1 00:00:06,841 --> 00:00:08,843 [ambient street noise] 2 00:00:31,407 --> 00:00:33,951 [tense, mysterious music playing] 3 00:00:34,035 --> 00:00:38,372 I was hired in January of '95 with the Pilmar family. 4 00:00:39,248 --> 00:00:44,545 Howard and Ros Pilmar really needed someone to help with their son, Philip. 5 00:00:46,255 --> 00:00:48,674 After I'd been working for them for over a year, 6 00:00:49,467 --> 00:00:52,845 I went to work, I walked back to Philip's room, 7 00:00:52,929 --> 00:00:55,807 and he was in his school clothes, 8 00:00:55,890 --> 00:00:58,142 on a made bed, staring at the ceiling. 9 00:00:59,143 --> 00:01:02,563 And he said, "Oh, my dad didn't come home last night." 10 00:01:03,189 --> 00:01:05,483 I could tell he was upset. 11 00:01:06,859 --> 00:01:10,363 A little bit later, I was standing in the foyer, 12 00:01:10,446 --> 00:01:16,661 and Ros just walked in just with a look of shock on her face. 13 00:01:17,245 --> 00:01:18,955 I could tell she had been crying. 14 00:01:19,038 --> 00:01:21,874 She just stood there, opened her hands, and said, 15 00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:23,417 "Howard's dead." 16 00:01:23,918 --> 00:01:27,338 And I remember just thinking, 17 00:01:28,756 --> 00:01:29,966 "This… This can't be." 18 00:01:30,049 --> 00:01:32,051 [suspenseful music playing] 19 00:01:33,094 --> 00:01:37,181 [Mooney] In the 1990s, the murder rate was off the charts in New York City. 20 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:43,437 But to have a businessman that's murdered in his own business in Midtown Manhattan, 21 00:01:43,521 --> 00:01:45,314 that's a rare occasion. 22 00:01:46,607 --> 00:01:47,984 [elevator dings] 23 00:01:49,902 --> 00:01:53,406 Howard Pilmar was stabbed 20, 30, 40 times. 24 00:01:54,157 --> 00:01:56,367 Everybody had a theory. None of us had an answer. 25 00:01:56,450 --> 00:02:01,706 It was unsolved, but you never close an unsolved homicide. 26 00:02:06,878 --> 00:02:09,672 [Mooney] Every single case takes a little piece out of your soul. 27 00:02:12,341 --> 00:02:16,262 [Butcher] You cannot do this job unless you really care. 28 00:02:18,347 --> 00:02:20,600 [McNeely] You want to find out the truth. 29 00:02:21,726 --> 00:02:23,269 That's what detectives do. 30 00:02:23,853 --> 00:02:26,230 [man] I've always liked the peek behind the curtain. 31 00:02:26,314 --> 00:02:28,065 What really happened? 32 00:02:28,566 --> 00:02:32,236 [Rivera] It's so important for a family to know who murdered their relative. 33 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,362 That's my job. 34 00:02:33,988 --> 00:02:38,242 [Titus] In New York City, the NYPD… 35 00:02:41,204 --> 00:02:42,413 This is it. 36 00:02:43,164 --> 00:02:46,751 [suspenseful music trails off] 37 00:02:46,834 --> 00:02:47,835 [train rumbling] 38 00:02:53,925 --> 00:02:55,927 [tense music pulsing] 39 00:02:59,222 --> 00:03:03,517 1996, I'm the commanding officer of the Midtown South Detective Squad, 40 00:03:03,601 --> 00:03:07,146 which is the busiest detective squad in the city of New York. 41 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:08,940 Over 2,000 cases a year. 42 00:03:09,774 --> 00:03:12,818 Get a call early in the morning, before I report to work, 43 00:03:12,902 --> 00:03:16,656 that we have a… a murder in an office building in Midtown. 44 00:03:18,783 --> 00:03:21,118 [man] It was a Friday. Walked to work. It was payday. 45 00:03:21,202 --> 00:03:22,787 I was in a great mood. 46 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:24,956 Doing fabulously in sales 47 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:29,293 at King Office Supply Company, Incorporated. 48 00:03:30,086 --> 00:03:33,256 I think I arrived about 8:20. I was always early. 49 00:03:33,339 --> 00:03:38,010 And outside the entrance to the building on 33rd Street 50 00:03:38,094 --> 00:03:41,180 was standing an employee who's never outside. 51 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:43,057 He was always in his office. 52 00:03:43,683 --> 00:03:45,059 He was outside. 53 00:03:45,142 --> 00:03:46,811 [sirens wailing faintly] 54 00:03:50,273 --> 00:03:52,733 And I asked him, "Ed, why are you standing here?" 55 00:03:52,817 --> 00:03:56,737 And he turned to me and said, "Howard is dead." 56 00:03:57,989 --> 00:03:59,991 [sirens intensify] 57 00:04:01,993 --> 00:04:05,413 The controller, King's controller, came in at 5:30 in the morning 58 00:04:05,496 --> 00:04:07,290 and found Howard's body. 59 00:04:07,373 --> 00:04:09,834 He immediately went downstairs and called 911. 60 00:04:14,922 --> 00:04:18,134 I learned, when I first got to the crime scene, 61 00:04:18,217 --> 00:04:21,429 that King was a big office supply 62 00:04:21,512 --> 00:04:24,390 with a storefront on the first floor, 63 00:04:24,473 --> 00:04:27,184 and then an employee office on the fourth floor. 64 00:04:28,686 --> 00:04:29,687 [elevator dings] 65 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:33,065 [mysterious music playing] 66 00:04:33,149 --> 00:04:35,860 His body was found right outside the elevator 67 00:04:36,694 --> 00:04:39,322 in the reception section on the fourth floor. 68 00:04:41,657 --> 00:04:43,200 We have a stab victim. 69 00:04:45,286 --> 00:04:46,912 There was lots of blood. 70 00:04:47,455 --> 00:04:49,957 [unsettling music playing] 71 00:04:51,876 --> 00:04:54,545 Down the hallway, there was a sink with blood in it 72 00:04:54,628 --> 00:04:57,131 that led you to believe that someone was washing their hands 73 00:04:57,214 --> 00:04:59,133 or washing the murder weapon. 74 00:05:03,971 --> 00:05:05,264 [Tucker] I remember… 75 00:05:08,434 --> 00:05:09,977 the shock of it. 76 00:05:10,895 --> 00:05:12,730 I remember screaming, "No." 77 00:05:14,065 --> 00:05:17,068 And at that point is when they brought the body out, 78 00:05:18,277 --> 00:05:19,445 Howard's body. 79 00:05:19,945 --> 00:05:21,947 [melancholy, somber music playing] 80 00:05:24,075 --> 00:05:28,829 [man] When I found out that Howard's body was discovered in the office, 81 00:05:28,913 --> 00:05:30,998 I was knocked off my feet. 82 00:05:31,624 --> 00:05:35,544 I felt like I guess any parent would feel 83 00:05:35,628 --> 00:05:40,341 when they heard their child was dead, especially from a murder. 84 00:05:40,424 --> 00:05:45,930 I can't even try to express my… my feelings today. 85 00:05:47,515 --> 00:05:50,601 [woman] Howard and my father, they worked together every day. 86 00:05:50,684 --> 00:05:52,395 They were very, very close. 87 00:05:52,478 --> 00:05:54,230 Howard just turned 40. 88 00:05:55,648 --> 00:05:56,982 They… They looked alike. 89 00:05:57,066 --> 00:06:00,027 You know, they had the same fun personality. 90 00:06:01,278 --> 00:06:04,657 Very outgoing, very personable. 91 00:06:04,740 --> 00:06:06,200 Everybody liked them. 92 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:10,955 Howard must have been four or five years old 93 00:06:11,038 --> 00:06:13,457 when he came to the store the first time. 94 00:06:13,541 --> 00:06:15,918 He always wanted to work for my company. 95 00:06:17,878 --> 00:06:23,050 [Frank] My partner and I started in the stationery business March 1st, 1958. 96 00:06:23,134 --> 00:06:24,593 Office supplies. 97 00:06:24,677 --> 00:06:27,721 You know, any kind of commercial printing. 98 00:06:27,805 --> 00:06:29,181 Things of that nature. 99 00:06:29,682 --> 00:06:32,643 I gave him the business, like, uh, 100 00:06:33,978 --> 00:06:36,647 five or six months before he was murdered. 101 00:06:38,566 --> 00:06:42,528 Frank was devastated by, uh, the murder. 102 00:06:42,611 --> 00:06:44,780 It's unnatural for a parent to bury a child. 103 00:06:44,864 --> 00:06:47,992 I can't imagine going through life and not being a father, 104 00:06:48,075 --> 00:06:52,580 and not seeing my sons succeed, and develop, and do what they're doing. 105 00:06:52,663 --> 00:06:56,750 I wouldn't trade that in for anything. I mean, I think being a father's probably… 106 00:06:59,503 --> 00:07:01,881 the most important title I've ever held. 107 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,888 [Frank] The sun rose and set… 108 00:07:08,971 --> 00:07:11,098 In my eyes, Howard… 109 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:12,766 [rueful chuckle] 110 00:07:14,185 --> 00:07:15,478 …was my whole life. 111 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:20,858 [melancholy music trailing off] 112 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:22,943 [curious percussive music playing] 113 00:07:23,611 --> 00:07:25,905 We're trying to figure out what's going on. 114 00:07:25,988 --> 00:07:28,407 Who do we need to speak to? Security cameras. 115 00:07:30,493 --> 00:07:34,371 We did many canvasses. You do initial canvass that day. 116 00:07:34,455 --> 00:07:38,125 We canvass for weapons, garbage pails, elevator shafts. 117 00:07:38,876 --> 00:07:41,754 [Parrino] He still had his cash, all his personal effects. 118 00:07:41,837 --> 00:07:44,089 Kinda told us this wasn't a random robbery. 119 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:50,054 [Tucker] Howard was murdered in the office. Police were there. 120 00:07:50,137 --> 00:07:52,681 It was very unsettling to even be there. 121 00:07:54,058 --> 00:07:59,396 The detectives asked me to look for records of employees 122 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,899 that might have wished him ill, 123 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,903 might've hated him, that he had a dispute with. 124 00:08:05,986 --> 00:08:10,533 All I found was one person who… who left in the last few months. 125 00:08:10,616 --> 00:08:13,536 This guy worked in the copy center, in the store. 126 00:08:14,119 --> 00:08:15,913 It was a low-level job. 127 00:08:16,455 --> 00:08:17,831 It was a lead. 128 00:08:17,915 --> 00:08:19,041 They pursued it. 129 00:08:19,124 --> 00:08:22,670 They spoke to other employees about him, then also spoke to him, 130 00:08:22,753 --> 00:08:25,923 and then saw it was a nonissue there. 131 00:08:28,634 --> 00:08:30,386 [Tucker] To me, Howard was a great boss. 132 00:08:31,345 --> 00:08:34,223 When he came into a room, you noticed it. 133 00:08:34,306 --> 00:08:38,852 He was connected to all of us. Howard made you feel like family. 134 00:08:38,936 --> 00:08:40,646 [delicate, poignant music playing] 135 00:08:40,729 --> 00:08:42,523 He… He was in the prime… 136 00:08:43,023 --> 00:08:45,568 the absolute prime of his life. 137 00:08:46,068 --> 00:08:51,824 A healthy, successful, outgoing… 138 00:08:51,907 --> 00:08:53,492 A wonderful man. 139 00:08:53,576 --> 00:08:55,661 To be murdered? Oh, God. 140 00:08:57,997 --> 00:08:59,999 [delicate music trailing off] 141 00:09:00,082 --> 00:09:02,293 [foreboding music playing] 142 00:09:03,377 --> 00:09:06,338 I went to the last hour of Howard's autopsy. 143 00:09:07,756 --> 00:09:09,675 He had over 40 stab wounds. 144 00:09:10,175 --> 00:09:11,969 Not all were penetrating. 145 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:15,139 There was five that may have been considered fatal enough 146 00:09:15,222 --> 00:09:16,974 if they were just by themselves. 147 00:09:17,057 --> 00:09:20,185 There was also a postmortem, 148 00:09:20,269 --> 00:09:23,355 which is after his heart stops beating, 149 00:09:23,439 --> 00:09:27,359 after he's legitimately dead, he's continually getting stabbed. 150 00:09:29,194 --> 00:09:33,282 This was a fierce, emotional attack of Howard. 151 00:09:38,245 --> 00:09:40,080 We go to the funeral service. 152 00:09:40,664 --> 00:09:45,044 We had detectives inside that were overt. 153 00:09:45,127 --> 00:09:48,547 We were showing support to the family by being there. 154 00:09:48,631 --> 00:09:52,760 But what you're also doing is looking for some strange interaction 155 00:09:52,843 --> 00:09:55,137 between anybody, right? 156 00:09:55,220 --> 00:10:00,059 It could be as simple as a female, not the wife, losing her mind, 157 00:10:00,142 --> 00:10:01,935 or two people arguing. 158 00:10:02,019 --> 00:10:04,271 On top of that, we were outside the funeral 159 00:10:04,355 --> 00:10:06,357 filming everybody coming in and out. 160 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,652 So in case there was something, we can later go back to the film. 161 00:10:11,737 --> 00:10:14,448 [Heather] There were over 1,000 people at the funeral. 162 00:10:15,449 --> 00:10:18,118 So it was… it was kind of daunting. 163 00:10:18,202 --> 00:10:19,995 [somber, pensive music playing] 164 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:22,873 In the Jewish religion, after the funeral, 165 00:10:22,956 --> 00:10:27,002 people come and visit at the house of the person who dies, 166 00:10:27,086 --> 00:10:29,505 and they pay their respects that way. 167 00:10:30,005 --> 00:10:31,423 This is called "shiva." 168 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:38,889 Howard's wife, Ros, asked if she could have the shiva at our house 169 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:46,438 because it would upset Philip to have it at their apartment. 170 00:10:46,522 --> 00:10:48,607 And, naturally, we said yes. 171 00:10:49,108 --> 00:10:51,110 [mysterious, pensive music playing] 172 00:10:52,569 --> 00:10:55,781 [woman] Philip loved his dad, and his dad adored him. 173 00:10:58,117 --> 00:10:59,284 Philip was eight. 174 00:10:59,785 --> 00:11:02,454 Very, very smart for an eight-year-old. 175 00:11:02,538 --> 00:11:08,127 He was a really talkative kid, and happy, and just full of energy. 176 00:11:08,627 --> 00:11:12,923 To see how Philip changed after he lost his dad… 177 00:11:13,006 --> 00:11:15,467 His vibrancy left. 178 00:11:15,551 --> 00:11:18,262 His chattiness left. 179 00:11:18,345 --> 00:11:20,931 His confidence was different. 180 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:25,269 So all of these things that I saw in him as a spunky little boy, 181 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:28,480 that was all stripped. That was all taken away from him. 182 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:31,483 He was lonely without his dad. 183 00:11:33,777 --> 00:11:35,779 [tense, unnerving music playing] 184 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:44,204 After shiva, Ros comes into the office. 185 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:50,586 And she brought with her two gentlemen from a large business products dealer. 186 00:11:51,712 --> 00:11:55,966 She made an arrangement to sell them the business. 187 00:11:57,509 --> 00:11:59,011 [Frank] She couldn't run the business. 188 00:11:59,094 --> 00:12:02,264 She didn't know anything about the stationery business. 189 00:12:02,347 --> 00:12:03,807 We all were conflicted. 190 00:12:04,308 --> 00:12:08,020 "She's selling the business? Oh no. What does that mean?" 191 00:12:08,645 --> 00:12:12,232 We were close to $1,000,000 a month in business at that time. 192 00:12:13,275 --> 00:12:15,068 We had about 15 salesmen. 193 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,615 Without us, there was no business, there were no customers. 194 00:12:19,698 --> 00:12:23,035 And we told them, "If you buy, we're all leaving." 195 00:12:24,161 --> 00:12:26,955 Which is how we bought the business from her. 196 00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:33,670 [Parrino] Frank explained the dynamics of the business and who was who. 197 00:12:33,754 --> 00:12:37,758 'Cause that's part of what you have to do, understand even how the business works 198 00:12:37,841 --> 00:12:40,344 and who's responsible for what. 199 00:12:40,844 --> 00:12:43,430 We interviewed everybody who had worked for Howard. 200 00:12:44,181 --> 00:12:46,391 There was 50 to 60 employees that we interviewed. 201 00:12:46,475 --> 00:12:48,894 I bet each one of them was interviewed two to three times. 202 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:50,604 That's 180 interviews. 203 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:56,026 [Tucker] Detectives, in their due diligence, 204 00:12:56,568 --> 00:12:58,821 interviewed all of us twice. 205 00:12:59,738 --> 00:13:02,533 So the first was a very cursory… 206 00:13:03,033 --> 00:13:06,453 But the second time, I think he might have asked me, 207 00:13:07,204 --> 00:13:09,039 "Did you overhear any arguments?" 208 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:10,791 [cryptic, jittery music playing] 209 00:13:10,874 --> 00:13:16,088 I overheard at 5:30, the day before we found Howard's body, 210 00:13:16,755 --> 00:13:23,262 Howard's side of a brutal, vicious argument 211 00:13:23,345 --> 00:13:24,680 between he and Ros. 212 00:13:24,763 --> 00:13:26,890 He was yelling and screaming. 213 00:13:27,391 --> 00:13:30,978 Howard screamed into the phone, 214 00:13:31,061 --> 00:13:34,898 "You effin' C-U-N-T." 215 00:13:35,732 --> 00:13:37,484 I'm sayin' to myself, 216 00:13:38,527 --> 00:13:42,364 "That's a hard one to come back from in a marriage." 217 00:13:42,447 --> 00:13:44,449 [tense, dramatic music playing] 218 00:13:47,703 --> 00:13:52,332 Ros was the first girl that Howard ever had, 219 00:13:52,416 --> 00:13:53,834 if you know what I mean. 220 00:13:53,917 --> 00:13:58,088 They went to high school together, and then they moved in together. 221 00:13:58,171 --> 00:14:00,591 And before I knew it, they got married. 222 00:14:01,550 --> 00:14:04,469 It was a nice, big Jewish wedding at that time. 223 00:14:04,553 --> 00:14:07,180 You know, we made a nice… nice party. 224 00:14:08,015 --> 00:14:10,058 Howard was very happy. 225 00:14:10,142 --> 00:14:16,732 I never had an inkling of any… any kind of, um… problem with his marriage. 226 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,987 [Parrino] Under any circumstances, you're looking for more witnesses. 227 00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:26,950 Spoke to friends, family, and things become apparent. 228 00:14:27,034 --> 00:14:28,994 The marriage is not so good. 229 00:14:29,620 --> 00:14:31,997 We were thinking maybe there was an affair involved, 230 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,373 and that would cause motive. 231 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:36,835 [Mooney] Who knows if Howard Pilmar had a girlfriend? 232 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:39,963 That he said, "Listen, that's it. We're done." 233 00:14:40,047 --> 00:14:42,591 "I'm married, and you're not… you're not gettin' the money." 234 00:14:42,674 --> 00:14:43,675 Or whatever it is. 235 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,678 And she didn't snap and stab him? You don't know that. 236 00:14:46,762 --> 00:14:49,097 That's why you draw that circle around the victim 237 00:14:49,181 --> 00:14:52,768 and find out what was goin' on in his life at that time 238 00:14:52,851 --> 00:14:56,521 in order to exclude any possibility that that's what happened. 239 00:14:57,606 --> 00:15:02,903 [Parrino] There were a number of females we identified during the investigation 240 00:15:02,986 --> 00:15:05,072 that had casual relationships with Howard. 241 00:15:06,156 --> 00:15:07,532 I don't know that they were sexual, 242 00:15:07,616 --> 00:15:11,203 but they were something beyond a little bit more than "hello." 243 00:15:12,204 --> 00:15:15,707 I heard those same rumors. 244 00:15:15,791 --> 00:15:19,169 Never saw Howard with anyone else. 245 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:22,255 Howard never talked about being with anyone else. 246 00:15:22,339 --> 00:15:28,637 No person ever in my eight years there said to me, "I saw Howard with…" 247 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,263 So it was a rumor. 248 00:15:31,014 --> 00:15:35,477 [Parrino] We interviewed these women and found that he was a flirtatious guy, 249 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,813 but we came up with nothing. 250 00:15:39,648 --> 00:15:41,566 Some people get frustrated following a lead 251 00:15:41,650 --> 00:15:44,444 that doesn't come to fruition, that gets shut down. 252 00:15:44,528 --> 00:15:46,321 But that's actually a very good thing, 253 00:15:46,405 --> 00:15:50,200 because you don't have to go back to that, and it can't come back to haunt you later. 254 00:15:53,078 --> 00:15:55,288 In the investigation of Howard's death, 255 00:15:55,372 --> 00:15:58,583 we find out Howard was a very driven individual. 256 00:15:58,667 --> 00:16:01,128 Frank gives Howard a lot of credit, 257 00:16:01,211 --> 00:16:03,547 taking the business to new levels. 258 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:05,424 [Tucker] Howard was a visionary. 259 00:16:05,507 --> 00:16:10,095 He put a coffee bar in an otherwise office supply store. 260 00:16:10,178 --> 00:16:15,267 Before Starbucks, there was Philip's. Before anything, there was Philip's. 261 00:16:15,851 --> 00:16:18,145 There were people out the door, waiting on line 262 00:16:18,228 --> 00:16:21,356 to buy the lattes and cappuccinos and espressos. 263 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,945 Having a coffee bar in there brought us an entirely new segment of purchasers. 264 00:16:27,529 --> 00:16:30,949 It was such a success that he opened up another one in Carnegie Hall. 265 00:16:32,117 --> 00:16:35,454 I said, "You'll never find people in New York City 266 00:16:35,537 --> 00:16:37,956 walking in the streets, drinking coffee." 267 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,000 I… I couldn't imagine it, 268 00:16:40,083 --> 00:16:43,587 but it shows you what I knew and what Howard knew. 269 00:16:44,504 --> 00:16:47,799 Howard named the coffee bar after his son, Philip. 270 00:16:47,883 --> 00:16:49,801 It became "Philip's Coffee Bar." 271 00:16:50,469 --> 00:16:52,471 It was a family business. 272 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:55,891 I worked with his wife, Roslyn, 273 00:16:55,974 --> 00:16:59,269 on West 56th Street by Carnegie Hall. 274 00:16:59,978 --> 00:17:04,524 And Ros's brother, Evan, worked at Philip's Coffee on 33rd Street. 275 00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:11,406 [Parrino] We learned Howard did not like Roslyn's brother, Evan, very much. 276 00:17:11,490 --> 00:17:14,326 Evan was working in Philip's Coffee 277 00:17:14,409 --> 00:17:17,537 that was inside King Office Supply. 278 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:22,417 As a favor to Ros, Howard hired Evan, who was unemployed. 279 00:17:22,501 --> 00:17:25,754 So, Ros and Evan managed both coffee shops. 280 00:17:25,837 --> 00:17:29,299 [Heather] I started at Philip's Coffee in '94. 281 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:32,177 He started shortly after I did. 282 00:17:33,470 --> 00:17:38,809 I don't think Howard wanted Evan to manage the coffee shop. 283 00:17:38,892 --> 00:17:40,602 Because… 284 00:17:40,685 --> 00:17:42,729 Uh, you know, it was Howard's, you know? 285 00:17:42,813 --> 00:17:46,274 And I think Evan was taking… like, taking charge. 286 00:17:46,358 --> 00:17:49,861 Like, "This is mine." You know? But it's not. 287 00:17:50,445 --> 00:17:53,323 [Lewis] About the time I started working for the Pilmars, 288 00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:55,534 Philip said, "Let's go to the coffee shop." 289 00:17:55,617 --> 00:17:58,328 When we got there, Ros was explaining to Evan 290 00:17:58,411 --> 00:18:01,414 how Howard wanted the pastries arranged in the case. 291 00:18:02,415 --> 00:18:06,753 Evan lost it, and he flew open the case, 292 00:18:06,837 --> 00:18:09,756 pulled a tray out, threw it, and said, 293 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,342 "I don't give an eff how Howard wants it." 294 00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:14,553 That was really shocking. 295 00:18:15,053 --> 00:18:18,682 Especially that he would act that way in front of his nephew, 296 00:18:19,182 --> 00:18:20,684 in front of customers. 297 00:18:20,767 --> 00:18:24,104 And it left a big first impression. 298 00:18:29,276 --> 00:18:35,657 [Parrino] After the shiva, we had Roslyn and Evan come in to be interviewed. 299 00:18:36,158 --> 00:18:38,702 We wanted to know Ros's timeline 300 00:18:38,785 --> 00:18:41,663 and Evan's timeline on the night of the murder. 301 00:18:42,414 --> 00:18:47,169 They told us that day, Howard and Evan went to the gym together 302 00:18:47,252 --> 00:18:51,381 to discuss his moving up, so to speak, in the company. 303 00:18:52,591 --> 00:18:55,927 Evan wanted to make a jump from the coffee shop 304 00:18:56,011 --> 00:18:59,097 to sales in the paper company 305 00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:01,975 because the salespeople could make good money at the time. 306 00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:03,059 [cryptic music playing] 307 00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:07,439 Evan was, to me, very unapproachable. 308 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,859 If you talked to him, he would grunt. 309 00:19:10,942 --> 00:19:13,528 He would grunt "hello" or "goodbye." 310 00:19:13,612 --> 00:19:16,489 It didn't look like he had a future in our business. 311 00:19:17,324 --> 00:19:20,327 [Parrino] And then after this meeting at the gym, 312 00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:25,123 Howard and Evan met Roslyn in the office. 313 00:19:26,124 --> 00:19:30,128 [Lederer] Because it was complicated to work the security there, 314 00:19:30,212 --> 00:19:32,255 Ros did not know how to lock up. 315 00:19:32,964 --> 00:19:35,133 That's why Howard came back to lock up. 316 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,428 Evan and Ros left Howard behind to work. 317 00:19:39,179 --> 00:19:41,014 They're the last two that see him alive. 318 00:19:41,598 --> 00:19:45,227 [Lederer] If his wife and brother-in-law left him at about eight o'clock, 319 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:46,228 and he was fine, 320 00:19:46,311 --> 00:19:48,730 and then you find him at 5:00 in the morning, 321 00:19:48,813 --> 00:19:53,068 who came between 8:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. and did this to him? 322 00:19:53,944 --> 00:19:58,156 Remember, this was a time where there weren't video cameras everywhere, 323 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,326 and we didn't have, like, the surveillance in the offices. 324 00:20:01,409 --> 00:20:03,119 [tense music playing] 325 00:20:03,203 --> 00:20:05,288 [Parrino] We never recovered the murder weapon. 326 00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:10,085 But the police officer at the scene, the uniformed police officer, 327 00:20:10,168 --> 00:20:14,005 made mentions in his memo book that Evan had cuts on his left hand, 328 00:20:14,089 --> 00:20:15,840 and that he was left-handed. 329 00:20:16,341 --> 00:20:17,342 [enigmatic music playing] 330 00:20:17,425 --> 00:20:21,638 [Mooney] When a person is stabbed multiple times like Howard Pilmar was, 331 00:20:22,138 --> 00:20:26,351 blood is like oil, and it gets on the handle of the knife, 332 00:20:26,434 --> 00:20:31,356 and almost universally the stabber will end up with injuries 333 00:20:31,439 --> 00:20:33,942 because they can't hold on to the handle of the knife 334 00:20:34,025 --> 00:20:35,860 'cause it's too slippery. 335 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:40,573 Evan said it was picking up broken dishes from a night or two before. 336 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:43,827 The cuts weren't really consistent with the story, 337 00:20:43,910 --> 00:20:45,912 but we needed more evidence. 338 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,125 What we hoped to find was another drop of blood 339 00:20:50,208 --> 00:20:51,876 that was not Howard's. 340 00:20:52,836 --> 00:20:55,755 I remember talking to the ME that was in charge of the lab, 341 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,173 and he would say to you, 342 00:20:57,257 --> 00:21:01,052 "You could do the DNA test, but you lose the sample after we do it." 343 00:21:01,136 --> 00:21:03,763 "So you should hold off on this sample 344 00:21:03,847 --> 00:21:06,516 because I think technology will be advanced, 345 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,269 and we could do the sample better in the future." 346 00:21:11,271 --> 00:21:13,273 [enigmatic music trailing off] 347 00:21:18,403 --> 00:21:20,322 [Parrino] About two months into the investigation, 348 00:21:20,405 --> 00:21:25,368 we found out that Philip's Coffee owed $14,500 in state taxes. 349 00:21:26,202 --> 00:21:28,288 $14,000 is really not enough 350 00:21:28,371 --> 00:21:31,124 for most of us to be motivated to do something. 351 00:21:31,207 --> 00:21:34,419 But it was just something to be aware of, 352 00:21:34,502 --> 00:21:36,629 that there was some financial issue. 353 00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:43,136 And then we find out about Ros's previous employer 354 00:21:43,219 --> 00:21:45,764 from '91 to '95. 355 00:21:46,264 --> 00:21:51,936 Uh, she ended up embezzling like $160,000 in checks from him. 356 00:21:53,021 --> 00:21:54,647 Ros was a dental hygienist, 357 00:21:54,731 --> 00:21:58,193 and she was also taking care of some of the books for him. 358 00:22:00,236 --> 00:22:02,781 Finding out the marriage is not so good, 359 00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:08,411 finding out that she owes 14.5 to the state, 360 00:22:08,495 --> 00:22:12,957 160,000 to the dentist. 361 00:22:14,042 --> 00:22:17,587 It's starting to make us look at things differently. 362 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:19,964 And the second effect to this 363 00:22:20,465 --> 00:22:23,134 is that when you talk to people about this money, 364 00:22:23,218 --> 00:22:25,220 the biggest comment she makes is, 365 00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:28,473 "Don't tell Howard. Don't tell Howard. He'll leave me." 366 00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:30,892 "He'll take Philip away from me." 367 00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:34,687 She inherited $1.2 million in life insurance. 368 00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:38,608 She inherited the King business, Philip's Coffee Shop, 369 00:22:39,109 --> 00:22:42,779 the apartment that they own on East 72nd Street, 370 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:46,116 the summer home in Millerton, New York, 371 00:22:46,616 --> 00:22:50,829 a share of a ski home in Vermont, and Philip. 372 00:22:53,665 --> 00:22:57,544 [Parrino] And this kinda changes our focus a little bit more. 373 00:22:59,045 --> 00:23:02,424 Then we learned Howard may have been looking for a divorce. 374 00:23:02,507 --> 00:23:04,050 And have more than one source 375 00:23:04,134 --> 00:23:07,053 that tells us he may be looking for a divorce was… 376 00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:08,555 Made it very interesting. 377 00:23:10,515 --> 00:23:12,225 [Frank] If there was a divorce, 378 00:23:12,308 --> 00:23:15,061 Ros wouldn't have wanted to give up Philip. 379 00:23:15,145 --> 00:23:20,024 Howard wouldn't give up Philip either, because Philip was everything to Howard. 380 00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:25,822 As time went along, I was convinced Philip is the reason for the murder. 381 00:23:28,116 --> 00:23:29,242 It had to be Ros. 382 00:23:29,325 --> 00:23:33,496 I… I can't think of anyone else who had the motive to do that. 383 00:23:34,747 --> 00:23:38,334 Ros told me that her and Evan were still being questioned, 384 00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:41,504 and that Frank was causing a big stink. 385 00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:44,215 She said, "Frank doesn't want to talk to me, 386 00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:47,093 and is angry, and thinks I did this." 387 00:23:47,177 --> 00:23:49,929 I just remember thinking 388 00:23:50,013 --> 00:23:55,602 that it was strange that the grandfather was… was upset with her. 389 00:23:58,188 --> 00:24:02,400 [Heather] I believed that Evan had been involved in Howard's death. 390 00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:06,571 I didn't really have that idea that she was involved at all. 391 00:24:07,864 --> 00:24:10,366 I remember having a conversation with her, 392 00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:15,413 and Ros was saying I had to choose between her and Philip, and my parents. 393 00:24:15,997 --> 00:24:19,584 And I'm 24 years old. You're gonna pick your parents. 394 00:24:22,086 --> 00:24:25,590 It was hard for me to understand, "Why do I have to choose?" 395 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:30,470 And then, after that conversation, we never saw her and Philip. 396 00:24:31,638 --> 00:24:35,433 My dad lost his son, and then he lost his grandson. 397 00:24:35,517 --> 00:24:40,104 Not having that ability to see someone that you know is still living is hard. 398 00:24:40,939 --> 00:24:42,899 And it wasn't Philip's choice. 399 00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:45,318 His mother made that choice for him. 400 00:24:45,902 --> 00:24:49,322 Just months after Howard's murder, 401 00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:54,619 Ros stopped the communication between Philip and me, and us. 402 00:24:56,663 --> 00:24:58,706 It's more than a tragic story. 403 00:24:58,790 --> 00:25:00,959 The whole family's broken up. 404 00:25:03,253 --> 00:25:06,339 I think the sting of losing contact with the grandchild, 405 00:25:06,422 --> 00:25:08,841 who looks and resembles Howard so much, 406 00:25:08,925 --> 00:25:11,553 has gotta be tremendously hurtful. 407 00:25:13,304 --> 00:25:16,266 I can't imagine the stress that puts on his family. 408 00:25:16,975 --> 00:25:21,396 [Frank] I… Howard, myself, and Philip used to go for breakfast 409 00:25:22,188 --> 00:25:23,606 once a week before school. 410 00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:28,653 We used to go to every Ranger game and the Yankee games. 411 00:25:28,736 --> 00:25:30,780 And I think about that often. 412 00:25:31,781 --> 00:25:37,036 No one knows how it feels that I can't see my grandson. 413 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:41,874 Because this is my… my first son's son. 414 00:25:43,293 --> 00:25:45,712 And my only son's son. 415 00:25:46,212 --> 00:25:48,214 [rhythmic ticking] 416 00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:56,055 [Parrino] I was convinced circumstantially that Evan and Roslyn were involved, 417 00:25:56,139 --> 00:25:57,932 but I knew we needed more. 418 00:25:58,016 --> 00:26:00,226 So we're canvassing a year later. 419 00:26:00,310 --> 00:26:05,189 And on the anniversary of the homicide, we put up posters 420 00:26:05,273 --> 00:26:10,028 at the scene of the murder and at the coffee shop on 56th Street. 421 00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:16,534 Very often, murderers come back to relive that fantasy again 422 00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,953 or somehow pay their respects, 423 00:26:19,037 --> 00:26:21,831 or homage to their work a year later. 424 00:26:23,291 --> 00:26:26,669 And the posters were gettin' torn down. 425 00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:28,129 [taut, tense strings music playing] 426 00:26:28,212 --> 00:26:31,549 We really saw this as an opportunity. 427 00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:33,343 So we put the posters back up, 428 00:26:33,426 --> 00:26:36,012 and then we set up to observe the location. 429 00:26:36,763 --> 00:26:38,473 And who's tearin' it down? 430 00:26:38,556 --> 00:26:43,770 They got a surveillance van, and they found out that it was… 431 00:26:43,853 --> 00:26:45,146 [jittery, tense music playing] 432 00:26:45,229 --> 00:26:49,275 …Ros's sister and her brother Evan taking the posters down. 433 00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:54,697 I don't think anyone would like to see those posters up there, 434 00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:57,742 and you're the one they're looking for, and you're the murderer. 435 00:26:57,825 --> 00:27:01,204 [Parrino] The reasoning they gave was it was interfering with business, 436 00:27:01,788 --> 00:27:03,539 which just rocked us. 437 00:27:06,793 --> 00:27:08,920 I used to call the police every day. 438 00:27:09,003 --> 00:27:11,172 Sometimes twice a day or more. 439 00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:15,885 One time, Roger Parrino said, "Frank, listen to this." 440 00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:18,721 "I'll let you know when we hit the brick wall." 441 00:27:18,805 --> 00:27:21,057 The district attorney did not want to prosecute. 442 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:23,643 He didn't have enough evidence. It was circumstantial. 443 00:27:23,726 --> 00:27:25,728 [intense, brooding music playing] 444 00:27:27,814 --> 00:27:30,566 [Lederer] Three years after the murder of Howard Pilmar, 445 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:35,613 the investigation was going on, 446 00:27:35,697 --> 00:27:39,951 and I don't think the police felt like they were getting anywhere. 447 00:27:40,034 --> 00:27:42,286 But even though we're looking at Ros for murder, 448 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:44,080 she embezzled money, 449 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,416 so they arrested her for that. 450 00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,670 Maybe they were hoping to put pressure on her 451 00:27:50,753 --> 00:27:55,383 so she would give up Evan or admit to something, but she didn't. 452 00:27:56,217 --> 00:27:59,595 Her attorneys timed it so well. They had to postpone the sentencing once. 453 00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:02,640 By the time she was sentenced, she had paid everything back. 454 00:28:02,724 --> 00:28:05,101 And so she got probation. 455 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,023 She made payment, and had the money, 'cause she had the insurance policy, 456 00:28:11,107 --> 00:28:14,235 and all these other things she got from the homicide. 457 00:28:14,902 --> 00:28:17,280 Three years after Howard was murdered, 458 00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:21,993 things had advanced with technology and DNA. 459 00:28:22,076 --> 00:28:27,457 There was a blood drop in between the sink and where the… the actual body was found. 460 00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:30,877 That drop of blood ends up turning out to be Evan's. 461 00:28:32,003 --> 00:28:34,005 That was pretty interesting information to get. 462 00:28:34,088 --> 00:28:35,798 Unfortunately, it leaves an issue, 463 00:28:35,882 --> 00:28:38,885 because that drop could have been days before the murder, right? 464 00:28:38,968 --> 00:28:40,553 He had access to that location. 465 00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:44,348 This is why domestic violence cases are so difficult to do. 466 00:28:44,432 --> 00:28:45,725 Because, many times, 467 00:28:45,808 --> 00:28:50,396 your murderer had access to the victim and the area long before the homicide. 468 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,482 [suspenseful music playing] 469 00:28:54,317 --> 00:28:59,155 The evidence all directed itself towards Roslyn Pilmar and her brother Evan. 470 00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:02,950 There was nothing else that came up that led us in any other direction. 471 00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:03,868 Nothin'. 472 00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:07,705 Your audience is gonna believe that this is a simple case 473 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:09,540 based on what they're hearing, 474 00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:11,876 but it's not simple when it comes to the laws, 475 00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:12,835 and rightfully so. 476 00:29:12,919 --> 00:29:15,963 You have to be able to prove this stuff beyond a reasonable doubt. 477 00:29:16,547 --> 00:29:19,967 You don't want to make an arrest unless you're ready to go to court, 478 00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:21,969 go to trial, go to a grand jury. 479 00:29:22,053 --> 00:29:23,971 It was clear to us we needed more. 480 00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:27,767 [Frank] One day, Parrino came to me. 481 00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:31,229 He said to me, "Frank, I think we hit that brick wall." 482 00:29:31,312 --> 00:29:33,439 [tense, mysterious music playing] 483 00:29:33,523 --> 00:29:36,901 I put this obituary in the New York Times 484 00:29:36,984 --> 00:29:41,113 every year on the anniversary of Howard's murder. 485 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:47,161 Maybe someone out there would tell me what they may know about the case. 486 00:29:47,662 --> 00:29:53,417 Even after Parrino was not the lieutenant in charge of the murder anymore, 487 00:29:53,918 --> 00:29:58,756 I still called Midtown South practically every day. 488 00:29:59,757 --> 00:30:01,259 I wouldn't let go. 489 00:30:03,636 --> 00:30:07,390 [Heather] My father felt that one day it was gonna be solved. 490 00:30:07,473 --> 00:30:10,351 This is what got him up out of bed every day. 491 00:30:10,434 --> 00:30:13,020 You know, "The case is gonna be solved one day." 492 00:30:13,104 --> 00:30:15,940 "We're gonna pray. The case is gonna get solved." 493 00:30:16,941 --> 00:30:19,610 Just dealing with it, that Howard is dead… 494 00:30:20,611 --> 00:30:24,824 and the murderers walk around free. 495 00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:26,993 It's a gnawing ache. 496 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:33,457 [Frank] All these years, you know, we'd go out to dinner with friends, 497 00:30:33,541 --> 00:30:36,752 and they just wanted to hear what's new. 498 00:30:36,836 --> 00:30:40,423 They were looking for information about the case. 499 00:30:40,506 --> 00:30:41,924 I used to sit down and say, 500 00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:44,635 "Is it possible they could get away with this?" 501 00:30:44,719 --> 00:30:46,721 [mysterious music trailing off] 502 00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:48,848 [train rumbling] 503 00:31:00,943 --> 00:31:04,447 [Parrino] In 2013, I was serving with the Marine Corps 504 00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:05,990 as a civilian advisor. 505 00:31:09,452 --> 00:31:13,372 After 9/11, I think survival guilt from September 11th 506 00:31:13,456 --> 00:31:16,208 is what motivates me to go to the Middle East 507 00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:18,669 for seven years and five deployments. 508 00:31:18,753 --> 00:31:22,006 During my last deployment, I got a call telling me 509 00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:25,301 that they were gonna reopen the Howard Pilmar case. 510 00:31:25,384 --> 00:31:27,887 There's very few cases I continue to think about 511 00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:29,555 because they're unsolved, 512 00:31:29,639 --> 00:31:31,515 but this was the number one one. 513 00:31:32,975 --> 00:31:36,812 [Mooney] I think every single detective on the face of the earth has a case 514 00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:40,066 that has eluded them for some reason or another, 515 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,320 and it becomes the Moby Dick of their careers. 516 00:31:44,987 --> 00:31:48,074 And so you always think about it. 517 00:31:48,157 --> 00:31:50,660 Lots of times, people don't like Cold Case to get involved. 518 00:31:50,743 --> 00:31:52,662 They're afraid they're gonna criticize your case. 519 00:31:52,745 --> 00:31:53,955 I wasn't concerned about that. 520 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,168 In 2013, I was retired from the police department about three years, 521 00:31:59,251 --> 00:32:03,422 and was working at the New York County District Attorney's office 522 00:32:03,506 --> 00:32:07,259 as the Deputy Chief Investigator for the Trial Division. 523 00:32:07,343 --> 00:32:11,263 [Lederer] Rob Mooney is one of the smartest detectives ever. 524 00:32:11,347 --> 00:32:14,767 He was called in just to, you know, give advice or direction. 525 00:32:17,687 --> 00:32:19,480 [Parrino] When they called me in Afghanistan, 526 00:32:19,563 --> 00:32:21,983 I thought it was great that the Pilmar case was alive, 527 00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:24,110 and somebody was gonna give it a fresh look. 528 00:32:24,193 --> 00:32:29,782 I remember explaining how the evidence all directed itself 529 00:32:29,865 --> 00:32:32,910 towards Roslyn Pilmar and her brother Evan. 530 00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:36,205 [Mooney] In cold case work, 531 00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:39,667 you can't focus on what was focused on originally, 532 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:41,669 because that didn't end the right way. 533 00:32:42,503 --> 00:32:45,423 So you gotta look at everything right from the start. 534 00:32:45,923 --> 00:32:48,884 If we were close-minded in some way and missed something, 535 00:32:48,968 --> 00:32:50,886 then let's find out the truth. 536 00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:53,514 I think it's great that new eyes look at it. 537 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:55,558 The case was in good hands. 538 00:33:01,772 --> 00:33:03,858 [Frank] One day, Liz called me 539 00:33:03,941 --> 00:33:07,486 and told me that she was working on the case. 540 00:33:07,987 --> 00:33:11,032 The first time that I met Liz Lederer, 541 00:33:11,115 --> 00:33:13,909 we were in her office full of cartons, 542 00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:15,953 and they all said "Pilmar" on it. 543 00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:18,664 I know she was working very, very hard at the case. 544 00:33:18,748 --> 00:33:20,166 [tense music playing] 545 00:33:20,249 --> 00:33:23,335 There was so much you had to do before you got to even solving it. 546 00:33:24,628 --> 00:33:28,049 You have to read every piece of paper. You gotta look at every video. 547 00:33:28,132 --> 00:33:30,593 You gotta talk to every single person you can find. 548 00:33:30,676 --> 00:33:32,136 We kept going through boxes. 549 00:33:32,845 --> 00:33:37,475 There's one scrap of paper that had the name Arnold Brewer on it. 550 00:33:37,558 --> 00:33:38,976 We tracked him down. 551 00:33:39,602 --> 00:33:42,188 He was a really close friend of Howard's. 552 00:33:42,938 --> 00:33:45,524 [Mooney] Howard Pilmar was supposed to meet his friend Arnold Brewer 553 00:33:45,608 --> 00:33:48,903 and go watch the NCAA, and didn't show up. 554 00:33:49,487 --> 00:33:50,821 [Lederer] He said, "Howard told me 555 00:33:50,905 --> 00:33:52,865 he was going to the gym with his brother-in-law, 556 00:33:52,948 --> 00:33:54,617 but he'd come straight after." 557 00:33:55,326 --> 00:33:58,746 Evan Wald and Ros Pilmar had both told the police 558 00:33:58,829 --> 00:34:02,541 that Evan and Howard got back from the gym at about 8:00 p.m. 559 00:34:02,625 --> 00:34:05,252 Howard was gonna stay in the office and work. 560 00:34:05,336 --> 00:34:10,883 Turns out that Arnold Brewer had a date with Howard that very night, 561 00:34:10,966 --> 00:34:12,301 that very moment. 562 00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:15,513 So Howard wasn't gonna stay and work. 563 00:34:15,596 --> 00:34:19,517 Arnold Brewer closed that window for the murder 564 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,812 into just the smallest timeframe. 565 00:34:23,479 --> 00:34:27,024 We learned during the investigation, the night of the murder, 566 00:34:27,108 --> 00:34:32,196 Ros called Howard in the office and left him a voicemail. 567 00:34:33,405 --> 00:34:36,534 [woman] Hi, How. It's, um, like, a quarter to ten, 568 00:34:36,617 --> 00:34:39,620 and Philip and I were wondering if you were still at work working, 569 00:34:39,703 --> 00:34:42,832 or if you went off to some sports bar, like you said you wanted to, 570 00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:44,834 to go watch the NCAAs. 571 00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:49,255 Anyway, I got home, I guess, by, like, uh, 8:10, 8:15. 572 00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:52,508 Give me a call. Let me know what time you're gonna be home. 573 00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:57,054 She lays out in so much more detail than you would ever leave for somebody 574 00:34:57,138 --> 00:35:01,016 that you had just spoken to and you expect to see in half an hour. 575 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,728 I remember hearing the voice message. Once you start looking at everything… 576 00:35:04,812 --> 00:35:07,898 Any one thing is not good enough by itself. 577 00:35:07,982 --> 00:35:11,527 You start attaching all the circumstantial evidence together, 578 00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:13,571 and it really lays out one path, 579 00:35:14,071 --> 00:35:17,032 to Evan and Roslyn killing Howard that night. 580 00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:20,619 [Lederer] After looking at all the evidence 581 00:35:20,703 --> 00:35:23,706 and talking to so many of Howard's friends, 582 00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:27,251 we were sure that Ros Pilmar and Evan Wald did it. 583 00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:34,341 Ron Tucker hears Howard cursing at his wife. He's furious at her. 584 00:35:34,425 --> 00:35:36,343 That's at, like, 5:30. 585 00:35:36,427 --> 00:35:39,513 I mean, calling her all sorts of names. 586 00:35:39,597 --> 00:35:41,891 The same night, she leaves the message. 587 00:35:41,974 --> 00:35:46,061 And she ends it with, "Love ya, Howie." 588 00:35:46,145 --> 00:35:48,147 [unsettling music playing] 589 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,528 And there's something so calculated about that voice message. 590 00:35:54,612 --> 00:35:57,489 She knows what she's doing is leaving a piece of evidence. 591 00:35:57,573 --> 00:36:00,367 It will show that I missed him. I thought he was alive. 592 00:36:00,451 --> 00:36:02,203 I called him and said I love you. 593 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:07,958 Given the timing of it, Howard was already dead on the floor. 594 00:36:08,042 --> 00:36:10,044 [chilling music playing] 595 00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:15,758 Ros created this whole story. 596 00:36:15,841 --> 00:36:19,970 She created the whole scenario so that Howard could be killed. 597 00:36:20,054 --> 00:36:21,972 Without her, it never would have happened. 598 00:36:22,056 --> 00:36:25,517 Ros had planned it that she would get the life insurance, 599 00:36:25,601 --> 00:36:30,022 the businesses, the summer house, the interest in the ski house. 600 00:36:30,105 --> 00:36:33,025 She would get sole custody of their son. 601 00:36:33,108 --> 00:36:35,736 But after it became clear to us, 602 00:36:35,819 --> 00:36:39,490 then it became clear we needed to be able to prove it in court. 603 00:36:41,283 --> 00:36:44,453 Evan had the cuts, and Evan's blood is at the scene, 604 00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:47,998 and we have 100 people who know how much Evan hates Howard. 605 00:36:48,082 --> 00:36:51,335 What we needed to find was evidence that tied Ros to it 606 00:36:51,418 --> 00:36:53,587 so that we could charge them both. 607 00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:56,632 [Frank] Ms. Lederer said to me, 608 00:36:56,715 --> 00:37:01,345 "I know we're gonna get Evan, but I can't promise anything about Ros." 609 00:37:01,428 --> 00:37:04,390 But I felt very confident with her. 610 00:37:04,473 --> 00:37:06,600 [tense, frantic music playing] 611 00:37:07,309 --> 00:37:10,688 [Lederer] We realized the only person left was the babysitter. 612 00:37:11,939 --> 00:37:14,900 And I said, "We have to find that babysitter." 613 00:37:14,984 --> 00:37:18,070 Allyson Lewis lived inside that family. 614 00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:20,572 She knew how things usually ran, 615 00:37:20,656 --> 00:37:24,868 and she could answer things for us that we wouldn't have known. 616 00:37:26,453 --> 00:37:29,832 We, as the detectives, spoke to the babysitter early in the investigation 617 00:37:29,915 --> 00:37:33,377 and didn't feel that we got a great amount of cooperation. 618 00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:39,425 I think, at the time, she was a very young woman, and, uh… 619 00:37:39,508 --> 00:37:45,931 perhaps was not thinking clearly about the ramifications. 620 00:37:49,143 --> 00:37:53,856 [Lewis] As a 21-year-old, to be questioned by police, it was scary. 621 00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:57,276 I was really just answering their questions to the best I could. 622 00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:00,070 The questions were primarily about Howard, 623 00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:03,282 and I didn't have a lot of interactions with Howard. 624 00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:10,581 And then I got a job in Japan and ended up leaving the country. 625 00:38:10,664 --> 00:38:13,292 I didn't stay in contact with Ros. 626 00:38:13,917 --> 00:38:15,711 Twenty years later, I get a phone call. 627 00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:19,882 And I was like, "Whoa, gosh." 628 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:25,012 And she says, "I'd like to talk to you about the murder of Howard Pilmar." 629 00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:29,308 [Lederer] Allyson Lewis said she wanted to meet us at the office of her lawyer. 630 00:38:29,391 --> 00:38:32,186 I wondered what she thought she might have done wrong 631 00:38:32,269 --> 00:38:36,940 that she wanted, um… she wanted to have a lawyer there. 632 00:38:37,024 --> 00:38:39,735 But when she came in, she was lovely. 633 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:41,862 She just spilled her heart out. 634 00:38:42,404 --> 00:38:44,490 And it was fascinating. 635 00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:47,701 It just gave us a glimpse into a world we wouldn't have known. 636 00:38:48,452 --> 00:38:53,290 [Lewis] When I met them, Liz asked me, "What was it usually like?" 637 00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:56,168 "Tell me about a week in the life." 638 00:38:56,251 --> 00:38:58,128 "Tell me about their house." 639 00:39:00,923 --> 00:39:05,052 For the Pilmars, and for Philip, everything was a regimented schedule. 640 00:39:05,135 --> 00:39:06,136 So, tight. 641 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:10,599 For all the time that I worked for Ros, she was very specific about time. 642 00:39:11,433 --> 00:39:15,979 She described everything about the apartment, and the lifestyle, 643 00:39:16,063 --> 00:39:18,816 and… and how Ros ran that house. 644 00:39:19,566 --> 00:39:20,776 And when we said, 645 00:39:20,859 --> 00:39:25,239 "Was there anything unusual about the week in which he was murdered?" 646 00:39:25,322 --> 00:39:28,534 She said, "It's not that anything so unusual happened." 647 00:39:28,617 --> 00:39:31,245 "It's how many things happened for the first time." 648 00:39:34,373 --> 00:39:38,669 [Lewis] In the weeks leading up to Howard's murder, Ros told me, 649 00:39:38,752 --> 00:39:41,422 "I'm gonna need you to work late in a couple weeks." 650 00:39:42,923 --> 00:39:46,093 And then the night of the murder, 651 00:39:46,718 --> 00:39:49,513 Ros told me she would be meeting with Evan and Howard 652 00:39:49,596 --> 00:39:52,641 at King that night for a finance meeting. 653 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,771 I took Philip to hockey practice. 654 00:39:57,855 --> 00:40:02,151 Philip had about a two-hour practice four nights a week. 655 00:40:02,234 --> 00:40:06,780 And over the loudspeaker is my name. She had me paged. 656 00:40:06,864 --> 00:40:09,366 That had never happened before. That was the first time. 657 00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:12,661 She said, "How's it going over there?" 658 00:40:12,744 --> 00:40:17,124 I was like, "We're still first scrimmage. They're talking about second scrimmage." 659 00:40:17,207 --> 00:40:19,209 She was like, "That's fine. Sounds good." 660 00:40:19,293 --> 00:40:22,629 She said even that call was weird because she didn't have anything to say. 661 00:40:22,713 --> 00:40:26,508 It wasn't 20 to 30 minutes later, 662 00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:31,346 I hear my name over the loudspeaker again to come to the front desk. 663 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:33,015 I call her again. 664 00:40:33,515 --> 00:40:39,730 And Ros just says nothing more really informative, 665 00:40:39,813 --> 00:40:44,485 except for, "If I'm not there by the time he gets done with the scrimmage, 666 00:40:44,568 --> 00:40:46,528 you'll take the car back to the house." 667 00:40:46,612 --> 00:40:50,240 "I don't know if I'm coming or not, 'cause we're not done here." 668 00:40:50,824 --> 00:40:52,743 [Lederer] She said, "We're not done here," 669 00:40:52,826 --> 00:40:55,746 which, in the context of what they were really doing, 670 00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:57,414 is so chilling to me. 671 00:40:57,956 --> 00:41:00,542 That was what was really unusual for her. 672 00:41:00,626 --> 00:41:03,003 She always knew what time she was gonna be home. 673 00:41:03,086 --> 00:41:06,298 She always had the specifics of what I was to do 674 00:41:06,381 --> 00:41:07,883 and what she was going to do. 675 00:41:12,513 --> 00:41:15,807 Most evenings, it was a really vibrant household. 676 00:41:16,308 --> 00:41:18,393 Phones ringing. She's on the phone. 677 00:41:18,977 --> 00:41:21,563 Neighbors are coming over to visit. All the lights are on. 678 00:41:21,647 --> 00:41:23,482 The TVs were on. 679 00:41:23,565 --> 00:41:27,528 Like, it was just a very loud, exciting house. 680 00:41:27,611 --> 00:41:28,445 And not that night. 681 00:41:28,529 --> 00:41:29,530 [ominous stinger] 682 00:41:31,031 --> 00:41:34,117 The light above the stove was on. 683 00:41:34,743 --> 00:41:36,870 That was the only light on in the house. 684 00:41:36,954 --> 00:41:41,750 I opened the door, and she peeked around this threshold. 685 00:41:41,833 --> 00:41:43,835 Had a bathrobe, wet hair. 686 00:41:43,919 --> 00:41:45,712 Never seen her like that ever. 687 00:41:46,255 --> 00:41:50,300 And she said, "Oh, how'd it go?" 688 00:41:50,384 --> 00:41:54,471 "I'm sure you're really tired. It's time for bed. Thank you, Allyson." 689 00:41:54,972 --> 00:41:58,850 And, you know, all her body language was like, "We're done." 690 00:41:58,934 --> 00:42:00,435 "You're not coming in." 691 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,521 She said, "You can leave the bag there." 692 00:42:02,604 --> 00:42:07,276 I didn't even get the bag practically past the door, and she said, "Good night." 693 00:42:08,277 --> 00:42:11,071 When I ended my day, she'd never do that. 694 00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:13,031 She wanted to talk, every time, 695 00:42:13,115 --> 00:42:17,494 about every detail that Philip had experienced during the day. 696 00:42:17,578 --> 00:42:19,121 She would want to know everything. 697 00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:21,957 And so that, that was very different. 698 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:26,628 [Lederer] Siobhan Berry and I… Siobhan was the investigator. 699 00:42:26,712 --> 00:42:29,881 We were both just looking at Allyson and thought, 700 00:42:31,717 --> 00:42:35,304 "This is gonna make the difference." I knew she was thinking the same thing. 701 00:42:35,387 --> 00:42:36,638 They were making notes, 702 00:42:36,722 --> 00:42:40,017 and they were looking across the table at each other 703 00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:44,229 like this was all really important information. 704 00:42:44,313 --> 00:42:49,901 [Lederer] Allyson filled in so many blanks and gray areas. 705 00:42:49,985 --> 00:42:52,195 We both came out and it was just like, 706 00:42:52,279 --> 00:42:54,990 "Wow. That was amazing." 707 00:42:55,782 --> 00:43:02,289 The new information from Allyson Lewis that described atypical behavior by Ros, 708 00:43:02,789 --> 00:43:05,459 both in the days leading up to and afterwards… 709 00:43:05,542 --> 00:43:09,504 These deviations from the norm are huge indicators. 710 00:43:10,589 --> 00:43:14,217 People tell on themselves when they do something they never did before 711 00:43:14,301 --> 00:43:16,470 and that needs to be explained. 712 00:43:18,263 --> 00:43:21,683 [Lederer] Allyson Lewis gave us information 713 00:43:21,767 --> 00:43:24,895 that brought Ros into this much more 714 00:43:24,978 --> 00:43:30,108 and showed how much she actually had to do to set this up. 715 00:43:30,192 --> 00:43:35,697 And we could find things that corroborated what she told us. 716 00:43:35,781 --> 00:43:37,741 This had taken us over the hurdle. 717 00:43:39,034 --> 00:43:41,370 [Mooney] You build your circumstantial case 718 00:43:41,453 --> 00:43:42,829 with little stones. 719 00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:46,917 And you just keep going out and finding little stones 720 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,503 until you get a big enough pile of stones 721 00:43:49,586 --> 00:43:52,422 that you have overwhelming evidence now. 722 00:43:52,506 --> 00:43:56,134 Albeit circumstantial, but powerful evidence. 723 00:43:56,885 --> 00:44:00,430 With the new information from what Howard Pilmar's friend Arnold 724 00:44:00,514 --> 00:44:02,599 and the nanny told the detectives, 725 00:44:03,183 --> 00:44:05,310 there was enough to make an arrest. 726 00:44:06,561 --> 00:44:08,980 [Caddigan] The arrest took place in 2017. 727 00:44:09,064 --> 00:44:12,275 Ros was arrested in her apartment, six o'clock in the morning. 728 00:44:12,359 --> 00:44:14,444 She was livin' with her boyfriend at the time. 729 00:44:14,528 --> 00:44:16,905 Evan Wald was arrested at the same time. 730 00:44:17,781 --> 00:44:20,117 I felt elated! 731 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,161 I couldn't believe it, that they were both arrested. 732 00:44:24,121 --> 00:44:27,290 A long time coming, to say the very least. 733 00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:29,501 But it came. 734 00:44:31,211 --> 00:44:32,212 It came. 735 00:44:32,295 --> 00:44:34,840 [mysterious, dramatic music playing] 736 00:44:34,923 --> 00:44:38,385 This is something I've been waiting for for over 20-something years. 737 00:44:38,468 --> 00:44:42,389 We went to the trial every single day. 738 00:44:43,056 --> 00:44:47,477 First day of the trial, I was going into the men's room, 739 00:44:47,978 --> 00:44:50,897 and Philip was coming out of the men's room. 740 00:44:51,898 --> 00:44:56,319 Last time I saw him was at breakfast, just after Howard's murder. 741 00:44:57,070 --> 00:45:01,867 When I saw him, he looked just like Howard. 742 00:45:02,576 --> 00:45:04,870 And I said, "Howard." 743 00:45:04,953 --> 00:45:06,997 That's how much they looked alike. 744 00:45:07,497 --> 00:45:10,876 He didn't say a word back to me. Not a word. 745 00:45:13,295 --> 00:45:16,923 It's a circumstantial case, and every single piece of it mattered. 746 00:45:18,091 --> 00:45:20,552 I knew this case backwards and forwards. 747 00:45:20,635 --> 00:45:24,264 Whatever their defense was, we were prepared for it. 748 00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:29,978 Giving testimony against those two, it was phenomenal. 749 00:45:30,061 --> 00:45:34,024 It was an unbelievable feeling. Great satisfaction. 750 00:45:34,107 --> 00:45:36,109 I could see Frank in the audience. 751 00:45:36,193 --> 00:45:39,362 I could see Frank shaking his head when I testified. 752 00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:41,239 It was wonderful. 753 00:45:42,449 --> 00:45:45,786 But it doesn't mean shit without a guilty verdict. 754 00:45:45,869 --> 00:45:47,037 Doesn't mean anything. 755 00:45:47,537 --> 00:45:50,081 There was an enormous amount of work that went into this. 756 00:45:50,791 --> 00:45:52,667 The trial lasted two months. 757 00:45:52,751 --> 00:45:54,419 [indistinct dialogue] 758 00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:57,506 [man] I cleaned it up, and I cut my hand. 759 00:45:58,757 --> 00:46:00,425 [Frank] I wasn't aware 760 00:46:01,009 --> 00:46:04,763 that Howard was so brutally murdered. 761 00:46:05,889 --> 00:46:09,559 I knew he was stabbed, but I didn't know the extent 762 00:46:10,393 --> 00:46:14,523 of the actual murder until I heard it in court. 763 00:46:15,482 --> 00:46:19,402 I think that Evan got Howard from behind and just slashed his throat. 764 00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:22,906 Because he never would have been able to scream. 765 00:46:22,989 --> 00:46:26,868 And, to me, that would've been your first concern 766 00:46:26,952 --> 00:46:28,537 when you ambush somebody like that. 767 00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:33,124 So I think that was the first wound, and then it was a free-for-all. 768 00:46:33,208 --> 00:46:35,961 They slaughtered him. They didn't just kill him. 769 00:46:36,044 --> 00:46:39,089 They slaughtered him like a… like a pig in a pigsty. 770 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,010 And Ros was at the scene of the crime. They proved that she was. 771 00:46:45,929 --> 00:46:48,431 [Lewis] I did really admire Ros. 772 00:46:48,974 --> 00:46:54,521 And I had a picture of her that I thought was who I knew. 773 00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:57,858 And so when I realized, 774 00:46:57,941 --> 00:47:00,861 wow, there was so much that I didn't see, 775 00:47:00,944 --> 00:47:02,612 it was like the bottom fell out. 776 00:47:05,782 --> 00:47:08,785 [Tucker] The jury deliberated for at least four days. 777 00:47:08,869 --> 00:47:11,371 Not so good. Couldn't understand it. 778 00:47:11,454 --> 00:47:13,915 [suspenseful, dramatic music playing] 779 00:47:15,667 --> 00:47:17,002 All rise! 780 00:47:17,085 --> 00:47:22,966 Ros and Evan were announced guilty right then and there. 781 00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:27,971 Guilty of murder in the second degree. 782 00:47:28,805 --> 00:47:32,225 That courtroom was echoing in the word "guilty." 783 00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:36,271 It was really powerful. 784 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,359 My mother kept yelling, "Guilty, guilty, guilty!" 785 00:47:42,027 --> 00:47:43,862 It was like euphoria, you know? 786 00:47:43,945 --> 00:47:48,742 Like, this… this emotion of beyond happiness 787 00:47:48,825 --> 00:47:53,371 that we got justice for Howard after all these years. 788 00:47:53,872 --> 00:47:58,960 I know we would not have ever had a trial, much less the conviction, 789 00:47:59,044 --> 00:48:01,212 if not for Elizabeth Lederer. 790 00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:04,674 [Lederer] I went back to see Frank, 791 00:48:04,758 --> 00:48:07,636 who, you know, had been so patient all these years. 792 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:08,970 And he just… 793 00:48:09,554 --> 00:48:12,557 It was, "Guilty, guilty! They're both guilty!" 794 00:48:12,641 --> 00:48:16,811 He had his cell phone out, and he started calling everybody he knew. 795 00:48:16,895 --> 00:48:19,147 "Guilty! Guilty!" And then call the next one. 796 00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:23,526 It was, um… He'd waited so long for this to happen. 797 00:48:33,745 --> 00:48:35,747 [soft, melancholy music playing] 798 00:48:37,666 --> 00:48:40,377 [Lederer] Frank stood up to speak at the sentencing. 799 00:48:41,211 --> 00:48:45,298 [Frank] I can't get sleep because I keep thinking 800 00:48:45,382 --> 00:48:51,471 about the terror and the fear that went through Howard's mind 801 00:48:51,554 --> 00:48:53,807 in those last seconds 802 00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:57,394 that he was slaughtered and butchered by those two. 803 00:48:58,728 --> 00:49:03,525 That day in March, I lost three things. 804 00:49:04,275 --> 00:49:09,155 Two of which I can never ever get back, my son and my business. 805 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,324 But I also lost Philip. 806 00:49:11,825 --> 00:49:13,910 And I know Philip doesn't want to look at me. 807 00:49:13,994 --> 00:49:15,787 I'm sorry about that, 808 00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:17,914 but I just want him to know 809 00:49:17,998 --> 00:49:21,042 we love you and we want you back. 810 00:49:21,543 --> 00:49:22,544 Please. 811 00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:28,133 As much as Frank wanted the people responsible to be held accountable, 812 00:49:28,633 --> 00:49:31,469 he really wanted to have a relationship with Philip. 813 00:49:33,596 --> 00:49:38,518 [Frank] I found out that Philip went to the London School of Economics. 814 00:49:39,019 --> 00:49:41,104 And I didn't know anything about this. 815 00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:45,442 I couldn't get any of this wonderful news 816 00:49:45,525 --> 00:49:48,611 about this kid who grew up. 817 00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:51,489 My grandson. 818 00:49:51,573 --> 00:49:54,284 My… My son's only son. 819 00:49:56,703 --> 00:49:57,829 I want him back. 820 00:49:57,912 --> 00:50:00,498 We love him, and that's it. 821 00:50:00,999 --> 00:50:02,542 And it still holds. 822 00:50:06,921 --> 00:50:09,758 [soft, plaintive music playing] 823 00:50:11,092 --> 00:50:15,221 [Tucker] Philip pled before the judge 824 00:50:15,722 --> 00:50:18,558 for leniency for his mother 825 00:50:18,641 --> 00:50:20,226 who murdered his father. 826 00:50:21,728 --> 00:50:23,813 How… How… 827 00:50:23,897 --> 00:50:25,899 You're asking for lenience? 828 00:50:27,942 --> 00:50:29,569 [haltingly] I don't know. 829 00:50:30,904 --> 00:50:34,699 [Frank] I haven't heard Philip speak 830 00:50:35,283 --> 00:50:38,203 until at the sentencing. 831 00:50:38,286 --> 00:50:40,663 And he was talking about his mother. 832 00:50:40,747 --> 00:50:43,708 How great she was, bringing him up. 833 00:50:44,209 --> 00:50:46,127 I think the only thing she did 834 00:50:46,211 --> 00:50:49,798 was to fill his mind with hatred for our family. 835 00:50:49,881 --> 00:50:51,674 And I'm sure he blames me. 836 00:50:51,758 --> 00:50:54,219 Her whole family must blame me. 837 00:50:54,302 --> 00:50:58,223 Because they know I was the hawk on this for trial. 838 00:50:58,306 --> 00:50:59,474 I wouldn't let them go. 839 00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:05,522 He wants to defend her over his father's murder… 840 00:51:06,773 --> 00:51:07,899 so be it. 841 00:51:11,528 --> 00:51:13,822 [Parrino] It's gotta be very tough to be him. 842 00:51:13,905 --> 00:51:17,951 He's truly the second victim of this whole thing. 843 00:51:18,034 --> 00:51:19,285 Uh, after Howard. 844 00:51:19,369 --> 00:51:21,621 You're convinced your mother's saving you, 845 00:51:21,704 --> 00:51:24,791 and your grandfather's trying to get your mother in trouble 846 00:51:24,874 --> 00:51:26,709 when your mother didn't do anything. 847 00:51:26,793 --> 00:51:30,046 And this all gets played out legally, in a court of law. 848 00:51:30,964 --> 00:51:34,509 And it's not the way you were led to believe all those years. 849 00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:37,053 That's, uh… That's gotta be very rough. 850 00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:40,014 [judge] For this crime, for this murder, 851 00:51:40,515 --> 00:51:45,061 I sentence each of you to 25-years-to-life incarceration. 852 00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:48,356 [Mooney] Ros and Evan got 25 years to life. 853 00:51:48,439 --> 00:51:50,859 At their age, that's a life sentence for them. 854 00:51:50,942 --> 00:51:54,654 [Heather] Evan and… and Ros got what they deserve. 855 00:51:54,737 --> 00:51:58,032 They got to live free for 23 years. 856 00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:02,453 And now they should be locked up for at least 23 years. 857 00:52:04,831 --> 00:52:08,209 Judge gives the sentence. Philip gets up abruptly. 858 00:52:10,086 --> 00:52:13,214 Like, in a huff, and walks out of there. 859 00:52:14,591 --> 00:52:17,302 I was invited to the sentencing. 860 00:52:18,011 --> 00:52:23,016 I ended up being late, and the door comes swinging open, 861 00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:28,479 and the image in front of me is Howard Pilmar, 862 00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:31,608 which really knocked me for a loop. 863 00:52:31,691 --> 00:52:33,276 Even though I never met Howard, 864 00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:37,155 I had seen enough photographs during the investigation 865 00:52:37,238 --> 00:52:38,990 to know exactly what he looked like. 866 00:52:39,073 --> 00:52:41,910 And that person was Philip. 867 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,336 [Mooney] Closing a cold case is a big deal for the people that do it. 868 00:52:51,836 --> 00:52:53,087 It's very satisfying. 869 00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:59,802 But for the families, a guilty verdict doesn't cure the pain. 870 00:53:03,556 --> 00:53:05,099 [Frank] I just picture Howard, 871 00:53:05,725 --> 00:53:10,146 the fear that went through Howard's mind 872 00:53:10,647 --> 00:53:16,486 in those few seconds that he was being stabbed and slaughtered. 873 00:53:17,570 --> 00:53:21,199 That's the part that you can… can never get over. 874 00:53:21,866 --> 00:53:26,079 When I go to bed every night, I talk to him. 875 00:53:26,162 --> 00:53:29,165 And I said, "How could this have happened to you?" 876 00:53:29,249 --> 00:53:30,959 "Why didn't you tell me 877 00:53:31,042 --> 00:53:33,711 that you were having trouble with this woman?" 878 00:53:33,795 --> 00:53:34,796 [grunts] 879 00:53:35,713 --> 00:53:37,590 But I can't get any answers. 880 00:53:38,466 --> 00:53:40,468 [plaintive music trailing off] 881 00:53:43,054 --> 00:53:44,013 [train rumbling] 882 00:53:56,651 --> 00:53:59,279 [Mooney] A couple of years after Howard Pilmar's murder, 883 00:53:59,362 --> 00:54:02,699 we had a case with seven families involved. 884 00:54:02,782 --> 00:54:05,868 The level of intensity was enormous. 885 00:54:05,952 --> 00:54:07,537 [jittery, cryptic music playing] 886 00:54:08,121 --> 00:54:11,416 This case was heartbreaking in the extreme. 887 00:54:12,375 --> 00:54:15,503 [man] All of the victims were innocent, young girls. 888 00:54:16,713 --> 00:54:22,135 The magnitude of his crimes kinda punched everybody in the head. 889 00:54:22,885 --> 00:54:25,013 [reporter] He has been on the lam since Valentine's Day 890 00:54:25,096 --> 00:54:28,641 with at least one murder and two rapes, and that may not be all. 891 00:54:29,475 --> 00:54:33,354 [Plansky] "Serial killers." That phrase gets thrown around a lot. 892 00:54:33,438 --> 00:54:34,605 He was one of them. 893 00:54:38,276 --> 00:54:40,278 [dramatic outro music pulsing]