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You have me locked up
like some goddamn fucking turd.
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You have me jerking around
when somebody comes over to my house
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and then blows her fucking head open.
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Then you people come around,
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and arrest me,
bang the shit out of my fucking ass,
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and beat the shit out of me.
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I'm gonna make you fucking people
pay for this. This is bullshit.
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{\an8}Waiting at the Alhambra Police Department
in custody was Phil Spector.
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I knew from the phone call
from my lieutenant
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that he was a very wealthy music producer.
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Me, personally, I'd never heard of him.
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Spector's style
is often credited
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with changing how we hear pop music.
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This case was going to be
what I call "red ball,"
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{\an8}a case that's gonna
draw a lot of attention.
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And you have to recognize that going in.
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And I think we all did.
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The LA County Sheriff's Department
is the best of the best.
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Some of the highest-profile cases
are tried in Los Angeles.
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You have to be dedicated 110%.
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This is murder.
There's no more serious crime.
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It boils down to a passion
and a sense of duty.
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Justice comes from finding the truth.
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There's something special
and different about celebrity cases.
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And it's always been Los Angeles
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that seems to be
the epicenter of those cases.
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Everybody thinks of Los Angeles
and they think of Hollywood.
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Hollywood and actors
and directors and producers.
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There's so much more to it than that.
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However, that is
sort of the... the heartbeat of this city.
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LA is a funny place,
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{\an8}and the LA County sheriffs
serve the entire county,
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from the worst poverty
imaginable in America
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to the greatest wealth in America,
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to $100 million oceanfront estates.
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We police all of that.
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So it's quite a variety.
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My ultimate goal was Homicide.
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{\an8}And I was fortunate enough
in 1999 to make it.
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At the time,
my children were seven and nine.
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People were saying they're too young,
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because it's a lot of hours
and there's always something to do,
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but we worked around our family life.
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If that meant we're going in the office
at ten o'clock at night to get it done,
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that's what we were gonna do.
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My partner Paul Fornier and I
were about to get off call
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when we received a message from the desk
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that we were being assigned a case
in a mansion in Alhambra.
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And the only information we had...
That a woman was found dead,
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and a music producer was involved.
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I was a bit surprised that there was
this large palatial property there
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in this kind of small town
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that's really just a suburb
of downtown Los Angeles.
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Alhambra is a sleepy hollow.
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It's middle-class,
single-family residence.
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And now you have this monstrosity,
if you will, in the middle of nowhere.
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So as we got closer, we saw a large crowd
behind yellow crime scene tape.
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And I remember Paul said,
"Put on your big-boy pants."
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A female had been shot
inside of the residence.
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The victim has been pronounced dead
at the location.
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When I got there, it was an absolute zoo.
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The news copters were up above
and news vans up and down the street.
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When we arrived on scene,
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we first talked
to Alhambra police officers.
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Let me explain how it works.
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The sheriff's department
covers a large area of LA County.
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And in that county,
you have smaller municipalities.
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They have their own police department.
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However, they don't have the resources
that the sheriff's department has.
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There are 100 homicide detectives
in the LA County Sheriff's Department,
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so they will reach out to us,
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and we will assume responsibility
for the case.
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Alhambra police officers told me
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that they had received a 911 phone call
from Phil Spector's chauffeur.
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When they arrived,
they could see Phil Spector
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walking back and forth
in the upstairs window.
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They're trying to get his attention,
to come downstairs.
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And the guy's not complying.
He's not coming out.
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They entered the home
where they confronted Phil Spector.
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He's not cooperative.
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They see a woman slumped over in a chair,
obviously dead.
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Phil is ranting, "This is the most
devastating thing I've ever seen."
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One of the officers
had the whole thing recorded.
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This is
absolute fucking nonsense.
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I don't know what that fucking lady...
what her problem is.
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But she was with security
at the House of Blues.
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And I don't know
what her fucking problem was,
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but she certainly had no right
to come to my fucking castle,
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blow her fucking head open.
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What the fuck is wrong with you people?
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They have to tase him.
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I believe they even used
a ballistic shield to knock him down.
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The Alhambra officers conducted
a very preliminary investigation.
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Based on that investigation,
they took Mr. Phil Spector into custody.
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I've been around long enough to know
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that people take death
in a myriad of ways.
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You have to take into account everything.
You have to keep an open mind.
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And based on what Spector is saying,
suicide is a possibility.
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Back door was open.
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As we enter in, I see a young lady.
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She's sprawled out
in a chair in the foyer.
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There's a .38 caliber handgun by her foot.
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You could see she was suffering
from a gunshot wound inside of her mouth.
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We didn't know who she was.
We didn't know if they had a relationship.
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Maybe something went sideways.
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Is this a crime? Is this a suicide?
Could this be a horrible accident?
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A three-pronged investigation.
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We treat all death investigations
on the surface, at first glance,
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as if they're a murder.
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We send homicide cops to every suicide
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that occurs in the jurisdiction
of the Los Angeles County Sheriff.
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Every accidental death,
with the exception of a traffic collision,
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we send a homicide cop.
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{\an8}I'm starting to look at the paraphernalia
in Mr. Spector's home,
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and I am starting to grasp the importance
of this person in that industry.
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Phil Spector's fame
as a producer
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{\an8}at times eclipsed the artists
he worked with.
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You see Tina Turner. You see
pictures of the Righteous Brothers.
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You see the Beatles,
the Grammy nominations,
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{\an8}and all the awards
that he had gotten over the years.
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As the lead investigator,
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if this thing works out well,
kudos to you.
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But if it goes sideways,
you are held responsible.
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We assigned Mark Lillienfeld,
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one of the most seasoned detectives
at Homicide,
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to do the scene
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because we knew
that was going to be a critical part
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in this whole investigation.
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Big cases and Mark Lillienfeld
kind of go hand-in-hand.
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High-profile cases can stress cops out,
and I couldn't care less.
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We put the same amount of effort
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and resources and diligence
into every murder scene.
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The house was in horrible shape.
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It was poorly lit.
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It was filthy.
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And there were mice and rats and roaches.
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For somebody of such extreme wealth,
it was like, well, a bit out of character.
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You'd think he would live
this extravagant lifestyle.
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There was everything
in that house. I mean, literally.
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Like he was a multi-millionaire pack rat.
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You're like, "I know I need to make sure
that I don't miss something."
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But you're also like,
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"Spector probably hasn't
been in this room for six years."
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It was the most unique
crime scene investigation
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I'd ever been involved in,
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and truthfully,
one I'd never wanna have to do again.
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It was awful, it was terrible,
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because it was so convoluted.
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So we knew
we had the decedent remains right there.
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We had physical evidence of blood,
the gunshot wound that was visible.
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She'd been shot in the mouth.
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So there were teeth and fragments of teeth
that were spread out amongst her remains.
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They were on the carpeting.
They were across the room on a stairway.
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We collected it, we photographed it,
we diagrammed it, we held it for DNA.
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You gotta get past the ick factor
and the emotional part of that.
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You gotta get past that.
"What do these things tell me?"
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We're there to speak for the dead,
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and they leave us clues
with physical evidence.
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All of us knew that when
you're standing over a dead person,
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that's an awesome responsibility,
and you have to take it seriously.
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You have to take
a somewhat spiritual ideology.
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I could look at a dead body,
have no effect.
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That's just a shell,
and the person's spirit is already gone.
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I do think it has an accumulation,
being in the presence of death.
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The job can take its toll.
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Now you focus on solving it.
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And so we just methodically
took our time before releasing the scene.
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Usually, you hold a scene, maybe...
if there's a lot of evidence,
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maybe seven, eight hours.
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On this one, we held it over a day.
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On the floor
was a loaded .38 caliber revolver
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manufactured by the Colt firearms company,
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and there was one spent cartridge
in the cylinder of that weapon.
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There was, mixed in with that,
a thumb-lock device
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off of the back door to the home.
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Most people have a deadbolt
and it goes from the door into the frame,
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and it provides that extra security.
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In order to throw that deadbolt,
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you twist this thumb device,
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and that was off of the lock itself
and was lying on the floor.
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It was very unusual.
Like, "How did that happen?"
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Some people would say, "It looks like
the gun was placed by her foot."
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The problem is you could never reenact
where a gun would land.
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You know, gun drops,
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and it just flops around.
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A leather snap holster
was in a drawer of the bureau,
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and it was clear that that leather holster
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fit the two-inch
Colt blue-steel .38 caliber revolver.
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So, uh, that... that weapon
came from that holster.
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{\an8}It was about 5:00 p.m.,
almost 12 hours later.
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The coroner's office
finally had confirmation
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of the identity of the victim.
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{\an8}This was Lana Clarkson.
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{\an8}At that point, we were able to obtain
the mother's information.
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We're heading over to see Donna.
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I got a phone call
from Lana's sister, Fawn.
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{\an8}She said,
"Something could have happened to Lana."
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{\an8}"I don't know. Something's wrong."
I said, "What do you mean? What's wrong?"
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Fawn got a phone call from somebody,
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but she didn't really know too much.
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She said it could've had something
to do with the news on the television
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about a possible murder in Alhambra.
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Lana was supposed to call me,
but I hadn't heard from her.
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I thought perhaps there'd been a party,
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and she was being held along with
other people for investigations.
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I ended up calling the sheriff's office.
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While we're going to see Donna,
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she actually connected
with my partner Paul on the phone.
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I thought he was calling me back.
He said, "Where can I meet with you?"
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I was, like, taken aback. "Meet with me?"
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And, um...
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Excuse me.
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He told me Lana's address on the canal.
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He says, "Well, can we meet you there?"
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Then I was really concerned.
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I didn't know what was happening.
That wasn't a good sign.
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I pulled into the parking garage,
and I'm trying to keep my wits about me,
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and not be, you know, too upset,
not... without knowing anything.
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So I'm kind of cleaning the car up,
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and I pulled up a pair of shoes,
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and I remember holding the shoes, saying...
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"This can't be Lana. Here's her shoes."
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Sorry.
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{\an8}And then all of a sudden,
the detectives pulled in.
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{\an8}Her sister pulled in and brother.
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We all quietly walked around
to the front of the cottage
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and we went inside,
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and Detective Fornier looked at the floor,
and said it was Lana.
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Sorry.
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It doesn't matter
if that child is an adult or a little kid.
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I mean, it's just...
There's nothing worse and more unnatural
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than your children dying before you.
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And it's a tough, tough thing.
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Making the notification
of a death of a loved one...
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{\an8}Unequivocally, absolutely
the singular worst part of being a cop,
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and there's a lot of crappy parts
to being a cop.
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You need to find out everything
that's critically important
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as quickly as you can
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because it may affect
how we collect physical evidence.
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Me, my partner,
and the other eight detectives
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were still processing the scene.
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The more you know about a victim,
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the more likely you are
to understand how they died.
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These people have to process
what you're telling them,
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and now I'm gonna ask them too,
246
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"By the way, she was over
at Phil Spector's house."
247
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"Do you know who Phil Spector is?
Does she know who Phil Spector is?"
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"Do you know why she would be there?"
249
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And Donna says,
"No, she didn't know this man."
250
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In the entertainment industry,
everybody socializes after hours.
251
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I'm not surprised.
Lana was always networking.
252
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She had a lot going on.
Lana was a working actor.
253
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Well, I got a bus to catch.
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You know where to?
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Yeah, wherever it's going.
256
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Lana did
a lot of TV shows in the '80s.
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{\an8}She was in the Barbarian Queen movies.
258
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Lana fractured both her wrists,
259
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and it was really a big setback for her.
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She accidentally fell.
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And to brace her fall,
she ended up breaking both her wrists.
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She had to have pins placed in them.
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That was the beginning
of a whole year of recovery for her.
264
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We didn't stay long.
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Let them grieve privately.
266
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Right after
the incident happened,
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Phil Spector was arrested,
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and he told the Alhambra officers
that he wants an attorney.
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Soon as he said... uttered those words,
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it's hands off,
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and he immediately posted
a million-dollar bail.
272
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The DA's office attitude was,
"We're not gonna file this case."
273
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{\an8}"We're going to wait
until everything gets investigated."
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During the initial debriefing
by the Alhambra police officers,
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they said they did have one witness,
the chauffeur.
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{\an8}The person who made the initial 911 call,
Adriano De Souza.
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{\an8}So we need to get to that chauffeur.
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{\an8}- Detective Paul Fornier.
- Detective Richard Tomlin.
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{\an8}And we're here with...
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{\an8}Adriano De Souza.
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When we spoke
to Adriano De Souza,
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{\an8}he said he'd probably worked for Phil
ten to 15 times in the past.
283
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Adriano said Phil Spector
came out seven o'clock sharp,
284
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like he normally does.
285
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Then went to dinner and drinks
in West Hollywood.
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About 1:15, 1:20 in the morning,
287
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he was now directed
to go to the House of Blues.
288
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Later on, the House of Blues is closing.
289
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It's a little bit after 2:00,
and Lana is helping a drunk Phil Spector.
290
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He said, "I believe he was drunk."
291
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She takes him
and puts him in the back seat of the car.
292
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She gets in,
and they drive to Phil Spector's home.
293
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Adriano said he was parked
around the back of the residence.
294
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He was playing a bit of music.
He was dozing off.
295
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At about 5:00 in the morning,
296
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Adriano said he heard
a loud popping noise.
297
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It was enough to startle him,
for him to get out of his car.
298
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{\an8}Suddenly, the back door opened up.
299
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He saw Phil Spector
wearing a white jacket.
300
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{\an8}I saw his face.
301
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{\an8}And when I saw him,
he had a gun in the front.
302
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{\an8}Adriano could see blood on his hand.
303
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{\an8}I did like this movement,
304
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{\an8}and I saw the legs.
305
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{\an8}- I saw the lady in the chair...
- Okay.
306
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{\an8}...with blood all over the face.
307
00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:27,666
Spector looked at Adriano and said...
308
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{\an8}He told me, like,
"I think I... I killed somebody."
309
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Adriano felt that his life was in danger,
just started running.
310
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He called Phil's manager.
It immediately went to voicemail.
311
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Michelle.
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Michelle, you have to come
to Mr. Phillip's house.
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I think he killed a lady.
314
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I'm gonna call the police right now.
315
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Adriano said,
"I think Mr. Phil just killed somebody."
316
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He hung up the phone,
and then he dialed 911,
317
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and he told the dispatcher the same thing.
318
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In Los Angeles County,
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it can go as long as a week and a half
before an autopsy is performed.
320
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We're supposed to treat 'em all the same,
321
00:20:18,675 --> 00:20:21,345
but the reality is
it ain't always that way.
322
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This has gone all the way
to the sheriff himself.
323
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They wanna know what's going on.
324
00:20:27,392 --> 00:20:31,313
This autopsy was done, I wanna say,
the next day, which was unheard of.
325
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The major findings from the autopsy was
326
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there was one gunshot wound
inside of her mouth.
327
00:20:39,112 --> 00:20:41,365
Where the gunshot was
and how it was lodged,
328
00:20:41,365 --> 00:20:42,866
Lana died instantly.
329
00:20:43,659 --> 00:20:46,578
The bullet was on a downward angle.
330
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If you committed suicide,
331
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are you going to point the gun downward?
332
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It'd be more like it'd be level
or maybe even an upward angle.
333
00:20:57,422 --> 00:20:58,674
Mode of death is
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a legal determination
left to a medical doctor.
335
00:21:01,718 --> 00:21:03,178
He only has five choices.
336
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Homicide, suicide,
accident, natural, unknown.
337
00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:08,308
It's the coroner that determines that.
338
00:21:08,308 --> 00:21:10,102
Not a judge, not a jury.
339
00:21:10,102 --> 00:21:14,064
It's the coroner, the medical examiner,
makes that lawful determination.
340
00:21:15,983 --> 00:21:19,987
Dr. Pena was very, very thorough
to draw those conclusions.
341
00:21:19,987 --> 00:21:21,405
Part of it is experience,
342
00:21:21,405 --> 00:21:23,031
part of it is common sense,
343
00:21:23,031 --> 00:21:24,116
part of it is science.
344
00:21:25,325 --> 00:21:29,413
In this case,
Dr. Pena deferred the findings,
345
00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:32,791
and wanted to wait
for all the reports to come back
346
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before making a final determination.
347
00:21:36,378 --> 00:21:38,880
I am leaning more towards
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it's a murder or accident.
349
00:21:41,049 --> 00:21:44,261
We still have to develop, though,
could it be suicide?
350
00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:51,268
Was she depressed?
Was she in financial distress?
351
00:21:54,479 --> 00:21:57,858
We talked to her landlords.
Said she was a model tenant.
352
00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:03,947
That threw out that she's "struggling"
and doesn't have money to make ends meet.
353
00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:08,785
Anybody and everybody that we thought
had some relationship with her,
354
00:22:08,785 --> 00:22:11,830
whether business or personal,
we spoke to them.
355
00:22:12,831 --> 00:22:15,500
Everybody has
their down-in-the-dumps moments.
356
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:19,338
But she always pulled herself up,
and she got out of it,
357
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:22,341
and if she really needed something,
she could call me.
358
00:22:23,592 --> 00:22:25,594
No one said
she ever tried to hurt herself.
359
00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:28,638
No one ever said
that she even talked about suicide.
360
00:22:28,638 --> 00:22:33,477
She's a positive person
who'd never think about hurting herself.
361
00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:38,482
In a perfect world,
Lana'd go straight back to acting,
362
00:22:38,482 --> 00:22:41,568
{\an8}but as she had been
out of the scene for a year,
363
00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:45,197
{\an8}and she wasn't top of mind
for all the casting directors,
364
00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:47,616
{\an8}she had to figure out a way to survive,
365
00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:50,577
and this opportunity came
at the House of Blues.
366
00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:58,543
{\an8}Clarkson was working
as a hostess at the House of Blues.
367
00:22:59,294 --> 00:23:01,254
She was excited to be working.
368
00:23:01,254 --> 00:23:04,341
She was excited
that she had healed and was healthy.
369
00:23:04,341 --> 00:23:09,513
It was a privilege to be asked
to be the hostess of the Foundation Room.
370
00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:13,725
The Foundation Room at the House of Blues
was a very prestigious place.
371
00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:15,977
It was the who's who of Hollywood.
372
00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:20,565
As a guest of Lana's,
I met George Clooney there one night.
373
00:23:20,565 --> 00:23:24,903
If you were famous and in Hollywood,
you were visiting the Foundation Room.
374
00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:35,872
Paul and I
went to the House of Blues.
375
00:23:35,872 --> 00:23:38,417
We spoke to the manager,
the head of security,
376
00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:42,504
and then the waitress
that actually served Spector.
377
00:23:44,631 --> 00:23:46,007
Spector had come in,
378
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,469
and Lana was working
as a hostess that evening.
379
00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:53,181
He said, "Don't you know who I am?
I'm Phil Spector."
380
00:23:53,682 --> 00:23:58,228
She, not realizing, stated,
"Well, Ms. Spector, you can't come in."
381
00:23:58,812 --> 00:24:01,106
She thought he was a female.
382
00:24:01,606 --> 00:24:03,400
That didn't go over too well.
383
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,403
The head of security ran over to her
and said, "Hey, no."
384
00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:09,489
Pulled her to the side and said,
"Treat this guy like gold."
385
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:14,995
So at that point,
Lana escorted him over to a special table,
386
00:24:14,995 --> 00:24:16,830
apologizing profusely.
387
00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:22,085
During the early morning hours,
the place is now closed.
388
00:24:22,085 --> 00:24:24,421
They were seen leaving together.
389
00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:26,381
We asked, "Was there video footage?"
390
00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:29,050
We watch the video.
391
00:24:30,343 --> 00:24:35,098
{\an8}It appears that Lana was actually
helping Spector into the car.
392
00:24:36,308 --> 00:24:38,768
According to Adriano, Spector was drunk.
393
00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:41,730
He kept repeatedly inviting her,
394
00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:44,065
"Come to my castle.
You have to see the castle."
395
00:24:44,065 --> 00:24:45,400
And she said, "Okay."
396
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,488
And that's how, uh, the journey began.
397
00:24:53,241 --> 00:24:55,076
It's eerie,
398
00:24:55,076 --> 00:25:00,248
watching and knowing that this young lady
is gonna lose her life within two hours.
399
00:25:05,086 --> 00:25:09,049
A lot of our questioning was
along the lines of, "Attractive woman..."
400
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:10,133
You know, men are pigs.
401
00:25:10,926 --> 00:25:14,179
She's in Hollywood,
home of the term "casting couch."
402
00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:17,474
How did she react when somebody
made an inappropriate remark
403
00:25:17,474 --> 00:25:19,601
or did something inappropriate to her?
404
00:25:20,435 --> 00:25:23,355
Lana, she knew
how to rebuff attention,
405
00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:24,814
and very delicately.
406
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:32,572
It's easy for people to make big leaps
and make assumptions
407
00:25:32,572 --> 00:25:36,535
about a woman going to a man's home
in the middle of the night.
408
00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:38,036
But I knew Lana,
409
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:41,790
and I knew exactly why
she went to his house.
410
00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:45,418
She didn't go because she was
interested in him romantically.
411
00:25:46,127 --> 00:25:48,505
There wouldn't be anything intimidating
412
00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:51,550
about going to have a drink
with Phil Spector.
413
00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:54,010
He was 5'6" to her 6' tall.
414
00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:56,012
She took care of herself.
415
00:25:57,138 --> 00:25:58,848
I can absolutely see
416
00:25:58,848 --> 00:26:03,353
where Lana would be intrigued
with somebody like Phil Spector.
417
00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:04,563
This is Hollywood.
418
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:07,566
Let me tell you,
networking is highly valuable.
419
00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:15,949
I'm the one person that knew
both Phil Spector and Lana Clarkson.
420
00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:18,410
What an unusual, dubious distinction.
421
00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:23,873
It was around 1966
when I first met Phil Spector
422
00:26:23,873 --> 00:26:25,750
and witnessed him work.
423
00:26:26,418 --> 00:26:28,169
When I was 15,
424
00:26:28,169 --> 00:26:30,130
Gold Star Studios was the big deal.
425
00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:33,174
I'd sneak in and sit on the couch.
426
00:26:33,758 --> 00:26:37,554
This engineer,
he invited me into the studio.
427
00:26:37,554 --> 00:26:40,265
Eventually, I was in
Phil Spector's sessions.
428
00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:43,560
Phil Spector had the Wall of Sound.
429
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,188
The Wall of Sound was about having
four guitar players at once
430
00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:48,607
and three piano...
431
00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,275
But nobody did stuff like that.
432
00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:52,527
Two drummers, it's completely crazy.
433
00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:56,865
I never witnessed anybody like him,
434
00:26:56,865 --> 00:26:59,534
just the way he was in the sessions,
the way he behaved.
435
00:27:00,118 --> 00:27:02,454
He was like a little dictator in a way,
436
00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:07,417
but he sure knew what he wanted,
and he got it.
437
00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:11,212
{\an8}Lana was one of my closest friends,
438
00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:14,591
but we had never had any occasion
to discuss Phil Spector.
439
00:27:16,259 --> 00:27:20,180
The last time I saw him was 1978, I think.
440
00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:23,767
And I met Lana Clarkson in 1984
before I moved to New York.
441
00:27:24,392 --> 00:27:26,645
So Lana had no idea of Phil's reputation.
442
00:27:28,063 --> 00:27:30,607
Phil Spector was
a very dangerous character,
443
00:27:31,232 --> 00:27:33,693
unstable and very unpredictable.
444
00:27:34,694 --> 00:27:37,447
Had I been there
when the House of Blues closed that night,
445
00:27:37,447 --> 00:27:39,366
this would have never happened.
446
00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:42,452
I would've never
let her leave there with Phil, but...
447
00:27:55,882 --> 00:27:58,426
Everybody had
a heightened sense of,
448
00:27:58,927 --> 00:28:05,684
{\an8}"This is going to be
a very scrutinized case."
449
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:09,437
"And we're gonna need
as much information as we can."
450
00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:16,611
Our lab got the results of the DNA swabs
451
00:28:16,611 --> 00:28:19,698
that were obtained
during the crime scene investigation.
452
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:21,908
In the master bedroom,
453
00:28:21,908 --> 00:28:25,829
we found a white dinner jacket
that Mr. Spector had been wearing
454
00:28:25,829 --> 00:28:27,622
during his evening out
at the House of Blues.
455
00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:31,793
There was blood spatter
on the sleeve of the jacket.
456
00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:36,881
Also in a guest bathroom,
there was a cotton diaper.
457
00:28:37,757 --> 00:28:38,967
Something I learned.
458
00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:40,260
When people have guns,
459
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:42,721
they will wrap them in diapers.
460
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,599
That diaper had blood on it
and it was moist.
461
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,647
We learned that Lana Clarkson's blood
was on that diaper and in that bathroom,
462
00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:56,443
that her blood
was on Phil Spector's jacket.
463
00:28:59,195 --> 00:29:03,158
When the projectile struck Ms. Clarkson
and blood came out,
464
00:29:03,658 --> 00:29:08,246
it got on Mr. Spector's weapon,
it got on his sleeve, it got on his hand.
465
00:29:08,788 --> 00:29:12,083
And during her exam of the diaper
and exam of the weapon,
466
00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:15,170
Dr. Lynne Herold was able to conclude
467
00:29:15,170 --> 00:29:18,590
that the diaper had been used
to wipe the gun down.
468
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:21,468
And that's where the moisture
and the blood evidence
469
00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:24,304
was transferred
from the weapon to the diaper.
470
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:30,351
Bloodstain pattern evidence
is circumstantial evidence of the crime.
471
00:29:32,687 --> 00:29:36,149
{\an8}How did the gun go off?
Where was the gun when it went off?
472
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:38,985
{\an8}What effect did the gun going off have?
473
00:29:38,985 --> 00:29:41,404
{\an8}It was difficult
because we're dealing with
474
00:29:41,404 --> 00:29:45,492
bloodstain pattern evidence
on dark red carpet.
475
00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:52,999
When all these findings came back,
suicide is out of the window.
476
00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:56,085
Did we believe it's a murder?
477
00:29:56,711 --> 00:29:59,881
Could there be
an inkling that it's an accident? Yeah.
478
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:01,633
But the problem with that is
479
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:02,926
he's not saying that.
480
00:30:04,594 --> 00:30:06,179
I dunno what that fucking lady...
481
00:30:06,179 --> 00:30:07,430
{\an8}what her problem is.
482
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:10,600
{\an8}Just blows her fucking head open
in my fucking house.
483
00:30:14,354 --> 00:30:20,151
The coroner's office finally did come back
and say, "No, this was a homicide."
484
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:24,948
The medical examiners determined
that Lana Clarkson was murdered,
485
00:30:24,948 --> 00:30:29,661
but the LA County DA's office
declined to file homicide charges.
486
00:30:29,661 --> 00:30:32,664
{\an8}The LA coroner's office
made this announcement.
487
00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,959
{\an8}Not only did they say it was a homicide,
they fingered Phil Spector.
488
00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:38,294
{\an8}When are we gonna we hear
from the LA district attorney?
489
00:30:38,294 --> 00:30:39,712
Spector's big.
490
00:30:39,712 --> 00:30:44,008
{\an8}And it's big for this DA's office,
who's lost so many high-profile cases.
491
00:30:44,968 --> 00:30:47,846
{\an8}I remember,
when the Spector case came along,
492
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:49,722
{\an8}I knew who Phil Spector was.
493
00:30:49,722 --> 00:30:52,225
"Who's Lost That Loving Feeling."
494
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:55,520
My granddaughter
loves that music from Top Gun.
495
00:30:57,522 --> 00:31:00,608
There was a... I don't want to say paranoia.
496
00:31:00,608 --> 00:31:04,696
But the office got burned very badly
in the OJ Simpson case.
497
00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:11,870
We wanted more time
to file criminal charges against Simpson.
498
00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:15,331
But there was
a lot of pressure from the media,
499
00:31:15,331 --> 00:31:16,583
and we had to file the case.
500
00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:20,503
What happened in the OJ Simpson case?
501
00:31:20,503 --> 00:31:21,671
We weren't ready.
502
00:31:22,964 --> 00:31:26,634
We want to make sure justice is served
and they're going to do their time.
503
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,262
Now you're focusing on,
504
00:31:29,262 --> 00:31:32,682
"How can we strengthen proof
that it is a murder
505
00:31:32,682 --> 00:31:34,434
without a reasonable doubt?"
506
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:39,898
And, "What could be any hiccups
to stop us from getting that conviction?"
507
00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:46,946
Everybody wanted
a piece of the media attention.
508
00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:51,534
It's sad,
but it's the nature of our media.
509
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:57,332
{\an8}They're gonna follow cases
that have a lot of flair and interest.
510
00:31:58,791 --> 00:32:02,420
{\an8}Phil Spector liked to talk.
He was giving interviews left and right.
511
00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:06,341
In a magazine interview,
he claimed Clarkson "kissed the gun."
512
00:32:06,841 --> 00:32:12,931
He fabricated information,
and he was fairly hostile about Lana,
513
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:15,099
and was maligning her all the time.
514
00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:20,980
Phil Spector's PR machine, they were out
to make Lana look like a bimbo.
515
00:32:21,564 --> 00:32:24,233
People put her down
because she's a B-movie actress,
516
00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:25,652
but she held that proudly.
517
00:32:26,527 --> 00:32:31,491
{\an8}She knew that she was
a big barbarian queen, and she owned it.
518
00:32:31,491 --> 00:32:34,702
{\an8}The family requested that none of us,
519
00:32:34,702 --> 00:32:38,081
{\an8}the intimate circle, speak to anybody.
520
00:32:38,623 --> 00:32:40,750
People would say something,
and they'd twist it,
521
00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:43,586
and it would be published
in a magazine or newspaper.
522
00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:46,172
So I said the best thing
is not to speak out.
523
00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:50,802
And so we were
just in the background,
524
00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:56,057
quietly fuming over the information
that was being spewed forth
525
00:32:56,057 --> 00:32:58,893
by Phil Spector and his team.
526
00:32:58,893 --> 00:33:00,520
It was horrible.
527
00:33:01,062 --> 00:33:03,690
It showed what he was about.
528
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:05,566
You can't but help say,
529
00:33:05,566 --> 00:33:09,654
"No, you're trying to hide something,
and you have committed murder."
530
00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:19,622
Without a doubt,
this was the most media-driven case.
531
00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:22,500
My friends and relatives,
that's all they talk about.
532
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,461
"Are you on that case?"
And everybody's got their theory.
533
00:33:26,879 --> 00:33:28,339
But you have to have balance.
534
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:31,926
And one of the things that I do,
535
00:33:31,926 --> 00:33:35,096
I rarely talk about
what I do for a living.
536
00:33:37,098 --> 00:33:38,182
I don't feel special.
537
00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:41,477
This is just what I choose to do,
and I enjoy doing it.
538
00:33:42,186 --> 00:33:44,522
And on this case, I was low-keying it.
539
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:48,109
Like, "Oh, yeah, working on this.
Yeah, it's gonna be on TV."
540
00:33:49,235 --> 00:33:52,155
And at the time, my kids were 13 and 11.
541
00:33:53,072 --> 00:33:58,619
And so my kids knew what was going on,
but I think they took a cue from me,
542
00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:00,329
and they never...
543
00:34:00,329 --> 00:34:02,915
I always laugh.
They were never too impressed with me.
544
00:34:08,588 --> 00:34:10,048
I heard Spector described...
545
00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:12,216
read him described
in the newspaper this morning
546
00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:14,927
as being 90% charming, 10% trouble.
547
00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:15,845
Yeah.
548
00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:18,222
{\an8}Did you have any experience
with that 10% of him?
549
00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:21,309
{\an8}I never did, certainly,
but there were many stories.
550
00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:25,396
We're focusing on,
"Why did we believe it's a murder?"
551
00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,690
We have to get into
the life of Phil Spector.
552
00:34:28,566 --> 00:34:32,111
We see there was at least one time
where he was arrested with a gun.
553
00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,074
He possessed guns,
owned guns.
554
00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:39,869
I learned from other people
that he had this long, sordid history
555
00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:41,454
of waving guns around.
556
00:34:41,454 --> 00:34:45,416
There was story after story
of him actually waving a gun
557
00:34:45,416 --> 00:34:48,169
during the recording
of a song by the Ramones.
558
00:34:48,669 --> 00:34:52,215
He's pissed off at John Lennon
and he fires a gun into the ceiling.
559
00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:54,050
We had to go track that down.
560
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:58,513
Phil Spector pulling a gun on people
has more to do with who's in control.
561
00:34:58,513 --> 00:35:01,265
If you have real power,
you don't need a gun.
562
00:35:02,016 --> 00:35:03,309
He was a chickenshit.
563
00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:08,314
He carried loaded guns for a reason,
because he could bully people with them,
564
00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:12,151
from John Lennon to Leonard Cohen.
565
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:17,406
They're getting ready
to wrap a music recording session.
566
00:35:17,406 --> 00:35:19,242
Phil Spector says to Leonard Cohen,
567
00:35:19,242 --> 00:35:21,452
"Go out and put a vocal on this."
568
00:35:21,452 --> 00:35:25,915
And Leonard says to Phil,
"Well, you know what? Man, I'm tired."
569
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:27,708
He said, "I could do it tomorrow."
570
00:35:27,708 --> 00:35:29,460
And then Phil gets the gun out.
571
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:34,757
{\an8}Points it at Leonard and says,
"You're gonna go sing this now."
572
00:35:36,884 --> 00:35:38,970
It didn't deter Leonard Cohen.
573
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:41,055
This is the first day.
574
00:35:42,056 --> 00:35:44,142
Leonard told me this story, right?
575
00:35:44,642 --> 00:35:46,519
He was still so intrigued
576
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:50,106
by the possibilities of what would happen
by working with Phil,
577
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:53,317
but Leonard knew that
that gun was there at all times.
578
00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,155
He was very powerful,
579
00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:58,948
so people were very hesitant.
580
00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:01,242
Especially people in that music world.
581
00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:04,495
They felt he had enough power
to derail their career.
582
00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:09,709
During this, there was
a lot of people we spoke to
583
00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:11,586
that would not go on the record,
584
00:36:13,212 --> 00:36:18,467
but they spoke of how
he would keep people in his house.
585
00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:22,430
It was men and women.
586
00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:25,850
You had a good time with Phil,
and wanted to leave,
587
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:27,935
he would say, "Okay, just wait here,"
588
00:36:27,935 --> 00:36:31,689
and it was always in that foyer area.
589
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:35,818
And he literally would disappear
at times for hours
590
00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:39,030
until he was ready for you to go.
591
00:36:40,114 --> 00:36:41,866
How he would keep them in...
592
00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:44,994
Remember the deadbolt lock
that was found on the floor?
593
00:36:45,661 --> 00:36:48,706
He would remove the lock,
and now they're stuck.
594
00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:52,460
It was another opportunity
for him to control others.
595
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:55,421
And that was what set him apart.
596
00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:59,550
He was manic, if you will, about control.
597
00:37:00,259 --> 00:37:02,553
Ms. Clarkson was
basically imprisoned.
598
00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:06,474
She wasn't free to leave on her own will
because she couldn't open the door,
599
00:37:06,474 --> 00:37:09,727
because Mr. Spector
had taken that lever device,
600
00:37:09,727 --> 00:37:12,772
that thumb device
off of the deadbolt on the door.
601
00:37:16,943 --> 00:37:21,155
We'd heard rumors,
but rumors don't float in a courtroom.
602
00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:23,741
So we had to have hard evidence.
603
00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:28,537
Rich Tomlin and his team
tracked down every single lead,
604
00:37:28,537 --> 00:37:30,873
and they turned these rumors into fact.
605
00:37:30,873 --> 00:37:33,709
We found actual witnesses,
a bunch of them.
606
00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:37,838
Sometimes it'd be
a one-date relationship,
607
00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:40,466
{\an8}sometimes it'd be women he knew for years,
608
00:37:40,466 --> 00:37:44,470
but all of these women
had the signature in common
609
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:46,305
of having been held hostage,
610
00:37:46,305 --> 00:37:49,809
having been deprived
of their liberty by Mr. Spector.
611
00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:54,313
You have these women
saying how he was very charming,
612
00:37:54,814 --> 00:37:57,566
conscious to their needs, very appealing,
613
00:37:57,566 --> 00:37:59,318
a great conversationalist,
614
00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:00,903
then the switch would go off.
615
00:38:02,905 --> 00:38:07,159
Phil Spector had a habit
of bringing women over to his house,
616
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:08,869
wanting sexual favors from them,
617
00:38:08,869 --> 00:38:12,665
and when they didn't comply
or satisfy him,
618
00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:14,083
he would pull out a gun.
619
00:38:15,876 --> 00:38:16,961
That's an MO,
620
00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:20,214
and it means this is a thing that he does,
621
00:38:20,214 --> 00:38:21,632
that he has done,
622
00:38:21,632 --> 00:38:24,260
and the reason that's important is because
623
00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:28,180
if you never... didn't find anyone
that ever said this happened before,
624
00:38:28,180 --> 00:38:31,267
that would probably be
a pretty big defense point.
625
00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:33,728
"That's absurd
to think my client would do that!"
626
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:38,065
These women were willing to testify
that they were in fear of their lives,
627
00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:40,568
that they thought he was gonna kill them.
628
00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:43,070
It's a critical piece of the evidence,
629
00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:46,949
and it's a big part
in showing that there was intent.
630
00:38:47,783 --> 00:38:51,579
It certainly wasn't a suicide,
but it wasn't an accident either.
631
00:38:51,579 --> 00:38:53,581
He had these aggressive tendencies,
632
00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:56,000
and sooner or later,
this was gonna be the outcome.
633
00:39:02,048 --> 00:39:08,012
If you base it on talking to people
who had historically gone through this,
634
00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:11,182
I think he didn't want her to leave.
635
00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:16,687
He left her in that foyer area
for an hour or more.
636
00:39:16,687 --> 00:39:20,066
She was dozing off,
and for what reason we'll never know,
637
00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:24,695
he grabbed that gun,
and he decided to shove it in her mouth,
638
00:39:24,695 --> 00:39:27,365
and she panicked, and he kills her.
639
00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:30,493
Realizing what he'd done,
640
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:33,871
Phil Spector has more than enough time
641
00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:36,707
to now try to stage the crime scene.
642
00:39:42,296 --> 00:39:45,216
We were in continual contact
with the district attorney's office.
643
00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:46,926
It was a collaborative effort.
644
00:39:46,926 --> 00:39:49,220
November of 2003,
645
00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:53,808
the decision was made, and murder charges
were actually filed against Phil Spector.
646
00:39:58,687 --> 00:39:59,939
In early court appearances,
647
00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:02,691
{\an8}he had famed OJ attorney
Robert Shapiro at his side.
648
00:40:02,691 --> 00:40:06,320
{\an8}Now, he's on his third set
of high-profile lawyers.
649
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,489
One thing with Phil Spector,
650
00:40:08,489 --> 00:40:12,660
{\an8}he didn't want to spend one day in prison.
651
00:40:14,453 --> 00:40:18,165
Every time there was a new
defense attorney, there was a continuance,
652
00:40:18,165 --> 00:40:21,544
and the judge would have to give them
time to get up to speed.
653
00:40:23,003 --> 00:40:27,091
Phil Spector is on bail,
meaning he is out.
654
00:40:28,592 --> 00:40:30,428
He had gotten married.
655
00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:36,350
As long as he can stretch this case out,
he's a free man.
656
00:40:37,101 --> 00:40:38,310
Mr. Spector?
657
00:40:52,032 --> 00:40:55,619
It was kind of
a circus atmosphere you had.
658
00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:59,081
Phil Spector would wear
different wigs to the trial.
659
00:40:59,081 --> 00:41:00,916
He had his huge bodyguards.
660
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,045
The defense in this case,
661
00:41:05,045 --> 00:41:07,798
some of their conduct
was incredibly egregious.
662
00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:09,216
One of the defense attorneys,
663
00:41:09,216 --> 00:41:11,760
who's a complete and total
unethical scumbag,
664
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,429
New York Mafia attorney.
665
00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:18,350
He hit me up in the hallway
and in the restroom, followed me in there.
666
00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:20,936
"I can't wait to get you on the stand."
667
00:41:20,936 --> 00:41:22,438
"I'm really gonna F you up."
668
00:41:22,438 --> 00:41:24,356
Like, really? I'm a little guy.
669
00:41:24,356 --> 00:41:27,151
You think I haven't had
my ass kicked before? Are you blind?
670
00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:31,113
Look at this face. Look at me.
I've built a career getting my ass kicked.
671
00:41:31,113 --> 00:41:32,823
I'm not the greatest testifier,
672
00:41:32,823 --> 00:41:35,993
but I can tell the truth,
which is pretty goddamn easy to do.
673
00:41:36,744 --> 00:41:41,040
Maybe I appeared "intimidateable,"
if that's even a goddamn word.
674
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,083
I'd like to think that I wasn't.
675
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:53,093
At stake in this trial was justice
for Lana Clarkson and her family.
676
00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:55,971
There was a subtext
to this trial as well, however.
677
00:41:57,014 --> 00:42:02,394
The LA DA's office had not won
a high-profile case in 40 years,
678
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,648
even though there was significant evidence
679
00:42:05,648 --> 00:42:08,317
that celebrities
were involved in criminal activity.
680
00:42:09,652 --> 00:42:12,029
My first year
in the district attorney's office
681
00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:14,198
was the trial of OJ Simpson.
682
00:42:15,032 --> 00:42:17,826
I was a young, brand-spanking-new DA.
683
00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:24,458
There were enormous lessons
that were learned from that trial.
684
00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:30,172
Jurors look at celebrities different.
685
00:42:30,172 --> 00:42:32,800
They consider some identity with them.
686
00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:36,011
There's a certain amount of sympathy
that's built up,
687
00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:38,097
and there's a lot of pressure on jurors.
688
00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:40,808
They know afterwards they're gonna
be criticized by their friends
689
00:42:40,808 --> 00:42:43,519
if they find some celebrity
guilty of something.
690
00:42:46,772 --> 00:42:49,942
We didn't want to try
Phil Spector the music producer.
691
00:42:49,942 --> 00:42:52,278
We wanted to try Phil Spector the man.
692
00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:55,281
The fact that he was
this massive music producer
693
00:42:55,281 --> 00:42:58,867
who had produced fantastic music,
by anybody's standards,
694
00:42:58,867 --> 00:42:59,868
phenomenal music,
695
00:42:59,868 --> 00:43:03,455
and changed the course of music
and rock and roll as we know it...
696
00:43:04,206 --> 00:43:05,541
It didn't matter.
697
00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:08,460
What mattered was
what happened inside that mansion
698
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:09,920
on that particular day.
699
00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:14,800
My strategy was
to reveal the real Phil Spector.
700
00:43:15,634 --> 00:43:17,303
Period, full stop.
701
00:43:17,928 --> 00:43:22,266
We had close to 20 incidents
that we wanted to use.
702
00:43:22,766 --> 00:43:25,894
The judge relegated us to five,
which was fine.
703
00:43:25,894 --> 00:43:28,647
There was a gun pointed at my temple.
704
00:43:28,647 --> 00:43:32,526
He took the revolver
and smacked me in the side of the head.
705
00:43:32,526 --> 00:43:36,113
-"You try to leave, I'm gonna kill you."
-"Leave, I'll blow your ******* head off."
706
00:43:36,113 --> 00:43:37,573
It came out of nowhere.
707
00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:39,575
I think he was wearing a plaid jacket.
708
00:43:39,575 --> 00:43:41,910
I remember thinking
he looked like Elmer Fudd.
709
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:43,662
The gun was bigger than he was.
710
00:43:43,662 --> 00:43:47,541
We went up a stairway to his bedroom.
He didn't have to do that.
711
00:43:47,541 --> 00:43:51,045
He could have been romantic,
but he did it by gunpoint.
712
00:43:51,045 --> 00:43:52,212
He wanted to rape me.
713
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:55,716
Be very careful what you say to me.
714
00:43:55,716 --> 00:43:59,928
Because nothing you say to me...
is worth your life.
715
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:03,265
{\an8}Goodbye, Dorothy.
716
00:44:06,894 --> 00:44:08,604
It was difficult to hear.
717
00:44:08,604 --> 00:44:10,397
There were women baring their souls,
718
00:44:10,397 --> 00:44:13,150
and I really thank them
for being able to do that,
719
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:17,279
'cause that wasn't easy to get up
in front of all the cameras of Court TV,
720
00:44:17,279 --> 00:44:20,908
and all the people,
and tell their gut-wrenching stories.
721
00:44:20,908 --> 00:44:24,787
The media said,
"We want gavel-to-gavel coverage."
722
00:44:25,287 --> 00:44:28,957
We knew the OJ Simpson case
was disastrous.
723
00:44:30,167 --> 00:44:32,086
People start acting differently.
724
00:44:32,586 --> 00:44:34,088
It becomes a show trial.
725
00:44:34,588 --> 00:44:36,924
Instead of evidence,
you're presenting performances.
726
00:44:37,966 --> 00:44:40,094
So one of the things we tried to do
727
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:44,181
was make the witnesses,
on our side at least, understand
728
00:44:44,181 --> 00:44:46,934
you were there to simply tell the truth.
729
00:44:46,934 --> 00:44:49,269
Everything else is a distraction.
730
00:44:49,269 --> 00:44:50,354
Just ignore it.
731
00:44:51,939 --> 00:44:54,108
I get nervous
when I speak in public.
732
00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:57,027
I don't like testifying.
It's breaking my balls to talk to you.
733
00:44:57,861 --> 00:45:00,239
I knew Mr. Spector
had unlimited resources.
734
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,577
So he had very expensive, very proficient,
very aggressive attorneys.
735
00:45:05,577 --> 00:45:07,663
So I was at a disadvantage.
736
00:45:08,372 --> 00:45:12,126
There's a couple of very simple rules
in testifying that I live by.
737
00:45:12,126 --> 00:45:15,921
Listen to the question,
answer the question, shut the hell up.
738
00:45:15,921 --> 00:45:18,549
So I go to testify. I'm nervous anyway.
739
00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:23,053
Mark Lillienfeld, bless his heart,
was on the witness stand.
740
00:45:23,053 --> 00:45:25,013
During direct examination,
741
00:45:25,013 --> 00:45:28,809
he's asked to describe
something about Lana,
742
00:45:29,518 --> 00:45:33,731
and he slips and says "her paw"
instead of "her hand."
743
00:45:35,941 --> 00:45:39,862
Soon as I said it, I realized I called
this woman's hand a paw, like a dog paw.
744
00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:42,406
Partly 'cause I was nervous,
partly 'cause I'm a fool.
745
00:45:43,157 --> 00:45:46,368
I look in the audience
and I see her mom looking at me.
746
00:45:46,368 --> 00:45:49,705
Her mom's got this look
of shock and disbelief.
747
00:45:49,705 --> 00:45:52,666
"You just called
my deceased daughter's hand a paw."
748
00:45:52,666 --> 00:45:55,127
I sat there and cringed.
749
00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:59,256
Um, yeah. It was not his finest moment.
750
00:45:59,757 --> 00:46:01,884
He quickly corrected himself.
751
00:46:02,676 --> 00:46:04,845
Mark felt devastated.
752
00:46:04,845 --> 00:46:09,683
That's the first time I can honestly say...
I had to talk him off the ledge.
753
00:46:09,683 --> 00:46:11,143
He felt so bad.
754
00:46:11,852 --> 00:46:15,981
He's just a canine lover,
has had dogs his whole life.
755
00:46:16,482 --> 00:46:19,443
I was nicknamed after a dog.
I dream about dogs.
756
00:46:20,194 --> 00:46:21,570
I have some dog issues.
757
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:26,074
And Lana Clarkson's mom,
the only one that mattered to me...
758
00:46:26,074 --> 00:46:27,159
I apologized to her.
759
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,454
I remember him coming up to me
and how sweet he was.
760
00:46:30,454 --> 00:46:31,914
I was very grateful.
761
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:34,291
I just spoke to her about
762
00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:38,420
it's really an honor
to be a part of a homicide investigation
763
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:42,049
where the victim
was of such a... a great character.
764
00:46:42,049 --> 00:46:45,969
It was really a pleasure
to know about her life
765
00:46:45,969 --> 00:46:48,931
and how she touched
all these other people's lives.
766
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:58,148
It took a long time,
the trial itself, several months.
767
00:46:58,148 --> 00:46:59,399
There was a lot of witnesses.
768
00:46:59,399 --> 00:47:04,738
The defense brought in a lot of experts
from all over the United States.
769
00:47:04,738 --> 00:47:07,032
Hundreds of thousands of dollars
were spent.
770
00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:11,078
They were people
that were world-renowned in their field,
771
00:47:11,078 --> 00:47:13,831
and they were proof that,
"If you pay me enough,
772
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:17,960
I will tell you I am Donald Duck
and that the sky is not blue, it's brown."
773
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:24,633
{\an8}When you stick to the objective,
scientific evidence,
774
00:47:25,926 --> 00:47:27,052
it's a suicide.
775
00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,013
We weren't just
prosecuting a case.
776
00:47:30,013 --> 00:47:31,807
We were defending the truth.
777
00:47:33,684 --> 00:47:37,771
The only defense
that they could possibly present
778
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,776
for how a gun went off in her mouth
779
00:47:42,776 --> 00:47:44,236
was to say she did it.
780
00:47:45,904 --> 00:47:49,116
We knew the defense was
going to come after Lana. They had to.
781
00:47:49,116 --> 00:47:52,661
They had to create this persona
of a person who was deeply depressed,
782
00:47:52,661 --> 00:47:55,956
had one foot in the grave
and the other on a banana peel,
783
00:47:55,956 --> 00:47:57,833
and she had nothing to live for.
784
00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:01,920
They had played and introduced a video.
785
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,631
I'll be no man's slave and no man's whore.
786
00:48:05,757 --> 00:48:10,137
Phil Spector's wife at the time
sat behind the defense team,
787
00:48:10,637 --> 00:48:13,891
and she started giggling out loud
and laughing at Lana.
788
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:15,976
You officers can be so resourceful.
789
00:48:16,685 --> 00:48:18,478
Not with Lana, at Lana.
790
00:48:19,271 --> 00:48:23,483
The defense did that on purpose
to mock her
791
00:48:23,483 --> 00:48:26,153
and to suggest
that she was a lesser person,
792
00:48:26,153 --> 00:48:28,864
a lesser actor
who didn't have anything to live for,
793
00:48:28,864 --> 00:48:31,033
and had no career aspirations
or opportunities.
794
00:48:32,993 --> 00:48:35,829
I knew that it hurt Donna and the family.
795
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:39,291
Well, when your good friend gets murdered,
796
00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:42,336
and gets smeared in the process
and all the rest of it,
797
00:48:42,336 --> 00:48:45,631
I mean, and you're listening
to this stuff go on in court
798
00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:48,216
where they're presenting
these stories about her,
799
00:48:48,216 --> 00:48:51,428
it's... that's painful,
'cause you know it's not true.
800
00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:57,142
I was so frustrated
because I felt like I couldn't protect her
801
00:48:57,142 --> 00:49:00,729
and protect her reputation in a way
that she deserved to be protected.
802
00:49:04,524 --> 00:49:08,445
In California, defense lawyers
for Phil Spector have rested their case.
803
00:49:09,988 --> 00:49:12,532
You meet
12 people you've never met,
804
00:49:12,532 --> 00:49:14,284
{\an8}and they've never met each other...
805
00:49:14,284 --> 00:49:17,496
It's hard to get people
to agree on what color the sky is, right?
806
00:49:17,496 --> 00:49:20,832
So I never take for granted
that anything's a slam dunk.
807
00:49:20,832 --> 00:49:23,043
But I knew we had marshaled
the right evidence.
808
00:49:23,043 --> 00:49:26,004
I knew we had
the right blueprint for the trial.
809
00:49:26,004 --> 00:49:29,383
I knew that the witnesses,
all of the women who testified,
810
00:49:29,383 --> 00:49:30,842
Adriano De Souza,
811
00:49:31,343 --> 00:49:34,763
everybody did
what they were supposed to do,
812
00:49:35,263 --> 00:49:38,558
and I thought,
"This shouldn't be that difficult."
813
00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:42,020
The jurors have
all of the tools they need.
814
00:49:43,855 --> 00:49:46,066
That was on day one. Um...
815
00:49:47,442 --> 00:49:51,321
My confidence started getting shaken...
shaky on day two,
816
00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:53,407
and that went into day three.
817
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,910
Initially, it's gonna take a few days
818
00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:59,830
just because they have to go through
every piece of evidence.
819
00:50:01,581 --> 00:50:03,291
But then after that...
820
00:50:04,751 --> 00:50:07,713
Day five,
day seven, day eight, day nine.
821
00:50:07,713 --> 00:50:09,423
By that time, I'm a wreck.
822
00:50:09,423 --> 00:50:13,093
Thinking, "What did I do wrong?
How could this be taking this long?"
823
00:50:14,344 --> 00:50:17,097
When the jury foreman
took an initial poll,
824
00:50:17,597 --> 00:50:18,974
it was disheartening.
825
00:50:19,474 --> 00:50:20,851
We're so far apart.
826
00:50:21,601 --> 00:50:25,022
It was four guilty,
five not guilty, four undecided.
827
00:50:25,981 --> 00:50:30,652
It's almost like a second trial
that happened during deliberations.
828
00:50:30,652 --> 00:50:34,322
Some of us in the jury room
had to, like, re-litigate
829
00:50:34,865 --> 00:50:37,492
for the jurors that either didn't get it
830
00:50:37,492 --> 00:50:39,870
or actually fell for the misinformation
831
00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:43,540
that the experts on the defense side
were giving.
832
00:50:44,332 --> 00:50:47,711
I guess if they repeat a lie
in different ways and often,
833
00:50:47,711 --> 00:50:49,212
it almost becomes fact.
834
00:50:50,422 --> 00:50:56,845
It was the longest, most... Ugh...
painful experience I've ever been in.
835
00:50:58,138 --> 00:51:02,517
We all had to do our job
on the evidence presented to us.
836
00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:06,521
This is the come-to-Jesus moment
for all of us.
837
00:51:07,022 --> 00:51:08,356
I knew how serious it was.
838
00:51:08,356 --> 00:51:11,735
I was being honest
in why I had to convict.
839
00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:16,073
It'd been so contentious toward the end
that we needed to get out of there.
840
00:51:16,073 --> 00:51:19,659
We deliberated 14 days.
This has been going way too long.
841
00:51:20,577 --> 00:51:23,538
I went and hit the buzzer. That was it.
842
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:27,334
This time, I will find that the jury
is unable to arrive at a verdict
843
00:51:27,334 --> 00:51:29,211
and declare a mistrial in this matter.
844
00:51:33,381 --> 00:51:36,927
{\an8}I thought it'd be a quick, done deal.
In and out.
845
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:38,178
And it wasn't.
846
00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:43,100
I was insulted by the defense
and... and the stuff that they threw.
847
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,604
Um, and... and I think...
I think I've said enough.
848
00:51:50,482 --> 00:51:53,235
As the gavel hit the bench,
849
00:51:53,235 --> 00:51:55,445
my stomach dropped,
850
00:51:55,445 --> 00:51:57,697
and I thought, "I failed."
851
00:51:59,616 --> 00:52:01,785
Everybody did
what they were supposed to do,
852
00:52:01,785 --> 00:52:05,080
and I felt like I was the one that didn't,
853
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,791
that wasn't able to see it through.
854
00:52:07,791 --> 00:52:10,585
It was a very defeating moment
in my career.
855
00:52:12,671 --> 00:52:16,216
I went upstairs. I started
packing up my briefcase for the evening.
856
00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:19,386
I wanted the press, quite frankly,
to clear out a bit.
857
00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:24,766
There was a lone reporter who stayed back
with a microphone and a camera.
858
00:52:25,350 --> 00:52:29,354
And as I walked out to my car, she said,
859
00:52:29,354 --> 00:52:32,691
"Mr. Jackson,
do you intend to retry this case?"
860
00:52:32,691 --> 00:52:35,735
I stopped in my tracks
and looked at her, and I said,
861
00:52:35,735 --> 00:52:39,364
"I will try this case as many times
as it takes to get justice,"
862
00:52:39,364 --> 00:52:40,282
and kept walking.
863
00:52:46,413 --> 00:52:49,082
We weren't gonna stop
because of a hung jury.
864
00:52:49,082 --> 00:52:50,375
It was never gonna happen.
865
00:52:51,459 --> 00:52:56,006
So we gather our thoughts,
put the case back together,
866
00:52:56,006 --> 00:52:58,550
and about a year and a half later,
we tried it again.
867
00:53:04,097 --> 00:53:08,643
In the first trial, out of 12 jurors,
ten of them voted for guilt.
868
00:53:08,643 --> 00:53:13,899
So, ultimately, I came to the conclusion
that we had not done anything wrong.
869
00:53:14,482 --> 00:53:17,485
Let's just pick a new jury
and put this case on,
870
00:53:17,485 --> 00:53:21,239
basically blueprinted the same way,
the second time. That's what we did.
871
00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:25,076
I didn't know what to expect
in the second trial.
872
00:53:25,827 --> 00:53:27,787
It wasn't as much of a spectacle,
873
00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:30,916
but both trials
were just as emotional for me.
874
00:53:33,585 --> 00:53:35,378
The jury was in deliberation.
875
00:53:36,296 --> 00:53:39,716
And I remember I was
at my son's high school baseball game.
876
00:53:40,717 --> 00:53:43,178
When this case came out, he was 11.
877
00:53:44,346 --> 00:53:46,223
My son's 16 now.
878
00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:49,100
My phone is blowing up.
879
00:53:50,143 --> 00:53:52,229
"Hey, they've come to a verdict."
880
00:53:53,313 --> 00:53:54,564
And I just sat there.
881
00:53:55,732 --> 00:53:56,983
And I thought about it.
882
00:53:57,984 --> 00:54:00,654
I'm always gonna have other trials,
other verdicts.
883
00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:03,823
And on a selfish side,
I won't always have the opportunity
884
00:54:03,823 --> 00:54:05,075
to see my son play baseball.
885
00:54:05,992 --> 00:54:09,454
And so I said,
"No, I'll... I'll watch it on TV."
886
00:54:14,125 --> 00:54:16,753
I had my son on one side,
my daughter on the other.
887
00:54:17,254 --> 00:54:18,922
We were holding our breath.
888
00:54:22,092 --> 00:54:23,885
We the jury
in the above entitled action
889
00:54:23,885 --> 00:54:26,596
find the defendant, Phillip Spector,
890
00:54:27,138 --> 00:54:30,183
guilty of the crime
of second-degree murder of Lana Clarkson.
891
00:54:34,062 --> 00:54:37,816
When they said guilty,
it was like I could breathe, you know?
892
00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:42,821
I just couldn't believe...
Finally, we have a verdict that was true.
893
00:54:43,738 --> 00:54:47,951
The family's pleased
that the jury rejected the distortion
894
00:54:47,951 --> 00:54:50,412
and trashing of Lana Clarkson's life,
895
00:54:50,412 --> 00:54:52,080
which was a part of this trial,
896
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,541
the past trial,
and has been going on now for six years.
897
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:59,546
No matter your fame, or your wealth,
or your supposed celebrity,
898
00:55:00,630 --> 00:55:02,757
you will stand trial,
899
00:55:03,258 --> 00:55:05,468
and you will be accountable
for your actions.
900
00:55:06,594 --> 00:55:10,473
This was the first celebrity conviction
in 40 years.
901
00:55:10,473 --> 00:55:14,728
Obviously, that was a very, very big deal
for everybody involved.
902
00:55:14,728 --> 00:55:16,896
It was nice to know
903
00:55:16,896 --> 00:55:20,191
that you could put on a case
in Los Angeles
904
00:55:20,191 --> 00:55:24,195
against a well-funded,
very powerful celebrity
905
00:55:24,696 --> 00:55:28,867
and have the satisfaction
that the truth was gonna come out.
906
00:55:30,535 --> 00:55:32,912
Mr. Spector got
19 years to life.
907
00:55:36,166 --> 00:55:37,167
There is the...
908
00:55:37,167 --> 00:55:41,755
not the rehabilitative part of the law,
but the punishment part of law.
909
00:55:41,755 --> 00:55:44,924
Sit in your cell
and think about what you've done
910
00:55:44,924 --> 00:55:48,053
the rest of your fucking life
until the day you die
911
00:55:48,053 --> 00:55:49,929
and you're carried out in a casket.
912
00:55:49,929 --> 00:55:52,599
He's getting exactly what he deserves.
913
00:56:07,364 --> 00:56:10,408
I was gone before the case
even went to the first trial.
914
00:56:10,408 --> 00:56:12,285
I left the job with PTSD.
915
00:56:13,703 --> 00:56:16,498
I was wound too tight for the job, honestly.
916
00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:19,125
Danny retired, uh, somewhat young.
917
00:56:20,627 --> 00:56:23,630
I think that Mark is the one
that said one time,
918
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:26,257
"Everyone's got their number of bodies."
919
00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:29,636
That number is different for everyone,
but at some point,
920
00:56:29,636 --> 00:56:31,554
you've had your fill and you're done.
921
00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:35,892
This job,
it's a magnificent, wonderful job,
922
00:56:35,892 --> 00:56:39,104
and it's been great to me and my family,
923
00:56:39,104 --> 00:56:42,524
uh, but it's a very debilitating job.
924
00:56:42,524 --> 00:56:44,609
It is, uh, emotionally dangerous.
925
00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:49,697
I've got friends
who have committed suicide,
926
00:56:49,697 --> 00:56:52,283
other friends who have
drank themselves to death,
927
00:56:52,283 --> 00:56:54,994
and it wasn't called suicide,
but that's what it was.
928
00:56:56,371 --> 00:56:58,957
There's more law enforcement suicides
every year
929
00:56:58,957 --> 00:57:01,126
than there are line of duty deaths.
930
00:57:01,126 --> 00:57:02,794
You know, It's significant.
931
00:57:03,378 --> 00:57:06,297
To do it as long as Mark did it,
you have to be like Mark,
932
00:57:06,297 --> 00:57:09,300
where you really can let things
glance off of you.
933
00:57:14,681 --> 00:57:16,474
In 1994,
934
00:57:16,474 --> 00:57:19,894
I was still a young and new
journeyman homicide detective.
935
00:57:19,894 --> 00:57:21,771
I've only been a murder cop two years.
936
00:57:22,355 --> 00:57:25,108
Myself and my new partner assumed control
937
00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:28,319
of the Mickey Thompson
and Trudy Thompson murders.
938
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:29,821
It's a high-profile case.
939
00:57:30,947 --> 00:57:35,326
Being into cars back then,
I knew that Mickey Thompson was a legend.
940
00:57:35,326 --> 00:57:38,621
His wife, Trudy,
was also involved in promoting the events.
941
00:57:38,621 --> 00:57:41,374
The ambush murders
of Thompson and his wife, Trudy,
942
00:57:41,374 --> 00:57:43,918
in the driveway
of the couple's Bradbury home...
943
00:57:43,918 --> 00:57:46,212
They went after her first.
944
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It was planned to torture my dad,
and it did.