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I got a call
from somebody over at my dad's office.
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They said, "There's something
going on up at Bradbury."
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{\an8}"But we don't know what it is."
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{\an8}And so I jumped in the car
and started going up to Bradbury.
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And, um, a cop stopped me.
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They said, "Who are you?
We're not letting anybody go through."
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I said, "I'm Danny Thompson,
Mickey Thompson's son."
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And the cop, I just saw it in his eyes,
you know, 'cause they knew.
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And I went, "Ah, fuck."
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You didn't believe it.
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That was my dad. You couldn't kill him.
He was untouchable.
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{\an8}Race car driver Mickey Thompson
and his wife were murdered
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in their driveway in a posh suburb of LA.
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Mrs. Thompson and Mr. Thompson were shot
several times in the upper torso.
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The ambush murders
of Thompson and his wife Trudy
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in the driveway
of the couple's Bradbury home...
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Police are calling it one of
the most mysterious celebrity murders.
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It's an extent of evil
that we hope we don't see.
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Mickey Thompson was beloved by everyone.
He had no enemies, save one.
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The LA County
Sheriff's Department
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is the best of the best.
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Some of the highest-profile
cases are tried in Los Angeles.
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You have to be dedicated 110%.
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This is murder.
There's no more serious crime.
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It boils down to a passion
and a sense of duty.
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Justice comes from finding the truth.
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One of the things
about Los Angeles, it's huge.
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And to get around, is there mass transit?
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No! You have to drive.
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People love cars in Los Angeles.
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It's a huge area
for car lovers to display their wares.
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Back in the '80s in Los Angeles,
street racing, it was its own culture,
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from drag racing,
to motocross, to off-road.
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And being into cars back then,
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I knew that Mickey Thompson was a legend.
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Thompson was always
known as an innovator,
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a maverick car builder,
and a driver that had to win.
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The fastest man on wheels...
Mickey Thompson.
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See international
speed kings in action. Mickey Thompson.
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He has competed
in every form of automobile racing.
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I think, at one time,
my dad had over 370 records.
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But the one that put him on the map was
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when he was the first American
to go over 400 miles an hour.
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His top speed, 406.6 miles an hour,
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a record for the one-way run.
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Mickey Thompson
was not just a winner,
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and not somebody
who was just interested in cars.
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He was a promoter.
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He was the guy that basically invented
indoor stadium racing.
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We now put on
what's called "short course racing."
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We put it on in football fields,
baseball fields,
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inside domes, any place.
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Thompson taking the win!
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Mickey's son Danny
has also decided
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to dedicate his future
to automobile racing.
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I was racing full-time in my dad's series.
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We'd fill these stadiums up.
It was, I mean, incredible.
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Thompson's own son took part,
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and his wife Trudy
was also involved in promoting the event.
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I like to be close to him,
and I like to do what he's doing,
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and I like to go fast.
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And I'm gonna be around
for a long time driving race cars.
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And I'm gonna win a lot more races.
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I got a call early in the morning.
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They said, "Know who Mickey Thompson is?"
I said, "Yeah. Sure."
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He says, "He and his wife, it appears,
have been shot in front of their house,
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and you're rolling to assist."
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And we had the queen of our lab,
Liz Devine.
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She's brilliant, and everybody
always wanted her on your crime scene.
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{\an8}I love going out. So I put on my jumpsuit
and grabbed my kit and went out there.
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At the time of this case,
I was a senior criminalist
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for the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department.
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We met and drove up to Bradbury Estates.
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Bradbury Estates
is an upscale housing area
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that is... is a gated community.
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My daughter Juliana,
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she was taking horseback riding lessons
in Bradbury Estates.
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Every time I went there, I had to show ID,
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I had to show permission
from the stable owner just to get in.
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And I couldn't fathom,
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"How could somebody get in there
to kill Mickey Thompson and his wife?"
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Driving up,
it was obvious that this was a huge case.
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I've never seen so many cameras
in one place in my life.
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Obviously, it's a very nice house.
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It's a very wide driveway.
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Mickey's wife Trudy was laid out
at the bottom of the sloping driveway.
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And she had been shot,
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and blood was running down
into the gutter.
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And Mickey Thompson is now laying
up by the garage, which is on the top.
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He has been shot in the body.
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He had also been shot in the head.
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They shot her in the head too.
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We're going around and talking to people,
and we talk to some of the witnesses.
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Uh, we heard a series of shots.
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All of a sudden, there was a period
of about 10 or 15 seconds of silence.
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Then I heard Mickey Thompson yelling,
"Don't hurt my wife! Don't hurt my wife!"
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And the next thing we heard is
another series of shots and then silence.
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Well, Dr. Johnson,
he lived behind Mickey and Trudy,
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and when he heard gunshots,
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and he looked out,
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he sees the bicycles
going down Woodlyn Lane.
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Dr. Johnson saw two
young Black men on ten-speeds.
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I mean, that was obviously
a route of escape.
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Dr. Johnson also said that
Mickey Thompson, he had a routine down.
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At six o'clock every morning,
they would leave their house in Bradbury
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and drive all the way to Anaheim Stadium,
where their office was.
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They used a van,
and Trudy would generally drive.
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She would back it out.
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He would then lower the door,
get in, and they would drive to work.
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We know
that there's two men on bicycles,
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who we assume are the shooters,
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but what was their purpose?
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Now, it could be a robbery,
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but when the detectives started
checking the van that Trudy was driving,
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it was full of jewelry,
very expensive jewelry,
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and Mickey, he had
several thousand dollars in his wallet.
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It wasn't taken, wasn't touched.
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Obvious stuff is right on the seat,
and they didn't grab it?
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That makes no sense.
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And then the neighbor heard
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Mickey call out to Trudy,
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and that they went after her first.
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If this was a robbery,
they never kill the woman first.
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They always kill the man first.
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He's a big guy.
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Absolutely illogical.
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Trudy was down on the ground.
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There were fingernails broken off.
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I mean, I just felt like she was driving.
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They shot through the window at her.
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I think she was running away
and not fighting.
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And, Mickey, you know,
he was turned toward her.
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And it just...
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broke my heart.
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It's the cruelest thing.
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Everybody is telling us
Mickey loved Trudy.
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He was totally devoted to her,
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and he was just madly in love with her.
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My dad and Trudy,
when they got married, it was a big deal.
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She had a great personality, very jovial,
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and they had a great relationship.
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They were a really good team
working together.
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They were a good match
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in the same way
that a chord is a good chord.
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They were very, very different,
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but it worked in... in amazing ways.
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My Aunt Trudy
was an important part of my life.
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Trudy had grace, kindness, and love.
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She was the one who made people feel
that they were appreciated.
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The entire crime scene
was outside,
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but I was really trying to be observant
and look at what is out of place.
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We went into this office
that was off the garage.
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And out of the corner of my eye,
I see somebody in there,
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and I screamed.
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Now, of course, the deputies
come running in. Rey was there.
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And it was a full-size mannequin
of Mickey Thompson in his racing suit.
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And, um, I was so embarrassed.
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We were all laughing, but I...
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You know, it was a light moment.
Another... like, needed light moment.
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You have to lighten the air or...
I don't know.
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You have to laugh so you don't cry.
You just have to.
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Then you go, "Okay, this is my job.
I gotta get back out there."
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I was really looking around,
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really trying to evaluate
what I could bring to the table.
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I had photographs taken on the driveway
of shoeprints in mud.
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There was a stun gun
on the ground by Mickey.
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There were some cartridge casings.
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Next to the garage door
were these small, little orange trees.
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And I looked,
and I saw orange peels on the ground.
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They were cut.
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And it was fresh.
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I mean, I remember just thinking,
"They were sitting out there
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and they're gonna have an orange
while waiting to execute people."
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It just made me know
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that they knew
exactly where to sit and wait.
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You start
piecing this all together.
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They were lying in wait
in front of the garage.
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There was, yeah, the stun gun.
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Now, was that used on Mickey?
Was it used on her? We're not quite sure.
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But it was there, obviously,
to try and take control.
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Ten-speed bicycles, guns...
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Ah, killing in the sequence that would
do the most harm and pain for Mickey.
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We're talking a hit.
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It is a hit.
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{\an8}Our primary suspects are two male Blacks.
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They're described
as 20 to 30 years of age.
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There was a woman that was driving
down the road near Bradbury Estates.
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And as she's driving,
suddenly from across that little driveway,
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these two male Blacks on bicycles.
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It seemed like they were out of control.
They were going too fast.
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But she got a look
because she nearly hit them,
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and as a good citizen, calls in.
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{\an8}Uh, she made a comment
to the sheriff's department,
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and the sheriff's department
got her in contact with a forensic artist.
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All the officers are aware,
all the surrounding areas,
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and we put up traffic stops
at major intersections.
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We're handing out these artist renderings
of the suspects.
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Homicide detectives in LA
hope someone somewhere
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will see this report on the murder
of racing legend Mickey Thompson
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and his wife Trudy,
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and volunteer information
about these two men.
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The media coverage, it was...
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As sad as it was, they just shoved it
down your throat every two seconds.
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Police say he and his wife
were shot several times...
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The two men
then fled on ten-speed bicycles.
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The biggest question
still unanswered is, "Why?"
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It was on every station.
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It was on all the major networks.
Even the non-major networks were there.
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The media was out of control.
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It was very oppressive
and very hard seeing it on the news...
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uh, with the helicopters...
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...showing pictures
of where their bodies were.
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And there was no personal space for grief.
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Now, one of the things
you've got to do is learn your victim.
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{\an8}When did they get into that position
where they were gonna be victimized?
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It's very important.
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We were directed to go to a house
not far from the crime scene
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where the family had gathered.
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Everybody was very, very hurt,
very broken up.
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And we were coming in to talk to 'em.
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That's one of the worst parts
about the job.
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I think everybody was in a daze.
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I mean, "Is this really happening?"
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{\an8}I tell you one thing, they killed
the finest two people in the whole world.
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Part of the gathering
was the sister, who is Collene,
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and she just loved
Mickey and Trudy to death.
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Danny, who was trying to fill in
as much information as he could,
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but he was... he was crushed.
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He was hurting.
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I told the investigators right at first,
"This wasn't an easy residence to get in."
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"You had to have a plan."
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"And it had to be premeditated."
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While we're interviewing everybody
in the family, they had a feeling of,
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{\an8}"If it's done,
Mike Goodwin was responsible."
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Mickey Thompson and Mike Goodwin
were in similar businesses.
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Mickey Thompson
would bring in Baja-style racing indoors.
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Mike Goodwin
was emulating that to a certain degree
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on the motocross circuit.
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The two of them decided
a partnership would benefit them.
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Mike Goodwin was incredibly bright,
incredibly big personality,
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incredibly charismatic,
and he was used to winning.
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He won at everything he did.
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Mickey and Trudy
had focused in on the car side of it,
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and at the same time,
Goodwin was beginning to promote
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motorcycle racing
under similar conditions.
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Bringing the motorcycles in,
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motorcycle events
along with the car event together,
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you know, made good sense.
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Mickey Thompson had the name.
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He was lending his name and reputation
to the event to fill the stadium.
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My dad secured the contracts
at Anaheim Stadium
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for both off-road and supercross.
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It looked like Goodwin
would've been a good partner.
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But Goodwin, after a couple events there,
ran the bills up, didn't pay 'em,
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and burnt the relationships
with the stadiums, you know,
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by not paying and being Goodwin.
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When we looked into
Goodwin's background,
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one of the things we found about him is,
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any time he got a chance,
he would screw you.
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He was a crook.
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For Mickey,
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integrity and making sure
that everyone was taken care of
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was incredibly important.
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There... There was
a realization on Mickey's part.
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"No, I'm not gonna lend my name
to something like that."
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So Mickey terminated the partnership,
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and that was the beginning
of a long legal battle.
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All the court battles.
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My dad kept winning,
and the judgements were in his favor.
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Goodwin started switching money around,
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and, you know, claiming bankruptcy here,
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switching it to this person, that person.
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The last time
that I saw Mickey and Trudy,
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there was a phone call.
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Mickey turned it over to speakerphone.
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I... I recognized, uh, Goodwin's voice,
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and what he was saying was,
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"I'm going to make you pay."
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"You'll never see
the loss through its end."
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Goodwin's tone was deadly serious.
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One of the last conversations
I had with my dad,
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he warned me
that Goodwin was out of control.
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Well, obviously,
we've now got to interview Mike Goodwin.
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So we drive down to their law offices.
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As we get in, Mike Goodwin
was standing behind his attorney.
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His attorney said, "We're not gonna
allow him to talk to you."
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And he stood there...
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God, he went through this ritual of...
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Hands up. [sarcastically] "Ooh!"
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He kept pointing at his attorney.
I thought, "Oh, God, I'm gonna throw up."
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Goodwin had told his attorney
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that he was at a gym
at six o'clock that morning,
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and he was talking to people.
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A lot of people could verify he was there.
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Mike Goodwin
was on a treadmill in Orange County
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at the time these two people
were killed in the San Gabriel Valley.
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So there was nothing connecting
Mike Goodwin to that crime scene.
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There is no direct evidence,
there is no smoking gun,
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because no one ever determined
who were the shooters.
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And then a short time later,
Michael Goodwin and his wife,
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they just disappear.
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And when they contacted
Michael Goodwin's attorney, they said,
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"All that we know
is they bought this boat,
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and they left the country."
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So he couldn't be questioned,
he couldn't be investigated.
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Every homicide investigator
in the history of mankind
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has one or two cases
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that they can't pull the trigger
on that last bit of evidence.
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There is those cases that you think,
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"My God, that one bothers me."
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Mickey didn't deserve this.
Trudy didn't deserve this.
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And you have
this punk Mike Goodwin fleeing.
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{\an8}Yeah, I mean,
I think it really hurt those detectives.
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They all were really upset
that they just couldn't break it.
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Everybody wanted that to be solved.
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They don't always get solved.
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The Cold Case Unit
of the LA County Sheriff's Department
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at that time was composed of
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about six older, mature,
close-to-retirement detectives.
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A great detective,
a guy named John Yarbrough,
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he basically said, "Hey, I've got
this really big unsolved cold case,
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the Mickey Thompson,
Trudy Thompson murders."
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"And I'd like you to learn
about the nuances of this case
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because there's a lot to it,
and I'm old. I'm gonna retire soon."
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"You're young. It'll be easy for you.
It won't be hardly anything at all, kid."
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He ultimately retired around 1994,
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and myself and my new partner
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then kind of assumed control of the case
from that point on.
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I'd never heard of Mickey Thompson
in my life
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until I got introduced to the case.
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It's a high-profile case,
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and I'm really at the beginning
of my murder career.
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I've only been a murder cop two years.
334
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I went to Rey for advice.
I respected him greatly.
335
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He gave me great advice.
336
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"Only one way to eat an elephant."
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"One bite at a time."
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Mark Lillienfeld.
I was always impressed by him.
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If I am murdered,
I want him investigating my murder.
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00:21:56,898 --> 00:22:01,445
He has the skills,
tenacity, intelligence, humor,
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and, uh, he was not impressed
or pushed around by hierarchy.
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It's good sometimes
to question authority.
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You gotta think globally,
be open to other ideas,
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but to not dismiss out of hand
certain other theories that may come up.
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Was somebody mad at somebody else
for another reason other than
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{\an8}this business dispute between
Michael Goodwin and Mickey Thompson?
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{\an8}You've gotta be open to that.
348
00:22:30,474 --> 00:22:33,935
{\an8}So one of the first things we did
was I met Collene Campbell,
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Mickey Thompson's kid sister.
350
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Collene Campbell is a force of nature.
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She's an amazing woman.
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Anybody that's had somebody murdered,
I think, understands.
353
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There is so much anger inside of you,
and you don't get past it,
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and you relive it
every night in your nightmares.
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00:22:58,293 --> 00:23:00,545
The first time
I met Collene was at her home.
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I hit it off with her.
I liked her right away.
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We kind of had a connection.
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And of course,
after four minutes of being in the home,
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I had to use the restroom.
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As I'm walking down the hallway,
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I see a photograph
of a young man on the wall,
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and it was Scott, her son.
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00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:21,733
In 1982, Collene suffered, you know...
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00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:25,946
The most horrific tragedy any parent
could suffer is the loss of a child.
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00:23:26,696 --> 00:23:29,449
Scott had been hanging around
with the wrong people.
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He was killed,
and his body was tossed out of a plane.
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She basically investigated it herself.
368
00:23:38,208 --> 00:23:41,420
She brought everything,
all the information together.
369
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:44,631
She worked those innards
to make 'em outards.
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00:23:44,631 --> 00:23:51,096
And she was very instrumental
in pushing for, uh, prosecution.
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I mean,
she was relentless, never giving up,
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and she was all the time on it,
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and on it in ways
that you would never even imagine.
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00:24:01,231 --> 00:24:06,445
Larry Cowell was ultimately convicted
for the murder of Collene's son,
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and Collene, she described repeatedly,
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00:24:09,698 --> 00:24:12,909
"You need to at least look at this
and eliminate Larry Cowell."
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00:24:12,909 --> 00:24:16,830
Because it turns out during the trial
of Larry Cowell and his crime partner
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for the murder of Scott Campbell,
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Mickey Thompson actually testified.
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00:24:22,252 --> 00:24:27,883
Larry Cowell was, uh, deeply enmeshed
in the narcotics world
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'cause he was a dope dealer,
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00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:31,470
but also, he was a big auto racing guy.
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00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:35,056
And Mickey testified as an expert witness
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00:24:35,056 --> 00:24:38,059
regarding these car parts
found in Larry Cowell's shop.
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00:24:40,228 --> 00:24:46,860
The trial ended eight or ten months prior
to the deaths of Mickey and Trudy.
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00:24:47,444 --> 00:24:50,322
It's kind of unusual
that murder should hit a family like that.
387
00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:52,365
So we looked for a connection.
388
00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:55,952
We reviewed
all the Scott Campbell murder reports.
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00:24:55,952 --> 00:24:58,038
We spoke to the original detective.
390
00:24:58,538 --> 00:25:00,415
You know, we took it seriously.
391
00:25:00,916 --> 00:25:05,128
There was not a shred of evidence
to indicate any relationship
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00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:07,672
between the murders
of Mickey and Trudy Thompson
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00:25:07,672 --> 00:25:10,258
and the murder
of Mickey's nephew Scott Campbell,
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00:25:10,258 --> 00:25:16,973
other than the fact that they devastated
a very nice, big, warm, loving family.
395
00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:23,438
My partner and I wound up
going back, really, to square one.
396
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:26,983
We'd come up with theories, ideas.
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00:25:26,983 --> 00:25:30,779
All those things have been eliminated.
The one thing that hasn't been eliminated
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00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:33,240
is the fact that
somebody was paid to do this murder,
399
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,534
and they were paid
by Michael Frank Goodwin.
400
00:25:41,081 --> 00:25:42,791
Once Mickey Thompson
was murdered,
401
00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:44,209
once Trudy Thompson was murdered,
402
00:25:44,209 --> 00:25:46,211
if Mike Goodwin had nothing to do with it,
403
00:25:46,211 --> 00:25:48,797
you'd expect him
to live his life very normally,
404
00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:50,215
going about his business,
405
00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:52,384
not changing anything of any note.
406
00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:55,637
But what did Mike Goodwin actually do
after Mickey was killed?
407
00:25:56,763 --> 00:26:00,058
Michael Goodwin and his wife
decided to sell their house,
408
00:26:00,058 --> 00:26:04,229
{\an8}and they take
all the assets that they have,
409
00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:08,984
and they funnel 'em into a Caribbean bank.
410
00:26:08,984 --> 00:26:12,904
Eighty-eight days after the murder,
he fled the country on a boat
411
00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:14,823
that he obtained through fraud.
412
00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:22,205
In 1993,
Mike Goodwin was charged with fraud
413
00:26:22,205 --> 00:26:24,666
after he came back to the United States.
414
00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:28,378
He was found guilty
and went to federal prison.
415
00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:33,466
And he would receive a sentence
of two and a half years.
416
00:26:36,136 --> 00:26:37,971
Mike Goodwin
wasn't gonna talk.
417
00:26:37,971 --> 00:26:41,224
He'd never talk to the cops,
but we had his phone calls monitored.
418
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:42,934
At the same time,
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00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:46,229
every person that was ever interviewed
by the original detectives,
420
00:26:46,229 --> 00:26:48,940
my partner and I went back
and re-interviewed those people.
421
00:26:49,691 --> 00:26:51,443
In speaking with Dr. Lance Johnson,
422
00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:54,446
who was kind of
an earwitness to the assault,
423
00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:57,490
he said, "My daughter,
her best friend, Allison Triarsi,
424
00:26:57,490 --> 00:26:59,326
lived across the street
from Mickey Thompson."
425
00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:00,660
"She saw the whole thing."
426
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:05,957
And he wasn't sure if law enforcement
had ever contacted Allison Triarsi.
427
00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:10,086
It turned out, in reviewing the records,
law enforcement never had.
428
00:27:10,670 --> 00:27:11,838
They didn't overlook her.
429
00:27:11,838 --> 00:27:15,634
At the time of the murders,
Allison Triarsi, a 15-year-old girl,
430
00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,345
she was actually hidden by her parents
431
00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:21,056
because of the psychological trauma
that she had.
432
00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:23,350
And I get it. If I had children...
433
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:26,478
If it was my dog that was an eyewitness,
I would have hidden my dog.
434
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,897
I wouldn't let my dog
talk to the cops either.
435
00:27:30,398 --> 00:27:32,859
Allison Triarsi, she's a grown woman now,
436
00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:34,944
so we were able to locate her.
437
00:27:36,196 --> 00:27:37,614
Allison told my partner and I
438
00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:39,532
that she was getting ready
to go to school,
439
00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:43,203
and she heard
this really high-pitched screaming
440
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:47,957
as she ran to these living room windows
that looked down on the Thompson estate.
441
00:27:50,293 --> 00:27:53,254
So Allison actually saw
442
00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:57,008
Trudy Thompson crawling
on her hands and knees down the driveway.
443
00:27:57,592 --> 00:28:00,637
Mickey Thompson
was kneeling with his hands raised,
444
00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:04,140
begging, "Please don't kill my wife.
Please don't kill my wife."
445
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:06,559
Not begging for his life,
begging for her life.
446
00:28:07,811 --> 00:28:09,562
When Trudy got to the end,
447
00:28:09,562 --> 00:28:12,899
the suspect pulled the trigger
and fired into Trudy's head.
448
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,947
Allison watches that same suspect
walk up the hill, shoot, and kill Mickey.
449
00:28:20,407 --> 00:28:22,742
Allison was able to describe right away
450
00:28:22,742 --> 00:28:27,080
that it was two African-American males
that fled on ten-speed bicycles.
451
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,876
They wanted Mickey
to watch her suffer,
452
00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:34,754
allowing him to understand
453
00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:38,133
that the last thing
he's ever gonna see on this earth
454
00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:42,011
was the love of his life being executed.
455
00:28:43,513 --> 00:28:45,181
He so treasured her.
456
00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:47,767
He was that kind of person.
457
00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:52,230
The fact that he'd try and put himself
in harm's way to protect her,
458
00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:54,566
it was no surprise at all.
459
00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:58,361
It was planned to torture my dad.
460
00:29:01,281 --> 00:29:02,115
Cut and dry.
461
00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:04,033
And it did.
462
00:29:11,291 --> 00:29:14,127
Hearing Allison's version
of what occurred
463
00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:18,173
really kind of drove the nail
into the coffin a little bit more
464
00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:20,759
in corroborating what we already believed.
465
00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:24,137
She is the only living eyewitness
466
00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:28,558
that was able to describe
the actual shooting of both victims.
467
00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:30,101
So she was pretty critical.
468
00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:34,063
It's one thing to hear about it.
It's another thing to actually see it.
469
00:29:34,647 --> 00:29:38,109
There was only one reason
to kill these two people in this manner,
470
00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:40,820
and that was pure, unadulterated revenge.
471
00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:43,323
But more evidence was needed
472
00:29:43,323 --> 00:29:48,119
to literally tether Mike Goodwin
to the actual murders.
473
00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:54,167
Mike Goodwin paroled from federal prison.
474
00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:57,337
{\an8}He flew out to Orange County,
Santa Ana airport.
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00:29:57,337 --> 00:30:02,801
{\an8}So I wound up having his luggage
somewhat lost, um, when the plane landed.
476
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:07,055
So I pretended, you know,
that I was a passenger on the plane too,
477
00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:09,432
and we're both pissed off,
waiting for our luggage.
478
00:30:09,432 --> 00:30:10,642
He was clueless.
479
00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:14,729
I had a tape recorder going
'cause I wanted to record his voice,
480
00:30:14,729 --> 00:30:17,482
'cause I knew at some point in time
481
00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:21,194
I was gonna attempt
to wiretap his telephones,
482
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:23,238
so I wanted to know what he sounded like.
483
00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:26,032
So that was really my primary goal,
484
00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:29,536
and secondarily,
it was simply just to meet the guy.
485
00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:32,455
Much like knowing
about your murder victims,
486
00:30:32,455 --> 00:30:34,415
the more you know about your suspect,
487
00:30:34,415 --> 00:30:38,837
the more you can find their weak spots
and exploit that to your advantage.
488
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:41,381
During that 40-minute airport meeting,
489
00:30:41,381 --> 00:30:43,383
it was all Mike Goodwin, all the time,
490
00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:45,176
and it was all bullshit.
491
00:30:45,176 --> 00:30:49,389
Mike Goodwin claims to be the youngest
Eagle Scout in history. Bullshit.
492
00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:52,934
Mike Goodwin claims to have bedded
every Playboy Bunny. Bullshit.
493
00:30:52,934 --> 00:30:57,981
Mike Goodwin claims he's the Golden Gloves
Champion of Pensacola, Florida. Bullshit.
494
00:30:57,981 --> 00:31:00,650
Really bullshit, inconsequential lies
495
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:04,153
that don't amount to a hill of beans,
but show a pattern of conduct.
496
00:31:04,153 --> 00:31:05,905
The guy can't tell the truth.
497
00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:07,824
His whole life was a lie.
498
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,209
At first, it was quiet.
Nothing was really happening.
499
00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:21,713
As much as I like Lillienfeld,
he didn't tell me anything.
500
00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:23,631
But he couldn't. That's not... He...
501
00:31:23,631 --> 00:31:28,386
His job is not to blab around everything.
His job is to investigate, figure it out.
502
00:31:30,096 --> 00:31:36,269
After so many years on this
Mickey Thompson, Trudy Thompson killing,
503
00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:38,730
you needed to approach in a different way.
504
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:42,817
The Sheriff's Department Homicide Bureau
were not media-driven,
505
00:31:42,817 --> 00:31:47,697
but I had used the TV show
America's Most Wanted previously
506
00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:49,782
on another unrelated murder case,
507
00:31:50,366 --> 00:31:52,535
and it generated some really good clues.
508
00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:56,748
I was trying to identify the shooters.
They were still interested.
509
00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:03,713
We got a couple hundred phone calls,
510
00:32:03,713 --> 00:32:06,549
and some of them
were the crazy phone calls,
511
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:09,802
the alien phone calls,
or John Wayne did it, or whatever,
512
00:32:09,802 --> 00:32:11,471
but a number were of value.
513
00:32:13,139 --> 00:32:17,018
What makes Mark so great is
514
00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:19,395
he's gonna find these little things
515
00:32:19,395 --> 00:32:23,816
and figure out a way to get information.
516
00:32:23,816 --> 00:32:28,279
{\an8}In this case, found a girl
that got done wrong by him.
517
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,366
We received
a call on a tip line.
518
00:32:31,366 --> 00:32:34,869
This woman, she'd had a brief
romantic relationship with Goodwin.
519
00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:37,830
She told us on the phone
that Mike Goodwin and her
520
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:40,875
were watching a crime show
on the Mickey Thompson murders,
521
00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:43,211
and that Mike had confessed to her
522
00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:47,256
his responsibility
for having arranged those murders.
523
00:32:47,256 --> 00:32:50,218
And he was bragging about
how he'd never be caught
524
00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:51,427
'cause he was too smart.
525
00:32:52,845 --> 00:32:54,973
So she became a good witness,
526
00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,809
but it was one part of the bigger puzzle
527
00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:01,437
that the women in Mike Goodwin's life
had obtained admissions from him,
528
00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:05,233
and God knows how many other women
are out there that hold that secret.
529
00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:09,487
I was asked by Mark,
530
00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:11,823
"Hey, I'd like you to head this up."
531
00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:16,536
"I want you to go to Virginia to monitor
the activity of Goodwin's ex-wife."
532
00:33:16,536 --> 00:33:17,578
Mike Goodwin was married
533
00:33:17,578 --> 00:33:20,832
at the time of the murders
of Mickey and Trudy Thompson,
534
00:33:20,832 --> 00:33:24,794
but, eventually,
he and his wife of that time divorced.
535
00:33:25,878 --> 00:33:28,548
Mike Goodwin
paroled from federal prison
536
00:33:28,548 --> 00:33:32,427
pretty close to the same time
his ex-wife Diana Goodwin
537
00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:36,222
went to live with her parents
in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
538
00:33:36,222 --> 00:33:39,517
We applied for and received permission
to do a wire intercept
539
00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:42,395
in the state of Virginia
on Diane Goodwin's home phone
540
00:33:42,395 --> 00:33:44,105
and her business telephone.
541
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:47,650
During undercover operations,
542
00:33:47,650 --> 00:33:51,195
we sometimes want to stimulate people
to talk about crime.
543
00:33:53,197 --> 00:33:58,244
One of the ways, and it's very common,
is quite frankly by calling the person.
544
00:33:58,244 --> 00:34:01,956
"I'm Detective Mark Lillienfeld from
Los Angeles County Sheriff's Homicide."
545
00:34:01,956 --> 00:34:05,043
"I would love to talk to you
about your ex-husband."
546
00:34:05,543 --> 00:34:09,005
I don't really care if she talks to me
or tells me to go fuck myself,
547
00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,007
which is basically what she did.
548
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:12,800
All I care about is I got her brain going.
549
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:17,930
When she started
getting phone calls from Mark Lillienfeld,
550
00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:24,187
we were there to monitor her
in an assortment of surveillance tactics,
551
00:34:24,187 --> 00:34:25,730
and see what she did,
552
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:28,066
because it's gonna lead to more evidence.
553
00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:31,986
One phone call in particular
we listened to,
554
00:34:31,986 --> 00:34:36,324
she basically makes an admission
that Mike had admitted to her
555
00:34:36,324 --> 00:34:38,618
that he was responsible
for the Thompson murders.
556
00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:40,286
We've got two different people
557
00:34:40,286 --> 00:34:42,622
in two different states
at two different times
558
00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:43,706
making the same statement,
559
00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:47,043
that Michael Goodwin admitted
being responsible for the murders
560
00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:48,461
of Mickey and Trudy Thompson.
561
00:34:48,461 --> 00:34:50,755
That's good shit,
a legal term in my world.
562
00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:58,596
Everything about this case
was circumstantial,
563
00:34:58,596 --> 00:35:02,350
in terms of connecting Mike Goodwin
to the actual murders.
564
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:07,980
{\an8}That changed
with the revelation of new eyewitnesses.
565
00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:11,317
The America's Most Wanted show
generated a call from a gentleman
566
00:35:11,317 --> 00:35:13,528
who was an accountant, and they said,
567
00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:17,490
"I've got a client,
and he saw some suspicious activity
568
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:19,408
a couple days before the murder."
569
00:35:19,408 --> 00:35:23,037
"He's tried calling the cops,
but they always brush him off."
570
00:35:23,037 --> 00:35:24,914
This gentleman's name is Ron Stevens.
571
00:35:24,914 --> 00:35:27,792
Basically, he said,
"I didn't know Mickey Thompson,
572
00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:28,709
I never met him,
573
00:35:28,709 --> 00:35:31,879
but I lived about three blocks away
from where he was killed."
574
00:35:31,879 --> 00:35:34,382
Ron goes on to tell me,
"I come home early,
575
00:35:34,382 --> 00:35:37,468
and my wife steps outside the house
to greet me in the driveway."
576
00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:39,303
"She said, 'Hey, I'm glad you're home.'"
577
00:35:39,303 --> 00:35:41,848
"'There's a suspicious car
parked on the street.'"
578
00:35:41,848 --> 00:35:44,183
"'It's got two men in it,
and they got binoculars,
579
00:35:44,183 --> 00:35:45,643
and I think something is up.'"
580
00:35:45,643 --> 00:35:49,981
"'There's a grade school down the street.
Maybe they're pedophiles, kidnappers.'"
581
00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:55,695
And Ron Stevens actually walks
towards where this car's parked,
582
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:58,447
and he can see the side of the driver.
583
00:35:58,447 --> 00:36:00,283
Driver was white. Passenger was Black.
584
00:36:00,283 --> 00:36:03,911
When Ron Stevens gets closer
to the driver, he gets out of there.
585
00:36:03,911 --> 00:36:06,956
He, like, peels rubber leaving the scene.
586
00:36:06,956 --> 00:36:08,833
And Ron thinks, "God, that's odd."
587
00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:10,918
He called the LA County
Sheriff's Department.
588
00:36:10,918 --> 00:36:13,629
Sadly, we never
sent a radio car out there.
589
00:36:13,629 --> 00:36:15,756
So it... it's on us. It's our bad.
590
00:36:18,092 --> 00:36:21,971
This is about four days before
the Mickey and Trudy Thompson murders.
591
00:36:21,971 --> 00:36:24,307
And when he describes the driver,
592
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:26,601
he describes
Michael Goodwin almost to a tee.
593
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:30,646
Could this have been Goodwin?
594
00:36:30,646 --> 00:36:33,858
Could he have been there
actually surveilling the area
595
00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:37,320
in order to set the plans in motion
to have them murdered?
596
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,325
So now what had to be done
was there had to be a lineup
597
00:36:42,325 --> 00:36:46,996
to see if this witness
really could identify Goodwin.
598
00:36:46,996 --> 00:36:49,457
That was the problem.
How are you gonna do that?
599
00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:52,627
If the person was in custody,
you could do it.
600
00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:55,379
So the idea was,
601
00:36:55,379 --> 00:36:58,007
"Well, let's arrest him
on a Ramey warrant."
602
00:36:58,007 --> 00:37:02,345
Ramey is a term we use in California
for a probable cause arrest warrant,
603
00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:05,264
where we take
the actual warrant to a judge.
604
00:37:05,264 --> 00:37:07,391
He signs it.
The prosecutor is not involved.
605
00:37:08,184 --> 00:37:10,519
So I write an arrest warrant
for Mike Goodwin.
606
00:37:11,103 --> 00:37:12,021
Fuck Mike Goodwin.
607
00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:17,693
Mr. Goodwin, you are here
608
00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:20,154
because you refused
to volunteer for the lineup.
609
00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:22,490
Would it have been easier, in hindsight,
610
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:25,159
to simply volunteer
rather than go through this?
611
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,121
No, I think we have to challenge
government misconduct whenever we can.
612
00:37:29,121 --> 00:37:32,833
But let me ask you this,
if I committed otherwise a perfect crime,
613
00:37:32,833 --> 00:37:36,003
would I have been so stupid
to go to the scene of the crime?
614
00:37:36,629 --> 00:37:39,298
I mean, this is beyond belief.
615
00:37:39,298 --> 00:37:42,760
I coordinate a live lineup
in Men's Central Jail with Ron Stevens,
616
00:37:43,344 --> 00:37:44,428
with him and his wife.
617
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,223
We have them both view the lineup.
618
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,727
They both identified Michael Frank Goodwin
619
00:37:51,727 --> 00:37:54,772
as the guy sitting in the car
with an African-American
620
00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:57,984
three blocks from Mickey Thompson's house
four days before the murder.
621
00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:00,945
Being able to place him
at or close to the crime scene
622
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:03,030
was a revelation, was a huge deal.
623
00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:06,909
We got him now,
and we charged him with murder.
624
00:38:06,909 --> 00:38:09,453
This whole thing is a farce and a setup,
625
00:38:09,453 --> 00:38:12,540
and my treatment in jail
was exemplary of that.
626
00:38:13,791 --> 00:38:15,501
That's it.
- It's a Bible.
627
00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:16,794
Thank you.
628
00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:25,928
I looked up in the sky,
and talked to Mickey about...
629
00:38:25,928 --> 00:38:29,807
{\an8}I said, "You think you've gone through
some endurance races in your life."
630
00:38:29,807 --> 00:38:31,058
"Let me tell you."
631
00:38:31,726 --> 00:38:36,022
"We've just gone through
a 13-year-nine-months endurance race."
632
00:38:36,022 --> 00:38:39,734
"And this is a tough one,
but I did what you taught me to do."
633
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:41,652
"Never, never give up."
634
00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:44,739
I remember when he was arrested.
635
00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:46,115
It was hopeful.
636
00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:48,534
But it wasn't done.
637
00:38:48,534 --> 00:38:51,620
Goodwin called the case
against him "character assassination."
638
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:54,457
Knowing what a slimy bastard Goodwin was...
639
00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:56,792
Is he gonna wiggle his way
out of this one?
640
00:38:58,753 --> 00:39:03,299
Mike Goodwin had a hot red, burning hate
for me after I'd arrested him.
641
00:39:03,299 --> 00:39:05,843
The threats and everything
started around that time.
642
00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:07,803
He had people working for him,
643
00:39:07,803 --> 00:39:12,266
and it was a continual,
you know, never-ending thing.
644
00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:16,395
Mark Lillienfeld was starting
to get some pretty significant threats.
645
00:39:16,395 --> 00:39:18,773
Um, threats on his life, death threats,
646
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:20,649
but Mark was of the opinion,
647
00:39:20,649 --> 00:39:23,194
"I've got a job to do.
I'm not gonna be deterred."
648
00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:27,698
Mark is one of those guys
that learned to let blows glance off them,
649
00:39:27,698 --> 00:39:29,867
and I was that dumb Irish boxer
650
00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:32,995
that stood there taking...
absorbing every frickin' blow
651
00:39:32,995 --> 00:39:34,663
to show everyone how tough you are.
652
00:39:35,581 --> 00:39:38,459
To do it as long as Mark did it,
you have to be like Mark,
653
00:39:38,459 --> 00:39:41,629
where you really
can let things glance off of you.
654
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:49,470
After seeing what these people will do,
I am concerned about anything.
655
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:50,721
They will make up evidence.
656
00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:56,227
The DA's office didn't want
to get involved in this if it was a loser.
657
00:39:56,727 --> 00:40:00,189
If you don't have all your ducks in order,
you don't want to take a chance,
658
00:40:00,189 --> 00:40:02,691
especially on a publicity case like this.
659
00:40:03,859 --> 00:40:07,279
I met Ron Bowers.
He was a deputy district attorney.
660
00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:09,031
He had retired at the time,
661
00:40:09,031 --> 00:40:11,951
and he'd been hired back
in their Trial Support Division.
662
00:40:11,951 --> 00:40:16,414
So, the two prosecutors,
Alan Jackson and Pat Dixon,
663
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,958
had elicited Ron's help
664
00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:23,045
in preparing all of the court exhibits
and helping get the case organized.
665
00:40:23,045 --> 00:40:24,255
It was a massive case.
666
00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:27,174
And I said,
"Well, I'm more than happy to look at it,
667
00:40:27,174 --> 00:40:30,594
uh, but I'm gonna
have to have the case files."
668
00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:34,306
And Mark said,
"Okay, we'll take care of it."
669
00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:39,728
Next day, I come to work,
and I barely can get into my office.
670
00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:43,065
It is filled with boxes and boxes.
671
00:40:43,566 --> 00:40:46,318
And scribbled on my yellow tab,
672
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:48,070
Mark had written,
673
00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:50,823
"Ron, these are the boxes
that you requested."
674
00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:54,285
"Now put the case together,
and do it quickly."
675
00:40:56,495 --> 00:40:57,913
Ron Bowers was integral
676
00:40:57,913 --> 00:41:01,000
to putting together
a blueprint presentation
677
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,209
to get the case to trial.
678
00:41:04,336 --> 00:41:06,464
Ron was a master at that.
679
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:11,010
I put together a presentation,
showed it to the district attorney,
680
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:14,972
and the district attorney said,
"Okay, we're gonna file it."
681
00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:18,476
So that was the beginning
of the preparation
682
00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:22,021
for the trial of Michael Goodwin.
683
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:28,652
From day one,
684
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:31,822
literally day one,
685
00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,534
Michael Goodwin had bad intentions.
686
00:41:36,118 --> 00:41:38,871
I'm unaware of any other case
in the history of California
687
00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:42,833
where the actual shooters
were never even identified.
688
00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:46,504
There's just no other conclusion
that's reasonable
689
00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:49,465
but that Mike Goodwin hired these people.
690
00:41:49,465 --> 00:41:52,176
We just kept coming back to the idea
691
00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:57,139
that I don't have to prove
that Mike Goodwin did it
692
00:41:57,139 --> 00:41:58,807
as much as I can prove
693
00:41:58,807 --> 00:42:01,644
that seven billion other people
on the planet didn't do it.
694
00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:03,562
Nobody else wanted Mickey Thompson dead.
695
00:42:03,562 --> 00:42:07,691
So in this case,
motive became very, very important.
696
00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:13,572
Mike Goodwin was homicidal, angry,
claiming to everybody that would listen,
697
00:42:13,572 --> 00:42:17,159
"I'll see Mickey Thompson dead
before I give him a nickel of my money."
698
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:19,286
The killers of Mickey
and Trudy Thompson
699
00:42:19,286 --> 00:42:20,788
{\an8}have never been identified.
700
00:42:20,788 --> 00:42:24,166
{\an8}Never been named,
never been caught, never been arrested.
701
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:29,463
The defense's case
could be most easily summed up as
702
00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:33,926
Mike Goodwin was at a gym
at the time these two people were killed.
703
00:42:33,926 --> 00:42:37,471
He had nothing to do with it.
There are too many unanswered questions.
704
00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:41,350
There were
many witnesses we called
705
00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:44,061
to testify regarding the threats,
706
00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:48,148
regarding the pre-offense conduct
that occurred between Mickey and Goodwin.
707
00:42:49,024 --> 00:42:52,361
I testified
about hearing the threats made
708
00:42:52,361 --> 00:42:54,405
and recognizing Goodwin's voice.
709
00:42:54,405 --> 00:42:58,409
He looked smug, like he was sure
that he wasn't going to be convicted.
710
00:42:58,993 --> 00:43:01,996
Yet, at the same time,
he never met my eyes.
711
00:43:02,997 --> 00:43:07,835
It was a big acknowledgement to me
that he knew the pain he had caused.
712
00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:16,635
Our closing arguments,
713
00:43:16,635 --> 00:43:22,224
one of the things that I thought
was incredibly... poignant,
714
00:43:22,224 --> 00:43:25,060
sad, but still important,
715
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:30,107
was the way Mickey
drew his last few breaths.
716
00:43:30,107 --> 00:43:33,569
Mickey Thompson's
last vision on this planet
717
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:36,447
was that of his wife being executed.
718
00:43:37,072 --> 00:43:38,907
Why is that so important?
719
00:43:38,907 --> 00:43:43,704
Because there's no other person
on the face of the earth
720
00:43:43,704 --> 00:43:46,790
who wanted Mickey Thompson
to suffer like that.
721
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:48,667
There's only one guy.
722
00:43:49,793 --> 00:43:51,128
And that was Mike Goodwin.
723
00:43:52,463 --> 00:43:56,383
When Alan Jackson came on
and did closing arguments, I was dazzled.
724
00:43:56,884 --> 00:43:58,927
I was going, "Yeah! Yeah!"
725
00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:00,804
Now, he convinced me.
726
00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:03,390
Did he convince
those other 12 people over there?
727
00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:15,194
The jury deliberated
about six days,
728
00:44:15,194 --> 00:44:17,404
and that wait was brutal.
729
00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:20,282
So you're left in this limbo
730
00:44:20,282 --> 00:44:24,078
of not knowing what those jurors
are gonna think of your presentation.
731
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,040
When the jury buzzed
to say they have a verdict,
732
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,002
it was a very, very jarring moment,
733
00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:33,420
thinking, "Okay, here we go."
734
00:44:34,421 --> 00:44:36,882
We the jury
in the above entitled action
735
00:44:36,882 --> 00:44:39,468
find the defendant Michael Goodwin guilty.
736
00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:45,349
When they came back with that,
Collene's squeezing my hand.
737
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:46,558
It was just like...
738
00:44:47,976 --> 00:44:50,479
There is justice.
You know, there is justice.
739
00:44:52,815 --> 00:44:55,859
Mike Goodwin
was convicted of all charges,
740
00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:58,862
two counts of murder,
and special circumstances,
741
00:44:59,446 --> 00:45:03,742
and he was sentenced to two consecutive
life terms without parole.
742
00:45:04,702 --> 00:45:07,955
I stood up, turned around, and...
743
00:45:07,955 --> 00:45:10,541
Collene was just sobbing
744
00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:14,128
with joy and... and relief.
745
00:45:14,128 --> 00:45:17,089
This is for Mickey. This is for Mickey.
746
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:18,882
He won this race.
747
00:45:20,801 --> 00:45:22,010
It's a great feeling.
748
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:24,972
This doesn't bring my dad back,
but there's some justice here.
749
00:45:26,014 --> 00:45:27,641
When I heard the verdict,
750
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:32,020
I remember saying out loud, "Finally."
751
00:45:33,772 --> 00:45:36,775
I gave
a piece of myself to the case.
752
00:45:37,568 --> 00:45:40,571
There's an enormous amount
of personal satisfaction
753
00:45:40,571 --> 00:45:45,325
knowing that the family
of Mickey Thompson and Trudy Thompson,
754
00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:49,163
what they had fought for,
dedicated their lives to...
755
00:45:49,163 --> 00:45:51,832
For every fiber of myself
that I gave to the case,
756
00:45:51,832 --> 00:45:54,501
I got so much more back from them.
757
00:45:54,501 --> 00:45:57,337
My promise
to Collene and Gary Campbell,
758
00:45:57,337 --> 00:45:59,339
and the Thompson family, really,
759
00:45:59,339 --> 00:46:03,260
was simply that I would work it
as hard as anybody and do my best.
760
00:46:03,886 --> 00:46:05,345
I intentionally don't use...
761
00:46:05,345 --> 00:46:08,640
I think it's a horrible word
and a horrible term,
762
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,851
and that would be the C-word,
meaning closure.
763
00:46:12,227 --> 00:46:15,439
When you lose two loved ones
through a horrible act of violence,
764
00:46:15,439 --> 00:46:17,149
you're not getting any closure.
765
00:46:18,066 --> 00:46:21,236
I remember when the verdict came in,
there was finality to that,
766
00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:23,030
both for me and for the family,
767
00:46:23,614 --> 00:46:26,950
but there was a nagging little thing
in the back of my brain.
768
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:29,661
"But it's unresolved.
The two killers are still out there."
769
00:46:30,537 --> 00:46:34,333
We've got one out of three,
but we still want these people.
770
00:46:35,292 --> 00:46:39,755
During the entire investigation,
we never developed a solid lead
771
00:46:39,755 --> 00:46:41,799
on who the actual shooters were.
772
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,675
That's still an active, ongoing case.
773
00:46:45,969 --> 00:46:50,891
It's wonderful
to know that a conviction was gotten.
774
00:46:52,518 --> 00:46:53,685
But their murder...
775
00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:56,939
is part of my life.
776
00:46:57,815 --> 00:46:59,441
My Aunt Trudy,
777
00:47:00,609 --> 00:47:02,236
she's there in the back of my mind.
778
00:47:02,236 --> 00:47:05,280
Mickey decided it was time
to fulfill his lifelong dream
779
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,157
and to set the world land speed record.
780
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,411
The one thing
that my dad never accomplished
781
00:47:11,411 --> 00:47:12,996
was the world land speed record.
782
00:47:14,915 --> 00:47:18,210
He did it one way,
but he didn't have the official record.
783
00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:23,632
So when he called me in 1987,
and he said, "I want you to drive it,"
784
00:47:23,632 --> 00:47:27,970
that meant more to me
probably than maybe anything else.
785
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:31,306
And then we started talking about it,
how to do it and everything,
786
00:47:31,306 --> 00:47:35,018
and then my dad got murdered.
787
00:47:35,727 --> 00:47:38,897
Then I let it go,
and I let it sit for 22 more years.
788
00:47:38,897 --> 00:47:41,191
And then I thought, "You know what?"
789
00:47:41,191 --> 00:47:43,277
"I don't want to be
sitting on the couch when I'm 80
790
00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:48,156
wondering if that car
would have gone 450 miles an hour."
791
00:47:50,784 --> 00:47:52,786
We gave up everything to do that.
792
00:47:52,786 --> 00:47:56,331
We gave up every single thing
we had in life to do that.
793
00:48:10,345 --> 00:48:12,097
And it happened.
794
00:48:12,848 --> 00:48:13,682
Way to go!
795
00:48:13,682 --> 00:48:15,726
Car went 459 miles an hour.
796
00:48:17,311 --> 00:48:19,229
I take my helmet off.
797
00:48:19,229 --> 00:48:22,232
I'm still standing in the car,
and I'm looking up.
798
00:48:25,027 --> 00:48:28,071
I finished his mission...
799
00:48:29,656 --> 00:48:31,158
and completed mine.
800
00:48:32,701 --> 00:48:35,245
{\an8}Probably one of
the most meaningful moments...
801
00:48:37,998 --> 00:48:38,999
ever.
802
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,978
{\an8}If there's one enemy
of a homicide detective, it's time.
803
00:48:59,978 --> 00:49:01,063
Time is your enemy.
804
00:49:03,815 --> 00:49:08,278
Teresa Broudreaux was found naked
and dead on the beach.
805
00:49:10,989 --> 00:49:14,117
It's been 33 years of no answers.
806
00:49:14,117 --> 00:49:15,786
What was your wife's name?
807
00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:18,163
Terri. T-E-R-R-I.
808
00:49:18,163 --> 00:49:19,957
And you guys
were legally married?
809
00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:21,083
Right? Okay.
810
00:49:24,044 --> 00:49:25,337
Everybody thought I did it.
811
00:49:26,755 --> 00:49:28,507
That I got away with it.
812
00:49:29,007 --> 00:49:32,678
A murder case is never closed
until someone's held accountable for it.
813
00:49:32,678 --> 00:49:34,262
Somebody out there knows something.