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Can we shoot?
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We need to shoot! I'm
here now, come on!
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I really would like to shoot.
I really... I'm sitting here,
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- I really would like to shoot.
- Laurent Bouzereau: Yes, we are.
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Okay. Uh,
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- you tell me when you're ready, Faye.
- Ready.
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Are we rolling?
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We're rolling.
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Here's the amazing thing.
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Today is March 29th.
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Now, on March 29, 1977,
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- you took this picture.
- Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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Show the picture to camera.
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It's exactly 45 years ago.
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Wow. It's an awfully long time.
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When you look at
this picture today,
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what do you see?
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Well, I remember the moment.
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I had won the Oscar for
"Network" the night before,
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and closer to 5 o'clock,
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Terry O'Neill tried
to persuade me
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to come to the pool at
dawn when the sun came up
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because he didn't want a
traditional kind of picture
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with the actress standing
with the Oscar and that.
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But he staged this.
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What I loved is that,
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"Is that all there is?" was
kind of the theme to it.
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Because at my feet are all
of the morning newspapers
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announcing the wins and also
a posthumous Peter Finch Oscar
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because he passed away
three months earlier.
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So, it was bittersweet and
this is a classic place,
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Beverly Hills Hotel
and swimming pool.
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So anyway, it was
an amazing night.
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It was really crazy.
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Very, very, um, memorable.
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Do you know me?
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Well, uh,
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I think I would've remembered.
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Have we ever met?
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Faye Dunaway in one word...
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"un-dismissible."
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Well, I'm Miss Bonnie Parker,
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and this here is
Mr. Clyde Barrow.
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We rob banks.
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Faye's a legend, an inspiration,
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a force of nature,
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a literal
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and absolute genius
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of an acting artist.
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And Faye is my chum.
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It's a funny, dirty, little job.
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Alchemy.
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It's the relationship
between a lens and a face.
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You can't pigeonhole
her as a movie star.
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You see a Faye Dunaway movie,
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and you see something
completely different.
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You don't see Faye Dunaway.
You see Bonnie Parker.
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You see Laura Mars.
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You see Wanda Wilcox.
You see Joan Crawford.
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Hollywood royalty.
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Mesmerizing.
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You know, it's very rare
that you get somebody
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who's so striking-looking
that's got acting chops.
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And she had a confidence because
Faye knew she could bring it.
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- I'm scared!
- So am I!
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- What are you scared for? You've got the gun!
- Yes!
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My mom is a very strong woman,
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and I think that's
one of the reasons
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why she was so good at acting
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is because she would
keep her emotions inside.
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And then when she had to act
a scene, she would let it out.
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I told him, Lou!
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I've been telling him
every day for a week!
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I am sick of telling
him! Now, you tell him!
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If you go back
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and you watch all
of my mom's movies,
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I think she's all of
her characters in one,
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in real life because she
put a little bit of herself
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into every character,
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and she put a little bit of
her character into herself.
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I was never arrogant that way.
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I knew I needed a
look, and I got one.
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Faye Dunaway in one word?
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Complicated.
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Who's one of the worst
people you know in Hollywood?
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That I worked with?
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Or that you wouldn't wanna
work with again. If...
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One million dollars,
Faye Dunaway.
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Everybody you can
put into this chair
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will tell you exactly
the same thing.
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You will read people
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with their superficial
comments about Faye.
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She's volatile, she's
difficult, temperamental,
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aggressive. Yeah, well,
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that's also true.
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But she's equally fastidious,
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caring, deeply caring,
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and she has an eye
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and a temperament for detail
that I think tips that balance
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into what people call difficult.
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And I think before you start
to make superficial judgments
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about someone like Faye,
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you have to look
deeper at the artist.
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This is the worst
seat in the world.
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I'm not happy with
anything here.
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I wanna sit at an angle.
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I don't wanna sit straight on.
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So the shoulders are there?
Does that look better, darling,
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- or shall I come straight like that?
- No, looks nice.
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It's the work, you know?
It takes what it takes.
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People think it's simple and,
"Oh, this and that. Be real."
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But there's so many details.
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I do a makeup, and I do a hair.
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You know, you have to
get there early enough
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till you have the exact time.
So, if you get there there,
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and you don't have the time,
you're nervous and frantic.
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If you come early you
have your preparation,
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you have an organization.
It's just a lot of stuff
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that has to fit
together like a puzzle.
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I need a glass of
water, not a bottle!
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Got it. Hold on.
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And it's supposed
to liberate you.
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And it's difficult because
it's tense, all of it.
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- Alright, Faye, put down the book.
- Speaker: Put down the book.
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In a minute!
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So, now you see what it is
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about me.
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Not easy.
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It's not easy, but
it gets the results.
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We'll see, we'll see.
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I just seem to always have
wanted to be an actress,
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or I always knew that that's
what I wanted to pursue anyway,
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you know, from a very
early age in the South
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when I was 5, 6 years old.
And I'd always grown up
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feeling that I could achieve
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what I wanted to achieve
if I worked hard enough.
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I mean that is, in fact, the
American dream, isn't it?
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I was born Dorothy Faye Dunaway
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on January 14, 1941.
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Dorothy Faye is the little
girl with brown hair
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who stood in the middle of a
dirt road in Bascom, Florida
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and played hopscotch
and mother-may-I.
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But I haven't been Dorothy
Faye for a long time.
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She might've been written
out of the script.
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We hope not, right?
She hasn't been.
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She's very important to me,
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and that's who I wanna
go back to sometimes.
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But, Faye is someone that
perhaps I have created.
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It's a persona that is
related very much to my work.
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It's specific to my career.
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That's the actress, I suppose.
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And Dorothy Faye is that
little girl from the South.
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That still is a deep part of me,
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and I have to stay close to
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because she's, you know,
integral to who I am.
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My mother and my father,
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they were young
when they married,
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and I don't think they had
a very good relationship
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because he had the
disease of alcoholism.
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True, serious illness,
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and he wasn't
bringing money home.
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He might've been drinking
too much even then.
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So, my mother sent a letter
to the War Department,
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asking them to draft my
father, and they did.
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He was a cook. He
worked in the kitchen.
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And they sent the check
to her every month,
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and we were able to pay off
bills and pay off the house.
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But, my mother had a great
sense of doing things right
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and also taking things
into her own hands
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when they didn't work.
That's what I learned
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by being with her and
seeing how she operated.
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And that's what it takes
to make things work.
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My mom was very close to Grace,
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and we would go to her little
farm in South Carolina,
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and my mom was always trying
to, like, take care of her.
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I've always been close with her.
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I mean, she taught
me everything.
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She had backbone, and
she fought very hard
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in a very difficult life
with very little money,
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and difficulties with my father.
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And my mother
always wanted more.
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So, she taught me to achieve.
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She taught me to do the
best, to get straight A's,
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to work hard, no matter what.
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And I'm glad that she did.
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But it was also
pretty demanding.
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I was trained to be
the best, and I was.
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I got some... an
idea in my mind,
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and I was gonna try to
achieve it. That's my mother.
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- We'll start with that guy.
- Oh Lord.
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Well, this is me and my
beloved brother, Mac,
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the sweetest boy in the
world, except for Liam.
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I always thought
he was so sweet,
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and I was such a kind of
go-getter, after my mother,
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that I felt guilty and I felt
I wish I were more like him.
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My brother, his name
was Mac Simmion Dunaway,
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and he's younger than
me, two years younger,
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and he was, I thought,
a lot sweeter than me.
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But I envied that.
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I envied that he was so
lovely and charming and sweet.
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I was with him at his bedside
just before he passed,
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which I'm happy about.
I'm glad that I was there.
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He just had contracted
some kind of illness
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without us really expecting it.
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Heartbreaking that we lost him.
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He was a wonderful
man, had a great life.
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This one was
interesting, I think,
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'cause I'd never seen it before,
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and there's no time or date
or anything like that...
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Absolutely, that is what it
is. It's Mannheim, Germany.
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It's when my father was
stationed in Germany,
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and we were outside
one of the parks there.
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And my brother and my father
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are standing exactly
the same way.
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You can see. Sweet. Very sweet.
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He was stationed
there in the Army,
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and we spent two years there.
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The time pattern of my life
was established very early
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when we began to travel
with my father in the Army.
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Every two years, he was
transferred somewhere else,
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and we went from Florida
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to Arkansas and Texas,
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and then to Germany,
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and back to Utah which
is dreary and very arid.
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And it was a rhythm that
was not pleasant sometimes.
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It was painful because you had
to pick up and leave friends
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and people that
you loved and knew,
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and there was no
kind of holding on.
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No kind of... It was...
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I don't think it's
good to do that
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but, I mean, I liked
it at the time,
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mostly because there
was something new,
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and I was always curious,
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and I always wanted
to see new places.
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But it was a mixture. It
was both bad and good.
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I'm interested to know at
what point you got interested
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in acting, and decided,
or had a vague decision,
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- at least, to be an actress.
- I, I can always remember, you say, a very vague,
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a-an unspoken kind of
leaning towards it.
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I always did plays.
I always played games
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where I was acting or dressing
up and things like that.
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There was neighborhood
playhouses,
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and I auditioned when I was 13
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for the part of Nurse
Kelly in "Harvey."
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And I played that in this
neighborhood playhouse
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in Dugway Proving Ground, Utah,
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which was an Army base
where my father was.
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That was something I did because
I was interested in that.
250
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I was always interested in that,
251
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but that was parallel
to my family experience,
252
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which was painful.
253
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The marriage had crumbled.
It was falling apart,
254
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and the acting was a way to
escape from the difficulties
255
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that existed in my family
life, in my home life.
256
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I mean, it was hurting
us as well, the children,
257
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so my mother wanted a divorce,
and we went back to Florida.
258
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Did you have a happy
childhood or an unhappy one?
259
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- I read a bit about it...
- Both, really. Not-Not terribly.
260
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It was, um, it was...
261
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Well, there was a divorce in
the family when I was older,
262
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but the childhood
itself was, was, um,
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not particularly unhappy.
264
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I remember that my relationship
with my mother, for example,
265
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was very close, you know? It
was not until really my teens
266
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that there was the divorce,
267
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and that certainly
is an adjustment
268
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because that is difficult
emotionally, and I imagine,
269
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financially, it was a
bit less of an easy life.
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We lived in Tallahassee,
271
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and I went to Leon High School.
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Tried out to be a cheerleader,
became a cheerleader.
273
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There was a drama club as well,
274
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and I had a couple of roles
in the productions there.
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After I graduated,
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I went to Florida State
University for one year,
277
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and then I transferred to
the University of Florida
278
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because I had a
boyfriend who was there.
279
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But winning a beauty contest
was de rigueur in the South.
280
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This is a very important
thing. You had to win one.
281
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You had to win one.
282
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And I tried a number of times,
283
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and I was always
runner-up to May Queen,
284
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six votes that I didn't
get, that someone else got.
285
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And then, when I finally
became Sweetheart of Sigma Chi,
286
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my darling boyfriend
at that time,
287
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Eugene Page, who's no longer
with us, unfortunately,
288
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he was part of this,
289
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and when I won that,
I thought, that's it.
290
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I've done it now.
291
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And in spite of the fact that
292
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Gene and I were very close,
293
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I had to go and live my life.
294
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I had to go and do
what I wanted to do,
295
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to be an actress. And so,
296
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I then researched
and found a school
297
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that was interesting because
it was Boston University,
298
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and it had visiting directors
from the New York stage.
299
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So I got accepted, and I
went to Boston University
300
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just after I became
Sweetheart of Sigma Chi.
301
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Okay, what's next?
Ah. This is...
302
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I think it's a...
some kind of Roman...
303
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It's me playing Medea
304
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when I was in college,
305
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and that's the chorus
and that's the gladiator.
306
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That's a play production that
I was in when I was young.
307
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Were you a terribly
ambitious young girl
308
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when you were a teenager
that got you out
309
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- in this crazy business in the first place?
- I had a lot of desire.
310
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And a lot of, um, energy.
311
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And a lot of, um, you know,
312
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determination to do good work.
313
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Did you ever get
down and frustrated,
314
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didn't think you
were gonna make it,
315
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or did you always know
that you had that goal set
316
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- and you were gonna make it?
- All the time!
317
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Every day down and
frustrated and, you know,
318
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had to pull yourself up
and talk to yourself,
319
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and I think that there's a
lot of character building
320
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and strength that goes
into, when one is fearful
321
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and when one takes
on a large task.
322
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Six days after I graduated
from Boston University,
323
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I went on Broadway in New York
to play with Emlyn Williams
324
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in "A Man for All Seasons,"
and, at the same time,
325
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I worked in the training program
for Lincoln Center Repertory.
326
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‘Cause Robert Whitehead, the
great producer, with Kazan,
327
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had seen me play
things up in Boston.
328
00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:53,350
Faye was in the company of
Lincoln Center led by Kazan,
329
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and everybody wanted
to be in this company.
330
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You had to audition for it.
331
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But, to be in the
company you had to spend,
332
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almost eight or nine months
in the training program.
333
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We didn't think about
going to Hollywood.
334
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We were thinking about
being on the stage,
335
00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:07,448
and so we were in an
extremely exciting
336
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and enviable place
by being with Kazan.
337
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What do you think of the
new Lincoln Center group?
338
00:15:13,038 --> 00:15:15,247
Well, I must think a lot of it.
I've worked a long time on it.
339
00:15:15,248 --> 00:15:16,623
We've brought this
bunch together,
340
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and it's a very exciting group.
341
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Very fresh and young, eager.
342
00:15:21,713 --> 00:15:25,133
And, uh, high-spirited.
Wonderful group of people.
343
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- You mean the actors, don't you?
- Yeah.
344
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Kazan would locate the
part within the actor.
345
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That was his secret. He
said, "The material I use
346
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is the life that the actor
has led up to this moment."
347
00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:40,856
Kazan taught me how to act.
348
00:15:40,857 --> 00:15:43,442
He taught me my feelings
were my strength.
349
00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:45,235
I used to think they
made me look weak
350
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and that I was weak if I cried
or felt sad or depressed.
351
00:15:48,698 --> 00:15:50,866
And he taught me to
use those feelings.
352
00:15:50,867 --> 00:15:52,117
He says, "They're who you are.
353
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They make you strong.
They don't make you weak."
354
00:15:54,162 --> 00:15:55,579
You know, when you
meet little girls,
355
00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:57,456
and they wanna be an actress
like you when they grow up,
356
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- what do you tell them?
- Get a good education.
357
00:16:00,335 --> 00:16:02,002
Become a person.
358
00:16:02,003 --> 00:16:04,546
And education is a
big part of that.
359
00:16:04,547 --> 00:16:08,092
And then, when you can bring
something to the profession,
360
00:16:08,093 --> 00:16:10,052
come in. But don't
come out saying,
361
00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:11,804
"Oh, I wanna be an actress
and get in front of a camera,"
362
00:16:11,805 --> 00:16:15,349
because a million other people
will be there before you,
363
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:16,433
or simultaneously,
364
00:16:16,434 --> 00:16:18,352
and it's just not the way
that it's gonna happen.
365
00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:20,730
You have to develop
your own uniqueness.
366
00:16:21,106 --> 00:16:23,982
I was getting a salary
on Broadway at that time,
367
00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:26,527
but it wasn't that much.
But I was a young actress.
368
00:16:26,528 --> 00:16:30,489
I was auditioning for things.
I finally got "Hogan's Goat."
369
00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:31,990
This was written
by William Alfred,
370
00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:33,784
who became my great
mentor and friend.
371
00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:37,496
And it was Off-Broadway,
but it was a beautiful role
372
00:16:37,497 --> 00:16:40,290
and written in blank verse
with an Irish accent.
373
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Daughter of a mighty Father,
374
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maiden patron of the May,
375
00:16:45,588 --> 00:16:48,799
angel forms around thee gather,
376
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,093
Macula non est in te.
377
00:16:51,094 --> 00:16:52,970
My mom in her 20s,
378
00:16:52,971 --> 00:16:55,931
she really turned more
of parental guidance
379
00:16:55,932 --> 00:16:58,100
to William Alfred,
380
00:16:58,101 --> 00:17:00,769
who she had met
on "Hogan's Goat."
381
00:17:00,770 --> 00:17:03,689
He was a professor at Harvard.
382
00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:05,232
He was also a writer,
383
00:17:05,233 --> 00:17:08,068
and they kind of just bonded.
384
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:10,404
I remember there's a
picture of them together,
385
00:17:10,405 --> 00:17:13,198
and they're just literally
at two ends of the desk,
386
00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:15,409
and there's just like a
typewriter in the middle,
387
00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:17,786
and you can see
they're just working.
388
00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:19,204
And that was their relationship.
389
00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:20,539
And he would always read books,
390
00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:22,958
so he got my mom into
more reading and learning
391
00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:24,752
and educating herself, and being
392
00:17:24,753 --> 00:17:27,338
a master of her craft.
393
00:17:27,339 --> 00:17:29,715
Bill Alfred was my
father, basically.
394
00:17:29,716 --> 00:17:31,091
My father in art.
395
00:17:31,092 --> 00:17:33,010
I would always go up
there with my scripts,
396
00:17:33,011 --> 00:17:34,845
and we would sit
in his living room,
397
00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:36,513
and he would fiddle and say,
398
00:17:36,514 --> 00:17:39,350
"Well, this is what maybe the
playwright was thinking about."
399
00:17:39,351 --> 00:17:42,604
So, he helped me enormously,
and he showed me how to work.
400
00:17:43,772 --> 00:17:47,066
But the play, "Hogan's
Goat," was a surprise hit.
401
00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:48,650
You know, everyone
came to see it.
402
00:17:48,651 --> 00:17:50,277
Jackie Onassis came one night.
403
00:17:50,278 --> 00:17:53,322
And the reviews were very
good. Not just for me,
404
00:17:53,323 --> 00:17:55,366
but for the play as well.
405
00:17:55,367 --> 00:17:57,659
That's when Hollywood
came knocking.
406
00:17:57,660 --> 00:18:01,705
And the casting
director, Joyce Selznick,
407
00:18:01,706 --> 00:18:03,207
was in the audience,
408
00:18:03,208 --> 00:18:06,335
and she recommended
me to Sam Spiegel,
409
00:18:06,336 --> 00:18:08,504
who was a very big
Hollywood producer.
410
00:18:08,505 --> 00:18:10,714
He had produced
"The African Queen,"
411
00:18:10,715 --> 00:18:13,550
"On the Waterfront"
with Marlon Brando,
412
00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:17,221
"Lawrence of Arabia,"
and he became a friend.
413
00:18:17,222 --> 00:18:19,390
Platonic. Never... There was
never any romance between us,
414
00:18:19,391 --> 00:18:23,102
but he believed in me, and
he put me into my first film,
415
00:18:23,103 --> 00:18:24,144
"The Happening."
416
00:18:24,145 --> 00:18:25,855
Are you scared?
417
00:18:27,482 --> 00:18:28,525
Yes, I'm scared.
418
00:18:28,733 --> 00:18:31,110
I don't think you're
really scared yet.
419
00:18:31,111 --> 00:18:33,070
It was glorious! You kidding?
420
00:18:33,071 --> 00:18:35,948
I was in shape.
421
00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:37,741
I used to do 100
sit-ups every morning
422
00:18:37,742 --> 00:18:40,035
because I had these bare
midriff things I had to wear.
423
00:18:40,036 --> 00:18:42,246
It was the first film
I did. Can you imagine?
424
00:18:42,247 --> 00:18:45,165
A young actress in this
world of movie-making,
425
00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:46,959
which is glamorous
and thrilling.
426
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,713
You and Rad made up your minds
to go and sell the place?
427
00:18:50,714 --> 00:18:54,216
- You're gonna have to talk to Rad about that, Henry.
- Okay.
428
00:18:54,217 --> 00:18:56,176
Only I hope you folks
don't wait too long.
429
00:18:56,177 --> 00:18:58,887
In "Hurry Sundown," I
played the farm wife.
430
00:18:58,888 --> 00:19:02,683
Jane Fonda played the wealthier
wife with Michael Caine
431
00:19:02,684 --> 00:19:04,059
that I wanted to play,
432
00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:06,311
but I got the role of
the poor Southern woman
433
00:19:06,312 --> 00:19:09,189
who was with John Phillip Law.
But I took it also because
434
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:10,524
it reminded me of my mother.
435
00:19:10,525 --> 00:19:12,860
And the role of the
farm wife was something
436
00:19:12,861 --> 00:19:15,529
that I knew from my grandmother
when I was growing up.
437
00:19:15,530 --> 00:19:18,283
And it was a good
experience in the end.
438
00:19:20,285 --> 00:19:23,788
Good afternoon. This
is the Barrow gang.
439
00:19:25,457 --> 00:19:27,958
Now, if everybody will just take
it easy, nobody will get hurt.
440
00:19:27,959 --> 00:19:29,168
"Bonnie and Clyde,"
441
00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:31,754
in its preparation and
in its preproduction,
442
00:19:31,755 --> 00:19:34,298
was really a kind of men's club.
443
00:19:34,299 --> 00:19:37,343
It was written by Robert
Benton and David Newman.
444
00:19:37,344 --> 00:19:38,802
Arthur Penn was the director.
445
00:19:38,803 --> 00:19:42,639
Warren Beatty was the
star, but also the producer
446
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,352
and the kind of driving force
in wanting to get it made.
447
00:19:46,353 --> 00:19:48,854
But, they waited to cast
448
00:19:48,855 --> 00:19:50,731
quote-unquote "the girl."
449
00:19:50,732 --> 00:19:52,150
Who's the girl gonna be?
450
00:19:57,822 --> 00:20:01,325
I went to the Beverly
Wilshire Hotel in Los Angeles
451
00:20:01,326 --> 00:20:03,160
‘cause that's where
Warren had a suite
452
00:20:03,161 --> 00:20:05,037
in the very top of the hotel,
453
00:20:05,038 --> 00:20:08,499
and Arthur Penn was there. And
we auditioned in the suite,
454
00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:11,502
and I read some scenes
of "Bonnie and Clyde."
455
00:20:11,503 --> 00:20:15,381
And Arthur basically said
he wanted me to do it.
456
00:20:15,382 --> 00:20:17,007
Warren was less sure,
457
00:20:17,008 --> 00:20:19,968
but, in the end, Arthur Penn
committed himself to me.
458
00:20:19,969 --> 00:20:22,763
He actually told Warren
that if I didn't play it,
459
00:20:22,764 --> 00:20:24,390
he wasn't gonna do it.
460
00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,309
It was Penn who insisted
on Faye Dunaway.
461
00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:31,897
Although the other actresses
being considered included
462
00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:34,400
Jane Fonda, Tuesday Weld,
463
00:20:34,401 --> 00:20:36,652
Natalie Wood, Leslie Caron,
464
00:20:36,653 --> 00:20:40,197
and, my, my, the film
would've been different
465
00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:42,533
with any of the other actresses
466
00:20:42,534 --> 00:20:44,868
because of a special sensibility
467
00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:47,663
that Faye Dunaway
brought to that part.
468
00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:48,997
I mean, I was a Southerner.
469
00:20:48,998 --> 00:20:51,375
You know, I mean, you
saw in "Bonnie and Clyde"
470
00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:53,210
that I was home free.
471
00:20:53,211 --> 00:20:54,753
And the accent is a part of it.
472
00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:57,214
Oh, big Clyde Barrow!
473
00:20:57,215 --> 00:20:58,382
You're just like your brother!
474
00:20:58,383 --> 00:21:01,051
- Uh-huh!
- Ignorant, uneducated hillbilly!
475
00:21:01,052 --> 00:21:02,720
Listen, the only
special thing about you
476
00:21:02,721 --> 00:21:04,930
is your peculiar ideas
about love-makin',
477
00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:07,058
which is no love-makin' at all!
478
00:21:07,392 --> 00:21:08,809
"Bonnie and Clyde,"
479
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:11,103
the studios didn't like it.
They didn't wanna show it.
480
00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,355
And Warren, at one point,
481
00:21:13,356 --> 00:21:15,232
in Warren's inimitable way,
482
00:21:15,233 --> 00:21:16,900
laid right down on
the floor and says,
483
00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:18,444
"Sell me the picture."
484
00:21:18,445 --> 00:21:20,529
And they said, "Oh, get
up from the floor, kid.
485
00:21:20,530 --> 00:21:22,322
Get... What are you
talk... Get up."
486
00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:23,907
And he didn't. He just
stood there, said,
487
00:21:23,908 --> 00:21:27,286
"Sell me the picture. I'll be
back with a check this afternoon."
488
00:21:27,287 --> 00:21:30,414
He left. Well, you know,
they then are saying,
489
00:21:30,415 --> 00:21:32,249
"Oh, God, he showed it to Fox.
490
00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:34,209
"Or he showed it
to another studio.
491
00:21:34,210 --> 00:21:36,086
And they're
interested, and now..."
492
00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:37,714
So, it worked.
493
00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:42,259
"Bonnie and Clyde" came
out in the summer of 1967,
494
00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:43,761
but it took five or six months
495
00:21:43,762 --> 00:21:46,430
before the movie really
started to take off
496
00:21:46,431 --> 00:21:48,682
and be popular
across the country.
497
00:21:48,683 --> 00:21:50,476
And that was right at
this interesting moment
498
00:21:50,477 --> 00:21:53,979
when everything in old
Hollywood was falling apart.
499
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:57,941
The production code, which had
governed the content of movies
500
00:21:57,942 --> 00:22:01,820
for many decades, had
finally been dismantled.
501
00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:04,698
So, there was
suddenly this window
502
00:22:04,699 --> 00:22:08,118
when you could have
very adult movies.
503
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,287
But nobody, including the people
504
00:22:10,288 --> 00:22:11,622
who were making the movies,
505
00:22:11,623 --> 00:22:15,377
knew quite how far
those movies could go.
506
00:22:17,295 --> 00:22:20,172
With "Bonnie and Clyde,"
you got the sense that
507
00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:21,882
the Band-Aid had
been ripped off.
508
00:22:21,883 --> 00:22:23,676
All of a sudden, you saw...
509
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:27,304
anguish. Real anguish.
You heard about
510
00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:29,723
Clyde's sexual impotence.
511
00:22:29,724 --> 00:22:32,351
You saw her intensely frustrated
512
00:22:32,352 --> 00:22:34,228
and lonely,
513
00:22:34,229 --> 00:22:35,979
and her humanity validated.
514
00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:38,440
But also, her sadness,
515
00:22:38,441 --> 00:22:39,983
and that was not
something we'd seen before
516
00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:41,193
with that kind of frankness.
517
00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:43,821
How long did it take them to
shoot you up the way they did
518
00:22:43,822 --> 00:22:45,739
in, uh, in the end of
"Bonnie and Clyde"?
519
00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:47,116
Yeah, it was incredible.
520
00:22:47,117 --> 00:22:49,243
It took, um... I
think we did it...
521
00:22:49,244 --> 00:22:51,120
I think we did it
twice, on two days,
522
00:22:51,121 --> 00:22:53,455
and there were about four
cameras going on each one.
523
00:22:53,456 --> 00:22:54,499
That was incredible.
524
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,024
The shootout and the death scene
525
00:23:20,025 --> 00:23:24,695
was shocking, and part of
it was that you liked them.
526
00:23:24,696 --> 00:23:26,613
And it was echoing something
527
00:23:26,614 --> 00:23:28,532
that was going on
across the country.
528
00:23:28,533 --> 00:23:31,994
In '63, President
Kennedy was assassinated,
529
00:23:31,995 --> 00:23:35,372
and then a few years later,
his brother, Robert Kennedy,
530
00:23:35,373 --> 00:23:37,624
running for President,
was assassinated,
531
00:23:37,625 --> 00:23:40,502
and Martin Luther
King was assassinated.
532
00:23:40,503 --> 00:23:43,130
Those were also
incredibly turbulent times
533
00:23:43,131 --> 00:23:44,882
and very frightening
534
00:23:44,883 --> 00:23:46,759
because it just
felt like everything
535
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,762
that we had been told and
everything we had known
536
00:23:49,763 --> 00:23:52,181
was being turned upside down,
537
00:23:52,182 --> 00:23:55,684
and I think "Bonnie and Clyde,"
in this very seductive way,
538
00:23:55,685 --> 00:23:59,606
just brought that right
into the movie theater.
539
00:24:01,775 --> 00:24:04,318
This is Faye's
first time in Paris.
540
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:08,280
Will you tell us just shortly,
uh, your stage experience?
541
00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:10,407
Three years stage
experience in New York
542
00:24:10,408 --> 00:24:12,076
with the Lincoln Center
Repertory Company.
543
00:24:12,077 --> 00:24:14,244
Two years with that,
one year on Broadway.
544
00:24:14,245 --> 00:24:15,996
As a result of this fame
545
00:24:15,997 --> 00:24:17,706
that came as a result
of "Bonnie and Clyde,"
546
00:24:17,707 --> 00:24:19,875
it was a very frantic
and hectic time.
547
00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:23,629
I don't have anything against
fame, but it can be difficult
548
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:26,006
because you don't have a
lot of privacy sometimes.
549
00:24:26,007 --> 00:24:29,426
But, it's something that I
accept and am grateful for
550
00:24:29,427 --> 00:24:32,596
because there are
people who like my work.
551
00:24:32,597 --> 00:24:34,640
When one becomes successful,
it's an opportunity.
552
00:24:34,641 --> 00:24:37,434
- It's a freedom, really. Success is freedom.
- Yes, of course, it is.
553
00:24:37,435 --> 00:24:38,644
You can choose
what you wanna do.
554
00:24:38,645 --> 00:24:40,771
You can choose what's
most exciting for you.
555
00:24:40,772 --> 00:24:42,606
Bonnie and Clyde are
very big here in France,
556
00:24:42,607 --> 00:24:43,982
and they have been
for a long time,
557
00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:47,152
even though the film has
only just now arrived.
558
00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:50,864
The French have for months been
buying Bonnie and Clyde songs,
559
00:24:50,865 --> 00:24:53,826
neckties, hats, dresses,
car accessories.
560
00:24:53,827 --> 00:24:57,538
People came in costumes
of the American 1930s
561
00:24:57,539 --> 00:24:59,832
to see the Paris
premiere of the film
562
00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:03,544
and to see its stars, Faye
Dunaway and Warren Beatty.
563
00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:06,046
Her look, which really did spark
564
00:25:06,047 --> 00:25:08,298
a major fashion trend,
565
00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:10,134
was intentionally anachronistic.
566
00:25:10,135 --> 00:25:14,054
Because if you look at pictures
of the real Bonnie Parker,
567
00:25:14,055 --> 00:25:16,807
she did not look like
Faye Dunaway. And so,
568
00:25:16,808 --> 00:25:20,728
this was a highly
stylized, visually,
569
00:25:20,729 --> 00:25:23,063
highly romanticized version
570
00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:26,150
of Bonnie and Clyde,
which was appropriate
571
00:25:26,151 --> 00:25:29,403
because this is partly
a movie about celebrity
572
00:25:29,404 --> 00:25:30,988
and about seeking celebrity.
573
00:25:30,989 --> 00:25:33,574
And that part of
the story is true.
574
00:25:33,575 --> 00:25:36,660
Come on, smile. Hey...
575
00:25:36,661 --> 00:25:39,038
The look for Bonnie
was established
576
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:40,914
by Theadora Van Runkle.
577
00:25:40,915 --> 00:25:43,500
She was a great friend of
mine for many, many years,
578
00:25:43,501 --> 00:25:46,003
and she was a divine
costume designer.
579
00:25:46,004 --> 00:25:49,173
And so, after Bonnie, she
did "Thomas Crown" for me,
580
00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:52,926
with these very short
miniskirts and ruffly things.
581
00:25:52,927 --> 00:25:55,220
And this woman, very
feminine, but very aggressive.
582
00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:57,514
Alright, Eddy! I'm immoral!
583
00:25:57,515 --> 00:26:00,517
So is the world! I'm
here for the money, okay?
584
00:26:00,518 --> 00:26:02,311
My character was a
private investigator,
585
00:26:02,312 --> 00:26:03,854
and she was a dresser.
586
00:26:03,855 --> 00:26:06,690
She did these incredible looks
every time she was in public,
587
00:26:06,691 --> 00:26:08,609
and that was just
the choice we made.
588
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:09,860
In a lot of my films,
589
00:26:09,861 --> 00:26:12,363
the clothes have
created statements.
590
00:26:12,364 --> 00:26:14,199
I know what I am.
591
00:26:15,658 --> 00:26:17,993
Don't put your
labels on me, Eddy.
592
00:26:17,994 --> 00:26:19,912
The story of "The
Thomas Crown Affair"
593
00:26:19,913 --> 00:26:23,207
is about Thomas Crown,
played by Steve McQueen,
594
00:26:23,208 --> 00:26:26,001
and he has these guys rob
a bank, and, of course,
595
00:26:26,002 --> 00:26:28,629
it's the quote-unquote
"perfect crime."
596
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:30,839
And the insurance company,
597
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,634
they send this high-powered
insurance investigator
598
00:26:33,635 --> 00:26:35,344
to help the Boston Police.
599
00:26:35,345 --> 00:26:39,515
And that insurance
investigator is Faye Dunaway,
600
00:26:39,516 --> 00:26:42,309
Vicki, and, of course,
601
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:45,896
they both are very intrigued
by each other to put it mildly.
602
00:26:45,897 --> 00:26:47,398
Whose head are you after?
603
00:26:47,399 --> 00:26:49,275
- Yours.
- Mine?
604
00:26:50,443 --> 00:26:51,903
Yours.
605
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:56,615
She's very much of the moment.
606
00:26:56,616 --> 00:26:57,991
It's the '60s.
607
00:26:57,992 --> 00:27:00,828
The women's movement is
coming into the forefront,
608
00:27:00,829 --> 00:27:02,830
so she's this independent woman
609
00:27:02,831 --> 00:27:06,542
who was so cool and
so self-possessed.
610
00:27:06,543 --> 00:27:10,004
Nobody who's ever
seen that movie
611
00:27:10,005 --> 00:27:12,965
would argue that
perhaps the chess game
612
00:27:12,966 --> 00:27:16,010
is the most erotic piece
of filmmaking ever made.
613
00:27:16,011 --> 00:27:17,137
Do you play?
614
00:27:20,432 --> 00:27:22,266
Try me.
615
00:27:22,267 --> 00:27:23,601
And there's not a word spoken!
616
00:27:24,185 --> 00:27:28,313
It's just chess moves.
It's fingers. It's looks.
617
00:27:28,314 --> 00:27:29,648
It's a chess game!
618
00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:32,276
But, she and Steve McQueen,
619
00:27:32,277 --> 00:27:35,237
they play it so well
that it is a silent game,
620
00:27:35,238 --> 00:27:37,531
and it's all in the looks,
621
00:27:37,532 --> 00:27:38,949
and, boy, does that work.
622
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:40,576
And you know she's in control.
623
00:27:40,577 --> 00:27:42,287
Check.
624
00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:46,081
He and I had a wonderful
chemistry, actually,
625
00:27:46,082 --> 00:27:47,624
because he was an
actor for sure,
626
00:27:47,625 --> 00:27:49,209
but he was also Steve.
627
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:52,296
He had a persona that was
something that defined him
628
00:27:52,297 --> 00:27:55,299
perhaps more than this
quote-unquote "acting."
629
00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:57,718
There's a story
that Steve McQueen
630
00:27:57,719 --> 00:27:59,845
disparagingly referred to her
631
00:27:59,846 --> 00:28:02,556
either as Dun-fadeaway
632
00:28:02,557 --> 00:28:04,266
or Fadin'-away.
633
00:28:04,267 --> 00:28:05,434
Because she was thin.
634
00:28:05,435 --> 00:28:08,812
She was, like, disappearing
and losing weight.
635
00:28:08,813 --> 00:28:12,817
There's a big demand that
you be very, very, very thin.
636
00:28:14,152 --> 00:28:16,653
And that you fit everything.
And that you look great.
637
00:28:16,654 --> 00:28:19,573
And you get a half
an hour for lunch,
638
00:28:19,574 --> 00:28:21,200
from the time they break,
639
00:28:21,201 --> 00:28:25,788
to you eat, go to the
toilet, brush your teeth,
640
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:27,331
and get back on set.
641
00:28:27,332 --> 00:28:29,958
Absolutely, there is much
more pressure on a woman.
642
00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:32,002
The clothes are very demanding.
643
00:28:32,003 --> 00:28:34,171
But, you're going at such a pace
644
00:28:34,172 --> 00:28:36,340
you don't have time
to eat very much.
645
00:28:36,341 --> 00:28:39,051
Sharon Stone: In truth,
you just don't get to eat
646
00:28:39,052 --> 00:28:41,512
three healthy meals a
day and fit the clothes
647
00:28:41,513 --> 00:28:42,930
that come off the runway.
648
00:28:42,931 --> 00:28:46,434
You just really don't.
And Faye and I know that.
649
00:28:47,894 --> 00:28:49,353
All the great photographers
photograph Faye
650
00:28:49,354 --> 00:28:51,939
'cause she is a fashion icon.
651
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:55,401
Jerry Schatzberg, of course,
photographed Faye beautifully.
652
00:28:55,402 --> 00:28:57,653
They were an item in the '60s,
653
00:28:57,654 --> 00:28:59,738
and are still great friends.
654
00:28:59,739 --> 00:29:01,824
And he's a formidable
photographer
655
00:29:01,825 --> 00:29:03,826
as well as director himself.
656
00:29:03,827 --> 00:29:06,078
I got a call from "Esquire,"
657
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:11,166
and they said they would like
me to photograph a new actress.
658
00:29:11,167 --> 00:29:13,168
And I was really
happy to meet Faye,
659
00:29:13,169 --> 00:29:15,546
and we did some
wonderful photographs.
660
00:29:15,547 --> 00:29:18,298
In the middle of the
shoot, she started crying.
661
00:29:18,299 --> 00:29:21,301
And I thought maybe
I had said something,
662
00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:23,387
but I couldn't
really tell at first.
663
00:29:23,388 --> 00:29:25,681
I don't know. I think
probably I wanted
664
00:29:25,682 --> 00:29:28,892
to have a vulnerability
for these stills
665
00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:32,146
and, you know, you think of
something that is sad for you
666
00:29:32,147 --> 00:29:33,772
and makes you cry.
667
00:29:33,773 --> 00:29:37,276
Life is emotional, and
it's easy to tap into that.
668
00:29:37,277 --> 00:29:39,653
The lunches we had
led to dinners,
669
00:29:39,654 --> 00:29:42,322
and we just liked
talking to one another.
670
00:29:42,323 --> 00:29:43,782
We started spending time.
671
00:29:43,783 --> 00:29:45,909
After a while, she knew
672
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:49,580
that I was aiming to
get into making films,
673
00:29:49,581 --> 00:29:51,165
and she started
asking me questions
674
00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:53,417
about the film I was
working on. And that's how
675
00:29:53,418 --> 00:29:56,045
we got started with "Puzzle
of a Downfall Child."
676
00:29:56,046 --> 00:30:00,841
Would you want to take a
picture of me now, as I am?
677
00:30:00,842 --> 00:30:02,968
Well, uh, I didn't
bring my camera.
678
00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:06,638
No, but you would not
because I am imperfect!
679
00:30:06,639 --> 00:30:09,725
I... My makeup has worn
off, I look horrible.
680
00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:11,018
You know you look
wonderful though,
681
00:30:11,019 --> 00:30:13,562
so you should stop knocking
yourself down like that.
682
00:30:13,563 --> 00:30:15,272
I was in a play called "Huey,"
683
00:30:15,273 --> 00:30:18,400
and Jerry saw me on that
and thought I would be good
684
00:30:18,401 --> 00:30:21,070
for the role. But, of
course, he checked with Faye,
685
00:30:21,071 --> 00:30:24,073
and Faye said, "Yeah, well
sure. That'd be great."
686
00:30:24,074 --> 00:30:27,034
And Faye was so
gorgeous in the film,
687
00:30:27,035 --> 00:30:29,661
and it appealed to her
688
00:30:29,662 --> 00:30:31,121
because it was another
side of herself.
689
00:30:31,122 --> 00:30:32,998
You know, couldn't think
of anything more different
690
00:30:32,999 --> 00:30:35,042
than Bonnie in this part.
691
00:30:35,043 --> 00:30:38,295
The character was
Lou Andreas Sand,
692
00:30:38,296 --> 00:30:41,465
but it was based on a model
by the name of Anne St. Marie.
693
00:30:41,466 --> 00:30:45,344
And she was a top, top
model. Just owned the city.
694
00:30:45,345 --> 00:30:47,513
And Jerry's photographed
her many times.
695
00:30:47,514 --> 00:30:50,057
She kept a list of photographers
she didn't like anymore,
696
00:30:50,058 --> 00:30:51,850
and she would say that she
wouldn't work for them.
697
00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:55,020
The camera gives
you 15, 20 pounds.
698
00:30:55,021 --> 00:30:59,233
Thin as you are, may I suggest
you drop five or seven pounds.
699
00:30:59,234 --> 00:31:00,275
Five or seven.
700
00:31:00,276 --> 00:31:02,528
Certainly, the
character based on Anne
701
00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:06,490
was very tortured by
relationships in the past,
702
00:31:06,491 --> 00:31:08,784
and she had a lot of
darkness in her as well.
703
00:31:08,785 --> 00:31:10,661
And, you know, it's
a difficult thing,
704
00:31:10,662 --> 00:31:11,995
sometimes I would think,
705
00:31:11,996 --> 00:31:13,872
coming to terms
with being a model,
706
00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:15,499
because her whole
career was based on
707
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,043
how she looked through
a lens, a camera.
708
00:31:18,044 --> 00:31:21,046
So, that was something
that was very akin
709
00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:24,258
to what I experienced as
an actress in, in film.
710
00:31:24,259 --> 00:31:27,970
I'm not adding up to
anything, am I, Aaron?
711
00:31:27,971 --> 00:31:30,681
I'm not making any
sense, am I? It won't...
712
00:31:30,682 --> 00:31:31,932
Yes, you are.
713
00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:35,602
As a matter of fact,
there was a period of time
714
00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:37,313
when you weren't doing too well.
715
00:31:37,689 --> 00:31:38,982
Was that when you were ill?
716
00:31:39,399 --> 00:31:41,692
I was able to relate
to this character.
717
00:31:41,693 --> 00:31:42,776
I mean, who was it who said
718
00:31:42,777 --> 00:31:44,236
I walked around in
a cloud of drama?
719
00:31:44,237 --> 00:31:46,321
I think it was Kazan.
720
00:31:46,322 --> 00:31:48,365
That you never know
what's gonna happen next.
721
00:31:48,366 --> 00:31:51,952
It could be true, and I
was... had periods, you know,
722
00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:55,039
where I was very depressed
and I was very moody
723
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,708
and actually have,
we might as well say,
724
00:31:57,709 --> 00:31:59,836
a bipolar diagnosis.
725
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:02,713
It's a very real
thing. It's bipolar.
726
00:32:02,714 --> 00:32:04,214
It's manic depressive
727
00:32:04,215 --> 00:32:06,383
is another name
for this illness.
728
00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:10,471
And it's an imbalance,
a biological imbalance.
729
00:32:10,472 --> 00:32:13,182
You can be up high,
you can be manic,
730
00:32:13,183 --> 00:32:14,892
you can be very depressed
is the other place to be.
731
00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:17,019
So, I do have mood
swings, up and down.
732
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,396
And it was happening
early on as well, I think.
733
00:32:19,397 --> 00:32:21,607
And they only
became more evident
734
00:32:21,608 --> 00:32:23,901
as I grew later in my life.
735
00:32:23,902 --> 00:32:25,904
Will you stop angering me?
736
00:32:27,572 --> 00:32:29,656
My mom always had
depression issues,
737
00:32:29,657 --> 00:32:30,991
bipolar issues,
738
00:32:30,992 --> 00:32:34,161
but it wasn't until a
couple of years ago,
739
00:32:34,162 --> 00:32:37,039
where I had watched my mom go
through, like, really hard,
740
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,667
hard times and hit rock bottom.
741
00:32:39,668 --> 00:32:41,919
So, I kind of got to the point
where I said, "Hey, listen,
742
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,171
like, let's get you to
this clinic in Boston,"
743
00:32:44,172 --> 00:32:46,507
where she went to
lectures and classes,
744
00:32:46,508 --> 00:32:48,967
and they got her
on the right stuff,
745
00:32:48,968 --> 00:32:51,095
and she came out like
a whole new person.
746
00:32:51,096 --> 00:32:53,138
I worked with a group of doctors
747
00:32:53,139 --> 00:32:56,141
who analyzed my behavior,
and who, who gave me
748
00:32:56,142 --> 00:32:57,559
prescriptions for pills
749
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,061
that they thought
would be good for me,
750
00:32:59,062 --> 00:33:01,605
and they have helped.
So, I am quieter,
751
00:33:01,606 --> 00:33:02,981
but throughout my career,
752
00:33:02,982 --> 00:33:05,401
people know that there
were tough times.
753
00:33:05,402 --> 00:33:07,111
But I don't need to
make an excuse about it.
754
00:33:07,112 --> 00:33:09,446
I'm still responsible
for my actions.
755
00:33:09,447 --> 00:33:11,782
But this is what I
came to understand
756
00:33:11,783 --> 00:33:14,118
was the reason for
them. It's something
757
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,537
you need to be aware
of, and you need to try
758
00:33:16,538 --> 00:33:19,540
to do the right thing
to take care of it.
759
00:33:19,541 --> 00:33:21,709
Unfortunately,
760
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:25,630
something happened in her
life that then, uh, we, uh,
761
00:33:26,673 --> 00:33:27,840
had to break up.
762
00:33:27,841 --> 00:33:30,968
Well, I went over to
Italy, and I did a film
763
00:33:30,969 --> 00:33:32,469
with Mastroianni,
764
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:34,805
and, uh, I did fall
in love with him,
765
00:33:34,806 --> 00:33:38,100
and we had a relationship
for a couple of years.
766
00:33:38,101 --> 00:33:40,477
I would say if I'm
gonna lose somebody,
767
00:33:40,478 --> 00:33:42,479
it might as well be to
Marcello Mastroianni.
768
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,357
I got the feeling
I'm a part of a plan.
769
00:33:45,358 --> 00:33:48,110
I come out all alone.
770
00:33:48,111 --> 00:33:50,822
But it's nice, anyway.
I don't say it isn't.
771
00:33:51,322 --> 00:33:53,615
Marcello Mastroianni,
772
00:33:53,616 --> 00:33:54,825
well, he was the king of Europe.
773
00:33:54,826 --> 00:33:58,537
He was the most
famous actor in Italy.
774
00:33:58,538 --> 00:34:00,290
Are you married?
775
00:34:02,459 --> 00:34:05,419
Just about.
776
00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:08,506
Is she in Milan? Do
you live together?
777
00:34:09,591 --> 00:34:11,008
Yes, for a while now.
778
00:34:11,009 --> 00:34:12,760
And, you know, we were together,
779
00:34:12,761 --> 00:34:14,345
but he was married,
780
00:34:14,346 --> 00:34:17,639
and it's tricky because in a
Catholic country like Italy,
781
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,184
you couldn't have divorce.
782
00:34:20,185 --> 00:34:22,478
So, it had to be
backstreet. And I really...
783
00:34:22,479 --> 00:34:24,229
Foolish girl.
784
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:26,190
I really kinda got
into it for a while,
785
00:34:26,191 --> 00:34:28,192
I mean, because he
meant so much to me.
786
00:34:28,193 --> 00:34:31,737
I would fly into
Fiumicino with a brown wig
787
00:34:31,738 --> 00:34:35,324
and go to a place where we
had a person arranging things.
788
00:34:35,325 --> 00:34:37,326
I mean, it was all
very, you know,
789
00:34:37,327 --> 00:34:39,495
romantic and illusional.
790
00:34:39,496 --> 00:34:42,081
Delusional perhaps.
791
00:34:42,082 --> 00:34:43,875
It’s hard to say. You're young
792
00:34:44,209 --> 00:34:47,711
and there are interesting
people that you meet.
793
00:34:47,712 --> 00:34:51,091
And so, that was certainly
the case with him.
794
00:34:51,758 --> 00:34:52,883
That was the way it was.
795
00:34:52,884 --> 00:34:54,802
And then, finally,
it was too much.
796
00:34:54,803 --> 00:34:56,220
Finally, I was
ready to leave it.
797
00:34:56,221 --> 00:35:00,015
Marcello Mastroianni was
quoted in a woman's magazine,
798
00:35:00,016 --> 00:35:02,726
saying the most extraordinary
things about you.
799
00:35:02,727 --> 00:35:03,852
The most complimentary.
800
00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:06,730
The most fantastic woman
he's ever known in his life.
801
00:35:06,731 --> 00:35:09,566
Well, I think that's very nice.
802
00:35:09,567 --> 00:35:11,694
I don't know, that's a
whole other can of peas.
803
00:35:11,695 --> 00:35:13,946
- That you'd rather not open up.
- I think not.
804
00:35:13,947 --> 00:35:15,364
Ah. Are you sad though
805
00:35:15,365 --> 00:35:17,741
with the, the breakup
of that relationship?
806
00:35:17,742 --> 00:35:19,576
No, I'm not at all.
807
00:35:19,577 --> 00:35:21,245
And, uh... I mean, I am,
808
00:35:21,246 --> 00:35:23,205
you know, in certain, certain...
809
00:35:23,206 --> 00:35:25,249
Yes. Yes and no. I'm not...
810
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:26,959
Things happen as
they happen, I think.
811
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,670
I do have some kind of...
812
00:35:29,421 --> 00:35:32,339
belief that it was...
what happened was right
813
00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:34,925
and necessary for
him, as well as me.
814
00:35:34,926 --> 00:35:36,969
He made a bit of a
furor there for a while,
815
00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:38,429
but I don't think it was...
816
00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:40,347
I think he's very well
now, and I think, you know,
817
00:35:40,348 --> 00:35:42,683
we-we gained from
it. Whatever it was.
818
00:35:42,684 --> 00:35:44,602
And that's all I'm
gonna tell you.
819
00:35:45,603 --> 00:35:48,522
I've got sort of two-year
sequences in my life,
820
00:35:48,523 --> 00:35:51,233
and I think that definitely
dates back to the time
821
00:35:51,234 --> 00:35:53,610
when we were traveling
with my father in the Army.
822
00:35:53,611 --> 00:35:56,155
Every two years, you know,
you had to pick up and go.
823
00:35:56,156 --> 00:35:58,283
You had to leave the
friends that were there.
824
00:35:58,783 --> 00:36:02,369
And I think I learned not
to be too close to people
825
00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:05,080
because you're gonna
lose them anyway.
826
00:36:05,081 --> 00:36:06,957
So, you may as well move away.
827
00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:08,459
There's going to be an end,
828
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:11,045
and the end, I think,
was very painful for me.
829
00:36:11,046 --> 00:36:14,757
And now, I think I... that still
is part of my life that way.
830
00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:17,384
And I think that was a pattern
that was set up very early,
831
00:36:17,385 --> 00:36:19,136
and I noticed in
my relationships
832
00:36:19,137 --> 00:36:21,764
they lasted about two years.
833
00:36:21,765 --> 00:36:23,640
You know, I could've
still been with Marcello.
834
00:36:23,641 --> 00:36:26,060
In many ways, he was
the love of my life.
835
00:36:26,061 --> 00:36:28,270
And also, I've always
been about work.
836
00:36:28,271 --> 00:36:30,981
I need my work.
It fulfills me.
837
00:36:30,982 --> 00:36:33,108
It makes me feel
good about myself.
838
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:35,152
And I feel a sense
of my own strength,
839
00:36:35,153 --> 00:36:38,614
and I feel I can
achieve something.
840
00:36:38,615 --> 00:36:39,782
So, to me, what I
need is my work.
841
00:36:39,783 --> 00:36:42,326
I don't need, necessarily,
another person.
842
00:36:42,327 --> 00:36:43,827
But I know it's wrong.
843
00:36:43,828 --> 00:36:47,081
I know one should have
other people in one's life.
844
00:36:47,082 --> 00:36:48,999
But, work was the thing
I could always turn to.
845
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,250
It was the thing that
never let me down.
846
00:36:50,251 --> 00:36:52,545
It was what I did,
and it was solid.
847
00:36:53,254 --> 00:36:56,840
I don't see anyone for
very long, Mr. Gittes.
848
00:36:56,841 --> 00:36:58,968
It's difficult for me.
849
00:36:59,969 --> 00:37:01,345
On "Chinatown,"
850
00:37:01,346 --> 00:37:03,681
I was told to call Faye
851
00:37:03,682 --> 00:37:08,102
to come out from New York to
LA to do wardrobe fittings.
852
00:37:08,103 --> 00:37:10,854
And I said, "Hi, Miss
Dunaway. I'm Howard Koch,
853
00:37:10,855 --> 00:37:13,482
"and I'm the first assistant
director on the movie.
854
00:37:13,483 --> 00:37:16,235
"And just calling you
to say that, you know,
855
00:37:16,236 --> 00:37:19,655
we need you out here next
week. We'll fly you out."
856
00:37:19,656 --> 00:37:21,073
And then she said to me,
857
00:37:21,074 --> 00:37:22,617
"You're Sagittarius,
aren't you?"
858
00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:24,536
"Uh, yes."
859
00:37:24,537 --> 00:37:26,537
She said, "Oh, we
won't get along."
860
00:37:26,538 --> 00:37:29,748
Whoa.
861
00:37:29,749 --> 00:37:31,375
Okay.
862
00:37:31,376 --> 00:37:33,419
So, that was my
introduction to Faye.
863
00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:36,046
You see, I'm Mrs.
Evelyn Mulwray.
864
00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:37,716
You know, Mr. Mulwray's wife?
865
00:37:38,466 --> 00:37:41,844
Not, uh, that Mulwray?
866
00:37:41,845 --> 00:37:44,596
Yes, Mr. Gittes, that Mulwray.
867
00:37:44,597 --> 00:37:47,599
What reputation did
she have at that point?
868
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,018
That she was difficult.
869
00:37:49,019 --> 00:37:51,937
Faye was difficult but serious,
and a terrific actress.
870
00:37:51,938 --> 00:37:53,105
That's the reputation.
871
00:37:53,106 --> 00:37:54,815
There's no point in
gettin' tough with me...
872
00:37:54,816 --> 00:37:57,818
I don't get tough with
anyone, Mr. Gittes.
873
00:37:57,819 --> 00:37:59,195
My lawyer does.
874
00:38:00,822 --> 00:38:05,200
"Chinatown" is a film
noir detective story,
875
00:38:05,201 --> 00:38:07,578
and then it becomes
something so much deeper.
876
00:38:07,579 --> 00:38:10,456
It's a story about
large-scale corruption
877
00:38:10,457 --> 00:38:13,417
in a business-type sense,
and more importantly,
878
00:38:13,418 --> 00:38:15,544
familial corruption.
879
00:38:15,545 --> 00:38:21,342
The kind of horrors that people
in power do to the powerless.
880
00:38:21,343 --> 00:38:23,594
And at the time, again,
881
00:38:23,595 --> 00:38:26,930
it was tied into the things
going on in the larger world.
882
00:38:26,931 --> 00:38:28,640
People have gotta know
883
00:38:28,641 --> 00:38:31,018
whether or not their
president is a crook.
884
00:38:31,019 --> 00:38:32,436
Well, I'm not a crook.
885
00:38:32,437 --> 00:38:34,104
You see, it all happened at
886
00:38:34,105 --> 00:38:35,397
the beginning of the Watergate.
887
00:38:35,398 --> 00:38:37,608
When I came here,
it all started.
888
00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:40,778
And during those eight
weeks, we were bombarded
889
00:38:40,779 --> 00:38:44,656
by all news media with
what was going on.
890
00:38:44,657 --> 00:38:47,159
And the parallels
were so obvious
891
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,994
that it obviously inspired us
892
00:38:48,995 --> 00:38:51,080
to go more even
in this direction
893
00:38:51,081 --> 00:38:53,832
and try to dig
into certain things
894
00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:56,794
that had to do with Los
Angeles and its history.
895
00:38:56,795 --> 00:38:59,296
They're blowin' these
farmers outta their land
896
00:38:59,297 --> 00:39:00,506
and then pickin'
it up for peanuts.
897
00:39:00,507 --> 00:39:02,883
You have any idea what
this land would be worth
898
00:39:02,884 --> 00:39:04,843
with a steady water supply?
899
00:39:04,844 --> 00:39:07,888
About 30 million more
than they paid for it.
900
00:39:07,889 --> 00:39:11,600
It felt like everything you
thought was right was wrong,
901
00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:14,812
and everything you thought
was moral was immoral.
902
00:39:14,813 --> 00:39:19,776
And that feels even more
powerful and more relevant.
903
00:39:21,861 --> 00:39:23,654
It was a mysterious woman, too,
904
00:39:23,655 --> 00:39:25,197
which is fun to
play, first of all,
905
00:39:25,198 --> 00:39:27,491
because I have to know what
she's thinking all the time,
906
00:39:27,492 --> 00:39:30,285
and that particular
character nobody else knew
907
00:39:30,286 --> 00:39:31,495
what she was thinking,
908
00:39:31,496 --> 00:39:33,872
so that they easily
misconstru... mis-misconstrued
909
00:39:33,873 --> 00:39:36,458
- what she was saying or doing.
- David Sheehan: Yeah, yeah.
910
00:39:36,459 --> 00:39:38,836
As did Gittes, the
Nicholson character.
911
00:39:38,837 --> 00:39:41,715
You've already got one
going, Mrs. Mulwray.
912
00:39:42,632 --> 00:39:45,300
- Oh.
- Does, uh, my talking
913
00:39:45,301 --> 00:39:47,636
about your father upset you?
914
00:39:47,637 --> 00:39:49,847
Why, no.
915
00:39:49,848 --> 00:39:53,852
Yes. A little. You
see, Hollis and my f...
916
00:39:55,687 --> 00:39:59,607
my father had, um, a
falling out, finally.
917
00:40:00,233 --> 00:40:03,861
Evelyn Mulwray was dynamite.
She was a great character.
918
00:40:03,862 --> 00:40:05,779
You know, Roman Polanski
did a good movie.
919
00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:07,740
We had difficult
times, he and I,
920
00:40:07,741 --> 00:40:10,035
but he's a great film director.
921
00:40:12,662 --> 00:40:14,788
There you go.
922
00:40:14,789 --> 00:40:17,875
That's Polanski and
me in "Chinatown."
923
00:40:17,876 --> 00:40:19,418
Roman the Terror.
924
00:40:19,419 --> 00:40:21,086
But he thought I
was a terror also,
925
00:40:21,087 --> 00:40:25,299
I'm sure, so... We had a
pretty complicated time.
926
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:26,717
Jack helped, though.
927
00:40:26,718 --> 00:40:29,179
Nicholson being there
made all the difference.
928
00:40:29,637 --> 00:40:31,722
For this particular movie,
929
00:40:31,723 --> 00:40:35,059
it was all about the hair,
the makeup, the dress,
930
00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:36,935
the whole thing of Mrs. Mulwray,
931
00:40:36,936 --> 00:40:40,731
and she made it difficult
on all of us because...
932
00:40:40,732 --> 00:40:42,858
and I'm sure you've
heard about Blistex.
933
00:40:42,859 --> 00:40:45,486
When did you discover Blistex?
934
00:40:45,487 --> 00:40:48,030
On my lips, I can't
speak without it.
935
00:40:48,031 --> 00:40:50,199
Lee Harman, who was
our great makeup man,
936
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,368
had a tube of Blistex.
937
00:40:52,369 --> 00:40:53,535
And between every shot,
938
00:40:53,536 --> 00:40:56,080
he'd have to put
Blistex on her lips.
939
00:40:56,081 --> 00:40:57,623
It was her security blanket.
940
00:40:57,624 --> 00:40:59,792
But, for Roman and
for the rest of us...
941
00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:02,419
Oy vey, what a pain in the ass.
942
00:41:02,420 --> 00:41:04,755
‘Cause it took time,
943
00:41:04,756 --> 00:41:06,633
and you wanna keep it rolling.
944
00:41:09,094 --> 00:41:11,845
I remember this one time,
we're shooting in a restaurant
945
00:41:11,846 --> 00:41:13,347
called the Windsor Restaurant.
946
00:41:13,348 --> 00:41:15,557
It's a two-shot
of Faye and Jack,
947
00:41:15,558 --> 00:41:18,435
and, originally, she
didn't have the hat on.
948
00:41:18,436 --> 00:41:20,354
So, as we're about to shoot,
949
00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:22,940
one hair on Faye's head
950
00:41:22,941 --> 00:41:24,400
just stuck up.
951
00:41:24,401 --> 00:41:26,902
So, Roman said, "Faye!
Faye, you have one hair!
952
00:41:26,903 --> 00:41:29,697
Can you just, you
know, just..."
953
00:41:29,698 --> 00:41:32,199
And Faye went, "Okay,
okay," and put it down.
954
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,369
And I said, "Okay, ready,
and..." And the hair popped up.
955
00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:36,995
It was a very tense moment
956
00:41:36,996 --> 00:41:39,456
and, you know, my hair
was deeply marcelled,
957
00:41:39,457 --> 00:41:41,667
which means they have
to force it into waves.
958
00:41:41,668 --> 00:41:43,419
And I have naturally curly hair,
959
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:44,628
so my hair doesn't wanna do
960
00:41:44,629 --> 00:41:46,463
what another person
tells it to do.
961
00:41:46,464 --> 00:41:48,048
And there was a
hair sticking up.
962
00:41:48,049 --> 00:41:50,968
Susie Germaine, the
hairdresser, she comes in...
963
00:41:50,969 --> 00:41:53,637
with the spray. Get it down.
964
00:41:53,638 --> 00:41:55,639
"Okay, ready, and..."
965
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,433
The hair pops up again.
966
00:41:57,434 --> 00:42:01,145
Roman literally walks around
967
00:42:01,146 --> 00:42:03,439
and pulls the hair
968
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,274
out of Faye's head.
969
00:42:05,275 --> 00:42:06,525
I've been around a long time.
970
00:42:06,526 --> 00:42:08,527
Even then, I had been
around a long time.
971
00:42:08,528 --> 00:42:10,154
I never heard some
of those words.
972
00:42:10,155 --> 00:42:13,115
That's enough to set off
the manic depression.
973
00:42:13,116 --> 00:42:15,117
I just... I said... I...
974
00:42:15,118 --> 00:42:17,244
Well, it was offensive.
You don't do that.
975
00:42:17,245 --> 00:42:21,166
So, I went to my trailer,
and it was a whole situation.
976
00:42:21,583 --> 00:42:24,001
Finally, we got her
back to the set,
977
00:42:24,002 --> 00:42:26,463
but Anthea Sylbert,
costume designer,
978
00:42:26,755 --> 00:42:28,881
put a hat on her.
979
00:42:28,882 --> 00:42:32,676
So, we started the scene over,
and she shot it with a hat on,
980
00:42:32,677 --> 00:42:35,096
so we didn't have to worry
about the hair popping up.
981
00:42:35,972 --> 00:42:37,223
Now,
982
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,226
I think you know all
you need know about me.
983
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:43,479
I didn't want publicity.
I didn't want to go into
984
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,982
any of this, then or now.
985
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:47,900
Is that all?
986
00:42:48,026 --> 00:42:50,652
After that hair incident,
Jack nicknamed me.
987
00:42:50,653 --> 00:42:52,988
"Dread," he called me.
The Dreaded Dunaway
988
00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:54,365
was his name for me.
989
00:42:54,366 --> 00:42:56,367
He still to this
day calls me Dread.
990
00:42:56,368 --> 00:42:57,451
And I love it.
991
00:42:57,452 --> 00:42:58,911
Now I wanna know how it happened
992
00:42:58,912 --> 00:43:01,663
and I wanna know why and I wanna
know before Escobar gets here
993
00:43:01,664 --> 00:43:03,666
because I don't wanna
lose my license.
994
00:43:03,667 --> 00:43:05,834
I don't know what you
are talking about.
995
00:43:05,835 --> 00:43:07,711
Th-This is the craziest,
the most insane...
996
00:43:07,712 --> 00:43:09,088
Stop it!
997
00:43:09,089 --> 00:43:10,714
One of the most shocking scenes
998
00:43:10,715 --> 00:43:14,510
was the moment of revelation
that Evelyn Mulwray
999
00:43:14,511 --> 00:43:17,054
had, in fact, been
raped by her own father,
1000
00:43:17,055 --> 00:43:21,183
and a child from that
relationship was her daughter
1001
00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:22,476
and her sister.
1002
00:43:22,477 --> 00:43:24,187
What's her name?
1003
00:43:25,772 --> 00:43:27,523
Katherine.
1004
00:43:27,524 --> 00:43:29,025
Katherine who?
1005
00:43:31,236 --> 00:43:32,821
She's my daughter.
1006
00:43:33,697 --> 00:43:35,197
I said I want the truth!
1007
00:43:35,198 --> 00:43:37,574
What we do in movies
is we usually do that
1008
00:43:37,575 --> 00:43:38,951
and that
1009
00:43:38,952 --> 00:43:41,412
and the hand comes quite
close, but it doesn't slap.
1010
00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:43,038
Well, it doesn't
work, of course.
1011
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,874
I said finally to Jack,
"You're gonna have to slap me.
1012
00:43:45,875 --> 00:43:49,253
Just go ahead and do it." And
he said, "You sure, Dread?"
1013
00:43:49,254 --> 00:43:52,006
And so I said, yeah. So
then, we did it again,
1014
00:43:52,007 --> 00:43:53,048
and it worked.
1015
00:43:53,049 --> 00:43:54,342
She's my sister.
1016
00:43:55,677 --> 00:43:58,387
She's my daughter.
1017
00:43:58,388 --> 00:44:00,973
My sister, my daughter...
1018
00:44:00,974 --> 00:44:02,976
I said I want the truth!
1019
00:44:06,688 --> 00:44:11,108
She's my sister and my daughter!
1020
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:13,277
Faye's such an
extraordinary actress
1021
00:44:13,278 --> 00:44:15,654
and her ferocious intent
1022
00:44:15,655 --> 00:44:18,782
with her characters was
something I really admired.
1023
00:44:18,783 --> 00:44:20,659
For a beautiful woman
1024
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,954
to take a bite out of
characters like that
1025
00:44:23,955 --> 00:44:28,460
is so unusual and
so rarely offered.
1026
00:44:32,255 --> 00:44:33,797
Better get out of here!
1027
00:44:33,798 --> 00:44:36,717
Lena, it's me!
1028
00:44:36,718 --> 00:44:37,801
In the early '70s,
1029
00:44:37,802 --> 00:44:39,803
we are now making
films about women
1030
00:44:39,804 --> 00:44:41,305
who can be independent.
1031
00:44:41,306 --> 00:44:45,726
Women who are no longer
defining themselves
1032
00:44:45,727 --> 00:44:48,812
purely in terms of
being mothers and wives.
1033
00:44:48,813 --> 00:44:51,857
And that-that marked
the '70s, in society,
1034
00:44:51,858 --> 00:44:53,275
as well as on screen.
1035
00:44:53,276 --> 00:44:54,360
What good are you?
1036
00:44:54,361 --> 00:44:56,320
I'm your father, Lena.
1037
00:44:56,321 --> 00:44:58,072
So what?
1038
00:44:58,073 --> 00:44:59,656
You wanna read me
nursery rhymes?
1039
00:44:59,657 --> 00:45:01,241
It's a little late for that.
1040
00:45:01,242 --> 00:45:03,994
This was not somebody
who was typecast.
1041
00:45:03,995 --> 00:45:07,498
She was playing very
different kinds of characters
1042
00:45:07,499 --> 00:45:09,333
with very different looks.
1043
00:45:09,334 --> 00:45:12,252
Anything Faye Dunaway
was going to be in,
1044
00:45:12,253 --> 00:45:13,379
I wanted to see it.
1045
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:15,214
I saw it happen.
1046
00:45:15,215 --> 00:45:17,175
With your own eyes?
1047
00:45:19,344 --> 00:45:20,844
In a nightmare.
1048
00:45:20,845 --> 00:45:23,222
The '70s was just
like a goldmine.
1049
00:45:23,223 --> 00:45:25,265
It was an incredible
time for film.
1050
00:45:25,266 --> 00:45:26,934
That's when things
started happening
1051
00:45:26,935 --> 00:45:28,852
in a major kind of way,
1052
00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:30,521
and the big one was "Network."
1053
00:45:30,522 --> 00:45:33,982
I want you to get up now.
1054
00:45:33,983 --> 00:45:37,277
I want all of you to get
up out of your chairs.
1055
00:45:37,278 --> 00:45:40,823
I want you to get up right
now and go to the window,
1056
00:45:40,824 --> 00:45:44,326
open it, and stick
your head out and yell,
1057
00:45:44,327 --> 00:45:45,953
"I'm as mad as hell,
1058
00:45:45,954 --> 00:45:48,622
and I'm not going to
take this anymore!"
1059
00:45:48,623 --> 00:45:49,957
When the script was sent to me,
1060
00:45:49,958 --> 00:45:52,042
I read it, and I said yes.
1061
00:45:52,043 --> 00:45:54,003
And everyone didn't
want me to do it.
1062
00:45:54,004 --> 00:45:55,587
They said she
didn't have a heart,
1063
00:45:55,588 --> 00:45:56,880
and she didn't have a soul.
1064
00:45:56,881 --> 00:45:59,800
She was a TV baby.
That's all she knew.
1065
00:45:59,801 --> 00:46:02,720
Television and ratings and
that's what made her tick.
1066
00:46:02,721 --> 00:46:05,681
I seem to be inept
at everything.
1067
00:46:05,682 --> 00:46:07,725
Except my work.
1068
00:46:07,726 --> 00:46:10,019
I'm good at my work.
1069
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:12,521
So, I confine myself to that.
1070
00:46:12,522 --> 00:46:16,066
All I want out of life is
a 30 share and a 20 rating.
1071
00:46:16,067 --> 00:46:18,318
The script was by
Paddy Chayefsky,
1072
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:22,531
and he was, I think, using
the character of Diana
1073
00:46:22,532 --> 00:46:25,451
and Faye Dunaway's body and soul
1074
00:46:25,452 --> 00:46:27,202
to critique what he saw as
1075
00:46:27,203 --> 00:46:29,788
the worst excesses
of television.
1076
00:46:29,789 --> 00:46:33,167
Namely that mentality that
we have to be number one.
1077
00:46:33,168 --> 00:46:34,752
We have to have all the profits.
1078
00:46:34,753 --> 00:46:38,088
Who cares who gets
trampled in the process?
1079
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:41,301
We've got the number-one
show in television!
1080
00:46:44,179 --> 00:46:46,764
And at next year's affiliates
meeting, I'll be standing here,
1081
00:46:46,765 --> 00:46:48,933
telling you we've
got the top five!
1082
00:46:50,268 --> 00:46:51,852
Now, you're talking about
1083
00:46:51,853 --> 00:46:54,938
a multi, multi, multi-million
dollar industry.
1084
00:46:54,939 --> 00:46:57,775
As big as steel, as
big as electronics.
1085
00:46:57,776 --> 00:47:00,402
It's an enormous
industry. And right now,
1086
00:47:00,403 --> 00:47:03,614
it's an industry dedicated
to one thing, profit,
1087
00:47:03,615 --> 00:47:07,284
and the only responsibility they
have is to their stockholders.
1088
00:47:07,285 --> 00:47:09,703
- The interesting thing...
- And that, I think, is worth knowing,
1089
00:47:09,704 --> 00:47:11,663
that what you see on television
1090
00:47:11,664 --> 00:47:13,999
is what's getting
money for the network.
1091
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,793
And it's not true.
1092
00:47:15,794 --> 00:47:18,462
I think it's necessary to expose
1093
00:47:18,463 --> 00:47:19,880
what that process is,
1094
00:47:19,881 --> 00:47:22,466
as it goes on in
contemporary times.
1095
00:47:22,467 --> 00:47:24,051
And it just seemed to me that
1096
00:47:24,052 --> 00:47:25,844
you had to play her. You
had to get it out there.
1097
00:47:25,845 --> 00:47:28,639
And Sidney Lumet was
a fantastic director.
1098
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,141
And I had said to Faye,
when I first met her,
1099
00:47:31,142 --> 00:47:34,144
"I know what the first
question is gonna be from you,
1100
00:47:34,145 --> 00:47:37,231
"and that you're gonna ask me,
where is her vulnerability?
1101
00:47:37,232 --> 00:47:39,900
"And I'm gonna tell you
right now, she has none.
1102
00:47:39,901 --> 00:47:42,152
"And if you try to get any in,
1103
00:47:42,153 --> 00:47:43,821
I'll cut it out of the movie."
1104
00:47:43,822 --> 00:47:45,155
I've been telling you people
1105
00:47:45,156 --> 00:47:46,907
since I took this
job six months ago
1106
00:47:46,908 --> 00:47:49,368
that I want angry shows.
1107
00:47:49,369 --> 00:47:51,495
I don't want conventional
programming on this network.
1108
00:47:51,496 --> 00:47:54,373
I want counterculture. I
want anti-establishment.
1109
00:47:54,374 --> 00:47:56,625
David Itzkoff: Dunaway, at
this point in her career,
1110
00:47:56,626 --> 00:47:58,711
is, of course, an A-list star.
1111
00:47:58,712 --> 00:48:01,797
She was the first person to be
officially cast in the film.
1112
00:48:01,798 --> 00:48:03,716
She's already got
her Oscar nominations
1113
00:48:03,717 --> 00:48:05,634
for "Bonnie and Clyde"
and for "Chinatown,"
1114
00:48:05,635 --> 00:48:09,096
and an actor that Sidney
Lumet and Paddy Chayefsky
1115
00:48:09,097 --> 00:48:11,682
wanted very badly for this part.
1116
00:48:11,683 --> 00:48:14,351
This was essentially
a lone woman
1117
00:48:14,352 --> 00:48:17,021
working in a
male-dominated industry
1118
00:48:17,022 --> 00:48:19,356
who really had
power and control,
1119
00:48:19,357 --> 00:48:22,443
and was seeking more
power in her department.
1120
00:48:22,444 --> 00:48:26,030
I'm talking about a six
dollar cost per thousand show.
1121
00:48:26,031 --> 00:48:29,033
I'm talking about 100,
130,000 dollar-minutes!
1122
00:48:29,034 --> 00:48:31,035
Do you wanna figure out the
revenues of a strip show
1123
00:48:31,036 --> 00:48:33,037
that sells for 100,000
bucks a minute?
1124
00:48:33,038 --> 00:48:34,830
One show like that could
pull this whole network
1125
00:48:34,831 --> 00:48:36,832
right out of the
hole! Now, Frank,
1126
00:48:36,833 --> 00:48:38,208
it's being handed
to us on a plate.
1127
00:48:38,209 --> 00:48:40,836
Let's not blow it.
1128
00:48:40,837 --> 00:48:43,464
Women can be powerful, and
when they become powerful,
1129
00:48:43,465 --> 00:48:45,507
power corrupts.
1130
00:48:45,508 --> 00:48:47,843
And she proved the point.
1131
00:48:47,844 --> 00:48:49,386
Talk about equality for women,
1132
00:48:49,387 --> 00:48:51,555
she could be as mean
and single-minded
1133
00:48:51,556 --> 00:48:54,350
and devastating as any man.
1134
00:48:54,351 --> 00:48:57,144
And you know what? It was
kind of exciting to see that
1135
00:48:57,145 --> 00:48:59,021
as a young woman starting out.
1136
00:48:59,022 --> 00:49:01,482
I've heard it said by women
who have seen "Network"
1137
00:49:01,483 --> 00:49:04,360
that the, uh, character
you created in the picture,
1138
00:49:04,361 --> 00:49:07,404
uh, might set the woman's
movement back 50 years.
1139
00:49:07,405 --> 00:49:09,198
I have a very definite
opinion on that.
1140
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:11,408
I think that for, for years,
1141
00:49:11,409 --> 00:49:13,660
uh, and I'm not actively
involved in the movement,
1142
00:49:13,661 --> 00:49:15,287
God knows I'm for it,
1143
00:49:15,288 --> 00:49:18,123
um, but what we've been
trying to get away from
1144
00:49:18,124 --> 00:49:21,293
is stereotypical
women's roles that,
1145
00:49:21,294 --> 00:49:23,962
that reflect an
inaccurate view of,
1146
00:49:23,963 --> 00:49:25,839
of what a woman really is.
1147
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,175
Now, you cannot then
say, "Well, yes,
1148
00:49:28,176 --> 00:49:30,219
but she always has to
be nice at the end."
1149
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:32,137
It's a kind of hypocrisy
1150
00:49:32,138 --> 00:49:34,306
which I don't think real
feminists are gonna feel.
1151
00:49:34,307 --> 00:49:37,267
Now, my task, I felt
the largest task I had,
1152
00:49:37,268 --> 00:49:40,813
I think, in this was
to infuse the role
1153
00:49:40,814 --> 00:49:43,857
with some sense of
what she is, in fact,
1154
00:49:43,858 --> 00:49:45,442
giving up and paying for it.
1155
00:49:45,443 --> 00:49:48,195
It was just very
important to understand
1156
00:49:48,196 --> 00:49:51,281
the lengths to which
she had developed
1157
00:49:51,282 --> 00:49:55,285
without normal human
emotions and decency,
1158
00:49:55,286 --> 00:49:57,287
and there was a way
somehow to let her soul,
1159
00:49:57,288 --> 00:49:59,289
or her lack of
soul, seep through.
1160
00:49:59,290 --> 00:50:00,833
And the moment I
think that happened
1161
00:50:00,834 --> 00:50:02,835
was with William
Holden at the end
1162
00:50:02,836 --> 00:50:05,212
where we're splitting up.
1163
00:50:05,213 --> 00:50:08,508
What exactly is it
you want me to do?
1164
00:50:08,925 --> 00:50:11,553
I just want you to love me.
1165
00:50:13,138 --> 00:50:16,725
I just want you to love
me, primal doubts and all.
1166
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:20,937
I don't know how to do that.
1167
00:50:21,354 --> 00:50:23,897
I mean, that's
the look. It's...
1168
00:50:23,898 --> 00:50:25,608
"I can't.
1169
00:50:27,068 --> 00:50:28,527
Just can't."
1170
00:50:28,528 --> 00:50:30,320
I don't want your pain.
1171
00:50:30,321 --> 00:50:32,448
I don't want your menopause
or decay and death!
1172
00:50:32,449 --> 00:50:35,326
- I don't need you, Max! Now, get out of...
- You need me!
1173
00:50:36,036 --> 00:50:37,661
You need me badly.
1174
00:50:37,662 --> 00:50:39,789
You know, she was
tragic, in my view.
1175
00:50:40,081 --> 00:50:43,335
And that look, that's
a lost person in hell.
1176
00:50:44,919 --> 00:50:46,504
And she's not gonna get out.
1177
00:50:52,093 --> 00:50:54,179
And the winner is...
1178
00:50:55,347 --> 00:50:57,932
Faye Dunaway in "Network."
1179
00:51:07,150 --> 00:51:09,193
Well, I didn't expect
this to happen quite yet,
1180
00:51:09,194 --> 00:51:12,029
but I do thank you very
much, and I'm very grateful.
1181
00:51:12,030 --> 00:51:15,449
I would like especially
to thank Sidney Lumet,
1182
00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:18,535
Paddy Chayefsky,
Howard Gottfried,
1183
00:51:18,536 --> 00:51:20,871
uh, Danny Melnick,
1184
00:51:20,872 --> 00:51:23,666
and the great generosity
1185
00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:27,544
of a rare group of
actors, company of actors,
1186
00:51:27,545 --> 00:51:30,840
in particular William
Holden, Robert Duval,
1187
00:51:31,508 --> 00:51:34,511
and Peter Finch. Thank you.
1188
00:51:51,236 --> 00:51:53,112
Oh, that's wonderful. Oh!
1189
00:51:53,113 --> 00:51:56,907
And they set it up so everyone
can, like, partake in it.
1190
00:51:56,908 --> 00:51:58,409
Oh, that's amazing.
1191
00:51:58,410 --> 00:52:00,704
Margaret Roth:
That is so cool.
1192
00:52:01,496 --> 00:52:02,579
Ah...
1193
00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:04,874
Couple more. Maybe you're
looking, just like that.
1194
00:52:06,334 --> 00:52:08,293
Thirty minutes from
now, there are gonna be
1195
00:52:08,294 --> 00:52:11,381
a few hundred people in here
to welcome Faye Dunaway to
1196
00:52:11,715 --> 00:52:15,050
probably the most exhaustive
career retrospective
1197
00:52:15,051 --> 00:52:17,261
of her ex-husband Terry O'Neill.
1198
00:52:17,262 --> 00:52:21,099
And, of course, perhaps the
greatest shot of his career,
1199
00:52:21,516 --> 00:52:24,978
Faye Dunaway, the morning
after she won her Oscar.
1200
00:52:26,938 --> 00:52:28,605
My dad was a photographer.
1201
00:52:28,606 --> 00:52:29,773
He was born in England,
1202
00:52:29,774 --> 00:52:32,234
so he was just an English
guy through and through.
1203
00:52:32,235 --> 00:52:35,237
I guess his specialty was
putting someone in a place,
1204
00:52:35,238 --> 00:52:38,115
letting that person
be themselves,
1205
00:52:38,116 --> 00:52:39,658
and then taking the picture
1206
00:52:39,659 --> 00:52:41,994
because it directly
represents them
1207
00:52:41,995 --> 00:52:44,538
instead of someone
just setting it up.
1208
00:52:44,539 --> 00:52:46,331
I have a funny picture
that no one's ever seen
1209
00:52:46,332 --> 00:52:48,417
- that I took with, uh, Dad.
- What?
1210
00:52:48,418 --> 00:52:50,169
Before he died, we were visiting
1211
00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:53,047
the Beverly Hills Hotel,
and there's this huge sign
1212
00:52:53,048 --> 00:52:54,631
on the pool that says
1213
00:52:54,632 --> 00:52:57,426
"No photography
in the pool area."
1214
00:52:57,427 --> 00:52:59,678
And I got Dad to, like,
stand by the sign,
1215
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,306
and just kinda do one of
those things holding a camera.
1216
00:53:02,307 --> 00:53:03,974
- It was just a great, great photo.
- That's lovely.
1217
00:53:03,975 --> 00:53:06,101
I always called Terry a
journalist with a camera,
1218
00:53:06,102 --> 00:53:07,436
not a pen.
1219
00:53:07,437 --> 00:53:09,646
You know, he needed a
photograph that told a story.
1220
00:53:09,647 --> 00:53:11,565
And he did that with
that photograph.
1221
00:53:11,566 --> 00:53:15,152
He actually persuaded
a major Hollywood star,
1222
00:53:15,153 --> 00:53:17,529
on the night that she
collects her Oscar,
1223
00:53:17,530 --> 00:53:20,449
to be poolside at 6:00
a.m. the next morning.
1224
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:22,993
And he took 12 shots,
1225
00:53:22,994 --> 00:53:26,330
and off she went to bed
again. It took 15 minutes.
1226
00:53:26,331 --> 00:53:28,332
It, many times,
has been described
1227
00:53:28,333 --> 00:53:31,043
as probably the greatest
Hollywood shot of all time.
1228
00:53:31,044 --> 00:53:34,422
And it was very indicative of
Terry's need to tell a story.
1229
00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:38,342
He said, "The morning
after you're gonna wake up,
1230
00:53:38,343 --> 00:53:41,471
and your life will have
changed dramatically."
1231
00:53:42,055 --> 00:53:43,347
When my parents met,
1232
00:53:43,348 --> 00:53:45,724
my mom was married
to Peter Wolf,
1233
00:53:45,725 --> 00:53:49,395
who was a rock star
in the J. Geils Band.
1234
00:53:49,396 --> 00:53:52,439
My dad was also married
to a lady named Vera
1235
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,525
who was an actress-slash-model.
1236
00:53:54,526 --> 00:53:57,111
They were both married,
both in relationships,
1237
00:53:57,112 --> 00:53:59,613
and they just kind of
sparked this interest.
1238
00:53:59,614 --> 00:54:02,783
I mean, I think that's how it
works most of the time, right?
1239
00:54:02,784 --> 00:54:04,702
Terry was taking
photographs of me,
1240
00:54:04,703 --> 00:54:07,037
and we kind of started
to get to know each other
1241
00:54:07,038 --> 00:54:08,288
and like each other.
1242
00:54:08,289 --> 00:54:10,332
Things had not been
working out with Peter
1243
00:54:10,333 --> 00:54:11,875
in terms of what we truly want.
1244
00:54:11,876 --> 00:54:13,711
He was younger than I was,
1245
00:54:13,712 --> 00:54:16,714
and we didn't want the
same things anymore.
1246
00:54:16,715 --> 00:54:18,549
And so, I ended it.
1247
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:20,759
It was hard because I
had to kind of give him
1248
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,637
the papers by surprise.
1249
00:54:23,638 --> 00:54:25,389
But, more than that, I
did want to have a child,
1250
00:54:25,390 --> 00:54:27,182
as part of a woman's experience.
1251
00:54:27,183 --> 00:54:28,726
Look at that.
1252
00:54:28,727 --> 00:54:30,060
Little... little baby pictures.
1253
00:54:30,061 --> 00:54:33,897
Yeah. This one. This is
great. This was way early on.
1254
00:54:33,898 --> 00:54:36,567
"Who's the best boy in
the world?" I used to say.
1255
00:54:36,568 --> 00:54:39,946
And he would say, "Me,
me." It's so nice.
1256
00:54:41,906 --> 00:54:45,200
I wanted you to talk to
us about being a mom.
1257
00:54:45,201 --> 00:54:47,036
Oh, God.
1258
00:54:47,037 --> 00:54:50,581
There is nothing that's
more, more important to me.
1259
00:54:50,582 --> 00:54:53,709
I don't know why. I was
most important to my mother.
1260
00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:57,713
She had her heart set
always on having a child,
1261
00:54:57,714 --> 00:54:59,840
and she planned for it,
and I don't know whether
1262
00:54:59,841 --> 00:55:03,093
I got that from her
as I was growing up...
1263
00:55:03,094 --> 00:55:05,430
I... It meant very much to me.
1264
00:55:05,805 --> 00:55:08,932
And there came a moment
where the work had taken over
1265
00:55:08,933 --> 00:55:11,727
to the point where it
was too late, really,
1266
00:55:11,728 --> 00:55:14,897
for me to have a child
in a biological sense.
1267
00:55:14,898 --> 00:55:17,649
So, I found my son, Liam,
1268
00:55:17,650 --> 00:55:20,194
and I adopted him with Terry,
1269
00:55:20,195 --> 00:55:21,779
and I was overjoyed, really,
1270
00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:23,530
when it evolved
the way that it did
1271
00:55:23,531 --> 00:55:25,574
because I certainly know
1272
00:55:25,575 --> 00:55:29,536
that he's everything
to me. Everything.
1273
00:55:29,537 --> 00:55:32,331
I never care to discuss my
adoption with my parents.
1274
00:55:32,332 --> 00:55:34,249
And my mom doesn't
like to talk about it,
1275
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:37,127
especially in a business where
everyone is in your business,
1276
00:55:37,128 --> 00:55:39,129
or likes to think that they
can be in your business.
1277
00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:42,800
So I think that that's one
of things she kept to herself
1278
00:55:42,801 --> 00:55:45,135
and didn't want
everyone else knowing.
1279
00:55:45,136 --> 00:55:47,554
I wanted that to be
private and personal,
1280
00:55:47,555 --> 00:55:50,516
and I didn't want it to be
out there in all the world.
1281
00:55:50,517 --> 00:55:52,601
And I wanted to keep him safe.
1282
00:55:52,602 --> 00:55:54,812
That was my major priority.
1283
00:55:54,813 --> 00:55:57,773
And people still want to pry
about it and talk about it
1284
00:55:57,774 --> 00:55:59,817
and I don't see
the point in that.
1285
00:55:59,818 --> 00:56:02,987
And I don't choose to
reveal everything to people.
1286
00:56:03,238 --> 00:56:05,823
I was less than a week
old when I was adopted.
1287
00:56:05,824 --> 00:56:06,865
And to this day, I mean,
1288
00:56:06,866 --> 00:56:08,784
I don't know who my
biological parents were,
1289
00:56:08,785 --> 00:56:10,828
my birth mother, that's
what you call it.
1290
00:56:10,829 --> 00:56:15,249
But, to me, it's like a parent
is the person who raised you.
1291
00:56:15,250 --> 00:56:16,583
So, for me,
1292
00:56:16,584 --> 00:56:18,335
you grow up with your
parents. They're your parents
1293
00:56:18,336 --> 00:56:19,838
your whole life.
There's no one else.
1294
00:56:30,348 --> 00:56:31,640
My parents were married.
1295
00:56:31,641 --> 00:56:34,018
They did actually
get married in 1983,
1296
00:56:34,019 --> 00:56:36,353
three years after I was born.
1297
00:56:36,354 --> 00:56:37,688
And I grew up
1298
00:56:37,689 --> 00:56:41,567
and I split time between
London and New York City.
1299
00:56:41,568 --> 00:56:43,402
My mom had a place
in New York City,
1300
00:56:43,403 --> 00:56:44,862
300 Central Park West,
1301
00:56:44,863 --> 00:56:48,700
and my dad had a place in
London right behind Harrods.
1302
00:57:14,851 --> 00:57:17,227
I just remember it
always being busy.
1303
00:57:17,228 --> 00:57:19,772
There were always people
there. There were always people
1304
00:57:19,773 --> 00:57:21,565
hanging out, having a good time,
1305
00:57:21,566 --> 00:57:23,400
lots of laughing.
1306
00:57:23,401 --> 00:57:24,735
It was odd because
we would have people
1307
00:57:24,736 --> 00:57:26,236
come to the house to do things.
1308
00:57:26,237 --> 00:57:28,739
You know, instead of people
going out to get a haircut,
1309
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:32,326
they would come into my house,
give me a haircut, because,
1310
00:57:32,327 --> 00:57:34,745
back then, they
were the megastars.
1311
00:57:34,746 --> 00:57:36,747
They couldn't just take
their kids to the park.
1312
00:57:36,748 --> 00:57:39,083
You can't do those
normal activities
1313
00:57:39,084 --> 00:57:41,752
without getting hounded by
people, much like today.
1314
00:57:41,753 --> 00:57:44,755
Many years ago, Joan
Crawford told a reporter
1315
00:57:44,756 --> 00:57:47,591
that of all the young
actresses on the way up,
1316
00:57:47,592 --> 00:57:50,260
only one had the
makings of a true star,
1317
00:57:50,261 --> 00:57:51,762
and that was Faye Dunaway.
1318
00:57:51,763 --> 00:57:54,932
- This is stuff that Dad took...
- What? Tell me.
1319
00:57:54,933 --> 00:57:58,018
That are Polaroids that
no one's ever seen before.
1320
00:57:58,019 --> 00:58:00,270
- And that we have about...
- Oh, my God.
1321
00:58:00,271 --> 00:58:02,106
Yeah. We have about
20 pages of ‘em.
1322
00:58:02,107 --> 00:58:03,607
- You do?
- Yeah.
1323
00:58:03,608 --> 00:58:05,360
- This is the Crawford stuff.
- Yeah.
1324
00:58:05,819 --> 00:58:07,903
- Wow.
- There's a funny story about...
1325
00:58:07,904 --> 00:58:09,780
- Tell me.
- Probably about 10 years ago.
1326
00:58:09,781 --> 00:58:11,740
We were looking
through Dad's archive.
1327
00:58:11,741 --> 00:58:13,992
He said, "Whoa-whoa-whoa,
wait. That picture's not mine.
1328
00:58:13,993 --> 00:58:15,828
"I never shot Joan
Crawford. I never met her.
1329
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:17,538
I never... you know,
anything like that."
1330
00:58:17,539 --> 00:58:19,581
And Robin had to stop him
1331
00:58:19,582 --> 00:58:21,792
and he was like, "No,
no, no, that's Faye."
1332
00:58:21,793 --> 00:58:23,627
Like, it looked so
realistic and everything
1333
00:58:23,628 --> 00:58:25,087
- and he was just like...
- Yeah.
1334
00:58:25,088 --> 00:58:27,047
- Oh, that's wonderful.
- Didn't even remember it.
1335
00:58:27,048 --> 00:58:30,050
Do you feel, in
any way, a kinship
1336
00:58:30,051 --> 00:58:33,220
to Joan Crawford? Is she
anything like you are?
1337
00:58:33,221 --> 00:58:35,889
Oh, I feel an enormous kinship.
1338
00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:37,766
Enormous.
1339
00:58:37,767 --> 00:58:40,644
Um, "Is she like me?"
is a different question
1340
00:58:40,645 --> 00:58:43,272
because there are,
I think, in me,
1341
00:58:43,273 --> 00:58:46,650
to be honest, some tendencies.
I don't know. I'll have to...
1342
00:58:46,651 --> 00:58:49,653
I've never completely examined
that, but I can do that.
1343
00:58:49,654 --> 00:58:51,531
But, a kinship, yes.
1344
00:58:52,657 --> 00:58:54,242
We're ready for
you, Miss Crawford.
1345
00:58:56,077 --> 00:58:58,620
Before "Mommie Dearest"
and after "Mommie Dearest"
1346
00:58:58,621 --> 00:59:00,497
it's a different Faye Dunaway.
1347
00:59:00,498 --> 00:59:02,499
Let's go.
1348
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:04,543
It's a different
conception of Faye Dunaway.
1349
00:59:04,544 --> 00:59:07,921
Throughout the late '60s
and throughout the '70s,
1350
00:59:07,922 --> 00:59:10,632
we're talking about one of the
most respected actors working.
1351
00:59:10,633 --> 00:59:14,053
So, there's no reason to
think that "Mommie Dearest"
1352
00:59:14,054 --> 00:59:18,015
would be anything other
than a rich, serious film,
1353
00:59:18,016 --> 00:59:20,851
exploring the life of
another Hollywood legend.
1354
00:59:20,852 --> 00:59:23,187
Come on. You've got
everything you want.
1355
00:59:23,188 --> 00:59:25,272
No, I don't. I want a baby.
1356
00:59:25,273 --> 00:59:26,982
A baby?
1357
00:59:26,983 --> 00:59:28,192
Yeah.
1358
00:59:28,193 --> 00:59:31,403
There are moments in your
life when things make sense
1359
00:59:31,404 --> 00:59:32,863
and it did at that time.
1360
00:59:32,864 --> 00:59:35,783
I'd just been married to
Terry, just had a baby,
1361
00:59:35,784 --> 00:59:39,787
and, somehow, that was,
financially, a good prospect.
1362
00:59:39,788 --> 00:59:43,207
It wasn't really, and it was
the wrong thing for me to do,
1363
00:59:43,208 --> 00:59:45,293
but it was one of the mistakes.
1364
00:59:45,543 --> 00:59:47,211
Darling?
1365
00:59:47,212 --> 00:59:50,298
Remember what I told you
about adopted children?
1366
00:59:51,466 --> 00:59:53,717
Adopted children are luckiest
1367
00:59:53,718 --> 00:59:56,762
- because they were chosen.
- That's right.
1368
00:59:56,763 --> 01:00:00,141
I feel like "Mommie Dearest"
was released 40 years too early.
1369
01:00:00,517 --> 01:00:02,559
Joan Crawford, her passing
1370
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,562
was so recent when that
book was published.
1371
01:00:05,563 --> 01:00:07,481
Christina Crawford
was the first person
1372
01:00:07,482 --> 01:00:09,400
to ever write a tell-all book
1373
01:00:09,401 --> 01:00:11,902
about this Hollywood star
1374
01:00:11,903 --> 01:00:15,115
and what life was like
behind that glitzy curtain.
1375
01:00:16,032 --> 01:00:19,410
I don't want her growing
up a spoiled Hollywood brat
1376
01:00:19,411 --> 01:00:21,161
just because she's
Crawford's daughter.
1377
01:00:21,162 --> 01:00:24,081
Nobody had ever really
talked about those skeletons
1378
01:00:24,082 --> 01:00:26,000
because Hollywood
actors and actresses,
1379
01:00:26,001 --> 01:00:29,586
they were so protected,
and they were just idolized
1380
01:00:29,587 --> 01:00:32,297
as perfect human beings.
1381
01:00:32,298 --> 01:00:33,882
Now, we talk about
mental illness.
1382
01:00:33,883 --> 01:00:35,592
Now, we talk about child abuse.
1383
01:00:35,593 --> 01:00:37,803
Back then, it
wasn't talked about.
1384
01:00:37,804 --> 01:00:39,263
And to have this book come out
1385
01:00:39,264 --> 01:00:42,599
- that just reveals all of it was overwhelming.
- Ow!
1386
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,101
You be quiet!
1387
01:00:44,102 --> 01:00:46,186
You're always rummaging
through my drawers,
1388
01:00:46,187 --> 01:00:47,938
trying to find a way to
make people look at you!
1389
01:00:47,939 --> 01:00:50,107
Why are you always looking
at yourself in the mirror?
1390
01:00:50,108 --> 01:00:51,859
Faye Dunaway is uncanny
1391
01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:53,277
in her performance as Crawford.
1392
01:00:53,278 --> 01:00:55,696
It's like watching a ghost
to see her on the screen.
1393
01:00:55,697 --> 01:00:56,947
But, "Mommie
Dearest" is basically
1394
01:00:56,948 --> 01:00:59,950
just a pointless record
of neurotic child abuse.
1395
01:00:59,951 --> 01:01:02,786
One of the most depressing
films in a long time.
1396
01:01:02,787 --> 01:01:04,455
I agree with you.
Well-made, but depressing.
1397
01:01:04,456 --> 01:01:06,457
The way the film has been
structured, you sit there
1398
01:01:06,458 --> 01:01:07,666
and wait for the beating scenes.
1399
01:01:07,667 --> 01:01:09,335
And when you're in the
audience thinking that,
1400
01:01:09,336 --> 01:01:10,961
you sort of feel lousy.
1401
01:01:10,962 --> 01:01:13,630
Everybody wants to make fun
of her for "Mommie Dearest,"
1402
01:01:13,631 --> 01:01:15,549
but you tell me how
you play that part.
1403
01:01:15,550 --> 01:01:18,552
And ask yourselves, was it Faye,
1404
01:01:18,553 --> 01:01:22,139
or was it the way
they shot the scene?
1405
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:25,267
That wasn't Faye
Dunaway's error.
1406
01:01:25,268 --> 01:01:27,686
The joke is on the director.
1407
01:01:27,687 --> 01:01:29,897
The joke is not on the artist.
1408
01:01:29,898 --> 01:01:33,818
And if the director puts
the artist in that position,
1409
01:01:34,736 --> 01:01:36,445
shame on the director.
1410
01:01:36,446 --> 01:01:39,324
Don't fuck with me, fellas!
1411
01:01:40,575 --> 01:01:43,243
This ain't my first
time at the rodeo.
1412
01:01:43,244 --> 01:01:46,163
The woman lived her life
almost as grand opera.
1413
01:01:46,164 --> 01:01:49,500
She was performing while
she was having these rages,
1414
01:01:49,501 --> 01:01:51,460
in my judgment at
least, and, uh,
1415
01:01:51,461 --> 01:01:54,338
and so those were
conscious choices.
1416
01:01:54,339 --> 01:01:55,923
I would do 'em again.
1417
01:01:55,924 --> 01:01:58,967
Frank Perry didn't help
me shape the scenes.
1418
01:01:58,968 --> 01:02:01,011
I wish he had come in
and said, "Come on, Faye,
1419
01:02:01,012 --> 01:02:02,971
that's too far. Come
on. Pull it back."
1420
01:02:02,972 --> 01:02:04,807
I mean, I'm a professional.
I would've done that.
1421
01:02:04,808 --> 01:02:07,017
But, I got engrossed
in trying to achieve
1422
01:02:07,018 --> 01:02:09,770
what the script seemed
to be requiring of me.
1423
01:02:09,771 --> 01:02:12,690
And it might've kicked
into my bipolar,
1424
01:02:12,691 --> 01:02:16,027
this mania, this
irritation, this mood swing.
1425
01:02:16,611 --> 01:02:20,865
Carol Ann! I asked you to
keep the children quiet today!
1426
01:02:21,491 --> 01:02:25,285
Now, for Christ's sake,
get them out of the garden!
1427
01:02:25,286 --> 01:02:26,121
I'm sorry, Joan.
1428
01:02:26,122 --> 01:02:29,415
She was scary.
She's frightening.
1429
01:02:29,416 --> 01:02:32,376
I was on the edge of my
seat sometimes, thinking,
1430
01:02:32,377 --> 01:02:33,669
"Am I gonna get fired?"
1431
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:35,671
And Frank would remind me,
1432
01:02:35,672 --> 01:02:37,673
"Don't do this, or
you're gonna get fired,"
1433
01:02:37,674 --> 01:02:39,466
from the beginning!
"Don't look so good,
1434
01:02:39,467 --> 01:02:40,968
"or I'm gonna have to fire you,
1435
01:02:40,969 --> 01:02:42,928
and I have no
control over this."
1436
01:02:42,929 --> 01:02:45,139
So, who was in charge?
1437
01:02:45,140 --> 01:02:46,974
I mean, it's a
terrible way to work,
1438
01:02:46,975 --> 01:02:50,645
thinking you're gonna
get fired at any time.
1439
01:02:52,063 --> 01:02:54,189
Rutanya Alda said that there was
1440
01:02:54,190 --> 01:02:56,483
like a fearfulness
of me on the set.
1441
01:02:56,484 --> 01:02:57,651
Well, that's because
the character
1442
01:02:57,652 --> 01:02:59,653
was written fearful, I suppose.
1443
01:02:59,654 --> 01:03:03,240
But I don't recall bad
things with Rutanya.
1444
01:03:03,241 --> 01:03:05,617
You know, sometimes I guess
I've been unkind to people
1445
01:03:05,618 --> 01:03:07,286
or seemingly cruel.
1446
01:03:07,287 --> 01:03:10,831
I haven't meant to be, and
it's not in my nature to be.
1447
01:03:10,832 --> 01:03:12,750
I don't willfully want to be.
1448
01:03:12,751 --> 01:03:14,418
I'm sort of led by
1449
01:03:14,419 --> 01:03:17,504
extremes of nature
sometimes, I suppose.
1450
01:03:17,505 --> 01:03:22,594
No... wire... hangers!
1451
01:03:24,095 --> 01:03:26,597
What's wire hangers
doing in this closet
1452
01:03:26,598 --> 01:03:28,432
when I told you,
1453
01:03:28,433 --> 01:03:32,227
no wire hangers ever?!
1454
01:03:32,228 --> 01:03:35,898
There were quite a few takes
of that particular scene.
1455
01:03:35,899 --> 01:03:37,358
I do remember a lot of
coverage on Faye Dunaway
1456
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:40,194
because of that incredible
mask she was wearing,
1457
01:03:40,195 --> 01:03:43,072
and the lighting and those
eyes with that makeup.
1458
01:03:43,073 --> 01:03:46,283
You live in the most
beautiful house in Brentwood,
1459
01:03:46,284 --> 01:03:49,286
- and you don't care...
- Mommie!
1460
01:03:49,287 --> 01:03:52,373
If your clothes look
hunchbacked from wire hangers?!
1461
01:03:52,374 --> 01:03:55,709
Mara Hobel was the little
girl that I had to hit,
1462
01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:59,380
and I was crazy worried about it
1463
01:03:59,381 --> 01:04:00,798
and very sympathetic.
1464
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,716
And I tried to make
sure she was alright,
1465
01:04:02,717 --> 01:04:04,718
and that we had done
it in such a way
1466
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:06,637
that she didn't
actually get hurt.
1467
01:04:06,638 --> 01:04:09,223
It was a difficult
role. Very difficult.
1468
01:04:09,224 --> 01:04:10,809
Tina!
1469
01:04:12,811 --> 01:04:14,396
Bring me the axe!
1470
01:04:15,897 --> 01:04:18,399
I never felt afraid
1471
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,984
during any of our
physical scenes together.
1472
01:04:20,985 --> 01:04:23,238
I trusted her immensely.
1473
01:04:23,655 --> 01:04:26,365
She was incredible to me.
1474
01:04:26,366 --> 01:04:29,702
It makes me sad that she...
1475
01:04:29,703 --> 01:04:32,997
doesn't have fond memories of...
1476
01:04:33,832 --> 01:04:36,291
doing "Mommie Dearest"
because I loved it.
1477
01:04:36,292 --> 01:04:37,793
At the time it came out,
1478
01:04:37,794 --> 01:04:39,169
it was perceived as a disaster
1479
01:04:39,170 --> 01:04:41,046
and it was something
that Faye Dunaway
1480
01:04:41,047 --> 01:04:42,631
had a really hard time
1481
01:04:42,632 --> 01:04:44,676
rebounding from, for
a very long time.
1482
01:04:45,051 --> 01:04:47,219
You have to give
Pauline Kael credit
1483
01:04:47,220 --> 01:04:49,888
for being one of the
few critics of the time
1484
01:04:49,889 --> 01:04:52,182
to really take that
movie seriously
1485
01:04:52,183 --> 01:04:53,600
and I always remember the line
1486
01:04:53,601 --> 01:04:56,603
that Pauline Kael wrote in
the "New Yorker" which is,
1487
01:04:56,604 --> 01:04:59,773
"You can laugh at the movie,
but you can't laugh at her."
1488
01:04:59,774 --> 01:05:02,234
That performance
by Faye Dunaway,
1489
01:05:02,235 --> 01:05:07,198
it absolutely should've been
her next Oscar nomination.
1490
01:05:08,825 --> 01:05:11,160
I actually paid money to see it
1491
01:05:11,161 --> 01:05:13,704
on one of the big
theaters on Broadway
1492
01:05:13,705 --> 01:05:16,707
when it opened. The
theater was full.
1493
01:05:16,708 --> 01:05:18,876
And then, people
started laughing.
1494
01:05:18,877 --> 01:05:22,421
And laughing and
laughing and I went,
1495
01:05:22,422 --> 01:05:26,426
"Whoa." I-I-I was shocked.
I didn't expect that.
1496
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,887
But they thoroughly
enjoyed the movie.
1497
01:05:29,888 --> 01:05:31,264
They loved the movie.
1498
01:05:31,514 --> 01:05:35,142
They loved it in a whole
other way as it's become.
1499
01:05:35,143 --> 01:05:37,519
"Mommie Dearest" has
a life of its own
1500
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,190
that has legs that
no one expected.
1501
01:05:41,191 --> 01:05:42,399
The film is now being shown
1502
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,193
at a lot of places at midnight,
1503
01:05:44,194 --> 01:05:46,737
like "Rocky Horror
Picture Show," you know?
1504
01:05:46,738 --> 01:05:48,031
And that's wonderful.
1505
01:05:48,156 --> 01:05:51,116
Kids come, apparently, and
bring hangers and cleanser
1506
01:05:51,117 --> 01:05:53,410
and talk to the screen and...
1507
01:05:53,411 --> 01:05:55,412
- It's gonna get to be a cult film.
- Well,
1508
01:05:55,413 --> 01:05:58,082
that would be
wonderful, I think.
1509
01:05:58,083 --> 01:06:00,125
Throughout these 40 years,
1510
01:06:00,126 --> 01:06:02,086
it's so interesting
that one film can evoke
1511
01:06:02,087 --> 01:06:05,172
such a different
reaction out of everyone.
1512
01:06:05,173 --> 01:06:08,175
You know, some people see
it as this over-the-top,
1513
01:06:08,176 --> 01:06:10,260
outrageous, campy comedy.
1514
01:06:10,261 --> 01:06:15,057
What's wire hangers
doing in this closet?!
1515
01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:17,685
I can see that side of
that. I absolutely can.
1516
01:06:17,686 --> 01:06:20,104
On the other hand, I've also have
had people that have come up to me
1517
01:06:20,105 --> 01:06:21,939
and said that they
started watching it
1518
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:23,190
and had to shut it off
1519
01:06:23,191 --> 01:06:25,317
because it reminded them
of their own childhood.
1520
01:06:25,318 --> 01:06:27,027
I've had people that
have said to me,
1521
01:06:27,028 --> 01:06:29,446
"It gave me the courage
to actually come forward
1522
01:06:29,447 --> 01:06:31,281
and say I was abused."
1523
01:06:31,282 --> 01:06:33,951
Do you feel you
made some mistakes?
1524
01:06:33,952 --> 01:06:36,704
- The things you chose to do?
- Mm...
1525
01:06:36,705 --> 01:06:40,249
I might take Crawford back.
1526
01:06:40,250 --> 01:06:44,253
But, I really wouldn't because
I did like her so much.
1527
01:06:44,254 --> 01:06:48,090
The only reason is because
she was very larger than life
1528
01:06:48,091 --> 01:06:51,803
and I wouldn't... I don't
want to be that myself.
1529
01:06:52,303 --> 01:06:54,304
And there's an inevitable
tendency of people,
1530
01:06:54,305 --> 01:06:56,140
who both work in the industry
1531
01:06:56,141 --> 01:06:58,308
and, and the audience,
to associate.
1532
01:06:58,309 --> 01:07:00,103
To think you're like
the parts you play.
1533
01:07:00,395 --> 01:07:02,479
Life is hills and
valleys sometimes.
1534
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,189
You're not always gonna
be up there doing...
1535
01:07:04,190 --> 01:07:06,817
making the right
choices, being perfect.
1536
01:07:06,818 --> 01:07:08,861
You're gonna have
moments where you think,
1537
01:07:08,862 --> 01:07:10,946
"Why did I ever do that?"
1538
01:07:10,947 --> 01:07:12,990
So, that's something that
1539
01:07:12,991 --> 01:07:15,493
you can't control sometimes.
1540
01:07:15,785 --> 01:07:17,244
It is shocking, though,
1541
01:07:17,245 --> 01:07:21,248
to see that here was this
person who was so iconic,
1542
01:07:21,249 --> 01:07:23,208
her characters were so linked
1543
01:07:23,209 --> 01:07:26,338
to this 10-year period
of massive change.
1544
01:07:26,629 --> 01:07:30,592
And by the time the '80s
came around, that was over.
1545
01:07:30,884 --> 01:07:33,677
The world is at last my oyster.
1546
01:07:33,678 --> 01:07:35,346
You know, you had
the Reagan years.
1547
01:07:35,347 --> 01:07:37,264
It was a whole
different ballgame
1548
01:07:37,265 --> 01:07:40,726
and where was the place
for Faye Dunaway in that?
1549
01:07:40,727 --> 01:07:43,479
Look, I drink.
1550
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,440
When I drink, I move
in a wrong direction.
1551
01:07:46,441 --> 01:07:48,734
My mom was an alcoholic.
1552
01:07:48,735 --> 01:07:50,194
She always used to say that
1553
01:07:50,195 --> 01:07:52,529
her drink of choice
was just a gin martini.
1554
01:07:52,530 --> 01:07:55,199
And she would drink them,
especially with William Alfred.
1555
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,658
They used to have
martinis together.
1556
01:07:56,659 --> 01:07:58,660
She always jokes that,
you know, on her deathbed,
1557
01:07:58,661 --> 01:08:00,996
she's like, "Just bring
me a dry martini."
1558
01:08:00,997 --> 01:08:03,332
"One last one before
I go out" kinda thing.
1559
01:08:03,333 --> 01:08:05,542
But, when I was growing
up, I remember my mom
1560
01:08:05,543 --> 01:08:08,212
going to the alcohol
treatment centers.
1561
01:08:08,213 --> 01:08:11,256
And then slowly over
time, she got sober.
1562
01:08:11,257 --> 01:08:12,883
She got sobriety.
1563
01:08:12,884 --> 01:08:14,051
I mean, I went through a period
1564
01:08:14,052 --> 01:08:16,303
where I had problems
with alcohol,
1565
01:08:16,304 --> 01:08:18,722
as did my father. It's
an inherited thing.
1566
01:08:18,723 --> 01:08:22,810
I'm in program and have
been for about 15 years.
1567
01:08:22,811 --> 01:08:24,561
And I knew what that was like
1568
01:08:24,562 --> 01:08:26,271
because it had been
part of my experience
1569
01:08:26,272 --> 01:08:28,857
and that, I think, was
helpful when I did "Barfly."
1570
01:08:28,858 --> 01:08:30,234
When you run off like this,
1571
01:08:30,235 --> 01:08:32,528
I feel like you're trying
to get away from me.
1572
01:08:32,529 --> 01:08:35,322
Hey, baby.
1573
01:08:35,323 --> 01:08:37,282
I'm doin' this for us.
1574
01:08:37,283 --> 01:08:40,577
We'll be able to
drink with class.
1575
01:08:40,578 --> 01:08:43,747
We don't have to be barflies
right down to the grave.
1576
01:08:43,748 --> 01:08:45,667
I didn't wanna do the movie.
1577
01:08:45,917 --> 01:08:49,129
My grandfather, my uncle,
1578
01:08:49,671 --> 01:08:51,255
and my father
1579
01:08:51,256 --> 01:08:54,842
all drank themselves to
death before they were 50.
1580
01:08:54,843 --> 01:08:58,303
You know, my father drank
himself to death at 47,
1581
01:08:58,304 --> 01:09:00,431
and I met... I only met
him for the first time
1582
01:09:00,432 --> 01:09:02,307
the year before when he was 46.
1583
01:09:02,308 --> 01:09:04,184
So, I didn't wanna do a movie
1584
01:09:04,185 --> 01:09:08,605
where I was glorifying
being an alcoholic.
1585
01:09:08,606 --> 01:09:12,776
And Barbet Schroeder chased me
from New York to LA to London.
1586
01:09:12,777 --> 01:09:14,236
And then, when I met Faye,
1587
01:09:14,237 --> 01:09:16,780
it kinda changed
my mind a little.
1588
01:09:16,781 --> 01:09:18,574
I was very in awe of her.
1589
01:09:18,575 --> 01:09:21,035
I was kind of a
little intimidated,
1590
01:09:21,036 --> 01:09:22,578
and I don't get intimidated.
1591
01:09:22,579 --> 01:09:24,997
But, she'd been somebody
I did look up to,
1592
01:09:24,998 --> 01:09:26,790
and I don't look
up to very many.
1593
01:09:26,791 --> 01:09:31,003
I had never worked with anybody
who was like a legendary hero.
1594
01:09:31,004 --> 01:09:33,298
I can't stand people.
1595
01:09:35,633 --> 01:09:37,260
I hate them.
1596
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,137
Oh, yeah?
1597
01:09:40,138 --> 01:09:43,098
What I would hear
through the grapevine,
1598
01:09:43,099 --> 01:09:45,601
"We got Faye Dunaway
and Mickey Rourke.
1599
01:09:45,602 --> 01:09:47,811
Which one of ‘em is
gonna explode first?"
1600
01:09:47,812 --> 01:09:49,646
‘Cause she had a
bit of a reputation,
1601
01:09:49,647 --> 01:09:52,024
and I, I imagine I
probably had one.
1602
01:09:52,025 --> 01:09:54,235
And people were waiting for...
1603
01:09:55,487 --> 01:09:58,448
that. And it never
fuckin' happened.
1604
01:09:58,990 --> 01:10:01,034
Pour me one, then.
1605
01:10:01,618 --> 01:10:04,453
Deglamorizing is always
interesting. You know?
1606
01:10:04,454 --> 01:10:07,331
You don't wanna play
these queens forever.
1607
01:10:07,332 --> 01:10:09,416
And to get human, to get real,
1608
01:10:09,417 --> 01:10:11,335
and, you know, I was
in very good hands
1609
01:10:11,336 --> 01:10:12,544
with Barbet Schroeder,
the director.
1610
01:10:12,545 --> 01:10:14,088
Mickey Rourke was
great to work with.
1611
01:10:14,089 --> 01:10:16,507
Very generous actor
that I liked very much.
1612
01:10:16,508 --> 01:10:18,050
But, it was a chance
for me to come back
1613
01:10:18,051 --> 01:10:20,386
in a vulnerable role as well.
1614
01:10:20,387 --> 01:10:22,304
I kept coming to
set on the testing,
1615
01:10:22,305 --> 01:10:24,014
and Barbet Schroeder,
who directed it, said,
1616
01:10:24,015 --> 01:10:26,517
"No, you still look too
good. The hair's too good."
1617
01:10:26,518 --> 01:10:28,852
So, we had to keep
working to bring it down.
1618
01:10:28,853 --> 01:10:31,188
It wasn't something
that I normally do
1619
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:33,190
but if it's right for the
role, you wanna do it,
1620
01:10:33,191 --> 01:10:34,566
and you do do it.
1621
01:10:34,567 --> 01:10:36,527
You always start from
reality, you know?
1622
01:10:36,528 --> 01:10:38,529
And I went, first of all,
to a bar on 9th Avenue
1623
01:10:38,530 --> 01:10:40,572
where the world of
the film existed,
1624
01:10:40,573 --> 01:10:41,699
down to the fights, everything.
1625
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:43,534
And the humor,
and the dancing...
1626
01:10:43,535 --> 01:10:46,036
But there was a woman
there who was very,
1627
01:10:46,037 --> 01:10:47,705
ironically, very like Wanda.
1628
01:10:47,706 --> 01:10:50,082
She had a tragedy in her life
that she never recovered from,
1629
01:10:50,083 --> 01:10:51,417
and yet she was very warm
1630
01:10:51,418 --> 01:10:53,043
and very funny and, you
know, very touching.
1631
01:10:53,044 --> 01:10:56,798
When Faye got to the set,
she was ready to go to work.
1632
01:10:57,382 --> 01:11:00,718
And so whatever I did, she
was right fucking there.
1633
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:02,262
And she was there.
1634
01:11:02,554 --> 01:11:05,055
I could see the wheels
turning in her eyes,
1635
01:11:05,056 --> 01:11:06,515
in her expression,
1636
01:11:06,516 --> 01:11:08,934
in how she delivered
her next line.
1637
01:11:08,935 --> 01:11:12,521
Nothing ever works
right in this life.
1638
01:11:12,522 --> 01:11:13,731
She would always add
1639
01:11:13,732 --> 01:11:16,233
a little different
twist to each take.
1640
01:11:16,234 --> 01:11:19,069
We call that working
moment to moment.
1641
01:11:19,070 --> 01:11:20,739
It's alright.
1642
01:11:23,533 --> 01:11:25,409
Now, you knew Terry O'Neill.
1643
01:11:25,410 --> 01:11:26,994
Oh, I knew... Terry
and I were mates.
1644
01:11:26,995 --> 01:11:30,706
Terry was never afraid to
speak what was on his mind
1645
01:11:30,707 --> 01:11:32,875
‘cause he was just
a regular guy.
1646
01:11:32,876 --> 01:11:34,335
I loved Terry.
1647
01:11:34,336 --> 01:11:35,878
How did you meet him?
1648
01:11:35,879 --> 01:11:38,256
When I met Faye, he
was there at the house.
1649
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,759
They were just at the end
of their relationship.
1650
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,761
To be honest,
1651
01:11:43,762 --> 01:11:46,597
I don't remember my
parents getting divorced.
1652
01:11:46,598 --> 01:11:48,599
You know, I was about 7
when they got divorced,
1653
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,270
so prior to their divorce,
they had been living separately
1654
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,522
in London and New
York for years.
1655
01:11:55,523 --> 01:11:58,108
So, we would kind
of go back and forth
1656
01:11:58,109 --> 01:11:59,318
and my dad would
come to New York,
1657
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:01,111
or I would go to
London with my mom.
1658
01:12:01,112 --> 01:12:05,115
But, it slowly kinda started
to dissipate over time,
1659
01:12:05,116 --> 01:12:08,619
so I probably only saw my
dad once or twice a year.
1660
01:12:08,620 --> 01:12:10,245
I would either go to London,
1661
01:12:10,246 --> 01:12:11,455
or if he was
traveling to New York,
1662
01:12:11,456 --> 01:12:13,707
I would get to see
him. So, I think,
1663
01:12:13,708 --> 01:12:16,418
even though they finally
got divorced in '87,
1664
01:12:16,419 --> 01:12:19,964
I think it was over for
a few years before that.
1665
01:12:20,715 --> 01:12:22,883
I don't know what
contributed to the divorce.
1666
01:12:22,884 --> 01:12:25,594
He was English, and I
didn't wanna live in England
1667
01:12:25,595 --> 01:12:27,054
completely. Not for full-time.
1668
01:12:27,055 --> 01:12:29,598
I love England, still.
It's a great way of life.
1669
01:12:29,599 --> 01:12:30,974
But, at a certain moment,
1670
01:12:30,975 --> 01:12:34,144
I was Faye Dunaway, and
I'm an American actress,
1671
01:12:34,145 --> 01:12:35,729
and there aren't many jobs
1672
01:12:35,730 --> 01:12:37,773
for an American
actress in England.
1673
01:12:37,774 --> 01:12:41,443
And if I don't work, I
don't feel at my best.
1674
01:12:41,444 --> 01:12:44,238
I just wanted to be
back in my country
1675
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:46,825
and performing in my way.
1676
01:12:47,826 --> 01:12:50,327
Hi!
1677
01:12:50,328 --> 01:12:52,830
We're making Faye
ready for Tel Aviv.
1678
01:12:52,831 --> 01:12:55,833
She gonna look beautiful.
1679
01:12:55,834 --> 01:12:58,168
- You're touching your hair.
- The ends of the hair.
1680
01:12:58,169 --> 01:12:59,420
Yeah, just like this.
1681
01:12:59,421 --> 01:13:01,922
- When I do this...
- Okay, you got his hands?
1682
01:13:01,923 --> 01:13:03,007
Yes.
1683
01:13:03,008 --> 01:13:05,010
That's wonderful.
1684
01:13:05,719 --> 01:13:08,512
When it comes to actresses,
1685
01:13:08,513 --> 01:13:11,974
there was really
a big difference
1686
01:13:11,975 --> 01:13:13,308
with male actor.
1687
01:13:13,309 --> 01:13:15,019
It's great.
1688
01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:16,229
This is great.
1689
01:13:16,646 --> 01:13:19,857
In fact, one of
the biggest agents
1690
01:13:19,858 --> 01:13:21,483
once said to me,
1691
01:13:21,484 --> 01:13:23,527
he would rather represent men
1692
01:13:23,528 --> 01:13:27,281
because their career
is longer than women.
1693
01:13:27,282 --> 01:13:31,076
Women, as they head into 40,
1694
01:13:31,077 --> 01:13:33,537
you're not old enough
to play a grandmother,
1695
01:13:33,538 --> 01:13:35,080
and maybe now,
1696
01:13:35,081 --> 01:13:37,041
you're thinking that
you're not young enough
1697
01:13:37,042 --> 01:13:39,586
to be a love interest.
1698
01:13:40,128 --> 01:13:41,295
I'm looking for roles
1699
01:13:41,296 --> 01:13:43,881
that just touch the real issues
1700
01:13:43,882 --> 01:13:47,092
and the real feelings
that women have,
1701
01:13:47,093 --> 01:13:49,428
rather than this very
covered up, controlled,
1702
01:13:49,429 --> 01:13:51,847
exterior kind of persona.
1703
01:13:51,848 --> 01:13:53,807
And I felt that, um,
1704
01:13:53,808 --> 01:13:55,559
you know, having lived
in London for eight years
1705
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,228
and being away from
my home, basically,
1706
01:13:58,229 --> 01:14:01,440
and I really was seeking and...
1707
01:14:01,441 --> 01:14:04,860
I'm developing roles of my
own, now that I'm producing.
1708
01:14:04,861 --> 01:14:08,405
I'm really looking for
women that are funny,
1709
01:14:08,406 --> 01:14:10,199
are vulnerable, are complex,
1710
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,660
and that I have a chance to
develop all of those areas.
1711
01:14:13,661 --> 01:14:16,413
I wanted to start to
initiate my own projects,
1712
01:14:16,414 --> 01:14:19,750
and so I moved to
California in that time.
1713
01:14:19,751 --> 01:14:23,379
I lived on Linda Crest
Drive in Beverly Hills
1714
01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:25,297
with a white house, very pretty.
1715
01:14:25,298 --> 01:14:26,924
It has to do with producing,
1716
01:14:26,925 --> 01:14:28,467
you know, because this is a town
1717
01:14:28,468 --> 01:14:30,928
where, in fact, all the
business actually takes place.
1718
01:14:30,929 --> 01:14:32,346
And I kind of find
that interesting.
1719
01:14:32,347 --> 01:14:34,765
It's a, it's a community.
1720
01:14:34,766 --> 01:14:36,934
Kate Capshaw And now,
our final presenter.
1721
01:14:36,935 --> 01:14:40,939
Please let me introduce
the legendary Faye Dunaway.
1722
01:14:45,485 --> 01:14:47,111
There's a river of tradition
1723
01:14:47,112 --> 01:14:49,947
that runs through this
industry, and through time,
1724
01:14:49,948 --> 01:14:52,991
of actresses who take
on roles that challenge
1725
01:14:52,992 --> 01:14:56,787
the conventional wisdom
about who a woman is.
1726
01:14:56,788 --> 01:14:59,249
And Sharon Stone has done that.
1727
01:14:59,582 --> 01:15:04,420
Sharon, I salute you,
admire you, and love you.
1728
01:15:04,421 --> 01:15:06,922
I met Faye at a photo shoot,
1729
01:15:06,923 --> 01:15:08,799
pre the release of
"Basic Instinct,"
1730
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,426
doing all the press for it.
1731
01:15:10,427 --> 01:15:11,927
And I said,
1732
01:15:11,928 --> 01:15:14,972
"May I watch you do
your photo shoot?"
1733
01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:18,100
And she said, "Sure, kid,
just stay outta my eyeline."
1734
01:15:18,101 --> 01:15:20,436
So, I stayed off to the side,
1735
01:15:20,437 --> 01:15:24,440
and I watched her,
and she was so good.
1736
01:15:24,441 --> 01:15:26,066
She was so professional,
1737
01:15:26,067 --> 01:15:29,153
and, I mean, she's
just so beautiful.
1738
01:15:29,154 --> 01:15:30,654
And we really just hit it off.
1739
01:15:30,655 --> 01:15:32,031
She was just so willing
1740
01:15:32,032 --> 01:15:35,659
to allow me the
opportunity to know her,
1741
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:39,663
to learn from her, to
understand her experience.
1742
01:15:39,664 --> 01:15:43,042
And she offered me a friendship
1743
01:15:43,043 --> 01:15:45,252
that I hadn't expected
1744
01:15:45,253 --> 01:15:47,171
from someone of her stature.
1745
01:15:47,172 --> 01:15:48,797
You always try to give back.
1746
01:15:48,798 --> 01:15:51,592
If you know what you're
doing, you need to share it.
1747
01:15:51,593 --> 01:15:54,136
You need to give it back
to the people that need it
1748
01:15:54,137 --> 01:15:56,764
and that deserve it. I
feel strongly about that.
1749
01:15:56,765 --> 01:15:58,724
It was a good feeling
to help Sharon
1750
01:15:58,725 --> 01:16:01,810
and we are still good
friends to this day.
1751
01:16:01,811 --> 01:16:03,562
I like the tent,
1752
01:16:03,563 --> 01:16:05,356
but wouldn't drapes
have been simpler?
1753
01:16:05,357 --> 01:16:07,316
We got termites.
1754
01:16:07,317 --> 01:16:08,734
But, you're a carpenter.
1755
01:16:08,735 --> 01:16:11,071
I guess they wanted a
really well-built meal.
1756
01:16:12,238 --> 01:16:14,281
Robert Urich and I
wanted to do a sitcom
1757
01:16:14,282 --> 01:16:17,993
called "It Had To Be You." It
was my first venture, foray,
1758
01:16:17,994 --> 01:16:20,287
into this sitcom,
which is comedy.
1759
01:16:20,288 --> 01:16:21,997
Which wasn't my
cup of tea, really.
1760
01:16:21,998 --> 01:16:23,707
I mean, I'm not a
comedic actress.
1761
01:16:23,708 --> 01:16:24,833
I'm a...
1762
01:16:24,834 --> 01:16:27,044
down and dirty, very
dramatic actress.
1763
01:16:27,045 --> 01:16:29,171
But I wanted to
have a try at it.
1764
01:16:29,172 --> 01:16:31,715
She was way ahead of
the pack in saying,
1765
01:16:31,716 --> 01:16:33,050
"You know what? I
wanna go do television.
1766
01:16:33,051 --> 01:16:35,844
"I wanna go do something
commercial and funny,
1767
01:16:35,845 --> 01:16:37,888
"and have a place to go
to work for, you know,
1768
01:16:37,889 --> 01:16:40,432
eight or nine months a year
and then have my time off."
1769
01:16:40,433 --> 01:16:43,394
And she could go off and do
something small and independent
1770
01:16:43,395 --> 01:16:44,603
and do something on television,
1771
01:16:44,604 --> 01:16:45,813
and she could go
back to the theater,
1772
01:16:45,814 --> 01:16:47,272
but she had options.
1773
01:16:47,273 --> 01:16:49,733
But, when it came to films, I
think she chose really well.
1774
01:16:49,734 --> 01:16:52,611
She makes this film
with Emir Kusturica
1775
01:16:52,612 --> 01:16:54,405
called "Arizona Dream."
1776
01:16:54,406 --> 01:16:56,573
It is a surreal adventure
1777
01:16:56,574 --> 01:16:59,576
in which she costars
with Johnny Depp.
1778
01:16:59,577 --> 01:17:02,830
And it's not implausible
that his character
1779
01:17:02,831 --> 01:17:06,166
is romantically drawn
to this older woman.
1780
01:17:06,167 --> 01:17:07,459
Johnny Depp is a prince,
1781
01:17:07,460 --> 01:17:09,336
and I worked with him twice.
1782
01:17:09,337 --> 01:17:11,463
First was "Arizona Dream,"
1783
01:17:11,464 --> 01:17:12,673
and then after that, we did
1784
01:17:12,674 --> 01:17:15,759
"Don Juan DeMarco"
with Marlon Brando.
1785
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,636
It was movies like "The Chamber"
1786
01:17:17,637 --> 01:17:19,930
with Gene Hackman
and Chris O'Donnell,
1787
01:17:19,931 --> 01:17:22,725
and "Gia" with Angelina
Jolie that was done for HBO
1788
01:17:22,726 --> 01:17:24,143
and she won the Golden Globe.
1789
01:17:24,144 --> 01:17:26,645
This means an enormous
amount to me tonight,
1790
01:17:26,646 --> 01:17:28,105
and I was completely thrown
1791
01:17:28,106 --> 01:17:30,149
because I really
didn't expect to win.
1792
01:17:30,150 --> 01:17:33,277
I... I don't know why.
You know, I mean...
1793
01:17:33,278 --> 01:17:35,654
But, the point is I'm
really grateful that I did,
1794
01:17:35,655 --> 01:17:37,948
and it means a lot because
I'm struggling, too.
1795
01:17:37,949 --> 01:17:40,743
And I'm trying... I'm putting
my own projects together.
1796
01:17:40,744 --> 01:17:43,954
By the '90s, you're getting
a lot of younger filmmakers
1797
01:17:43,955 --> 01:17:45,622
who'd been through film
school in the '80s,
1798
01:17:45,623 --> 01:17:47,458
and, of course, they've
grown up, like I was,
1799
01:17:47,459 --> 01:17:49,209
on '70s films.
1800
01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:51,628
So, I'm sure James Gray is
like, "Are you kidding me?
1801
01:17:51,629 --> 01:17:53,922
Like, I would get to
direct Faye Dunaway?"
1802
01:17:53,923 --> 01:17:56,217
Don't you know what
he does for Frank?
1803
01:17:57,635 --> 01:17:59,679
What?
1804
01:18:00,555 --> 01:18:03,390
How do you think he gets the money
for all the things he buys you?
1805
01:18:03,391 --> 01:18:05,768
There were some
actors in their 20s,
1806
01:18:05,769 --> 01:18:08,479
Mark Wahlberg, Charlize
Theron, and Joaquin Phoenix,
1807
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,190
and then there were the sort
of older group of actors,
1808
01:18:11,191 --> 01:18:13,567
James Caan, Faye
Dunaway, Ellen Burstyn,
1809
01:18:13,568 --> 01:18:15,986
who were the sort of
'70s heroes that I had.
1810
01:18:15,987 --> 01:18:17,988
It was so great because I
remember the younger actors
1811
01:18:17,989 --> 01:18:21,658
always looking to the older
actor to learn something.
1812
01:18:21,659 --> 01:18:23,786
"The Yards" was unique
1813
01:18:23,787 --> 01:18:25,704
because it had,
like, two generations
1814
01:18:25,705 --> 01:18:29,041
and so it was kind of a
congregational sort of thing
1815
01:18:29,042 --> 01:18:32,002
where the two generations
intermingled with each other.
1816
01:18:32,003 --> 01:18:35,673
Gray was a wonderful director,
so that was a good experience.
1817
01:18:35,674 --> 01:18:37,007
It was incredibly intimidating,
1818
01:18:37,008 --> 01:18:39,718
but they were terrific with me.
1819
01:18:39,719 --> 01:18:42,513
Whatever reputation that
she had in some ways
1820
01:18:42,514 --> 01:18:45,140
is also a comment
on how women are,
1821
01:18:45,141 --> 01:18:48,018
in some ways, treated and judged
1822
01:18:48,019 --> 01:18:50,772
on a very different
scale than men.
1823
01:18:51,064 --> 01:18:54,692
So yeah, her story is
tremendously relevant.
1824
01:18:54,693 --> 01:18:56,694
She directed a short film
1825
01:18:56,695 --> 01:18:58,697
which I thought was quite
good. "Yellow Bird."
1826
01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:01,615
It was adapted from
Tennessee Williams,
1827
01:19:01,616 --> 01:19:03,826
Williams himself
did the voiceover,
1828
01:19:03,827 --> 01:19:07,121
and it was shown at the
2001 Cannes Film Festival.
1829
01:19:07,122 --> 01:19:10,833
So, she wasn't just
a screen divinity.
1830
01:19:10,834 --> 01:19:13,043
She was a hard-working
stage actress,
1831
01:19:13,044 --> 01:19:16,046
a screen actress, a
director of a short film,
1832
01:19:16,047 --> 01:19:18,173
and somebody who could
play Maria Callas.
1833
01:19:18,174 --> 01:19:20,551
She is currently
enjoying, uh, her role
1834
01:19:20,552 --> 01:19:21,844
in the stage play "Master Class"
1835
01:19:21,845 --> 01:19:24,179
at the Doolittle Theater
here in Los Angeles
1836
01:19:24,180 --> 01:19:25,347
through July 13th.
1837
01:19:25,348 --> 01:19:27,641
Getting great reviews
and standing ovations
1838
01:19:27,642 --> 01:19:29,435
when it comes to an end
for the curtain call.
1839
01:19:29,436 --> 01:19:31,979
Faye, welcome back and
thanks for coming to CBS.
1840
01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:35,232
"Master Class" is about,
uh, the great Maria Callas,
1841
01:19:35,233 --> 01:19:37,985
when she taught
voice at Juilliard.
1842
01:19:37,986 --> 01:19:40,696
Yes. There was a
moment in her life,
1843
01:19:40,697 --> 01:19:42,364
late in her career,
1844
01:19:42,365 --> 01:19:43,574
early 50s she was,
1845
01:19:43,575 --> 01:19:46,118
where she held some
held some very famous
1846
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:48,954
and well-attended master
classes at Juilliard.
1847
01:19:48,955 --> 01:19:50,998
And everybody from
Tennessee Williams
1848
01:19:50,999 --> 01:19:53,542
to Leonard Bernstein was there.
1849
01:19:53,543 --> 01:19:57,755
No applause! We're
here to work.
1850
01:19:57,756 --> 01:20:00,049
You're not in a theater.
This is a classroom.
1851
01:20:00,050 --> 01:20:03,845
No folderol. This
is a master class.
1852
01:20:04,179 --> 01:20:06,472
I saw the play in Los Angeles
1853
01:20:06,473 --> 01:20:08,557
when she was here,
1854
01:20:08,558 --> 01:20:10,976
and Faye transformed
to that character.
1855
01:20:10,977 --> 01:20:13,729
‘Cause if you look at both of
them, they don't look alike.
1856
01:20:13,730 --> 01:20:17,107
But, on the stage,
you saw Maria Callas.
1857
01:20:17,108 --> 01:20:19,276
So, she did the
play to begin with,
1858
01:20:19,277 --> 01:20:21,945
and then she bought the
rights after the play
1859
01:20:21,946 --> 01:20:23,447
to option and do the movie.
1860
01:20:23,448 --> 01:20:25,449
Isn't it tough to take
something from the stage
1861
01:20:25,450 --> 01:20:26,742
and put it on the screen?
1862
01:20:26,743 --> 01:20:29,912
Not really. So many plays have
become, "Crimes of the Heart..."
1863
01:20:29,913 --> 01:20:31,747
Oh, right. Uh, uh, "Driving
Miss Daisy" became...
1864
01:20:31,748 --> 01:20:33,540
"Driving Miss Daisy" was
a great, great movie,
1865
01:20:33,541 --> 01:20:35,376
and it was... I actually
saw that on stage as well.
1866
01:20:35,377 --> 01:20:37,211
No, you-you do what's
called "opening it up."
1867
01:20:37,212 --> 01:20:39,046
I think this movie
probably oughta...
1868
01:20:39,047 --> 01:20:41,590
definitely oughta stay very true
to what McNally has written.
1869
01:20:41,591 --> 01:20:44,760
When it comes to work,
my mom gets obsessed.
1870
01:20:44,761 --> 01:20:46,845
She wanted to tackle it all.
1871
01:20:46,846 --> 01:20:50,057
Writing it, directing
it, and being in it,
1872
01:20:50,058 --> 01:20:51,392
playing Maria Callas.
1873
01:20:51,393 --> 01:20:56,105
A career in the theater
demands total concentration.
1874
01:20:56,106 --> 01:20:58,899
100% detail.
1875
01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:00,818
The film eventually
got some financing,
1876
01:21:00,819 --> 01:21:03,987
and they started shooting
in Pontiac, Michigan
1877
01:21:03,988 --> 01:21:06,115
for two or three months,
1878
01:21:06,116 --> 01:21:07,366
and then they had to shut down
1879
01:21:07,367 --> 01:21:09,660
because the money
was running out.
1880
01:21:09,661 --> 01:21:11,662
So, I came in and
helped take over
1881
01:21:11,663 --> 01:21:13,247
all the things that
needed to be done
1882
01:21:13,248 --> 01:21:16,000
to maybe kinda get the
production back on track.
1883
01:21:16,001 --> 01:21:19,920
But, it was too far gone.
The money just dried up.
1884
01:21:19,921 --> 01:21:23,340
As much as it was a
passion project for her,
1885
01:21:23,341 --> 01:21:27,302
you have to be realistic
at a certain point
1886
01:21:27,303 --> 01:21:28,762
and shut down.
1887
01:21:28,763 --> 01:21:30,806
Very devastating.
1888
01:21:30,807 --> 01:21:33,851
I was in pieces for
quite some time.
1889
01:21:33,852 --> 01:21:37,229
You know, locked up in my
room, going to analysis.
1890
01:21:37,230 --> 01:21:39,023
It's just when you
have a dream like that,
1891
01:21:39,024 --> 01:21:40,649
and you've worked
on it for so long,
1892
01:21:40,650 --> 01:21:44,236
I knew what-what it was about.
I knew what she was about.
1893
01:21:44,237 --> 01:21:46,030
But, I wanted too
much for myself.
1894
01:21:46,031 --> 01:21:48,699
I should have set it up
and got a good director
1895
01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:49,992
and I would act in it.
1896
01:21:49,993 --> 01:21:51,869
But, I wanted too
much at that time.
1897
01:21:51,870 --> 01:21:54,289
So, it was a mistake.
1898
01:22:03,381 --> 01:22:07,551
Eventually, you decided to
move back to New York City.
1899
01:22:07,552 --> 01:22:09,386
What is it about New York?
1900
01:22:09,387 --> 01:22:11,388
Well, it's always been my city.
1901
01:22:11,389 --> 01:22:13,724
You know? I mean, I remember
when I first hit New York
1902
01:22:13,725 --> 01:22:15,809
as a young Southern
girl, you know,
1903
01:22:15,810 --> 01:22:18,896
and standing off that curb and
putting your hand up for a taxi
1904
01:22:18,897 --> 01:22:20,189
and the pace of it.
1905
01:22:20,190 --> 01:22:22,816
You can't duplicate
that anywhere.
1906
01:22:22,817 --> 01:22:24,610
And LA is much more laid back.
1907
01:22:24,611 --> 01:22:26,904
I like the energy of New York.
1908
01:22:26,905 --> 01:22:28,907
So, that's why I moved back.
1909
01:22:29,407 --> 01:22:31,617
My mom hadn't worked
for a period of time,
1910
01:22:31,618 --> 01:22:34,912
and she really wanted
to get back into it
1911
01:22:34,913 --> 01:22:36,163
‘cause acting was her passion.
1912
01:22:36,164 --> 01:22:38,707
And my mom has always
loved the theater.
1913
01:22:38,708 --> 01:22:39,958
That's, like, her first passion.
1914
01:22:39,959 --> 01:22:42,461
So, I presented the
play "Tea at Five,"
1915
01:22:42,462 --> 01:22:45,172
where my mom would be
playing Katharine Hepburn.
1916
01:22:45,173 --> 01:22:48,926
And at first, she was
very excited to do it.
1917
01:22:48,927 --> 01:22:50,969
I felt like I needed to do it
1918
01:22:50,970 --> 01:22:53,764
for the experience
back on the stage,
1919
01:22:53,765 --> 01:22:56,016
but I didn't feel
I was right for it
1920
01:22:56,017 --> 01:22:58,936
because Katharine
Hepburn's New England,
1921
01:22:58,937 --> 01:23:00,145
and I'm from the South,
1922
01:23:00,146 --> 01:23:02,439
and so such a
different sensibility
1923
01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:06,443
that I was worried about my
being able to really play it.
1924
01:23:06,444 --> 01:23:08,779
And it began to make me
more and more irritated.
1925
01:23:08,780 --> 01:23:10,781
And I, I'm pretty
sure... I know,
1926
01:23:10,782 --> 01:23:13,283
that was the bipolar kicking in.
1927
01:23:13,284 --> 01:23:15,953
It was one of those things
where she didn't wanna quit,
1928
01:23:15,954 --> 01:23:17,830
but, at the same time,
she didn't wanna do it.
1929
01:23:17,831 --> 01:23:21,625
Slowly, as the shows went on,
she started losing her temper.
1930
01:23:21,626 --> 01:23:23,210
She started acting out.
1931
01:23:23,211 --> 01:23:25,462
Her demons kind of
got a hold of her
1932
01:23:25,463 --> 01:23:28,173
and she was fired from
it, and they cancelled it,
1933
01:23:28,174 --> 01:23:30,969
and it just... That was that.
1934
01:23:31,386 --> 01:23:33,220
The erratic behavior.
1935
01:23:33,221 --> 01:23:37,224
That's down to these
biological, physical realities.
1936
01:23:37,225 --> 01:23:39,811
It's the sensitivity, and
it's something that...
1937
01:23:40,311 --> 01:23:42,271
is just a part of my makeup.
1938
01:23:42,272 --> 01:23:44,106
Thank God that
there is medication
1939
01:23:44,107 --> 01:23:45,566
and there's...
there are studies
1940
01:23:45,567 --> 01:23:47,609
and there are doctors
who deal with this.
1941
01:23:47,610 --> 01:23:50,362
And I've been able
to benefit from that.
1942
01:23:50,363 --> 01:23:52,322
But, the medication is crucial,
1943
01:23:52,323 --> 01:23:54,742
and without it, you fall
back into, you know,
1944
01:23:54,743 --> 01:23:57,954
what is there psychologically
and biologically.
1945
01:23:58,955 --> 01:24:02,541
For me, I've dealt with
that so much over my life.
1946
01:24:02,542 --> 01:24:05,002
I mean, even now, I
can pick up the phone,
1947
01:24:05,003 --> 01:24:07,212
and if she's just a
little bit off, I'm like,
1948
01:24:07,213 --> 01:24:09,465
"Have you taken your medicine
today?" And she's like,
1949
01:24:09,466 --> 01:24:11,508
"Oh, I don't know. Lemme
check. Oh, no, I haven't."
1950
01:24:11,509 --> 01:24:13,887
Now, for me, it's like
pinpoint accuracy.
1951
01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:16,388
I'm much happier now.
1952
01:24:16,389 --> 01:24:18,223
I feel better about things,
1953
01:24:18,224 --> 01:24:20,267
and I, I think the
better you feel,
1954
01:24:20,268 --> 01:24:24,022
the more you're gonna be able
to do work that is meaningful.
1955
01:24:29,861 --> 01:24:33,947
I actually see Faye
Dunaway from time to time
1956
01:24:33,948 --> 01:24:36,618
because we work out
at the same gym.
1957
01:24:37,702 --> 01:24:39,995
So, I have seen her lately.
1958
01:24:39,996 --> 01:24:42,331
She works hard.
She looks great.
1959
01:24:42,332 --> 01:24:45,250
She really does take seriously
1960
01:24:45,251 --> 01:24:47,252
taking care of herself
1961
01:24:47,253 --> 01:24:51,006
and looking, frankly, quite
magnificent at her age.
1962
01:24:51,007 --> 01:24:53,050
Which is why I think
that there's still more
1963
01:24:53,051 --> 01:24:56,012
that this legendary
actress has to offer.
1964
01:24:59,557 --> 01:25:02,559
Since I was very young,
we always went to Cannes.
1965
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,229
We went every single
year. My mom loves Cannes.
1966
01:25:05,230 --> 01:25:07,773
She loves France. She
loves the French people.
1967
01:25:07,774 --> 01:25:10,693
And she becomes like a whole different
person when she's over there.
1968
01:25:10,694 --> 01:25:13,904
A lot happier, full of life,
1969
01:25:13,905 --> 01:25:16,865
and she was almost shocked
1970
01:25:16,866 --> 01:25:19,910
when they wanted her to
be the face of Cannes.
1971
01:25:19,911 --> 01:25:21,412
It was the greatest
honor for her
1972
01:25:21,413 --> 01:25:23,038
just because she just
loves going over there.
1973
01:25:23,039 --> 01:25:24,164
This is my festival
1974
01:25:24,165 --> 01:25:26,625
that I always go to
learn filmmaking,
1975
01:25:26,626 --> 01:25:29,795
and to have my face
there is very humbling,
1976
01:25:29,796 --> 01:25:33,925
and it's very much an honor,
and I'm very grateful.
1977
01:25:34,092 --> 01:25:36,301
Jerry Schatzberg
took that picture
1978
01:25:36,302 --> 01:25:39,013
and with the big banner
up over the Palais,
1979
01:25:39,014 --> 01:25:42,099
it was a great thing that
Cannes did that year for him
1980
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:43,267
and for me.
1981
01:25:43,268 --> 01:25:44,268
It was very nice.
1982
01:25:44,269 --> 01:25:45,686
I come to see the films.
1983
01:25:45,687 --> 01:25:47,896
It's the best films in the
world at a given moment.
1984
01:25:47,897 --> 01:25:49,106
The funny thing about my mom
1985
01:25:49,107 --> 01:25:51,734
is no matter how bad things get,
1986
01:25:51,735 --> 01:25:53,986
when the lights and
the camera come on,
1987
01:25:53,987 --> 01:25:56,280
there's no questioning it.
You know, I think she feels
1988
01:25:56,281 --> 01:25:57,991
like she's in her 30s again.
1989
01:25:58,700 --> 01:26:00,743
They were showing
"Bonnie and Clyde"
1990
01:26:00,744 --> 01:26:04,455
in Cannes in one of those
retrospective thing.
1991
01:26:04,456 --> 01:26:07,541
And seeing it again,
"Bonnie and Clyde"
1992
01:26:07,542 --> 01:26:11,128
was just as exciting and amazing
1993
01:26:11,129 --> 01:26:13,798
as when you saw it
for the first time.
1994
01:26:17,427 --> 01:26:20,512
So, at the end of it,
when the lights go up,
1995
01:26:20,513 --> 01:26:24,350
she turns to her son,
Liam, and she said, "So?
1996
01:26:24,351 --> 01:26:26,353
Now, you're proud
of your mother?"
1997
01:26:26,644 --> 01:26:30,939
And he said, "I'm always
proud of you, Mom."
1998
01:26:30,940 --> 01:26:33,693
That was really
touching, honestly.
1999
01:26:35,028 --> 01:26:37,071
When someone gets sick
2000
01:26:37,072 --> 01:26:39,740
or is unable to take
care of themselves,
2001
01:26:39,741 --> 01:26:43,077
it falls upon someone
who's close to them
2002
01:26:43,078 --> 01:26:45,162
in order to help them.
2003
01:26:45,163 --> 01:26:47,998
And when she has
her fits of mania,
2004
01:26:47,999 --> 01:26:50,000
or her depression,
or her bipolar,
2005
01:26:50,001 --> 01:26:51,460
it comes out in this mood.
2006
01:26:51,461 --> 01:26:54,838
You see it. It's almost
like "Mommie Dearest."
2007
01:26:54,839 --> 01:26:56,257
She just has that energy.
2008
01:26:56,675 --> 01:27:00,260
I fought worse monsters than
you for years in Hollywood!
2009
01:27:00,261 --> 01:27:02,471
I know how to win the hard way!
2010
01:27:02,472 --> 01:27:04,515
When she goes into, like,
our lawyer's office,
2011
01:27:04,516 --> 01:27:06,350
it switches to "Network,"
where she's like,
2012
01:27:06,351 --> 01:27:08,936
"I know what I'm talking
about, this is how it's done."
2013
01:27:08,937 --> 01:27:11,063
I'll be in LA until Saturday,
2014
01:27:11,064 --> 01:27:12,940
and I'd like to get it rolling.
2015
01:27:12,941 --> 01:27:16,151
And I think you have to
ask yourself this question:
2016
01:27:16,152 --> 01:27:19,655
If she wasn't in so much pain,
2017
01:27:19,656 --> 01:27:22,700
would she have been that
good? Which then, in turn,
2018
01:27:22,701 --> 01:27:26,371
wouldn't have made her be
able to touch people acting.
2019
01:27:27,038 --> 01:27:29,540
You gotta take the good with the
bad. You know? That's just life.
2020
01:27:29,541 --> 01:27:32,960
- Here he is!
- Hi! Hi! How are you doing?
2021
01:27:32,961 --> 01:27:35,546
Hang on. Gotta
hold him properly.
2022
01:27:35,547 --> 01:27:37,548
My favorite thing in my life
2023
01:27:37,549 --> 01:27:40,342
is my son. It's
always been him first.
2024
01:27:40,343 --> 01:27:42,302
And my grandson.
2025
01:27:42,303 --> 01:27:44,013
Those are my refuge.
Those are the things
2026
01:27:44,014 --> 01:27:45,723
that I hang on to and cling to
2027
01:27:45,724 --> 01:27:46,974
more than anything.
2028
01:27:46,975 --> 01:27:50,269
Also, in closing, my, my son.
2029
01:27:50,270 --> 01:27:51,687
I'd like to thank him.
2030
01:27:51,688 --> 01:27:54,065
Liam, you're the best.
And thank you all.
2031
01:27:55,608 --> 01:27:59,403
She started off
as a normal person
2032
01:27:59,404 --> 01:28:01,780
trying to be famous,
2033
01:28:01,781 --> 01:28:05,493
and is ending as a famous
person trying to be normal.
2034
01:28:09,372 --> 01:28:11,373
I'm definitely Faye Dunaway.
2035
01:28:11,374 --> 01:28:12,750
That's who I am.
2036
01:28:12,751 --> 01:28:15,419
And the Dorothy Faye is in
the background somewhere.
2037
01:28:15,420 --> 01:28:18,464
That's the child
persona that was there.
2038
01:28:18,465 --> 01:28:20,549
I certainly kind of like that.
2039
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:24,095
The Faye Dunaway is the
surface, I suppose. The shell.
2040
01:28:28,808 --> 01:28:32,645
But, still, my deepest
soul is Dorothy Faye.