1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,432 -♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 2 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:20,103 KELSEY NIELSEN: You guys, 3 00:00:20,145 --> 00:00:21,438 I actually had a dream last night 4 00:00:21,479 --> 00:00:24,149 that we went to the, like, supreme court in Virginia 5 00:00:24,190 --> 00:00:26,943 and were, like, demanding them to investigate Renee. 6 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:28,445 (LAUGHS) 7 00:00:28,486 --> 00:00:29,529 Oh, my God! 8 00:00:29,612 --> 00:00:32,699 Yes, we do the work online, we call out behavior, 9 00:00:33,950 --> 00:00:36,745 but it needs something beyond that. 10 00:00:37,912 --> 00:00:40,623 We want Renee to be held accountable 11 00:00:40,665 --> 00:00:41,916 in the courts of law. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,086 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 13 00:00:47,255 --> 00:00:49,090 KELSEY: You've never seen a White person go to jail 14 00:00:49,174 --> 00:00:50,592 here, right? There's never been. 15 00:00:50,675 --> 00:00:53,678 Maybe this is where, like, the tides turn. 16 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:56,931 OLIVIA ALASO: If we don't get justice, 17 00:00:57,015 --> 00:00:59,059 who knows someone else is going to come 18 00:00:59,142 --> 00:01:02,103 in the face of Renee and do the same thing. 19 00:01:02,187 --> 00:01:05,357 Renee Bach, wherever you are, you can't stop me 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,275 because I am trying to find justice 21 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:09,110 for the innocent Ugandan children 22 00:01:09,194 --> 00:01:10,403 who were killed. 23 00:01:11,780 --> 00:01:13,531 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 24 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:17,619 -♪ (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(INDISTINCT SHOUTING) 25 00:01:17,702 --> 00:01:19,662 MISSIONARY 1: Um, it was the clearest 26 00:01:19,704 --> 00:01:22,332 I've ever heard God speak to me in my entire life. 27 00:01:22,374 --> 00:01:24,542 -♪ Let Jesus lead me... ♪ -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) 28 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:26,086 MISSIONARY 1: I heard His voice, like, 29 00:01:26,169 --> 00:01:28,505 audibly inside my body. 30 00:01:28,546 --> 00:01:30,173 MISSIONARY 2: I just surrendered my life. 31 00:01:30,215 --> 00:01:32,092 The Lord told me, "That's where you're going." 32 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:33,301 MISSIONARY 3: He really did call me... 33 00:01:33,385 --> 00:01:35,220 MISSIONARY 4: God really put on my heart... 34 00:01:35,261 --> 00:01:37,013 MISSIONARY 5: This is what the Lord has been saying. 35 00:01:37,055 --> 00:01:38,765 We're supposed to go to Africa. 36 00:01:40,183 --> 00:01:42,727 ♪ Earth to heaven... ♪ 37 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:45,313 RENEE BACH: My name is Renee Bach. 38 00:01:45,397 --> 00:01:48,066 I came to Uganda for the first time in 2007, 39 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:49,150 and the Lord just really 40 00:01:49,234 --> 00:01:50,902 grabbed my heart for the people of Uganda. 41 00:01:50,985 --> 00:01:54,739 And I started a nonprofit called Serving His Children. 42 00:01:54,823 --> 00:01:56,282 OLIVIA: It started way back. 43 00:01:57,701 --> 00:02:01,162 These organizations believe that they're heaven-sent. 44 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:03,456 KELSEY: It's like the God card is pulled out 45 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:04,958 -whenever you need it... -OLIVIA: Oh, yeah. 46 00:02:05,041 --> 00:02:07,419 KELSEY: ...and you can use it to justify anything. 47 00:02:13,508 --> 00:02:17,387 ♪ (THEME MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 48 00:02:22,559 --> 00:02:26,479 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 49 00:02:29,107 --> 00:02:32,402 (CAR ENGINE RUMBLING) 50 00:02:36,656 --> 00:02:39,325 RENEE: When we first came back to the U.S., 51 00:02:39,409 --> 00:02:41,619 it was kind of this, like, tough transition. 52 00:02:41,703 --> 00:02:45,290 And it was, kind of, hard to have that mental change, 53 00:02:45,373 --> 00:02:48,793 going from, "Oh, we're just here for a visit," 54 00:02:48,877 --> 00:02:50,795 to, "Oh, we live here now." 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,343 For a while, I hid out and hibernated. 56 00:02:56,426 --> 00:02:59,179 Even Zoriah, you know, when I adopted her, 57 00:02:59,262 --> 00:03:00,680 I didn't put anything on social media 58 00:03:00,764 --> 00:03:04,392 to the point where people would contact my family members 59 00:03:04,476 --> 00:03:06,269 and be like, "We know Renee was gonna adopt, 60 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:07,395 but, like, did it fall through 61 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:09,814 'cause we haven't seen anything?" 62 00:03:09,856 --> 00:03:12,400 But I didn't feel comfortable, like, posting it. 63 00:03:16,404 --> 00:03:18,239 All right, you got all your stuff, girly? 64 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:20,950 (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 65 00:03:20,992 --> 00:03:24,788 RENEE: I feel, like, Selah lost her entire identity 66 00:03:24,829 --> 00:03:26,331 as a Ugandan citizen. 67 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:30,502 And I think one of the hardest parts for her is that 68 00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:33,171 we live in a staunchly, 69 00:03:33,213 --> 00:03:36,216 straight-up, White Southern community. 70 00:03:36,299 --> 00:03:38,677 Her whole life, she's just wanted to fit in 71 00:03:38,718 --> 00:03:41,221 and, like, she can't really do that as easily here. 72 00:03:49,646 --> 00:03:51,731 LAURI BACH: I'm doing what I can 73 00:03:51,815 --> 00:03:54,609 to keep Serving His Children functioning. 74 00:03:54,693 --> 00:03:57,529 You know, it costs money to operate 75 00:03:57,570 --> 00:04:01,616 and after No White Saviors came on the scene, 76 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:04,077 donations dropped about 50 percent. 77 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,204 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 78 00:04:06,287 --> 00:04:09,249 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 79 00:04:09,332 --> 00:04:12,627 -LAURI: Hi Emma! -Hey! Hey, how are you? 80 00:04:12,711 --> 00:04:15,171 -LAURI: Good! -Hey, Emma. 81 00:04:15,213 --> 00:04:17,048 How are ya? (CLEARS THROAT) 82 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:21,553 EMMA GAHIMA: 83 00:04:23,471 --> 00:04:25,807 -LAURI: Yeah -It's hard, right? 'Cause I know 84 00:04:25,890 --> 00:04:27,475 that you're the one there on the ground. 85 00:04:27,559 --> 00:04:30,729 And, as you know, that's like a big issue. 86 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:32,647 So we're not able to fundraise publicly. 87 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:35,692 So it's hard to commit to provide 88 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:38,737 more nutritional services if we don't have the... 89 00:04:38,778 --> 00:04:41,573 the income coming here to send there. 90 00:04:42,741 --> 00:04:44,743 EMMA: 91 00:04:54,586 --> 00:04:56,755 RENEE: Yeah, they'll ruin everyone's crops. 92 00:05:01,009 --> 00:05:05,347 As far as Serving His Children, honestly, I feel like 93 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:07,849 my legs have really been, like, cut off. 94 00:05:07,932 --> 00:05:10,435 And so, like, the irony is, is that 95 00:05:10,518 --> 00:05:14,356 Kelsey and her band of No White Savior followers 96 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:16,858 feel like they're saving Uganda 97 00:05:16,941 --> 00:05:21,571 from just unthinkable harm and damage. 98 00:05:21,613 --> 00:05:23,907 But who's serving these kids now? 99 00:05:23,948 --> 00:05:25,200 Like, is it Kelsey? 100 00:05:25,283 --> 00:05:28,119 Like, she hasn't posted about it online, 101 00:05:28,203 --> 00:05:29,621 so I'm pretty sure it's not happening. 102 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:36,294 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 103 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,380 PODCAST HOST: Today, we've got Kelsey Nielsen 104 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:40,256 from No White Saviors. 105 00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:41,966 KELSEY: This case with Renee Bach, 106 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:44,678 we've done everything in our power with our platform 107 00:05:44,761 --> 00:05:46,763 and with the work that we're doing. 108 00:05:46,805 --> 00:05:51,101 And so, we just ended up meeting with some lawyers in Uganda. 109 00:05:51,142 --> 00:05:52,727 (PHONE RINGING) 110 00:05:53,978 --> 00:05:56,898 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 111 00:05:57,774 --> 00:05:58,858 PRIMAH KWAGALA: 112 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:29,180 She was not an EMT, not a nurse, not a doctor. 113 00:06:29,222 --> 00:06:31,474 No formal medical training. 114 00:06:32,392 --> 00:06:33,601 PRIMAH: 115 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:50,702 ♪ (INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING ON LAPTOP) ♪ 116 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:54,998 RENEE: In the summer of 2009, Serving His Children 117 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,834 planted itself among the people of Masese, Uganda. 118 00:06:57,876 --> 00:06:59,669 Our goal was to provide hope to families 119 00:06:59,711 --> 00:07:01,755 being torn apart by malnutrition... 120 00:07:02,881 --> 00:07:05,091 PRIMAH: 121 00:07:25,987 --> 00:07:30,950 I feel that I get closest to the kids in our ICU 122 00:07:31,034 --> 00:07:33,036 and the kids who are the sickest. 123 00:07:35,288 --> 00:07:38,249 PRIMAH: 124 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:41,753 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 125 00:07:46,049 --> 00:07:48,802 PRIMAH: 126 00:08:22,711 --> 00:08:24,295 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 127 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:28,258 PRIMAH: 128 00:08:28,299 --> 00:08:29,509 (LAUGHS) 129 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:53,825 (INSECTS CHIRPING) 130 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:58,288 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 131 00:09:00,248 --> 00:09:03,626 -(VILLAGERS LAUGHING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 132 00:09:04,336 --> 00:09:06,004 (PHONE RINGING IN DISTANCE) 133 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:10,800 PRIMAH: 134 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,138 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 135 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:18,933 PRIMAH: 136 00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:17,951 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONTINUES PLAYING) ♪ 137 00:10:18,034 --> 00:10:19,119 (MOUSE CLICKS) 138 00:10:23,415 --> 00:10:25,834 PRIMAH: 139 00:10:29,504 --> 00:10:31,589 (PAGES RUSTLING) 140 00:10:31,631 --> 00:10:37,262 PRIMAH: 141 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:04,956 Okay, let me just refresh it. 142 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,624 ♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 143 00:11:06,708 --> 00:11:08,418 -PRIMAH: Hi. -Hi, guys! 144 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:11,921 For people who actually want to support our cause, 145 00:11:11,963 --> 00:11:13,673 spread the message out there. 146 00:11:13,757 --> 00:11:16,843 We use our social media to fundraise 147 00:11:16,926 --> 00:11:19,262 for, you know, the Renee Bach case. 148 00:11:19,304 --> 00:11:21,014 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 149 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:23,099 OLIVIA: Primah said, being pro bono, 150 00:11:23,141 --> 00:11:26,936 "I will need some resources to go and find these people 151 00:11:26,978 --> 00:11:28,813 that lost their children." 152 00:11:28,897 --> 00:11:31,149 So I said, "Okay. Our platform is still young, 153 00:11:31,232 --> 00:11:34,611 but we can fundraise and, you know, support this case. 154 00:11:34,652 --> 00:11:35,653 Let's go!" 155 00:11:35,737 --> 00:11:39,699 (COMPUTER CHIMING) 156 00:11:39,783 --> 00:11:42,160 We're so grateful for all the legal, um, funds 157 00:11:42,202 --> 00:11:43,995 -that you have donated. -(COMPUTER CHIMES) 158 00:11:46,331 --> 00:11:48,708 KELSEY: And we're so thankful for all the times you've shared. 159 00:11:48,792 --> 00:11:53,129 -♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(MOUSE CLICKING) 160 00:11:53,171 --> 00:11:55,632 OLIVIA: And that's how Primah gets to go to the field 161 00:11:55,674 --> 00:11:58,009 and talk to these families. 162 00:11:58,093 --> 00:12:01,137 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 163 00:12:09,062 --> 00:12:11,147 PRIMAH: 164 00:12:14,901 --> 00:12:17,862 -♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 165 00:12:19,614 --> 00:12:21,533 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 166 00:12:26,037 --> 00:12:28,540 (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 167 00:12:36,631 --> 00:12:39,050 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 168 00:12:40,385 --> 00:12:42,178 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 169 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:43,304 (CHUCKLES) 170 00:12:44,139 --> 00:12:46,182 PRIMAH: 171 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:58,069 (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 172 00:12:59,404 --> 00:13:01,573 -(SIGHS, LAUGHS) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 173 00:13:01,656 --> 00:13:04,242 ♪ (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 174 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:21,801 KAKAI ANNET: 175 00:13:28,433 --> 00:13:31,311 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 176 00:13:41,321 --> 00:13:44,115 (CHILDREN SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 177 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:45,909 (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 178 00:13:45,950 --> 00:13:48,161 (PRIMAH LAUGHS) 179 00:13:50,413 --> 00:13:53,083 KAKAI: 180 00:14:18,983 --> 00:14:22,570 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 181 00:14:24,739 --> 00:14:27,951 (BOTH SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 182 00:14:33,581 --> 00:14:35,959 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 183 00:14:59,691 --> 00:15:02,861 (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 184 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:06,197 (CHICKENS CLUCKING) 185 00:15:10,785 --> 00:15:14,748 GIMBO ZUBEDA: 186 00:15:14,831 --> 00:15:16,207 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 187 00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:17,625 GIMBO: 188 00:15:23,882 --> 00:15:26,634 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 189 00:15:31,014 --> 00:15:34,267 ZIRIA NAMUTAMBA: 190 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:05,215 (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 191 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:15,600 PRIMAH: 192 00:16:19,938 --> 00:16:22,399 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 193 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,526 ZIRIA: 194 00:16:24,609 --> 00:16:26,361 PRIMAH: 195 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,414 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 196 00:16:47,132 --> 00:16:50,051 -(MOUSE CLICKS) -♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 197 00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:59,227 PRIMAH: 198 00:18:15,011 --> 00:18:18,890 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 199 00:18:18,973 --> 00:18:21,851 WPI EMPLOYEE: 200 00:18:26,106 --> 00:18:30,902 PRIMAH: 201 00:18:46,876 --> 00:18:49,421 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 202 00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:53,466 OLIVIA: Being here right now... 203 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,512 I feel that we've moved a step to justice. 204 00:19:01,099 --> 00:19:03,435 KELSEY: WPI just filed the case 205 00:19:03,518 --> 00:19:06,438 against Serving His Children and Renee Bach. 206 00:19:06,521 --> 00:19:10,025 -(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 207 00:19:10,108 --> 00:19:11,359 KELSEY: It's a big day. 208 00:19:11,443 --> 00:19:14,279 OLIVIA: Yeah, it's a big day for these families. 209 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,616 It's also a big day for us as the No White Savior team. 210 00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:19,826 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 211 00:19:25,248 --> 00:19:28,293 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 212 00:19:28,335 --> 00:19:30,462 -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ -(WINDCHIMES TINKLING) 213 00:19:30,545 --> 00:19:33,631 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(BUZZES) 214 00:19:37,177 --> 00:19:38,720 LAURI: We found out through a donor 215 00:19:38,762 --> 00:19:40,722 that we were being sued. 216 00:19:40,805 --> 00:19:43,600 And, of course, No White Saviors posted pictures 217 00:19:43,641 --> 00:19:45,810 of Olivia standing outside the courthouse 218 00:19:45,894 --> 00:19:49,773 holding their like, "We have a 120-page document 219 00:19:49,814 --> 00:19:52,525 proving that Renee Bach is guilty of all these things, 220 00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:54,486 justice is finally gonna be served." 221 00:19:54,569 --> 00:19:59,199 And I can remember pinching the screen on my iPhone 222 00:19:59,282 --> 00:20:01,326 to try to read what the charges were... 223 00:20:02,494 --> 00:20:03,828 because I didn't know. 224 00:20:03,912 --> 00:20:06,331 ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 225 00:20:06,373 --> 00:20:09,209 LAURI: It was not until two days later 226 00:20:09,292 --> 00:20:12,754 when we finally received a copy of the lawsuit. 227 00:20:15,382 --> 00:20:17,717 At first, it was like shock. 228 00:20:17,801 --> 00:20:20,178 You know, it was like-- There's so many wild, 229 00:20:20,261 --> 00:20:22,013 crazy accusations. 230 00:20:27,936 --> 00:20:29,312 We found it kind of interesting 231 00:20:29,354 --> 00:20:32,148 that the human rights statutes that they cited, 232 00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:35,860 they were really written for war crimes. 233 00:20:35,944 --> 00:20:38,363 When they're talking about torture and inhumane treatment, 234 00:20:38,446 --> 00:20:40,699 it's typically war crimes, 235 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:43,660 not mothers who took their child to a clinic. 236 00:20:48,665 --> 00:20:52,043 RENEE: I was so disappointed and so broken that someone 237 00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:56,840 would say, "Oh, it's your fault that these children died." 238 00:20:56,881 --> 00:20:58,550 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(DOG BARKS IN DISTANCE) 239 00:20:58,633 --> 00:21:01,261 RENEE: I mean, I've not denied 240 00:21:01,344 --> 00:21:03,930 being more involved in the medical side 241 00:21:04,014 --> 00:21:06,891 of Serving His Children than I should have. 242 00:21:06,975 --> 00:21:12,063 But the only reason I did that is to help save someone's life. 243 00:21:14,107 --> 00:21:15,483 I did not... 244 00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:19,320 kill children. 245 00:21:20,238 --> 00:21:21,406 SHANNON BREAM: A Christian missionary 246 00:21:21,448 --> 00:21:22,615 is fighting to clear her name tonight 247 00:21:22,699 --> 00:21:25,744 following accusations by two mothers in Uganda 248 00:21:25,785 --> 00:21:28,580 and a group called No White Saviors. 249 00:21:28,663 --> 00:21:32,125 I have never represented myself as a medical professional 250 00:21:32,208 --> 00:21:33,918 or a health worker of any type. 251 00:21:34,002 --> 00:21:35,545 It's very sad when a missionary 252 00:21:35,587 --> 00:21:38,423 or humanitarian wants to go into a third world, 253 00:21:38,506 --> 00:21:40,675 or a health crisis somewhere like in Uganda 254 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:42,344 and they come under these attacks 255 00:21:42,427 --> 00:21:45,555 with no way to really defend yourself effectively. 256 00:21:45,597 --> 00:21:48,683 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 257 00:21:53,730 --> 00:21:56,274 DAVID GIBBS: This vehicle really is, kind of, 258 00:21:56,316 --> 00:21:59,444 a rolling litigation and legal help machine. 259 00:22:00,862 --> 00:22:04,574 This case had some significance for a couple of reasons. 260 00:22:04,616 --> 00:22:05,992 Number one, she didn't do anything wrong. 261 00:22:06,076 --> 00:22:10,747 But number two, missionaries are under attack. 262 00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:15,543 If the anti-missionary rhetoric in today's world 263 00:22:15,627 --> 00:22:17,879 reaches the point where anyone 264 00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:20,757 that wants to go into a foreign country 265 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:25,136 is perceived as somehow colonial or racist, 266 00:22:25,178 --> 00:22:27,931 it might shut down world missions. 267 00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:33,436 The lawsuit in Uganda was a civil case, 268 00:22:33,478 --> 00:22:35,980 so if we lose, nobody's going to jail. 269 00:22:37,399 --> 00:22:39,734 As I read the lawsuit, I felt, like, 270 00:22:39,818 --> 00:22:43,071 this was very much activist litigation. 271 00:22:43,154 --> 00:22:45,699 And these are sad situations. 272 00:22:45,782 --> 00:22:49,285 I mean, these were desperately sick children who had died, 273 00:22:49,327 --> 00:22:51,496 and so there's no question 274 00:22:51,538 --> 00:22:54,666 that, you know, this is a horrific loss. 275 00:22:54,749 --> 00:23:00,505 But there was not the link between Renee's alleged actions 276 00:23:00,547 --> 00:23:01,965 and the death of the children. 277 00:23:03,591 --> 00:23:08,513 And so, I really believe that if we could talk directly 278 00:23:08,596 --> 00:23:09,848 to the mothers, that there would be 279 00:23:09,931 --> 00:23:13,435 some opportunity to see it resolved at mediation. 280 00:23:13,518 --> 00:23:17,522 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 281 00:23:26,281 --> 00:23:28,324 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 282 00:23:28,366 --> 00:23:32,120 PRIMAH: 283 00:23:37,417 --> 00:23:39,961 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 284 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:52,724 DAVID: We pray for this mediation, Lord. 285 00:23:52,807 --> 00:23:56,227 We just pray now that we would properly represent You, 286 00:23:56,311 --> 00:23:58,021 these organizations, Renee, 287 00:23:58,063 --> 00:24:00,774 as her testimony and reputation is literally on trial, 288 00:24:00,857 --> 00:24:03,109 that, uh, they would hear the truth of her heart 289 00:24:03,193 --> 00:24:04,569 this morning in Christ's name. 290 00:24:04,652 --> 00:24:06,488 -Amen. -RENEE'S PARENTS: Amen. 291 00:24:10,742 --> 00:24:12,786 RENEE: So, firstly, I'd like to say 292 00:24:12,869 --> 00:24:17,749 that I'm very sorry for the loss of these two children, 293 00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:20,752 and my heart hurts for their families. 294 00:24:20,794 --> 00:24:23,755 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 295 00:24:24,631 --> 00:24:27,008 LAURI: Kakai Annet brought her child 296 00:24:27,092 --> 00:24:30,512 to Serving His Children to ask for treatment. 297 00:24:30,595 --> 00:24:33,640 She got a ride in the car with Renee and our staff 298 00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:36,726 as they were making their daily trip out to Kigandalo. 299 00:24:36,768 --> 00:24:39,479 The child was assessed by Constance, our nurse, 300 00:24:39,562 --> 00:24:41,773 and determined that his primary condition 301 00:24:41,856 --> 00:24:44,359 was tuberculosis, not malnutrition, 302 00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:47,987 and they weren't able to admit him. 303 00:24:48,071 --> 00:24:50,782 RENEE: He was never under the care of any 304 00:24:50,824 --> 00:24:52,617 Serving His Children personnel. 305 00:24:52,701 --> 00:24:57,956 And so, I'm not sure how anyone could place blame 306 00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:01,543 on Serving His Children, and certainly me personally. 307 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:04,796 (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 308 00:25:07,132 --> 00:25:09,968 (IN ENGLISH) On the side of Twalali... 309 00:25:10,927 --> 00:25:14,222 I'm sorry to say that I don't know his mom 310 00:25:14,305 --> 00:25:16,474 or his grandmother, 311 00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,852 but I can see in his file 312 00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:21,479 that the staff of Serving His Children, 313 00:25:21,521 --> 00:25:23,481 did everything in their power 314 00:25:23,523 --> 00:25:25,817 to try to save the life of Twalali. 315 00:25:27,068 --> 00:25:30,113 LAURI: Twalali was a child who did pass away 316 00:25:30,155 --> 00:25:31,239 at Serving His Children. 317 00:25:34,492 --> 00:25:35,952 He'd been sick for quite some time 318 00:25:35,994 --> 00:25:37,495 and was in pretty severe condition 319 00:25:37,579 --> 00:25:39,330 when he arrived. 320 00:25:39,414 --> 00:25:42,751 RENEE: I'm confident that he got good care while he was there. 321 00:25:42,834 --> 00:25:45,712 He saw multiple physicians, 322 00:25:45,795 --> 00:25:47,922 but I don't have a lot to comment on it 323 00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:51,009 because I wasn't there and I never saw him. 324 00:25:51,926 --> 00:25:54,012 I was in the United States... 325 00:25:58,266 --> 00:26:02,562 I was doing fundraising, and I actually left the country 326 00:26:02,645 --> 00:26:04,731 the day that Twalali was admitted. 327 00:26:05,982 --> 00:26:10,570 It's possible that Mama Twalali or Jaja Twalali 328 00:26:10,653 --> 00:26:14,824 saw another mzungu there, but it was not me. 329 00:26:15,784 --> 00:26:18,870 Maybe she needs to change her statement. 330 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:25,752 LAWYER: 331 00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:37,013 KAKAI: (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 332 00:26:56,616 --> 00:26:59,285 -(SOBS) -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 333 00:27:09,629 --> 00:27:13,091 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 334 00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:44,622 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 335 00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:47,876 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 336 00:27:49,878 --> 00:27:52,756 RENEE: Oh! Are you splashing in the water? 337 00:27:55,216 --> 00:27:57,260 I think just like hearing these two moms 338 00:27:57,302 --> 00:28:00,305 and the emotional hurt that they've gone through... 339 00:28:00,388 --> 00:28:02,140 She's not crying. 340 00:28:02,223 --> 00:28:05,602 ...I hope, um, that they felt, like, heard. 341 00:28:05,643 --> 00:28:07,812 You wanna get in here too, Seh? 342 00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:10,148 Because we don't have any, like, ill will towards them 343 00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:14,569 or, you know, like, we are so devastated for your loss 344 00:28:14,652 --> 00:28:17,322 and, like, my heart hurts for you. 345 00:28:17,364 --> 00:28:20,492 But while saying that, like, Serving His Children 346 00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:24,829 and myself are not responsible for those deaths, and I, like, 347 00:28:24,913 --> 00:28:26,873 need you to understand that and hear that. 348 00:28:26,956 --> 00:28:28,458 You ready to go night-night? 349 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:30,210 And even if they were to say, 350 00:28:30,293 --> 00:28:31,836 "Hey, we just want this small amount of money 351 00:28:31,878 --> 00:28:33,088 and we can make this all go away," 352 00:28:33,171 --> 00:28:34,756 um, I don't think that we would feel comfortable 353 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,091 agreeing to that. 354 00:28:39,386 --> 00:28:41,971 (CHICKENS CLUCKING) 355 00:28:42,013 --> 00:28:46,059 ♪ (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 356 00:28:47,435 --> 00:28:49,521 KAKAI: (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 357 00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:19,509 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 358 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:27,851 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 359 00:29:50,874 --> 00:29:54,252 ♪ (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 360 00:29:56,421 --> 00:29:58,173 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 361 00:29:58,256 --> 00:29:59,841 JANE AMALI: (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 362 00:30:04,512 --> 00:30:07,098 (WATER BURBLING) 363 00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:09,267 JANE: 364 00:30:36,711 --> 00:30:38,338 DOCTOR: Patricia! 365 00:30:40,548 --> 00:30:43,968 JANE: 366 00:30:57,774 --> 00:30:59,234 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 367 00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:24,175 JANE: (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 368 00:31:28,805 --> 00:31:30,056 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 369 00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:32,183 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 370 00:31:32,225 --> 00:31:35,311 -(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) -PRIMAH: 371 00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:38,440 -(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) -PRIMAH: 372 00:31:40,025 --> 00:31:41,234 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 373 00:31:42,235 --> 00:31:43,486 PRIMAH: 374 00:31:54,956 --> 00:31:56,207 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 375 00:31:57,042 --> 00:32:02,213 (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 376 00:32:12,557 --> 00:32:14,142 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 377 00:32:39,084 --> 00:32:40,585 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 378 00:32:40,627 --> 00:32:42,379 JANE: (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 379 00:32:47,926 --> 00:32:50,011 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 380 00:32:50,762 --> 00:32:52,013 PRIMAH: (IN ENGLISH) 381 00:33:07,779 --> 00:33:09,989 -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 382 00:33:10,073 --> 00:33:12,325 We are gonna be doing a push for, like, an update 383 00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:15,161 -for the Renee Bach case. -Yes. 384 00:33:15,245 --> 00:33:17,914 OLIVIA: We want to trust our judicial system, 385 00:33:17,956 --> 00:33:20,667 but it takes a lot of time, and... 386 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,837 we are not lawyers, 387 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,506 -we are activists. -(COMPUTER CHIMES) 388 00:33:29,259 --> 00:33:31,636 OLIVIA: I will not sit here and tell you that 389 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,681 these children died while Renee was praying for them. 390 00:33:34,764 --> 00:33:37,600 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 391 00:33:38,893 --> 00:33:41,187 OLIVIA: She was working on them. 392 00:33:45,275 --> 00:33:47,736 She was not qualified to do this. 393 00:33:47,819 --> 00:33:53,658 -♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) 394 00:33:55,326 --> 00:33:57,412 OLIVIA: Our biggest fear is 395 00:33:57,495 --> 00:33:59,956 if we don't create this awareness, 396 00:33:59,998 --> 00:34:01,791 if we don't push these photos out there, 397 00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:04,336 are we going to wake up to the shock of our lives that... 398 00:34:05,378 --> 00:34:07,213 all charges dropped on this woman? 399 00:34:07,297 --> 00:34:11,176 How did an American missionary conduct medical work in Uganda 400 00:34:11,217 --> 00:34:12,927 without any qualifications? 401 00:34:12,969 --> 00:34:15,347 This woman turned the Ugandan children 402 00:34:15,388 --> 00:34:18,141 into bodies to experiment on. 403 00:34:19,476 --> 00:34:22,812 (MOUSE CLICKING) 404 00:34:27,317 --> 00:34:30,236 OLIVIA: This is a woman who is sitting freely 405 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,780 in the United States 406 00:34:31,863 --> 00:34:34,532 after committing such things on our children. 407 00:34:40,663 --> 00:34:42,749 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 408 00:34:42,832 --> 00:34:45,960 RENEE: We were supposed to go to court on March 12th, 2019, 409 00:34:46,044 --> 00:34:47,253 and court got pushed. 410 00:34:47,337 --> 00:34:49,172 And we, like, kept getting pushed back, pushed back, 411 00:34:49,214 --> 00:34:53,218 and then coronavirus shut everything down in Uganda. 412 00:34:53,259 --> 00:34:55,720 And I felt like, all of a sudden, 413 00:34:55,762 --> 00:34:58,390 my life was, like, on display for everybody. 414 00:34:58,932 --> 00:35:02,394 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 415 00:35:02,477 --> 00:35:04,229 RENEE: When I go into a store I'm like 416 00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:06,898 really thankful that everyone wears masks. (LAUGHS) 417 00:35:06,981 --> 00:35:08,733 -Hi, how are you? -CASHIER: Good. 418 00:35:08,775 --> 00:35:12,904 RENEE: I think that Kelsey 100 percent believes 419 00:35:12,987 --> 00:35:16,199 that we were just having an experimental lab every day 420 00:35:16,241 --> 00:35:19,119 and just living footloose and fancy free. 421 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,913 Like, no. 422 00:35:24,082 --> 00:35:26,543 For example, that one classic photo 423 00:35:26,584 --> 00:35:29,004 of me, like, putting an IV catheter 424 00:35:29,087 --> 00:35:30,922 into a child's head... 425 00:35:30,964 --> 00:35:32,090 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 426 00:35:32,132 --> 00:35:35,635 RENEE: ...that's like been used to completely crucify me. 427 00:35:38,596 --> 00:35:41,725 There was two nurses and a doctor 428 00:35:41,766 --> 00:35:43,184 present in that room. 429 00:35:44,352 --> 00:35:47,272 And are like, "Hey, this kid needs an IV really bad." 430 00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:49,274 And like, "We've been trying and trying and trying 431 00:35:49,357 --> 00:35:51,901 and cannot put in an IV. Like, can you help us?" 432 00:35:53,445 --> 00:35:55,280 But, you know, never let the truth 433 00:35:55,363 --> 00:35:57,032 get in the way of a good story. 434 00:35:57,115 --> 00:35:58,408 (CHILDREN CRYING) 435 00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:01,119 -(CRICKETS CHIRPING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 436 00:36:01,202 --> 00:36:04,539 -(CRICKETS CHIRPING) -(DOG BARKS) 437 00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:07,459 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 438 00:36:08,668 --> 00:36:11,212 PRIMAH: 439 00:36:16,718 --> 00:36:17,802 (MOUSE CLICKS) 440 00:36:24,017 --> 00:36:25,810 PRIMAH: 441 00:36:39,115 --> 00:36:40,492 No White Saviors has been out here 442 00:36:40,575 --> 00:36:42,702 doing the damn thing since 2018. 443 00:36:42,786 --> 00:36:44,746 You ladies are amazing, thank you so much. 444 00:36:44,829 --> 00:36:46,956 I want to give you, like, a round of applause. 445 00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:50,418 PRIMAH: 446 00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:19,364 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 447 00:37:21,366 --> 00:37:24,077 WENDY LUBEGA: I'll just call Kelsey. Oh. 448 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,912 -KELSEY: Hello. -OLIVIA: Hi, Kelsey. 449 00:37:25,995 --> 00:37:28,915 KELSEY: How can we strategize on what to do? 450 00:37:28,998 --> 00:37:31,376 Because we're not gonna just give up on this. 451 00:37:32,502 --> 00:37:33,628 There's power in numbers. 452 00:37:33,712 --> 00:37:36,256 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 453 00:37:36,339 --> 00:37:39,259 KELSEY: And the people who have the power 454 00:37:40,093 --> 00:37:41,177 are the ones that decide 455 00:37:41,219 --> 00:37:42,846 who gets held accountable and who doesn't. 456 00:37:42,929 --> 00:37:45,890 There is the possibility that charges could be brought 457 00:37:45,932 --> 00:37:47,809 against Renee and Serving His Children 458 00:37:47,892 --> 00:37:48,727 in the U.S. 459 00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:52,772 Maybe mobilize organizations within her state 460 00:37:52,856 --> 00:37:56,860 to put pressure on agencies that are responsible 461 00:37:56,901 --> 00:37:58,653 -to bring her to account. -KELSEY: Yeah. 462 00:37:58,737 --> 00:38:00,196 At this point, it would have to be 463 00:38:00,238 --> 00:38:03,074 the FBI office in Lynchburg, Virginia. 464 00:38:03,158 --> 00:38:04,242 OLIVIA: Yeah. 465 00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:05,577 KELSEY: Can we work on a post about that? 466 00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:07,454 -Oh, please! Yes! -Oh, yeah! 467 00:38:12,459 --> 00:38:15,545 (MOUSE CLICKING) 468 00:38:15,587 --> 00:38:18,089 KELSEY: The money has been coming in, which is good, 469 00:38:18,131 --> 00:38:22,552 because the funds to be able to, like, exhume bodies 470 00:38:22,594 --> 00:38:23,845 because that's, honestly, 471 00:38:23,928 --> 00:38:25,930 when you're looking at a criminal investigation, 472 00:38:26,014 --> 00:38:28,850 that's when, like, tangible, like, evidence, like, the bodies 473 00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:31,770 of these children would have to be considered. 474 00:38:34,689 --> 00:38:38,026 I think it's dishonest to communicate that, like, 475 00:38:38,109 --> 00:38:40,403 Renee set out to hurt children. 476 00:38:40,945 --> 00:38:42,155 Don't believe that. 477 00:38:42,238 --> 00:38:44,532 But the continued lying, the continued-- 478 00:38:44,616 --> 00:38:46,451 Like, there's just no accountability there. 479 00:38:46,534 --> 00:38:47,911 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 480 00:38:49,871 --> 00:38:52,290 KELSEY: Because she has lost none of her freedom. 481 00:38:52,374 --> 00:38:54,125 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 482 00:38:54,209 --> 00:38:56,127 KELSEY: She's able to live a free life, 483 00:38:56,211 --> 00:38:59,381 she has custody of her children. 484 00:38:59,464 --> 00:39:01,299 Things will not change until people know 485 00:39:01,341 --> 00:39:02,926 there's a consequence. 486 00:39:02,967 --> 00:39:03,968 Okay. Bye, guys! 487 00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:05,845 ROBERT OKOT: 488 00:39:05,929 --> 00:39:07,472 (LAUGHS) Bye, colonizer! 489 00:39:07,555 --> 00:39:09,224 -(CHUCKLES) -OLIVIA: Mm! 490 00:39:09,307 --> 00:39:12,936 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 491 00:39:12,977 --> 00:39:15,814 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 492 00:39:15,897 --> 00:39:17,816 RENEE: There's a lot of just online threats 493 00:39:17,857 --> 00:39:21,403 about them pursuing legal action here in the U.S. 494 00:39:21,486 --> 00:39:23,530 DAVID: Um, as best we can tell, 495 00:39:23,613 --> 00:39:26,366 they wouldn't have standing really to-- 496 00:39:26,449 --> 00:39:28,159 to sue or bring anything forward. 497 00:39:28,201 --> 00:39:31,663 I would say at this point litigation's a pretty low risk. 498 00:39:33,665 --> 00:39:34,791 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 499 00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:37,002 PASTOR: I love what C.S. Lewis says, 500 00:39:37,043 --> 00:39:38,712 "No man knows how bad he is 501 00:39:38,795 --> 00:39:40,880 until he has tried very hard to be good." 502 00:39:40,964 --> 00:39:42,048 Isn't that true? 503 00:39:42,132 --> 00:39:44,926 You know, Kelsey's made some pretty strong statements 504 00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:47,137 about not stopping 505 00:39:47,178 --> 00:39:50,015 until I'm held accountable, and I think in her mind 506 00:39:50,056 --> 00:39:53,393 what that looks like is me going to prison. 507 00:39:54,185 --> 00:39:56,730 Ugandan prison, American prison, 508 00:39:56,813 --> 00:39:59,065 you know, anything will suffice. 509 00:39:59,149 --> 00:40:00,942 PASTOR: I need a God 510 00:40:01,026 --> 00:40:03,528 who can transform me, can give me rest, can give me... 511 00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:04,863 RENEE: I wanna be like, "Renee, 512 00:40:04,946 --> 00:40:07,657 it's just a world of social media." 513 00:40:07,699 --> 00:40:09,451 PASTOR: Sometimes you ever feel beaten down... 514 00:40:09,534 --> 00:40:10,744 RENEE: And then I get another wave 515 00:40:10,827 --> 00:40:13,038 of, like, all these death threats. 516 00:40:13,121 --> 00:40:18,209 And there's a very small grouping of people... 517 00:40:18,251 --> 00:40:23,548 that probably would do something really ridiculous and stupid. 518 00:40:23,631 --> 00:40:24,883 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 519 00:40:30,555 --> 00:40:33,058 (MOUSE CLICKING) 520 00:40:40,482 --> 00:40:42,025 RENEE: Does it hurt? (CHUCKLES) 521 00:40:43,401 --> 00:40:44,736 HAIRDRESSER: Oh, I'm sorry. 522 00:40:44,778 --> 00:40:46,404 RENEE: It would take me four days to put all those braids 523 00:40:46,488 --> 00:40:48,031 in her hair, which is why I don't do it. 524 00:40:48,073 --> 00:40:50,075 SELAH BACH: Yeah, it took like eight hours 525 00:40:50,158 --> 00:40:53,328 and then it only stayed for like a week and a half. 526 00:40:53,411 --> 00:40:55,080 HAIRDRESSER: Mm-hmm. (CHUCKLES) 527 00:40:59,876 --> 00:41:02,587 It's kind of like, "Where to begin?" You know? 528 00:41:03,421 --> 00:41:08,510 (READS PROMPT) 529 00:41:17,602 --> 00:41:21,106 I am currently raising 530 00:41:21,147 --> 00:41:23,024 my children, both of them, 531 00:41:23,108 --> 00:41:25,527 in rural Virginia. 532 00:41:26,945 --> 00:41:31,991 But the reason my 11-year-old Ugandan daughter 533 00:41:32,617 --> 00:41:34,994 spent months and months 534 00:41:35,078 --> 00:41:37,747 crying herself to sleep every night 535 00:41:37,789 --> 00:41:40,375 and asking why she couldn't go back 536 00:41:40,458 --> 00:41:41,793 to her home country 537 00:41:42,961 --> 00:41:46,297 is because she's not safe to go home 538 00:41:46,381 --> 00:41:48,216 because of No White Saviors. 539 00:41:48,299 --> 00:41:50,593 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 540 00:41:57,267 --> 00:41:58,268 (SNORTS) 541 00:41:58,309 --> 00:42:00,478 RENEE: It's very clear that it's 542 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,313 not going to be easy to get to court. 543 00:42:03,148 --> 00:42:04,566 (GROANS) 544 00:42:04,607 --> 00:42:06,651 It could be five years, it could be five months. 545 00:42:06,735 --> 00:42:08,653 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 546 00:42:10,655 --> 00:42:14,325 RENEE: Like, the weight of the case 547 00:42:14,409 --> 00:42:19,330 and, honestly, it was like the social media component 548 00:42:19,414 --> 00:42:21,833 that really just kind of broke me. 549 00:42:23,043 --> 00:42:25,587 Because you always want to protect your kids. 550 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:34,012 DAVID: I think a judge could look at your case 551 00:42:34,095 --> 00:42:36,306 and the judge may just dismiss it out. 552 00:42:37,724 --> 00:42:39,851 I mean, the vast majority 553 00:42:39,934 --> 00:42:42,604 of the children that came into the clinic were helped, 554 00:42:42,687 --> 00:42:45,065 and there was, you know, great success. 555 00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:48,193 But No White Saviors, they can't let it go 556 00:42:48,234 --> 00:42:50,737 because you have become the golden goose for them. 557 00:42:51,821 --> 00:42:54,032 If you look at the old Bible proverb, 558 00:42:54,115 --> 00:42:57,035 "When there is no wood, the fire goes out." 559 00:42:57,118 --> 00:43:00,163 And these are parents who have lost their children. 560 00:43:00,205 --> 00:43:01,456 For us to just 561 00:43:01,498 --> 00:43:04,417 prove that they died of other horrific things 562 00:43:04,501 --> 00:43:06,920 isn't really in their interest either. 563 00:43:07,003 --> 00:43:10,131 ♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 564 00:43:11,091 --> 00:43:15,470 RENEE: I wanted so badly to be cleared 565 00:43:15,553 --> 00:43:17,681 as not guilty. 566 00:43:17,722 --> 00:43:21,726 And I wanted a judge to say to me, 567 00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:24,979 and everyone involved in the backing of this case, 568 00:43:25,063 --> 00:43:29,776 like, "No, you are not responsible 569 00:43:29,859 --> 00:43:31,778 for the deaths of these children." 570 00:43:34,072 --> 00:43:37,409 So it was hard, it was hard to say those words, 571 00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:41,246 like, "Okay let's settle." 572 00:43:49,421 --> 00:43:51,923 ♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 573 00:43:52,507 --> 00:43:55,343 WPI EMPLOYEE: 574 00:44:10,608 --> 00:44:12,152 PRIMAH: 575 00:44:21,494 --> 00:44:25,665 WPI EMPLOYEE: 576 00:44:26,291 --> 00:44:29,127 PRIMAH: 577 00:44:50,899 --> 00:44:53,234 (IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 578 00:45:09,334 --> 00:45:13,463 (IN ENGLISH) 579 00:45:39,948 --> 00:45:42,992 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 580 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,456 PRIMAH: 581 00:46:14,232 --> 00:46:17,235 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 582 00:46:20,655 --> 00:46:23,324 PRODUCER: 583 00:46:24,409 --> 00:46:27,078 WENDY: 584 00:46:36,212 --> 00:46:37,964 Yes! 585 00:46:38,048 --> 00:46:42,093 We might never see Renee held legally responsible 586 00:46:42,177 --> 00:46:44,429 in a way that is gonna satisfy people. 587 00:46:44,512 --> 00:46:46,097 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 588 00:46:46,181 --> 00:46:48,808 RENEE: But the fact that they're closed 589 00:46:48,892 --> 00:46:51,853 and the mothers getting some restitution 590 00:46:51,936 --> 00:46:55,231 is a step in the right direction of accountability. 591 00:46:55,273 --> 00:46:58,902 As well as communicating to the larger 592 00:46:58,943 --> 00:47:02,322 missionary community, "Hey, this is not okay." 593 00:47:03,156 --> 00:47:05,075 WENDY: We talked about a mural. 594 00:47:05,116 --> 00:47:07,285 KELSEY: Oh! It was very simple, 595 00:47:07,327 --> 00:47:08,953 and it was just in black bold font 596 00:47:09,037 --> 00:47:10,955 that said, "Coffee," plus "Books," 597 00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:13,124 plus "Liberation." That was our idea. 598 00:47:13,166 --> 00:47:15,293 And I think that people would want their Instagram photos 599 00:47:15,335 --> 00:47:17,504 next to that. That's what people are coming here for. 600 00:47:18,963 --> 00:47:22,133 We have played a very important role 601 00:47:22,175 --> 00:47:26,304 in seeing that these mothers get justice. 602 00:47:26,346 --> 00:47:29,724 They were sitting at the same table with Renee, 603 00:47:29,808 --> 00:47:31,017 negotiating. 604 00:47:31,101 --> 00:47:33,520 And we are the power behind that negotiation. 605 00:47:34,771 --> 00:47:37,440 Hello. Layla, how are you? 606 00:47:37,482 --> 00:47:41,695 It's our advocacy, it's our fundraising 607 00:47:41,778 --> 00:47:43,154 causing the change. 608 00:47:46,324 --> 00:47:49,703 At the moment we have 783,000 people 609 00:47:49,786 --> 00:47:51,496 following us around the world. 610 00:47:52,872 --> 00:47:54,374 Sometimes, it's scary. 611 00:47:54,457 --> 00:47:57,836 The more you grow, the more famous you become. 612 00:47:57,919 --> 00:48:00,463 And when you become famous, 613 00:48:00,505 --> 00:48:05,301 people tend to forget the real goal of the work. 614 00:48:06,261 --> 00:48:08,304 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 615 00:48:20,233 --> 00:48:22,527 KELSEY: Why do you care so much about money? 616 00:48:27,449 --> 00:48:29,534 KELSEY: No. I don't need this money. 617 00:48:29,617 --> 00:48:32,203 KELSEY: Babe, I don't need this money. I need-- Do you think I... 618 00:48:38,209 --> 00:48:40,128 KELSEY: I know the internet doesn't actually care 619 00:48:40,211 --> 00:48:42,589 about evidence, we care about reactions. 620 00:48:42,672 --> 00:48:45,175 And I was part of it! Do you know what sucks? 621 00:48:45,216 --> 00:48:47,010 It's like The Boy Who Cried Wolf 622 00:48:47,052 --> 00:48:49,971 when, um, people ruin accountability culture 623 00:48:50,055 --> 00:48:51,973 with, uh, something this messy. 624 00:48:52,057 --> 00:48:53,350 Because there's real evil people 625 00:48:53,391 --> 00:48:55,977 that need this type of accountability to happen. 626 00:48:57,562 --> 00:48:58,772 OLIVIA: Hello, everyone. 627 00:48:58,855 --> 00:49:01,024 As of now Kelsey is no longer part 628 00:49:01,066 --> 00:49:04,235 of the No White Savior team as she resigned. 629 00:49:04,277 --> 00:49:07,697 This transition process will see No White Saviors 630 00:49:07,739 --> 00:49:11,701 being fully run by a Black team. 631 00:49:11,785 --> 00:49:14,412 Thank you for being part of history 632 00:49:14,454 --> 00:49:19,751 as we break the chains of Whiteness. 633 00:49:19,793 --> 00:49:21,044 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 634 00:49:21,753 --> 00:49:23,088 (MOUSE CLICKS) 635 00:49:29,386 --> 00:49:32,722 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 636 00:49:38,812 --> 00:49:40,980 ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 637 00:49:41,815 --> 00:49:45,026 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 638 00:49:47,654 --> 00:49:50,281 CONSTANCE ALONYO: 639 00:49:57,706 --> 00:49:59,290 (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 640 00:50:24,983 --> 00:50:27,277 -DOCTOR: -CONSTANCE: Yeah. 641 00:50:40,832 --> 00:50:43,626 (SIGHS) Gone. 642 00:50:51,885 --> 00:50:53,720 RENEE: These are photos 643 00:50:53,803 --> 00:50:58,350 from the Serving His Children center in Masese. 644 00:50:59,768 --> 00:51:02,604 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 645 00:51:02,687 --> 00:51:05,690 RENEE: This is the first time I've seen them in a long time. 646 00:51:10,945 --> 00:51:13,531 It was hard, like, giving up on Serving His Children 647 00:51:13,573 --> 00:51:14,491 and saying, like, 648 00:51:14,532 --> 00:51:16,659 "It wasn't worth fighting for," or something. 649 00:51:23,625 --> 00:51:27,379 Because I do believe that Serving His Children 650 00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:29,631 saved lives for many, many years. 651 00:51:32,217 --> 00:51:33,885 Hundreds and hundreds of them. 652 00:51:38,348 --> 00:51:40,850 And I'm being told that, like, I should be ashamed 653 00:51:40,892 --> 00:51:44,396 of Serving His Children and my life in Uganda. 654 00:51:47,023 --> 00:51:48,817 And, honestly, 655 00:51:50,068 --> 00:51:51,569 you hear these things enough times, 656 00:51:51,653 --> 00:51:53,279 like people saying that you're a murderer 657 00:51:53,363 --> 00:51:55,198 and that you did things to kill kids and, like, 658 00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:56,783 you start to believe them. 659 00:51:56,866 --> 00:51:59,744 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 660 00:51:59,828 --> 00:52:01,746 -Whee! -(RENEE CHUCKLES) 661 00:52:03,289 --> 00:52:06,251 (ZORIAH BACH EXCLAIMING) 662 00:52:06,334 --> 00:52:08,253 -You're a silly girl, Zo. -(ZORIAH SCREAMS) 663 00:52:09,754 --> 00:52:11,297 RENEE: At least when Serving His Children 664 00:52:11,381 --> 00:52:12,716 was still operating, 665 00:52:12,757 --> 00:52:14,259 even on the hardest days 666 00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,095 where you feel like everyone in the world 667 00:52:17,137 --> 00:52:19,556 thinks that you're this terrible person, 668 00:52:19,597 --> 00:52:21,558 like, I was able to look back and be, like, 669 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:23,268 "But you know what? Right now, 670 00:52:23,351 --> 00:52:25,270 there are kids that are getting services 671 00:52:25,311 --> 00:52:27,105 that they wouldn't otherwise have 672 00:52:27,147 --> 00:52:29,024 if it weren't for Serving His Children." 673 00:52:29,107 --> 00:52:30,400 And I can't do that now. 674 00:52:32,068 --> 00:52:34,195 And that's tough because I feel like... 675 00:52:35,405 --> 00:52:37,365 I'm also the reason that those services 676 00:52:37,449 --> 00:52:40,577 aren't being carried out. 677 00:52:41,619 --> 00:52:44,831 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 678 00:52:51,129 --> 00:52:54,007 RENEE: I feel angry, I feel hurt, 679 00:52:54,090 --> 00:52:57,552 I feel betrayed because... 680 00:52:57,635 --> 00:53:00,513 LAURI: This is Renee. Can you wave to Renee? 681 00:53:00,597 --> 00:53:02,098 RENEE: ...I think from childhood, 682 00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:03,683 God gave me the gift 683 00:53:03,767 --> 00:53:06,394 of desiring to serve other people. 684 00:53:07,479 --> 00:53:10,440 But now I'm caused to question, like, 685 00:53:10,482 --> 00:53:13,068 is my desire to help people selfish? 686 00:53:13,151 --> 00:53:15,236 Is it wanting to be a savior? 687 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,573 Or is it genuine and selfless? 688 00:53:18,656 --> 00:53:22,577 And I don't want to believe that these things 689 00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:25,413 are a result of my service to God... 690 00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:30,001 but, like, that's something that I'm still, like, 691 00:53:30,085 --> 00:53:31,711 kind of sorting through. 692 00:53:31,795 --> 00:53:33,296 (THUNDER RUMBLES) 693 00:53:33,338 --> 00:53:35,965 ♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 694 00:53:41,096 --> 00:53:43,807 JACKIE KRAMLICH: This experience at Serving His Children 695 00:53:43,848 --> 00:53:47,936 completely dismantled the way that I kind of believed... 696 00:53:49,437 --> 00:53:51,356 Christianity to function. 697 00:53:52,524 --> 00:53:56,861 And I think... because of that... 698 00:53:56,903 --> 00:53:59,572 there's a really deep grieving process that you have 699 00:53:59,656 --> 00:54:01,825 for kind of your faith and your-- you know, 700 00:54:01,866 --> 00:54:03,201 the way you view God. 701 00:54:03,284 --> 00:54:05,829 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 702 00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:10,542 JACKIE: Because seeing the machine for what it is... 703 00:54:12,877 --> 00:54:14,963 you just really are beside yourself 704 00:54:15,046 --> 00:54:16,464 with how to view the world. 705 00:54:16,548 --> 00:54:19,092 MISSIONARY: I'm gonna pass you a sticker and a card. 706 00:54:19,175 --> 00:54:22,679 JACKIE: I don't like to break this all down to money... 707 00:54:22,721 --> 00:54:26,307 The reason we're there is to spread the gospel. 708 00:54:26,391 --> 00:54:28,935 JACKIE: ...but to achieve spiritual goals, 709 00:54:29,019 --> 00:54:30,353 you need money right? 710 00:54:30,395 --> 00:54:32,272 MISSIONARY: Thank you, guys, thank you! 711 00:54:32,355 --> 00:54:34,566 JACKIE: So, the business of missions 712 00:54:34,649 --> 00:54:36,735 is getting your attention, just like any marketing. 713 00:54:36,776 --> 00:54:38,611 The spiel... 714 00:54:38,695 --> 00:54:41,156 We serve orphans in a very remote part of... 715 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,408 Morocco, Libya, Tunisia... 716 00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:45,243 We will go anywhere that God is sending us, 717 00:54:45,285 --> 00:54:47,328 and we want you to be a part of that. 718 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,790 And exciting stories sell better 719 00:54:50,874 --> 00:54:52,417 than stories that aren't exciting. 720 00:54:55,045 --> 00:54:55,962 (AUDIENCE APPLAUD) 721 00:54:56,046 --> 00:54:59,382 JACKIE: And so I have empathy for Renee... 722 00:55:00,717 --> 00:55:02,969 because she was definitely applauded 723 00:55:03,053 --> 00:55:05,555 for going down that path. 724 00:55:05,597 --> 00:55:10,310 But I will say no matter what the pressures were, 725 00:55:10,393 --> 00:55:13,938 she ultimately continued on with her behavior. 726 00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:16,733 But that's what I think speaks to something so deep, 727 00:55:16,775 --> 00:55:20,445 and is a bit more malicious than I even care 728 00:55:20,487 --> 00:55:23,156 to frequently harp on, is that it would have been 729 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,949 so easy to stop doing this... 730 00:55:26,368 --> 00:55:27,952 and she couldn't do it. 731 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,582 PRODUCER: 732 00:55:32,624 --> 00:55:35,460 (SCOFFS) This is like-- This is a complicated topic because... 733 00:55:36,961 --> 00:55:39,464 you know, kind of aid work and mission work, 734 00:55:39,506 --> 00:55:42,592 and, in fact, every industry 735 00:55:42,634 --> 00:55:46,638 that relies upon the attention of the public 736 00:55:46,721 --> 00:55:48,348 suffers from the same thing. 737 00:55:48,431 --> 00:55:50,183 Media's the same thing, 738 00:55:50,266 --> 00:55:51,643 Missions is the same thing. 739 00:55:52,644 --> 00:55:54,688 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 740 00:55:56,356 --> 00:55:58,942 JACKIE: That there's a line that's crossed 741 00:55:58,983 --> 00:56:01,653 that, yeah, organizations are now profiting 742 00:56:01,736 --> 00:56:03,947 from how upset you can make people feel, 743 00:56:03,988 --> 00:56:06,950 or how guilty you can make people feel. 744 00:56:06,991 --> 00:56:09,285 That's not to negate all the good things 745 00:56:09,327 --> 00:56:11,871 that also those places do. 746 00:56:11,955 --> 00:56:14,833 So, I think it's complicated. It's not all or nothing. 747 00:56:14,874 --> 00:56:18,003 I think that it's just so important for the donors, 748 00:56:18,044 --> 00:56:21,756 like, to just be aware when they pick the organization, 749 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,217 what's their code of conduct? 750 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:26,511 What is their ethics and like guidelines? 751 00:56:26,553 --> 00:56:29,514 -(INDISTINCT SHOUTING) -♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪ 752 00:56:31,558 --> 00:56:32,976 JACKIE: And that's not to strip away 753 00:56:33,018 --> 00:56:36,688 all the amazing things that people do with aid work. 754 00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:41,860 But I don't think that that puts them, 755 00:56:43,069 --> 00:56:44,529 um, above accountability. 756 00:56:47,991 --> 00:56:49,701 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 757 00:56:49,784 --> 00:56:51,619 ♪ (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 758 00:57:51,179 --> 00:57:52,806 ♪ (THEME MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪