1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,467 [reporter] Stemple's husband of 11 years originally told police his wife 2 00:00:06,634 --> 00:00:09,166 went to the store in the middle of the night to get medicine. 3 00:00:09,333 --> 00:00:12,266 Her body was found just off the shoulder of highway 75 4 00:00:12,266 --> 00:00:13,367 a few hours later. 5 00:00:24,567 --> 00:00:28,000 [Brett] This became an enraged, brutal murder 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,166 that's unthinkable. 7 00:00:31,066 --> 00:00:34,300 And so I wanna make it perfectly clear that both 8 00:00:34,467 --> 00:00:37,800 of them are equally liable for this horrendous act. 9 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:50,567 [James] It broke my heart that he hurt that woman. 10 00:00:50,734 --> 00:00:51,834 You know, he was my son. 11 00:00:51,834 --> 00:00:55,300 I didn't think that he would do something like that. 12 00:00:55,467 --> 00:00:58,700 It hurt for years. It didn't go away. 13 00:01:00,367 --> 00:01:02,367 There were three people out there that night, 14 00:01:02,367 --> 00:01:04,700 and only one of them is still alive. 15 00:01:04,867 --> 00:01:07,400 And so how do I know I'm getting the whole story 16 00:01:07,567 --> 00:01:08,533 from this guy? 17 00:01:08,533 --> 00:01:11,100 I think everybody has things about themselves 18 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:12,667 that they don't want people to know. 19 00:01:26,367 --> 00:01:28,567 [Terry] I feel like I'm more than just my crime. 20 00:01:28,734 --> 00:01:30,000 You know, I mean, that was a horrible time. 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,567 That was a dark period in my life. 22 00:01:31,567 --> 00:01:34,000 You know, a lot of people are hurt. 23 00:01:34,166 --> 00:01:37,600 But I feel like I just wanted people to see me and have 24 00:01:37,767 --> 00:01:41,367 a chance to, you know, see me as more than just something 25 00:01:41,533 --> 00:01:42,800 they read on the internet. 26 00:01:44,867 --> 00:01:46,967 [The Paper Chase's "What's So Amazing About Grace?" plays] 27 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,800 [strings continue playing sinister tune] 28 00:01:50,967 --> 00:01:51,967 [static crackling] 29 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,266 -[knock at door] -[creaking] 30 00:01:58,867 --> 00:02:00,367 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 31 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:07,100 -[banging on door] -[creaking] 32 00:02:13,166 --> 00:02:15,000 [sinister chord strikes] 33 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,000 [eerie music plays] 34 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:40,500 [reporter] Prosecutors say Stemple was a husband who first 35 00:02:40,667 --> 00:02:43,467 cheated on his wife, then killed her for money, 36 00:02:43,634 --> 00:02:45,700 nearly a million dollars in life insurance, 37 00:02:45,867 --> 00:02:47,567 and because he had a girlfriend. 38 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,600 They say he offered his girlfriend's cousin, 39 00:02:55,767 --> 00:02:59,467 Terry Hunt, $30,000 to help beat Trisha Stemple, 40 00:02:59,467 --> 00:03:02,100 then run over her with a truck and make it look 41 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,066 like a hit-and-run accident. 42 00:03:05,233 --> 00:03:08,066 [reporter #2] Prosecutors say this case was one of the worst crimes 43 00:03:08,233 --> 00:03:09,667 they've ever seen. 44 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,867 You know, if I could -- if I could take that moment back, 45 00:03:34,033 --> 00:03:35,800 you know, I mean, it would... 46 00:03:35,967 --> 00:03:37,200 it would... 47 00:03:37,367 --> 00:03:38,767 I can't say that my life would have been better 48 00:03:38,934 --> 00:03:40,367 or that I wouldn't have went along to prison, 49 00:03:40,533 --> 00:03:42,900 but Trisha would still be alive. 50 00:03:43,066 --> 00:03:46,800 Her family wouldn't be missing someone that they loved. 51 00:03:48,567 --> 00:03:50,066 You know, and I would say that 52 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:52,667 it -- it was a horrible crime. 53 00:03:53,967 --> 00:03:55,100 It was -- it was... 54 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:56,867 There's no getting around it. 55 00:03:56,867 --> 00:03:59,000 [soft eerie music playing] 56 00:04:01,467 --> 00:04:03,266 You know, and I'm not saying that I didn't -- 57 00:04:03,433 --> 00:04:05,767 don't deserve to come to prison, 58 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:08,166 you know, and do a lot of time. I don't -- I don't 59 00:04:08,166 --> 00:04:09,967 deny that or dispute it. 60 00:04:11,066 --> 00:04:12,166 But I would say that, 61 00:04:13,467 --> 00:04:14,567 you know, that 62 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,567 while I participated in that, 63 00:04:18,867 --> 00:04:20,266 you know, that's not who I am. 64 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,867 You know, it's hard to, you know, tell people, 65 00:04:22,867 --> 00:04:25,967 "Hey, you can trust me now." You know, I mean, 66 00:04:26,133 --> 00:04:29,467 that was then, you know, and I've changed. 67 00:04:29,467 --> 00:04:32,166 I'm not, and I don't think anybody's the same as they were 68 00:04:32,333 --> 00:04:33,300 when they were 16. 69 00:04:34,867 --> 00:04:37,000 [ominous music plays] 70 00:04:56,066 --> 00:04:59,166 [Terry] Shaun Stemple was my cousin's boyfriend, 71 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:03,000 and I got to kind of looking up to him he seemed 72 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,400 like a upstanding guy, I mean, he had a lot of the things 73 00:05:06,567 --> 00:05:08,266 that I wanted, like he had a house, 74 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:11,467 you know, he had a car with a stereo system. 75 00:05:11,467 --> 00:05:14,500 You know, he seemed like he had things together. 76 00:05:14,667 --> 00:05:19,100 Just seemed like a good person. You know, I didn't find out 77 00:05:19,100 --> 00:05:21,166 till, you know, shortly after I met him 78 00:05:21,166 --> 00:05:22,567 that he was actually married. 79 00:05:24,266 --> 00:05:27,200 One day, I don't know if he came over my house I talked to him 80 00:05:27,367 --> 00:05:29,100 and I asked him, I was looking for a job. 81 00:05:30,266 --> 00:05:33,500 He said, "Well, what would you do for $50,000?" 82 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:35,567 And I was like, "Anything." You know? 83 00:05:35,567 --> 00:05:40,367 Sixteen, $50,000 sound like a couple million. 84 00:05:40,533 --> 00:05:42,967 And then he asked me to help him kill his wife. 85 00:05:48,867 --> 00:05:50,867 I don't remember 86 00:05:50,867 --> 00:05:52,000 exactly what 87 00:05:52,867 --> 00:05:54,667 I said to him, but I agreed with it. 88 00:05:54,834 --> 00:05:57,567 I agreed to do it. I remember that. 89 00:06:00,900 --> 00:06:02,100 [producer] Were you scared? 90 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:04,467 Yeah, I mean, of course. 91 00:06:04,634 --> 00:06:06,767 You know, I mean, who talks about killing somebody 92 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:10,100 and I -- just blinded by greed, 93 00:06:10,266 --> 00:06:12,367 you know, I didn't really think about backing out, you know, 94 00:06:12,367 --> 00:06:14,100 once I told him yes. 95 00:06:16,567 --> 00:06:19,266 I don't pretend to say that, 96 00:06:19,433 --> 00:06:21,100 you know, that I didn't know 97 00:06:21,266 --> 00:06:23,767 right from wrong. I -- I knew it was wrong. 98 00:06:23,767 --> 00:06:24,900 You know, that was a -- 99 00:06:25,066 --> 00:06:27,100 that was a hard time in my life. 100 00:06:46,166 --> 00:06:48,600 He was to tell her that the truck had broken down, 101 00:06:48,767 --> 00:06:50,867 'cause we'd had the hood propped up to make it look like 102 00:06:51,033 --> 00:06:52,467 it was broke down on the side of the road. 103 00:06:53,767 --> 00:06:56,266 And he wanted me in the bushes, waiting. 104 00:07:00,567 --> 00:07:02,400 He pulls up, 105 00:07:02,567 --> 00:07:05,100 and he has her hold the flashlight 106 00:07:05,266 --> 00:07:06,767 in front of the -- on the hood. 107 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:11,667 And while he gets in the driver's seat 108 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:14,266 and starts the truck up, you know, 109 00:07:14,266 --> 00:07:17,500 and the signal was, you know, when he revved the engine. 110 00:07:17,667 --> 00:07:18,867 [engine revs] 111 00:07:19,033 --> 00:07:21,266 [suspenseful music plays] 112 00:07:21,433 --> 00:07:24,266 That's when I ran up the small hill and hit her 113 00:07:24,266 --> 00:07:26,166 with -- hit her with the bat twice. 114 00:07:28,166 --> 00:07:29,200 [producer #2] Did it knock her out? 115 00:07:29,367 --> 00:07:30,767 No. 116 00:07:30,767 --> 00:07:32,400 The first one didn't, and the second one 117 00:07:32,567 --> 00:07:35,533 knocked her to her knees. I remember that. 118 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,166 [producer #2] Shaun takes the bat from you. 119 00:07:40,333 --> 00:07:43,800 -Right. -[producer #2] And he continues to hit her. 120 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:46,600 [ominous chord strike] 121 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,367 How are you feeling in this moment? 122 00:07:51,367 --> 00:07:53,166 You must have been scared out of your mind. 123 00:07:53,166 --> 00:07:54,667 [stammers] I was. 124 00:07:54,667 --> 00:07:56,066 I remember crawling up 125 00:07:56,233 --> 00:07:58,767 in the passenger side of the seat after that. 126 00:07:58,934 --> 00:08:03,900 And in my mind, all I see is it plays over and over again 127 00:08:04,066 --> 00:08:06,200 is seeing him doing that. 128 00:08:06,367 --> 00:08:09,100 And that's what haunts me more than anything. 129 00:08:10,767 --> 00:08:11,867 There's no 130 00:08:12,767 --> 00:08:14,667 there's no quitting at that point. 131 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:17,200 [producer #2] And then what happened? 132 00:08:21,367 --> 00:08:23,467 You know, I understand that this is important, 133 00:08:24,567 --> 00:08:27,500 but I also understand that Trisha's family 134 00:08:27,667 --> 00:08:28,967 is gonna watch this. 135 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,500 And I'm... 136 00:08:33,467 --> 00:08:38,367 I -- I don't want them to have to relive the details, you know. 137 00:08:38,367 --> 00:08:40,166 They -- they know 'em. I've told 'em. 138 00:08:45,867 --> 00:08:47,967 [soft music plays] 139 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:56,900 Yeah. 140 00:08:59,367 --> 00:09:01,767 That's a picture of the crime scene with... 141 00:09:04,266 --> 00:09:05,367 her body there. 142 00:09:06,967 --> 00:09:09,066 [music continues] 143 00:09:11,367 --> 00:09:12,467 Crazy. 144 00:09:17,867 --> 00:09:21,066 In doing a job like this, you end up -- you end up having 145 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:23,867 things in your mind you can't 146 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:26,066 unthink. 147 00:09:26,233 --> 00:09:30,166 And, you know, I certainly, to this day, it's been 148 00:09:30,166 --> 00:09:32,400 28 years, 27 years. 149 00:09:32,567 --> 00:09:34,767 You know, I still have those in my mind. 150 00:09:34,934 --> 00:09:36,100 I do think about her. 151 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,400 She was, you know, she was living her life. 152 00:09:40,567 --> 00:09:41,667 And she thought, you know, 153 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,900 obviously nothing, you don't ever fathom anything 154 00:09:46,066 --> 00:09:47,867 like this happening to you. And I... 155 00:09:48,967 --> 00:09:52,500 She was, I mean, from what I was told by everybody, 156 00:09:52,667 --> 00:09:55,567 she was a great person. And she... 157 00:09:56,767 --> 00:09:58,266 she was brutally murdered. 158 00:10:01,266 --> 00:10:03,266 At the time, 159 00:10:03,433 --> 00:10:06,066 on the media, it was being displayed 160 00:10:06,233 --> 00:10:09,100 as a traffic accident. 161 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:11,166 But I would say we believed from the outset 162 00:10:11,333 --> 00:10:13,300 that it was a murder. 163 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,133 Yeah. 164 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,567 That's the baseball bat that was used 165 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,634 in the death of Trish Stemple. 166 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:35,266 Shaun Stemple went to the house, picked her up under the premise 167 00:10:35,433 --> 00:10:39,767 that his car had broken down. He got her out to the scene. 168 00:10:39,767 --> 00:10:42,567 Once she got out of the car, Terry 169 00:10:43,867 --> 00:10:48,200 began to beat her with a bat, and they had a bat that was 170 00:10:48,367 --> 00:10:49,700 wrapped in saran wrap 171 00:10:51,166 --> 00:10:56,000 as part of their premeditation, and he began to beat on Trisha. 172 00:10:59,567 --> 00:11:01,300 And at some point, 173 00:11:02,266 --> 00:11:06,000 Shaun became dissatisfied with that and took the bat himself 174 00:11:06,166 --> 00:11:10,200 and beat his wife, probably at least 30 times. 175 00:11:18,867 --> 00:11:21,166 [soft music plays] 176 00:11:21,333 --> 00:11:23,367 [Brett] I think it was survival. She was fighting. 177 00:11:24,367 --> 00:11:27,467 I mean, you don't know what somebody would be thinking. 178 00:11:28,467 --> 00:11:29,900 I'm sure she was thinking, "Why?" 179 00:11:30,066 --> 00:11:32,166 But, you know, I think 180 00:11:32,166 --> 00:11:35,166 she was fighting. And ultimately, 181 00:11:35,333 --> 00:11:37,600 um, she's run over by the truck. 182 00:11:39,567 --> 00:11:41,667 [soft eerie music plays] 183 00:11:46,467 --> 00:11:47,567 This is the truck. 184 00:11:51,967 --> 00:11:53,700 Yeah, that is the truck that was used. 185 00:11:55,767 --> 00:11:57,867 I wish you could see that right bumper. 186 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,500 There was actually her handprint 187 00:12:02,667 --> 00:12:04,767 was on the right front bumper, 188 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:06,467 uh, visible. 189 00:12:06,467 --> 00:12:09,900 So that goes to her fighting. 190 00:12:12,367 --> 00:12:15,967 She had crawled, I think, probably a couple feet. 191 00:12:16,133 --> 00:12:18,166 I mean, again, I mean, she was just a fighter. 192 00:12:18,333 --> 00:12:20,200 And they drove over her again. 193 00:12:22,667 --> 00:12:23,834 And... 194 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:29,000 I mean, I get choked up about it, but the severity of -- 195 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,100 of her injuries were -- were 196 00:12:31,266 --> 00:12:33,066 gruesome, um. 197 00:12:33,233 --> 00:12:37,367 It was some things that are unimaginable, what -- why 198 00:12:37,367 --> 00:12:39,066 a human being would do that to another. 199 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,467 She was just a good person, and the way she died was, um, 200 00:12:45,467 --> 00:12:46,867 was horrible. 201 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,567 I think, at some point, he just decided that the only 202 00:12:59,567 --> 00:13:01,200 way he was gonna be able to deal with that 203 00:13:01,367 --> 00:13:03,000 was to get rid of his wife. 204 00:13:04,166 --> 00:13:07,800 We further developed that there was a insurance policy 205 00:13:07,967 --> 00:13:09,767 of around a million dollars. 206 00:13:09,934 --> 00:13:13,300 We came to the determination that Shaun Stemple was 207 00:13:13,467 --> 00:13:14,467 the person that did it. 208 00:13:14,467 --> 00:13:18,000 And we ultimately came to the conclusion 209 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,166 that Terry Hunt had helped him. 210 00:13:21,166 --> 00:13:24,467 And so, I wanna make it perfectly clear that both 211 00:13:24,634 --> 00:13:26,467 of them are equally liable, 212 00:13:27,367 --> 00:13:30,166 responsible for this horrendous act. 213 00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:33,200 And there's no way around that. 214 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:37,500 I mean, what Terry Hunt did was evil. 215 00:13:37,667 --> 00:13:40,467 And I'm not gonna sugarcoat that. 216 00:13:40,467 --> 00:13:43,367 I mean, he was sentenced to life 217 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:48,166 for his evil acts. And I feel comfortable in that. 218 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,033 [James] That's Terry. 219 00:14:00,567 --> 00:14:04,367 Yeah, he looks worried to me, and he should be worried. 220 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:06,967 Yeah, he had just 221 00:14:08,266 --> 00:14:11,567 been involved in something very, very, very, very bad. 222 00:14:19,367 --> 00:14:21,600 Well, I was hoping it wasn't true, of course. 223 00:14:23,467 --> 00:14:26,867 I was devastated. I was devastated 224 00:14:26,867 --> 00:14:28,500 my son was involved in it. 225 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,767 It was a very vicious, bloody crime. 226 00:14:35,767 --> 00:14:36,867 No doubt about it. 227 00:14:39,166 --> 00:14:42,767 I didn't think that I ever brought him up that way. 228 00:14:42,767 --> 00:14:44,767 I never did. 229 00:14:44,767 --> 00:14:47,500 And it was the most brutalist crime 230 00:14:47,667 --> 00:14:50,266 that there was in Oklahoma. 231 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:03,000 Well, Terry was pretty smart, 232 00:15:04,266 --> 00:15:05,367 pretty normal. 233 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,400 We did a little fishing. We did a little camping. 234 00:15:10,567 --> 00:15:13,700 We had a great time, as far as I know. 235 00:15:13,867 --> 00:15:17,867 He didn't start getting off the, you know, 236 00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:19,467 until he was around 14. 237 00:15:30,367 --> 00:15:32,867 [James] You become the company that you keep. 238 00:15:33,033 --> 00:15:34,467 Says it in the Bible. 239 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:40,667 He did drugs and did whatever he wanted to do, and that got 240 00:15:40,667 --> 00:15:43,700 Terry off the, you know, way off the path 241 00:15:43,867 --> 00:15:45,166 of doing right. 242 00:15:49,066 --> 00:15:50,767 [ominous music plays] 243 00:15:50,934 --> 00:15:52,900 I'd take him to school and he'd beat me home. 244 00:15:54,266 --> 00:15:57,000 You know, we didn't live that far from the school, 245 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,367 but if we dropped him off, we figured that he'd go, 246 00:16:00,367 --> 00:16:04,200 so we got him in the car, took him, dropped him off. 247 00:16:04,367 --> 00:16:08,600 And when we got home, there he was, you know? 248 00:16:08,767 --> 00:16:10,300 So we called the school. 249 00:16:12,767 --> 00:16:16,166 They sent the policeman out there, you know? 250 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,900 And the policeman told Terry, 251 00:16:20,867 --> 00:16:22,100 "You got a choice here. 252 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:25,100 "You can either go to school or you can go downtown and live 253 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:27,900 off the street, whatever you wanna do." 254 00:16:28,066 --> 00:16:29,734 He said, "I'll live off the street." 255 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,266 So they took him downtown and dropped him off. 256 00:16:35,767 --> 00:16:40,100 One thing that he did that, you know, scary to me, 257 00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:41,300 he took my gun. 258 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,100 Yeah. 259 00:16:59,467 --> 00:17:02,266 I knew it was getting worse, but there was nothing 260 00:17:02,266 --> 00:17:04,100 I could do about it. 261 00:17:04,266 --> 00:17:08,000 You know, he refused to come home. 262 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,500 And he got in with Stemples and, you know, 263 00:17:12,667 --> 00:17:14,600 and that woman got killed, you know? 264 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:23,200 [ominous music plays] 265 00:17:24,467 --> 00:17:25,900 Well, I remember 266 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,300 the day after, 267 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:32,567 I came back and I -- and I 268 00:17:33,467 --> 00:17:35,200 forced myself to go to sleep. 269 00:17:35,367 --> 00:17:37,700 And I remember the day after, you know, 270 00:17:37,867 --> 00:17:39,667 I'd -- I'd seen it on the news. 271 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:42,667 You know, I looked out. 272 00:17:42,667 --> 00:17:44,867 You know, I'd constantly be looking out the window, 273 00:17:44,867 --> 00:17:46,567 you know, thinking, "They're coming." 274 00:17:46,734 --> 00:17:48,000 And there was just... 275 00:17:48,967 --> 00:17:51,500 And I would just throw myself on the bed crying, you know? 276 00:17:51,667 --> 00:17:53,600 I mean, it's -- it's like it scarred me, 277 00:17:53,767 --> 00:17:55,467 you know what I mean? 278 00:17:57,900 --> 00:18:02,300 There wasn't nothing, there wasn't no, you know, 279 00:18:02,467 --> 00:18:05,567 like celebration or nothing crazy like that. 280 00:18:05,567 --> 00:18:07,266 It was, it -- it -- 281 00:18:07,266 --> 00:18:10,100 it bothered me, you know, as it slowly sunk in 282 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:14,000 that this was, you know, we'd killed somebody. 283 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,867 We did the absolute worst thing you can do 284 00:18:16,033 --> 00:18:17,300 as a human being. 285 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:21,166 Whether you get caught or not, you don't get away with murder. 286 00:18:21,166 --> 00:18:22,967 You know, it -- it -- 287 00:18:23,133 --> 00:18:24,400 it haunts you. 288 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,100 It's something that's internal, and there ain't no punishment 289 00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:30,467 externally that anybody could do to you, even life in prison 290 00:18:30,467 --> 00:18:34,000 or the death penalty, that would, that can be any worse 291 00:18:34,166 --> 00:18:36,634 than what you do to yourself in your own mind. 292 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:41,667 So, I mean, there's -- there -- I'm walking around 293 00:18:41,834 --> 00:18:44,767 with the torment and worried about going to jail. 294 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:03,600 We set up in the interrogation room, 295 00:19:03,767 --> 00:19:06,967 me and this cop, for, I don't know, something like hours, 296 00:19:07,133 --> 00:19:09,667 but it was probably maybe an hour or so, and the detective 297 00:19:09,834 --> 00:19:11,767 come in and let me talk to my lawyer. 298 00:19:11,767 --> 00:19:13,767 My lawyer was like, man, I mean, 299 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,400 he's pretty much, "They got you." 300 00:19:17,567 --> 00:19:22,100 And I just, I said, "I'll tell 'em." 301 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:24,266 [eerie music plays] 302 00:19:50,967 --> 00:19:53,266 You know, in my mind, I play it. 303 00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:56,400 And, like, I play that part over and over again. 304 00:19:57,667 --> 00:19:59,367 And it was... 305 00:19:59,367 --> 00:20:00,800 it was -- I can't 306 00:20:00,967 --> 00:20:03,800 pinpoint the exact number of it, 307 00:20:03,967 --> 00:20:05,867 but I know that it was -- it was quite a lot. 308 00:20:06,033 --> 00:20:06,967 You know, I mean... 309 00:20:07,133 --> 00:20:08,100 Yeah. 310 00:20:09,567 --> 00:20:10,667 Right. 311 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,300 Right. 312 00:20:33,967 --> 00:20:36,567 [Terry] When I was at the preliminary hearing, 313 00:20:36,734 --> 00:20:38,867 when you get in them situations, 314 00:20:39,033 --> 00:20:40,500 you want it to be over with. 315 00:20:40,667 --> 00:20:44,800 You wanna get it over with as quick as possible. 316 00:20:44,967 --> 00:20:46,467 You know, and after the preliminary hearing, 317 00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:53,100 I laid in my rack, and I thought about it, you know, and -- 318 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:54,367 and I remembered that, you know. 319 00:20:54,533 --> 00:20:57,900 I mean, I didn't forget I did that, but I knew I didn't 320 00:20:58,066 --> 00:21:00,100 tell them that at the preliminary hearing. 321 00:21:00,266 --> 00:21:01,967 And I knew that that was, you know, 322 00:21:02,133 --> 00:21:04,667 something that happened and that needed to be told and so, 323 00:21:04,834 --> 00:21:07,266 the next time I talked to -- to the lawyers, 324 00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:09,600 you know, I told them that. You know, I mean, 325 00:21:09,767 --> 00:21:11,367 that didn't help my case, you know. 326 00:21:11,367 --> 00:21:16,166 In fact, that made me more culpable than what I was prior. 327 00:21:27,767 --> 00:21:28,867 Right. 328 00:21:34,467 --> 00:21:37,000 I can recall, I think he rolled over 329 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,800 trying to drive over her head. I remember that. 330 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,400 Right. Over her chest. 331 00:21:56,467 --> 00:21:57,567 Yes. 332 00:22:08,266 --> 00:22:09,300 I didn't know what to do. 333 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:12,467 I was just kinda... I don't wanna say autopilot, 334 00:22:12,467 --> 00:22:16,166 but he was directing it, and he's telling me, 335 00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:17,400 you know, what to do. 336 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:24,200 Well, like he'd come, he'd tell me to like, you know, 337 00:22:24,367 --> 00:22:27,166 help him move her, and you know. 338 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,066 Oh, yeah. 339 00:22:33,233 --> 00:22:34,767 He -- he was -- 340 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,266 he was definitely in charge. 341 00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:41,100 [ominous music plays] 342 00:23:11,367 --> 00:23:13,367 I think -- I think I'm living my punishment. 343 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,266 You know, I think. 344 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:21,500 I mean, I -- I -- and while I hope, you know, to get out, 345 00:23:21,667 --> 00:23:25,000 you know, I'd like to get out and do something. 346 00:23:25,166 --> 00:23:28,300 I know I owe a big debt to, you know, to a lot of people, 347 00:23:28,467 --> 00:23:31,400 to society, and I'd like to do something to... 348 00:23:32,867 --> 00:23:35,667 make my life count, you know, 'cause in prison, 349 00:23:35,667 --> 00:23:38,767 you're kind of, it's like everything's on pause. 350 00:23:38,767 --> 00:23:42,300 I've been in almost 30 years, and, you know, I don't know 351 00:23:42,467 --> 00:23:45,667 if I'm any closer to getting out than I was, you know, 352 00:23:45,834 --> 00:23:47,166 30 years ago. 353 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:55,400 All right. 354 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,567 [producer #2] If you could just tell me your name. 355 00:24:08,667 --> 00:24:10,800 My name's Maureen Hunt. 356 00:24:10,967 --> 00:24:13,900 [producer #2] And how are you related to Terry Hunt? 357 00:24:14,066 --> 00:24:15,066 I'm Terry's wife. 358 00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:30,166 In the state of Oklahoma, you can throw a rock and hit 359 00:24:30,333 --> 00:24:32,867 somebody who has a loved one that's incarcerated. 360 00:24:32,867 --> 00:24:36,166 And so, I have some really good friends, 361 00:24:36,166 --> 00:24:38,100 whose son was incarcerated. 362 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,800 And so I was introduced to Terry. 363 00:24:41,967 --> 00:24:45,667 "This is a guy who I think that you would get along with." 364 00:24:45,667 --> 00:24:49,667 You know, "He's a great guy." And so we started writing. 365 00:24:49,834 --> 00:24:51,367 He's a great writer. 366 00:24:51,367 --> 00:24:54,066 And so we wrote back and forth a lot. 367 00:24:54,233 --> 00:24:59,000 And, you know, it was like six months before he actually 368 00:24:59,166 --> 00:25:00,700 told me about his crime. 369 00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:03,400 He wrote me a letter and said, um, 370 00:25:03,567 --> 00:25:08,300 "I -- I wanna go ahead and talk to you about my crime." 371 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,867 Because I think we were both really enjoying 372 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:15,900 each other's company, and he didn't want 373 00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:18,066 to get too far into it, 374 00:25:18,233 --> 00:25:21,367 even as a friend, and then tell me what happened 375 00:25:21,533 --> 00:25:23,667 for me to turn around and say, "I'm out." 376 00:25:25,867 --> 00:25:29,867 And so I did what everybody else did, and I got online, 377 00:25:29,867 --> 00:25:32,800 and same thing, "Terry Lee Hunt," you know. 378 00:25:32,967 --> 00:25:34,900 And it pops up. And... 379 00:25:36,266 --> 00:25:37,367 saw that headline. 380 00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:42,100 I thought, "Yeah, this is not your average... 381 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,066 murder." This is...um, 382 00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:47,266 this is bad. 383 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,767 Yeah, that's, um, 384 00:25:55,767 --> 00:25:58,800 that's probably the first headline that comes up when 385 00:25:58,967 --> 00:26:02,667 you Google him -- "Teen Beat Woman to Death on Tulsa Road." 386 00:26:02,834 --> 00:26:04,867 I have friends who've lived here for a long time, 387 00:26:04,867 --> 00:26:07,867 and they remember this crime. It was notorious. 388 00:26:09,367 --> 00:26:12,000 And it made me really sad because I thought, 389 00:26:12,166 --> 00:26:15,266 "This isn't the guy I've gotten to know at all." 390 00:26:15,433 --> 00:26:16,467 I can't. 391 00:26:16,467 --> 00:26:19,767 I could not wrap my head around it, to be honest. 392 00:26:19,934 --> 00:26:23,367 But according to Terry, "Teen Beat Woman to Death" 393 00:26:23,367 --> 00:26:25,567 is not accurate at all. 394 00:26:25,734 --> 00:26:28,000 Terry did not beat her to death with a bat. 395 00:26:29,467 --> 00:26:32,200 He started to. You know, he hit her twice. 396 00:26:32,367 --> 00:26:35,667 And then he told Shaun, "I can't do it, I can't do it." 397 00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:45,266 There were three people out there that night, and only one 398 00:26:45,433 --> 00:26:48,900 of them is still alive. Shaun was executed in 2012. 399 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,367 How do I know I'm getting the whole story from this guy? 400 00:26:54,367 --> 00:26:58,600 And so I took a year to make sure that he was exactly who he 401 00:26:58,767 --> 00:27:02,767 said he was, and not who the internet said he was. 402 00:27:02,934 --> 00:27:04,567 I confronted him a lot. 403 00:27:04,567 --> 00:27:08,867 I go to visit with my list of questions, and ask him, 404 00:27:08,867 --> 00:27:11,000 because I had to know the answers. 405 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,266 And it was difficult. 406 00:27:13,367 --> 00:27:14,700 I was ashamed of what he did. 407 00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:20,367 But I feel like the person 408 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,767 that Terry was then 409 00:27:24,667 --> 00:27:28,567 was a completely different person than I know now, 410 00:27:28,734 --> 00:27:29,667 28 years later. 411 00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:32,400 People are led, 412 00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:35,600 and 16-year-olds are even easier to lead. 413 00:27:35,767 --> 00:27:36,767 And Shaun knew that. 414 00:27:36,767 --> 00:27:38,100 He knew exactly what he was doing 415 00:27:38,266 --> 00:27:39,667 when he was grooming Terry. 416 00:27:41,367 --> 00:27:44,700 Terry was manipulated by Shaun. 417 00:27:44,867 --> 00:27:47,100 I believe in him so much. I have so much hope. 418 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:49,800 And, you know, hopefully the world will see 419 00:27:49,967 --> 00:27:51,166 him for who he is. 420 00:27:55,467 --> 00:27:56,867 [James] Stemples made him do it. 421 00:27:58,166 --> 00:28:00,867 He was forced to do what he had to do. 422 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,066 [producer #2] You think he was forced? 423 00:28:03,233 --> 00:28:04,967 Oh, yeah, he was forced. 424 00:28:05,133 --> 00:28:08,000 I don't think that -- I don't think that he was brought up 425 00:28:09,367 --> 00:28:12,367 to do that, and I don't think that he had the courage 426 00:28:12,367 --> 00:28:13,467 to do that. 427 00:28:14,767 --> 00:28:17,900 He was pressured. You know, he was, uh, 428 00:28:18,066 --> 00:28:22,367 Stemples, the guy that hired him to help him 429 00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:23,834 kill his wife, 430 00:28:24,467 --> 00:28:31,066 he had threatened him about me and my wife and my other son, 431 00:28:31,233 --> 00:28:33,266 said, "If you don't go through with this, 432 00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:34,867 I'm gonna kill them." 433 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,667 And that's, you know, that's how he got involved deeper. 434 00:28:43,867 --> 00:28:46,800 I wish he'd have told me. You know what I mean? 435 00:28:46,967 --> 00:28:51,667 He was, uh, took advantage of because he was a young kid, 436 00:28:51,834 --> 00:28:52,967 and this guy was a coach. 437 00:28:55,166 --> 00:28:59,367 You know, if you got a coach, he can -- he can 438 00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:01,767 manipulate kids. That's what he does. 439 00:29:03,467 --> 00:29:06,367 Now he's paid for what he did, you know? 440 00:29:06,533 --> 00:29:08,500 Now he's looking for chance to get out, 441 00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:10,967 and that's what he -- what he deserves. 442 00:29:11,133 --> 00:29:12,800 He deserves one more chance. 443 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,100 That's Shaun Stemple. 444 00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:33,000 I really don't think much of this guy. 445 00:29:34,066 --> 00:29:35,166 I mean, he's 446 00:29:36,066 --> 00:29:37,166 pathetic. 447 00:29:38,367 --> 00:29:40,500 I think he's a very good manipulator. 448 00:29:40,667 --> 00:29:43,400 I think he -- that's what he thrived with. 449 00:29:43,567 --> 00:29:48,667 He was very accomplished in his profession as a soccer coach, 450 00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:50,967 so he had a little bit of a reputation, I believe, 451 00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:55,200 for having some charisma, and people liked him. 452 00:29:55,367 --> 00:29:59,700 And I think that he used that to gain whatever he wanted. 453 00:29:59,867 --> 00:30:03,166 I think that's just a part of his personality. 454 00:30:03,333 --> 00:30:06,667 He just seemed very controlling and manipulating, and, I mean, 455 00:30:06,667 --> 00:30:08,000 exactly what he was. 456 00:30:10,467 --> 00:30:14,000 Terry was so young. He's just a kid. 457 00:30:14,166 --> 00:30:18,767 Terry was very vulnerable, and as any predator does, 458 00:30:18,934 --> 00:30:20,767 they're gonna pick somebody they can manipulate, 459 00:30:20,767 --> 00:30:22,867 and that's -- that's exactly what happened here. 460 00:30:22,867 --> 00:30:25,567 He was ripe for the picking because of his age 461 00:30:25,567 --> 00:30:27,000 and his problems he was having. 462 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:33,867 But he was just as guilty and just as involved 463 00:30:33,867 --> 00:30:36,266 as Shaun Stemple, plain and simple. 464 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,367 In fact, there was another attempt prior. 465 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,266 My understanding was a couple weeks prior to the actual 466 00:30:59,433 --> 00:31:03,667 murder, they had made a tentative date 467 00:31:03,667 --> 00:31:05,100 to commit the crime, 468 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,667 and they ended up not being able to do that 469 00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:11,467 because they could not get Trisha to go along with it. 470 00:31:11,634 --> 00:31:12,500 She wasn't feeling well. 471 00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,934 I believe she was ill at the time. 472 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,567 Yeah, me and Nate were out there waiting, 473 00:31:20,567 --> 00:31:22,166 and she was supposed to show up. 474 00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:25,100 And then, when 475 00:31:25,266 --> 00:31:28,266 we seen the car pull up, it was Shaun. 476 00:31:29,367 --> 00:31:31,000 You know, and he was saying that she was sick 477 00:31:31,166 --> 00:31:32,400 and couldn't come. 478 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:37,100 And so they had to change plans. 479 00:31:40,567 --> 00:31:42,967 Terry Hunt knew what he was doing. 480 00:31:43,133 --> 00:31:45,300 He had many times to say no, and he chose not to. 481 00:32:13,767 --> 00:32:14,967 Yeah, I mean, 482 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,166 I did have the two weeks, and I've heard the detective 483 00:32:19,166 --> 00:32:21,800 say that, you know, "This guy had two weeks to change 484 00:32:21,967 --> 00:32:25,200 his mind, and." During those two weeks 485 00:32:25,367 --> 00:32:27,200 I thought that there would always be something that would 486 00:32:27,367 --> 00:32:30,467 come up, you know, that this, like, I never really believed 487 00:32:30,634 --> 00:32:31,800 that this would ever happen. 488 00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:34,467 It didn't become real to me 489 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,200 until it started happening, until, you know, they pulled up 490 00:32:39,367 --> 00:32:40,367 and she was there. 491 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,266 Just looking, looking back. 492 00:32:43,433 --> 00:32:45,100 If I could take that back, that would... 493 00:32:46,166 --> 00:32:47,700 I know that her family misses her, 494 00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:52,066 and I'd hope that they know that I know 495 00:32:52,233 --> 00:32:54,467 that I've hurt 'em, 496 00:32:54,467 --> 00:32:56,066 and I'd hope they know that I'm sorry. 497 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,667 Why -- why should people believe -- 498 00:33:15,834 --> 00:33:17,567 believe you now? 499 00:33:17,567 --> 00:33:19,166 Is there anything you can say to... 500 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,367 That's a tough question because, 501 00:33:24,533 --> 00:33:26,567 you know, I mean,\⁠ people -- people -- 502 00:33:26,734 --> 00:33:28,700 I mean, I understand I'm in prison. 503 00:33:28,867 --> 00:33:29,700 I'm in prison for murder, 504 00:33:29,867 --> 00:33:32,467 and I've tried to educate myself. 505 00:33:32,634 --> 00:33:36,767 I got my GED when I first come to prison, you know. 506 00:33:36,767 --> 00:33:38,867 I've earned an associate's degree. 507 00:33:40,166 --> 00:33:41,800 I almost got my bachelor's degree. 508 00:33:43,767 --> 00:33:48,266 I've talked to young kids, you know, kids they brought 509 00:33:48,433 --> 00:33:50,000 into the prison. 510 00:33:50,166 --> 00:33:54,166 I've tried to use my time as wisely as possible and try 511 00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:56,400 to contribute wherever I can. 512 00:33:56,567 --> 00:33:59,300 I would like to think that, you know, that, 513 00:33:59,467 --> 00:34:02,700 you know, I've done enough to show that I'm... 514 00:34:02,867 --> 00:34:04,700 [stammers] 515 00:34:04,867 --> 00:34:07,066 better, you know, that I've improved myself, 516 00:34:07,233 --> 00:34:08,367 that I've -- I've grown up, 517 00:34:08,367 --> 00:34:10,100 I've matured, 518 00:34:10,266 --> 00:34:13,100 you know, and that I have something to offer, you know. 519 00:34:13,266 --> 00:34:16,300 If they let me out, that I have something that I can give back. 520 00:34:17,767 --> 00:34:20,266 [producer #2] I think essentially, you're asking people 521 00:34:20,266 --> 00:34:22,400 to kind of make a leap of faith. 522 00:34:22,567 --> 00:34:25,567 I mean, that's what parole boards do every time 523 00:34:25,734 --> 00:34:27,367 they recommend somebody for parole 524 00:34:27,533 --> 00:34:32,000 because at the end of the day, you know, only you know 525 00:34:32,166 --> 00:34:33,767 what you think and what you're gonna do. 526 00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:47,200 [Maureen] When Terry proposed to me, I knew for the rest of my life 527 00:34:47,367 --> 00:34:50,000 I was going to be the wife of a murderer, 528 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,967 even after he was out of prison. 529 00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:56,667 And I had to face him, face to face, 530 00:34:56,667 --> 00:34:59,100 and look at him in the eye 531 00:34:59,266 --> 00:35:02,166 and reconcile that in my mind. 532 00:35:02,166 --> 00:35:04,200 And that took a while, you know? 533 00:35:05,567 --> 00:35:08,467 It took a while for me to get past that 534 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,967 because that's not the man that I know now. 535 00:35:14,266 --> 00:35:17,000 I have no reason not to believe him. 536 00:35:19,467 --> 00:35:22,400 And I do feel like he is remorseful, and I do feel like 537 00:35:22,567 --> 00:35:26,667 he's compassionate and a good person and someone that I love 538 00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:28,367 so much and believe in so much 539 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:31,266 that I did end up marrying them. 540 00:35:33,266 --> 00:35:35,300 I could have just turned my back on him, 541 00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:37,567 like everybody else has, 542 00:35:37,567 --> 00:35:40,166 especially last year when he didn't make parole. 543 00:35:40,166 --> 00:35:44,767 That was, oh, God, that was one of the hardest days of my life. 544 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:46,700 I could have just turned my back and said, 545 00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:49,867 "I can't do this anymore." And he was 546 00:35:50,967 --> 00:35:53,000 terrified that I was gonna walk away. 547 00:36:04,266 --> 00:36:07,567 No, I never thought about it, because walking away would have 548 00:36:07,734 --> 00:36:11,400 been abandoning the best thing that ever happened to me. 549 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:31,467 He said, "Well, what would you do for $50,000?" 550 00:36:31,467 --> 00:36:33,700 I was like, "Anything," you know? 551 00:36:33,867 --> 00:36:37,367 Sixteen, $50,000 sounds like a couple million. 552 00:36:37,533 --> 00:36:43,266 I don't pretend to say that I didn't know right from wrong. 553 00:36:43,266 --> 00:36:45,634 I knew it was wrong. You know, and... 554 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,867 [producer #1] And that's where the greed comes in. 555 00:36:49,867 --> 00:36:50,967 That's where the greed comes in. 556 00:36:53,266 --> 00:36:54,667 [producer #2] I can see it upsets you. 557 00:36:57,667 --> 00:36:58,767 You know, that was a -- 558 00:36:59,667 --> 00:37:01,100 that was a hard time in my life. 559 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,300 It's hard to see that. 560 00:37:11,467 --> 00:37:13,800 I've never seen him cry, I'm -- 561 00:37:13,967 --> 00:37:17,767 the day that he called me after the parole board denied him, 562 00:37:17,934 --> 00:37:20,567 he called me on the phone, and I had to say, 563 00:37:20,734 --> 00:37:21,767 "They said no." 564 00:37:21,767 --> 00:37:24,867 And he cried, and I had to hear him cry, 565 00:37:24,867 --> 00:37:26,767 and all he would say is, 566 00:37:26,767 --> 00:37:28,800 "I'm sorry I can't come home to you. 567 00:37:28,967 --> 00:37:31,500 I'm sorry I can't come home to you." 568 00:37:31,667 --> 00:37:34,266 And that's the only time I've ever heard him cry. 569 00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:36,166 And that was tough. 570 00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:38,100 It was really hard. 571 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:41,066 Twenty eight years later, he still has nightmares about it. 572 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,567 It's not something he'll ever forget. 573 00:37:44,734 --> 00:37:46,100 The crime will never change. 574 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:47,967 You can't go back and erase that. 575 00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:50,800 That's history. Yeah, that's history. 576 00:37:50,967 --> 00:37:52,300 And if he could go back and change it, 577 00:37:52,467 --> 00:37:54,166 of course he would. 578 00:37:54,333 --> 00:37:56,667 I don't look at him and look at him and think, 579 00:37:56,834 --> 00:38:00,567 "This guy's a killer." He's grown into the kind of man 580 00:38:00,734 --> 00:38:02,800 who deserves a second chance. 581 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,667 [Brett] I believe he's entitled to... 582 00:38:20,667 --> 00:38:22,800 to have a consideration to be let out, 583 00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:24,166 so that, I thought maybe 584 00:38:24,333 --> 00:38:27,500 my unique involvement might help. 585 00:38:27,667 --> 00:38:31,867 You know, my oldest, my son, is an addict, and is sober 586 00:38:31,867 --> 00:38:34,967 10 years now, but that's definitely 587 00:38:35,133 --> 00:38:37,066 changed me for the better. 588 00:38:37,233 --> 00:38:40,166 It's made me a better person, it's made me a better lawyer, 589 00:38:40,166 --> 00:38:42,467 and it's made me more empathetic. 590 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:47,867 Terry Hunt was very, very young when he was sentenced to life. 591 00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:52,367 He did a horrible act, despicable, 592 00:38:53,367 --> 00:38:55,367 no excuse. 593 00:38:55,533 --> 00:38:57,867 And in the same breath, he has done the time. 594 00:38:58,867 --> 00:39:02,667 And he hasn't just done the time, he's done the work. 595 00:39:02,834 --> 00:39:07,266 He's very accomplished within the prison system as being 596 00:39:07,266 --> 00:39:10,100 a productive member of that system. 597 00:39:10,266 --> 00:39:13,500 If the system doesn't look at that and say, 598 00:39:13,667 --> 00:39:16,967 "Well, maybe we need to consider letting him out," 599 00:39:17,133 --> 00:39:19,100 then I don't know 600 00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,266 what the system's for. 601 00:39:21,266 --> 00:39:25,200 I don't know what else he can do to better himself or put 602 00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:28,767 himself in a position to be eligible to get out 603 00:39:28,934 --> 00:39:29,867 with a life sentence. 604 00:39:30,033 --> 00:39:32,367 I say all this with the understanding 605 00:39:32,367 --> 00:39:35,166 that the family of Trisha Stemple 606 00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,000 are, um, 607 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,000 in agreement with this. 608 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,800 I would never go against their wishes. 609 00:40:05,967 --> 00:40:09,467 Oh, of course not. I would never, I mean, that's 610 00:40:10,467 --> 00:40:12,567 the furthest thing from my mind. 611 00:40:12,734 --> 00:40:14,266 You know, I mean, that does no good. 612 00:40:14,433 --> 00:40:15,900 Violence is failure. 613 00:40:16,066 --> 00:40:17,667 Violence is...you know, 614 00:40:17,667 --> 00:40:18,900 there's too much of it in this world. 615 00:40:19,066 --> 00:40:21,500 And I know that, you know, people, that's what 616 00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:23,800 people fear is somebody getting out of prison 617 00:40:23,967 --> 00:40:25,100 and harming somebody. 618 00:40:25,266 --> 00:40:27,000 That's why it's so hard to get out of prison. 619 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:36,000 Yeah. 620 00:40:43,767 --> 00:40:45,100 Yeah, I... 621 00:40:47,567 --> 00:40:52,166 I think about her and I pray that she would understand 622 00:40:52,166 --> 00:40:55,367 that I'm sorry that I didn't, 623 00:40:55,533 --> 00:40:58,367 that I ever thought that any amount of money was worth 624 00:40:58,367 --> 00:40:59,500 taking anybody's life. 625 00:41:00,767 --> 00:41:01,867 You know, I'm sorry that I didn't 626 00:41:03,066 --> 00:41:06,467 take them two weeks and go to the police. 627 00:41:06,467 --> 00:41:08,000 That I could have stopped all this, 628 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:10,000 you know, that 629 00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:12,400 I was the one person that could have, 630 00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:16,867 you know, changed the whole outcome, and I didn't. 631 00:41:17,033 --> 00:41:18,467 I failed. 632 00:41:18,634 --> 00:41:22,600 You know, I have faith, and I believe if you pray 633 00:41:22,767 --> 00:41:24,800 for your sins to be forgiven, you know, and you do it 634 00:41:24,967 --> 00:41:26,867 with a sincere heart, God will forgive.