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<i>It is Sunday</i>

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<i>and I'm at Rikers Island</i>

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<i>to see Mark Chapman.</i>

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<i>I'm truly happy</i>

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<i>to be representing you.</i>

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<i>Do you promise that--</i>

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<i>I'll just ask this once
and I won't ask it again.</i>

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<i>You'll stick this out with me?</i>

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<i>I promise.</i>

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<i>And you can ask
that as many times as you like.</i>

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<i>So, tell me what happened.</i>

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<i>Well, this is kind of a crazy thought.</i>

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<i>I thought I would turn into somebody
if I killed somebody.</i>

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<i>What did you think you'd turn into?</i>

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<i>You know the book</i> The Catcher in the Rye<i>?</i>

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- <i>Yeah.</i>
- <i>I had that book on me, you know?</i>

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<i>Yes.</i>

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<i>I thought that I would turn
into the character of the book.</i>

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<i>Now, I realize that--</i>

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<i>What'd you think you'd turn into?</i>

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<i>Holden Caulfield.</i>

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<i>Mark, this is Dr. Milton Kline.</i>

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<i>How are you, Mark? Good to meet you.</i>

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<i>What I'd like you to do, Mark,</i>

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<i>is just focus your eyes up on the ceiling.</i>

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<i>Just begin to close
the eyelids down gently.</i>

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<i>Let the whole body begin to relax now,</i>

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<i>from the top of the head all the way
back to the tips of the toes.</i>

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<i>And feel yourself growing deeper
and deeper relaxed now.</i>

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<i>Deeper and deeper and deeper.</i>

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<i>I'm in a very weird state right now.</i>

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<i>I feel very relaxed.</i>

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<i>It has that effect, doesn't it?</i>

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<i>Try to visualize that scene
for me if you would.</i>

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- <i>The death scene?</i>
- <i>Yeah.</i>

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<i>Okay.
I was sitting down and a car pulled up.</i>

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<i>And I knew it was his, so I said,
"This is it."</i>

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<i>The door opened up.
Yoko got out, and I nodded to her.</i>

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<i>And then he came out.</i>

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<i>I looked at John when he went by.</i>

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<i>And then I stepped out
off that little curb area,</i>

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<i>walked about six feet,
turned and faced him,</i>

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<i>took the gun out of my pocket...</i>

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<i>and aimed it at him,</i>

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<i>and then just fired away.</i>

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<i>All five shots.</i>

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<i>And then they took me away,
and that's when I said,</i>

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<i>"I'm the Catcher in the Rye."</i>

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<i>Do you remember
how you were feeling? Just the feeling.</i>

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<i>It just felt like it wasn't me,
but it was me.</i>

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<i>I did it, and I remember doing it.</i>

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<i>And what part
of your mind made the decision?</i>

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<i>I see a struggle.</i>

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<i>Part of me didn't want to, part of me did.</i>

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<i>All I remember is I had a voice in my head</i>

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<i>that said, "Do it, do it, do it, do it,"
right when he was going past me.</i>

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<i>And I did it.</i>