1 00:00:15,724 --> 00:00:22,275 Mother and Father came to me specifically and said, "Please, please." 2 00:00:23,275 --> 00:00:25,965 There was no one else that could've handled it. 3 00:00:27,172 --> 00:00:31,689 I mean, they said, please do not do not desert them. 4 00:00:31,689 --> 00:00:35,689 And what I have seen is that everyone else in my family, 5 00:00:35,689 --> 00:00:36,586 has deserted them. 6 00:00:36,586 --> 00:00:38,689 Maybe that was too big of a chore. 7 00:00:39,172 --> 00:00:41,172 No, it's absolutely not. 8 00:00:41,793 --> 00:00:44,413 I never thought I would be 9 00:00:44,413 --> 00:00:47,379 doing this by myself without you guys. 10 00:00:47,379 --> 00:00:50,689 I never in a million years thought 11 00:00:50,689 --> 00:00:53,896 that my siblings would not be by my side. 12 00:01:04,586 --> 00:01:07,000 Where schizophrenia is diagnosed 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,310 between age 17 and 24... 14 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:11,689 It's a tragic story, 15 00:01:11,689 --> 00:01:13,724 to be part of the Galvin family 16 00:01:13,724 --> 00:01:15,172 is to be part of a tragedy. 17 00:01:16,689 --> 00:01:21,103 This mutation was present in every person in that family 18 00:01:21,103 --> 00:01:22,862 who had schizophrenia. 19 00:01:24,206 --> 00:01:28,965 They might hear voices, they can command them to do things. 20 00:01:30,379 --> 00:01:32,000 Throwing a cat into a bonfire, 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,931 dismembered a dog in the bathtub. 22 00:01:34,931 --> 00:01:39,172 This family gave us hope that there might be a chance to cure schizophrenia. 23 00:01:40,379 --> 00:01:43,793 He shot her first, and then he shot himself. 24 00:01:45,275 --> 00:01:46,896 Well, it started to fall apart. 25 00:01:46,896 --> 00:01:48,344 My brothers were falling ill. 26 00:01:48,931 --> 00:01:50,103 They were losing their minds. 27 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,000 What happened in our family is very rare. 28 00:02:07,793 --> 00:02:12,448 Six siblings out of 12 to have schizophrenia... 29 00:02:13,379 --> 00:02:15,172 Half the family. 30 00:02:15,689 --> 00:02:16,689 That's rare. 31 00:02:16,689 --> 00:02:17,896 You don't see that. 32 00:02:21,586 --> 00:02:24,965 I mean, if you look at the chronology, it's unbelievable. 33 00:02:27,586 --> 00:02:30,793 Donald, you know, I was two when Donald became ill. 34 00:02:32,172 --> 00:02:33,965 Then Jim went to the hospital. 35 00:02:35,413 --> 00:02:37,344 And then Peter went to the hospital. 36 00:02:38,827 --> 00:02:40,379 And then Matthew went to the hospital. 37 00:02:42,379 --> 00:02:43,241 And then Joseph. 38 00:02:44,896 --> 00:02:46,103 In the middle of all that, 39 00:02:46,103 --> 00:02:47,448 Brian committed suicide 40 00:02:48,275 --> 00:02:49,655 and murdered his girlfriend. 41 00:02:51,206 --> 00:02:56,275 And it's only been over the course of a lifetime that you can 42 00:02:56,275 --> 00:02:58,275 look back on it and go... 43 00:02:58,517 --> 00:03:00,551 Oh, my... 44 00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:04,000 Holy crap! 45 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,344 How did this happen? 46 00:03:23,379 --> 00:03:25,689 Peter Eugene Galvin. 47 00:03:26,310 --> 00:03:29,241 Son of Dr. D.W. Galvin. 48 00:03:34,172 --> 00:03:35,758 We were all healed. 49 00:03:38,172 --> 00:03:41,689 Gave something the doctors had to heal us with. 50 00:03:42,586 --> 00:03:45,241 They tell us what to do with medications. 51 00:03:46,275 --> 00:03:48,551 We take them and shut up. 52 00:03:54,517 --> 00:03:55,655 I don't. 53 00:03:57,689 --> 00:03:59,689 I don't need to be looked after. 54 00:03:59,689 --> 00:04:01,758 I can look after myself. 55 00:04:07,068 --> 00:04:09,448 Peter was so noncompliant. 56 00:04:10,827 --> 00:04:12,586 He just would not abide 57 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:15,413 by what the doctors were asking him to do. 58 00:04:15,413 --> 00:04:16,758 He just would not do it. 59 00:04:17,793 --> 00:04:19,724 He was in and out of the hospital. 60 00:04:19,724 --> 00:04:21,655 I have no idea how many times. 61 00:04:22,172 --> 00:04:24,241 Hundreds, I would guess. 62 00:04:24,896 --> 00:04:27,000 Get stabilized, go home. 63 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,172 My parents would try to get him 64 00:04:28,172 --> 00:04:31,034 established in an apartment and he would blow it 65 00:04:32,586 --> 00:04:34,620 within a few months. 66 00:04:34,620 --> 00:04:38,827 And this was just this repetitive revolving door 67 00:04:38,827 --> 00:04:41,689 with Peter, in and out, and in and out, and in and out. 68 00:04:41,689 --> 00:04:43,724 Stopping taking the medications 69 00:04:43,724 --> 00:04:45,344 because of the way they make you feel. 70 00:04:48,586 --> 00:04:52,034 And then we would get a call from the police. 71 00:04:55,517 --> 00:04:56,586 No, I haven't. 72 00:05:01,517 --> 00:05:03,103 Police reports indicate 73 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:04,586 that he was charged with two counts of assault 74 00:05:04,586 --> 00:05:07,482 in the second degree against a police officer. 75 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,413 No. 76 00:05:14,586 --> 00:05:19,586 On 5/18/91, a theft of cigarettes had occurred from a 7-Eleven store. 77 00:05:19,586 --> 00:05:23,000 Someone chased Mr. Galvin down and got the cigarettes back. 78 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,413 Mr. Galvin then sat in front of the store and refused to leave. 79 00:05:26,413 --> 00:05:29,206 When the police approached him, he began swinging his fists 80 00:05:29,206 --> 00:05:31,379 and fighting, injuring both officers. 81 00:05:33,379 --> 00:05:35,896 He punched both in the face. 82 00:05:35,896 --> 00:05:39,448 During his trip to corrections, he was yelling and incoherent. 83 00:05:43,620 --> 00:05:44,827 Nope. 84 00:05:44,827 --> 00:05:48,724 I stay clean 85 00:05:48,724 --> 00:05:50,551 and I'm an E.M.T 86 00:05:51,620 --> 00:05:53,034 and I save lives. 87 00:06:08,103 --> 00:06:11,586 I had to go get Peter's court records and say, look, 88 00:06:11,586 --> 00:06:13,896 he has a severe mental illness. 89 00:06:13,896 --> 00:06:17,620 I really had to convince the courts that he did. 90 00:06:17,620 --> 00:06:21,344 It wasn't like they were just willing to take the piles 91 00:06:22,379 --> 00:06:23,862 of hospitalizations. 92 00:06:25,206 --> 00:06:27,379 I mean, we had to go to great efforts 93 00:06:27,379 --> 00:06:30,103 within the Boulder County judicial system 94 00:06:30,103 --> 00:06:33,586 to convince them that he had severe mental illness. 95 00:06:45,172 --> 00:06:48,275 Peter is a very interesting person 96 00:06:48,275 --> 00:06:49,965 and he's fun to talk to. 97 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:53,965 He was so chronically cheerful, 98 00:06:55,931 --> 00:06:58,620 but he could be a very difficult patient. 99 00:06:58,620 --> 00:06:59,931 He can be violent. 100 00:06:59,931 --> 00:07:02,103 He can be agitated. 101 00:07:02,103 --> 00:07:03,206 He can be very manic. 102 00:07:03,206 --> 00:07:04,689 He can be grandiose. 103 00:07:04,689 --> 00:07:06,068 I'm Saint Peter. 104 00:07:07,482 --> 00:07:10,965 The holy Saint who was crucified on the cross. 105 00:07:11,931 --> 00:07:14,655 Irish setters right in my hands, 106 00:07:16,275 --> 00:07:18,586 I died on the cross 107 00:07:19,793 --> 00:07:20,896 with Jesus. 108 00:07:21,896 --> 00:07:24,068 And I saved his life, too. 109 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,379 It's upsetting because you love Peter 110 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,793 and then when he turns on you, 111 00:07:30,379 --> 00:07:33,172 it feels like a betrayal. 112 00:07:33,172 --> 00:07:36,896 But we eventually, and particularly with the support of his family, 113 00:07:38,206 --> 00:07:41,655 we were able to get Peter in a good place and get him stabilized. 114 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:58,172 My mom said, "Oh, Mary, don't take this on. Do not take this on." 115 00:07:59,379 --> 00:08:02,137 And I said, I have to try or I won't know. 116 00:08:04,379 --> 00:08:06,620 Mary took Peter in and tried to do 117 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:08,103 whatever was right for him. 118 00:08:08,103 --> 00:08:10,103 She could help him 119 00:08:10,103 --> 00:08:13,862 get clothes and find jobs and whatever. 120 00:08:14,482 --> 00:08:16,103 I saw real progress. 121 00:08:16,103 --> 00:08:17,724 I mean, really. 122 00:08:17,724 --> 00:08:20,310 Peter held down a job in Boulder. 123 00:08:20,310 --> 00:08:22,172 He lived in his own apartment, 124 00:08:22,172 --> 00:08:24,551 and I don't know how many years that went on. 125 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:28,413 Found but he was pretty high functioning. 126 00:08:28,413 --> 00:08:32,896 But he was taking medication and going to therapy. 127 00:08:32,896 --> 00:08:34,241 Combined. 128 00:08:46,586 --> 00:08:49,068 His doctors talked to me. 129 00:08:50,172 --> 00:08:53,310 At one point, and said that he's extremely brittle, 130 00:08:53,310 --> 00:08:55,965 unresponsive to the medications. 131 00:08:56,896 --> 00:09:00,241 And that they would eventually stop working. 132 00:09:01,068 --> 00:09:03,000 And that they felt that it was time 133 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,172 for Peter to go back to Pueblo, 134 00:09:06,172 --> 00:09:09,206 where somebody with his severity 135 00:09:09,206 --> 00:09:12,758 of a brain disorder would get better treatment. 136 00:09:14,827 --> 00:09:18,344 So basically the doctors were telling me to give up 137 00:09:18,896 --> 00:09:20,862 on my attempt to save him. 138 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:36,000 Yeah. 139 00:09:38,275 --> 00:09:39,551 I didn't like it. 140 00:09:41,206 --> 00:09:44,689 I was the main patient at the hospital. 141 00:09:46,103 --> 00:09:48,241 And I did what they said to. 142 00:09:56,103 --> 00:09:58,379 Pete was, he was very unstable. 143 00:09:58,379 --> 00:09:59,965 He was in and out of the hospital. 144 00:09:59,965 --> 00:10:01,034 We would get him out. 145 00:10:01,586 --> 00:10:02,586 He would destabilize. 146 00:10:02,586 --> 00:10:04,103 He would come back in, and I don't know 147 00:10:04,103 --> 00:10:07,413 how many admissions we had, where he came back in. 148 00:10:07,413 --> 00:10:11,862 And then it was like, well, "Okay, let's do the shock therapy now." 149 00:10:26,758 --> 00:10:29,034 The state of Colorado requires Peter to have ECT. 150 00:10:29,689 --> 00:10:31,896 Because when he doesn't have it, 151 00:10:31,896 --> 00:10:35,689 he is a danger to himself and perhaps others. 152 00:10:39,172 --> 00:10:42,689 There's always been something to electroshock therapy. 153 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,862 And it's been scary and it has a bad reputation. 154 00:11:03,517 --> 00:11:06,379 The way we do it now is much more judicious. 155 00:11:06,379 --> 00:11:08,103 We use anesthesia. 156 00:11:08,103 --> 00:11:10,758 I think if you can come up with a treatment, 157 00:11:10,758 --> 00:11:12,103 and it is electroshock therapy, 158 00:11:12,103 --> 00:11:13,000 and that's what works, 159 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,551 then that's what you stick with. 160 00:11:15,758 --> 00:11:16,758 I get... 161 00:11:17,862 --> 00:11:20,137 shock treatments right in the temples. 162 00:11:21,620 --> 00:11:23,275 They get-- They knocked me out. 163 00:11:26,379 --> 00:11:27,586 With their beds 164 00:11:28,586 --> 00:11:31,172 on the shock-treatment tables. 165 00:11:33,482 --> 00:11:34,965 I feel much better. 166 00:11:36,206 --> 00:11:40,586 Like a brand-new man that takes care of his doctors. 167 00:11:40,586 --> 00:11:42,172 I sing them songs, 168 00:11:42,172 --> 00:11:45,172 and I do everything that I can think of for them 169 00:11:46,172 --> 00:11:48,241 because they're fine doctors. 170 00:11:49,275 --> 00:11:53,172 In Peter's case, it really helped significantly 171 00:11:53,172 --> 00:11:57,758 with his, um, manic, manic type of symptoms that he had. 172 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 The biggest issues that I have dealt with 173 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,068 with electroshock therapy is memory. 174 00:12:08,482 --> 00:12:09,689 And when you talk to Peter... 175 00:12:09,689 --> 00:12:12,896 Uh, I always describe Peter's talking in a loop. 176 00:12:12,896 --> 00:12:14,379 He will-- He'll have a story. 177 00:12:14,379 --> 00:12:17,241 He'll have a loop that he'll talk to you about. 178 00:12:19,896 --> 00:12:22,275 Maybe someday we'll understand better 179 00:12:22,275 --> 00:12:25,172 exactly how electroshock therapy actually works, 180 00:12:25,172 --> 00:12:27,689 and we can use something that's much less of invasive 181 00:12:27,689 --> 00:12:30,379 and doesn't require the same drawbacks. 182 00:12:33,206 --> 00:12:35,103 There-- There needs to be some progress 183 00:12:35,103 --> 00:12:37,241 in the way they treat the mentally ill. 184 00:12:38,896 --> 00:12:40,379 I keep hearing from Peter. 185 00:12:40,379 --> 00:12:42,103 And one of the most painful things 186 00:12:42,103 --> 00:12:45,241 is the fact that they do these shock treatments on him. 187 00:12:49,103 --> 00:12:52,000 I'm just thinking about what he's been through 188 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,655 and the pain he's been through. 189 00:12:58,172 --> 00:12:59,448 I can't even imagine. 190 00:13:13,172 --> 00:13:16,896 So much tragedy in some ways 191 00:13:16,896 --> 00:13:19,655 has been brought to the family because of this disease. 192 00:13:20,896 --> 00:13:23,275 And to me, losing my brothers 193 00:13:23,275 --> 00:13:25,517 closest to me in age to this disease 194 00:13:25,517 --> 00:13:28,689 has had a big impact on my life. 195 00:13:33,482 --> 00:13:34,965 It's-- It's painful. 196 00:13:37,172 --> 00:13:41,034 What my family has gone through, it's horrific. 197 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,206 But there is hope. 198 00:13:44,206 --> 00:13:45,413 Okay. 199 00:13:45,413 --> 00:13:47,103 Hi. How are you doing? 200 00:13:47,103 --> 00:13:48,172 Okay. 201 00:13:48,172 --> 00:13:52,172 And when we did our our first main study, 202 00:13:52,172 --> 00:13:57,689 uh, I had about 350 families, something like that. 203 00:13:58,517 --> 00:14:02,172 And the Galvin's was the largest. 204 00:14:17,172 --> 00:14:18,896 At that first visit, there were at least 205 00:14:18,896 --> 00:14:20,793 four of them that were there. 206 00:14:20,793 --> 00:14:24,482 And what I remember is them marching around 207 00:14:24,482 --> 00:14:28,034 through the kitchen saying things that didn't make sense. 208 00:14:33,310 --> 00:14:35,896 They were essentially a gold mine 209 00:14:35,896 --> 00:14:38,586 because the larger the family 210 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:43,758 and the more the number of affected people in the family, 211 00:14:43,758 --> 00:14:46,000 the more likely we can find something 212 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,586 that's significantly related to the illness. 213 00:15:04,586 --> 00:15:06,862 Bob Freedman was a colleague of mine. 214 00:15:08,206 --> 00:15:12,310 He was doing genetic research that was related. 215 00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:16,000 So I introduced him to the Galvin family. 216 00:15:18,379 --> 00:15:19,689 There were a lot of Galvins. 217 00:15:20,586 --> 00:15:23,586 Mimi, from the start, was a very impressive woman. 218 00:15:26,482 --> 00:15:30,000 Don Jr. and all his brothers were sitting on a bench 219 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,482 for myself and my research team to begin to interview, 220 00:15:33,482 --> 00:15:36,586 to draw blood for genetic sampling. 221 00:15:38,482 --> 00:15:41,862 Better research on mental illness was Mimi's hope. 222 00:15:45,482 --> 00:15:49,172 The family had clearly been devastated by schizophrenia. 223 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,068 They wanted to do some genetic testing on the family. 224 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,448 I was ready to help. 225 00:16:03,103 --> 00:16:06,275 I never thought of the overall big picture 226 00:16:06,275 --> 00:16:08,241 until the testing came along. 227 00:16:09,517 --> 00:16:12,275 I remember giving the blood sample. 228 00:16:12,275 --> 00:16:16,517 Advances are being made in genetic treatments all the time. 229 00:16:16,517 --> 00:16:18,379 Maybe someday they'll find a cure 230 00:16:18,379 --> 00:16:21,103 for these mental health issues. 231 00:16:21,103 --> 00:16:24,034 And maybe that could help my brothers as well. 232 00:16:38,379 --> 00:16:39,689 That whole schizophrenia thing 233 00:16:39,689 --> 00:16:42,068 was my mother's idea of notion 234 00:16:42,896 --> 00:16:44,482 that I'm mentally ill. 235 00:16:44,482 --> 00:16:46,000 I might have been a little schizophrenic 236 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,137 because I was with a lot of people who were schizophrenic, 237 00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:50,586 but it doesn't make me a schizophrenic. 238 00:16:50,586 --> 00:16:54,586 Every human being has a genetic blueprint called DNA. 239 00:16:54,586 --> 00:16:58,896 Researchers hope to map the genes found on the chromosomes. 240 00:16:58,896 --> 00:17:02,241 It could be a fundamental advance towards a cure 241 00:17:02,241 --> 00:17:03,862 for genetically-linked illnesses 242 00:17:03,862 --> 00:17:06,965 such as schizophrenia, cancer and heart disease. 243 00:17:10,896 --> 00:17:12,896 In the early 1990s, 244 00:17:12,896 --> 00:17:14,896 scientists all over the world 245 00:17:14,896 --> 00:17:16,793 hit on the idea that you could make a map 246 00:17:16,793 --> 00:17:19,344 of the entire genome in human beings. 247 00:17:22,137 --> 00:17:25,137 There was a great sense of competitiveness. 248 00:17:25,137 --> 00:17:29,965 Each of us wanted to be the first to find the gene that causes schizophrenia. 249 00:17:32,172 --> 00:17:34,344 Once we knew what "the gene" was, 250 00:17:34,344 --> 00:17:38,758 we would be able to target a medication towards that gene. 251 00:17:38,758 --> 00:17:40,206 The magic bullet. 252 00:17:41,793 --> 00:17:47,551 So we went gene hunting and identified a gene. 253 00:17:47,551 --> 00:17:49,655 And the name of the gene was CHRNA7. 254 00:18:06,275 --> 00:18:10,448 So we sequenced the whole genome in the Galvin family. 255 00:18:12,379 --> 00:18:15,586 They had one mutation that really stood out, 256 00:18:15,586 --> 00:18:18,862 that was present in all affected siblings. 257 00:18:21,103 --> 00:18:24,551 It was a gene that was expressed in the brain 258 00:18:24,551 --> 00:18:27,965 in what's called the SHANK2 gene, 259 00:18:27,965 --> 00:18:31,448 and was important for brain development 260 00:18:31,448 --> 00:18:36,413 so that we knew we were on the right track. 261 00:18:40,241 --> 00:18:42,896 SHANK2 is a very important gene. 262 00:18:42,896 --> 00:18:45,965 It's not a complete determinant of schizophrenia. 263 00:18:45,965 --> 00:18:47,793 But multiple discoveries like that 264 00:18:47,793 --> 00:18:50,172 changed our view of what we were looking at 265 00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:52,103 in schizophrenia in general. 266 00:19:01,793 --> 00:19:04,689 For example, having an abusive childhood, 267 00:19:04,689 --> 00:19:08,000 where you've had a lot of trauma, 268 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,379 that trauma is doing something 269 00:19:10,379 --> 00:19:13,896 to the genetic material in the brain, 270 00:19:13,896 --> 00:19:19,896 and maybe causing genes to be expressed in a different way. 271 00:19:19,896 --> 00:19:24,379 Church officials have reportedly sent the names of 49 additional priests 272 00:19:24,379 --> 00:19:27,586 accused of child sexual abuse to prosecutors, 273 00:19:27,586 --> 00:19:29,103 bringing the total number of priests 274 00:19:29,103 --> 00:19:32,448 named by the archdiocese so far to 87. 275 00:19:32,448 --> 00:19:34,655 NBC's Monica Novotny has the story. 276 00:19:36,379 --> 00:19:39,379 When the story about the Catholic Church 277 00:19:39,379 --> 00:19:44,206 and the priests abusing young boys broke across the world, 278 00:19:45,793 --> 00:19:49,172 my mother was watching television with Donald. 279 00:19:49,172 --> 00:19:55,586 Priests during the 1980s or even before were knowingly assigned to active ministry 280 00:19:55,586 --> 00:19:58,862 after there had been credible allegations of child abuse. 281 00:19:58,862 --> 00:20:00,862 And he told my mother 282 00:20:00,862 --> 00:20:03,344 that he had been sexually abused by Father Freudenstein. 283 00:20:16,137 --> 00:20:18,620 Hm? 284 00:20:25,034 --> 00:20:27,482 My mother, of course, believed him 285 00:20:27,482 --> 00:20:30,448 because he was lucid and on his medicine. 286 00:20:30,448 --> 00:20:32,241 And just because they have schizophrenia 287 00:20:32,241 --> 00:20:34,689 doesn't mean they just make stuff like that up. 288 00:20:34,689 --> 00:20:37,275 That would not be something, um, 289 00:20:37,275 --> 00:20:39,931 Don would hallucinate or make up. 290 00:20:42,344 --> 00:20:44,379 The priests? Well, there are a lot of them. 291 00:20:44,379 --> 00:20:46,586 A lot of priests over the years. 292 00:20:46,586 --> 00:20:49,275 Most of them like smoking cigars, as I recall, 293 00:20:49,275 --> 00:20:50,965 that stunk up the house. 294 00:20:50,965 --> 00:20:53,068 Um, but they would come over a lot. 295 00:20:53,068 --> 00:20:55,482 There was one... One priest. 296 00:20:55,482 --> 00:20:57,862 His name was Freudenstein. 297 00:20:57,862 --> 00:21:00,241 They called him Father Freudenstein. 298 00:21:00,241 --> 00:21:03,586 I was not particularly fond of him. 299 00:21:03,586 --> 00:21:06,275 Something about his personality, 300 00:21:06,275 --> 00:21:09,275 the way he carried himself. Maybe it was his demeanor. 301 00:21:09,275 --> 00:21:12,931 And I kind of distanced myself from him. 302 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,241 Don, Jim, and Brian, all would go on these excursions. 303 00:21:23,241 --> 00:21:26,896 I remember, Father Freudenstein was picking him up in a station wagon, 304 00:21:26,896 --> 00:21:28,000 saying goodbye to him, 305 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,931 and then, they'd come home three days later. 306 00:21:30,862 --> 00:21:32,275 We didn't think any of these priests 307 00:21:32,275 --> 00:21:34,724 would be doing anything illicit or wrong. 308 00:21:39,689 --> 00:21:43,482 What I heard from my mother and my brothers 309 00:21:43,482 --> 00:21:47,448 is that he became sexually abusive towards my oldest brother, Don. 310 00:21:53,034 --> 00:21:57,379 And then, suddenly, it was like... 311 00:21:57,379 --> 00:22:01,241 "Well, that must have happened to Jim, too." 312 00:22:02,448 --> 00:22:05,793 Because what else would have caused him 313 00:22:05,793 --> 00:22:08,620 to sexually abuse me? 314 00:22:12,689 --> 00:22:13,862 So, 315 00:22:14,896 --> 00:22:17,965 we came to that conclusion without firsthand knowledge. 316 00:22:18,896 --> 00:22:20,551 But it just fits. 317 00:22:20,551 --> 00:22:22,172 It just fits, you know. 318 00:22:22,172 --> 00:22:24,344 It makes everything make sense. 319 00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:41,448 There are those in psychiatry who say that a traumatic experience 320 00:22:41,448 --> 00:22:45,137 can trigger mental illness, schizophrenia. 321 00:22:45,896 --> 00:22:47,793 While, maybe it's genetic, 322 00:22:47,793 --> 00:22:50,758 perhaps it's a traumatic event that triggers it. 323 00:22:54,275 --> 00:22:56,896 One of the things we know about schizophrenia 324 00:22:56,896 --> 00:23:01,137 is that just having the genes by themselves is not enough. 325 00:23:01,137 --> 00:23:03,793 There have to be other factors. 326 00:23:03,793 --> 00:23:07,137 How much is nature? How much is nurture? 327 00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:10,344 How much is the way you were treated in your life 328 00:23:10,344 --> 00:23:13,379 versus how much did you come into life with 329 00:23:13,379 --> 00:23:15,068 as a biological background? 330 00:23:15,068 --> 00:23:17,620 Of course, most human diseases, 331 00:23:19,448 --> 00:23:23,620 including cancer, are nature and nurture. 332 00:23:29,482 --> 00:23:33,758 Donald played football, and wrestled and was very athletic. 333 00:23:33,758 --> 00:23:37,241 So, the chances of him having head injury were pretty big. 334 00:23:37,241 --> 00:23:38,344 He was sexually abused. 335 00:23:40,793 --> 00:23:42,724 And so, there was trauma there. 336 00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:46,758 And then, Jim, 337 00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:48,551 he played sports, too. 338 00:23:52,275 --> 00:23:55,862 I think he was probably sexually abused as well. 339 00:23:57,551 --> 00:23:58,620 For Brian, 340 00:24:00,793 --> 00:24:02,344 maybe psychedelic drugs. 341 00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:03,896 Yeah, maybe LSD, 342 00:24:03,896 --> 00:24:06,931 and flashbacks might have been a trigger for him. 343 00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:12,965 For Joe, he was in Chicago at the time that it happened. So... 344 00:24:14,655 --> 00:24:19,172 Maybe just working long hours at the airlines, 345 00:24:19,172 --> 00:24:23,068 just being exhausted, physically and emotionally, and alone... 346 00:24:24,896 --> 00:24:27,551 Maybe loneliness could be a trigger. 347 00:24:30,689 --> 00:24:35,137 Matt, perhaps his crash into the hockey goal... 348 00:24:38,655 --> 00:24:42,896 Been a lot of hospitalization from trauma happening to my physical body. 349 00:24:42,896 --> 00:24:45,551 I was lucky to live through it after being in 350 00:24:45,551 --> 00:24:48,103 a hematoma, blood clot hemorrhage brain operation. 351 00:24:50,137 --> 00:24:53,586 For Peter, witnessing my father's first stroke 352 00:24:53,586 --> 00:24:56,000 could have been that kind of traumatic event 353 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,965 that might have triggered the schizophrenia. 354 00:25:01,103 --> 00:25:04,137 He once stated to me, "You know, I had a pretty good life 355 00:25:04,137 --> 00:25:07,379 until this mental illness came along and ruined it." 356 00:25:07,379 --> 00:25:10,758 Christ, Christ... 357 00:25:10,758 --> 00:25:12,344 Christ... 358 00:25:28,758 --> 00:25:32,965 I was trying so hard to normalize mental illness around my children, 359 00:25:34,137 --> 00:25:35,655 and didn't... 360 00:25:36,689 --> 00:25:40,862 understand the consequences of exposing them to so much mental illness. 361 00:25:41,896 --> 00:25:44,827 Our intention was, um... 362 00:25:45,896 --> 00:25:49,586 to try to expose the kids to the ill boys 363 00:25:49,586 --> 00:25:52,758 so that they would get to know them. 364 00:25:56,137 --> 00:26:01,310 I think it's really important to normalize mental illness. Um... 365 00:26:02,344 --> 00:26:04,448 But I also think there is a lot... 366 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,000 that I wish I hadn't known until I was a little bit older. 367 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,241 If you're not mentally equipped to handle this information, 368 00:26:14,689 --> 00:26:18,241 you're not normalizing it, you're inflicting more trauma, 369 00:26:18,241 --> 00:26:19,965 whether you mean to or not. 370 00:26:42,275 --> 00:26:45,172 I mean, no one's family is normal, 371 00:26:45,172 --> 00:26:48,448 but not many people have six schizophrenic uncles. 372 00:26:52,793 --> 00:26:54,344 Well, it has been a minute. 373 00:26:57,965 --> 00:27:01,689 The day I wake up, on my 26th birthday 374 00:27:01,689 --> 00:27:03,862 will be a very happy day for me. 375 00:27:05,172 --> 00:27:07,172 Because that's, like, when scientists think 376 00:27:07,172 --> 00:27:09,034 the male brain finishes developing. 377 00:27:20,137 --> 00:27:23,896 I will feel like I've... gotten past it, 378 00:27:23,896 --> 00:27:27,551 and then, I have no percent chance now. 379 00:27:29,137 --> 00:27:32,379 Zero percent chance of developing schizophrenia. 380 00:27:32,379 --> 00:27:33,965 I mean, none. 381 00:27:48,482 --> 00:27:53,172 I think the fear started to set in once I was 12, 13, 14, 382 00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:56,586 um, because, you know, that the... 383 00:27:56,586 --> 00:27:59,896 I was not doing things that other kids did, like I didn't play football. 384 00:27:59,896 --> 00:28:03,103 I didn't play hockey because, you know, fear of head injury 385 00:28:03,103 --> 00:28:04,965 eventually turning into schizophrenia. 386 00:28:08,482 --> 00:28:10,862 When I hear a sound in the house, 387 00:28:10,862 --> 00:28:15,241 I immediately look to see and figure out what it is. 388 00:28:15,241 --> 00:28:18,000 I have that moment of, like, anxiety, 389 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,689 of like, "Did I just hear that?" 390 00:28:19,689 --> 00:28:24,241 Like, "Was that me or was that actually happening around me?" 391 00:28:24,241 --> 00:28:26,344 And you know, for someone who fears that way, 392 00:28:26,344 --> 00:28:28,655 you run a very fine line. 393 00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:32,000 Because I think you can convince yourself 394 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,551 that you're hearing things that you're not, 395 00:28:34,551 --> 00:28:37,034 that you can tell yourself that you're hearing stuff, 396 00:28:37,034 --> 00:28:38,551 and eventually, you will. 397 00:28:40,275 --> 00:28:43,000 I think my brother was really affected 398 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,206 by the idea of possibly becoming schizophrenic. 399 00:28:48,482 --> 00:28:51,965 He started to smoke weed for the first time. 400 00:28:53,344 --> 00:28:55,448 And he... 401 00:28:57,793 --> 00:28:59,655 would tell me what was going on, 402 00:29:00,275 --> 00:29:02,275 um, for the most part, 403 00:29:02,275 --> 00:29:03,862 and be like, "Oh, I'm here," 404 00:29:03,862 --> 00:29:05,896 or "This happened." 405 00:29:05,896 --> 00:29:09,551 I started to get worried and telling my parents, 406 00:29:09,551 --> 00:29:10,586 you know, what was going on. 407 00:29:10,586 --> 00:29:13,000 And then, he stopped telling me things. 408 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,655 And that was when I was... 409 00:29:15,482 --> 00:29:17,965 got really nervous about what was happening. 410 00:29:19,068 --> 00:29:21,000 We were struggling that summer. 411 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000 We can't find him, 412 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,931 He's MIA. Won't answer his phone, won't answer his texts. 413 00:29:27,448 --> 00:29:28,517 Um... 414 00:29:31,068 --> 00:29:33,241 - Yeah. That was a tough summer. - Mm-hmm. 415 00:29:34,137 --> 00:29:36,103 Yeah, we were struggling with what to do. 416 00:29:47,448 --> 00:29:49,275 I was self-destructive, 417 00:29:49,275 --> 00:29:54,000 to the point where it was going to affect my life in a serious way. 418 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,344 I started abusing drugs with my prescribed ADHD medication. 419 00:29:58,344 --> 00:29:59,758 I was abusing that. 420 00:30:02,137 --> 00:30:05,793 My mind was that, if he keeps going down this path, 421 00:30:05,793 --> 00:30:08,896 he is going to potentially develop major mental illness 422 00:30:08,896 --> 00:30:12,000 - by his drug use. - Yeah, that's true. 423 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,482 His behaviors reminded me of things 424 00:30:14,482 --> 00:30:18,172 that I suspected Peter had been up to when he was young. 425 00:30:18,172 --> 00:30:21,551 - The two of them just reminded me of each other. - Oh, yeah. 426 00:30:21,551 --> 00:30:25,034 We had been researching, uh, programs, 427 00:30:25,034 --> 00:30:28,172 what we might do, where we might take him, 428 00:30:28,172 --> 00:30:30,241 who might be able to help us, 429 00:30:30,241 --> 00:30:32,379 But Jack just... 430 00:30:32,379 --> 00:30:34,724 wouldn't fully engage in the process. 431 00:30:38,275 --> 00:30:41,862 My parents really did not want to send him away. 432 00:30:45,758 --> 00:30:48,172 Once that was decided, um... 433 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,482 my parents, like, made a plan. 434 00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:53,896 They were gonna take him and his friend to the skate park, 435 00:30:53,896 --> 00:30:55,551 and then, they were gonna ask him to stay in the car 436 00:30:55,551 --> 00:30:57,586 so they could talk to him for a minute. 437 00:30:57,586 --> 00:31:00,137 And instead of that, they were just gonna drive away. 438 00:31:00,137 --> 00:31:04,379 And before they left, I put the child locks on the doors 439 00:31:04,379 --> 00:31:07,551 so that, once they started driving away, 440 00:31:08,793 --> 00:31:10,448 he couldn't get out of the car. 441 00:31:12,586 --> 00:31:17,689 He tried to, like, kick out the windows and open the doors on the highway. 442 00:31:17,689 --> 00:31:22,241 And I feel bad now because, like, how traumatic was that for him, you know? 443 00:31:22,241 --> 00:31:26,241 I can't imagine just, like, being sent away like that. 444 00:31:34,862 --> 00:31:36,241 At the start, 445 00:31:36,241 --> 00:31:41,000 this was perhaps the worst experience of my life, 446 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,034 having to take him down there and leave him there, 447 00:31:44,758 --> 00:31:48,793 turn him over to someone else. 448 00:31:48,793 --> 00:31:50,551 It was horrible. 449 00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:56,275 It was horribly traumatic and awful. 450 00:31:56,275 --> 00:31:58,344 Absolutely, I think. 451 00:31:58,344 --> 00:32:02,551 But, then, by the time we got to graduation, it was the exact opposite. 452 00:32:06,482 --> 00:32:10,758 What we met In Jack when he was done, 453 00:32:10,758 --> 00:32:13,241 was... It was unbelievable. 454 00:32:17,379 --> 00:32:19,103 I did think, at the time, 455 00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:22,896 maybe there's a preventative component to an early intervention. 456 00:32:22,896 --> 00:32:26,896 But I thought that, "Boy, what if Peter had had this opportunity?" 457 00:32:26,896 --> 00:32:30,241 Would he have ended up as bad as he is now? 458 00:32:31,482 --> 00:32:35,586 ♪ Our father who art in heaven,♪ 459 00:32:35,586 --> 00:32:41,275 ♪ Hallowed be Thy name...♪ 460 00:32:41,275 --> 00:32:43,379 Growing up in this type of situation, 461 00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:45,896 it felt like things were always happening. 462 00:32:45,896 --> 00:32:48,758 You know, it was... This is going on with this brother. 463 00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:53,275 And, you know, my mom being the person that takes care of them, 464 00:32:53,275 --> 00:32:56,793 it's not like we were just hearing about it. 465 00:32:56,793 --> 00:32:58,275 You know, we were there. 466 00:32:58,275 --> 00:33:00,137 Madness has defined my life. 467 00:33:01,379 --> 00:33:03,896 I've lived too many days worried about it. 468 00:33:03,896 --> 00:33:07,758 ♪ But they'll never ask for me ♪ 469 00:33:07,758 --> 00:33:10,275 I've done all the therapy. 470 00:33:10,275 --> 00:33:12,724 But I'm still afraid of schizophrenia. 471 00:33:31,241 --> 00:33:33,448 Since she passed, 472 00:33:33,448 --> 00:33:37,103 the family's kind of broken apart in more ways than one. 473 00:33:37,103 --> 00:33:38,586 You know, John's so far away. 474 00:33:38,586 --> 00:33:41,758 He's been kind of separate from the family for a long time. 475 00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:45,965 You know, Michael and I just never shared a common bond of any sort 476 00:33:46,586 --> 00:33:48,137 to spend time together. 477 00:33:49,034 --> 00:33:51,689 And for me, you know, 478 00:33:51,689 --> 00:33:54,724 I've got my own three children and my three grandchildren. 479 00:33:55,275 --> 00:33:57,551 And that's my life now. 480 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,896 My mother was... She was the center. 481 00:34:04,896 --> 00:34:08,275 And when she passed away, 482 00:34:08,275 --> 00:34:10,655 the family has kind of fragmented... 483 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,448 more. 484 00:34:13,448 --> 00:34:15,000 We're not together so much, 485 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,758 especially my sister, Margaret. 486 00:34:18,689 --> 00:34:20,758 She's still hurting... 487 00:34:21,586 --> 00:34:23,655 from everything that's gone on in the family, 488 00:34:23,655 --> 00:34:25,862 and she wants to... 489 00:34:26,551 --> 00:34:28,241 just get away from it. 490 00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:31,310 And... 491 00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:34,068 that's her way of dealing with it. 492 00:34:38,862 --> 00:34:42,137 I ran away from it in my own way. 493 00:34:42,137 --> 00:34:45,965 I'm just not a professional mental health caregiver. 494 00:34:49,068 --> 00:34:51,655 I don't think it's my calling. 495 00:34:55,172 --> 00:34:59,689 My parents were very clear in expressing to all of us. 496 00:34:59,689 --> 00:35:03,310 Not just me, but to my other siblings as well. 497 00:35:04,344 --> 00:35:05,965 "Please don't desert them." 498 00:35:08,137 --> 00:35:11,655 That was very clearly my parents' message, 499 00:35:11,655 --> 00:35:13,551 to all of us, not just me. 500 00:35:14,379 --> 00:35:15,896 "Please don't desert them." 501 00:35:24,758 --> 00:35:29,034 I can't find anything positive and being mentally ill the way they are. 502 00:35:30,275 --> 00:35:33,620 And it's such a loss of what could have been. 503 00:35:36,655 --> 00:35:39,862 I'm sure that they have different perspectives on that. 504 00:35:39,862 --> 00:35:42,172 Try the 14th corner. 505 00:35:43,896 --> 00:35:47,482 Peter and Matthew seem like they have some joy in their lives. 506 00:35:57,965 --> 00:36:01,758 I used to love to play the pool, and I'll win it again. 507 00:36:01,758 --> 00:36:05,241 They're not-- They're not totally... I can still communicate with them. 508 00:36:09,137 --> 00:36:10,827 I don't call Donald... 509 00:36:15,896 --> 00:36:21,586 just because I don't think there's a communication between us. 510 00:36:22,551 --> 00:36:25,172 I don't think that he would have anything to say 511 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:27,896 that I could understand. 512 00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:33,379 Mary seems to think that we should try 513 00:36:33,379 --> 00:36:36,344 to have a relationship with my brothers, 514 00:36:36,344 --> 00:36:39,413 you know, and try to be there for them, and... 515 00:36:40,413 --> 00:36:42,172 I haven't been able to do that. 516 00:36:43,448 --> 00:36:45,689 Hi, Mary. 517 00:36:45,689 --> 00:36:49,068 God, you look great. 518 00:36:49,068 --> 00:36:52,000 Hi, Pete. Oh, you... I just don't enjoy seeing them. 519 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,586 I mean... There's not much point to it. 520 00:36:58,172 --> 00:37:01,310 I'm just trying to look and see what you need. Yeah, there's more garbage. 521 00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:04,586 Oh, they think I'm being my mother. I'm a martyr. 522 00:37:06,896 --> 00:37:09,068 I mean, we always called my mother a martyr. 523 00:37:09,068 --> 00:37:10,896 - You're doing what your mom did, though. - Mm-hmm. 524 00:37:10,896 --> 00:37:13,448 I mean, in terms of making sure that they're taken care of. 525 00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:17,551 Yeah. Just let me follow you. 526 00:37:17,551 --> 00:37:20,310 I personally believe that only through helping others 527 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:23,896 do you really find true joy in life. 528 00:37:25,551 --> 00:37:27,448 Kind of wearing off. Have you seen Michael? 529 00:37:27,448 --> 00:37:31,344 And I think you're missing out by not helping those closest to you when they need it, 530 00:37:31,344 --> 00:37:33,172 and they need it. 531 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,000 Yeah. 532 00:37:38,172 --> 00:37:40,965 I didn't envision our family 533 00:37:40,965 --> 00:37:46,724 having become divided the way it has in the last five years. 534 00:37:46,724 --> 00:37:51,482 I thought we all had enough love and care for each other 535 00:37:51,482 --> 00:37:54,448 that everybody would step up and participate. 536 00:37:55,379 --> 00:37:57,034 I obviously have a lot of anger around us. 537 00:37:57,034 --> 00:37:59,034 Still, I'm trying... 538 00:37:59,034 --> 00:38:01,758 I'm really trying to understand their perspective. 539 00:38:17,344 --> 00:38:21,413 Mother and father came to me specifically, and said, 540 00:38:21,413 --> 00:38:24,827 "Please, please..." 541 00:38:24,827 --> 00:38:28,689 There was no one else that could have handled it. 542 00:38:28,689 --> 00:38:33,172 I mean, they said, "Please do not... do not desert them," 543 00:38:33,172 --> 00:38:35,000 and what I've seen 544 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,206 is that everyone else in my family 545 00:38:37,206 --> 00:38:38,275 has deserted them. 546 00:38:38,275 --> 00:38:40,551 Maybe that was too big of a chore for 'em. 547 00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:43,241 No, it's absolutely not. 548 00:38:43,241 --> 00:38:46,275 I never thought I would be 549 00:38:46,275 --> 00:38:49,172 doing this by myself without you guys. 550 00:38:49,172 --> 00:38:51,724 I never, in a million years, 551 00:38:51,724 --> 00:38:53,965 thought that my siblings 552 00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:56,896 would not be by my side through this. 553 00:38:56,896 --> 00:38:59,310 You cannot demean. You cannot put down. 554 00:38:59,310 --> 00:39:02,689 You cannot admonish your brothers and sisters for that. 555 00:39:02,689 --> 00:39:05,379 This is not your place. You're not the judge. I can be angry. 556 00:39:05,379 --> 00:39:08,172 You can be angry, but don't be angry at your brothers and sisters. 557 00:39:08,172 --> 00:39:09,896 I am angry at my brother and sisters. 558 00:39:09,896 --> 00:39:11,896 Because you think everybody can do what you can. That's wrong. 559 00:39:11,896 --> 00:39:13,965 We're not professionally equipped to handle it. 560 00:39:13,965 --> 00:39:16,620 - She is the only one who... When I'm looking at her, - I don't see it. 561 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:17,896 She's the only one in this family... 562 00:39:17,896 --> 00:39:19,310 Because I'm willing to be vulnerable. 563 00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:20,862 Vulnerability is power. She has done it. 564 00:39:20,862 --> 00:39:22,206 She has done it. 565 00:39:22,206 --> 00:39:24,724 I mean, she's taking care of what's needed to be taken care of, 566 00:39:24,724 --> 00:39:26,241 and she will continue to do that. 567 00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:27,724 She looks after the kids. 568 00:39:27,724 --> 00:39:29,586 She looks after Don. She looks after... 569 00:39:29,586 --> 00:39:31,482 Matthew. - ...Matt, Peter. 570 00:39:32,862 --> 00:39:34,310 I couldn't do that. 571 00:39:39,586 --> 00:39:42,379 I wish I could have helped Mary more. But... 572 00:39:42,379 --> 00:39:45,413 as far as me making arrangements for my brothers 573 00:39:45,413 --> 00:39:48,896 and seeing to it that they have what they need, 574 00:39:48,896 --> 00:39:51,068 what those boys need, she does it. 575 00:39:51,586 --> 00:39:52,793 She does it. 576 00:39:52,793 --> 00:39:54,896 Do you think Mary's taken on too much? 577 00:39:58,241 --> 00:40:01,000 Uh, only she can answer that. 578 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,241 I hope that she knows she can always call me and lean on my shoulder. 579 00:40:05,206 --> 00:40:07,965 From a distance, I can talk and visit. 580 00:40:08,896 --> 00:40:11,517 Um, and support her the best I can. 581 00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:15,551 The survivor guilt is unbelievable. 582 00:40:15,551 --> 00:40:18,724 Like, why am I not just bringing them into my home? 583 00:40:18,724 --> 00:40:21,551 You know, like my mother chose to. Um... 584 00:40:22,655 --> 00:40:23,965 I don't know how she did it. 585 00:40:28,724 --> 00:40:31,241 I think the pain, the emotional pain 586 00:40:31,241 --> 00:40:35,517 that somebody suffers, from having schizophrenia, 587 00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:37,862 is maybe worse than the disease itself. 588 00:40:37,862 --> 00:40:41,068 Didn't I get into a lot of trouble in Boulder? 589 00:40:41,068 --> 00:40:43,206 So, it's really debilitating, 590 00:40:43,206 --> 00:40:45,862 not only to the person... 591 00:40:45,862 --> 00:40:48,172 There's a picture. There it is. There's a picture. 592 00:40:48,172 --> 00:40:50,172 ...but to the family, too. 593 00:40:51,965 --> 00:40:54,793 We can work on a puzzle. I like puzzles. 594 00:40:57,137 --> 00:40:59,827 Hi, handsome. 595 00:41:00,586 --> 00:41:02,620 - You're cold. - Yeah, I know. 596 00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:04,034 - Yeah. - Cold hands. Warm heart. 597 00:41:05,034 --> 00:41:06,448 Just because they are schizophrenic 598 00:41:06,448 --> 00:41:08,379 doesn't mean they don't have their own mind. 599 00:41:09,413 --> 00:41:10,862 I mean, their mind's a little broken, 600 00:41:10,862 --> 00:41:13,793 but when they're lucid, they're lucid. 601 00:41:13,793 --> 00:41:18,517 And they want so badly to be normalized. 602 00:41:19,551 --> 00:41:23,482 They don't want their condition to be scarier. 603 00:41:24,965 --> 00:41:27,344 You know, to me, schizophrenia is... 604 00:41:28,103 --> 00:41:29,724 really tragic. 605 00:41:30,482 --> 00:41:32,413 And it's not their fault.