1 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:13,747 -A 23-year-old woman whom Mexican-American teenagers 2 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:15,782 in this country compared to Madonna was shot and killed... 3 00:00:15,815 --> 00:00:17,617 -Selena was fatally wounded today 4 00:00:17,650 --> 00:00:19,119 at a Days Inn just before... 5 00:00:19,152 --> 00:00:21,254 -Police say she was gunned down in a Texas motel 6 00:00:21,287 --> 00:00:23,289 by a fan, Yolanda Saldívar. 7 00:00:23,323 --> 00:00:26,693 -Did Yolanda Saldívar plan to kill Selena on that day? 8 00:00:26,726 --> 00:00:28,361 Yes. 9 00:00:28,395 --> 00:00:30,196 -The defense said it will show 10 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:32,098 the March killing was an accident. 11 00:00:32,132 --> 00:00:35,101 -Yolanda was sentenced to life in prison with the contingency 12 00:00:35,135 --> 00:00:38,238 if she served out 30 years, she could be up for parole. 13 00:00:38,271 --> 00:00:41,207 We're about to come up on that date. 14 00:00:41,241 --> 00:00:44,878 -We are putting together the pieces of this puzzle 15 00:00:44,911 --> 00:00:46,980 so that we can show the public 16 00:00:47,013 --> 00:00:50,950 that there is more to the story than what they have been told. 17 00:00:50,984 --> 00:00:53,787 -Like every case, there's always unanswered questions, 18 00:00:53,820 --> 00:00:57,991 questions like, why did she buy the gun? 19 00:00:58,024 --> 00:01:00,760 -I'm responsible for -- for buying the gun. 20 00:01:00,794 --> 00:01:04,664 There was never any intention to do her any harm. 21 00:01:04,698 --> 00:01:07,233 But I had fear. I was scared. 22 00:01:07,267 --> 00:01:10,503 I was frightened by Abraham. 23 00:01:10,537 --> 00:01:13,640 -Why would Abraham want to threaten Yolanda? 24 00:01:13,673 --> 00:01:15,842 -He knew I knew her secrets. 25 00:01:15,875 --> 00:01:17,977 And he wanted me to reveal them to him. 26 00:01:18,078 --> 00:01:20,513 And I would not betray her on that. 27 00:01:20,547 --> 00:01:22,515 -There's this doctor's secret. Do you wanna go through that? 28 00:01:22,549 --> 00:01:24,351 -Yeah. What is that? 29 00:01:24,384 --> 00:01:25,919 -It's a secret love letter. 30 00:01:25,952 --> 00:01:30,090 -If this is true, then what else could be true? 31 00:01:31,491 --> 00:01:33,360 -My tires were slashed. 32 00:01:33,393 --> 00:01:36,363 My brakes were cut. I'd been assaulted. 33 00:01:36,396 --> 00:01:40,834 -What's clear is Yolanda was in a paranoid state of mind. 34 00:01:40,867 --> 00:01:42,202 -Nothing like that ever happened. 35 00:01:42,235 --> 00:01:44,904 There's no proof other than her word. 36 00:01:49,909 --> 00:01:53,480 -How that gun went off, we can speculate all we want. 37 00:01:53,513 --> 00:01:55,115 Yolanda was there. 38 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:59,686 She'll give you her story, but is that the story? 39 00:02:02,922 --> 00:02:12,899 ** 40 00:02:12,932 --> 00:02:22,909 ** 41 00:02:22,942 --> 00:02:32,919 ** 42 00:02:32,952 --> 00:02:42,929 ** 43 00:02:42,962 --> 00:02:50,537 ** 44 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:54,274 ** 45 00:02:54,307 --> 00:02:58,611 -In the days leading up to the shooting on the 31st, 46 00:02:58,645 --> 00:03:00,714 you really, really have to examine, 47 00:03:00,747 --> 00:03:05,352 like, what was going on between Selena and Yolanda 48 00:03:05,385 --> 00:03:08,221 and everything that was going on around them. 49 00:03:08,254 --> 00:03:11,124 -You have to be aware of what was going on 50 00:03:11,157 --> 00:03:12,859 in Yolanda's mind at the time. 51 00:03:12,892 --> 00:03:14,894 Her world was ending. 52 00:03:14,928 --> 00:03:16,730 Everything was closing in on her. 53 00:03:16,763 --> 00:03:19,265 And then all of a sudden, Selena's dead. 54 00:03:27,741 --> 00:03:29,676 -Who's threatening you? 55 00:03:35,682 --> 00:03:37,083 [ Button clicks ] 56 00:03:38,585 --> 00:03:43,923 -She's saying these things about Selena's father, 57 00:03:43,957 --> 00:03:47,494 which makes you raise an eyebrow to that because, okay, 58 00:03:47,527 --> 00:03:53,266 how -- how does Selena's father play a role in all of this? 59 00:03:53,299 --> 00:03:57,771 -It was very clear that Abraham was a dark figure 60 00:03:57,804 --> 00:04:01,041 as far as Yolanda was concerned. 61 00:04:01,041 --> 00:04:04,644 "I didn't do it. He made me do it." 62 00:04:04,678 --> 00:04:07,781 But why would Abraham go after Yolanda? 63 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:13,820 -What Selena was doing in the last year of her life, 64 00:04:13,853 --> 00:04:17,924 to me, that's the story of where she was gonna go. 65 00:04:17,957 --> 00:04:20,694 She has more agency. She's a married woman. 66 00:04:20,727 --> 00:04:22,495 She's starting a new business. 67 00:04:22,529 --> 00:04:26,366 Everything is lining up to be the future of Selena 68 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:29,069 as she is telling it, as she is dictating it. 69 00:04:29,069 --> 00:04:30,837 -It's like a dream come true. 70 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:32,939 I mean, there's been a lot of hard work that we put into it, 71 00:04:32,972 --> 00:04:34,641 but when you get hard work, you get success, 72 00:04:34,674 --> 00:04:36,109 and we put a lot of years into it -- 73 00:04:36,142 --> 00:04:37,644 12 years now -- and we're really happy. 74 00:04:37,677 --> 00:04:39,179 Never thought we'd get this far, but... 75 00:04:39,212 --> 00:04:41,314 -Selena had signed a deal. 76 00:04:41,348 --> 00:04:44,617 EMI Latin wanted to cross her over into the mainstream, 77 00:04:44,651 --> 00:04:46,386 singing in English. 78 00:04:46,419 --> 00:04:48,555 This was gonna go global. 79 00:04:48,588 --> 00:04:52,625 Abraham was her manager and her father. 80 00:04:52,659 --> 00:04:56,830 You know, that was his deal, and it was about to break big, 81 00:04:56,863 --> 00:05:00,200 but Selena's dream was to do these things 82 00:05:00,233 --> 00:05:03,803 outside of her family, beyond Abe. 83 00:05:05,338 --> 00:05:08,475 Yolanda's involvement with Selena in the boutique 84 00:05:08,508 --> 00:05:13,413 and the fashion lines did not sit well with Abe 85 00:05:13,446 --> 00:05:15,515 because so much was happening 86 00:05:15,548 --> 00:05:19,252 and he was trying to hold on to the music end. 87 00:05:19,285 --> 00:05:20,854 -Selena and Yolanda, 88 00:05:20,887 --> 00:05:23,590 like, they were expanding the boutique business 89 00:05:23,623 --> 00:05:25,258 and Selena's design business, 90 00:05:25,291 --> 00:05:29,329 trying to find a, uh, place where the clothes 91 00:05:29,362 --> 00:05:32,265 could be manufactured in -- in Mexico, right? 92 00:05:32,298 --> 00:05:35,068 And then finding a storefront in Mexico. 93 00:05:37,103 --> 00:05:39,839 -Yolanda and Selena had traveled to Monterrey 94 00:05:39,873 --> 00:05:42,542 in the past, uh, frequently. 95 00:05:42,575 --> 00:05:45,879 trying to work at getting a fashion line started. 96 00:05:47,547 --> 00:05:51,084 -This looks like plane tickets. 97 00:05:51,084 --> 00:05:52,686 -Let me see. 98 00:05:52,719 --> 00:05:56,389 Although Abraham, you know, tried to fire Yolanda 99 00:05:56,423 --> 00:05:58,291 at that March 9th meeting, 100 00:05:58,324 --> 00:06:01,461 Selena and Yolanda continued their business relationship, 101 00:06:01,494 --> 00:06:02,896 their friendship. 102 00:06:02,929 --> 00:06:05,131 They continued still seeing each other. 103 00:06:05,165 --> 00:06:08,134 And we know this because we've got the plane tickets. 104 00:06:08,168 --> 00:06:10,570 Oh, so lookit -- lookit here. 105 00:06:10,603 --> 00:06:15,475 So, International Airport of Houston, IAH, to Monterrey. 106 00:06:15,508 --> 00:06:18,645 And this was on...March 17th. 107 00:06:18,678 --> 00:06:19,879 There's two tickets. 108 00:06:19,913 --> 00:06:21,314 One's Yolanda's. 109 00:06:21,348 --> 00:06:23,149 The other one's Selena's. -Okay. 110 00:06:23,183 --> 00:06:28,788 -So they both flew on the same flight on March 17th 111 00:06:28,822 --> 00:06:31,324 from Houston to Monterrey. 112 00:06:31,358 --> 00:06:33,660 So how interesting is that? -Yeah. 113 00:06:33,693 --> 00:06:35,595 If she was embezzling money 114 00:06:35,628 --> 00:06:39,099 and they had that conversation, during that meeting, 115 00:06:39,132 --> 00:06:43,069 why would she fly with her to another country? 116 00:06:43,103 --> 00:06:44,938 -Yeah. Why continue? -Why continue? 117 00:06:44,971 --> 00:06:46,439 Correct. Like, why -- -Yeah. 118 00:06:46,473 --> 00:06:48,108 Like, why -- why continue that relationship? 119 00:06:48,141 --> 00:06:49,809 -Yes. 120 00:06:49,843 --> 00:06:51,945 -I quit with her. 121 00:06:51,978 --> 00:06:54,614 I had sent her my letter of resignation. 122 00:06:54,647 --> 00:06:56,182 And she wouldn't accept it. 123 00:06:56,216 --> 00:06:58,351 She was, "You will not quit. 124 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:01,021 Who's gonna handle my -- my businesses in Monterrey?" 125 00:07:01,054 --> 00:07:04,657 'Cause in Monterrey, the business was already blooming. 126 00:07:04,691 --> 00:07:07,861 And, um, she said, "You will not leave me with all of this. 127 00:07:07,894 --> 00:07:09,362 I can't handle all this. 128 00:07:09,396 --> 00:07:11,698 Remember, you pledged your loyalty to me." 129 00:07:11,731 --> 00:07:13,933 And she convinced me to go. 130 00:07:15,535 --> 00:07:18,271 -Monterrey is like this -- this wild card. 131 00:07:18,304 --> 00:07:20,874 But there was more to this story. 132 00:07:20,907 --> 00:07:22,876 There was this figure Dr. Martinez, 133 00:07:22,909 --> 00:07:25,145 Dr. Ricardo Martinez, 134 00:07:25,178 --> 00:07:28,048 who is a plastic surgeon in Monterrey. 135 00:07:28,081 --> 00:07:31,384 He was kind of an elder, almost a father figure, 136 00:07:31,418 --> 00:07:37,057 but a refined, elegant, very, uh, Mexican gentleman. 137 00:07:37,090 --> 00:07:39,559 And Selena really liked him, looked up to him, 138 00:07:39,592 --> 00:07:41,394 and he was kind of a mentor. 139 00:07:41,428 --> 00:07:44,064 -Dr. Martinez was introduced to me 140 00:07:44,064 --> 00:07:46,566 and the whole group of employees 141 00:07:46,599 --> 00:07:49,636 as our Mexico investor, 142 00:07:49,669 --> 00:07:53,406 somebody that was helping us, um, expand the business. 143 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,209 And then, all of a sudden, Yolanda and Selena 144 00:07:56,242 --> 00:08:01,681 were going to go stay over at Dr. Martinez's apartment. 145 00:08:01,715 --> 00:08:05,518 And so I thought that was a little strange. 146 00:08:05,552 --> 00:08:07,087 -During the trial, 147 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,191 I started hearing about, Selena's got a secret. 148 00:08:11,224 --> 00:08:15,495 Yolanda Saldívar, she had one more card to play. 149 00:08:15,528 --> 00:08:17,197 "Well, you know, you've heard all my stories, 150 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:19,599 but you haven't heard about the secret." 151 00:08:19,632 --> 00:08:24,204 -I had an inkling that something more 152 00:08:24,237 --> 00:08:29,376 than just him being an investor, uh, was going on. 153 00:08:31,044 --> 00:08:36,082 -Dr. Martinez was a plastic surgeon in Monterrey, Mexico. 154 00:08:36,116 --> 00:08:38,284 And somehow, she told me 155 00:08:38,318 --> 00:08:41,921 that her father introduced the doctor to Selena. 156 00:08:41,955 --> 00:08:44,524 She told me it was love at first sight. 157 00:08:44,557 --> 00:08:46,126 And then I saw them, 158 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:47,527 and they were holding hands and they were kissing. 159 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:50,964 And -- And so that made me so uncomfortable 160 00:08:51,064 --> 00:08:53,867 because there's Chris at home. 161 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:55,535 And I'm here with you. 162 00:08:55,568 --> 00:08:58,271 And -- And what is your family going to say about me? 163 00:08:58,304 --> 00:09:01,007 I mean, I'm already deep into it. 164 00:09:02,776 --> 00:09:05,145 -The fact that Selena may have had an affair 165 00:09:05,178 --> 00:09:07,580 with a doctor in Monterrey, 166 00:09:07,614 --> 00:09:10,717 Yolanda Saldívar was saying that she had found out about this. 167 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:16,156 And I don't think I've ever listened to what she said, um, 168 00:09:16,189 --> 00:09:18,491 and believed what she was talking about. 169 00:09:18,525 --> 00:09:20,427 I think most people would -- would agree 170 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:24,497 that the stories she was telling were -- were not true. 171 00:09:24,531 --> 00:09:26,499 [ Crowd cheering ] 172 00:09:26,533 --> 00:09:30,170 -Everybody was like, "No, Selena didn't have an affair." 173 00:09:30,203 --> 00:09:34,641 Even the doctor said, "No, I did not have an affair." 174 00:09:45,819 --> 00:09:48,488 -We deposed the doctor to ask him questions 175 00:09:48,521 --> 00:09:52,325 because the defense wanted to use his testimony at trial. 176 00:09:52,359 --> 00:09:54,527 I asked him about his relationship with Selena, 177 00:09:54,561 --> 00:09:57,797 and he said his relationship was a business relationship. 178 00:09:57,831 --> 00:10:00,100 He was helping her set up the business 179 00:10:00,133 --> 00:10:01,835 to make the clothes in -- in Monterrey. 180 00:10:01,868 --> 00:10:06,206 And that was the extent of his involvement with Selena. 181 00:10:06,239 --> 00:10:09,109 -The relationship was just blooming. 182 00:10:09,142 --> 00:10:11,144 She was so madly in love with him. 183 00:10:11,177 --> 00:10:13,546 And I saw that. 184 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:16,116 I was in the middle of a marriage, 185 00:10:16,149 --> 00:10:20,053 trying you help her cover it up. 186 00:10:20,086 --> 00:10:25,358 ** 187 00:10:25,392 --> 00:10:28,862 -There's this doctor's secret. Do you wanna go through that? 188 00:10:28,895 --> 00:10:30,296 -Yeah. What is that? 189 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:32,198 -I have no idea. 190 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,238 -It just says "Doctor's secrets." 191 00:10:38,271 --> 00:10:41,374 Elida wrote this and put it in here. 192 00:10:41,408 --> 00:10:44,477 I'm assuming it refers to Dr. Martinez. 193 00:10:44,511 --> 00:10:45,979 -Yeah. 194 00:10:46,012 --> 00:10:49,315 -And so in there lies this little, little -- 195 00:10:49,349 --> 00:10:51,685 It's like -- I don't even know what this is. 196 00:10:51,718 --> 00:10:53,520 It's like a cover of -- It's like -- 197 00:10:53,553 --> 00:10:55,188 I don't know what it is. -Yeah. 198 00:10:55,221 --> 00:10:57,724 -It's just -- but it says, "Tu iluminas." 199 00:10:57,757 --> 00:10:59,225 So, "You light up." 200 00:10:59,259 --> 00:11:03,396 And then, "My life," "mi vida." 201 00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:09,369 In it, it says, "Selena, te quiero. 202 00:11:09,402 --> 00:11:15,108 Tu amigo por siempre, Ricardo." 203 00:11:15,141 --> 00:11:17,077 -It's a secret love letter. 204 00:11:17,077 --> 00:11:18,945 -It's just -- Yeah. -It's a little note. 205 00:11:18,978 --> 00:11:21,715 -I don't know if this really is from him, 206 00:11:21,748 --> 00:11:24,784 but I know if I were a married woman 207 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:29,089 and some friend of mine gave me, "You light up my life"... 208 00:11:29,089 --> 00:11:30,623 -Yeah. 209 00:11:30,657 --> 00:11:32,926 -...it would be very questionable to my husband. 210 00:11:34,260 --> 00:11:36,930 -I-I did a lot of lying. 211 00:11:38,798 --> 00:11:42,235 I did a lot of... 212 00:11:42,268 --> 00:11:45,638 uh, maneuvering. 213 00:11:45,672 --> 00:11:47,407 And I'm thinking, "Oh, I'm helping her." 214 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,609 No, you're not helping her. 215 00:11:51,444 --> 00:11:53,713 -Like, people already made up their minds, right? 216 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:56,583 "Yolanda's a liar. She lies." 217 00:11:56,616 --> 00:11:58,785 And then come to find out, 218 00:11:58,818 --> 00:12:02,255 by the doctor's own admission, it was happening. 219 00:12:02,288 --> 00:12:03,957 It did happen. 220 00:12:53,907 --> 00:12:56,142 This thing that she's been saying 221 00:12:56,176 --> 00:12:59,946 since the beginning is true. 222 00:13:00,046 --> 00:13:04,517 And if this is true, then what else could be true? 223 00:13:10,056 --> 00:13:12,659 -Abraham, he started noticing that Selena 224 00:13:12,692 --> 00:13:18,465 was occupying a lot of her time to her businesses. 225 00:13:18,498 --> 00:13:20,667 He started getting angry about that 226 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:25,405 because it was conflicting with her recording, 227 00:13:25,438 --> 00:13:27,507 her career as a singer. 228 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:29,309 That was his baby. 229 00:13:29,342 --> 00:13:30,744 He wanted to control her time. 230 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:32,545 He wanted to control her whereabouts. 231 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:35,682 And she was not going to have none of that. 232 00:13:35,715 --> 00:13:38,385 So he kept asking me, "What is she doing? 233 00:13:38,418 --> 00:13:40,854 Where is she at?" And I couldn't tell him 234 00:13:40,887 --> 00:13:44,090 because I was more loyal to her than to him, 235 00:13:44,124 --> 00:13:48,728 and when I would not, anger started coming my way. 236 00:14:03,743 --> 00:14:06,880 -She says a lot of things over the course of the tapes 237 00:14:06,913 --> 00:14:11,451 that sometimes don't make much sense, 238 00:14:11,484 --> 00:14:14,554 that are clearly being said 239 00:14:14,587 --> 00:14:16,523 when she's in a heightened emotional state, 240 00:14:16,556 --> 00:14:19,059 when she's literally hysterical. 241 00:14:19,059 --> 00:14:22,362 And so when the alleged threats from Abraham start coming in, 242 00:14:22,395 --> 00:14:24,964 it is hard to take it at face value. 243 00:14:25,065 --> 00:14:26,733 In the context of everything else, 244 00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:28,401 I would have a very hard time 245 00:14:28,435 --> 00:14:30,937 believing that her allegations were true. 246 00:14:30,970 --> 00:14:32,605 -Abraham's a little rough around the edges. 247 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:34,574 I mean, I'm not going to lie to that. 248 00:14:34,607 --> 00:14:37,610 He was very fiercely protective of his family, 249 00:14:37,644 --> 00:14:39,245 but do you have anybody else that said 250 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,881 that Abraham was mean to her and intimidated her, 251 00:14:41,915 --> 00:14:44,384 or do you have that just from her mouth? 252 00:14:45,952 --> 00:14:49,689 -Some, uh, incidents happened to my car. 253 00:14:53,626 --> 00:14:57,330 My tires were slashed. 254 00:14:57,364 --> 00:14:59,499 My brakes were cut. 255 00:14:59,532 --> 00:15:03,069 And then one day, my windshield was hit, 256 00:15:03,103 --> 00:15:05,071 and it was shattered 257 00:15:05,105 --> 00:15:07,640 with what the repairman said 258 00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:11,311 looked -- looked like a -- like a bullet. 259 00:15:11,344 --> 00:15:15,949 I think it was Abraham trying to get me out of the way. 260 00:15:16,049 --> 00:15:18,451 I didn't have evidence that he was slashing my tires. 261 00:15:18,485 --> 00:15:20,520 He's not one that does the bad deed. 262 00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:23,456 He always has somebody who does the bad deeds. 263 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:26,626 I-I fear everywhere I go. 264 00:15:27,727 --> 00:15:30,530 -According to Yolanda, there were strange things 265 00:15:30,563 --> 00:15:32,065 that were going on. 266 00:15:32,065 --> 00:15:34,934 And Abraham's really controlling, 267 00:15:34,968 --> 00:15:38,371 and I think Abraham's conflict with Yolanda 268 00:15:38,405 --> 00:15:45,478 is that she's a force that's pulling Selena away. 269 00:15:45,512 --> 00:15:48,982 -I was the person that was between 270 00:15:49,082 --> 00:15:51,117 what he wanted to accomplish with her 271 00:15:51,151 --> 00:15:55,155 in the music industry and her businesses. 272 00:15:55,188 --> 00:15:57,157 If he got me out of the way, 273 00:15:57,190 --> 00:16:00,193 then she couldn't function her businesses. 274 00:16:03,596 --> 00:16:07,367 He started an investigation and tried to remove me, 275 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,705 accusing me of embezzlement, but I didn't work for Abraham. 276 00:16:11,738 --> 00:16:13,807 I worked for Selena. 277 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:19,346 I was doing what she asked me to do with the checks. 278 00:16:19,379 --> 00:16:21,781 It goes back to Dr. Martinez. 279 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:26,086 -Why was Yolanda writing checks to herself? 280 00:16:26,119 --> 00:16:29,723 I believe that Selena's affair with the doctor 281 00:16:29,756 --> 00:16:32,359 was partially the reason. 282 00:16:32,392 --> 00:16:33,893 Selena was telling her, 283 00:16:33,927 --> 00:16:37,864 "Write the check to yourself, go cash it," 284 00:16:37,897 --> 00:16:41,368 and then Yolanda would purchase tickets 285 00:16:41,401 --> 00:16:43,203 or whatever they needed 286 00:16:43,236 --> 00:16:48,208 to fund their next trip over to Mexico to go see the doctor. 287 00:16:48,241 --> 00:16:52,345 Yolanda did not give up Selena at that meeting. 288 00:16:52,379 --> 00:16:54,381 Did not betray that friendship. 289 00:16:54,414 --> 00:17:00,220 But is now so afraid of Abraham that she had to go buy a gun. 290 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,760 -I went and -- and -- and I bought the gun, 291 00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:08,828 and I showed it to Selena. 292 00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:13,800 And I said, "I think I need this for my protection 293 00:17:13,833 --> 00:17:16,036 because I don't trust your father." 294 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:20,807 And she said, "Buffy, I want you to return this gun, 295 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,642 and I'm gonna protect you. 296 00:17:22,676 --> 00:17:25,612 'Cause he's not gonna touch you, ever." 297 00:17:25,645 --> 00:17:26,913 I said, "Okay." 298 00:17:26,946 --> 00:17:31,217 I-I returned it, but it continued. 299 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:34,621 -When you're a prosecutor and a defense lawyer, 300 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:36,156 you have the facts 301 00:17:36,189 --> 00:17:38,224 and you can make inferences from the facts, 302 00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:42,262 but I don't just come out with plain conjecture. 303 00:17:42,295 --> 00:17:44,230 You say something, "Well, if Selena was here, 304 00:17:44,264 --> 00:17:45,465 she would tell you this. 305 00:17:45,498 --> 00:17:47,100 This is Selena's secret." 306 00:17:47,133 --> 00:17:50,136 That's a classic work of a manipulator. 307 00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:52,572 Yolanda Saldívar, I can't tell you everything 308 00:17:52,605 --> 00:17:54,274 that was going on in her head. 309 00:17:54,307 --> 00:17:57,644 You inference things from somebody's actions. 310 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:03,450 Did Yolanda Saldívar plan to kill Selena on that day? 311 00:18:03,483 --> 00:18:05,018 Yes. 312 00:18:05,018 --> 00:18:07,454 I think she also planned to kill Selena 313 00:18:07,487 --> 00:18:09,656 the day she went and bought the gun. 314 00:18:14,728 --> 00:18:18,164 -Even after the March 9th accusation 315 00:18:18,198 --> 00:18:20,867 that she was stealing money from Selena, 316 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:24,170 Selena and Yolanda continue working together. 317 00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:27,874 The fashion line was about to get launched in Monterrey, 318 00:18:27,907 --> 00:18:30,276 and Selena's not gonna let these little details 319 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:33,046 like an embezzlement charge get in the way. 320 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,182 She couldn't do it without Yolanda. 321 00:18:36,216 --> 00:18:38,051 -Have you ever had to fire somebody 322 00:18:38,084 --> 00:18:39,886 but you need them to finish a project first, 323 00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:41,421 and you keep them on 324 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,056 and then you know you're going to cut them loose 325 00:18:43,089 --> 00:18:44,591 as soon as they turn in this last project? 326 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:46,259 Selena was keeping her as long as she could 327 00:18:46,292 --> 00:18:48,395 to get the business records from Monterrey, Mexico. 328 00:18:48,428 --> 00:18:51,698 So I'm sure Yolanda was trying to hold on to everything. 329 00:18:55,068 --> 00:18:57,737 -She said, "Buffy, I need for you to go to Monterrey. 330 00:18:57,771 --> 00:18:59,706 We need to finish this." 331 00:18:59,739 --> 00:19:02,308 We had the office already. We had the manufacturer. 332 00:19:02,342 --> 00:19:04,477 We had the seamstress. We had the models. 333 00:19:04,511 --> 00:19:06,813 We had a pending fashion show. 334 00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:12,485 And I told her I felt that I wasn't safe anymore. 335 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:14,621 But Selena was stubborn. 336 00:19:14,654 --> 00:19:17,824 "This is what Abraham wants, for me to fail." 337 00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:21,761 She said, "Point a finger at me and say, 'See, I told you. 338 00:19:21,795 --> 00:19:23,396 You couldn't do it.'" 339 00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:28,034 And she was determined to prove him wrong. 340 00:19:28,034 --> 00:19:29,936 I had a choice, you know -- 341 00:19:30,036 --> 00:19:33,873 quit or be loyal to her. 342 00:19:35,041 --> 00:19:37,877 So here we go again to Monterrey. 343 00:19:41,781 --> 00:19:43,917 -Yolanda was gonna go to Mexico, 344 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:46,052 but she didn't want to go by herself. 345 00:19:46,052 --> 00:19:47,520 She had asked me to go with her. 346 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:50,357 I did not know why she had asked me. 347 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:51,958 When we took off, 348 00:19:52,058 --> 00:19:54,861 that's when she told me she was being followed. 349 00:19:54,894 --> 00:19:56,696 I was like, "From who?" 350 00:19:56,730 --> 00:20:01,034 She was really scared and she was like, "It's a blue car. 351 00:20:01,067 --> 00:20:03,103 It's a Chrysler Fifth Avenue." 352 00:20:03,136 --> 00:20:06,139 And I turned around, and I saw the vehicle. 353 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:10,543 -That blue car had been following me for months, 354 00:20:10,577 --> 00:20:12,379 since the month of February. 355 00:20:12,412 --> 00:20:15,882 Everywhere I went, whether it was to shops, to my home, 356 00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:19,652 that car was always everywhere. 357 00:20:19,686 --> 00:20:21,321 And at that point, 358 00:20:21,354 --> 00:20:26,226 I was becoming very concerned for my safety. 359 00:20:26,259 --> 00:20:31,831 And I believe that it was someone sent by Abraham. 360 00:20:31,865 --> 00:20:34,167 The reason that I never reported these things, 361 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,069 because Selena didn't want me to. 362 00:20:36,102 --> 00:20:37,971 She felt that this was gonna be 363 00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:40,140 something negative to her career, 364 00:20:40,173 --> 00:20:42,242 and she begged me not to do it. 365 00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:44,077 And I regret that. 366 00:20:44,110 --> 00:20:48,048 Loyalty to her, trying to help her make her businesses work, 367 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:50,950 'cause she wanted that to work. 368 00:20:52,452 --> 00:20:56,423 -I know Abraham's character 'cause I've lived it. 369 00:20:56,456 --> 00:20:59,092 Like, I-I experienced it, right? 370 00:20:59,125 --> 00:21:03,163 Do I feel that Abraham could have threatened her 371 00:21:03,196 --> 00:21:06,766 or sent people to follow her? 372 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,902 If he got super angry, I could see that, 373 00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:11,104 like, in his character, right? 374 00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:15,442 -There's no proof Abraham had anything to do 375 00:21:15,475 --> 00:21:19,079 with any of these accusations. 376 00:21:19,112 --> 00:21:24,718 What's clear is Yolanda was in a paranoid state of mind. 377 00:21:24,751 --> 00:21:29,756 That's what prompted her to get the gun the second time. 378 00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:32,892 -About a week before the shooting, 379 00:21:32,926 --> 00:21:37,130 Yolanda Saldívar returned to San Antonio 380 00:21:37,163 --> 00:21:39,632 and went back to A Place To Shoot, 381 00:21:39,666 --> 00:21:41,401 the same place. 382 00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:43,303 She came in and she said she wanted her gun back. 383 00:21:43,336 --> 00:21:46,639 She wanted to buy the same gun, exactly the same gun. 384 00:21:46,673 --> 00:21:48,742 And so they sold it to her. 385 00:21:48,775 --> 00:21:50,543 -I think she took the gun back 386 00:21:50,577 --> 00:21:53,246 'cause she thought Selena was taking her back into employment. 387 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,482 And then when Selena was saying, "Nope, you know, 388 00:21:55,515 --> 00:21:58,785 this is gonna be over," she went and gets the gun again. 389 00:22:00,453 --> 00:22:05,325 -On the 26th, we met at Budget Hotel in Corpus Christi. 390 00:22:05,358 --> 00:22:08,428 She wanted me to go to Monterrey again. 391 00:22:08,461 --> 00:22:14,067 And I was not very comfortable with that. 392 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:17,937 And I said, "Selena, being out there by myself 393 00:22:17,971 --> 00:22:20,774 trying to continue your businesses, 394 00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:26,279 and your father continues to be this menacing way towards me. 395 00:22:26,312 --> 00:22:29,582 Someone's following me, and I don't know who. 396 00:22:29,616 --> 00:22:32,452 My tires are being slashed, 397 00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:35,121 and I just don't feel comfortable." 398 00:22:35,155 --> 00:22:38,124 But she begged me and she goes, "Buffy, look. 399 00:22:38,158 --> 00:22:40,493 He will not hurt you. He will not. 400 00:22:40,527 --> 00:22:41,961 I assure you that." 401 00:22:41,995 --> 00:22:44,798 And I said, "Okay, I'm letting you know 402 00:22:44,831 --> 00:22:47,233 that I bought the gun back." 403 00:22:48,635 --> 00:22:53,006 -If she really was threatened, why go back to Mexico? 404 00:22:53,106 --> 00:22:54,874 To me, it doesn't make any sense. 405 00:22:54,908 --> 00:22:57,143 In my brain, it doesn't make any sense. 406 00:22:57,177 --> 00:23:00,547 Why didn't she just walk out? 407 00:23:00,580 --> 00:23:03,683 -Whatever Selena and Yolanda talked about, 408 00:23:03,717 --> 00:23:06,386 however Yolanda shared her fears 409 00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:10,056 about someone coming after her, 410 00:23:10,056 --> 00:23:12,158 Selena was able to talk Yolanda, 411 00:23:12,192 --> 00:23:14,728 "Go to Monterrey for a third trip. 412 00:23:14,761 --> 00:23:16,463 You can't let me down now. 413 00:23:16,496 --> 00:23:19,599 You got to stick with this. We're almost done." 414 00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:28,842 -On the 27th, 415 00:23:28,875 --> 00:23:32,679 with her sister Virginia Mendoza. 416 00:23:32,712 --> 00:23:34,748 -Selena was able to talk Yolanda, 417 00:23:34,781 --> 00:23:37,083 "Don't quit, don't leave me. 418 00:23:37,117 --> 00:23:40,153 Go to Monterrey for a third trip." 419 00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:41,921 Her third trip in a month, 420 00:23:41,955 --> 00:23:44,290 four days before the shooting. 421 00:23:46,426 --> 00:23:47,827 -I was so nervous. 422 00:23:47,861 --> 00:23:49,863 But I'm a person that believes in trust 423 00:23:49,896 --> 00:23:51,097 and respect and loyalty. 424 00:23:51,097 --> 00:23:52,432 I believe in those things. 425 00:23:52,465 --> 00:23:54,567 Those are pillars of my growing up. 426 00:23:54,601 --> 00:23:58,204 And -- And so you're faithful to your job or you're not. 427 00:23:58,238 --> 00:24:00,073 And -- And that's how I felt. 428 00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:03,877 And I think I was showing her my loyalty. 429 00:24:06,246 --> 00:24:10,216 -Yolanda had gone back to Mexico on a business trip. 430 00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:11,885 She felt so uncomfortable 431 00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:14,187 that she took her older sister with her. 432 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:18,458 And on the way back, they stopped at a Whataburger, 433 00:24:18,491 --> 00:24:25,065 I believe it was, and Yolanda went in to get some food. 434 00:24:25,065 --> 00:24:27,400 -It was around 8:00 in the morning, 435 00:24:27,434 --> 00:24:30,103 so I went in there and I ordered, 436 00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:33,239 and while it has been ordered, I went to the bathroom. 437 00:24:33,273 --> 00:24:35,208 And I was washing my hands. 438 00:24:35,241 --> 00:24:39,145 So, these men, I had no idea who they were, 439 00:24:39,179 --> 00:24:42,916 they started pushing me against the mirror. 440 00:24:42,949 --> 00:24:44,284 I said, "What do y'all want?" 441 00:24:44,317 --> 00:24:46,419 And one of them just hit me right here 442 00:24:46,453 --> 00:24:50,690 and pushed me around, and -- and I almost fell. 443 00:24:53,126 --> 00:24:55,261 I didn't know what they were after. 444 00:24:55,295 --> 00:24:58,898 I did not know, you know, if they were gonna kill me 445 00:24:58,932 --> 00:25:00,667 or they were gonna take me. 446 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,269 You know, all those things were coming through my mind. 447 00:25:03,303 --> 00:25:05,038 And I guess somebody heard 448 00:25:05,038 --> 00:25:06,906 that there was rambling inside the restroom, 449 00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:10,643 I was yelling, that they ran out. 450 00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:14,514 And so, oh, my God, I started feeling shaky, 451 00:25:14,547 --> 00:25:17,650 and I didn't know what was happening, 452 00:25:17,684 --> 00:25:19,052 and so I left. 453 00:25:19,052 --> 00:25:21,054 I didn't even pick up the stuff. 454 00:25:21,054 --> 00:25:23,690 And I got in the car and I just told my sister, 455 00:25:23,723 --> 00:25:25,325 "Let's go. We have to go, we have to go." 456 00:25:25,358 --> 00:25:27,127 And she says, "What happened?" 457 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,629 And I said, "I just -- I just -- I just got assaulted. 458 00:25:29,662 --> 00:25:31,731 We just have to go, we just have to go." 459 00:25:34,634 --> 00:25:36,302 -Yolanda says that, uh, 460 00:25:36,336 --> 00:25:40,340 when she was in Mexico, she was beaten up by two men. 461 00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:42,976 -As far as specifics, according to Yolanda, 462 00:25:43,076 --> 00:25:44,811 it was two men after her. 463 00:25:44,844 --> 00:25:46,946 Was it two men in the blue car? 464 00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:50,250 Was it two men sent by Abraham? 465 00:25:52,085 --> 00:25:53,653 We don't know. 466 00:25:53,687 --> 00:25:56,489 -I mean, she was sayin', "Two men beat me up." 467 00:25:56,523 --> 00:25:59,325 Well, she still had her fancy briefcase with her. 468 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,895 They didn't steal her car. 469 00:26:01,928 --> 00:26:04,030 It was just not believable. 470 00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:09,569 -For many years, there was no proof this assault happened. 471 00:26:09,602 --> 00:26:12,205 You had to take Yolanda at her word. 472 00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:14,641 Then there was a letter that popped up. 473 00:26:16,543 --> 00:26:19,045 -I'm trying to remember who this was from. 474 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:22,649 -Oh, that is very interesting. 475 00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:27,687 That's a letter that she got in prison from -- 476 00:26:27,721 --> 00:26:30,090 -Is this Lorenzo? I think it is Lorenzo. 477 00:26:30,123 --> 00:26:31,758 -Yes. This is Lorenzo. 478 00:26:31,791 --> 00:26:36,663 The letter that Yolanda received was from Lorenzo Salinas, 479 00:26:36,696 --> 00:26:42,202 who was Dr. Martinez's, um, personal chauffeur, 480 00:26:42,235 --> 00:26:45,438 indicating that attack did happen, 481 00:26:45,472 --> 00:26:48,408 and it was the doctor who ordered it. 482 00:26:48,441 --> 00:26:50,577 Oh, yeah, so he says right here [Speaking Spanish] 483 00:27:05,158 --> 00:27:07,193 And so that's what she's been sayin' all along, 484 00:27:07,227 --> 00:27:09,796 like, "Somebody beat me up." 485 00:27:09,829 --> 00:27:12,399 To this day, people don't believe that she was attacked, 486 00:27:12,432 --> 00:27:14,234 or people say that she made it up. 487 00:27:14,267 --> 00:27:16,036 Although this guy is saying, 488 00:27:16,036 --> 00:27:17,604 "I'm the one who hired those guys," 489 00:27:17,637 --> 00:27:21,708 so it did happen -Yeah. 490 00:27:21,741 --> 00:27:25,545 -This letter kind of throws another wrench 491 00:27:25,578 --> 00:27:28,581 into what we believe actually happened. 492 00:27:28,615 --> 00:27:31,718 You know, it's not just Abraham's gonna get her, 493 00:27:31,751 --> 00:27:34,120 but Dr. Martinez is gonna get her, 494 00:27:34,154 --> 00:27:35,655 which raised the question, 495 00:27:35,689 --> 00:27:39,092 why would Dr. Martinez want to attack Yolanda? 496 00:27:39,125 --> 00:27:42,262 Why would he want to go after her? 497 00:27:42,295 --> 00:27:44,431 -Yolanda believes that the doctor 498 00:27:44,464 --> 00:27:48,601 viewed her as a threat to his relationship with Selena 499 00:27:48,635 --> 00:27:51,137 and that Yolanda might have the power 500 00:27:51,171 --> 00:27:54,641 for Selena to end that relationship. 501 00:27:54,674 --> 00:27:56,643 -I mean, look, we've got this letter. 502 00:27:56,676 --> 00:27:59,512 It's got a postmark from Monterrey. 503 00:27:59,546 --> 00:28:01,481 But I don't know who this chauffeur is, 504 00:28:01,514 --> 00:28:03,450 who this letter writer is. 505 00:28:03,483 --> 00:28:05,618 We don't know if this letter's even legit, 506 00:28:05,652 --> 00:28:08,655 so what can you prove, and what can you not prove? 507 00:28:08,688 --> 00:28:13,326 After all these years, there are still questions. 508 00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:20,100 -When I traveled by myself to Mexico without Selena, 509 00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:22,635 I started finding out things about him 510 00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:27,440 that make me wonder, what is it he is all about? 511 00:28:27,474 --> 00:28:30,477 So I told Selena, I said, "You better be careful with this man, 512 00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:32,512 because I don't know if he's loyal to you," 513 00:28:32,545 --> 00:28:36,149 and he didn't like for me to be doing that. 514 00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:38,451 But she was so madly in love with him. 515 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:43,623 -According to Yolanda, both Dr. Martinez 516 00:28:43,656 --> 00:28:48,461 and Abraham had to get her out of Selena's life. 517 00:28:48,495 --> 00:28:50,063 If, as the family tells the story, 518 00:28:50,096 --> 00:28:53,133 there were threats and bullet holes and all this stuff. 519 00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:57,337 You know, is that paranoia, "people coming after me" real? 520 00:28:57,370 --> 00:28:59,339 I don't know. 521 00:28:59,372 --> 00:29:01,374 It started with the accusation, 522 00:29:01,408 --> 00:29:03,543 "You've been stealing from the fan club." 523 00:29:03,576 --> 00:29:09,015 It ended with Selena dead at the check-in desk at the Days Inn. 524 00:29:15,021 --> 00:29:18,391 -On March the 30th19 525 00:29:18,425 --> 00:29:21,461 Thursday evening... 526 00:29:21,494 --> 00:29:24,764 Yolanda Saldívar, she checks in to a hotel 527 00:29:24,798 --> 00:29:27,734 here in Corpus Christi and calls Selena. 528 00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:30,704 Yolanda had all these financial documents 529 00:29:30,737 --> 00:29:34,140 that Selena needed to prepare her income tax. 530 00:29:34,174 --> 00:29:38,244 She calls Selena and says, "I've got your records, Selena. 531 00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:40,280 Here they are. I'm at this hotel. 532 00:29:40,313 --> 00:29:41,748 I'm in this room. 533 00:29:41,781 --> 00:29:45,552 Come by, and, uh, I'll give them to you." 534 00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:48,655 -The prosecution wants you to believe 535 00:29:48,688 --> 00:29:53,126 that Yolanda lured Selena into this hotel room 536 00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:55,895 for all of these documents, right? 537 00:29:55,929 --> 00:29:59,532 That isn't exactly what happened in reality. 538 00:30:01,334 --> 00:30:03,403 -After that attack at the Whataburger, 539 00:30:03,436 --> 00:30:05,972 me and my sister, we drove and drove and drove 540 00:30:06,006 --> 00:30:07,574 until we got to the border. 541 00:30:07,607 --> 00:30:09,642 I called Selena. [ Telephone rings ] 542 00:30:09,676 --> 00:30:13,646 And I told her everything that happened. 543 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,949 "I'm just -- I'm scared, frightened. 544 00:30:15,982 --> 00:30:18,084 I'm done. I'm done working. 545 00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:20,120 I'm going to Corpus. Meet me somewhere. 546 00:30:20,153 --> 00:30:21,654 I'll give you all the documents." 547 00:30:21,688 --> 00:30:23,490 And she said, "No, no, no, no." 548 00:30:23,523 --> 00:30:26,126 She said, "Look, just go to -- There's a Days Inn. 549 00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:29,763 Stop there, and I'll meet you there tonight." 550 00:30:29,796 --> 00:30:32,632 I went to San Antonio to drop off my sister, 551 00:30:32,665 --> 00:30:35,335 and I drove to the hotel. 552 00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:39,539 I was shaking, 'cause I was looking around, 553 00:30:39,572 --> 00:30:41,675 making sure nobody was there. 554 00:30:41,708 --> 00:30:44,778 I drove to the room. I locked it. 555 00:30:48,548 --> 00:30:52,686 -Selena goes to the hotel that evening. 556 00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:55,522 She goes with her husband, Chris Pérez. 557 00:30:55,555 --> 00:30:58,591 Chris stays by the car. He doesn't go into the room. 558 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:04,731 -She came in the room and she saw how I'd been assaulted. 559 00:31:04,764 --> 00:31:09,969 I said, "Selena, in the morning, I'm gonna go see a doctor. 560 00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:13,840 All your books are right there on the bed. 561 00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:18,078 And I left the truck open, and there's a briefcase in there 562 00:31:18,078 --> 00:31:22,549 with all the documents of anything you've ever given me." 563 00:31:22,582 --> 00:31:24,884 And that's when she started, "What is this? 564 00:31:24,918 --> 00:31:26,820 That you just want to quit on me?" 565 00:31:26,853 --> 00:31:29,089 I said, "I cannot work with you like this. 566 00:31:29,122 --> 00:31:31,424 I got assaulted. What else do you want me to do?" 567 00:31:31,458 --> 00:31:33,727 "Well, we're gonna talk about it in the morning, 568 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,096 'cause Chris is outside waiting for me." 569 00:31:37,797 --> 00:31:41,101 -Chris says they're in there for a little while, 570 00:31:41,101 --> 00:31:44,871 and then Selena returns to the car with the box. 571 00:31:46,606 --> 00:31:48,508 On the way home, she looks through the documents, 572 00:31:48,541 --> 00:31:50,744 and it's the same thing she's gotten before. 573 00:31:50,777 --> 00:31:53,413 It's nothing that she can use. 574 00:31:53,446 --> 00:31:56,416 So Selena says, "That's it. No more. 575 00:31:56,449 --> 00:31:59,252 I'm not gonna deal with Yolanda anymore." 576 00:31:59,285 --> 00:32:02,922 -She left, but she didn't even go to the truck 577 00:32:02,956 --> 00:32:06,393 to get the briefcase, the documents that were in there. 578 00:32:06,426 --> 00:32:11,931 ** 579 00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:16,403 -The next morning, Selena went by herself in Chris's truck 580 00:32:16,436 --> 00:32:18,071 back over there to the hotel. 581 00:32:18,071 --> 00:32:19,973 Selena left without tellin' Chris. 582 00:32:20,073 --> 00:32:22,275 Chris was still asleep. 583 00:32:22,308 --> 00:32:24,477 -She shows up in the morning. 584 00:32:24,511 --> 00:32:26,413 She says, "Let's go to the hospital. 585 00:32:26,446 --> 00:32:27,947 Let's go to the hospital." 586 00:32:27,981 --> 00:32:30,583 And I said, "Okay, let's go. Let's go." 587 00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,988 -When Selena took Yolanda Saldívar 588 00:32:35,088 --> 00:32:38,458 to the hospital, she was examined by two nurses. 589 00:32:38,491 --> 00:32:42,729 And she's saying, "Oh, yes, these two big men beat me up." 590 00:32:42,762 --> 00:32:45,231 And the nurses, you know, look at her body, 591 00:32:45,265 --> 00:32:48,635 and we -- we have the pictures from her arrest, 592 00:32:48,668 --> 00:32:50,904 and she's got these, like, brown spots 593 00:32:50,937 --> 00:32:52,939 that are almost like bruises that were healing. 594 00:32:52,972 --> 00:32:55,241 There's, like, maybe a scratch or two. 595 00:32:55,275 --> 00:32:57,977 And the nurses told me that Selena was just sitting there 596 00:32:58,011 --> 00:32:59,813 looking with her arms crossed, 597 00:32:59,846 --> 00:33:03,650 shaking her head, like, "This is not matching what she told me." 598 00:33:03,683 --> 00:33:06,052 It was just not believable. 599 00:33:06,052 --> 00:33:10,156 I mean, the lightbulb went off in Selena's head, I'm sure. 600 00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:14,461 -They say that she lied about being assaulted, 601 00:33:14,494 --> 00:33:16,162 but I've seen the letter 602 00:33:16,196 --> 00:33:20,667 that states the attack did actually happen. 603 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:24,170 They say that she was disgruntled 604 00:33:24,204 --> 00:33:26,339 because she was gonna get fired, 605 00:33:26,373 --> 00:33:31,177 when in reality, she put in a resignation letter to Selena. 606 00:33:31,211 --> 00:33:35,515 Saying that she embezzled money is also embellished, right? 607 00:33:35,548 --> 00:33:39,452 This whole narrative of this obsessed, 608 00:33:39,486 --> 00:33:43,990 crazy fan who was so distraught 609 00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:47,994 to leave Selena that she killed her. 610 00:33:48,094 --> 00:33:51,164 If you really look at all of that evidence, 611 00:33:51,197 --> 00:33:54,567 then it would open your eyes to the possibility 612 00:33:54,601 --> 00:33:59,239 that Yolanda isn't this horrible monster, 613 00:33:59,272 --> 00:34:03,309 but Yolanda had a gun, and the gun went off. 614 00:34:03,343 --> 00:34:05,879 Yes, Selena died. 615 00:34:07,347 --> 00:34:11,484 -Now, how that gun went off, we can speculate all we want, 616 00:34:11,518 --> 00:34:15,088 'cause I wasn't there and you weren't there. 617 00:34:15,121 --> 00:34:16,923 Yolanda was there. 618 00:34:16,956 --> 00:34:21,528 Now, how she sees it or has interpreted it, 619 00:34:21,561 --> 00:34:23,096 that's Yolanda. 620 00:34:23,129 --> 00:34:26,499 And she'll -- she'll give you her story, 621 00:34:26,533 --> 00:34:29,402 but is that the story? 622 00:34:29,436 --> 00:34:34,908 ** 623 00:34:34,941 --> 00:34:38,611 -Selena, when she came into the room, 624 00:34:38,645 --> 00:34:41,915 she kept trying to put guilt in me 625 00:34:41,948 --> 00:34:43,750 for not continuing with her 626 00:34:43,783 --> 00:34:45,885 and -- and how everything was gonna crumble, 627 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:48,922 and she kept saying to me, 628 00:34:48,955 --> 00:34:50,623 "If you don't stay with me, I know you. 629 00:34:50,657 --> 00:34:51,958 You're gonna come out. 630 00:34:51,991 --> 00:34:54,961 You're gonna be telling everybody 631 00:34:54,994 --> 00:34:57,263 about what was going on with the doctor." 632 00:34:57,297 --> 00:34:58,898 I felt... 633 00:35:00,467 --> 00:35:04,037 I felt like, "How dare you accuse me 634 00:35:04,037 --> 00:35:06,606 when I've kept all your secrets? 635 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:07,941 What do you want me to do?" 636 00:35:08,041 --> 00:35:11,444 And -- And all I could think is -- 637 00:35:11,478 --> 00:35:15,115 to show her my loyalty to her 638 00:35:15,148 --> 00:35:17,951 is to blow my brains out. 639 00:35:19,486 --> 00:35:22,055 My emotions were running so high. 640 00:35:22,055 --> 00:35:26,226 And I was hurting. My body was hurting. 641 00:35:26,259 --> 00:35:28,461 I didn't know how to operate a gun. 642 00:35:28,495 --> 00:35:30,263 I've never had one. 643 00:35:30,296 --> 00:35:32,766 And so... 644 00:35:32,799 --> 00:35:34,167 I just clicked it. [ Gun clicks ] 645 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,769 And I said, "What do you want me to do? 646 00:35:35,802 --> 00:35:37,504 What is the last thing y'all want me to do? 647 00:35:37,537 --> 00:35:39,472 What is the last thing your family wants me to do? 648 00:35:39,506 --> 00:35:40,907 You want me to kill myself? Because I'll just do it." 649 00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:42,308 And I got the gun and... 650 00:35:42,342 --> 00:35:44,310 And she said, "No, no, no, no, Yolanda!" 651 00:35:44,344 --> 00:35:46,346 And she went to the door. And when she went to the door, 652 00:35:46,379 --> 00:35:48,982 I said, "Don't close the door," and, pow, it went... 653 00:35:49,082 --> 00:35:56,389 ** 654 00:36:01,795 --> 00:36:04,197 -Those last moments in 655 00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:08,034 I don't know if Yolanda was just wavin' a gun around 656 00:36:08,034 --> 00:36:10,837 or intentionally aimed it, and was it a selfish act? 657 00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:13,673 "If I can't have her, no one can have her"? 658 00:36:13,707 --> 00:36:15,508 [ Gun clicks ] 659 00:36:15,542 --> 00:36:17,143 No one knows. 660 00:36:17,177 --> 00:36:20,180 Yolanda knows, and I'm not sure she even knows. 661 00:36:20,213 --> 00:36:21,514 [ Gunshot ] 662 00:36:21,548 --> 00:36:25,118 But the gun went off, and Selena died. 663 00:36:27,053 --> 00:36:29,055 -I just feel like there's a lot of risk 664 00:36:29,055 --> 00:36:32,292 in essentially retrying this case 665 00:36:32,325 --> 00:36:34,060 in the court of public opinion 666 00:36:34,094 --> 00:36:37,664 when at the end of the day, she is the person who did it. 667 00:36:37,697 --> 00:36:39,632 Is there maybe some nuance as to, like, 668 00:36:39,666 --> 00:36:41,801 the circumstances that led up to it? 669 00:36:41,835 --> 00:36:43,870 Yeah, but does that change the fact 670 00:36:43,903 --> 00:36:46,773 that she is the one who killed Selena? 671 00:36:48,074 --> 00:36:49,542 -I've been telling you all all along, 672 00:36:49,576 --> 00:36:51,544 this is a simple murder case. 673 00:36:51,578 --> 00:36:53,213 Uh, I expected a two-week trial, 674 00:36:53,246 --> 00:36:55,181 and I expected a two-hour verdict, 675 00:36:55,215 --> 00:36:57,217 and I think -- I think the jury took a little longer, 676 00:36:57,250 --> 00:36:59,252 2 hours and 20 minutes or something like that. 677 00:36:59,285 --> 00:37:02,355 I've never looked at cases as win or lose. 678 00:37:02,389 --> 00:37:05,058 In fact, when I left the courtroom, they said, 679 00:37:05,091 --> 00:37:07,160 "What do you think about this great victory?" 680 00:37:07,193 --> 00:37:09,529 And I told 'em, "Look, what you've got is one -- 681 00:37:09,562 --> 00:37:12,399 one family has lost their daughter, 682 00:37:12,432 --> 00:37:14,901 the other family just lost their daughter. 683 00:37:14,934 --> 00:37:16,603 There's no victory here for anybody. 684 00:37:16,636 --> 00:37:18,405 Nobody wins." 685 00:37:19,572 --> 00:37:22,242 [ Crowd cheering ] 686 00:37:22,275 --> 00:37:25,512 -All we could hear was people 687 00:37:25,545 --> 00:37:28,381 cheering like it was a parade, 688 00:37:28,415 --> 00:37:33,053 like it was the best news in the whole world. 689 00:37:33,053 --> 00:37:36,056 -Yeah, that's the hardest part. 690 00:37:36,089 --> 00:37:39,926 It's knowing that the fact that from that day on 691 00:37:39,959 --> 00:37:43,263 that everything in your life is gonna change. 692 00:37:43,296 --> 00:37:45,398 It's like being on an island. 693 00:37:45,432 --> 00:37:47,467 You know, it's just us. 694 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:49,736 -I think Yolanda has suffered. 695 00:37:49,769 --> 00:37:51,705 This family has suffered. 696 00:37:51,738 --> 00:37:54,741 She'll always pay for that. 697 00:37:54,774 --> 00:37:58,745 She'll -- She'll have to live with that the rest of her life. 698 00:37:58,778 --> 00:38:01,281 And that enough is punishment. 699 00:38:01,314 --> 00:38:03,016 -The fact that she's gonna have -- 700 00:38:03,016 --> 00:38:05,919 or she could have the ability to come home 701 00:38:06,019 --> 00:38:08,455 is exactly what Grandma and Grandpa wanted. 702 00:38:08,488 --> 00:38:13,593 -Yolanda is eligible for parole in, uh, March of 2025, 703 00:38:13,626 --> 00:38:15,562 which is quickly approaching. 704 00:38:15,595 --> 00:38:19,032 For us as a family, we're hopeful that she can get out 705 00:38:19,032 --> 00:38:23,803 but also very scary and terrifying at the same time. 706 00:38:23,837 --> 00:38:26,039 God, I hope people will just... 707 00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,843 let her live however many years she has left in peace. 708 00:38:29,876 --> 00:38:32,412 Leave our family alone. 709 00:38:32,445 --> 00:38:35,148 Because no matter what they do to Yolanda, 710 00:38:35,181 --> 00:38:39,819 if she comes out, no matter what anybody does to her, 711 00:38:39,853 --> 00:38:41,354 they can't bring Selena back. 712 00:38:41,388 --> 00:38:44,290 Nobody can. 713 00:38:44,324 --> 00:38:47,193 -I tell my family, even to this day, 714 00:38:47,227 --> 00:38:50,363 I said, "I'm 100% responsible for that. 715 00:38:50,397 --> 00:38:52,165 I am." 716 00:38:52,198 --> 00:38:53,867 And they tell me, "No, no, no, no, Tía. 717 00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:55,802 We're family. 718 00:38:55,835 --> 00:38:57,504 You know, one suffers, we all suffer." 719 00:38:57,537 --> 00:38:59,172 I said, "No." 720 00:38:59,205 --> 00:39:02,142 The -- The emotion of them 721 00:39:02,175 --> 00:39:05,345 having to, for years, 722 00:39:05,378 --> 00:39:09,182 not going out to eat, not going out to any functions, 723 00:39:09,215 --> 00:39:12,786 not -- couldn't -- couldn't even go to school 724 00:39:12,819 --> 00:39:16,856 because of all the bad -- negativity thrown their way, 725 00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:21,027 it's a big weight for me. 726 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:26,166 -It wasn't until a couple of weeks later 727 00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:30,203 that I got to see Yolanda after it happened. 728 00:39:30,236 --> 00:39:33,039 And the very first time that I saw her 729 00:39:33,073 --> 00:39:37,043 and she was in custody, um, 730 00:39:37,043 --> 00:39:40,380 she knew that Selena was my friend, right? 731 00:39:42,215 --> 00:39:46,653 And she just told me, crying, like, "It's -- 732 00:39:46,686 --> 00:39:51,358 I didn't mean to do it. I didn't mean to do it." 733 00:39:51,391 --> 00:39:55,061 In my head, in my heart, I know... 734 00:39:55,095 --> 00:39:58,498 my aunt did something and killed Selena. 735 00:39:58,531 --> 00:40:01,434 My aunt shot a gun, and it killed Selena. 736 00:40:01,468 --> 00:40:02,902 I know that. 737 00:40:02,936 --> 00:40:12,012 ** 738 00:40:12,045 --> 00:40:14,581 [Voice breaking] But I'm on both sides. 739 00:40:14,614 --> 00:40:20,020 ** 740 00:40:20,053 --> 00:40:24,257 She was my aunt, but Selena was my friend. 741 00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:27,193 And I'm on both sides. 742 00:40:30,797 --> 00:40:36,469 And it's hard for me to say that one person that I love 743 00:40:36,503 --> 00:40:38,405 that's my aunt 744 00:40:38,438 --> 00:40:42,942 killed another person that I love that is my friend. 745 00:40:42,976 --> 00:40:48,715 I'm not here just to defend the person that Yolanda is. 746 00:40:48,748 --> 00:40:53,620 I have to talk about the friend that I lost 747 00:40:53,653 --> 00:40:57,457 and a friend that I never got to say goodbye to. 748 00:40:57,490 --> 00:41:02,796 ** 749 00:41:02,829 --> 00:41:04,297 -My decisions were my decisions. 750 00:41:04,330 --> 00:41:07,901 But the consequences are also mine. 751 00:41:07,934 --> 00:41:11,104 And I... 752 00:41:11,137 --> 00:41:13,340 I'm regretful for all of that. 753 00:41:13,373 --> 00:41:19,346 If I could turn time, if I could turn the clock, 754 00:41:19,379 --> 00:41:23,350 I think that a lot of things would not be as they were. 755 00:41:23,383 --> 00:41:29,489 I want the people to know that I miss Selena just like they do. 756 00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:32,292 So much. 757 00:41:32,325 --> 00:41:34,994 But, uh, I know I'll see her again in heaven. 758 00:41:35,095 --> 00:41:37,464 I know I will. 759 00:41:37,497 --> 00:41:39,866 She didn't deserve to die. 760 00:41:39,899 --> 00:41:41,634 She didn't deserve that. 761 00:41:41,668 --> 00:41:49,976 ** 762 00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:58,318 ** 763 00:41:58,351 --> 00:42:06,659 ** 764 00:42:06,693 --> 00:42:15,068 ** 765 00:42:15,068 --> 00:42:23,343 ** 766 00:42:23,376 --> 00:42:31,685 ** 767 00:42:31,718 --> 00:42:40,193 **