1 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:10,542 [Rachel] I was born to Warren Jeffs. 2 00:00:11,375 --> 00:00:13,625 The sexual abuse started when I was 8. 3 00:00:15,375 --> 00:00:18,083 Even with all the truths put out about Warren, 4 00:00:18,250 --> 00:00:19,917 he still has followers. 5 00:00:20,583 --> 00:00:22,458 [Nate] The thing the trial really didn't get at 6 00:00:22,583 --> 00:00:25,083 was what were other men doing in the group. 7 00:00:25,583 --> 00:00:28,167 A guy named Sam Bateman just popped up 8 00:00:28,375 --> 00:00:30,167 and declared himself the prophet. 9 00:00:30,333 --> 00:00:33,083 There's some really bad things happening 10 00:00:34,167 --> 00:00:35,500 and something has to be done. 11 00:00:35,708 --> 00:00:37,125 [Matt] And now all of sudden, next thing you know 12 00:00:37,292 --> 00:00:39,083 kids are missing and we have no idea 13 00:00:39,250 --> 00:00:40,375 what's going on with them. 14 00:00:40,542 --> 00:00:41,583 [phone ringing] 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,417 [Matt] What can I do for you? 16 00:00:54,375 --> 00:00:56,417 [Officer] Put your hands behind your back. 17 00:00:56,625 --> 00:01:00,042 I just can't fathom how a father could give his baby girls 18 00:01:00,208 --> 00:01:03,792 to a predator like that. I can't fathom it. 19 00:01:10,875 --> 00:01:12,167 [Matt] My name is Matt Browning. 20 00:01:12,333 --> 00:01:14,333 I'm a retired law enforcement out of Arizona. 21 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:17,000 I was on both the Joint Terrorist Task Force 22 00:01:17,542 --> 00:01:19,667 and the Fugitive Task Force, with the FBI. 23 00:01:20,250 --> 00:01:22,917 But most importantly, I'm a husband and a father. 24 00:01:23,042 --> 00:01:24,625 And I was born and raised a member 25 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:27,042 of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. 26 00:01:27,583 --> 00:01:30,625 A few years ago, my wife Tawni and I were contacted 27 00:01:30,833 --> 00:01:33,708 by women who wanted help leaving polygamous groups. 28 00:01:34,208 --> 00:01:36,917 Since then we've been contacted numerous times 29 00:01:37,208 --> 00:01:38,667 by people asking for help. 30 00:01:39,667 --> 00:01:41,000 Some of these groups have a history 31 00:01:41,125 --> 00:01:43,167 of incest and child abuse. 32 00:01:43,833 --> 00:01:46,583 And are thriving right here in the United States. 33 00:01:47,875 --> 00:01:51,417 People need to know about this. That's why we do what we do. 34 00:02:05,333 --> 00:02:06,458 A few years back, 35 00:02:06,583 --> 00:02:08,833 I had the opportunity to meet some girls 36 00:02:09,042 --> 00:02:10,250 that were part of polygamist groups. 37 00:02:10,375 --> 00:02:12,792 I was able to talk to them about the different things 38 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:15,292 going on within these organizations. 39 00:02:19,167 --> 00:02:22,083 Crimes such as the, the rapes, the pedophilia, 40 00:02:22,542 --> 00:02:25,583 the underage marriages, um, the incest. 41 00:02:28,833 --> 00:02:31,667 I helped some of these women get out of polygamy 42 00:02:32,083 --> 00:02:34,792 and since that time, in helping them, 43 00:02:34,917 --> 00:02:38,208 my name has gotten out and I've been able to help more 44 00:02:38,375 --> 00:02:39,792 and I've been getting more information 45 00:02:39,917 --> 00:02:41,667 on what's going on within polygamy. 46 00:02:48,458 --> 00:02:50,625 [Nate] The group that eventually became the FLDS 47 00:02:50,833 --> 00:02:52,958 settled in a place called Short Creek 48 00:02:53,125 --> 00:02:55,333 on the Utah Arizona line. 49 00:02:56,292 --> 00:02:58,958 One thing you see across the polygamist groups 50 00:02:59,083 --> 00:03:02,417 is they seek out isolation to some extent, 51 00:03:02,583 --> 00:03:04,792 in part because they distrust governments. 52 00:03:04,917 --> 00:03:07,000 And so they tend to kind of settle in places 53 00:03:07,125 --> 00:03:08,833 where they can have their own community. 54 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:12,000 You talk to former members of the FLDS 55 00:03:12,083 --> 00:03:14,167 and a lot of them will tell you 56 00:03:14,375 --> 00:03:18,708 that, once upon a time, it was a good society. 57 00:03:18,833 --> 00:03:21,333 They were all geared toward the same goal 58 00:03:21,458 --> 00:03:24,833 of creating a kingdom on earth for when Christ returned. 59 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,333 There wasn't a dictatorship, 60 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:30,542 the way there became under the Jeffs. 61 00:03:35,042 --> 00:03:37,208 Once Warren comes to power, 62 00:03:37,333 --> 00:03:39,250 Warren was, you know, specifically telling people 63 00:03:39,375 --> 00:03:41,000 which houses they could live in, 64 00:03:41,625 --> 00:03:43,542 what he expected out of businesses. 65 00:03:43,708 --> 00:03:46,167 You know, he was basically taking any woman 66 00:03:46,292 --> 00:03:48,708 he wanted, or girl, to marry. 67 00:03:49,167 --> 00:03:52,208 He's evicting men that he saw as disloyal 68 00:03:52,375 --> 00:03:54,250 or some kind of threat to his political power. 69 00:03:54,708 --> 00:03:56,917 And, there were, were new accusations 70 00:03:57,625 --> 00:04:01,583 of, uh, men, particularly Warren marrying underage girls. 71 00:04:11,208 --> 00:04:13,000 Then Warren went on the run. 72 00:04:13,125 --> 00:04:14,667 And so there was a big announcement 73 00:04:14,833 --> 00:04:18,167 that Warren was now a 10 most wanted fugitive 74 00:04:18,292 --> 00:04:19,833 on the FBI's list. 75 00:04:30,083 --> 00:04:33,708 I remember thinking the thing the trial really didn't get at 76 00:04:33,833 --> 00:04:35,708 was what were other men doing in the group. 77 00:04:35,875 --> 00:04:39,833 I mean, how many other underage brides were there, 78 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000 underage mothers were there within the FLDS. 79 00:04:43,667 --> 00:04:46,083 Even though Warren is locked up serving a life sentence, 80 00:04:46,625 --> 00:04:49,458 he is still the president on the incorporation papers 81 00:04:49,542 --> 00:04:51,042 for the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ 82 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:52,125 of Latter Day Saints. 83 00:04:52,250 --> 00:04:53,500 So he still has a following. 84 00:04:53,667 --> 00:04:55,500 He still has people who believe in him. 85 00:05:00,208 --> 00:05:01,583 [Matt] So, when Warren got locked up, 86 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:03,833 the whole church actually kind of was in limbo. 87 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,083 They still believed Warren was running the church 88 00:05:06,208 --> 00:05:07,667 from inside prison, 89 00:05:07,792 --> 00:05:11,125 but also different people were fighting for power 90 00:05:11,750 --> 00:05:15,333 and a guy named Sam Bateman just popped up 91 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:17,042 and declared himself the prophet. 92 00:05:18,792 --> 00:05:20,750 Within these extreme organizations, 93 00:05:20,875 --> 00:05:23,625 if you are so set on going to heaven 94 00:05:24,333 --> 00:05:26,833 and your prophet leaves or is in prison, 95 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,750 you need to find another prophet 96 00:05:28,875 --> 00:05:31,167 because they are the only ones that can get you to Heaven. 97 00:05:31,667 --> 00:05:34,500 So Sam Bateman easily inserted himself 98 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:37,375 in this whole power vacuum. 99 00:05:46,167 --> 00:05:47,917 So what we know about Sam Bateman 100 00:05:48,042 --> 00:05:49,917 is that he grew up in the FLDS. 101 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:55,000 He was nowhere even close to being in the leadership 102 00:05:55,125 --> 00:05:56,167 within the church 103 00:05:56,708 --> 00:05:59,000 and he just declared himself the prophet. 104 00:06:01,208 --> 00:06:05,583 Sam was pulled over, up around Flagstaff, Arizona up north 105 00:06:06,208 --> 00:06:09,500 and he was driving a truck with some teenage women 106 00:06:09,583 --> 00:06:11,125 that claim to be his wives, 107 00:06:11,292 --> 00:06:12,500 but he was pulling a trailer 108 00:06:12,625 --> 00:06:15,458 and in the trailer was some underage girls. 109 00:06:37,542 --> 00:06:39,167 [Police] Put your hands behind your back. 110 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:41,292 Put your hands behind your back. 111 00:06:41,417 --> 00:06:47,583 [music] 112 00:07:09,083 --> 00:07:11,667 Something Warren Jeffs and Sam Bateman have in common 113 00:07:12,167 --> 00:07:15,875 is they both faced charges related to child abuse. 114 00:07:18,708 --> 00:07:20,500 The reason why we are looking at people 115 00:07:20,667 --> 00:07:22,958 who are already locked up like Warren and Sam Bateman 116 00:07:23,667 --> 00:07:26,833 is because both Warren and Sam have people on the outside 117 00:07:27,458 --> 00:07:29,042 who do the things that they are told to do. 118 00:07:29,958 --> 00:07:33,458 Usually Tawni's phone goes crazy with people wanting help 119 00:07:33,542 --> 00:07:34,792 leaving the FLDS 120 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,250 but lately the phone calls we've been getting 121 00:07:37,542 --> 00:07:39,167 are from people who have already left 122 00:07:39,333 --> 00:07:42,167 the FLDS church but now they want help 123 00:07:42,375 --> 00:07:44,167 finding their kids that have gone missing. 124 00:07:45,042 --> 00:07:46,958 [phone ringing] 125 00:07:49,375 --> 00:07:50,833 What can I do for you? 126 00:07:55,833 --> 00:07:57,583 And how many children are we talking? 127 00:08:05,167 --> 00:08:08,333 Now, I have moms and dads who can't sleep at night 128 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:09,958 because they don't know where their kids are. 129 00:08:11,208 --> 00:08:14,500 I think that a lot of it has to do with these, you know, 130 00:08:14,625 --> 00:08:18,458 revelations that are coming from Warren Jeffs. 131 00:08:24,958 --> 00:08:27,458 These revelations are coming from Warren Jeffs 132 00:08:27,625 --> 00:08:31,417 who is in prison and there going to his son Helaman 133 00:08:31,583 --> 00:08:33,958 who then distributes them throughout the church. 134 00:08:36,667 --> 00:08:38,333 So one thing that Warren Jeffs is putting out there 135 00:08:38,458 --> 00:08:40,333 is that we need to gather up all these children 136 00:08:40,542 --> 00:08:41,708 from their apostate parent 137 00:08:42,167 --> 00:08:45,750 and re-indoctrinate them all within the FLDS. 138 00:08:54,542 --> 00:08:56,833 Now what I have to do is go talk to the people 139 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,750 that can point me in the right directions 140 00:08:59,750 --> 00:09:02,208 and the best person that I know of 141 00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:04,167 that I can talk to is Rachel Jeffs. 142 00:09:05,417 --> 00:09:07,792 Rachel Jeffs is Warren Jeffs' daughter. 143 00:09:08,375 --> 00:09:12,000 Rachel's story is amazing and she definitely is a survivor 144 00:09:14,417 --> 00:09:17,333 Rachel and Helaman grew up together. 145 00:09:17,917 --> 00:09:21,917 The difference is Rachel left the FLDS group 146 00:09:22,042 --> 00:09:23,250 while Helaman stayed. 147 00:09:23,792 --> 00:09:26,208 When she left Polygamy, she spoke up. 148 00:09:26,833 --> 00:09:29,500 She's one of those that spoke up and because of that, 149 00:09:29,708 --> 00:09:32,167 she became almost like an activist 150 00:09:32,333 --> 00:09:33,542 for the FLDS community. 151 00:09:33,708 --> 00:09:36,125 There's nobody that knows FLDS like Rachel. 152 00:09:36,583 --> 00:09:37,917 I want to know if Rachel's heard anything 153 00:09:38,125 --> 00:09:40,542 about what her brother and father are doing, 154 00:09:41,125 --> 00:09:43,625 and if it's got anything to do with these missing kids. 155 00:10:01,708 --> 00:10:03,875 We're headed to Rachel Jeffs' house 156 00:10:04,042 --> 00:10:08,083 in Northern Idaho, just south of the Canadian border. 157 00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:19,417 Rachel is the strong one that left FLDS 158 00:10:19,583 --> 00:10:21,000 because she's really speaking out 159 00:10:21,583 --> 00:10:22,875 about the things that have happened to her 160 00:10:23,042 --> 00:10:26,250 in her life and -- and the things that go on 161 00:10:26,542 --> 00:10:28,708 still within the FLDS communities. 162 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:33,833 She's written a book, Breaking Free, 163 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 and she's talking about her family. 164 00:10:37,333 --> 00:10:41,333 Her family is doing bad things, and she wants it to stop. 165 00:10:41,958 --> 00:10:44,083 And I think people are coming forward now 166 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,125 because they're tired of kids getting hurt. 167 00:10:47,208 --> 00:10:50,625 Rachel's brother, Helaman Helaman Jeffs, Warren's son 168 00:10:50,792 --> 00:10:53,708 has kind of taken up the reins and is, 169 00:10:54,708 --> 00:10:56,708 for lack of a better word, Warren's mouthpiece 170 00:10:56,875 --> 00:10:58,375 outside of the prison system. 171 00:10:59,208 --> 00:11:01,333 Warren Jeffs is in prison for the rest of his life. 172 00:11:01,542 --> 00:11:05,500 While Warren is still running it from inside his cell, 173 00:11:06,042 --> 00:11:09,125 Helaman is actually receiving revelations 174 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:11,125 from Warren and distributing them 175 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:14,500 to the faithful members of the FLDS community. 176 00:11:15,167 --> 00:11:19,042 But then you have Sam Bateman who wants to be the leader 177 00:11:19,167 --> 00:11:22,375 and has caused a split within the FLDS community. 178 00:11:22,542 --> 00:11:25,917 So now you have one organization that has split into two 179 00:11:26,042 --> 00:11:29,125 because of two battling prophets. 180 00:11:38,833 --> 00:11:40,958 So, I would think that there's nobody 181 00:11:41,083 --> 00:11:43,625 that knows Helaman Jeffs better than Rachel 182 00:11:44,125 --> 00:11:45,417 because Rachel is his sister. 183 00:11:45,542 --> 00:11:51,667 [music] 184 00:12:00,917 --> 00:12:02,542 What I'm looking for with Rachael and Brandon 185 00:12:02,708 --> 00:12:05,375 is picking their brains on what they've heard 186 00:12:05,542 --> 00:12:06,875 and what they know. 187 00:12:07,042 --> 00:12:10,625 So, hopefully, we can come up with an idea 188 00:12:10,750 --> 00:12:12,708 of where these kids are being taken. 189 00:12:20,042 --> 00:12:22,042 -Hey, how's it going? -[Brandon] What's up, man? 190 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:23,500 -[Matt] How are you? -[Brandon] Not bad, 191 00:12:23,583 --> 00:12:24,542 good to see you. 192 00:12:25,125 --> 00:12:27,125 [Matt] You gotta give me a hug. Sorry. 193 00:12:29,542 --> 00:12:30,667 How have you guys been? 194 00:12:31,375 --> 00:12:32,667 - [Rachel] Good. -[Matt] Good? 195 00:12:33,042 --> 00:12:34,542 Getting on the backside of winter. 196 00:12:35,125 --> 00:12:37,875 Get on the backside? You heard about Sam, right? 197 00:12:38,042 --> 00:12:39,125 -Sam Bateman? - Yeah. 198 00:12:39,208 --> 00:12:42,167 And he's sitting in jail down in Phoenix, 199 00:12:42,292 --> 00:12:44,458 but seems like he's back to the same old thing. 200 00:12:45,042 --> 00:12:46,667 You have some people who are hurting kids 201 00:12:46,833 --> 00:12:48,500 and marrying off young kids. 202 00:12:48,625 --> 00:12:51,625 So, I was wondering about what Helaman was doing. 203 00:12:51,792 --> 00:12:53,917 My theory behind why Helaman is where he's at, 204 00:12:54,375 --> 00:12:57,542 is over time Warren's own group was starting to fragment 205 00:12:57,708 --> 00:12:58,583 pretty bad. 206 00:12:59,083 --> 00:13:01,125 Different little groups are popping up 207 00:13:01,292 --> 00:13:03,500 and Sam Bateman being one of them. 208 00:13:03,917 --> 00:13:06,000 He claims well, Warren's dead now, I'm the leader. 209 00:13:11,167 --> 00:13:13,500 So, Warren in response to that 210 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,125 appointed his own subordinate, 211 00:13:16,208 --> 00:13:18,125 which was Helaman Jeffs, his son. 212 00:13:21,042 --> 00:13:22,750 He's like, "No, this is actually the guy 213 00:13:22,917 --> 00:13:24,208 that's doing what I want him to do" 214 00:13:24,375 --> 00:13:27,917 And he uses him as a puppet to rally his troops. 215 00:13:28,083 --> 00:13:29,625 [Rachel And I think even Helaman did that. 216 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:31,167 He's like, "Oh, we were losing everybody. 217 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:32,917 So, now we got to gather them back up." 218 00:13:33,083 --> 00:13:35,458 Okay. Now, that's extremely interesting. 219 00:13:44,667 --> 00:13:48,333 [Rachel] I was born to Warren Jeffs and Barbara Barlow. 220 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:49,833 They're my parents. 221 00:13:51,083 --> 00:13:52,458 We lived in polygamy. 222 00:13:52,917 --> 00:13:57,208 My dad had several wives. So, we had lots of siblings. 223 00:13:58,375 --> 00:14:02,167 We were taught that, you know, we had to look different 224 00:14:02,208 --> 00:14:04,375 than the world to prove that we are different. 225 00:14:05,458 --> 00:14:08,875 Dresses came up to our necks, ankle length. 226 00:14:09,042 --> 00:14:10,333 We had to keep our hair braided. 227 00:14:10,542 --> 00:14:13,708 Men, of course, kept their bodies covered too. 228 00:14:14,208 --> 00:14:15,917 It's like we're the priesthood people. 229 00:14:16,042 --> 00:14:18,667 We're a part of the church and the wicked people 230 00:14:18,875 --> 00:14:21,000 were considered Gentiles, what we call Gentiles. 231 00:14:21,542 --> 00:14:23,708 If you weren't in our church, you are a Gentile. 232 00:14:24,375 --> 00:14:26,542 We were going to heaven, they were going to hell. 233 00:14:27,875 --> 00:14:29,375 To me, this was normal. 234 00:14:39,667 --> 00:14:42,250 We believed it because, you know, who loves you more 235 00:14:42,417 --> 00:14:44,167 than your parents, you believe your parents. 236 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:46,875 So, you just don't know any different. 237 00:14:49,375 --> 00:14:51,292 [Matt] Has Warren always been hurting kids 238 00:14:52,083 --> 00:14:53,792 since he was in command or rule? 239 00:14:54,208 --> 00:14:56,417 I believe he has been hurting kids 240 00:14:56,625 --> 00:14:58,417 since he was a kid probably. 241 00:14:58,625 --> 00:15:00,000 -[Matt] Really? -Yeah. I mean, 242 00:15:00,208 --> 00:15:03,000 the more I find out about, you know, the more people, 243 00:15:03,125 --> 00:15:05,667 as his sisters and stuff that have talked to me 244 00:15:06,167 --> 00:15:08,583 and the more stories that come out. 245 00:15:09,875 --> 00:15:12,333 [Matt] He hurt you when you were a kid, when you were little. 246 00:15:12,458 --> 00:15:13,458 Yeah. 247 00:15:21,792 --> 00:15:24,000 The sexual abuse started when I was eight 248 00:15:24,375 --> 00:15:26,875 and, you know, I was very scared. 249 00:15:27,292 --> 00:15:30,833 I remember the very first time, it was very shocking. 250 00:15:31,292 --> 00:15:35,667 I just remember going to bed crying and thinking, 251 00:15:36,083 --> 00:15:39,292 what did I do bad that made him do that, you know. 252 00:15:40,417 --> 00:15:43,583 He kept me with him all the tie and if I ever asked, 253 00:15:44,917 --> 00:15:46,667 can my like, my same sister Becky, 254 00:15:46,750 --> 00:15:48,750 I'd say can, "Becky come with me?" or something. 255 00:15:48,875 --> 00:15:50,333 He'd be so angry at me 256 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:52,167 and so then the family would treat me bad 257 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:53,875 because he was treating me bad. 258 00:15:54,458 --> 00:15:56,125 And so then nobody would talk to me 259 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:58,417 and it was very lonely and painful. 260 00:15:59,208 --> 00:16:02,292 The sexual abuse happened till I was 16. 261 00:16:02,375 --> 00:16:05,500 So, I kind of learned to please him 262 00:16:05,625 --> 00:16:08,208 so that the rest of the family would treat me good. 263 00:16:09,917 --> 00:16:13,500 And that's how he makes you feel like you did something wrong 264 00:16:13,667 --> 00:16:15,083 so I'm going to do this to you. 265 00:16:15,208 --> 00:16:16,542 May I ask you a question and promise 266 00:16:16,708 --> 00:16:19,417 that you're not going to get mad at me. Okay, you promise? 267 00:16:19,542 --> 00:16:20,833 I don't ever get mad. 268 00:16:20,958 --> 00:16:22,000 [Matt] Okay. Why didn't you call the police? 269 00:16:22,167 --> 00:16:23,042 [Rachel] We were taught all our lives 270 00:16:23,208 --> 00:16:25,167 that the cops were going to hurt us 271 00:16:25,333 --> 00:16:26,833 or the cops are out to get us. 272 00:16:26,958 --> 00:16:29,333 So, I mean that was the last thing you do. 273 00:16:45,208 --> 00:16:48,875 When Warren separated me from my kids several times, 274 00:16:49,417 --> 00:16:51,458 he'd say, "Rachel, you just have to go away for a week." 275 00:16:51,583 --> 00:16:53,583 But then he wouldn't let me return for months. 276 00:16:53,792 --> 00:16:59,667 [music] 277 00:17:03,375 --> 00:17:06,667 One time while I was separated, when I got back, 278 00:17:06,750 --> 00:17:09,333 my baby didn't remember me and I was just so angry 279 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:11,958 at father and I even wrote to him and told him, 280 00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:13,792 I was just so upset at him. 281 00:17:16,292 --> 00:17:18,833 It's like you're on detention and you're in prison, 282 00:17:19,375 --> 00:17:21,625 You're in this house by yourself. 283 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:24,292 You're supposed to sew every day. 284 00:17:25,375 --> 00:17:29,000 Warren did this to all his wives and his girls and his sons. 285 00:17:29,125 --> 00:17:30,792 Even 12 year olds got put in houses 286 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,792 all by themselves with nothing but to sew. 287 00:17:36,708 --> 00:17:41,333 My sister, he had set her away, to live alone and she called me. 288 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:43,167 And she's like, "Rachel, you know what father 289 00:17:43,292 --> 00:17:44,792 did to you when you were little." 290 00:17:45,167 --> 00:17:46,500 I was like, "How did you know?" 291 00:17:46,583 --> 00:17:49,583 And she's like, "Because he did it to me too." 292 00:17:58,250 --> 00:17:59,667 [Matt] He hurt you when you were little? 293 00:17:59,792 --> 00:18:00,792 [Rachel] Yeah. 294 00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:03,000 And that went on for how many years? 295 00:18:03,167 --> 00:18:04,458 For 8 years. 296 00:18:05,375 --> 00:18:07,083 [Matt] So you were alone? 297 00:18:07,875 --> 00:18:09,333 Well, you know, I thought I was. 298 00:18:12,292 --> 00:18:14,500 When my sister told me about the sexual abuse, 299 00:18:14,625 --> 00:18:16,167 I was angry that he did it to her. 300 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:19,458 But more than anything, the very big truth 301 00:18:19,917 --> 00:18:21,292 smacks you in the face, almost 302 00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:24,000 that it wasn't because of something that I did 303 00:18:24,167 --> 00:18:26,375 that made him do this to me, it was him. 304 00:18:26,542 --> 00:18:28,750 You know, I was-- that was a huge moment. 305 00:18:30,083 --> 00:18:32,417 You know, we talked all night on the phone 306 00:18:32,542 --> 00:18:36,208 and we both decided that night, we are going to leave someday. 307 00:18:36,375 --> 00:18:38,458 We didn't decide that we're going to leave that day, 308 00:18:38,583 --> 00:18:40,500 but we knew we're going to leave the church. 309 00:18:40,625 --> 00:18:46,250 [music] 310 00:18:46,417 --> 00:18:48,958 He was in prison, but he required other men 311 00:18:49,083 --> 00:18:50,792 to marry underage girls too. 312 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,958 I remember him telling this one man 313 00:18:53,083 --> 00:18:55,333 that he had to marry a 14-year-old. 314 00:18:56,458 --> 00:18:59,583 You know, I just thought to myself, father can hurt me, 315 00:18:59,750 --> 00:19:02,042 but he -- I'm not going to let him hurt my kids. 316 00:19:02,167 --> 00:19:04,917 Then I just felt like, I'm not going to put up with this. 317 00:19:05,625 --> 00:19:08,000 In the FLDS, most of the people didn't know 318 00:19:08,125 --> 00:19:09,542 he had married underage girls. 319 00:19:09,708 --> 00:19:12,833 And I think for a lot of us -- a lot of people 320 00:19:12,958 --> 00:19:14,417 didn't even know that was illegal. 321 00:19:16,875 --> 00:19:19,708 Even with all the truths put out about Warren, 322 00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:21,292 he still has followers. 323 00:19:31,542 --> 00:19:33,417 There's still people listening to him 324 00:19:33,542 --> 00:19:35,542 and they still carry out his word 325 00:19:35,708 --> 00:19:38,000 and it's just crazy that it still happens. 326 00:19:38,125 --> 00:19:44,292 [music] 327 00:19:59,833 --> 00:20:02,375 These kids have never seen their father 328 00:20:02,542 --> 00:20:03,792 or talked to him since. 329 00:20:03,875 --> 00:20:06,333 I mean, that was very, also very difficult 330 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:08,208 because I grew to love him. 331 00:20:11,542 --> 00:20:14,125 To look back at the memories 332 00:20:14,583 --> 00:20:16,417 especially, like to look at pictures of like my mom, 333 00:20:16,542 --> 00:20:19,583 that's just so emotional, super emotional. 334 00:20:20,208 --> 00:20:26,000 I think I bury some of that just because it's super painful. 335 00:20:26,542 --> 00:20:30,708 It really wasn't until I left that I realized as a child, 336 00:20:30,875 --> 00:20:33,375 my father could have gone to prison for what he did to me 337 00:20:33,542 --> 00:20:35,500 and that was very empowering to me. 338 00:20:36,667 --> 00:20:38,750 I believe it's been a cult all along. 339 00:20:39,667 --> 00:20:44,000 I feel like this system was all about men 340 00:20:44,542 --> 00:20:46,667 wanting to have sex with multiple women 341 00:20:47,208 --> 00:20:49,167 and justifying it through religion. 342 00:20:49,333 --> 00:20:50,625 And they know that. 343 00:20:53,875 --> 00:20:55,375 [Matt] Are you happy now? 344 00:20:55,875 --> 00:20:56,958 You know, I am. 345 00:20:57,125 --> 00:20:58,625 -Are you happy now? -[Brandon] I am. 346 00:20:59,083 --> 00:21:00,375 [Matt] And why are you happy? 347 00:21:01,083 --> 00:21:02,000 Because we're free. 348 00:21:04,167 --> 00:21:05,208 How'd you guys meet? 349 00:21:05,792 --> 00:21:07,167 [Brandon] Actually, through my brother. 350 00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:09,083 He suggested I should talk to her 351 00:21:09,542 --> 00:21:11,708 and so I did and that's kind of what kicked it off. 352 00:21:14,792 --> 00:21:20,042 [Rachel Yeah, I think we both had tough experiences 353 00:21:20,708 --> 00:21:23,000 and I think we understood each other, you know. 354 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:31,917 [Brandon] My name is Brandon Blackmore. 355 00:21:32,458 --> 00:21:34,958 I was born and raised in the FLDS 356 00:21:35,167 --> 00:21:36,833 in Canada, British Columbia. 357 00:21:38,417 --> 00:21:41,042 I had 21 brothers and 16 sisters. 358 00:21:50,208 --> 00:21:53,042 We were busy building these log cabin kits 359 00:21:53,208 --> 00:21:54,750 for Warren Jeffs. 360 00:21:54,875 --> 00:21:58,583 I ran a log lathe so, I was very involved with building 361 00:21:58,708 --> 00:22:00,208 all the log cabin kits. 362 00:22:01,208 --> 00:22:06,583 On April 3rd, 2008, the YFZ Ranch in, in San Angelo, Texas 363 00:22:07,167 --> 00:22:10,500 was raided by law enforcement after they received 364 00:22:10,917 --> 00:22:13,083 an anonymous tip of a girl being raped. 365 00:22:18,375 --> 00:22:19,542 [Brandon] I knew nothing about it 366 00:22:19,708 --> 00:22:21,333 until the raid happened in 2008. 367 00:22:21,458 --> 00:22:22,542 Me and several of my brothers 368 00:22:22,708 --> 00:22:24,708 and a lot of the Canadian members 369 00:22:25,208 --> 00:22:28,375 were building the log cabins and sending them down there, 370 00:22:28,833 --> 00:22:31,000 but I had no idea where they're going. 371 00:22:31,542 --> 00:22:32,708 It was even whispered around, you could find out 372 00:22:32,875 --> 00:22:34,500 on the internet, but we weren't supposed 373 00:22:34,625 --> 00:22:36,083 to look on the internet. 374 00:22:37,083 --> 00:22:39,583 We just weren't privy to that. 375 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:45,625 [music] 376 00:22:47,542 --> 00:22:51,500 She disappeared in 2004. She was 13 at the time. 377 00:22:52,042 --> 00:22:54,875 What we were told is that she was on a mission 378 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:57,042 and so, it was just like, you don't ask, 379 00:22:57,208 --> 00:22:58,375 you don't need to know. 380 00:22:58,875 --> 00:23:00,500 The one thing that came out of that raid 381 00:23:00,667 --> 00:23:03,375 that was quite pivotal to me is a claim 382 00:23:03,542 --> 00:23:06,000 that underage marriages were happening. 383 00:23:12,833 --> 00:23:15,167 She reappeared in 2008, came back to Canada. 384 00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:18,667 And so the time went on, I wondered if she was married 385 00:23:18,792 --> 00:23:21,500 to Warren, and she told me that, yeah she got married 386 00:23:21,625 --> 00:23:23,875 the same day I got married when she was 13. 387 00:23:24,875 --> 00:23:29,667 And so that immediately, I now had proof positive in my mind 388 00:23:30,042 --> 00:23:31,500 that I've been lied to. 389 00:23:31,958 --> 00:23:35,208 That was a very, very big deal to me 390 00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:39,208 as my foundation that I thought was secure, wasn't. 391 00:23:39,667 --> 00:23:43,333 That's not why I worked my entire life for this. 392 00:23:43,708 --> 00:23:45,667 I don't support this. 393 00:23:55,833 --> 00:23:57,708 [Matt] Let's talk about the kids that are missing. 394 00:23:57,875 --> 00:23:59,333 How did you guys hear about it? 395 00:23:59,833 --> 00:24:03,000 I've had parents that are ex-FLDS 396 00:24:03,167 --> 00:24:06,500 that their kids are still there message me and say, 397 00:24:06,583 --> 00:24:08,042 you know, my daughter disappeared, 398 00:24:08,208 --> 00:24:09,667 my underage daughter disappeared, 399 00:24:10,083 --> 00:24:12,958 or brothers say my sister has disappeared. 400 00:24:13,542 --> 00:24:14,958 Rachel, what can we do? 401 00:24:15,125 --> 00:24:17,542 And their -- their concern was that they were going to get 402 00:24:17,708 --> 00:24:22,667 married underage or get sucked back into all that stuff 403 00:24:22,792 --> 00:24:26,125 with Warren Jeffs and all the stuff he's doing. 404 00:25:03,583 --> 00:25:05,667 What do you think is happening with the kids? 405 00:25:06,625 --> 00:25:07,958 I think they're just trying to seclude them 406 00:25:08,083 --> 00:25:09,458 for one thing, keeping them away from -- 407 00:25:09,625 --> 00:25:10,958 They keep them brainwashed. I mean-- 408 00:25:11,125 --> 00:25:13,417 Boys, I would -- I would imagine they're making them work. 409 00:25:13,875 --> 00:25:16,625 They'd be working on whatever job site. 410 00:25:17,875 --> 00:25:20,667 But the girls are typical, just-- 411 00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,208 Just raise them up and have them get married. 412 00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:25,458 I don't know. 413 00:25:25,542 --> 00:25:27,000 Yeah, we-- we don't know. 414 00:25:28,292 --> 00:25:31,875 Here you have Helaman who's sending out Warren's stuff. 415 00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:34,542 Kids are-- kids are missing. 416 00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:38,042 Have you heard any recent instances 417 00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:40,917 of FLDS going to any newer properties? 418 00:25:42,625 --> 00:25:44,667 In North Dakota from what I've heard. 419 00:25:44,792 --> 00:25:46,500 But do you know what part of North Dakota they're in? 420 00:25:47,375 --> 00:25:49,500 [Rachel] I just know they're up by the Canadian border. 421 00:25:49,625 --> 00:25:52,875 I've never been there so, I can't say exactly. 422 00:25:53,042 --> 00:25:56,208 I just-- I just was told it was by the border. 423 00:25:57,208 --> 00:25:59,333 [Matt] So some people within the FLDS 424 00:25:59,542 --> 00:26:00,917 are headed up to North Dakota. 425 00:26:01,917 --> 00:26:03,875 Do you think it's possible that some of the kids 426 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,167 that are reported missing could be going up there too? 427 00:26:06,875 --> 00:26:08,667 [Brandon] Maybe or just with different families. 428 00:26:08,833 --> 00:26:09,833 Or just in hiding. 429 00:26:10,125 --> 00:26:12,833 I mean, there's always been lots of hiding places. 430 00:26:13,875 --> 00:26:15,583 House of hiding is just somewhere they rent 431 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:17,500 and you don't have a car or anything 432 00:26:17,583 --> 00:26:18,833 you just are stuck in that spot. 433 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,375 It was usually like up in the mountains 434 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:22,667 or out in very rural areas. 435 00:26:26,042 --> 00:26:29,583 I am so upset that kids are missing. 436 00:26:30,542 --> 00:26:33,667 And honestly, they just-- they don't see 437 00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:35,875 anything wrong with what Warren does. 438 00:26:36,042 --> 00:26:37,542 So, you don't see this changing. 439 00:26:37,708 --> 00:26:39,583 You see the cycle continuing with Sam, 440 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:41,167 another one is going to come up. 441 00:26:41,333 --> 00:26:42,875 All right. The three of us are sitting at this table 442 00:26:43,042 --> 00:26:44,458 right now, what's step one? 443 00:26:44,583 --> 00:26:48,125 More publicity brought to it, the more it's going to bring it 444 00:26:48,292 --> 00:26:50,792 to light and the harder it makes it for them 445 00:26:50,917 --> 00:26:53,167 to just do what they want, unchecked. 446 00:26:53,833 --> 00:26:55,500 [Matt] Okay. You guys have more of a voice 447 00:26:55,667 --> 00:26:57,917 than anybody within these communities 448 00:26:58,042 --> 00:27:00,542 to talk to people and to have people contact you. 449 00:27:01,083 --> 00:27:03,500 Just let me know if you hear anything about Helaman 450 00:27:03,583 --> 00:27:05,500 and this house of hiding. Give me a call. 451 00:27:05,708 --> 00:27:06,583 Yeah. 452 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:08,292 [Matt] We'll stay in touch. 453 00:27:08,458 --> 00:27:09,958 [Brandon] If we hear anything, we'll definitely get in touch. 454 00:27:10,167 --> 00:27:12,458 [Matt] For sure. Let me know and I'll get out of your hair. 455 00:27:12,583 --> 00:27:13,875 All right, take care of your families. 456 00:27:14,042 --> 00:27:15,167 [Brandon] Take care, Matt. 457 00:27:15,292 --> 00:27:16,625 [Matt] All right, we'll see you later. 458 00:27:20,208 --> 00:27:23,917 [Matt] I'm extremely glad that we took the time out 459 00:27:24,042 --> 00:27:26,417 to talk to Rachel and Brandon because in talking to them, 460 00:27:26,542 --> 00:27:28,333 we were able to connect some dots up 461 00:27:28,917 --> 00:27:32,333 and talk about some -- some places in North Dakota 462 00:27:32,958 --> 00:27:37,333 that are being looked at as meeting places 463 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:38,833 or houses of hiding. 464 00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:43,042 These guys, the FLDS are so god at hiding people. 465 00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:47,292 And to me that's-- that is extremely frightening. 466 00:27:50,208 --> 00:27:51,833 I want to find out if there is a connection 467 00:27:51,958 --> 00:27:56,792 between FLDS and the kids that have been reported missing. 468 00:28:04,208 --> 00:28:06,417 [music] 469 00:28:06,542 --> 00:28:08,125 Because, Warren's still locked up. 470 00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:10,792 And, and Rachel and Brandon were able to tell me 471 00:28:10,958 --> 00:28:12,167 everything that's going on, 472 00:28:14,208 --> 00:28:16,250 it's not just Warren causing these problems, 473 00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:17,833 that with a missing prophet, 474 00:28:17,917 --> 00:28:19,625 other prophets are gonna come in. 475 00:28:20,083 --> 00:28:24,333 And I think it's very important that I reach out to people 476 00:28:24,458 --> 00:28:25,667 who know about Sam Bateman 477 00:28:26,167 --> 00:28:27,375 and see what they've experienced, 478 00:28:27,625 --> 00:28:30,417 what they've learned, so we can look at this whole picture. 479 00:28:36,167 --> 00:28:38,708 There's nobody who knows more about what's going on 480 00:28:38,875 --> 00:28:41,375 with Sam Bateman right now than Faith. 481 00:28:44,708 --> 00:28:49,375 We are in the Phoenix area and getting ready 482 00:28:49,542 --> 00:28:50,708 to meet with Faith. 483 00:28:51,542 --> 00:28:55,708 She left the group in 2011. 484 00:28:56,917 --> 00:29:00,500 After Faith left, her family actually fell into 485 00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:03,833 the Sam Bateman School of Religion. 486 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,333 I don't even know what to call it. 487 00:29:05,417 --> 00:29:08,417 They -- they bit the apple that Sam was giving them 488 00:29:08,875 --> 00:29:10,958 and they became part of his group. 489 00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:15,792 Even though Sam is not in the Jeffs' line, 490 00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:19,083 and was not part of leadership in Colorado City 491 00:29:19,208 --> 00:29:22,375 or within the FLDS, Sam inserted himself 492 00:29:22,542 --> 00:29:26,125 into a place where people were, were needing something 493 00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:29,375 to latch onto. And it became Sam Bateman. 494 00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:32,375 To get the meeting here with Faith 495 00:29:32,542 --> 00:29:38,417 has been kind of nerve-wracking to say the least. 496 00:29:38,542 --> 00:29:44,500 [music] 497 00:29:47,667 --> 00:29:48,792 Hey. 498 00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:51,417 What's up? 499 00:30:07,375 --> 00:30:10,250 Oh wow did she say why? What's the big switch? 500 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:27,875 Wow that's awesome! 501 00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:29,542 That's good, that's great news. 502 00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:31,958 Love you too. Bye-bye. 503 00:30:33,708 --> 00:30:36,708 I think she's got some huge courage 504 00:30:36,875 --> 00:30:38,375 in doing what she's doing. 505 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:41,375 This is a person who has survived 506 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:42,708 the FLDS community 507 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,500 and now she wants to help her family get out. 508 00:30:50,542 --> 00:30:53,125 All right. Here we are. 509 00:30:54,417 --> 00:30:56,500 Go and see what Faith has to say. 510 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,500 Faith. - [Faith] Hi. 511 00:31:06,625 --> 00:31:07,542 [Matt] What's going on? 512 00:31:11,708 --> 00:31:12,583 Are you nervous? 513 00:31:12,708 --> 00:31:13,750 Very much so. 514 00:31:13,875 --> 00:31:15,042 [Matt] Why? 515 00:31:15,833 --> 00:31:20,125 Because growing up we were trained 516 00:31:20,292 --> 00:31:23,208 not to trust law enforcement and so I'm scared 517 00:31:23,375 --> 00:31:27,458 that by talking out, my family will no longer trust me. 518 00:31:28,542 --> 00:31:29,917 Do you think they trust you now? 519 00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:33,625 No, but this is going to make it harder 520 00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:35,583 for them to get to that point. 521 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:36,667 [Matt] Then why talk out? 522 00:31:37,167 --> 00:31:38,792 Because there's some really bad things 523 00:31:38,958 --> 00:31:43,042 happening to them and something has to be done. 524 00:31:45,042 --> 00:31:48,292 My first name is Faith and my last name is Bistline. 525 00:31:48,458 --> 00:31:50,542 I was born and raised in the FLDS. 526 00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:53,875 We were a polygamist family. 527 00:31:54,375 --> 00:31:57,083 My parents were both born in the FLDS 528 00:31:57,208 --> 00:31:58,042 and so were their parents. 529 00:31:58,208 --> 00:32:00,292 So, it goes back generations. 530 00:32:01,625 --> 00:32:05,667 I have three moms and one dad and then there's 28 of us kids. 531 00:32:06,208 --> 00:32:08,625 So, I'm the ninth kid in my family. 532 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:11,917 [Matt] Tell me about your parents. 533 00:32:12,375 --> 00:32:13,833 [Faith] My birth mom is the first mom. 534 00:32:13,958 --> 00:32:16,542 Growing up, it was difficult to have 535 00:32:16,708 --> 00:32:18,917 a close personal relationship with my parents. 536 00:32:19,042 --> 00:32:21,042 As you can imagine, there's a lot of kids. 537 00:32:21,208 --> 00:32:24,667 My dad, especially, he was very strict 538 00:32:24,875 --> 00:32:26,458 and he ran his household that way, 539 00:32:26,583 --> 00:32:29,250 but then my dad was kicked out by Warren Jeffs. 540 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:38,792 So, at the time that my father was sent away, 541 00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:42,042 Warren Jeffs was already on the run from the FBI. 542 00:32:42,208 --> 00:32:43,708 So, he was already in hiding. 543 00:32:43,875 --> 00:32:47,125 My oldest brother Lud stepped in, 544 00:32:47,292 --> 00:32:49,667 basically he became the head of the household. 545 00:32:49,833 --> 00:32:52,125 When did you find out about Sam 546 00:32:52,292 --> 00:32:54,333 and what he was doing to your family? 547 00:32:54,792 --> 00:32:57,083 I found out about him in 2020. 548 00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:59,250 My oldest brother, Lud, is a part of Sam's group. 549 00:32:59,375 --> 00:33:02,125 He was the first one to get convinced by Sam 550 00:33:02,708 --> 00:33:03,917 to be the prophet 551 00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:05,792 and then Sam Bateman has convinced my family 552 00:33:05,917 --> 00:33:07,292 that Warren Jeffs is dead, 553 00:33:08,958 --> 00:33:11,417 and that Warren Jeffs came to him in spirit 554 00:33:11,542 --> 00:33:13,833 and told him that he was going to be the new prophet. 555 00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:15,292 Last I heard Warren is sick, 556 00:33:15,417 --> 00:33:17,917 but he's still in Texas in prison. 557 00:33:18,458 --> 00:33:20,625 How -- how can they believe this? 558 00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:23,000 It's easy for my family to be convinced of this 559 00:33:23,208 --> 00:33:25,000 because they're not allowed to get on the internet. 560 00:33:25,208 --> 00:33:27,250 They can't look up the fact that he is in prison. 561 00:33:27,792 --> 00:33:29,208 [Matt] First of all, how did you find out? 562 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:31,042 [Faith] The majority of my sisters, 563 00:33:31,208 --> 00:33:33,583 no longer speak to me except for one, 564 00:33:34,167 --> 00:33:36,125 who recently, within the last couple of years 565 00:33:36,250 --> 00:33:39,208 started to talk to me again. She just turned 18. 566 00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:45,292 [music] 567 00:33:47,375 --> 00:33:49,583 She's been messaging me and she's been telling me 568 00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:50,875 some really concerning things. 569 00:33:51,042 --> 00:33:52,583 So what -- what is concerning? 570 00:33:53,542 --> 00:33:56,000 Um, all three of my moms are with Sam. 571 00:33:56,542 --> 00:34:02,417 My oldest brother, Lud, has some underage daughters 572 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:05,583 who he gave to Sam as wives. 573 00:34:15,792 --> 00:34:17,167 And Sam married those daughters? 574 00:34:17,292 --> 00:34:18,500 [Faith] Exactly. 575 00:34:21,208 --> 00:34:23,458 Yeah and he married them when they were underage. 576 00:34:23,667 --> 00:34:27,333 Wow. Are they consummating their marriage or? 577 00:34:27,542 --> 00:34:29,000 I don't have any firsthand knowledge 578 00:34:29,125 --> 00:34:30,333 of that happening. 579 00:34:30,542 --> 00:34:33,667 I do have the FBI affidavit now, which mentions 580 00:34:34,208 --> 00:34:36,000 that he did have sexual relations 581 00:34:36,125 --> 00:34:38,292 with a lot of these underage girls. 582 00:34:39,458 --> 00:34:41,167 The FBI affidavit that was released 583 00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:45,042 detailed a certain ceremony, I guess you can call it, 584 00:34:45,208 --> 00:34:47,167 that happened at the end of 2021. 585 00:34:47,792 --> 00:34:50,250 How it was explained to me by another family member 586 00:34:50,417 --> 00:34:53,833 was that Sam decided that he needed to atone 587 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,875 for the sins of the FLDS people who would not agree 588 00:34:58,042 --> 00:34:59,208 to follow him. 589 00:35:00,292 --> 00:35:02,250 It clearly states in the affidavit, 590 00:35:02,375 --> 00:35:05,292 Sam Bateman had three different men pair up 591 00:35:05,417 --> 00:35:08,750 with three of his wives and conducted a ceremony 592 00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:13,792 where they basically had intercourse in front of Sam. 593 00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:17,500 One of the girls was only about 12 years old. 594 00:35:18,208 --> 00:35:23,833 What? For-- I'm sorry, I'm just kind of speechless. 595 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:26,667 What does that do to you knowing that your older brothers 596 00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:29,500 are I mean-- 597 00:35:31,333 --> 00:35:33,917 It's a mind [bleep] because I grew up 598 00:35:34,083 --> 00:35:38,167 with my brothers. Very close with them. 599 00:35:40,958 --> 00:35:44,583 I'm really upset at my brother, Lud, I'm really upset at him. 600 00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:49,042 I don't know, I don't know how else to say that. 601 00:35:49,708 --> 00:35:54,250 He has little children. I just can't fathom how a father 602 00:35:54,375 --> 00:35:57,792 could give his baby girls to a predator like that. 603 00:35:58,208 --> 00:35:59,583 I can't fathom it. 604 00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:08,333 [Officer] Alright, sir. Put your hands behind your back. 605 00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:09,708 [Matt] You know, Sam is sitting in jail right now, right? 606 00:36:09,792 --> 00:36:10,792 [Faith] Right. 607 00:36:10,875 --> 00:36:12,292 [Matt] How can he have any control 608 00:36:12,375 --> 00:36:13,708 when he's sitting in jail? 609 00:36:13,917 --> 00:36:17,750 Up until recently, he's been able to FaceTime with them, 610 00:36:17,958 --> 00:36:19,083 actually. 611 00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,500 So, he's still-- he's still doing like 612 00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:22,750 what Warren does. He's still calling the shots from jail. 613 00:36:22,875 --> 00:36:25,667 Right, exactly. I still believed Warren was the prophet 614 00:36:25,875 --> 00:36:26,833 when I left. 615 00:36:28,167 --> 00:36:29,042 Even sitting in prison? 616 00:36:29,667 --> 00:36:31,583 Especially sitting in prison. 617 00:36:31,792 --> 00:36:32,667 [Matt] Really why? 618 00:36:32,833 --> 00:36:34,208 That elevated him to a whole other level. 619 00:36:34,375 --> 00:36:36,500 Now he has this religious persecution. 620 00:36:37,917 --> 00:36:39,167 So, then that's the same-- 621 00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:40,542 [Faith] With Sam. So, I can see that. 622 00:36:40,708 --> 00:36:43,042 Yeah, they probably -- my family probably elevates him 623 00:36:43,208 --> 00:36:45,583 to a whole new level now that he's in prison. 624 00:36:46,125 --> 00:36:47,500 To more of a God status. 625 00:36:47,625 --> 00:36:49,458 Because now he's basically a martyr. 626 00:36:49,542 --> 00:36:51,500 -[Faith] Exactly. -[Matt] Wow. 627 00:36:53,458 --> 00:36:55,000 You left at 18? 628 00:36:55,167 --> 00:36:56,708 -19 -[Matt] 19? 629 00:36:59,083 --> 00:37:01,292 [Faith] It took a few years before I came to the realization 630 00:37:01,458 --> 00:37:04,000 that Warren Jeffs wasn't the prophet. 631 00:37:04,208 --> 00:37:05,458 [Matt] Wow. 632 00:37:05,583 --> 00:37:06,833 [Faith] Because when we grew up in the FLDS, 633 00:37:07,042 --> 00:37:10,958 every single thing was enveloped by this religion 634 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:15,250 and Warren Jeffs was our connection to God. 635 00:37:31,208 --> 00:37:33,500 What he said mattered more than anything, 636 00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:37,833 more than our dads, more than our moms, more than anyone. 637 00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:44,375 So, we looked at him as basically like a god. 638 00:37:46,875 --> 00:37:49,542 It was taught to me that it was a woman's duty 639 00:37:49,708 --> 00:37:51,750 to bring children into the earth. 640 00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:54,667 And you were you-- when were you taught that? 641 00:37:54,833 --> 00:37:55,917 Since birth. 642 00:38:02,542 --> 00:38:05,833 Warren Jeffs started to make strict rules 643 00:38:05,958 --> 00:38:09,708 here and there and they just got stricter and stricter 644 00:38:09,875 --> 00:38:12,333 and so, I remember that making an impact on me. 645 00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:17,583 He got rid of the community events that we had. 646 00:38:18,208 --> 00:38:22,375 He made socializing-- the term socializing a bad word. 647 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,958 He's the one that made the rule, no internet. 648 00:38:25,875 --> 00:38:29,167 For education in the FLDS, they had private schools 649 00:38:29,292 --> 00:38:32,375 and we would have the typical first grade through high school. 650 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:36,333 But when I was 13, the year that I was supposed 651 00:38:36,458 --> 00:38:39,167 to enter into freshman year of high school, 652 00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,292 Warren Jeffs decided that we no longer needed 653 00:38:42,417 --> 00:38:44,708 high school and so he got rid of that. 654 00:38:45,208 --> 00:38:48,167 I was very disappointed because I-- I loved school. 655 00:38:49,292 --> 00:38:54,250 So, I got this algebra book and so I started teaching myself 656 00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:57,250 and then I went to my oldest brother, Lud, 657 00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:00,042 And asked him if I could go to college. 658 00:39:00,917 --> 00:39:02,500 He said, "Well, I need to get permission." 659 00:39:02,583 --> 00:39:05,417 And so supposedly, he talked to Warren in prison 660 00:39:05,542 --> 00:39:06,833 and he got back to me 661 00:39:06,958 --> 00:39:08,875 and he said, "You're welcome to go get your GED." 662 00:39:09,375 --> 00:39:11,667 And so I went and I got my GED at age 16 663 00:39:11,833 --> 00:39:14,333 and then I just enrolled in college classes right away. 664 00:39:14,875 --> 00:39:16,917 Growing up we were not allowed to engage 665 00:39:17,083 --> 00:39:18,167 with the outside world at all. 666 00:39:18,375 --> 00:39:20,583 So when I was in college, that's when my -- 667 00:39:20,708 --> 00:39:22,625 the wheels in my brain really started turning. 668 00:39:23,708 --> 00:39:25,833 I started displaying outward signs of rebellion, 669 00:39:25,917 --> 00:39:29,625 like I no longer wore the big poof in the front of my hair. 670 00:39:29,708 --> 00:39:32,083 I pulled my hair back and not caring. 671 00:39:32,958 --> 00:39:34,750 There were no fights over these little rebellions. 672 00:39:34,875 --> 00:39:37,292 My family just kind of started to ignore me 673 00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:39,333 and that was excruciating. 674 00:39:40,083 --> 00:39:43,125 I was always told that anyone who had left was very miserable 675 00:39:43,917 --> 00:39:46,375 and they all wanted to come back and I had an older brother 676 00:39:46,458 --> 00:39:48,500 who left who I had no contact with, 677 00:39:48,708 --> 00:39:50,833 because we were not allowed to talk to anyone who had left. 678 00:39:51,875 --> 00:39:54,750 I knew that if I left that my family would cut me off 679 00:39:54,917 --> 00:39:58,000 because I saw how they reacted to my older brother leaving. 680 00:39:58,125 --> 00:40:01,583 [music] 681 00:40:01,708 --> 00:40:03,208 [Matt] Why did you leave? 682 00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:05,042 [Faith] I got a hold of my brother who left 683 00:40:05,208 --> 00:40:06,875 and I-- I said, "Hey, I just want to know, 684 00:40:07,042 --> 00:40:09,583 I'm thinking about leaving and I want to know 685 00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:11,833 if you regret it. If you regret leaving." 686 00:40:11,917 --> 00:40:14,083 Like just be -- just be upfront with me 687 00:40:15,042 --> 00:40:16,667 and he said, "No, it's the best thing 688 00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:19,000 that's ever happened to me and I would recommend it 689 00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,333 to every single person there." 690 00:40:21,042 --> 00:40:22,917 And that was another mind blowing moment. 691 00:40:23,542 --> 00:40:27,833 Because I was like, wait, I've been lied to. 692 00:40:28,958 --> 00:40:32,583 Like, what is going on here? I've been lied to. 693 00:40:33,708 --> 00:40:36,000 My parents have been lying to me. 694 00:40:37,542 --> 00:40:38,708 You know, I heard -- I heard it 695 00:40:38,875 --> 00:40:40,000 straight from my brother's mouth. 696 00:40:40,083 --> 00:40:41,958 He didn't-- he didn't regret leaving. 697 00:40:43,792 --> 00:40:45,833 That's the moment that I decided I wasn't-- 698 00:40:46,542 --> 00:40:47,917 I wasn't going to stay. 699 00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:58,125 I had no plans when I left. 700 00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:02,333 I had a total of $60 cash in my pocket. 701 00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:05,292 My first job was a 911 dispatcher 702 00:41:06,458 --> 00:41:11,375 with the law enforcement agency in Williston, North Dakota. 703 00:41:12,375 --> 00:41:15,625 I didn't know normal things like you have to be on time. 704 00:41:16,833 --> 00:41:18,333 Yeah there were some rough patches of me 705 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,042 Just figuring out how you are suppose to operate in a job. 706 00:41:25,042 --> 00:41:26,500 I made it through nursing school. 707 00:41:26,625 --> 00:41:27,875 I'm a career woman. 708 00:41:28,833 --> 00:41:31,000 I like to take vacations. I have friends. 709 00:41:34,708 --> 00:41:38,667 [Matt] Kids are hurt, you know, people want to protect kids. 710 00:41:38,833 --> 00:41:41,333 So, why within Sam's organization 711 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,583 or the FLDS religion 712 00:41:44,125 --> 00:41:46,667 don't people report things to the police? 713 00:41:46,833 --> 00:41:49,417 So, I genuinely believe that my-- that the people 714 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:50,667 who are a part of Sam's group 715 00:41:50,792 --> 00:41:52,625 do not believe they're hurting kids. 716 00:41:53,708 --> 00:41:56,333 They see what's going on as a sacred ordinance 717 00:41:57,167 --> 00:41:58,708 and so I believe that that's the reason 718 00:41:58,875 --> 00:42:00,042 they are not reporting. 719 00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:04,292 So, for my little sisters, I want them to get to a point 720 00:42:04,417 --> 00:42:05,583 where they can choose what they want 721 00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:06,958 in their own lives. 722 00:42:08,208 --> 00:42:09,417 It's not going to be easy. 723 00:42:10,042 --> 00:42:12,417 I remember being told that, you know, misery loves company 724 00:42:12,542 --> 00:42:15,250 and so the apostates are going to tell you whatever they can 725 00:42:15,458 --> 00:42:16,958 to get you to join them in their misery. 726 00:42:18,125 --> 00:42:19,958 So, I know that that's what they're thinking of me, 727 00:42:21,208 --> 00:42:23,708 but I'll never stop trying to get them to leave. 728 00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:36,042 [Matt] Keep doing what you're doing. 729 00:42:36,208 --> 00:42:39,250 You're doing amazing work. Just keep doing it. 730 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:41,917 The fact that Faith would come forward, 731 00:42:42,042 --> 00:42:46,167 with everything riding on her, with her family and her career. 732 00:42:46,583 --> 00:42:48,458 Hopefully law enforcement will see this 733 00:42:48,875 --> 00:42:50,500 and they'll want to take action on it 734 00:42:51,208 --> 00:42:54,500 and when you bring somebody wanting to speak out 735 00:42:54,708 --> 00:42:56,500 about injustices happening to people 736 00:42:56,667 --> 00:42:57,917 in her own family, 737 00:42:58,083 --> 00:43:00,125 I hope other people catch on and want to do the same. 738 00:43:00,292 --> 00:43:04,958 [music]