1 00:00:13,557 --> 00:00:15,893 [Jeff] We're talking about Christ, we're talking about the Antichrist. 2 00:00:15,976 --> 00:00:17,644 - [ambivalent music playing] - [sighs] 3 00:00:17,728 --> 00:00:19,521 Why would Christ be so casual? 4 00:00:20,689 --> 00:00:27,112 Hi, I'm Jeff. Today, we're going to talk about, "Has Christ come again?" 5 00:00:29,865 --> 00:00:36,371 Hmm… He's got the beard and the hair and blue eyes, 6 00:00:36,455 --> 00:00:42,252 but yes, I'm suggesting that, "Could I be Christ?" 7 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,547 Jeff, he fully admits, he's like, 8 00:00:45,672 --> 00:00:48,300 "I'm the master Christ, I'm the second coming." 9 00:00:48,383 --> 00:00:50,803 [laughs] God's the best troll. 10 00:00:50,886 --> 00:00:52,638 [Alice] A few years ago, he had short hair. 11 00:00:52,721 --> 00:00:54,765 First, I want to talk about my hair. 12 00:00:54,848 --> 00:00:57,226 - [laughs] - It's a fun thing to talk about. 13 00:00:57,309 --> 00:01:00,687 And he has since grown it out to be about shoulder length. 14 00:01:00,771 --> 00:01:01,772 He has a beard. 15 00:01:01,855 --> 00:01:03,482 - Welcome back. - Welcome back. 16 00:01:03,565 --> 00:01:05,818 - Welcome back. - Jeff cultivates 17 00:01:05,901 --> 00:01:11,240 - the master Christ image physically. - [singing] Holy, holy, holy. 18 00:01:11,323 --> 00:01:13,867 - Yeah! - [ominous music playing] 19 00:01:13,951 --> 00:01:18,080 I want you to receive my teaching. I want you to receive my enlightenment. 20 00:01:18,205 --> 00:01:21,500 If somebody is claiming that type of divine power, 21 00:01:21,582 --> 00:01:23,961 there's often abuse going on. 22 00:01:24,044 --> 00:01:28,715 - Deceit. [laughs] - I think Jeff and Shaleia are dangerous. 23 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:31,677 If you want to be gross, if you want to be weird, 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,138 if you don't want to do your inner work, fuck you. 25 00:01:35,222 --> 00:01:38,183 My business depends on all of you. 26 00:01:38,683 --> 00:01:42,938 If you're looking to them for help, then they become even more dangerous. 27 00:01:43,397 --> 00:01:46,859 Show me what you got, and I'll show you what the fuck I got. 28 00:01:56,994 --> 00:02:01,081 [upbeat music playing] 29 00:02:07,588 --> 00:02:09,923 [overlapping chatter] 30 00:02:11,133 --> 00:02:15,929 [Jeff] Welcome back to another juicy Twin Flame Ascension School class. 31 00:02:16,179 --> 00:02:21,393 - [bell rings] - [meditative vocalizing] 32 00:02:21,476 --> 00:02:25,981 [Alice] I had good reason to believe at that point that they were running a cult. 33 00:02:26,064 --> 00:02:28,317 I wasn't sure yet. I wanted to get their opinion 34 00:02:28,442 --> 00:02:30,110 and kind of hear them out, of course. 35 00:02:30,193 --> 00:02:32,237 [Shaleia] …is, "Blessed be, and namaste." 36 00:02:32,321 --> 00:02:35,324 - We will see you next week. - Namaste. 37 00:02:35,407 --> 00:02:39,745 So in June 2020, I finally convinced my editors, despite the pandemic, 38 00:02:39,828 --> 00:02:41,330 to send me to Michigan. 39 00:02:41,705 --> 00:02:45,000 ["Chaise Lounge" by Wet Leg plays] 40 00:02:53,091 --> 00:02:56,136 I was dying to meet them because so many of their followers 41 00:02:56,219 --> 00:02:57,930 have only seen them online. 42 00:02:58,305 --> 00:03:00,057 I want to see who they are behind the camera. 43 00:03:00,140 --> 00:03:03,268 Like I want to see how they actually live, because I feel like that's often 44 00:03:03,352 --> 00:03:07,481 the most revealing part of someone is not just what they deliberately present 45 00:03:07,564 --> 00:03:11,818 to the outside world, but how they behave when they think no one's watching. 46 00:03:15,614 --> 00:03:18,825 I was alone, I was far from home, 47 00:03:19,493 --> 00:03:22,204 and some of the stuff I had heard from the ex-members definitely frightened me, 48 00:03:22,287 --> 00:03:24,497 and I didn't know what they were capable of. 49 00:03:24,581 --> 00:03:27,292 So I did take some precautions. 50 00:03:27,376 --> 00:03:30,963 You know, did a location share on WhatsApp with my editor, 51 00:03:31,088 --> 00:03:35,175 as well as with my fiancé, just in case. [laughs] 52 00:03:41,682 --> 00:03:45,894 In five years, Jeff and Shaleia have moved from like crashing on people's couches 53 00:03:46,311 --> 00:03:48,855 to their own lakefront property 54 00:03:49,021 --> 00:03:52,025 in a semi-private community in northern Michigan. 55 00:03:56,780 --> 00:04:01,952 When I showed up at their house, it was really disorienting. 56 00:04:02,536 --> 00:04:04,454 I was like, "Oh my God, I'm actually here." 57 00:04:04,579 --> 00:04:08,125 [Shaleia] So this is, uh… the view. 58 00:04:08,208 --> 00:04:11,253 So the first thing you'll notice about our grass is it's got a lot of weeds in it, 59 00:04:11,336 --> 00:04:12,629 - [laughs] - [Shaleia] It's organic. 60 00:04:12,713 --> 00:04:15,549 [Jeff] Like our lawn guy kind of came with the house. 61 00:04:15,966 --> 00:04:19,636 He said that this is what it… this is what's best. 62 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:20,887 [laughing] So we believed him. 63 00:04:20,971 --> 00:04:22,806 - [Shaleia] Yeah, this is the pool. - [Jeff] This is the pool. 64 00:04:22,889 --> 00:04:25,475 We keep it very warm because we're not into cold water. 65 00:04:25,559 --> 00:04:29,021 - No, not into cold water at all. - [Alice] Nice. It's really pretty. 66 00:04:29,104 --> 00:04:34,192 I was nervous, and I hid it. I had watched so many hours of video of them, 67 00:04:34,276 --> 00:04:38,864 I feel like I knew them, but I had never seen them in person. 68 00:04:42,826 --> 00:04:47,622 [Shaleia] So this is where we shoot our sermons. We just got this up. 69 00:04:47,706 --> 00:04:51,168 I wasn't going to bring up anything super controversial when I was there 70 00:04:51,250 --> 00:04:55,047 just because I didn't want to piss them off like while I was in their house. 71 00:04:55,672 --> 00:04:57,924 - How many rooms are there down here? - [Shaleia] Two. 72 00:04:58,008 --> 00:04:59,134 [Alice] Two. Okay, got it. 73 00:04:59,217 --> 00:05:02,512 I was a sponge. I was there to absorb as much information 74 00:05:02,596 --> 00:05:04,639 as possible about the way Jeff and Shaleia live. 75 00:05:05,348 --> 00:05:08,810 [Jeff] Like, we're co-creating this home together. Let's go up this stairway, babe. 76 00:05:08,894 --> 00:05:11,271 - That's not the best… - [Shaleia] Oh, you're right. 77 00:05:11,354 --> 00:05:14,816 We're like still in the process of designing and selecting 78 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:16,401 because you have to like special order a table. 79 00:05:16,485 --> 00:05:18,945 [Alice] They were decorating, and they had just ordered 80 00:05:19,029 --> 00:05:24,659 these giant crystals, these amethysts that were like about that tall. 81 00:05:24,743 --> 00:05:25,702 There were two of them. 82 00:05:25,786 --> 00:05:29,706 In here, this is calcite that's growing in the amethyst. 83 00:05:29,790 --> 00:05:33,293 Shaleia was telling me that she actually like communes with them daily, 84 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:37,589 like she sits by the crystal and listens to what it's telling her. 85 00:05:37,672 --> 00:05:42,636 The crystal is literally sending her messages from the other side. 86 00:05:43,303 --> 00:05:47,724 And she also, through these messages, divined that one crystal 87 00:05:47,808 --> 00:05:50,268 is masculine and the other is feminine. 88 00:05:50,351 --> 00:05:53,438 So the crystals are gendered, which I think that says 89 00:05:53,563 --> 00:05:55,357 a lot about Shaleia's world view. 90 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,276 Hallway's unfinished. We'll have a wall of masters here. 91 00:05:58,485 --> 00:06:02,364 [Alice] I was creeped out for most of my time at Jeff and Shaleia's, 92 00:06:03,615 --> 00:06:05,909 but I really wanted to see them film a YouTube video. 93 00:06:05,992 --> 00:06:07,410 That's a big part of their influence. 94 00:06:07,994 --> 00:06:12,165 This is my new friend, Alice Hines. Don't worry, she's just my friend. 95 00:06:12,707 --> 00:06:15,836 She is not my new twin flame or anything like that. 96 00:06:15,919 --> 00:06:18,839 He insisted on me being in the YouTube video 97 00:06:18,922 --> 00:06:20,507 and kind of interviewing me. 98 00:06:20,590 --> 00:06:22,467 If you reader knew what you knew and know, 99 00:06:22,676 --> 00:06:24,970 do you think your reader would believe that twin flames are real? 100 00:06:25,262 --> 00:06:28,181 Yeah, I guess the honest answer is I'm not sure. 101 00:06:28,265 --> 00:06:29,182 I have to think about it. 102 00:06:29,266 --> 00:06:33,228 I knew that they were going to try to push me, like they were going to try 103 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,148 to use all their methods on me to get to the bottom 104 00:06:36,231 --> 00:06:38,859 of what my motivations were and why I was there. 105 00:06:39,442 --> 00:06:41,903 - I knew I had to be ready for that. - There's no one… 106 00:06:42,028 --> 00:06:45,323 - I've never met anyone like you. - Really? Why is that? 107 00:06:45,407 --> 00:06:47,576 [laughs] Well… Well, you're you, for one. 108 00:06:47,701 --> 00:06:52,372 I was kind of disarmed by his gaze, like he has really, 109 00:06:52,831 --> 00:06:57,335 like striking blue-green eyes, and will just stare at you. 110 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:03,967 I think those are two metaphors. 111 00:07:04,050 --> 00:07:07,637 And if you're a person who's insecure, or you were unsure of yourself, 112 00:07:07,721 --> 00:07:12,017 in the first place, that can be really manipulative. 113 00:07:12,142 --> 00:07:16,271 So it's all in the makings. Thanks so much for joining us. 114 00:07:16,354 --> 00:07:20,984 Thank you, Alice. We will… I'll see you more videos. 115 00:07:21,526 --> 00:07:23,778 - Thanks for having me. - [laughs] 116 00:07:26,698 --> 00:07:31,536 So I spent all day there Saturday, and I kind of like got into a rhythm, 117 00:07:32,329 --> 00:07:33,705 and I started to relax. 118 00:07:33,788 --> 00:07:35,999 - This is our beauty room. - We call it the beauty room, yes. 119 00:07:36,082 --> 00:07:39,252 - I got my makeup in here, and… - [Alice] It's very well organized. 120 00:07:39,502 --> 00:07:42,339 [Alice] Jeff and Shaleia like material possessions. 121 00:07:42,672 --> 00:07:44,090 - [Jeff] This is our music room right now. - [Alice] Pretty. 122 00:07:44,174 --> 00:07:45,258 [Jeff] We've got to build a garage. 123 00:07:45,383 --> 00:07:49,930 They're saying to be a spiritual leader also means to be wealthy. 124 00:07:50,013 --> 00:07:53,350 This is called "ground effects", it's a special package. 125 00:07:53,433 --> 00:07:56,144 And so this goes around, all around the outside of the car. 126 00:07:56,228 --> 00:07:57,979 Now, that's just an extra layer of detail. 127 00:07:58,355 --> 00:08:01,858 I wanted a car where I could feel like a fucking rock star going around. 128 00:08:02,567 --> 00:08:04,986 It means to be affluent. It's the prosperity gospel. 129 00:08:05,070 --> 00:08:08,198 [Jeff] I got my special glasses that I only wear in the Corvette. 130 00:08:08,281 --> 00:08:10,367 - [Alice] Seriously? - Yeah. This is just for the Corvette. 131 00:08:12,494 --> 00:08:14,204 - [Gabe] …old man. - [Jeff] And, uh… 132 00:08:14,746 --> 00:08:18,041 - [Shaleia] Come on down. - [Jeff] Okay, hi. 133 00:08:18,333 --> 00:08:21,628 So our household has a couple in quarantine right now. 134 00:08:22,462 --> 00:08:25,006 Things got even stranger when I went to the basement. 135 00:08:25,507 --> 00:08:29,177 They had a few students who were actually living in their house. 136 00:08:30,553 --> 00:08:32,389 That was when I met Gabe and Briana. 137 00:08:33,390 --> 00:08:37,519 I talked with them, and Gabe and Briana were living in one room together 138 00:08:37,601 --> 00:08:40,897 in Jeff and Shaleia's basement that was pretty crowded with stuff. 139 00:08:41,815 --> 00:08:44,985 Gabe recently came out as trans, 140 00:08:50,073 --> 00:08:55,829 and he had been guided into his identity as a trans man 141 00:08:56,162 --> 00:08:58,081 by one of Jeff and Shaleia's coaches. 142 00:09:03,044 --> 00:09:09,134 And then he had been paired into a twin flame relationship with Briana 143 00:09:09,592 --> 00:09:12,762 and Briana was like, "I'm straight. I like guys." 144 00:09:12,846 --> 00:09:15,432 And Jeff and Shaleia were like, "Well, he's going to be a guy." 145 00:09:15,807 --> 00:09:16,891 [laughs] 146 00:09:17,851 --> 00:09:21,104 Basically, it just seems like Gabe and Briana, 147 00:09:21,187 --> 00:09:24,691 as well as all of these other people, were providing free labor, 148 00:09:24,774 --> 00:09:26,276 like these people would cook and clean. 149 00:09:26,359 --> 00:09:28,403 They would eat meals with Jeff and Shaleia, 150 00:09:28,528 --> 00:09:33,199 and Jeff and Shaleia would kind of like provide off-the-cuff coaching. 151 00:09:34,409 --> 00:09:37,203 They called it the Spiritual Boot Camp program. 152 00:09:37,746 --> 00:09:39,831 That felt like a big red flag. 153 00:09:41,541 --> 00:09:44,669 The Twin Flames Universe community provides a lot of support 154 00:09:44,753 --> 00:09:48,548 and reinforcement and friendship, but it also is a mechanism of control. 155 00:09:51,176 --> 00:09:54,346 I left Jeff and Shaleia's house with lots of questions, 156 00:09:55,513 --> 00:10:00,018 particularly about the influence they have over people like Briana and Gabe. 157 00:10:05,774 --> 00:10:08,735 [Briana] Okay, I think we're live now. 158 00:10:08,818 --> 00:10:11,404 So we kind of started talking about this a little bit earlier, 159 00:10:11,529 --> 00:10:14,032 about how, you know, we've only been really attracted 160 00:10:14,115 --> 00:10:17,660 to men our whole lives, so it is a different experience. 161 00:10:17,744 --> 00:10:21,122 Briana and her partner had been asked to go to Michigan 162 00:10:21,206 --> 00:10:27,879 to be with Jeff and Shaleia, and to observe them in harmonious union. 163 00:10:34,052 --> 00:10:37,555 At this point, I cannot believe what's happening in my life. 164 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:42,519 I cannot believe this is my life now, dealing with this. 165 00:10:46,606 --> 00:10:51,653 She told me she worked like a dog. She was working and working constantly. 166 00:10:51,736 --> 00:10:55,198 She went there willingly. She paid to go there, which is crazy. 167 00:10:58,785 --> 00:11:03,790 Briana took on the more feminine, stereotypical roles 168 00:11:03,998 --> 00:11:05,125 of cooking and cleaning, 169 00:11:06,876 --> 00:11:11,756 and her partner was going to learn how to be more masculine. 170 00:11:15,343 --> 00:11:21,141 They showed Gabe power washing a house, chopping wood. 171 00:11:22,183 --> 00:11:26,020 [Lynn] Shortly after that, Briana was cutting his hair. 172 00:11:26,688 --> 00:11:29,065 He was wearing masculine clothes. 173 00:11:29,858 --> 00:11:32,277 They were teaching them how to be the roles 174 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,404 that they thought they should fulfill. 175 00:11:39,492 --> 00:11:43,663 I'm Jules Gill-Peterson. I'm a historian of sexuality and gender. 176 00:11:45,665 --> 00:11:49,669 I think I first saw references to twin flames just in media coverage, 177 00:11:49,752 --> 00:11:53,381 over the controversy over the organization in general, 178 00:11:53,673 --> 00:11:56,968 and then specifically the controversy over, you know, 179 00:11:57,051 --> 00:12:00,430 the accusations that they pressure people into transitioning. 180 00:12:01,598 --> 00:12:04,767 If people are being pressured to do things that they didn't ask for, 181 00:12:04,851 --> 00:12:07,562 and it's supposed to be a supportive therapeutic environment, 182 00:12:07,645 --> 00:12:10,565 I mean, yeah, that concerns me on its face. 183 00:12:10,648 --> 00:12:13,067 I just think it's, at minimum, unethical. 184 00:12:13,151 --> 00:12:17,071 But it just really makes you question like, well, what else… 185 00:12:17,155 --> 00:12:18,948 I mean, how far could that logic go? 186 00:12:22,494 --> 00:12:23,578 [Lynn] A month or so later, 187 00:12:23,661 --> 00:12:27,999 I got a text asking me if I supported her twin flame union. 188 00:12:31,085 --> 00:12:36,341 And that's when I said, "I love you unconditionally with all my heart, 189 00:12:36,424 --> 00:12:40,929 but I don't understand this union. Please help me to understand." 190 00:12:42,222 --> 00:12:45,808 And she said, "Well, that's really not good enough, Mom." 191 00:12:46,184 --> 00:12:48,520 And cut off communication. 192 00:12:51,648 --> 00:12:54,275 Nothing is gained by holding onto past disappointments. 193 00:12:54,359 --> 00:12:56,528 Just let it go and let yourself be free. 194 00:12:57,487 --> 00:12:58,988 I'm extremely upset. 195 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:05,161 I feel like my heart is ripped out because of all of the advice 196 00:13:05,703 --> 00:13:07,539 and coaching that they're getting from this, 197 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:10,583 that this organization is giving to my daughter. 198 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,045 [Cheryl] She didn't look happy. 199 00:13:15,171 --> 00:13:17,924 We know what Briana looks like when she's happy, 200 00:13:18,007 --> 00:13:19,551 and she just wasn't happy. 201 00:13:21,636 --> 00:13:26,391 And I called the police just to see, have they heard of any activities? 202 00:13:26,474 --> 00:13:29,769 Are they investigating? Because we are concerned about a relative. 203 00:13:30,645 --> 00:13:33,940 And they said that they had been investigating. 204 00:13:34,732 --> 00:13:38,903 I was hopeful that, "Okay, they know, this is going to go someplace." 205 00:13:40,822 --> 00:13:42,574 [tense music playing] 206 00:13:48,663 --> 00:13:50,665 - [detective] Hi, Jeff? How are you doing? - [Jeff] Yeah. 207 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:51,624 - Doing okay. - [instinct] 208 00:13:51,708 --> 00:13:53,333 - I'm sorry? - Farmington Hills Police Department. 209 00:13:53,418 --> 00:13:55,044 You mind if we come in and talk to you for a minute? 210 00:13:55,128 --> 00:13:57,130 [Jeff] Can we go somewhere else and talk? 211 00:13:58,256 --> 00:14:01,301 [detective] If you want, you want to come down in the police station? 212 00:14:01,551 --> 00:14:03,052 [Jeff] Not really. 213 00:14:03,136 --> 00:14:05,221 [detective] I mean, we just got to talk to you. 214 00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:11,144 [detective] People are claiming that you brainwash them… 215 00:14:11,227 --> 00:14:15,106 - [Jeff] Okay. - …to do work without being paid, 216 00:14:15,315 --> 00:14:17,650 to commit crimes… 217 00:14:17,734 --> 00:14:22,739 - [Jeff scoffs] That's absurd. - …by stalking their "twin flame", 218 00:14:23,072 --> 00:14:25,825 that you're tricking them into scamming them out of their money. 219 00:14:26,659 --> 00:14:29,454 [Jeff] How could I brainwash someone to do something against their will? 220 00:14:30,997 --> 00:14:35,418 [detective] All these calls come in that, you know, there is a cult. 221 00:14:35,793 --> 00:14:40,340 Why we take this serious is you look back at Waco, Texas, 222 00:14:40,465 --> 00:14:42,175 and some of these kind of cults, 223 00:14:42,258 --> 00:14:46,554 you know, where they convinced them, you know, to all drink cyanide 224 00:14:46,638 --> 00:14:47,847 - or whatever they did… - [Jeff] Right. 225 00:14:47,972 --> 00:14:50,683 …and we just want to make sure anything like that is not going on. 226 00:14:54,062 --> 00:14:56,689 [Alice] Jeff and Shaleia have a lot of enemies, 227 00:14:56,773 --> 00:15:00,610 in particular the family members of people who are still in the organization. 228 00:15:00,693 --> 00:15:06,449 And these people really want to see Jeff and Shaleia face legal consequences. 229 00:15:06,532 --> 00:15:10,161 The tricky part of that is that, you know, running an organization 230 00:15:10,244 --> 00:15:14,165 that a lot of people think is a cult is not actually illegal. 231 00:15:14,916 --> 00:15:17,543 [Jeff] Where is the illegal activity that you're alleging here? 232 00:15:17,627 --> 00:15:19,128 [detective] That's what we're trying to-- 233 00:15:19,212 --> 00:15:20,963 [Jeff] You're trying to find out if there's something illegal here? 234 00:15:21,047 --> 00:15:21,964 [detective] Correct. 235 00:15:22,048 --> 00:15:24,300 We understand that you're running a business, 236 00:15:24,384 --> 00:15:27,970 and if people buy and utilize your product, 237 00:15:29,555 --> 00:15:32,100 then that's up to them. 238 00:15:32,183 --> 00:15:35,895 [Jeff] Exactly, it's a product online that people can elect to purchase or not. 239 00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:36,896 [detective] Correct. 240 00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:39,232 [Jeff] And if there's a community associated with that product 241 00:15:39,315 --> 00:15:44,320 - that people can elect to be in or not. - [detective] Appreciate that. Thank you. 242 00:15:45,613 --> 00:15:47,699 [Jeff] Okay. Well, best of luck with your investigation. 243 00:15:47,782 --> 00:15:48,616 [detective] Thank you, sir. 244 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:50,618 [Jeff] Hopefully this can be wrapped up quickly. 245 00:15:50,868 --> 00:15:53,996 [Alice] A lot of the people who are in Twin Flames Universe are claiming 246 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,332 that they made these decisions themselves. 247 00:15:56,958 --> 00:16:00,169 But then if you look at the way that those decisions were made, 248 00:16:00,253 --> 00:16:02,880 Jeff and Shaleia are coercing people for months, 249 00:16:02,964 --> 00:16:06,008 if not years, and breaking down their sense of self, 250 00:16:06,092 --> 00:16:10,096 basically completely eroding their autonomy and their sense of reality. 251 00:16:10,179 --> 00:16:17,145 Today, we're going to talk about a much, much asked for and talked about topic. 252 00:16:17,478 --> 00:16:18,521 Yes. 253 00:16:18,604 --> 00:16:23,943 The divine masculine and the divine feminine twin flame energy. 254 00:16:24,026 --> 00:16:25,361 Superpower! 255 00:16:25,445 --> 00:16:28,781 Jeff and Shaleia teach that in every twin flame union 256 00:16:28,865 --> 00:16:31,576 is a divine feminine and a divine masculine. 257 00:16:31,701 --> 00:16:35,955 So if a twin flame couple is a single soul divided into two halves, 258 00:16:36,038 --> 00:16:39,751 there will always be a masculine, and there will always be a feminine. 259 00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:43,463 I spoke to several members who were pressured 260 00:16:43,546 --> 00:16:46,132 to change their pronouns and their gender identity 261 00:16:46,549 --> 00:16:48,885 under the guidance of Jeff and Shaleia and their coaches. 262 00:16:49,552 --> 00:16:52,305 These people had a really hard time. 263 00:16:53,723 --> 00:16:57,643 The public image of Twin Flames Universe is very interesting to me. 264 00:16:57,727 --> 00:17:03,775 On the surface, of course, there's all this kind of LGBT-accepting language. 265 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:08,321 You know, you can be any gender inside any body. 266 00:17:08,404 --> 00:17:11,491 You know, any pairing of people is okay visually, 267 00:17:11,574 --> 00:17:14,202 as long as it's divine feminine, divine masculine, right? 268 00:17:14,285 --> 00:17:16,912 It doesn't look like conventional conversion therapy 269 00:17:16,996 --> 00:17:20,123 because we're so used to Christian conversion therapy in particular 270 00:17:20,208 --> 00:17:23,002 using really anti-trans language. 271 00:17:23,084 --> 00:17:24,837 But that, you know, when you look at sort of the purpose 272 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,715 to which that's put, you know, I think it starts to look a lot 273 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:31,344 less progressive or just a lot less inviting. 274 00:17:31,427 --> 00:17:34,055 And so in that sense, it doesn't really matter to me 275 00:17:34,138 --> 00:17:37,767 what sort of progressive language or veneer is being put on this, 276 00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:41,145 that the sort of practice and the techniques 277 00:17:41,229 --> 00:17:46,901 and the endpoints that Jeff and Shaleia are employing are just part and parcel 278 00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:52,240 of that longstanding American conservative and Christian lineage. 279 00:17:53,324 --> 00:17:57,995 Welcome back to another juicy Twin Flame Ascension School class. 280 00:17:58,454 --> 00:18:02,792 Yay, today! Today is good. Today, I'd like to do some deep diving 281 00:18:02,875 --> 00:18:04,669 with Anne and Catrina, if they're available to do so. 282 00:18:05,545 --> 00:18:07,880 What's up, Anne and Catrina? How's your day going? 283 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,424 Hey, good. How are you guys? 284 00:18:10,508 --> 00:18:13,094 [Catrina] When I first got involved with Jeff and Shaleia, 285 00:18:13,177 --> 00:18:19,392 I really did think that at the heart of that group was compassion 286 00:18:19,934 --> 00:18:22,186 and love for others and for humanity. 287 00:18:23,563 --> 00:18:25,356 That's why I got involved, you know. 288 00:18:26,065 --> 00:18:27,733 I want to ask about some things, 289 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:31,404 some specific things, and they're going to be sensitive subjects. 290 00:18:31,821 --> 00:18:36,868 And so I want respect everyone in encountering this sort of topic, 291 00:18:37,326 --> 00:18:39,787 so that everyone can feel at peace and at ease 292 00:18:39,871 --> 00:18:41,789 and not pressured about this subject 293 00:18:42,665 --> 00:18:45,585 because it can be very sensitive for people and understandably so. 294 00:18:45,668 --> 00:18:48,045 - Mm. - Okay. 295 00:18:48,588 --> 00:18:51,007 So are you comfortable with everything I just said, guys? 296 00:18:51,215 --> 00:18:53,259 [Catrina] Yes. I'm comfortable with what you said. 297 00:18:53,342 --> 00:18:55,928 Okay, good. So I want to ask Catrina first. 298 00:18:56,637 --> 00:19:01,225 Catrina, what is it like to be with a divine masculine in a woman's body? 299 00:19:01,976 --> 00:19:05,813 We understood, you know, kind of how they were using 300 00:19:05,897 --> 00:19:11,235 divine feminine and divine masculine, and at first, it didn't rub us the wrong way. 301 00:19:12,153 --> 00:19:16,032 But then we started to realize they were getting really literal with it. 302 00:19:16,115 --> 00:19:18,326 You love Anne completely, physically? 303 00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:22,788 Yeah, I love Anne's physical form completely, everything that Anne is. 304 00:19:23,414 --> 00:19:26,334 My level of attraction doesn't change 305 00:19:26,417 --> 00:19:30,713 based on the way Anne expresses gender at all. 306 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,926 Okay, how do you feel about having such a feminine name, 307 00:19:36,052 --> 00:19:38,721 being called such a feminine name as Anne? 308 00:19:38,804 --> 00:19:45,811 That's how I've always, I guess, labeled myself and referred to myself, so… 309 00:19:45,895 --> 00:19:48,981 Why would you keep a name that's so obviously feminine? 310 00:19:55,738 --> 00:19:58,491 I don't know. I haven't really thought about it. 311 00:19:58,574 --> 00:20:00,117 [Jeff] What about Dan? 312 00:20:01,494 --> 00:20:05,873 [Anne] I didn't have any interest in becoming a man. 313 00:20:06,707 --> 00:20:09,418 This is me. I'm a Anne, I'm a she. 314 00:20:10,461 --> 00:20:14,423 When that wasn't respected, it did feel like a sense of betrayal. 315 00:20:15,633 --> 00:20:17,176 What doesn't feel good about the name Dan? 316 00:20:19,428 --> 00:20:21,305 I don't know. It just doesn't resonate. 317 00:20:25,643 --> 00:20:27,770 - [laughs] - Jesus Christ. 318 00:20:27,853 --> 00:20:29,605 You're playing in avoidance game, 319 00:20:31,524 --> 00:20:34,652 and it's the avoidance game that prevents you from moving forward here. 320 00:20:35,653 --> 00:20:38,406 Just let the name be. 321 00:20:38,656 --> 00:20:43,869 And he just kept on and on and on until the very end. 322 00:20:43,953 --> 00:20:46,247 And I mean, I think we both just completely broke, 323 00:20:46,330 --> 00:20:48,916 and just agreed like, "Fine, we'll do it." 324 00:20:51,377 --> 00:20:53,796 - I would consider that name. - [Jeff] Boom! 325 00:20:53,879 --> 00:20:56,424 - Mm. Yeah. - There. 326 00:20:56,507 --> 00:20:58,926 I just wanted it to be over. 327 00:20:59,010 --> 00:21:00,219 - Thanks. - Yeah. 328 00:21:00,302 --> 00:21:04,140 Anne the man and Catrina, it's been a lovely class with you guys. 329 00:21:04,223 --> 00:21:05,474 Very good. Thank you. 330 00:21:05,558 --> 00:21:10,855 He needed Anne to agree to that publicly, so that he could go turn to what was like 331 00:21:10,938 --> 00:21:14,859 a 95% female community and say, "Okay. 332 00:21:14,984 --> 00:21:17,820 Now, you're the guy and you're the girl, and you're the guy and you're the girl, 333 00:21:17,903 --> 00:21:20,406 and you're the guy and you're the girl, and that's your twin flame. 334 00:21:20,489 --> 00:21:21,991 And now you're all pairs." 335 00:21:30,291 --> 00:21:33,794 He sent messages, private messages to me asking, you know, 336 00:21:33,878 --> 00:21:37,715 "Why hasn't your man accepted the name I have given him yet?" 337 00:21:45,639 --> 00:21:51,228 He had so much power over the group, and he had a lot of power over our, 338 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,566 you know, well-being as well, because we knew what was going to happen 339 00:21:55,649 --> 00:21:56,942 if she didn't agree. 340 00:21:57,401 --> 00:22:00,071 - Here we are in class again. - Yeah. 341 00:22:00,154 --> 00:22:03,449 For a call last week, we talked to Anne the man and Catrina. 342 00:22:03,532 --> 00:22:05,242 Let's check in with them again if they're available. 343 00:22:05,326 --> 00:22:08,871 [Anne] I was very stressed by it, doubly stressed 344 00:22:08,954 --> 00:22:15,961 because our whole business and livelihood was tied to them. 345 00:22:16,837 --> 00:22:21,509 Don't you look upon me, Anne the man, and say, "Man, I love how he is. 346 00:22:21,592 --> 00:22:23,094 I want to be more like that." 347 00:22:23,803 --> 00:22:28,849 It's not a good deal. It's time to make a new choice to be a man. 348 00:22:31,060 --> 00:22:32,728 [Arcelia] What the fuck they did to Anne, 349 00:22:33,646 --> 00:22:36,982 making her feel like she needs to be a man to be herself. 350 00:22:37,066 --> 00:22:41,487 It boiled my blood. Let her just be herself. 351 00:22:42,196 --> 00:22:43,364 Let her be her fucking self. 352 00:22:43,781 --> 00:22:47,952 Dan and Catrina. Mr. Dan. Except I call you Dan and Mr… 353 00:22:49,578 --> 00:22:53,582 - Well, I don't like the name, Dan. - Don't like Dan? It's a perfect name. 354 00:22:53,666 --> 00:22:59,171 Anne had no intention of ever transitioning genders in any capacity. 355 00:22:59,255 --> 00:23:01,298 But he just kept pressing in. 356 00:23:01,382 --> 00:23:03,050 Do you believe me when I say you're a man inside? 357 00:23:04,343 --> 00:23:07,096 I have to be willing to… 358 00:23:07,179 --> 00:23:09,723 This is very political. Do you believe me or not? 359 00:23:09,807 --> 00:23:12,893 I say that you're a man inside. How does that feel? 360 00:23:12,977 --> 00:23:18,357 It feels like you're talking about something that's an outer reality 361 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,278 - and putting it inside. - You're pissed off right now. 362 00:23:22,361 --> 00:23:25,030 And you're going away from that anger, and it's not serving you. 363 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:28,951 I know a pissed off man when I see one, that's you. 364 00:23:29,618 --> 00:23:34,290 There was a really big display of power there, trying to get us to submit. 365 00:23:34,790 --> 00:23:40,087 And it was very tactical. It was very abusive. 366 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:51,432 We were the one couple who they needed to be all in. 367 00:23:52,683 --> 00:23:57,146 So that was a real threat for them, for their community to witness. 368 00:23:59,356 --> 00:24:02,151 Jeff being unsuccessful at control. 369 00:24:08,073 --> 00:24:10,159 They accused us of abusing people. 370 00:24:10,242 --> 00:24:13,871 They told people to go and file chargebacks on our account. 371 00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:18,876 I felt so bad for them. I was like, "Wow." 372 00:24:18,959 --> 00:24:22,463 I mean, they could literally just be like, "I hate you, I hate you, I hate you." 373 00:24:22,546 --> 00:24:24,048 And you're like… [gasps] 374 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,513 He could tell that we ultimately weren't people that would submit. 375 00:24:34,391 --> 00:24:38,854 We had done all of this work and all of this personal growth 376 00:24:38,938 --> 00:24:45,819 and mustered up all this courage to be out as lesbian women. 377 00:24:46,153 --> 00:24:48,239 And they cut us out of the group. 378 00:24:54,787 --> 00:24:57,831 We shut our business down overnight. 379 00:25:01,752 --> 00:25:04,797 It happened so quickly, and we didn't have any footing under us. 380 00:25:05,965 --> 00:25:10,010 All I was left with was just kind of this terror of being 381 00:25:10,094 --> 00:25:15,975 really disconnected with who I am and not knowing how to move forward. 382 00:25:17,726 --> 00:25:20,688 Makes me feel sick just to think about how it felt. 383 00:25:25,317 --> 00:25:28,654 People deserve better than that. You know? 384 00:25:30,698 --> 00:25:34,910 Anne, there's no like, "I have to become that." 385 00:25:35,995 --> 00:25:38,205 The truth is, you already are that. 386 00:25:38,289 --> 00:25:42,167 They were doing the same thing that they did to them to me. 387 00:25:42,251 --> 00:25:46,005 They were encouraging me to change genders because of how masculine I was. 388 00:25:46,755 --> 00:25:49,300 I was like, "No, I don't want to do that." 389 00:25:49,383 --> 00:25:51,260 And they kept pushing and pushing, and I was like, 390 00:25:51,343 --> 00:25:53,387 "No, I don't want to be a man." 391 00:25:54,430 --> 00:25:57,933 I say that you're a man inside. How does that feel? 392 00:25:58,017 --> 00:25:59,393 It feels like you're talking about something… 393 00:25:59,476 --> 00:26:02,771 Where are people even getting this idea from in the first place? 394 00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:05,399 Except, you know, this deep, deep, deep need 395 00:26:05,482 --> 00:26:10,487 to ensure that at the end of the day, textbook, on paper, technically, 396 00:26:10,612 --> 00:26:16,660 we've achieved heterosexuality, right, that is just like, oh, so gross. Yeah. 397 00:26:21,707 --> 00:26:25,461 [Alice] While I was reporting this story, I got emails from people 398 00:26:25,544 --> 00:26:27,629 who were in Twin Flames Universe. 399 00:26:28,422 --> 00:26:31,050 Some of them changed their gender identity 400 00:26:31,133 --> 00:26:35,387 and appear to be living with that new gender identity 401 00:26:35,471 --> 00:26:37,556 and living happily with it. 402 00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:40,059 I'm gonna turn on the camera and talk to you guys a little bit. 403 00:26:40,142 --> 00:26:44,146 And a few others experienced a lot of dysphoria. 404 00:26:45,439 --> 00:26:49,068 The root issue is just that there is a context in which 405 00:26:49,151 --> 00:26:53,572 you know, someone is claiming "I can see who someone really is," 406 00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:56,158 and that's just a root structure of harm 407 00:26:56,241 --> 00:26:59,411 that trans people have faced for an incredibly long time. 408 00:26:59,495 --> 00:27:01,789 We can't peer into people and know who they are. 409 00:27:01,872 --> 00:27:03,082 There's just no way to do that. 410 00:27:05,376 --> 00:27:09,588 I decided to do a follow up interview over Zoom with Jeff and Shaleia. 411 00:27:09,671 --> 00:27:13,467 I was eager to confront them about the issue of gender identity coercion. 412 00:27:13,550 --> 00:27:16,053 I just wanted to fact check some stuff. 413 00:27:16,136 --> 00:27:19,556 Coercing people to change their gender, would you say that you do that? 414 00:27:20,224 --> 00:27:24,061 Absolutely and unequivocally not. Not once, not ever. 415 00:27:24,686 --> 00:27:26,897 - Nor will it ever happen. - Okay, great. 416 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:31,443 And those who say that it did happen are lying about the reality 417 00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:34,488 and the true context of what was being communicated. 418 00:27:34,571 --> 00:27:36,782 - Mm. - They are misleading you. 419 00:27:36,865 --> 00:27:39,076 - You are being misled, Alice. - Okay. 420 00:27:39,159 --> 00:27:43,247 I have like, you know, things that I've watched myself, or of you myself 421 00:27:43,330 --> 00:27:46,834 that point me to a particular interpretation, and this message to Anne 422 00:27:46,917 --> 00:27:50,212 sure looks like you do tell people to change things about themselves. 423 00:27:50,546 --> 00:27:52,172 Okay. Well, I don't. 424 00:27:53,257 --> 00:27:56,677 Well, Anne definitely tried to tell you guys that she wasn't comfortable 425 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,387 taking a guy's name and pronouns, 426 00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:01,056 - and you shut it down. - That's not true. That's not true. 427 00:28:01,765 --> 00:28:04,017 - She said that… - If you watched the same video. 428 00:28:04,101 --> 00:28:05,978 - Yes, that's what she said. - That's my take. 429 00:28:06,061 --> 00:28:10,482 Didn't care, okay, fine. Take whatever, whatever take you want to take. 430 00:28:10,566 --> 00:28:12,067 That's not the truth. 431 00:28:12,234 --> 00:28:15,946 The truth is Twin Flames Universe members have socially transitioned 432 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,115 under the guidance of Jeff and Shaleia. 433 00:28:18,615 --> 00:28:20,117 I'm not evil. 434 00:28:24,329 --> 00:28:28,625 I hope that if someone looks carefully at us, 435 00:28:28,709 --> 00:28:34,006 I hope they find, as I have found, unconditional love 436 00:28:34,673 --> 00:28:37,009 is at the root of everything that we do. 437 00:28:44,516 --> 00:28:48,020 [Jeff] Obviously, we're not having sex on camera. 438 00:28:48,103 --> 00:28:50,689 [Alice] By now, I was convinced that this was a cult, 439 00:28:50,814 --> 00:28:53,442 but I wasn't sure who the driving force behind it was. 440 00:28:54,067 --> 00:28:59,615 Jeff is the person who talks more, both in the videos and in person. 441 00:28:59,698 --> 00:29:03,285 Shaleia, you want to talk about spiritual things 442 00:29:03,702 --> 00:29:05,996 and help people fall in love? 443 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:07,998 - Oh, yeah, I do. - Shaleia is quieter, 444 00:29:08,081 --> 00:29:12,753 but I also think that she is kind of the spiritual force of the organization. 445 00:29:12,836 --> 00:29:17,132 So let's focus in on our heart center while we're "Om"-ing. 446 00:29:17,549 --> 00:29:22,638 If you can't "Om" out loud with Jeff and I, please "Om" mentally in your head. 447 00:29:24,681 --> 00:29:28,519 - [bell rings] - [meditative vocalizing] 448 00:29:28,602 --> 00:29:33,774 Shaleia is the one who is more up on the theology of twin flames, 449 00:29:34,191 --> 00:29:37,402 she's definitely complicit in the abuse that's happening. 450 00:29:37,528 --> 00:29:41,823 Is she driving it, and how much is she driving? I don't actually know. 451 00:29:45,327 --> 00:29:48,997 [Michelle] After being apart for almost 20 years, 452 00:29:49,873 --> 00:29:56,338 it's strange because it's… It feels like she's a different person. 453 00:29:59,716 --> 00:30:06,014 I can't imagine her conniving and thinking up this… 454 00:30:07,891 --> 00:30:11,436 …you know, plan to take people's money from them. 455 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,647 And it makes me wonder what the heck happened? 456 00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:15,274 Like, what happened to her? 457 00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:24,700 I hope that she is happy, and I hope that she is in a loving relationship. 458 00:30:27,995 --> 00:30:34,042 But for someone to have changed so much, I do wonder if… 459 00:30:35,377 --> 00:30:40,966 …something has influenced her and maybe continues to influence her. 460 00:30:43,552 --> 00:30:46,138 It's easier for me to imagine her as a victim 461 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:50,475 than as someone who would do something unkind. 462 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:04,823 Some people felt that Megan was victim number one, and I reject that. 463 00:31:04,906 --> 00:31:09,494 Megan was a complicit participant. She was not a victim. 464 00:31:10,787 --> 00:31:13,206 I say that because I know Megan well enough. 465 00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:16,793 I've seen numerous examples with me, with her family. 466 00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:20,922 She may play submissive, but that isn't happening behind the camera. 467 00:31:21,006 --> 00:31:24,176 No, she participated willingly for all of this. 468 00:31:25,552 --> 00:31:29,723 Megan had the vision and the twin flames idea, 469 00:31:30,349 --> 00:31:34,645 and Jeff was the guy that knew how to set a camera, set businesses up. 470 00:31:34,811 --> 00:31:37,522 And so it was a perfect combination. 471 00:31:39,858 --> 00:31:43,779 The last time I heard from her is we got a letter probably about four years ago, 472 00:31:44,363 --> 00:31:49,451 and it was a diatribe of hatred. 473 00:31:50,452 --> 00:31:52,412 When she cuts the world off, 474 00:31:52,496 --> 00:31:56,750 she does it with a finality and an almost brutal-ness. 475 00:31:57,167 --> 00:31:59,086 It's a very painful thing. 476 00:32:03,048 --> 00:32:08,720 The person that I refer to as Megan, I treat her like she's dead. 477 00:32:08,804 --> 00:32:13,517 I have to, because the person that she's become, this Shaleia person, 478 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,604 is alien to me, and I have no respect for her. 479 00:32:17,688 --> 00:32:21,149 There's only so much heartache you can take as a father. 480 00:32:21,233 --> 00:32:25,529 I have to treat her as dead because I can't live with what she's doing. 481 00:32:30,075 --> 00:32:33,495 But I miss the Megan that I raised. 482 00:32:38,709 --> 00:32:41,753 And I don't know if it'll ever come back. [sniffles] 483 00:32:41,837 --> 00:32:46,007 I hope it does, but I love her and I miss her. 484 00:32:47,175 --> 00:32:51,471 But I can't abide what she's doing, and I can't just forget it. 485 00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:58,478 But I hope that she apologizes and makes amends to the people that she's hurt. 486 00:33:03,442 --> 00:33:04,943 That's all I got. 487 00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:15,954 [Alice] Jeff and Shaleia do not live in reality. 488 00:33:17,873 --> 00:33:22,419 They have their property where they barely leave. 489 00:33:23,128 --> 00:33:25,839 They're surrounded by people who worship them. 490 00:33:26,047 --> 00:33:29,760 They don't encounter the outside world. They don't see their families. 491 00:33:29,843 --> 00:33:34,848 Jeff has a sister who has been trying to get in touch with him, but without luck. 492 00:33:34,931 --> 00:33:37,726 They are in like their own bubble. 493 00:33:40,395 --> 00:33:42,481 I think that's part of the reason why 494 00:33:42,564 --> 00:33:45,567 they thought that my article was going to like 495 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:48,069 be this really awesome thing for them and make them famous 496 00:33:48,153 --> 00:33:50,697 because they think they're the master Christ, right? 497 00:33:50,781 --> 00:33:57,204 So like who, but an adoring, positive journalist would ever be 498 00:33:57,287 --> 00:34:01,249 sent to them by the universe, right? They really believe that. 499 00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:30,153 After my article came out, Jeff sent me this email. 500 00:34:30,237 --> 00:34:33,114 He said, "You must be going through a lot right now 501 00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:36,201 because we know what was published was not worthy of you. 502 00:34:36,284 --> 00:34:38,370 We believe that the authorities at Vanity Fair 503 00:34:38,452 --> 00:34:40,789 felt threatened by who and what you discovered. 504 00:34:40,872 --> 00:34:42,666 But we know you know the truth. 505 00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:45,210 We believe you were given a choice to follow your boss's direction… 506 00:34:45,293 --> 00:34:47,711 - …feel like someone unworthy of love… - …and essentially destroy… 507 00:34:47,796 --> 00:34:50,048 - …your status, your education… - …your mind is fragmented by fear…" 508 00:34:50,131 --> 00:34:52,925 Basically, he's saying that I was forced into publishing my article, 509 00:34:53,009 --> 00:34:59,099 which is definitely not true, I mean… I mean, it goes on. It's a long email. 510 00:35:00,225 --> 00:35:06,857 After this email, they published this 7000-word article, 511 00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:09,484 trashing me, trashing the media. 512 00:35:11,152 --> 00:35:14,114 They were very upset. They claimed to have been deceived, 513 00:35:14,197 --> 00:35:15,574 which is just not true. 514 00:35:15,657 --> 00:35:17,450 Like they knew from the beginning that I was going 515 00:35:17,534 --> 00:35:19,619 to be looking into the claims that they were a cult. 516 00:35:20,954 --> 00:35:25,375 But then I learned that a couple dozen members left the organization 517 00:35:25,458 --> 00:35:26,877 after my article came out. 518 00:35:30,088 --> 00:35:32,632 You know, people were leaving, I was leaving. 519 00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:38,889 When I saw that members that I looked up to were leaving the group, 520 00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:46,396 talking about their negative experiences with Jeff and Shaleia and the group, 521 00:35:46,479 --> 00:35:48,481 Then it started to open my eyes like, okay, 522 00:35:48,565 --> 00:35:51,026 these people were so connected to them. 523 00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:54,404 They left. Like, there has to be something wrong. 524 00:35:57,949 --> 00:36:01,995 Those who have taken advantage of me are not happy 525 00:36:02,078 --> 00:36:03,705 with their relationship with God. 526 00:36:03,788 --> 00:36:05,415 - It's like you took my shit and said… - [Shaleia] Yeah, really inappropriate. 527 00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:08,043 "This is you. Look at me, Look at me, Look what I've done." 528 00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:12,422 And it's not you who's done it. It's me. You're my student. 529 00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:14,549 You do not school me. 530 00:36:14,633 --> 00:36:16,259 And you should shut the fuck up and listen. 531 00:36:16,343 --> 00:36:19,304 I got booted out of the group on Facebook 532 00:36:19,387 --> 00:36:21,556 because I said something back to Jeff, and he didn't like it. 533 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,937 They were making serious money off of our trauma, and that's sick. 534 00:36:32,359 --> 00:36:35,111 Why am I in this community that isn't helping me 535 00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:37,364 with what I came here to get help with? 536 00:36:37,447 --> 00:36:40,700 Once I left TFU in September, I wanted nothing to do with it. 537 00:36:41,117 --> 00:36:43,703 Literally wanted nothing to do with any of that shit. 538 00:36:44,162 --> 00:36:47,082 I know what the fuck I'm talking about. 539 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:53,213 And if you don't think that, fuck off, bye. 540 00:37:02,055 --> 00:37:06,226 [Eric] I haven't talked to them at all since October 1st, 2015, 541 00:37:06,309 --> 00:37:09,437 since they moved out of the house we were living in together, 542 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:15,860 and at that point, I mean, it was a hard door slam on their part, right? 543 00:37:15,944 --> 00:37:19,531 It was removed from me. 544 00:37:19,614 --> 00:37:22,826 All of my close friends, everyone that was really connected to them 545 00:37:23,743 --> 00:37:30,291 from Jeff's past life, it was cold turkey, completely cut off. 546 00:37:32,085 --> 00:37:35,338 Removed and blocked on social media, everything like that. 547 00:37:36,256 --> 00:37:39,759 So I have to imagine there's no chance that any phone call 548 00:37:39,843 --> 00:37:41,219 is going to be received at all. 549 00:37:43,013 --> 00:37:44,472 But you never know. 550 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,894 [automated voice] Your call has been forwarded 551 00:37:49,978 --> 00:37:52,230 to an automated voice messaging system. 552 00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:55,358 At the tone, please record your message. When you've finished recording, 553 00:37:55,442 --> 00:37:58,069 you may hang up or press one for more options. 554 00:38:01,156 --> 00:38:03,241 Hey… 555 00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:11,833 If… I don't know if this is Jeff's number or not. 556 00:38:12,625 --> 00:38:13,960 It's, um… 557 00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:18,298 This is Eric. 558 00:38:22,552 --> 00:38:28,141 I don't know for sure where you're at or exactly what you're doing. 559 00:38:31,186 --> 00:38:34,981 I miss the… I miss the Jeff that I knew. 560 00:38:36,149 --> 00:38:41,446 I have no clue if you're still in there somewhere. 561 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,745 But if you do, I miss you, man. 562 00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:55,877 And I hope I get to see you again somehow. 563 00:38:56,878 --> 00:38:58,338 The old Jeff. 564 00:39:01,049 --> 00:39:02,550 I miss you, man. 565 00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:20,652 [Eric] I have accepted that there is no getting the old Jeff back. 566 00:39:21,194 --> 00:39:23,488 He's gone. He's not that person anymore. 567 00:39:24,572 --> 00:39:26,116 There's still some part of me that 568 00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:30,829 treasures the memory that we did have. 569 00:39:32,831 --> 00:39:36,626 He was my best friend for years and years and years and years. 570 00:39:36,709 --> 00:39:38,837 And I love those memories. 571 00:39:50,098 --> 00:39:55,895 So it's completely natural if you're finding yourself crying a lot, 572 00:39:57,856 --> 00:39:59,983 or just releasing a lot of old patterns. 573 00:40:01,609 --> 00:40:06,072 I persisted with Briana, and I would send her periodically, texts, 574 00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:08,324 emails, pictures from home. 575 00:40:13,913 --> 00:40:19,752 I didn't get a response until February of 2021. 576 00:40:20,962 --> 00:40:24,507 I got a call from her saying she was very unhappy. 577 00:40:26,426 --> 00:40:27,927 She wanted to come home. 578 00:40:29,345 --> 00:40:33,600 I was, of course, shocked. She said, "I don't want my partner to know. 579 00:40:34,184 --> 00:40:39,063 I just want to come home. I'm bringing my puppy. I'm not doing well." 580 00:40:39,147 --> 00:40:44,277 I said, "Fine, book the first ticket, I will get you." 581 00:40:45,737 --> 00:40:48,740 I went to the airport, picked her up. Within a few days, she was home. 582 00:40:50,116 --> 00:40:53,828 But she was even in a worse state of mind than I had never seen her. 583 00:40:54,954 --> 00:40:58,583 [Lisa] We're outside by the fire pit, and she came with her dog. 584 00:40:58,666 --> 00:41:04,172 And we were talking, and she kept crying. And Cheryl said, "Bri, are you okay? 585 00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:07,634 Let me give you a hug." I remember Cheryl getting up and hugging her. 586 00:41:09,302 --> 00:41:11,763 If you can provide the love and support 587 00:41:11,846 --> 00:41:14,599 for the person going through this, that's the most important thing, 588 00:41:14,682 --> 00:41:16,935 is just to have continuous love and support. 589 00:41:17,018 --> 00:41:18,645 And that's what we do. 590 00:41:21,397 --> 00:41:24,234 I know she's starting to think for herself. 591 00:41:24,692 --> 00:41:27,320 I can see it. I see little sparks here and there. 592 00:41:28,696 --> 00:41:32,242 I'm very hopeful that she's going to get out of it. 593 00:41:34,786 --> 00:41:37,997 It won't be easy because how do you get someone out 594 00:41:38,081 --> 00:41:43,002 of an organization like that, that's controlling your mind, 595 00:41:43,086 --> 00:41:45,672 and you're allowing them to do it? I don't know. 596 00:41:49,008 --> 00:41:53,846 I pray for justice and for the truth to be revealed, 597 00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:58,059 and people will be aware of what's happening 598 00:41:58,184 --> 00:42:00,728 within the Twin Flames organization. 599 00:42:07,777 --> 00:42:09,279 She'll get back again. 600 00:42:10,071 --> 00:42:14,867 I'm hopeful. We're gonna get there. 601 00:42:25,253 --> 00:42:26,337 Oh, look at that one. 602 00:42:26,462 --> 00:42:28,798 Yeah, I know. That's one of my favorites. 603 00:42:30,216 --> 00:42:35,972 I just remember thinking we had worked for that day for so long, 604 00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:38,266 and we had to do so many hard things. 605 00:42:38,683 --> 00:42:42,270 But our wedding day, it was the perfect 606 00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:47,442 way to celebrate everything that we had become 607 00:42:47,859 --> 00:42:52,530 and that we were able to do together. I just had this sense of victory. 608 00:42:53,364 --> 00:42:58,911 I hope that telling my story in this way helps me 609 00:43:01,247 --> 00:43:02,790 let go of it forever. 610 00:43:02,874 --> 00:43:08,504 Let go of this experience and just walk away with myself 611 00:43:08,588 --> 00:43:11,049 and my relationship with Anne. 612 00:43:12,425 --> 00:43:16,763 Catrina proposed to me. Of course, I was going to say yes. 613 00:43:19,557 --> 00:43:23,102 We have overcome unthinkable things together. 614 00:43:23,186 --> 00:43:25,563 And this is just another thing that we overcame. 615 00:43:26,064 --> 00:43:27,648 And now, kiss your bride. 616 00:43:27,732 --> 00:43:30,485 [claps and cheers] 617 00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:36,324 It's given me a lot of evidence of the strength and resilience and permanence 618 00:43:36,407 --> 00:43:37,909 of our relationship. 619 00:43:38,242 --> 00:43:40,870 I think that we have a beautiful love story. 620 00:43:40,953 --> 00:43:42,955 We are a success story for love. 621 00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,250 I think the best that I know, in fact, you know, 622 00:43:46,542 --> 00:43:50,630 that's what we wanted all along, to show people that it's possible 623 00:43:50,713 --> 00:43:55,802 to be your whole self, and that it's possible to create 624 00:43:56,511 --> 00:43:59,806 a love experience with someone where they are their whole self. 625 00:43:59,889 --> 00:44:02,850 And you can both just be who you are exactly. 626 00:44:06,646 --> 00:44:12,527 All right, let's take a deep breath in, let's focus in on our heart chakra. 627 00:44:13,694 --> 00:44:18,491 - [bell rings] - [meditative vocalizing] 628 00:44:25,623 --> 00:44:29,335 It's never appropriate to call it quits on your twin flame journey 629 00:44:29,544 --> 00:44:31,003 unless you're a quitter. 630 00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:33,798 Go right ahead. Go be my guest. 631 00:44:35,425 --> 00:44:38,052 In 2016, when they first started their Facebook group, 632 00:44:38,136 --> 00:44:41,597 and Shaleia was adding people, I think they had about 70 members. 633 00:44:41,889 --> 00:44:45,435 When I was writing my article in 2020, it was 14,000 members. 634 00:44:45,518 --> 00:44:48,396 And today, they have almost 40,000 members. 635 00:44:49,856 --> 00:44:53,401 They're not like over posting and oversharing as they used to be. 636 00:44:53,484 --> 00:44:57,572 There are a lot more careful, but they continue to manipulate people's 637 00:44:57,655 --> 00:45:01,159 conception of their gender identity and sexual orientation, 638 00:45:01,284 --> 00:45:04,120 and people continue to join the organization. 639 00:45:05,204 --> 00:45:06,914 There's new members joining all the time. 640 00:45:07,373 --> 00:45:09,625 Welcome back to the channel, my name is Gabriel. 641 00:45:09,709 --> 00:45:11,002 And today we're going to talk about… 642 00:45:11,169 --> 00:45:16,299 Regardless of what the truth might be for Gabe, which we don't know, 643 00:45:16,382 --> 00:45:22,305 I feel 100% confident saying that the techniques that Twin Flames Universe 644 00:45:22,388 --> 00:45:28,644 uses to determine people's, for lack of a better phrase, gender identity, 645 00:45:28,936 --> 00:45:33,566 are fallacious, aren't real, don't have any evidence behind them. 646 00:45:33,649 --> 00:45:36,736 …guide you there, and I will see you all in the next video. 647 00:45:37,487 --> 00:45:41,073 [Lorraine] Twin Flames has been able to create like 648 00:45:41,949 --> 00:45:46,037 international status because this is an international pandemic, 649 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,747 this feeling of loneliness. 650 00:45:47,830 --> 00:45:51,501 We don't know where we belong, and we don't know how to rectify that. 651 00:45:51,584 --> 00:45:53,085 That's why people seek religion. 652 00:45:53,169 --> 00:45:56,881 That's why people seek anything, you know, because it gives you an answer. 653 00:45:58,758 --> 00:46:01,719 Spirituality is a great business because you don't need any credentials, 654 00:46:01,802 --> 00:46:06,849 because institutionalized religions are on the decline in the United States, 655 00:46:06,933 --> 00:46:09,268 and people need some type of meaning in their life. 656 00:46:09,352 --> 00:46:14,941 So they want answers from something that feels transcendent. 657 00:46:15,024 --> 00:46:17,360 And Jeff and Shaleia say that they have that. 658 00:46:18,569 --> 00:46:22,365 They use vulnerabilities and the insecurities that exist in the world, 659 00:46:22,448 --> 00:46:26,953 and they funneled it as a vehicle to make a lot of money 660 00:46:27,036 --> 00:46:31,374 and to create a lot of trauma for a huge amount of people. 661 00:46:32,041 --> 00:46:34,961 I hope that this whole thing can just dissolve, 662 00:46:35,086 --> 00:46:37,338 like their whole entire community can dissolve, 663 00:46:37,421 --> 00:46:43,261 and their business and their hopes of having a following can just die. 664 00:46:43,344 --> 00:46:46,639 That would be ideal. Yeah.