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-Unbelievably tragic news today.

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Selena is dead.

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Selena Quintanilla,
the Tejano music superstar

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who was from Corpus Christi died
this afternoon at Memorial...

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-We are standing by live,
in Corpus Christi,

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right across the street
from the Days Inn

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where the shooting
did occur earlier today.

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-Selena Quintanilla,
if you're just tuning in,

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dead at age 23.

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-The victim, uh, collapsed
in the lobby of the hotel.

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-If you look behind me
you can see the tail end

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of a red pickup truck.

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This is also where police
officers and SWAT team members

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are still trying to negotiate
with the alleged killer.

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-Look, this is just
a simple case of murder.

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That's all.

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It's nothing -- nothing
other than that.

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-The suspect never left
the scene.

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She holed up in this
red pickup truck

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in the motel parking lot,
threatening to commit suicide.

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This is a picture-looking
on your screen

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right now,
this is the woman.

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Reportedly, her name
is Yolanda Saldivar.

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-There are a lotta pieces
to this story that are missing.

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A lotta pieces.

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-If my daughter Selena was...

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was killed this morning
by a disgruntled employee.

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-What the public's been told

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isn't exactly
what happened in reality.

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-I don't think the public wants
to hear those kind of details.

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-Saldivar will not be eligible
for parole until the year 2025.

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-I have hope, but I'm scared.
-It is scary.

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-This is not a simple case
of murder.

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This is what this proves.

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-Conspiracies about what
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rumor about whether she had an
affair with a doctor.

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It's confusing.
And it's messy.

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And it's complicated.

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-Sometimes people don't care
what the truth is.

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-Early afternoon,
morning, Friday,

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I was dispatched,
sent out to the location

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where the shooting occurred.

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I was on the outside perimeter

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that had been set up
by uniformed officers.

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There were SWAT officers
around the pickup truck

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with one or two of
the hostage negotiators.

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-I was the primary hostage
and crisis negotiator on scene

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and team leader.

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I got the call via pager,
responded to it,

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parked at across the street,

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on scene within about
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There's a red truck sittin'
out there in the parking lot.

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The driver of this truck
is a woman,

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and she's got a gun
and she's threatening suicide.

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As I'm walking across
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I'm just kinda, like,
mesmerized by the hundreds

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if not thousand people or so
that's surrounded this hotel.

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Media's everywhere,

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and that's never
happened before,

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that I'm aware of,
in Corpus Christi.

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-Pretty sure you can ask anybody
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where they were when this
happened, and they'll tell you.

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They'll know.
They'll remember it.

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It was -- it's involved
in everybody's mind.

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I was at my desk,
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who worked for the San Antonio
Express-News, called me up.

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And he said,
"Uh, Selena's been shot."

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So I said, "David, it's not
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and this isn't very funny."

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And he said, "No, no, no.
I-I'm not kiddin'.

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This just came over
the -- the wire, the AP wire.

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She's been shot."

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-Selena was this ambassador
that was taking the sound

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into places that Tejano
had never been before.

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And so, by doing that,
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up to be
an international Latin artist

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along the lines
of Julio Iglesias,

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someone like that,
or Gloria Estefan.

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She was going to that level.

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I thought she was gonna be
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-She just -- she had this gift,
and she was young,

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and she was full of promise,

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and she was gonna do marvelous
things in this world.

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And all of a sudden,
it just ends.

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People wanna know why.

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-We can't believe this happened
to someone like her.

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-There were several rumors
and gossip

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that was going on
about who it was.

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-An emotional
Abraham Quintanilla

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told reporters more
about the shooting

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than police
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-It wasn't until
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called a -- a press conference
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and said it was
Yolanda Saldivar,

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a disgruntled
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-She was, uh -- uh, the
president of the -- started out

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as the president
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And, uh, then she was hired
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uh, at her stores.

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-Yolanda's still in the truck
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Abraham is on television
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Abraham was her manager
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and I was surprised
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kicked into gear
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-During a news conference
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her father speculated
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because of some
missing money.

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-And there was
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with the fan club.

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-What could be worse,
an artist killed

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by their fan club president?

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This is, like come on!

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This is tragedy upon tragedy.

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This doesn't happen.

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-The standoff continues
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that motel at Navigation
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Nancy, give us the latest.
-Joe, the standoff has been

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going on for more
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and it appears that this is not
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Corpus Christi police have
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so this could last
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-The negotiators, their job
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this person out of the situation
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That's all they're trying to do.

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It's not really
a pleasant memory.

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You know, you really are
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with someone who is
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And then you're trying to gain
a rapport with them.

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And you hope it's effective.

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[ Voice breaking ]
'Cause if it's not...

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bad things could happen.

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She's sitting in that truck,

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and she's got the gun
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and if it's cocked,
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she could bump -- turn around
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and shoot herself
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-Oh!

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-About 9:30, 9:20 that evening,

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she finally is talked
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-Drop the gun!
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Finally, around nine thirty, she
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and takes
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SWAT officers push the truck
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and shove Saldivar to the
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She's handcuffed, and going
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her face is covered with a
jacket.

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Saldivar is quickly put into a
patrol car and taken to the
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-The SWAT team takes her in.

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She was taken up to the criminal
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where she met Paul Rivera
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the detectives assigned
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-From the start, our
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was in the truck sayin',
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I shot her.
I shot her."

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It became, to me,
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-What makes a murder
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taking of another life.

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If it's an accident then
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-You got the shorthand
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but was that really
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There are so many shades of gray
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There are so many nuances and
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and so, as long as the person at
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and she's still around, who was
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Boy, I'd sure like to hear
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-Lots of time has passed.

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I think that, um,
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uh, I think it's time
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And -- And I think the people
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-A 23-year-old woman

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whom Mexican American teenagers
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compared to Madonna was shot
and killed...

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-Selena was fatally wounded
today at a Days Inn...

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-Selena Quintanilla was shot
and killed today...

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-Police say she was gunned down
in a Texas motel by a fan.

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-...her assailant in custody,

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fans and family are left
with her memory and her music.

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-After Selena was killed,
that weekend, this happened

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on a Friday-that
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over 50,000 people lined up
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And I knew we were in
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that we had never seen
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-At least 30,000 fans filed past
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most in shocked disbelief at the
bizarre murder of a rising star.

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-They hope their presence here

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is of some comfort
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like her husband Chris Perez,
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who is understandably silent
and subdued.

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Others embrace her fan
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Selena's father and manager.

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-And she represented us
with the women.

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-There's a hole in our hearts
that is missing

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because of Tejano music.

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I think Tejano music is
going down without Selena.

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-I realized when I was watching
the news all night.

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I was like,
this is not a fake.

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It's real.
She's gone.

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-My name is Cat Cardenas.

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I'm a journalist
from San Antonio.

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I write about entertainment,
pop culture,

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but primarily
about Latino culture,

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and for the past
several years,

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I've written extensively
about Selena and her legacy.

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So, Selena grows up in this
very musically inclined family

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and starts singing along
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when she's, like, six
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And the whole story is that
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that she has a very
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So, they form their own
little band

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and Abraham starts playing
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like, booking them
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playing parties, and pachangas
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And as she gets older, in 17,
18, 19 years of age,

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she's very clearly set
on the idea

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that she's gonna do this
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a mainstream
Mexican American popstar.

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-You know, I'm a firm believer

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that Hispanic families
are real tight.

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They seem to stick together,
believe in real family unity.

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And you can see by our family.

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We work together really well.

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-The idea that a girl
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and from Corpus
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and is at, you know,
these venues with stars

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that she's idolized
her whole life

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00:16:12,623 --> 00:16:18,020
is kind of a crazy idea
in and of itself.

249
00:16:18,064 --> 00:16:20,196
She's, like,
very much this image

250
00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,676
of an all-American girl

251
00:16:21,719 --> 00:16:24,548
while still very much
representing a community

252
00:16:24,592 --> 00:16:27,421
that didn't have
a lot of representation.

253
00:16:27,464 --> 00:16:29,684
The Tejano community
did not have, like,

254
00:16:29,727 --> 00:16:31,425
a mainstream star

255
00:16:31,468 --> 00:16:34,645
representing them
the way that Selena was.

256
00:16:34,689 --> 00:16:39,259
♪♪

257
00:16:39,302 --> 00:16:42,914
-Chris Perez, he had joined
the band as guitarist.

258
00:16:42,958 --> 00:16:44,351
He was really good-looking,

259
00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:46,918
He was quiet.
He was a strong type.

260
00:16:46,962 --> 00:16:51,184
And it was kind of on the sly
for, uh, several months,

261
00:16:51,227 --> 00:16:52,576
you know,
that they're seeing each other,

262
00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:55,057
they have to sneak away
to talk to one another.

263
00:16:55,101 --> 00:16:57,059
It's, you know,
it's forbidden love.

264
00:16:57,103 --> 00:17:02,934
Chris and Selena eloped
and announced to the family

265
00:17:02,978 --> 00:17:04,240
and the band they had married.

266
00:17:04,284 --> 00:17:08,201
And they moved in, uh,
next door to Abraham.

267
00:17:08,244 --> 00:17:12,031
1991, Selena Y Los Dinos
are blowing up.

268
00:17:12,074 --> 00:17:18,472
and as part of this getting
bigger, they get solicitations.

269
00:17:18,515 --> 00:17:20,865
-The Quintanilla family
gets, I think at some point,

270
00:17:20,909 --> 00:17:25,783
they say, like, 10 or 15 calls
in a row from Yolanda Saldivar,

271
00:17:25,827 --> 00:17:27,437
who was a fan of Selena's,

272
00:17:27,481 --> 00:17:29,091
had been to
several of her shows,

273
00:17:29,135 --> 00:17:32,790
and wanted to get their
permission to start a fan club.

274
00:17:32,834 --> 00:17:36,272
-So when Yolanda comes, "Hey,
I'd like to run your fan club,"

275
00:17:36,316 --> 00:17:38,144
Abraham, "Great. Sure."

276
00:17:38,187 --> 00:17:39,449
And she built up the fan club.

277
00:17:39,493 --> 00:17:41,756
She did what she promised.

278
00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:45,716
-She's getting tons of requests
from people who are excited

279
00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,111
to get their little packets
of, like, Selena fan items.

280
00:17:49,155 --> 00:17:53,811
And Yolanda then starts working
a little bit closely

281
00:17:53,855 --> 00:17:57,946
with Suzette, Selena's sister,
to do, like, fundraisers

282
00:17:57,989 --> 00:18:00,383
and things like that
at some of the shows.

283
00:18:00,427 --> 00:18:05,171
-All of a sudden,
Yolanda Saldivar was somebody.

284
00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:08,304
She was the president
of the fan club

285
00:18:08,348 --> 00:18:11,525
of the most dynamic band
in Tejano music.

286
00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,578
-Um, well, Selena had, um,

287
00:18:21,622 --> 00:18:27,671
she had an aura
of attracting you to her.

288
00:18:27,715 --> 00:18:30,979
When she would perform,
she would -- would --

289
00:18:31,022 --> 00:18:33,677
would draw --
draw you to dance with her.

290
00:18:33,721 --> 00:18:36,506
She wanted you to feel
what she was feeling.

291
00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:38,508
And so it --
it draw you to that

292
00:18:38,552 --> 00:18:40,206
and maybe I was
feeling like her.

293
00:18:40,249 --> 00:18:42,512
Maybe I was feeling down.
Maybe I was feeling depressed.

294
00:18:42,556 --> 00:18:44,166
Maybe I was feeling joyful.

295
00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:46,777
She brought you into that.

296
00:18:46,821 --> 00:18:50,085
The first time I met her was
in Desperado Nightclub

297
00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:51,217
in San Antonio.

298
00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:54,872
She was very friendly, very...

299
00:18:54,916 --> 00:18:57,875
she wasn't telling me
Miss Yolanda or Yolanda.

300
00:18:57,919 --> 00:18:59,312
She was just, "Hey friend!"

301
00:18:59,355 --> 00:19:00,878
And she would just
pat you on the back

302
00:19:00,922 --> 00:19:05,970
or just laugh about anything
and everything and I --

303
00:19:06,014 --> 00:19:09,365
I said to myself,
"This girl doesn't even know me

304
00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:11,106
and look at the way
she treats me."

305
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:15,241
And she kind of eased my --
my worry a little bit

306
00:19:15,284 --> 00:19:18,069
and just embraced me.

307
00:19:18,113 --> 00:19:20,942
We became friends.

308
00:19:20,985 --> 00:19:24,554
-A woman who is nearest and
dearest to Tejano singer Selena

309
00:19:24,598 --> 00:19:26,295
has been charged
with killing her.

310
00:19:26,339 --> 00:19:28,210
-Saldivar was one
of Selena's closest

311
00:19:28,254 --> 00:19:29,907
and most trusted friends.

312
00:19:29,951 --> 00:19:33,084
But there are still dozens
of unanswered questions tonight.

313
00:19:33,128 --> 00:19:35,609
The first one being
how could someone so close

314
00:19:35,652 --> 00:19:37,611
to Selena allegedly kill her.

315
00:19:37,654 --> 00:19:43,530
-All of a sudden, after that
dark day in Corpus Christi,

316
00:19:43,573 --> 00:19:46,402
everybody was
wondering, who is this woman?

317
00:19:46,446 --> 00:19:50,624
A fan club president
kills the star?

318
00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:52,408
What's going on here?

319
00:19:52,452 --> 00:19:54,802
This doesn't make
a lick of sense.

320
00:19:54,845 --> 00:20:00,721
-The narrative has always been,
"Oh, a crazy fan killed Selena."

321
00:20:02,592 --> 00:20:05,769
But it was something
a lot more complicated.

322
00:20:05,813 --> 00:20:10,774
It really calls to mind
a very distinct era of

323
00:20:10,818 --> 00:20:14,387
'90s tabloid coverage
that was very cruel

324
00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:15,823
and unforgiving towards women.

325
00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:17,564
-And I, you know, I don't think

326
00:20:17,607 --> 00:20:22,438
the image makers are interested
in nuance or any details

327
00:20:22,482 --> 00:20:25,267
or certainly, you know,
the evil woman that killed her.

328
00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:28,183
They don't want to humanize her.

329
00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:32,622
-Yolanda is a confusing person
for the media to deal with.

330
00:20:32,666 --> 00:20:38,454
An unmarried, you know,
in her 30s woman being friends

331
00:20:38,498 --> 00:20:44,460
with a 23-year-old popstar.

332
00:20:44,504 --> 00:20:46,288
It's a confusing
relationship dynamic

333
00:20:46,332 --> 00:20:47,681
for a lot of people
to swallow.

334
00:20:47,724 --> 00:20:49,596
And it's very easy
to sensationalize it

335
00:20:49,639 --> 00:20:53,861
into kind of portraying Yolanda
as a jealous spinster

336
00:20:53,904 --> 00:20:55,993
who wanted to be as close
as possible

337
00:20:56,037 --> 00:20:59,693
to this youthful, beautiful,
amazingly talented person

338
00:20:59,736 --> 00:21:03,087
who always has
the spotlight on her.

339
00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:05,307
-Justicia! Justicia!
Justicia! Justicia!

340
00:21:05,351 --> 00:21:07,657
-I never hated
anyone in my life.

341
00:21:07,701 --> 00:21:11,661
But Yolanda took some--
something so precious from us.

342
00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:15,317
I hope she's found guilty.

343
00:21:15,361 --> 00:21:17,580
-I was convicted by
public opinion

344
00:21:17,624 --> 00:21:19,626
even before my trial started.

345
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:21,323
-If they don't send her
to prison,

346
00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:22,890
she won't be here too long.

347
00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:25,196
I guarantee that.
-Somebody'll get rid of her.

348
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,329
-We want Saldivar put away.

349
00:21:27,373 --> 00:21:28,983
For life. Forever.

350
00:21:29,026 --> 00:21:34,554
-They have been fed, um, uh,
a narrative that is not correct,

351
00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:38,732
that I was an embezzler,
that I was an obsessed fan.

352
00:21:38,775 --> 00:21:42,997
My right as a -- as a citizen of
the United States to be innocent

353
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,956
until proven guilty
was reversed on me.

354
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,046
I was guilty and needed to prove
my -- my innocence.

355
00:21:54,138 --> 00:21:55,966
-I know that people
were hurting.

356
00:21:56,010 --> 00:21:57,490
I know it.

357
00:21:57,533 --> 00:22:01,668
And I know that they loved her,
no doubt.

358
00:22:01,711 --> 00:22:05,976
And I know that the people
to this day still hurt for her.

359
00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:07,630
I do, too.

360
00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:11,547
And I know that Abraham
took advantage

361
00:22:11,591 --> 00:22:15,725
of that sentiment,
that sympathy,

362
00:22:15,769 --> 00:22:19,686
and used it for his benefit,
to poison their minds,

363
00:22:19,729 --> 00:22:24,125
and continues to do that.

364
00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:29,348
My family was devastated
from the very beginning.

365
00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:33,830
My parents had --
had all my belongings.

366
00:22:33,874 --> 00:22:35,702
They had all my property.

367
00:22:35,745 --> 00:22:37,486
They had all my files.

368
00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:38,966
They had everything.

369
00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:43,623
And they, for months,
put it all together.

370
00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:46,539
My sister, my brothers,
and my parents said,

371
00:22:46,582 --> 00:22:50,673
"We're gonna vow to tell the
truth, but you have to tell us

372
00:22:50,717 --> 00:22:52,849
the whole truth,
no matter who it hurts.

373
00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:55,199
We have to get justice for you.

374
00:22:55,243 --> 00:23:00,509
We cannot let lies
and untruths stand."

375
00:23:00,553 --> 00:23:02,250
And my mom would always tell me,

376
00:23:02,293 --> 00:23:05,514
"A lie will stand
until the truth arrives."

377
00:23:05,558 --> 00:23:11,172
♪♪

378
00:23:11,215 --> 00:23:13,740
-I think a big question is,
like, how does somebody

379
00:23:13,783 --> 00:23:16,699
who loves somebody kill them.

380
00:23:16,743 --> 00:23:21,138
I just think in this case,
particularly,

381
00:23:21,182 --> 00:23:22,792
they didn't mean to.

382
00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:24,403
And the reason I say that is

383
00:23:24,446 --> 00:23:27,884
because I know the relationship
between Selena and Yolanda.

384
00:23:27,928 --> 00:23:31,888
I was there from the beginning
of their relationship.

385
00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:37,024
But yet, nobody really knows
who I am.

386
00:23:37,067 --> 00:23:39,374
The public only knows
what they've been told, right?

387
00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:43,204
There's been a story
that has been created,

388
00:23:43,247 --> 00:23:48,252
but nobody really knows
exactly what happened.

389
00:23:48,296 --> 00:23:53,562
And what's in these boxes
tells that true story

390
00:23:53,606 --> 00:23:55,346
about what happened.

391
00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:58,045
It's just interesting that
it's been living

392
00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:00,264
in this
storage-in -- in, you know,

393
00:24:00,308 --> 00:24:06,314
in these boxes for almost,
you know, 25-plus years.

394
00:24:06,357 --> 00:24:08,011
My name is Tina.

395
00:24:08,055 --> 00:24:11,275
I was the San Antonio
Selena Etc.

396
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:12,886
boutique manager.

397
00:24:12,929 --> 00:24:14,888
Selena was my friend.

398
00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:17,499
I am also Yolanda Saldivar's
niece.

399
00:24:17,543 --> 00:24:22,112
Not very many people know that
I am Yolanda Saldivar's niece.

400
00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:25,289
So, because I don't share
the same last name with Yolanda,

401
00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:28,771
I have friends to today
that don't know

402
00:24:28,815 --> 00:24:31,078
that I'm related
to Yolanda Saldivar.

403
00:24:31,121 --> 00:24:33,689
This is my first time that
I've ever been on,

404
00:24:33,733 --> 00:24:39,303
really, on camera to --
to say my truths.

405
00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:42,698
I don't feel comfortable
coming forward now.

406
00:24:42,742 --> 00:24:44,352
But I feel that
it's a necessity.

407
00:24:44,395 --> 00:24:49,139
At this point, Yolanda has spent
nearly 29 years in prison.

408
00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:53,187
Um, and in one year,
can be eligible for parole.

409
00:24:54,841 --> 00:24:56,973
In these boxes, there is a story

410
00:24:57,017 --> 00:25:02,022
of Selena
and Yolanda's relationship.

411
00:25:02,065 --> 00:25:04,415
As a family, we are putting
together

412
00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:08,550
the pieces of this puzzle
so that we can show the public

413
00:25:08,594 --> 00:25:12,598
that there is more to this story
than what they have been told.

414
00:25:12,641 --> 00:25:16,297
♪♪

415
00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:22,651
♪♪

416
00:25:22,695 --> 00:25:24,566
This is not a simple case
of murder.

417
00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:25,959
This is what this proves.

418
00:25:26,002 --> 00:25:27,613
-It wasn't a person
that just said, "Hey,

419
00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:29,528
I -- I wanna get rid
of you and..."

420
00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:31,007
-Correct.

421
00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:37,623
My aunt Elida spent the
majority of her life

422
00:25:37,666 --> 00:25:41,670
just gathering anything
and everything that she could

423
00:25:41,714 --> 00:25:45,065
so that she could put together

424
00:25:45,108 --> 00:25:51,593
the pieces of this puzzle
to tell Yolanda's story.

425
00:25:51,637 --> 00:25:56,076
-This is her legacy, and this
is what she's did all her life:

426
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,383
gather all the information that
nobody else wanted to gather.

427
00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:02,082
-My mom wasn't one
who wasn't afraid

428
00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:05,476
to -- to put her face out there
to defend her baby sister,

429
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,872
to show the world
that she's not like

430
00:26:09,916 --> 00:26:11,352
what they say,
that she's a monster.

431
00:26:11,395 --> 00:26:13,354
'Cause she's not.

432
00:26:15,008 --> 00:26:17,097
-For a very long time,
the family,

433
00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:22,581
we've never came out ourselves
to say this is what happened.

434
00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:24,626
We know what happened.

435
00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,149
We know how Yolanda is,

436
00:26:26,193 --> 00:26:29,065
the kind of person
that Yolanda is.

437
00:26:29,109 --> 00:26:31,154
Yolanda was our youngest aunt.

438
00:26:31,198 --> 00:26:35,724
I think vicariously, her nieces
and nephews were kinda, like,

439
00:26:35,768 --> 00:26:38,553
the kids
that she didn't have.

440
00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:42,383
-She was all about putting
other people before herself.

441
00:26:42,426 --> 00:26:45,299
-That's why she went
into nursing.

442
00:26:45,342 --> 00:26:48,432
Yolanda was the first one
in our family to

443
00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:50,391
get a college education.

444
00:26:50,434 --> 00:26:54,743
My grandparents sacrificed
for her to have the ability

445
00:26:54,787 --> 00:26:57,006
to complete her
nursing school.

446
00:26:57,050 --> 00:27:00,662
With that, Yolanda felt
a responsibility

447
00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:02,316
to our family.

448
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,755
And so, um, if there is things
that we were into

449
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:11,325
or that we wanted to do,
she would do it with us.

450
00:27:11,368 --> 00:27:13,980
-Yeah, most of these pictures
I have never seen.

451
00:27:14,023 --> 00:27:17,157
-That's at the Selena
fan club things that we did.

452
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,288
-Yeah.

453
00:27:18,332 --> 00:27:21,465
-My cousins really liked
Tejano music.

454
00:27:21,509 --> 00:27:23,163
They liked Selena.

455
00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:26,209
When Selena would play at venues
that were,

456
00:27:26,253 --> 00:27:28,081
you know, family friendly,

457
00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:30,605
Yolanda would take my cousin,
Maria,

458
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,694
and my cousin, Barbie,
and their friends.

459
00:27:32,738 --> 00:27:37,525
And so, my cousins talked about,
we should do a fan club.

460
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:39,875
That's what kind of
prompted Yolanda,

461
00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:42,399
and she decided to start
the fan club for us.

462
00:27:42,443 --> 00:27:46,795
At the beginning of the fan club
as a family, we all helped out.

463
00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:48,318
-These were all great times.

464
00:27:48,362 --> 00:27:50,364
You know, the fan club,
the shirts.

465
00:27:50,407 --> 00:27:53,280
I remember the pencils,
the -- I remember the houses

466
00:27:53,323 --> 00:27:57,153
being cluttered
with Selena stuff.

467
00:27:57,197 --> 00:28:00,461
-The Saldivar family,
they did a lot for Selena.

468
00:28:00,504 --> 00:28:03,507
We'd always spend a lotta times
at the Saldivar,

469
00:28:03,551 --> 00:28:05,727
uh, ranch having dinner,
and we would,

470
00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:09,078
uh, put all these packages
together for the fan club.

471
00:28:09,122 --> 00:28:11,864
We were doin' it for Selena
because, of course,

472
00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:15,389
Selena didn't have
nobody else to do it.

473
00:28:15,432 --> 00:28:20,655
-That's where the relationship
started, and then that evolved.

474
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:22,657
That evolved into a friendship.

475
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:26,530
Yolanda accompanied Selena for
the filming of one of her videos

476
00:28:26,574 --> 00:28:28,924
and so I think even the family,
to a point,

477
00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:32,101
depended on Yolanda
to be her chaperone.

478
00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:35,496
-Well, I...

479
00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:40,893
I was running the fan club,
and one day in July of '94,

480
00:28:40,936 --> 00:28:44,374
I believe, um, Abraham called me
and said,

481
00:28:44,418 --> 00:28:47,638
"Yolanda, we would like
for you to --

482
00:28:47,682 --> 00:28:51,077
to see if you can go
with Selena go -- to go to LA

483
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,861
because she's going
to be filming, uh,

484
00:28:52,905 --> 00:28:53,993
'Bidi Bidi Bom Bom'

485
00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:55,385
but none of us
can go with her.

486
00:28:55,429 --> 00:28:56,865
Somebody has to go with her."

487
00:28:56,909 --> 00:28:59,302
And, um, so I went.

488
00:28:59,346 --> 00:29:01,914
That's when the friendship
started solidifying

489
00:29:01,957 --> 00:29:04,699
very, very close.

490
00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,788
We did a bunch of things.
We'd go to the park.

491
00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:11,314
We would go to the movies
and, um, just hang out.

492
00:29:11,358 --> 00:29:15,318
And we'd go to the clubs
and she loved that.

493
00:29:17,146 --> 00:29:21,194
She just wanted someone
that she could depend on,

494
00:29:21,237 --> 00:29:24,110
and she knew I was there
to do her work.

495
00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:30,377
-They -- They talk about, like,
she was obsessed and yada, yada,

496
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:32,031
but to me, this just, like,

497
00:29:32,074 --> 00:29:34,816
shows they were
really good friends.

498
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:36,687
You know what I mean?
Like...

499
00:29:36,731 --> 00:29:41,040
Beyond just being a friend
and an employee,

500
00:29:41,083 --> 00:29:44,304
she became her companion
and her confidante.

501
00:29:44,347 --> 00:29:49,788
Yolanda was protecting
some of Selena's secrets,

502
00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:52,442
and not just some secrets
that maybe the family

503
00:29:52,486 --> 00:29:55,576
didn't want out,
but secrets from the family.

504
00:29:55,619 --> 00:29:59,362
She just became dependable
like, you know, to Selena.

505
00:29:59,406 --> 00:30:02,931
And so I think with that
dependency came,

506
00:30:02,975 --> 00:30:06,630
you know,
them even getting closer.

507
00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:08,589
-They were best buds.

508
00:30:08,632 --> 00:30:10,852
They were pals.
They did everything together.

509
00:30:10,896 --> 00:30:13,463
They went to the mall together.
They went shopping together.

510
00:30:13,507 --> 00:30:15,770
Yolanda's nickname was
"Buffy."

511
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:19,948
-The word "Buffy" is something
that, like,

512
00:30:19,992 --> 00:30:21,820
in our little group, Selena,

513
00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:25,258
Suzette, me, some girls
that we met through --

514
00:30:25,301 --> 00:30:27,521
just through them
that became our friends...

515
00:30:27,564 --> 00:30:29,088
-Mm-hmm.
-...like, we would always

516
00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:31,394
call each other Buffy,
like, "Hey, Buffy!"

517
00:30:31,438 --> 00:30:33,875
It's just like, "Hey, buddy,"
like, "Hey, friend."

518
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:37,096
You knew you were
Selena's friend

519
00:30:37,139 --> 00:30:39,620
when she started
calling you "Buffy."

520
00:30:39,663 --> 00:30:44,494
You were part of her
inner circle.

521
00:30:44,538 --> 00:30:46,627
-Selena didn't have
close friendships.

522
00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:49,064
She'd confide to me
a lot of things.

523
00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:52,415
She loved to just speak
what was in her heart,

524
00:30:52,459 --> 00:30:56,898
knowing that I would
keep stuff private.

525
00:30:56,942 --> 00:31:00,902
-When you keep secrets,
it affects any relationship.

526
00:31:00,946 --> 00:31:03,035
It makes it difficult.

527
00:31:03,078 --> 00:31:09,171
On one side, you don't want
to betray your friend.

528
00:31:09,215 --> 00:31:13,001
And telling her husband
or her parents

529
00:31:13,045 --> 00:31:14,655
everything that's going on.

530
00:31:14,698 --> 00:31:19,442
But on the other side,
you want to tell somebody,

531
00:31:19,486 --> 00:31:22,924
because you want to try to
help your friend, right?

532
00:31:22,968 --> 00:31:26,406
So, it changes the dynamics.

533
00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:32,020
-Selena made errors
and made mistakes.

534
00:31:32,064 --> 00:31:33,413
She is a human being.

535
00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:35,937
She made good decisions.
She made bad decisions.

536
00:31:35,981 --> 00:31:40,507
And she wanted and sought
the love of another man.

537
00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:46,165
And I covered that up thinking
that I was doing her right.

538
00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:48,384
And I was not.

539
00:31:48,428 --> 00:31:50,778
And part of it is my fault.

540
00:31:50,821 --> 00:31:52,649
♪♪

541
00:31:55,696 --> 00:32:00,788
♪♪

542
00:32:00,831 --> 00:32:04,574
-I think there is a lot
to glean from Yolanda

543
00:32:04,618 --> 00:32:06,576
and Selena's relationship,
their friendship,

544
00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:09,188
and their business dealings
with each other.

545
00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:11,233
The fact that she's
entrusting some --

546
00:32:11,277 --> 00:32:13,409
a lot of those big
responsibilities to Yolanda

547
00:32:13,453 --> 00:32:15,107
does speak to
how close they are.

548
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,370
Absolutely it does.

549
00:32:17,413 --> 00:32:21,504
-It went from being
the president to being friends

550
00:32:21,548 --> 00:32:24,507
and then growing
that relationship

551
00:32:24,551 --> 00:32:28,729
where there was trust enough
that Selena was like,

552
00:32:28,772 --> 00:32:32,907
"Okay, you know, you did
a good job with the fan club.

553
00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:35,214
Um, I really do trust you,

554
00:32:35,257 --> 00:32:38,347
and so I'm having issues
with my business,

555
00:32:38,391 --> 00:32:41,394
so please help me
with my business."

556
00:32:41,437 --> 00:32:42,873
When she started working
for Selena

557
00:32:42,917 --> 00:32:46,790
shortly after that,
um, Yolanda did resign

558
00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:50,142
as the president
of the Selena fan club.

559
00:32:50,185 --> 00:32:53,145
-When I interviewed Selena
for "Texas Monthly" magazine,

560
00:32:53,188 --> 00:32:56,235
I had to pull stuff out of her
to talk about her music career.

561
00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:57,976
She wanted to talk about
her fashion design

562
00:32:58,019 --> 00:32:59,281
and her boutiques.

563
00:32:59,325 --> 00:33:02,067
Selena's dream was not
to be the next Madonna.

564
00:33:02,110 --> 00:33:03,764
I think she would have
been happy

565
00:33:03,807 --> 00:33:05,505
to achieve
that kind of success.

566
00:33:05,548 --> 00:33:09,030
She was that success-oriented
and driven,

567
00:33:09,074 --> 00:33:13,600
but her dream was the one thing
that she had that was her own --

568
00:33:13,643 --> 00:33:15,384
Selena Etc.

569
00:33:15,428 --> 00:33:17,082
-Right now, they're fixing
to re-sand the floors.

570
00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:19,040
These are the original wooden
floors that were in the home,

571
00:33:19,084 --> 00:33:20,302
the 1940 home.

572
00:33:20,346 --> 00:33:22,261
-Her clothes are
fundamentally something

573
00:33:22,304 --> 00:33:24,480
that is her idea,
her expression,

574
00:33:24,524 --> 00:33:27,875
her way to be 100%
herself on stage.

575
00:33:27,918 --> 00:33:32,532
Selena has this opportunity
to kind of stake her own claim

576
00:33:32,575 --> 00:33:34,316
and have something
that is just hers,

577
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,450
and that's what she wants
to be, Selena Etc.,

578
00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:40,540
a clothing salon,
a clothing line,

579
00:33:40,583 --> 00:33:41,976
a place that women could come

580
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:44,283
and get their hair and nails
done and look beautiful.

581
00:33:44,326 --> 00:33:47,286
-The manicuring station,
you can see them right here,

582
00:33:47,329 --> 00:33:48,678
where they're gonna
be doing nails.

583
00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:51,899
-It was gonna be Selena's line,
Selena's name.

584
00:33:51,942 --> 00:33:55,120
You could go to Selena Etc.
boutiques

585
00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:57,296
in San Antonio or Corpus

586
00:33:57,339 --> 00:34:01,648
and get into Selena's world
on her terms.

587
00:34:01,691 --> 00:34:06,479
Her father, Abraham,
was not her boutique manager.

588
00:34:06,522 --> 00:34:08,176
He didn't -- He didn't help
her out on boutiques.

589
00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:09,395
That was her deal.

590
00:34:09,438 --> 00:34:11,614
And the fashion thing
was her deal.

591
00:34:11,658 --> 00:34:15,575
♪♪

592
00:34:15,618 --> 00:34:18,360
-There was a time where Abraham

593
00:34:18,404 --> 00:34:20,841
told Selena you either
going to have to choose

594
00:34:20,884 --> 00:34:25,672
between your business
or your singing career, and --

595
00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:29,719
and she said I can do both,
I can do both.

596
00:34:29,763 --> 00:34:31,156
You don't own me.

597
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,550
She was on the road to success
for her fashion design

598
00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:35,856
and her perfume design.

599
00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:38,859
She knew it
and he knew it, too.

600
00:34:38,902 --> 00:34:42,689
He was mad that she did not
incorporate him

601
00:34:42,732 --> 00:34:44,647
into her businesses at all.

602
00:34:44,691 --> 00:34:50,044
♪♪

603
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:51,872
-My role at Selena Etc.

604
00:34:51,915 --> 00:34:54,744
was to be
the San Antonio manager.

605
00:34:54,788 --> 00:34:56,529
Meeting Selena the first time,

606
00:34:56,572 --> 00:34:58,705
it didn't feel like
you were meeting, like,

607
00:34:58,748 --> 00:35:01,316
some big star
that you feel so intimidated.

608
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,537
Selena was, like,
really down to earth.

609
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:06,365
-When I'm not performing
or I don't have to do special

610
00:35:06,408 --> 00:35:09,281
TV things,
I like to be like this.

611
00:35:09,324 --> 00:35:10,891
Relaxed, just like anybody else.

612
00:35:10,934 --> 00:35:14,764
-She made it easy for people
to talk to her.

613
00:35:14,808 --> 00:35:17,419
We became friends.

614
00:35:17,463 --> 00:35:20,770
It wasn't like she was like
a superstar to me.

615
00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:23,469
We'd go shopping.
We went to the malls.

616
00:35:23,512 --> 00:35:26,559
We'd go out to eat.
It was just fun girl stuff.

617
00:35:26,602 --> 00:35:32,173
-Selena had these goals
to do fashion and her boutiques,

618
00:35:32,217 --> 00:35:39,006
and the enabler, her helper that
made this possible, was Yolanda.

619
00:35:40,747 --> 00:35:44,577
-Yolanda, I mean, she was kind
of our direct supervisor.

620
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:47,319
Selena felt very comfortable

621
00:35:47,362 --> 00:35:51,758
and trusted Yolanda
enough to ask her

622
00:35:51,801 --> 00:35:53,934
if she would consider
helping her.

623
00:35:58,504 --> 00:36:02,203
This was the boutique
here in San Antonio.

624
00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:04,814
It's a little eerie.

625
00:36:04,858 --> 00:36:07,034
I haven't stepped foot
into this building for

626
00:36:07,077 --> 00:36:08,775
like over 20 years.

627
00:36:11,081 --> 00:36:14,607
This was our main boutique area.

628
00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:20,265
[ Voice breaking ]
And that was my office.

629
00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:24,443
Looks very different.

630
00:36:26,662 --> 00:36:29,796
Just all our hard work
we put into this place.

631
00:36:31,319 --> 00:36:33,191
Like, all the sweat
and tears and,

632
00:36:33,234 --> 00:36:37,586
I mean, that we just
bangin' our heads together

633
00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:42,243
to make sure
that this was successful.

634
00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:46,682
Selena and Yolanda,
the ending of that relationship,

635
00:36:46,726 --> 00:36:52,384
it has, um, overshadowed
some of the precious,

636
00:36:52,427 --> 00:36:56,257
beautiful times
that we had together.

637
00:36:56,301 --> 00:37:00,696
And, like, not just...

638
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:02,655
not times of Selena,

639
00:37:02,698 --> 00:37:05,310
Selena the singer,
but just...

640
00:37:08,182 --> 00:37:10,489
...like, Selena my friend.

641
00:37:12,795 --> 00:37:18,671
I know me -- me -- me talking
and sharing my truths

642
00:37:18,714 --> 00:37:23,197
is going to create a backlash
in my personal life

643
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:28,550
with people now associating me
with my aunt,

644
00:37:28,594 --> 00:37:33,816
which I feel conflicted
because she is my aunt.

645
00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:36,558
I can't tell you that I don't
love her, because I do,

646
00:37:36,602 --> 00:37:40,083
'cause she's a part
of my -- of my family.

647
00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:43,565
It's hard reliving
it all over again,

648
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:45,698
knowing that the end result

649
00:37:45,741 --> 00:37:50,572
is that I've lost two
important people in my life.

650
00:37:50,616 --> 00:37:58,101
-The Yolanda of it all,
it complicates things

651
00:37:58,145 --> 00:38:00,582
because of what Yolanda did.

652
00:38:00,626 --> 00:38:04,760
No one now can have
a neutral perspective

653
00:38:04,804 --> 00:38:09,722
on who Yolanda is
because of what happened.

654
00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:33,006
♪♪

655
00:38:35,443 --> 00:38:39,055
♪♪

656
00:38:39,099 --> 00:38:42,494
-We as human beings,
we love to be told stories.

657
00:38:42,537 --> 00:38:45,018
When we were little,
that's how they brought us up,

658
00:38:45,061 --> 00:38:47,673
and that's how
we understand things.

659
00:38:49,065 --> 00:38:52,199
Most juries, they want to know
why it happened,

660
00:38:52,242 --> 00:38:53,418
how it happened.

661
00:38:53,461 --> 00:38:55,071
Your job as a prosecutor
is to assimilate

662
00:38:55,115 --> 00:38:56,856
everything
that's being given to you

663
00:38:56,899 --> 00:39:00,163
and put it in such a way
that it makes sense.

664
00:39:02,818 --> 00:39:04,385
And it's gotta be
a complete story.

665
00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:07,693
It can't just be the --
the day of the murder.

666
00:39:07,736 --> 00:39:10,086
This is how a murder starts

667
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:13,829
and how it's prepared
and how it's committed.

668
00:39:13,873 --> 00:39:18,007
We call that the anatomy
of a murder.

669
00:39:19,574 --> 00:39:22,925
Sometimes you can go back as far
as two or three years before.

670
00:39:22,969 --> 00:39:25,537
In this case against
Yolanda Saldivar,

671
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:28,191
we only went back a few months.

672
00:39:29,802 --> 00:39:34,372
In early January of 1995,
Mr. Quintanilla,

673
00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:37,070
Selena's father, started
getting phone calls

674
00:39:37,113 --> 00:39:40,552
from members of the fan club
who said

675
00:39:40,595 --> 00:39:43,772
that they weren't getting
what they were paying for.

676
00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:47,559
-Yolanda Saldivar, she was
the fan club president,

677
00:39:47,602 --> 00:39:48,908
so Mr. Quintanilla

678
00:39:48,951 --> 00:39:50,910
who was always into
promotin' Selena

679
00:39:50,953 --> 00:39:53,782
and the band would --
would go to her and say,

680
00:39:53,826 --> 00:39:55,218
"Hey, why am I
getting these calls?"

681
00:39:55,262 --> 00:39:57,743
"Oh, they're just --
they're lyin', Mr. Quintanilla.

682
00:39:57,786 --> 00:39:58,918
They're just saying that.

683
00:39:58,961 --> 00:40:00,789
They want to get
a free membership.

684
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:02,182
They want to get a free picture

685
00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:04,097
or a free poster,"
and stuff like that.

686
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:06,926
But it kept happening.
[ Telephone ringing ]

687
00:40:06,969 --> 00:40:10,103
He -- He kept getting
phone calls and letters.

688
00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:12,627
He knew something was fishy.

689
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:15,282
-During the investigation
into the books at the boutiques,

690
00:40:15,325 --> 00:40:17,589
we found a lot of checks
that were made

691
00:40:17,632 --> 00:40:20,592
by Yolanda Saldivar
to Yolanda Saldivar,

692
00:40:20,635 --> 00:40:21,984
signed by Yolanda,

693
00:40:22,028 --> 00:40:23,812
and not just one check,
two checks.

694
00:40:23,856 --> 00:40:26,293
There were thousands of dollars
of checks

695
00:40:26,336 --> 00:40:28,991
deposited in her account.

696
00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:32,821
-Abraham and Selena's sister,
Suzette,

697
00:40:32,865 --> 00:40:34,475
thought somethin'
should be done, I guess,

698
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:35,781
and then
they bring Selena in.

699
00:40:35,824 --> 00:40:38,436
I think Selena was the last one
to be convinced.

700
00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:41,308
-On the evening of March 9th,

701
00:40:41,351 --> 00:40:45,181
Mr. Quintanilla called a meeting
with Yolanda Saldivar.

702
00:40:45,225 --> 00:40:53,102
♪♪

703
00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:13,819
-So that's Abraham calling
Yolanda for that meeting

704
00:41:13,862 --> 00:41:15,298
that everybody talks about.

705
00:41:15,342 --> 00:41:19,520
Like, they were gonna talk
to her about embezzling

706
00:41:19,564 --> 00:41:24,569
and the fan club
and all that good stuff, right?

707
00:41:24,612 --> 00:41:26,048
-That's crazy.

708
00:41:27,397 --> 00:41:30,662
-Once again, Abraham Quintanilla
asked Yolanda

709
00:41:30,705 --> 00:41:32,315
about the fan club.

710
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:34,404
Why people were saying
they're not getting anything.

711
00:41:34,448 --> 00:41:38,060
Yolanda Saldivar had no,
uh, explanation.

712
00:41:39,932 --> 00:41:45,024
-Fans would send in letters,
their fan club fee.

713
00:41:45,067 --> 00:41:48,854
A package was put together
and w-would be sent to them,

714
00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:52,379
so when that --
that letter came in,

715
00:41:52,422 --> 00:41:55,034
whoever was in charge
of the fan club

716
00:41:55,077 --> 00:41:58,385
should've processed that.

717
00:41:58,428 --> 00:42:01,127
I was not even part of
the fan club anymore.

718
00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:03,303
I was not even president
of the fan club.

719
00:42:03,346 --> 00:42:07,916
I was working for her
as her employee.

720
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,052
-He showed Yolanda
all the checks and told her,

721
00:42:13,095 --> 00:42:17,752
"Yolanda, we -- I know
that you're stealing money."

722
00:42:17,796 --> 00:42:20,276
And Yolanda had no explanation.

723
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,412
-Selena's sister Suzette told me
that durin' this confrontation,

724
00:42:25,455 --> 00:42:28,720
that Yolanda Saldivar
would -- would talk to

725
00:42:28,763 --> 00:42:31,374
Mr. Quintanilla
to refute the claims,

726
00:42:31,418 --> 00:42:34,029
but she'd always be, like,
lookin' over at Selena for help.

727
00:42:34,073 --> 00:42:36,205
And Selena was just...

728
00:42:37,946 --> 00:42:39,469
Yolanda was lookin'
for a lifeline

729
00:42:39,513 --> 00:42:41,254
and Selena wasn't
throwin' it to her.

730
00:42:41,297 --> 00:42:43,691
Selena wanted her
to answer those questions.

731
00:42:43,735 --> 00:42:46,607
And Suzette told me that was
one of the first times

732
00:42:46,651 --> 00:42:49,697
that she thought Selena was
really believin' this stuff,

733
00:42:49,741 --> 00:42:51,264
that somethin' was goin' on

734
00:42:51,307 --> 00:42:54,223
because Selena had always
come to her defense before.

735
00:42:56,312 --> 00:42:59,707
-Abraham accused me
stealing from her businesses,

736
00:42:59,751 --> 00:43:03,015
yelling and screaming at me,
"Money is missing."

737
00:43:03,058 --> 00:43:07,672
And -- And -- And I kept asking,
"Show me what you're saying.

738
00:43:07,715 --> 00:43:09,412
Show me the date.
Show me."

739
00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:12,111
And, "No, I've got it
right here."

740
00:43:12,154 --> 00:43:14,069
They wouldn't let me talk.

741
00:43:15,897 --> 00:43:18,726
But Selena,
she was there defending me.

742
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:22,643
Abraham and Suzette were just
yelling and screaming,

743
00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:24,297
calling me
all kinds of names.

744
00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:28,257
And -- And she would stand up,
she'd say, "Dad, let her speak!"

745
00:43:28,301 --> 00:43:31,434
And she's like, "Dad,
if you cannot let her talk,

746
00:43:31,478 --> 00:43:32,914
we're leaving."

747
00:43:32,958 --> 00:43:35,656
And it -- it -- it --
they never let me talk.

748
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:37,440
So to them, I was guilty.

749
00:43:38,877 --> 00:43:40,574
-According to Mr. Quintanilla,

750
00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:43,055
Selena,
I think for the first time,

751
00:43:43,098 --> 00:43:44,491
really got into her head

752
00:43:44,534 --> 00:43:48,103
that Yolanda was doing
something improper,

753
00:43:48,147 --> 00:43:51,150
uh, so I think
the -- the connection there

754
00:43:51,193 --> 00:43:54,327
between Yolanda
and Selena was broken.

755
00:43:56,068 --> 00:43:57,330
Mr. Quintanilla told Yolanda,

756
00:43:57,373 --> 00:43:59,158
"Get outta here.
Don't ever come back."

757
00:43:59,201 --> 00:44:00,986
-"You cannot come on
the property anymore."

758
00:44:01,029 --> 00:44:03,728
Like, issuing a criminal
trespass warning.

759
00:44:03,771 --> 00:44:08,384
And when she left, they thought
it was pretty much done with.

760
00:44:08,428 --> 00:44:10,517
-But the embezzlement
investigation

761
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,868
is what really started
everything in the direction

762
00:44:13,912 --> 00:44:17,002
that resulted
in the death of Selena.

763
00:44:17,045 --> 00:44:20,048
♪♪

764
00:44:20,092 --> 00:44:22,311
-To them, I was guilty.

765
00:44:22,355 --> 00:44:27,142
But they'd never proven me that
I stole a single cent from her.

766
00:44:27,186 --> 00:44:32,060
If I was an embezzler,
like he claimed,

767
00:44:32,104 --> 00:44:35,803
why didn't he ever
press charges on me?

768
00:44:35,847 --> 00:44:38,937
He didn't because
he never had that evidence.

769
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:47,206
-The whole story was the motive
was that she was stealing,

770
00:44:47,249 --> 00:44:49,469
she got caught,
I gotta kill Selena.

771
00:44:49,512 --> 00:44:53,255
Everything was planned once
she was fired for embezzlement.

772
00:45:02,134 --> 00:45:05,180
-They're saying that she
embezzled from Selena's company.

773
00:45:05,224 --> 00:45:07,269
There's no way she embezzled
from Selena's company

774
00:45:07,313 --> 00:45:10,316
because I worked
at Selena's company.

775
00:45:10,359 --> 00:45:14,494
There was weeks that we didn't
even have money to pay payroll.

776
00:45:14,537 --> 00:45:16,975
And we didn't have money
to pay payroll

777
00:45:17,018 --> 00:45:19,455
not because Yolanda
was stealing money

778
00:45:19,499 --> 00:45:20,630
or anybody was stealing money.

779
00:45:20,674 --> 00:45:22,937
We didn't have money
to pay payroll

780
00:45:22,981 --> 00:45:25,461
because salaries were high.

781
00:45:25,505 --> 00:45:28,508
Secondly, we had no customers.

782
00:45:28,551 --> 00:45:33,600
How is Yolanda gonna steal money
from a boutique or a business

783
00:45:33,643 --> 00:45:39,258
that isn't even making
any money or making any profit?

784
00:45:40,955 --> 00:45:42,565
-When I started working for her,

785
00:45:42,609 --> 00:45:47,832
I -- I had no idea
what I was walking into.

786
00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:49,703
I had no idea.

787
00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:51,139
I came to work for her,

788
00:45:51,183 --> 00:45:56,797
and I was doing
what she asked me to do.

789
00:45:56,841 --> 00:45:58,016
Selena was stubborn.

790
00:45:58,059 --> 00:45:59,278
She said, "I know what
you're doing,

791
00:45:59,321 --> 00:46:00,714
because you're showing me.

792
00:46:00,758 --> 00:46:02,411
We went to NationsBank

793
00:46:02,455 --> 00:46:04,979
and -- and even the president
of NationsBank warned Selena,

794
00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:07,721
"Look, Selena, your --
your businesses are crumbling.

795
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:09,679
Your -- Your creditors
are calling me.

796
00:46:09,723 --> 00:46:11,725
Your payroll checks
are bouncing.

797
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:13,553
You don't have any money
in the bank."

798
00:46:13,596 --> 00:46:15,990
And -- And --
And she would tell me,

799
00:46:16,034 --> 00:46:18,340
"Yolanda, we have
to do something

800
00:46:18,384 --> 00:46:20,386
to make my businesses work."

801
00:46:37,751 --> 00:46:39,535
-[ Laughs ]

802
00:46:39,579 --> 00:46:42,016
Let's make it $90,000, then.
It sounds better.

803
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:43,801
-I would say
it was several thousand.

804
00:46:43,844 --> 00:46:48,849
I -- I -- It probably was in
between $30,000 and $90,000.

805
00:46:48,893 --> 00:46:50,503
And there might have been more

806
00:46:50,546 --> 00:46:53,898
because we stopped at a certain
point during the investigation.

807
00:46:53,941 --> 00:46:55,203
-I don't know.

808
00:46:55,247 --> 00:46:57,379
Uh, I mean, I used my --
the sources that I used,

809
00:46:57,423 --> 00:46:59,207
I'd have to go back
and look at my source.

810
00:46:59,251 --> 00:47:01,296
But everything was sourced.

811
00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:05,561
But, again, you're dealing
with a subject

812
00:47:05,605 --> 00:47:07,563
that is shrouded in legend,

813
00:47:07,607 --> 00:47:12,873
so it was really hard sometimes
to put real figures on things

814
00:47:12,917 --> 00:47:15,397
like what was the amount
of the embezzlement.

815
00:47:27,105 --> 00:47:28,584
-I think it's part of, like,

816
00:47:28,628 --> 00:47:31,500
the generational divide
in talking about Selena

817
00:47:31,544 --> 00:47:35,635
is that for people like my
parents and my older cousins,

818
00:47:35,678 --> 00:47:38,290
they remember more distinctly,

819
00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:40,379
oh, she was stealing
tens of thousands of dollars

820
00:47:40,422 --> 00:47:42,381
from Selena,
whatever figure it was.

821
00:47:42,424 --> 00:47:43,817
Because it was in
the tabloid coverage.

822
00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:45,775
It was in the zeitgeist
at that time.

823
00:47:45,819 --> 00:47:49,954
After that, it's just kind of
gotten a little bit more vague.

824
00:47:49,997 --> 00:47:54,654
-According to the police,
the whole motive was that she...

825
00:47:54,697 --> 00:47:56,351
-She stole money.
-...she stole money.

826
00:47:56,395 --> 00:47:58,310
When there was nothing.

827
00:47:58,353 --> 00:47:59,920
-There wasn't.

828
00:47:59,964 --> 00:48:02,053
But they needed this meeting

829
00:48:02,096 --> 00:48:04,316
and this motive
to prosecute her.

830
00:48:04,359 --> 00:48:06,405
-Yes.
-She's never even been

831
00:48:06,448 --> 00:48:07,797
ever prosecuted
for embezzlement.

832
00:48:07,841 --> 00:48:09,234
-No, no.

833
00:48:11,889 --> 00:48:14,630
-The prosecution,
it never proved in court

834
00:48:14,674 --> 00:48:16,502
that I was stealing anything,

835
00:48:16,545 --> 00:48:18,504
and even
the District Attorney

836
00:48:18,547 --> 00:48:22,203
said they never had evidence to
charge me with embezzlement

837
00:48:22,247 --> 00:48:25,163
because I think it didn't exist.

838
00:48:25,206 --> 00:48:28,644
Abraham was gonna carry
that narrative

839
00:48:28,688 --> 00:48:32,083
no matter what,
and there was no way,

840
00:48:32,126 --> 00:48:38,611
no room for me to even say
what really was happening.

841
00:48:40,178 --> 00:48:41,831
-The embezzlement investigation,

842
00:48:41,875 --> 00:48:43,877
it was never presented
to a grand jury

843
00:48:43,921 --> 00:48:46,967
because it wasn't
necessary in the end.

844
00:48:47,011 --> 00:48:50,449
During the trial, it's --
it's not really embezzlement

845
00:48:50,492 --> 00:48:51,841
that we need to prove.

846
00:48:51,885 --> 00:48:54,496
What we need to prove
is that Mr. Quintanilla

847
00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:57,195
thought that there was
embezzlement going on.

848
00:48:57,238 --> 00:48:58,674
We were alleging
Mr. Quintanilla

849
00:48:58,718 --> 00:49:02,330
thought she was doing
something illegal, improper,

850
00:49:02,374 --> 00:49:04,071
that there was money missing.

851
00:49:04,115 --> 00:49:07,509
And based on that, he decided
to confront Yolanda Saldivar.

852
00:49:08,728 --> 00:49:13,515
The actual confrontation started
the whole domino effect.

853
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,518
One domino falls and another
one falls and another,

854
00:49:16,562 --> 00:49:20,348
and that resulted
in the death of Selena.

855
00:49:20,392 --> 00:49:24,265
He pushed over the first domino
at that meeting.

856
00:49:27,703 --> 00:49:35,102
♪♪

857
00:49:35,146 --> 00:49:38,932
-In prosecuting cases, we have
to look at everything carefully.

858
00:49:38,976 --> 00:49:43,241
We do need to show the jury
why this started,

859
00:49:43,284 --> 00:49:47,245
especially the -- the actions
after Yolanda Saldivar

860
00:49:47,288 --> 00:49:49,551
was accused
of stealing from Selena.

861
00:49:51,162 --> 00:49:57,429
After the March 9th meeting,
Yolanda goes to a gun store

862
00:49:57,472 --> 00:50:00,780
in San Antonio
and buys the gun.

863
00:50:00,823 --> 00:50:07,091
♪♪

864
00:50:07,134 --> 00:50:10,007
-She goes to a place to shoot
in San Antonio,

865
00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:13,793
and she files what's called
an intent to purchase a gun.

866
00:50:13,836 --> 00:50:16,970
In Texas, we have a three-day
waiting list.

867
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:19,712
Comes back three days later
on Monday,

868
00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:22,845
and pays the balance of the gun.

869
00:50:22,889 --> 00:50:27,502
When you buy a gun, you're not
gonna go deliver daisies.

870
00:50:27,546 --> 00:50:30,505
Why would Yolanda Saldivar
need a gun?

871
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:32,246
There's a reason you buy a gun.

872
00:50:32,290 --> 00:50:34,857
You got it for hunting.
You buy it for self-defense.

873
00:50:34,901 --> 00:50:37,773
Or you buy it to kill somebody.

874
00:50:39,688 --> 00:50:42,778
-I went and -- and --
and I bought the gun.

875
00:50:42,822 --> 00:50:45,216
It was after
the March 9th meeting.

876
00:50:45,259 --> 00:50:48,262
I didn't feel safe.

877
00:50:48,306 --> 00:50:49,916
It was my own self-defense.

878
00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:53,963
That if anything came my way,
I was going to protect myself.

879
00:50:54,007 --> 00:50:56,531
I was fearful.

880
00:50:56,575 --> 00:51:00,840
-Selena wanted her
financial documents,

881
00:51:00,883 --> 00:51:02,363
that Yolanda had access to.

882
00:51:02,407 --> 00:51:04,496
Yolanda had all these documents

883
00:51:04,539 --> 00:51:07,716
that Selena needed
to prepare her income tax.

884
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,762
As long as she
has that information,

885
00:51:09,805 --> 00:51:12,939
Selena has to go
through Yolanda to get it.

886
00:51:12,982 --> 00:51:17,509
-And so, Yolanda Saldivar
would hold onto these records

887
00:51:17,552 --> 00:51:21,556
because she knew
that was her link to Selena.

888
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,038
-Yolanda's world is,
she's with Selena.

889
00:51:25,082 --> 00:51:29,521
If that ends, what happens to --
Yolanda just goes back

890
00:51:29,564 --> 00:51:32,393
to being a registered nurse
in San Antonio.

891
00:51:32,437 --> 00:51:37,050
Her whole world
as she knows it ends.

892
00:51:37,094 --> 00:51:39,008
Yolanda's not gonna
let that happen.

893
00:51:41,228 --> 00:51:43,404
Selena's in Corpus Christi,

894
00:51:43,448 --> 00:51:45,885
and Selena calls Yolanda
and tells her, uh,

895
00:51:45,928 --> 00:51:48,148
"I need those records, you need
to bring them to me, Yolanda.

896
00:51:48,192 --> 00:51:51,630
That's -- That -- This is it.
No more playing around, no more.

897
00:51:51,673 --> 00:51:54,546
I'm going to the police.
I'm gonna file a lawsuit."

898
00:51:54,589 --> 00:51:57,244
And Yolanda agreed
to come to Corpus.

899
00:51:57,288 --> 00:51:59,203
-On the 30th, Yolanda Saldivar,

900
00:51:59,246 --> 00:52:02,031
checks into the Days Inn
about 7:30 at night.

901
00:52:02,075 --> 00:52:05,600
-The following morning,
Friday, March 31st,

902
00:52:05,644 --> 00:52:09,517
I believe that Yolanda
calls Selena.

903
00:52:09,561 --> 00:52:11,563
Yolanda says, "I've got
those documents, Selena.

904
00:52:11,606 --> 00:52:13,608
I've -- Just come in
and pick 'em up,

905
00:52:13,652 --> 00:52:16,829
and I'll -- I --
that's the end of this."

906
00:52:16,872 --> 00:52:22,226
So, Selena, I think, makes
the biggest mistake of her life.

907
00:52:22,269 --> 00:52:25,838
She goes into the room
with Yolanda Saldivar.

908
00:52:25,881 --> 00:52:35,195
♪♪

909
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,980
-We started our investigation
that night.

910
00:52:38,024 --> 00:52:39,939
Once the crime scene
is under control,

911
00:52:39,982 --> 00:52:42,985
that's when investigators
will come in,

912
00:52:43,029 --> 00:52:45,118
just start talkin' to people,
askin' questions.

913
00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:47,860
If they were here, what did
they see, what do they know.

914
00:52:47,903 --> 00:52:49,470
Went from witness to witness
to witness,

915
00:52:49,514 --> 00:52:52,169
trying to put -- put the story
together of what happened.

916
00:52:52,212 --> 00:52:58,610
♪♪

917
00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:01,830
-We know what happened here
at the doorway

918
00:53:01,874 --> 00:53:05,704
was that the shooting happened
right here on the threshold.

919
00:53:05,747 --> 00:53:07,793
We know that because
there was no blood

920
00:53:07,836 --> 00:53:10,665
on the inside
of the -- of the room.

921
00:53:10,709 --> 00:53:12,798
All the blood was located here

922
00:53:12,841 --> 00:53:15,235
and on the wall
or on the door here.

923
00:53:15,279 --> 00:53:18,673
-I'm not sure that any witnesses
said they heard an argument,

924
00:53:18,717 --> 00:53:20,806
but they definitely
heard the gunshot.

925
00:53:20,849 --> 00:53:23,765
And then a young woman
ran out of that room.

926
00:53:23,809 --> 00:53:28,770
-Selena is running away
across this little grassy area.

927
00:53:28,814 --> 00:53:31,991
She drops her briefcase
and some folders.

928
00:53:32,034 --> 00:53:34,863
Now, the folks over here
are watching all of this,

929
00:53:34,907 --> 00:53:38,650
and they testified that
they saw Yolanda Saldivar

930
00:53:38,693 --> 00:53:41,000
come out of the door
with her gun

931
00:53:41,043 --> 00:53:44,221
and point it
outstretched at Selena.

932
00:53:44,264 --> 00:53:47,876
-According to our best witness,
Yolanda comes out

933
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,269
and she points the gun at Selena

934
00:53:49,313 --> 00:53:51,663
'cause Selena's gone
by this time, running.

935
00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:54,100
She brings the gun down,
and she says, "Bitch!"

936
00:53:57,451 --> 00:53:59,061
-And there was a trail of blood

937
00:53:59,105 --> 00:54:02,151
leadin' from the pool
to the office.

938
00:54:02,978 --> 00:54:06,808
You can tell, generally, that's
Selena's path of evasion,

939
00:54:06,852 --> 00:54:08,375
where she's running from.

940
00:54:08,419 --> 00:54:13,075
I recall from the evidence
that Selena runs into the lobby.

941
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,643
She runs to the front desk
and says, "Help me.

942
00:54:15,687 --> 00:54:17,689
Help me.
I've been shot."

943
00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:21,693
I think she either tells
the front desk clerk

944
00:54:21,736 --> 00:54:23,869
or some other lady
workin' in there

945
00:54:23,912 --> 00:54:26,828
to "lock the door because
she's after me, she's after me."

946
00:54:26,872 --> 00:54:29,309
From the police report,
I think one of the staff said,

947
00:54:29,353 --> 00:54:31,398
"Who shot you, ma'am?
Who shot you?"

948
00:54:31,442 --> 00:54:33,400
And she said, "Yolanda Saldivar.

949
00:54:33,444 --> 00:54:35,794
Room 158."

950
00:54:39,276 --> 00:54:42,366
-That was the last words
she said.

951
00:54:42,409 --> 00:54:46,718
This beautiful voice
that had brought joy

952
00:54:46,761 --> 00:54:50,591
and still bringing joy
to so many people,

953
00:54:50,635 --> 00:54:51,940
the last thing
she said on Earth was,

954
00:54:51,984 --> 00:54:54,334
"Yolanda Saldivar.
Room 158."

955
00:54:56,728 --> 00:55:00,253
-I am so sorry she's gone.

956
00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:04,257
I'm so sorry that it --
all her family is hurting.

957
00:55:04,301 --> 00:55:06,912
And I'm so sorry
my family has hurt.

958
00:55:06,955 --> 00:55:09,958
I'm sorry the fans have hurt.

959
00:55:10,002 --> 00:55:15,050
At no point did I meant
to harm anyone.

960
00:55:15,094 --> 00:55:17,575
-I can still remember
the day it happened.

961
00:55:17,618 --> 00:55:18,619
-Like...
-Yeah.

962
00:55:18,663 --> 00:55:20,926
-I was in eighth grade.

963
00:55:20,969 --> 00:55:24,756
Uh, kids that had radios,
they were listening to in class.

964
00:55:24,799 --> 00:55:27,324
They had heard it already
on the radio.

965
00:55:27,367 --> 00:55:29,151
And I --
-Did you know it was Yolanda?

966
00:55:29,195 --> 00:55:30,370
-No.

967
00:55:30,414 --> 00:55:31,545
-I was at work.

968
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:32,981
I'll never forget.

969
00:55:33,025 --> 00:55:36,028
They called me and said,
"There was an incident,

970
00:55:36,071 --> 00:55:40,859
and your aunt
and Selena were involved."

971
00:55:40,902 --> 00:55:44,384
And Selena had died.

972
00:55:44,428 --> 00:55:47,300
And I just...I cried.

973
00:55:47,344 --> 00:55:50,129
All the way home,
I cried, to our house.

974
00:55:50,172 --> 00:55:52,087
I cried.
-It's crazy cause

975
00:55:52,131 --> 00:55:53,611
I still remember it
like it was yesterday.

976
00:55:53,654 --> 00:55:54,960
-Me, too.
-It's crazy.

977
00:55:55,003 --> 00:55:57,136
-It's something -- it's
something that's there

978
00:55:57,179 --> 00:55:59,094
because it's --
it's so tragic that it --

979
00:55:59,138 --> 00:56:00,444
that it...
-It doesn't go away.

980
00:56:00,487 --> 00:56:02,315
-...doesn't go away.
-Doesn't go away.

981
00:56:02,359 --> 00:56:04,012
-Yeah.

982
00:56:04,056 --> 00:56:06,798
-If only the tape in
Abraham Quintanilla's hands

983
00:56:06,841 --> 00:56:09,801
could mend their hearts,
torn apart, apparently,

984
00:56:09,844 --> 00:56:12,717
at the hands
of Yolanda Saldivar.

985
00:56:26,992 --> 00:56:30,082
-Yolanda Saldivar,
after she was arrested,

986
00:56:30,125 --> 00:56:32,345
she was taken to
the police department

987
00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:33,999
where she was questioned,

988
00:56:34,042 --> 00:56:35,870
and she gave a statement
in writing

989
00:56:35,914 --> 00:56:37,698
and says that she's
the one who --

990
00:56:37,742 --> 00:56:39,483
who killed Selena.

991
00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:44,749
-Myself and another
investigator, Paul Rivera,

992
00:56:44,792 --> 00:56:49,014
no relation, were the primary
investigators on the case.

993
00:56:49,057 --> 00:56:51,538
We met Yolanda goin'
into the interview room

994
00:56:51,582 --> 00:56:53,671
there at
the police department.

995
00:56:53,714 --> 00:56:54,976
She agreed to talk to us.

996
00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:56,935
She answered the questions
that eventually

997
00:56:56,978 --> 00:56:58,676
became her written statement.

998
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,679
Yolanda told me Selena met her
sometime that morning

999
00:57:01,722 --> 00:57:05,334
to go over the business records
from Selena's fan club.

1000
00:57:05,378 --> 00:57:10,949
She told us that there was some
type of argument over monies

1001
00:57:10,992 --> 00:57:13,908
and that Selena was gonna
talk to her father,

1002
00:57:13,952 --> 00:57:15,301
discuss it with her father,

1003
00:57:15,344 --> 00:57:17,912
possibly get
the police involved.

1004
00:57:17,956 --> 00:57:19,523
And Yolanda did not want her
to leave,

1005
00:57:19,566 --> 00:57:21,568
tried to keep her
from leavin' the room at first.

1006
00:57:21,612 --> 00:57:24,919
Selena was leavin' the room,

1007
00:57:24,963 --> 00:57:26,747
that's when Yolanda
says she shot,

1008
00:57:26,791 --> 00:57:29,663
as she was gettin' to the door.

1009
00:57:29,707 --> 00:57:32,536
I did ask her, I says, "Okay,
you say the gun went off.

1010
00:57:32,579 --> 00:57:34,276
Yolanda, I don't think
it was an accident.

1011
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,061
You shot her.
You meant to shoot her."

1012
00:57:36,104 --> 00:57:38,716
And in Spanish, it came out,
fue de coraje,

1013
00:57:38,759 --> 00:57:40,500
it was out of anger, rage.

1014
00:57:40,544 --> 00:57:43,590
I'll always remember she told me
she shot her in anger.

1015
00:57:43,634 --> 00:57:45,897
What she signed
is what she said.

1016
00:57:59,345 --> 00:58:03,436
-The story behind the confession
is that, uh, police work

1017
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,133
is awfully funky

1018
00:58:05,177 --> 00:58:08,441
when you just don't record
a confession straight on,

1019
00:58:08,485 --> 00:58:12,053
but you transcribe
and write down notes,

1020
00:58:12,097 --> 00:58:16,405
and we never hear the full audio
of what actually went on.

1021
00:58:16,449 --> 00:58:21,933
That methodology leaves so
much room for interpretation.

1022
00:58:24,413 --> 00:58:26,981
-When they got me
in the interrogating room,

1023
00:58:27,025 --> 00:58:31,812
Paul Rivera was upset
and he said,

1024
00:58:31,856 --> 00:58:33,945
"I been out here
since this morning,

1025
00:58:33,988 --> 00:58:36,251
and it's almost midnight.

1026
00:58:36,295 --> 00:58:38,819
I need for you to tell me
what happened.

1027
00:58:38,863 --> 00:58:42,823
We're hungry, and we need
to get going."

1028
00:58:42,867 --> 00:58:44,869
He was trying to intimidate me.

1029
00:58:44,912 --> 00:58:48,742
And he says, "You -- You went
to that hotel to kill her.

1030
00:58:48,786 --> 00:58:51,658
You went to..."
No. No.

1031
00:58:51,702 --> 00:58:53,965
I was -- I was in the hotel.

1032
00:58:54,008 --> 00:58:55,575
I was asleep.

1033
00:58:55,619 --> 00:58:57,011
I didn't go to the crime scene.

1034
00:58:57,055 --> 00:59:01,581
She came at 8:00
in the morning to my room.

1035
00:59:01,625 --> 00:59:04,105
And I-I -- I was --
I was telling him all this,

1036
00:59:04,149 --> 00:59:05,933
and he was writing.

1037
00:59:05,977 --> 00:59:08,240
I was there telling him,
"Well, no, no.

1038
00:59:08,283 --> 00:59:10,111
You -- You -- You're writing
that wrong.

1039
00:59:10,155 --> 00:59:12,070
It didn't happen like that."
And he said, "No, no.

1040
00:59:12,113 --> 00:59:15,116
This is what happened
because we have evidence."

1041
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,771
And so when he said, "Okay,
I need for you to sign

1042
00:59:17,815 --> 00:59:20,469
your initials right here,
right here, right here.

1043
00:59:20,513 --> 00:59:24,299
You need to sign this
'cause we need to go home."

1044
00:59:24,343 --> 00:59:25,605
No.

1045
00:59:25,649 --> 00:59:27,694
I said, "This is -- This is not
my confession.

1046
00:59:27,738 --> 00:59:29,087
This is yours."

1047
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:30,654
And he wouldn't let go of that.

1048
00:59:30,697 --> 00:59:35,484
And he kept pandering me
and pandering me over and over

1049
00:59:35,528 --> 00:59:38,923
until I just signed it.

1050
00:59:38,966 --> 00:59:40,881
Just to get it over with, yes.

1051
00:59:40,925 --> 00:59:45,016
♪♪

1052
00:59:45,059 --> 00:59:47,148
-To hear a defendant say
that I was coerced,

1053
00:59:47,192 --> 00:59:49,847
they beat it out of me,
they forced it out of me,

1054
00:59:49,890 --> 00:59:51,588
it's not unusual at all.

1055
00:59:51,631 --> 00:59:54,286
But I go back to what she --
she did tell me,

1056
00:59:54,329 --> 00:59:55,853
that she shot her outta anger.

1057
00:59:55,896 --> 00:59:57,550
That's not an accident.

1058
00:59:59,117 --> 01:00:01,249
-Just based on the evidence,
facts of the case,

1059
01:00:01,293 --> 01:00:04,862
the facts as we know them,
what witnesses testified to,

1060
01:00:04,905 --> 01:00:06,211
all those things,
you put together

1061
01:00:06,254 --> 01:00:09,083
and that was
very important for us

1062
01:00:09,127 --> 01:00:11,869
in explaining to a jury
this was not an accident.

1063
01:00:11,912 --> 01:00:13,218
She pointed it

1064
01:00:13,261 --> 01:00:16,221
and intentionally
pulled the trigger.

1065
01:00:18,876 --> 01:00:22,706
I believe after they're
in the room by themselves,

1066
01:00:22,749 --> 01:00:26,057
that's when Yolanda
starts asking Selena

1067
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:28,450
to keep her on board,
to not fire her,

1068
01:00:28,494 --> 01:00:31,584
to let her continue working.

1069
01:00:31,628 --> 01:00:34,500
I believe that it gets to
a point where Selena says,

1070
01:00:34,543 --> 01:00:37,895
"We're not only no longer
working together,

1071
01:00:37,938 --> 01:00:40,375
we're not even friends."

1072
01:00:40,419 --> 01:00:44,989
When that happens is when
Yolanda knows it's over.

1073
01:00:45,032 --> 01:00:48,688
According to her, that's when,
uh, she brings the gun out.

1074
01:00:48,732 --> 01:00:50,472
She tried one --
one last thing.

1075
01:00:50,516 --> 01:00:53,432
She put the gun to her head
to try to convince Selena.

1076
01:00:53,475 --> 01:00:56,609
Selena immediately turns around
and she says, "I'm out of here."

1077
01:00:58,611 --> 01:01:01,875
As she opens the door
to the outside,

1078
01:01:01,919 --> 01:01:08,273
Yolanda brings the gun down
and shoots one time.

1079
01:01:10,884 --> 01:01:12,886
She says it was an accident.

1080
01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:14,888
As the jury listened to hours of
audio tapes today

1081
01:01:14,932 --> 01:01:17,848
We heard Saldívar tell
police negotiators

1082
01:01:17,891 --> 01:01:19,850
she only pulled out the gun to

1083
01:01:19,893 --> 01:01:21,939
show Selena she was on the verge
of suicide

1084
01:01:22,766 --> 01:01:24,942
A quickly devised alibi or the
truth?

1085
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,119
-There always is a defense.

1086
01:01:28,162 --> 01:01:29,555
Whenever somebody
kills somebody,

1087
01:01:29,598 --> 01:01:32,558
it's either self-defense,
it's an accident.

1088
01:01:32,601 --> 01:01:35,735
I think she was just trying
to avoid the consequences

1089
01:01:35,779 --> 01:01:37,824
of what she had done.

1090
01:01:37,868 --> 01:01:39,652
If you listen to the recording,

1091
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:41,915
Yolanda Saldivar hadn't
brought up the word

1092
01:01:41,959 --> 01:01:43,787
"accident" during
the negotiations.

1093
01:01:43,830 --> 01:01:46,354
She hadn't -- She didn't
bring it up herself.

1094
01:01:46,398 --> 01:01:48,792
It was sort of suggested to her.

1095
01:01:59,803 --> 01:02:01,543
-She didn't even say
the word "accident"

1096
01:02:01,587 --> 01:02:04,024
until they were three
or four hours into the tape,

1097
01:02:04,068 --> 01:02:06,679
and only because Larry Young
had mentioned, like,

1098
01:02:06,723 --> 01:02:08,855
"Oh, you know,
accidents happen.

1099
01:02:08,899 --> 01:02:10,335
Guns can go off on accident."

1100
01:02:10,378 --> 01:02:12,076
And -- And no-- nothin'
against Larry Young.

1101
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:14,861
He was tryin' to keep her
from committin' suicide, right?

1102
01:02:14,905 --> 01:02:16,558
He's tryin' to save a life.

1103
01:02:16,602 --> 01:02:19,736
And so that idea
got in her mind,

1104
01:02:19,779 --> 01:02:21,868
and it was pretty clear,
you listen to the tapes,

1105
01:02:21,912 --> 01:02:23,522
it was like, boom.

1106
01:02:42,976 --> 01:02:44,586
-The prosecutors were not there.

1107
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:47,241
I mean, when you talk to someone
and you can't see them,

1108
01:02:47,285 --> 01:02:49,113
you have to listen
to their voice.

1109
01:02:49,156 --> 01:02:53,334
You have to listen to exactly
how they're saying something,

1110
01:02:53,378 --> 01:02:56,337
the words they choose,
and if you're just listening

1111
01:02:56,381 --> 01:02:59,079
to a recording or you're
standing back somewhere else

1112
01:02:59,123 --> 01:03:00,559
and maybe not even hearing it

1113
01:03:00,602 --> 01:03:03,954
directly means it's totally
taken differently.

1114
01:03:03,997 --> 01:03:06,913
I got the impression
that she was deeply hurt.

1115
01:03:06,957 --> 01:03:08,654
This is her friend.

1116
01:03:10,569 --> 01:03:12,789
-Yolanda was in the truck
sayin', "I shot her,

1117
01:03:12,832 --> 01:03:15,748
I shot her, I shot her, but --
but it was an accident."

1118
01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:17,837
Myself and Paul Rivera
had had a hard time believing'

1119
01:03:17,881 --> 01:03:19,317
that right off the bat

1120
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,493
because she had the pistol
to her head supposedly.

1121
01:03:21,536 --> 01:03:23,712
The pistol never went off.

1122
01:03:23,756 --> 01:03:25,497
-And she had it cocked.

1123
01:03:25,540 --> 01:03:27,804
And she was concentrating
on something else,

1124
01:03:27,847 --> 01:03:29,893
concentrating on talking
to the police,

1125
01:03:29,936 --> 01:03:32,286
fiddling with the radio,
doing a bunch of things,

1126
01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:34,854
and it never
accidentally discharged.

1127
01:03:34,898 --> 01:03:37,248
She never accidentally
pulled the trigger.

1128
01:03:37,291 --> 01:03:40,425
-Guns don't magically go off
by themselves.

1129
01:03:40,468 --> 01:03:42,906
I mean, it was clear to me
that it was no accident.

1130
01:03:42,949 --> 01:03:44,646
It was no accident at all.

1131
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:49,913
♪♪

1132
01:03:51,088 --> 01:03:52,785
-Yes, it -- I-I heard it.

1133
01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:55,570
I heard it go off.

1134
01:03:55,614 --> 01:03:58,051
-And how did you react?
-It startled me.

1135
01:03:58,095 --> 01:04:00,880
It startled me.

1136
01:04:00,924 --> 01:04:03,056
I did not know when my gun
went off,

1137
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,189
I did not know
that it hit her

1138
01:04:05,232 --> 01:04:07,147
because I thought
that she just ran.

1139
01:04:07,191 --> 01:04:09,019
Like, it scared me,
it scared her.

1140
01:04:09,062 --> 01:04:11,673
[ Gunshot ]

1141
01:04:11,717 --> 01:04:16,113
All I can say is that
there was never,

1142
01:04:16,156 --> 01:04:23,076
ever any intention
to do her any harm.

1143
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:29,082
-When Yolanda says, "It went off
without me really trying to,"

1144
01:04:29,126 --> 01:04:31,302
I honestly believe her.

1145
01:04:31,345 --> 01:04:33,782
-I've never had
any doubt in her.

1146
01:04:33,826 --> 01:04:36,176
Like, for it
to have been intentional?

1147
01:04:36,220 --> 01:04:38,352
Never.

1148
01:04:39,527 --> 01:04:41,790
-Yolanda Saldivar
wasn't pointing

1149
01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:43,444
a glass of water at her.

1150
01:04:43,488 --> 01:04:45,098
She -- She was pointing a gun,
you know?

1151
01:04:45,142 --> 01:04:48,754
So, it's -- it's -- you knew
that somethin' was gonna happen

1152
01:04:48,797 --> 01:04:51,409
by pointin' a gun
at somebody.

1153
01:04:51,452 --> 01:04:54,499
Also, we knew what had
happened before

1154
01:04:54,542 --> 01:04:56,196
and after she shot Selena,

1155
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,416
and we knew
what Yolanda Saldivar

1156
01:04:58,459 --> 01:05:00,505
had done right there
at the scene.

1157
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,291
The fact that you'd call
your best friend a bitch,

1158
01:05:04,335 --> 01:05:06,946
okay, under any circumstances,
right?

1159
01:05:06,990 --> 01:05:12,430
Especially under such horrible
circumstances as shooting them.

1160
01:05:12,473 --> 01:05:14,823
To me indicative
of what's in her mind.

1161
01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:16,521
Evil intent.

1162
01:05:16,564 --> 01:05:19,611
-The state calls the defense
accident theory hogwash.

1163
01:05:19,654 --> 01:05:21,787
Skurka says if it
was an accident,

1164
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:24,529
why did witnesses report
seeing Saldivar chase her

1165
01:05:24,572 --> 01:05:26,835
with the gun
and call her bitch?

1166
01:05:26,879 --> 01:05:31,536
-The prosecution put a lot
of weight on that word "bitch,"

1167
01:05:31,579 --> 01:05:34,626
and basically that was
their whole argument.

1168
01:05:34,669 --> 01:05:36,933
I mean, it's -- this was an act
of vengeance

1169
01:05:36,976 --> 01:05:39,718
and it was, uh,
it was done with intent.

1170
01:05:42,503 --> 01:05:44,418
-No one said bitch in the room.

1171
01:05:46,029 --> 01:05:47,856
No.

1172
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:49,249
No.

1173
01:05:49,293 --> 01:05:52,992
-There was only one witness
who was a hotel maid

1174
01:05:53,036 --> 01:05:57,257
who has claimed that she heard
Yolanda call Selena a bitch.

1175
01:05:57,301 --> 01:06:00,260
But she did not tell police
this the day of the murder.

1176
01:06:00,304 --> 01:06:03,568
There was other maids and other
hotel employees

1177
01:06:03,611 --> 01:06:05,700
at the scene
who have questioned

1178
01:06:05,744 --> 01:06:09,704
if this lady was even
telling the truth.

1179
01:06:09,748 --> 01:06:12,707
-Yolanda
calling Selena "bitch"

1180
01:06:12,751 --> 01:06:16,668
did not quite fit
neatly into the puzzle

1181
01:06:16,711 --> 01:06:20,019
that the prosecution
had constructed.

1182
01:06:20,063 --> 01:06:23,718
There was another piece of the
puzzle that didn't quite fit,

1183
01:06:23,762 --> 01:06:29,333
and Yolanda's defenders believe
completely flips the narrative.

1184
01:06:33,815 --> 01:06:42,911
♪♪

1185
01:06:42,955 --> 01:06:47,699
-A few days after the murder,
a maid cleaning out the room

1186
01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:50,832
found an item in the safe
at the hotel room,

1187
01:06:50,876 --> 01:06:54,749
and as far as Yolanda's
defenders are concerned,

1188
01:06:54,793 --> 01:06:58,710
this element really changes
the whole storyline.

1189
01:07:02,105 --> 01:07:06,805
-Once the room was released,
and -- and by released, I mean

1190
01:07:06,848 --> 01:07:08,328
no -- no longer part
of the crime scene,

1191
01:07:08,372 --> 01:07:12,376
staff from the hotel
came to inventory the room.

1192
01:07:12,419 --> 01:07:14,378
-The purse was found
inside the safe.

1193
01:07:14,421 --> 01:07:17,033
-Right.

1194
01:07:17,076 --> 01:07:21,602
I then contacted Rose Gonzalez
here, the assistant manager.

1195
01:07:21,646 --> 01:07:23,430
Recovered that purse from her.

1196
01:07:23,474 --> 01:07:25,824
Inventoried the contents
of the purse.

1197
01:07:29,523 --> 01:07:31,090
-No.
-No.

1198
01:07:31,134 --> 01:07:32,570
-Identification inside the purse

1199
01:07:32,613 --> 01:07:35,399
showed that the purse belonged
to Yolanda Saldivar.

1200
01:07:35,442 --> 01:07:37,575
This is Ray Rivera's

1201
01:07:37,618 --> 01:07:40,404
listing of the contents
of Yolanda's purse.

1202
01:07:40,447 --> 01:07:43,450
The following were inside the
purse -- a prescription bottle

1203
01:07:43,494 --> 01:07:45,713
for Xanax pills
for Yolanda Saldivar,

1204
01:07:45,757 --> 01:07:49,108
her nurse card,
the letter from the attorney.

1205
01:07:49,152 --> 01:07:52,198
-A letter from a Richard Garza,
an attorney.

1206
01:07:56,246 --> 01:07:59,118
I don't recall.

1207
01:07:59,162 --> 01:08:01,033
The letter itself.

1208
01:08:02,643 --> 01:08:05,037
-Was that
the resignation letter?

1209
01:08:05,081 --> 01:08:07,605
-I don't remember anything about
a resig-- resignation letter.

1210
01:08:11,348 --> 01:08:15,526
-The resignation letter from...

1211
01:08:15,569 --> 01:08:18,877
from -- I -- whose
resignation letter?

1212
01:08:23,142 --> 01:08:24,926
I -- I remember
something like that.

1213
01:08:24,970 --> 01:08:27,015
I -- I -- Yeah, there was
a resignation letter

1214
01:08:27,059 --> 01:08:29,888
written -- I think it was
written by her lawyer.

1215
01:08:30,976 --> 01:08:32,586
-It looks like a draft
of a letter

1216
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:35,372
that was dated March 13th,

1217
01:08:35,415 --> 01:08:39,767
which was a couple of weeks
before the -- the shooting.

1218
01:08:39,811 --> 01:08:43,162
-Mm.
Let me see what these are.

1219
01:08:43,206 --> 01:08:51,170
This was her resignation letter
to Selena on March the 13th.

1220
01:08:51,214 --> 01:08:54,304
And so it says, "It is with
great regret and reservation

1221
01:08:54,347 --> 01:08:55,827
that Ms. Yolanda Saldivar

1222
01:08:55,870 --> 01:08:58,308
submits her employment
resignation from your company,

1223
01:08:58,351 --> 01:08:59,961
Selena Etc."

1224
01:09:00,005 --> 01:09:04,052
-She was resigning, but it was
a formatted legal letter

1225
01:09:04,096 --> 01:09:05,967
from a lawyer,

1226
01:09:06,011 --> 01:09:08,318
but didn't mean
their friendship was over.

1227
01:09:08,361 --> 01:09:10,189
She was just walkin' away
from the business.

1228
01:09:10,233 --> 01:09:12,844
-The other thing that's really
interesting about this letter

1229
01:09:12,887 --> 01:09:16,674
is that at the beginning,
it says,

1230
01:09:16,717 --> 01:09:18,197
"The reason
for her resignation

1231
01:09:18,241 --> 01:09:21,200
isn't that Yolanda didn't
like working for Selena.

1232
01:09:21,244 --> 01:09:22,419
It's because --"

1233
01:09:22,462 --> 01:09:24,203
stated really clearly
in this letter --

1234
01:09:24,247 --> 01:09:28,207
"the day-to-day dealings with
certain members of your family

1235
01:09:28,251 --> 01:09:31,689
has made it impossible
for Ms. Saldivar

1236
01:09:31,732 --> 01:09:35,867
to work for you
or Selena Etc. Inc."

1237
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:38,870
And so this just goes back

1238
01:09:38,913 --> 01:09:41,525
to, what's the story
that we've always heard?

1239
01:09:41,568 --> 01:09:43,222
-Yolanda was fired...
-Correct.

1240
01:09:43,266 --> 01:09:45,355
-...by Selena
and Abraham Quintanilla.

1241
01:09:45,398 --> 01:09:48,836
But this is her resignation
letter to them.

1242
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,316
-Correct.
-Yeah.

1243
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:51,709
-Yolanda was never fired,

1244
01:09:51,752 --> 01:09:53,058
and that's another thing
that the --

1245
01:09:53,101 --> 01:09:54,668
that the public
doesn't understand.

1246
01:09:54,712 --> 01:09:57,062
Like, after
that March 9th meeting,

1247
01:09:57,105 --> 01:10:02,415
Yolanda's really trying to put
distance between her and Selena.

1248
01:10:02,459 --> 01:10:03,764
This should have been something

1249
01:10:03,808 --> 01:10:05,113
talked about over
and over again...

1250
01:10:05,157 --> 01:10:06,550
-Oh, yes.
-...in her trial.

1251
01:10:06,593 --> 01:10:08,508
They knew.
They knew she resigned.

1252
01:10:08,552 --> 01:10:11,294
-Yeah.
-That's crazy.

1253
01:10:11,337 --> 01:10:14,035
-It's not signed by the lawyer,

1254
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:16,429
so I don't even know
if this was ever sent.

1255
01:10:16,473 --> 01:10:18,214
Did Selena ever get this letter?

1256
01:10:18,257 --> 01:10:19,302
-Not that I'm aware of.

1257
01:10:19,345 --> 01:10:20,912
-I don't know if it was sent
or not.

1258
01:10:20,955 --> 01:10:23,654
I don't remember.

1259
01:10:23,697 --> 01:10:26,918
-Oh, this is interesting, too.

1260
01:10:26,961 --> 01:10:31,879
So they say that this was,
like -- this was never sent,

1261
01:10:31,923 --> 01:10:36,275
but I'm looking
at a police statement

1262
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:40,975
that Chris, Selena's husband,
made on April the 5th.

1263
01:10:41,019 --> 01:10:43,587
And in his statement, he says,

1264
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:48,069
"Yolanda went to an attorney,
and the attorney, whose name

1265
01:10:48,113 --> 01:10:52,291
I do not remember, sent some
kind of letter to Selena."

1266
01:10:52,335 --> 01:10:56,817
-"I remember Selena talking
to Yolanda on the phone

1267
01:10:56,861 --> 01:11:00,604
about the letter,
which she got from the attorney.

1268
01:11:00,647 --> 01:11:03,476
Selena felt betrayed
by Yolanda."

1269
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,612
-"Yolanda stayed on the payroll
but would not come around

1270
01:11:08,655 --> 01:11:11,092
to the boutique in Corpus."

1271
01:11:11,136 --> 01:11:12,790
So the D.A.
or whatever, right,

1272
01:11:12,833 --> 01:11:14,095
even though they're saying

1273
01:11:14,139 --> 01:11:15,314
that she didn't get
this letter...

1274
01:11:15,358 --> 01:11:16,968
-Yeah.
-...or they're discrediting

1275
01:11:17,011 --> 01:11:18,665
that it was sent...
-Sent.

1276
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:20,493
-Chris is actually saying...
-He's saying that she got it.

1277
01:11:20,537 --> 01:11:22,016
-...she got it.
-Yeah.

1278
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:23,757
-And she felt betrayed.

1279
01:11:23,801 --> 01:11:25,411
This is crazy.

1280
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:30,764
It took Corpus Christi police
three days

1281
01:11:30,808 --> 01:11:33,680
to figure out
that Yolanda's purse

1282
01:11:33,724 --> 01:11:35,987
was in the safe of the hotel,

1283
01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:38,990
that there was
a resignation letter.

1284
01:11:39,033 --> 01:11:44,822
And then it just boggles my mind
that once they found it,

1285
01:11:44,865 --> 01:11:46,693
that they just dismissed it.

1286
01:11:46,737 --> 01:11:52,482
-It's confusing behavior,
and I don't know why would a cop

1287
01:11:52,525 --> 01:11:54,701
who finds this resignation
letter in the safe

1288
01:11:54,745 --> 01:11:56,660
in Yolanda's hotel room

1289
01:11:56,703 --> 01:12:00,185
not introduce it,
investigate it,

1290
01:12:00,228 --> 01:12:03,057
pursue further lines
of questioning about it.

1291
01:12:03,101 --> 01:12:05,016
-You know, that's --
that's -- that's something

1292
01:12:05,059 --> 01:12:06,322
that really bothers me.

1293
01:12:06,365 --> 01:12:07,888
I mean, I've been a detective
or investigator

1294
01:12:07,932 --> 01:12:12,023
for 40 years and plus.

1295
01:12:12,066 --> 01:12:13,677
What a lotta people
seem to think

1296
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,593
is that a detective's job
is to make a case on someone.

1297
01:12:16,636 --> 01:12:20,031
That's not -- That's not at all
what a detective's job is for.

1298
01:12:20,074 --> 01:12:23,687
A detective's job is to --
is searching for the truth.

1299
01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:26,080
No matter what falls
or how it falls

1300
01:12:26,124 --> 01:12:29,823
or where it points or whatever,
you follow it to wherever it

1301
01:12:29,867 --> 01:12:32,173
takes you for,
in search of the truth.

1302
01:12:32,217 --> 01:12:36,090
This, uh, supplement
to the police report,

1303
01:12:36,134 --> 01:12:38,310
it just really
doesn't say anything.

1304
01:12:38,354 --> 01:12:41,139
It's just, uh, says,
"A letter

1305
01:12:41,182 --> 01:12:43,402
from Richard L. Garza,
attorney," and that's it.

1306
01:12:43,446 --> 01:12:45,273
It's item number 20.

1307
01:12:45,317 --> 01:12:48,842
-Cynically,

1308
01:12:48,886 --> 01:12:52,411
if you want an open-and-shut
murder case,

1309
01:12:52,455 --> 01:12:56,763
why would you introduce things
that are going to complicate

1310
01:12:56,807 --> 01:13:00,898
a very straightforward narrative
of a disgruntled employee

1311
01:13:00,941 --> 01:13:06,904
by bringing up said disgruntled
employee's resignation letter

1312
01:13:06,947 --> 01:13:09,559
from weeks before the murder?

1313
01:13:09,602 --> 01:13:16,870
But that's too, like,
conspiracy brain for me.

1314
01:13:16,914 --> 01:13:18,306
I don't know.

1315
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:25,575
-I know she got that letter
'cause I FedEx'ed it to her.

1316
01:13:25,618 --> 01:13:27,620
And -- And she wouldn't
accept it.

1317
01:13:27,664 --> 01:13:31,450
She was, "You will not quit.
Who's gonna do all this?

1318
01:13:31,494 --> 01:13:32,799
You think my father's
gonna do this?

1319
01:13:32,843 --> 01:13:34,148
He's gonna shut it down.

1320
01:13:34,192 --> 01:13:35,541
He doesn't want it
in the first place.

1321
01:13:35,585 --> 01:13:37,674
Who's gonna -- I'm gonna lose
all of this."

1322
01:13:37,717 --> 01:13:41,765
And we were having
a disagreement on all of that.

1323
01:13:41,808 --> 01:13:43,419
She didn't want me to leave.

1324
01:13:45,812 --> 01:13:48,336
-If she had resigned
on March 13th,

1325
01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:52,123
this shooting had -- would
never have happened March 31st

1326
01:13:52,166 --> 01:13:53,994
because she would never --
have no access

1327
01:13:54,038 --> 01:13:55,431
to anything with Selena.

1328
01:13:55,474 --> 01:13:58,129
But clearly she didn't
resign at that time.

1329
01:13:58,172 --> 01:14:01,132
-If she really wanted to do
this, as she says,

1330
01:14:01,175 --> 01:14:04,483
if she really wanted to do this,
it would have been very simple.

1331
01:14:04,527 --> 01:14:06,833
She would have just turned
this in to Selena,

1332
01:14:06,877 --> 01:14:08,139
to Mr. Quintanilla,

1333
01:14:08,182 --> 01:14:09,619
and walked away
and never come back

1334
01:14:09,662 --> 01:14:11,969
and Selena would still
be singing today.

1335
01:14:16,626 --> 01:14:22,196
♪♪

1336
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,198
-I-I think
that March 9th meeting

1337
01:14:24,242 --> 01:14:26,549
really made some impression
with Yolanda.

1338
01:14:26,592 --> 01:14:28,333
Something scared her

1339
01:14:28,376 --> 01:14:31,292
that, um, shortly after that,
on the 11th,

1340
01:14:31,336 --> 01:14:35,688
uh, my grandpa and my cousins
go down to Corpus Christi

1341
01:14:35,732 --> 01:14:37,255
with the -- with the trailer

1342
01:14:37,298 --> 01:14:40,388
and -- and bring all of her
stuff back to San Antonio.

1343
01:14:40,432 --> 01:14:43,000
Completely moves out
of her apartment.

1344
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:48,614
This is the tape that was in
Yolanda's answering machine.

1345
01:14:48,658 --> 01:14:51,356
Because she still had the lease
till the end of the month,

1346
01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:53,663
she left her
answering machine there

1347
01:14:53,706 --> 01:14:56,579
and people left messages.

1348
01:14:56,622 --> 01:14:58,102
Let's hear it.

1349
01:15:19,253 --> 01:15:23,606
-That is her orientation
for the job that she'd gotten.

1350
01:15:23,649 --> 01:15:25,782
-This is an orientation.

1351
01:15:25,825 --> 01:15:27,827
So, Yolanda was moving on.

1352
01:15:27,871 --> 01:15:29,525
-She was moving on.

1353
01:15:29,568 --> 01:15:31,265
-So where is the

1354
01:15:31,309 --> 01:15:34,094
"I'm gonna kill you
because you're firing me"

1355
01:15:34,138 --> 01:15:39,230
when somebody left her
a message on her machine

1356
01:15:39,273 --> 01:15:42,886
about starting a nursing
job all over again?"

1357
01:15:42,929 --> 01:15:44,452
-Yes.

1358
01:15:44,496 --> 01:15:48,718
-Yolanda had already starting
making plans to go

1359
01:15:48,761 --> 01:15:50,458
back to her nursing career.

1360
01:15:50,502 --> 01:15:52,765
Yolanda had already been
going to interviews.

1361
01:15:52,809 --> 01:15:56,943
She already had, uh,
a job offered to her.

1362
01:15:56,987 --> 01:15:58,554
That doesn't seem
like somebody

1363
01:15:58,597 --> 01:16:03,341
who is trying to do
everything she can

1364
01:16:03,384 --> 01:16:08,433
to stay in Selena's inner circle
or keep her job with Selena.

1365
01:16:08,476 --> 01:16:11,001
In addition
to the message from --

1366
01:16:11,044 --> 01:16:12,350
from that new employer,

1367
01:16:12,393 --> 01:16:15,658
Selena was also trying
to talk to Yolanda,

1368
01:16:15,701 --> 01:16:18,704
something that the public
hasn't heard before.

1369
01:16:59,876 --> 01:17:08,101
♪♪

1370
01:17:09,799 --> 01:17:18,329
♪♪

1371
01:17:18,372 --> 01:17:19,678
Like, she was my friend.

1372
01:17:19,722 --> 01:17:24,204
Like, that -- that's my friend,
too, you know?

1373
01:17:24,248 --> 01:17:25,728
And she's still calling Yoli,

1374
01:17:25,771 --> 01:17:31,603
and it just reminds me of,
like, how we used to be.

1375
01:17:31,647 --> 01:17:34,519
Like, you know,
nothing like they say.

1376
01:17:34,562 --> 01:17:40,917
And, you know,
that's after the March 9th.

1377
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,183
We know that it's like...

1378
01:17:46,226 --> 01:17:48,881
that Selena was just part of...
-The family.

1379
01:17:48,925 --> 01:17:50,448
-...Yolanda's life.

1380
01:17:50,491 --> 01:17:52,929
And the reason I'm crying
is because it's so heartbreaking

1381
01:17:52,972 --> 01:17:56,236
that Abraham and everybody say

1382
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,327
that it's just --
that they weren't close.

1383
01:18:00,371 --> 01:18:02,590
-Yeah.
-Like...

1384
01:18:02,634 --> 01:18:04,418
I mean, you're hearing
Selena calling her

1385
01:18:04,462 --> 01:18:06,420
and calling her
and calling her, right?

1386
01:18:06,464 --> 01:18:09,380
Selena isn't, "I don't want
nothing to do with you."

1387
01:18:09,423 --> 01:18:11,208
You know what I mean?
Like, and that's --

1388
01:18:11,251 --> 01:18:13,166
and that's what
that's always been portrayed.

1389
01:18:13,210 --> 01:18:14,646
-Yeah.
If you knew this person

1390
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:16,692
was stealing,
you knew they were bad,

1391
01:18:16,735 --> 01:18:18,476
you knew your family
didn't want this --

1392
01:18:18,519 --> 01:18:20,391
this person in your life,
why would you continue --

1393
01:18:20,434 --> 01:18:22,306
-She's not scared.

1394
01:18:22,349 --> 01:18:24,308
Like, it, there's no fear.
-There's no fear there.

1395
01:18:24,351 --> 01:18:25,657
-It's almost like,
"Hey, where are you?

1396
01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:26,876
Where are you?"
-Yeah, "Where are you?"

1397
01:18:26,919 --> 01:18:28,094
-Like, "I need you."

1398
01:18:28,138 --> 01:18:30,053
-She was trying to keep
that friendship.

1399
01:18:30,096 --> 01:18:35,580
-Yeah, but people were trying to
pull them apart from each other.

1400
01:18:37,364 --> 01:18:39,105
-Selena and Yolanda were close.

1401
01:18:39,149 --> 01:18:44,676
They -- They were like sisters,
which if they were that close

1402
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:49,725
and, you know, they continued
working together after Yolanda

1403
01:18:49,768 --> 01:18:56,383
had been accused of embezzling,
then why did she buy that gun?

1404
01:18:56,427 --> 01:18:58,559
Who was that gun for?

1405
01:19:02,825 --> 01:19:05,566
♪♪

1406
01:19:05,610 --> 01:19:07,046
-What is this?

1407
01:19:07,090 --> 01:19:09,832
-Um, some receipts and
documents from A Place to Shoot.

1408
01:19:09,875 --> 01:19:11,877
-This is where
she bought the gun.

1409
01:19:11,921 --> 01:19:14,053
It doesn't make sense
that she would have just

1410
01:19:14,097 --> 01:19:15,402
gone and bought a gun.
-No.

1411
01:19:15,446 --> 01:19:16,490
-Out of the -- Out of the blue.

1412
01:19:16,534 --> 01:19:18,754
-Out of the blue.
-No.

1413
01:19:18,797 --> 01:19:20,843
-Which just shows you
that something scared her.

1414
01:19:20,886 --> 01:19:22,845
It wasn't just
about embezzlement.

1415
01:19:22,888 --> 01:19:24,411
There was something else
going on.

1416
01:19:24,455 --> 01:19:25,891
-There was, yes.
-There was something --

1417
01:19:25,935 --> 01:19:28,067
something vengeful,
something hateful.

1418
01:19:28,111 --> 01:19:29,460
-Something.

1419
01:19:31,723 --> 01:19:34,378
-There was a point,
probably about three-quarters

1420
01:19:34,421 --> 01:19:36,554
of the way through the seven
and a half hours

1421
01:19:36,597 --> 01:19:41,559
where Yolanda wanted to talk
about a lotta things.

1422
01:19:41,602 --> 01:19:44,475
Then she started
talkin' about how she's afraid.

1423
01:19:51,656 --> 01:19:52,875
What she's saying is,

1424
01:19:52,918 --> 01:19:55,660
"I was afraid
of Mr. Quintanilla."

1425
01:19:55,703 --> 01:19:59,925
And, uh, so, I asked,
"Why are you afraid of him?"

1426
01:19:59,969 --> 01:20:03,581
♪♪

1427
01:20:03,624 --> 01:20:07,803
-When I met Abraham,
he was very nice to me

1428
01:20:07,846 --> 01:20:13,069
and very, uh -- uh,
business-like.

1429
01:20:13,112 --> 01:20:17,595
He, at first, confided in me,
trusted in me.

1430
01:20:17,638 --> 01:20:21,425
He would tell me, "I want
you to -- to go with her,

1431
01:20:21,468 --> 01:20:23,906
and I sent you.
I want you to listen to me,

1432
01:20:23,949 --> 01:20:26,430
and I want you to tell her
she cannot do this."

1433
01:20:26,473 --> 01:20:30,477
It was so micromanaged
in her life,

1434
01:20:30,521 --> 01:20:32,001
that she couldn't do anything.

1435
01:20:32,044 --> 01:20:33,785
If I fell out of line

1436
01:20:33,829 --> 01:20:36,744
and took her to the mall,
he would blow up.

1437
01:20:38,137 --> 01:20:40,792
There was constant arguments
between them

1438
01:20:40,836 --> 01:20:43,926
about him controlling her time,

1439
01:20:43,969 --> 01:20:47,886
and there was --
there was this friction there.

1440
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:53,457
Anyone that tried to help her,
uh, that was something

1441
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:56,373
that Abraham
was not gonna tolerate.

1442
01:20:59,942 --> 01:21:04,381
-During the standoff,
Yolanda was blaming Abraham.

1443
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:14,957
And it was very clear
that Abraham was a dark figure

1444
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,873
as far as Yolanda
was concerned.

1445
01:21:32,975 --> 01:21:36,587
-Sending people to harm me,
threatening me,

1446
01:21:36,630 --> 01:21:38,154
what do I do?

1447
01:21:38,197 --> 01:21:40,069
It sounds very authentic.

1448
01:21:40,112 --> 01:21:44,160
I mean, she's not stopping
to think about anything.

1449
01:21:44,203 --> 01:21:46,510
She's just letting it flow.

1450
01:21:47,946 --> 01:21:53,952
-I'm responsible for -- for
buying the gun, but I had fear.

1451
01:21:53,996 --> 01:21:57,695
I was scared,
I was frightened by Abraham.

1452
01:22:03,179 --> 01:22:06,095
I knew his past, and I knew

1453
01:22:06,138 --> 01:22:09,750
that he had confrontations
with other people.

1454
01:22:09,794 --> 01:22:11,970
I just felt like
she couldn't protect me.

1455
01:22:12,014 --> 01:22:16,670
And the only thing I thought
that I could continue

1456
01:22:16,714 --> 01:22:19,108
was if I protected
my own self.

1457
01:22:29,770 --> 01:22:32,512
-I could see how Yolanda
was intimidated by him.

1458
01:22:32,556 --> 01:22:34,514
I was intimidated by him.

1459
01:22:46,744 --> 01:22:49,877
-If you didn't do
what he wanted,

1460
01:22:49,921 --> 01:22:52,750
or he felt
that you did something

1461
01:22:52,793 --> 01:22:55,361
that he didn't want to
with Selena,

1462
01:22:55,405 --> 01:22:57,581
he threw his weight around.

1463
01:22:57,624 --> 01:23:01,411
And I think Abraham's
conflict with Yolanda

1464
01:23:01,454 --> 01:23:07,156
is that she's a force
that's pulling Selena away.

1465
01:23:19,907 --> 01:23:21,605
♪♪

1466
01:23:21,648 --> 01:23:23,955
-There was a lot of things
that was occurring

1467
01:23:23,999 --> 01:23:26,218
that I was helping her
with that Chris,

1468
01:23:26,262 --> 01:23:29,091
nor Abraham, no one knew.

1469
01:23:29,134 --> 01:23:32,007
She lived a life
that people don't know about.

1470
01:23:32,050 --> 01:23:35,793
There was a -- a good side
and a bad side of her.

1471
01:23:35,836 --> 01:23:39,318
But Abraham, he knew
that something was up.

1472
01:23:39,362 --> 01:23:42,147
Well, he knew I know her --
I knew her secrets,

1473
01:23:42,191 --> 01:23:44,628
and he wanted me
to reveal them to him,

1474
01:23:44,671 --> 01:23:46,717
and I would not
betray her on that.

1475
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:51,504
And when I would not,
anger started coming my way.

1476
01:23:51,548 --> 01:23:54,072
That's when the chaos started.

1477
01:24:05,257 --> 01:24:09,174
♪♪

1478
01:24:09,218 --> 01:24:11,176
My tires were slashed.

1479
01:24:11,220 --> 01:24:12,525
My brakes were cut.

1480
01:24:12,569 --> 01:24:14,658
I'd been assaulted.

1481
01:24:14,701 --> 01:24:16,051
-Nothing like
that ever happened.

1482
01:24:16,094 --> 01:24:18,227
There's no proof
other than her word.

1483
01:24:19,532 --> 01:24:20,577
-What is that?

1484
01:24:20,620 --> 01:24:22,666
-The secret love letter.

1485
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:25,190
-How that gun went off --
Yolanda was there.

1486
01:24:25,234 --> 01:24:29,760
She'll give you her story,
but is that the story?