
like, gonna hurt somebody.

723
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:31,984
There's a reason
to be anxious in this moment.

724
00:36:32,901 --> 00:36:34,695
Which is why I started looking into

725
00:36:34,778 --> 00:36:37,030
the whole immersive horror
experience thing.

726
00:36:37,114 --> 00:36:39,992
So, I was like,
"What if I live through something crazy"

727
00:36:40,075 --> 00:36:43,120
and then I know that I can
do anything going forward.

728
00:36:43,203 --> 00:36:44,580
It reminds me, "Hey,

729
00:36:44,663 --> 00:36:48,250
"I just went through
this series of events,

730
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:49,543
and I survived."

731
00:36:49,626 --> 00:36:53,172
[insects chirping]

732
00:36:54,173 --> 00:36:56,800
As a young child,

733
00:36:57,593 --> 00:37:00,387
I dealt with an abusive mother.

734
00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:01,513
♪♪

735
00:37:01,597 --> 00:37:04,391
Being put into a foster home
at such a young age

736
00:37:04,474 --> 00:37:06,852
was very, very traumatic.

737
00:37:07,603 --> 00:37:11,398
It was scary having to go through
people and people and people,

738
00:37:11,481 --> 00:37:15,485
and tell the same story over
and over again of what happened.

739
00:37:15,569 --> 00:37:17,404
To be one day ripped apart

740
00:37:17,487 --> 00:37:20,073
from everyone you know and everything.

741
00:37:20,157 --> 00:37:23,076
To be told you're taken to a safer place,

742
00:37:24,036 --> 00:37:27,998
and the place you're going to
is just full of unknown and uncertainty,

743
00:37:28,081 --> 00:37:31,084
and it just breaks a part of you inside.

744
00:37:32,336 --> 00:37:35,339
I feel like I do these things
to remind myself

745
00:37:35,422 --> 00:37:38,133
that I'm strong, and I'm a survivor,

746
00:37:38,217 --> 00:37:40,677
and I can get through a lot of shit.

747
00:37:40,761 --> 00:37:43,055
♪♪

748
00:37:43,138 --> 00:37:45,057
[W.P.]
A lot of people go through

749
00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:47,184
really traumatic situations,

750
00:37:47,267 --> 00:37:50,771
and they find something to fill this gap.

751
00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:54,816
And I would see the progress of making it
through something that's terrible

752
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:57,611
and-and using it to the
advantage of yourself.

753
00:37:59,738 --> 00:38:00,989
[♪ dramatic crescendo]

754
00:38:02,407 --> 00:38:06,620
It sounds like there's a lot of,
kind of pushing, or here's an edge,

755
00:38:06,703 --> 00:38:08,872
but then, "Okay,
I can go beyond that edge.

756
00:38:08,956 --> 00:38:11,416
I just accomplished this.
I guess let's take it further."

757
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:15,170
Like, I feel like I need--
Like, I need that type of punishment.

758
00:38:15,254 --> 00:38:16,463
Mm-hmm.

759
00:38:16,547 --> 00:38:18,549
Like it's something that--

760
00:38:19,508 --> 00:38:21,635
it's something that I feel like I deserve.

761
00:38:21,718 --> 00:38:23,554
[♪ soft music playing]

762
00:38:23,637 --> 00:38:26,640
When I got back,
I was a completely different person.

763
00:38:26,723 --> 00:38:29,393
Okay and that was after you came back
from the military, right?

764
00:38:29,476 --> 00:38:31,061
Yes, that was after my

765
00:38:31,144 --> 00:38:32,729
-third tour in Iraq.
-Okay.

766
00:38:32,813 --> 00:38:36,984
I didn't see here as home.
This wasn't home to me anymore.

767
00:38:38,277 --> 00:38:40,779
I think I knew I had PTSD.

768
00:38:40,863 --> 00:38:43,365
I sure as hell didn't think
I had survivor's guilt,

769
00:38:43,448 --> 00:38:46,118
but one of the things I did is,

770
00:38:46,201 --> 00:38:48,537
I started giving away body parts.

771
00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:50,038
I gave my kidney away.

772
00:38:50,122 --> 00:38:53,667
I was also signed up to give
a piece of my liver away.

773
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:56,670
And I also signed up
for the bone marrow transplant list.

774
00:38:56,753 --> 00:38:58,505
[♪ tense music playing]

775
00:38:58,589 --> 00:39:00,716
I was gonna give away as much as I could.

776
00:39:02,050 --> 00:39:04,219
I didn't see any purpose anymore.

777
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:08,557
There's parts of me that
are essentially broken, you know,

778
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,059
and, emotionally, mentally, physically,
what have you.

779
00:39:11,143 --> 00:39:14,313
[Dr. Lindsay Bira]
It's not a bad thing to push the limits

780
00:39:14,396 --> 00:39:17,065
or to, you know, have a very real
human experience

781
00:39:17,149 --> 00:39:19,318
or to explore the edges
of human experience.

782
00:39:19,401 --> 00:39:22,237
I think that's actually an awesome thing.

783
00:39:22,321 --> 00:39:25,824
But, you are desensitizing yourself
to those natural cues,

784
00:39:25,908 --> 00:39:28,911
where your brain and your body
is saying, "This is my limit."

785
00:39:30,204 --> 00:39:31,288
Yeah.

786
00:39:31,371 --> 00:39:34,166
[Dr. Bira] That's something
really good to think about.

787
00:39:35,167 --> 00:39:38,170
Well, I mean, I just look
at those ultra-marathon runners, right?

788
00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:42,174
They punish their body.
Their feet are torn to pieces, you know?

789
00:39:42,257 --> 00:39:45,677
It's all in the name of,
you know, self-improvement.

790
00:39:48,138 --> 00:39:50,557
[Dr. Deviant]
You have big wave surfers,

791
00:39:50,641 --> 00:39:54,019
you have freestyle mountain climbers
who use no safety gear,

792
00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:56,104
deep ocean divers,

793
00:39:56,188 --> 00:39:58,482
and they're constantly pushing that edge.

794
00:39:58,565 --> 00:40:00,442
[Brandon]
Why is this any different?

795
00:40:00,526 --> 00:40:03,487
I could never run an ultra marathon.
I know I can't.

796
00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:05,656
But, I can, I can get tortured
for 12 hours.

797
00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:07,574
[Russ]
The fun has just begun.

798
00:40:07,658 --> 00:40:11,286
So far, what you've endured
is nothing compared to the last half.

799
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:14,581
-[♪ dramatic music playing]
-[whimpering]

800
00:40:14,665 --> 00:40:18,168
[speaker 6]
Torture is the intentional infliction

801
00:40:18,252 --> 00:40:22,172
of serious or severe pain
and suffering

802
00:40:22,256 --> 00:40:24,383
-on a person...
-[dripping]

803
00:40:24,466 --> 00:40:26,552
...for the purpose of punishment

804
00:40:26,635 --> 00:40:29,096
or to force them to do or say something.

805
00:40:31,265 --> 00:40:32,891
My name is Alka Pradhan.

806
00:40:32,975 --> 00:40:36,061
I'm a human rights attorney
practicing at Guantanamo Bay

807
00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:38,355
and before the International
Criminal Court.

808
00:40:38,438 --> 00:40:41,733
And my expertise is in
working with torture victims.

809
00:40:42,693 --> 00:40:47,322
And in my work at Guantanamo Bay,
I'm employed by the Department of Defense.

810
00:40:47,406 --> 00:40:49,950
And so, nothing I say represents

811
00:40:50,033 --> 00:40:52,327
the opinion of the Department of Defense.

812
00:40:52,411 --> 00:40:55,789
And nothing I say should be taken
to confirm or deny any information

813
00:40:55,873 --> 00:40:58,917
that the Department of Defense
considers to be classified.

814
00:40:59,001 --> 00:41:02,963
Personally, I am really repulsed

815
00:41:03,046 --> 00:41:07,009
by the idea of anyone using torture

816
00:41:07,092 --> 00:41:10,304
or acts that simulate torture

817
00:41:10,387 --> 00:41:13,182
in a way that is entertaining.

818
00:41:13,265 --> 00:41:14,766
[lock clicking]

819
00:41:15,392 --> 00:41:18,353
Nothing about torture is entertaining.

820
00:41:18,437 --> 00:41:21,690
Undergoing torture doesn't
really strengthen you.

821
00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:23,275
If it doesn't kill people,

822
00:41:23,358 --> 00:41:26,236
it affects them for the entirety
of their lives.

823
00:41:27,279 --> 00:41:29,948
The first thing to keep in mind is that

824
00:41:30,866 --> 00:41:32,367
♪♪

825
00:41:32,451 --> 00:41:34,286
all torture has
psychological effects.

826
00:41:34,536 --> 00:41:38,290
Even if you consent
to some aspect of that,

827
00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:40,709
the fear created in your mind,

828
00:41:41,835 --> 00:41:45,297
what psychologists often call
"uncontrollable stress,"

829
00:41:46,048 --> 00:41:48,342
can literally change your neural pathways.

830
00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:51,595
And it's something that is
almost impossible to remove.

831
00:41:51,678 --> 00:41:53,805
[♪ dramatic music playing]

832
00:41:55,057 --> 00:41:57,851
[Russ] So, did-did you expect
all that after, you know?

833
00:41:57,935 --> 00:42:01,188
Well, I expected it to be rough,
but I didn't expect to actually cry.

834
00:42:01,271 --> 00:42:04,900
[♪ dramatic crescendo]

835
00:42:05,317 --> 00:42:08,070
-[Russ] Yeah, you did cry.
-[Gabi] Yeah, like five times.

836
00:42:09,238 --> 00:42:11,240
[♪ soft ominous tone]

837
00:42:11,323 --> 00:42:14,785
[Gabi] Russ posted my video on YouTube,
and it went super viral.

838
00:42:15,786 --> 00:42:19,748
[♪ dissonant chords playing]

839
00:42:20,749 --> 00:42:22,918
A few months after going through it,

840
00:42:23,001 --> 00:42:25,337
I, so bad, just wanted to be involved

841
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:27,339
with, like, anything to do with horror.

842
00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:30,425
Whether it was, like, acting
or, like, writing or anything.

843
00:42:31,426 --> 00:42:33,095
And Russ saw that.

844
00:42:34,012 --> 00:42:37,641
And I ended up running his Facebook group,
I was running his YouTube channel,

845
00:42:37,724 --> 00:42:40,310
I was running his Twitter.
I was like his little assistant.

846
00:42:40,394 --> 00:42:43,063
Get people into the haunt, hype it up.

847
00:42:43,146 --> 00:42:45,274
If people were talking
negatively about it,

848
00:42:45,357 --> 00:42:47,276
I was supposed to, like, undercut them.

849
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:50,195
Be like, "No, like, I've met Russ.
He's, like, such a great guy."

850
00:42:50,279 --> 00:42:53,407
So, I was just supposed to
be his, like, wingman.

851
00:42:54,658 --> 00:42:57,911
But then, I started to
get some weird feelings.

852
00:42:57,995 --> 00:42:59,746
Um,

853
00:42:59,830 --> 00:43:03,292
I'm just gonna keep this short.
It's actually hard to talk.

854
00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:07,337
As you can see,
my lips are severely swollen.

855
00:43:07,421 --> 00:43:09,631
He likes men that have
been in the military.

856
00:43:09,715 --> 00:43:13,468
I think Russ really got off
on, like, the power dynamic with the men.

857
00:43:13,552 --> 00:43:16,013
[muffled screaming]

858
00:43:16,096 --> 00:43:18,098
There are some tours where

859
00:43:18,182 --> 00:43:21,435
the way that they were
beat up was just too-- like, too far.

860
00:43:21,518 --> 00:43:24,062
Like, broken ribs, concussions,

861
00:43:24,146 --> 00:43:26,398
like, eyes so swollen that
they can't even open 'em.

862
00:43:26,481 --> 00:43:29,109
[♪ tense music playing]

863
00:43:29,193 --> 00:43:30,611
And I think for him, it's power.

864
00:43:30,694 --> 00:43:33,405
Like, "This guy was in the Marines?
Like, look at me kicking his ass."

865
00:43:38,035 --> 00:43:41,330
-And then, like, vulnerable women.
-No, Russ, that water freaks me out.

866
00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:43,582
-You know that! I hate--
-[water hose hissing]

867
00:43:43,665 --> 00:43:45,709
[crying] Please! Please, don't!

868
00:43:45,792 --> 00:43:48,629
Russ feels that if you go
through one of his experiences,

869
00:43:48,712 --> 00:43:52,049
especially if you're female,
you now have a special bond with Russ.

870
00:43:52,132 --> 00:43:55,552
He really only wanted, like, pretty girls.

871
00:43:55,636 --> 00:43:57,137
[rattling]

872
00:43:57,221 --> 00:43:59,556
No. No! No.

873
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,225
[Russ]
Honey, be quiet.

874
00:44:01,308 --> 00:44:03,560
[rattling]

875
00:44:03,644 --> 00:44:07,606
You knew when he had a new girlfriend
because it was nonstop shows.

876
00:44:07,689 --> 00:44:10,234
He would have them come to his house,

877
00:44:10,317 --> 00:44:12,402
and he would just make them

878
00:44:12,486 --> 00:44:14,905
continuously go through a tour

879
00:44:14,988 --> 00:44:16,698
every day that they were with him.

880
00:44:16,782 --> 00:44:19,409
♪♪

881
00:44:19,493 --> 00:44:22,412
-[whimpering, sobbing]
-[Kris] For some reasons, he feels like

882
00:44:22,496 --> 00:44:24,706
with these women he can go an extra step,

883
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:28,293
and that safety harness just
gets removed a little more.

884
00:44:28,377 --> 00:44:31,755
[Susan] Things like laying in the grass
with a ski mask on my face,

885
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:33,924
getting sprayed with water over and over,

886
00:44:34,007 --> 00:44:37,094
or submerging into cold water
over and over.

887
00:44:37,177 --> 00:44:38,887
And in one particular activity,

888
00:44:38,971 --> 00:44:41,723
I confessed that I was
actually afraid of dying.

889
00:44:41,807 --> 00:44:44,852
And he laughed and said that if I died,

890
00:44:44,935 --> 00:44:46,478
at least I would be on camera.

891
00:44:46,562 --> 00:44:48,397
♪♪

892
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,607
[Kris]
These are really good-looking women.

893
00:44:50,691 --> 00:44:52,818
And you got this guy
who lives in a trailer

894
00:44:52,901 --> 00:44:54,903
that sprays you in the face with a hose.

895
00:44:54,987 --> 00:44:58,740
What is he doing to keep 'em to stay?

896
00:44:59,324 --> 00:45:01,285
-I don't know.
-[Russ] I like that.

897
00:45:01,368 --> 00:45:04,371
-[dog barking]
-[Russ] There she is!

898
00:45:04,454 --> 00:45:07,457
There she is! The pretty one right there.

899
00:45:07,541 --> 00:45:09,710
[Brandon]
McKamey Manor was "Tinder" to him.

900
00:45:09,793 --> 00:45:11,128
Was his "Plenty of Fish."

901
00:45:11,211 --> 00:45:14,214
That's what he used it for.
That's the impression that I got.

902
00:45:14,298 --> 00:45:16,383
You can do this.
Put your head up, please.

903
00:45:17,843 --> 00:45:20,012
You got this, okay? You got it.

904
00:45:20,095 --> 00:45:24,016
He was my friend. Like, I don't want
to think that he would actually

905
00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:27,686
purposely manipulate
these women, but he does.

906
00:45:27,769 --> 00:45:30,272
Show 'em what you got in your mouth.

907
00:45:30,355 --> 00:45:32,941
-Ah, ah, ah! [giggle]
-That's right.

908
00:45:33,025 --> 00:45:35,819
-Come here, and you can wear that, too.
-Yep!

909
00:45:35,903 --> 00:45:37,988
He knows how to get into people's heads,

910
00:45:38,071 --> 00:45:42,075
he knows the right thing to say,
he can read a person really good.

911
00:45:42,492 --> 00:45:45,204
I've seen Russ talk to a person

912
00:45:45,287 --> 00:45:48,415
that hates everything about the haunt,

913
00:45:48,498 --> 00:45:50,667
and turn them into a friend by the end

914
00:45:50,751 --> 00:45:52,169
and wanting to sign up.

915
00:45:52,252 --> 00:45:55,047
He-He is so good at what he does.

916
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:57,966
Yeah, I'm that big crazy
haunted house guy! That's me!

917
00:45:58,050 --> 00:46:00,886
-[girlfriend laughs]
-Are you scared of me?

918
00:46:00,969 --> 00:46:02,554
I'm pretty scary, aren't I?

919
00:46:02,638 --> 00:46:05,849
-[♪ soft music playing]
-[TV static]

920
00:46:05,933 --> 00:46:08,519
[Kris] You know, he would try
to manipulate me, too.

921
00:46:09,728 --> 00:46:12,231
-[indistinct sound]
-[water splashing]

922
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:14,983
When I went through,

923
00:46:15,984 --> 00:46:19,947
Russ had me sit back in, like, a trough.

924
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:22,241
-[clattering]
-[shivering]

925
00:46:22,324 --> 00:46:24,993
-[Russ] Yeah. You like that?
-[Kris] No.

926
00:46:26,078 --> 00:46:30,332
[Russ] We're gonna fill up this entire
little device right here.

927
00:46:30,415 --> 00:46:32,417
[water dripping]

928
00:46:32,501 --> 00:46:34,586
And we're gonna have a good time, Kris.

929
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:36,255
-[Kris groans]
-Oh, yeah.

930
00:46:36,338 --> 00:46:40,759
When I started to realize that I was
having the dirt poured over my face...

931
00:46:40,843 --> 00:46:43,887
-No, no, no, no, no.
-[Russ sighs]

932
00:46:43,971 --> 00:46:45,681
-[Kris groans]
-How's that feel?

933
00:46:45,764 --> 00:46:46,765
[Kris]
No, no, no, no.

934
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:49,184
...and then you're thinking,
"Russ is my friend."

935
00:46:49,268 --> 00:46:52,312
You know, "He's-He's just gonna make
it look good for the camera."

936
00:46:53,021 --> 00:46:54,523
But then, he didn't stop.

937
00:46:54,606 --> 00:46:56,942
-No, no, no, no, no... [continues]
-[Russ] Who's your friend?

938
00:46:57,025 --> 00:46:58,861
-Quiet, shut up. Shut up.
-[Kris stops]

939
00:46:58,944 --> 00:47:00,529
And I can't even tell you

940
00:47:00,612 --> 00:47:03,532
the amount of times in that video
that I said "Stop."

941
00:47:03,615 --> 00:47:05,868
-[Russ] We're gonna bury you completely.
-[digs]

942
00:47:05,951 --> 00:47:08,245
[Kris] Mm-mm. No,
I can't do it. Can't do it.

943
00:47:08,328 --> 00:47:10,622
-No, I can't do it.
-[Russ] You gotta be quiet.

944
00:47:10,706 --> 00:47:12,749
-Be quiet!
-[Kris] No, I'm freaking out.

945
00:47:12,833 --> 00:47:15,043
-[Russ] You're not freaking out.
-[Kris] [spits] No!

946
00:47:15,127 --> 00:47:17,504
I was done. Game over.

947
00:47:17,588 --> 00:47:20,716
And it just kept going
and going and going.

948
00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:23,760
And in that moment,
I didn't know if it was gonna stop.

949
00:47:23,844 --> 00:47:25,971
[Russ] We have hours
and hours to go, Kris.

950
00:47:26,054 --> 00:47:27,848
[Kris]
No, no, no. Russ, no.

951
00:47:27,931 --> 00:47:29,766
-No more, no more.
-[Russ] You're fine.

952
00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:31,727
-Be quiet.
-[Kris] I quit, I quit.

953
00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:33,604
[Russ] You don't quit.
There is no quitting.

954
00:47:33,687 --> 00:47:35,689
-[Kris] [spits] No.
-[Russ] There is no quitting, Kris.

955
00:47:35,772 --> 00:47:38,233
I-I started to question,
"Is this the end?"

956
00:47:38,317 --> 00:47:39,610
I-I can't get out of this.

957
00:47:39,693 --> 00:47:42,905
I was stuck in a spot that
I was not moving from.

958
00:47:42,988 --> 00:47:45,490
[Russ]
I wanna bury you completely. Completely.

959
00:47:45,574 --> 00:47:48,118
[Kris]
No, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.

960
00:47:48,202 --> 00:47:50,662
-Russ, I can't. Russ, I can't.
-[Russ yells, laughs]

961
00:47:50,746 --> 00:47:53,624
-I quit. Russ, I quit. I can't.
-[Russ] There's no quitting.

962
00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:56,043
-[Kris] Russ, I-- [spits]
-[Russ] Ooh there!

963
00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:59,713
That doubt starts to seep into your head,
and you're thinkin',

964
00:47:59,796 --> 00:48:02,382
"I didn't say goodbye to people.
Why did I come here?

965
00:48:02,466 --> 00:48:04,593
"Why did I go against that
better judgment?

966
00:48:04,676 --> 00:48:08,639
Am I finally gonna be the one
that the line is crossed for?"

967
00:48:10,724 --> 00:48:12,351
You really don't wanna do this.

968
00:48:12,434 --> 00:48:14,728
[Kris panting]

969
00:48:15,062 --> 00:48:17,981
[Russ] So tell the folks about
whether they should come here or not.

970
00:48:18,065 --> 00:48:20,275
[Kris] No, don't go.
Don't come here. Don't sign up.

971
00:48:20,359 --> 00:48:23,195
[Russ] Yeah, sign up. It's fun.
Come on down. Good times for everybody.

972
00:48:23,278 --> 00:48:25,155
-[Kris] No, it's not.
-[Russ] Yes, it is!

973
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,201
[mud gurgling]

974
00:48:29,284 --> 00:48:32,287
[♪ tense music playing]

975
00:48:33,956 --> 00:48:36,834
-[wind blowing]
-[birds cawing]

976
00:48:36,917 --> 00:48:39,962
[Russ] You know, what I really enjoy
is making my little movies.

977
00:48:42,047 --> 00:48:44,508
So, in a way,
I'm a little filmmaker as well.

978
00:48:44,591 --> 00:48:45,843
[♪ dramatic crescendo]

979
00:48:45,926 --> 00:48:48,929
[projector whirring]

980
00:48:55,561 --> 00:49:00,691
[Carol] He works on those videos,
it seems like 24/7.

981
00:49:00,774 --> 00:49:04,736
And so, I constantly hear
screaming all night long.

982
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:05,946
[screaming]

983
00:49:06,029 --> 00:49:07,155
[inaudible]

984
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,158
[Russ] People tell me this is fake.
Is this fake right now?

985
00:49:10,242 --> 00:49:13,453
-[participant] No, sir, it's not fake.
-[distorted yell]

986
00:49:13,537 --> 00:49:16,331
[Russ] If you ever question
if we're real or not,

987
00:49:16,415 --> 00:49:18,750
just watch the movies

988
00:49:18,834 --> 00:49:20,878
and watch how these people end up.

989
00:49:20,961 --> 00:49:23,172
[on TV] I quit! I quit! I quit! I quit!

990
00:49:23,255 --> 00:49:24,298
[muffled yelling]

991
00:49:24,381 --> 00:49:27,926
[Russ] You'll see individuals
literally in shock.

992
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:30,512
[on TV] I can't do it,
I can't do it, I can't do it. [gasps]

993
00:49:30,596 --> 00:49:32,848
[Russ] You'll see them
mumbling to themselves,

994
00:49:32,931 --> 00:49:36,143
not knowing what date it is,
not knowing who the president is.

995
00:49:36,226 --> 00:49:38,979
[Russ] [on TV] Who's our first president?
Quick, hurry up.

996
00:49:39,062 --> 00:49:41,273
-I don't know!
-[♪ dramatic crescendo]

997
00:49:42,399 --> 00:49:45,944
That camera. When that camera's in front,
your limits are gone.

998
00:49:46,028 --> 00:49:48,155
-[Russ] Put your head down.
-[Kris] Anything that you sign,

999
00:49:48,238 --> 00:49:49,990
thinkin' that you were getting into

1000
00:49:50,073 --> 00:49:52,826
and those were the rules
that were set in place,

1001
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:56,872
they don't exist.
He wants that Kodak moment.

1002
00:49:56,955 --> 00:50:01,168
He wants to be able to see that true fear,
when that person thinks,

1003
00:50:01,251 --> 00:50:04,087
"I'm gonna be the first person
to die at McKamey Manor."

1004
00:50:12,137 --> 00:50:13,764
So,

1005
00:50:13,847 --> 00:50:15,432
it was a person,

1006
00:50:15,516 --> 00:50:18,519
they sent me photos I hadn't seen.

1007
00:50:18,602 --> 00:50:19,811
♪♪

1008
00:50:19,895 --> 00:50:22,689
And it was the photos of Lori.

1009
00:50:22,773 --> 00:50:24,775
[♪ dramatic music playing]

1010
00:50:26,860 --> 00:50:30,822
I'm seein' this girl that was just beaten,
like a gang initiation.

1011
00:50:30,906 --> 00:50:33,617
[clock ticking]

1012
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:36,578
And that's when I said,
"Why did you let that go?"

1013
00:50:37,996 --> 00:50:39,248
And the answer I got was,

1014
00:50:39,331 --> 00:50:42,292
"You'd be surprised what you would do
to get the right shot."

1015
00:50:42,376 --> 00:50:44,211
[♪ dramatic sting]

1016
00:50:44,294 --> 00:50:47,881
When I saw these pictures of Lori,
I-I couldn't do it anymore.

1017
00:50:47,965 --> 00:50:48,966
[♪ dramatic sting]

1018
00:50:49,883 --> 00:50:50,884
[♪ dramatic sting]

1019
00:50:51,844 --> 00:50:52,845
[♪ dramatic sting]

1020
00:50:53,804 --> 00:50:56,765
[♪ dramatic crescendo]

1021
00:51:00,018 --> 00:51:02,229
-[Russ] [on TV] No?
-[Gabi] [on TV] I hate it.

1022
00:51:03,063 --> 00:51:04,898
[Russ]
You hate it? Well,

1023
00:51:04,982 --> 00:51:07,317
-hold still, my dear.
-No!

1024
00:51:08,861 --> 00:51:10,153
[haunters gasp]

1025
00:51:11,238 --> 00:51:13,740
[haunter]
Oh... God.

1026
00:51:13,824 --> 00:51:16,618
-And just for safe--
-[Gabi whimpers]

1027
00:51:16,702 --> 00:51:19,121
[on TV] Don't cry, you're still beautiful.

1028
00:51:21,248 --> 00:51:24,042
Gosh. I had no idea what
I was getting myself into.

1029
00:51:26,962 --> 00:51:29,173
I don't know how
he's able to legally do this

1030
00:51:29,256 --> 00:51:31,175
because I don't feel like it's legal.

1031
00:51:35,596 --> 00:51:38,640
Yeah, absolutely. I--
Whenever he's physically abusing

1032
00:51:38,724 --> 00:51:40,934
the females who he entraps in his house.

1033
00:51:41,018 --> 00:51:42,477
How far can we take it?

1034
00:51:42,561 --> 00:51:44,479
I don't think I could legally sue him.

1035
00:51:44,563 --> 00:51:47,024
We signed agreements.
We're consenting adults.

1036
00:51:54,823 --> 00:51:57,075
I don't think there was ever a time
where I was like, I don't--

1037
00:51:57,159 --> 00:51:59,203
Maybe the spider. But,

1038
00:51:59,286 --> 00:52:01,663
I don't think I made it clear
with anything else

1039
00:52:01,747 --> 00:52:03,498
that I was, like, not consenting.

1040
00:52:03,582 --> 00:52:05,626
I didn't really feel like I
could say that, though,

1041
00:52:05,709 --> 00:52:07,044
'cause I signed the waiver.

1042
00:52:07,127 --> 00:52:10,631
So I think signing the waiver, I just felt
like, I was obligated to stay in it.

1043
00:52:11,173 --> 00:52:12,883
[♪ eerie sting]

1044
00:52:12,966 --> 00:52:15,344
We all agreed to it.

1045
00:52:15,928 --> 00:52:17,930
[♪ eerie sting]

1046
00:52:19,223 --> 00:52:22,434
[inaudible]

1047
00:52:29,441 --> 00:52:31,568
There may be an element of shame

1048
00:52:31,652 --> 00:52:34,947
in the fact that you signed up
for this experience, um,

1049
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:37,741
and this sense that you kind of
brought it on yourself.

1050
00:52:37,824 --> 00:52:41,453
But, under the law, even if
they have signed a waiver,

1051
00:52:42,621 --> 00:52:46,124
they may still have recourse
for what was done to them.

1052
00:52:46,208 --> 00:52:49,169
[♪ soft music playing]

1053
00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:51,213
We tend to be pretty liberal
in the United States

1054
00:52:51,296 --> 00:52:52,923
about what you can consent to.

1055
00:52:55,217 --> 00:52:57,886
It is certainly possible when you attend,
for example,

1056
00:52:57,970 --> 00:53:01,265
a haunted house,
to consent to certain acts

1057
00:53:01,348 --> 00:53:05,185
that may cause fear
or that may even touch you

1058
00:53:05,269 --> 00:53:09,189
in what would otherwise be considered
offensive contact or battery.

1059
00:53:09,273 --> 00:53:12,568
[overlapping screaming]

1060
00:53:12,651 --> 00:53:16,572
But, the line is drawn
when something constitutes

1061
00:53:16,655 --> 00:53:18,073
serious bodily injury.

1062
00:53:18,156 --> 00:53:20,534
Examples of that would be

1063
00:53:20,617 --> 00:53:22,369
traumatic brain injuries,

1064
00:53:22,452 --> 00:53:23,954
fractures,

1065
00:53:24,037 --> 00:53:25,372
back injuries,

1066
00:53:25,455 --> 00:53:29,042
and psychological injuries
that require prolonged treatment.

1067
00:53:29,126 --> 00:53:34,214
So, it is simply not possible
for someone to say,

1068
00:53:34,298 --> 00:53:38,760
"Yes, I am okay with permanent physical
or psychological damage.

1069
00:53:38,844 --> 00:53:39,928
♪♪

1070
00:53:40,012 --> 00:53:42,014
Even if they say that,

1071
00:53:42,097 --> 00:53:45,100
under the law, that cannot be valid.

1072
00:53:45,726 --> 00:53:49,563
But, the other aspect of it
is that it's a violation of your consent.

1073
00:53:49,646 --> 00:53:52,149
If, for example, your mouth is covered,

1074
00:53:52,232 --> 00:53:53,859
so you cannot say the safe word,

1075
00:53:53,942 --> 00:53:56,695
or the circumstances in that situation

1076
00:53:56,778 --> 00:54:00,115
are such that you really
couldn't reasonably be expected

1077
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,659
to remember or be able
to say a safe word,

1078
00:54:02,743 --> 00:54:07,164
but are acting in other ways that make it
very clear that you've withdrawn consent.

1079
00:54:07,247 --> 00:54:10,083
[participant] Please, sir,
I don't wanna do this anymore, sir!

1080
00:54:10,167 --> 00:54:12,794
Then, I think the proprietor
may have a real problem.

1081
00:54:12,878 --> 00:54:15,881
[♪ dramatic music building]

1082
00:54:19,259 --> 00:54:20,928
[buzzing, zap]

1083
00:54:25,641 --> 00:54:28,352
I would love to see
the manor just go away.

1084
00:54:28,894 --> 00:54:31,897
[Gabi] I would love to sit down
with everybody that's done it

1085
00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:34,775
and just kind of band together and
figure out how we can make change

1086
00:54:34,858 --> 00:54:36,318
and, like, stop him.

1087
00:54:36,401 --> 00:54:39,071
And even if jail isn't where
he ends up, that's fine.

1088
00:54:39,154 --> 00:54:41,323
Like, he just shouldn't
be doing what he's doing.

1089
00:54:41,406 --> 00:54:42,574
[buzzing]

1090
00:54:42,658 --> 00:54:46,328
[Kris] Once the fans are able
to see Russ in his true form,

1091
00:54:47,913 --> 00:54:49,540
I'm hoping the following's gone.

1092
00:54:49,623 --> 00:54:52,167
And when the following's gone,
the manor's gone.

1093
00:54:52,251 --> 00:54:55,254
-[♪ tense music playing]
-[Brandon] The way that you stop him

1094
00:54:56,046 --> 00:54:59,967
is to make sure the truth
is actually known.

1095
00:55:06,431 --> 00:55:08,100
[speaker 7]
I wanted to do something.

1096
00:55:08,183 --> 00:55:09,893
But I didn't know what kind of trouble

1097
00:55:09,977 --> 00:55:12,855
I was gonna get into
from getting into somebody's emails.

1098
00:55:18,068 --> 00:55:19,444
[speaker 7]
Definitely.

1099
00:55:24,366 --> 00:55:26,159
It's gonna be worth it in the end.

1100
00:55:30,163 --> 00:55:32,833
One day, I was bored.
I was looking up on the internet,

1101
00:55:32,916 --> 00:55:36,170
"Haunted houses that pay you
for going through them."

1102
00:55:36,253 --> 00:55:38,964
And I seen this haunted house
will give you $20,000

1103
00:55:39,047 --> 00:55:40,924
if you make it through it.

1104
00:55:41,008 --> 00:55:43,051
I just got married, I had an apartment,

1105
00:55:43,135 --> 00:55:45,929
and, um, I was like, "Man,
$20,000 is a lot of money."

1106
00:55:46,013 --> 00:55:48,182
So, I could use that, and there's no way

1107
00:55:48,265 --> 00:55:49,933
I was not gonna get that $20,000.

1108
00:55:50,017 --> 00:55:52,227
-His hands are shaking.
-[haunter] Oh, I know.

1109
00:55:52,311 --> 00:55:53,520
-He is shaking, isn't he?
-[haunter] Oh, yeah.

1110
00:55:53,604 --> 00:55:56,607
-[haunter] Pop 'em one, Russ.
-[mumbling, grunts]

1111
00:55:57,524 --> 00:56:00,027
[Russ]
Come on. Follow my voice, let's go.

1112
00:56:00,110 --> 00:56:03,989
-[Justin groaning, panting]
-[rattling]

1113
00:56:04,072 --> 00:56:07,117
-I'm suggesting you quit.
-[Justin] Never.

1114
00:56:07,201 --> 00:56:10,954
-[Russ] Never. Never? He says never!
-I was arguing with him back.

1115
00:56:11,038 --> 00:56:13,749
Like, I wasn't bein' passive.
I wasn't bein' submissive to him.

1116
00:56:13,832 --> 00:56:15,417
And I think that's what
really got him mad.

1117
00:56:15,501 --> 00:56:18,253
-Sleep first, then you can do it.
-For the easiest--

1118
00:56:18,337 --> 00:56:20,380
I don't fall for that crap. Just sleep.

1119
00:56:20,464 --> 00:56:24,051
-Okay, y-you need to be quiet.
-No, I don't, dude. What a joke--

1120
00:56:24,134 --> 00:56:26,303
-[Russ] You want a joke, huh?
-[indistinct]

1121
00:56:26,386 --> 00:56:28,931
-You know what? You're done.
-[Justin] Don't even do it, dude. No.

1122
00:56:29,014 --> 00:56:30,933
-Get the hell off me.
-[Russ] Keep that camera on.

1123
00:56:31,016 --> 00:56:34,895
This is what we're seeing right now.
You're out of it right now. You're done.

1124
00:56:34,978 --> 00:56:37,147
[Justin]
I thought there was gonna be $20,000.

1125
00:56:37,231 --> 00:56:40,150
I thought there was gonna be a haunt.
I wasted all my money

1126
00:56:40,234 --> 00:56:42,819
and my work days and all that
going there, just to get humiliated.

1127
00:56:42,903 --> 00:56:44,947
What a freak show that was, right?

1128
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:46,823
At that point I wasn't even mad
about the money anymore,

1129
00:56:46,907 --> 00:56:47,908
it was just the embarrassment.

1130
00:56:47,991 --> 00:56:49,993
[♪ rhythmic dramatic music playing]

1131
00:56:52,663 --> 00:56:55,958
So, I started a Facebook page called,
"McKamey Manor Exposed."

1132
00:56:56,041 --> 00:56:59,002
[♪ synth music playing]

1133
00:56:59,086 --> 00:57:01,630
I wanted it to be a place
where people could actually come,

1134
00:57:01,713 --> 00:57:04,883
say what they need to say
without having to worry about threats.

1135
00:57:10,138 --> 00:57:13,892
The biggest thing we found, though,
was we actually got into Russ's emails.

1136
00:57:13,976 --> 00:57:15,978
[mouse scrolling]

1137
00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:19,565
Russ has a very old email service,
and that's where he messed up.

1138
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:23,110
The company that Russ has for the email
has a phone number.

1139
00:57:23,193 --> 00:57:26,113
So, I called them, and I was like,
"Hey, yeah, I my password."

1140
00:57:26,864 --> 00:57:30,158
So, they says, "Okay, what's your name?"
"Russ McKamey."

1141
00:57:30,242 --> 00:57:32,870
He's like, "Okay, when's the last time
you were on your email?"

1142
00:57:32,953 --> 00:57:34,663
And I was like, you know,
I'm gonna make a good guess.

1143
00:57:34,746 --> 00:57:35,873
I'll say, "Oh it was yesterday."

1144
00:57:35,956 --> 00:57:37,499
She's like, "Oh, alright.
Yeah, that was correct."

1145
00:57:37,583 --> 00:57:39,793
I changed the password
for my email address,

1146
00:57:39,877 --> 00:57:42,629
and then I locked him out.
We hit the jackpot.

1147
00:57:42,713 --> 00:57:45,799
[♪ dramatic music playing]

1148
00:57:48,427 --> 00:57:52,181
From his email, we found that
he wasn't paying his taxes on his barn.

1149
00:57:53,724 --> 00:57:56,310
And Russ wrote this email
back to the tax guy saying,

1150
00:57:56,393 --> 00:57:58,979
"This manor is fake.
Everything I'm saying is fake."

1151
00:57:59,062 --> 00:58:02,691
"Russ, I talked to my lawyer today."
I got Russ here with his tax problems.

1152
00:58:02,774 --> 00:58:06,278
This is from Russ's son:
"You absolutely disgust me."

1153
00:58:06,361 --> 00:58:09,489
[typing]

1154
00:58:09,573 --> 00:58:13,368
This guy's really obsessed and, like,
really going after his girlfriend.

1155
00:58:13,452 --> 00:58:15,954
"What you did was
absolutely unacceptable."

1156
00:58:16,038 --> 00:58:18,999
So I took those emails,
I took screenshots, and I showed those.

1157
00:58:19,082 --> 00:58:21,376
Here's the proof right here.
This is, like, something

1158
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:25,255
you're never gonna see anywhere else.
I put everything on my Facebook page,

1159
00:58:25,339 --> 00:58:27,466
And I was like,
"You guys gotta tell your stories."

1160
00:58:27,549 --> 00:58:30,552
-[typing]
-[♪ dramatic crescendo]

1161
00:58:31,261 --> 00:58:32,930
All these other groups popped up.

1162
00:58:33,013 --> 00:58:35,015
♪♪

1163
00:58:35,098 --> 00:58:37,684
[Kris]
People started posting stuff online

1164
00:58:37,768 --> 00:58:40,145
that Russ definitely
didn't want anybody to see.

1165
00:58:40,604 --> 00:58:44,441
-Guys, he will stuff you in a freezer
full of water upside down until you tap.

1166
00:58:44,525 --> 00:58:48,195
[victim] [over phone]
He got his claws so onto my brain.

1167
00:58:48,654 --> 00:58:51,740
Once I got away from it, I was like,
I'm just gonna expose him.

1168
00:58:51,823 --> 00:58:54,201
This is where
he's reading over the waiver.

1169
00:58:54,284 --> 00:58:55,619
[video chatter]

1170
00:58:55,702 --> 00:58:57,996
So, I posted the reaction videos
on YouTube.

1171
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,415
I was very surprised at
how many people saw it.

1172
00:59:00,499 --> 00:59:04,962
I was in water, and I had, like,
this much air to breathe.

1173
00:59:05,045 --> 00:59:08,257
Fast forward to now, it's, like,
two-point-something million views.

1174
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:12,469
[Brandon] There's so much drama
in these online communities, right?

1175
00:59:12,553 --> 00:59:15,806
It's the McKamey Manor
Facebook group people

1176
00:59:15,889 --> 00:59:16,890
fighting these people,

1177
00:59:16,974 --> 00:59:18,767
and then those people are
fighting against these people.

1178
00:59:18,851 --> 00:59:22,354
[overlapping swearing, yelling]

1179
00:59:22,437 --> 00:59:24,481
[Justin]
If you go on his Facebook page,

1180
00:59:24,565 --> 00:59:26,191
it's a straight-up cult.

1181
00:59:26,275 --> 00:59:28,527
They are obsessed with him.
Like, they don't care.

1182
00:59:28,610 --> 00:59:32,072
Russ could say the sky is green,
and they'll say, "Yes, sir, it is green."

1183
00:59:33,323 --> 00:59:35,826
They will go after the people

1184
00:59:35,909 --> 00:59:38,245
who they perceive as one of their enemies

1185
00:59:38,328 --> 00:59:41,039
or one of their haters
with everything that they have.

1186
00:59:41,123 --> 00:59:43,458
[♪ dramatic music playing]

1187
00:59:43,542 --> 00:59:45,627
[Gabi]
He would send people to the haters.

1188
00:59:45,711 --> 00:59:49,089
He called everyone a hater
that didn't agree with what he was doing,

1189
00:59:49,173 --> 00:59:52,885
and he basically encouraged them to, like,
bully, destroy someone on the internet.

1190
00:59:53,802 --> 00:59:56,972
I just got jumped on by all these people
from Russ or whatever,

1191
00:59:57,055 --> 00:59:58,807
and they just tore me apart.

1192
00:59:59,308 --> 01:00:02,269
One guy text me a picture
of where I work at.

1193
01:00:02,352 --> 01:00:04,229
"You're gonna get a call from us," and,

1194
01:00:04,313 --> 01:00:06,815
you know, "See your online activities
of what you're doin'."

1195
01:00:06,899 --> 01:00:09,193
It's not Russ doin' this.
It's his followers.

1196
01:00:09,276 --> 01:00:12,863
People started showing
personal pictures of me on the internet.

1197
01:00:12,946 --> 01:00:16,533
Then went to phone numbers,
then went to addresses.

1198
01:00:16,617 --> 01:00:20,454
I would get anonymous emails
that were saying some godawful things.

1199
01:00:20,537 --> 01:00:23,373
Those are all hate groups.
Those aren't the real deal.

1200
01:00:24,124 --> 01:00:25,125
[mouse scrolling]

1201
01:00:26,418 --> 01:00:29,880
He was very much like
cult leader man.

1202
01:00:29,963 --> 01:00:32,758
Like, "Listen to what I'm saying.
This is what's good for you.

1203
01:00:32,841 --> 01:00:35,010
"This is what
a haunted house experience is.

1204
01:00:35,093 --> 01:00:37,346
"If anyone tells you otherwise,
they're wrong.

1205
01:00:37,429 --> 01:00:39,056
"And if you believe that, you're stupid.

1206
01:00:39,348 --> 01:00:41,433
"If you're not with me,
you're against me.

1207
01:00:41,517 --> 01:00:43,352
And I will make your life
a living hell."

1208
01:00:45,479 --> 01:00:49,149
I started asking questions,
and that's what Russ does not want.

1209
01:00:49,233 --> 01:00:51,610
That dude is a psychopath!

1210
01:00:51,693 --> 01:00:55,989
-I don't even know why you would do it.
-[speaking foreign language]

1211
01:00:56,073 --> 01:00:58,742
There's a whole big group of people,

1212
01:00:58,825 --> 01:01:00,953
and all they're trying
to do is expose him.

1213
01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:04,998
Russ McKamey and the actors
have done some things

1214
01:01:05,082 --> 01:01:07,000
that we need-- they need to answer for.

1215
01:01:07,084 --> 01:01:10,295
Reason he's not in jail is because
technically no one has been un-alived yet.

1216
01:01:10,379 --> 01:01:13,590
Russ actually owes hundreds
of thousands of dollars in taxes.

1217
01:01:13,674 --> 01:01:18,804
Some neighbors actually even called 911,
thinking that there had been an abduction.

1218
01:01:19,054 --> 01:01:21,473
[news anchor 1] The town
turned against McKamey Manor.

1219
01:01:21,557 --> 01:01:24,518
[news anchor 2] There's already
a national movement against Russ.

1220
01:01:24,601 --> 01:01:28,021
We need to keep fighting the good fight
and, uh, doin' what we're doin'.

1221
01:01:28,105 --> 01:01:29,147
[beeping]

1222
01:01:29,231 --> 01:01:30,524
[news anchor 3] More than 13,000...

1223
01:01:30,607 --> 01:01:32,943
-[news anchor 4] 18,000...
-[news anchor 5] 56,000 people.

1224
01:01:33,026 --> 01:01:36,905
...signing a Change.org petition
to have McKamey Manor closed.

1225
01:01:36,989 --> 01:01:38,907
[♪ dramatic music playing]

1226
01:01:38,991 --> 01:01:40,617
[Kris]
The petitions were comin'.

1227
01:01:40,701 --> 01:01:42,911
[news anchor 6]
Continuing to get more signatures.

1228
01:01:45,873 --> 01:01:48,667
[Kris]
Now, you got the media's attention.

1229
01:01:49,126 --> 01:01:51,962
You are getting reporters
wanting to show up on site.

1230
01:01:52,045 --> 01:01:55,257
When you're running this big charade

1231
01:01:55,340 --> 01:01:57,718
of a haunt that's supposedly there,

1232
01:01:58,594 --> 01:02:00,554
how do you not show them that stuff?

1233
01:02:01,305 --> 01:02:04,683
So, Russ ran with the petitions
to shut down

1234
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:08,645
and said, "Oh, they got the best of us.
The Manor's down."

1235
01:02:11,523 --> 01:02:13,442
♪♪

1236
01:02:15,402 --> 01:02:17,654
[Russ]
Right now, we're dismantling the manor.

1237
01:02:19,907 --> 01:02:21,825
He literally packed up very quickly

1238
01:02:21,909 --> 01:02:24,328
and booked it across
the country somewhere else.

1239
01:02:24,411 --> 01:02:26,788
[birds chirping]

1240
01:02:31,210 --> 01:02:33,921
[Kris]
Russ is working. He works at Walmart.

1241
01:02:36,006 --> 01:02:38,008
I think he was just doing it

1242
01:02:38,091 --> 01:02:39,968
because there was a lull

1243
01:02:40,052 --> 01:02:42,513
at getting people to the manor.

1244
01:02:42,596 --> 01:02:47,351
Russ, the guy that had McKamey Manor,
has moved to around here

1245
01:02:47,434 --> 01:02:49,937
where I live the last couple years.

1246
01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:52,523
Well, I just found out on Facebook
that apparently,

1247
01:02:52,606 --> 01:02:54,858
he works at Walmart
in the Garden Center.

1248
01:02:54,942 --> 01:02:58,237
Wait, you stay.
If I need you, holler for back up.

1249
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,281
This is where this man
has decided to relocate.

1250
01:03:01,698 --> 01:03:03,408
-How are you?
-[Russ] Hey, how you doing?

1251
01:03:03,492 --> 01:03:04,701
Want a bag, miss?

1252
01:03:05,744 --> 01:03:06,787
[scanner beeps]

1253
01:03:09,331 --> 01:03:11,667
Y'all, that was fucking him,

1254
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:14,211
and it just checked me out.
I'm shaking.

1255
01:03:14,294 --> 01:03:16,296
I didn't-- I thought I was gonna
be all confrontational,

1256
01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:18,215
and I thought I was gonna, like, say this,

1257
01:03:18,298 --> 01:03:19,758
but it's like when you're in the fucking--

1258
01:03:19,842 --> 01:03:22,636
When you're actually
in the presence of a sociopath,

1259
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:24,972
and you know it,

1260
01:03:25,055 --> 01:03:27,099
bro, you lose all that confidence.

1261
01:03:27,182 --> 01:03:31,520
Oh, my God, I'm literally shaking. [sighs]

1262
01:03:32,729 --> 01:03:35,732
[♪ creepy music playing]

1263
01:03:37,442 --> 01:03:40,445
[Kris] There's three types of Russ
that you should know.

1264
01:03:41,196 --> 01:03:44,867
There is the fun-loving Russ
that the followers love.

1265
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:47,202
-That's a front.
-[mouthing] Help.

1266
01:03:47,286 --> 01:03:49,872
You have the scary Russ
who's going through the show

1267
01:03:49,955 --> 01:03:51,665
you're dealing with.
That's a front.

1268
01:03:51,832 --> 01:03:54,501
And then, you have the real Russ.

1269
01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:59,798
He has so much wrong going on in his head,

1270
01:03:59,882 --> 01:04:02,968
and-and it comes out in the haunt.

1271
01:04:03,051 --> 01:04:06,054
[static]

1272
01:04:06,847 --> 01:04:09,766
[on TV] You know, it's no joke in here.
I mean, people think that,

1273
01:04:09,850 --> 01:04:11,560
well, you know, it's a home haunt.

1274
01:04:11,643 --> 01:04:14,146
But, I'm telling ya. It's scary.

1275
01:04:15,272 --> 01:04:17,274
[Kris]
Russ needs to get help,

1276
01:04:18,859 --> 01:04:20,986
or he's gonna keep going
till it's too far.

1277
01:04:21,069 --> 01:04:24,072
[♪ pulsing music playing]

1278
01:04:25,824 --> 01:04:26,825
♪♪

1279
01:04:32,247 --> 01:04:33,749
[Russ]
I'm back.

1280
01:04:34,958 --> 01:04:37,586
[sing-songy]
♪ I'm back, I'm back, I'm back ♪

1281
01:04:37,669 --> 01:04:41,256
♪ Anybody there? Anybody there? ♪

1282
01:04:41,340 --> 01:04:42,549
[♪ dramatic crescendo]

1283
01:04:42,633 --> 01:04:44,635
[inaudible]

1284
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:49,348
-You better start begging right now!
-I'm begging right now.

1285
01:04:49,431 --> 01:04:51,183
I don't-- I don't wanna go anymore.
I'm done.

1286
01:04:52,142 --> 01:04:54,937
[Kris]
Russ is not quitting. He kept it going.

1287
01:04:55,479 --> 01:04:59,316
Now, there aren't actors.
You are just with Russ going through.

1288
01:04:59,399 --> 01:05:03,904
You are getting
a very dangerous experience.

1289
01:05:03,987 --> 01:05:07,950
[Gabi] His tours now, at this point,
he's just doing it to hurt people

1290
01:05:08,033 --> 01:05:09,618
and to prove a point to us,

1291
01:05:09,701 --> 01:05:11,954
to everyone else that, like,
talked out on him.

1292
01:05:12,037 --> 01:05:15,249
Like a, "I'm gonna get back at you
and show you that I can still do this,

1293
01:05:15,332 --> 01:05:17,209
people still wanna be
tortured by me."

1294
01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:20,212
-[muffled whimpering, yelling]
-[Russ] Are you done?

1295
01:05:20,295 --> 01:05:22,172
Back in the day,
he had a haunted house

1296
01:05:22,256 --> 01:05:24,091
and now what it is,
is definitely not a haunt.

1297
01:05:24,174 --> 01:05:25,634
[panicked breathing]

1298
01:05:25,717 --> 01:05:29,012
It's pretty much, you know,
Russ in his yard messin' with you.

1299
01:05:29,096 --> 01:05:30,848
[retching, gagging]

1300
01:05:31,598 --> 01:05:33,684
[Kris]
You know, you're with a guy by himself.

1301
01:05:33,767 --> 01:05:36,228
Everything he does is
justified in his head.

1302
01:05:36,311 --> 01:05:38,438
There is no limits.

1303
01:05:38,522 --> 01:05:39,731
No, no!

1304
01:05:39,815 --> 01:05:42,818
[creaking]

1305
01:05:44,528 --> 01:05:47,698
[projector whirring]

1306
01:05:48,323 --> 01:05:50,576
[Melissa]
I live in such a small town.

1307
01:05:50,659 --> 01:05:52,703
And I'm basically a nobody.

1308
01:05:52,786 --> 01:05:55,163
And, you know,
that's how I felt about myself.

1309
01:05:55,247 --> 01:05:56,540
♪♪

1310
01:05:56,623 --> 01:06:00,002
During my first tour,
you know, you had all these signs,

1311
01:06:00,794 --> 01:06:03,797
but, at the time,
I didn't wanna deal with that.

1312
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,467
I'd just seen a nice person

1313
01:06:07,551 --> 01:06:11,388
that was giving me everything
I needed at the time.

1314
01:06:11,471 --> 01:06:13,056
I just felt like I got

1315
01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:15,976
really taken easy on, looking back.

1316
01:06:16,059 --> 01:06:18,854
I was nobody before any of this,

1317
01:06:18,937 --> 01:06:21,106
and I'd wake up with a million messages

1318
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:23,150
from all these people
who supported me.

1319
01:06:23,233 --> 01:06:26,612
Like, me. The nobody that was once before,

1320
01:06:26,695 --> 01:06:30,032
now has a million people hyping her up

1321
01:06:30,115 --> 01:06:32,618
and just being friendly.

1322
01:06:32,701 --> 01:06:35,204
And [laughs] it was just life changing,

1323
01:06:35,287 --> 01:06:37,122
and I didn't want it to end.

1324
01:06:37,706 --> 01:06:41,251
I wasn't anticipating coming back,

1325
01:06:41,335 --> 01:06:43,504
but he was up on my phone,

1326
01:06:43,587 --> 01:06:45,464
texting or calling or video chatting.

1327
01:06:45,547 --> 01:06:47,674
Like, I didn't even have time
to even think about

1328
01:06:47,758 --> 01:06:49,843
what had happened
and what I went through.

1329
01:06:49,927 --> 01:06:51,220
♪♪

1330
01:06:51,303 --> 01:06:54,348
[Kris] I remember when Melissa Everly
was going through it.

1331
01:06:54,431 --> 01:06:56,725
She is Russ' type.

1332
01:06:58,602 --> 01:07:01,605
I met Melissa,
reaching out and trying

1333
01:07:01,688 --> 01:07:03,732
to talk her out of
going to McKamey Manor,

1334
01:07:03,815 --> 01:07:06,151
and she was drinkin' the Kool-Aid.

1335
01:07:06,235 --> 01:07:09,238
She was buying in and listenin' to Russ.

1336
01:07:09,321 --> 01:07:11,990
Russ was the good guy.
All of us were just crazies.

1337
01:07:12,074 --> 01:07:15,661
And the first conversation we had,
it wasn't a great one.

1338
01:07:15,744 --> 01:07:19,665
She thought I was some loon that was
some hater trying to talk her out of it.

1339
01:07:21,124 --> 01:07:24,253
[Melissa] Russ was dangling
everything over my head.

1340
01:07:24,336 --> 01:07:26,088
"Look, you're the Abyss Queen."

1341
01:07:26,171 --> 01:07:29,049
He gave me a nickname and rolled with it

1342
01:07:29,132 --> 01:07:31,093
and had everybody calling me that.

1343
01:07:31,176 --> 01:07:33,303
And that's how people knew me.
He was like,

1344
01:07:33,387 --> 01:07:35,889
"Oh, well, think of your fans."

1345
01:07:35,973 --> 01:07:38,809
I wanted to beat the thing
and be the first to complete it.

1346
01:07:39,601 --> 01:07:40,811
He knew that.

1347
01:07:40,894 --> 01:07:41,979
♪♪

1348
01:07:42,062 --> 01:07:44,398
One day, he messaged me and was like,

1349
01:07:44,481 --> 01:07:46,775
"Hey, can you make it
for a tour tomorrow?"

1350
01:07:46,859 --> 01:07:50,445
[birds chirping]

1351
01:07:50,529 --> 01:07:52,781
[insects chirping]

1352
01:07:52,865 --> 01:07:56,159
I drive down for the second tour.

1353
01:07:56,702 --> 01:07:57,828
[static]

1354
01:07:57,911 --> 01:08:01,623
Russ ends up coming over
to the hotel room.

1355
01:08:02,207 --> 01:08:04,459
And I knew from the YouTube videos,

1356
01:08:04,543 --> 01:08:07,671
this isn't the first time
he's been in somebody's hotel room.

1357
01:08:07,754 --> 01:08:10,757
And so, in my mind, it's harmless.

1358
01:08:10,841 --> 01:08:14,595
He was coming over to instruct me
on what to do for the evening.

1359
01:08:14,678 --> 01:08:18,640
And he gives me a list of
things that I have to do.

1360
01:08:18,724 --> 01:08:21,310
Lunges, singing, pushups, sit-ups.

1361
01:08:21,393 --> 01:08:22,853
♪♪

1362
01:08:22,936 --> 01:08:25,689
The conversation ended up taking a turn

1363
01:08:25,772 --> 01:08:27,608
kind of for the worst.

1364
01:08:27,691 --> 01:08:30,194
He started going into

1365
01:08:30,277 --> 01:08:33,739
his sexual history with past contestants,

1366
01:08:33,822 --> 01:08:36,116
talking about how he liked

1367
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,702
a very competitive, athletic girl,

1368
01:08:38,785 --> 01:08:42,623
but he wants a woman that's gonna
submit to him when it comes to

1369
01:08:43,540 --> 01:08:46,376
being aggressive during sex.

1370
01:08:47,169 --> 01:08:49,922
In that moment,
I was feeling very nervous.

1371
01:08:51,006 --> 01:08:54,468
Like, I'm just there.
I'm barely participating in conversation,

1372
01:08:54,551 --> 01:08:56,553
because I don't really know what to say.

1373
01:08:56,637 --> 01:08:59,306
I don't wanna give any leading responses

1374
01:08:59,389 --> 01:09:01,683
because I just wanted
to go through the manor.

1375
01:09:01,767 --> 01:09:05,729
I was tired. I was exhausted.
I was willing to listen to him,

1376
01:09:05,812 --> 01:09:08,857
but I-I was also scared that

1377
01:09:08,941 --> 01:09:10,442
if I'm propositioned,

1378
01:09:10,526 --> 01:09:13,695
I'm not gonna be able to have
this experience if I decline.

1379
01:09:14,321 --> 01:09:16,281
And I was scared to what happens next.

1380
01:09:16,365 --> 01:09:19,243
Wh-Whatever I do, and all
of this is ripped from me,

1381
01:09:19,326 --> 01:09:22,454
you know, what kind of monster
is he gonna make me out to be?

1382
01:09:22,538 --> 01:09:24,039
If this is perfectly fine,

1383
01:09:24,122 --> 01:09:26,625
and he's done it with all
these other contestants,

1384
01:09:26,708 --> 01:09:29,169
is everybody gonna make
me a laughingstock?

1385
01:09:29,253 --> 01:09:31,630
You know, what's gonna happen?

1386
01:09:32,339 --> 01:09:34,424
So, he ends up leaving the room,

1387
01:09:34,508 --> 01:09:36,802
and I stay up doing these lives.

1388
01:09:36,885 --> 01:09:39,805
By the time my tour starts, um, it's--

1389
01:09:39,888 --> 01:09:42,808
I'll be up for 26 hours.

1390
01:09:42,891 --> 01:09:44,560
Happy Sunday.

1391
01:09:46,061 --> 01:09:49,898
That's right. Happy Sunday, Michelle.
Happy Sunday.

1392
01:09:53,485 --> 01:09:55,487
Gotta keep my eyes on the road, so...

1393
01:09:57,906 --> 01:09:59,783
I do have someone I want you to see.

1394
01:10:02,369 --> 01:10:04,997
[Melissa]
My brain was like mashed potatoes

1395
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,082
when he came and picked me up,

1396
01:10:07,165 --> 01:10:09,543
and we headed out

1397
01:10:09,626 --> 01:10:11,879
to go for my next tour.

1398
01:10:11,962 --> 01:10:14,006
It's just me and Russ on this tour.

1399
01:10:14,089 --> 01:10:16,091
[Russ]
Go ahead and talk to 'em.

1400
01:10:16,175 --> 01:10:18,677
[sighs]

1401
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,929
-Alright, everyone.
-[Russ] She's not near as bubbly

1402
01:10:21,013 --> 01:10:22,264
as she normally is.

1403
01:10:22,347 --> 01:10:23,432
-I'm tired.
-[Russ] Tired.

1404
01:10:23,515 --> 01:10:25,392
♪♪

1405
01:10:25,475 --> 01:10:26,977
[Melissa]
He had no helpers.

1406
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:30,063
[♪ heartbeat-type rhythm playing]

1407
01:10:33,609 --> 01:10:35,986
We have our, our young lady here.

1408
01:10:37,196 --> 01:10:39,907
Ms. Everly is doing awesome.

1409
01:10:41,033 --> 01:10:43,035
Killing it today. Killing it.

1410
01:10:44,369 --> 01:10:45,996
[birds cawing]

1411
01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:47,915
Why don't you come on out?

1412
01:10:52,377 --> 01:10:54,838
Okay, that's good right there.
Stay where you are.

1413
01:10:54,922 --> 01:10:56,590
Through the bamboo run

1414
01:10:56,673 --> 01:10:59,551
is when he started, like,
whispering in my ear

1415
01:10:59,635 --> 01:11:02,095
and, like, complimenting my neck,

1416
01:11:02,179 --> 01:11:05,682
and kind of grabbing my
neck and being sexual.

1417
01:11:05,766 --> 01:11:08,477
[Russ] You know what you need?
You need a little color.

1418
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,895
Would you like a little color?

1419
01:11:09,978 --> 01:11:11,980
[Melissa inaudible]

1420
01:11:12,064 --> 01:11:13,565
[Russ]
Tilt your head back.

1421
01:11:15,567 --> 01:11:18,779
[Melissa] But, in that moment, I'm like,
"Oh, this is part of the tour.

1422
01:11:18,862 --> 01:11:20,864
You know, this is part of what he does."

1423
01:11:22,824 --> 01:11:24,368
[scoffs] I was dead to the world.

1424
01:11:24,451 --> 01:11:27,663
By the end of it,
I was over 30 hours no sleep.

1425
01:11:27,746 --> 01:11:29,665
I was beyond sleep deprived.

1426
01:11:29,748 --> 01:11:32,709
[Russ] You feel like a noodle, don't ya?
How's your brain?

1427
01:11:32,793 --> 01:11:34,920
Seriously,
how's your brain feel right now?

1428
01:11:35,003 --> 01:11:37,923
[sighs] All kinds of messed up

1429
01:11:38,006 --> 01:11:39,550
in every direction possible.

1430
01:11:39,633 --> 01:11:41,635
[Russ]
This is gonna suck.

1431
01:11:42,386 --> 01:11:44,638
-[sighs]
-[dripping]

1432
01:11:44,721 --> 01:11:45,722
[whimpers]

1433
01:11:51,103 --> 01:11:53,981
[Melissa] I remember at that point,
I had fell asleep,

1434
01:11:54,064 --> 01:11:57,818
and he told me it was fine, "Go to sleep."
He'd covered me up with towels.

1435
01:11:57,901 --> 01:12:00,445
[wind blowing]

1436
01:12:00,529 --> 01:12:02,447
[quietly]
Come on, everybody. Come on in.

1437
01:12:02,531 --> 01:12:04,700
[birds chirping]

1438
01:12:04,783 --> 01:12:06,285
Talkin' quiet because

1439
01:12:07,452 --> 01:12:10,747
tryin' to get Ms. Everly to go to sleep.

1440
01:12:11,206 --> 01:12:13,125
Well,

1441
01:12:13,208 --> 01:12:15,169
sometime after the tour,

1442
01:12:15,252 --> 01:12:17,629
and I-I'm gonna fast forward for a moment

1443
01:12:17,713 --> 01:12:21,550
because I asked him how the footage went.

1444
01:12:22,301 --> 01:12:24,678
And he was like,
"Well, there was this one time

1445
01:12:24,761 --> 01:12:27,306
that I didn't get the footage
I really wish I had."

1446
01:12:27,389 --> 01:12:30,392
[♪ dramatic sting]

1447
01:12:34,646 --> 01:12:37,107
[Russ breathing]

1448
01:12:37,191 --> 01:12:39,610
What happened?
What did he do when I was asleep?

1449
01:12:39,693 --> 01:12:41,153
Because he never answered me.

1450
01:12:41,236 --> 01:12:43,864
And I think I deserve the right to know.

1451
01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:46,742
Like, what did he mean?
What footage did he miss?

1452
01:12:46,825 --> 01:12:49,411
[♪ dramatic music playing]

1453
01:12:49,494 --> 01:12:53,165
That's always going to haunt me.
[crying] I will question myself that

1454
01:12:54,750 --> 01:12:56,668
to the day I die.

1455
01:12:56,752 --> 01:12:58,378
'Cause I don't want,

1456
01:12:58,462 --> 01:13:01,256
and I never have wanted,
to do anything with Russ.

1457
01:13:03,217 --> 01:13:06,595
And it-- just the fact that
that may have been a possibility,

1458
01:13:06,678 --> 01:13:08,180
disgusts me.

1459
01:13:08,263 --> 01:13:11,475
He is a cruel, fucking disgusting person.

1460
01:13:13,685 --> 01:13:15,687
[sharp inhale]

1461
01:13:16,271 --> 01:13:18,732
[Russ] [on TV]
Good. Put your head back a little bit.

1462
01:13:19,733 --> 01:13:21,276
Enjoy that sun while you can.

1463
01:13:22,986 --> 01:13:25,489
-You got it right in there good?
-[Melissa] Mm-hmm.

1464
01:13:27,449 --> 01:13:31,495
There's always gonna be that doubt.
There's always gonna be that doubt.

1465
01:13:35,624 --> 01:13:38,126
We have a tired little puppy here.

1466
01:13:41,213 --> 01:13:44,216
♪♪

1467
01:13:49,388 --> 01:13:52,224
[Melissa]
Everything finally adds up.

1468
01:13:52,307 --> 01:13:55,352
It adds up that Russ is just

1469
01:13:55,435 --> 01:13:59,398
a narcissistic,
manipulative piece of fuck.

1470
01:13:59,606 --> 01:14:01,692
[insects chirping]

1471
01:14:01,775 --> 01:14:04,695
Don't learn the hard way, like we have.

1472
01:14:10,242 --> 01:14:12,119
[static hissing]

1473
01:14:12,202 --> 01:14:14,079
[♪ tense music playing]

1474
01:14:14,162 --> 01:14:18,083
[W.P.] I love getting scared.
I wanna populate our earth with more art

1475
01:14:18,166 --> 01:14:20,836
and make it horror. You know what?

1476
01:14:20,919 --> 01:14:23,213
Keep doing it, you know?
'Cause eventually,

1477
01:14:23,297 --> 01:14:26,341
this could replace movies for some people,
and it does now.

1478
01:14:26,425 --> 01:14:29,803
[projector whirring]

1479
01:14:30,554 --> 01:14:32,556
[Melissa]
I wanted to find another haunt

1480
01:14:32,639 --> 01:14:34,892
because I wanted to fill that void.

1481
01:14:34,975 --> 01:14:37,769
I wanted to find something
that can help me cope,

1482
01:14:37,853 --> 01:14:40,689
to give me that reminder,
"Hey, if you went through this,

1483
01:14:40,772 --> 01:14:42,232
you can go through anything."

1484
01:14:42,316 --> 01:14:45,986
Because the purpose isn't
to sexually molest people.

1485
01:14:46,069 --> 01:14:49,114
Th-The purpose is not to do
anything untoward to somebody

1486
01:14:49,198 --> 01:14:52,284
or to make them a victim.
It's to make you grow.

1487
01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:55,704
That little girl, that itch,
is still very much inside of me.

1488
01:14:55,787 --> 01:14:58,373
I've just had to not scratch
the itch for a while,

1489
01:14:58,457 --> 01:15:00,042
to recover from the manor.

1490
01:15:00,792 --> 01:15:01,793
[♪ dramatic sting]

1491
01:15:08,967 --> 01:15:11,595
I'm telling you. You wanna do somethin'

1492
01:15:11,678 --> 01:15:13,514
taboo and out there?

1493
01:15:14,890 --> 01:15:16,725
There's places that'll help you.

1494
01:15:16,808 --> 01:15:18,894
♪♪

1495
01:15:18,977 --> 01:15:21,230
[producer]
Tell us what you're about to go do.

1496
01:15:21,313 --> 01:15:24,066
[Melissa]
I'm about to go do Miasma.

1497
01:15:24,441 --> 01:15:26,944
-[♪ dramatic sting]
-[tech] I'm at the fog machine.

1498
01:15:27,027 --> 01:15:29,112
[bell ringing]

1499
01:15:29,196 --> 01:15:31,406
Give it a longer pause between that.

1500
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:35,452
Diversity is really the norm.
People have very diverse genetic makeups,

1501
01:15:35,536 --> 01:15:37,788
people want different things,

1502
01:15:37,871 --> 01:15:40,165
people have different
psychological traits.

1503
01:15:40,249 --> 01:15:42,000
So, we need to recognize

1504
01:15:42,084 --> 01:15:45,003
that there are people who need challenges,

1505
01:15:45,087 --> 01:15:47,631
they need risk, they need sensation.

1506
01:15:47,714 --> 01:15:50,634
And we need to make sure that
those spaces are available,

1507
01:15:50,717 --> 01:15:54,263
so people can get what they need
within the bounds of the law.

1508
01:16:05,566 --> 01:16:08,569
[♪ tense crescendo]

1509
01:16:08,652 --> 01:16:10,445
[knocking]

1510
01:16:10,529 --> 01:16:11,530
[♪ dramatic sting]

1511
01:16:12,030 --> 01:16:13,115
[knocking]

1512
01:16:13,198 --> 01:16:14,199
[door opens]

1513
01:16:17,327 --> 01:16:19,413
-[door shuts]
-[muttering]

1514
01:16:19,496 --> 01:16:21,790
[haunter]
Turn around, turn around.

1515
01:16:22,875 --> 01:16:24,293
Sign when you're ready.

1516
01:16:24,376 --> 01:16:26,920
[♪ tense music playing]

1517
01:16:29,423 --> 01:16:32,301
[haunter] When this bell rings,
you're no longer Melissa.

1518
01:16:32,384 --> 01:16:34,219
You become Jay. Do you understand?

1519
01:16:35,304 --> 01:16:37,973
-Who do you become when this bell rings?
-[Melissa] Jay.

1520
01:16:38,056 --> 01:16:40,601
-[haunter] What is the safety word?
-[Brandon] Safety.

1521
01:16:40,684 --> 01:16:44,146
[haunter] Do you understand you can
say this at any time for any reason,

1522
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:46,398
-your show will stop?
-[Brandon] Yes.

1523
01:16:46,481 --> 01:16:49,902
-[haunter] What happens when this rings?
-I'm Jay.

1524
01:16:49,985 --> 01:16:51,695
[bell rings]

1525
01:16:51,778 --> 01:16:53,655
[haunter]
Fucking run, Jay! Keep going!

1526
01:16:53,739 --> 01:16:54,781
[incoherent shouting]

1527
01:16:54,865 --> 01:16:56,867
[♪ tense crescendo]

1528
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:59,870
[distorted voices]
Follow it, follow it! Follow it forward.

1529
01:17:01,538 --> 01:17:03,707
[camera shutter snapping]

1530
01:17:03,790 --> 01:17:05,125
[plastic stretching]

1531
01:17:05,209 --> 01:17:08,003
[inaudible]

1532
01:17:08,086 --> 01:17:11,006
[♪ mysterious music playing]

1533
01:17:15,511 --> 01:17:17,137
-[electrical zap]
-[scream, groan]

1534
01:17:17,221 --> 01:17:20,015
-[bag crinkling]
-[tape stretching]

1535
01:17:22,518 --> 01:17:23,602
[blast]

1536
01:17:28,357 --> 01:17:30,192
-[click, hit]
-[yells]

1537
01:17:30,526 --> 01:17:32,736
[screaming]

1538
01:17:32,819 --> 01:17:34,738
-[fire, hit]
-[screams]

1539
01:17:34,821 --> 01:17:38,325
[groaning]

1540
01:17:38,408 --> 01:17:40,619
-[gunshot]
-[screaming]

1541
01:17:41,286 --> 01:17:44,706
Where's the cliff edge, right?

1542
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:47,417
-[panting]
-Or have I already gone over it?

1543
01:17:47,501 --> 01:17:48,502
[hyperventilating]

1544
01:17:49,044 --> 01:17:52,965
[haunter] No. No. Stay down. Stay down.
Stay down, stay down.

1545
01:17:53,048 --> 01:17:56,051
-Hey. Hey, you okay?
-[hyperventilating continues]

1546
01:17:56,134 --> 01:17:58,971
-You okay?
-[Brandon] [panting] Yeah.

1547
01:17:59,054 --> 01:18:01,473
-[haunter] Do you wanna keep going?
-[Brandon] Yes.

1548
01:18:01,557 --> 01:18:04,059
Look at these scars. I'm bleeding.

1549
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:07,354
My heart was beating through my chest.

1550
01:18:07,938 --> 01:18:08,939
[gunshot]

1551
01:18:09,022 --> 01:18:10,607
It's freakin' awesome.

1552
01:18:10,691 --> 01:18:13,110
What the fuck is wrong with you?!

1553
01:18:14,444 --> 01:18:17,322
-[Melissa crying]
-[haunter] Tell her you fuckin' hate her.

1554
01:18:17,406 --> 01:18:20,576
-[Melissa] I fucking hate you!
-[haunter] Tell her you wish she was dead.

1555
01:18:20,659 --> 01:18:23,245
-[Melissa] I wish you were dead!
-[haunter] Scream it!

1556
01:18:23,662 --> 01:18:25,789
[♪ quiet music playing]

1557
01:18:25,873 --> 01:18:28,917
[inaudible]

1558
01:18:30,377 --> 01:18:33,338
[haunter And Melissa]
Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead! Dead!

1559
01:18:33,422 --> 01:18:36,383
Dead! Dead! Dead!

1560
01:18:36,466 --> 01:18:40,179
[haunters] Who are you?! Who the fuck
are you?! Who the fuck are you?!

1561
01:18:40,262 --> 01:18:42,139
Answer, answer! Answer! Answer me!

1562
01:18:42,222 --> 01:18:45,475
I already have an anxiety brain
that can kind of make up scenarios.

1563
01:18:45,559 --> 01:18:48,604
So, if someone makes up
a scenario that's crazier than me,

1564
01:18:48,687 --> 01:18:50,314
-[screams]
-I, like, give them props for it.

1565
01:18:50,397 --> 01:18:52,649
♪♪

1566
01:18:55,819 --> 01:18:57,738
-[taser zaps]
-[pained screaming]

1567
01:18:57,821 --> 01:19:01,742
-[haunters] [chanting] Jay, Jay, Jay.
-[Brandon screaming]

1568
01:19:01,825 --> 01:19:03,368
[Brandon]
Fuck!

1569
01:19:03,452 --> 01:19:06,246
-[haunter] Who are you supposed to be?
-Jay.

1570
01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:08,373
-[haunter] Louder.
-Jay!

1571
01:19:08,457 --> 01:19:10,167
-[haunter] Scream it!
-Jay!

1572
01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:11,960
-[haunter] One more time!
-Jay!

1573
01:19:12,044 --> 01:19:15,214
-[haunter] Can't fucking hear you!
-[indistinct swearing, yelling]

1574
01:19:15,297 --> 01:19:18,008
-Who the fuck are you supposed to be?!
-Jay!

1575
01:19:20,135 --> 01:19:21,929
-[knife clatters]
-[gasping]

1576
01:19:22,012 --> 01:19:24,890
[♪ dramatic music playing]

1577
01:19:24,973 --> 01:19:27,100
[Melissa gasping, sniffling]

1578
01:19:28,810 --> 01:19:32,314
-Who do you wanna be?
-Me. I wanna be me. [gasps]

1579
01:19:38,946 --> 01:19:40,656
[gasps]

1580
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:45,202
[inaudible]

1581
01:19:49,248 --> 01:19:51,250
[plastic crinkling]

1582
01:19:57,047 --> 01:19:59,925
It's very cathartic, right?
In there, it's still--

1583
01:20:00,008 --> 01:20:02,469
There's a lot of processing
that's still goin' on, right?

1584
01:20:02,553 --> 01:20:05,347
-[haunter] Of course.
-Like, I've done this shit before,

1585
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:07,599
and, you know, you're out of it
in 15, 20 minutes

1586
01:20:07,683 --> 01:20:09,142
once you get back to the real world,

1587
01:20:09,226 --> 01:20:11,812
but this is gonna stay with me
for a little while, I think.

1588
01:20:11,895 --> 01:20:14,648
Like, I don't know--
I don't know how to--

1589
01:20:14,731 --> 01:20:17,484
I don't know how to
describe the experience.

1590
01:20:19,528 --> 01:20:23,198
There is actually
a great emotional release

1591
01:20:23,282 --> 01:20:25,492
after some type of self-harm behavior.

1592
01:20:25,576 --> 01:20:28,871
[♪ slow music playing]

1593
01:20:28,954 --> 01:20:31,540
On one level, it exhausts us.

1594
01:20:31,623 --> 01:20:35,043
Then, it starts to promote
this addiction-like dopamine pathway

1595
01:20:35,127 --> 01:20:36,753
that we seek out over and over.

1596
01:20:36,837 --> 01:20:40,007
-[haunter] Congratulations.
-Fuck! Fuck!

1597
01:20:40,090 --> 01:20:42,634
[sobbing] That was one hell of a show.

1598
01:20:42,718 --> 01:20:45,971
-[haunter] Are you okay? Are you okay?
-[Melissa] Thank you so much.

1599
01:20:46,054 --> 01:20:48,473
[Melissa]
It meant the world to me.

1600
01:20:48,557 --> 01:20:50,726
[sobbing]

1601
01:20:50,809 --> 01:20:52,644
[haunter] That's some great news.

1602
01:20:52,728 --> 01:20:54,771
Thank you so much, Justin.

1603
01:20:54,855 --> 01:20:56,523
[sniffles] That was fucking--

1604
01:20:56,607 --> 01:20:58,525
[Haunter Justin] Thank you,
but I'm glad you're okay.

1605
01:20:58,609 --> 01:21:00,277
I'm glad you got something out of it.

1606
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,237
-[laughs] Thank you.
-You did awesome.

1607
01:21:02,321 --> 01:21:04,865
-It's a rough show, and you did so good.
-Yeah.

1608
01:21:04,948 --> 01:21:07,367
-It's not-- [laughs]
-[Haunter Justin] No, no.

1609
01:21:07,451 --> 01:21:10,078
-And you did awesome.
-Thank you.

1610
01:21:10,162 --> 01:21:13,040
[Haunter Justin] Um, so right now,
you can just take a breath.

1611
01:21:13,123 --> 01:21:16,126
[♪ slow music continues]

1612
01:21:24,259 --> 01:21:28,055
Russ... is damaged himself.

1613
01:21:28,138 --> 01:21:31,600
And he has some inner demons or trauma

1614
01:21:31,683 --> 01:21:35,354
that he needs to get help with,
and I hope he does.

1615
01:21:35,437 --> 01:21:38,398
[W.P.] He is a person who
aspired to be an entertainer

1616
01:21:38,482 --> 01:21:41,818
and became the torturer, the tormentor.

1617
01:21:41,902 --> 01:21:45,030
I was dragged across asphalt

1618
01:21:45,113 --> 01:21:47,491
in a parking lot... [coughs]

1619
01:21:47,574 --> 01:21:49,243
after my tour was already over!

1620
01:21:49,326 --> 01:21:52,120
None of you even know
what you're talkin' about.

1621
01:21:52,204 --> 01:21:55,457
Russ isn't a torturer, okay?
He's a showman.

1622
01:21:55,541 --> 01:21:58,210
People are stupid.
That's what you sign up for.

1623
01:21:58,293 --> 01:22:00,796
It's his own little narcissism factory,

1624
01:22:00,879 --> 01:22:04,091
that people just come to,
to-to-to-to help him feed on it.

1625
01:22:04,174 --> 01:22:07,636
And they're still very much
active groups on Facebook.

1626
01:22:07,719 --> 01:22:09,221
It's just, you're drinking the Kool-Aid.

1627
01:22:09,304 --> 01:22:11,890
You're believing what he says.
You're lapping it up.

1628
01:22:11,974 --> 01:22:14,309
Russ, I think you're a good man.

1629
01:22:14,393 --> 01:22:17,771
Just a little misunderstood
by some people.

1630
01:22:17,855 --> 01:22:20,148
If people wanna do it,
I'm not gonna stop 'em,

1631
01:22:20,232 --> 01:22:22,818
but it's not gonna shock me
if someone dies one day,

1632
01:22:22,901 --> 01:22:24,695
and Russ goes to jail
because of it.

1633
01:22:24,778 --> 01:22:27,489
-[Gabi inaudible]
-[director] What would you like

1634
01:22:27,573 --> 01:22:31,076
the takeaway to be
from your participation in this?

1635
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:32,661
That

1636
01:22:33,745 --> 01:22:35,122
immersive haunts are okay,

1637
01:22:35,205 --> 01:22:37,124
even if it seems crazy and weird.

1638
01:22:39,418 --> 01:22:42,671
You can have your kinks,
and that's perfectly fine.

1639
01:22:42,754 --> 01:22:46,008
But don't invite people into your kinks
without them knowing

1640
01:22:46,091 --> 01:22:48,468
that that's exactly what
they're going to be in.

1641
01:22:48,552 --> 01:22:51,513
If I knew I was getting
into Russ's fantasy world

1642
01:22:51,597 --> 01:22:54,099
and living out whatever fantasies
he wanted to see,

1643
01:22:54,183 --> 01:22:57,311
I probably would've felt different
about it. But I was supposed to be

1644
01:22:57,394 --> 01:23:00,189
in a survive my own horror experience,

1645
01:23:00,272 --> 01:23:04,234
not survive, like,
Russ McKamey's fantasy experience.

1646
01:23:05,068 --> 01:23:08,113
[Russ]
Am I still doing tours? Of course!

1647
01:23:08,197 --> 01:23:11,241
I have a tour this weekend!

1648
01:23:11,325 --> 01:23:13,785
[on TV] I have a heart murmur
I need to get taken care of.

1649
01:23:13,869 --> 01:23:17,831
I have surgery in about a month.
If I, if I can get medically cleared,

1650
01:23:17,915 --> 01:23:21,502
um, hopefully, fingers crossed,
in six months, I'll be up for a tour.

1651
01:23:21,585 --> 01:23:24,671
My name is Shelby.
I'm from Scotland.

1652
01:23:24,755 --> 01:23:26,423
I work in the dental field.

1653
01:23:26,507 --> 01:23:28,717
I'm a professional nurse.

1654
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,970
I hold a very high position in a company.

1655
01:23:32,054 --> 01:23:35,724
I would love to go visit Russ,
and I would love to hang out with him.

1656
01:23:35,807 --> 01:23:39,061
I'd love to take a tour at some point
when I can get to the South.

1657
01:23:39,144 --> 01:23:42,314
I wanna take the tour because
I love the survival horror movie.

1658
01:23:42,397 --> 01:23:44,983
I need to challenge myself
a little bit more,

1659
01:23:45,067 --> 01:23:47,361
and this would be the ultimate challenge.

1660
01:23:47,444 --> 01:23:50,989
If I were to be put in that situation,

1661
01:23:51,073 --> 01:23:53,200
I would be able to survive.

1662
01:23:53,283 --> 01:23:56,787
I could get out of that.
That would never happen to me.

1663
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:58,789
McKamey Manor, I'm coming for you.

1664
01:23:58,872 --> 01:24:02,417
Drown me, beat me, torture me.

1665
01:24:02,501 --> 01:24:05,796
I'm here for all of it.
And my kids are gonna watch all of it.

1666
01:24:05,879 --> 01:24:09,842
The manor is safe, it's fun,

1667
01:24:09,925 --> 01:24:13,762
and it will take you to your limit.

1668
01:24:13,846 --> 01:24:16,849
♪♪

1669
01:24:20,269 --> 01:24:23,689
-[wind blowing]
-[birds chirping]

1670
01:24:28,986 --> 01:24:30,487
-[exhales]
-[wiping]

1671
01:24:35,492 --> 01:24:37,494
[victim]
No. [whimpering]

1672
01:24:38,287 --> 01:24:39,788
[Russ sighs]

1673
01:25:17,159 --> 01:25:20,162
[♪ soft ukulele music playing]

1674
01:25:27,961 --> 01:25:30,964
[♪ vocalizing]

1675
01:25:51,026 --> 01:25:54,029
[♪ ukulele, vocalizing continue]

1676
01:26:10,420 --> 01:26:14,925
♪ Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum ♪

1677
01:26:15,717 --> 01:26:20,222
♪ Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum ♪

1678
01:26:21,139 --> 01:26:25,644
♪ Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum ♪

1679
01:26:26,436 --> 01:26:30,065
♪ Bum bum bum ba-ah ♪

1680
01:26:31,859 --> 01:26:34,862
[♪ vocalizing]

1681
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,123
[♪ music fades out]