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I was hired in January of '95
with the Pilmar family.
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Howard and Ros Pilmar really needed
someone to help with their son, Philip.
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After I'd been working for them
for over a year,
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I went to work,
I walked back to Philip's room,
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and he was in his school clothes,
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on a made bed, staring at the ceiling.
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And he said,
"Oh, my dad didn't come home last night."
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I could tell he was upset.
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A little bit later,
I was standing in the foyer,
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and Ros just walked in
just with a look of shock on her face.
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I could tell she had been crying.
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She just stood there,
opened her hands, and said,
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"Howard's dead."
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And I remember just thinking,
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"This... This can't be."
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In the 1990s, the murder rate
was off the charts in New York City.
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But to have a businessman that's murdered
in his own business in Midtown Manhattan,
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that's a rare occasion.
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Howard Pilmar
was stabbed 20, 30, 40 times.
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Everybody had a theory.
None of us had an answer.
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It was unsolved, but you never close
an unsolved homicide.
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Every single case
takes a little piece out of your soul.
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You cannot do this job
unless you really care.
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You want to find out the truth.
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That's what detectives do.
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I've always liked
the peek behind the curtain.
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What really happened?
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It's so important for a family
to know who murdered their relative.
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That's my job.
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In New York City, the NYPD...
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This is it.
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1996, I'm the commanding officer
of the Midtown South Detective Squad,
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which is the busiest detective squad
in the city of New York.
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Over 2,000 cases a year.
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Get a call early in the morning,
before I report to work,
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that we have a... a murder
in an office building in Midtown.
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It was a Friday.
Walked to work. It was payday.
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I was in a great mood.
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Doing fabulously in sales
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{\an8}at King Office Supply Company,
Incorporated.
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I think I arrived about 8:20.
I was always early.
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And outside the entrance
to the building on 33rd Street
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was standing an employee
who's never outside.
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He was always in his office.
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He was outside.
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And I asked him,
"Ed, why are you standing here?"
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And he turned to me and said,
"Howard is dead."
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The controller, King's controller,
came in at 5:30 in the morning
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and found Howard's body.
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He immediately went downstairs
and called 911.
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I learned,
when I first got to the crime scene,
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that King was a big office supply
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with a storefront on the first floor,
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and then an employee office
on the fourth floor.
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His body was found
right outside the elevator
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in the reception section
on the fourth floor.
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We have a stab victim.
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There was lots of blood.
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Down the hallway,
there was a sink with blood in it
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that led you to believe
that someone was washing their hands
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or washing the murder weapon.
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I remember...
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the shock of it.
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I remember screaming, "No."
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And at that point
is when they brought the body out,
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Howard's body.
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When I found out that Howard's body
was discovered in the office,
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I was knocked off my feet.
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I felt like I guess any parent would feel
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{\an8}when they heard their child was dead,
especially from a murder.
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I can't even try to express
my... my feelings today.
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Howard and my father,
they worked together every day.
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They were very, very close.
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Howard just turned 40.
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{\an8}They... They looked alike.
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{\an8}You know,
they had the same fun personality.
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Very outgoing, very personable.
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Everybody liked them.
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Howard must have been
four or five years old
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when he came to the store the first time.
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He always wanted to work for my company.
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My partner and I started in
the stationery business March 1st, 1958.
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Office supplies.
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You know, any kind of commercial printing.
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Things of that nature.
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I gave him the business, like, uh,
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five or six months before he was murdered.
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Frank was devastated by, uh, the murder.
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It's unnatural
for a parent to bury a child.
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I can't imagine going through life
and not being a father,
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and not seeing my sons succeed,
and develop, and do what they're doing.
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I wouldn't trade that in for anything.
I mean, I think being a father's probably...
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the most important title I've ever held.
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The sun rose and set...
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In my eyes, Howard...
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...was my whole life.
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We're trying to figure out
what's going on.
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Who do we need to speak to?
Security cameras.
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We did many canvasses.
You do initial canvass that day.
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{\an8}We canvass for weapons,
garbage pails, elevator shafts.
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He still had his cash,
all his personal effects.
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Kinda told us
this wasn't a random robbery.
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Howard was murdered
in the office. Police were there.
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It was very unsettling to even be there.
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The detectives asked me
to look for records of employees
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that might have wished him ill,
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might've hated him,
that he had a dispute with.
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All I found was one person
who... who left in the last few months.
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This guy worked in the copy center,
in the store.
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It was a low-level job.
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It was a lead.
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They pursued it.
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They spoke to other employees about him,
then also spoke to him,
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{\an8}and then saw it was a nonissue there.
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To me, Howard was a great boss.
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When he came into a room, you noticed it.
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He was connected to all of us.
Howard made you feel like family.
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He... He was in the prime...
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the absolute prime of his life.
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A healthy, successful, outgoing...
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A wonderful man.
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To be murdered? Oh, God.
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I went to the last hour
of Howard's autopsy.
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He had over 40 stab wounds.
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Not all were penetrating.
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There was five
that may have been considered fatal enough
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if they were just by themselves.
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There was also a postmortem,
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which is after his heart stops beating,
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after he's legitimately dead,
he's continually getting stabbed.
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This was a fierce,
emotional attack of Howard.
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We go to the funeral service.
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We had detectives inside that were overt.
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We were showing support to the family
by being there.
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But what you're also doing
is looking for some strange interaction
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between anybody, right?
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It could be as simple as a female,
not the wife, losing her mind,
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or two people arguing.
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On top of that,
we were outside the funeral
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filming everybody coming in and out.
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So in case there was something,
we can later go back to the film.
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There were over 1,000 people
at the funeral.
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So it was... it was kind of daunting.
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In the Jewish religion, after the funeral,
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people come and visit
at the house of the person who dies,
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and they pay their respects that way.
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This is called "shiva."
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Howard's wife, Ros, asked
if she could have the shiva at our house
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because it would upset Philip
to have it at their apartment.
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And, naturally, we said yes.
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Philip loved his dad,
and his dad adored him.
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Philip was eight.
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Very, very smart for an eight-year-old.
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He was a really talkative kid,
and happy, and just full of energy.
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To see how Philip changed
after he lost his dad...
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His vibrancy left.
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His chattiness left.
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His confidence was different.
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So all of these things
that I saw in him as a spunky little boy,
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that was all stripped.
That was all taken away from him.
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He was lonely without his dad.
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{\an8}After shiva, Ros comes into the office.
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{\an8}And she brought with her two gentlemen
from a large business products dealer.
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She made an arrangement
to sell them the business.
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She couldn't run the business.
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She didn't know anything
about the stationery business.
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We all were conflicted.
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"She's selling the business?
Oh no. What does that mean?"
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We were close to $1,000,000 a month
in business at that time.
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We had about 15 salesmen.
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Without us, there was no business,
there were no customers.
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And we told them,
"If you buy, we're all leaving."
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Which is how
we bought the business from her.
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Frank explained the dynamics
of the business and who was who.
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'Cause that's part of what you have to do,
understand even how the business works
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and who's responsible for what.
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We interviewed everybody
who had worked for Howard.
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There was 50 to 60 employees
that we interviewed.
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I bet each one of them
was interviewed two to three times.
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That's 180 interviews.
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Detectives,
in their due diligence,
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interviewed all of us twice.
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So the first was a very cursory...
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But the second time,
I think he might have asked me,
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"Did you overhear any arguments?"
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I overheard at 5:30,
the day before we found Howard's body,
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Howard's side
of a brutal, vicious argument
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between he and Ros.
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He was yelling and screaming.
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Howard screamed into the phone,
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"You effin' C-U-N-T."
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I'm sayin' to myself,
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"That's a hard one to come back from
in a marriage."
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{\an8}Ros was the first girl
that Howard ever had,
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if you know what I mean.
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They went to high school together,
and then they moved in together.
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And before I knew it, they got married.
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It was a nice, big Jewish wedding
at that time.
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You know, we made a nice... nice party.
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Howard was very happy.
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I never had an inkling of any... any kind
of, um... problem with his marriage.
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Under any circumstances,
you're looking for more witnesses.
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Spoke to friends, family,
and things become apparent.
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The marriage is not so good.
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We were thinking
maybe there was an affair involved,
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and that would cause motive.
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Who knows
if Howard Pilmar had a girlfriend?
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{\an8}That he said,
"Listen, that's it. We're done."
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{\an8}"I'm married, and you're not...
you're not gettin' the money."
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{\an8}Or whatever it is.
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{\an8}And she didn't snap and stab him?
You don't know that.
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That's why you draw that circle
around the victim
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and find out what was goin' on
in his life at that time
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in order to exclude any possibility that
that's what happened.
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There were a number of females
we identified during the investigation
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that had casual relationships with Howard.
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I don't know that they were sexual,
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but they were something
beyond a little bit more than "hello."
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I heard those same rumors.
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Never saw Howard with anyone else.
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Howard never talked about
being with anyone else.
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No person ever in my eight years there
said to me, "I saw Howard with..."
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So it was a rumor.
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We interviewed these women
and found that he was a flirtatious guy,
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but we came up with nothing.
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Some people get frustrated
following a lead
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that doesn't come to fruition,
that gets shut down.
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But that's actually a very good thing,
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because you don't have to go back to that,
and it can't come back to haunt you later.
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In the investigation of Howard's death,
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we find out
Howard was a very driven individual.
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Frank gives Howard a lot of credit,
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taking the business to new levels.
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Howard was a visionary.
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He put a coffee bar
in an otherwise office supply store.
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Before Starbucks, there was Philip's.
Before anything, there was Philip's.
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There were people out the door,
waiting on line
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to buy the lattes
and cappuccinos and espressos.
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Having a coffee bar in there brought us
an entirely new segment of purchasers.
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It was such a success that he opened up
another one in Carnegie Hall.
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I said, "You'll never find people
in New York City
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walking in the streets, drinking coffee."
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I... I couldn't imagine it,
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but it shows you what I knew
and what Howard knew.
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Howard named the coffee bar
after his son, Philip.
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{\an8}It became "Philip's Coffee Bar."
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It was a family business.
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I worked with his wife, Roslyn,
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on West 56th Street by Carnegie Hall.
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And Ros's brother, Evan,
worked at Philip's Coffee on 33rd Street.
251
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We learned Howard did not like
Roslyn's brother, Evan, very much.
252
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Evan was working in Philip's Coffee
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that was inside King Office Supply.
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As a favor to Ros, Howard hired Evan,
who was unemployed.
255
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So, Ros and Evan
managed both coffee shops.
256
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I started
at Philip's Coffee in '94.
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He started shortly after I did.
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I don't think Howard wanted Evan
to manage the coffee shop.
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Because...
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Uh, you know, it was Howard's, you know?
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And I think Evan was taking...
like, taking charge.
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Like, "This is mine."
You know? But it's not.
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About the time
I started working for the Pilmars,
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Philip said,
"Let's go to the coffee shop."
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When we got there,
Ros was explaining to Evan
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how Howard wanted the pastries
arranged in the case.
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Evan lost it, and he flew open the case,
268
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pulled a tray out, threw it, and said,
269
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"I don't give an eff how Howard wants it."
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That was really shocking.
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Especially that he would act that way
in front of his nephew,
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in front of customers.
273
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And it left a big first impression.
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After the shiva, we had Roslyn
and Evan come in to be interviewed.
275
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We wanted to know Ros's timeline
276
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and Evan's timeline
on the night of the murder.
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They told us that day,
Howard and Evan went to the gym together
278
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to discuss his moving up,
so to speak, in the company.
279
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Evan wanted to make a jump
from the coffee shop
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to sales in the paper company
281
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because the salespeople
could make good money at the time.
282
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Evan was, to me, very unapproachable.
283
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If you talked to him, he would grunt.
284
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He would grunt "hello" or "goodbye."
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It didn't look like
he had a future in our business.
286
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And then
after this meeting at the gym,
287
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Howard and Evan met Roslyn in the office.
288
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Because it was complicated
to work the security there,
289
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Ros did not know how to lock up.
290
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{\an8}That's why Howard came back to lock up.
291
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Evan and Ros left Howard behind to work.
292
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They're the last two that see him alive.
293
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If his wife and brother-in-law
left him at about eight o'clock,
294
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and he was fine,
295
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and then you find him
at 5:00 in the morning,
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who came between 8:00 p.m.
and 5:00 a.m. and did this to him?
297
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Remember, this was a time where
there weren't video cameras everywhere,
298
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and we didn't have, like,
the surveillance in the offices.
299
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We never recovered
the murder weapon.
300
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But the police officer at the scene,
the uniformed police officer,
301
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{\an8}made mentions in his memo book
that Evan had cuts on his left hand,
302
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{\an8}and that he was left-handed.
303
00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:21,595
When a person is stabbed
multiple times like Howard Pilmar was,
304
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blood is like oil,
and it gets on the handle of the knife,
305
00:20:26,308 --> 00:20:31,313
and almost universally
the stabber will end up with injuries
306
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because they can't hold on
to the handle of the knife
307
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'cause it's too slippery.
308
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Evan said it was picking up broken dishes
from a night or two before.
309
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The cuts weren't really consistent
with the story,
310
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but we needed more evidence.
311
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What we hoped to find
was another drop of blood
312
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that was not Howard's.
313
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I remember talking to the ME
that was in charge of the lab,
314
00:20:55,712 --> 00:20:57,130
and he would say to you,
315
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"You could do the DNA test,
but you lose the sample after we do it."
316
00:21:01,009 --> 00:21:03,720
"So you should hold off on this sample
317
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because I think
technology will be advanced,
318
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and we could do the sample better
in the future."
319
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About two months
into the investigation,
320
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we found out that Philip's Coffee
owed $14,500 in state taxes.
321
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$14,000 is really not enough
322
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for most of us
to be motivated to do something.
323
00:21:31,081 --> 00:21:34,376
But it was just something to be aware of,
324
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that there was some financial issue.
325
00:21:38,088 --> 00:21:43,093
And then we find out about
Ros's previous employer
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from '91 to '95.
327
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Uh, she ended up embezzling
like $160,000 in checks from him.
328
00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:54,604
Ros was a dental hygienist,
329
00:21:54,604 --> 00:21:58,150
and she was also taking care
of some of the books for him.
330
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Finding out the marriage is not so good,
331
00:22:02,738 --> 00:22:08,368
finding out
that she owes 14.5 to the state,
332
00:22:08,368 --> 00:22:12,914
160,000 to the dentist.
333
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It's starting to make us
look at things differently.
334
00:22:17,544 --> 00:22:19,921
And the second effect to this
335
00:22:20,422 --> 00:22:23,091
is that when you talk to people
about this money,
336
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the biggest comment she makes is,
337
00:22:25,177 --> 00:22:28,430
"Don't tell Howard.
Don't tell Howard. He'll leave me."
338
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"He'll take Philip away from me."
339
00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:34,644
She inherited $1.2 million
in life insurance.
340
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She inherited the King business,
Philip's Coffee Shop,
341
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:42,736
the apartment that they own
on East 72nd Street,
342
00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:46,073
the summer home in Millerton, New York,
343
00:22:46,573 --> 00:22:50,786
a share of a ski home in Vermont,
and Philip.
344
00:22:53,622 --> 00:22:57,501
And this kinda changes our focus
a little bit more.
345
00:22:59,002 --> 00:23:02,380
Then we learned Howard may have been
looking for a divorce.
346
00:23:02,380 --> 00:23:04,007
And have more than one source
347
00:23:04,007 --> 00:23:07,010
that tells us
he may be looking for a divorce was...
348
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:08,512
Made it very interesting.
349
00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:12,182
If there was a divorce,
350
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Ros wouldn't have wanted
to give up Philip.
351
00:23:15,018 --> 00:23:19,981
Howard wouldn't give up Philip either,
because Philip was everything to Howard.
352
00:23:20,607 --> 00:23:25,779
As time went along, I was convinced
Philip is the reason for the murder.
353
00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:29,199
It had to be Ros.
354
00:23:29,199 --> 00:23:33,453
I... I can't think of anyone else
who had the motive to do that.
355
00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:38,291
Ros told me that her and Evan
were still being questioned,
356
00:23:38,291 --> 00:23:41,461
and that Frank was causing a big stink.
357
00:23:41,461 --> 00:23:44,172
She said,
"Frank doesn't want to talk to me,
358
00:23:44,172 --> 00:23:47,050
and is angry, and thinks I did this."
359
00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:49,886
I just remember thinking
360
00:23:49,886 --> 00:23:55,559
that it was strange that the grandfather
was... was upset with her.
361
00:23:58,145 --> 00:24:02,357
I believed that Evan
had been involved in Howard's death.
362
00:24:02,357 --> 00:24:06,528
I didn't really have that idea
that she was involved at all.
363
00:24:07,821 --> 00:24:10,323
I remember having a conversation with her,
364
00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:15,370
and Ros was saying I had to choose
between her and Philip, and my parents.
365
00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:19,541
And I'm 24 years old.
You're gonna pick your parents.
366
00:24:22,043 --> 00:24:25,547
It was hard for me to understand,
"Why do I have to choose?"
367
00:24:26,047 --> 00:24:30,427
And then, after that conversation,
we never saw her and Philip.
368
00:24:31,595 --> 00:24:35,390
My dad lost his son,
and then he lost his grandson.
369
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:40,061
Not having that ability to see someone
that you know is still living is hard.
370
00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:42,856
And it wasn't Philip's choice.
371
00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:45,275
His mother made that choice for him.
372
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:49,279
Just months after Howard's murder,
373
00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:54,576
Ros stopped the communication
between Philip and me, and us.
374
00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:58,663
It's more than a tragic story.
375
00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:00,916
The whole family's broken up.
376
00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:06,296
I think the sting
of losing contact with the grandchild,
377
00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:08,798
who looks and resembles Howard so much,
378
00:25:08,798 --> 00:25:11,510
has gotta be tremendously hurtful.
379
00:25:13,261 --> 00:25:16,223
I can't imagine the stress
that puts on his family.
380
00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:21,353
I... Howard, myself,
and Philip used to go for breakfast
381
00:25:22,145 --> 00:25:23,563
once a week before school.
382
00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:28,610
We used to go to every Ranger game
and the Yankee games.
383
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:30,737
And I think about that often.
384
00:25:31,738 --> 00:25:36,993
No one knows how it feels
that I can't see my grandson.
385
00:25:36,993 --> 00:25:41,831
Because this is my... my first son's son.
386
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:45,669
And my only son's son.
387
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,012
I was convinced circumstantially
that Evan and Roslyn were involved,
388
00:25:56,012 --> 00:25:57,889
but I knew we needed more.
389
00:25:57,889 --> 00:26:00,183
So we're canvassing a year later.
390
00:26:00,183 --> 00:26:05,146
And on the anniversary of the homicide,
we put up posters
391
00:26:05,146 --> 00:26:09,985
at the scene of the murder
and at the coffee shop on 56th Street.
392
00:26:12,445 --> 00:26:16,491
Very often, murderers come back
to relive that fantasy again
393
00:26:16,491 --> 00:26:18,910
or somehow pay their respects,
394
00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:21,788
or homage to their work a year later.
395
00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:26,626
And the posters were gettin' torn down.
396
00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:31,506
We really saw this as an opportunity.
397
00:26:31,506 --> 00:26:33,300
So we put the posters back up,
398
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:35,969
and then we set up
to observe the location.
399
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,430
And who's tearin' it down?
400
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:43,727
They got a surveillance van,
and they found out that it was...
401
00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:49,232
...Ros's sister and her brother Evan
taking the posters down.
402
00:26:50,775 --> 00:26:54,654
I don't think anyone would like to see
those posters up there,
403
00:26:54,654 --> 00:26:57,699
and you're the one they're looking for,
and you're the murderer.
404
00:26:57,699 --> 00:27:01,161
The reasoning they gave was
it was interfering with business,
405
00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:03,496
which just rocked us.
406
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:08,877
I used to call the police every day.
407
00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:11,129
Sometimes twice a day or more.
408
00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:15,842
One time, Roger Parrino said,
"Frank, listen to this."
409
00:27:15,842 --> 00:27:18,678
"I'll let you know
when we hit the brick wall."
410
00:27:18,678 --> 00:27:21,014
The district attorney
did not want to prosecute.
411
00:27:21,014 --> 00:27:23,600
He didn't have enough evidence.
It was circumstantial.
412
00:27:27,771 --> 00:27:30,523
Three years after
the murder of Howard Pilmar,
413
00:27:30,523 --> 00:27:35,570
the investigation was going on,
414
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:39,908
and I don't think the police felt
like they were getting anywhere.
415
00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,243
But even though
we're looking at Ros for murder,
416
00:27:42,243 --> 00:27:44,037
she embezzled money,
417
00:27:44,037 --> 00:27:46,373
so they arrested her for that.
418
00:27:47,707 --> 00:27:50,627
Maybe they were hoping
to put pressure on her
419
00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:55,340
so she would give up Evan
or admit to something, but she didn't.
420
00:27:56,174 --> 00:27:59,552
Her attorneys timed it so well.
They had to postpone the sentencing once.
421
00:27:59,552 --> 00:28:02,597
By the time she was sentenced,
she had paid everything back.
422
00:28:02,597 --> 00:28:05,058
And so she got probation.
423
00:28:07,477 --> 00:28:10,980
She made payment, and had the money,
'cause she had the insurance policy,
424
00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:14,192
and all these other things
she got from the homicide.
425
00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:17,237
Three years after Howard was murdered,
426
00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:21,950
things had advanced
with technology and DNA.
427
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:27,414
There was a blood drop in between the sink
and where the... the actual body was found.
428
00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:30,834
That drop of blood
ends up turning out to be Evan's.
429
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,962
That was pretty interesting information
to get.
430
00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:35,755
Unfortunately, it leaves an issue,
431
00:28:35,755 --> 00:28:38,842
because that drop could have been
days before the murder, right?
432
00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:40,510
He had access to that location.
433
00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:44,305
This is why domestic violence cases
are so difficult to do.
434
00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:45,682
Because, many times,
435
00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:50,353
your murderer had access to the victim
and the area long before the homicide.
436
00:28:54,274 --> 00:28:59,112
The evidence all directed itself towards
Roslyn Pilmar and her brother Evan.
437
00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:02,907
There was nothing else that came up
that led us in any other direction.
438
00:29:02,907 --> 00:29:03,825
Nothin'.
439
00:29:03,825 --> 00:29:07,662
Your audience is gonna believe
that this is a simple case
440
00:29:07,662 --> 00:29:09,497
based on what they're hearing,
441
00:29:09,497 --> 00:29:11,833
but it's not simple
when it comes to the laws,
442
00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:12,792
and rightfully so.
443
00:29:12,792 --> 00:29:15,920
You have to be able to prove this stuff
beyond a reasonable doubt.
444
00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:19,924
You don't want to make an arrest
unless you're ready to go to court,
445
00:29:19,924 --> 00:29:21,926
go to trial, go to a grand jury.
446
00:29:21,926 --> 00:29:23,928
It was clear to us we needed more.
447
00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:27,724
One day, Parrino came to me.
448
00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:31,186
He said to me,
"Frank, I think we hit that brick wall."
449
00:29:33,396 --> 00:29:36,858
I put this obituary in the New York Times
450
00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:41,070
every year on the anniversary
of Howard's murder.
451
00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:47,118
Maybe someone out there would tell me
what they may know about the case.
452
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:53,374
Even after Parrino was not the lieutenant
in charge of the murder anymore,
453
00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:58,713
I still called Midtown South
practically every day.
454
00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:01,216
I wouldn't let go.
455
00:30:03,593 --> 00:30:07,347
My father felt
that one day it was gonna be solved.
456
00:30:07,347 --> 00:30:10,308
This is what got him up
out of bed every day.
457
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:12,977
You know,
"The case is gonna be solved one day."
458
00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:15,897
"We're gonna pray.
The case is gonna get solved."
459
00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,567
{\an8}Just dealing with it, that Howard is dead...
460
00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:24,781
and the murderers walk around free.
461
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:26,950
It's a gnawing ache.
462
00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:33,414
All these years, you know,
we'd go out to dinner with friends,
463
00:30:33,414 --> 00:30:36,709
and they just wanted to hear what's new.
464
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:40,380
They were looking for information
about the case.
465
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:41,881
I used to sit down and say,
466
00:30:41,881 --> 00:30:44,592
"Is it possible
they could get away with this?"
467
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:04,404
In 2013,
I was serving with the Marine Corps
468
00:31:04,404 --> 00:31:05,947
{\an8}as a civilian advisor.
469
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:13,329
After 9/11, I think survival guilt
from September 11th
470
00:31:13,329 --> 00:31:16,165
is what motivates me
to go to the Middle East
471
00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:18,626
for seven years and five deployments.
472
00:31:18,626 --> 00:31:21,963
During my last deployment,
I got a call telling me
473
00:31:21,963 --> 00:31:25,258
that they were gonna reopen
the Howard Pilmar case.
474
00:31:25,258 --> 00:31:27,844
There's very few cases
I continue to think about
475
00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:29,512
because they're unsolved,
476
00:31:29,512 --> 00:31:31,472
but this was the number one one.
477
00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:36,769
I think every single detective
on the face of the earth has a case
478
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:40,023
{\an8}that has eluded them
for some reason or another,
479
00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:44,277
and it becomes the Moby Dick
of their careers.
480
00:31:44,944 --> 00:31:48,031
And so you always think about it.
481
00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:50,617
Lots of times, people don't like
Cold Case to get involved.
482
00:31:50,617 --> 00:31:52,619
They're afraid they're gonna
criticize your case.
483
00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:53,911
I wasn't concerned about that.
484
00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:59,125
In 2013, I was retired from
the police department about three years,
485
00:31:59,125 --> 00:32:03,379
and was working at the New York County
District Attorney's office
486
00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:07,216
as the Deputy Chief Investigator
for the Trial Division.
487
00:32:07,216 --> 00:32:11,220
Rob Mooney is
one of the smartest detectives ever.
488
00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:14,724
He was called in just to,
you know, give advice or direction.
489
00:32:17,644 --> 00:32:19,437
When they called me
in Afghanistan,
490
00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:21,939
I thought it was great
that the Pilmar case was alive,
491
00:32:21,939 --> 00:32:24,067
and somebody was gonna
give it a fresh look.
492
00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:29,739
I remember explaining
how the evidence all directed itself
493
00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:32,867
towards Roslyn Pilmar
and her brother Evan.
494
00:32:34,243 --> 00:32:36,162
In cold case work,
495
00:32:36,162 --> 00:32:39,624
you can't focus on
what was focused on originally,
496
00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:41,626
because that didn't end the right way.
497
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:45,380
So you gotta look at everything
right from the start.
498
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,841
If we were close-minded in some way
and missed something,
499
00:32:48,841 --> 00:32:50,843
then let's find out the truth.
500
00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:53,471
I think it's great
that new eyes look at it.
501
00:32:54,097 --> 00:32:55,515
The case was in good hands.
502
00:33:01,729 --> 00:33:03,815
One day, Liz called me
503
00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:07,443
and told me
that she was working on the case.
504
00:33:07,944 --> 00:33:10,988
The first time that I met Liz Lederer,
505
00:33:10,988 --> 00:33:13,866
we were in her office full of cartons,
506
00:33:13,866 --> 00:33:15,910
and they all said "Pilmar" on it.
507
00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:18,621
I know she was working very, very hard
at the case.
508
00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:23,292
There was so much you had to do
before you got to even solving it.
509
00:33:24,585 --> 00:33:28,005
You have to read every piece of paper.
You gotta look at every video.
510
00:33:28,005 --> 00:33:30,550
You gotta talk to every single person
you can find.
511
00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:32,093
We kept going through boxes.
512
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:37,432
There's one scrap of paper
that had the name Arnold Brewer on it.
513
00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:38,933
We tracked him down.
514
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,145
He was a really close friend of Howard's.
515
00:33:42,895 --> 00:33:45,481
Howard Pilmar was
supposed to meet his friend Arnold Brewer
516
00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:48,860
and go watch the NCAA, and didn't show up.
517
00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:50,778
He said, "Howard told me
518
00:33:50,778 --> 00:33:52,822
he was going to the gym
with his brother-in-law,
519
00:33:52,822 --> 00:33:54,574
but he'd come straight after."
520
00:33:55,283 --> 00:33:58,703
Evan Wald and Ros Pilmar
had both told the police
521
00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:02,498
that Evan and Howard
got back from the gym at about 8:00 p.m.
522
00:34:02,498 --> 00:34:05,209
Howard was gonna stay
in the office and work.
523
00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:10,840
Turns out that Arnold Brewer
had a date with Howard that very night,
524
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,258
that very moment.
525
00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:15,470
So Howard wasn't gonna stay and work.
526
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:19,474
Arnold Brewer closed that window
for the murder
527
00:34:19,474 --> 00:34:22,769
into just the smallest timeframe.
528
00:34:23,436 --> 00:34:26,981
We learned during the investigation,
the night of the murder,
529
00:34:26,981 --> 00:34:32,153
Ros called Howard in the office
and left him a voicemail.
530
00:34:33,362 --> 00:34:36,491
Hi, How.
It's, um, like, a quarter to ten,
531
00:34:36,491 --> 00:34:39,577
and Philip and I were wondering
if you were still at work working,
532
00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:42,789
or if you went off to some sports bar,
like you said you wanted to,
533
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:44,791
to go watch the NCAAs.
534
00:34:44,791 --> 00:34:49,212
Anyway, I got home,
I guess, by, like, uh, 8:10, 8:15.
535
00:34:49,212 --> 00:34:52,465
Give me a call. Let me know
what time you're gonna be home.
536
00:34:52,465 --> 00:34:57,011
She lays out in so much more detail
than you would ever leave for somebody
537
00:34:57,011 --> 00:35:00,973
that you had just spoken to
and you expect to see in half an hour.
538
00:35:00,973 --> 00:35:04,685
I remember hearing the voice message.
Once you start looking at everything...
539
00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:07,855
Any one thing
is not good enough by itself.
540
00:35:07,855 --> 00:35:11,484
You start attaching
all the circumstantial evidence together,
541
00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:13,528
and it really lays out one path,
542
00:35:14,028 --> 00:35:16,989
to Evan and Roslyn
killing Howard that night.
543
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:20,576
After looking at all the evidence
544
00:35:20,576 --> 00:35:23,663
and talking to so many
of Howard's friends,
545
00:35:23,663 --> 00:35:27,208
we were sure that Ros Pilmar
and Evan Wald did it.
546
00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:34,298
Ron Tucker hears Howard
cursing at his wife. He's furious at her.
547
00:35:34,298 --> 00:35:36,300
That's at, like, 5:30.
548
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,470
I mean, calling her all sorts of names.
549
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:41,848
The same night, she leaves the message.
550
00:35:41,848 --> 00:35:46,018
And she ends it with, "Love ya, Howie."
551
00:35:49,397 --> 00:35:54,485
And there's something so calculated
about that voice message.
552
00:35:54,485 --> 00:35:57,446
She knows what she's doing
is leaving a piece of evidence.
553
00:35:57,446 --> 00:36:00,324
It will show that I missed him.
I thought he was alive.
554
00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:02,160
I called him and said I love you.
555
00:36:02,785 --> 00:36:07,915
Given the timing of it,
Howard was already dead on the floor.
556
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:15,715
Ros created this whole story.
557
00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:19,927
She created the whole scenario
so that Howard could be killed.
558
00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:21,929
Without her, it never would have happened.
559
00:36:21,929 --> 00:36:25,474
Ros had planned it
that she would get the life insurance,
560
00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:29,979
the businesses, the summer house,
the interest in the ski house.
561
00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:32,982
She would get sole custody of their son.
562
00:36:32,982 --> 00:36:35,693
But after it became clear to us,
563
00:36:35,693 --> 00:36:39,447
then it became clear
we needed to be able to prove it in court.
564
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,410
Evan had the cuts,
and Evan's blood is at the scene,
565
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:47,955
and we have 100 people
who know how much Evan hates Howard.
566
00:36:47,955 --> 00:36:51,292
What we needed to find
was evidence that tied Ros to it
567
00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:53,544
so that we could charge them both.
568
00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:56,589
Ms. Lederer said to me,
569
00:36:56,589 --> 00:37:01,302
"I know we're gonna get Evan,
but I can't promise anything about Ros."
570
00:37:01,302 --> 00:37:04,347
But I felt very confident with her.
571
00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:10,645
We realized
the only person left was the babysitter.
572
00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:14,857
And I said,
"We have to find that babysitter."
573
00:37:14,857 --> 00:37:18,027
Allyson Lewis lived inside that family.
574
00:37:18,027 --> 00:37:20,529
She knew how things usually ran,
575
00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:24,825
and she could answer things for us
that we wouldn't have known.
576
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:29,789
We, as the detectives, spoke to
the babysitter early in the investigation
577
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:33,334
and didn't feel
that we got a great amount of cooperation.
578
00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:39,382
I think, at the time,
she was a very young woman, and, uh...
579
00:37:39,382 --> 00:37:45,888
perhaps was not thinking clearly
about the ramifications.
580
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:53,813
As a 21-year-old,
to be questioned by police, it was scary.
581
00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:57,233
I was really just answering
their questions to the best I could.
582
00:37:57,233 --> 00:38:00,027
The questions were primarily about Howard,
583
00:38:00,027 --> 00:38:03,239
and I didn't have
a lot of interactions with Howard.
584
00:38:04,281 --> 00:38:10,538
And then I got a job in Japan
and ended up leaving the country.
585
00:38:10,538 --> 00:38:13,249
I didn't stay in contact with Ros.
586
00:38:13,874 --> 00:38:15,668
Twenty years later, I get a phone call.
587
00:38:15,668 --> 00:38:19,839
And I was like, "Whoa, gosh."
588
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:24,969
And she says, "I'd like to talk to you
about the murder of Howard Pilmar."
589
00:38:25,636 --> 00:38:29,265
Allyson Lewis said she wanted
to meet us at the office of her lawyer.
590
00:38:29,265 --> 00:38:32,143
I wondered what she thought
she might have done wrong
591
00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:36,897
that she wanted, um...
she wanted to have a lawyer there.
592
00:38:36,897 --> 00:38:39,692
But when she came in, she was lovely.
593
00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:41,819
She just spilled her heart out.
594
00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:44,447
And it was fascinating.
595
00:38:44,447 --> 00:38:47,658
It just gave us a glimpse
into a world we wouldn't have known.
596
00:38:48,409 --> 00:38:53,247
When I met them,
Liz asked me, "What was it usually like?"
597
00:38:53,247 --> 00:38:56,125
"Tell me about a week in the life."
598
00:38:56,125 --> 00:38:58,085
"Tell me about their house."
599
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,009
For the Pilmars, and for Philip,
everything was a regimented schedule.
600
00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:06,093
So, tight.
601
00:39:06,093 --> 00:39:10,556
For all the time that I worked for Ros,
she was very specific about time.
602
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:15,936
She described everything
about the apartment, and the lifestyle,
603
00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:18,773
and... and how Ros ran that house.
604
00:39:19,523 --> 00:39:20,733
And when we said,
605
00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:25,196
"Was there anything unusual
about the week in which he was murdered?"
606
00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:28,491
She said, "It's not that
anything so unusual happened."
607
00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:31,202
"It's how many things happened
for the first time."
608
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:38,626
In the weeks leading up
to Howard's murder, Ros told me,
609
00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:41,379
"I'm gonna need you to work late
in a couple weeks."
610
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,050
And then the night of the murder,
611
00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:49,470
Ros told me she would be meeting
with Evan and Howard
612
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:52,598
at King that night for a finance meeting.
613
00:39:53,557 --> 00:39:57,728
I took Philip to hockey practice.
614
00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:02,108
Philip had about a two-hour practice
four nights a week.
615
00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:06,737
And over the loudspeaker is my name.
She had me paged.
616
00:40:06,737 --> 00:40:09,323
That had never happened before.
That was the first time.
617
00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:12,618
She said, "How's it going over there?"
618
00:40:12,618 --> 00:40:17,081
I was like, "We're still first scrimmage.
They're talking about second scrimmage."
619
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:19,166
She was like, "That's fine. Sounds good."
620
00:40:19,166 --> 00:40:22,586
She said even that call was weird
because she didn't have anything to say.
621
00:40:22,586 --> 00:40:26,465
It wasn't 20 to 30 minutes later,
622
00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:31,303
I hear my name over the loudspeaker again
to come to the front desk.
623
00:40:31,887 --> 00:40:32,972
I call her again.
624
00:40:33,472 --> 00:40:39,687
And Ros just says
nothing more really informative,
625
00:40:39,687 --> 00:40:44,442
except for, "If I'm not there by the time
he gets done with the scrimmage,
626
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,485
you'll take the car back to the house."
627
00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:50,197
"I don't know if I'm coming or not,
'cause we're not done here."
628
00:40:50,781 --> 00:40:52,700
She said, "We're not done here,"
629
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,703
which, in the context
of what they were really doing,
630
00:40:55,703 --> 00:40:57,371
is so chilling to me.
631
00:40:57,913 --> 00:41:00,499
That was what was really unusual for her.
632
00:41:00,499 --> 00:41:02,960
She always knew
what time she was gonna be home.
633
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,255
She always had the specifics
of what I was to do
634
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:07,840
and what she was going to do.
635
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:15,764
Most evenings,
it was a really vibrant household.
636
00:41:16,265 --> 00:41:18,350
Phones ringing. She's on the phone.
637
00:41:18,934 --> 00:41:21,520
Neighbors are coming over to visit.
All the lights are on.
638
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,439
The TVs were on.
639
00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:27,484
Like, it was just
a very loud, exciting house.
640
00:41:27,484 --> 00:41:28,402
And not that night.
641
00:41:30,988 --> 00:41:34,074
The light above the stove was on.
642
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:36,827
That was the only light on in the house.
643
00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:41,707
I opened the door,
and she peeked around this threshold.
644
00:41:41,707 --> 00:41:43,792
Had a bathrobe, wet hair.
645
00:41:43,792 --> 00:41:45,669
Never seen her like that ever.
646
00:41:46,212 --> 00:41:50,257
And she said, "Oh, how'd it go?"
647
00:41:50,257 --> 00:41:54,428
"I'm sure you're really tired.
It's time for bed. Thank you, Allyson."
648
00:41:54,929 --> 00:41:58,807
And, you know, all her body language
was like, "We're done."
649
00:41:58,807 --> 00:42:00,392
"You're not coming in."
650
00:42:00,392 --> 00:42:02,478
She said, "You can leave the bag there."
651
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:07,233
I didn't even get the bag practically
past the door, and she said, "Good night."
652
00:42:08,234 --> 00:42:11,028
When I ended my day, she'd never do that.
653
00:42:11,028 --> 00:42:12,988
She wanted to talk, every time,
654
00:42:12,988 --> 00:42:17,451
about every detail that Philip
had experienced during the day.
655
00:42:17,451 --> 00:42:19,078
She would want to know everything.
656
00:42:19,078 --> 00:42:21,914
And so that, that was very different.
657
00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:26,585
Siobhan Berry and I...
Siobhan was the investigator.
658
00:42:26,585 --> 00:42:29,838
We were both just looking at Allyson
and thought,
659
00:42:31,674 --> 00:42:35,261
"This is gonna make the difference."
I knew she was thinking the same thing.
660
00:42:35,261 --> 00:42:36,595
They were making notes,
661
00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:39,974
and they were looking
across the table at each other
662
00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:44,186
like this was all
really important information.
663
00:42:44,186 --> 00:42:49,858
Allyson filled in
so many blanks and gray areas.
664
00:42:49,858 --> 00:42:52,152
We both came out and it was just like,
665
00:42:52,152 --> 00:42:54,947
"Wow. That was amazing."
666
00:42:55,739 --> 00:43:02,246
The new information from Allyson Lewis
that described atypical behavior by Ros,
667
00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:05,416
both in the days leading up to
and afterwards...
668
00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:09,461
{\an8}These deviations from the norm
are huge indicators.
669
00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:14,174
People tell on themselves when
they do something they never did before
670
00:43:14,174 --> 00:43:16,427
and that needs to be explained.
671
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:21,640
Allyson Lewis gave us information
672
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,852
that brought Ros into this much more
673
00:43:24,852 --> 00:43:30,065
and showed how much
she actually had to do to set this up.
674
00:43:30,065 --> 00:43:35,654
And we could find things
that corroborated what she told us.
675
00:43:35,654 --> 00:43:37,698
This had taken us over the hurdle.
676
00:43:38,991 --> 00:43:41,327
You build
your circumstantial case
677
00:43:41,327 --> 00:43:42,786
with little stones.
678
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,874
And you just keep going out
and finding little stones
679
00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,460
until you get a big enough pile of stones
680
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:52,379
that you have overwhelming evidence now.
681
00:43:52,379 --> 00:43:56,091
Albeit circumstantial,
but powerful evidence.
682
00:43:56,842 --> 00:44:00,387
With the new information
from what Howard Pilmar's friend Arnold
683
00:44:00,387 --> 00:44:02,556
and the nanny told the detectives,
684
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:05,267
there was enough to make an arrest.
685
00:44:06,518 --> 00:44:08,937
The arrest took place in 2017.
686
00:44:08,937 --> 00:44:12,232
{\an8}Ros was arrested in her apartment,
six o'clock in the morning.
687
00:44:12,232 --> 00:44:14,401
She was livin'
with her boyfriend at the time.
688
00:44:14,401 --> 00:44:16,862
Evan Wald was arrested at the same time.
689
00:44:17,738 --> 00:44:20,074
I felt elated!
690
00:44:20,074 --> 00:44:23,118
I couldn't believe it,
that they were both arrested.
691
00:44:24,078 --> 00:44:27,247
A long time coming, to say the very least.
692
00:44:28,332 --> 00:44:29,458
But it came.
693
00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:32,169
It came.
694
00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:38,342
This is something I've been waiting for
for over 20-something years.
695
00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:42,346
We went to the trial every single day.
696
00:44:43,013 --> 00:44:47,434
First day of the trial,
I was going into the men's room,
697
00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:50,854
and Philip was coming out
of the men's room.
698
00:44:51,855 --> 00:44:56,276
Last time I saw him was at breakfast,
just after Howard's murder.
699
00:44:57,027 --> 00:45:01,824
When I saw him,
he looked just like Howard.
700
00:45:02,533 --> 00:45:04,827
And I said, "Howard."
701
00:45:04,827 --> 00:45:06,954
That's how much they looked alike.
702
00:45:07,454 --> 00:45:10,833
He didn't say a word back to me.
Not a word.
703
00:45:13,252 --> 00:45:16,880
It's a circumstantial case,
and every single piece of it mattered.
704
00:45:18,048 --> 00:45:20,509
I knew this case backwards and forwards.
705
00:45:20,509 --> 00:45:24,221
Whatever their defense was,
we were prepared for it.
706
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:29,935
Giving testimony against those two,
it was phenomenal.
707
00:45:29,935 --> 00:45:33,981
It was an unbelievable feeling.
Great satisfaction.
708
00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:36,066
I could see Frank in the audience.
709
00:45:36,066 --> 00:45:39,319
I could see Frank shaking his head
when I testified.
710
00:45:39,987 --> 00:45:41,196
It was wonderful.
711
00:45:42,406 --> 00:45:45,743
But it doesn't mean shit
without a guilty verdict.
712
00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:46,994
Doesn't mean anything.
713
00:45:47,494 --> 00:45:50,038
There was an enormous amount of work
that went into this.
714
00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:52,624
The trial lasted two months.
715
00:45:55,377 --> 00:45:57,463
I cleaned it up, and I cut my hand.
716
00:45:58,714 --> 00:46:00,382
I wasn't aware
717
00:46:00,966 --> 00:46:04,720
that Howard was so brutally murdered.
718
00:46:05,846 --> 00:46:09,516
I knew he was stabbed,
but I didn't know the extent
719
00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:14,480
of the actual murder
until I heard it in court.
720
00:46:15,439 --> 00:46:19,359
I think that Evan got Howard from behind
and just slashed his throat.
721
00:46:20,027 --> 00:46:22,863
Because he never would have been able
to scream.
722
00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:26,825
And, to me,
that would've been your first concern
723
00:46:26,825 --> 00:46:28,494
when you ambush somebody like that.
724
00:46:28,494 --> 00:46:33,081
So I think that was the first wound,
and then it was a free-for-all.
725
00:46:33,081 --> 00:46:35,918
They slaughtered him.
They didn't just kill him.
726
00:46:35,918 --> 00:46:39,046
They slaughtered him
like a... like a pig in a pigsty.
727
00:46:39,797 --> 00:46:43,967
And Ros was at the scene of the crime.
They proved that she was.
728
00:46:45,886 --> 00:46:48,388
I did really admire Ros.
729
00:46:48,931 --> 00:46:54,478
And I had a picture of her
that I thought was who I knew.
730
00:46:55,103 --> 00:46:57,815
And so when I realized,
731
00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,817
wow, there was so much that I didn't see,
732
00:47:00,817 --> 00:47:02,569
it was like the bottom fell out.
733
00:47:05,739 --> 00:47:08,742
The jury deliberated
for at least four days.
734
00:47:08,742 --> 00:47:11,328
Not so good. Couldn't understand it.
735
00:47:15,624 --> 00:47:16,959
All rise!
736
00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:22,923
Ros and Evan were announced guilty
right then and there.
737
00:47:25,467 --> 00:47:27,928
Guilty of murder in the second degree.
738
00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:32,182
That courtroom was echoing
in the word "guilty."
739
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,228
It was really powerful.
740
00:47:37,437 --> 00:47:41,316
My mother kept yelling,
"Guilty, guilty, guilty!"
741
00:47:41,984 --> 00:47:43,819
It was like euphoria, you know?
742
00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:48,699
Like, this... this emotion
of beyond happiness
743
00:47:48,699 --> 00:47:53,328
that we got justice for Howard
after all these years.
744
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:58,917
I know we would not have ever had a trial,
much less the conviction,
745
00:47:58,917 --> 00:48:01,169
if not for Elizabeth Lederer.
746
00:48:02,879 --> 00:48:04,631
I went back to see Frank,
747
00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:07,593
who, you know,
had been so patient all these years.
748
00:48:07,593 --> 00:48:08,927
And he just...
749
00:48:09,511 --> 00:48:12,514
It was, "Guilty, guilty!
They're both guilty!"
750
00:48:12,514 --> 00:48:16,768
He had his cell phone out,
and he started calling everybody he knew.
751
00:48:16,768 --> 00:48:19,104
"Guilty! Guilty!"
And then call the next one.
752
00:48:19,104 --> 00:48:23,483
It was, um...
He'd waited so long for this to happen.
753
00:48:37,623 --> 00:48:40,334
Frank stood up
to speak at the sentencing.
754
00:48:41,168 --> 00:48:45,255
I can't get sleep
because I keep thinking
755
00:48:45,255 --> 00:48:51,428
about the terror and the fear
that went through Howard's mind
756
00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:53,764
in those last seconds
757
00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:57,351
that he was slaughtered
and butchered by those two.
758
00:48:58,685 --> 00:49:03,482
That day in March, I lost three things.
759
00:49:04,232 --> 00:49:09,112
Two of which I can never ever get back,
my son and my business.
760
00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:11,281
But I also lost Philip.
761
00:49:11,782 --> 00:49:13,867
And I know Philip
doesn't want to look at me.
762
00:49:13,867 --> 00:49:15,744
I'm sorry about that,
763
00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:17,871
but I just want him to know
764
00:49:17,871 --> 00:49:20,999
we love you and we want you back.
765
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:22,501
Please.
766
00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:28,090
As much as Frank wanted the people
responsible to be held accountable,
767
00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:31,426
he really wanted
to have a relationship with Philip.
768
00:49:33,553 --> 00:49:38,475
I found out that Philip
went to the London School of Economics.
769
00:49:38,975 --> 00:49:41,061
And I didn't know anything about this.
770
00:49:41,687 --> 00:49:45,399
I couldn't get any of this wonderful news
771
00:49:45,399 --> 00:49:48,568
about this kid who grew up.
772
00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:51,446
My grandson.
773
00:49:51,446 --> 00:49:54,241
My... My son's only son.
774
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:57,786
I want him back.
775
00:49:57,786 --> 00:50:00,455
We love him, and that's it.
776
00:50:00,956 --> 00:50:02,499
And it still holds.
777
00:50:11,049 --> 00:50:15,178
Philip pled before the judge
778
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,515
for leniency for his mother
779
00:50:18,515 --> 00:50:20,183
who murdered his father.
780
00:50:21,685 --> 00:50:23,770
How... How...
781
00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:25,856
You're asking for lenience?
782
00:50:27,899 --> 00:50:29,526
I don't know.
783
00:50:30,861 --> 00:50:34,656
I haven't heard Philip speak
784
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,160
until at the sentencing.
785
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,620
{\an8}And he was talking about his mother.
786
00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:43,665
{\an8}How great she was, bringing him up.
787
00:50:44,166 --> 00:50:46,084
I think the only thing she did
788
00:50:46,084 --> 00:50:49,755
was to fill his mind
with hatred for our family.
789
00:50:49,755 --> 00:50:51,631
And I'm sure he blames me.
790
00:50:51,631 --> 00:50:54,176
Her whole family must blame me.
791
00:50:54,176 --> 00:50:58,180
Because they know
I was the hawk on this for trial.
792
00:50:58,180 --> 00:50:59,431
I wouldn't let them go.
793
00:51:01,224 --> 00:51:05,479
He wants to defend her
over his father's murder...
794
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:07,856
so be it.
795
00:51:11,485 --> 00:51:13,779
It's gotta be
very tough to be him.
796
00:51:13,779 --> 00:51:17,908
He's truly the second victim
of this whole thing.
797
00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:19,242
Uh, after Howard.
798
00:51:19,242 --> 00:51:21,578
You're convinced your mother's saving you,
799
00:51:21,578 --> 00:51:24,748
and your grandfather's
trying to get your mother in trouble
800
00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,666
when your mother didn't do anything.
801
00:51:26,666 --> 00:51:30,003
And this all gets played out legally,
in a court of law.
802
00:51:30,921 --> 00:51:34,466
And it's not the way
you were led to believe all those years.
803
00:51:34,466 --> 00:51:37,010
That's, uh... That's gotta be very rough.
804
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:39,971
For this crime, for this murder,
805
00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:45,018
I sentence each of you
to 25-years-to-life incarceration.
806
00:51:45,727 --> 00:51:48,313
Ros and Evan
got 25 years to life.
807
00:51:48,313 --> 00:51:50,816
At their age,
that's a life sentence for them.
808
00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:54,611
Evan and... and Ros
got what they deserve.
809
00:51:54,611 --> 00:51:57,989
{\an8}They got to live free for 23 years.
810
00:51:58,657 --> 00:52:02,410
And now they should be locked up
for at least 23 years.
811
00:52:04,788 --> 00:52:08,166
Judge gives the sentence.
Philip gets up abruptly.
812
00:52:10,043 --> 00:52:13,171
Like, in a huff, and walks out of there.
813
00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:17,259
I was invited to the sentencing.
814
00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:22,973
I ended up being late,
and the door comes swinging open,
815
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:28,436
and the image in front of me
is Howard Pilmar,
816
00:52:28,937 --> 00:52:31,565
which really knocked me for a loop.
817
00:52:31,565 --> 00:52:33,233
Even though I never met Howard,
818
00:52:33,233 --> 00:52:37,112
I had seen enough photographs
during the investigation
819
00:52:37,112 --> 00:52:38,947
to know exactly what he looked like.
820
00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:41,867
And that person was Philip.
821
00:52:46,037 --> 00:52:51,293
Closing a cold case
is a big deal for the people that do it.
822
00:52:51,793 --> 00:52:53,044
It's very satisfying.
823
00:52:54,546 --> 00:52:59,759
But for the families,
a guilty verdict doesn't cure the pain.
824
00:53:03,513 --> 00:53:05,056
I just picture Howard,
825
00:53:05,682 --> 00:53:10,103
the fear that went through Howard's mind
826
00:53:10,604 --> 00:53:16,443
in those few seconds
that he was being stabbed and slaughtered.
827
00:53:17,527 --> 00:53:21,156
That's the part that you can...
can never get over.
828
00:53:21,823 --> 00:53:26,036
When I go to bed every night,
I talk to him.
829
00:53:26,036 --> 00:53:29,122
And I said,
"How could this have happened to you?"
830
00:53:29,122 --> 00:53:30,916
"Why didn't you tell me
831
00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:33,668
that you were having trouble
with this woman?"
832
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:37,547
But I can't get any answers.
833
00:53:56,608 --> 00:53:59,236
A couple of years
after Howard Pilmar's murder,
834
00:53:59,236 --> 00:54:02,656
we had a case
with seven families involved.
835
00:54:02,656 --> 00:54:05,825
The level of intensity was enormous.
836
00:54:08,078 --> 00:54:11,373
This case was heartbreaking
in the extreme.
837
00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:15,460
All of the victims
were innocent, young girls.
838
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:22,092
The magnitude of his crimes
kinda punched everybody in the head.
839
00:54:22,842 --> 00:54:24,970
He has been on the lam
since Valentine's Day
840
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:28,598
with at least one murder and two rapes,
and that may not be all.
841
00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:33,311
"Serial killers."
That phrase gets thrown around a lot.
842
00:54:33,311 --> 00:54:34,562
He was one of them.