1 00:00:29,739 --> 00:00:30,740 Got a picture? 2 00:00:30,740 --> 00:00:34,035 Sopranos fever here probably reached a peak last July 3 00:00:34,035 --> 00:00:36,662 when 14,000 wiseguy wannabes 4 00:00:36,662 --> 00:00:38,998 answered the show's open casting call 5 00:00:38,998 --> 00:00:42,335 in decidedly unglamorous Harrison, New Jersey. 6 00:00:42,335 --> 00:00:45,963 Crowd estimates ranging from 10,000 to 25,000. 7 00:00:46,589 --> 00:00:48,466 This was after the first season. 8 00:00:48,466 --> 00:00:50,968 The line was all the way out to the freeway. 9 00:00:50,968 --> 00:00:54,889 And it was ridiculous. 10 00:00:54,889 --> 00:00:57,475 - Keep it moving, folks. - Ladies, step forward. 11 00:00:57,475 --> 00:00:59,602 Apparently, the word got around. 12 00:00:59,602 --> 00:01:01,562 Just bring your eight-by-ten photo to Jersey. 13 00:01:01,562 --> 00:01:03,648 There are policemen, firemen, teachers here. 14 00:01:03,648 --> 00:01:05,274 Who wouldn't want fame and fortune? 15 00:01:05,274 --> 00:01:06,609 I'll tell you one thing. 16 00:01:06,609 --> 00:01:08,403 I am right for this part on The Sopranos. 17 00:01:08,403 --> 00:01:11,614 You can't get more Italian than this. They don't make them like that. 18 00:01:11,614 --> 00:01:15,243 My friend and I, we got all dressed up and, like, 19 00:01:15,243 --> 00:01:18,413 there were 482,000 people ahead of us. 20 00:01:18,413 --> 00:01:20,665 I don't know if we got much of a chance now. 21 00:01:23,334 --> 00:01:24,252 Leave the area! 22 00:01:24,252 --> 00:01:27,255 You are subject to arrest if you don't leave the area. 23 00:01:27,255 --> 00:01:30,133 The Harrison police, concerned about public safety, 24 00:01:30,133 --> 00:01:31,426 closed down the audition. 25 00:01:31,426 --> 00:01:34,345 It's over! 26 00:01:34,345 --> 00:01:36,472 So most of this mob had to be content 27 00:01:36,472 --> 00:01:38,391 with just dropping their picture in the bin 28 00:01:38,391 --> 00:01:39,600 and taking their chances. 29 00:01:40,643 --> 00:01:43,187 We found Ginny Sack in that group. 30 00:01:43,187 --> 00:01:45,732 She had gone later to the same high school I went to. 31 00:01:45,732 --> 00:01:47,900 She was a beautician, never acted. 32 00:01:49,652 --> 00:01:50,903 What the hell is this? 33 00:01:50,903 --> 00:01:53,406 I was dizzy. I was having low blood sugar. 34 00:01:53,406 --> 00:01:55,158 What happened to the fruit salad? 35 00:01:55,158 --> 00:01:57,201 You were supposed to quit smoking and didn't. 36 00:01:57,201 --> 00:01:58,953 Nicotine is an addictive substance! 37 00:01:58,953 --> 00:02:01,289 What's wrong? Why are you yelling at me? 38 00:02:01,289 --> 00:02:02,874 You never doubted her for a second. 39 00:02:02,874 --> 00:02:05,793 I know I've gained weight these last few years. 40 00:02:06,836 --> 00:02:09,547 I see the other wives, the way men look at them. 41 00:02:10,423 --> 00:02:12,175 Don't I look at you like that? 42 00:02:14,010 --> 00:02:15,303 Haven't I always? 43 00:02:16,512 --> 00:02:17,555 I love you. 44 00:02:19,891 --> 00:02:21,267 As time went on, 45 00:02:21,267 --> 00:02:23,311 I began to realize that the audience 46 00:02:23,311 --> 00:02:25,730 did break down into two different types. 47 00:02:25,730 --> 00:02:29,358 There was one part that were looking for a serial drama, 48 00:02:30,109 --> 00:02:31,569 and then there was the group 49 00:02:31,569 --> 00:02:33,279 that was called 50 00:02:33,279 --> 00:02:34,614 "Less Yakking, More Whacking." 51 00:02:44,999 --> 00:02:47,919 In the show, it wasn't an easy tone in the sense that 52 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,129 it alternated light and dark, 53 00:02:50,129 --> 00:02:52,340 so you had to be prepared for either one to happen 54 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:53,883 anywhere around the corner. 55 00:02:53,883 --> 00:02:57,345 Well, I mean, I guess something that's really important to me 56 00:02:57,345 --> 00:02:59,472 is the darkness mixed with humor. 57 00:02:59,472 --> 00:03:02,767 And when I think about that, I think about myself 58 00:03:02,767 --> 00:03:04,936 as a kid going to my first funerals, 59 00:03:04,936 --> 00:03:07,688 seeing my grandfather dead in the coffin 60 00:03:07,688 --> 00:03:10,066 and hearing some lunatic conversation, 61 00:03:10,650 --> 00:03:13,319 some stupid thing that one of my aunts was saying. 62 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:16,072 You think, "What are you talking about? 63 00:03:16,072 --> 00:03:18,866 There's your father lying there in a casket." 64 00:03:18,866 --> 00:03:21,619 As a writer, that made an impression on me. 65 00:03:21,619 --> 00:03:24,163 Look at her like that. Mariolina. 66 00:03:24,163 --> 00:03:27,250 Gave me my first hand job, me and Vincent Maniscalco 67 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:29,585 in the alley behind the chicken market. 68 00:03:29,585 --> 00:03:30,670 Junior? 69 00:03:30,670 --> 00:03:32,714 God, what am I saying at this poor woman's wake? 70 00:03:33,297 --> 00:03:34,132 Let's go. 71 00:03:35,842 --> 00:03:37,802 I would say this about The Sopranos, 72 00:03:37,802 --> 00:03:41,431 is that I really don't know whether it was a drama or a comedy. 73 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,559 For example, Tony Sirico. 74 00:03:45,893 --> 00:03:48,020 He was a serious gangster actor, 75 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:50,857 but the comedy just started to come forward. 76 00:03:50,857 --> 00:03:52,316 Oh, motherfucker! 77 00:03:52,316 --> 00:03:55,069 This absurdity, which was partly him. 78 00:03:55,987 --> 00:03:56,863 Please! 79 00:03:56,863 --> 00:03:58,948 Fucking poison ivy all over. 80 00:03:59,949 --> 00:04:01,451 I was born in Brooklyn. 81 00:04:01,451 --> 00:04:03,995 I grew up on the streets. I still got cement in my shoes. 82 00:04:03,995 --> 00:04:06,539 So, you know, I'm well aware of the life. 83 00:04:06,539 --> 00:04:08,499 And I know a lot of guys involved in this life. 84 00:04:08,499 --> 00:04:10,793 I can feel it itching me already. 85 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,423 He didn't wear makeup because he would go to tanning booths. 86 00:04:16,591 --> 00:04:18,801 Like that, you know, he's got that reflector thing 87 00:04:18,801 --> 00:04:20,803 getting tanned? That was really Tony. 88 00:04:20,803 --> 00:04:22,221 Tony always had a tan. 89 00:04:22,972 --> 00:04:25,683 I think my character acts like me, personally. 90 00:04:25,683 --> 00:04:27,852 But don't tell nobody. 91 00:04:28,644 --> 00:04:30,813 You realize by the time Caitlyn's out of college, 92 00:04:30,813 --> 00:04:33,441 it'll be, like, the year 2027 or something? 93 00:04:33,441 --> 00:04:36,319 She takes after you, she won't be out of fourth grade by then. 94 00:04:38,529 --> 00:04:40,573 - What are you doing? - Nothing. 95 00:04:42,366 --> 00:04:43,618 And cut! 96 00:04:43,618 --> 00:04:45,036 Very nice. Check it, please. 97 00:04:45,036 --> 00:04:46,871 Tony Sirico was very fastidious 98 00:04:46,871 --> 00:04:49,373 and very particular about how he looked. 99 00:04:49,373 --> 00:04:50,917 No one could touch his hair. 100 00:04:50,917 --> 00:04:53,836 There were no hair people allowed to touch his hair. 101 00:04:53,836 --> 00:04:55,171 He told me the whole system. 102 00:04:55,171 --> 00:04:56,881 He would get up at three in the morning, 103 00:04:56,881 --> 00:04:59,300 read his lines, comb his hair, 104 00:04:59,300 --> 00:05:02,095 spray the spray in the air, the mist would settle, 105 00:05:02,095 --> 00:05:03,513 and he'd do it a few times 106 00:05:03,513 --> 00:05:05,556 until it was shellacked and ready to go. 107 00:05:05,556 --> 00:05:06,641 The fuck you doing? 108 00:05:07,392 --> 00:05:09,685 - You think we're digging? - We're doing "Pine Barrens." 109 00:05:09,685 --> 00:05:12,021 That's right, shithead, get to work. 110 00:05:13,272 --> 00:05:15,024 I know the ground's kind of hard, 111 00:05:15,024 --> 00:05:17,193 but give it some of that Siberian action. 112 00:05:17,193 --> 00:05:19,737 Paulie and Christopher were going to kill a guy, 113 00:05:19,737 --> 00:05:21,614 took him into the woods, the guy escaped, 114 00:05:21,614 --> 00:05:23,574 then they got lost in the woods. 115 00:05:24,158 --> 00:05:25,493 Wait a minute. 116 00:05:26,494 --> 00:05:27,912 We walked in a circle. 117 00:05:28,788 --> 00:05:30,331 How's that fucking possible? 118 00:05:31,416 --> 00:05:33,084 One of the aspects of the episode 119 00:05:33,084 --> 00:05:34,419 is when you first see Paulie... 120 00:05:34,419 --> 00:05:36,170 Let's go with the satin finish. 121 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:38,673 ...he's perfectly coiffed and he's getting a manicure. 122 00:05:38,673 --> 00:05:40,299 - Excuse me. - The whole idea is that 123 00:05:40,299 --> 00:05:41,968 he completely devolves 124 00:05:41,968 --> 00:05:44,762 to the worst version of himself by the end. 125 00:05:44,762 --> 00:05:46,347 Fucking cunt! 126 00:05:46,347 --> 00:05:47,849 I lost my shoe. 127 00:05:48,641 --> 00:05:50,643 He's a complete mess. 128 00:05:50,643 --> 00:05:53,271 So I said to Tony Sirico, "That's the reality 129 00:05:53,271 --> 00:05:54,814 of what would happen to your hair." 130 00:05:54,814 --> 00:05:56,315 He goes, "I'm not messing up my hair." 131 00:05:56,315 --> 00:05:58,317 "Come on. The whole point of this is that, 132 00:05:58,317 --> 00:06:01,487 you know, you're... Paulie's all fucked up." 133 00:06:01,487 --> 00:06:02,905 So he said, "All right." 134 00:06:02,905 --> 00:06:06,033 And so he just like... I said, "Come on. Tony." 135 00:06:06,033 --> 00:06:07,827 And he went, "All right, you fuck." 136 00:06:07,827 --> 00:06:09,495 He messed his hair up like crazy. 137 00:06:09,495 --> 00:06:11,539 I said, "Get this on film before he changes his mind." 138 00:06:11,539 --> 00:06:13,791 And that's the only time you've ever seen Tony Sirico 139 00:06:13,791 --> 00:06:15,168 with his hair like that. 140 00:06:15,168 --> 00:06:16,502 Got mayonnaise on your chin. 141 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:18,713 What? 142 00:06:18,713 --> 00:06:21,466 Mayonnaise! 143 00:06:41,277 --> 00:06:42,945 As the show got more complicated, 144 00:06:42,945 --> 00:06:45,907 Denise and I, we bought a house in France, 145 00:06:45,907 --> 00:06:47,283 so we would go there to work 146 00:06:47,283 --> 00:06:49,160 trying to come up with the next season. 147 00:06:49,869 --> 00:06:51,704 She was always gardening, so I'd go out there 148 00:06:51,704 --> 00:06:53,664 and sit there while she was clipping and stuff, 149 00:06:53,664 --> 00:06:55,458 and I'd tell her these stories. 150 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:58,628 Her influence, it was extraordinary. 151 00:07:02,882 --> 00:07:04,342 It was always 13 episodes. 152 00:07:05,301 --> 00:07:06,844 So I'd make 13 lines. 153 00:07:08,429 --> 00:07:11,766 Then I'd start making lines like that that would say, "Tony." 154 00:07:11,766 --> 00:07:13,393 What does Tony do in episode one? 155 00:07:13,393 --> 00:07:15,103 What does Tony do in episode two? 156 00:07:15,103 --> 00:07:18,231 What happens... And that was containing a plot. 157 00:07:18,231 --> 00:07:20,733 Then I started adding Carmela. 158 00:07:20,733 --> 00:07:22,276 What's Carmela doing? 159 00:07:22,276 --> 00:07:23,986 She had her own season. 160 00:07:23,986 --> 00:07:26,447 Chris. They all had their own seasons. 161 00:07:26,447 --> 00:07:29,659 Some of them had two or three. Tony would have two or three lines 162 00:07:29,659 --> 00:07:32,078 of what happened to him in that season. 163 00:07:32,787 --> 00:07:33,913 Then I would get back, 164 00:07:33,913 --> 00:07:35,832 I would lay it all out for the writers 165 00:07:35,832 --> 00:07:38,042 so they knew what the direction of the season was. 166 00:07:38,042 --> 00:07:41,003 Then we'd sit down, we'd say, "All right, episode one. 167 00:07:41,003 --> 00:07:42,380 I know what it says up here, 168 00:07:42,380 --> 00:07:44,757 but what's this really going to be about?" 169 00:07:45,299 --> 00:07:47,885 It was actually building a drama. 170 00:07:47,885 --> 00:07:49,679 They're meeting in a basement, after all. 171 00:07:49,679 --> 00:07:51,973 We'd sit around bullshitting, like you and I are doing. 172 00:07:51,973 --> 00:07:53,558 - Right. - All day long. 173 00:07:53,558 --> 00:07:57,311 We'd talk about it and bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, 174 00:07:57,311 --> 00:07:59,147 which a lot of good stuff comes out of that. 175 00:07:59,147 --> 00:08:02,150 It was literally sitting with your friends 176 00:08:02,150 --> 00:08:04,485 and, "What'd you do last night?" 177 00:08:04,485 --> 00:08:07,029 And that would digress into a story, 178 00:08:07,029 --> 00:08:09,574 or, "One time this happened to me, or that, or..." 179 00:08:09,574 --> 00:08:12,577 And sometimes it was prompted by David saying things like, 180 00:08:12,577 --> 00:08:14,412 "What's the worst thing you've ever done 181 00:08:14,412 --> 00:08:15,663 to somebody in a relationship?" 182 00:08:16,914 --> 00:08:20,001 Really, Tony, just tell me. How come I can't see you again? 183 00:08:20,001 --> 00:08:21,169 'Cause you fuck Ralph. 184 00:08:21,169 --> 00:08:22,670 You got morals all of a sudden? 185 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:24,422 I don't got morals, but I do got rules. 186 00:08:24,422 --> 00:08:28,551 And you'd just tell stories. And it was very therapeutic. 187 00:08:28,551 --> 00:08:31,179 I mean, again, we were also together for years. 188 00:08:31,179 --> 00:08:33,723 So, I mean, in that room we went through, 189 00:08:33,723 --> 00:08:36,309 you know, divorces and children being born 190 00:08:36,309 --> 00:08:39,479 and parents dying, and a lot-- 191 00:08:39,479 --> 00:08:41,439 You know, the stuff of life. 192 00:08:41,439 --> 00:08:45,276 The actor is the instrument for conveying ideas. 193 00:08:45,985 --> 00:08:47,236 During the next... 194 00:08:47,236 --> 00:08:49,447 I told a story about how when I started writing, 195 00:08:49,447 --> 00:08:51,157 I also took acting classes. 196 00:08:51,157 --> 00:08:52,492 This is Acting for Writers? 197 00:08:52,492 --> 00:08:55,995 And that became part of the first episode I ever wrote. 198 00:08:55,995 --> 00:08:57,663 Help me, Daddy! 199 00:08:59,207 --> 00:09:01,292 Dad, help me! 200 00:09:02,001 --> 00:09:03,294 Daddy! 201 00:09:03,294 --> 00:09:05,505 You can depend on me. 202 00:09:06,089 --> 00:09:06,923 Trust me. 203 00:09:08,841 --> 00:09:11,552 I told them a story about a visit to a psychic I had. 204 00:09:11,552 --> 00:09:14,013 That became a story where Paulie visits a psychic. 205 00:09:14,013 --> 00:09:15,598 Charles Pagano. 206 00:09:16,182 --> 00:09:17,558 How the fuck do you know that? 207 00:09:17,558 --> 00:09:19,769 He says he was your first, 208 00:09:20,728 --> 00:09:21,896 but I feel many more. 209 00:09:21,896 --> 00:09:23,689 - Hey! - That one's laughing. 210 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:25,650 Poison ivy? 211 00:09:27,985 --> 00:09:29,904 He wants to know if it still itches. 212 00:09:30,780 --> 00:09:32,824 Don't fuck with me. Who you been talking to? 213 00:09:33,658 --> 00:09:36,619 All my stories, they come directly 214 00:09:36,619 --> 00:09:40,665 from my personal experiences, seeing and hearing and watching. 215 00:09:41,457 --> 00:09:43,167 26 Grady Court. 216 00:09:43,167 --> 00:09:44,752 - 26. Good. - This is where I grew up. 217 00:09:44,752 --> 00:09:46,045 The building I grew up in. 218 00:09:46,796 --> 00:09:50,174 And here's my famous apartment right here, 107. 219 00:09:50,842 --> 00:09:53,219 I grew up in a place called Maverick Housing Projects 220 00:09:53,219 --> 00:09:54,804 in East Boston. 221 00:09:54,804 --> 00:09:57,807 Whether it was shoplifting to whatever we did 222 00:09:57,807 --> 00:09:59,475 to make money as a kid, you know. 223 00:10:00,309 --> 00:10:02,353 And when I'm like 13, 14, 224 00:10:02,353 --> 00:10:06,399 I found my way into the local social club 225 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,026 with these neighborhood gangsters. 226 00:10:09,026 --> 00:10:11,404 If I'm getting an invitation to the dance, 227 00:10:11,404 --> 00:10:13,489 I wish the feds would hurry the fuck up about it. 228 00:10:13,489 --> 00:10:15,116 "Hey, kid, do me a favor. 229 00:10:15,116 --> 00:10:16,993 Just sweep the floors." 230 00:10:16,993 --> 00:10:18,911 And I worked the card games. 231 00:10:18,911 --> 00:10:21,080 - Yeah, I'm in. - 400 to you, Sil. 232 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,292 Behind closed doors, I was with these guys. 233 00:10:24,292 --> 00:10:26,210 Don't look at the floor. Look at me. 234 00:10:26,210 --> 00:10:28,588 So once we got in the room together 235 00:10:28,588 --> 00:10:31,966 to write characters, like Bobby Baccala... 236 00:10:31,966 --> 00:10:35,011 To the victor belongs the spoils. 237 00:10:35,011 --> 00:10:36,679 Get the fuck out of here before 238 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,265 I shove your quotations book up your fat ass. 239 00:10:40,641 --> 00:10:42,727 ...or Richie Aprile... 240 00:10:42,727 --> 00:10:46,272 I did a lot of meditation in the can on this. 241 00:10:46,272 --> 00:10:47,732 On what? 242 00:10:47,732 --> 00:10:50,234 You can't believe how clear you see things. 243 00:10:51,444 --> 00:10:52,320 Do you ever meditate? 244 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,322 - Me? Meditate? - Beansie... 245 00:10:54,322 --> 00:10:56,616 - Are you crazy? - Not as crazy as I used to be. 246 00:10:57,909 --> 00:11:00,161 Still crazy enough to take an eye out. 247 00:11:00,161 --> 00:11:02,121 What's going on here, Rich? 248 00:11:02,121 --> 00:11:03,623 This is where I could contribute 249 00:11:03,623 --> 00:11:07,043 based on my experiences around these wiseguys. 250 00:11:07,168 --> 00:11:10,463 Sucking up to Tony Soprano has done wonders for you. 251 00:11:10,463 --> 00:11:12,632 Look at somebody like Uncle Junior 252 00:11:12,632 --> 00:11:14,509 or Tony or Paulie Walnuts. 253 00:11:14,509 --> 00:11:16,677 These are, like, petty, horrible people. 254 00:11:16,677 --> 00:11:20,932 So you felt free to talk about anything you wanted. 255 00:11:20,932 --> 00:11:22,850 It was all just, hey, this is a writers' room. 256 00:11:22,850 --> 00:11:24,894 We're writing about bad people. 257 00:11:24,894 --> 00:11:26,270 Bad people do bad things, 258 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:28,356 and we got to access those parts of ourself. 259 00:11:28,356 --> 00:11:32,443 We said things that nowadays 260 00:11:32,443 --> 00:11:33,945 would be frowned upon. 261 00:11:33,945 --> 00:11:38,866 We could have been mistaken for being racist, sexist, 262 00:11:38,866 --> 00:11:40,618 you-name-it-ist, you know. 263 00:11:40,618 --> 00:11:43,162 We considered having an assistant in there for a while, 264 00:11:44,789 --> 00:11:46,999 and realized we couldn't do that. 265 00:11:47,583 --> 00:11:50,211 If she had a bathing suit on, if you're-- are you serious? 266 00:11:50,211 --> 00:11:51,587 I think she stayed at the door 267 00:11:51,587 --> 00:11:53,297 and as he goes, she's calling after him... 268 00:11:53,297 --> 00:11:55,508 So how did you make the transition 269 00:11:55,508 --> 00:11:58,052 from being a cast member to being a writer? 270 00:11:58,052 --> 00:12:01,305 You know, I didn't start writing on the show 271 00:12:01,305 --> 00:12:04,016 because I wanted to give my character juicy stuff to do. 272 00:12:04,016 --> 00:12:06,728 It was really because I really loved all the characters. 273 00:12:06,728 --> 00:12:09,522 I just fell in love with all of them. 274 00:12:09,522 --> 00:12:11,566 What I learned from David was, 275 00:12:11,566 --> 00:12:15,069 you know, specificity, specifics, detail. 276 00:12:15,695 --> 00:12:17,071 Everything was thought out. 277 00:12:18,823 --> 00:12:21,033 At some point during the process, 278 00:12:21,033 --> 00:12:23,661 David would get up and go on the couch 279 00:12:23,661 --> 00:12:25,830 and just lay down and go to sleep. 280 00:12:25,830 --> 00:12:27,290 And we would just keep talking. 281 00:12:27,874 --> 00:12:29,625 But he wasn't really asleep. 282 00:12:29,625 --> 00:12:31,627 He'd have his eyes closed, thinking. 283 00:12:32,128 --> 00:12:34,047 I couldn't stand talking anymore, 284 00:12:34,047 --> 00:12:35,882 and I would be on the couch by myself 285 00:12:35,882 --> 00:12:37,925 and they'd go on talking. 286 00:12:38,885 --> 00:12:41,095 And finally I would get something done. 287 00:12:41,095 --> 00:12:43,097 At some point, he would get up 288 00:12:43,097 --> 00:12:44,974 and silence would befall the room, 289 00:12:44,974 --> 00:12:47,018 he would pick up a marker, go to the board, 290 00:12:47,018 --> 00:12:48,644 and then write out 291 00:12:48,644 --> 00:12:52,231 a fully fleshed-out 12-beat story. 292 00:12:52,231 --> 00:12:54,984 David starts filling the whiteboard. 293 00:12:54,984 --> 00:12:57,653 You know, big-- three gigantic whiteboards. 294 00:12:57,653 --> 00:12:59,906 He's going nuts, filling the whole thing. 295 00:13:00,656 --> 00:13:03,493 And we're all like, "Yeah, that's great..." 296 00:13:04,202 --> 00:13:07,038 Chiming in and this thing gets done. 297 00:13:08,164 --> 00:13:09,540 We broke for lunch, we come back, 298 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:11,250 he's looking at it, goes, "This is fucking horrible." 299 00:13:11,250 --> 00:13:13,586 Erases the whole-- It took us hours. 300 00:13:13,586 --> 00:13:15,338 Every year we would start, I'd say, "Remember, 301 00:13:15,338 --> 00:13:18,925 the first five ideas, we're going to throw those out. 302 00:13:18,925 --> 00:13:20,176 Don't even bring them up. 303 00:13:20,176 --> 00:13:23,513 Idea number six, maybe you should..." 304 00:13:23,513 --> 00:13:25,515 - This includes me. - Right. 305 00:13:25,515 --> 00:13:26,641 "...we'll talk, we'll voice it. 306 00:13:26,641 --> 00:13:29,060 Everything else, we've seen before. 307 00:13:29,727 --> 00:13:30,770 It's not good." 308 00:13:31,646 --> 00:13:33,523 You're talking about important things. 309 00:13:33,523 --> 00:13:36,526 You're talking about life, death, love, violence. 310 00:13:37,985 --> 00:13:40,571 Shut up, don't turn around. 311 00:13:40,571 --> 00:13:44,242 I still feel proud that we never did violence for violence sake. 312 00:13:44,242 --> 00:13:45,451 I didn't find that. 313 00:13:45,451 --> 00:13:46,953 It was consistent with the characters. 314 00:13:46,953 --> 00:13:48,996 Yeah, I thought it was earned. 315 00:13:48,996 --> 00:13:53,418 I don't think any of us ever were gratuitous with violence. 316 00:13:53,418 --> 00:13:56,671 I don't think we ever said, "We got to show this gory thing." 317 00:13:56,671 --> 00:13:57,588 It was the opposite. 318 00:13:57,588 --> 00:13:59,674 I'll give you all my money! 319 00:14:04,303 --> 00:14:05,304 No! 320 00:14:05,304 --> 00:14:07,640 - No! - Shut up! 321 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,100 - Come on! - Get the panties off. 322 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:10,685 No, stop it! 323 00:14:11,978 --> 00:14:14,564 Please! No! 324 00:14:16,023 --> 00:14:17,984 - No! - You fucking bitch. 325 00:14:17,984 --> 00:14:20,111 No! 326 00:14:21,946 --> 00:14:25,450 Stop it! 327 00:14:36,419 --> 00:14:41,174 Melfi's rape was very, very violent and incredibly disturbing to watch 328 00:14:41,174 --> 00:14:43,051 because it made her choice 329 00:14:43,051 --> 00:14:46,345 whether or not to tell Tony all the more poignant 330 00:14:46,345 --> 00:14:48,222 because you saw what happened to her. 331 00:14:49,974 --> 00:14:51,559 Did they let him go? 332 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:55,188 Somebody misplaced the evidence kit, for a little while or something-- 333 00:14:55,188 --> 00:14:57,940 I don't know what the fuck they did, those stupid idiots. 334 00:14:57,940 --> 00:15:00,276 Did they just let him out until the trial? 335 00:15:00,276 --> 00:15:01,736 Because I can identify him. 336 00:15:02,528 --> 00:15:03,404 It's a legal thing. 337 00:15:03,404 --> 00:15:05,406 I think they just have to let him skip. 338 00:15:05,406 --> 00:15:06,741 That's impossible. 339 00:15:06,741 --> 00:15:08,785 I just told you everything he told me. 340 00:15:10,328 --> 00:15:12,997 That employee of the month cocksucker 341 00:15:12,997 --> 00:15:15,583 is back on the street and who's going to stop him? 342 00:15:15,583 --> 00:15:16,626 You? 343 00:15:17,210 --> 00:15:20,004 Who could I sic on that son of a bitch 344 00:15:20,004 --> 00:15:22,173 to tear him to shreds? 345 00:15:31,682 --> 00:15:32,517 What's the matter? 346 00:15:33,810 --> 00:15:35,353 Hey. Come on. 347 00:15:36,521 --> 00:15:37,688 What did I do? 348 00:15:38,815 --> 00:15:39,732 Come on, huh? 349 00:15:39,732 --> 00:15:41,859 I remember reading the script 350 00:15:41,859 --> 00:15:43,319 and not finishing it, 351 00:15:43,820 --> 00:15:46,447 and I called David. I said, "Why? 352 00:15:47,156 --> 00:15:48,783 Why would you hurt her? 353 00:15:49,492 --> 00:15:55,498 She's the only one trying to have a sense of right, 354 00:15:55,498 --> 00:15:57,959 a sense of reason. 355 00:15:59,669 --> 00:16:01,587 Why are you violating her? 356 00:16:01,587 --> 00:16:04,340 I can't even get through it, I'm so upset." 357 00:16:05,299 --> 00:16:08,594 "Could you just read it to the end, Lorraine?" 358 00:16:08,594 --> 00:16:11,180 And I said, "Yeah, okay." 359 00:16:11,806 --> 00:16:12,765 And then... 360 00:16:16,728 --> 00:16:17,770 What? 361 00:16:19,605 --> 00:16:21,315 I mean, you want to say something? 362 00:16:29,907 --> 00:16:30,950 No. 363 00:16:32,034 --> 00:16:34,620 When she says, "No," 364 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,790 it hit me like a ton of bricks. 365 00:16:38,666 --> 00:16:41,169 There's a fork in the road, 366 00:16:41,169 --> 00:16:44,047 and she has to choose that fork. 367 00:16:44,630 --> 00:16:46,090 I mean, let's put it this way. 368 00:16:47,050 --> 00:16:50,136 She knew if she told him about the rape, 369 00:16:52,346 --> 00:16:54,474 then it was all over. 370 00:16:55,224 --> 00:16:57,018 She didn't go to school 371 00:16:57,935 --> 00:17:00,396 for 15 years 372 00:17:01,606 --> 00:17:03,149 to become a gangster. 373 00:17:08,112 --> 00:17:10,156 Even the most violent episodes 374 00:17:10,156 --> 00:17:13,534 had such... beauty to them. 375 00:17:13,534 --> 00:17:16,329 Like the episode where the stripper gets killed. 376 00:17:17,121 --> 00:17:19,665 It tells the story of Meadow in college. 377 00:17:20,958 --> 00:17:21,918 Do you have a condom? 378 00:17:27,256 --> 00:17:30,176 Against this young girl who would be the same age. 379 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,142 The show was always shocking somebody about something. 380 00:17:38,142 --> 00:17:39,852 That make you feel good? 381 00:17:40,686 --> 00:17:42,271 You feel like a man? 382 00:17:42,271 --> 00:17:45,400 You could push the envelope and let people be uncomfortable. 383 00:17:46,776 --> 00:17:49,278 Forgive me, but like, without a trigger warning. 384 00:17:49,946 --> 00:17:52,824 The whole point is you want to surprise people 385 00:17:52,824 --> 00:17:55,284 and give them feelings that maybe are uncomfortable 386 00:17:55,284 --> 00:17:57,286 and have them learn to deal with them. 387 00:17:57,286 --> 00:18:00,164 That, my friend, is life. 388 00:18:00,164 --> 00:18:02,125 You're not going to be given trigger warnings 389 00:18:02,125 --> 00:18:03,793 when terrible things happen. 390 00:18:15,847 --> 00:18:18,516 Ralphie beating the stripper to death. 391 00:18:18,516 --> 00:18:22,437 You needed to see what an absolute despicable person this was 392 00:18:22,437 --> 00:18:24,814 in order to understand 393 00:18:24,814 --> 00:18:26,941 these are the guys you're rooting for. 394 00:18:26,941 --> 00:18:28,276 Look at you now. 395 00:18:30,486 --> 00:18:32,238 It was interesting, every once in a while, 396 00:18:32,238 --> 00:18:33,740 the audience would be lulled into feeling 397 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:35,533 "Oh, these are big, fun teddy bears 398 00:18:35,533 --> 00:18:37,493 you can talk to over the backyard fence." 399 00:18:37,493 --> 00:18:39,787 And that's true until you owe them money, 400 00:18:39,787 --> 00:18:41,539 and then they're not funny anymore. 401 00:18:41,539 --> 00:18:43,750 And then-- so we would, every once in a while, 402 00:18:43,875 --> 00:18:47,336 remind people, this is who Tony Soprano really is. 403 00:18:47,336 --> 00:18:48,629 You finished? 404 00:18:52,633 --> 00:18:53,634 Thank you, T. 405 00:18:54,802 --> 00:18:56,304 'Cause that sugarless motherfucker, 406 00:18:57,221 --> 00:18:59,140 it's the last fucking drink you're ever gonna have. 407 00:18:59,140 --> 00:19:02,977 Oh! Swear to God! Mommy! Mommy, please, Tony. 408 00:19:02,977 --> 00:19:05,772 I said to the writers, look, he's a killer. 409 00:19:06,689 --> 00:19:09,400 He's a philanderer. He's a motherfucker. 410 00:19:11,486 --> 00:19:13,946 He's a fool, in many ways. 411 00:19:13,946 --> 00:19:15,907 Maybe it sounds fucking crazy to you. 412 00:19:15,907 --> 00:19:18,117 But Tony's always got to be the smartest guy in the room. 413 00:19:18,117 --> 00:19:19,702 Nothing sounds crazy, the older I get. 414 00:19:22,538 --> 00:19:24,082 He's not fun all the time. 415 00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:29,337 This is a bad guy, extremely violent person. 416 00:19:30,755 --> 00:19:31,672 You want coffee? 417 00:19:33,341 --> 00:19:34,217 No. 418 00:19:34,217 --> 00:19:36,177 And I always felt that 419 00:19:36,177 --> 00:19:38,304 if there was any lack of realism, 420 00:19:38,930 --> 00:19:42,016 it was that he was more reflective than reality. 421 00:19:42,767 --> 00:19:43,935 Tony thinks too much. 422 00:19:43,935 --> 00:19:45,061 He's too worried. 423 00:19:45,895 --> 00:19:48,898 But something was happening to him that he couldn't control. 424 00:19:48,898 --> 00:19:50,066 The panic attacks, really. 425 00:19:50,066 --> 00:19:51,609 If it hadn't been for the panic attacks, 426 00:19:51,609 --> 00:19:53,653 I don't think he would have gone to a shrink. 427 00:19:53,653 --> 00:19:55,947 I don't got time for these fucking attacks. 428 00:19:55,947 --> 00:19:57,824 It was so good for months. 429 00:19:57,824 --> 00:19:59,492 But he couldn't afford to be collapsing 430 00:19:59,492 --> 00:20:01,160 in front of his crew. 431 00:20:01,953 --> 00:20:04,622 And obviously there was a lot underneath there. 432 00:20:04,622 --> 00:20:07,792 He was very depressed and didn't understand or know it. 433 00:20:08,543 --> 00:20:10,920 He had a lot of fears, didn't know it. 434 00:20:12,088 --> 00:20:14,674 Do you have any qualms about how you actually 435 00:20:15,842 --> 00:20:17,009 make a living? 436 00:20:18,344 --> 00:20:19,387 Yeah. 437 00:20:21,556 --> 00:20:23,558 I find I have to be the sad clown. 438 00:20:24,684 --> 00:20:26,227 Laughing on the outside, 439 00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:28,896 crying on the inside. 440 00:20:30,690 --> 00:20:32,817 I feel exhausted just talking about it. 441 00:20:33,943 --> 00:20:36,988 It's my feeling, and I've been to a lot of therapy, 442 00:20:36,988 --> 00:20:40,533 you're really never held to account with a psychiatrist. 443 00:20:42,034 --> 00:20:44,662 And that's always kind of bothered me a little bit. 444 00:20:45,246 --> 00:20:47,165 "You mean anything I do is...?" 445 00:20:47,165 --> 00:20:49,417 "You have to understand what my parents are like, 446 00:20:49,417 --> 00:20:51,002 and so I can't be blamed?" 447 00:20:51,002 --> 00:20:52,378 Hello? 448 00:20:55,798 --> 00:20:58,843 Theoretically, therapy is supposed to make you a better person. 449 00:20:58,843 --> 00:21:00,094 All right, let me hear it. 450 00:21:00,094 --> 00:21:01,637 Instead, it made him a better mobster. 451 00:21:01,637 --> 00:21:03,848 He could actually take what other people 452 00:21:03,848 --> 00:21:05,433 were feeling into account, 453 00:21:06,517 --> 00:21:08,394 for 20 or 30 seconds. 454 00:21:08,394 --> 00:21:11,606 All we want you to do is talk to him. 455 00:21:11,606 --> 00:21:13,066 After all, he's your uncle. 456 00:21:13,066 --> 00:21:14,984 - Come on. - That's right. 457 00:21:15,651 --> 00:21:18,362 As we said in the show, as Livia said, 458 00:21:18,362 --> 00:21:19,280 "Psychiatry..." 459 00:21:19,989 --> 00:21:23,159 That's nothing but a racket for the Jews. 460 00:21:23,159 --> 00:21:25,578 That's what my mother would have said about psychiatry. 461 00:21:25,578 --> 00:21:27,580 They knew nothing about it. 462 00:21:27,580 --> 00:21:28,623 Melfi. 463 00:21:28,623 --> 00:21:31,876 So it was really important to me for her to be Italian. 464 00:21:31,876 --> 00:21:33,378 What part of the boot you from, hon? 465 00:21:33,378 --> 00:21:34,962 "Dr. Melfi." 466 00:21:36,339 --> 00:21:38,966 My father's people were from Caserta. 467 00:21:38,966 --> 00:21:40,093 Avellino. 468 00:21:40,968 --> 00:21:43,179 My mother would have loved it if you and I got together. 469 00:21:43,179 --> 00:21:46,849 And not to be too forceful, 470 00:21:47,433 --> 00:21:49,519 or to be even that sympathetic. 471 00:21:50,228 --> 00:21:52,438 What's the one thing every woman-- 472 00:21:52,438 --> 00:21:54,315 your mother, your wife, your daughter-- 473 00:21:54,315 --> 00:21:55,525 have in common? 474 00:21:55,525 --> 00:21:57,318 They all break my balls. 475 00:21:57,318 --> 00:21:59,070 Her character was based on 476 00:21:59,070 --> 00:22:01,406 the psychologist I was going to at that time. 477 00:22:01,406 --> 00:22:02,782 They're all Italian. So what? 478 00:22:02,782 --> 00:22:05,451 So, maybe by coming clean with me, 479 00:22:05,451 --> 00:22:07,245 you're dialoguing with them. 480 00:22:07,245 --> 00:22:10,873 I think I began to realize that what I was doing there was 481 00:22:10,873 --> 00:22:12,875 re-mothering myself. 482 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,877 What you were doing there in therapy... 483 00:22:14,877 --> 00:22:16,546 - With her. - Right. 484 00:22:17,505 --> 00:22:19,549 Was, I was getting a new mother. 485 00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:20,550 What? 486 00:22:20,550 --> 00:22:23,136 And certainly, that's what Tony was doing. 487 00:22:23,136 --> 00:22:25,388 You've made me all of the things 488 00:22:25,388 --> 00:22:27,432 you feel are missing in your wife 489 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:29,892 and in your mother. 490 00:22:38,067 --> 00:22:40,570 You're making me out to be some fucking mama's boy. 491 00:22:41,738 --> 00:22:42,739 I'm a man. 492 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:46,284 Now that we're sitting in this psychiatrist's office 493 00:22:46,284 --> 00:22:47,869 and we're analyzing these guys, 494 00:22:48,536 --> 00:22:50,121 he needed a mother. 495 00:22:50,121 --> 00:22:51,205 Ma? 496 00:22:51,205 --> 00:22:53,332 His mother was a lunatic. 497 00:22:53,332 --> 00:22:54,751 You know my good jewelry? 498 00:22:54,876 --> 00:22:56,169 The stuff Dad gave you. 499 00:22:57,336 --> 00:22:59,422 Some of those pieces came right out of Cartier's window. 500 00:22:59,422 --> 00:23:02,425 I gave it all to your cousin Josephine. 501 00:23:03,676 --> 00:23:05,303 What the fuck? The good jewelry? 502 00:23:05,303 --> 00:23:06,804 She always admired it. 503 00:23:06,804 --> 00:23:08,097 I think they're a lot alike, 504 00:23:08,097 --> 00:23:09,432 that's where the conflict comes from. 505 00:23:09,432 --> 00:23:12,185 You gave a fucking cousin Cartier dinner rings, 506 00:23:12,185 --> 00:23:13,644 and you give me a vibrating chair? 507 00:23:13,644 --> 00:23:17,065 He tries because he's Italian and it's his mother, 508 00:23:17,065 --> 00:23:19,984 but she knows all the buttons to push on him 509 00:23:19,984 --> 00:23:21,360 and consistently does it. 510 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:25,073 Listen, before you do any more serious damage to yourself 511 00:23:25,073 --> 00:23:26,991 or your grandchildren's inheritance, 512 00:23:26,991 --> 00:23:28,701 you're going to stop living alone right now. 513 00:23:28,701 --> 00:23:31,204 I'm not going to that nursing home. 514 00:23:31,204 --> 00:23:33,956 Then I will get a durable power of attorney over you, 515 00:23:33,956 --> 00:23:35,333 and I will place you there. 516 00:23:35,333 --> 00:23:36,626 Then kill me now. 517 00:23:37,418 --> 00:23:38,336 Go on. Go. 518 00:23:38,336 --> 00:23:42,382 Go into the ham and take the carving knife and stab me. 519 00:23:42,382 --> 00:23:45,676 Here! Now, please! 520 00:23:45,676 --> 00:23:48,429 It would hurt me less than what you just said. 521 00:23:48,429 --> 00:23:50,765 You know, I know seniors that are inspired! 522 00:23:53,643 --> 00:23:57,522 Livia was an amalgam, whether it was intended, 523 00:23:57,522 --> 00:24:00,817 whether David saw it that way or anybody else saw that, 524 00:24:00,817 --> 00:24:02,235 but it was truly an amalgam. 525 00:24:02,235 --> 00:24:03,694 The writers on The Sopranos, 526 00:24:03,694 --> 00:24:06,114 the one thing we had in common was we all had the same mom. 527 00:24:06,114 --> 00:24:08,241 And I had a terrible relationship with my mother. 528 00:24:08,241 --> 00:24:10,451 My mother, just to sum up my mom, 529 00:24:10,451 --> 00:24:13,371 who was absolutely the rock of our family. 530 00:24:13,371 --> 00:24:15,164 My dad died on a Thursday, on Monday morning, 531 00:24:15,164 --> 00:24:17,208 my mom was back at work, with five kids. 532 00:24:17,208 --> 00:24:18,501 God bless her. 533 00:24:18,501 --> 00:24:20,628 But we did not have a great relationship. 534 00:24:20,628 --> 00:24:23,297 When I got into NYU, I called my mother and I said, 535 00:24:23,297 --> 00:24:25,133 "Mom, I got accepted to New York University." 536 00:24:25,133 --> 00:24:27,135 I had been living alone at that point and she said, 537 00:24:27,135 --> 00:24:28,469 "I'll give you six months." 538 00:24:28,469 --> 00:24:31,139 And I went, "Okay, thanks." 539 00:24:31,139 --> 00:24:33,057 When I got into law school, I called my mother. 540 00:24:33,057 --> 00:24:35,184 I said, "Mom, I got accepted to law school." 541 00:24:35,184 --> 00:24:37,895 And she said, "Another one of your harebrained schemes!" 542 00:24:39,063 --> 00:24:42,024 There's things in that show that I literally picked them, 543 00:24:42,024 --> 00:24:43,693 you know, visiting my mother. 544 00:24:43,693 --> 00:24:45,361 She was living in a senior housing. 545 00:24:45,361 --> 00:24:47,238 - Who is it? - It's me, Ma. 546 00:24:47,238 --> 00:24:50,241 The fucking lady next door kept running the water. 547 00:24:50,241 --> 00:24:51,534 There it is again. 548 00:24:52,952 --> 00:24:54,746 Drove my mother insane. 549 00:24:54,746 --> 00:24:57,790 That's enough water. How much water does she need? 550 00:24:58,332 --> 00:25:01,002 She runs the water all day. 551 00:25:01,002 --> 00:25:03,171 Water, water, water! 552 00:25:03,171 --> 00:25:05,798 I'm living next door to Gunga Din! 553 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:08,426 It's not concocted. 554 00:25:08,426 --> 00:25:11,554 It's all based on stuff that's, you know, our real life. 555 00:25:11,554 --> 00:25:13,931 And it all started with David and his life, 556 00:25:13,931 --> 00:25:16,225 but we recognized similar problems 557 00:25:16,225 --> 00:25:17,894 and similar things that make us laugh 558 00:25:17,894 --> 00:25:19,812 or make us frustrated and stuff. 559 00:25:19,812 --> 00:25:22,732 And if it fit with David and it fit with Tony Soprano, 560 00:25:22,732 --> 00:25:24,317 that was part of the show. 561 00:25:25,902 --> 00:25:27,445 When I was about eight or nine, 562 00:25:27,445 --> 00:25:30,448 we used to go down to the shore in Belmar, New Jersey. 563 00:25:31,574 --> 00:25:33,701 And we were going out somewhere at night, 564 00:25:33,701 --> 00:25:34,702 going down the stairs, 565 00:25:34,702 --> 00:25:37,121 and my father fell and ripped his pants. 566 00:25:37,121 --> 00:25:39,165 My mother went crazy laughing. 567 00:25:40,792 --> 00:25:43,127 That came from that. Most people didn't understand. 568 00:25:43,127 --> 00:25:45,630 "What's she laughing at? That's so horrible." 569 00:25:46,381 --> 00:25:48,925 And Nancy said to my wife Denise, 570 00:25:48,925 --> 00:25:50,343 first season, she said, 571 00:25:51,219 --> 00:25:54,639 "I trust that this creature I'm portraying is deceased?" 572 00:25:55,556 --> 00:25:57,725 I say what your mother has, at the very least, 573 00:25:57,725 --> 00:26:01,104 is what we call borderline personality disorder. 574 00:26:01,104 --> 00:26:02,855 These people's internal phobias 575 00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:04,982 are the only things that exist to them. 576 00:26:04,982 --> 00:26:07,777 The real world, real people are peripheral. 577 00:26:07,777 --> 00:26:10,446 These people have no love or compassion. 578 00:26:11,447 --> 00:26:13,282 In the original feature script 579 00:26:13,282 --> 00:26:17,078 and also in the last episode of season one, 580 00:26:17,078 --> 00:26:19,747 Melfi was going to tell him, "It's your mother 581 00:26:19,747 --> 00:26:21,040 who's out to kill you." 582 00:26:21,999 --> 00:26:25,837 You twisted, fucking bitch. That's my mother we're talking about. 583 00:26:26,462 --> 00:26:29,215 And he goes up to the retirement center, 584 00:26:29,215 --> 00:26:32,343 and he grabs a pillow, and he smothers her to death. 585 00:26:32,343 --> 00:26:33,594 That's what it was in the movie, 586 00:26:33,594 --> 00:26:35,763 and that's what it was going to be in the show. 587 00:26:36,305 --> 00:26:41,310 But Nancy, she had lung cancer and emphysema. 588 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,272 As the end was coming, 589 00:26:44,272 --> 00:26:47,108 she said, "David, I just... just keep me working." 590 00:26:47,775 --> 00:26:48,818 Your mom's had a stroke. 591 00:26:48,818 --> 00:26:50,486 So that was changing the whole story. 592 00:26:50,486 --> 00:26:51,446 Stroke? 593 00:26:51,446 --> 00:26:53,698 The news on TV yesterday, it really upset her. 594 00:26:53,698 --> 00:26:55,158 Not that it's any of my business. 595 00:26:55,158 --> 00:26:57,452 Anyhow, it just happened. The EMTs are-- 596 00:26:57,452 --> 00:26:59,203 I'm going to live a nice, long, happy life. 597 00:26:59,203 --> 00:27:00,538 Which is more than I can say for you. 598 00:27:00,538 --> 00:27:01,706 - That's enough! - Yeah? 599 00:27:02,707 --> 00:27:04,083 Keep her moving, keep moving. 600 00:27:04,083 --> 00:27:06,377 I tried to do the right thing, you try to have me whacked? 601 00:27:06,377 --> 00:27:07,545 She doesn't understand you. 602 00:27:07,545 --> 00:27:10,757 She's smiling! Look at the look on her face! 603 00:27:10,757 --> 00:27:11,841 She's smiling! 604 00:27:12,383 --> 00:27:13,885 Get off me! 605 00:27:13,885 --> 00:27:16,345 Yeah. So we kept her working. 606 00:27:16,345 --> 00:27:17,638 I wasn't always perfect, 607 00:27:17,638 --> 00:27:19,932 but I always tried to do the best I could. 608 00:27:22,101 --> 00:27:24,562 And I know you didn't, any of you, 609 00:27:24,562 --> 00:27:27,273 didn't like it when I tried to tell you what to do. 610 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,736 Babies are like animals. 611 00:27:31,736 --> 00:27:33,571 They're no different than dogs. 612 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,200 Somebody has to teach them right from wrong. 613 00:27:39,619 --> 00:27:40,953 But she didn't live that long. 614 00:27:48,211 --> 00:27:49,295 She was wonderful. 615 00:27:53,341 --> 00:27:54,384 People loved Livia. 616 00:27:54,384 --> 00:27:56,135 They just got such a kick out of her. 617 00:27:57,178 --> 00:27:59,764 I don't know how many thousands of times I heard, 618 00:27:59,764 --> 00:28:01,474 "That's just like my grandmother!" 619 00:28:01,474 --> 00:28:03,142 "That's just like my aunt!" 620 00:28:03,142 --> 00:28:05,686 And yet my mother, who it was patterned after, 621 00:28:05,686 --> 00:28:07,563 was, I thought, 622 00:28:07,563 --> 00:28:11,275 completely out there by herself in some other universe. 623 00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:13,820 I knew people had mother issues. 624 00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:16,197 I didn't think I was alone on the reservation, 625 00:28:16,197 --> 00:28:18,199 but I really did think my mother 626 00:28:18,199 --> 00:28:20,284 was out in some other universe. 627 00:28:20,284 --> 00:28:23,704 It's really about her fears and terrors and anxieties. 628 00:28:24,622 --> 00:28:26,999 But what I didn't understand then, 629 00:28:26,999 --> 00:28:30,211 the thing I learned many, many years later, 630 00:28:30,211 --> 00:28:32,422 I was living out in California. 631 00:28:32,422 --> 00:28:34,632 I was talking to my mother on the phone. 632 00:28:34,632 --> 00:28:36,759 This was toward the end of her life. 633 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:38,594 We were talking about my grandfather. 634 00:28:38,594 --> 00:28:41,723 She said, "It's like Aunt Louise, he didn't mean to hurt her." 635 00:28:43,099 --> 00:28:44,517 I said, "What do you mean?" 636 00:28:45,309 --> 00:28:48,730 She said, "Well, yes, he kicked her and he didn't mean to." 637 00:28:48,730 --> 00:28:50,523 I said, "What do you mean he kicked her?" 638 00:28:51,149 --> 00:28:53,484 She said, "Well, yes, he kicked her in the vagina." 639 00:28:54,736 --> 00:28:55,903 I said, "What?" 640 00:28:56,904 --> 00:28:58,906 She said, "Yeah, he kicked her in the vagina." 641 00:28:59,449 --> 00:29:01,075 I said, "What was going on?" 642 00:29:01,075 --> 00:29:02,326 "Oh, I don't know. 643 00:29:02,326 --> 00:29:04,287 She was getting married the next day. 644 00:29:04,287 --> 00:29:07,331 And he was just upset." 645 00:29:09,959 --> 00:29:11,127 I just thought, 646 00:29:12,086 --> 00:29:14,297 this is-- things started to make sense to me. 647 00:29:15,048 --> 00:29:17,884 Because I remember my mother screaming 648 00:29:18,676 --> 00:29:20,053 in a nightmare saying, 649 00:29:20,053 --> 00:29:21,888 "Papa, put your pants back on! 650 00:29:21,888 --> 00:29:24,557 Don't do-- Papa, put your pants back on!" 651 00:29:24,557 --> 00:29:25,641 So I have no proof, 652 00:29:26,309 --> 00:29:28,269 but he was a bad guy 653 00:29:29,353 --> 00:29:30,646 and so was my father's father. 654 00:29:32,065 --> 00:29:34,108 Some of these guys from Southern Italy... 655 00:29:34,901 --> 00:29:36,069 Wow. 656 00:29:50,625 --> 00:29:53,669 I came here to Hollywood to make movies, 657 00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:56,172 and I got sidetracked into TV 658 00:29:56,172 --> 00:29:58,132 and to becoming a writer, 659 00:29:58,132 --> 00:30:01,010 basically because of what I would say were my own weaknesses. 660 00:30:01,010 --> 00:30:03,096 One, I became scared to direct, 661 00:30:03,096 --> 00:30:05,848 and also there was money involved. 662 00:30:06,557 --> 00:30:08,559 But then the second year of the show, 663 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,813 my feature agent took me out to lunch and he said, 664 00:30:11,813 --> 00:30:15,066 "I want to impress upon you that you are a brand now. 665 00:30:15,066 --> 00:30:17,026 And why I'm saying this to you because 666 00:30:17,026 --> 00:30:19,821 now you can get to do all those movies you want." 667 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,033 Many people probably would have quit then and there, right? 668 00:30:24,033 --> 00:30:25,576 And maybe I should have. 669 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,913 But I just loved doing The Sopranos so much 670 00:30:28,913 --> 00:30:30,248 that I stuck with it. 671 00:30:31,249 --> 00:30:33,459 They talk about universe-building all the time. 672 00:30:34,168 --> 00:30:36,087 The more I did The Sopranos, 673 00:30:36,087 --> 00:30:39,340 the less I could watch anything else. 674 00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:41,676 It wouldn't make sense to me. 675 00:30:41,676 --> 00:30:44,470 It wasn't in the universe where I was existing. 676 00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:46,973 Not only those characters, I was living there. 677 00:30:48,975 --> 00:30:50,351 It's all about the characters. 678 00:30:50,351 --> 00:30:51,561 What's going on? 679 00:30:51,561 --> 00:30:53,813 I mean, the story comes out of those characters 680 00:30:54,689 --> 00:30:56,441 and in that little universe. 681 00:30:58,317 --> 00:30:59,819 Over and over again, 682 00:30:59,819 --> 00:31:02,405 every character made a deal with the devil. 683 00:31:02,989 --> 00:31:05,283 What I said, it's about money and death, right? 684 00:31:05,283 --> 00:31:07,618 Why do we have to get rid of the body? 685 00:31:07,618 --> 00:31:09,162 With the fucking questions now? 686 00:31:09,746 --> 00:31:11,831 Everybody made a deal with the devil. 687 00:31:11,831 --> 00:31:13,875 There was this issue of an outstanding loan. 688 00:31:13,875 --> 00:31:15,376 Can I stop you for a second? 689 00:31:15,376 --> 00:31:17,211 Melfi made a deal with the devil. 690 00:31:17,211 --> 00:31:19,338 I don't know where this story is going. 691 00:31:21,174 --> 00:31:23,634 But there are a few ethical ground rules 692 00:31:23,634 --> 00:31:25,470 we should quickly get out of the way. 693 00:31:27,096 --> 00:31:31,934 What you tell me here falls under doctor-patient confidentiality, 694 00:31:32,935 --> 00:31:34,479 except, if I was... 695 00:31:36,481 --> 00:31:39,942 if I was to hear, let's say, a murder was to take place. 696 00:31:39,942 --> 00:31:42,070 Not that I'm saying it would, but if. 697 00:31:42,612 --> 00:31:44,697 If a patient comes to me and tells me a story 698 00:31:44,697 --> 00:31:46,240 where someone's going to get hurt, 699 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,409 I'm supposed to go to the authorities. 700 00:31:48,993 --> 00:31:50,536 Would I have to go to the police? 701 00:31:50,536 --> 00:31:51,537 Technically. 702 00:31:51,537 --> 00:31:52,830 Technically. 703 00:31:53,414 --> 00:31:55,166 I don't know what happened with this fellow. 704 00:31:55,166 --> 00:31:58,127 I'm... I'm just saying. 705 00:31:59,462 --> 00:32:01,047 Isn't that a deal with the devil? 706 00:32:01,547 --> 00:32:02,423 Here. 707 00:32:10,515 --> 00:32:12,642 He's a good man, a good father. 708 00:32:12,642 --> 00:32:15,395 You tell me he's a depressed criminal, 709 00:32:16,187 --> 00:32:17,605 prone to anger, 710 00:32:18,231 --> 00:32:19,899 serially unfaithful. 711 00:32:19,899 --> 00:32:23,653 Is that your definition of a good man? 712 00:32:24,946 --> 00:32:27,490 Carmela, she was married to the devil. 713 00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:29,492 She married him and stayed married to him. 714 00:32:32,161 --> 00:32:35,289 You can leave now or stay and hear what I have to say. 715 00:32:38,793 --> 00:32:42,380 You must trust your initial impulse and consider leaving him. 716 00:32:43,297 --> 00:32:45,717 You'll never be able to feel good about yourself. 717 00:32:45,717 --> 00:32:49,512 You'll never be able to quell the feelings of guilt and shame 718 00:32:50,388 --> 00:32:51,681 that you talked about 719 00:32:52,682 --> 00:32:54,058 as long as you're his accomplice. 720 00:32:56,394 --> 00:32:57,270 Leave him. 721 00:32:57,770 --> 00:33:01,107 Take only the children, what's left of them, and go. 722 00:33:01,941 --> 00:33:04,235 My priest said I should try and work with him, 723 00:33:04,235 --> 00:33:05,945 help him to be a better man. 724 00:33:05,945 --> 00:33:07,280 How's that going? 725 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,537 She was told, "Take your kids and leave now." 726 00:33:15,371 --> 00:33:17,415 That old psychiatrist, 727 00:33:17,415 --> 00:33:18,875 that was the only person 728 00:33:18,875 --> 00:33:21,753 that ever spoke the truth about it in the whole show. 729 00:33:21,753 --> 00:33:23,004 Tony. 730 00:33:24,172 --> 00:33:26,966 I'm not charging you because I won't take blood money. 731 00:33:26,966 --> 00:33:28,051 Happy birthday. 732 00:33:28,051 --> 00:33:29,302 You can't either. 733 00:33:31,846 --> 00:33:33,473 One thing you can never say, 734 00:33:35,266 --> 00:33:36,809 that you haven't been told. 735 00:33:38,102 --> 00:33:39,979 You're living off of his blood money. 736 00:33:39,979 --> 00:33:41,981 Tony, what did you do? 737 00:33:41,981 --> 00:33:44,776 Take your children now and leave. 738 00:33:44,776 --> 00:33:45,985 Oh my God. 739 00:33:45,985 --> 00:33:47,528 We're having a good week. 740 00:33:48,571 --> 00:33:49,405 She didn't do it. 741 00:33:49,405 --> 00:33:52,325 Oh my God! What a car! 742 00:33:52,325 --> 00:33:54,702 It's a very interesting thing, the level of denial 743 00:33:55,244 --> 00:33:57,538 that someone like her would have to live with. 744 00:33:57,538 --> 00:34:00,875 Or the stories she tells herself in order to make that okay. 745 00:34:01,626 --> 00:34:03,086 I don't think there was anything going on 746 00:34:03,086 --> 00:34:05,380 she didn't know about, at least peripherally. 747 00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:16,516 If Tony's the devil, is there a deal with the devil? 748 00:34:16,516 --> 00:34:18,184 He obviously made his deal with the devil. 749 00:34:18,184 --> 00:34:21,020 You know, he's really the devil's representative, 750 00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:22,522 however you want to put it. 751 00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:25,942 But he wasn't happy with his deal, was he? 752 00:34:26,734 --> 00:34:28,277 See, that's what I often felt. 753 00:34:28,778 --> 00:34:31,030 People said, "Oh, he should have been punished." 754 00:34:31,823 --> 00:34:32,949 And my response always: 755 00:34:32,949 --> 00:34:36,327 "He was punished every day, this guy. 756 00:34:36,327 --> 00:34:39,831 You didn't see him be miserable for all these years?" 757 00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:43,167 It's a man in struggle. He doesn't have a religion. 758 00:34:43,167 --> 00:34:44,544 He doesn't believe in the government. 759 00:34:44,544 --> 00:34:46,295 Mr. Soprano was kind enough to come with us. 760 00:34:46,295 --> 00:34:49,215 He doesn't believe in anything except his code of honor. 761 00:34:49,215 --> 00:34:51,175 I'm sure Agent Harris explained 762 00:34:51,175 --> 00:34:52,969 that there's something we'd like you to hear. 763 00:34:52,969 --> 00:34:55,638 And his code of honor is all going to shit. 764 00:34:57,098 --> 00:35:00,393 What are you talking about, meetings? With who, for Christ's sake, Livia? 765 00:35:00,393 --> 00:35:01,811 All of them. 766 00:35:01,811 --> 00:35:02,937 Raymond. 767 00:35:02,937 --> 00:35:04,105 Larry. 768 00:35:04,105 --> 00:35:06,524 Three of my capos have their mothers in his place? 769 00:35:07,442 --> 00:35:10,278 If this is true, Livia, you know what I... 770 00:35:10,278 --> 00:35:11,863 I mean, I'm the boss, for Christ's sake. 771 00:35:11,863 --> 00:35:13,740 If I don't act, blood or no... 772 00:35:15,658 --> 00:35:17,034 I have to. 773 00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:19,495 Dead now, motherfucker. 774 00:35:24,584 --> 00:35:26,127 So he has nothing left 775 00:35:26,127 --> 00:35:27,879 and he's looking around and he doesn't-- 776 00:35:27,879 --> 00:35:29,464 It was that that searching 777 00:35:29,464 --> 00:35:31,799 that I think a lot of America does half the time. 778 00:35:31,799 --> 00:35:33,676 You can go buy things, you can do whatever, 779 00:35:33,676 --> 00:35:36,387 but it was that he had no center left. 780 00:35:36,387 --> 00:35:39,390 He's a guy who always tries to do the right thing in his mind, 781 00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:42,894 which ends up screwing up everybody's life, pretty much. 782 00:35:42,894 --> 00:35:44,562 He's always trying to do the right thing 783 00:35:44,562 --> 00:35:46,481 and it's never really the right thing. 784 00:35:48,024 --> 00:35:49,650 Like blowing up his friend's restaurant 785 00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:51,944 to stop a hit from being done there. 786 00:35:51,944 --> 00:35:53,696 He thinks it's the right thing, 787 00:35:53,696 --> 00:35:56,657 instead it reverberates down the path and screws up everybody's life. 788 00:35:58,910 --> 00:36:00,369 The fuck are you doing? 789 00:36:00,369 --> 00:36:01,621 Look me in the eye. 790 00:36:02,663 --> 00:36:06,084 Tell me you didn't lay a finger on my place. 791 00:36:06,876 --> 00:36:09,045 I think the show got deeper as it went on. 792 00:36:09,045 --> 00:36:10,755 I didn't burn down your restaurant. 793 00:36:10,755 --> 00:36:12,590 I think Jim was a lot of the reason for that. 794 00:36:12,590 --> 00:36:13,925 I swear on my mother. 795 00:36:18,888 --> 00:36:20,390 Jimmy had magic, 796 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:22,308 and I think that magic kind of 797 00:36:22,308 --> 00:36:24,936 permeated in concentric circles 798 00:36:24,936 --> 00:36:27,397 out to everybody else, the crew, the directors, 799 00:36:27,397 --> 00:36:29,440 the writers, the actors. 800 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,775 Very quiet. 801 00:36:33,403 --> 00:36:35,154 It was always great, 802 00:36:35,154 --> 00:36:37,490 from the beginning to the very end. 803 00:36:38,116 --> 00:36:40,243 Background! Action! 804 00:36:40,243 --> 00:36:43,287 It was like playing, it always felt like playing with him, 805 00:36:43,287 --> 00:36:45,039 the way little kids play. 806 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,458 Like, "You be the mommy and I'll be the daddy." 807 00:36:47,458 --> 00:36:50,336 It was as easy and carefree as that. 808 00:36:51,421 --> 00:36:53,131 22, take eight. Pick up eight mark. 809 00:36:54,173 --> 00:36:55,049 Action! 810 00:36:55,049 --> 00:36:56,134 Go ahead. 811 00:36:56,884 --> 00:36:58,594 Tell me again I sound like your wife. 812 00:37:00,638 --> 00:37:01,681 Go ahead. 813 00:37:05,351 --> 00:37:07,729 He would just, you know, fuck around. 814 00:37:08,646 --> 00:37:12,442 He would throw kisses at me and take his clothes off. 815 00:37:12,442 --> 00:37:15,778 I mean, he was just a lunatic. 816 00:37:17,071 --> 00:37:19,323 - Okay. - Wait a minute. Hold on. 817 00:37:19,323 --> 00:37:21,784 Go ahead. Tell me again I sound like your wife. 818 00:37:29,333 --> 00:37:31,044 He was great to that crew. 819 00:37:31,044 --> 00:37:32,253 Made them laugh. 820 00:37:33,129 --> 00:37:36,674 And he gave each of the cast members $30,000. 821 00:37:36,674 --> 00:37:38,760 You mean after his big negotiation 822 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,888 where he held out and HBO paid him a million dollars an episode? 823 00:37:41,888 --> 00:37:42,805 Yeah. 824 00:37:44,515 --> 00:37:46,142 When Jim got the deal, 825 00:37:46,142 --> 00:37:47,769 none of us even knew it was on the table. 826 00:37:47,769 --> 00:37:49,562 We didn't know to negotiate. 827 00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:52,231 I think he felt terrible about that. 828 00:37:52,231 --> 00:37:57,278 So he called us all into his trailer one by one 829 00:37:57,278 --> 00:37:59,739 and gave everybody a check for $30,000. 830 00:37:59,739 --> 00:38:01,032 What? 831 00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:06,120 I never got $30,000. 832 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,121 All right. 833 00:38:07,121 --> 00:38:09,499 This is where I turn the camera on you. 834 00:38:09,499 --> 00:38:11,167 No, I don't know anything about that. 835 00:38:11,167 --> 00:38:13,378 He gave money to cast members? 836 00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:15,213 Yeah, that makes-- That sounds like him. 837 00:38:15,797 --> 00:38:19,717 He was a very good-hearted, kind man. 838 00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:22,929 Looking out for his friends. 839 00:38:26,766 --> 00:38:28,559 He was a generous person. 840 00:38:29,185 --> 00:38:31,687 I think he felt HBO had fucked them. 841 00:38:31,687 --> 00:38:35,733 And he wanted to do something to make up for it, to help. 842 00:38:37,193 --> 00:38:40,530 I also think that there was maybe a shred of regret 843 00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:43,074 for the days he didn't show up for work. 844 00:38:43,074 --> 00:38:44,575 Everybody was ready... 845 00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:48,621 Where's Jim? 846 00:38:48,621 --> 00:38:52,208 Look, we all partied and we had a great fucking time. 847 00:38:52,208 --> 00:38:54,752 And maybe there were some mornings where it just 848 00:38:54,752 --> 00:38:57,588 was a little harder to get out of bed for all of us. 849 00:38:57,588 --> 00:38:59,257 It wasn't just Jim. 850 00:38:59,257 --> 00:39:02,760 What started to happen was, aside from the money that it cost, 851 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,013 there's the worry about, you know, what's happening to him. 852 00:39:07,473 --> 00:39:10,560 And then ultimately, he had to agree that we could dock him 853 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,730 $100,000 a day for every day he didn't show up. 854 00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:15,106 All right, this is a pick-up. 855 00:39:15,773 --> 00:39:18,276 I think what Jim didn't know or expect 856 00:39:18,985 --> 00:39:22,113 is just how difficult it is to be the lead of a series. 857 00:39:23,698 --> 00:39:25,867 I had no clue. 858 00:39:25,867 --> 00:39:27,952 I walked in with a big smile on my face 859 00:39:27,952 --> 00:39:30,997 and I got punched right in the nose and I said, 860 00:39:30,997 --> 00:39:32,665 "I got to figure out some way to do this." 861 00:39:32,665 --> 00:39:34,876 I had no clue how to prepare for it. 862 00:39:36,878 --> 00:39:41,466 You'll start Monday morning, usually 5:30, 6:00, even earlier. 863 00:39:41,466 --> 00:39:44,093 It'll go to... you go 14 hours. 864 00:39:44,093 --> 00:39:46,179 And because the actors have a 12-hour turnaround, 865 00:39:46,179 --> 00:39:48,014 you go 8:00 and you start at 8:00 the next day, 866 00:39:48,014 --> 00:39:49,140 then you work till 10:00, 867 00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:51,184 then you start 10:00 the next day, you'll work till 12:00. 868 00:39:51,184 --> 00:39:53,936 Then you're going to come home and you've got to memorize 869 00:39:53,936 --> 00:39:58,649 seven, eight pages, four or five scenes for the next day. 870 00:39:58,649 --> 00:40:00,401 And they can work you later on a Friday night. 871 00:40:00,401 --> 00:40:03,071 So Friday you're usually there till 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. 872 00:40:03,071 --> 00:40:05,782 Sometimes we've seen the sun come up on Saturday, 873 00:40:05,782 --> 00:40:08,201 and then Monday morning, you start all over again. 874 00:40:09,744 --> 00:40:13,039 He probably quit the show every other day, I would say. 875 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:14,582 You know, maybe every day. 876 00:40:14,582 --> 00:40:15,958 But giving him... 877 00:40:15,958 --> 00:40:17,835 Every other day, 878 00:40:17,835 --> 00:40:20,213 we would go to a bar and, you know... 879 00:40:21,422 --> 00:40:23,841 We would have the exact same conversation. 880 00:40:23,841 --> 00:40:27,387 We would get drunk, you know, say, "I'm done. 881 00:40:27,387 --> 00:40:28,805 I can't, I'm not going back." 882 00:40:28,805 --> 00:40:30,306 And I would say, "Okay, 883 00:40:30,306 --> 00:40:33,017 you got a hundred people depending on you here." 884 00:40:33,017 --> 00:40:36,521 You know? And he's like, "Ah yeah, yeah. Okay." 885 00:40:36,521 --> 00:40:37,688 You know. 886 00:40:38,314 --> 00:40:40,233 So usually he would come back. 887 00:40:40,233 --> 00:40:43,361 But then a few times, he disappeared for a few days. 888 00:40:43,361 --> 00:40:44,779 You know, it just got to him. 889 00:40:47,573 --> 00:40:49,075 And action. 890 00:40:49,867 --> 00:40:52,370 I'm going to tell you something you're not going to like. 891 00:40:55,456 --> 00:40:56,416 Fuck. 892 00:40:56,958 --> 00:40:58,084 Just cut it. 893 00:40:59,419 --> 00:41:00,670 This fucking scene. 894 00:41:01,587 --> 00:41:06,050 He felt that he had to go to places, he said, that were 895 00:41:07,635 --> 00:41:08,761 destructive to him. 896 00:41:08,761 --> 00:41:09,679 You know what? 897 00:41:10,304 --> 00:41:13,349 - And painful for him. - You're fucking crazy. 898 00:41:13,975 --> 00:41:16,269 All I ever asked for was kindness. 899 00:41:16,269 --> 00:41:17,520 Come here. 900 00:41:18,646 --> 00:41:20,481 You listen to me and you listen to me good. 901 00:41:21,274 --> 00:41:23,109 No more calls, no more nothing. 902 00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:25,361 You see me, you cross the street. 903 00:41:25,361 --> 00:41:27,613 You're a dangerous fuck and I don't want you in my life. 904 00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:30,366 No, don't. Don't go! 905 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:32,034 I'll call your wife! 906 00:41:35,371 --> 00:41:36,205 What'd you say? 907 00:41:38,666 --> 00:41:41,461 I'll go to Columbia. I'll tell your daughter about us. 908 00:41:42,045 --> 00:41:44,589 Some of the things I'll use to get angry 909 00:41:45,882 --> 00:41:48,342 are... lack of sleep 910 00:41:50,053 --> 00:41:52,388 will piss you off to no end. 911 00:41:53,681 --> 00:41:55,433 Sleep two, three hours a night for two nights 912 00:41:55,433 --> 00:41:59,270 before you have a violent scene, every single thing that anyone does 913 00:41:59,270 --> 00:42:00,605 will piss you off. 914 00:42:01,647 --> 00:42:02,940 Now you listen to me. 915 00:42:03,649 --> 00:42:05,985 You go near my wife or my family, 916 00:42:05,985 --> 00:42:07,236 and I'll fucking kill you. 917 00:42:07,236 --> 00:42:09,280 You understand me? I'll fucking kill you. 918 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,408 Kill me. Kill me, you cocksucker. 919 00:42:12,408 --> 00:42:14,660 I'll do a lot of weird things. Bang my head on things. 920 00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:16,204 You do whatever you need to do. 921 00:42:16,204 --> 00:42:18,081 Put a rock in your shoe, a very pointy rock. 922 00:42:18,081 --> 00:42:19,415 Walk around with that all day. 923 00:42:20,249 --> 00:42:22,668 I mean, it's silly, but it works. You're mad. 924 00:42:23,586 --> 00:42:25,630 And slowly, things become more accessible to you. 925 00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:27,757 But I find I need to be alone. 926 00:42:28,424 --> 00:42:30,927 I'm not the type that's going to be chatting a lot 927 00:42:30,927 --> 00:42:32,762 before I have to do something. 928 00:42:32,762 --> 00:42:34,472 I'll drink six cups of coffee. 929 00:42:35,223 --> 00:42:36,974 I don't recommend that to anybody, but... 930 00:42:37,767 --> 00:42:39,060 And then you're mad. 931 00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:41,396 I'll try anything to get where I have to go. 932 00:42:41,396 --> 00:42:43,272 As long as it's not gonna hurt anybody. 933 00:42:43,773 --> 00:42:47,151 Fucking goddamn! Fucking bitch! 934 00:42:48,236 --> 00:42:49,529 Goddamn it, Tony! 935 00:43:01,582 --> 00:43:03,292 He would get himself ready for a scene 936 00:43:03,292 --> 00:43:05,169 by punching the inside of the car so much 937 00:43:05,169 --> 00:43:06,546 his knuckles would be bruised. 938 00:43:06,546 --> 00:43:09,048 He'd have to do these things to himself. 939 00:43:13,428 --> 00:43:17,348 When Jim killed the snitch, he really hurt his hands. 940 00:43:17,348 --> 00:43:19,434 The rope or whatever it was. 941 00:43:24,397 --> 00:43:26,023 He was incredibly invested 942 00:43:26,023 --> 00:43:28,359 in making that character believable, 943 00:43:28,359 --> 00:43:31,237 and unless you're really diligent, 944 00:43:31,237 --> 00:43:33,239 you can end up taking your work home. 945 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,533 As an actor, that's not always a great idea. 946 00:43:35,533 --> 00:43:39,579 So yeah, I think it may have taken a toll on him. 947 00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:45,668 When you said to me, "He said it was difficult for him," 948 00:43:45,668 --> 00:43:47,128 and I said, "That's what he said." 949 00:43:47,128 --> 00:43:48,129 Right. 950 00:43:48,129 --> 00:43:51,549 To a certain extent, I'm being a wiseass 951 00:43:51,549 --> 00:43:54,844 because obviously there was other things going on in his life also. 952 00:43:55,678 --> 00:43:59,140 And he had some problems which are now well-known 953 00:44:00,558 --> 00:44:02,560 that were continuing to go on. 954 00:44:03,269 --> 00:44:05,313 How do you recover from a shoot like that? 955 00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:07,273 You drink. 956 00:44:07,273 --> 00:44:09,275 I don't know. 957 00:44:10,651 --> 00:44:14,906 We did an intervention with him at my apartment in New York, 958 00:44:16,032 --> 00:44:19,160 and that was to try to get him to go 959 00:44:19,911 --> 00:44:22,997 to a facility, you know, for rehab. 960 00:44:22,997 --> 00:44:26,084 And we had had a lot of friction by that point. 961 00:44:26,084 --> 00:44:30,380 And the ruse was I was inviting Jimmy over 962 00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:33,132 so we could talk things through and clear the air. 963 00:44:34,258 --> 00:44:37,095 And then he came up, everybody, 964 00:44:37,095 --> 00:44:39,430 we had the rehearsal the day before or whatever. 965 00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:41,391 His sister, everybody were there, 966 00:44:41,391 --> 00:44:43,518 and he walked in, he saw everybody sitting there, 967 00:44:43,518 --> 00:44:45,353 and he went, "Oh, fuck this." 968 00:44:45,353 --> 00:44:48,272 And he walked out and everybody went, "Jimmy." 969 00:44:48,272 --> 00:44:51,067 And he turned to me and he went, "Fire me." 970 00:44:52,026 --> 00:44:53,194 And he left. 971 00:44:57,532 --> 00:44:59,659 Jim had, you know, like all of us, 972 00:44:59,659 --> 00:45:01,536 his own things to work out. 973 00:45:01,536 --> 00:45:05,289 And his life changed dramatically in the course of that show. 974 00:45:05,289 --> 00:45:06,499 Relax, man. 975 00:45:06,499 --> 00:45:09,168 Get the fuck away from me. You understand me? 976 00:45:09,168 --> 00:45:10,712 Yeah. Just relax. 977 00:45:11,754 --> 00:45:13,631 I'm gonna break your fucking face. 978 00:45:13,631 --> 00:45:16,843 He went from being a relatively unknown actor 979 00:45:16,843 --> 00:45:19,846 to being a huge star, extremely recognizable, 980 00:45:19,846 --> 00:45:22,223 and it was a little strange for him, 981 00:45:22,223 --> 00:45:25,518 that kind of eradication of privacy. 982 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,981 He was really in the spotlight wherever he went. 983 00:45:29,981 --> 00:45:31,566 He didn't blend into the crowd. 984 00:45:31,566 --> 00:45:33,401 Stop it. My kid's with me. 985 00:45:33,401 --> 00:45:35,403 And he was very different than Tony Soprano. 986 00:45:36,154 --> 00:45:37,530 He was very laid back. 987 00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:39,282 You know, he wore Birkenstocks 988 00:45:39,282 --> 00:45:41,951 and liked Green Day and AC/DC. 989 00:45:41,951 --> 00:45:44,370 - What kind of puppy? - He's a Chihuahua Pomeranian. 990 00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:46,914 What's funny is that a lot of fans look at Tony Soprano 991 00:45:46,914 --> 00:45:48,374 as kind of a role model, 992 00:45:48,374 --> 00:45:51,127 which is very scary in a lot of ways. 993 00:45:51,669 --> 00:45:54,297 So maybe that, you know, I mean, he probably felt that. 994 00:45:55,339 --> 00:45:57,675 People thinking he's Tony Soprano and he's not. 995 00:45:58,468 --> 00:46:01,387 He's really a good guy and really complicated. 996 00:46:02,472 --> 00:46:03,473 You might say, 997 00:46:05,433 --> 00:46:06,684 and I'm not sure about this, 998 00:46:06,684 --> 00:46:10,313 maybe there was more Tony there than he wanted to admit. 999 00:46:10,313 --> 00:46:12,023 That it was too easy for him. 1000 00:46:12,023 --> 00:46:13,649 Can I tell you something, Tony? 1001 00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:15,735 Don't pretend like I got a choice. 1002 00:46:16,527 --> 00:46:17,528 The last year, 1003 00:46:18,404 --> 00:46:21,699 I have been dreaming, and fantasizing, 1004 00:46:21,699 --> 00:46:23,284 and in love with Furio. 1005 00:46:30,208 --> 00:46:32,668 He talked to you! Oh, poor you! 1006 00:46:32,668 --> 00:46:34,545 He made me feel like I mattered! 1007 00:46:34,545 --> 00:46:36,130 You asked me the other day, 1008 00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:37,882 what Irina's cousin has that you don't have. 1009 00:46:37,882 --> 00:46:40,885 And I thought about it because it's a good fucking question. 1010 00:46:40,885 --> 00:46:43,054 And she's sexy enough, even with the one pin gone, 1011 00:46:43,054 --> 00:46:44,055 but that's not it. 1012 00:46:44,055 --> 00:46:46,808 I could converse with her 'cause she had something to say! 1013 00:46:46,808 --> 00:46:48,810 I am here! 1014 00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:50,186 I have things to say! 1015 00:46:50,186 --> 00:46:52,188 Besides "Bring the fucking chairs down" 1016 00:46:52,188 --> 00:46:53,523 and "Did you sign the living trust?" 1017 00:46:53,523 --> 00:46:56,192 She's a grown fucking woman who's been kicked around! 1018 00:46:56,192 --> 00:46:58,528 And she's been on her own and she's had to fight! 1019 00:46:58,528 --> 00:46:59,737 And struggle! 1020 00:46:59,737 --> 00:47:01,531 Unlike me, is that it? 1021 00:47:01,531 --> 00:47:03,950 Who the fuck wanted it like this? 1022 00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:07,203 Who the fuck pissed and moaned at just the idea 1023 00:47:07,203 --> 00:47:09,163 of me with a fucking real estate license? 1024 00:47:09,163 --> 00:47:11,666 Free to sit back for 20 fucking years 1025 00:47:11,666 --> 00:47:13,292 and fiddle with the air conditioning, 1026 00:47:13,292 --> 00:47:15,086 and fucking bitch and complain 1027 00:47:15,086 --> 00:47:18,339 and fucking bitch, bitch, bitch to me! 1028 00:47:18,339 --> 00:47:20,466 To your priest! Fuck it! 1029 00:47:22,427 --> 00:47:24,929 And people say, "Oh, the show got darker." Well... 1030 00:47:26,097 --> 00:47:27,265 he got darker. 1031 00:47:34,272 --> 00:47:35,773 I am Resurrection. 1032 00:47:37,608 --> 00:47:39,819 And I am Life, says the Lord. 1033 00:47:41,821 --> 00:47:44,407 Whoever has faith in me shall have life, 1034 00:47:46,242 --> 00:47:47,785 even though he died... 1035 00:47:49,495 --> 00:47:51,247 And everyone who has life 1036 00:47:51,247 --> 00:47:54,917 and has committed himself to me in faith, 1037 00:47:56,961 --> 00:47:58,171 shall not die forever. 1038 00:48:01,591 --> 00:48:03,426 Jim, if heaven exists, 1039 00:48:03,426 --> 00:48:06,304 what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates? 1040 00:48:07,388 --> 00:48:09,849 Take over for a while. I'll be right back. 1041 00:48:10,475 --> 00:48:12,643 No, no, no. 1042 00:48:12,643 --> 00:48:14,937 That's it. 1043 00:48:14,937 --> 00:48:17,857 You dare not change it. It's too good. 1044 00:48:17,857 --> 00:48:19,484 Think of the possibilities. 1045 00:48:24,489 --> 00:48:26,657 This is years after the show ended. 1046 00:48:27,408 --> 00:48:28,659 His agent called me. 1047 00:48:33,164 --> 00:48:34,165 And she said... 1048 00:48:35,583 --> 00:48:37,293 She was, I don't mean blunt, 1049 00:48:37,418 --> 00:48:39,420 she was just very straightforward about it. 1050 00:48:41,172 --> 00:48:42,423 Were you surprised? 1051 00:48:42,423 --> 00:48:43,508 No. 1052 00:48:48,221 --> 00:48:49,138 Dear Jimmy, 1053 00:48:50,515 --> 00:48:52,934 your family asked me to speak at your service, 1054 00:48:52,934 --> 00:48:55,645 and I am so honored and touched. 1055 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,941 I tried to write a traditional eulogy, 1056 00:49:01,025 --> 00:49:03,444 but it came out like bad TV. 1057 00:49:05,530 --> 00:49:06,906 So I'm writing you this letter, 1058 00:49:06,906 --> 00:49:08,991 but it is being done to and for an audience, 1059 00:49:08,991 --> 00:49:10,952 so we'll give the funny opening a try. 1060 00:49:11,661 --> 00:49:14,372 One day we were on the set shooting a scene, 1061 00:49:14,372 --> 00:49:17,500 and it said, "Tony opens the door angrily and he closes it, 1062 00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:18,668 then he starts to speak." 1063 00:49:19,377 --> 00:49:22,964 The cameras rolled and you opened the refrigerator door, 1064 00:49:22,964 --> 00:49:24,799 and you slammed it really hard, 1065 00:49:24,799 --> 00:49:26,759 and you kept slamming it and slamming it 1066 00:49:26,759 --> 00:49:28,720 and you went apeshit on that refrigerator. 1067 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,888 And so we finally had to call cut. 1068 00:49:30,888 --> 00:49:34,100 And I remember you saying, "Ah, this role, 1069 00:49:35,143 --> 00:49:36,519 the places it takes me to 1070 00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:39,397 and the things I have to do, it's so dark." 1071 00:49:39,397 --> 00:49:40,606 And I remember saying, 1072 00:49:40,606 --> 00:49:42,942 "Did I tell you to destroy the refrigerator? 1073 00:49:42,942 --> 00:49:45,027 Did it say anywhere in the script, 1074 00:49:45,027 --> 00:49:46,487 'Tony destroys the refrigerator'? 1075 00:49:48,448 --> 00:49:51,784 It says, 'Tony angrily shuts the refrigerator door.' 1076 00:49:51,784 --> 00:49:53,119 That's what it says. 1077 00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:54,912 You destroyed the refrigerator." 1078 00:49:58,374 --> 00:50:00,710 Another memory image of you that comes to mind is, 1079 00:50:00,710 --> 00:50:02,837 we were shooting in that really hot summer 1080 00:50:02,837 --> 00:50:04,756 in humid New Jersey heat. 1081 00:50:04,756 --> 00:50:07,216 And you were sitting in an aluminum beach chair 1082 00:50:08,259 --> 00:50:10,219 with a wet handkerchief on your head. 1083 00:50:11,512 --> 00:50:13,765 And I was filled with love. 1084 00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:18,311 And I knew then that I was in the right place. 1085 00:50:19,353 --> 00:50:20,229 Because... 1086 00:50:21,856 --> 00:50:24,067 I said, "Wow, I haven't seen that done 1087 00:50:24,067 --> 00:50:28,529 since my father used to do it and my Italian uncles used to do it 1088 00:50:28,529 --> 00:50:30,865 and my Italian grandfather used to do it 1089 00:50:30,865 --> 00:50:33,409 it in this same hot sun in New Jersey." 1090 00:50:33,409 --> 00:50:37,413 And I was so proud of our heritage. 1091 00:50:44,921 --> 00:50:47,965 It made me so proud of our heritage to see you do that. 1092 00:50:48,966 --> 00:50:51,344 I really feel that, though I'm older than you, 1093 00:50:51,344 --> 00:50:54,597 that, and always felt, that we are brothers. 1094 00:50:55,556 --> 00:50:58,309 Now, to talk about a third guy between us, 1095 00:50:58,309 --> 00:51:00,603 there was you and me and this third guy. 1096 00:51:01,562 --> 00:51:04,690 People always say, "Tony Soprano, 1097 00:51:04,690 --> 00:51:07,318 why did we love him so much when he was such a prick?" 1098 00:51:08,194 --> 00:51:10,822 And my theory was, is they saw the little boy. 1099 00:51:11,906 --> 00:51:13,574 They felt and they loved the little boy. 1100 00:51:13,574 --> 00:51:15,743 And they sensed his love and hurt. 1101 00:51:16,619 --> 00:51:19,247 And you brought all of that to it. 1102 00:51:19,956 --> 00:51:21,124 Cut it. 1103 00:51:22,625 --> 00:51:23,793 Let's go again. 1104 00:51:24,752 --> 00:51:28,214 Working with Jim as Tony, when you were writing, 1105 00:51:28,214 --> 00:51:30,591 did you see elements of yourself in Tony? 1106 00:51:32,552 --> 00:51:34,429 Toward the end, I began to. 1107 00:51:35,471 --> 00:51:39,058 I was beginning to see that we had merged in some way, 1108 00:51:39,058 --> 00:51:40,268 some strange way. 1109 00:51:42,145 --> 00:51:43,604 There were two Davids. 1110 00:51:43,604 --> 00:51:46,607 He was so fucking funny when he wanted to be. 1111 00:51:46,607 --> 00:51:50,236 He was so, so great when he wanted to be. 1112 00:51:51,112 --> 00:51:57,243 But this person that knowingly made you feel like 1113 00:51:58,035 --> 00:52:03,207 you... had some hand in the cause 1114 00:52:03,207 --> 00:52:06,878 of his dour state or whatever, or his unhappy-- 1115 00:52:06,878 --> 00:52:09,047 or you had to do something 1116 00:52:09,047 --> 00:52:11,215 to make him happy or whatever, 1117 00:52:11,215 --> 00:52:13,426 that wasn't going to happen. 1118 00:52:14,886 --> 00:52:19,223 The third season comes along, and I didn't go back, you know? 1119 00:52:23,603 --> 00:52:24,729 I wasn't happy. 1120 00:52:26,898 --> 00:52:31,235 A large part of what happened to me is that it became toxic. 1121 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,989 We didn't leave that room except to go on the set, 1122 00:52:34,989 --> 00:52:40,286 which was its own exhausting, you know, horror. 1123 00:52:40,286 --> 00:52:42,121 You know, just a lot of work, 1124 00:52:42,121 --> 00:52:44,665 just have to be there and not really have a role 1125 00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:46,876 that your mind could-- 1126 00:52:46,876 --> 00:52:49,128 You know, at the end, my mind was not on it. 1127 00:52:49,128 --> 00:52:51,047 And he knew that. And he was mad. 1128 00:52:51,047 --> 00:52:54,592 I made a couple of bad mistakes. I did. 1129 00:52:55,385 --> 00:52:57,220 You know, when he fired me, 1130 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:00,848 we were in that, it was so awful. 1131 00:53:00,848 --> 00:53:02,183 And he... 1132 00:53:02,183 --> 00:53:05,395 Everything that David accused me of I did. 1133 00:53:05,395 --> 00:53:08,689 I interrupted him during conversations with other people. 1134 00:53:08,689 --> 00:53:11,109 That was one thing I did. 1135 00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:12,985 I did, like, a few bad things. 1136 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,199 And that was what-- 1137 00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:22,328 that ultimately was what it was with me and him. 1138 00:53:22,328 --> 00:53:24,580 Because you had to behave yourself. 1139 00:53:25,957 --> 00:53:28,876 You had to behave. He's a very coded person. 1140 00:53:28,876 --> 00:53:32,171 He has a code of cool and behavior 1141 00:53:32,171 --> 00:53:34,632 and what is acceptable and what is not. 1142 00:53:34,632 --> 00:53:36,926 And I think that I, 1143 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,263 you know, I probably 1144 00:53:41,055 --> 00:53:43,558 morphed into that mother category 1145 00:53:43,558 --> 00:53:47,395 of, you know, black-holedness for him, you know. 1146 00:53:47,979 --> 00:53:50,398 In the writers' room, it's collaborative. 1147 00:53:51,107 --> 00:53:52,442 But it's still your vision. 1148 00:53:52,442 --> 00:53:53,609 Did that cause tension? 1149 00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:55,153 Let's put it this way, 1150 00:53:55,153 --> 00:53:57,447 I used to sometimes get very angry 1151 00:53:58,614 --> 00:54:00,533 because no one was coming up with anything. 1152 00:54:00,533 --> 00:54:04,328 And then, since those days, I've thought, 1153 00:54:04,912 --> 00:54:07,165 "Yeah, maybe that's because you said no to everything. 1154 00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:08,833 So they stopped." 1155 00:54:10,168 --> 00:54:11,753 This attitude of yours, 1156 00:54:11,753 --> 00:54:14,672 it's a lot of what's made you an effective leader. 1157 00:54:14,672 --> 00:54:17,216 But we all got flaws, even you. 1158 00:54:18,634 --> 00:54:21,846 Seven deadly sins, and yours is pride. 1159 00:54:23,723 --> 00:54:26,434 David, look, you know, he's very uncompromising, 1160 00:54:26,434 --> 00:54:29,479 but there has to be a part of you that is ruthless and merciless 1161 00:54:29,479 --> 00:54:31,647 when it comes to protecting the art. 1162 00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:35,026 I think that's true with every art form. 1163 00:54:37,195 --> 00:54:38,196 All due respect, 1164 00:54:39,197 --> 00:54:42,075 you got no fucking idea what it's like to be number one. 1165 00:54:42,658 --> 00:54:44,202 Every decision you make 1166 00:54:44,202 --> 00:54:46,913 affects every facet of every other fucking thing. 1167 00:54:46,913 --> 00:54:48,623 It's too much to deal with, almost. 1168 00:54:49,499 --> 00:54:50,416 And in the end, 1169 00:54:51,167 --> 00:54:52,543 you're completely alone with it all. 1170 00:54:54,504 --> 00:54:56,964 There was an enormous amount of pressure on him 1171 00:54:56,964 --> 00:54:59,092 because now you're... 1172 00:55:00,343 --> 00:55:02,595 you set the bar really high 1173 00:55:02,595 --> 00:55:05,515 and you gotta surpass it every year, you know? 1174 00:55:05,515 --> 00:55:06,682 You got to make it better. 1175 00:55:06,682 --> 00:55:08,726 Not just satisfy the audience, 1176 00:55:08,726 --> 00:55:11,062 but make it better, more interesting, stranger. 1177 00:55:11,646 --> 00:55:13,439 Think about the risks he took. 1178 00:55:13,439 --> 00:55:17,527 You know, his whimsical nature, that wonder. 1179 00:55:17,527 --> 00:55:19,028 "And what if we just do this?" 1180 00:55:19,028 --> 00:55:20,446 Think I want to come home. 1181 00:55:20,446 --> 00:55:22,448 There are some non-negotiable conditions. 1182 00:55:22,448 --> 00:55:23,741 Like what? 1183 00:55:23,741 --> 00:55:25,451 You can't have your horse in here. 1184 00:55:25,451 --> 00:55:27,370 - Why not? - Are you kidding me? 1185 00:55:27,370 --> 00:55:30,123 The smell and shit all over the place? 1186 00:55:30,123 --> 00:55:31,541 I'll clean up after her. 1187 00:55:31,541 --> 00:55:32,875 You always say that. 1188 00:55:33,793 --> 00:55:37,463 It really was just from this guy's heart and imagination. 1189 00:55:37,463 --> 00:55:40,299 And we knew if you wanted to even change a word 1190 00:55:40,299 --> 00:55:43,553 of your dialogue, they're like, "We got to call the Master Cylinder," 1191 00:55:43,553 --> 00:55:45,847 - which is what we referred to him as. - The Master Cylinder? 1192 00:55:45,847 --> 00:55:49,100 The Master Cylinder up in the tower somewhere. 1193 00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:51,728 And we'd wait to get the word back, "He said that's all right" 1194 00:55:51,728 --> 00:55:53,229 or "No, keep it as it is." 1195 00:55:53,229 --> 00:55:56,733 But 'cause it mattered to him and it was his-- it was his project. 1196 00:55:57,233 --> 00:56:00,153 You know, we were there to serve his project. 1197 00:56:00,153 --> 00:56:01,487 Everybody, eyes right here. 1198 00:56:01,487 --> 00:56:03,281 That's what we're hired to do. 1199 00:56:05,658 --> 00:56:06,659 Just hug me. 1200 00:56:10,329 --> 00:56:13,207 The person who set the highest standards was David. 1201 00:56:13,207 --> 00:56:14,417 And it did torment him. 1202 00:56:14,417 --> 00:56:16,377 And he was never satisfied with the work. 1203 00:56:17,545 --> 00:56:19,422 He was one of those guys that just... 1204 00:56:21,382 --> 00:56:22,592 "David, enjoy it." 1205 00:56:24,886 --> 00:56:26,262 Come on, buddy. 1206 00:56:26,262 --> 00:56:27,972 David, congrats, man. 1207 00:56:27,972 --> 00:56:29,599 - How are you? Thank you. - Good. 1208 00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:31,142 It's good to see you too. 1209 00:56:36,355 --> 00:56:39,192 Every couple of decades or so, 1210 00:56:39,192 --> 00:56:41,986 somebody comes along and changes the game. 1211 00:56:43,571 --> 00:56:45,990 The nice thing about being from New Jersey 1212 00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:48,117 is they never see us coming. 1213 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,165 Uncompromising, unrelenting, 1214 00:56:54,165 --> 00:56:58,211 innovative, idealistic, romantic to a fault, 1215 00:56:59,087 --> 00:57:02,673 and, yes, a cynical, self-destructive contrarian. 1216 00:57:03,758 --> 00:57:06,636 In other words, my kind of guy. 1217 00:57:27,907 --> 00:57:30,535 Change my meat to Black Forest. 1218 00:57:53,975 --> 00:57:55,852 Fucking dreams, Jesus Christ. 1219 00:57:55,852 --> 00:57:57,478 I want to talk to you about dreams. 1220 00:57:57,478 --> 00:57:58,396 It's all right. 1221 00:57:58,396 --> 00:58:01,023 Dreams and movies are so close, 1222 00:58:01,733 --> 00:58:04,444 that you can go from right here in this room-- 1223 00:58:04,444 --> 00:58:06,863 Bam! To, you know, anywhere. 1224 00:58:06,863 --> 00:58:08,281 Right. Free association. 1225 00:58:08,281 --> 00:58:09,365 Yeah. 1226 00:58:35,224 --> 00:58:36,059 Come on, Ton. 1227 00:58:36,059 --> 00:58:38,478 Sooner or later, you got to face facts. 1228 00:58:38,478 --> 00:58:40,813 - I don't want to hear it. - Well, you're gonna hear it. 1229 00:58:50,406 --> 00:58:54,410 I had dreams for a long time I had murdered someone. 1230 00:58:58,623 --> 00:59:01,834 And the weight of it got to me too late in the game. 1231 00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:04,629 And I was saying to myself in the dream, 1232 00:59:04,629 --> 00:59:06,130 "What did you do that for? 1233 00:59:07,340 --> 00:59:10,093 You've thrown everything away. You're finished. 1234 00:59:11,010 --> 00:59:12,720 The hell did you do that for?" 1235 00:59:13,888 --> 00:59:15,056 And now the news... 1236 00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:27,652 You want to take it for a test drive? 1237 00:59:30,405 --> 00:59:33,324 The fun thing about dreams in The Sopranos is that 1238 00:59:33,324 --> 00:59:35,701 when you've got a character who's supposed to be, 1239 00:59:35,701 --> 00:59:37,036 you know, in control, 1240 00:59:37,745 --> 00:59:39,872 but dreams, you're never in control. 1241 00:59:39,872 --> 00:59:41,457 No, never. 1242 00:59:53,469 --> 00:59:57,432 In the Kevin Finnerty dream sequence, what was Tony trying to get at? 1243 00:59:57,432 --> 00:59:58,766 What the hell? 1244 01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:01,978 This isn't my wallet. 1245 01:00:03,438 --> 01:00:04,522 Oh, no. 1246 01:00:04,522 --> 01:00:08,025 He was saying, "Who am I and where am I going?" 1247 01:00:09,402 --> 01:00:10,570 And he was terrified. 1248 01:00:13,114 --> 01:00:17,160 Tony's fatal flaw as a mobster is that he had a conscience. 1249 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,829 Listen, we're just impressed to be in the presence of a man 1250 01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:22,081 whose sales team snatched the brass ring 1251 01:00:22,081 --> 01:00:23,916 12 consecutive quarters. 1252 01:00:23,916 --> 01:00:25,793 I mean, it's not such a big deal. 1253 01:00:27,003 --> 01:00:28,296 There's always a faster gun. 1254 01:00:30,423 --> 01:00:32,550 As David even said, Tony in another life 1255 01:00:32,550 --> 01:00:34,385 would be a guy who sells lawn furniture 1256 01:00:34,385 --> 01:00:36,095 on the Garden State Parkway. 1257 01:00:36,095 --> 01:00:37,805 And Kevin Finnerty, 1258 01:00:37,805 --> 01:00:39,974 that was the alternate version of who Tony was. 1259 01:00:39,974 --> 01:00:41,476 I came here because 1260 01:00:41,476 --> 01:00:44,145 I thought you could help me reach Finnerty. 1261 01:00:45,104 --> 01:00:46,230 Now, I have his wallet. 1262 01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:49,108 I have his briefcase, but I'm not him. 1263 01:00:49,108 --> 01:00:50,985 One day we will all die, 1264 01:00:51,611 --> 01:00:53,863 and then we'll be the same as that tree. 1265 01:00:53,863 --> 01:00:55,448 No me, no you. 1266 01:00:56,491 --> 01:01:00,286 At his core, he understands right from wrong. 1267 01:01:00,286 --> 01:01:02,497 And again, you're in the wrong business 1268 01:01:02,497 --> 01:01:04,582 if you're going to be worrying about stuff like that 1269 01:01:04,582 --> 01:01:06,918 because you're going to be doing a lot of wrong. 1270 01:01:07,043 --> 01:01:08,503 I had fucked-up dreams last night. 1271 01:01:09,587 --> 01:01:10,588 Fever dreams. 1272 01:01:12,882 --> 01:01:14,884 I shot this guy. He's a friend of mine. 1273 01:01:15,426 --> 01:01:17,762 So, you know, it's interesting that Tony, 1274 01:01:17,762 --> 01:01:19,764 he had the outlet in therapy. 1275 01:01:19,764 --> 01:01:21,974 I was-- I was filled with... 1276 01:01:21,974 --> 01:01:23,810 - Anger. - Yeah, right. Anger. 1277 01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:24,977 You know everything. 1278 01:01:24,977 --> 01:01:26,979 You've never dealt with your anger. 1279 01:01:26,979 --> 01:01:28,189 And look at the cost. 1280 01:01:28,189 --> 01:01:30,983 You are the biggest threat to yourself. 1281 01:01:31,734 --> 01:01:33,403 But that's what being a human being is. 1282 01:01:33,403 --> 01:01:36,155 But some people are more self-destructive than others. 1283 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,868 You just wash it down like a pill. 1284 01:01:41,619 --> 01:01:44,705 And then peyote, you know, later on in the show. 1285 01:01:44,705 --> 01:01:48,543 Which was another way of him sort of exploring the bigger picture. 1286 01:01:50,795 --> 01:01:51,879 I get it. 1287 01:01:59,887 --> 01:02:00,972 I get it! 1288 01:02:12,191 --> 01:02:14,402 At the beginning of every episode, 1289 01:02:14,402 --> 01:02:17,655 we'd all sit around a table and read through the script together. 1290 01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:20,992 But we'd all walk in kind of like, "Are you all right?" 1291 01:02:20,992 --> 01:02:23,870 Kind of like, "Is this your last episode?" 1292 01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:26,914 It's like, you never really knew who was going to be around 1293 01:02:26,914 --> 01:02:29,292 for the next couple of episodes. It was hysterical. 1294 01:02:29,292 --> 01:02:31,419 And we'd all be like, "Hey, no, I'm good." 1295 01:02:32,378 --> 01:02:33,755 We were all scared of it. 1296 01:02:34,464 --> 01:02:38,009 Yeah, the guys were like, "Who's gonna get it next?" 1297 01:02:38,885 --> 01:02:42,555 And the ritual was if David invited you for lunch or dinner, 1298 01:02:43,264 --> 01:02:44,640 you were fucked. 1299 01:02:45,433 --> 01:02:48,770 The phone call from the Master Cylinder. 1300 01:02:50,521 --> 01:02:52,648 But, you know, he's the boss. 1301 01:02:54,317 --> 01:02:56,277 The part of you that you were seeing in Tony, 1302 01:02:56,277 --> 01:02:58,237 was the boss part? The idea that you're-- 1303 01:02:58,237 --> 01:03:00,865 Well, I thought that... 1304 01:03:02,116 --> 01:03:03,493 You fucking-- 1305 01:03:03,493 --> 01:03:05,703 ...when someone had to die on the show, 1306 01:03:09,165 --> 01:03:10,666 I would have to tell the actor. 1307 01:03:12,168 --> 01:03:14,587 And it was hard for me. 1308 01:03:16,089 --> 01:03:16,964 Jesus Christ. 1309 01:03:18,341 --> 01:03:20,218 People were really broken up about it. 1310 01:03:20,218 --> 01:03:21,469 I got to sit down. 1311 01:03:22,637 --> 01:03:24,138 I feel like I can't stand. 1312 01:03:24,138 --> 01:03:25,681 Some would kind of beg, almost. 1313 01:03:25,681 --> 01:03:27,809 - Is that okay, Tony? - 'Cause it's their job. 1314 01:03:27,809 --> 01:03:28,810 It's their livelihood. 1315 01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:33,106 Vincent Pastore, Big Pussy. 1316 01:03:33,106 --> 01:03:34,899 We fought for him. 1317 01:03:34,899 --> 01:03:37,151 "Don't kill him. Don't kill him, David. 1318 01:03:37,151 --> 01:03:38,945 Give him another season." 1319 01:03:38,945 --> 01:03:40,113 Well, you know what? 1320 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,657 This is a mob show. 1321 01:03:42,657 --> 01:03:43,825 People gotta go. 1322 01:03:44,325 --> 01:03:45,618 Oh, fuck. 1323 01:03:46,911 --> 01:03:47,870 Adriana. 1324 01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:50,331 And I tried to distance myself with all of it. 1325 01:03:50,331 --> 01:03:51,541 What about her? 1326 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:54,794 Feds. 1327 01:03:55,545 --> 01:03:57,505 By thinking the way he was thinking. 1328 01:03:57,505 --> 01:03:58,506 Gotta go. 1329 01:04:02,093 --> 01:04:03,678 Jesus fucking Christ. 1330 01:04:03,678 --> 01:04:05,596 Once we made the decision 1331 01:04:05,596 --> 01:04:08,683 that Adriana was going to start cooperating with the feds, 1332 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,935 the writing was on the wall. 1333 01:04:11,561 --> 01:04:14,897 At some point, this was not going to end well for Adriana. 1334 01:04:15,481 --> 01:04:16,941 I'm going to take care of it. 1335 01:04:17,817 --> 01:04:20,403 David sat me down on set 1336 01:04:20,403 --> 01:04:22,697 and he said, "I'm going to shoot this two ways. 1337 01:04:22,697 --> 01:04:25,575 I'm going to shoot it where you get away, 1338 01:04:26,784 --> 01:04:28,911 and I'm going to shoot it where they kill you, 1339 01:04:29,662 --> 01:04:32,540 and no one's going to know how it ends until it airs. 1340 01:04:33,332 --> 01:04:36,169 Because we have confidentiality issues on the set, 1341 01:04:37,003 --> 01:04:39,130 nobody can know what's really going on." 1342 01:04:39,130 --> 01:04:41,049 And I said, "But I'm going to be dead. 1343 01:04:41,924 --> 01:04:43,426 And I'm not going to be on the show anymore." 1344 01:04:43,426 --> 01:04:44,927 And he was like... 1345 01:04:46,721 --> 01:04:47,805 And I took another job 1346 01:04:48,514 --> 01:04:50,683 because I didn't know, and I was scared, 1347 01:04:51,184 --> 01:04:53,811 and he was fucking pissed 1348 01:04:54,604 --> 01:04:56,230 because now that's going to get out. 1349 01:04:57,273 --> 01:05:00,568 But I had to take that job. I thought I'd never work again. 1350 01:05:00,568 --> 01:05:04,280 I knew that playing Adriana for five seasons 1351 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,074 and being known for that, 1352 01:05:06,074 --> 01:05:07,825 that that was going to be my life. 1353 01:05:07,825 --> 01:05:10,203 I knew I was going to be stereotyped forever. 1354 01:05:10,203 --> 01:05:13,081 So I was like, I better just take advantage of this right now. 1355 01:05:14,957 --> 01:05:16,751 - Hello? - Yeah. It's me. 1356 01:05:16,751 --> 01:05:19,253 Jesus, I don't even know how to say this. 1357 01:05:21,005 --> 01:05:24,050 It's Christopher. He tried to commit suicide. 1358 01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:25,635 Oh my God, is he all right? 1359 01:05:25,635 --> 01:05:26,928 He's fine. 1360 01:05:26,928 --> 01:05:30,098 He was up by Ramapo. Apparently, he took some pills, 1361 01:05:30,681 --> 01:05:32,975 and this trooper found him in a bathroom at this diner, 1362 01:05:32,975 --> 01:05:34,936 and they brought him to the hospital. 1363 01:05:36,479 --> 01:05:38,481 Anyway, I'm on my way up there now 1364 01:05:38,481 --> 01:05:41,442 and I'm going to send Sil by to pick you up then, okay? 1365 01:05:41,442 --> 01:05:42,735 Jesus Christ. 1366 01:05:45,780 --> 01:05:48,908 As sad as I was to go in the end, I was ready. 1367 01:05:48,908 --> 01:05:50,576 I knew that that was... 1368 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:52,453 that that's how it needed to be. 1369 01:05:52,995 --> 01:05:56,332 It was very difficult because it's the characters and the actors. 1370 01:05:56,332 --> 01:05:58,084 It wasn't only Adriana. 1371 01:05:58,084 --> 01:05:59,752 It was Drea de Matteo. 1372 01:06:00,795 --> 01:06:04,507 David did not want to see her get shot because he loved her. 1373 01:06:07,009 --> 01:06:09,262 Why are you crying? He's going to be fine. 1374 01:06:11,222 --> 01:06:13,725 I couldn't bear to see Adriana get shot. 1375 01:06:14,225 --> 01:06:15,893 I couldn't have watched that. 1376 01:06:16,436 --> 01:06:19,397 So we broke the style of the show. 1377 01:06:19,397 --> 01:06:22,150 Any other victim on that show, you saw him get hit. 1378 01:06:25,611 --> 01:06:28,865 We started talking about it like, how should we do this? 1379 01:06:28,865 --> 01:06:31,909 If it's not going to happen on camera naturally, 1380 01:06:31,909 --> 01:06:34,036 then we have to find a poetic transition. 1381 01:06:36,414 --> 01:06:39,292 She's not wild and begging, so I think she's more-- 1382 01:06:39,292 --> 01:06:41,377 - We're rolling, guys. - This, you know? 1383 01:06:44,297 --> 01:06:45,173 Action! 1384 01:06:45,673 --> 01:06:48,426 That was, by far, the hardest scene that I've ever played. 1385 01:06:48,426 --> 01:06:50,219 And of course, she's so great, 1386 01:06:50,219 --> 01:06:53,431 she was like, "Don't take it easy on me. 1387 01:06:53,973 --> 01:06:54,807 You know? 1388 01:06:55,767 --> 01:06:58,895 It's obviously going to be my last scene, you know? 1389 01:06:59,771 --> 01:07:01,272 Let's make it good, right?" 1390 01:07:01,272 --> 01:07:04,025 I was like, "Stevie, we've got to fucking go. 1391 01:07:04,025 --> 01:07:06,277 I'm a cunt. You're a mafioso. 1392 01:07:06,277 --> 01:07:08,905 Grab me by my hair and let's fucking go." 1393 01:07:10,698 --> 01:07:11,657 Oh, no. 1394 01:07:14,202 --> 01:07:15,328 Oh, no. 1395 01:07:17,997 --> 01:07:19,999 - Come on. - No! Please! 1396 01:07:19,999 --> 01:07:22,043 Where you fucking going? 1397 01:07:22,043 --> 01:07:23,252 Come on! 1398 01:07:23,252 --> 01:07:25,380 - Fucking cunt. - No! Please! 1399 01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:26,839 No! 1400 01:07:27,632 --> 01:07:31,803 No! 1401 01:07:34,555 --> 01:07:36,391 When I wrote the scene, 1402 01:07:36,391 --> 01:07:40,311 it is scripted that the camera just drifts into the sky. 1403 01:07:40,311 --> 01:07:42,313 And it was going to connect to the camera drifting down 1404 01:07:42,313 --> 01:07:45,191 to find Tony and Carmela in another scene. 1405 01:07:46,025 --> 01:07:48,361 On purpose, the last scene of that show, 1406 01:07:48,361 --> 01:07:50,988 Tony and Carmela are in the woods, 1407 01:07:50,988 --> 01:07:53,408 and she's talking about buying this piece of property. 1408 01:07:54,325 --> 01:07:55,993 Yeah, it's a gorgeous piece of land. 1409 01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:58,246 And with this view? 1410 01:07:59,372 --> 01:08:01,082 Well worth 600,000. 1411 01:08:02,291 --> 01:08:04,669 The surveyor's coming on Tuesday. 1412 01:08:05,294 --> 01:08:08,339 And he's, like, thinking only about Adriana. 1413 01:08:10,758 --> 01:08:14,679 Some of these things get me choked up when I think about that character 1414 01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:16,097 getting it like that. 1415 01:08:17,223 --> 01:08:19,434 And it was also the end of Drea de Matteo. 1416 01:08:20,143 --> 01:08:21,686 We wouldn't have Drea anymore. 1417 01:08:22,770 --> 01:08:25,148 - You alright? - Yeah. Me? Yeah. 1418 01:08:26,232 --> 01:08:27,316 Absolutely. 1419 01:08:47,462 --> 01:08:50,590 At what point did you start thinking about ending the show? 1420 01:08:51,257 --> 01:08:52,717 There were seven seasons, 1421 01:08:52,717 --> 01:08:55,053 but they called it 6A and 6B, 1422 01:08:55,053 --> 01:08:58,347 which is how HBO got out of giving the actors raises. 1423 01:09:00,391 --> 01:09:02,727 If they had called it season seven, 1424 01:09:02,727 --> 01:09:05,229 they would have been contractually entitled to a raise. 1425 01:09:05,229 --> 01:09:06,481 Cut. 1426 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:10,401 Two years before that, Chris Albrecht said to me, 1427 01:09:10,401 --> 01:09:13,654 "You better start thinking about how you want to end this show." 1428 01:09:14,405 --> 01:09:17,492 And I had never thought about it. Because ending? 1429 01:09:17,492 --> 01:09:19,410 When you cancel the show. I don't know. 1430 01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:21,704 That's what happens to all television shows, isn't it? 1431 01:09:21,704 --> 01:09:23,122 They finally get canceled. 1432 01:09:24,248 --> 01:09:25,958 But this was a different thing. 1433 01:09:27,543 --> 01:09:30,797 You directed the first episode, and then you didn't direct any others 1434 01:09:30,797 --> 01:09:32,757 while you were writing and producing. 1435 01:09:32,757 --> 01:09:35,718 But then you came back and directed the last episode. 1436 01:09:35,718 --> 01:09:38,262 Yeah. With Alik, same DP. 1437 01:09:40,223 --> 01:09:41,766 By then we've both evolved. 1438 01:09:41,766 --> 01:09:43,434 I mean, ten years has passed. 1439 01:09:43,434 --> 01:09:44,769 - Yeah, long time. - Yeah. 1440 01:09:45,311 --> 01:09:47,647 So I think what we did is in the last episode, 1441 01:09:48,272 --> 01:09:50,191 we talked a lot about 2001, 1442 01:09:51,067 --> 01:09:53,986 about point of view that gets interrupted 1443 01:09:53,986 --> 01:09:56,114 by the character entering into the point of view. 1444 01:09:58,282 --> 01:10:00,410 The astronaut begins to see himself. 1445 01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:05,540 Got the space suit on. 1446 01:10:06,374 --> 01:10:08,668 And he comes into himself in a mirror. 1447 01:10:11,879 --> 01:10:14,757 And he turns and there he is without the spacesuit on. 1448 01:10:16,426 --> 01:10:17,969 And then finally, he's eating dinner, 1449 01:10:17,969 --> 01:10:21,097 just all by himself and getting older. 1450 01:10:22,724 --> 01:10:25,226 He looks behind and he sees himself in the bed 1451 01:10:25,226 --> 01:10:26,602 as an old man. 1452 01:10:30,815 --> 01:10:32,191 This simple technique, 1453 01:10:33,401 --> 01:10:35,361 it's always mesmerized me, that. 1454 01:10:36,696 --> 01:10:38,656 And for that episode, 1455 01:10:38,656 --> 01:10:41,993 Tony, all the way through, everyone he goes to see, 1456 01:10:41,993 --> 01:10:43,578 he walks into his own POV. 1457 01:10:53,921 --> 01:10:55,798 It made me think of time 1458 01:10:57,633 --> 01:10:59,635 and I guess approaching death. 1459 01:11:00,178 --> 01:11:01,763 Sir. 1460 01:11:01,763 --> 01:11:02,889 Excuse me. 1461 01:11:04,766 --> 01:11:06,476 Or approaching something. 1462 01:11:07,727 --> 01:11:09,604 There's something mystical about it. 1463 01:11:24,535 --> 01:11:25,661 For the last scene, 1464 01:11:25,661 --> 01:11:27,830 the first idea that I carried for a long time 1465 01:11:28,873 --> 01:11:31,751 was that Tony was going to go back into Manhattan, 1466 01:11:31,751 --> 01:11:35,171 through the Lincoln Tunnel for a meeting, 1467 01:11:35,171 --> 01:11:37,423 and that he was going to meet his demise there. 1468 01:11:38,007 --> 01:11:40,051 I didn't know that he was going to meet his demise, 1469 01:11:40,051 --> 01:11:40,968 but it didn't look good. 1470 01:11:40,968 --> 01:11:42,428 I guess that's what was going to happen. 1471 01:11:43,888 --> 01:11:45,681 If you were in the audience, you'd think, 1472 01:11:46,224 --> 01:11:48,601 "I don't think this is going to work out well for him." 1473 01:11:48,601 --> 01:11:50,103 But you would never know. 1474 01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:54,315 And then I was driving down Ocean Boulevard here, 1475 01:11:54,315 --> 01:11:57,527 and I saw this diner, and I thought, "Maybe the ending should take place 1476 01:11:57,527 --> 01:11:59,904 in a place they go to eat all the time." 1477 01:11:59,904 --> 01:12:01,697 - Quiet, please. - Quiet. 1478 01:12:15,670 --> 01:12:17,505 And when I said, "So, I'm thinking about 1479 01:12:17,505 --> 01:12:18,423 'Don't Stop Believing,'" 1480 01:12:18,423 --> 01:12:21,300 everybody went, "Oh, fuck. Are you fucking kidding? 1481 01:12:22,009 --> 01:12:24,846 The last of the whole goddamn series?" 1482 01:12:33,688 --> 01:12:35,440 Everybody was up in arms. 1483 01:12:36,023 --> 01:12:38,484 And I said, "Well, you just decided it for me." 1484 01:12:42,029 --> 01:12:43,823 Hey. 1485 01:12:45,992 --> 01:12:47,910 But it wasn't just to be contrary. 1486 01:13:00,214 --> 01:13:01,632 What looks good tonight? 1487 01:13:02,717 --> 01:13:03,718 I don't know. 1488 01:13:03,718 --> 01:13:05,178 The more I was working with it, 1489 01:13:05,178 --> 01:13:08,347 I started to hear one of the lyrics in that song: 1490 01:13:08,347 --> 01:13:09,724 "The movie never ends. 1491 01:13:09,724 --> 01:13:11,559 It goes on and on and on and on." 1492 01:13:11,559 --> 01:13:13,853 I thought, "Wow." 1493 01:13:20,526 --> 01:13:22,779 The whole episode, there's a circularity. 1494 01:13:22,779 --> 01:13:25,406 It feels like you're returning to episode one. 1495 01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:27,200 Get back. 1496 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,493 The exploding Weber, 1497 01:13:30,078 --> 01:13:30,912 the exploding car. 1498 01:13:30,912 --> 01:13:33,498 If you don't like that ramp, I'll build you another one. 1499 01:13:33,498 --> 01:13:34,540 Maybe it's the wood. 1500 01:13:34,540 --> 01:13:36,417 I was struck by the circularity. 1501 01:13:36,417 --> 01:13:38,336 Like the first episode, last episode. 1502 01:13:38,336 --> 01:13:40,213 Hey, kids! Come here. 1503 01:13:40,213 --> 01:13:43,174 There's a vibe of, kind of, the patterns of life 1504 01:13:43,174 --> 01:13:45,218 that you keep seeing happening 1505 01:13:45,218 --> 01:13:46,594 over and over and over again. 1506 01:13:46,594 --> 01:13:48,262 You know, sometimes... 1507 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:50,932 life is good. 1508 01:13:50,932 --> 01:13:52,392 Life is often good. 1509 01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:02,110 And also the diner scene, 1510 01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:04,404 a lot of the conversation is "remember when." 1511 01:14:04,404 --> 01:14:06,489 Right. Yeah. 1512 01:14:06,489 --> 01:14:07,657 To my family. 1513 01:14:08,241 --> 01:14:09,700 In the first season, Tony had said... 1514 01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:11,619 You remember the little moments 1515 01:14:13,079 --> 01:14:13,996 like this. 1516 01:14:19,168 --> 01:14:20,461 That were good. 1517 01:14:21,379 --> 01:14:22,880 So buck up. 1518 01:14:23,464 --> 01:14:25,258 And A.J. brings that back up to him. 1519 01:14:25,258 --> 01:14:26,426 Focus on the good times. 1520 01:14:26,426 --> 01:14:27,885 Don't be sarcastic. 1521 01:14:28,553 --> 01:14:29,846 Isn't that what you said one time? 1522 01:14:29,846 --> 01:14:32,014 Try to remember the times that were good? 1523 01:14:32,014 --> 01:14:33,891 - I did? - Yeah. 1524 01:14:36,936 --> 01:14:38,354 Well, it's true, I guess. 1525 01:14:40,273 --> 01:14:43,609 That scene, you know, builds on itself like a pyramid structure 1526 01:14:43,609 --> 01:14:45,695 where we just build, build, build. 1527 01:14:46,612 --> 01:14:48,656 What you're watching is a lot of shit going on. 1528 01:14:48,656 --> 01:14:50,324 She's trying to park her car. 1529 01:14:50,324 --> 01:14:51,701 There are a lot of people, characters, 1530 01:14:51,701 --> 01:14:53,995 the guy in the Members Only jacket. 1531 01:15:00,835 --> 01:15:04,213 Other possible threats are walking in. 1532 01:15:10,053 --> 01:15:12,430 There's tension building in that diner scene. 1533 01:15:12,430 --> 01:15:13,931 We're expecting something. 1534 01:15:16,476 --> 01:15:18,352 I went ahead and ordered some for the table. 1535 01:15:39,082 --> 01:15:40,666 And then it goes to black. 1536 01:15:41,584 --> 01:15:43,461 It was so sudden and strange. 1537 01:15:44,087 --> 01:15:46,339 Really took everybody by surprise. 1538 01:15:46,964 --> 01:15:49,258 I started calling everybody and I'm like, 1539 01:15:49,258 --> 01:15:51,177 "Yo, did my TV just go out?" 1540 01:15:52,011 --> 01:15:55,139 I was with Jim and Jim said, "That's it? 1541 01:15:56,557 --> 01:15:58,810 That's it?" He was-- He couldn't believe it. 1542 01:15:58,810 --> 01:16:00,603 - Oh, so Jim didn't know? - Nope. 1543 01:16:02,563 --> 01:16:03,481 Was he pissed? 1544 01:16:04,315 --> 01:16:07,443 I think he was in shock like everybody else. 1545 01:16:07,443 --> 01:16:08,611 It was just like... 1546 01:16:10,154 --> 01:16:11,072 that's it. 1547 01:16:12,115 --> 01:16:13,866 That's the end of the story. 1548 01:16:14,659 --> 01:16:16,828 And I'm thinking to myself, "This is David. 1549 01:16:17,453 --> 01:16:18,663 This is fucking David. 1550 01:16:18,663 --> 01:16:21,541 This is exactly how he wanted to end the show. 1551 01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:25,837 He doesn't want anyone to know what's going on right now." 1552 01:16:28,381 --> 01:16:30,508 I think what I was thinking about was 1553 01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:32,844 the universe goes on and on. 1554 01:16:35,346 --> 01:16:36,597 You may not go on and on, 1555 01:16:36,597 --> 01:16:38,725 but the universe is going to go on and on. 1556 01:16:40,852 --> 01:16:42,437 The movie is going to keep going. 1557 01:16:46,357 --> 01:16:49,402 There is a resolution of irresolution, right? 1558 01:16:49,402 --> 01:16:51,487 Which opens up a very interesting 1559 01:16:51,487 --> 01:16:53,781 poetic point of open ending. 1560 01:16:53,781 --> 01:16:56,325 Countless people have said to me, 1561 01:16:57,660 --> 01:16:58,995 "All right, I know you know. 1562 01:16:59,871 --> 01:17:02,123 What really happened?" 1563 01:17:02,123 --> 01:17:06,544 Vanity Fair did an article like ten years after Sopranos. 1564 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,590 And they came to me and they said, you know, 1565 01:17:10,590 --> 01:17:13,051 "What's the ending? What was the real ending?" 1566 01:17:13,051 --> 01:17:15,970 You know, I said, "Okay, all right, 1567 01:17:15,970 --> 01:17:18,765 once and for all, what happened at the end was, 1568 01:17:19,682 --> 01:17:22,810 the director yelled cut and the actors went home." 1569 01:17:23,936 --> 01:17:26,022 What could it have been? Tony getting killed? 1570 01:17:26,022 --> 01:17:27,398 The family getting wiped out? 1571 01:17:27,398 --> 01:17:29,275 And then everyone goes, "Yeah." 1572 01:17:29,275 --> 01:17:31,736 You know, big resolution and impact means nothing 1573 01:17:31,736 --> 01:17:34,155 because 20 minutes later you forget the whole show. 1574 01:17:34,155 --> 01:17:36,741 But if you build philosophical end, 1575 01:17:37,617 --> 01:17:40,203 open end, which is what it has become, 1576 01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:43,539 this show is going to live forever. Nobody's going to figure it out. 1577 01:17:43,539 --> 01:17:45,625 The ending is whatever you want it to be. 1578 01:17:47,877 --> 01:17:48,836 He died an old man... 1579 01:17:48,836 --> 01:17:51,506 Somebody came out of the bathroom and shot him in the head... 1580 01:17:51,506 --> 01:17:54,342 Everyone stands around the water cooler one last time 1581 01:17:54,342 --> 01:17:59,430 and just says, "I can't fucking believe what I just watched." 1582 01:18:00,431 --> 01:18:02,475 "What happened?" 1583 01:18:02,475 --> 01:18:04,143 What do you have left with? 1584 01:18:05,353 --> 01:18:07,605 You have left with something to resolve. 1585 01:18:08,648 --> 01:18:10,733 Okay. And how are you going to resolve it? 1586 01:18:10,733 --> 01:18:12,527 By watching the show again. 1587 01:18:19,826 --> 01:18:21,244 When you were done, were you done? 1588 01:18:21,244 --> 01:18:23,830 Had you made peace with that? Were you sad? Were you... 1589 01:18:24,872 --> 01:18:26,124 Wanted to do something else? 1590 01:18:26,124 --> 01:18:27,542 I wanted to... 1591 01:18:28,668 --> 01:18:31,713 I wanted to get down to what I had always wanted to do, 1592 01:18:31,713 --> 01:18:34,298 which was make a fucking movie. 1593 01:18:37,176 --> 01:18:38,344 And... 1594 01:18:39,512 --> 01:18:42,056 It's for sure I had done enough Sopranos, 1595 01:18:42,056 --> 01:18:44,726 but it was over. It just felt right. 1596 01:18:44,726 --> 01:18:46,018 It was over. 1597 01:18:47,103 --> 01:18:49,689 All right, guys, here we go. Here, all here. 1598 01:18:54,610 --> 01:18:57,822 As time went on, I missed the people. 1599 01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,742 It really was like a family. 1600 01:19:02,952 --> 01:19:04,829 And I missed the problem-solving. 1601 01:19:05,955 --> 01:19:07,206 There's writing, 1602 01:19:07,206 --> 01:19:10,293 and then there's, like, what color hat should he have on? 1603 01:19:10,877 --> 01:19:12,211 A red hat. 1604 01:19:12,211 --> 01:19:15,173 Well, he can't have a red hat because she's got a red hat. 1605 01:19:15,173 --> 01:19:17,759 We can't shoot there because we can see the Shell sign. 1606 01:19:17,759 --> 01:19:19,761 Or during the editing process. 1607 01:19:20,303 --> 01:19:23,473 Well, why black? Why? Why cut to black? 1608 01:19:25,349 --> 01:19:28,019 There was that scene between Meadow and A.J. 1609 01:19:28,019 --> 01:19:30,772 "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening." 1610 01:19:30,772 --> 01:19:33,608 Oh my God, I'm so glad I'm not in high school anymore. 1611 01:19:33,608 --> 01:19:35,318 - You read this? - This is a long time back. 1612 01:19:35,318 --> 01:19:37,528 - He was doing his homework. - What does it mean? 1613 01:19:37,528 --> 01:19:39,822 I have to turn in a close read by tomorrow. 1614 01:19:39,822 --> 01:19:40,990 What does it mean? 1615 01:19:40,990 --> 01:19:43,076 "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. 1616 01:19:43,076 --> 01:19:46,871 But I have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep"? 1617 01:19:46,871 --> 01:19:49,123 "Woods on a Snowy Evening," I think is the name of the poem. 1618 01:19:49,123 --> 01:19:51,084 - Oh, the Robert Frost? - Robert Frost poem. 1619 01:19:51,918 --> 01:19:53,419 And she says... 1620 01:19:53,419 --> 01:19:54,879 What's covering the field? 1621 01:19:54,879 --> 01:19:56,464 - Snow. - Yay! 1622 01:19:57,173 --> 01:19:58,674 And what does snow symbolize? 1623 01:19:59,175 --> 01:20:00,009 Christmas? 1624 01:20:00,009 --> 01:20:01,219 Hello. 1625 01:20:01,969 --> 01:20:02,845 Cold? 1626 01:20:03,554 --> 01:20:06,391 Endless white, endless nothing? 1627 01:20:06,391 --> 01:20:08,017 - I don't know. - Death. 1628 01:20:08,017 --> 01:20:09,435 I thought black was death. 1629 01:20:09,435 --> 01:20:11,104 "I thought black meant death." 1630 01:20:12,605 --> 01:20:14,190 So that was in my head also. 1631 01:20:14,816 --> 01:20:18,820 But, see, now people will say, "See, he admitted Tony died." 1632 01:20:19,654 --> 01:20:20,613 The truth is--