1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:01,960 [TV static drones] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:02,001 --> 00:00:05,005 [bright tone] 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:13,596 --> 00:00:14,889 - What's up, guys? 6 00:00:14,973 --> 00:00:17,058 - How you doing? - How are y'all doing? 7 00:00:20,937 --> 00:00:22,397 - Livestreaming? - Yeah. 8 00:00:30,155 --> 00:00:31,239 - All right... 9 00:00:32,656 --> 00:00:34,367 - Yeah. - Cool. 10 00:00:34,451 --> 00:00:36,494 [laughter] 11 00:00:36,578 --> 00:00:38,455 - Ten minutes, we're gonna start forming up, 12 00:00:38,496 --> 00:00:39,789 so get ready with your torches. 13 00:00:39,831 --> 00:00:41,332 Make sure they're ready to go. 14 00:00:41,374 --> 00:00:42,834 - Damn, they keep coming. 15 00:00:42,876 --> 00:00:44,502 - If you do not have a torch, go to-- 16 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:47,422 - I think we're getting near 300, 400. 17 00:00:47,505 --> 00:00:48,840 And this is the fucking bachelor party 18 00:00:48,882 --> 00:00:50,675 before the real thing. 19 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:52,010 - It's happening. 20 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:53,511 - Go ahead and start lighting your torches. 21 00:00:53,595 --> 00:00:55,180 We're gonna start passing around the flame. 22 00:00:55,221 --> 00:00:56,514 Let's go. Light the torches. 23 00:00:56,556 --> 00:00:57,766 - Come on, give me-- give me a light. 24 00:00:57,849 --> 00:00:59,309 Do you have a light? - A light? 25 00:00:59,351 --> 00:01:00,477 Somebody-- - Okay, fine. 26 00:01:00,518 --> 00:01:02,645 - Hail victory. - Hail victory. 27 00:01:02,687 --> 00:01:03,688 - Hail victory, boys. 28 00:01:03,772 --> 00:01:05,147 - Hey, get this going. 29 00:01:05,190 --> 00:01:09,361 [indistinct yelling] 30 00:01:10,779 --> 00:01:13,698 [people cheering] 31 00:01:16,033 --> 00:01:18,661 - Hail motherfucking victory! 32 00:01:20,872 --> 00:01:22,039 - Let's go, baby. 33 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:23,792 - Let's go, boys. 34 00:01:23,875 --> 00:01:26,586 [yelling continues] 35 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:28,170 - Oh, baby. 36 00:01:28,213 --> 00:01:29,673 - Hail victory! 37 00:01:29,714 --> 00:01:31,508 all: Hoo. Hoo. 38 00:01:31,591 --> 00:01:34,594 Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. 39 00:01:34,678 --> 00:01:37,305 Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. 40 00:01:37,389 --> 00:01:39,890 Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. 41 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:41,142 Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. 42 00:01:41,226 --> 00:01:44,187 Hoo. Hoo. Hoo. 43 00:01:44,229 --> 00:01:48,274 [tense music] 44 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:51,860 [people clamoring] 45 00:01:51,902 --> 00:01:55,115 - A horrific scene in Charlottesville, Virginia, 46 00:01:55,198 --> 00:01:58,910 a white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence 47 00:01:58,993 --> 00:02:00,245 and chaos. 48 00:02:00,286 --> 00:02:03,081 crowd: You will not replace us. 49 00:02:03,164 --> 00:02:05,750 Jews will not replace us. 50 00:02:05,834 --> 00:02:11,006 ♪ ♪ 51 00:02:11,089 --> 00:02:13,591 - Nine people who were injured during the violent events 52 00:02:13,675 --> 00:02:16,052 in Charlottesville are now plaintiffs 53 00:02:16,094 --> 00:02:18,013 in a lawsuit that targets leaders 54 00:02:18,096 --> 00:02:20,473 of white supremacist organizations. 55 00:02:21,933 --> 00:02:24,602 - This is the trial that will set the narrative 56 00:02:24,686 --> 00:02:27,105 about what happened in Charlottesville. 57 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:34,320 ♪ ♪ 58 00:02:37,615 --> 00:02:41,327 - The rise of Nazism and white supremacy in our country 59 00:02:41,411 --> 00:02:44,914 is a very real risk. 60 00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:47,000 They need to be fought in court. 61 00:02:47,083 --> 00:02:49,878 [applause] 62 00:02:53,423 --> 00:02:55,091 [indistinct chatter] 63 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:57,469 [bell chiming] 64 00:03:00,555 --> 00:03:02,098 - Do I have to dial a 9 or what? 65 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:03,975 - Yeah, dial 9 and then you're good to go. 66 00:03:04,017 --> 00:03:05,310 [touch tone beeps] 67 00:03:05,352 --> 00:03:07,520 [bell chimes] 68 00:03:07,604 --> 00:03:08,396 - Welcome. 69 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,981 Please announce yourself. 70 00:03:10,065 --> 00:03:11,858 - Charlottesville team. 71 00:03:16,780 --> 00:03:18,615 - Hi, everybody. This is Karen Dunn. 72 00:03:18,656 --> 00:03:20,492 And then Robbie will say who Robbie is, 73 00:03:20,533 --> 00:03:22,577 and you guys can know our voices. 74 00:03:22,660 --> 00:03:25,454 - Yeah, I'm sitting right next to Karen, and this is my voice. 75 00:03:25,497 --> 00:03:28,458 And I speak really quickly, so we'll get you on by 5:00. 76 00:03:28,541 --> 00:03:29,542 [laughter] 77 00:03:29,626 --> 00:03:32,379 - Primarily we're here to answer your questions. 78 00:03:32,462 --> 00:03:34,964 And we really want for you, the press, 79 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:36,675 to be able to guide this discussion. 80 00:03:55,527 --> 00:04:00,031 - It's become clear that there was very overt planning 81 00:04:00,115 --> 00:04:03,535 in these private chat areas. 82 00:04:03,576 --> 00:04:05,578 They were discussing with each other 83 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:09,249 how to prepare for violence and specifically about, 84 00:04:09,332 --> 00:04:12,460 how do we make this appear as if it's self-defense? 85 00:04:20,051 --> 00:04:22,971 - In a lot of ways, it is a very apt comparison. 86 00:04:23,054 --> 00:04:26,266 - Technology can be both a blessing and a curse. 87 00:04:26,349 --> 00:04:27,434 Obviously technology has gotten us 88 00:04:27,517 --> 00:04:28,685 so many things in our country. 89 00:04:28,727 --> 00:04:32,731 On the other hand, it enabled these guys to do a conspiracy 90 00:04:32,814 --> 00:04:35,900 the likes of which this country has never seen. 91 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:38,903 [dramatic music] 92 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:45,909 ♪ ♪ 93 00:05:20,695 --> 00:05:22,989 crowd: Jews will not replace us. 94 00:05:30,288 --> 00:05:32,207 - Whose streets? crowd: Our streets. 95 00:05:32,290 --> 00:05:34,459 - Whose streets? crowd: Our streets. 96 00:05:34,542 --> 00:05:36,294 - Groups from across the country, 97 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,713 including the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis, 98 00:05:38,797 --> 00:05:40,715 came to rally against plans 99 00:05:40,799 --> 00:05:44,010 to remove a Confederate statue from a park. 100 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:49,683 - Right now, we are in a civil rights struggle 101 00:05:49,766 --> 00:05:52,977 to save white people from ethnic cleansing 102 00:05:53,019 --> 00:05:55,855 which is happening across the Western world. 103 00:05:58,608 --> 00:06:00,985 - First a torchlight march and then violence 104 00:06:01,027 --> 00:06:02,278 at the rally the next day. 105 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,280 [indistinct chanting] 106 00:06:04,322 --> 00:06:06,783 [indistinct yelling] 107 00:06:06,825 --> 00:06:10,453 [people clamoring] 108 00:06:15,917 --> 00:06:18,169 - Amid the chaos, police say a car 109 00:06:18,253 --> 00:06:22,465 intentionally slammed into a crowd of counterprotesters. 110 00:06:22,507 --> 00:06:26,011 [people screaming] 111 00:06:26,052 --> 00:06:27,846 - 19 people were injured. 112 00:06:27,887 --> 00:06:30,473 32-year-old Heather Heyer was killed. 113 00:06:30,515 --> 00:06:33,435 [indistinct radio chatter] 114 00:06:33,518 --> 00:06:36,604 [sirens wailing] 115 00:06:53,538 --> 00:06:54,706 - I've been a litigator in New York City 116 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:56,374 for more than two decades, 117 00:06:56,457 --> 00:06:58,501 so I consider myself pretty thick-skinned. 118 00:06:58,543 --> 00:06:59,544 - Morning. - Hey, Phil Morning, everyone. 119 00:06:59,627 --> 00:07:01,254 - How are you doing? - Good. 120 00:07:01,338 --> 00:07:03,965 Charlottesville actually shocked me. 121 00:07:04,049 --> 00:07:06,051 And I'm hard to shock. 122 00:07:06,092 --> 00:07:08,720 - So we're gonna spend today going through discovery. 123 00:07:08,803 --> 00:07:10,722 - Yep. - And our discovery plan. 124 00:07:10,805 --> 00:07:11,973 - So we can go through where we are 125 00:07:12,057 --> 00:07:14,351 right now, I think just everyone's... 126 00:07:14,392 --> 00:07:21,566 ♪ ♪ 127 00:07:24,486 --> 00:07:27,739 - July 1, 2017, I opened my own firm, 128 00:07:27,781 --> 00:07:29,240 which is where we are right now, 129 00:07:29,324 --> 00:07:31,076 called Kaplan Hecker & Fink. 130 00:07:35,663 --> 00:07:37,791 - That is absolutely correct. 131 00:07:38,917 --> 00:07:41,753 We were sitting literally here in these offices 132 00:07:41,795 --> 00:07:43,630 on kind of card tables 'cause we didn't have 133 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:46,424 any furniture, with laptops, 134 00:07:46,508 --> 00:07:48,760 and Charlottesville happened. 135 00:07:48,843 --> 00:07:51,054 As it was happening, we were kind of watching it 136 00:07:51,096 --> 00:07:52,222 here in real time. 137 00:07:52,305 --> 00:07:53,348 We only had about four or five people 138 00:07:53,431 --> 00:07:55,683 working here at that point. 139 00:07:55,767 --> 00:08:01,064 And I think it was the day after the president 140 00:08:01,106 --> 00:08:03,775 gave a press conference. 141 00:08:03,858 --> 00:08:05,694 So I said, hey, let's watch-- 142 00:08:05,777 --> 00:08:07,779 it was kind of stupid of me, in retrospect-- 143 00:08:07,862 --> 00:08:10,490 let's watch the press conference over lunch. 144 00:08:10,573 --> 00:08:12,200 - I will tell you something. 145 00:08:12,283 --> 00:08:14,619 I watched those very closely, much more closely 146 00:08:14,661 --> 00:08:16,287 than you people watched it. 147 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:20,041 And you have--you had a group on one side that was bad, 148 00:08:20,125 --> 00:08:21,751 and you had a group on the other side 149 00:08:21,793 --> 00:08:23,294 that was also very violent. 150 00:08:23,378 --> 00:08:24,504 - They showed up in Charlottesville... 151 00:08:24,587 --> 00:08:25,588 - Excuse me. Excuse me. 152 00:08:25,630 --> 00:08:26,506 - To protest the removal of that statue-- 153 00:08:26,589 --> 00:08:27,507 - They didn't put themselves down as neo-- 154 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:29,634 and you had some very bad people in that group. 155 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:33,304 But you also had people that were 156 00:08:33,346 --> 00:08:35,890 very fine people, on both sides. 157 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:36,975 You had people... 158 00:08:37,058 --> 00:08:38,601 - I remember one or two of the paralegals 159 00:08:38,643 --> 00:08:40,645 got incredibly upset and had to kind of 160 00:08:40,687 --> 00:08:42,105 run out of the room in tears. 161 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:45,859 I really--that's why I say it was a mistake. 162 00:08:45,942 --> 00:08:48,695 And after watching that and kind of the shock 163 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:50,572 that someone who was president of United States 164 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:52,782 could say something like that, 165 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:55,368 I immediately thought that something needed to be done. 166 00:08:55,452 --> 00:08:59,330 The saying that people have about me in this law firm 167 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:00,957 is, "Robbie acts." 168 00:09:00,999 --> 00:09:02,917 And I think it's pretty true. 169 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:05,253 Right, we're, like, between a-- right, we're between a rock 170 00:09:05,337 --> 00:09:06,546 and a hard place. 171 00:09:06,629 --> 00:09:08,006 The attorney general at that time 172 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:09,674 was Jeff Sessions, who doesn't exactly 173 00:09:09,758 --> 00:09:12,010 have a wonderful record on civil rights. 174 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:13,887 So I did not think that he would devote 175 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:16,056 the resources of the Department of Justice 176 00:09:16,139 --> 00:09:18,016 to investigating it. 177 00:09:18,099 --> 00:09:20,060 So I decided to bring a lawsuit. 178 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:23,938 When I wanted a partner to do this with, 179 00:09:24,022 --> 00:09:26,232 I wanted the best possible lawyer, 180 00:09:26,316 --> 00:09:28,234 the toughest possible lawyer. 181 00:09:28,318 --> 00:09:30,570 And that person was obviously Karen Dunn. 182 00:09:30,653 --> 00:09:37,160 ♪ ♪ 183 00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:39,788 - Before this case, I did not know Robbie. 184 00:09:39,871 --> 00:09:43,124 I knew who she was, and she's a very prominent attorney. 185 00:09:43,208 --> 00:09:44,668 And the first introduction I had to her, 186 00:09:44,709 --> 00:09:46,044 she called me out of the blue-- 187 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:48,380 and actually, I neglected to call her back. 188 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:49,673 But this is so classic Robbie. 189 00:09:49,714 --> 00:09:51,257 She called me again. 190 00:09:51,341 --> 00:09:55,970 We talked and she was starting her law firm and said, 191 00:09:56,054 --> 00:09:57,138 do you want to sue the Nazis with me? 192 00:09:57,222 --> 00:10:00,183 And I said, you know, of course, sure. 193 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:02,560 Actually, what I really said was, you know, 194 00:10:02,644 --> 00:10:04,020 the only thing I had to think about 195 00:10:04,062 --> 00:10:06,731 was the security implications for my family. 196 00:10:06,815 --> 00:10:08,650 But I--you know, I talked to my husband 197 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:11,528 and he said to me exactly what I thought, 198 00:10:11,569 --> 00:10:13,238 which is, you know, how can you not? 199 00:10:13,321 --> 00:10:16,783 ♪ ♪ 200 00:10:16,866 --> 00:10:18,118 - They always say about lawyers 201 00:10:18,201 --> 00:10:20,245 that if you can't describe the crux of your case 202 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:23,081 in less than a minute, you're either not a very good lawyer, 203 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:26,251 or you don't have a very good case. 204 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:31,464 Our claim is that a variety of groups and individuals, 205 00:10:31,548 --> 00:10:33,633 namely the defendants in our case, 206 00:10:33,717 --> 00:10:35,927 for weeks, even months, really, 207 00:10:35,969 --> 00:10:39,222 leading up to August 11th and 12th in Charlottesville 208 00:10:39,264 --> 00:10:43,560 conspired together as part of a deliberate plan 209 00:10:43,601 --> 00:10:46,271 to descend upon the town of Charlottesville 210 00:10:46,354 --> 00:10:50,525 and to commit violence against minority groups 211 00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:55,113 and their supporters based on a motive 212 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:58,700 acting out of racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, 213 00:10:58,783 --> 00:11:01,661 anti-immigrant bias, et cetera. 214 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:05,623 And to do that under the law is a crime. 215 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:07,667 It's a crime under a very old law 216 00:11:07,751 --> 00:11:11,046 known as the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871. 217 00:11:11,129 --> 00:11:14,966 And it says that if private actors conspire together 218 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:17,552 to commit racially motivated violence 219 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:20,638 against minorities or their supporters, 220 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,016 that violates the law. 221 00:11:23,099 --> 00:11:24,809 - When the KKK Act was originally passed, 222 00:11:24,851 --> 00:11:25,977 it was a tool for the government 223 00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:27,854 to bring prosecutions. 224 00:11:27,937 --> 00:11:29,773 And then later, it was recognized 225 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:32,901 to grant a private right of action to citizens. 226 00:11:32,984 --> 00:11:36,863 This enables private citizens to bring a civil suit. 227 00:11:38,239 --> 00:11:39,991 - So we used that law, which has 228 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:42,160 not been used all that much. 229 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:46,414 And we used a Virginia state analog to that law 230 00:11:46,498 --> 00:11:49,292 which is basically very similar to the KKK Act 231 00:11:49,334 --> 00:11:52,045 but under state law rather than federal law. 232 00:11:52,128 --> 00:11:54,881 We added the Virginia statute because you always add 233 00:11:54,964 --> 00:11:58,718 any other claim that fits the facts that you can. 234 00:12:01,179 --> 00:12:02,847 One of the cases that we're gonna rely on, 235 00:12:02,931 --> 00:12:06,017 interestingly enough, is a 19-- 236 00:12:08,019 --> 00:12:09,813 It's got to have a date-- 237 00:12:09,854 --> 00:12:15,068 80, so a 1980 case based on a big fight 238 00:12:15,151 --> 00:12:17,862 that that broke out between some folks 239 00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:21,116 who were doing an anti-Klan rally and the Klan. 240 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:23,326 The complaint was clearly written on a typewriter, 241 00:12:23,368 --> 00:12:25,829 so it kind of looks ancient. 242 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:29,290 But shockingly the facts are remarkably similar 243 00:12:29,374 --> 00:12:31,126 to what we allege here. 244 00:12:32,293 --> 00:12:36,047 There are very few of these cases that succeed. 245 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:38,717 The KKK Act hasn't been used very often 246 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,051 because it's a very high standard. 247 00:12:40,135 --> 00:12:42,762 You have to show that a group of people 248 00:12:42,846 --> 00:12:46,182 are conspiring to commit racialized violence. 249 00:12:46,224 --> 00:12:48,435 ♪ ♪ 250 00:12:48,518 --> 00:12:52,022 - In a conspiracy, you have leaders, you have organizers, 251 00:12:52,063 --> 00:12:54,065 and you have foot soldiers. 252 00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:58,028 We ended up filing suit against 24 defendants. 253 00:12:58,069 --> 00:13:00,905 Some of them are groups. Some of them are individuals. 254 00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:03,158 They are the most powerful groups 255 00:13:03,241 --> 00:13:05,910 within the white supremacist movement 256 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:07,996 and individuals who are some of the well-known 257 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:10,457 white supremacists in America. 258 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:13,918 That starts at the top with Richard Spencer. 259 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:19,215 Richard Spencer was the head of the alt-right. 260 00:13:19,257 --> 00:13:21,718 He really coined the term "alt-right," 261 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,889 and he was sort of a political figure within the movement. 262 00:13:25,930 --> 00:13:29,726 - To be white is to be a striver, a crusader, 263 00:13:29,768 --> 00:13:32,604 an explorer, and a conqueror. 264 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:33,730 Hail Trump. 265 00:13:33,772 --> 00:13:34,773 Hail our people. 266 00:13:34,856 --> 00:13:36,566 Hail victory. 267 00:13:36,608 --> 00:13:39,277 [cheers and applause] 268 00:13:39,361 --> 00:13:42,697 - Lead organizers, which include Eli Kline, 269 00:13:42,781 --> 00:13:45,116 who was part of Identity Evropa... 270 00:13:48,036 --> 00:13:49,996 And Jason Kessler, 271 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,040 who was sort of a local alt-right figure 272 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:56,753 who was trying to make it onto the national scene. 273 00:13:56,795 --> 00:13:58,338 - Every day, you guys come up here 274 00:13:58,421 --> 00:14:00,799 and talk about Black people; you talk about gay people. 275 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,593 You don't give a damn about white people. 276 00:14:03,677 --> 00:14:05,595 And white people have a right to organize 277 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,847 and advocate for our rights as well. 278 00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:11,059 - They brought in people like Matthew Heimbach, 279 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:14,187 who was the head of the Traditionalist Worker Party, 280 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:16,815 a group dedicated to the ideals 281 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:19,317 and images of Adolf Hitler. 282 00:14:27,117 --> 00:14:29,786 - And then they brought in other folks who had been known 283 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:33,456 for extremely racist beliefs and violence, 284 00:14:33,498 --> 00:14:38,086 like Chris Cantwell, who has a podcast where he has 285 00:14:38,169 --> 00:14:41,006 tens of thousands of listeners, many of whom 286 00:14:41,089 --> 00:14:43,133 are armed extremists. 287 00:14:43,174 --> 00:14:45,176 - If you were like, oh--you're like, I've been listening 288 00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:47,345 to a radical agenda, and bah, 289 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:49,347 and, you know-- and it got me really mad, 290 00:14:49,431 --> 00:14:50,849 and I think I'm gonna go beat me up 291 00:14:50,932 --> 00:14:52,517 some gay Black folks, 292 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,479 you know, I guess crazier things have happened. 293 00:14:56,521 --> 00:14:59,691 - And then we also wanted to pursue the most violent 294 00:14:59,774 --> 00:15:01,484 foot soldiers in the conspiracy, 295 00:15:01,526 --> 00:15:04,320 like James Alex Fields, who was the person 296 00:15:04,362 --> 00:15:07,449 who drove his Dodge Challenger into a crowd 297 00:15:07,532 --> 00:15:09,451 of peaceful protesters, 298 00:15:09,534 --> 00:15:10,410 killing Heather Heyer 299 00:15:10,493 --> 00:15:13,038 and injuring a number of our plaintiffs. 300 00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:18,335 - So he drove-- 301 00:15:18,376 --> 00:15:21,046 Fields drove across right through here. 302 00:15:21,129 --> 00:15:23,840 There was supposed to be something blocking. 303 00:15:23,882 --> 00:15:25,258 But in the reports that have come out since, 304 00:15:25,342 --> 00:15:27,802 there was only one kind of stanchion right there. 305 00:15:27,886 --> 00:15:30,305 And the protesters were right here. 306 00:15:33,224 --> 00:15:35,310 I should say that various of the defendants 307 00:15:35,393 --> 00:15:38,438 have been criminally prosecuted. 308 00:15:38,521 --> 00:15:41,483 James Fields was tried and convicted 309 00:15:41,566 --> 00:15:44,569 and is serving a lifetime in prison. 310 00:15:44,652 --> 00:15:48,990 He will never see the light of day, given what he did. 311 00:15:50,075 --> 00:15:52,035 I've never been a prosecutor. 312 00:15:52,077 --> 00:15:53,703 It's maybe the only thing I regret in my career, 313 00:15:53,745 --> 00:15:55,163 that I never was a prosecutor. 314 00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:57,123 But at this point, it's not happening for me. 315 00:15:57,207 --> 00:15:59,584 I'm just a civil lawyer. 316 00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:02,587 I can't bring a case that puts anyone in jail. 317 00:16:02,671 --> 00:16:06,132 So what this lawsuit is fundamentally about 318 00:16:06,216 --> 00:16:09,177 is to get justice and compensation 319 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:11,304 for our nine plaintiffs, 320 00:16:11,388 --> 00:16:13,890 all of whom were there that weekend, 321 00:16:13,932 --> 00:16:16,476 all of whom were peacefully protesting, 322 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:20,105 and all of whom were injured, whether psychologically 323 00:16:20,188 --> 00:16:23,316 or physically or both, by what happened to them. 324 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:31,825 - Oh, yeah, I forgot about this. 325 00:16:31,908 --> 00:16:33,702 Oh, my God, look at Mommy. 326 00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:36,204 Oh, and you're in the back too. 327 00:16:36,287 --> 00:16:38,790 Look how young Mommy is. 328 00:16:38,873 --> 00:16:41,835 I really like this picture. 329 00:16:41,918 --> 00:16:43,461 Mommy will have to see this picture. 330 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:45,046 - Oh. - Yeah. 331 00:16:45,130 --> 00:16:46,506 - Look at that. 332 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:48,383 Look at you. 333 00:16:48,466 --> 00:16:49,759 - I know. 334 00:16:49,801 --> 00:16:51,302 I was a little fat baby. 335 00:16:53,638 --> 00:16:55,306 But I was cute, though. 336 00:16:57,142 --> 00:16:58,560 Oh, goodness. 337 00:16:58,643 --> 00:17:01,646 I grew up knowing that my great-grandmother 338 00:17:01,730 --> 00:17:03,940 was the daughter of a slave. 339 00:17:03,982 --> 00:17:06,276 My uncles told me about a time where 340 00:17:06,317 --> 00:17:07,819 they were going to school-- 341 00:17:07,902 --> 00:17:09,445 schools had already integrated-- 342 00:17:09,487 --> 00:17:12,115 and the bus driver would pass over them. 343 00:17:12,156 --> 00:17:13,366 He wouldn't pick them up. 344 00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:16,493 So eventually their mother came out to the bus stop 345 00:17:16,536 --> 00:17:17,912 and stopped it and said, you know, 346 00:17:17,996 --> 00:17:19,039 why aren't you picking my kids up? 347 00:17:19,122 --> 00:17:20,415 My kids need to go to school. 348 00:17:20,498 --> 00:17:22,916 And he said, niggers don't ride my bus. 349 00:17:23,001 --> 00:17:25,002 - Yes. - Mm-hmm. And there you got... 350 00:17:25,045 --> 00:17:27,005 This wasn't so long ago. 351 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:29,382 We're still fighting the same fight, 352 00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:30,675 just at a different level. 353 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:33,345 ♪ ♪ 354 00:17:33,428 --> 00:17:35,013 - Joining me now is one of the plaintiffs 355 00:17:35,096 --> 00:17:36,514 in that lawsuit against the Unite the Right 356 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:38,808 rally organizers, Marissa Blair. 357 00:17:38,850 --> 00:17:40,685 When you guys went to that rally, 358 00:17:40,769 --> 00:17:43,104 what did you think you were going to confront? 359 00:17:43,188 --> 00:17:44,397 - We thought we were gonna confront 360 00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:46,399 Nazis, white supremacists. 361 00:17:46,483 --> 00:17:48,276 We were like, you know what? No, this is our city. 362 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:49,319 We're not--they're not gonna come here 363 00:17:49,361 --> 00:17:50,612 and not meet resistance. 364 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:51,654 We're gonna go. 365 00:17:51,696 --> 00:17:54,199 [indistinct chatter] 366 00:17:54,282 --> 00:17:56,034 - The car drove through the crowd. 367 00:17:56,117 --> 00:17:57,952 And in a split-second decision, 368 00:17:58,036 --> 00:18:00,038 Marcus put his own life in danger 369 00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:01,873 when he pushed his fiancé out of the way 370 00:18:01,915 --> 00:18:04,376 and then was struck by a car. 371 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:06,002 - You hear tires screech, 372 00:18:06,044 --> 00:18:06,878 and then I look up, 373 00:18:06,961 --> 00:18:10,882 and you just see bodies going everywhere. 374 00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:12,133 And then the only thing I could do 375 00:18:12,217 --> 00:18:13,718 was just push her out the way. 376 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,012 - She stood up to white nationalists 377 00:18:16,054 --> 00:18:18,223 and was severely hurt in the process, 378 00:18:18,306 --> 00:18:20,058 but the August attack in Charlottesville 379 00:18:20,141 --> 00:18:22,560 isn't stopping Natalie Romero. 380 00:18:22,644 --> 00:18:28,149 - It was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen. 381 00:18:28,233 --> 00:18:30,527 - I don't think anything can ever really prepare you 382 00:18:30,568 --> 00:18:32,487 to witness something so horrific-- 383 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:34,823 watching your home be overrun by people 384 00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:36,574 who wish to cause as much harm 385 00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:38,743 and wreak as much havoc as possible. 386 00:18:40,161 --> 00:18:43,289 - My role as a pastor, a grassroots organizer, 387 00:18:43,373 --> 00:18:46,751 a father is to call on people 388 00:18:46,835 --> 00:18:48,962 to stand up in the face of evil 389 00:18:49,045 --> 00:18:50,922 and stand up for what is good. 390 00:18:51,006 --> 00:18:53,091 - The part of this case that's actually the most striking 391 00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:55,427 to me is the bravery of the plaintiffs. 392 00:18:56,386 --> 00:18:57,846 You're talking about a group of people 393 00:18:57,929 --> 00:19:02,434 who already could not feel secure in their community. 394 00:19:02,475 --> 00:19:05,770 And then these people decided that they would put themselves 395 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:10,191 out there publicly to fight against this horrible thing 396 00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,235 that had happened. 397 00:19:12,277 --> 00:19:14,279 - If something's not right, then speak up about it. 398 00:19:14,362 --> 00:19:16,281 Don't just hide and say, oh, it's not me. 399 00:19:16,322 --> 00:19:18,033 It doesn't have to do with me. 400 00:19:18,116 --> 00:19:19,534 Heather didn't do that. 401 00:19:19,617 --> 00:19:24,289 Heather spoke up for Blacks, gays, you know, Jews, anyone. 402 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:26,458 I just want people to have uncomfortable conversations 403 00:19:26,541 --> 00:19:28,418 and point out something that's not right 404 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:29,961 instead of sitting there and just saying, 405 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:31,421 it doesn't have to deal with me. 406 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:34,632 [applause] 407 00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:37,802 ♪ ♪ 408 00:19:41,348 --> 00:19:43,391 I saw Heather five days a week, 409 00:19:43,475 --> 00:19:45,352 sometimes on the weekend. 410 00:19:45,435 --> 00:19:47,187 We would always joke and say I'm such an optimist 411 00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:48,938 and Heather was a pessimist, 412 00:19:49,022 --> 00:19:51,983 but we blended so well together. 413 00:19:52,067 --> 00:19:53,777 Good boy. 414 00:19:53,818 --> 00:19:55,487 Want a treat? 415 00:19:56,988 --> 00:19:59,449 Here you go. 416 00:20:03,745 --> 00:20:05,830 It seems natural. 417 00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:08,625 I know a lot of people are saying, oh, you're so brave, 418 00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:10,418 and this is so big. 419 00:20:10,502 --> 00:20:13,588 It seems very natural to me. 420 00:20:13,672 --> 00:20:16,841 I'm not looking for $1 million. 421 00:20:16,883 --> 00:20:18,468 I'm not looking for $100. 422 00:20:18,510 --> 00:20:22,263 What I'm looking for is a precedent that can be set 423 00:20:22,347 --> 00:20:25,266 that will go throughout time. 424 00:20:30,522 --> 00:20:32,524 - Would it make sense, Robbie or Karen, 425 00:20:32,565 --> 00:20:35,860 just to give sort of a quick spiel on where things stand? 426 00:20:35,944 --> 00:20:37,153 - I think it's fine, but I think Michael should do it. 427 00:20:37,195 --> 00:20:38,321 - Great. 428 00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:39,531 - 'Cause he's kind of managing a lot of stuff day-to-day. 429 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,741 - Thanks. Yeah, so we are-- 430 00:20:41,825 --> 00:20:43,576 - Well, before you get there, why don't you introduce, 431 00:20:43,660 --> 00:20:45,537 like, how long you've been here, what you did before, 432 00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:48,498 and why you play such a crucial role? 433 00:20:48,540 --> 00:20:50,375 - Aside from being our honorary woman. 434 00:20:50,417 --> 00:20:52,168 - Right, yeah. [laughter] 435 00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:53,712 That's--so prior to coming to Kaplan Hecker, 436 00:20:53,795 --> 00:20:57,090 I was at Bronx Defenders for seven years. 437 00:20:57,173 --> 00:20:58,591 And I've been here about six weeks. 438 00:21:01,136 --> 00:21:03,638 - I had about-- 439 00:21:03,722 --> 00:21:06,641 about 13 trials, about 12 acquittals. 440 00:21:06,725 --> 00:21:07,600 - For the nonlawyers in the room, 441 00:21:07,684 --> 00:21:09,894 that's an astounding record. 442 00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:13,356 Michael Bloch had been a criminal defense attorney 443 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,234 in the Bronx, representing people who couldn't afford 444 00:21:16,276 --> 00:21:17,736 to represent themselves. 445 00:21:17,819 --> 00:21:21,072 And then because of that trial work, I said to him, look, 446 00:21:21,156 --> 00:21:22,032 it's time to flip sides. 447 00:21:22,073 --> 00:21:23,533 You're going from being a defense attorney 448 00:21:23,575 --> 00:21:25,493 to being a plaintiff's attorney. 449 00:21:25,577 --> 00:21:27,412 And you're going from criminal to civil. 450 00:21:27,454 --> 00:21:29,456 This case is for you. 451 00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:32,834 - So we are getting ready for depositions. 452 00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:36,713 We are somewhat, I think, delayed at this point 453 00:21:36,755 --> 00:21:39,883 by not having access to their documents. 454 00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:42,969 - We still don't have any of the handheld or laptops 455 00:21:43,053 --> 00:21:44,262 from any of the defendants. 456 00:21:44,346 --> 00:21:46,848 - And there's nothing they've already destroyed? 457 00:21:46,931 --> 00:21:48,183 - I would be highly surprised if they-- 458 00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:50,018 weren't things they deleted. 459 00:21:51,853 --> 00:21:55,565 - Discovery generally is gathering evidence. 460 00:21:55,607 --> 00:21:57,275 You can request documents. 461 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,985 You can subpoena evidence. 462 00:21:59,069 --> 00:22:01,905 You can take depositions, which is sworn testimony. 463 00:22:03,615 --> 00:22:06,618 - We are working hard to get evidence from Discord, 464 00:22:06,701 --> 00:22:08,828 which is the third-party platform 465 00:22:08,912 --> 00:22:10,538 where the defendants communicated 466 00:22:10,622 --> 00:22:12,624 in private chat rooms. 467 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:15,627 And, you know, this is a very unusual case and something 468 00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:19,464 that I can't even remember having 469 00:22:19,506 --> 00:22:22,926 in any other case, which is that the Discord chats 470 00:22:22,967 --> 00:22:24,886 were released publicly. 471 00:22:24,969 --> 00:22:30,892 ♪ ♪ 472 00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:32,852 - Someone--to this day, I don't know who it is-- 473 00:22:32,936 --> 00:22:36,815 managed to get into those messages and either hacked 474 00:22:36,898 --> 00:22:40,151 or what they call in computer terminology "scraped" them... 475 00:22:42,737 --> 00:22:45,532 And then published them on a website called Unicorn Riot. 476 00:22:46,491 --> 00:22:48,159 We got a lucky break. 477 00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:54,249 ♪ ♪ 478 00:22:54,332 --> 00:22:55,750 - Did you get the sense from the meeting 479 00:22:55,834 --> 00:22:58,628 that the consensus was, we should depose Tyrone? 480 00:22:58,670 --> 00:23:01,423 - Yes. Unequivocally yes. 481 00:23:01,506 --> 00:23:04,592 - In addition to the Discord servers, 482 00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:07,345 the defendants communicated on cell phones and emails 483 00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:08,555 and verbally. 484 00:23:08,638 --> 00:23:10,974 And a number of their intentions, 485 00:23:11,016 --> 00:23:13,893 which is a lot of what the case can turn on, 486 00:23:13,977 --> 00:23:16,521 you can only get from the defendants themselves. 487 00:23:16,563 --> 00:23:18,857 - I feel like we should just go for it. 488 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:20,275 - Great. 489 00:23:20,316 --> 00:23:21,901 Can't wait. Yeah, I'm gonna send you the-- 490 00:23:21,985 --> 00:23:23,194 - Do you know where he is, though? 491 00:23:23,236 --> 00:23:26,156 - He's in Oklahoma. 492 00:23:26,197 --> 00:23:33,163 ♪ ♪ 493 00:23:43,048 --> 00:23:45,717 My grandfather, he and my grandmother 494 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:47,719 escaped Nazi Germany. 495 00:23:47,802 --> 00:23:52,724 My grandmother arrived the night of Kristallnacht. 496 00:23:52,766 --> 00:23:58,229 And then my grandfather went back to fight in the war. 497 00:23:58,271 --> 00:24:00,523 And I've, long before this case, 498 00:24:00,565 --> 00:24:05,111 thought a lot about how just unbelievably courageous 499 00:24:05,195 --> 00:24:06,654 I think that is. 500 00:24:06,738 --> 00:24:10,742 And I don't mean in any way to equate myself to that, 501 00:24:10,784 --> 00:24:14,371 but I do feel good that this is going on 502 00:24:14,412 --> 00:24:16,581 and I am part of an effort that's 503 00:24:16,623 --> 00:24:18,124 doing something about it. 504 00:24:21,336 --> 00:24:23,254 Should we talk about the new exhibits? 505 00:24:23,296 --> 00:24:24,339 - Yeah, so these are all the new-- 506 00:24:24,422 --> 00:24:28,259 so okay, this is 40 through 143. 507 00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:31,805 - So this is the new 92. 508 00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:35,308 So we're in Tulsa getting ready to depose Tyrone-- 509 00:24:35,392 --> 00:24:38,436 or he goes by Tyrone on Discord, 510 00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:40,730 although his real name is Michael Chesny. 511 00:24:40,772 --> 00:24:44,859 We didn't know his real name when we brought the case. 512 00:24:44,943 --> 00:24:46,611 But by the time we figured out what 513 00:24:46,695 --> 00:24:48,613 his real name was, it was basically 514 00:24:48,697 --> 00:24:50,907 too late to add defendants. 515 00:24:50,949 --> 00:24:52,534 Did you see this? 516 00:24:52,617 --> 00:24:54,327 In a pinch, you hand someone your flag, 517 00:24:54,411 --> 00:24:57,163 and maybe they get blood on it. 518 00:24:57,247 --> 00:24:58,707 - That's-- 519 00:24:58,790 --> 00:25:02,419 - Because he is so explicitly violent 520 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:05,505 and he's so connected to the defendants, 521 00:25:05,588 --> 00:25:10,218 he makes very clear that the intent 522 00:25:10,301 --> 00:25:13,638 was to commit violence at Unite the Right. 523 00:25:13,722 --> 00:25:18,476 The hatred that he spews, 524 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,770 I feel like that is likely to be 525 00:25:20,812 --> 00:25:24,149 the most sort of intense part of this deposition. 526 00:25:26,651 --> 00:25:27,777 - I don't know. 527 00:25:27,819 --> 00:25:29,904 I mean, he will tomorrow. 528 00:25:29,988 --> 00:25:31,197 [laughs] 529 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:36,953 - This is the videotaped deposition 530 00:25:36,995 --> 00:25:38,872 of Michael Joseph Chesny in the matter 531 00:25:38,955 --> 00:25:41,791 of Sines et al. versus Kessler. 532 00:25:41,833 --> 00:25:47,172 - Is this a Discord post by Tyrone on June 9, 2017? 533 00:25:47,213 --> 00:25:50,091 And it's a photograph of a red hat, and on the hat, 534 00:25:50,175 --> 00:25:53,470 it says "Make lynchings great again." 535 00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:54,512 Do you see that? 536 00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:55,597 - I do. 537 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,973 - Did you post that? 538 00:25:57,015 --> 00:26:00,310 - I have no recollection of that at all. 539 00:26:00,352 --> 00:26:02,520 - Do you deny posting that? 540 00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:04,522 - I have no idea. 541 00:26:04,606 --> 00:26:06,524 - This is the videotaped deposition 542 00:26:06,566 --> 00:26:08,234 of Christopher Cantwell. 543 00:26:08,318 --> 00:26:09,778 - Jason Kessler. 544 00:26:09,861 --> 00:26:11,488 - Matthew Heimbach. 545 00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:14,908 - This is Richard Spencer defending myself. 546 00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:16,701 - The biggest challenge in this case 547 00:26:16,785 --> 00:26:19,996 is that we are dealing with people who, 548 00:26:20,038 --> 00:26:21,331 in many circumstances, don't have 549 00:26:21,373 --> 00:26:23,208 a tremendous amount of respect 550 00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:25,960 for the justice system and its requirements. 551 00:26:34,094 --> 00:26:36,763 - [chuckles] I don't remember that, 552 00:26:36,846 --> 00:26:40,850 but I've no reason to disbelieve you. 553 00:26:40,892 --> 00:26:44,938 - Okay, and is that a filing that Mr. Kalanick made 554 00:26:45,021 --> 00:26:46,648 that he was representing you? 555 00:26:46,731 --> 00:26:47,982 - Looks like. 556 00:26:48,066 --> 00:26:49,109 - Well, is it? 557 00:26:49,192 --> 00:26:50,110 - Yes. 558 00:26:50,193 --> 00:26:51,277 - And-- 559 00:26:51,361 --> 00:26:53,279 - Although they misspelled the name of the organization. 560 00:26:53,363 --> 00:26:54,989 Sad. - All right. 561 00:26:55,073 --> 00:26:56,366 Let's focus on my question. 562 00:26:56,408 --> 00:26:58,493 - No, I'm not gonna focus on your dishonest question, 563 00:26:58,576 --> 00:27:00,078 you lying Jew piece of shit. 564 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,372 You're trying to frame something one way, 565 00:27:02,414 --> 00:27:03,540 and I'm telling you what it is. 566 00:27:03,581 --> 00:27:06,084 And now you have it. 567 00:27:06,167 --> 00:27:09,671 ♪ ♪ 568 00:27:09,754 --> 00:27:11,381 - In a criminal case, the government 569 00:27:11,423 --> 00:27:12,882 has the ability to pretty much get 570 00:27:12,924 --> 00:27:14,884 whatever evidence they want, right? 571 00:27:14,926 --> 00:27:17,762 They can go to people's houses, knock on their door, 572 00:27:17,846 --> 00:27:20,473 and seize things with a search warrant. 573 00:27:20,557 --> 00:27:23,268 In a civil case, it's not the same. 574 00:27:23,351 --> 00:27:25,979 The only way that I can get information for a civil case 575 00:27:26,062 --> 00:27:28,690 is to ask the other side. 576 00:27:28,773 --> 00:27:32,235 And in any civil case, it's cumbersome. 577 00:27:32,277 --> 00:27:35,530 But in this case, it was, 578 00:27:35,613 --> 00:27:38,116 I think it's fair to say, insane. 579 00:27:38,158 --> 00:27:41,870 - There are at least six phones that are 580 00:27:41,953 --> 00:27:45,957 gone or fell in the toilet or are destroyed. 581 00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:47,876 But the explanations for where the phones have gone 582 00:27:47,959 --> 00:27:50,962 are colorful and will play well with the jury. 583 00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:52,547 - It was kind of like litigating 584 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:57,385 against teenage violent truants. 585 00:27:57,469 --> 00:28:01,097 [laughs] They just didn't care. 586 00:28:07,604 --> 00:28:09,022 - They almost treat it like a game. 587 00:28:09,105 --> 00:28:12,442 You know, this person who said, I have three phones, 588 00:28:12,484 --> 00:28:16,112 now says, if I did say that, either I was lying then, 589 00:28:16,154 --> 00:28:17,238 or I was joking. 590 00:28:17,322 --> 00:28:18,490 - Yep. 591 00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:19,908 I agree. 592 00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:24,829 - The stuff in the Discord, all of that that I saw, 593 00:28:24,913 --> 00:28:28,541 I regarded as not threats, either jokes 594 00:28:28,625 --> 00:28:32,712 or just BS locker room talk 595 00:28:32,796 --> 00:28:35,340 protected by Brandenburg v. Ohio. 596 00:28:37,676 --> 00:28:39,844 - They believe in plausible deniability. 597 00:28:39,886 --> 00:28:46,226 They will create rhetoric saying it was just a joke. 598 00:28:46,309 --> 00:28:47,811 - To be honest, I-- 599 00:28:47,852 --> 00:28:50,897 I'm not sure I ever have engaged in a Nazi salute 600 00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:53,483 that wasn't in jest in some way. 601 00:28:53,525 --> 00:28:56,194 - It's a joke, but they really mean it at the same time. 602 00:28:56,277 --> 00:28:59,781 And it's a joke that they're saying it's a joke. 603 00:28:59,864 --> 00:29:02,575 They pretty much had the same defenses. 604 00:29:02,659 --> 00:29:07,038 One, this wasn't really a conspiracy. 605 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,581 - How many times did you communicate 606 00:29:08,665 --> 00:29:09,874 with Jason Kessler over the phone? 607 00:29:09,916 --> 00:29:11,376 - I haven't the vaguest idea. 608 00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:13,461 - These are all a bunch of guys who just happened 609 00:29:13,545 --> 00:29:15,380 to show up in Charlottesville. 610 00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:18,133 Some of them know a guy who knows a guy. 611 00:29:18,216 --> 00:29:22,887 - In terms of the, you know, on-the-ground planning, 612 00:29:22,929 --> 00:29:25,890 I had little connection. 613 00:29:25,974 --> 00:29:30,520 - The second defense that they used 614 00:29:30,562 --> 00:29:34,566 is that everything we did that day was in self-defense. 615 00:29:34,649 --> 00:29:37,902 - Do you agree with me that you committed violence that night? 616 00:29:37,986 --> 00:29:42,282 - I defended myself against a violent criminal. 617 00:29:42,365 --> 00:29:47,245 - Defense number three is that it was just about free speech. 618 00:29:47,328 --> 00:29:50,123 - 'Cause the police allowed us to be attacked by mobs 619 00:29:50,206 --> 00:29:53,460 of anti-fascists, stood down, through either incompetence 620 00:29:53,543 --> 00:29:55,670 or corruption, and violated our 621 00:29:55,754 --> 00:29:57,213 First Amendment rights to assemble. 622 00:29:57,255 --> 00:29:59,007 - The problem with that argument 623 00:29:59,090 --> 00:30:00,342 is that while the First Amendment 624 00:30:00,425 --> 00:30:02,218 gives you the right to have certain beliefs 625 00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:03,970 and to talk about certain beliefs, 626 00:30:04,054 --> 00:30:05,680 even if those beliefs are hateful 627 00:30:05,764 --> 00:30:07,932 and racist ideologies, 628 00:30:08,016 --> 00:30:09,476 what you're not entitled to do 629 00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:13,355 is acting based on them or motivated by them, 630 00:30:13,438 --> 00:30:15,023 commit acts of violence. 631 00:30:29,621 --> 00:30:30,872 - I mean that I would love to talk 632 00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:33,124 about this fucking pig every day on my show 633 00:30:33,208 --> 00:30:35,460 because she's a barrel of laughs. 634 00:30:35,502 --> 00:30:37,545 But since I'm involved in litigation with her, 635 00:30:37,629 --> 00:30:41,132 that's unwise, and so I should probably keep my mouth shut 636 00:30:41,174 --> 00:30:43,510 until after the fucking thing is over. 637 00:30:52,727 --> 00:30:55,647 [indistinct chatter] 638 00:30:57,899 --> 00:31:01,361 [dishes clattering] 639 00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:04,906 - It's funny 'cause it's like an ice cream scoop, 640 00:31:04,989 --> 00:31:06,533 and there's nothing less like a scoop of ice cream 641 00:31:06,616 --> 00:31:09,035 than matzo ball dough. 642 00:31:12,497 --> 00:31:15,750 I'm not completely insane, at least I hope not. 643 00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:18,378 So I'm aware of the risk. 644 00:31:18,461 --> 00:31:19,879 And one of the reasons our office 645 00:31:19,963 --> 00:31:21,089 is in the Empire State Building 646 00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:22,340 is that the Empire State Building 647 00:31:22,424 --> 00:31:26,344 has some of the best security of any building in New York. 648 00:31:26,386 --> 00:31:28,513 I joked the other day to some of my colleagues. 649 00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:29,639 We were coming back from court, 650 00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:30,974 and I joked that if I get killed, 651 00:31:31,016 --> 00:31:33,309 it's definitely not gonna be at work. 652 00:31:33,351 --> 00:31:34,894 'Cause it'd be very, very hard to kill me 653 00:31:34,978 --> 00:31:37,188 at the Empire State Building. 654 00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:39,190 This weighs very heavy on Karen. 655 00:31:39,232 --> 00:31:41,526 Karen has three kids. I have one son. 656 00:31:42,861 --> 00:31:46,031 Of course it impacts me. I'm not gonna say it doesn't. 657 00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:48,074 But my job is to get up every day 658 00:31:48,158 --> 00:31:50,869 and put on my symbolic armor and to try 659 00:31:50,952 --> 00:31:53,496 to put all that other stuff as much kind of 660 00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:55,915 deep down as I possibly can. 661 00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:57,417 It's tasty. 662 00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:59,127 It's a little soft. 663 00:31:59,210 --> 00:32:01,338 My wife says I'm very good at repression. 664 00:32:01,379 --> 00:32:03,631 So you can talk to her about that. 665 00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,345 Put your finger a little bit closer to the edge. 666 00:32:09,763 --> 00:32:11,222 There. 667 00:32:13,725 --> 00:32:16,603 [all singing in Hebrew] 668 00:32:34,746 --> 00:32:40,126 ♪ ♪ 669 00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:41,753 - Wow, that is really quite a statistic. 670 00:32:41,795 --> 00:32:42,837 Isn't that crazy? 671 00:32:42,921 --> 00:32:44,589 - Anti-Semitic incidents surged 57% 672 00:32:44,673 --> 00:32:48,635 from 2016 to 2017, the highest one-year jump since the 1970s. 673 00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:55,642 ♪ ♪ 674 00:33:10,532 --> 00:33:12,492 [indistinct chatter] 675 00:33:12,575 --> 00:33:13,702 - Right. - Hi. 676 00:33:13,785 --> 00:33:14,953 - Larissa. - Erin. 677 00:33:14,994 --> 00:33:16,454 Nice to meet you. - Hi. 678 00:33:16,496 --> 00:33:18,039 Yeah, of course. - Oh, great to meet you. 679 00:33:18,123 --> 00:33:19,624 - Great to meet you. - Thanks. 680 00:33:19,666 --> 00:33:22,419 [indistinct chatter] 681 00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:25,255 - Thank you, everyone, for coming out tonight. 682 00:33:25,296 --> 00:33:27,966 Unite the Right was a flash point, 683 00:33:28,008 --> 00:33:31,052 but it was by no means an isolated incident. 684 00:33:31,136 --> 00:33:33,471 We only need to look to Pittsburgh 685 00:33:33,555 --> 00:33:35,765 or to the supermarket shootings in Kentucky 686 00:33:35,807 --> 00:33:39,185 to see the extent of the crisis we're now facing. 687 00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:42,480 I do think that, particularly in the year 688 00:33:42,522 --> 00:33:45,108 or so since I accepted this job, 689 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:46,818 the public consciousness on this issue 690 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:50,030 has changed by nature of what has happened in the world. 691 00:33:50,113 --> 00:33:52,824 ♪ ♪ 692 00:33:52,866 --> 00:33:54,617 Pittsburgh happened. 693 00:33:54,659 --> 00:33:56,077 Poway happened. 694 00:33:56,161 --> 00:33:58,204 El Paso happened. 695 00:33:58,288 --> 00:33:59,873 So much of that can be traced back 696 00:33:59,956 --> 00:34:03,710 to Charlottesville and to the defendants in our suit. 697 00:34:04,502 --> 00:34:06,504 - During the course of his deadly assault on the people 698 00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:09,090 in the synagogue, the gunman made statements 699 00:34:09,174 --> 00:34:10,717 regarding genocide and his goal 700 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,344 of killing Jewish people. 701 00:34:13,428 --> 00:34:15,638 - The Pittsburgh shooter was in communication 702 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,183 with our defendants in Charlottesville. 703 00:34:18,266 --> 00:34:21,853 The guy in New Zealand used a hashtag-- 704 00:34:21,936 --> 00:34:23,521 it's called Fashtag-- 705 00:34:23,563 --> 00:34:25,690 that was created by Matthew Heimbach. 706 00:34:40,914 --> 00:34:41,873 - Right. 707 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,797 - These aren't just isolated people. 708 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,422 It is part of a movement. 709 00:34:50,507 --> 00:34:52,384 - On social media, the apparent shooter 710 00:34:52,425 --> 00:34:55,261 posted a 74-page manifesto, 711 00:34:55,344 --> 00:34:57,389 calling himself an avowed racist. 712 00:34:57,472 --> 00:34:59,516 He also mentioned President Donald Trump 713 00:34:59,557 --> 00:35:01,643 by name. 714 00:35:01,726 --> 00:35:05,355 - The idea that Jews are going to replace the white race 715 00:35:05,397 --> 00:35:08,149 either directly or through their support for refugees 716 00:35:08,191 --> 00:35:12,904 and immigrants, that's central to a lot of the ideology 717 00:35:12,946 --> 00:35:16,533 held by our defendants and many of their followers. 718 00:35:16,574 --> 00:35:20,912 Racism is intertwined with anti-Semitism. 719 00:35:20,995 --> 00:35:22,580 - The shooter told a SWAT officer 720 00:35:22,622 --> 00:35:24,749 he had wanted to kill Jews because Jews 721 00:35:24,833 --> 00:35:27,335 were trying to commit a genocide on his people. 722 00:35:27,419 --> 00:35:30,171 - He describes himself as a white nationalist. 723 00:35:30,255 --> 00:35:32,257 In short, he believes white people 724 00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:34,342 are being systematically replaced 725 00:35:34,426 --> 00:35:37,679 by immigrants in this country. 726 00:35:37,762 --> 00:35:42,392 - In the chant, "You will not replace us"... 727 00:35:42,434 --> 00:35:43,268 - Mm-hmm. 728 00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:45,103 - Who is the "us"? 729 00:35:45,145 --> 00:35:46,604 - White people. 730 00:35:48,606 --> 00:35:50,608 ♪ ♪ 731 00:35:50,692 --> 00:35:52,777 [indistinct chatter] 732 00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:54,237 - This is about justice for Charlottesville. 733 00:35:54,279 --> 00:35:55,864 It's about our plaintiffs. 734 00:35:55,947 --> 00:35:59,284 But it's also about putting this extremism on trial. 735 00:35:59,367 --> 00:36:00,910 - So I'm gonna have you kind of leaning 736 00:36:00,952 --> 00:36:02,037 a little bit just to... 737 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,080 - We seek significant judgments, 738 00:36:04,164 --> 00:36:05,915 which means that it really has the potential 739 00:36:05,957 --> 00:36:07,625 to bankrupt and dismantle 740 00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:10,003 the groups and the leaders that are at the center 741 00:36:10,086 --> 00:36:12,297 of this movement. 742 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:15,008 - It's very hard for me to think about this case 743 00:36:15,091 --> 00:36:17,344 without thinking about my grandmother, 744 00:36:17,427 --> 00:36:21,139 who left Poland before the war. 745 00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:22,974 She got out with her parents and her sister, 746 00:36:23,016 --> 00:36:27,645 but a lot of her friends and other family did not make it. 747 00:36:29,147 --> 00:36:31,441 I just remember how my grandmother 748 00:36:31,483 --> 00:36:35,028 taught me the importance of the words "never again." 749 00:36:35,111 --> 00:36:39,115 [indistinct chatter] 750 00:36:39,157 --> 00:36:40,617 - Thank you for coming. - Jeff Hirschberg. 751 00:36:40,658 --> 00:36:43,453 Thank you. - Thank you so much. 752 00:36:43,495 --> 00:36:45,830 Every few years in this country, 753 00:36:45,872 --> 00:36:50,543 we have a trial that is much more than just the trial. 754 00:36:50,627 --> 00:36:54,464 We are not appreciating the threat that this poses 755 00:36:54,506 --> 00:36:56,925 in this country today. 756 00:36:57,008 --> 00:37:00,595 We cannot not fight back. 757 00:37:03,098 --> 00:37:04,349 - No. - No. 758 00:37:11,356 --> 00:37:14,526 [siren wailing] 759 00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:28,748 [seagulls cawing] 760 00:37:33,294 --> 00:37:34,504 - Hey, Jess. 761 00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:36,506 - I'm good. 762 00:37:36,548 --> 00:37:38,550 Robbie has a call with a judge and can't make it. 763 00:37:46,057 --> 00:37:49,185 - I would just point out that that was going to be 764 00:37:49,227 --> 00:37:51,896 the start of our trial in Charlottesville. 765 00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:53,523 - Yeah, it was. 766 00:37:55,066 --> 00:37:57,360 Because Mike and I were talking about this... 767 00:37:57,402 --> 00:38:00,822 - I went from literally working around the clock 768 00:38:00,905 --> 00:38:04,242 to prep for these depositions to-- 769 00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:06,369 I think we're six months in-- 770 00:38:06,411 --> 00:38:09,414 April, May, June, July, August, September-- 771 00:38:09,497 --> 00:38:12,417 eight months into lockdown. 772 00:38:17,714 --> 00:38:20,842 I have a new baby, which is very exciting. 773 00:38:20,925 --> 00:38:22,677 - Hi, bug. 774 00:38:22,761 --> 00:38:24,095 - Hi. 775 00:38:24,137 --> 00:38:25,889 Did you have a good nap? 776 00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:27,349 Yeah? No. 777 00:38:27,432 --> 00:38:28,433 - He's like-- 778 00:38:28,475 --> 00:38:31,186 - I did till you woke me up. 779 00:38:31,269 --> 00:38:36,274 The world has changed six times since this case started, 780 00:38:36,316 --> 00:38:39,319 and it's unbelievable. 781 00:38:40,612 --> 00:38:43,281 - I made the decision to run for president 782 00:38:43,323 --> 00:38:45,075 after Charlottesville. 783 00:38:45,116 --> 00:38:48,453 If you say we have no need to face racial injustice 784 00:38:48,495 --> 00:38:51,581 in the country, you haven't opened your eyes 785 00:38:51,623 --> 00:38:53,708 to the truth in America. 786 00:38:53,792 --> 00:38:58,296 George Floyd's six-year-old daughter, who I met with... 787 00:38:58,338 --> 00:39:05,512 ♪ ♪ 788 00:39:22,028 --> 00:39:24,656 - I always say that I had the most incredible experience 789 00:39:24,739 --> 00:39:27,367 growing up here in Appalachia. 790 00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:29,869 Like, we are about as-- 791 00:39:29,953 --> 00:39:32,997 I would say I'm about as Garrett County as it gets. 792 00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,667 Growing up here made me want to go out 793 00:39:35,709 --> 00:39:38,586 and protest in Charlottesville those two days. 794 00:39:38,670 --> 00:39:40,672 [cheers and applause] 795 00:39:40,755 --> 00:39:42,716 You know, I shared the videos that I was taking 796 00:39:42,799 --> 00:39:45,218 on social media, and that got a lot 797 00:39:45,301 --> 00:39:47,095 of attention nationally. 798 00:39:47,178 --> 00:39:49,180 It went viral on Facebook. 799 00:39:49,222 --> 00:39:52,559 That was, like, the first time where I felt, like, a backlash. 800 00:39:52,642 --> 00:39:54,853 People would say I was a liar. 801 00:39:54,894 --> 00:39:57,105 And then people would share the video and, like, 802 00:39:57,188 --> 00:39:58,940 they'd say it was doctored. 803 00:39:59,024 --> 00:40:00,233 [bell rings] 804 00:40:00,316 --> 00:40:01,568 - Door three. 805 00:40:01,651 --> 00:40:03,486 - I have felt afraid a lot. 806 00:40:03,528 --> 00:40:05,530 You know, I have a very intense 807 00:40:05,613 --> 00:40:07,782 security system in my house now. 808 00:40:07,866 --> 00:40:09,242 We got dogs. 809 00:40:09,325 --> 00:40:10,368 - What you doing, big guy? 810 00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:11,703 [dog barks] 811 00:40:11,745 --> 00:40:14,873 - I've just been paranoid. 812 00:40:14,914 --> 00:40:15,957 I do feel ready. 813 00:40:16,041 --> 00:40:18,710 I think, for a really long time, I, like, 814 00:40:18,793 --> 00:40:21,713 needed more time just to kind of, like, 815 00:40:21,755 --> 00:40:23,548 mentally prepare myself. 816 00:40:23,631 --> 00:40:24,632 All right. I'll see you. 817 00:40:24,716 --> 00:40:26,051 - All right. - Bye, Jack. 818 00:40:26,092 --> 00:40:28,803 But now I'm ready for this chapter to close. 819 00:40:28,887 --> 00:40:30,805 I really am. 820 00:40:30,889 --> 00:40:37,812 ♪ ♪ 821 00:40:41,232 --> 00:40:45,487 - It's nice to be able to drive by here without, you know, 822 00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:48,239 impulsively raising a middle finger to the statue 823 00:40:48,323 --> 00:40:50,075 that isn't there anymore. 824 00:40:50,116 --> 00:40:54,913 ♪ ♪ 825 00:40:54,996 --> 00:40:57,374 - Hello. 826 00:40:57,415 --> 00:40:59,751 Hello. - Hello. 827 00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:06,758 ♪ ♪ 828 00:41:16,101 --> 00:41:18,353 - Will you send that to me? - Yeah. 829 00:41:18,436 --> 00:41:20,563 - Yes, absolutely this one too. - Yeah. 830 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,276 - Welcome to Charlottesville. 831 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:32,534 ♪ ♪ 832 00:41:41,584 --> 00:41:44,004 This is basically my trial diet, 833 00:41:44,087 --> 00:41:47,132 which is oatmeal in the morning, plain; 834 00:41:47,173 --> 00:41:50,093 whole wheat bread, a little bit of peanut butter; 835 00:41:50,135 --> 00:41:52,303 and then I just crush these at night. 836 00:41:52,345 --> 00:41:54,264 [laughs] 837 00:41:58,101 --> 00:42:03,398 Outlines, crosses, opening, and witness prep all week. 838 00:42:03,481 --> 00:42:05,817 What I'm trying to do with the opening is introduce 839 00:42:05,859 --> 00:42:09,404 each plaintiff and tell the story 840 00:42:09,487 --> 00:42:12,032 in the way they experienced it. 841 00:42:12,115 --> 00:42:14,409 That's Devin. 842 00:42:14,492 --> 00:42:17,537 This is him in the morning of August 12th at McGuffey Park-- 843 00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:21,833 you know, very peaceful, happy counterprotest. 844 00:42:24,336 --> 00:42:25,337 [dog barks] 845 00:42:25,378 --> 00:42:28,298 - [speaking Spanish] 846 00:42:30,091 --> 00:42:31,343 [dog whines] 847 00:42:31,426 --> 00:42:33,011 - Right. Follow. 848 00:42:33,094 --> 00:42:34,554 Good girl. 849 00:42:34,637 --> 00:42:35,847 I spend a lot of time alone, 850 00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:38,933 and so Luna, we'd be in the kitchen 851 00:42:39,017 --> 00:42:40,518 and I have no one else to talk to, 852 00:42:40,602 --> 00:42:42,395 so I'd be like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, 853 00:42:42,479 --> 00:42:43,855 oh, my God, I just made a funny joke. 854 00:42:43,938 --> 00:42:45,690 I'm so funny. - And you're looking at her. 855 00:42:45,732 --> 00:42:47,734 - And, like, Luna, and I'd be like, high five? 856 00:42:47,817 --> 00:42:49,778 And that's where we started the high five. 857 00:42:49,861 --> 00:42:52,989 I can't be high-fiving myself. 858 00:42:55,367 --> 00:42:59,245 - We've waited four years for our stories or justice 859 00:42:59,329 --> 00:43:01,164 or something, right? 860 00:43:01,206 --> 00:43:03,041 I've got four weeks left of something that I've spent 861 00:43:03,124 --> 00:43:06,211 the last four years sitting with and having 862 00:43:06,294 --> 00:43:10,215 to deal with every single day. 863 00:43:10,256 --> 00:43:13,885 I'm afraid to see them and their faces. 864 00:43:13,968 --> 00:43:18,598 I can't imagine what they're gonna sound like and say. 865 00:43:18,682 --> 00:43:21,351 And I'm afraid of that, 866 00:43:21,393 --> 00:43:22,686 especially this last couple days 867 00:43:22,727 --> 00:43:24,020 where I'm sitting with this with my mom 868 00:43:24,062 --> 00:43:27,565 and we're really having to face it. 869 00:43:27,649 --> 00:43:30,276 - Don't be scared. 870 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,236 - I'm trying not to be. 871 00:43:31,277 --> 00:43:35,115 - You got a lot of people that is with you. 872 00:43:35,198 --> 00:43:36,324 Okay? 873 00:43:36,408 --> 00:43:38,743 Even your family from Colombia. 874 00:43:38,785 --> 00:43:40,578 [speaking Spanish] 875 00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:41,579 - [laughs] 876 00:43:41,663 --> 00:43:43,039 - They're with you. 877 00:43:45,709 --> 00:43:47,752 - Hello. How are you? - Good. How are you doing? 878 00:43:47,794 --> 00:43:49,170 - Good. - I'm gonna sit down. 879 00:43:49,254 --> 00:43:52,716 ♪ ♪ 880 00:43:52,757 --> 00:43:54,926 So our plan for today will be to talk about 881 00:43:54,968 --> 00:43:56,928 what it's gonna be like in the courtroom. 882 00:43:57,012 --> 00:43:58,763 And it is gonna be a little different 883 00:43:58,805 --> 00:44:00,765 because of all the COVID restrictions. 884 00:44:00,807 --> 00:44:02,058 - So you walk in. 885 00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,060 The judge will be up top, right? 886 00:44:04,102 --> 00:44:06,229 And so there will be a big table. 887 00:44:06,271 --> 00:44:07,939 It's called counsel table. 888 00:44:08,023 --> 00:44:09,816 And you're drawing it exactly right. 889 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,738 And then we'll take a short break, and then we'll-- 890 00:44:14,821 --> 00:44:17,449 Alex Conlon is gonna pretend she's one of the defendants 891 00:44:17,532 --> 00:44:18,783 across from you, okay? 892 00:44:20,785 --> 00:44:22,787 - I think she's gonna be a combination. 893 00:44:22,829 --> 00:44:24,581 - Unlike the deposition, 894 00:44:24,622 --> 00:44:26,082 this is the time to tell your story. 895 00:44:26,124 --> 00:44:29,961 So don't go on for too long, but feel free to, you know, 896 00:44:30,003 --> 00:44:31,671 give as much detail as you want. 897 00:44:31,755 --> 00:44:33,506 Totally normal if you're feeling 898 00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:34,799 nervous at the beginning. 899 00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:36,634 But be yourself. 900 00:44:36,676 --> 00:44:39,220 Ready? - Yes. 901 00:44:39,262 --> 00:44:40,263 - Good morning, Ms. Sines. 902 00:44:40,305 --> 00:44:41,306 - Good morning. 903 00:44:41,389 --> 00:44:43,350 - Could you please introduce yourself to the jury? 904 00:44:43,433 --> 00:44:45,226 - My name is Elizabeth Sines. 905 00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:46,770 - My name is April Muñiz. 906 00:44:46,811 --> 00:44:49,397 You're the jury for me. - There you go. Perfect. 907 00:44:49,481 --> 00:44:53,276 - I am 53 years old. 908 00:44:53,318 --> 00:44:55,820 - I am a student. 909 00:44:55,862 --> 00:44:57,739 - I'm a pastor. 910 00:44:57,822 --> 00:45:01,785 - We are working with people who are 911 00:45:01,826 --> 00:45:04,162 victims of real trauma. 912 00:45:04,204 --> 00:45:05,955 - So when we show you this photo, 913 00:45:05,997 --> 00:45:07,832 I will ask you to identify yourself. 914 00:45:07,874 --> 00:45:11,628 - Some physical, all emotional. 915 00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:15,632 - I am this person with my hands, like, up... 916 00:45:15,674 --> 00:45:17,842 - And it's really important for the case 917 00:45:17,926 --> 00:45:21,513 that they be prepared for what's coming. 918 00:45:21,554 --> 00:45:23,848 And to try to do that in a way that prepares them 919 00:45:23,932 --> 00:45:25,934 but doesn't retraumatize them 920 00:45:26,017 --> 00:45:29,604 is, I think, a difficult balance. 921 00:45:29,688 --> 00:45:30,689 - You okay? 922 00:45:30,772 --> 00:45:33,024 All right. 923 00:45:33,066 --> 00:45:36,111 - I'm going to ask Mr. Spalding to put up 924 00:45:36,194 --> 00:45:39,781 plaintiff's exhibit 3271 and ask if you 925 00:45:39,864 --> 00:45:41,783 can identify that photo. 926 00:45:41,866 --> 00:45:43,535 - I'd like to put up on the screen 927 00:45:43,618 --> 00:45:46,287 plaintiff's exhibit 3204. 928 00:45:46,371 --> 00:45:47,747 - 1692. 929 00:45:47,831 --> 00:45:49,290 - 1908. 930 00:45:49,374 --> 00:45:51,084 - Ms. Sines, do you recognize this photo? 931 00:45:51,167 --> 00:45:52,961 - Yes, I do. 932 00:45:55,588 --> 00:45:57,757 - Okay, let's stop it there. Stop. 933 00:45:57,841 --> 00:46:00,051 What's that, 6:59? - Yes. 934 00:46:00,135 --> 00:46:02,512 - Can you please describe what's going on in that video? 935 00:46:02,595 --> 00:46:05,015 - What happened there is, a group of-- 936 00:46:05,056 --> 00:46:06,683 well, I mean, should I say "white supremacists"? 937 00:46:06,725 --> 00:46:08,059 I'm sorry. White supremacists-- 938 00:46:08,101 --> 00:46:09,144 - You can say "white supremacists." 939 00:46:09,227 --> 00:46:11,980 - Bashed right through our group with their shields. 940 00:46:12,063 --> 00:46:16,693 - And how did you feel as you watched the car backing up? 941 00:46:16,735 --> 00:46:21,406 - I was certain he was backing up 942 00:46:21,489 --> 00:46:24,576 so that he could 943 00:46:24,659 --> 00:46:27,495 accelerate into us again. 944 00:46:27,579 --> 00:46:30,832 - The plaintiffs obviously have been to hell and back. 945 00:46:30,874 --> 00:46:36,338 But reopening yourself up again after such a trauma 946 00:46:36,421 --> 00:46:37,964 is such a hard thing. 947 00:46:38,048 --> 00:46:42,761 - I should tell you there are several different defendants 948 00:46:42,802 --> 00:46:44,095 who are pro se: 949 00:46:44,179 --> 00:46:48,099 Christopher Cantwell and Richard Spencer. 950 00:46:48,183 --> 00:46:50,101 - There are a lot of defendants in this case. 951 00:46:50,185 --> 00:46:52,270 They don't all have the same lawyer. 952 00:46:52,312 --> 00:46:54,189 And then there are a couple defendants, 953 00:46:54,272 --> 00:46:56,107 very high-profile defendants, 954 00:46:56,191 --> 00:46:58,568 proceeding what's called pro se. 955 00:46:58,651 --> 00:46:59,944 So they're representing themselves. 956 00:46:59,986 --> 00:47:01,654 - So here's the other side. 957 00:47:01,738 --> 00:47:03,198 So you can see that... 958 00:47:03,281 --> 00:47:05,450 - Our clients need to be prepared to be cross-examined 959 00:47:05,492 --> 00:47:08,953 by the actual defendants that committed the hateful, 960 00:47:08,995 --> 00:47:10,538 violent acts against them. 961 00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:14,501 - Are you feeling nervous about it? 962 00:47:14,584 --> 00:47:17,170 - I'm more nervous in the context of the long term. 963 00:47:17,253 --> 00:47:21,925 Like, it's not unrealistic that somebody would retaliate. 964 00:47:28,932 --> 00:47:30,600 - [exhales heavily] 965 00:47:32,477 --> 00:47:34,729 The bottom of my feet are sweating. 966 00:47:34,771 --> 00:47:36,731 I don't think that's ever happened before. 967 00:47:36,815 --> 00:47:39,317 I was, like, super calm all day. 968 00:47:39,401 --> 00:47:41,986 And then on the drive over here, I had to, like, 969 00:47:42,070 --> 00:47:45,907 turn the music off, and I can feel my-- 970 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:47,992 it's not that I'm nervous to be here. 971 00:47:48,034 --> 00:47:49,411 I've met most of the staff before. 972 00:47:49,494 --> 00:47:50,829 But it's just, I know I'm gonna have 973 00:47:50,912 --> 00:47:53,081 to hash out what happened. 974 00:47:53,164 --> 00:47:55,792 It's like, I know what to expect but also not 975 00:47:55,834 --> 00:48:00,630 what the defendants' counsel might ask me. 976 00:48:00,714 --> 00:48:02,966 Yeah, I'm ready to get it over with. 977 00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,268 I don't want to cry. 978 00:48:13,351 --> 00:48:15,603 I don't want them to make me cry. 979 00:48:19,899 --> 00:48:22,861 ♪ ♪ 980 00:48:22,944 --> 00:48:25,447 I actually learned about the rally 981 00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:28,408 couple weeks before August 12th. 982 00:48:28,491 --> 00:48:29,993 We were talking about it with Heather, you know, like, 983 00:48:30,035 --> 00:48:30,994 Heather, are you gonna go? 984 00:48:31,036 --> 00:48:32,287 Are we gonna go? 985 00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:33,621 And she said, you know, I want to go. 986 00:48:33,705 --> 00:48:34,873 I just--I don't-- 987 00:48:34,956 --> 00:48:36,207 I feel like somebody's gonna do something stupid 988 00:48:36,249 --> 00:48:37,542 and somebody's gonna die. 989 00:48:39,586 --> 00:48:41,004 But this is important. 990 00:48:41,046 --> 00:48:42,130 Like, we're gonna speak up. 991 00:48:42,213 --> 00:48:44,007 We're gonna make sure our voice is heard. 992 00:48:44,049 --> 00:48:45,342 We're gonna resist. 993 00:48:45,383 --> 00:48:49,554 ♪ ♪ 994 00:48:49,637 --> 00:48:51,973 August 12th, it was a hot day. 995 00:48:52,057 --> 00:48:53,683 It was, you know, four of us--me, Heather, 996 00:48:53,725 --> 00:48:56,061 Marcus, and Courtney-- that all went together 997 00:48:56,102 --> 00:48:57,729 and walked around. 998 00:48:57,812 --> 00:49:02,108 [indistinct chatter] 999 00:49:02,192 --> 00:49:04,402 When we got with the group on the street-- 1000 00:49:04,486 --> 00:49:06,571 so what's now Heather Heyer Way-- 1001 00:49:06,613 --> 00:49:10,241 it was more of a celebration, clowns in the street, 1002 00:49:10,283 --> 00:49:13,119 people hugging, handing out water, 1003 00:49:13,203 --> 00:49:15,747 kind of, like, reclaiming Charlottesville 1004 00:49:15,789 --> 00:49:20,085 and what we knew they were coming to kind of destroy. 1005 00:49:20,126 --> 00:49:23,797 It was, you know, chanting, happiness, and then boom. 1006 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,675 [people screaming] 1007 00:49:34,974 --> 00:49:37,310 Marcus! 1008 00:49:37,394 --> 00:49:39,312 Marcus! 1009 00:49:39,396 --> 00:49:41,314 I was actually recording. 1010 00:49:41,398 --> 00:49:43,274 And I wouldn't have recorded for as long 1011 00:49:43,316 --> 00:49:46,569 as I did if my hand wasn't shaking so bad. 1012 00:49:48,196 --> 00:49:50,865 And then when I, you know, found Marcus, 1013 00:49:50,949 --> 00:49:52,158 then of course, you know, it's like, 1014 00:49:52,242 --> 00:49:54,244 all right, where's Heather? 1015 00:49:56,454 --> 00:49:59,332 ♪ ♪ 1016 00:49:59,416 --> 00:50:01,459 Flash-forward to the hospital. 1017 00:50:01,543 --> 00:50:04,546 I had a couple of scrapes, some injuries, 1018 00:50:04,629 --> 00:50:05,797 you know, to my side. 1019 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,298 But I didn't think about it. 1020 00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:09,634 You know, people were literally bleeding, 1021 00:50:09,718 --> 00:50:12,137 and Marcus' leg was broken. 1022 00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:13,930 And I'm like, I'm fine. 1023 00:50:13,972 --> 00:50:15,223 You know, I grew up with three brothers. 1024 00:50:15,306 --> 00:50:16,641 Like, I can take a hit. 1025 00:50:16,683 --> 00:50:18,351 I'm fine. 1026 00:50:18,435 --> 00:50:20,937 A guy that was in the room, he asked me, he said, hey, 1027 00:50:20,979 --> 00:50:22,647 did you hear that girl died? 1028 00:50:23,815 --> 00:50:25,984 And I'm like, who? 1029 00:50:26,026 --> 00:50:27,485 And he said, the big girl. 1030 00:50:27,527 --> 00:50:29,154 And Heather would tell you herself, you know, 1031 00:50:29,195 --> 00:50:30,905 Heather's not a small girl. 1032 00:50:30,989 --> 00:50:33,575 But immediately I'm like, who was she? 1033 00:50:33,658 --> 00:50:34,826 Was she wearing black? 1034 00:50:34,909 --> 00:50:36,202 Did she have a ponytail? 1035 00:50:36,286 --> 00:50:37,829 And he was like-- he kind of got taken aback. 1036 00:50:37,912 --> 00:50:39,039 He was like, I-- 1037 00:50:39,122 --> 00:50:41,124 I don't know, I don't know. 1038 00:50:42,459 --> 00:50:45,211 An officer came, took me in a room. 1039 00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:46,880 And he's like, I just want to tell you, 1040 00:50:46,963 --> 00:50:48,673 your friend Heather-- 1041 00:50:48,757 --> 00:50:50,342 and I said, yes. 1042 00:50:50,383 --> 00:50:53,720 And he said, she's the one that passed away. 1043 00:50:56,097 --> 00:50:57,599 And I immediately dropped to my knees, 1044 00:50:57,682 --> 00:51:02,062 like, from the chair, dropped to my knees. 1045 00:51:02,145 --> 00:51:03,772 And I mean, I've never-- 1046 00:51:03,855 --> 00:51:05,398 [clicks tongue, sighs] 1047 00:51:08,068 --> 00:51:11,696 I've never had someone that's-- 1048 00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:13,531 most people haven't-- that's standing next to-- 1049 00:51:13,615 --> 00:51:16,368 you were literally just with them, that died. 1050 00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,624 Nothing would ever bring Heather back, 1051 00:51:22,707 --> 00:51:25,835 but we want them to be responsible for what they 1052 00:51:25,877 --> 00:51:28,797 organized and what they did. 1053 00:51:32,092 --> 00:51:33,885 - So this is our subject here. 1054 00:51:33,968 --> 00:51:36,721 So for two days in a row, our same subject 1055 00:51:36,763 --> 00:51:37,806 wearing the same outfit. 1056 00:51:37,889 --> 00:51:40,475 - This is today? - This is today. 1057 00:51:40,558 --> 00:51:44,145 - All right, so tomorrow let's just put a recon team on him 1058 00:51:44,229 --> 00:51:46,314 and see where he goes afterwards. 1059 00:51:46,398 --> 00:51:49,234 I don't want to have a situation where we're 1060 00:51:49,317 --> 00:51:51,069 confronting somebody for nothing here, 1061 00:51:51,111 --> 00:51:52,779 'cause that's the exact opposite of what we're 1062 00:51:52,862 --> 00:51:54,280 trying to do in this town. 1063 00:51:54,364 --> 00:51:57,659 - Okay, so I'll put this out in an email to our-- 1064 00:51:57,742 --> 00:51:59,661 our lead. 1065 00:51:59,744 --> 00:52:01,830 - Thanks. - Thank you. 1066 00:52:04,416 --> 00:52:07,627 - We've gotten information about security issues 1067 00:52:07,711 --> 00:52:08,878 that have arisen. 1068 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,757 There have been reports of white supremacist groups 1069 00:52:12,841 --> 00:52:17,262 driving by our hotel, honking, things like that. 1070 00:52:18,263 --> 00:52:20,390 This is, um... 1071 00:52:22,267 --> 00:52:25,437 It was a long, stressful night. 1072 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,108 And I dealt with it by eating my feelings. 1073 00:52:30,191 --> 00:52:33,445 - So it'll be April of 2021... 1074 00:52:33,486 --> 00:52:35,238 ♪ ♪ 1075 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,489 - Which one of those? 1076 00:52:36,573 --> 00:52:37,699 - I'm taking mine and Alex's. 1077 00:52:37,782 --> 00:52:39,159 - Okay. - She's gonna come with me. 1078 00:52:39,242 --> 00:52:40,660 You have to hand them to each person. 1079 00:52:40,744 --> 00:52:41,786 - I'll do it. 1080 00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:42,871 - And you can just tell them up there what it is. 1081 00:52:42,954 --> 00:52:43,955 - Yeah, sure. 1082 00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:45,415 - We start tomorrow. 1083 00:52:45,457 --> 00:52:48,209 And that'll be jury selection. 1084 00:52:48,293 --> 00:52:53,214 Jury selection is a gigantic variable in every case 1085 00:52:53,298 --> 00:52:55,508 but I think particularly in this one. 1086 00:52:55,592 --> 00:52:59,929 This issue is obviously an issue that people have 1087 00:53:00,013 --> 00:53:02,307 very, very strong feelings about. 1088 00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:04,392 And so you have to try to suss out, 1089 00:53:04,476 --> 00:53:06,728 are you gonna be a juror that is gonna be 1090 00:53:06,811 --> 00:53:08,396 open-minded to the idea 1091 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,693 that people planned a racially motivated violent rally? 1092 00:53:13,777 --> 00:53:18,490 The most critical part of this trial is jury selection. 1093 00:53:21,326 --> 00:53:23,453 - Okay, I'm assembled here now. 1094 00:53:23,495 --> 00:53:26,623 - Come in, post red direct 0814. 1095 00:53:30,335 --> 00:53:31,961 - If you need me to protect you at all-- 1096 00:53:32,003 --> 00:53:33,213 - Very good. [laughter] 1097 00:53:33,296 --> 00:53:35,173 - Hey, Robbie, I wanted you to meet Wood anyway. 1098 00:53:35,215 --> 00:53:36,383 - Hey, Wood. Nice to meet you. 1099 00:53:36,466 --> 00:53:38,009 - Nice to meet you too. - Oh, whoa. 1100 00:53:38,093 --> 00:53:39,177 You're bigger than two of me. 1101 00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:41,179 [laughter] 1102 00:53:41,221 --> 00:53:42,847 Definitely two of Karen. 1103 00:53:54,234 --> 00:53:55,443 - Okay. 1104 00:53:56,236 --> 00:53:57,779 - We're good to go. 1105 00:54:05,203 --> 00:54:12,377 ♪ ♪ 1106 00:54:19,342 --> 00:54:22,262 - Would you please raise your right hands? 1107 00:54:35,775 --> 00:54:39,612 - Jury selection is actually really jury deselection. 1108 00:54:39,696 --> 00:54:43,533 Each side has a certain amount of peremptory strikes. 1109 00:54:43,575 --> 00:54:47,954 And once you use those, you're left with whoever's left. 1110 00:55:09,225 --> 00:55:11,436 - We're going through the cause process right now 1111 00:55:11,478 --> 00:55:12,604 to see whether or not a juror 1112 00:55:12,645 --> 00:55:14,481 is qualified to sit on the jury. 1113 00:55:14,564 --> 00:55:17,817 And so I'm getting updates for each one. 1114 00:55:17,901 --> 00:55:21,404 - I think the thing that's been most surprising to me 1115 00:55:21,446 --> 00:55:23,907 is how many people are 1116 00:55:23,948 --> 00:55:27,035 legitimately concerned about racism against white people. 1117 00:55:50,642 --> 00:55:53,103 - Literal text says, "It's a bit of a mess right now." 1118 00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:31,641 - The defendants used a peremptory strike 1119 00:56:31,683 --> 00:56:35,437 on the first Black juror they had an opportunity to strike. 1120 00:56:41,651 --> 00:56:44,529 When asked to justify that, 1121 00:56:44,571 --> 00:56:47,115 the defendants said things like, 1122 00:56:47,198 --> 00:56:49,284 his answers were too perfect. 1123 00:56:49,367 --> 00:56:51,453 They didn't like the way he looked at them. 1124 00:56:51,536 --> 00:56:56,207 And so we challenged that strike under Batson. 1125 00:56:57,876 --> 00:57:01,546 - A Batson challenge is when you challenge a strike 1126 00:57:01,588 --> 00:57:04,466 because you believe it was brought for reasons that are 1127 00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:07,218 unconstitutional, for example, a strike 1128 00:57:07,302 --> 00:57:08,887 based on somebody's race. 1129 00:57:10,889 --> 00:57:12,891 The way that I've described it is feeling 1130 00:57:12,974 --> 00:57:16,144 like there was an anvil on my chest for three days. 1131 00:57:16,227 --> 00:57:18,563 There was no more important decisions that we made 1132 00:57:18,646 --> 00:57:20,607 than during jury selection. 1133 00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:23,193 And, you know, it was like being 1134 00:57:23,234 --> 00:57:25,028 in a knife fight about race 1135 00:57:25,070 --> 00:57:27,906 with white supremacists for three days. 1136 00:57:31,076 --> 00:57:32,369 And by the book. 1137 00:57:32,452 --> 00:57:34,579 I'm convinced that he was in his own mind... 1138 00:57:37,499 --> 00:57:39,709 - I'm a professional talk show host. 1139 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,443 - Ugh. 1140 00:58:05,485 --> 00:58:07,487 Oh, my God. 1141 00:58:07,570 --> 00:58:08,738 That judge is gonna give me a hard time. 1142 00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:12,117 The backtrack--oh, my God. 1143 00:58:12,158 --> 00:58:13,743 So we have a jury of 12. 1144 00:58:13,785 --> 00:58:15,453 The two jurors we got today were both 1145 00:58:15,537 --> 00:58:18,081 really intelligent guys, really good. 1146 00:58:18,123 --> 00:58:22,669 - I'm like, so tired, I can't even articulate sentences. 1147 00:58:22,752 --> 00:58:24,963 Everyone did an amazing job. - Amazing job. 1148 00:58:25,005 --> 00:58:27,799 On Batson, guys, it's-- we didn't win it, 1149 00:58:27,882 --> 00:58:29,968 but we did really, really well. 1150 00:58:30,051 --> 00:58:31,720 - We--we stood up for what's important. 1151 00:58:31,803 --> 00:58:33,430 - We stood up, but we're gonna have a continuing issue. 1152 00:58:33,471 --> 00:58:35,223 I think it was kind of chaos in the courtroom 1153 00:58:35,306 --> 00:58:38,935 and the pro se defendants, but openings tomorrow. 1154 00:58:38,977 --> 00:58:41,438 And then we start with our first witness. 1155 00:58:41,479 --> 00:58:44,607 [indistinct chatter] 1156 00:58:54,409 --> 00:59:00,957 ♪ ♪ 1157 00:59:00,999 --> 00:59:03,793 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 1158 00:59:03,835 --> 00:59:08,965 our plaintiffs have waited four long years for this day. 1159 00:59:09,007 --> 00:59:11,676 In that time, they've tried to move forward with their lives 1160 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,179 as best they can. 1161 00:59:14,262 --> 00:59:16,348 But no matter what they do, 1162 00:59:16,431 --> 00:59:18,141 they continue to carry with them 1163 00:59:18,183 --> 00:59:20,894 the pain and trauma of what they experienced 1164 00:59:20,977 --> 00:59:25,190 on August 11 and August 12, 2017. 1165 00:59:25,231 --> 00:59:29,319 That's why you are here, so that a jury of their peers 1166 00:59:29,361 --> 00:59:31,112 can finally hear the truth 1167 00:59:31,196 --> 00:59:34,282 about what happened on those two days. 1168 00:59:36,201 --> 00:59:39,287 - It is the defendants' own communications in this case 1169 00:59:39,371 --> 00:59:41,790 that are going to show you that the violence 1170 00:59:41,873 --> 00:59:45,877 of August 11th and 12th was no accident. 1171 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,254 The defendants planned for violence, 1172 00:59:48,338 --> 00:59:50,215 they executed violence, 1173 00:59:50,256 --> 00:59:54,052 and they celebrated and owned the violence after the fact. 1174 01:01:01,953 --> 01:01:04,873 - Can I read you something that Cantwell said 1175 01:01:04,956 --> 01:01:07,250 at the end of his opening? 1176 01:01:07,292 --> 01:01:09,794 "When this is over, I hope you all become die-hard fans 1177 01:01:09,836 --> 01:01:12,630 and together, we can try and save this country." 1178 01:01:12,714 --> 01:01:14,341 - Good luck. 1179 01:01:14,424 --> 01:01:18,303 ♪ ♪ 1180 01:01:37,113 --> 01:01:40,909 - This Unite the Right event is going to be huge. 1181 01:01:40,992 --> 01:01:43,161 We need to do everything by the book 1182 01:01:43,203 --> 01:01:45,914 so that our people don't get into legal trouble. 1183 01:01:45,997 --> 01:01:48,750 We want to be able to express ourselves 1184 01:01:48,833 --> 01:01:52,796 and look like the good guys. 1185 01:02:08,937 --> 01:02:11,314 - Oh, absolutely. 1186 01:02:11,356 --> 01:02:12,524 He was a revolutionary. 1187 01:02:12,565 --> 01:02:14,067 We are too. 1188 01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:17,987 - Do we have any videos of Kessler talking 1189 01:02:18,029 --> 01:02:19,531 that we haven't looked at? 1190 01:02:19,572 --> 01:02:20,615 - There he is. 1191 01:02:20,699 --> 01:02:21,866 - Oh, there he is. - Yeah. 1192 01:02:23,201 --> 01:02:26,121 - This kind of shows, like, he's not that important. 1193 01:02:26,204 --> 01:02:28,915 Because when Spencer walks in, everyone just turns. 1194 01:02:28,998 --> 01:02:32,210 - Makes us think about who said he'd meet you here today? 1195 01:02:32,293 --> 01:02:35,463 ♪ ♪ 1196 01:02:35,547 --> 01:02:40,593 - Jason Kessler was really the key organizer 1197 01:02:40,677 --> 01:02:43,138 to the conspiracy. 1198 01:02:43,221 --> 01:02:45,473 He reached out to Richard Spencer. 1199 01:02:45,557 --> 01:02:48,393 He knew that if he had Spencer's star power, 1200 01:02:48,476 --> 01:02:52,564 he could build an army for his battle of Charlottesville. 1201 01:02:52,647 --> 01:02:55,066 He also reached out to others, 1202 01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:56,818 including Matthew Heimbach, who's the leader 1203 01:02:56,901 --> 01:02:58,903 of the Traditionalist Worker Party. 1204 01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:12,000 ♪ ♪ 1205 01:04:15,522 --> 01:04:22,195 ♪ ♪ 1206 01:04:22,278 --> 01:04:24,280 - I want to go over the phone records. 1207 01:04:24,322 --> 01:04:26,866 - Yeah. 1208 01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:29,828 - June 13th, it's Cantwell, Michael Hill, 1209 01:04:29,869 --> 01:04:31,705 Derrick Davis, who's TWP, 1210 01:04:31,788 --> 01:04:35,000 Kline, Damigo, Dennis Durham, who's League of the South. 1211 01:04:35,083 --> 01:04:37,502 So basically within, like... 1212 01:04:37,585 --> 01:04:38,878 - Also Monroe. 1213 01:04:38,962 --> 01:04:41,131 - You know, one afternoon evening, he-- 1214 01:04:41,172 --> 01:04:44,592 he's--calls almost everybody associated 1215 01:04:44,676 --> 01:04:45,593 with this conspiracy. 1216 01:04:48,513 --> 01:04:52,100 Mr. Kessler, these are your phone calls between May 24th 1217 01:04:52,183 --> 01:04:55,437 and August 12th with defendant Richard Spencer. 1218 01:05:00,692 --> 01:05:04,904 - So specifically you spoke to Mr. Cantwell 13 times. 1219 01:05:04,988 --> 01:05:08,491 Starting on August 7th of 2017, 1220 01:05:08,533 --> 01:05:12,829 you spoke to Mr. Cantwell every single day. 1221 01:05:12,871 --> 01:05:16,666 - Isn't it true, Mr. Cantwell, that you specifically advocate 1222 01:05:16,708 --> 01:05:18,293 violence on radical agenda? 1223 01:05:18,376 --> 01:05:21,046 - I advocate for people to defend themselves. 1224 01:05:21,087 --> 01:05:25,592 - Well, isn't it true that you advocate violence? 1225 01:05:25,675 --> 01:05:27,427 - I don't-- I don't know. 1226 01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:30,096 I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I don't-- 1227 01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:32,140 I don't agree with that assessment, no. 1228 01:05:34,267 --> 01:05:37,979 Everybody is terrified to talk about violence at all, right? 1229 01:05:38,063 --> 01:05:39,689 "I do not advocate violence." 1230 01:05:39,731 --> 01:05:41,566 Everybody has to, like, make that disclaimer or whatever. 1231 01:05:41,608 --> 01:05:43,610 I'm not making that disclaimer, okay? 1232 01:05:43,693 --> 01:05:45,904 I'm like, we're gonna have to fucking kill these people, 1233 01:05:45,987 --> 01:05:47,364 all right? 1234 01:05:47,405 --> 01:05:50,241 And we are here to do it in a manner which 1235 01:05:50,283 --> 01:05:53,995 serves the purpose at hand. 1236 01:05:56,414 --> 01:05:59,626 - This is from our security report. 1237 01:05:59,709 --> 01:06:06,091 Among other things, they do, like, a word cloud of chatter 1238 01:06:06,132 --> 01:06:08,843 from white supremacists on the internet. 1239 01:06:08,927 --> 01:06:10,845 The larger words are more frequently used 1240 01:06:10,929 --> 01:06:12,597 than the smaller words. 1241 01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:18,645 - Much of the planning happened on Discord. 1242 01:06:18,728 --> 01:06:21,648 There were channels within the Discord server 1243 01:06:21,731 --> 01:06:25,276 for each group that attended. 1244 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,988 There were channels where they could talk about 1245 01:06:29,072 --> 01:06:31,574 what the transportation was going to be, 1246 01:06:31,616 --> 01:06:34,369 where they could talk about Virginia state law 1247 01:06:34,452 --> 01:06:38,790 so they could plan to make this look like self-defense. 1248 01:06:38,832 --> 01:06:45,463 There were channels about what tools and implements to bring. 1249 01:06:45,547 --> 01:06:48,049 So there were channels sort of for planning every aspect 1250 01:06:48,133 --> 01:06:51,261 of this event, from the most nefarious 1251 01:06:51,302 --> 01:06:53,304 to the completely mundane 1252 01:06:53,388 --> 01:06:55,015 what are we gonna bring to eat for lunch, 1253 01:06:55,098 --> 01:06:56,641 and things like this. 1254 01:06:56,725 --> 01:07:03,440 ♪ ♪ 1255 01:07:10,697 --> 01:07:12,574 - I mean, I think what we would say is, there-- 1256 01:07:12,657 --> 01:07:16,202 there are--there's bombshell after bombshell. 1257 01:07:16,286 --> 01:07:19,748 I found truly jaw-dropping communications 1258 01:07:19,831 --> 01:07:22,000 that really underscored our theory of the case. 1259 01:07:22,042 --> 01:07:29,174 ♪ ♪ 1260 01:07:33,928 --> 01:07:36,806 - You saw the possibility of violence 1261 01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:40,018 by large groups of people associated 1262 01:07:40,101 --> 01:07:42,354 with the Unite the Right rally, isn't that right? 1263 01:07:42,437 --> 01:07:45,398 - I saw the violence as coming from the antifa side 1264 01:07:45,482 --> 01:07:48,943 and that we needed to be able to defend ourselves. 1265 01:07:49,027 --> 01:07:50,528 crowd: We don't want a white space. 1266 01:07:50,612 --> 01:07:57,202 - Antifa is a loosely defined group that is against fascism. 1267 01:07:57,285 --> 01:08:00,872 And so the defendants tried to claim 1268 01:08:00,914 --> 01:08:05,293 that any violence that occurred was in defense 1269 01:08:05,377 --> 01:08:08,755 of antifa's aggression. 1270 01:08:08,838 --> 01:08:11,424 - That's bogus no matter what. 1271 01:08:11,508 --> 01:08:14,177 Going all the way back to the spring from the Discord chats, 1272 01:08:14,219 --> 01:08:17,680 there's a lot of talk in there about provoking Jews 1273 01:08:17,721 --> 01:08:19,390 or provoking "antifa." 1274 01:08:19,474 --> 01:08:21,685 So they swing first so that these guys 1275 01:08:21,725 --> 01:08:23,144 can then crush them. 1276 01:08:23,228 --> 01:08:25,063 That's what they intended all along. 1277 01:08:25,104 --> 01:08:32,278 ♪ ♪ 1278 01:08:54,634 --> 01:08:58,470 - One of the tactics of the conspiracy 1279 01:08:58,555 --> 01:09:03,268 was this idea that if protesters are in your way, 1280 01:09:03,350 --> 01:09:07,104 you can run them over. 1281 01:09:07,147 --> 01:09:09,774 - Tyrone writes, "Sure would be nice." 1282 01:09:09,858 --> 01:09:15,071 And underneath is a photograph of a modified tractor 1283 01:09:15,113 --> 01:09:17,115 that says, "Introducing John Deere's 1284 01:09:17,157 --> 01:09:20,535 new multi-lane protester digester," right? 1285 01:09:22,203 --> 01:09:23,371 - That appears to be the image. 1286 01:09:23,455 --> 01:09:28,126 - And that was posted by Tyrone, right? 1287 01:09:28,167 --> 01:09:30,295 - It appears so. 1288 01:09:31,587 --> 01:09:34,006 - It wasn't some sort of freak accident 1289 01:09:34,090 --> 01:09:36,134 where this car ran into people. 1290 01:09:36,176 --> 01:09:38,386 This was part of the overall conspiracy, 1291 01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:42,057 where the defendants actually believed 1292 01:09:42,140 --> 01:09:43,640 that if somebody was in our way, 1293 01:09:43,725 --> 01:09:47,354 it was our right to just run them down. 1294 01:09:47,437 --> 01:09:51,774 - Did you have a conversation about whether it was legal 1295 01:09:51,816 --> 01:09:54,861 to run over counterprotesters in Virginia 1296 01:09:54,944 --> 01:09:57,739 prior to Unite the Right? 1297 01:09:57,822 --> 01:09:59,574 - I don't recall any such conversations, 1298 01:09:59,657 --> 01:10:01,493 but I know that sort of thing because people had been 1299 01:10:01,576 --> 01:10:05,622 blocking roadways for... well, years, 1300 01:10:05,663 --> 01:10:07,832 but generally speaking, they started that tactic 1301 01:10:07,874 --> 01:10:09,376 with the Trump rallies. 1302 01:10:09,459 --> 01:10:12,629 And that had been kind of an open question. 1303 01:10:12,671 --> 01:10:15,590 Hence why I believe the state of North Carolina 1304 01:10:15,674 --> 01:10:18,968 deemed it appropriate when people were menacing people 1305 01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:20,970 by harassing their vehicles, 1306 01:10:21,012 --> 01:10:25,016 to allow people to escape danger. 1307 01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:28,728 ♪ ♪ 1308 01:10:31,022 --> 01:10:33,483 [blow dryer whirring] 1309 01:10:55,422 --> 01:10:57,632 - I'm just shaky today. 1310 01:11:05,557 --> 01:11:07,684 That look right? - I think it does. 1311 01:11:12,731 --> 01:11:16,818 ♪ ♪ 1312 01:11:28,413 --> 01:11:29,831 crowd: Black lives matter. 1313 01:11:29,914 --> 01:11:31,750 Black lives matter. 1314 01:11:31,791 --> 01:11:34,669 - We weren't there for long before they arrived. 1315 01:11:34,753 --> 01:11:38,798 We just linked arms and held hands and started to sing. 1316 01:11:40,759 --> 01:11:44,304 I just heard loudness, almost like thunder... 1317 01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:55,106 crowd: You will not replace us. 1318 01:11:55,190 --> 01:11:58,276 Jews will not replace us. 1319 01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,487 - This is easy! - Look at this. 1320 01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:03,156 [laughs] Beautiful! 1321 01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:05,325 - Once they started to surround us, 1322 01:12:05,408 --> 01:12:06,576 they were kind of like-- 1323 01:12:06,618 --> 01:12:09,621 came directly at Devin and I. 1324 01:12:09,662 --> 01:12:12,957 It felt like hundreds of people angry, 1325 01:12:12,999 --> 01:12:15,335 upset, screaming, yelling. 1326 01:12:15,418 --> 01:12:17,212 It happened so quickly. 1327 01:12:17,295 --> 01:12:19,130 They surrounded us so quickly. 1328 01:12:19,214 --> 01:12:21,466 [indistinct yelling] 1329 01:12:21,508 --> 01:12:23,551 - At any point, Ms. Romero, did you consider 1330 01:12:23,635 --> 01:12:26,304 leaving where you were at the base of the statue? 1331 01:12:26,346 --> 01:12:28,056 - Absolutely, absolutely. 1332 01:12:28,139 --> 01:12:30,141 I wanted to escape, run away. 1333 01:12:30,183 --> 01:12:33,603 There was literally--there was no way that I could do that. 1334 01:12:39,067 --> 01:12:40,402 - Yeah. Move, bitch! 1335 01:12:40,485 --> 01:12:42,070 [indistinct yelling] 1336 01:12:42,153 --> 01:12:44,322 - No, no, no, no. 1337 01:12:44,364 --> 01:12:46,366 - Shit, oh, shit. - Back up, back up, back up. 1338 01:12:46,449 --> 01:12:47,492 - We're gonna get pinned. 1339 01:12:47,534 --> 01:12:49,452 Come on, brother. Go right there. 1340 01:12:49,494 --> 01:12:51,413 [indistinct yelling] 1341 01:13:30,118 --> 01:13:33,747 [crowd roaring] 1342 01:13:48,845 --> 01:13:51,514 - It gives me, like, cold chills 1343 01:13:51,556 --> 01:13:53,475 to hear the trembling in her voice, 1344 01:13:53,558 --> 01:13:55,101 to know that I'm gonna have to go up there 1345 01:13:55,185 --> 01:13:56,978 and do the same thing. 1346 01:13:57,062 --> 01:13:58,605 You think you can prepare for it, 1347 01:13:58,688 --> 01:14:02,567 but you can't, no matter how much you watch the videos 1348 01:14:02,609 --> 01:14:04,152 or hear the stories. 1349 01:14:07,655 --> 01:14:10,742 [indistinct chatter] 1350 01:14:12,243 --> 01:14:14,037 - Thanks. - Mm-hmm. 1351 01:14:19,417 --> 01:14:21,127 - That's a negative IKB call. 1352 01:14:29,552 --> 01:14:34,808 ♪ ♪ 1353 01:15:06,798 --> 01:15:13,763 ♪ ♪ 1354 01:16:01,519 --> 01:16:04,939 - An attorney representing the National Socialist movement 1355 01:16:05,023 --> 01:16:08,443 says the plaintiffs' case is based on emotion and vengeance 1356 01:16:08,526 --> 01:16:09,694 but not evidence. 1357 01:16:09,736 --> 01:16:11,071 - Some of the white supremacists 1358 01:16:11,154 --> 01:16:13,073 are representing themselves and using 1359 01:16:13,156 --> 01:16:15,367 the witness stand as a soapbox, 1360 01:16:15,450 --> 01:16:17,702 questioning the victims. 1361 01:16:17,744 --> 01:16:20,372 Christopher Cantwell has used the trial as a platform 1362 01:16:20,455 --> 01:16:23,208 to air conspiracy theories. 1363 01:16:23,249 --> 01:16:25,877 He's used cross-examinations to badger witnesses 1364 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,338 and accuse plaintiffs of being antifa. 1365 01:16:28,380 --> 01:16:30,715 - This speaks to how some defendants don't seem 1366 01:16:30,799 --> 01:16:33,385 to take this case seriously. 1367 01:16:33,468 --> 01:16:35,845 ♪ ♪ 1368 01:16:35,887 --> 01:16:38,473 - Natalie Romero and Devin Willis, 1369 01:16:38,556 --> 01:16:41,059 I think it's fair to say, were tortured by the defendants 1370 01:16:41,142 --> 01:16:43,895 in terms of being cross-examined by them. 1371 01:16:43,978 --> 01:16:46,731 For Devin, which is really the most upsetting, 1372 01:16:46,815 --> 01:16:50,819 he was cross-examined for five hours. 1373 01:17:07,002 --> 01:17:09,087 - Natalie in particular was so compelling. 1374 01:17:09,129 --> 01:17:11,089 And she's--I don't even know if she's 5 feet tall 1375 01:17:11,172 --> 01:17:12,841 and one of the people who has, I think, 1376 01:17:12,924 --> 01:17:14,926 the most serious injuries of all the plaintiffs. 1377 01:17:23,643 --> 01:17:25,311 And you got pepper sprayed. 1378 01:17:25,395 --> 01:17:26,563 You got maced. 1379 01:17:26,604 --> 01:17:27,772 You got tear-gassed. 1380 01:17:27,814 --> 01:17:30,233 You got hands put all over you. 1381 01:17:42,203 --> 01:17:44,914 - I think it was incredibly important for the jury to hear 1382 01:17:44,956 --> 01:17:47,250 what these guys were and how they had no problem 1383 01:17:47,292 --> 01:17:50,962 revictimizing them in their cross-examinations. 1384 01:18:00,847 --> 01:18:03,933 - [whispering indistinctly] 1385 01:18:13,109 --> 01:18:16,529 And you should do that combined with this 1386 01:18:16,613 --> 01:18:18,156 from Damigo to Casey. 1387 01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:19,491 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1388 01:18:19,532 --> 01:18:21,868 - You should have a separate section on, like, once we-- 1389 01:18:21,951 --> 01:18:23,870 - After the events of August 11th and 12th, 1390 01:18:23,953 --> 01:18:26,414 there's a flurry of communications 1391 01:18:26,498 --> 01:18:31,336 where Kessler is urging Kline to delete the Discord. 1392 01:18:37,133 --> 01:18:38,968 You write... 1393 01:19:11,126 --> 01:19:14,254 - This is a private Discord message to you 1394 01:19:14,337 --> 01:19:15,588 from August 14th, 1395 01:19:15,672 --> 01:19:17,507 in which this person says, 1396 01:19:17,549 --> 01:19:20,176 "The Charlottesville server needs to be deleted. 1397 01:19:20,218 --> 01:19:22,846 "It's compromised and has people talking 1398 01:19:22,887 --> 01:19:25,515 about committing violence." 1399 01:19:40,405 --> 01:19:43,033 In your tweet, Mr. Kessler, you say... 1400 01:19:59,507 --> 01:20:02,177 - It was a great success, and we're gonna do it again. 1401 01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:03,345 This was-- 1402 01:20:03,428 --> 01:20:06,097 - I'm finalizing the cross for Spencer. 1403 01:20:06,181 --> 01:20:08,224 And I need to be doing it right now because he's likely 1404 01:20:08,266 --> 01:20:11,269 to be called in the next day or two. 1405 01:20:11,353 --> 01:20:13,563 It could be sort of any moment now. 1406 01:20:17,776 --> 01:20:19,861 Fundamentally in this case, 1407 01:20:19,944 --> 01:20:22,739 we need to prove that the defendants conspired 1408 01:20:22,781 --> 01:20:25,116 to commit racially motivated violence. 1409 01:20:25,158 --> 01:20:27,952 And in order to do that, you need to elicit 1410 01:20:27,994 --> 01:20:30,747 evidence about their views. 1411 01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:33,750 And that can be difficult when faced with somebody 1412 01:20:33,792 --> 01:20:35,919 who obviously doesn't want to admit 1413 01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:37,921 what their actual intentions are. 1414 01:20:40,965 --> 01:20:42,300 - No, I don't. 1415 01:20:42,384 --> 01:20:46,513 - Richard Spencer has tried to put a polish 1416 01:20:46,596 --> 01:20:50,225 on extreme hatred and racism. 1417 01:20:52,769 --> 01:20:55,897 - I think what's very important is to do 1418 01:20:55,980 --> 01:20:59,567 what I can to knock that polish off. 1419 01:21:04,489 --> 01:21:10,829 - Yes, I have used that term in private company 1420 01:21:10,912 --> 01:21:12,497 in my life, yes. 1421 01:21:12,580 --> 01:21:17,419 - My job in examining Spencer is to let people see 1422 01:21:17,502 --> 01:21:21,381 that he is not who he says he is. 1423 01:21:21,464 --> 01:21:25,677 His views are not just racist, but they are violent, 1424 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,346 which is the key to our case. 1425 01:21:32,517 --> 01:21:35,186 - I'm--I'm sure I've heard him say that. 1426 01:21:35,228 --> 01:21:37,522 But that--you know, a lot of--you have 1427 01:21:37,605 --> 01:21:41,985 to understand, particularly with the younger people, 1428 01:21:42,027 --> 01:21:44,946 some of these statements like that 1429 01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:47,907 are almost like the equivalent of memes. 1430 01:21:47,991 --> 01:21:52,620 - We knew going in that we needed to have experts 1431 01:21:52,704 --> 01:21:57,125 translate for the jury the way these guys speak, 1432 01:21:57,208 --> 01:22:00,003 what they say, and what it really means. 1433 01:22:00,045 --> 01:22:01,963 What we're gonna do today is, we're gonna kind of do 1434 01:22:02,047 --> 01:22:04,799 a walk-through of how I see the testimony going. 1435 01:22:04,883 --> 01:22:06,593 So that's the first section, section one. 1436 01:22:06,676 --> 01:22:08,178 - Okay, sounds good. 1437 01:22:08,219 --> 01:22:10,055 - Professor Lipstadt, all-- 1438 01:22:10,138 --> 01:22:12,182 you know, do you swear to tell the whole truth, yada yada? 1439 01:22:12,223 --> 01:22:15,101 We're gonna put up a video you should be able to see. 1440 01:22:15,185 --> 01:22:17,145 Let's take a look at tab three. 1441 01:22:23,026 --> 01:22:26,196 - Some people are confused by the fact 1442 01:22:26,237 --> 01:22:31,284 that anti-Semitism plays such a part in this trial. 1443 01:22:31,368 --> 01:22:34,037 'Cause after all, this is a trial of white nationalists, 1444 01:22:34,079 --> 01:22:36,206 white supremacists. 1445 01:22:36,247 --> 01:22:39,042 So how did we get to the Jews? 1446 01:22:39,084 --> 01:22:42,379 It's about white replacement theory, 1447 01:22:42,420 --> 01:22:47,550 and it is that there is a plan afoot 1448 01:22:47,592 --> 01:22:52,097 to destroy cultures that are white 1449 01:22:52,138 --> 01:22:56,976 and to flood these countries with Black people, 1450 01:22:57,060 --> 01:23:01,231 with brown people, with Muslims. 1451 01:23:01,272 --> 01:23:03,733 But the theory also goes on to say 1452 01:23:03,775 --> 01:23:07,570 that these people are not as capable, as smart, 1453 01:23:07,612 --> 01:23:10,115 as industrious as we are. 1454 01:23:10,156 --> 01:23:14,202 So there must be someone behind the scenes 1455 01:23:14,285 --> 01:23:16,162 who is making this happen. 1456 01:23:16,246 --> 01:23:19,958 It has to be someone with the financial ability, 1457 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,795 someone with the smarts, 1458 01:23:23,837 --> 01:23:26,506 and someone who knows how to operate behind the scenes 1459 01:23:26,589 --> 01:23:28,633 and never be caught. 1460 01:23:28,675 --> 01:23:32,303 And that is the template for anti-Semitism. 1461 01:23:33,555 --> 01:23:35,849 You will not replace us. Who's the "you"? 1462 01:23:35,932 --> 01:23:37,100 Who were they talking about? 1463 01:23:37,142 --> 01:23:39,602 They weren't talking about the Christian Virginians 1464 01:23:39,644 --> 01:23:42,147 standing on the thing thinking who these people are. 1465 01:23:42,188 --> 01:23:43,648 Who is gonna replace them? 1466 01:23:43,690 --> 01:23:47,152 And then they slipped into "Jews will not replace us." 1467 01:23:48,153 --> 01:23:50,613 It is a conspiracy theory. 1468 01:23:50,655 --> 01:23:53,324 And essentially it is a theory that binds together 1469 01:23:53,408 --> 01:23:57,537 many people on the far right 1470 01:23:57,620 --> 01:24:00,248 and sometimes the not-so-far right. 1471 01:24:00,331 --> 01:24:01,583 - I'm not against the immigrants. 1472 01:24:01,666 --> 01:24:03,168 I just am for Americans. 1473 01:24:03,209 --> 01:24:04,294 And nobody cares about them. 1474 01:24:04,336 --> 01:24:05,628 It's like, shut up. You're dying. 1475 01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:06,963 We're gonna replace you. 1476 01:24:07,005 --> 01:24:10,800 - Democrats want to replace you, the American voters, 1477 01:24:10,842 --> 01:24:13,011 with newly amnestied citizens. 1478 01:24:13,094 --> 01:24:14,763 - It's a flat-out invasion. 1479 01:24:14,846 --> 01:24:16,389 We are being overwhelmed 1480 01:24:16,473 --> 01:24:18,350 every day. 1481 01:24:18,433 --> 01:24:21,394 - The white supremacists are American citizens. 1482 01:24:21,478 --> 01:24:26,649 The illegal immigrants are people who shouldn't be here. 1483 01:24:26,691 --> 01:24:31,571 - If the public can understand that these were not just 1484 01:24:31,654 --> 01:24:35,617 a bunch of crazies who came to this beautiful town 1485 01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:39,537 of Charlottesville and did some ugly things 1486 01:24:39,579 --> 01:24:42,248 but there was no bigger message, 1487 01:24:42,332 --> 01:24:46,503 what I'm saying is, yes, there was. 1488 01:24:46,544 --> 01:24:49,339 And yes, there is. 1489 01:24:49,381 --> 01:24:55,053 This is not just about what was in mid-August 2017. 1490 01:24:55,095 --> 01:24:58,056 This is a lot about what will be in America 1491 01:24:58,098 --> 01:25:01,893 for many decades to come. 1492 01:25:33,383 --> 01:25:37,303 - No, they're about sending a message. 1493 01:25:37,387 --> 01:25:38,805 - These are text messages that you 1494 01:25:38,888 --> 01:25:40,348 exchanged with Mr. Cantwell. 1495 01:25:40,432 --> 01:25:42,684 And Mr. Cantwell says to you, 1496 01:25:42,767 --> 01:25:44,686 "I'm willing to risk a lot for our cause, 1497 01:25:44,769 --> 01:25:47,105 "including violence and incarceration, 1498 01:25:47,147 --> 01:25:48,815 "but I want to coordinate and make sure 1499 01:25:48,898 --> 01:25:50,316 it's worth it to our cause." 1500 01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:55,572 And you say, "It's worth it. At least for me." 1501 01:25:55,613 --> 01:25:57,782 Is this an email, Mr. Spencer, that was sent 1502 01:25:57,824 --> 01:25:59,909 from your email address to your followers? 1503 01:25:59,951 --> 01:26:02,787 - Yes, very well-written. 1504 01:26:02,871 --> 01:26:09,794 ♪ ♪ 1505 01:26:35,445 --> 01:26:37,906 - And you're replying to a tweet that says... 1506 01:26:51,961 --> 01:26:55,465 ♪ ♪ 1507 01:27:36,923 --> 01:27:38,341 - The night of August 12th, 1508 01:27:38,383 --> 01:27:40,468 when he felt that things had gone south 1509 01:27:40,552 --> 01:27:43,263 and everything had kind of been shut down by the police 1510 01:27:43,346 --> 01:27:45,432 after Heather Heyer was murdered 1511 01:27:45,515 --> 01:27:47,350 and they weren't able to kind of rally people 1512 01:27:47,392 --> 01:27:50,520 the way he had planned, he was livid. 1513 01:27:50,562 --> 01:27:54,024 And we have this tape of him. 1514 01:28:09,039 --> 01:28:10,081 - Yeah, that's right. 1515 01:28:10,165 --> 01:28:11,499 - We have them. 1516 01:29:18,775 --> 01:29:25,699 ♪ ♪ 1517 01:29:56,855 --> 01:29:59,524 - Look, I'm not known for my patience. 1518 01:29:59,607 --> 01:30:02,110 So in any case, any trial I've ever done, 1519 01:30:02,193 --> 01:30:03,695 this is not my favorite part. 1520 01:30:03,737 --> 01:30:06,197 I hate waiting for the jury. 1521 01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:09,325 And honestly I think, like all of us, I'm tired. 1522 01:30:09,367 --> 01:30:11,286 I think we all understood intellectually 1523 01:30:11,369 --> 01:30:12,954 what this case was about. 1524 01:30:13,038 --> 01:30:18,710 But I think seeing six-plus hours a day this kind of-- 1525 01:30:18,793 --> 01:30:20,628 I don't even know how to put it--waterfall, 1526 01:30:20,712 --> 01:30:22,714 river, roaring river 1527 01:30:22,756 --> 01:30:26,843 of hatred and vitriol that's treated 1528 01:30:26,885 --> 01:30:29,763 like it's normal, for me is psychologically 1529 01:30:29,846 --> 01:30:32,057 really, really hard to bear. 1530 01:30:32,098 --> 01:30:34,517 I think that's--would be a fair way to put it. 1531 01:30:36,853 --> 01:30:39,439 - The jury's job is to really assess 1532 01:30:39,522 --> 01:30:42,233 the evidence without regard to what's 1533 01:30:42,317 --> 01:30:44,069 happening outside of court. 1534 01:30:44,110 --> 01:30:45,570 And they're supposed to do it without regard 1535 01:30:45,612 --> 01:30:48,907 to kind of what it means for the moment or the country. 1536 01:30:48,990 --> 01:30:52,952 It's impossible to get a sense of where they're leaning. 1537 01:30:53,036 --> 01:30:57,582 I still feel good about the case that we tried. 1538 01:30:57,665 --> 01:31:01,086 And I hope the jury gets it right. 1539 01:31:09,511 --> 01:31:11,012 - The question is not making me feel 1540 01:31:11,054 --> 01:31:12,514 particularly good overall. 1541 01:31:12,597 --> 01:31:14,099 - Yeah. - The-- 1542 01:31:14,140 --> 01:31:15,767 - The question the jury asked about the violence? 1543 01:31:15,850 --> 01:31:17,352 - Yeah, the "are words violent?" 1544 01:31:17,435 --> 01:31:21,231 And it's like, well, that was-- 1545 01:31:21,272 --> 01:31:23,066 that was the whole fucking trial. 1546 01:31:23,149 --> 01:31:25,026 I mean, like, what a question. 1547 01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:26,403 - I know. 1548 01:31:26,486 --> 01:31:28,238 You'd think if the jury was gonna be debating 1549 01:31:28,279 --> 01:31:29,614 the big questions like this, 1550 01:31:29,698 --> 01:31:31,783 they would have done it earlier on. 1551 01:31:31,825 --> 01:31:33,201 - Yeah. 1552 01:31:33,284 --> 01:31:35,120 - Like, I don't give a shit if they're, like-- 1553 01:31:35,203 --> 01:31:37,580 for example, like, they don't like me, you know what I mean, 1554 01:31:37,622 --> 01:31:38,915 so they want to not give me anything. 1555 01:31:38,957 --> 01:31:41,501 That's completely fine as long as they 1556 01:31:41,584 --> 01:31:45,714 award damages for everyone else. 1557 01:31:45,797 --> 01:31:47,966 - The thing that you're most concerned about 1558 01:31:48,008 --> 01:31:50,093 and I think we're all most concerned about 1559 01:31:50,135 --> 01:31:53,096 is that they are found guilty of the charge... 1560 01:31:53,138 --> 01:31:56,474 - Yeah. - Es, plural. 1561 01:31:56,516 --> 01:32:03,690 ♪ ♪ 1562 01:32:54,574 --> 01:32:58,870 [people cheering] 1563 01:32:58,953 --> 01:33:01,915 - We did it. 1564 01:33:01,998 --> 01:33:03,958 - Oh, man. 1565 01:33:04,042 --> 01:33:06,378 - [sobs] 1566 01:33:06,419 --> 01:33:09,422 ♪ ♪ 1567 01:33:09,506 --> 01:33:10,590 - Thank you all. Well done. 1568 01:33:10,674 --> 01:33:11,800 Thank you. 1569 01:33:11,883 --> 01:33:14,386 - [squeals, laughs] 1570 01:33:14,469 --> 01:33:18,139 [sighs] 1571 01:33:18,223 --> 01:33:21,685 ♪ ♪ 1572 01:33:21,726 --> 01:33:24,312 - Yay! - Yay! 1573 01:33:24,396 --> 01:33:27,899 [cheers and applause] 1574 01:33:32,612 --> 01:33:34,406 - Thank you. 1575 01:33:34,489 --> 01:33:39,703 ♪ ♪ 1576 01:33:41,579 --> 01:33:43,707 - No, everyone's pretty emotional over here. 1577 01:33:43,748 --> 01:33:44,916 I'm gonna show you-- 1578 01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,251 I'm gonna show you some emotions. 1579 01:33:46,334 --> 01:33:47,544 They're right there. 1580 01:33:47,585 --> 01:33:49,337 - Natalie. Natalie. 1581 01:33:49,421 --> 01:33:50,964 - So there's--don't-- 1582 01:33:51,047 --> 01:33:52,090 [laughter] 1583 01:33:52,173 --> 01:33:53,216 - Mwah. - Mwah. 1584 01:33:53,258 --> 01:33:55,468 - So they were found liable for conspiring 1585 01:33:55,552 --> 01:33:57,262 under Virginia state law. 1586 01:33:57,303 --> 01:34:00,098 The only thing that they were not found liable for 1587 01:34:00,140 --> 01:34:02,225 is the two federal claims that we brought. 1588 01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,520 We feel gratitude. 1589 01:34:05,603 --> 01:34:06,771 - I have a migraine from... 1590 01:34:06,813 --> 01:34:08,148 - Robbie feels like she has a migraine. 1591 01:34:08,231 --> 01:34:09,524 - The adrenaline drop. 1592 01:34:09,607 --> 01:34:11,276 - But collectively we feel very-- 1593 01:34:11,317 --> 01:34:12,944 we feel really grateful. 1594 01:34:13,028 --> 01:34:17,282 This is beyond imagination, how great this is. 1595 01:34:17,323 --> 01:34:18,742 - I need to talk to you. 1596 01:34:20,410 --> 01:34:22,120 - [laughs] - Classic. 1597 01:34:22,203 --> 01:34:23,163 - Incredible lawyer. 1598 01:34:23,246 --> 01:34:24,831 - Fighting machine. - Absolutely. 1599 01:34:24,914 --> 01:34:26,833 - Come here. - Holy shit is right. 1600 01:34:26,916 --> 01:34:28,084 - Come on, right here. 1601 01:34:28,126 --> 01:34:29,127 - Yeah! 1602 01:34:29,169 --> 01:34:30,211 - Right here. 1603 01:34:30,253 --> 01:34:31,129 - Short one in the middle. 1604 01:34:31,212 --> 01:34:33,089 - Yes. 1605 01:34:33,131 --> 01:34:40,138 ♪ ♪ 1606 01:35:11,961 --> 01:35:13,880 - When I brought the case, I hoped that there never 1607 01:35:13,963 --> 01:35:16,925 would be again this kind of armed, organized, 1608 01:35:17,008 --> 01:35:19,511 racially motivated conspiracy. 1609 01:35:19,594 --> 01:35:21,262 Can someone throw me a pad? 1610 01:35:21,346 --> 01:35:24,974 Since Charlottesville, there have been many. 1611 01:35:25,016 --> 01:35:26,768 I saw it as the end point, 1612 01:35:26,851 --> 01:35:28,812 and in certain ways, it was only the beginning. 1613 01:35:28,853 --> 01:35:30,397 - The host has arrived. 1614 01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:31,815 Joining conference. 1615 01:35:31,856 --> 01:35:34,943 - But I think we did help to expose who these people 1616 01:35:35,026 --> 01:35:38,655 and groups really are, what they think, 1617 01:35:38,697 --> 01:35:41,533 and what they're willing to do. 1618 01:35:41,616 --> 01:35:48,748 ♪ ♪ 1619 01:37:15,293 --> 01:37:17,462 [bright tone]