1 00:00:02,294 --> 00:00:03,713 I have just taken a prisoner. 2 00:00:03,796 --> 00:00:07,174 I got a 12-gauge sawed-off shotgun wrapped around a man's neck. 3 00:00:07,258 --> 00:00:09,093 -Fred, there's a call for you. -I've got to get on the air. 4 00:00:09,176 --> 00:00:12,471 -It's Tony Kiritsis. -Hello, Tony. You are live and on the air. 5 00:00:12,555 --> 00:00:14,640 Well, I didn't take Dick here to be a buffoon. 6 00:00:14,724 --> 00:00:16,142 I took him for vengeance. 7 00:00:16,225 --> 00:00:18,936 The moment we are in the story, we lose our way as journalists. 8 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:19,854 I will hold the line. 9 00:00:19,937 --> 00:00:21,731 That's the funny thing about lines is they're always moving. 10 00:00:21,814 --> 00:00:24,525 I want an apology from M.L. Hall himself. 11 00:00:24,608 --> 00:00:26,736 Bill, maybe you could get him on the fucking phone. 12 00:00:26,819 --> 00:00:27,737 He's not here. 13 00:00:27,820 --> 00:00:29,572 -In the office? -In the state. 14 00:00:29,655 --> 00:00:31,782 I'm not apologizing. 15 00:00:31,866 --> 00:00:34,243 -I chose you for a reason. -You chose me? 16 00:00:34,326 --> 00:00:37,538 I knew that for people to really understand my situation... 17 00:00:37,621 --> 00:00:39,623 Tony! Tony! 18 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:40,708 ...I needed you. 19 00:00:43,961 --> 00:00:44,962 I have an exclusive. 20 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:47,590 Eight years ago, Tony imprisoned his sister in her home. 21 00:00:47,673 --> 00:00:49,508 I think you've got your first story. 22 00:00:49,592 --> 00:00:52,094 You run that story, we're gonna get a repeat of what we had tonight, 23 00:00:52,178 --> 00:00:53,512 and this time, we will not be so lucky. 24 00:00:53,596 --> 00:00:55,681 I'm sorry. We're killing the story. 25 00:00:55,765 --> 00:00:58,100 The story we're putting together on Meridian, are you gonna kill that too? 26 00:00:58,184 --> 00:01:00,227 -I'm just trying to do what's right. -How's that line holding now? 27 00:01:00,311 --> 00:01:02,062 I think the story got away from you. 28 00:01:02,146 --> 00:01:04,940 I write the news. I'm the lead reporter on this story. 29 00:01:05,024 --> 00:01:07,067 Fred, you are the story. 30 00:02:38,534 --> 00:02:39,535 The usual, Dick? 31 00:02:45,916 --> 00:02:47,209 -Five-six. -No way! 32 00:02:47,293 --> 00:02:49,753 I swear. 5-foot-6, even. 33 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:51,589 Can he even ride a roller coaster? 34 00:02:52,131 --> 00:02:54,841 You must be this tall to kidnap Dicky Hall. 35 00:02:55,843 --> 00:02:59,513 Fix your collar, Dick. You look like a singing waiter. 36 00:02:59,597 --> 00:03:03,767 What kind of man lets himself get taken hostage? 37 00:03:05,394 --> 00:03:06,604 Fuck! 38 00:03:06,687 --> 00:03:08,022 Oh, shit. 39 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:37,009 Go to bed. 40 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:39,470 We'll discuss it later. 41 00:04:11,377 --> 00:04:13,462 -Fred Heckman. -I was hoping you wouldn't pick up. 42 00:04:13,963 --> 00:04:15,297 One of us should be rested. 43 00:04:15,381 --> 00:04:16,923 Well, that's not happening tonight. 44 00:04:17,675 --> 00:04:19,927 Well, it makes sense. You were a Naval cryptologist. 45 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:22,388 Of course you can't sleep when there's a puzzle to solve. 46 00:04:22,471 --> 00:04:24,431 How are our friends in C-308? 47 00:04:24,515 --> 00:04:27,476 Tony is up and moving around. I guess he couldn't sleep either. 48 00:04:28,102 --> 00:04:29,395 He put Dick in the bathroom. 49 00:04:29,478 --> 00:04:32,314 Well, that's better than keeping him wired to the shotgun. 50 00:04:32,398 --> 00:04:35,025 Well, hostage takers who use blindfolds have a higher rate 51 00:04:35,109 --> 00:04:36,318 of killing their captives. 52 00:04:36,819 --> 00:04:39,488 If they can't look them in the eye, they cease to exist. 53 00:04:40,072 --> 00:04:42,533 To that end, I was hoping that you and Mrs. Heckman 54 00:04:42,616 --> 00:04:44,618 could broker a call to Mrs. Hall today. 55 00:04:44,702 --> 00:04:46,662 I really don't wanna drag her any further into this. 56 00:04:46,745 --> 00:04:49,123 Tony romanticizes wives and children. 57 00:04:49,206 --> 00:04:52,918 Ibby reminds him that Dick's a family man. Makes him look him in the eye. 58 00:04:53,002 --> 00:04:55,713 -I will ask her. -Thank you. 59 00:04:55,796 --> 00:04:57,756 I got in touch with Tony's brother, Jimmie. 60 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:59,341 He was traveling, but he's on his way now. 61 00:04:59,925 --> 00:05:02,344 Today's mission is reminding Tony that he's got something to live for. 62 00:05:04,722 --> 00:05:06,974 Where are we with this immunity deal? 63 00:05:07,057 --> 00:05:10,394 We can leave that to the lawyers. We're just buying Dick one hour at a time. 64 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:12,730 Good luck with the broadcast. 65 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:14,481 You've got an audience of one. 66 00:05:14,565 --> 00:05:15,566 Thanks a lot. 67 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:37,129 How'd you sleep, baby? 68 00:05:37,713 --> 00:05:42,009 Top story has not changed. We will lead with a reset on Kiritsis. 69 00:05:42,509 --> 00:05:43,552 Next. 70 00:05:43,635 --> 00:05:47,806 Indiana Senate rejected a proposal to repeal capital punishment, 71 00:05:47,890 --> 00:05:49,016 State Bill 84. 72 00:05:49,099 --> 00:05:50,183 Ginny, you wanna write that up? 73 00:05:51,226 --> 00:05:52,394 And Ginny? 74 00:05:52,478 --> 00:05:54,563 -S.B. 84, on it. -Thank you. 75 00:05:55,814 --> 00:05:57,733 National seems a little bit lighter today. 76 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:02,237 There is a hot air balloonist attempting to fly from California to Florida. Last-- 77 00:06:02,321 --> 00:06:03,989 Are we gonna talk about what happened last night? 78 00:06:04,073 --> 00:06:05,866 We can, later. 79 00:06:05,949 --> 00:06:08,327 Well, I just think the staff would feel a lot better if we could just-- 80 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:11,455 Well, I have to be on the air in ten minutes, so later. 81 00:06:12,456 --> 00:06:15,959 Let's finish up with a minute on the hot air balloonist. 82 00:06:16,835 --> 00:06:19,546 Franco, anything else from the sports desk? 83 00:06:19,630 --> 00:06:22,508 Games were won. Games were lost. 84 00:06:23,967 --> 00:06:24,802 Okay. 85 00:06:25,761 --> 00:06:30,182 It could be the last day of our lives, Dick, so let's enjoy ourselves. 86 00:06:30,265 --> 00:06:31,725 Go ahead, eat up. 87 00:06:32,976 --> 00:06:36,480 WIBC had a 24-hour telethon. 88 00:06:36,563 --> 00:06:38,148 Ten bucks for the mug. 89 00:06:40,234 --> 00:06:44,238 Twenty would have got me a baseball hat, but I got a big head. 90 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:46,698 One size fits most. 91 00:06:49,076 --> 00:06:50,744 That's how much I love Fred Heckman. 92 00:06:52,788 --> 00:06:54,790 Fred, the morning wire has Tony up top. 93 00:06:54,873 --> 00:06:57,251 IBC has not seen this much heat 94 00:06:57,334 --> 00:07:00,295 since we tied up Indiana Bell phone lines with the Sugar Daddy contest, remember? 95 00:07:00,379 --> 00:07:01,380 I got fined for that too. 96 00:07:01,463 --> 00:07:03,674 Oh, you know, Dick Hall's doing great, by the way. 97 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:05,342 Still at the end of a shotgun, but... 98 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:08,804 Pam's buried in last-minute buy-in. Garfinkel's wants in on the VDP. 99 00:07:08,887 --> 00:07:11,932 That's the Valentine's Day Promo 100 00:07:12,015 --> 00:07:14,017 Fred, Tony's on line three. 101 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:15,727 -What's his mood? -Fussy. 102 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:17,896 -Great. -"Great." 103 00:07:18,647 --> 00:07:19,773 Hiya, Tony. 104 00:07:19,857 --> 00:07:20,941 Hey, Fred. 105 00:07:21,024 --> 00:07:21,900 You-- 106 00:07:25,362 --> 00:07:27,489 Maybe you and I can fix this thing today, huh? 107 00:07:27,573 --> 00:07:28,448 -Hopefully. -Yeah. 108 00:07:28,532 --> 00:07:30,367 Listen, you know, I've never been one for sports, 109 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:32,452 but I need to be able to talk to my barber, 110 00:07:32,536 --> 00:07:35,038 so I listen to Franco in the morning. 111 00:07:35,122 --> 00:07:38,542 And... today, every question was about me. 112 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:41,670 Well, listen, if they got questions, I got answers. 113 00:07:41,753 --> 00:07:43,589 Why don't you let me take some calls? 114 00:07:47,467 --> 00:07:50,804 Certainly. I'm sure we could find the time to work something out for you? 115 00:07:50,888 --> 00:07:51,722 -Sure. -Yeah. 116 00:07:51,805 --> 00:07:54,933 Well, why don't you put me on now? What do you got next? 117 00:07:55,017 --> 00:07:57,311 Bird Talk. Nobody listens to that. 118 00:07:57,394 --> 00:08:00,355 Well, you know, Tony, I think with a call-in kind of thing, 119 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,817 it might be better to record it, beforehand. 120 00:08:03,901 --> 00:08:06,862 Well, why don't you let me set the record straight? 121 00:08:08,030 --> 00:08:11,283 Mr. Kiritsis, this is Jerry Morris, IBC station manager. 122 00:08:11,366 --> 00:08:13,327 Look, we'd love to have you on the air. 123 00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:15,704 Why don't we put a call out and we'll have you on for the nine o'clock hour? 124 00:08:15,787 --> 00:08:17,247 -How's that sound? -That's perfect. 125 00:08:17,331 --> 00:08:20,417 Give me a chance to make some tea. My voice is damn near shot. 126 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:21,668 Are you out of your mind? 127 00:08:21,752 --> 00:08:23,045 Are you out of your mind? 128 00:08:23,128 --> 00:08:24,504 -What if someone calls him crazy? -Hello? 129 00:08:24,588 --> 00:08:25,505 We'll screen him beforehand. 130 00:08:25,589 --> 00:08:26,757 -Hello? -Yesterday, you were worried 131 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,217 about 300-dollars-a-curse-word. 132 00:08:28,300 --> 00:08:29,927 Now you're desperate to put this guy on live? 133 00:08:30,010 --> 00:08:31,845 If anybody says anything they shouldn't, we'll cut it off. 134 00:08:31,929 --> 00:08:34,431 -We don't have a dump button, Jerry. -Fine. I'll put him on with Franco. 135 00:08:35,307 --> 00:08:36,475 -Hello? -Hey, Tony. 136 00:08:36,558 --> 00:08:38,559 -Sorry about that. Yeah. -Hey. 137 00:08:38,644 --> 00:08:40,938 Listen, why don't you and I take some calls? 138 00:08:41,772 --> 00:08:43,398 -Yeah. Great. -But I need you to-- 139 00:08:43,482 --> 00:08:44,942 I need you to promise me a couple things. 140 00:08:45,025 --> 00:08:48,695 The number one, I need you to remain calm at all times, 141 00:08:48,779 --> 00:08:50,072 and... 142 00:08:50,155 --> 00:08:52,908 and really, really refrain from the profanity. 143 00:08:55,577 --> 00:08:56,620 I'll do my best. 144 00:08:57,663 --> 00:08:59,581 -That's all we're asking for, Tony. -Yeah, 145 00:08:59,665 --> 00:09:02,125 -Yeah, yeah. Okay. -Okay. We'll be in touch with the details. 146 00:09:02,209 --> 00:09:03,877 Yeah. Call me back. Call me back. 147 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,255 Get ready, motherfucker. 148 00:09:07,673 --> 00:09:09,258 That went rather well. 149 00:09:10,592 --> 00:09:12,844 We have had quite a morning here 150 00:09:12,928 --> 00:09:15,973 at the station at the request of Mr. Tony Kiritsis, 151 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:19,559 we are gonna open the phone lines to discuss his situation. 152 00:09:19,643 --> 00:09:21,770 As long as we can all remain calm and civil, 153 00:09:21,853 --> 00:09:25,524 we will answer some calls right after these important announcements. 154 00:09:27,025 --> 00:09:28,402 Hey, Tony, are you there? 155 00:09:28,485 --> 00:09:30,570 -Ready, Freddie. -I just need you to stick to the facts. 156 00:09:30,654 --> 00:09:33,282 -Can you do that for me, pal? -Of course, Fred. That's all I do. 157 00:09:33,365 --> 00:09:35,826 Okay. Then... then here we go. 158 00:09:36,493 --> 00:09:38,620 Okay, caller, you are on the air. 159 00:09:38,704 --> 00:09:41,415 Oh, hi. Am I talking to Tony? 160 00:09:41,498 --> 00:09:43,000 Yes, ma'am. I'm here. 161 00:09:43,083 --> 00:09:45,544 It's Frances Greer. Do you remember me, Tony? 162 00:09:45,627 --> 00:09:47,546 Yeah. Hi, Frances. How are you doing? 163 00:09:47,629 --> 00:09:48,755 -Oh, how... -I remember you. 164 00:09:48,839 --> 00:09:50,299 How do you two know one another? 165 00:09:50,382 --> 00:09:53,844 Oh, Tony worked with my husband at the car dealership. 166 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:55,095 What's your question, honey? 167 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,266 Well, so the Halls. They cheated you out of a deal for your land, right? 168 00:09:59,349 --> 00:10:00,350 That's correct. 169 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:02,602 But you're still going to pay your loan back? 170 00:10:02,686 --> 00:10:04,146 All I want is a fair shake. 171 00:10:04,229 --> 00:10:06,148 Oh, okay. Thank you for your call, Frances. 172 00:10:06,231 --> 00:10:09,318 It sounds to me like you don't owe them. They owe you. 173 00:10:09,401 --> 00:10:12,529 -You think? -Well, regarding the Eisner-Osco deal-- 174 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:16,241 You're being honorable, Tony, but when have bankers been honorable? 175 00:10:16,325 --> 00:10:19,453 They owe you the profit you would have made from the steakhouse. 176 00:10:19,536 --> 00:10:20,996 Get what you're owed, Tony. 177 00:10:21,079 --> 00:10:23,081 Well, thank you, Frances. That's very helpful. 178 00:10:23,165 --> 00:10:24,458 I'm gonna get what I'm owed. 179 00:10:24,541 --> 00:10:26,293 Thank you. I hadn't thought about that. 180 00:10:27,794 --> 00:10:28,879 Okay. 181 00:10:30,756 --> 00:10:31,882 I think we're ready here. 182 00:10:32,424 --> 00:10:33,342 Caller, go ahead. 183 00:10:33,425 --> 00:10:37,387 Meridian boarded up my house when I fell behind on my mortgage. 184 00:10:37,471 --> 00:10:40,932 They literally came and nailed boards over my windows. 185 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:45,020 But when I paid off my debt, they wouldn't fix the windows. 186 00:10:45,103 --> 00:10:50,859 They say they're a family company, Tony, but they're crooks. 187 00:10:50,942 --> 00:10:52,694 Crooks. That's all. 188 00:10:52,778 --> 00:10:55,697 Ever since we went off the gold standard... 189 00:10:55,781 --> 00:10:58,116 Nixon was framed. 190 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,911 And they're trying to frame you too, Tony. 191 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:03,622 Best president in the history of this country. 192 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:06,375 Judy, what is going on in there? 193 00:11:06,458 --> 00:11:09,753 Can we get some less provocative people calling in? 194 00:11:09,836 --> 00:11:13,423 These are the least provocative calls. Everybody else wants him to kill Dick. 195 00:11:13,507 --> 00:11:14,758 What's your question, honey? 196 00:11:16,593 --> 00:11:20,931 Okay, I believe we have time for one more call. 197 00:11:21,431 --> 00:11:23,183 Caller, go ahead. You're on the air. 198 00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:29,439 I just wanted to say my husband got laid off from the Carrier plant in '73, 199 00:11:29,523 --> 00:11:33,068 and we were a year behind on our payments to Meridian, 200 00:11:33,151 --> 00:11:36,947 and... and my husband had a nervous breakdown. 201 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:39,408 I came home, and I found him. 202 00:11:39,491 --> 00:11:42,577 Thankfully, he was all right, but I almost lost him. 203 00:11:43,245 --> 00:11:45,122 Well, I'm very sorry to hear that, ma'am. 204 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:47,124 And even at our lowest, 205 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:50,210 Meridian gave us 30 days, or they'd foreclose. 206 00:11:50,752 --> 00:11:55,590 Tony, I'd like to set up a legal fund for you, I really would. 207 00:11:55,674 --> 00:11:59,010 Thank you, ma'am. But you keep your money. 208 00:11:59,594 --> 00:12:02,347 I'm gonna get what's owed to me, just like the people said. 209 00:12:02,931 --> 00:12:05,976 I hope you do. We're all behind you. 210 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:08,395 Well, why don't we leave it right there? 211 00:12:08,478 --> 00:12:10,564 That's the end of the hour for me. 212 00:12:10,647 --> 00:12:13,775 Thank you for your calls. Tony, thank you for your time. 213 00:12:13,859 --> 00:12:14,901 Thank you, Fred. 214 00:12:15,444 --> 00:12:19,614 This is WIBC Radio. I'm Fred Heckman. Next up is Ben Hairston. 215 00:12:19,698 --> 00:12:21,032 Stay tuned. 216 00:12:21,116 --> 00:12:22,367 Over and out. 217 00:12:22,451 --> 00:12:25,245 WIBC 218 00:12:25,328 --> 00:12:26,621 Well, we learned a lot. 219 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,708 The negotiation committee's meeting. 220 00:12:29,791 --> 00:12:31,835 Well done on the call-in. That could have gone very badly. 221 00:12:31,918 --> 00:12:34,880 Give Tony another couple hours, he'll be signing autographs. 222 00:12:34,963 --> 00:12:37,382 It's human nature to admire Tony. 223 00:12:37,466 --> 00:12:41,845 A power fantasy for people who wouldn't be able to do it themselves. 224 00:12:41,928 --> 00:12:43,722 Who hasn't imagined killing their boss? 225 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,768 Yeah, I love hot sandwiches. 226 00:12:48,852 --> 00:12:50,270 How is that relevant? 227 00:12:50,353 --> 00:12:52,689 Let's make this fast. I got to get back to Crestwood. 228 00:12:53,231 --> 00:12:55,901 -Mr. Heckman. I don't think you're-- -Yes, yes, Fred is off the record. 229 00:12:56,860 --> 00:12:59,738 But before we start, I'd like to get clear on what we're talking about here. 230 00:12:59,821 --> 00:13:04,117 You and your surfboarding boss are going to offer my client immunity. 231 00:13:04,201 --> 00:13:05,577 Are you really his lawyers? 232 00:13:05,660 --> 00:13:07,787 -Oh, what would you mean by that? -I think you know what I mean. 233 00:13:07,871 --> 00:13:08,997 I don't. 234 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,541 Christ, John, your client's got a gun to a man's head. 235 00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:13,335 I wanna know if you're gonna help us end this. 236 00:13:13,418 --> 00:13:14,878 How dare you, sir? 237 00:13:14,961 --> 00:13:17,088 The right to fair and zealous counsel 238 00:13:17,172 --> 00:13:22,177 is inalienable regardless of what Mr. Kiritsis may or may not have done. 239 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:24,137 If you think for one second 240 00:13:24,221 --> 00:13:29,142 that his lawyers are gonna act as anything other than honest counsel, think again. 241 00:13:29,226 --> 00:13:30,727 If you truly want to end this, 242 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:33,813 you will grant my client complete criminal immunity. 243 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:38,235 All right. D.A. Kelley-- 244 00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:40,987 -Who's currently slathered in suntan oil. -He's at a conference. 245 00:13:41,071 --> 00:13:42,072 Allegedly. 246 00:13:42,739 --> 00:13:47,035 Kelley has authorized us to negotiate an immunity deal for Mr. Kiritsis. 247 00:13:47,118 --> 00:13:49,829 -The whole kit and caboodle? -Full immunity. 248 00:13:49,913 --> 00:13:51,665 There's no precedent for this, correct? 249 00:13:52,582 --> 00:13:53,415 I mean, during Attica, 250 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:56,294 Rockefeller was never gonna accept the demands for amnesty. 251 00:13:56,378 --> 00:13:59,297 That's because they'd already killed a guard. 252 00:13:59,381 --> 00:14:04,010 Mr. Kiritsis hasn't hijacked a plane. He hasn't shot a police officer. 253 00:14:04,094 --> 00:14:07,264 He's proceeded with remarkable caution. 254 00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,391 Well, aren't you worried about the precedent that this sets? 255 00:14:09,474 --> 00:14:12,018 I mean, are we really saying that someone can just take somebody hostage 256 00:14:12,102 --> 00:14:14,396 and wire their apartment to blow to smithereens, 257 00:14:14,479 --> 00:14:15,647 and they just walk away scot-free? 258 00:14:15,730 --> 00:14:17,524 It's common for criminals to strike plea deals. 259 00:14:17,607 --> 00:14:18,441 Alleged criminals. 260 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:22,153 Utilized at the government's discretion to avert greater wrongs. 261 00:14:22,237 --> 00:14:24,030 In this case, the death of Mr. Hall. 262 00:14:24,114 --> 00:14:26,199 The priority is getting the hostage out safely. 263 00:14:26,283 --> 00:14:27,409 -Exactly. -Yes. 264 00:14:27,492 --> 00:14:28,702 And you're okay with this? 265 00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:31,329 Don't look at me. These aren't my monkeys. 266 00:14:31,413 --> 00:14:33,582 We've got one shot at this, gentlemen. 267 00:14:34,124 --> 00:14:37,752 So whatever deal you work out, Tony needs to feel like it's his choice. 268 00:14:37,836 --> 00:14:41,673 Okay. I'll call Tony. You guys get going on the particulars. 269 00:14:41,756 --> 00:14:43,300 We'll start redlining the document. 270 00:14:44,009 --> 00:14:44,926 Sorry, what document? 271 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:47,095 The document I sent over last night, yes? 272 00:14:48,096 --> 00:14:49,180 Tony's demands. 273 00:15:00,317 --> 00:15:02,736 -They offering immunity? -I was off-the-record. 274 00:15:04,487 --> 00:15:05,947 Now I know that look. 275 00:15:06,031 --> 00:15:06,865 Yeah? 276 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:09,075 Follow your instincts. 277 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:12,704 And if I do figure it out, who decides if it airs, you or McNally? 278 00:15:16,499 --> 00:15:17,375 All right then. 279 00:15:17,459 --> 00:15:20,128 Mr. Heckman, my name is Ben Hairston from WIBC. 280 00:15:20,211 --> 00:15:21,171 I don't have time for this. 281 00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:22,714 As an active member of the negotiating committee, 282 00:15:22,797 --> 00:15:25,342 -what can you tell... -Stop it. What is it you're doing? 283 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:27,093 Well, if you're not a journalist, you're a source. 284 00:15:27,177 --> 00:15:30,263 I made a judgment call last night, okay? That's what I get paid to do. 285 00:15:30,347 --> 00:15:34,517 I won't apologize for prioritizing a man's life over a story. 286 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:36,061 Last chance, Mr. Heckman. 287 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:38,271 What can you tell us about immunity negotiations? 288 00:15:38,355 --> 00:15:39,230 No comment. 289 00:15:44,361 --> 00:15:45,695 And how do you spell that? 290 00:15:47,072 --> 00:15:49,115 S-N-I-D-E-R. 291 00:15:52,202 --> 00:15:53,328 I will ask him. 292 00:15:53,411 --> 00:15:54,871 Yeah, you got it. Fred. 293 00:15:55,914 --> 00:15:58,792 One of the Purdue students who was suspended for the sit-in. 294 00:15:58,875 --> 00:16:01,044 He's open for an interview as long as you call him before 6. 295 00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:03,296 Oh, okay. Thank you. 296 00:16:04,547 --> 00:16:06,466 -Fred. -Mr. Heckman. 297 00:16:08,134 --> 00:16:09,803 -Ben Hairston. -Oh, right. 298 00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:11,346 Yes. Nice to meet you. 299 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:13,306 You the guy that did the stint in Anchorage? 300 00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:14,766 No. 301 00:16:17,268 --> 00:16:19,771 Okay. Well, come on in. 302 00:16:19,854 --> 00:16:23,483 Anyway, if President Hovde calls, you let me know. 303 00:16:23,566 --> 00:16:24,484 Yep. 304 00:16:25,777 --> 00:16:29,030 Eight months at the Observer, six months in Kansas City... 305 00:16:29,114 --> 00:16:32,283 My broad array of experience has prepared me to fit into any newsroom. 306 00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:35,578 I know a Goodman at The Observer. I'm surprised you lasted eight months. 307 00:16:35,662 --> 00:16:38,123 He's one of those rarified dicks 308 00:16:38,206 --> 00:16:41,042 that you hope never has to save you from drowning. 309 00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:45,880 Well, let's just say that I kept a spare life vest in my desk drawer. 310 00:16:47,757 --> 00:16:50,468 Say, that Purdue student earlier, 311 00:16:50,552 --> 00:16:53,346 were they part of the group that was arrested for protesting ROTC? 312 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:54,264 No comment. 313 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:58,184 How'd you land an interview with the head of a Maoist Communist brigade in Chicago? 314 00:16:58,268 --> 00:17:00,395 Well, have you ever met a Maoist Communist? 315 00:17:01,146 --> 00:17:02,397 I mean, the trouble is not getting the interview, 316 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,690 it's getting those fellows to shut up. 317 00:17:04,566 --> 00:17:05,650 I get people to talk 318 00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:07,986 because I work the phones like no one else, 319 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:10,530 and I won't settle until I get the story right. 320 00:17:10,613 --> 00:17:11,990 I think you're overqualified. 321 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:14,534 I mean, why would you wanna go from writing 10,000-word exposés 322 00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:15,952 to writing 500 words of copy? 323 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:20,123 I believe to be a great reporter 324 00:17:20,205 --> 00:17:23,960 you have to question authority, and never take no for an answer. 325 00:17:24,042 --> 00:17:25,002 And for someone... 326 00:17:27,338 --> 00:17:28,298 like myself... 327 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:30,133 All I care about is getting the story right... 328 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,094 and killing to get it before anyone else. 329 00:17:33,178 --> 00:17:35,263 At the Black student rally last night, 330 00:17:35,346 --> 00:17:38,099 a Purdue faculty member was passing around a petition to boycott 331 00:17:38,183 --> 00:17:40,226 if any of the sit-in students were expelled. 332 00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:42,312 Seventy-five tenured faculty signed it. 333 00:17:43,813 --> 00:17:45,732 I have a line on three of those professors. 334 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,694 Well, when can you start? 335 00:17:57,744 --> 00:17:59,537 It's gotta be absolute. 336 00:17:59,621 --> 00:18:01,122 Well, we're working on it, Tony. 337 00:18:01,206 --> 00:18:03,416 You hear that, Dick? They're giving me immunity. 338 00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:07,462 Turn that frown upside-down, pal. 339 00:18:08,046 --> 00:18:10,882 You put a clause in there about no psychiatrist? 340 00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:12,801 Affirmative. No shrinks. 341 00:18:12,884 --> 00:18:14,219 Hey, how's Dick? 342 00:18:14,844 --> 00:18:17,972 "How's Dick?" Same as the last 90 times everyone asked. 343 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,934 First night in his life he didn't sleep on satin sheets. 344 00:18:21,017 --> 00:18:23,603 -Tell him how you're doing, Dick. -I'm doing fine. 345 00:18:25,063 --> 00:18:27,482 Little Lord Fauntleroy was being bitchy. 346 00:18:27,565 --> 00:18:30,527 I got food, water. Fine. 347 00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:32,904 Basically a catered affair out here. 348 00:18:32,987 --> 00:18:34,823 -Well, that's good to hear. -Yeah. 349 00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:37,033 And how are you? Are you getting rest? Are you... 350 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:41,162 Oh, fuck, no. It don't matter. Tell him to hurry up. 351 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:44,541 All right. I'm doing the best I can. 352 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:46,501 Yeah. I know. 353 00:18:46,584 --> 00:18:49,170 All right. Stay in touch. 354 00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:53,883 Let me ask you a question. 355 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:57,637 What's the worst part about eating at a steakhouse? 356 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:00,014 I don't know. 357 00:19:01,724 --> 00:19:02,809 Well, guess. 358 00:19:02,892 --> 00:19:05,687 I mean, if... if you're really asking a-- 359 00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:07,105 It's the judgment. 360 00:19:08,231 --> 00:19:10,066 You can't get a nice steak without some waiter 361 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,485 looking down his nose at you for not wearing a goddamn tie. 362 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:14,195 Well... 363 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:20,410 None of that at Magdalena's. 364 00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:25,123 Do some math for me. 365 00:19:26,416 --> 00:19:28,126 I want you to figure out how much I would've made 366 00:19:28,209 --> 00:19:31,045 if you and M.L. hadn't screwed me over. 367 00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:35,133 Figure, Magdalena's does three years of business, right? 368 00:19:35,216 --> 00:19:41,389 You got a filet mignon's nine bucks, appetizers, four, bottle of wines, 12. 369 00:19:41,472 --> 00:19:43,766 It comes to about 45 bucks a table, 370 00:19:44,601 --> 00:19:48,771 20 tables, three turnovers a night, six days a week. 371 00:19:49,314 --> 00:19:50,273 That'll get you gross. 372 00:19:50,982 --> 00:19:52,775 And then you gotta subtract materials, 373 00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:57,238 and payroll for a dozen employees, state and federal tax. 374 00:19:57,322 --> 00:19:58,364 That'll get you net. 375 00:19:58,448 --> 00:20:00,658 So does a madman ask for net? 376 00:20:03,244 --> 00:20:04,871 Or does he ask for gross? 377 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:07,040 -He asks for gross. -That's right. 378 00:20:07,999 --> 00:20:11,544 You figure out a number, and we'll see how much to ask your family for. 379 00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:14,047 What do you think your life's worth? 380 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:16,633 You can't put a number on a life. 381 00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:19,761 Well, you're an actuary, Dick. 382 00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:21,971 Putting a number on a human life is your job. 383 00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:27,769 Well, we have confirmed that Mr. Hall, made it through the night. 384 00:20:27,852 --> 00:20:30,521 There's no indication that he is being mistreated. 385 00:20:31,272 --> 00:20:36,277 "Mistreated." I basically rolled out the red carpet for him. 386 00:20:36,361 --> 00:20:37,528 ...for Mr. Hall's release. 387 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:39,197 But we will update you... 388 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,283 What about Mr. Kiritsis? Nobody's asking about him. 389 00:20:42,367 --> 00:20:45,078 Oh, yeah, he had to pull out a shotgun for anyone to notice. 390 00:20:45,161 --> 00:20:46,329 -Hey, Tony. -What? 391 00:20:46,996 --> 00:20:49,999 -The people do care about you, Tony. -Oh, yeah? 392 00:20:50,083 --> 00:20:51,542 Any other questions? 393 00:20:54,379 --> 00:20:55,964 Take a high number, Dick. 394 00:20:57,507 --> 00:20:59,217 Your life's gotta be worth a lot. 395 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:03,554 Oh, shit. 396 00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:08,851 Don't scratch that menu. 397 00:21:13,398 --> 00:21:14,983 They're asking for you in the conference room. 398 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,610 Midday meeting's not till noon. 399 00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:23,157 Sorry. 400 00:21:24,158 --> 00:21:25,493 Afternoon, Fred. 401 00:21:27,036 --> 00:21:28,037 What's going on? 402 00:21:33,084 --> 00:21:34,210 Look. 403 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:37,380 If the past 24 hours have shown us anything, 404 00:21:38,214 --> 00:21:39,757 it's that you are one of a kind. 405 00:21:39,841 --> 00:21:42,969 Your work is good. Your numbers are good. 406 00:21:43,845 --> 00:21:45,596 You are the face of IBC. 407 00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:51,936 Yeah, but everyone seems to think... 408 00:21:54,022 --> 00:21:55,356 that... 409 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,652 Well, Ben, you had a really great way of phrasing it. 410 00:22:04,699 --> 00:22:07,577 You're not a neutral observer anymore, Fred. 411 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:11,247 I mean, you've been put in an impossible situation, 412 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,582 and we can all respect that. 413 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:15,126 But our first responsibility here has to be to the news. 414 00:22:15,209 --> 00:22:17,920 And we think that it would be in the best interest of the station... 415 00:22:18,588 --> 00:22:21,883 for you to step down as News Director until this is all over. 416 00:22:21,966 --> 00:22:25,344 It's just a temporary measure to avoid any whiff of impropriety. 417 00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:28,639 You're still the anchor. You're still the voice of IBC. 418 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:32,268 You just won't be included in the news meeting. 419 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:34,062 Who's gonna to replace me? 420 00:22:34,145 --> 00:22:35,938 I will be acting News Director. 421 00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:46,032 What if I say no? What if I say let me keep doing my job? 422 00:22:46,115 --> 00:22:49,535 Or you can explain to everybody why you fired Fred Heckman 423 00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:52,914 in the middle of the biggest news story in the history of Indianapolis? 424 00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:54,582 Then we walk. 425 00:22:57,210 --> 00:23:00,171 I'm just trying to avert disaster here, Fred. 426 00:23:00,254 --> 00:23:03,049 -Any whiff of impropriety. -You all agree to this? 427 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:05,551 Well, we discussed it, and we thought that maybe-- 428 00:23:05,635 --> 00:23:07,345 I would like to hear it from my staff. 429 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,434 Sorry, Fred. 430 00:23:14,477 --> 00:23:16,229 It's what's best for the station. 431 00:23:17,355 --> 00:23:18,189 Ginny. 432 00:23:19,816 --> 00:23:22,276 I think that the old you 433 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,738 would say that if a man with a gun wants to tell us what to report, 434 00:23:26,364 --> 00:23:27,615 he should come here himself. 435 00:23:29,784 --> 00:23:31,410 You know what I always say? 436 00:23:32,161 --> 00:23:33,287 When you go to the track, 437 00:23:33,371 --> 00:23:35,915 you put the money you're gonna bet with in your right pocket, 438 00:23:35,998 --> 00:23:39,377 nothing in your left pocket and if at the end of the races, 439 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:42,839 both pockets are empty, you break even. 440 00:23:44,715 --> 00:23:45,550 Yeah. 441 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:48,970 Mr. Fairbanks, who is your biggest fan, also agrees. 442 00:23:49,595 --> 00:23:51,973 There's just so much scrutiny now that any whiff of impropriety-- 443 00:23:52,056 --> 00:23:54,392 Will you stop saying "whiff of impropriety," please? 444 00:23:54,475 --> 00:23:56,727 You understand why it has to be like this. 445 00:23:56,811 --> 00:24:00,273 I would have appreciated the opportunity to make this decision myself. 446 00:24:00,356 --> 00:24:01,399 I'm sorry, Fred. 447 00:24:05,862 --> 00:24:07,321 It's time for us to have the midday meeting. 448 00:24:39,645 --> 00:24:40,563 Thanks, Ricky. 449 00:24:43,608 --> 00:24:44,859 Mr. Kiritsis. 450 00:24:47,028 --> 00:24:49,405 Special agent Cormac McNally. We spoke on the phone. 451 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:50,323 How's he doing? 452 00:24:51,741 --> 00:24:53,034 He's about to be much better. 453 00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:57,371 I got a friend of a friend. He's clearing $800,000 a year. 454 00:24:57,455 --> 00:24:59,498 And he's gonna open up the bar. 455 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:02,376 He figures it'll be about one point-- 456 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:08,007 That's lamb moussaka. 457 00:25:15,806 --> 00:25:16,891 Do you smell that? 458 00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:20,102 I swear I'd died and gone to heaven, but you're still here. 459 00:25:23,773 --> 00:25:26,025 Tony? It's me. 460 00:25:34,116 --> 00:25:35,243 Jimmie? 461 00:25:35,326 --> 00:25:36,869 How you doing, aderfulis? 462 00:25:40,498 --> 00:25:43,709 I'm good. Jimmie. Sorry about all this. 463 00:25:45,086 --> 00:25:46,712 I hate that you had to come up here. 464 00:25:46,796 --> 00:25:48,297 No, I'm-- 465 00:25:48,381 --> 00:25:50,508 Yeah, I'm sorry it took me so long. 466 00:25:53,970 --> 00:25:55,680 No, you got the campaign, and... 467 00:25:57,682 --> 00:25:59,225 Shit. The campaign. 468 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:09,694 How are the buttons moving? 469 00:26:10,528 --> 00:26:12,280 Yeah, don't worry about me, Tone. 470 00:26:14,907 --> 00:26:15,783 Hey. 471 00:26:17,201 --> 00:26:20,621 How are you set for food? Thought a taste of home might do you good. 472 00:26:36,554 --> 00:26:39,390 -You put sugar in the keema? -Yeah. 473 00:26:40,891 --> 00:26:41,851 Just like mom. 474 00:26:49,817 --> 00:26:51,277 They didn't put you up to this? 475 00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:53,988 This isn't some kind of trap? 476 00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:58,451 No, Tone. Of course not. 477 00:27:13,257 --> 00:27:14,133 All right. 478 00:27:15,009 --> 00:27:15,843 Yeah? 479 00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:18,512 Hang on. 480 00:27:18,596 --> 00:27:20,806 Okay. I'm putting the food down. 481 00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:36,989 -You okay? -Yeah, Jimmie. Wait, hang on. 482 00:27:37,073 --> 00:27:37,990 Yeah? 483 00:27:45,748 --> 00:27:47,750 My hands are... are sweaty, Jimmie. 484 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:49,752 Okay. 485 00:28:25,454 --> 00:28:27,915 You go and share that with the boys downstairs, Jimmie. 486 00:28:28,624 --> 00:28:31,127 Tell them I can't come out until I get what I'm owed. 487 00:28:32,586 --> 00:28:33,963 -Oh, yeah? -Yeah. 488 00:28:35,881 --> 00:28:36,841 Okay, Tone. 489 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:55,359 Hey, you're home early. Is everything okay? 490 00:28:55,443 --> 00:28:56,569 Yeah. Status quo. 491 00:28:56,652 --> 00:28:59,155 -Have you seen my gloves? -They should be in the trunk. 492 00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:01,615 Well, they should be in my pockets, but they're not. And I'm-- 493 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:05,995 Sorry. I already looked in there. 494 00:29:07,204 --> 00:29:09,248 -I heard you come in last night. -Yeah. I couldn't sleep. 495 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:10,916 Yeah, I wasn't sleeping either. 496 00:29:12,501 --> 00:29:14,128 I need you to talk to Ibby again. 497 00:29:15,963 --> 00:29:19,008 I'm not her friend, Fred. I'm just a woman who's... 498 00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:23,512 She is a very private person, 499 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:25,431 and I don't know that I'm comfortable intruding on her again. 500 00:29:25,514 --> 00:29:27,308 We're right at the finish line here, Barb. 501 00:29:27,391 --> 00:29:29,643 -And McNally says-- -McNally says what? 502 00:29:35,191 --> 00:29:36,442 If you need me to do it, I'll do it. 503 00:29:44,825 --> 00:29:45,743 Thank you. 504 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:08,140 I always heard you weren't supposed to prune in the winter. 505 00:30:12,061 --> 00:30:15,231 It's easier to reshape when the stems are bare. 506 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:18,400 That way, she won't waste energy growing new leaves. 507 00:30:19,527 --> 00:30:20,569 How interesting. 508 00:30:22,029 --> 00:30:23,614 The new fence is awfully tall. 509 00:30:25,074 --> 00:30:27,409 You said it would have a trellis for the top two feet. 510 00:30:28,202 --> 00:30:30,704 Barb, good fences make good neighbors. 511 00:30:31,956 --> 00:30:34,750 I'm worried about 6 feet of shade starving my roses. 512 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:36,377 Well, you'll still get plenty of good sun. 513 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:38,546 Yes, but just not eight hours of direct light, 514 00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:40,464 which the roses need to survive. 515 00:30:41,257 --> 00:30:45,594 Well, then I will pray for a miracle that there will be enough light to go around. 516 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:55,271 Always a pleasure. 517 00:31:07,491 --> 00:31:09,410 Yes? What? Hello. 518 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,913 Hi, Ibby. It's Barb. Barbara Heckman. 519 00:31:16,083 --> 00:31:17,459 I wanted to see how you're doing. 520 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:19,837 Well, Jenny has a Cheerio stuck in her ear. 521 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,464 There's a photographer outside who, for whatever reason, 522 00:31:22,548 --> 00:31:24,592 keeps telling me to flash him a smile. 523 00:31:24,675 --> 00:31:26,218 And an hour ago, someone called the house 524 00:31:26,302 --> 00:31:28,512 and told me they hoped that Dick gets his head blown off. 525 00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:29,513 How are you? 526 00:31:30,723 --> 00:31:32,391 That's awful, Ibby. I'm sorry. 527 00:31:33,642 --> 00:31:35,436 You don't have to keep telling me you're sorry. 528 00:31:39,315 --> 00:31:43,027 Look, I was wondering if you were up for another call with Dick. 529 00:31:44,528 --> 00:31:45,487 If that's all right. 530 00:31:47,031 --> 00:31:48,907 So you're in charge of handling me, is that it? 531 00:31:50,534 --> 00:31:51,660 No, I just... 532 00:31:52,328 --> 00:31:54,038 -You know, if you needed-- -Barb, I... 533 00:31:54,872 --> 00:31:57,750 I don't need support, or casseroles, or prying eyes. 534 00:31:57,833 --> 00:31:59,251 I need this to be done. 535 00:31:59,335 --> 00:32:02,129 You can tell that to Fred and the cops, and whoever else keeps trotting you out. 536 00:32:02,212 --> 00:32:03,422 I really have to go. 537 00:32:04,298 --> 00:32:05,341 Thanks for the call. 538 00:32:16,477 --> 00:32:17,311 Jesus. 539 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,354 Hey, right there. 540 00:33:00,437 --> 00:33:02,272 Jimmie for sheriff. Take a pen here. 541 00:33:02,356 --> 00:33:05,067 Jimmie for sheriff. Please tell anyone you know in Plainview. 542 00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:06,485 Oh, and get some moussaka. 543 00:33:06,568 --> 00:33:08,320 This is gonna go bad, and we don't want that. 544 00:33:08,404 --> 00:33:09,363 Excuse me, sir. 545 00:33:09,446 --> 00:33:11,573 -Are you Jimmie Kiritsis? -I am. 546 00:33:12,157 --> 00:33:13,450 Do you have any comment on reports 547 00:33:13,534 --> 00:33:15,786 that your brother once held his own sister hostage? 548 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:17,162 What's that? 549 00:33:17,871 --> 00:33:20,708 There's a report tomorrow morning running in the IndyStar. 550 00:33:20,791 --> 00:33:22,334 Do you have any comment about when your brother 551 00:33:22,418 --> 00:33:24,461 held your sister Effie hostage for money? 552 00:33:26,547 --> 00:33:29,925 That's a family matter. It has nothing to do with any of this. 553 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,760 You all wanna make my brother out to be evil. 554 00:33:31,844 --> 00:33:34,471 But Tony is a good man who is pushed too far. 555 00:33:34,555 --> 00:33:37,850 And the stories saying otherwise, they're complete fabrication. 556 00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:40,144 That's right, Jimmie! That's right! You tell them! 557 00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:42,020 ...situation that, you know, you don't know anything about. 558 00:33:42,104 --> 00:33:43,105 Oh, fuck. 559 00:33:45,441 --> 00:33:48,360 You're taking something that's just not true, flat out lies, 560 00:33:48,444 --> 00:33:49,528 and I won't have it. 561 00:33:57,536 --> 00:33:59,621 -Hello? -Tony, it's me. 562 00:33:59,705 --> 00:34:02,541 Jimmie, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. 563 00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:09,672 I know, you wanna be sheriff, and that this is gonna hurt your chances. 564 00:34:09,757 --> 00:34:11,216 Oh, it's okay, Tony. 565 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:13,594 [speaking foreign language] 566 00:34:13,677 --> 00:34:16,513 [speaking foreign language] 567 00:34:17,306 --> 00:34:19,850 [speaking foreign language] 568 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,478 [speaking foreign language] 569 00:34:23,687 --> 00:34:26,648 [speaking foreign language] 570 00:34:27,775 --> 00:34:31,652 [speaking foreign language] 571 00:34:31,737 --> 00:34:33,655 [speaking foreign language] 572 00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:37,951 Okay, listen to me. No clouds, okay? No clouds. 573 00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:39,828 [speaking foreign language] 574 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:41,455 Tony? Tony, listen to me. 575 00:34:41,538 --> 00:34:44,291 [speaking foreign language] 576 00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:47,085 But Tony is a good man who is pushed too far. 577 00:34:47,168 --> 00:34:48,670 Listen. Tony... 578 00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:50,547 Do have any comment about when your brother held 579 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:51,965 your sister Effie hostage? 580 00:34:54,051 --> 00:34:56,428 Tony. Okay, listen to me. 581 00:34:56,512 --> 00:34:59,723 It's gonna be okay. No clouds, okay? 582 00:34:59,807 --> 00:35:01,266 Tony. Tony? 583 00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:04,478 -[speaking foreign language] -Tony? 584 00:35:04,561 --> 00:35:06,688 -No clouds. -Jimmie, they're playing dirty. 585 00:35:06,772 --> 00:35:09,149 -Tony, listen to me. -No, no, no. 586 00:35:09,233 --> 00:35:11,735 -It's gonna be okay. -No, it's not, Jimmie. 587 00:35:12,361 --> 00:35:15,197 They're playing dirty. They're playing dirty. 588 00:35:15,739 --> 00:35:18,158 -It's gonna be okay. -No, it's not. 589 00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:20,869 Listen, you tell Fred Heckman I have some final thoughts. 590 00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:27,209 [speaking foreign language] 591 00:35:32,756 --> 00:35:34,883 For the five o'clock hour. I'm Ben Hairston. 592 00:35:35,551 --> 00:35:39,471 Our top story remains the crisis unfolding in Crestwood Apartments, 593 00:35:39,555 --> 00:35:41,849 a tense situation with a flurry of activity 594 00:35:41,932 --> 00:35:43,934 without developments that are concrete. 595 00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:45,519 This is a part of the problem... 596 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,063 Hey, grab more of that shit. 597 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:49,356 Hey! 598 00:35:49,439 --> 00:35:50,399 What are you doing? 599 00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:52,818 That's the most trusted man on the radio. 600 00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:57,531 What do you think you're doing, huh? What's wrong with you? 601 00:35:57,614 --> 00:36:00,534 You're stealing from people during a hostage crisis? Come on. 602 00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:03,620 People's lives are at stake here. Do you not understand that? 603 00:36:03,704 --> 00:36:05,163 Or are you too goddamn stupid? 604 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:08,458 You're Ritchie's dad, right? 605 00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:13,839 -How do you know him? -I don't really, I just... I know Amy. 606 00:36:15,257 --> 00:36:17,759 Jesus. Give me this. Get out of here. Go home. 607 00:36:23,765 --> 00:36:24,975 You're needed downstairs. 608 00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:28,770 Yeah. 609 00:36:29,771 --> 00:36:34,318 44-year old Anthony Kiritsis shackled a sawed-off shotgun 610 00:36:34,401 --> 00:36:39,114 with a tape and wire to the back of Meridian President Richard Hall's head, 611 00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:40,991 marched him through the streets of Downtown 612 00:36:41,074 --> 00:36:44,036 past police officers and onlookers, and then-- 613 00:36:53,587 --> 00:36:55,589 Dicky-boy missed his chance. 614 00:36:55,672 --> 00:36:57,090 A swing and a miss! 615 00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:04,723 Fred, this is Jimmie Kiritsis. 616 00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:06,850 -Oh, hi. Nice to meet you. -Hey. 617 00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:10,729 Oh, Tony just loves you, Mr. Heckman. And thanks for what you've been doing. 618 00:37:10,812 --> 00:37:13,148 -Tell Fred what you told me. -Right. 619 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:15,442 Well, you see, Tony's... 620 00:37:17,277 --> 00:37:18,236 He's getting cloudy. 621 00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:20,155 I'm sorry, cloudy? 622 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:24,576 Since he was a kid, he gets these moods where it's like clouds gathering, 623 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:26,078 you know, and he withdraws. 624 00:37:27,287 --> 00:37:29,331 Used to be he wouldn't leave his room for weeks. 625 00:37:29,873 --> 00:37:35,504 He says he wants to go on the air and share some final thoughts. 626 00:37:36,296 --> 00:37:38,590 Despondency is death, Fred. 627 00:37:39,508 --> 00:37:40,634 You've got to keep him up. 628 00:37:42,302 --> 00:37:43,762 Yeah. Sure, sure. 629 00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:48,767 Whatever happens, keep him happy. 630 00:37:48,850 --> 00:37:50,852 -Yeah, right. Yeah. -You focus on the good things. 631 00:37:51,561 --> 00:37:53,522 Ask him about Jimmie and the food. 632 00:37:54,398 --> 00:37:55,816 Ask him about the steakhouse. 633 00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:56,733 Okay, okay. 634 00:37:56,817 --> 00:37:58,944 And don't lean too hard on the table. It's pretty flimsy. 635 00:37:59,569 --> 00:38:00,862 Okay. Jesus. 636 00:38:00,946 --> 00:38:02,322 Okay. He's ready. 637 00:38:03,532 --> 00:38:06,410 ...will impact Mr. Kiritsis's demand for immunity, 638 00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:10,664 but as the crisis ticks into its 33rd hour, just how... 639 00:38:12,541 --> 00:38:13,917 remains to be seen. 640 00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:18,714 We're going to go now to Fred Heckman, who's standing by. Fred? 641 00:38:19,256 --> 00:38:22,300 Thank you, Ben. This is Fred Heckman. I've just... 642 00:38:23,385 --> 00:38:26,888 I've just heard from Tony Kiritsis who has a request, 643 00:38:27,556 --> 00:38:30,308 who wants to share some thoughts. 644 00:38:30,892 --> 00:38:32,394 Tony, are you... are you there? 645 00:38:34,438 --> 00:38:36,273 You know the saddest thing is... 646 00:38:38,483 --> 00:38:44,281 I honestly thought that if people knew what this man and his family did to me, 647 00:38:44,364 --> 00:38:48,744 if only they knew, they'd demand it be made right. 648 00:38:49,911 --> 00:38:50,996 But I was wrong. 649 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,290 Hold on a minute there, Tony. 650 00:38:53,373 --> 00:38:56,460 You and I were both listening when people were calling in 651 00:38:56,543 --> 00:38:58,545 and telling you how much they were behind you. 652 00:38:58,628 --> 00:38:59,838 So what? 653 00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,468 You know, a lot of people said a lot of nice things about me, 654 00:39:04,551 --> 00:39:05,719 but that saddens me 655 00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:09,598 'cause I'm gonna be a marked man for the rest of my days, 656 00:39:11,099 --> 00:39:14,686 whether I live another week or 100 years. 657 00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:16,730 I saw out front, I saw it on TV, 658 00:39:17,397 --> 00:39:21,151 they got a stand that says "I heart Dick" shirts. 659 00:39:24,279 --> 00:39:26,406 People just waiting to see me die. 660 00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:29,367 No, no, Tony. I'm gonna have to fact check you there. 661 00:39:29,451 --> 00:39:30,452 I am a journalist here. 662 00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:32,662 The reason you saw all those "I heart Dick" shirts 663 00:39:32,746 --> 00:39:37,167 is simply because the "Free Tony" shirts had all sold out by breakfast. 664 00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:42,923 Your lawyers are working as we speak on your immunity agreement, okay? 665 00:39:43,006 --> 00:39:46,093 You know what it's like to be on stage. I'm fucking naked up here. 666 00:39:47,928 --> 00:39:51,640 You know, everyone wants to see you dance. I've been dancing for my whole life. 667 00:39:52,265 --> 00:39:54,559 And I'm done. I'm done. 668 00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,230 Well, now, what about your brother Jimmie? 669 00:39:58,939 --> 00:40:00,107 Tony, what about your brother? 670 00:40:00,941 --> 00:40:02,818 What it did... what did it feel like to see him? 671 00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:05,737 Well, you know, I was the best man at his wedding. 672 00:40:06,238 --> 00:40:08,240 And what have I given him in thanks? Nothing. 673 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:11,868 -I've been a fucking liability. -Well, hold on a minute, Tony. 674 00:40:11,952 --> 00:40:16,456 Now, I've just spoken to Jimmie just now, and let me tell you, 675 00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:19,126 there is... there is not a man alive 676 00:40:19,209 --> 00:40:21,461 who is... who is more proud of his little brother 677 00:40:21,545 --> 00:40:23,171 than... than your brother Jimmie, okay? 678 00:40:23,255 --> 00:40:25,006 He was telling me how he can't wait 679 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:28,593 to take his kids to the... to the Magdalena Steakhouse. 680 00:40:28,677 --> 00:40:30,971 Fuck. That's a fucking pipe dream. 681 00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:35,433 There are so many people here, me, Jimmie, all your supporters, 682 00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:38,103 all of us who all want you to hold on to hope. 683 00:40:38,186 --> 00:40:39,896 Oh, shit. You know what? 684 00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:43,984 Hope is bullshit. Shit. 685 00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:49,489 I learned... I learned that lesson like I learned every other lesson in my life. 686 00:40:49,573 --> 00:40:51,199 I learned it the hard way. 687 00:40:51,283 --> 00:40:54,077 I was 20 years old when I watched my mother die 688 00:40:54,161 --> 00:40:58,748 and I stood above her casket and I made a blood oath on her grave 689 00:40:58,832 --> 00:41:02,460 that I would look after my family even though they cheated and lied to me. 690 00:41:03,503 --> 00:41:08,383 I spent the next 20 years praying and that got me nowhere. 691 00:41:11,052 --> 00:41:12,137 Fred, I don't wanna die. 692 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:15,182 Partly because I've never lived, 693 00:41:15,265 --> 00:41:18,059 but also just 'cause I know nothing comes afterwards. 694 00:41:18,143 --> 00:41:19,394 Just one long dark. 695 00:41:21,313 --> 00:41:24,065 Well, Tony, I... understand you. I... 696 00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:27,402 I know what you're going through here. 697 00:41:27,903 --> 00:41:30,864 You don't know what it feels like, Fred. No, you don't. 698 00:41:31,448 --> 00:41:32,949 You got it so good. 699 00:41:33,617 --> 00:41:36,119 You know, you do the news and everyone loves you 700 00:41:36,203 --> 00:41:38,872 and then you go home every night happy. 701 00:41:41,249 --> 00:41:43,001 You don't know anything about me, Tony. 702 00:41:43,084 --> 00:41:44,419 Exactly. 703 00:41:45,003 --> 00:41:49,049 You talk to me in the same calm voice that you do everyone else. 704 00:41:49,132 --> 00:41:51,092 Then once I'm gone, you're gonna be... 705 00:41:51,176 --> 00:41:53,220 You're gonna go on to your next story 706 00:41:53,845 --> 00:41:56,348 and then you just... you go home to your wife and kids. 707 00:41:56,431 --> 00:41:58,892 You'll never know what it's like to be without hope. 708 00:41:58,975 --> 00:42:00,393 To be without hope. 709 00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:05,774 I... I lost a daughter, Tony. 710 00:42:12,906 --> 00:42:14,783 I... I didn't know that, Fred. 711 00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:16,409 Yeah, well, I... 712 00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:21,581 I know that you... you don't abandon hope without hope abandoning you first, 713 00:42:21,665 --> 00:42:22,624 that's for sure. 714 00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:31,216 My... my wife... 715 00:42:34,886 --> 00:42:37,722 throughout her whole pregnancy, was knitting a blanket, 716 00:42:38,348 --> 00:42:40,016 forest green yarn with a... 717 00:42:41,101 --> 00:42:43,979 with a moss green stitch on it. Beautiful. 718 00:42:46,439 --> 00:42:47,983 Pretty much the only sound you heard in our house 719 00:42:48,066 --> 00:42:50,944 for nine months was the clacking of knitting needles. 720 00:42:51,027 --> 00:42:51,861 We had hope. 721 00:42:53,071 --> 00:42:54,781 We had hope coming out of our ears. 722 00:43:01,121 --> 00:43:05,959 Patricia was 11 weeks old and 2 days and we buried her in that blanket. 723 00:43:09,754 --> 00:43:14,926 So I thought, there's either no God or there is a God and He chose to do this. 724 00:43:16,344 --> 00:43:17,637 And I'd rather believe in no God. 725 00:43:17,721 --> 00:43:19,556 So I stopped going to church, I stopped praying, 726 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,933 I stopped doing pretty much everything. We both did. 727 00:43:23,018 --> 00:43:26,855 And if you would have told me there was someone I could have pulled a gun on 728 00:43:27,647 --> 00:43:30,900 and gotten my revenge, I promise you, boy, I would have taken it. 729 00:43:35,572 --> 00:43:36,614 But instead... 730 00:43:40,243 --> 00:43:43,288 instead, I talked to little Patricia. I talked to her. I... 731 00:43:47,459 --> 00:43:49,085 I talked to her all the time. Every day. 732 00:43:51,755 --> 00:43:54,257 Until soon, I realized, what I realized was... 733 00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:58,928 I was... I was praying to her. 734 00:43:59,429 --> 00:44:05,143 I knew she was out there somewhere and so then my prayers... they grew. 735 00:44:05,226 --> 00:44:06,144 They grew larger. 736 00:44:08,521 --> 00:44:12,150 Until after a while I realized that I was... I was praying to God. 737 00:44:12,233 --> 00:44:16,821 Tony, my little girl had led me right back to God. 738 00:44:22,118 --> 00:44:26,998 Now, I'm not trying to just tell you that my journey and your journey are the same, 739 00:44:27,082 --> 00:44:31,169 but I am telling you that I understand what it feels like to feel so cold 740 00:44:31,252 --> 00:44:32,879 that you'll never feel warm again. 741 00:44:34,714 --> 00:44:36,257 But you will, Tony. You will. 742 00:44:41,888 --> 00:44:44,641 I talk to my mother, Magdalena. 743 00:44:48,395 --> 00:44:50,730 She's an angel, just like your little girl. 744 00:44:51,731 --> 00:44:52,565 Yes, sir. 745 00:44:56,861 --> 00:44:58,238 They're both up there, Tony. 746 00:44:58,321 --> 00:44:59,906 They're both up there looking down on us. 747 00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:05,537 What do you think your mom... what do you think your mom wants? 748 00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:09,165 She'd want me to live. 749 00:45:10,333 --> 00:45:12,001 -Yeah. -I think so too. 750 00:45:14,838 --> 00:45:17,465 I think so too. So why don't you and I work together on this? 751 00:45:18,883 --> 00:45:21,553 Make sure we get through this thing safe and sound. How's that? 752 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:27,892 Yeah. Yeah. 753 00:45:28,518 --> 00:45:30,478 Let me call you back. Let me call you back, all right? 754 00:45:31,062 --> 00:45:32,355 All right, Tony. You'll call me. 755 00:45:33,273 --> 00:45:34,524 Yeah. Okay. 756 00:45:35,859 --> 00:45:37,819 Thank you, Fred. Okay. 757 00:45:48,997 --> 00:45:52,625 This is Fred Heckman, WIBC News, 1070. 758 00:45:52,709 --> 00:45:53,793 Back to you, Ben. 759 00:45:56,838 --> 00:45:57,714 That was... 760 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:05,889 That was Fred Heckman and Tony Kiritsis. 761 00:46:08,141 --> 00:46:09,476 We'll be back. 762 00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,186 1070 763 00:46:12,645 --> 00:46:15,732 WIBC 764 00:46:54,896 --> 00:46:55,730 I'm sorry. 765 00:47:01,444 --> 00:47:02,570 We don't talk about her. 766 00:47:06,407 --> 00:47:08,952 We have never talked about her, Fred. 767 00:47:19,212 --> 00:47:20,213 And now you have. 768 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,218 To an entire city. 769 00:48:43,296 --> 00:48:44,297 Your ride's here.