1 00:00:08,208 --> 00:00:09,667 [Faith] As a very young girl, 2 00:00:09,792 --> 00:00:11,833 we were taught the younger you were when you got married, 3 00:00:11,958 --> 00:00:13,375 the more righteous you were. 4 00:00:13,542 --> 00:00:16,833 [Matt] These young girls are marrying guys that are 5 00:00:16,958 --> 00:00:19,458 50, 60, 70-year-old men. 6 00:00:19,625 --> 00:00:22,417 So many of these young girls were brought down from Canada 7 00:00:22,542 --> 00:00:24,667 because it is easier to hide girls 8 00:00:24,833 --> 00:00:28,125 when they have no passports. They have no birth certificates. 9 00:00:28,250 --> 00:00:30,833 After this bishop surrendered his daughter to this marriage, 10 00:00:30,958 --> 00:00:33,000 he received a 15-year-old bride in return. 11 00:00:33,125 --> 00:00:35,542 -It was like a barter system. -That is so messed up. 12 00:00:35,708 --> 00:00:39,458 I really wish I could be there for my sisters. 13 00:00:40,625 --> 00:00:42,708 [Alyshia] Warren would come up into my room 14 00:00:42,833 --> 00:00:44,667 and pick me up out of my bed. 15 00:00:44,792 --> 00:00:45,958 He was taking me down to his room. 16 00:00:46,083 --> 00:00:48,167 I thought that he was this kind man 17 00:00:48,292 --> 00:00:50,583 and I got to see a whole different side of him. 18 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,750 [Nate] Warren was a sexual deviant. 19 00:00:52,875 --> 00:00:56,833 He's got this entire community and its financial resources 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,458 to perpetuate sex abuse. 21 00:00:59,625 --> 00:01:01,458 I don't know what it's gonna take to stop it, 22 00:01:01,583 --> 00:01:04,375 but it definitely needs to [bleep] stop. 23 00:01:06,333 --> 00:01:07,667 [Matt] My name is Matt Browning. 24 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:10,167 I'm retired law enforcement out of Arizona. 25 00:01:10,333 --> 00:01:13,042 I was on both the Joint Terrorist Task Force 26 00:01:13,167 --> 00:01:15,667 and the Fugitive Task Force with the FBI. 27 00:01:15,833 --> 00:01:18,917 But most importantly, I'm a husband and a father. 28 00:01:19,042 --> 00:01:20,375 And I was born and raised a member of the 29 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:23,417 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 30 00:01:23,542 --> 00:01:25,625 A few years ago, my wife Tawni and I 31 00:01:25,708 --> 00:01:27,958 were contacted by women who wanted help 32 00:01:28,083 --> 00:01:29,958 leaving the polygamous groups. 33 00:01:30,125 --> 00:01:32,792 Since then, we've been contacted numerous times 34 00:01:32,917 --> 00:01:35,333 by people asking for help. 35 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:37,417 Some of these groups have a history of incest 36 00:01:37,542 --> 00:01:39,375 and child abuse 37 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:43,500 and are thriving right here in the United States. 38 00:01:43,708 --> 00:01:47,667 People need to know about this, and that's why we do what we do. 39 00:01:47,750 --> 00:01:50,833 [music] 40 00:01:56,583 --> 00:02:02,500 [music] 41 00:02:19,375 --> 00:02:21,542 [Matt] I don't think I fully understand this whole 42 00:02:21,708 --> 00:02:23,542 child bride phenomenon. 43 00:02:23,708 --> 00:02:26,792 Maybe it's because as a parent I would never let it happen 44 00:02:26,875 --> 00:02:28,125 to my kids. 45 00:02:28,250 --> 00:02:30,167 It's just not one person who is saying, 46 00:02:30,375 --> 00:02:33,167 "Hey, I want this, this young person to be my wife." 47 00:02:33,292 --> 00:02:36,583 There's actually a slew of people behind it all, 48 00:02:36,667 --> 00:02:39,708 and they do it for a variety of different reasons. 49 00:02:41,667 --> 00:02:43,917 One thing you see across polygamist groups 50 00:02:44,125 --> 00:02:46,333 is they seek out isolation. 51 00:02:47,375 --> 00:02:49,375 The group that eventually became the FLDS settled 52 00:02:49,458 --> 00:02:55,333 in a place called Short Creek on the Utah-Arizona line. 53 00:02:55,458 --> 00:02:57,875 They chose Short Creek because it was a long way 54 00:02:58,042 --> 00:03:00,042 from any government, any authority 55 00:03:00,167 --> 00:03:02,875 that could try to crack down on plural marriage. 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,250 [Matt] Historically in the FLDS, it's common for a girl 57 00:03:06,375 --> 00:03:09,833 to be married at 16. And it was more common than not. 58 00:03:09,958 --> 00:03:15,917 [music] 59 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:23,500 But when Warren Jeffs took power in 2002, 60 00:03:23,625 --> 00:03:26,500 the 16-year-old marriages changed 61 00:03:26,625 --> 00:03:30,083 to now they're 12, 13, 14, 15. 62 00:03:30,250 --> 00:03:33,208 These young girls are marrying guys that are 63 00:03:33,333 --> 00:03:38,375 50, 60, 70-year-old men. And that became Warren's legacy. 64 00:03:39,792 --> 00:03:44,250 [Warren] You wake up each day yearning to please him. 65 00:03:44,375 --> 00:03:47,167 You rejoice in his will towards you. 66 00:03:47,375 --> 00:03:49,042 You pray for him. 67 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,792 The only way that we could get any--anything from God, 68 00:03:53,875 --> 00:03:57,875 any messages or anything from God was through Warren Jeffs. 69 00:03:58,042 --> 00:04:02,458 [Warren] In your life, there's no secret you keep from him. 70 00:04:02,542 --> 00:04:06,167 But you keep his secrets. 71 00:04:06,292 --> 00:04:09,458 You keep sacred your relationship with him. 72 00:04:10,958 --> 00:04:13,500 There's a term that you hear often when you read 73 00:04:13,625 --> 00:04:16,625 FLDS literature, and that is keep sweet. 74 00:04:16,833 --> 00:04:18,542 And what that means is if you are obedient to 75 00:04:18,750 --> 00:04:21,958 what we teach you, your life will be right. 76 00:04:22,042 --> 00:04:25,000 It will be good. 77 00:04:25,042 --> 00:04:27,417 [Faith] As a very young girl, we were taught that 78 00:04:27,583 --> 00:04:29,167 the younger you were when you got married, 79 00:04:29,292 --> 00:04:32,125 the more righteous you were. 80 00:04:32,208 --> 00:04:35,000 [Nate] Warren was a sexual deviant. 81 00:04:35,708 --> 00:04:37,750 You hear stories all the way back before he ascended 82 00:04:37,875 --> 00:04:40,792 into power that he was molesting members of his family, 83 00:04:40,917 --> 00:04:43,167 sometimes his own children. 84 00:04:43,333 --> 00:04:46,833 And then he ascends to the top of the FLDS, 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,500 and now he's really unfettered. He's got this entire community 86 00:04:50,625 --> 00:04:55,333 and its financial resources to perpetuate sex abuse. 87 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:57,958 And he's taking advantage of it. 88 00:04:58,042 --> 00:05:00,750 It bothered a lot of people that Warren was marrying young girls, 89 00:05:00,875 --> 00:05:03,542 but no one dared actually speak it because he was the prophet, 90 00:05:03,750 --> 00:05:04,833 you know? 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Even a lot of those men that he required to marry 92 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:10,958 underage girls too didn't want to do it. 93 00:05:11,083 --> 00:05:17,042 [music] 94 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,333 That temple in Texas was not just a place to worship, 95 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:32,208 it was a place for him to commit sex abuse. 96 00:05:32,375 --> 00:05:38,417 [music] 97 00:05:48,208 --> 00:05:50,875 [Man] A Texas jury has sentenced polygamist leader Warren Jeffs 98 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,083 to life in prison plus twenty years. 99 00:05:54,208 --> 00:05:55,667 The jury heeded the prosecutor's call 100 00:05:55,792 --> 00:05:57,875 to give Jeffs the maximum sentence for 101 00:05:58,042 --> 00:06:01,708 sexually assaulting an underage follower he took as his bride. 102 00:06:01,875 --> 00:06:03,583 He was also sentenced for the sexual assault 103 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:05,792 of a fifteen-year-old. 104 00:06:07,042 --> 00:06:10,292 [Matt] I am on my way to meet an extremely special young lady 105 00:06:10,417 --> 00:06:13,000 that I've met before who has been involved 106 00:06:13,167 --> 00:06:17,750 in a whole variety of different really traumatizing incidents 107 00:06:17,958 --> 00:06:22,083 that involved the FLDS Church. And her name is Alyshia. 108 00:06:22,208 --> 00:06:28,333 [music] 109 00:06:32,208 --> 00:06:36,625 When she was 12, she was sent across the border from Canada 110 00:06:36,792 --> 00:06:40,750 and she became Warren Jeffs' wife. 111 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,083 At that time, Warren was 50 years old. 112 00:06:45,292 --> 00:06:48,667 She's willing to tell her story, which is unreal to me. 113 00:06:49,542 --> 00:06:53,417 And it's a person who has been there, done that, 114 00:06:53,542 --> 00:06:55,833 that is able to shed the light on the things 115 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,083 that we need to know because really our goal here 116 00:06:59,250 --> 00:07:01,125 is to prevent this from happening. 117 00:07:04,208 --> 00:07:06,042 All right, let's go. 118 00:07:07,667 --> 00:07:09,333 -Hey, hey. -Hey. 119 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:10,750 -How are you doing? -I'm doing good. 120 00:07:10,917 --> 00:07:12,667 -How are you doing? -I'm doing great. 121 00:07:12,875 --> 00:07:16,583 Thank you for, uh, taking the time. 122 00:07:17,375 --> 00:07:18,667 What you been up to? 123 00:07:18,875 --> 00:07:21,167 I've just been working and hanging out with my kid. 124 00:07:21,333 --> 00:07:22,500 -[laughs] -Happy? 125 00:07:22,625 --> 00:07:24,458 Just loving my life. Yes, I am very happy. 126 00:07:24,583 --> 00:07:26,458 -Nervous? -A little bit. 127 00:07:26,583 --> 00:07:27,542 Well, if you don't want to answer something, 128 00:07:27,708 --> 00:07:30,667 just say, "Yeah, I don't think so, Matt." 129 00:07:32,667 --> 00:07:33,458 -Okay. -Does that work? 130 00:07:33,542 --> 00:07:35,333 -Yep. -Okay. 131 00:07:36,208 --> 00:07:38,792 My name is Alyshia Blackmore. I was born and raised 132 00:07:38,917 --> 00:07:41,000 in the FLDS group. 133 00:07:41,167 --> 00:07:44,000 At the age of 12, I was married to Warren Jeffs 134 00:07:44,167 --> 00:07:46,417 as his 77th wife. 135 00:07:46,583 --> 00:07:50,083 He has 79 wives in all. 136 00:07:51,792 --> 00:07:53,792 Help me explain to people the difference between growing up 137 00:07:53,917 --> 00:07:58,542 FLDS in Canada and in the Creek. 138 00:07:58,917 --> 00:08:00,542 [Alyshia] I feel like, especially in our family, 139 00:08:00,708 --> 00:08:04,875 we were allowed a lot more space as children to explore. 140 00:08:05,042 --> 00:08:07,667 My dad, like, raised us to use our voices and 141 00:08:07,792 --> 00:08:11,583 to think for ourselves a lot, which was unlike a lot of 142 00:08:11,708 --> 00:08:13,583 other families in the religion. 143 00:08:13,708 --> 00:08:16,417 I was five when I first met Warren Jeffs. 144 00:08:16,542 --> 00:08:19,125 My two older sisters got married to him, 145 00:08:19,292 --> 00:08:20,833 and I met him at their wedding. 146 00:08:21,042 --> 00:08:22,042 Okay. 147 00:08:22,208 --> 00:08:23,958 [Alyshia] And he was really kind to me. 148 00:08:24,083 --> 00:08:26,917 I liked him and I was happy that my sisters were married 149 00:08:27,042 --> 00:08:29,000 to a kind man. 150 00:08:29,125 --> 00:08:32,333 My older sisters married Warren at the same time. 151 00:08:32,458 --> 00:08:36,750 The oldest one was 17. The other one was 16. 152 00:08:36,875 --> 00:08:38,667 He wasn't the prophet at that time, 153 00:08:38,792 --> 00:08:41,833 but he was the son of the prophet 154 00:08:41,917 --> 00:08:44,875 and still a part of the first presidency of the church. 155 00:08:45,042 --> 00:08:47,833 My dad looked up to him, trusted him, 156 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,208 and it was considered a great honor that your daughter was 157 00:08:52,375 --> 00:08:56,417 worthy to marry a man in high standing in the church. 158 00:08:57,333 --> 00:09:00,167 He would call up to Dad's quite a bit and ask to talk to me, 159 00:09:00,292 --> 00:09:01,917 which nobody thought was weird. Everybody told me, 160 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:04,417 "Oh, that's so special. That's so special." 161 00:09:04,542 --> 00:09:08,500 I have no idea what a grown-ass man would be doing 162 00:09:08,625 --> 00:09:12,333 calling a six, seven, eight-year-old girl and 163 00:09:12,500 --> 00:09:14,250 how that conversation would be. 164 00:09:14,375 --> 00:09:17,167 It was usually short and sweet. He would always just ask me, 165 00:09:17,375 --> 00:09:20,500 "Are you being a good girl? Are you, you obeying your father?" 166 00:09:20,667 --> 00:09:22,833 And I would always just say, "Yeah." 167 00:09:22,958 --> 00:09:24,292 He's like, "Are you being Zion increasingly?" 168 00:09:24,458 --> 00:09:25,750 Like, just simple questions. 169 00:09:25,875 --> 00:09:28,000 What is being Zion increasingly look like? 170 00:09:28,125 --> 00:09:32,458 Being obedient, not questioning, not asking any questions. 171 00:09:32,542 --> 00:09:33,917 [laughs] 172 00:09:34,042 --> 00:09:35,750 And as you look back-- As you look now back at that, 173 00:09:35,875 --> 00:09:39,167 -what do you think? -It was [bleep] creepy. [laughs] 174 00:09:39,292 --> 00:09:41,125 I didn't know any better. 175 00:09:41,250 --> 00:09:45,667 When I was 12 years old, he contacted my dad and 176 00:09:45,792 --> 00:09:49,500 informed him that the Lord had revealed that I belonged to him 177 00:09:49,667 --> 00:09:51,917 and that I was to be sealed to him. 178 00:09:52,042 --> 00:09:55,500 My dad's initial reaction to that was, "No. Uh-uh." 179 00:09:55,708 --> 00:09:59,042 "She will finish growing up in my household, 180 00:09:59,208 --> 00:10:01,625 "then that will be an honor if she's placed by your side. 181 00:10:01,750 --> 00:10:03,167 But she's a child." 182 00:10:04,542 --> 00:10:08,542 Two weeks later, he re-contacted my dad 183 00:10:08,708 --> 00:10:12,000 and told him that the Lord had revealed to him again 184 00:10:12,167 --> 00:10:15,833 that I was a special spirit and the devil was seeking to 185 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,458 take my life and to destroy me. And my only protection would be 186 00:10:20,625 --> 00:10:22,500 in Warren Jeffs' immediate household 187 00:10:22,625 --> 00:10:24,333 under his direct priesthood. 188 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:28,333 The thing my dad didn't fully understand through the fear 189 00:10:28,417 --> 00:10:30,625 and the manipulation was that 190 00:10:30,750 --> 00:10:34,167 that was the very devil that he was speaking of. 191 00:10:34,292 --> 00:10:35,250 [music] 192 00:10:41,542 --> 00:10:42,875 [music] 193 00:10:43,042 --> 00:10:45,667 Every bit of it was scary from the first talk 194 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:49,083 that me and my dad had to watching it unfold, 195 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:52,375 and then all of a sudden, it was happening so fast. 196 00:10:52,542 --> 00:10:57,000 There was all those feelings of knowing that it was wrong, 197 00:10:57,083 --> 00:10:58,875 but feeling like you have to do it anyway 198 00:10:59,042 --> 00:11:00,583 or you'll lose your salvation. 199 00:11:00,667 --> 00:11:02,792 That was a lot to, like, process 200 00:11:02,875 --> 00:11:07,250 and it's a very scary position to be in, especially as a child. 201 00:11:07,375 --> 00:11:13,250 [music] 202 00:11:17,542 --> 00:11:18,875 What'd you think? 203 00:11:19,042 --> 00:11:20,333 Well, first impression of the place when you saw it? 204 00:11:20,458 --> 00:11:22,417 The temple. 205 00:11:22,542 --> 00:11:23,792 I forgot all my worries for a minute 206 00:11:23,875 --> 00:11:26,125 'cause it was a very beautiful temple. 207 00:11:27,083 --> 00:11:28,833 Do you know that you're getting married yet? 208 00:11:28,958 --> 00:11:31,167 Yeah, Dad had told me, but he said, 209 00:11:31,292 --> 00:11:33,333 "It won't happen until you're 18, 19 or 20. 210 00:11:33,542 --> 00:11:35,750 I told him to wait." 211 00:11:39,042 --> 00:11:42,333 My dad told him on no uncertain terms to leave me alone 212 00:11:42,542 --> 00:11:44,250 until I was of age. 213 00:11:44,417 --> 00:11:47,917 From what I understand then, Warren agreed to that. 214 00:11:48,375 --> 00:11:50,708 He told my dad that I would be staying with my big sisters 215 00:11:50,875 --> 00:11:53,000 and that they would be there for me and 216 00:11:53,208 --> 00:11:57,000 I would complete my schooling. So my dad agreed to let me go, 217 00:11:57,083 --> 00:12:02,000 not knowing that he planned to marry me immediately. 218 00:12:02,875 --> 00:12:06,417 We got there the night of the 12th of December, 219 00:12:06,583 --> 00:12:08,708 and then we got married on the 16th. 220 00:12:08,833 --> 00:12:10,792 Before you were married, did the other ladies there 221 00:12:10,917 --> 00:12:13,083 give you pointers on how to be a good wife or--? 222 00:12:13,208 --> 00:12:15,708 Oh yeah. Mm-hm. My big sister especially, 223 00:12:15,833 --> 00:12:18,583 then she would tell us everything that she thought 224 00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:22,833 that we should know about what he wanted and what he expected, 225 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,833 which was a lot. It was a lot. 226 00:12:25,958 --> 00:12:27,667 And did you know you were getting married on the 16th? 227 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:29,542 No. Not until the evening. 228 00:12:29,667 --> 00:12:31,208 My sister didn't really let us know. 229 00:12:31,375 --> 00:12:33,333 She was just like, "You need to--you need to get ready, 230 00:12:33,458 --> 00:12:35,042 you need to get ready." And she told us, she's like, 231 00:12:35,208 --> 00:12:37,125 "Somebody really special wants to see you." 232 00:12:37,250 --> 00:12:38,833 And we knew we were gonna see him 233 00:12:38,917 --> 00:12:41,250 'cause we hadn't seen him yet. 234 00:12:41,375 --> 00:12:44,375 -And this is Warren? -Yeah. Everything was so secret. 235 00:12:44,542 --> 00:12:46,167 [music] 236 00:12:46,292 --> 00:12:47,792 [Matt] So they walked you over to the church? 237 00:12:47,917 --> 00:12:49,167 [Alyshia] It wasn't in the church. 238 00:12:49,375 --> 00:12:53,292 We got married in his office waiting room area. 239 00:12:53,417 --> 00:12:55,417 [Matt] What was the first thing he said to you when he saw you 240 00:12:55,542 --> 00:12:58,583 -in the waiting room? -"You all look beautiful. 241 00:12:58,708 --> 00:13:02,583 I like your smile and your lips." 242 00:13:02,708 --> 00:13:04,125 -He said that to you? -Mm-hmm. 243 00:13:04,208 --> 00:13:07,375 -All of you? -To me, specifically. 244 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,208 "Nice lips." 245 00:13:10,333 --> 00:13:11,667 But you're 12. 246 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:14,417 -Yeah. -Okay. 247 00:13:15,667 --> 00:13:18,375 [Alyshia] There was a lot going through my head and 248 00:13:18,542 --> 00:13:21,083 as a young girl standing there, knowing that I was about 249 00:13:21,208 --> 00:13:25,708 to marry a 50-year-old man, 250 00:13:25,875 --> 00:13:29,042 I knew nothing about sex. 251 00:13:29,167 --> 00:13:32,500 I knew nothing about how my body was about to change. 252 00:13:32,708 --> 00:13:35,792 And I didn't know even what to expect. 253 00:13:35,917 --> 00:13:39,333 I mean, I knew enough to know that 254 00:13:39,542 --> 00:13:41,583 I wasn't ready yet for sure. 255 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:45,042 [music] 256 00:13:45,167 --> 00:13:47,667 He stood up and he said, "Alyshia, come here." 257 00:13:47,833 --> 00:13:51,000 And--and, um, I got up and I walked up to him 258 00:13:51,208 --> 00:13:54,417 and he held on to my hand. Then he, he, like, asked me, 259 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:56,042 like, while he was holding on to my hand like that. 260 00:13:56,208 --> 00:13:57,500 He's like, "Will you marry me?" 261 00:13:57,625 --> 00:14:00,125 -What'd you say? -I said yes. 262 00:14:00,250 --> 00:14:02,958 I mean, what does a little girl say? 263 00:14:03,083 --> 00:14:05,500 [music] 264 00:14:05,708 --> 00:14:10,875 [Alyshia] On my wedding night, I was not physically prepped 265 00:14:11,042 --> 00:14:14,958 how he usually had his wives prepped for him 266 00:14:15,083 --> 00:14:19,333 if they planned on consummating the marriage or whatever. 267 00:14:21,208 --> 00:14:25,792 But I do know that Warren usually had his wives, like, 268 00:14:25,917 --> 00:14:30,708 engage in this ceremonial process of, like, prepping 269 00:14:30,875 --> 00:14:34,125 to get the younger wives ready for him 270 00:14:34,208 --> 00:14:36,625 or having them assist, like that's the word 271 00:14:36,792 --> 00:14:39,000 that he always used is assist. 272 00:14:39,125 --> 00:14:41,000 [music] 273 00:14:41,208 --> 00:14:45,417 [Alyshia] Which consisted of them showering together, 274 00:14:45,542 --> 00:14:48,167 making out with each other, touching each other all over, 275 00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:52,750 shaving each other because the--his women's bodies 276 00:14:52,917 --> 00:14:55,167 had to be, like, completely hairless. 277 00:14:55,292 --> 00:14:58,250 And he would be in the room, watching, 278 00:14:58,417 --> 00:15:01,333 and have them, um, 279 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,958 do everything on him, like, at the same time. 280 00:15:05,083 --> 00:15:06,833 Growing up, I thought that Warren was this 281 00:15:06,917 --> 00:15:11,167 awesome, sweet, kind man, and no, 282 00:15:11,375 --> 00:15:14,250 I got to see a whole different side of him. 283 00:15:14,417 --> 00:15:18,167 [music] 284 00:15:18,375 --> 00:15:21,292 [Alyshia] Warren would come up into my room and 285 00:15:21,417 --> 00:15:25,042 pick me up out of my bed, like I was dead--dead asleep. 286 00:15:25,208 --> 00:15:27,583 And he would come and get me and, like, 287 00:15:27,708 --> 00:15:29,667 make it out of my room and, like, 288 00:15:29,833 --> 00:15:32,167 down the hall a little bit before I would, like, wake up. 289 00:15:32,333 --> 00:15:33,917 And that happened several times. 290 00:15:34,042 --> 00:15:35,500 He was taking me down to his room and whatever. 291 00:15:35,708 --> 00:15:37,125 But, um, I would always wake up 292 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:38,958 and, like, fight him a little bit 293 00:15:39,083 --> 00:15:40,333 and, like, make him set me down and like, 294 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:41,833 and then tell him, like, 295 00:15:42,042 --> 00:15:44,125 "No, no. My dad said to wait, my dad said to wait." 296 00:15:44,250 --> 00:15:45,917 And, like, that--that's one of the things, like, he's, 297 00:15:46,083 --> 00:15:47,667 "Why are you always talking about your dad?" 298 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:51,292 Like, "Why would you obey your dad over the prophet of God?" 299 00:15:51,458 --> 00:15:53,208 [music] 300 00:15:53,375 --> 00:15:54,500 Like, he would grab my ass sometimes 301 00:15:54,708 --> 00:15:57,875 and I would say "Don't." And he did not like that. 302 00:15:58,083 --> 00:16:00,250 He did not like that at all. 303 00:16:00,417 --> 00:16:04,417 As far as penetration, he never penetrated me. 304 00:16:06,333 --> 00:16:09,500 Knowing as much as I did about where my dad 305 00:16:09,708 --> 00:16:13,917 truly stood on the matter made me strong enough to 306 00:16:15,708 --> 00:16:19,750 keep telling him no. And I just really didn't care. 307 00:16:19,875 --> 00:16:21,708 I didn't care what Warren thought. 308 00:16:21,875 --> 00:16:25,000 I remember overhearing Warren speaking to my older sister 309 00:16:25,125 --> 00:16:30,542 about how he felt like that I was disobedient, 310 00:16:30,667 --> 00:16:34,167 and he said, "I--I give you permission to do or say whatever 311 00:16:34,375 --> 00:16:37,208 you need to do to break her." 312 00:16:37,375 --> 00:16:39,042 Wow. 313 00:16:39,250 --> 00:16:40,542 [music] 314 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:43,250 My brain went wild with just that phrase, like, 315 00:16:43,417 --> 00:16:45,833 "To break me." Like, "[bleep] you, then." 316 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,250 Like, "You're not gonna [bleep] break me." 317 00:16:54,375 --> 00:16:55,333 [Matt] You know, the whole grooming process 318 00:16:55,542 --> 00:16:57,333 where they tell you how great you are, 319 00:16:57,458 --> 00:16:59,583 how lucky you are, and then they build you up 320 00:16:59,708 --> 00:17:01,583 to be something. 321 00:17:01,708 --> 00:17:04,292 Tell me about that process that happened with you. 322 00:17:04,458 --> 00:17:06,625 Well, it started clear back when I was a child. 323 00:17:06,750 --> 00:17:08,167 Like, I felt special until 324 00:17:08,292 --> 00:17:12,125 I remember the very day that it all changed. 325 00:17:13,125 --> 00:17:15,958 Warren told me to go and try on a dress, 326 00:17:16,083 --> 00:17:18,667 and I just simply asked him "Do I have to?" 327 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:20,292 Like, "Can I not?" 328 00:17:20,417 --> 00:17:21,875 Like, "Not in front of everybody." 329 00:17:22,042 --> 00:17:24,833 Because I was a young girl. My body was starting to change. 330 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,167 And I was very self-conscious about it. 331 00:17:27,375 --> 00:17:31,542 And he felt like, that I was disobedient 332 00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:35,000 and the fact that I even hesitated proved that 333 00:17:35,167 --> 00:17:38,417 I still had gentile nature in me that needed-- 334 00:17:38,542 --> 00:17:39,917 I needed to overcome. 335 00:17:40,042 --> 00:17:42,917 And how far into the marriage was this? 336 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,333 Three months. 337 00:17:44,542 --> 00:17:47,000 I thought in my mind, if he genuinely cares about me, 338 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:50,333 I mean, I'm his wife, right? He will care how I feel. 339 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:51,667 Mm-hmm. Right. 340 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:54,167 And no, he, like, took it the whole opposite way 341 00:17:54,375 --> 00:17:56,750 and made me feel that I was very unworthy 342 00:17:56,875 --> 00:17:58,000 because I didn't want to. 343 00:17:58,208 --> 00:17:59,458 Like, he didn't give a [bleep] how I felt. 344 00:17:59,542 --> 00:18:03,375 If any of his wives or children even slightly 345 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:05,500 showed any resistance or hesitation, then he 346 00:18:05,667 --> 00:18:09,500 turned to anger or gave you the silent treatment. 347 00:18:09,667 --> 00:18:13,167 And then we're just trying to get back to the point like, 348 00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:16,083 where he trusted us. We felt like we broke his trust 349 00:18:16,208 --> 00:18:19,208 if--that we spoke out or hesitated 350 00:18:19,375 --> 00:18:20,958 because that's how he made us feel. 351 00:18:21,125 --> 00:18:22,917 Righteous indignation is what he called it, 352 00:18:23,083 --> 00:18:25,833 where the Lord was very displeased. 353 00:18:25,875 --> 00:18:32,083 [music] 354 00:18:35,458 --> 00:18:39,792 From the moment that I wasn't with my dad anymore, 355 00:18:39,917 --> 00:18:43,042 then there was zero communication. 356 00:18:43,208 --> 00:18:44,583 It was completely cut off. 357 00:18:44,708 --> 00:18:49,042 And so my dad was 100% unaware of anything that went on. 358 00:18:49,208 --> 00:18:51,833 And even to this day my mom is completely unaware 359 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,750 of what was actually happening. 360 00:18:53,875 --> 00:18:59,833 [music] 361 00:19:08,875 --> 00:19:13,875 The thing that hurt the most was almost immediately after 362 00:19:14,042 --> 00:19:18,458 Dad's funeral, Warren Jeffs contacted us as Dad's daughters 363 00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:22,500 and gave us each individually a message about our dad. 364 00:19:22,667 --> 00:19:25,000 Saying that our dad was a murderer of unborn children 365 00:19:25,208 --> 00:19:27,833 and he was damned to hell, and all this bad [bleep] 366 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,417 about my dad that he didn't have the mother[bleep] balls 367 00:19:31,542 --> 00:19:35,792 to say before my dad died. Then he... 368 00:19:36,625 --> 00:19:39,958 Oh, [bleep]. It makes me so mad. 369 00:19:41,042 --> 00:19:45,833 There was like a slow, growing hatred for Warren in my heart, 370 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,625 towards the end. 371 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:50,500 Like, all he was, was a monster to me. 372 00:19:50,583 --> 00:19:56,583 [music] 373 00:19:57,375 --> 00:20:00,042 It was the top of a mountain in Colorado somewhere. 374 00:20:00,208 --> 00:20:01,708 I don't even know where it was. 375 00:20:01,875 --> 00:20:05,667 But I lived in a little trailer, like, up there all alone 376 00:20:05,792 --> 00:20:08,250 for upwards of two years. 377 00:20:08,375 --> 00:20:11,458 Completely alone, like in total isolation. 378 00:20:11,583 --> 00:20:14,750 He felt like that would be what broke me, 379 00:20:14,917 --> 00:20:17,917 but even that didn't work. 380 00:20:18,042 --> 00:20:21,542 That only gave me the clarity that I needed to actually 381 00:20:21,708 --> 00:20:24,458 separate myself from the religion. 382 00:20:24,625 --> 00:20:27,417 I stuck it out as long as I did in hopes that maybe he would 383 00:20:27,625 --> 00:20:31,167 send me away and let me go be with my mom again. 384 00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:32,792 That's all I wanted. 385 00:20:32,875 --> 00:20:36,583 Because I knew my mom needed me so bad after my dad died. 386 00:20:38,417 --> 00:20:40,917 And I did, I stuck around long enough. 387 00:20:41,042 --> 00:20:42,292 And eventually that happened, 388 00:20:42,417 --> 00:20:44,542 but it was after a lot of [bleep]. 389 00:20:44,625 --> 00:20:49,750 [music] 390 00:20:49,875 --> 00:20:53,458 [Alyshia] I spent a year with my mom, which was my plan. 391 00:20:53,583 --> 00:20:58,042 We needed to have that bonding time. 392 00:20:58,167 --> 00:21:01,125 And I'm so very grateful that I did. 393 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:03,708 And then I knew okay, it's time. 394 00:21:03,875 --> 00:21:07,500 It's time to be true to myself and it's time to start my life. 395 00:21:07,708 --> 00:21:13,583 [music] 396 00:21:16,125 --> 00:21:21,333 Now I'm 29 and I have an adorable little daughter. 397 00:21:21,458 --> 00:21:25,458 And I could not be happier with where I'm at in life now. 398 00:21:26,792 --> 00:21:28,625 [Matt] Do you have a picture? 'Cause I want to see her. 399 00:21:28,750 --> 00:21:29,833 I do. Yes. 400 00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:31,875 Holy cow. 401 00:21:32,042 --> 00:21:33,125 [music] 402 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:35,333 Daughters? 403 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,083 Oh, I have a daughter and I'd do anything for my daughter 404 00:21:39,208 --> 00:21:42,792 just like you will. Beautiful. 405 00:21:42,917 --> 00:21:44,083 Thank you. 406 00:21:44,208 --> 00:21:47,792 [music] 407 00:21:47,917 --> 00:21:52,667 [Alyshia] It makes me very angry when I think about how many 408 00:21:52,792 --> 00:21:55,750 adults there were in the situation. 409 00:21:55,875 --> 00:21:59,625 It doesn't make sense to me why they wouldn't 410 00:21:59,750 --> 00:22:03,458 want to guard and protect the innocence of children. 411 00:22:03,625 --> 00:22:05,667 I don't know what it's gonna take to stop it, 412 00:22:05,833 --> 00:22:08,833 but it definitely needs to [bleep] stop. 413 00:22:08,958 --> 00:22:14,667 [music] 414 00:22:14,792 --> 00:22:19,583 [Matt] We are in Creston, British Columbia. 415 00:22:19,708 --> 00:22:22,167 What I have found in, in doing this investigation 416 00:22:22,333 --> 00:22:26,792 into child brides is so many of these young girls were brought 417 00:22:26,917 --> 00:22:28,667 down from Canada. 418 00:22:28,792 --> 00:22:31,000 And I believe it's because in the US 419 00:22:31,083 --> 00:22:32,875 we don't know who these girls are. 420 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,750 It is easier to hide girls when they have no passports. 421 00:22:35,917 --> 00:22:39,125 They have no birth certificates. They don't have anything. 422 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:42,750 And Alyshia is just one example. 423 00:22:43,708 --> 00:22:47,667 There was a pipeline from Canada to the U.S, 424 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:49,750 where these young girls were brought across the border 425 00:22:49,875 --> 00:22:52,750 to be married off to the older FLDS men. 426 00:22:52,875 --> 00:22:55,000 Specifically Warren. 427 00:22:56,708 --> 00:22:59,958 In Canada, the RCMP was able to bring a lot of these guys 428 00:23:00,083 --> 00:23:04,500 to justice and make arrests and convictions for this 429 00:23:04,625 --> 00:23:06,958 transportation of kids. 430 00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:10,542 I'm on my way to meet Shelley and Terry, 431 00:23:10,708 --> 00:23:12,667 who are the lead investigators. 432 00:23:12,833 --> 00:23:15,000 It'll be really interesting to see what they have to say 433 00:23:15,167 --> 00:23:18,917 because I can learn what we can do as a community 434 00:23:19,042 --> 00:23:22,250 to make this so it doesn't happen anymore. 435 00:23:22,417 --> 00:23:28,500 [music] 436 00:23:32,042 --> 00:23:33,333 -Shelley. Right? -Yes. 437 00:23:33,542 --> 00:23:35,000 -Matt. Hi. -Terry, pleased to meet you. 438 00:23:35,167 --> 00:23:38,500 Nice, nice to meet you guys. Thanks for being here. 439 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:41,708 So are you guys like the FBI? Are you like local guys? 440 00:23:41,875 --> 00:23:46,125 We're all feds, but I was stationed locally so... 441 00:23:46,208 --> 00:23:50,500 My name is Shelley Livingstone. I am a retired police officer. 442 00:23:50,625 --> 00:23:53,167 And I worked with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. 443 00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:56,125 I investigated polygamy within the Creston community 444 00:23:56,292 --> 00:23:58,042 for many years. 445 00:23:58,208 --> 00:24:00,167 My situation is a little bit different than Shelley's. 446 00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:02,167 So our unit was mainly responsible 447 00:24:02,333 --> 00:24:05,167 for homicide investigations, but other serious investigations 448 00:24:05,333 --> 00:24:07,042 also fell to our plate. 449 00:24:07,208 --> 00:24:09,333 My name's Terry Jacklin. I was a sergeant with the 450 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:10,833 Royal Canadian Mounted Police. 451 00:24:10,958 --> 00:24:12,458 I was involved with an investigation in the 452 00:24:12,583 --> 00:24:14,917 community of Creston relating to the FLDS. 453 00:24:15,042 --> 00:24:17,458 And we were looking at different offenses there with respect 454 00:24:17,542 --> 00:24:20,583 to sexual exploitation and polygamy. 455 00:24:20,708 --> 00:24:23,000 [music] 456 00:24:23,167 --> 00:24:25,375 Over time, obviously, we became aware to other 457 00:24:25,458 --> 00:24:27,125 aspects which were happening in the community, 458 00:24:27,208 --> 00:24:28,833 and that was the movement of these girls across the 459 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Canadian-U.S. border into the U.S. for marriage. 460 00:24:32,167 --> 00:24:33,833 Some of them as young as 12. 461 00:24:34,042 --> 00:24:36,750 As a result of the 2008 raid at the YFZ Ranch 462 00:24:36,917 --> 00:24:39,542 in Eldorado, Texas, there was evidence that was seized 463 00:24:39,708 --> 00:24:41,375 that identified that there was these girls. 464 00:24:41,542 --> 00:24:43,000 I think it was that 13 girls were identified 465 00:24:43,125 --> 00:24:45,792 at that particular time that had been taken to the U.S. 466 00:24:45,875 --> 00:24:51,833 [music] 467 00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:05,417 They were going down south to marry much older men. 468 00:25:05,542 --> 00:25:07,875 In some cases, like, 78-year-old men. 469 00:25:08,042 --> 00:25:09,667 [Man] Child Welfare officials had argued kids 470 00:25:09,833 --> 00:25:12,083 on the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado, Texas were in 471 00:25:12,208 --> 00:25:15,333 immediate danger from what investigators believed was 472 00:25:15,458 --> 00:25:17,792 sexual abuse of teenage girls. 473 00:25:17,917 --> 00:25:19,083 The members of the Fundamentalist 474 00:25:19,208 --> 00:25:20,833 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints 475 00:25:20,958 --> 00:25:22,458 deny any abuse. 476 00:25:22,667 --> 00:25:26,167 The BC AG's office received a list of young girls 477 00:25:26,375 --> 00:25:29,542 who had crossed the border from Canada to the U.S, 478 00:25:29,708 --> 00:25:33,958 and in some instances, from the U.S. to Canada. 479 00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:36,750 The list tended to grow rather quickly. 480 00:25:36,875 --> 00:25:39,792 I was being sent more names of some girls that had crossed 481 00:25:39,917 --> 00:25:41,833 the border at a young age. 482 00:25:41,917 --> 00:25:44,167 [music] 483 00:25:44,375 --> 00:25:47,583 Marrying older men in most instances. 484 00:25:47,708 --> 00:25:50,792 And the list grew to 54. 485 00:25:50,875 --> 00:25:53,667 We had been looking to speak with our victims, 486 00:25:53,833 --> 00:25:55,542 to ensure that they were safe. 487 00:25:55,667 --> 00:25:58,042 However, that proved very difficult. 488 00:25:58,125 --> 00:26:00,750 [Terry] These girls, they were nearly impossible to find. 489 00:26:00,917 --> 00:26:03,375 The FLDS have these so-called places called houses of hiding. 490 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:05,875 And they have these ways of moving them around 491 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,208 in these little utility trailers and they're towed behind, 492 00:26:08,333 --> 00:26:09,833 you know, an SUV. 493 00:26:09,875 --> 00:26:11,250 And they go from one place to the next place 494 00:26:11,417 --> 00:26:13,667 in the middle of the night, under the cover of darkness. 495 00:26:13,792 --> 00:26:16,583 And there's such an element of secrecy within the religion, 496 00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:20,000 it's like you speak out, you're excommunicated. 497 00:26:20,167 --> 00:26:21,708 [Shelley] Whoever we spoke to, it seemed that 498 00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:24,667 they were told beforehand, uh, to say nothing. 499 00:26:24,792 --> 00:26:25,958 They were very polite. 500 00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:27,625 But they did just what they were told to do. 501 00:26:27,708 --> 00:26:28,792 They said nothing. 502 00:26:34,708 --> 00:26:36,083 [Terry] Shelley and I went first down to Texas 503 00:26:36,208 --> 00:26:37,458 in December of 2011. 504 00:26:37,583 --> 00:26:39,250 We were going down there to help bring back some 505 00:26:39,375 --> 00:26:41,333 of the evidence that had been seized from the ranch. 506 00:26:41,542 --> 00:26:43,042 What was the evidence? 507 00:26:43,167 --> 00:26:46,833 The priesthood records, which were the records that 508 00:26:46,958 --> 00:26:49,708 Warren Jeffs had dictated to himself, basically 509 00:26:49,875 --> 00:26:51,875 on a recorder, and then he'd have some 510 00:26:52,042 --> 00:26:54,375 of his wives and some of the women within the community 511 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:55,875 transcribe those records. 512 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,917 It was a diary of everything Warren did every day. 513 00:26:59,083 --> 00:27:01,500 He would phone certain people in Canada or communicate 514 00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:03,125 through other people with certain people in Canada 515 00:27:03,250 --> 00:27:05,667 saying, I want you to bring so-and-so down in the next 516 00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:08,167 couple of days and the Lord has revealed to me that so-and-so 517 00:27:08,333 --> 00:27:11,000 is going to be sealed in marriage to whoever. 518 00:27:11,125 --> 00:27:14,125 So you got--you got Warren down there in Short Creek, 519 00:27:14,208 --> 00:27:17,500 calling up here to-- to Bountiful, saying, 520 00:27:17,667 --> 00:27:21,542 I want this girl brought down here to marry me. 521 00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:23,083 And not just marry Warren. 522 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,667 There was other men that were receiving wives as well. 523 00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:27,667 So one of the bishops in Bountiful, his daughter, 524 00:27:27,875 --> 00:27:30,208 who was 15 at the time, was told to go down. 525 00:27:30,375 --> 00:27:32,833 And the thing that was shocking to us was that 11 minutes after 526 00:27:32,958 --> 00:27:35,500 this bishop surrendered his daughter to this marriage, 527 00:27:35,583 --> 00:27:37,667 he received a 15-year-old bride in return. 528 00:27:37,875 --> 00:27:39,583 So it was like a barter system. 529 00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:42,292 See, that's so messed up. 530 00:27:43,208 --> 00:27:46,792 These records were beneficial for us in determining that these 531 00:27:46,917 --> 00:27:49,333 young girls had in fact married these older men, 532 00:27:49,458 --> 00:27:52,000 and we are wanting to prove that these girls had been 533 00:27:52,167 --> 00:27:55,750 taken across the border and were living in the States. 534 00:27:56,875 --> 00:27:58,375 But in order for us to get those records into court, 535 00:27:58,542 --> 00:28:02,375 we had to either obtain the, uh, assistance of the person who was 536 00:28:02,542 --> 00:28:05,958 responsible for those records, which was Warren Jeffs, 537 00:28:06,042 --> 00:28:10,792 or we had to ensure that we did not have his cooperation. 538 00:28:10,958 --> 00:28:15,042 So myself and Terry headed down to Texas to conduct an interview 539 00:28:15,208 --> 00:28:16,833 with Warren Jeffs. 540 00:28:16,958 --> 00:28:22,875 [music] 541 00:28:24,208 --> 00:28:27,333 [Matt] So you're sitting there, and in walks Warren Jeffs. 542 00:28:27,458 --> 00:28:29,958 What's going on in your head? 543 00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:31,833 Geez. Initially, I thought he would be, like, 544 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,500 this powerful man. And he walked in as, 545 00:28:36,625 --> 00:28:40,292 I just wanna say, a mousey guy. 546 00:28:40,417 --> 00:28:45,042 Just his head was down. He shuffled his feet. 547 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:47,083 [Terry] "No answer, thank you" I think was the most common 548 00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:49,458 thing that he said. He was polite. 549 00:28:49,583 --> 00:28:52,792 Um, and then we got to the stage in the interview where he said 550 00:28:52,875 --> 00:28:54,542 that he was done. 551 00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:57,125 But by him not giving us any information, it allowed us to go 552 00:28:57,208 --> 00:28:59,833 to the court when we got into trial here to say that 553 00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:01,792 we've approached the author of these records. 554 00:29:01,917 --> 00:29:04,125 He's unwilling to assist us with our investigation. 555 00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:05,958 And the fact that we had approached the author 556 00:29:06,167 --> 00:29:07,708 and he was unwilling to assist us 557 00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:09,292 allowed it to put him in through the exception 558 00:29:09,375 --> 00:29:11,417 -to the hearsay rule, -That's what we wanted. 559 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:12,708 That was amazing. 560 00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:14,333 In being able to enter these records, 561 00:29:14,458 --> 00:29:18,417 it spelled everything out to the courts and to the judge. 562 00:29:18,542 --> 00:29:21,333 It spelled out how the girls were transported, 563 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:25,125 who they were transported by, who they were being married to. 564 00:29:25,208 --> 00:29:28,917 So, these records were invaluable to us. 565 00:29:29,417 --> 00:29:31,833 Did you find in these missing girls that the family was 566 00:29:31,917 --> 00:29:33,792 supportive and helpful-- helping you guys? 567 00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:35,042 Or were you on your own? 568 00:29:35,208 --> 00:29:36,708 No, we were on our own for the most part. 569 00:29:36,833 --> 00:29:38,083 We were investigating those families 570 00:29:38,208 --> 00:29:39,708 because they took them to the U.S. for the purposes 571 00:29:39,833 --> 00:29:41,792 of those marriages, so we investigated 572 00:29:41,875 --> 00:29:44,042 those families for the offense of a removal 573 00:29:44,208 --> 00:29:46,000 of a child from Canada for a sexual purpose. 574 00:29:46,208 --> 00:29:48,042 And we were successful in prosecuting. 575 00:29:48,250 --> 00:29:50,167 It was the first time in Canadian history 576 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:52,083 that the offense of removal of a child from Canada 577 00:29:52,208 --> 00:29:54,708 for a sexual purpose had ever been prosecuted. 578 00:29:54,875 --> 00:29:56,750 We convicted three persons of that offense. 579 00:29:56,917 --> 00:29:58,042 All three of them went to jail 580 00:29:58,208 --> 00:30:00,333 as a result of those convictions. 581 00:30:00,458 --> 00:30:03,000 [Shelley] Both Terry and I were hoping that we could change 582 00:30:03,083 --> 00:30:05,458 the thoughts of some of the parents within the community, 583 00:30:05,583 --> 00:30:08,500 that maybe that would give them some teeth to tell the prominent 584 00:30:08,708 --> 00:30:12,125 people within the religion that, "I can't--I can't do 585 00:30:12,292 --> 00:30:14,375 "what you're telling me to do because 586 00:30:14,542 --> 00:30:16,250 I could be prosecuted in Canada." 587 00:30:16,375 --> 00:30:18,875 Hopefully, we stopped a few young girls 588 00:30:18,958 --> 00:30:21,667 from going down to the States. 589 00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:25,042 I personally, from a cop in the States, 590 00:30:25,167 --> 00:30:26,500 think you guys did an amazing job. 591 00:30:26,583 --> 00:30:27,958 Thanks, Matt. 592 00:30:28,167 --> 00:30:30,667 I look back at my career and I hope that I affect people 593 00:30:30,833 --> 00:30:33,125 the same way that you guys have affected people. 594 00:30:33,292 --> 00:30:34,792 The more it gets out there, the more these people are 595 00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:37,625 gonna realize here's what the real truths are. 596 00:30:38,083 --> 00:30:39,292 I hope that we've been able to change some lives 597 00:30:39,542 --> 00:30:41,958 and hopefully that some lives may be changed in the future 598 00:30:42,042 --> 00:30:45,292 as a result of me speaking out about it. 599 00:30:45,417 --> 00:30:46,458 You're awesome. 600 00:30:46,542 --> 00:30:47,458 [Shelley] It was a pleasure, Matt. 601 00:30:47,583 --> 00:30:48,375 -Thank you. -Thanks, Matt. 602 00:30:48,542 --> 00:30:49,417 -Thank you. -Thank you. 603 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,792 [Matt] Out of all the conversations I've had, 604 00:30:52,875 --> 00:30:55,750 the child brides has been the hardest, 605 00:30:55,875 --> 00:30:59,000 not only as a father of a daughter, 606 00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:02,042 but as a law enforcement professional 607 00:31:02,208 --> 00:31:07,500 and as a religious person, it is hard for me to have 608 00:31:07,625 --> 00:31:10,917 the realization that there's people out there specifically 609 00:31:11,042 --> 00:31:15,500 hunting, grooming and hurting young kids. 610 00:31:15,542 --> 00:31:19,083 [music] 611 00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:26,375 [music] 612 00:31:26,542 --> 00:31:29,833 [Matt] Warren Jeffs is in prison for the rest of his life. 613 00:31:29,958 --> 00:31:32,167 Because he's in prison, 614 00:31:32,292 --> 00:31:35,208 there has been a split within the FLDS Church. 615 00:31:35,375 --> 00:31:37,542 You have those who still follow Warren, 616 00:31:37,708 --> 00:31:41,208 who believe that he will step foot out of the prison 617 00:31:41,375 --> 00:31:44,208 and come and conquer and reign and rule 618 00:31:44,375 --> 00:31:47,333 almost like the second coming of Christ. 619 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:50,833 But then there are those who are still searching for a leader 620 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,250 and a prophet, 621 00:31:52,375 --> 00:31:54,333 somebody who can guide them in their everyday lives. 622 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:58,167 And in 2020, a guy named Sam Bateman 623 00:31:58,292 --> 00:32:01,083 just popped up and declared himself a prophet. 624 00:32:01,708 --> 00:32:02,917 [Sam] Warren's not in prison. 625 00:32:03,083 --> 00:32:05,167 Everybody thinks he is, but he's not. 626 00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:08,542 My firm belief is that he's not in this life. 627 00:32:10,083 --> 00:32:13,833 Sam Bateman and Warren Jeffs have a lot of things in common, 628 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000 but the two prominent things they have in common 629 00:32:16,125 --> 00:32:18,792 is they both like young brides. 630 00:32:18,917 --> 00:32:24,167 And they're both now in custody in a prison and jail facility. 631 00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:27,417 I'm on my way to meet with a young girl named Dollie. 632 00:32:27,542 --> 00:32:29,583 She doesn't want me to use her last name. 633 00:32:29,708 --> 00:32:31,208 She's ex-FLDS. 634 00:32:31,417 --> 00:32:35,583 And she can tell us more about these underage marriages. 635 00:32:35,708 --> 00:32:38,167 Dollie is 19 years old. 636 00:32:38,292 --> 00:32:42,083 She left the FLDS group in 2021. 637 00:32:42,208 --> 00:32:44,500 And most of her family is still in it. 638 00:32:44,625 --> 00:32:49,333 [music] 639 00:32:51,625 --> 00:32:53,833 [Matt] Dollie has two sisters that were married off 640 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,500 to Sam Bateman when they were children. 641 00:32:56,708 --> 00:33:00,333 I need to find out what it is that we can do to stop this, 642 00:33:00,458 --> 00:33:03,333 prevent it from happening again, and how I can help out. 643 00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:06,292 [Policeman] Put your hands behind your back. 644 00:33:06,458 --> 00:33:10,042 [Matt] Just getting Dollie's story out is going to help 645 00:33:10,208 --> 00:33:13,083 so we can stop the cycle of these false prophets 646 00:33:13,292 --> 00:33:15,083 that are just proclaiming their leadership 647 00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:16,708 just to get these young girls. 648 00:33:17,583 --> 00:33:19,750 Dollie wants to talk and just bare it all. 649 00:33:19,875 --> 00:33:21,833 And not hold anything back. 650 00:33:22,042 --> 00:33:28,083 [music] 651 00:33:35,208 --> 00:33:37,083 -What's up, Dollie? -What's up? 652 00:33:37,208 --> 00:33:38,542 -How are you? -Good. How are you? 653 00:33:38,708 --> 00:33:41,167 I'm--I'm good. Thank you for meeting with me. 654 00:33:41,292 --> 00:33:43,500 I think it's awesome, super cool. 655 00:33:43,708 --> 00:33:47,250 But--but I gotta ask why-- why are you even talking to me? 656 00:33:47,417 --> 00:33:49,167 Uh, honestly, at first I didn't want to 657 00:33:49,333 --> 00:33:54,625 because I still have people in, in the religion that still 658 00:33:54,708 --> 00:33:58,750 love the prophet, and I have a lot of respect for them. 659 00:33:58,875 --> 00:34:01,417 And I love them, and I don't want to hurt their feelings. 660 00:34:02,792 --> 00:34:04,708 My name is Dollie. I'm 19 years old. 661 00:34:04,875 --> 00:34:07,833 And I grew up in the FLDS. 662 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,708 My dad had one wife. 663 00:34:09,833 --> 00:34:12,917 And my mom and dad had seven kids, 664 00:34:13,042 --> 00:34:15,375 four boys and three girls. 665 00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:17,417 Did you believe that Warren was your prophet back then? 666 00:34:17,542 --> 00:34:19,167 Yeah, a hundred percent. 667 00:34:19,292 --> 00:34:21,292 -You were all in? -Yeah. 668 00:34:21,417 --> 00:34:24,250 We all were under Warren Jeffs. Like, there was pictures 669 00:34:24,375 --> 00:34:25,833 on the wall and we were doing everything 670 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,833 that he told us to do. 671 00:34:27,917 --> 00:34:30,833 And what finally made you realize that Warren Jeffs 672 00:34:30,958 --> 00:34:32,083 wasn't your prophet? 673 00:34:32,208 --> 00:34:34,500 Growing up, they made it sound like 674 00:34:34,625 --> 00:34:37,667 it was something that we wanted to do, 675 00:34:37,833 --> 00:34:40,250 but after I realized it was something I didn't want to do 676 00:34:40,417 --> 00:34:44,417 and they were constantly trying to convince me of that. 677 00:34:44,542 --> 00:34:47,167 Is they the church or your--your parents? 678 00:34:47,292 --> 00:34:52,167 They is the church and my parents. 679 00:34:53,375 --> 00:34:55,917 I could say honestly, I wanted to leave the religion 680 00:34:56,042 --> 00:34:57,458 when I was 10. 681 00:34:57,625 --> 00:35:00,167 I wrote on this piece of paper and put it on Mom's wall. 682 00:35:00,292 --> 00:35:03,292 And I said--it said, uh, "I wanna be apostate. 683 00:35:03,375 --> 00:35:05,042 "I want to dress how I want. 684 00:35:05,167 --> 00:35:09,292 And I want to think how I want and do what I want." 685 00:35:09,375 --> 00:35:13,833 [music] 686 00:35:15,333 --> 00:35:17,708 So how did this whole Sam thing start? 687 00:35:17,875 --> 00:35:22,833 So, uh, Dad talked my mom into doing--into doing it 688 00:35:22,917 --> 00:35:25,417 over the course of about a year. 689 00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:28,250 -Into joining Sam's group? -Yeah. 690 00:35:28,417 --> 00:35:32,333 I was 16 when Sam was introduced to my family. 691 00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:37,333 And my mom somehow ended up getting married to Sam. 692 00:35:38,208 --> 00:35:40,292 And my dad found someone else. 693 00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:45,750 What is it about a guy like Sam Bateman 694 00:35:45,875 --> 00:35:50,292 that would make your mom and your dad and your uncles... 695 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:51,958 Right? Your uncles are part of it, too? 696 00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:53,458 Mm-hmm. 697 00:35:53,583 --> 00:35:55,417 Basically, your whole family wanna be part of that? 698 00:35:55,542 --> 00:35:59,625 What--what was it about Sam that he could do that? 699 00:35:59,708 --> 00:36:02,333 They kind of act like he would've been kind of like 700 00:36:02,542 --> 00:36:07,667 Jesus to where a lot of people misunderstood him 701 00:36:07,833 --> 00:36:11,750 and his ways of doing things. 702 00:36:11,917 --> 00:36:14,667 I don't know. Mom definitely talked to--talked about him 703 00:36:14,792 --> 00:36:17,667 like he was a Jesus. 704 00:36:17,792 --> 00:36:19,292 What would she say? 705 00:36:19,417 --> 00:36:22,750 She just-- he was everything to her. 706 00:36:22,917 --> 00:36:25,250 Really? 707 00:36:25,375 --> 00:36:27,083 After mom went through all this Sam stuff, 708 00:36:27,208 --> 00:36:30,708 she came and worked at the dairy up in Pereguna 709 00:36:30,875 --> 00:36:34,000 where I was working for about three months. 710 00:36:34,125 --> 00:36:36,500 -This is after Sam was arrested? -No. 711 00:36:36,625 --> 00:36:38,167 -Before? -This was before. 712 00:36:38,292 --> 00:36:39,833 About a year before. And the whole time 713 00:36:39,958 --> 00:36:43,417 she was trying to talk me into doing what she's doing. 714 00:36:43,542 --> 00:36:47,833 Every day she would try to pressure me into joining. 715 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,083 And one day, she told me, 716 00:36:51,208 --> 00:36:54,500 not in these exact words, but she basically said, 717 00:36:54,708 --> 00:36:59,208 if you do not join, the people you love will die. 718 00:36:59,333 --> 00:37:01,500 I just told her, 719 00:37:01,708 --> 00:37:04,333 I wanted nothing to do with her god. 720 00:37:04,458 --> 00:37:06,917 Our gods are not the same. 721 00:37:09,375 --> 00:37:11,167 And you--you heard that your younger siblings 722 00:37:11,292 --> 00:37:13,833 -were married to Sam? -Yes. 723 00:37:13,958 --> 00:37:18,667 So how do you feel about your sisters being married? 724 00:37:18,875 --> 00:37:23,583 I don't like it, but I couldn't do anything about it. 725 00:37:25,542 --> 00:37:28,250 Another thing is, like, Mom, I know she wouldn't do something 726 00:37:28,375 --> 00:37:32,625 if... she knew it hurt the children 727 00:37:32,708 --> 00:37:34,667 unless she felt like there was a reason, 728 00:37:34,875 --> 00:37:38,292 unless she was being... 729 00:37:38,625 --> 00:37:40,875 I don't know, unless she felt like it was... 730 00:37:41,875 --> 00:37:43,708 religious. 731 00:37:43,875 --> 00:37:48,125 So if religion backs up the reasoning, she's okay with it? 732 00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:49,500 -So if-- -I feel like that, 733 00:37:49,708 --> 00:37:51,083 but it's hard to say because I don't--I don't want 734 00:37:51,208 --> 00:37:53,833 to accept that because... 735 00:37:53,917 --> 00:37:58,333 it hurts that my mom actually let that happen. 736 00:37:59,042 --> 00:38:01,917 I don't know when they officially became Sam's brides, 737 00:38:02,042 --> 00:38:04,458 but they did. 738 00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:08,667 I didn't hear about this until after Sam was arrested. 739 00:38:08,833 --> 00:38:11,333 And I can only hope that he hasn't 740 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,000 destroyed their lives forever. 741 00:38:20,042 --> 00:38:22,625 Your dad listened to Sam and all these different things, 742 00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:26,750 and he had the decision on what to do just like your mom. 743 00:38:26,875 --> 00:38:29,208 The unfortunate thing about this whole thing 744 00:38:29,375 --> 00:38:32,333 is that the younger siblings, 745 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,917 they had zero choice. 746 00:38:36,042 --> 00:38:41,667 [Dollie] Children do not have the capability to understand 747 00:38:41,875 --> 00:38:43,500 what was going on. 748 00:38:43,667 --> 00:38:47,917 I have no clue if they consummated the marriage, 749 00:38:48,042 --> 00:38:51,500 but I can only hope and pray to God that they didn't. 750 00:38:51,667 --> 00:38:54,292 There is a lot that can be said about Sam Bateman. 751 00:38:54,417 --> 00:38:57,125 I mean, there's, of course, he hasn't gone to trial. 752 00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:59,333 What he has been charged with, he hasn't been acquitted. 753 00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:01,167 He hasn't been convicted. 754 00:39:01,250 --> 00:39:03,000 We're still waiting for that to play out. 755 00:39:03,125 --> 00:39:09,292 [music] 756 00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:14,875 But when I was talking to this friend of mine 757 00:39:15,042 --> 00:39:16,625 that was with the FBI, 758 00:39:16,708 --> 00:39:20,167 he couldn't even finish the story about Sam Bateman 759 00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:21,833 -without-- -He's too disgusted? 760 00:39:21,958 --> 00:39:23,792 Without breaking down. 761 00:39:23,917 --> 00:39:26,000 And he's been in law enforcement for a long time, 762 00:39:26,167 --> 00:39:28,833 but he could not finish. 763 00:39:28,958 --> 00:39:31,333 And what-- what does that do to you? 764 00:39:31,458 --> 00:39:34,875 It kills me inside. 765 00:39:36,625 --> 00:39:39,500 Kinda just takes a chunk out of my heart, you know? 766 00:39:39,667 --> 00:39:43,542 Our conversation here is showing how Sam destroyed 767 00:39:43,708 --> 00:39:48,083 not just your life, but the life of your family 768 00:39:48,208 --> 00:39:51,625 and the life of--of who knows how many people around him. 769 00:39:55,167 --> 00:39:57,042 It's just messed up. 770 00:39:57,167 --> 00:39:59,625 Why do people like that exist? 771 00:39:59,792 --> 00:40:05,625 [music] 772 00:40:35,583 --> 00:40:37,292 Your father and mother should be protecting you 773 00:40:37,417 --> 00:40:39,833 and loving you and being there for you, 774 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,667 not pressuring you into doing things 775 00:40:41,792 --> 00:40:44,417 that you don't want to do and you know that are wrong. 776 00:40:45,708 --> 00:40:48,958 It's so unfair and just disgusting. 777 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,417 Bad decisions have bad consequences. 778 00:40:56,875 --> 00:41:00,667 I really wish that I could be there for my sisters. 779 00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:06,500 [music] 780 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,417 You know, you-- you did nothing wrong. 781 00:41:11,292 --> 00:41:13,292 You did nothing wrong. 782 00:41:14,042 --> 00:41:16,833 You have no say in other people's decisions. 783 00:41:18,708 --> 00:41:20,667 You can only just do things for you. And you did that. 784 00:41:20,833 --> 00:41:22,708 You did you. 785 00:41:23,375 --> 00:41:26,917 I think you're amazing for 19 years old to be where you're at, 786 00:41:27,042 --> 00:41:30,292 to have gone through everything you've gone through. 787 00:41:30,375 --> 00:41:31,833 You're claiming the survivor role 788 00:41:31,917 --> 00:41:34,750 and wanting to help get other people to understand 789 00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:38,583 what's going on, because that's the only way we get help, right? 790 00:41:38,708 --> 00:41:41,000 Isn't that pretty powerful? 791 00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:43,958 That's really powerful. 792 00:41:45,667 --> 00:41:49,583 My goal is to let my sisters know that I am here for them, 793 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:53,458 even though I can't be physically, 794 00:41:53,625 --> 00:41:57,208 but kind of trying to be their voice. 795 00:41:57,667 --> 00:41:59,333 I'm doing this interview because I'm hoping that 796 00:41:59,458 --> 00:42:02,042 it can help my little sisters 797 00:42:02,125 --> 00:42:05,958 and any other girl that feels like that they 798 00:42:06,042 --> 00:42:10,667 don't want to do something, but they don't know how to say it. 799 00:42:10,958 --> 00:42:13,167 I want them to know that they're not alone. 800 00:42:15,417 --> 00:42:19,708 My hope for the future is that I can... 801 00:42:20,292 --> 00:42:22,292 see my little sisters 802 00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:24,667 and be with them again. 803 00:42:24,792 --> 00:42:28,167 Live a life with them. Be a good sister to them. 804 00:42:29,958 --> 00:42:32,583 Nice to meet you and see you. 805 00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:34,542 I think the journey that we've all been on together 806 00:42:34,708 --> 00:42:37,625 through this whole thing is the simple journey of 807 00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:41,417 history repeats itself. Warren Jeffs, now Sam Bateman. 808 00:42:41,542 --> 00:42:44,042 If we don't do anything, it's going to continue 809 00:42:44,167 --> 00:42:45,875 to repeat itself. 810 00:42:46,042 --> 00:42:49,500 We want our kids to grow up and be successful and strong 811 00:42:49,708 --> 00:42:51,292 and make decisions for themselves 812 00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:55,583 and not be told who they're gonna marry at nine years old. 813 00:42:55,708 --> 00:42:57,667 Of course, as law enforcement needs to get involved, 814 00:42:57,750 --> 00:43:00,625 but this is a society, we need to stand up and say, 815 00:43:00,792 --> 00:43:02,792 "This cannot happen."