It is Sunday
and I'm at Rikers Island
to see Mark Chapman.
I'm truly happy
to be representing you.
Do you promise that--
I'll just ask this once and I won't ask it again.
You'll stick this out with me?
I promise.
And you can ask that as many times as you like.
So, tell me what happened.
Well, this is kind of a crazy thought.
I thought I would turn into somebody if I killed somebody.
What did you think you'd turn into?
You know the book The Catcher in the Rye?
- Yeah. - I had that book on me, you know?
Yes.
I thought that I would turn into the character of the book.
Now, I realize that--
What'd you think you'd turn into?
Holden Caulfield.
Mark, this is Dr. Milton Kline.
How are you, Mark? Good to meet you.
What I'd like you to do, Mark,
is just focus your eyes up on the ceiling.
Just begin to close the eyelids down gently.
Let the whole body begin to relax now,
from the top of the head all the way back to the tips of the toes.
And feel yourself growing deeper and deeper relaxed now.
Deeper and deeper and deeper.
I'm in a very weird state right now.
I feel very relaxed.
It has that effect, doesn't it?
Try to visualize that scene for me if you would.
- The death scene? - Yeah.
Okay. I was sitting down and a car pulled up.
And I knew it was his, so I said, "This is it."
The door opened up. Yoko got out, and I nodded to her.
And then he came out.
I looked at John when he went by.
And then I stepped out off that little curb area,
walked about six feet, turned and faced him,
took the gun out of my pocket...
and aimed it at him,
and then just fired away.
All five shots.
And then they took me away, and that's when I said,
"I'm the Catcher in the Rye."
Do you remember how you were feeling? Just the feeling.
It just felt like it wasn't me, but it was me.
I did it, and I remember doing it.
And what part of your mind made the decision?
I see a struggle.
Part of me didn't want to, part of me did.
All I remember is I had a voice in my head
that said, "Do it, do it, do it, do it," right when he was going past me.
And I did it.