1 00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:02,043 [TV static drones] 2 00:00:02,127 --> 00:00:05,005 [bright tone] 3 00:00:11,386 --> 00:00:12,220 [beeping] 4 00:00:12,303 --> 00:00:13,263 - Can I help you? - How you doing? 5 00:00:13,304 --> 00:00:15,682 This is Sergeant Grabowski at GHQ in Boston. 6 00:00:15,765 --> 00:00:18,059 I've got somebody that's, uh, just been shot. 7 00:00:18,143 --> 00:00:19,602 Uh, two people that have just been shot. 8 00:00:19,644 --> 00:00:20,520 I've got him on the phone. 9 00:00:20,603 --> 00:00:22,063 Hold on a minute, please. - Mm-hmm. 10 00:00:22,147 --> 00:00:25,275 [ominous music] 11 00:00:25,316 --> 00:00:28,194 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:28,278 --> 00:00:31,489 - October 23, 1989. 13 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:35,952 ♪ ♪ 14 00:00:35,994 --> 00:00:39,205 A 911 call comes in to state police dispatch. 15 00:00:39,289 --> 00:00:41,249 The first thing the caller says is, 16 00:00:41,332 --> 00:00:43,376 "My wife's been shot. 17 00:00:43,460 --> 00:00:45,128 I've been shot." 18 00:00:50,216 --> 00:00:52,135 - They had been in a birthing class 19 00:00:52,177 --> 00:00:53,970 at Brigham and Women's Hospital. 20 00:00:54,012 --> 00:00:57,474 [sirens wailing] 21 00:00:57,515 --> 00:00:58,683 [beeping] 22 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:42,560 - October 1989, 23 00:01:42,602 --> 00:01:45,479 I was a deputy superintendent shift commander at Boston EMS. 24 00:01:45,563 --> 00:01:48,191 Evidently, the person that was shot 25 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:51,235 called the emergency number on a cellular phone, 26 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:54,239 saying that he was shot and his wife was shot as well. 27 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,701 There's a man shot, and his wife is shot. 28 00:01:57,783 --> 00:01:58,785 They didn't know where they were. 29 00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:23,393 - And during the call, he's getting weaker and weaker. 30 00:03:08,228 --> 00:03:10,190 [line clicks] [dial tone] 31 00:03:25,622 --> 00:03:26,539 - At some point, 32 00:03:26,623 --> 00:03:27,916 about 10 minutes into the call, 33 00:03:27,999 --> 00:03:31,878 he actually stops talking, but the phone is open. 34 00:03:34,422 --> 00:03:36,800 - And that's where the dispatchers, 35 00:03:36,841 --> 00:03:39,719 one of them heard a siren. 36 00:03:46,101 --> 00:03:48,812 - So then they started having cruisers in the field 37 00:03:48,853 --> 00:03:51,981 turn the sirens on, turn the sirens off. 38 00:03:52,023 --> 00:03:53,441 [siren wailing] 39 00:03:56,778 --> 00:03:58,905 - By turning the sirens on and off 40 00:03:58,988 --> 00:04:00,198 of the different cruisers, 41 00:04:00,281 --> 00:04:03,159 they're able to hear one clearly and realize 42 00:04:03,201 --> 00:04:04,327 they're close to the car. 43 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:06,037 - Bravo 2-1, your siren's on. 44 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:07,997 [siren wailing] 45 00:04:19,216 --> 00:04:21,761 - Start to narrow it down pretty quickly, 46 00:04:21,845 --> 00:04:24,055 take a left on St. Alphonsus, and-- 47 00:04:24,139 --> 00:04:25,849 and there was the car. 48 00:04:30,395 --> 00:04:33,064 [dramatic music] 49 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:34,607 ♪ ♪ 50 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:37,569 [indistinct police radio chatter] 51 00:04:37,652 --> 00:04:40,739 [indistinct chatter, shouting] 52 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:46,661 ♪ ♪ 53 00:04:46,745 --> 00:04:48,913 - Step back, step back, step back, step back. 54 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:55,962 ♪ ♪ 55 00:05:09,476 --> 00:05:11,269 - I stayed with Chuck 56 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:12,520 and started taking care of him. 57 00:05:12,604 --> 00:05:14,105 He kept saying over and over, 58 00:05:14,189 --> 00:05:15,273 "Don't take care of me. 59 00:05:15,357 --> 00:05:17,108 Take care of my wife. Take care of my wife." 60 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:20,111 [siren wailing] 61 00:05:20,153 --> 00:05:23,114 [tense music] 62 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:25,950 ♪ ♪ 63 00:05:25,992 --> 00:05:28,953 He had a pretty significant gunshot wound. 64 00:05:35,126 --> 00:05:36,836 - One guy? Two guys? 65 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,963 - First thing he would say was, "Black man." 66 00:05:52,977 --> 00:05:56,231 - He described him as a Black male, about 5'10", 67 00:05:56,314 --> 00:05:58,483 raspy voice, 68 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:00,443 and said that he had fled 69 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:02,195 into the Mission Hill housing project. 70 00:06:02,278 --> 00:06:03,780 - This one's going to City. 71 00:06:03,822 --> 00:06:06,491 The other one went to, uh, Brigham, okay? 72 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:08,410 - They rushed them over to the hospital. 73 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:10,662 [siren wailing] 74 00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:15,834 Carol Stuart would live for about six hours. 75 00:06:15,917 --> 00:06:18,837 There was surgery to remove her baby. 76 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:22,882 Charles Stuart was in bad shape. 77 00:06:22,966 --> 00:06:26,177 He was critically injured, but he was alive. 78 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:29,764 [indistinct chatter] 79 00:06:29,848 --> 00:06:32,517 [solemn music] 80 00:06:32,558 --> 00:06:35,603 - That hurt, buddy? Your belly hurts? 81 00:06:35,687 --> 00:06:37,355 That hurts when I press? 82 00:06:37,397 --> 00:06:39,357 - [groans] - That's it. Don't go up. 83 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,317 - [muffled] Where's my wife? 84 00:06:41,359 --> 00:06:42,527 - She went to another hospital. 85 00:06:42,610 --> 00:06:43,778 We can't keep an update, 86 00:06:43,862 --> 00:06:45,196 'cause we're taking care of you, okay? 87 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:46,281 - Okay. - All right. 88 00:06:46,364 --> 00:06:47,198 - Are you putting in a chest tube? 89 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,199 - No. 90 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:49,534 - Is there someone you want us to call for you? 91 00:06:49,617 --> 00:06:51,619 - He eventually would be well enough 92 00:06:51,703 --> 00:06:53,580 to begin talking to police again 93 00:06:53,663 --> 00:06:55,457 and provide more information. 94 00:06:58,918 --> 00:07:00,587 - We go live now to the department's 95 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:01,838 chief of detectives. 96 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,298 What do we know about the suspect? 97 00:07:03,381 --> 00:07:06,217 [dramatic music] 98 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:07,594 - The police and the mayor 99 00:07:07,677 --> 00:07:09,554 just, uh, briefed us moments ago. 100 00:07:09,637 --> 00:07:11,473 This is what we do know at this hour. 101 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:13,892 Police are looking for a 30-year-old male, 102 00:07:13,975 --> 00:07:15,268 a Black suspect, 103 00:07:15,352 --> 00:07:18,271 in connection with a double shooting. 104 00:07:18,355 --> 00:07:20,440 Doctors managed to save their baby, 105 00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:22,901 performing an emergency cesarean section. 106 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:25,653 The baby is also in critical condition tonight. 107 00:07:25,737 --> 00:07:27,572 Deputy Joseph Dunford, the chief of detectives... 108 00:07:27,655 --> 00:07:29,783 - Once at the hospital, you started to realize 109 00:07:29,866 --> 00:07:33,161 that this was gonna be a much bigger incident. 110 00:07:33,244 --> 00:07:37,457 - The assailant shot the woman in the back of the head. 111 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,334 - It started to get bigger and bigger, 112 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:40,919 and certainly by the next morning, it was-- 113 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,545 I mean, it was on the front page of the "Herald." 114 00:07:42,587 --> 00:07:45,256 And it became a national story rather quickly. 115 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:46,925 ♪ ♪ 116 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:49,094 - The killing of 30-year-old Carol Stuart, 117 00:07:49,177 --> 00:07:50,345 seven months pregnant, 118 00:07:50,428 --> 00:07:52,263 sparked cries of outrage in Boston 119 00:07:52,305 --> 00:07:53,807 and around the country. 120 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:58,436 - This was on every news channel imaginable 121 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:01,940 because of where it happened and what happened. 122 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:03,566 ♪ ♪ 123 00:08:03,608 --> 00:08:07,320 When crimes happen in certain parts of Boston, 124 00:08:07,404 --> 00:08:09,948 we all fit the description, 125 00:08:10,031 --> 00:08:12,117 so we knew what was about to happen. 126 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,120 We knew the hell that was about to descend upon us. 127 00:08:15,161 --> 00:08:19,499 [siren wailing] 128 00:08:19,582 --> 00:08:22,335 - It was open season on Black people. 129 00:08:22,419 --> 00:08:24,879 That's what it was. It was open season. 130 00:08:24,963 --> 00:08:30,885 ♪ ♪ 131 00:08:30,969 --> 00:08:33,096 - The Stuart case, it'll always be there. 132 00:08:33,138 --> 00:08:36,515 It'll always be a focal point of the bad side of Boston. 133 00:08:36,599 --> 00:08:38,351 - I have had enough! 134 00:08:38,434 --> 00:08:40,687 This community has had enough! 135 00:08:40,770 --> 00:08:43,690 - People involved in this case, 136 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:46,943 they are eager to unburden themselves of their thoughts, 137 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:50,196 what it meant at the time, what it still means now. 138 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,073 It's as if we've been waiting 139 00:08:52,157 --> 00:08:54,909 for this case to be just uncorked. 140 00:08:54,993 --> 00:08:56,411 ♪ ♪ 141 00:08:56,494 --> 00:08:58,663 What is it that happened back then, 142 00:08:58,747 --> 00:09:01,416 and what is the impact that it still has on us now? 143 00:09:01,499 --> 00:09:08,673 ♪ ♪ 144 00:09:20,268 --> 00:09:23,396 - Boston is a unique place. 145 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,565 We're constantly coming to terms 146 00:09:25,648 --> 00:09:28,693 with our own paradoxes in this city. 147 00:09:28,735 --> 00:09:31,696 We are really well-known 148 00:09:31,738 --> 00:09:35,200 for our liberal, progressive politics. 149 00:09:35,241 --> 00:09:36,409 [soft music] 150 00:09:36,493 --> 00:09:38,495 We're a highly educated people. 151 00:09:38,536 --> 00:09:40,538 ♪ ♪ 152 00:09:40,622 --> 00:09:44,042 Our universities are the best in the world. 153 00:09:44,084 --> 00:09:46,169 ♪ ♪ 154 00:09:46,211 --> 00:09:49,506 And yet, Boston is also a place that has 155 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:51,716 a really checkered history on race relations, 156 00:09:51,758 --> 00:09:54,094 and it's been a long battle here. 157 00:09:54,177 --> 00:10:01,142 ♪ ♪ 158 00:10:05,647 --> 00:10:08,733 - It's a clannish place. 159 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:10,819 The shamrocks around this are not an illusion. 160 00:10:10,902 --> 00:10:12,237 It's not just for the Boston Celtics. 161 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:13,655 This is an Irish town. 162 00:10:13,738 --> 00:10:15,657 This is theirs. 163 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:19,285 And when you think about the history of this city, 164 00:10:19,369 --> 00:10:22,038 especially if you go way back, 165 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,581 there has always been a split, 166 00:10:23,665 --> 00:10:25,125 that the WASPs controlled the money, 167 00:10:25,208 --> 00:10:27,085 and the Irish controlled the politics. 168 00:10:27,168 --> 00:10:29,462 And the Black people were somewhere in the corner, 169 00:10:29,546 --> 00:10:31,464 trying to get someone's attention 170 00:10:31,548 --> 00:10:33,341 or not get beat up at the same time. 171 00:10:33,425 --> 00:10:34,926 ♪ ♪ 172 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:38,722 The biggest juxtaposition for me as a Bostonian 173 00:10:38,763 --> 00:10:41,975 has been, you had heard this legend of Boston 174 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:45,937 as a birthplace of democracy. 175 00:10:46,021 --> 00:10:50,108 Sumner and Phillips and all of the great abolitionists, 176 00:10:50,191 --> 00:10:53,028 and Frederick Douglass and the 54th Regiment, 177 00:10:53,111 --> 00:10:55,655 all those statues are real, because that's our history. 178 00:10:55,739 --> 00:10:57,449 But then we also have another history as well, 179 00:10:57,490 --> 00:10:58,616 that people will just call this 180 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:00,452 the most racist city in America. 181 00:11:00,493 --> 00:11:01,536 - In Massachusetts, 182 00:11:01,619 --> 00:11:02,662 a white man named Charles Stuart 183 00:11:02,746 --> 00:11:04,039 has been shot by a Black man. 184 00:11:04,122 --> 00:11:05,623 - They were shot by a Black man 185 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:07,667 who forced his way into their car. 186 00:11:07,751 --> 00:11:09,961 - A Black man had forced his way into their car, 187 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:11,921 forced them to drive to a Black neighborhood, 188 00:11:11,963 --> 00:11:13,673 robbed them, and shot them. 189 00:11:13,757 --> 00:11:15,800 Afterwards, Stuart called police on his car phone. 190 00:11:15,842 --> 00:11:17,552 - When I think about the Stuart case, 191 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:19,596 you have to put it in the proper context 192 00:11:19,637 --> 00:11:22,891 of where we were during that time period. 193 00:11:22,974 --> 00:11:26,978 The modern history of Boston really begins with busing. 194 00:11:27,062 --> 00:11:28,396 ♪ ♪ 195 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,314 [projector whirring] 196 00:11:29,397 --> 00:11:30,440 [clicks] 197 00:11:30,482 --> 00:11:32,609 ♪ ♪ 198 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:35,362 [tense music] 199 00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:36,821 - Boston's not a city. 200 00:11:36,905 --> 00:11:39,866 It's a collection of neighborhoods. 201 00:11:39,949 --> 00:11:41,910 I got here, and people said things like, 202 00:11:41,993 --> 00:11:45,580 "Don't go to South Boston. Don't go to Charlestown." 203 00:11:45,663 --> 00:11:49,793 ♪ ♪ 204 00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:51,961 Where I had grown up and lived my whole life before that, 205 00:11:52,003 --> 00:11:53,755 in Miami, there was nothing like that. 206 00:11:53,838 --> 00:11:54,964 There weren't neighborhoods 207 00:11:55,006 --> 00:11:56,549 you weren't supposed to go into. 208 00:11:56,633 --> 00:12:00,970 ♪ ♪ 209 00:12:01,012 --> 00:12:03,348 If you grew up in a certain neighborhood-- 210 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:07,352 Roxbury, Mission Hill, part of Dorchester, Mattapan-- 211 00:12:07,435 --> 00:12:08,478 that's where you stayed. 212 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,729 I mean, you might go to Southie 213 00:12:09,813 --> 00:12:11,690 once in a while for a reason, 214 00:12:11,773 --> 00:12:13,233 but it was kind of like it wasn't even 215 00:12:13,316 --> 00:12:15,026 part of the same city. 216 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:19,864 ♪ ♪ 217 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:21,116 I'd meet people from Dorchester 218 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:23,201 who'd never been to the South End. 219 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:25,704 To somebody from Miami, that was nuts. 220 00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:27,664 It's, like, 10 minutes down Mass Ave. 221 00:12:27,706 --> 00:12:28,957 What are you talking about? 222 00:12:28,998 --> 00:12:32,335 ♪ ♪ 223 00:12:32,377 --> 00:12:36,089 - Most cities are naturally segregated. 224 00:12:36,172 --> 00:12:38,717 Boston takes it to an extreme, 225 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,678 especially in the 1990s and before. 226 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,763 - I won't drive up, um, Morton Street. 227 00:12:43,847 --> 00:12:46,057 I won't go through Blue Hill Ave, 228 00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:48,351 not because I've had any bad experiences, just that-- 229 00:12:48,393 --> 00:12:51,521 why give myself an opportunity to get put in that situation? 230 00:12:51,563 --> 00:12:55,942 - It's the running story with white folks in Massachusetts. 231 00:12:56,026 --> 00:12:59,946 You can't spend too much time in Roxbury, lower Roxbury, 232 00:13:00,030 --> 00:13:02,615 Dorchester, what have you, because you're gonna be 233 00:13:02,699 --> 00:13:03,742 attacked and all this other stuff. 234 00:13:03,825 --> 00:13:07,954 Whereas our experience was when we left those regions, 235 00:13:08,038 --> 00:13:09,497 that's what happened to us. 236 00:13:09,581 --> 00:13:11,750 ♪ ♪ 237 00:13:11,791 --> 00:13:14,878 - When I moved to Boston, 238 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:17,714 my wife was white. 239 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:23,345 We were strongly advised to avoid South Boston, 240 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:29,100 advised not to spend much time in Charlestown. 241 00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:32,187 Walking the streets of various neighborhoods, 242 00:13:32,270 --> 00:13:36,066 we were pretty much guaranteed to hear, 243 00:13:36,107 --> 00:13:38,902 uh, racial epithets thrown at us. 244 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:40,153 - Charlestown? 245 00:13:40,236 --> 00:13:42,614 I went there before, a long time ago. 246 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:44,491 It was beautiful. 247 00:13:44,574 --> 00:13:45,950 I will never go there no more. 248 00:13:46,034 --> 00:13:47,535 - I assume a person in Charlestown 249 00:13:47,619 --> 00:13:50,455 might feel unsafe going to Roxbury, and vice versa. 250 00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:54,709 Nobody in the city is free to go anyplace they want to go. 251 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:58,755 - The schools in Black neighborhoods were disastrous. 252 00:13:58,797 --> 00:14:00,131 They were terrible. 253 00:14:00,215 --> 00:14:02,133 And there was just simply more opportunity 254 00:14:02,217 --> 00:14:03,677 in the white communities. 255 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,595 Parents knew that there had to be 256 00:14:05,637 --> 00:14:09,099 more desegregation and more integration in the schools. 257 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:10,725 - A group of Black parents sued, 258 00:14:10,767 --> 00:14:13,478 and a federal judge named W. Arthur Garrity 259 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,481 ordered the desegregation of the Boston Public Schools. 260 00:14:18,149 --> 00:14:22,445 - At the end of my block was the old NAACP building. 261 00:14:22,487 --> 00:14:27,492 That got firebombed after the busing ruling came. 262 00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:31,246 Like, the first idea was that somebody threw a firebomb 263 00:14:31,329 --> 00:14:34,958 at the NAACP office on Mass Ave. 264 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,335 Like, there's a picture of it. 265 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:41,131 - The Garrity busing ruling was 1974. 266 00:14:41,172 --> 00:14:43,550 My uncles and my parents used to say all the time, 267 00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:46,011 "We never knew how much they hated us until then. 268 00:14:46,094 --> 00:14:47,178 "We always thought we got along. 269 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:49,305 "We thought this was a good place. 270 00:14:49,347 --> 00:14:53,226 Had no idea how deeply they hated us until '74." 271 00:14:53,309 --> 00:14:55,020 - I'm ordering you to disperse 272 00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:57,188 in the name of the Commonwealth. 273 00:14:57,272 --> 00:14:59,816 If you're not gonna disperse, you're gonna be arrested. 274 00:14:59,858 --> 00:15:01,526 [crowd chanting] Here we go! 275 00:15:01,609 --> 00:15:03,945 - Why am I very prejudiced? 276 00:15:04,029 --> 00:15:08,825 Well, I wouldn't be if busing didn't start. 277 00:15:08,867 --> 00:15:10,618 When busing started, you know, 278 00:15:10,702 --> 00:15:12,912 I never even seen a colored before. 279 00:15:12,996 --> 00:15:14,164 I never even knew what they were. 280 00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,332 But as soon as I got to know 'em, 281 00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:18,793 they, uh--I didn't like 'em off the bat. 282 00:15:18,877 --> 00:15:20,879 - Let us go to our neighborhoods 283 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,547 where our kids are safe. 284 00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:24,466 We want our kids safe. 285 00:15:24,549 --> 00:15:27,594 We want our children safe. 286 00:15:27,677 --> 00:15:30,305 - The '70s were a very tumultuous time in Boston. 287 00:15:30,388 --> 00:15:34,059 The anger of the hundreds, if not thousands, 288 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:37,062 of whites from South Boston 289 00:15:37,145 --> 00:15:40,940 was because of the impact on a nice lifestyle. 290 00:15:41,024 --> 00:15:42,442 You wanted your kids to go to neighborhood schools 291 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:44,444 because you had gone to neighborhood schools. 292 00:15:44,527 --> 00:15:48,365 Unfortunately, whites resented this idea 293 00:15:48,406 --> 00:15:53,953 of taking away our lifestyle and forcing this population 294 00:15:54,037 --> 00:15:56,206 of Black and brown people upon us, 295 00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:58,583 of forcing our kids to go into these neighborhoods 296 00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:03,088 that, uh, were so crime-ridden and so deteriorated. 297 00:16:03,171 --> 00:16:06,091 - What Black parents were asking for 298 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:08,593 was equity in terms of access to schools. 299 00:16:08,677 --> 00:16:09,761 They actually weren't asking 300 00:16:09,844 --> 00:16:12,097 to go to school with white kids. 301 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:14,265 They just wanted a shot and an opportunity, 302 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:17,644 and not to have crap buildings and crap facilities. 303 00:16:17,727 --> 00:16:21,064 [crowd chanting indistinctly] 304 00:16:21,106 --> 00:16:25,068 - We have nothing to gain by keeping them here. 305 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:27,112 Send them back to Roxbury. 306 00:16:27,153 --> 00:16:30,240 [crowd yelling indistinctly] 307 00:16:30,281 --> 00:16:31,950 - But the crowd just kept shouting, 308 00:16:32,033 --> 00:16:34,619 "Bus them back to Africa." 309 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:35,620 - In Charlestown, 310 00:16:35,662 --> 00:16:38,123 whites burned an effigy of a Black student. 311 00:16:38,206 --> 00:16:39,665 Police had to break them up. 312 00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:41,209 - Remember, right, when I was in the fifth grade, 313 00:16:41,292 --> 00:16:43,253 right, I was doing all kinds, you know, 314 00:16:43,294 --> 00:16:45,046 like, eighth grade work, right? 315 00:16:45,130 --> 00:16:46,673 I know when I went to Roxbury, right, 316 00:16:46,756 --> 00:16:49,551 I was doing the same work, third and fourth grade work. 317 00:16:49,634 --> 00:16:51,302 And I mean, the niggers are just sitting there, 318 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:52,637 and they didn't know what they were doing. 319 00:16:52,721 --> 00:16:53,888 And I knew what I was doing. 320 00:16:53,972 --> 00:16:55,598 And I asked the teacher, why did he do this? 321 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:56,641 And he goes, well, he goes, 322 00:16:56,725 --> 00:16:58,518 "Half these people are slow in this class." 323 00:16:58,601 --> 00:17:00,729 And I just walked out, and I never went to school again. 324 00:17:00,812 --> 00:17:02,647 And I've been out of school for almost four years now. 325 00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:03,606 - Some of us-- 326 00:17:03,648 --> 00:17:05,817 - And I feel it's because of the Black people, 327 00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,527 because of all this busing. - Mm-hmm. 328 00:17:07,609 --> 00:17:08,653 - All of it, I bet you-- 329 00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:09,654 - I grew up in Mission Hill. 330 00:17:09,738 --> 00:17:10,989 So we were bused to Brighton, 331 00:17:11,031 --> 00:17:12,656 which was primarily white. 332 00:17:12,741 --> 00:17:16,744 I remember white people throwing rocks at Black kids, 333 00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:18,579 and they were told to go back home. 334 00:17:18,663 --> 00:17:21,165 "You're not allowed here." 335 00:17:21,249 --> 00:17:24,419 - If you rode a bus and you had to be on a detour 336 00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:26,296 and you go through another part of town, 337 00:17:26,338 --> 00:17:28,339 the bus driver would tell you, 338 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:31,676 "Uh, we're cutting through Southie now." 339 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,680 And we had a bus monitor, which was an adult, 340 00:17:35,764 --> 00:17:38,725 and she would say something like, "Get down!" 341 00:17:38,808 --> 00:17:41,353 So we'd get down on the bus as we're riding through, 342 00:17:41,436 --> 00:17:44,272 because again, you can see who's in the bus 343 00:17:44,356 --> 00:17:45,815 as it's going through the street. 344 00:17:45,857 --> 00:17:47,609 So once they noticed there were brown kids on the bus, 345 00:17:47,692 --> 00:17:49,444 people start throwing shit at the bus. 346 00:17:49,527 --> 00:17:52,405 [tense music] 347 00:17:52,489 --> 00:17:53,698 ♪ ♪ 348 00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:55,450 - All this to go to school. 349 00:17:55,533 --> 00:17:59,120 All of this resistance just to go to school. 350 00:17:59,204 --> 00:18:04,376 The message was sent very clearly that 351 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:06,836 you belong in your part of town, 352 00:18:06,878 --> 00:18:08,880 and the rest of this is not yours. 353 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:13,051 ♪ ♪ 354 00:18:13,134 --> 00:18:15,637 - You learned to adjust. 355 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,889 You had to fight your way. 356 00:18:17,972 --> 00:18:21,017 As a child growing up, you had to fight. 357 00:18:21,059 --> 00:18:23,019 Uh, even in Mission Hill, where I grew up. 358 00:18:23,061 --> 00:18:30,276 ♪ ♪ 359 00:18:36,908 --> 00:18:41,204 I remember as a nine-year-old going to Cub Scouts, 360 00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:42,539 and every Wednesday, 361 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:45,542 I would get spit on by white dudes, right? 362 00:18:45,583 --> 00:18:49,129 I, um, would walk down Tremont Street 363 00:18:49,212 --> 00:18:51,214 right in front of Mission Church. 364 00:18:51,256 --> 00:18:52,882 I can remember it vividly. 365 00:18:52,924 --> 00:18:54,426 ♪ ♪ 366 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,219 And these white guys, they would wait for me 367 00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:58,680 every Wednesday, it seemed, 'cause I had to walk by them. 368 00:18:58,763 --> 00:18:59,889 And I got used to it, 369 00:18:59,931 --> 00:19:04,436 where I would walk and brace myself. 370 00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:07,272 I never told my mom about this, 'cause I was embarrassed. 371 00:19:07,355 --> 00:19:09,399 And I would go into the Cub Scouts, 372 00:19:09,441 --> 00:19:10,567 and I wouldn't tell anyone, 373 00:19:10,608 --> 00:19:11,818 and I'd just go in the bathroom 374 00:19:11,901 --> 00:19:13,069 and wipe myself off. 375 00:19:13,111 --> 00:19:15,071 To be in the position, every Wednesday, 376 00:19:15,113 --> 00:19:16,865 smelling of liquor and spit-- 377 00:19:16,948 --> 00:19:18,783 I can still smell it. 378 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:21,578 [crowd shouting indistinctly] 379 00:19:21,619 --> 00:19:24,539 [poignant music] 380 00:19:24,622 --> 00:19:31,379 ♪ ♪ 381 00:19:31,463 --> 00:19:33,715 - Boston deserved the reputation that it had, 382 00:19:33,757 --> 00:19:35,091 given the reaction to busing 383 00:19:35,133 --> 00:19:36,718 and the fracture that that created. 384 00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:38,845 Boston deserved the reputation that it had 385 00:19:38,928 --> 00:19:40,847 when Ted Landsmark was attacked 386 00:19:40,930 --> 00:19:42,640 in front of the Boston City Hall. 387 00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:44,976 ♪ ♪ 388 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:46,478 - I was on my way 389 00:19:46,561 --> 00:19:50,148 to an affirmative action meeting in City Hall, 390 00:19:50,231 --> 00:19:52,567 and I realized that I was about to walk 391 00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:54,861 into the front of this demonstration 392 00:19:54,944 --> 00:19:56,571 of high school kids against 393 00:19:56,654 --> 00:19:58,990 what they considered to be forced busing. 394 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:01,451 ♪ ♪ 395 00:20:01,493 --> 00:20:04,829 A couple of the guys yelled out, 396 00:20:04,871 --> 00:20:06,122 "There's a..." 397 00:20:06,164 --> 00:20:08,124 N-word. 398 00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:10,460 "Get him." 399 00:20:10,502 --> 00:20:13,380 And then they circled back 400 00:20:13,463 --> 00:20:17,676 to jump on me from behind. 401 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:20,303 And the flag-bearer 402 00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:22,972 then swung the American flag at me... 403 00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:25,517 ♪ ♪ 404 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,687 Knocking off my glasses and kicking me 405 00:20:28,770 --> 00:20:31,731 in the brief moment that I was knocked down. 406 00:20:31,815 --> 00:20:33,191 And then they ran off 407 00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:35,527 to continue their demonstration, 408 00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:40,323 and I was left standing alone on City Hall Plaza, 409 00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:45,078 uh, bleeding from a nosebleed and kind of dazed, 410 00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:46,996 wondering what had just happened to me. 411 00:20:47,038 --> 00:20:54,045 ♪ ♪ 412 00:20:54,087 --> 00:20:57,048 [indistinct chatter] 413 00:20:58,675 --> 00:21:02,387 We must avoid being exploited 414 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:05,056 and having this act of violence exploited 415 00:21:05,098 --> 00:21:08,935 to distract attention from the complex 416 00:21:09,019 --> 00:21:13,523 and extremely urgent problem of the life of this city 417 00:21:13,565 --> 00:21:16,192 and the lives of Black and white people, 418 00:21:16,234 --> 00:21:18,570 and all-colored peoples in this city. 419 00:21:23,074 --> 00:21:25,076 - What happened in the years after 420 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,245 the desegregation controversy 421 00:21:27,328 --> 00:21:29,330 was persistent racial violence. 422 00:21:29,414 --> 00:21:31,750 [tense music] 423 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:33,376 A Black man actually got attacked 424 00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:36,046 on the State House steps. 425 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:37,630 It was witnessed by several people. 426 00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:41,426 A state rep, Ray Flynn, came flying down the stairs 427 00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:44,262 and physically broke up the altercation. 428 00:21:44,346 --> 00:21:46,264 ♪ ♪ 429 00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:47,682 Who was this guy? 430 00:21:47,766 --> 00:21:49,559 - Hi, Vickie. How are you? - How are you? 431 00:21:49,601 --> 00:21:50,769 - Hi, Bill. How are you, Bill? - How are you? 432 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:51,853 - Good, good. 433 00:21:51,936 --> 00:21:55,023 - If Norman Rockwell wanted to do a portrait 434 00:21:55,106 --> 00:21:58,234 to capture a kid in South Boston, 435 00:21:58,276 --> 00:22:01,071 he should have had Ray Flynn sit for him. 436 00:22:01,112 --> 00:22:03,114 He was an Irish kid. 437 00:22:03,156 --> 00:22:04,783 He was tough. 438 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:07,202 He was a great basketball player. 439 00:22:07,285 --> 00:22:09,371 He played at South Boston High, 440 00:22:09,454 --> 00:22:11,456 then went on to Providence College. 441 00:22:11,498 --> 00:22:13,041 - The Friars have one of the greatest outside shooters 442 00:22:13,124 --> 00:22:14,459 in college ball in a young man 443 00:22:14,501 --> 00:22:16,753 from Boston, Massachusetts, Ray Flynn. 444 00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:19,631 [cheers and applause] 445 00:22:19,714 --> 00:22:22,133 That's Ray there, number 15. 446 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:23,510 Swish. 447 00:22:23,593 --> 00:22:27,472 - I think that his experience with African-American kids 448 00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:29,641 in basketball changed him. 449 00:22:29,683 --> 00:22:32,727 He was the guy who had seen beyond 450 00:22:32,811 --> 00:22:35,313 just being in that neighborhood 451 00:22:35,397 --> 00:22:37,899 and had reached out and accepted 452 00:22:37,982 --> 00:22:40,485 some of the things he saw. 453 00:22:40,527 --> 00:22:42,028 - The city's in the midst of the fight 454 00:22:42,112 --> 00:22:45,865 to decide who will lead Boston after Kevin White, 455 00:22:45,949 --> 00:22:47,617 four-term mayor. 456 00:22:47,659 --> 00:22:50,078 ♪ ♪ 457 00:22:50,161 --> 00:22:53,540 Our people start rallying behind Ray Flynn. 458 00:22:53,623 --> 00:22:57,752 This guy might be the guy. [laughs] 1983. 459 00:22:57,836 --> 00:23:00,422 We're gonna run against the establishment. 460 00:23:00,505 --> 00:23:02,632 We're gonna bring Black and white people together 461 00:23:02,674 --> 00:23:04,801 around economic issues, 462 00:23:04,843 --> 00:23:07,178 and we're gonna put this history 463 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:09,514 of racial conflict behind us. 464 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:11,266 [cheers and applause] 465 00:23:11,349 --> 00:23:15,395 - Tonight, Boston made history, 466 00:23:15,478 --> 00:23:18,398 a united city 467 00:23:18,481 --> 00:23:21,026 where the voice of every neighborhood 468 00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:24,696 in this city has been heard. 469 00:23:24,779 --> 00:23:29,367 - In the midst of a city divided by race, 470 00:23:29,451 --> 00:23:32,245 Flynn then comes into office saying, 471 00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:33,830 "We're gonna bring white people 472 00:23:33,872 --> 00:23:36,374 and Black people together to fight the power." 473 00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:38,543 - This is a time to break down the walls 474 00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:41,421 of misunderstanding and bigotry 475 00:23:41,504 --> 00:23:44,883 and build up a new foundation of racial harmony. 476 00:23:44,966 --> 00:23:48,595 - Boston was in need of someone to heal the city. 477 00:23:48,678 --> 00:23:51,348 Ray Flynn was considered one of the good ones. 478 00:23:51,389 --> 00:23:53,558 He was considered one of the progressive, 479 00:23:53,641 --> 00:23:55,060 one of the reformers, one of the ones 480 00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:58,438 who was trying to change the perception of the city. 481 00:23:58,521 --> 00:24:01,483 Black people didn't look at Ray Flynn in that city 482 00:24:01,566 --> 00:24:03,777 as hostile to them. 483 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:06,529 And he had a lot to answer for, because Ray Flynn was 484 00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:07,906 on the other side of it during busing. 485 00:24:07,989 --> 00:24:09,115 Go look at the pictures. 486 00:24:09,199 --> 00:24:10,909 There's Ray Flynn sitting there with Louise Day Hicks 487 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,328 and the rest of them in the anti-busing brigade. 488 00:24:13,411 --> 00:24:14,996 And now by the '80s, he's the reformer. 489 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,873 He's the one trying to heal the city. 490 00:24:16,915 --> 00:24:19,793 [applause] 491 00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:23,254 - We went from 600 incidents of racial violence a year 492 00:24:23,338 --> 00:24:26,466 to a--a few dozen. 493 00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:30,970 It went from being the most important issue 494 00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:34,182 when Ray Flynn took office 495 00:24:34,265 --> 00:24:37,435 to one that was largely in the rearview mirror. 496 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:38,895 Not racism. 497 00:24:38,937 --> 00:24:40,438 Racial violence. 498 00:24:40,522 --> 00:24:44,275 Retaliatory violence based strictly on race. 499 00:24:44,317 --> 00:24:45,443 ♪ ♪ 500 00:24:45,527 --> 00:24:48,196 Our theory of action was, 501 00:24:48,238 --> 00:24:51,282 if you change behavior effectively, 502 00:24:51,366 --> 00:24:53,952 eventually, the attitudes will fade. 503 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,496 ♪ ♪ 504 00:24:56,579 --> 00:24:59,040 - Particularly after Ray Flynn became the mayor, 505 00:24:59,124 --> 00:25:00,542 things softened. 506 00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:03,086 He was largely responsible for getting people 507 00:25:03,128 --> 00:25:07,132 to realize that there is room here for everyone 508 00:25:07,173 --> 00:25:08,633 to get along together. 509 00:25:08,717 --> 00:25:11,302 And that is what I think we were feeling 510 00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:12,303 in the early '80s. 511 00:25:12,387 --> 00:25:13,471 - Mayor Raymond Flynn. 512 00:25:13,513 --> 00:25:14,514 Give him a big hand. 513 00:25:14,597 --> 00:25:17,058 - I believe that there was a time 514 00:25:17,142 --> 00:25:20,562 that things were getting a little bit better. 515 00:25:21,938 --> 00:25:25,817 He tried to work on race relations. 516 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:27,777 Because Ray was a good basketball player, 517 00:25:27,819 --> 00:25:29,279 he could come to our gym, 518 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,864 play ball with the young people. 519 00:25:30,947 --> 00:25:32,991 I had a good working relationship 520 00:25:33,074 --> 00:25:35,827 with, uh, Ray Flynn 521 00:25:35,869 --> 00:25:37,662 until the Stuart case happened. 522 00:25:44,794 --> 00:25:47,005 - When did you find out about what happened last night? 523 00:25:47,047 --> 00:25:50,175 - Uh, I was called approximately at 11:00, 524 00:25:50,258 --> 00:25:52,427 and from 11:00 on, 525 00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:55,055 I drove into the Boston City Hospital 526 00:25:55,138 --> 00:25:58,808 and, uh, tried to comfort the Stuart-- 527 00:25:58,850 --> 00:26:01,227 Stuarts as much as-- as anyone can 528 00:26:01,311 --> 00:26:03,021 under those type of circumstances. 529 00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:05,774 - Um, if you had to describe the couple 530 00:26:05,857 --> 00:26:08,818 and you had to describe Chuck, certainly to someone who-- 531 00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:11,071 who doesn't know him, what would you say? 532 00:26:11,154 --> 00:26:12,614 - Caring. 533 00:26:12,697 --> 00:26:17,118 Caring about--about other people, his family. 534 00:26:17,202 --> 00:26:21,081 Uh, obviously, his close immediate family, 535 00:26:21,164 --> 00:26:24,876 but also every single other employee that we have here, 536 00:26:24,959 --> 00:26:28,505 he has their best interests in heart. 537 00:26:28,588 --> 00:26:30,340 - What can you tell me about the Stuart family? 538 00:26:30,382 --> 00:26:31,633 What kind of neighbors were they? 539 00:26:31,716 --> 00:26:32,592 - They were very quiet. 540 00:26:32,676 --> 00:26:33,968 They kept to themselves. 541 00:26:34,052 --> 00:26:35,887 And they were really, you know, nice people. 542 00:26:35,929 --> 00:26:37,514 They always walked by and said hello, 543 00:26:37,555 --> 00:26:39,516 and my son used to play with-- 544 00:26:39,557 --> 00:26:40,892 when we first moved to the neighborhood, 545 00:26:40,934 --> 00:26:43,895 they--we were here 14 years, 546 00:26:43,978 --> 00:26:45,939 and they used to play football and baseball. 547 00:26:46,022 --> 00:26:49,901 And all the younger kids looked up to him, you know? 548 00:26:49,943 --> 00:26:54,739 - The atmosphere was fear on the part of a lot of people, 549 00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:58,118 concern on the part of everyone. 550 00:26:58,201 --> 00:27:01,204 People wanted answers, and they wanted them now. 551 00:27:01,246 --> 00:27:03,039 - Charles and Carol Stuart moved to this house 552 00:27:03,081 --> 00:27:05,542 on a dead-end street in Reading three years ago. 553 00:27:05,583 --> 00:27:07,502 Nearly all the neighbors here know them 554 00:27:07,585 --> 00:27:09,337 and describe the couple as compassionate 555 00:27:09,421 --> 00:27:10,755 and thoughtful neighbors. 556 00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:12,382 But some of those residents now admit 557 00:27:12,424 --> 00:27:14,259 they're scared to go to Boston. 558 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:15,635 - Realize these areas, 559 00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:17,971 and take precautions and avoid it. 560 00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:20,473 They have to somehow, uh, make sure 561 00:27:20,557 --> 00:27:21,850 they've got adequate security. 562 00:27:21,933 --> 00:27:25,353 - There's obviously a sick individual out there, 563 00:27:25,437 --> 00:27:28,815 or an individual that is, uh, in-- 564 00:27:28,898 --> 00:27:32,902 somewhere involved with drugs, or a combination of both. 565 00:27:32,944 --> 00:27:34,779 - Are you afraid to go into Boston? 566 00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:36,281 - Well, by myself, yeah. 567 00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:37,866 - Really? Why? 568 00:27:37,949 --> 00:27:40,785 - Well, because there are, like, crazy people out there. 569 00:27:40,827 --> 00:27:42,579 - In addition to shock and sadness, 570 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:44,873 residents here are expressing another emotion-- 571 00:27:44,956 --> 00:27:46,041 fear. 572 00:27:46,124 --> 00:27:48,043 - Yes, it is rather frightening. 573 00:27:48,126 --> 00:27:50,086 You're almost afraid to go anywhere, 574 00:27:50,128 --> 00:27:51,463 'cause you don't know if you'll be in the wrong place 575 00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:52,756 at the wrong time. 576 00:27:52,797 --> 00:27:54,966 - I think most suburban people have 577 00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:56,801 no clue as to what goes on. 578 00:27:56,843 --> 00:27:58,678 - I think he should-- the person who's done this 579 00:27:58,762 --> 00:28:00,847 should be, uh, put to-- give him the chair 580 00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:02,974 or give him the gas chamber, no parole. 581 00:28:03,016 --> 00:28:04,934 - I think people coming from suburbs, 582 00:28:04,976 --> 00:28:06,311 like in that area, are more separate, 583 00:28:06,353 --> 00:28:08,188 'cause they're not used to dealing with the city. 584 00:28:08,271 --> 00:28:11,149 [tense music] 585 00:28:11,191 --> 00:28:14,611 - White folks in Massachusetts regard every place 586 00:28:14,652 --> 00:28:18,198 where Black folks or Latino folks reside 587 00:28:18,281 --> 00:28:21,326 as the ghetto. 588 00:28:21,368 --> 00:28:24,788 That is something that, like, even as a kid stuck out to me. 589 00:28:24,829 --> 00:28:25,955 It was like, why are white folks 590 00:28:25,997 --> 00:28:27,832 always so scared coming here? 591 00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:31,002 [indistinct chatter] 592 00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:36,716 - Mission Hill was, um--it was fun. 593 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,343 Growing up for me, it was fun. 594 00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:39,761 Like, I played marbles. 595 00:28:39,844 --> 00:28:41,763 I rode bikes, rode dirt bikes. 596 00:28:41,846 --> 00:28:44,057 We used to have the fire hydrants open. 597 00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:48,186 There's, you know, block parties late at night. 598 00:28:48,228 --> 00:28:51,064 - The world seen it as bad, but people that lived there, 599 00:28:51,147 --> 00:28:51,898 it was life. 600 00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:53,900 It was beautiful to us. 601 00:28:53,983 --> 00:28:56,319 Everybody in the projects was like a family. 602 00:28:56,361 --> 00:28:57,696 Everybody knew each other-- 603 00:28:57,737 --> 00:28:59,364 knows each other to this very day. 604 00:28:59,447 --> 00:29:00,824 Everybody. 605 00:29:00,865 --> 00:29:04,369 Um, so it was just like a big family growing up. 606 00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:07,914 - Just a whole atmosphere of-- 607 00:29:07,997 --> 00:29:09,582 especially in the summertime, 608 00:29:09,666 --> 00:29:11,751 of just families just out there, 609 00:29:11,835 --> 00:29:13,044 because you grew up together, 610 00:29:13,086 --> 00:29:15,380 so you hung out together, and they partied. 611 00:29:15,463 --> 00:29:16,881 And you know, as a kid, 612 00:29:16,923 --> 00:29:18,633 I used to watch all of that stuff go on, 613 00:29:18,717 --> 00:29:21,219 and I used to enjoy it at a young age. 614 00:29:21,261 --> 00:29:23,972 I thought that was the safest place to be. 615 00:29:24,055 --> 00:29:29,728 My childhood, it didn't get worse until 1987. 616 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:33,189 I seen the transition to crack and all that. 617 00:29:33,231 --> 00:29:36,651 And I think that's when the violence really started. 618 00:29:36,735 --> 00:29:39,612 [dramatic music] 619 00:29:39,696 --> 00:29:42,073 ♪ ♪ 620 00:29:42,157 --> 00:29:46,745 - New York and particularly the Bronx had been 621 00:29:46,828 --> 00:29:50,707 in turmoil due to the crack epidemic... 622 00:29:50,749 --> 00:29:52,667 ♪ ♪ 623 00:29:52,751 --> 00:29:54,502 And we thought we were effectively 624 00:29:54,586 --> 00:29:56,588 keeping it out of Boston. 625 00:29:56,629 --> 00:30:00,467 ♪ ♪ 626 00:30:00,550 --> 00:30:03,511 By the time we get to 1988, 627 00:30:03,595 --> 00:30:08,099 we suddenly realized what was happening underneath our view. 628 00:30:08,141 --> 00:30:11,186 [banging] [indistinct yelling] 629 00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:12,604 ♪ ♪ 630 00:30:12,687 --> 00:30:14,773 [glass shattering] 631 00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:16,649 A guy by the name of Darryl Whiting 632 00:30:16,733 --> 00:30:18,943 had moved to Boston. 633 00:30:18,985 --> 00:30:21,571 A gang by the name of the New York Boys 634 00:30:21,613 --> 00:30:22,781 had come up. 635 00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:25,367 They had started producing crack 636 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:29,245 by paying off public housing tenants 637 00:30:29,287 --> 00:30:31,331 in the Orchard Park development. 638 00:30:31,414 --> 00:30:32,916 ♪ ♪ 639 00:30:32,957 --> 00:30:37,128 From August '88 throughout '89, 640 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:40,715 there is just constant violence. 641 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,470 ♪ ♪ 642 00:30:45,553 --> 00:30:47,806 - It affected our household. 643 00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:50,225 It took a hold to my mom, 644 00:30:50,308 --> 00:30:52,811 which brought me to my grandmother's house. 645 00:30:52,894 --> 00:30:54,562 ♪ ♪ 646 00:30:54,646 --> 00:30:59,984 For me, that was, like, one of the first eye-openers 647 00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:03,154 to what drugs can do to families. 648 00:31:03,196 --> 00:31:05,990 - All of us agree that the gravest domestic threat 649 00:31:06,074 --> 00:31:08,535 facing our nation today is drugs. 650 00:31:08,618 --> 00:31:11,037 - Once crack appeared on the streets of Boston, 651 00:31:11,121 --> 00:31:12,747 there was an increase in crime. 652 00:31:12,831 --> 00:31:14,416 - Crack. 653 00:31:14,499 --> 00:31:15,875 Who's responsible? 654 00:31:15,959 --> 00:31:19,504 - Mission Hill, at that time, it was real bad. 655 00:31:19,546 --> 00:31:23,008 - This--this is crack cocaine. 656 00:31:23,091 --> 00:31:25,927 [indistinct police radio chatter] 657 00:31:26,011 --> 00:31:29,139 [dramatic music] 658 00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:33,768 ♪ ♪ 659 00:31:33,852 --> 00:31:35,478 - Annunciation Road, 660 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,481 right near where the Stuart case happened, 661 00:31:38,523 --> 00:31:40,608 they used to call it Assassination Road. 662 00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:42,152 So there was a great deal of crime 663 00:31:42,193 --> 00:31:43,653 in the Mission Hill community. 664 00:31:43,695 --> 00:31:46,239 - 11-year-old Tiffany Moore was sitting on a mailbox 665 00:31:46,322 --> 00:31:48,825 on Humboldt Avenue, chatting with neighbors. 666 00:31:48,867 --> 00:31:51,703 Suddenly, shots rang out from a passing car, 667 00:31:51,745 --> 00:31:54,748 and Tiffany was dead. 668 00:31:54,831 --> 00:31:58,543 - And while illegal drug use is found in every community, 669 00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:03,089 nowhere is it worse than our public housing projects. 670 00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:05,216 - Gang violence seems to be on the rise, 671 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,510 and it's got many Boston residents 672 00:32:07,552 --> 00:32:09,346 afraid to even come outside. 673 00:32:09,387 --> 00:32:12,307 - What's the cause of the crime, probably? 674 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:15,727 - I think it must be about 50% drugs, 675 00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:18,063 50%--we know there's a lot of nuts 676 00:32:18,146 --> 00:32:19,481 running around out there, anyway. 677 00:32:19,564 --> 00:32:21,566 - So is the answer really just getting tougher 678 00:32:21,608 --> 00:32:23,735 or trying to do something about the drug problem? 679 00:32:23,818 --> 00:32:24,986 - I think it's both. 680 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:26,654 And I think, um-- 681 00:32:26,738 --> 00:32:29,824 uh, we really have to let the police do their thing. 682 00:32:29,908 --> 00:32:31,785 [horn blaring] 683 00:32:31,868 --> 00:32:33,995 [indistinct chatter] 684 00:32:37,832 --> 00:32:39,417 - What are we gonna do, you know? 685 00:32:39,501 --> 00:32:42,712 We're out there showing up at the scene. 686 00:32:42,754 --> 00:32:45,507 We're seeing kids shot and killed. 687 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:46,925 It's in the news. 688 00:32:46,966 --> 00:32:48,885 The public is outraged. 689 00:32:48,927 --> 00:32:50,387 Something's gotta happen. 690 00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:58,603 Police leadership had decided stop and frisk was the answer. 691 00:32:58,645 --> 00:33:01,022 [siren wailing] 692 00:33:01,106 --> 00:33:03,400 - That was the beginning 693 00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:07,237 of our losing control of the police-- 694 00:33:07,278 --> 00:33:09,322 losing, even more importantly, 695 00:33:09,406 --> 00:33:11,908 our ability to direct police work. 696 00:33:11,950 --> 00:33:13,410 [indistinct chatter] 697 00:33:13,451 --> 00:33:17,455 Now, suddenly, the police feel that 698 00:33:17,497 --> 00:33:22,794 they can be out there as the solution, 699 00:33:22,877 --> 00:33:24,379 frisking young Black men 700 00:33:24,462 --> 00:33:26,506 regardless of cause or suspicion. 701 00:33:26,589 --> 00:33:29,467 ♪ ♪ 702 00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:31,052 - You're the most powerful people there is. 703 00:33:31,136 --> 00:33:33,179 You can deprive somebody of their freedom. 704 00:33:33,263 --> 00:33:35,015 Nobody else can do that. 705 00:33:35,098 --> 00:33:36,933 Judges can't do that. 706 00:33:36,975 --> 00:33:39,352 We can stop you from walking down the street 707 00:33:39,436 --> 00:33:42,814 and deprive you of your freedom. 708 00:33:42,897 --> 00:33:44,691 That's a lot of power. 709 00:33:44,774 --> 00:33:46,067 - We had a bunch of cops 710 00:33:46,151 --> 00:33:47,318 running around in Mission Hill-- 711 00:33:47,402 --> 00:33:53,366 Fat and Skinny, Blonde Sean, Hightower. 712 00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:55,493 All no good. 713 00:33:55,535 --> 00:33:59,289 No good, especially Fat and Skinny. 714 00:33:59,330 --> 00:34:03,293 ♪ ♪ 715 00:34:03,335 --> 00:34:06,129 - I'm a retired Boston police officer. 716 00:34:06,171 --> 00:34:10,050 I retired as a detective and worked in the Boston Police 717 00:34:10,132 --> 00:34:13,469 from 1980 to 2016. 718 00:34:13,511 --> 00:34:16,848 I was assigned to Area B2 in Roxbury 719 00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:20,101 with one of my partners. 720 00:34:20,185 --> 00:34:25,857 We ended up working in Mission Hill, in the projects. 721 00:34:25,899 --> 00:34:27,692 Who wanted to be in the projects? 722 00:34:27,775 --> 00:34:29,444 Nobody. 723 00:34:29,527 --> 00:34:36,534 ♪ ♪ 724 00:34:37,534 --> 00:34:39,496 - They started out in a little patrol car, 725 00:34:39,536 --> 00:34:41,706 but then they wind up giving them a Bronco. 726 00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:43,625 ♪ ♪ 727 00:34:43,708 --> 00:34:47,837 And when he got in that truck, that was all she wrote. 728 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,341 He was in control of that neighborhood. 729 00:34:51,382 --> 00:34:54,302 He was making sure that you knew he was the boss. 730 00:34:54,386 --> 00:34:59,516 - I--I liked helping the good, 731 00:34:59,557 --> 00:35:03,978 and I loved being bad to the bad. 732 00:35:04,062 --> 00:35:07,399 Some people deserve to go to jail. 733 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,484 You're the most powerful people there is. 734 00:35:09,567 --> 00:35:11,986 You can deprive somebody of their freedom. 735 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:13,071 - Yep. 736 00:35:13,113 --> 00:35:14,239 - That's a lot of power. 737 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,157 - Yep. That's what they did. 738 00:35:16,241 --> 00:35:18,410 - Just do what the police tell you to do. 739 00:35:18,493 --> 00:35:20,578 And not that we're-- we're bullies. 740 00:35:20,662 --> 00:35:21,871 Just... - [scoffs] 741 00:35:21,955 --> 00:35:23,498 - It makes it easier on everybody. 742 00:35:23,581 --> 00:35:25,041 You don't get killed. I don't get hurt. 743 00:35:25,083 --> 00:35:26,167 - Right. 744 00:35:26,251 --> 00:35:28,795 - You don't get killed. I don't get hurt. 745 00:35:29,963 --> 00:35:31,923 Just follow the rules. 746 00:35:32,007 --> 00:35:34,259 Put your hands behind your back. 747 00:35:34,342 --> 00:35:38,096 It's not--it's not a hard concept. 748 00:35:38,179 --> 00:35:42,058 - He was a--a tyrant. 749 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,601 Beyond a bully. 750 00:35:43,685 --> 00:35:45,395 I can handle a bully. 751 00:35:45,437 --> 00:35:47,605 But a cop, 752 00:35:47,689 --> 00:35:50,567 a white cop... 753 00:35:50,608 --> 00:35:54,279 that's known for setting people up, 754 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,322 you know, putting his hands on people, 755 00:35:56,406 --> 00:35:59,200 that's a--that's a dangerous-- 756 00:35:59,284 --> 00:36:00,785 that's a dangerous cop. 757 00:36:00,827 --> 00:36:03,079 [tense music] 758 00:36:03,121 --> 00:36:06,041 - This city has, on a nightly basis, 759 00:36:06,124 --> 00:36:09,294 been dealing with blood in the streets. 760 00:36:09,336 --> 00:36:13,214 White working-class people are horrified 761 00:36:13,298 --> 00:36:17,177 by these kids getting killed by one another, 762 00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:19,888 but it's not "them." 763 00:36:19,971 --> 00:36:22,223 ♪ ♪ 764 00:36:22,307 --> 00:36:25,393 And that's the thing we feared the most, 765 00:36:25,477 --> 00:36:28,938 something happening where white people would be saying, 766 00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:32,025 "Oh, my God, now they're killing us." 767 00:36:32,108 --> 00:36:38,281 ♪ ♪ 768 00:36:38,323 --> 00:36:45,163 So now we get to October of 1989. 769 00:36:45,246 --> 00:36:50,752 ♪ ♪ 770 00:37:01,846 --> 00:37:02,806 [beeping] 771 00:37:02,847 --> 00:37:04,683 ♪ ♪ 772 00:37:04,724 --> 00:37:08,228 - October 23, 1989. 773 00:37:08,311 --> 00:37:11,106 It was a Monday night. 774 00:37:11,189 --> 00:37:12,857 ♪ ♪ 775 00:37:12,899 --> 00:37:15,735 I was home watching the kids play Nintendo. 776 00:37:15,819 --> 00:37:19,531 ♪ ♪ 777 00:37:19,614 --> 00:37:25,370 And uh, Captain Walsh, David Walsh, called my house, 778 00:37:25,412 --> 00:37:29,416 and he said, "Drop what you're doing. 779 00:37:29,499 --> 00:37:33,753 "Get in here right away. 780 00:37:33,837 --> 00:37:38,383 There's been a murder at Mission Projects." 781 00:37:38,425 --> 00:37:40,593 I said, "Okay, I'm on my way." 782 00:37:40,677 --> 00:37:42,721 ♪ ♪ 783 00:37:42,762 --> 00:37:45,890 I go up in the projects, and I learned that 784 00:37:45,932 --> 00:37:51,896 a husband and wife, who was pregnant, were shot. 785 00:37:57,485 --> 00:37:59,154 - The officer that took the description 786 00:37:59,237 --> 00:38:01,156 in the ambulance was told that 787 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,450 a Black male jumped in their car, 788 00:38:03,533 --> 00:38:06,536 told them to drive into the projects, 789 00:38:06,578 --> 00:38:08,830 uh, where he robbed and shot them. 790 00:38:08,913 --> 00:38:11,082 Did they say, "Oh, my God, this has never happened, 791 00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:12,667 I can't believe it"? 792 00:38:12,751 --> 00:38:13,918 No. 793 00:38:14,002 --> 00:38:15,587 It was just-- 794 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:18,006 it was a robbery that went bad. 795 00:38:18,089 --> 00:38:20,008 ♪ ♪ 796 00:38:40,737 --> 00:38:43,698 [siren chirping] 797 00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:49,287 - Mayor Flynn calls from the car, 798 00:38:49,371 --> 00:38:52,832 and he said, "Neil, it happened." 799 00:38:52,916 --> 00:38:58,296 ♪ ♪ 800 00:38:58,380 --> 00:39:00,382 The thing we feared the most-- 801 00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:05,303 a Black man had killed a white woman. 802 00:39:05,387 --> 00:39:10,517 Now folks would be able to say, "See? I told you. 803 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,478 They're going to kill white people, not just each other." 804 00:39:18,274 --> 00:39:21,653 - I knew that the mayor would have to make 805 00:39:21,695 --> 00:39:25,448 a show of enforcement, that he was going to do 806 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:30,662 everything possible to catch the person who did this, 807 00:39:30,704 --> 00:39:35,166 and I'm going to call out every available detective. 808 00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:36,793 I said, "Don't say that." 809 00:39:36,835 --> 00:39:39,421 - Police officers have got the most difficult job 810 00:39:39,504 --> 00:39:41,256 in society today. 811 00:39:41,339 --> 00:39:43,174 They're out there trying to fight a war 812 00:39:43,216 --> 00:39:44,884 and win a war on drugs. 813 00:39:44,968 --> 00:39:46,845 And I've asked the commissioner to put 814 00:39:46,928 --> 00:39:49,889 every single available detective in the city of Boston 815 00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:52,350 on this case to find out who the people are-- 816 00:39:52,434 --> 00:39:54,728 or person-- who is responsible for this, 817 00:39:54,811 --> 00:39:58,064 uh, cowardly, senseless, uh, tragedy. 818 00:39:58,148 --> 00:40:00,358 [dramatic music] 819 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,193 - The police and the mayor just, uh, 820 00:40:02,277 --> 00:40:03,486 briefed us moments ago. 821 00:40:03,528 --> 00:40:05,321 This is what we do know at this hour. 822 00:40:05,363 --> 00:40:07,657 Police are looking for a 30-year-old male, 823 00:40:07,699 --> 00:40:10,618 a Black suspect, in connection with a double shooting. 824 00:40:10,702 --> 00:40:12,746 - From Boston tonight, we have a nightmarish story 825 00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:15,373 of random crime and violent death. 826 00:40:15,415 --> 00:40:16,791 - A pregnant woman and her husband, 827 00:40:16,875 --> 00:40:18,918 the victims of random violence tonight. 828 00:40:19,002 --> 00:40:20,378 ♪ ♪ 829 00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:24,549 - The first reaction is, oh, shit, 830 00:40:24,591 --> 00:40:27,344 because now they're going to come looking 831 00:40:27,385 --> 00:40:30,013 for the person who did it. 832 00:40:30,055 --> 00:40:34,809 This is going to end badly for everybody. 833 00:40:39,397 --> 00:40:42,525 [somber music] 834 00:40:42,567 --> 00:40:43,568 - Good evening. 835 00:40:43,651 --> 00:40:44,736 Here's what's happening tonight. 836 00:40:44,778 --> 00:40:47,072 Boston police continue an intense manhunt, 837 00:40:47,155 --> 00:40:49,574 rounding up anyone who might have information 838 00:40:49,616 --> 00:40:51,368 about the abduction and shooting 839 00:40:51,409 --> 00:40:52,911 of a Reading couple in Roxbury. 840 00:40:52,994 --> 00:40:55,288 - A 33-year-old pregnant woman died 841 00:40:55,372 --> 00:40:56,915 from a gunshot wound to the head 842 00:40:56,998 --> 00:40:59,751 after doctors delivered her baby by cesarean section. 843 00:40:59,834 --> 00:41:02,420 Her husband tonight remains in critical condition. 844 00:41:02,504 --> 00:41:04,381 Eyewitness newsman John Dougherty joins us 845 00:41:04,422 --> 00:41:06,591 live now at Boston Police Area B Station 846 00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:09,386 with the latest on the search for a cold-blooded killer. 847 00:41:09,427 --> 00:41:12,597 [siren wailing] 848 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:14,391 - The immediate response of the mayor's office 849 00:41:14,432 --> 00:41:15,892 and the Boston PD was 850 00:41:15,934 --> 00:41:19,104 to accept the story unquestioningly, 851 00:41:19,187 --> 00:41:21,981 and we've gotta go find the guy who did this. 852 00:41:22,065 --> 00:41:24,609 - Dozens of police officers, Boston police detectives, 853 00:41:24,651 --> 00:41:26,319 they are all here and all looking 854 00:41:26,403 --> 00:41:28,196 for the killer of Carol Stuart. 855 00:41:28,279 --> 00:41:31,700 - I've never seen that many police officers in my life, 856 00:41:31,783 --> 00:41:33,660 running across the roof. 857 00:41:33,743 --> 00:41:35,829 Man. 858 00:41:35,912 --> 00:41:41,376 I knew it wasn't just a regular Mission Hill person got shot, 859 00:41:41,459 --> 00:41:43,128 'cause people get shot in Mission Hill, 860 00:41:43,211 --> 00:41:44,421 and they don't come like that. 861 00:41:44,462 --> 00:41:45,964 - Go, go, go! 862 00:41:46,047 --> 00:41:48,466 - They scoured the Mission Hill and Roxbury areas, 863 00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:50,552 the suspect described as a Black male, 864 00:41:50,635 --> 00:41:52,345 about 6 feet tall. 865 00:41:52,429 --> 00:41:53,847 - I instructed the police commissioner 866 00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:56,224 of the city of Boston and the police department 867 00:41:56,307 --> 00:41:59,978 to be as aggressive as they ever have been before. 868 00:42:00,061 --> 00:42:01,646 - The measures that were taken were to conduct 869 00:42:01,730 --> 00:42:04,107 these door-to-door searches 870 00:42:04,149 --> 00:42:06,067 through the Mission Main housing development. 871 00:42:06,151 --> 00:42:07,527 [knocking] 872 00:42:07,610 --> 00:42:08,737 - A great deal of the tips that we've been getting 873 00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:10,447 have been coming down here into the Mission Hill projects. 874 00:42:10,488 --> 00:42:11,781 - It was terrifying. 875 00:42:11,823 --> 00:42:14,075 It was like wild, wild West, man. 876 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,287 Because it was a Black man and a pregnant white woman 877 00:42:17,328 --> 00:42:19,581 in Mission Hill, 878 00:42:19,664 --> 00:42:21,458 oh, we definitely gotta get this guy. 879 00:42:21,499 --> 00:42:23,001 [tense music] 880 00:42:23,084 --> 00:42:26,171 That was the attitude. Like cowboys. 881 00:42:26,212 --> 00:42:27,672 ♪ ♪ 882 00:42:27,756 --> 00:42:29,758 - The Stuart family are the latest victims 883 00:42:29,841 --> 00:42:32,761 in the frightening plague of drugs 884 00:42:32,844 --> 00:42:35,430 and guns in our society. 885 00:42:35,513 --> 00:42:39,142 None of us is safe from this violence. 886 00:42:39,184 --> 00:42:42,687 - What had started to slip away from us with stop and frisk 887 00:42:42,729 --> 00:42:44,606 now was lost completely. 888 00:42:44,689 --> 00:42:48,360 We had no control over police activity. 889 00:42:48,401 --> 00:42:51,488 - I'm walking home from school. 890 00:42:51,529 --> 00:42:53,615 Police start harassing me. 891 00:42:53,698 --> 00:42:57,577 They asked me about if I knew anybody in a gang, 892 00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:59,788 if I was affiliated with one, 893 00:42:59,871 --> 00:43:02,415 if I'd ever been locked up, anything like that. 894 00:43:02,499 --> 00:43:04,709 And I'm like, "No, I'm 14." 895 00:43:07,253 --> 00:43:09,839 - I had to go back to the Tobin Community Center, 896 00:43:09,881 --> 00:43:12,050 where I was director. 897 00:43:12,133 --> 00:43:14,386 Children were coming into the center. 898 00:43:14,427 --> 00:43:15,887 They were crying. 899 00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:17,722 They were afraid to go home. 900 00:43:17,806 --> 00:43:20,475 I'll never forget these guys being strip-searched. 901 00:43:20,517 --> 00:43:23,228 - I live in Roxbury, and I was walking home, 902 00:43:23,311 --> 00:43:25,689 and they just rolled up on me and threw me against the wall 903 00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:26,815 and started searching me. 904 00:43:26,898 --> 00:43:28,149 - And they stopped him and searched him, 905 00:43:28,233 --> 00:43:30,360 make him do things you would never do in public. 906 00:43:30,402 --> 00:43:31,778 - Police pulled up from behind them 907 00:43:31,861 --> 00:43:34,447 and stopped them, searched only four of them, 908 00:43:34,531 --> 00:43:36,491 but made one kid drop his pants. 909 00:43:36,574 --> 00:43:37,575 - Do you think they're doing this because 910 00:43:37,617 --> 00:43:39,077 it was a white person that was shot? 911 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:40,954 - Yeah, they're getting kind of carried away, you know? 912 00:43:41,037 --> 00:43:43,581 I know a couple people who got shot before, and hey. 913 00:43:43,665 --> 00:43:45,500 - Yeah. - They didn't go about it. 914 00:43:45,583 --> 00:43:47,335 It wasn't even on the news. - Five-day hunt. 915 00:43:47,419 --> 00:43:49,462 - This wasn't about policing. 916 00:43:49,546 --> 00:43:54,801 It was exacting harm and retribution 917 00:43:54,884 --> 00:43:59,097 on those folks who did this. 918 00:43:59,139 --> 00:44:04,853 And they looked at us, essentially, as a tribe. 919 00:44:04,936 --> 00:44:06,730 - I ain't got no clue-- nothing, man. 920 00:44:06,771 --> 00:44:07,856 I ain't did nothing-- 921 00:44:07,939 --> 00:44:12,527 - And I think the duality is Carol Stuart. 922 00:44:12,610 --> 00:44:16,072 [solemn music] 923 00:44:16,114 --> 00:44:19,993 I can't, you know, imagine what this must-- 924 00:44:20,076 --> 00:44:23,455 must have meant for her family, who-- 925 00:44:23,496 --> 00:44:26,374 they were simply trying to find out 926 00:44:26,458 --> 00:44:29,919 who murdered their daughter. 927 00:44:29,961 --> 00:44:34,424 ♪ ♪ 928 00:44:34,466 --> 00:44:35,967 [bell ringing] 929 00:44:36,051 --> 00:44:37,886 - There were funeral services today 930 00:44:37,969 --> 00:44:40,722 for Carol Stuart, attended by Boston's mayor, 931 00:44:40,805 --> 00:44:43,391 police commissioner, and members of her family, 932 00:44:43,475 --> 00:44:45,518 except for her husband, Charles, 933 00:44:45,602 --> 00:44:46,686 who is still hospitalized, 934 00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:50,023 wounded by the gunman who killed his pregnant wife. 935 00:44:50,106 --> 00:44:52,484 [somber music] 936 00:44:52,567 --> 00:44:53,651 - The funeral was jammed. 937 00:44:53,735 --> 00:44:55,820 It was standing room only. 938 00:44:55,862 --> 00:45:00,241 We were still in shock, deeply grieving, 939 00:45:00,325 --> 00:45:02,035 totally confused. 940 00:45:02,118 --> 00:45:09,084 ♪ ♪ 941 00:45:12,003 --> 00:45:16,174 Carol was, without question, one of the sunniest people 942 00:45:16,257 --> 00:45:18,259 I've ever known. 943 00:45:18,343 --> 00:45:20,136 Carol came to work for Arthur Young. 944 00:45:20,178 --> 00:45:22,889 She had just graduated from law school. 945 00:45:22,972 --> 00:45:25,225 I got to know her the very first day. 946 00:45:25,308 --> 00:45:29,020 ♪ ♪ 947 00:45:29,104 --> 00:45:31,981 She was very good at tax law. 948 00:45:32,023 --> 00:45:34,859 We worked ridiculous hours, 949 00:45:34,943 --> 00:45:38,029 and her dad, who made pizza for a living, 950 00:45:38,071 --> 00:45:40,740 would bring us pizza at 9:00 at night 951 00:45:40,824 --> 00:45:43,702 and say, "You work too many hours! 952 00:45:43,743 --> 00:45:45,036 You work too long!" 953 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,830 And he'd come in with all these boxes-- 954 00:45:46,871 --> 00:45:48,206 boxes of pizza. 955 00:45:48,289 --> 00:45:51,292 So it was pretty easy to see her-- 956 00:45:51,376 --> 00:45:53,336 her generosity of spirit. 957 00:45:53,378 --> 00:45:59,217 ♪ ♪ 958 00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:00,635 - It's--it's sick. 959 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:01,886 It's sick. 960 00:46:01,928 --> 00:46:04,180 She had so much, um, to live for. 961 00:46:04,222 --> 00:46:06,266 Um, and her husband, 962 00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:08,018 I remember when they first got engaged. 963 00:46:08,059 --> 00:46:12,731 It was just, uh, a lot to live for, you know? 964 00:46:12,814 --> 00:46:14,733 - When she came to work for Arthur Young, 965 00:46:14,816 --> 00:46:16,651 she was engaged to Chuck Stuart, 966 00:46:16,735 --> 00:46:19,612 and the wedding was not long after 967 00:46:19,696 --> 00:46:21,573 she came to work at Arthur Young. 968 00:46:21,614 --> 00:46:24,659 ♪ ♪ 969 00:46:24,743 --> 00:46:26,161 She and Chuck met at a restaurant. 970 00:46:26,244 --> 00:46:28,913 She was a waitress, and he was a grill cook. 971 00:46:28,955 --> 00:46:31,624 She would pass him the slip of paper 972 00:46:31,708 --> 00:46:32,751 with the orders on it, 973 00:46:32,792 --> 00:46:35,211 and he would pass her love notes. 974 00:46:35,253 --> 00:46:37,297 In their first year of marriage, 975 00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:39,758 she would come into the office, and she'd say, 976 00:46:39,799 --> 00:46:42,218 "Ugh! You know, Chuck!" 977 00:46:42,260 --> 00:46:44,179 We didn't--you know, and she'd tell this story 978 00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:47,390 about how he would-- he'd done something that-- 979 00:46:47,432 --> 00:46:48,767 that just drove her crazy. 980 00:46:48,850 --> 00:46:53,480 And then not 20 minutes later, 981 00:46:53,563 --> 00:46:55,899 a--a large vase 982 00:46:55,940 --> 00:47:00,904 of 12 or 24 roses 983 00:47:00,945 --> 00:47:06,117 would come down the hall to be delivered to Carol. 984 00:47:06,201 --> 00:47:08,995 He took her to New York for the weekends 985 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:12,248 to--you know, for restaurants and plays, 986 00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:15,460 and he bought her gorgeous jewelry. 987 00:47:15,543 --> 00:47:16,961 ♪ ♪ 988 00:47:17,045 --> 00:47:22,092 She was very excited about having her first child. 989 00:47:22,175 --> 00:47:25,095 - [sobbing] 990 00:47:25,136 --> 00:47:32,143 ♪ ♪ 991 00:47:35,647 --> 00:47:38,358 - I remember it being beyond sad. 992 00:47:38,441 --> 00:47:39,859 ♪ ♪ 993 00:47:39,943 --> 00:47:42,696 Chuck Stuart couldn't be there. 994 00:47:42,779 --> 00:47:44,531 And I remember someone reading the letter 995 00:47:44,614 --> 00:47:47,450 that he wrote for Carol. 996 00:47:47,492 --> 00:47:50,370 - The following is a message from Chuck to his wife, Carol. 997 00:47:50,453 --> 00:47:52,997 ♪ ♪ 998 00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:54,833 "Good night, sweet wife, my love. 999 00:47:54,916 --> 00:47:57,919 "God has called you to His hands, 1000 00:47:58,003 --> 00:47:59,963 "not to take you away from me, 1001 00:48:00,005 --> 00:48:02,173 "all the happiness and gladness you brought, 1002 00:48:02,215 --> 00:48:04,050 "but to bring you away from the cruelty and violence 1003 00:48:04,134 --> 00:48:07,012 "that fills this world. 1004 00:48:07,095 --> 00:48:09,014 "He says that for us to truly believe, 1005 00:48:09,055 --> 00:48:11,391 "we must know that His will was done 1006 00:48:11,474 --> 00:48:14,310 "and that there was some right in this meanest of acts. 1007 00:48:14,352 --> 00:48:18,273 In our souls, we must forgive this sinner." 1008 00:48:18,356 --> 00:48:20,108 ♪ ♪ 1009 00:48:20,191 --> 00:48:21,985 "You have brought joy and kindness 1010 00:48:22,027 --> 00:48:23,945 "to every life you've touched. 1011 00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:25,780 "Now you sleep away from me. 1012 00:48:25,864 --> 00:48:27,365 "I will never again know the feeling 1013 00:48:27,449 --> 00:48:30,702 "of your hand in mine, but I will always feel you. 1014 00:48:30,785 --> 00:48:33,163 "I miss you, and I love you. 1015 00:48:33,204 --> 00:48:35,749 Your husband, Chuck." 1016 00:48:35,832 --> 00:48:40,295 - I remember, like, crying. 1017 00:48:40,378 --> 00:48:41,755 ♪ ♪ 1018 00:48:41,838 --> 00:48:44,758 Like, this is--this poor guy. 1019 00:48:44,841 --> 00:48:47,677 This is--this is beyond belief, what's happened to him. 1020 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:54,726 ♪ ♪ 1021 00:49:03,902 --> 00:49:05,904 - Boston police remain tight-lipped 1022 00:49:05,987 --> 00:49:08,073 about what could be a major break 1023 00:49:08,156 --> 00:49:09,657 in the investigation into the shootings 1024 00:49:09,741 --> 00:49:11,451 of Chuck and Carol Stuart. 1025 00:49:11,534 --> 00:49:13,620 - Boston police remain closed-mouthed 1026 00:49:13,703 --> 00:49:15,038 about the material seized 1027 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,706 from the apartment at number eight, 1028 00:49:16,748 --> 00:49:18,917 Cornelia Court on Saturday night. 1029 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,127 The search warrant shows police recovered 1030 00:49:21,211 --> 00:49:23,630 what may be a key piece of evidence 1031 00:49:23,713 --> 00:49:26,091 in the Stuart murder case. 1032 00:49:26,174 --> 00:49:30,637 - My partner and myself are riding around. 1033 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,180 Someone flags us down and says, 1034 00:49:32,263 --> 00:49:36,142 "There's a couple squatting in this apartment. 1035 00:49:36,226 --> 00:49:38,311 They could be involved." 1036 00:49:38,395 --> 00:49:41,147 I said, "Okay." 1037 00:49:41,231 --> 00:49:45,360 Using our charm, we ended up convincing them 1038 00:49:45,443 --> 00:49:47,070 to open the door. 1039 00:49:47,112 --> 00:49:49,656 We go in. It's a guy and a girl. 1040 00:49:49,739 --> 00:49:53,827 And the girl's whispering to me, 1041 00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:58,790 "He did a robbery in Cambridge, and there's a gun in here." 1042 00:49:58,832 --> 00:50:01,626 Uh, his name was Alan Swanson. 1043 00:50:01,668 --> 00:50:04,587 [tense music] 1044 00:50:04,629 --> 00:50:05,922 ♪ ♪ 1045 00:50:05,964 --> 00:50:07,799 I go in the bathroom, and there's a-- 1046 00:50:07,841 --> 00:50:10,427 a running suit, 1047 00:50:10,468 --> 00:50:12,012 black running suit, 1048 00:50:12,095 --> 00:50:14,514 soaking in the sink. 1049 00:50:19,686 --> 00:50:21,521 - And on the-- 1050 00:50:21,604 --> 00:50:24,482 behind the toilet, 1051 00:50:24,524 --> 00:50:26,818 there's a bunch of newspaper articles 1052 00:50:26,901 --> 00:50:28,278 about the Stuart case. 1053 00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:32,115 ♪ ♪ 1054 00:50:32,157 --> 00:50:34,659 - The description, the guy had on, uh, 1055 00:50:34,743 --> 00:50:37,120 an Adidas tracksuit--typical. 1056 00:50:37,162 --> 00:50:39,497 Adidas tracksuit was the outfit 1057 00:50:39,581 --> 00:50:45,712 of Black kids in Boston in the late '80s, early '90s. 1058 00:50:45,795 --> 00:50:46,921 Everything was Adidas. 1059 00:50:47,005 --> 00:50:49,841 It was so open-ended. 1060 00:50:49,883 --> 00:50:52,677 It was so generic, the description... 1061 00:50:52,761 --> 00:50:56,348 ♪ ♪ 1062 00:50:56,389 --> 00:50:59,309 That it could have been anybody. 1063 00:50:59,351 --> 00:51:00,435 - Are the people that shot you, 1064 00:51:00,518 --> 00:51:02,020 are they in the area right there? 1065 00:51:02,103 --> 00:51:03,146 - The suspect described as a Black male, 1066 00:51:03,188 --> 00:51:04,647 about 6 feet tall. 1067 00:51:04,689 --> 00:51:07,108 - Police are looking for a Black suspect. 1068 00:51:07,192 --> 00:51:09,027 - Obviously, when a crime is committed, 1069 00:51:09,110 --> 00:51:11,237 you're gonna go try to solve it. 1070 00:51:11,321 --> 00:51:16,659 But the way this went down was a racial overreaction. 1071 00:51:16,701 --> 00:51:19,371 - He said they were shot by a Black man. 1072 00:51:19,412 --> 00:51:21,664 - It wasn't as though we weren't thinking, okay, 1073 00:51:21,706 --> 00:51:26,711 why is this such a given that somebody Black did this? 1074 00:51:26,753 --> 00:51:30,215 ♪ ♪ 1075 00:51:30,298 --> 00:51:33,009 Everybody knows the prime suspect 1076 00:51:33,051 --> 00:51:34,469 is usually the partner. 1077 00:51:39,015 --> 00:51:42,060 - Sure, if the man's bleeding to death, 1078 00:51:42,102 --> 00:51:44,437 you would have some sympathy for that. 1079 00:51:44,521 --> 00:51:46,272 ♪ ♪ 1080 00:51:46,356 --> 00:51:49,984 But you would also ask, if I'm going to rob somebody, 1081 00:51:50,068 --> 00:51:53,154 why would I shoot the pregnant woman 1082 00:51:53,238 --> 00:51:55,615 fatally in the head 1083 00:51:55,699 --> 00:51:59,494 and shoot him in the side? 1084 00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:01,329 ♪ ♪ 1085 00:52:01,413 --> 00:52:03,081 If you were gonna kill someone, 1086 00:52:03,123 --> 00:52:04,457 it would be the immediate threat, 1087 00:52:04,541 --> 00:52:06,584 which to me would be the man. 1088 00:52:06,668 --> 00:52:10,171 All of these things are absolutely 1089 00:52:10,255 --> 00:52:12,924 worth interrogating on day one. 1090 00:52:16,761 --> 00:52:19,264 - But it didn't happen in a vacuum in the city. 1091 00:52:19,347 --> 00:52:21,433 This was building. 1092 00:52:21,474 --> 00:52:25,562 You go back between 1974, the Garrity decision, 1093 00:52:25,603 --> 00:52:28,815 and you go all the way through to 1990. 1094 00:52:28,898 --> 00:52:31,776 [indistinct yelling] 1095 00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:34,612 ♪ ♪ 1096 00:52:34,696 --> 00:52:36,489 You've got racial animus in the city 1097 00:52:36,573 --> 00:52:39,159 that is just waiting to explode. 1098 00:52:39,242 --> 00:52:42,454 When you start connecting all of these dots, 1099 00:52:42,495 --> 00:52:45,582 it creates a really ugly puzzle. 1100 00:52:45,623 --> 00:52:49,753 You had plenty of Black people thinking, 1101 00:52:49,794 --> 00:52:51,379 "Hold on. Wait a minute. 1102 00:52:51,463 --> 00:52:53,131 This doesn't quite fit." 1103 00:52:53,173 --> 00:52:56,092 [dramatic music] 1104 00:52:56,134 --> 00:53:00,305 ♪ ♪ 1105 00:53:03,725 --> 00:53:06,644 [ominous music] 1106 00:53:06,686 --> 00:53:13,651 ♪ ♪ 1107 00:54:43,241 --> 00:54:45,410 [bright tone]