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[crowd chattering]
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[upbeat rock and roll playing]
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[whistle blowing]
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[man yells]
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- Got a picture?
- [reporter 1] Sopranos fever
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here probably reached
a peak last July
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when 14,000 wiseguy wannabes
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answered the show's
open casting call
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in decidedly unglamorous
Harrison, New Jersey.
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[reporter 2] Crowd estimates
ranging from ten to 25,000.
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[David Chase] This was after
the first season.
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The line was all the way out
to the freeway.
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And, uh, it was ridiculous.
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- [man] Keep it moving, folks.
- [woman] Ladies, step forward.
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[reporter 1] Apparently,
the word got around.
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Just bring your eight-by-ten
photo to Jersey.
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[man 2] There are policemen,
firemen, teachers here.
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Who wouldn't want fame
and fortune?
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I'll tell you one thing here.
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I am right for this part on
The Sopranos.
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You can't get more Italian
than this.
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They don't make 'em like that.
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My friend and I,
we got all dressed up
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and, like, uh,
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there were 482,000 people
ahead of us.
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I don't know if we got
much of a chance now.
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[overlapping chatter]
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Leave the area!
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You are subject to arrest
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if you don't leave the area.
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[reporter 1]
The Harrison police,
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concerned about public safety,
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closed down the audition.
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It's over, it's over, it's over.
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[reporter 1] So most of this mob
had to be content
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with just dropping their
picture in the bin
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and taking their chances.
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[David] We found Ginny Sack
in that group.
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She had gone later to the same
high school I went to.
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She was a beautician,
never acted.
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What the hell is this?
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I was dizzy.
I was having low blood sugar.
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What happened to
the fruit salad, then?
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You were supposed to quit
smoking and didn't.
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Nicotine's an
addictive substance!
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What's wrong with you?
Why are you yelling at me?
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You never doubted her
for a second.
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I know I've gained weight
these last few years.
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I see the other wives,
the way men look at them.
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- [sighs]
- Don't I look at you like that?
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Haven't I always?
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I love you.
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[sobs]
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[David] As time went on,
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I began to realize
that the audience
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did break down into
two different types.
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There was one part that were
looking for a serial drama,
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and then there was the group
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that was called
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"Less yakking, more whacking."
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- [silenced gunshots]
- [woman screams]
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- [glass shatters]
- [horn blares]
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In the show, it wasn't an
easy tone, in the sense that
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it alternated light and dark,
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and so you had to be prepared
for either one to happen
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anywhere around the corner.
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Well, I mean, I guess something
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that's really important to me
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is the darkness mixed
with humor.
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And when I think about that,
I think about myself
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as a kid going to
my first funerals,
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seeing my grandfather
dead in the coffin
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and hearing some
lunatic conversation,
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some stupid thing that
one of my aunts was saying.
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You think to yourself,
"What are you talking about?
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There's your father
lying there in a casket."
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As a writer, that made
an impression on me.
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Look at her like that.
Mariolina.
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Gave me my first hand job,
me and Vincent Maniscalco
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in the alley behind
the chicken market.
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- [Mikey] Junior.
- God.
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What am I saying
at this poor woman's wake?
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- [woman] Let's go.
- [door closes]
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[David] You know, I would say
this about The Sopranos
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is that I really don't know
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whether it was a drama
or a comedy.
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For example, Tony Sirico.
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[gunshot]
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He was a serious
gangster actor,
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but the comedy just started
to come forward.
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Oh, motherfucker!
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[David] This absurdity,
which was partly him.
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[Mikey groans] Please!
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Fuckin' poison ivy all over.
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[Tony Sirico]
I was born in Brooklyn.
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I grew up on the streets.
I still got cement in my shoes.
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So, you know,
I'm well aware of the life.
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And I know a lot of guys
involved in this life.
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I can feel it itching me
already!
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He didn't wear makeup 'cause
he would go to tanning booths.
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Like that, you know,
he's got that reflector thing
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getting tanned?
Like that was really Tony.
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Tony always had a tan.
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I think my character acts
like me, personally.
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But, uh, don't-don't
tell nobody.
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[Christopher] You realize by the
time Caitlin's out of college,
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it'll be like the year 2027
or something?
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She takes after you, she won't
be out of fourth grade by then.
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[laughter]
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- Oh! What are you doing?
- Nothing.
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Oh!
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[director] And cut!
Very nice. Check it.
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[man] Tony Sirico
was very fastidious
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and very, you know, particular
about how he looked.
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No one could touch his hair.
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There were no hair people
allowed to touch his hair.
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He told me the whole system.
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He would get up at three
in the morning,
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and he would read
his lines,
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he would comb his hair,
spray the spray in the air,
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and then the mist would settle,
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and then he'd do
it a few times
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till it was shellacked
and ready to go.
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- The fuck you doing?
- [Valery grunts]
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You think we're digging a hole?
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[Terence] So we're doing
"Pine Barrens" episode.
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That's right, shithead,
get to work.
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I know the ground's
kind of hard,
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but give it some of that
Siberian action.
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[Terence] Paulie and Christopher
were going to kill a guy,
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they took him into
the woods, the guy escaped,
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and then they got lost
in the woods.
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[Christopher] Wait a minute.
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We walked in a circle.
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How's that fucking possible?
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[Terence] One of the aspects
of the episode
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is when you first see Paulie...
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Let's go with the satin finish.
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...he's perfectly coiffed and
he's getting a manicure.
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- Excuse me.
- The whole idea is that
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he completely devolves
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to the worst version
of himself by the end.
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Fucking cunt!
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I lost my shoe.
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[Terence] He's a complete mess.
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So I said to Tony Sirico,
"That's the reality
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of what would happen
to your hair."
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He goes, "I'm not
messing up my hair."
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"Tony, come on.
The whole point of this
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is that, you know, you're...
Paulie's all fucked up."
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So he said, "All right."
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And so he just like...
I said, "Come on. Tony."
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And he went,
"All right, you fuck."
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And he messed his hair up
like crazy.
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I said, "Get this on film
before he changes his mind."
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And that's the only time
you've ever seen Tony Sirico
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with his hair like that.
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Got mayonnaise on your chin.
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What?
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Mayonnaise.
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Mayonnaise!
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[Vivaldi's "Sposa son
disprezzata" playing]
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[birds singing]
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[bell tolling]
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[David] As the show got more
complicated,
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Denise and I, we bought
a house in France,
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and we would go there to work
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trying to come up
with the next season.
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She was always gardening,
so I'd go out there
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and sit there while
she was clipping and stuff,
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and I'd tell her
these stories.
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Her influence,
it was extraordinary.
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["Sposa son disprezzata"
continues]
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[David] It was always
13 episodes.
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So I'd make 13 lines.
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Then I'd start making lines
like that
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that would say, "Tony."
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What does Tony do
in episode one?
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What does Tony do
in episode two?
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What happens...
And that was containing a plot.
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Then I started adding Carmela.
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What's Carmela doing?
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She had her own season.
Chris.
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They all had their own seasons.
Some had two or three.
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Tony would have
two or three lines
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of what happened to him
in that season.
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Then I would get back,
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I would lay it all out
for the writers
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so they knew what the direction
of the season was.
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Then we'd sit down and say,
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"All right, episode one.
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I know what it says up here,
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but what's this really
going to be about?"
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It was actually
building a drama.
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They're meeting in a basement,
after all.
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We'd sit around bullshitting
like you and I are doing.
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- Right.
- All day long.
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We'd talk about it and-and
bullshit, bullshit, bullshit,
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which a lot of good stuff
comes out of that.
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It was literally sitting
with your friends
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and, "What'd you do last night?"
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And that would digress
into a story,
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or one time this happened
to me or that or...
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And sometimes it was prompted
by David saying things like,
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"What's the worst
thing you've ever done
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to somebody in a relationship?"
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Really, Tony, just tell me.
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How come I can't see you again?
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‘Cause you fuck Ralph.
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You got morals all of a sudden?
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I don't got morals,
but I do got rules.
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And you'd just tell stories.
And it was very therapeutic.
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I mean, again, we were also
together for years.
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So, I mean, in that room
we went through,
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you know, divorces
and children being born
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and-and parents dying
and a lot--
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you know,
the-the-the stuff of life.
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The actor is the instrument
for conveying ideas.
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During the next...
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[Terence] I told a story
about how
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when I started writing,
I also took acting classes.
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This is Acting for Writers?
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And that became part of
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the first episode I ever wrote.
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[Christopher] Help me, Daddy!
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[sobbing] Dad, help me!
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Daddy! [sobbing]
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[man] You-You can depend on me.
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Trust me.
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[Terence] I told them
a story about
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a visit to a psychic I had,
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and that became a story
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where Paulie visits a psychic.
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Charles Pagano.
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How the fuck do you know that?
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He says he was your first,
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but I feel many more.
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- Hey!
- That one's laughing.
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Poison ivy?
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He wants to know
if it still itches?
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Don't fuck with me.
Who you been talking to?
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All my stories,
they come directly
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from my personal
experiences,
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seeing and hearing and watching.
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26 Grady Court.
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- [man] 26. Good.
- This is where I grew up.
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This is the building that
I grew up in.
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And here's my famous apartment
right here, 107.
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I grew up in a place called
Maverick Housing Projects
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in East Boston.
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Whether it was shoplifting
to whatever we did
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to make money as a kid,
you know.
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And when I'm like 13, 14,
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I found my way into
the local social club
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with these neighborhood
gangsters.
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If I'm getting an invitation
to the dance,
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I wish the feds would
hurry the fuck up about it.
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[Frank]
"Hey, kid, do me a favor.
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Just sweep the floors."
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And I worked the card games.
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- Yeah, I'm in.
- [player] 400 to you, Sil.
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Behind closed doors
I was with these guys.
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Don't look at the floor, Bobby.
Look at me.
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[Frank] So once we got
in the room together
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to write characters,
like Bobby Baccala...
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To the victor
belongs the spoils.
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Get the fuck out of here
before I shove
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your quotations book
up your fat fucking ass.
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[Frank]
...or Richie Aprile...
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I did a lot of meditation
in the can on this.
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[Beansie] On what?
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You can't believe
how clear you see things.
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- Do you ever meditate?
- Me? Meditate?
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- [Frank] Beansie...
- Are you crazy?
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Not as crazy as I used to be.
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Still crazy enough
to take an eye out.
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What's going on here, Rich?
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[Frank] This is where
I could contribute
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based on my experiences
around these wiseguys.
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Sucking up to Tony Soprano
has done wonders for you.
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[Terence] Look at somebody
like Uncle Junior
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or Tony or Paulie Walnuts.
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I mean, these are, like,
petty, horrible people.
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So you felt free to talk about
anything you wanted.
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It was all just, hey,
this is a writers' room.
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We're writing about bad people.
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Bad people do bad things,
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and we got to access
those parts of ourself.
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I mean, we said things
that nowadays,
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you know, would be
frowned upon.
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We could have been mistaken
for being racist, sexist,
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you-name-it-ist, you know.
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We considered having an
assistant in there for a while
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and realized
we couldn't do that.
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[Robin] If she had
a bathing suit on,
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if you're-- are you serious?
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[writer] I think
she stayed at the door
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and as he goes,
she's calling after him...
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[Alex] So how did you
make the transition
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from being a cast member
to being a writer?
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You know, I didn't start
writing on the show
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'cause I wanted to give
my character juicy stuff to do.
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It was really 'cause I really
loved all the characters.
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I just fell in love
with all of them.
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You know, what I learned
from David was,
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you know, specificity,
specifics, detail.
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Everything was thought-out.
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[writers chattering]
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[Terence] At some point
during the process,
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David would get up
and go on the couch
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and just lay down
and go to sleep. [laughs]
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And we would just keep talking.
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But he wasn't really asleep.
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He'd have his eyes closed,
thinking.
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[David] I couldn't stand
talking anymore,
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and I would be
on the couch by myself
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and they'd go on talking.
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And finally I would get
something done.
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[Terence] At some point,
he would get up
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and silence would befall
the room,
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and he would pick up a marker,
go to the board,
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and then write out
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a fully fleshed out
12-beat story.
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David starts filling
the whiteboard.
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You know, big--
three gigantic whiteboards.
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He's going nuts,
filling the whole thing.
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And we're all like,
"Yeah, that's great..."
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Chiming in and this thing
gets done.
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We broke for lunch, come back,
he's looking at it,
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he goes,
"This is fucking horrible."
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Erases the whole--
It took us hours.
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Every year we would start,
I'd say, "Remember,
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the first five ideas,
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we're going to throw those out.
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Don't even bring them up.
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Idea number six,
maybe you should..."
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- This includes me.
- [Alex] Right.
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"...we'll voice it.
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Everything else,
we've seen before.
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- It's not good."
- [car alarm chirps]
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And you're talking about
important things.
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You're talking about life,
death, love, violence.
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- [Melfi yells]
- Shut up, don't turn around.
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[Robin] I still feel proud
that we never did
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violence for violence's sake.
I didn't find that.
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[Alex] It was consistent
with the characters.
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Yeah, I thought it was earned.
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I don't think any of us ever
were gratuitous with violence.
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I don't think we ever said,
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"Oh, we gotta show
this gory thing."
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It was the opposite.
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[Melfi] I'll give you
all my money!
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[Melfi screaming]
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00:14:03,219 --> 00:14:05,263
[sobbing] No!
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- No! No! [screams]
- Shut up! Shut up.
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00:14:07,598 --> 00:14:09,058
- No, come on!
- Get the panties off.
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00:14:09,183 --> 00:14:10,643
[Melfi] No, stop it!
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- [man grunting]
- Please! No!
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00:14:14,647 --> 00:14:17,942
- [sobbing] No!
- [man] You fucking bitch!
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00:14:17,942 --> 00:14:20,111
[sobbing] No! No!
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Stop it!
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[sobbing] Stop it!
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[screaming]
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[Terence] Melfi's rape
was very, very violent
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and incredibly
disturbing to watch
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because it made her choice
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whether or not to tell Tony
all the more poignant
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00:14:46,304 --> 00:14:48,222
because you saw
what happened to her.
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00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:51,517
[Melfi] Did they let him go?
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Somebody misplaced
the evidence kit
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for a little while
or something--
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I don't know what
the fuck they did,
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those stupid idiots.
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00:14:57,982 --> 00:15:00,234
Did they just let him out
until the trial?
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00:15:00,359 --> 00:15:02,403
Because I can identify him.
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00:15:02,528 --> 00:15:04,030
[Richard]
It's a legal thing.
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- They have to let him skip.
- [Melfi] That's impossible.
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00:15:06,699 --> 00:15:08,785
[Richard] I told you
everything he told me.
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00:15:10,286 --> 00:15:12,955
[Melfi] That employee
of the month cocksucker
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is back on the street,
and who's gonna stop him?
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You?
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Who could I sic on
that son of a bitch
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to tear him to shreds?
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[sobs]
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00:15:31,557 --> 00:15:32,517
What's the matter?
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00:15:33,768 --> 00:15:35,353
Hey, hey, hey.
Come on.
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00:15:36,479 --> 00:15:37,647
What'd I do?
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00:15:37,772 --> 00:15:39,649
- [sobbing]
- Come on, huh?
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[Lorraine] I remember
reading the script
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and not finishing it,
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00:15:43,778 --> 00:15:46,447
and I called David.
I said, "Why?
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Why would you hurt her?
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00:15:49,450 --> 00:15:55,456
She's the only one trying
to have a-a sense of-of right,
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00:15:55,581 --> 00:15:58,251
a-a sense of reason.
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00:15:58,251 --> 00:15:59,544
Um...
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00:15:59,544 --> 00:16:01,546
Why are you violating her?
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00:16:01,546 --> 00:16:04,340
I can't even get through it,
I'm so upset."
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00:16:05,258 --> 00:16:08,553
"Could you just read it to
the end, Lorraine?" [chuckles]
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00:16:08,553 --> 00:16:11,180
And I said, "Yeah, okay."
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00:16:11,806 --> 00:16:12,807
And then...
401
00:16:16,686 --> 00:16:17,812
What?
402
00:16:19,605 --> 00:16:21,315
I mean, you wanna
say something?
403
00:16:29,866 --> 00:16:30,992
No.
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00:16:31,993 --> 00:16:34,579
[Lorraine] When she says no,
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00:16:34,579 --> 00:16:37,665
it hit me like a ton of bricks.
406
00:16:38,666 --> 00:16:41,127
There's a fork in the road
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00:16:41,127 --> 00:16:44,047
and she has to choose that fork.
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00:16:44,630 --> 00:16:46,090
I mean, let's put it this way.
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00:16:47,008 --> 00:16:50,178
She knew if she told him
about the rape,
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00:16:52,305 --> 00:16:54,515
then it was all over.
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00:16:55,183 --> 00:16:57,018
She didn't go to school
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00:16:57,894 --> 00:17:00,396
for 15 years
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to become a gangster.
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00:17:05,151 --> 00:17:07,945
["Living on a Thin Line"
by The Kinks playing]
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00:17:07,945 --> 00:17:10,114
[Drea] Even the most
violent episodes
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had such... beauty to them.
417
00:17:13,493 --> 00:17:16,412
Like the episode where
the stripper gets killed.
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00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,707
It tells the story of Meadow
in college.
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00:17:20,875 --> 00:17:21,918
Do you have a condom?
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00:17:22,877 --> 00:17:24,545
[both chuckling]
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00:17:27,215 --> 00:17:28,841
[Drea]
Against this young girl
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00:17:28,841 --> 00:17:30,468
who would be the same age.
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00:17:32,261 --> 00:17:33,721
[Ralphie grunting]
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00:17:35,556 --> 00:17:36,849
[Edie] The show was
always shocking
425
00:17:36,849 --> 00:17:38,142
somebody about something.
426
00:17:38,601 --> 00:17:39,894
That make you feel good?
427
00:17:40,686 --> 00:17:42,230
You feel like a man?
428
00:17:42,355 --> 00:17:45,400
You could push the envelope
and let people be uncomfortable.
429
00:17:46,734 --> 00:17:49,028
Forgive me but, like,
without a trigger warning.
430
00:17:49,904 --> 00:17:52,865
The whole point is you want to
surprise people
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00:17:52,865 --> 00:17:55,243
and give them feelings
that maybe are uncomfortable
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00:17:55,368 --> 00:17:57,245
and have them learn
to deal with them.
433
00:17:57,370 --> 00:18:00,123
That, my friend, is life.
434
00:18:00,123 --> 00:18:02,083
You're not going to be given
trigger warnings
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00:18:02,208 --> 00:18:03,710
when terrible things happen.
436
00:18:03,710 --> 00:18:05,837
[grunting]
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00:18:05,837 --> 00:18:07,171
[Tracee whimpers]
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00:18:07,171 --> 00:18:08,339
[body thuds]
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00:18:09,716 --> 00:18:12,135
- [Ralphie grunting]
- [Tracee wheezing]
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00:18:12,135 --> 00:18:13,428
[metal clangs]
441
00:18:14,303 --> 00:18:15,430
[grunts]
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00:18:16,097 --> 00:18:18,474
[Terence] Ralphie beating
the stripper to death.
443
00:18:18,474 --> 00:18:21,436
You needed to see what
an absolute despicable person
444
00:18:21,561 --> 00:18:24,772
this was in order to understand
445
00:18:24,897 --> 00:18:26,899
these are the guys
you're rooting for.
446
00:18:26,899 --> 00:18:29,110
Look at you now. [panting]
447
00:18:30,445 --> 00:18:32,196
[Terence] It was interesting,
every once in a while,
448
00:18:32,196 --> 00:18:33,698
the audience would be
lulled into feeling,
449
00:18:33,698 --> 00:18:35,491
"Oh, these are big, fun
teddy bears
450
00:18:35,491 --> 00:18:37,452
you can talk to over
the backyard fence."
451
00:18:37,577 --> 00:18:39,746
And, yeah, that's true until
you owe them money,
452
00:18:39,746 --> 00:18:41,497
and then they're not
funny anymore.
453
00:18:41,497 --> 00:18:43,708
And then they're--
so, every once in a while
454
00:18:43,708 --> 00:18:47,295
remind people, this is who
Tony Soprano really is.
455
00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:48,713
You finished?
456
00:18:51,591 --> 00:18:53,634
[breathing rapidly]
Thank you, T.
457
00:18:54,761 --> 00:18:56,304
‘Cause that sugarless
motherfucker,
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00:18:57,263 --> 00:18:59,098
it's the last fucking drink
you're ever gonna have.
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00:18:59,098 --> 00:19:02,935
Oh! Swear to God! Mommy!
Mommy, please, Tony.
460
00:19:02,935 --> 00:19:04,395
[David] I said to the writers,
461
00:19:04,395 --> 00:19:06,564
- look, he's a killer...
- [moans]
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00:19:06,564 --> 00:19:09,442
He's a philanderer.
He's a motherfucker.
463
00:19:09,442 --> 00:19:11,360
♪ I'm a fool to do your
dirty work... ♪
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00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,905
[David] He's a fool,
in many ways.
465
00:19:13,905 --> 00:19:15,865
Maybe it sounds
fucking crazy to you.
466
00:19:15,865 --> 00:19:18,076
But Tony's always got to be
the smartest guy in the room.
467
00:19:18,076 --> 00:19:19,702
Nothing sounds crazy anymore,
the older I get.
468
00:19:22,497 --> 00:19:24,332
[David] He's not fun
all the time.
469
00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:29,337
This is a bad guy,
extremely violent person.
470
00:19:30,713 --> 00:19:31,672
[Carmela] You want coffee?
471
00:19:33,341 --> 00:19:34,175
No.
472
00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:36,135
[David] And I always felt that
473
00:19:36,135 --> 00:19:38,304
if there was
any lack of realism,
474
00:19:38,888 --> 00:19:42,016
it was that he was more
reflective than reality.
475
00:19:42,725 --> 00:19:43,893
Tony thinks too much.
476
00:19:44,018 --> 00:19:45,019
He's too worried.
477
00:19:45,812 --> 00:19:47,522
[Alex] But something
was happening to him
478
00:19:47,647 --> 00:19:50,024
- that he couldn't control.
- [David] The panic attacks.
479
00:19:50,149 --> 00:19:51,567
If it hadn't been
for the panic attacks,
480
00:19:51,567 --> 00:19:53,611
I don't think he would have
gone to a shrink.
481
00:19:53,611 --> 00:19:55,905
I don't got time for these
fucking attacks.
482
00:19:56,030 --> 00:19:57,782
It was so good for months.
483
00:19:57,782 --> 00:19:59,450
[David] But he couldn't afford
to be collapsing
484
00:19:59,450 --> 00:20:01,160
in front of his crew,
you know.
485
00:20:01,911 --> 00:20:04,580
And obviously, there was
a lot underneath there.
486
00:20:04,580 --> 00:20:07,750
He was very depressed and
didn't understand or know it.
487
00:20:08,501 --> 00:20:10,920
He had a lot of fears,
and didn't know it.
488
00:20:12,046 --> 00:20:14,716
Do you have any qualms about
how you actually
489
00:20:15,842 --> 00:20:17,051
make a living?
490
00:20:18,386 --> 00:20:19,303
Yeah.
491
00:20:21,514 --> 00:20:23,558
I find I have to be
the sad clown.
492
00:20:24,684 --> 00:20:25,977
Laughing on the outside,
493
00:20:27,228 --> 00:20:28,896
crying on the inside.
494
00:20:30,690 --> 00:20:32,567
Feel exhausted
just talking about it.
495
00:20:33,901 --> 00:20:36,946
It's my feeling, and I've been
to a lot of therapy.
496
00:20:36,946 --> 00:20:40,575
You're really never held
to account with a psychiatrist.
497
00:20:42,034 --> 00:20:44,662
And that's always kind of
bothered me a little bit.
498
00:20:45,246 --> 00:20:47,123
"You mean anything I do is..."
499
00:20:47,248 --> 00:20:49,333
"Oh, you have to understand
what my parents are like,
500
00:20:49,333 --> 00:20:50,960
and so I can't be blamed?"
501
00:20:51,085 --> 00:20:52,336
Hello?
502
00:20:54,589 --> 00:20:56,132
[Georgie groans]
503
00:20:56,132 --> 00:20:57,884
[Alex] Theoretically,
therapy is supposed to
504
00:20:57,884 --> 00:20:59,927
- make you a better person.
- Let me hear it.
505
00:21:00,053 --> 00:21:01,596
[David] Instead, it made
him a better mobster.
506
00:21:01,721 --> 00:21:03,806
He could actually take
what other people
507
00:21:03,806 --> 00:21:06,392
were feeling into account.
[laughs]
508
00:21:06,392 --> 00:21:08,352
For 20 or 30 seconds.
509
00:21:08,352 --> 00:21:11,564
All we want you to do is
talk to him.
510
00:21:11,564 --> 00:21:13,024
After all, he's your uncle.
511
00:21:13,024 --> 00:21:14,984
- Come on.
- [Ray] That's right.
512
00:21:15,610 --> 00:21:18,029
As we said in the show,
as Livia said,
513
00:21:18,446 --> 00:21:19,280
"Psychiatry..."
514
00:21:19,947 --> 00:21:23,117
That's nothing but a racket
for the Jews.
515
00:21:23,242 --> 00:21:25,536
That's what my mother would
have said about psychiatry.
516
00:21:25,536 --> 00:21:27,538
They knew nothing about it.
517
00:21:27,538 --> 00:21:28,706
[Tony] Melfi.
518
00:21:28,706 --> 00:21:30,500
[David] So it was
important to me
519
00:21:30,625 --> 00:21:31,793
for her to be Italian.
520
00:21:31,918 --> 00:21:33,336
What part of the boot
you from, hon?
521
00:21:33,461 --> 00:21:34,962
"Dr. Melfi."
522
00:21:36,297 --> 00:21:38,925
My father's people
were from Caserta.
523
00:21:38,925 --> 00:21:40,134
Avellino.
524
00:21:40,927 --> 00:21:43,137
My mother would have loved it
if you and I got together.
525
00:21:43,262 --> 00:21:46,849
[David] And not to be
too forceful,
526
00:21:47,433 --> 00:21:49,519
or to be even that sympathetic.
527
00:21:50,186 --> 00:21:52,397
What's the one thing
every woman--
528
00:21:52,397 --> 00:21:54,273
your mother, your wife,
your daughter--
529
00:21:54,273 --> 00:21:55,483
have in common?
530
00:21:55,608 --> 00:21:57,276
They all break my balls.
531
00:21:57,276 --> 00:21:59,028
[David] Her character
was based on
532
00:21:59,153 --> 00:22:01,364
the psychologist
I was going to at that time.
533
00:22:01,364 --> 00:22:02,740
They're all Italian. So what?
534
00:22:02,740 --> 00:22:05,410
So, maybe by coming clean
with me,
535
00:22:05,410 --> 00:22:07,203
you're dialoguing with them.
536
00:22:07,328 --> 00:22:08,704
[David] I think I began
to realize
537
00:22:08,830 --> 00:22:10,832
what I was doing there was
538
00:22:10,957 --> 00:22:12,834
re-mothering myself.
539
00:22:12,959 --> 00:22:14,961
[Alex] What you were
doing there in therapy...
540
00:22:14,961 --> 00:22:16,546
- With her.
- Right.
541
00:22:17,463 --> 00:22:19,507
Was, I was getting a new mother.
542
00:22:19,507 --> 00:22:21,467
- What?
- [David] And certainly,
543
00:22:21,467 --> 00:22:23,094
that's what Tony was doing.
544
00:22:23,094 --> 00:22:25,346
You've made me all of the things
545
00:22:25,471 --> 00:22:27,432
you feel are missing
in your wife
546
00:22:28,558 --> 00:22:29,892
and in your mother.
547
00:22:31,978 --> 00:22:32,854
[scoffs]
548
00:22:36,691 --> 00:22:37,942
[exhales] You're--
549
00:22:37,942 --> 00:22:40,570
You're making me out to be
some fucking mama's boy.
550
00:22:41,696 --> 00:22:42,739
I'm a man.
551
00:22:43,698 --> 00:22:46,242
Now that we're sitting
in this psychiatrist's office
552
00:22:46,367 --> 00:22:47,869
and we're analyzing these guys,
553
00:22:48,536 --> 00:22:50,079
he needed a mother.
554
00:22:50,204 --> 00:22:51,205
Ma?
555
00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:53,291
[David] His mother
was a lunatic.
556
00:22:53,291 --> 00:22:54,709
You know my good jewelry?
557
00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:56,210
The stuff Dad gave you.
558
00:22:57,336 --> 00:22:59,380
Some of those pieces came
right out of Cartier's window.
559
00:22:59,505 --> 00:23:02,425
I gave it all
to your cousin Josephine.
560
00:23:03,676 --> 00:23:05,261
What the fuck? The good jewelry?
561
00:23:05,386 --> 00:23:06,763
She always admired it.
562
00:23:06,888 --> 00:23:08,056
[James] They're a lot alike.
563
00:23:08,181 --> 00:23:09,390
That's where
the conflict comes from.
564
00:23:09,515 --> 00:23:11,100
You gave a fucking cousin
565
00:23:11,225 --> 00:23:12,143
Cartier dinner rings,
566
00:23:12,143 --> 00:23:13,603
and you give me
a vibrating chair?
567
00:23:13,603 --> 00:23:15,730
[James] He tries
'cause he's Italian
568
00:23:15,855 --> 00:23:17,023
and it's his mother,
569
00:23:17,023 --> 00:23:19,942
but she knows all the buttons
to push on him
570
00:23:19,942 --> 00:23:21,319
and consistently does it.
571
00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:24,197
Listen, before you do
any more serious damage
572
00:23:24,197 --> 00:23:26,949
to yourself or your
grandchildren's inheritance,
573
00:23:26,949 --> 00:23:28,659
you're gonna stop
living alone right now.
574
00:23:28,659 --> 00:23:31,162
I'm not going
to that nursing home.
575
00:23:31,162 --> 00:23:33,915
Then I will get a durable
power of attorney over you,
576
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,291
and I will place you there.
577
00:23:35,416 --> 00:23:36,626
Then kill me now.
578
00:23:37,377 --> 00:23:38,294
Go on. Go.
579
00:23:38,419 --> 00:23:39,253
Go into the ham
580
00:23:39,379 --> 00:23:41,255
and take the carving knife
581
00:23:41,381 --> 00:23:42,340
and stab me.
582
00:23:42,340 --> 00:23:45,635
Here. Here! Now, please!
583
00:23:45,635 --> 00:23:48,388
It would hurt me less
than what you just said!
584
00:23:48,388 --> 00:23:50,723
You know, I know seniors
that are inspired!
585
00:23:50,723 --> 00:23:53,518
[weeping]
586
00:23:53,518 --> 00:23:57,146
Livia was an amalgam,
whether it was intended,
587
00:23:57,563 --> 00:24:00,775
whether David saw it that way
or anybody else saw that,
588
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:02,193
but it was truly an amalgam.
589
00:24:02,193 --> 00:24:04,278
The writers, the one thing
we had in common
590
00:24:04,404 --> 00:24:06,072
was we all had the same mom.
591
00:24:06,072 --> 00:24:08,199
And I had a terrible
relationship with my mother.
592
00:24:08,199 --> 00:24:10,410
My mother,
just to sum up my mom,
593
00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:13,329
who was absolutely
the rock of our family.
594
00:24:13,454 --> 00:24:15,123
My dad died on a Thursday,
on Monday morning,
595
00:24:15,248 --> 00:24:17,166
my mom was back at work,
with five kids.
596
00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:18,543
God bless her.
597
00:24:18,543 --> 00:24:20,586
But we did not have
a great relationship.
598
00:24:20,586 --> 00:24:23,256
When I got into NYU,
I called my mother and I said,
599
00:24:23,256 --> 00:24:25,091
"I got accepted
to New York University."
600
00:24:25,091 --> 00:24:27,093
I had been living alone,
and she said,
601
00:24:27,093 --> 00:24:28,553
"I'll give you six months."
602
00:24:28,553 --> 00:24:31,055
[chuckles]
And I went, "Okay, thanks."
603
00:24:31,055 --> 00:24:33,015
When I got into law school,
I called my mother.
604
00:24:33,141 --> 00:24:35,143
I said, "Mom, I got accepted
to law school."
605
00:24:35,268 --> 00:24:37,895
And she said, "Another one
of your harebrained schemes!"
606
00:24:39,021 --> 00:24:40,648
[Frank] There's things
in that show
607
00:24:40,648 --> 00:24:41,983
that I literally picked them,
608
00:24:42,108 --> 00:24:43,651
you know, visiting my mother.
609
00:24:43,776 --> 00:24:45,319
She was living
in a senior housing.
610
00:24:45,445 --> 00:24:47,196
- [Livia] Who is it?
- It's me, Ma.
611
00:24:47,196 --> 00:24:50,199
The fucking lady next door
kept running the water.
612
00:24:50,199 --> 00:24:51,492
There it is again.
613
00:24:51,617 --> 00:24:52,827
[water running]
614
00:24:52,952 --> 00:24:54,704
[Frank]
Drove my mother insane.
615
00:24:54,704 --> 00:24:57,832
That's enough water!
How much water does she need?
616
00:24:58,291 --> 00:25:00,960
She runs the water all day.
617
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,129
Water, water, water!
618
00:25:03,129 --> 00:25:05,840
I'm living next door
to Gunga Din!
619
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:08,718
[Terence] It's not concocted.
620
00:25:08,718 --> 00:25:11,512
It's all based on stuff
that's our real life.
621
00:25:11,637 --> 00:25:13,890
And it all started with David
and his life,
622
00:25:14,015 --> 00:25:16,184
but we recognized
similar problems
623
00:25:16,309 --> 00:25:17,852
and similar things
that make us laugh
624
00:25:17,977 --> 00:25:19,771
or make us frustrated
and stuff.
625
00:25:19,771 --> 00:25:22,690
And if it fit with David
and it fit with Tony Soprano,
626
00:25:22,815 --> 00:25:24,358
that was part of the show.
627
00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:27,403
[David] When I was about
eight or nine,
628
00:25:27,528 --> 00:25:30,448
we used to go down to the shore
in Belmar, New Jersey.
629
00:25:31,532 --> 00:25:33,659
And we were going out
somewhere at night,
630
00:25:33,659 --> 00:25:34,660
going down the stairs,
631
00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:35,995
and my father fell
632
00:25:35,995 --> 00:25:37,080
and ripped his pants.
633
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,123
My mother went crazy
laughing.
634
00:25:39,123 --> 00:25:40,166
[laughing]
635
00:25:40,750 --> 00:25:43,086
That came from that.
Most people didn't understand.
636
00:25:43,086 --> 00:25:45,630
"What's she laughing at?
That's so horrible."
637
00:25:46,339 --> 00:25:48,883
And Nancy said
to my wife Denise,
638
00:25:49,008 --> 00:25:50,385
first season, she said,
639
00:25:51,177 --> 00:25:54,055
"I trust that this creature
I'm portraying is deceased?"
640
00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:55,431
[Alex laughs]
641
00:25:55,556 --> 00:25:57,767
[Melfi] What your mother
has, at the very least,
642
00:25:57,767 --> 00:26:01,062
is what we call borderline
personality disorder.
643
00:26:01,187 --> 00:26:02,814
These people's internal phobias
644
00:26:02,814 --> 00:26:04,941
are the only things
that exist to them.
645
00:26:05,066 --> 00:26:07,735
The real world, real people
are peripheral.
646
00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:10,446
These people have no love
or compassion.
647
00:26:11,406 --> 00:26:13,241
[David] In the original
feature script
648
00:26:13,366 --> 00:26:17,036
and also in the last episode
of season one,
649
00:26:17,036 --> 00:26:19,705
Melfi was going to tell him,
"It's your mother
650
00:26:19,705 --> 00:26:21,082
who's out to kill you."
651
00:26:21,958 --> 00:26:24,085
You twisted, fucking bitch.
652
00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:25,837
That's my mother
we're talking about.
653
00:26:26,421 --> 00:26:29,173
[David] And he goes up
to the retirement center,
654
00:26:29,173 --> 00:26:32,301
and he grabs a pillow,
and he smothers her to death.
655
00:26:32,301 --> 00:26:33,553
That's what it was in the movie,
656
00:26:33,553 --> 00:26:35,763
and what it was
going to be in the show.
657
00:26:36,264 --> 00:26:41,310
But Nancy, she had lung cancer
and emphysema.
658
00:26:42,478 --> 00:26:44,230
As the end was coming,
659
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:47,108
she said, "David, I just...
just keep me working."
660
00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:48,776
Your mom's had a stroke.
661
00:26:48,901 --> 00:26:50,445
That was changing
the whole story.
662
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:51,654
Stroke?
663
00:26:51,654 --> 00:26:53,656
The news on TV yesterday
really upset her.
664
00:26:53,781 --> 00:26:55,116
Not that it's any
of my business.
665
00:26:55,241 --> 00:26:57,410
Anyhow, it just happened.
The EMTs are--
666
00:26:57,410 --> 00:26:59,162
I'm gonna live
a nice, long, happy life.
667
00:26:59,287 --> 00:27:00,496
Which is more than
I can say for you.
668
00:27:00,496 --> 00:27:02,582
- That's enough!
- Yeah? [grunting]
669
00:27:02,582 --> 00:27:04,041
[woman] Keep her moving,
keep moving.
670
00:27:04,041 --> 00:27:05,084
I tried to do the right thing,
671
00:27:05,084 --> 00:27:06,461
you try to have me whacked?
672
00:27:06,586 --> 00:27:08,337
- [woman] She doesn't understand.
- She's smiling!
673
00:27:08,337 --> 00:27:11,799
Look at the look on her face!
She's smiling!
674
00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:13,843
- [all grunting]
- Get off me!
675
00:27:13,968 --> 00:27:16,304
Yeah. So we kept her working.
676
00:27:16,429 --> 00:27:17,597
I wasn't always perfect,
677
00:27:17,597 --> 00:27:19,974
but I always tried to do
the best I could.
678
00:27:22,101 --> 00:27:24,520
And I know you didn't,
any of you,
679
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,315
didn't like it when I tried
to tell you what to do.
680
00:27:29,358 --> 00:27:31,694
Babies are like animals.
681
00:27:31,819 --> 00:27:33,571
They're no different than dogs.
682
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,158
Somebody has to teach them
right from wrong.
683
00:27:37,283 --> 00:27:39,494
[melancholy guitar music
playing]
684
00:27:39,619 --> 00:27:41,370
[David] But she didn't
live that long.
685
00:27:44,457 --> 00:27:45,750
[voice breaking] Um...
686
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:49,337
She was wonderful.
687
00:27:53,174 --> 00:27:54,342
People loved Livia.
688
00:27:54,467 --> 00:27:56,344
They just got
such a kick out of her.
689
00:27:57,178 --> 00:27:59,722
I don't know how many thousands
of times I heard,
690
00:27:59,847 --> 00:28:01,432
"That's just like
my grandmother!"
691
00:28:01,432 --> 00:28:03,101
"That's just like my aunt!"
692
00:28:03,101 --> 00:28:05,645
And yet my mother,
who it was patterned after,
693
00:28:05,645 --> 00:28:07,522
was, I thought,
694
00:28:07,647 --> 00:28:11,275
completely out there by herself
in some other universe.
695
00:28:12,568 --> 00:28:13,778
I knew people
had mother issues.
696
00:28:13,778 --> 00:28:15,113
I didn't think I was alone
697
00:28:15,113 --> 00:28:16,155
on the reservation,
698
00:28:16,155 --> 00:28:18,157
but I really did think my mother
699
00:28:18,157 --> 00:28:20,243
was out in some other universe.
700
00:28:20,243 --> 00:28:21,869
It's really about her fears
701
00:28:21,994 --> 00:28:24,497
and terrors and anxieties.
702
00:28:24,497 --> 00:28:26,958
But what
I didn't understand then,
703
00:28:26,958 --> 00:28:30,169
the thing I learned
many, many years later,
704
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:32,380
I was living out in California.
705
00:28:32,505 --> 00:28:34,590
I was talking to my mother
on the phone.
706
00:28:34,590 --> 00:28:36,718
This was toward
the end of her life.
707
00:28:36,843 --> 00:28:38,553
We were talking about
my grandfather.
708
00:28:38,678 --> 00:28:40,054
She said, "It's like
Aunt Louise,
709
00:28:40,179 --> 00:28:41,723
he didn't mean to hurt her."
710
00:28:43,057 --> 00:28:44,559
I said, "What do you mean?"
711
00:28:45,268 --> 00:28:46,894
She said, "Well, yes,
he kicked her
712
00:28:47,019 --> 00:28:48,688
and he didn't mean to."
713
00:28:48,688 --> 00:28:50,523
I said, "What do you mean
he kicked her?"
714
00:28:51,107 --> 00:28:53,443
She said, "Well, yes,
he kicked her in the vagina."
715
00:28:53,568 --> 00:28:54,610
[bells tolling]
716
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:55,903
I said, "What?"
717
00:28:56,863 --> 00:28:58,906
She said, "Yeah,
he kicked her in the vagina."
718
00:28:59,407 --> 00:29:01,033
I said, "What was going on?"
719
00:29:01,033 --> 00:29:02,285
"Oh, I don't know.
720
00:29:02,285 --> 00:29:04,245
She was getting married
the next day.
721
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:07,331
And, um, he was just upset."
722
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,250
[chuckles softly]
723
00:29:09,917 --> 00:29:11,127
I just thought,
724
00:29:12,086 --> 00:29:14,297
this is-- things started
to make sense to me.
725
00:29:15,048 --> 00:29:17,884
Because I remember
my mother screaming
726
00:29:18,634 --> 00:29:20,011
in a nightmare saying,
727
00:29:20,011 --> 00:29:21,846
"Papa, put your pants back on!
728
00:29:21,846 --> 00:29:24,515
Don't do--
Papa, put your pants back on!"
729
00:29:24,515 --> 00:29:25,641
So I have no proof,
730
00:29:26,267 --> 00:29:28,269
but he was a bad guy.
731
00:29:29,312 --> 00:29:30,646
And so was my father's father.
732
00:29:32,065 --> 00:29:34,067
Some of these guys
from Southern Italy...
733
00:29:34,067 --> 00:29:36,110
[exhales] Wow.
734
00:29:43,534 --> 00:29:46,120
[gentle guitar melody playing]
735
00:29:47,955 --> 00:29:49,332
[train whistle blows]
736
00:29:50,583 --> 00:29:53,628
[David] I came here to
Hollywood to make movies,
737
00:29:53,753 --> 00:29:56,130
and I got sidetracked into TV
738
00:29:56,255 --> 00:29:58,091
and to becoming a writer,
739
00:29:58,091 --> 00:29:59,550
basically because of
what I would say
740
00:29:59,550 --> 00:30:00,968
were my own weaknesses.
741
00:30:01,094 --> 00:30:03,054
One, I became scared to direct,
742
00:30:03,054 --> 00:30:05,807
and also there was
money involved.
743
00:30:06,516 --> 00:30:08,518
But then the second year
of the show,
744
00:30:08,518 --> 00:30:11,771
my feature agent took me out
to lunch and he said,
745
00:30:11,771 --> 00:30:15,024
"I want to impress upon you
that you are a brand now.
746
00:30:15,149 --> 00:30:16,984
And I'm saying this
to you because
747
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:19,821
now you can get to do
all those movies you want."
748
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,991
Many people probably would have
quit then and there, right?
749
00:30:24,117 --> 00:30:25,535
And maybe I should have.
750
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,871
But I just loved doing
The Sopranos so much
751
00:30:28,871 --> 00:30:31,124
that I stuck with it.
752
00:30:31,124 --> 00:30:34,043
They talk about
universe-building all the time.
753
00:30:34,168 --> 00:30:36,045
The more I did The Sopranos,
754
00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:39,298
the less I could watch
anything else.
755
00:30:39,298 --> 00:30:41,634
It wouldn't make sense to me.
756
00:30:41,634 --> 00:30:44,429
It wasn't in the universe
where I was existing.
757
00:30:44,429 --> 00:30:46,931
Not only those characters,
I was living there.
758
00:30:46,931 --> 00:30:48,850
[Alex laughs] Right.
759
00:30:48,975 --> 00:30:50,309
[David] It's all about
the characters.
760
00:30:50,309 --> 00:30:51,728
What's going on?
761
00:30:51,728 --> 00:30:54,188
I mean, the story comes
out of those characters
762
00:30:54,689 --> 00:30:56,399
and in that little universe.
763
00:30:56,524 --> 00:30:58,192
Oh!
764
00:30:58,317 --> 00:30:59,777
Over and over again,
765
00:30:59,777 --> 00:31:02,363
every character
made a deal with the devil.
766
00:31:02,905 --> 00:31:05,241
I said it's about
money and death, right?
767
00:31:05,366 --> 00:31:07,577
Why do we have to get rid
of the body?
768
00:31:07,702 --> 00:31:09,162
With the fucking questions now?
769
00:31:09,704 --> 00:31:11,789
Everybody made a deal
with the devil.
770
00:31:11,789 --> 00:31:13,833
There was this issue
of an outstanding loan.
771
00:31:13,833 --> 00:31:15,293
Can I stop you for a second?
772
00:31:15,293 --> 00:31:17,170
Melfi made a deal
with the devil.
773
00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:19,380
I don't know where
this story is going.
774
00:31:21,174 --> 00:31:23,593
But there are a few
ethical ground rules
775
00:31:23,593 --> 00:31:25,470
we should quickly
get out of the way.
776
00:31:27,055 --> 00:31:29,432
What you tell me here
falls under
777
00:31:29,432 --> 00:31:31,934
doctor-patient confidentiality,
778
00:31:32,894 --> 00:31:35,396
except, if I was, uh...
779
00:31:36,439 --> 00:31:39,901
if I was to hear, let's say,
a murder was to take place.
780
00:31:40,026 --> 00:31:42,070
Not that I'm saying it would,
but if.
781
00:31:42,570 --> 00:31:44,655
If a patient comes to me
and tells me a story
782
00:31:44,655 --> 00:31:46,199
where someone's
going to get hurt,
783
00:31:46,199 --> 00:31:48,367
I'm supposed to go
to the authorities.
784
00:31:48,951 --> 00:31:50,495
[David] Would I have
to go to the police?
785
00:31:50,495 --> 00:31:51,496
Technically.
786
00:31:51,496 --> 00:31:52,830
Technically.
787
00:31:53,414 --> 00:31:55,124
I don't know what happened
with this fellow.
788
00:31:55,124 --> 00:31:58,127
I'm-I'm... I'm just saying.
789
00:31:59,420 --> 00:32:01,422
Isn't that a deal
with the devil?
790
00:32:01,547 --> 00:32:02,382
Here.
791
00:32:02,382 --> 00:32:03,758
[can hissing]
792
00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:05,802
[Tony chuckles]
793
00:32:06,761 --> 00:32:09,639
[uneasy music playing]
794
00:32:10,473 --> 00:32:12,600
[Carmela] He's a good man,
a good father.
795
00:32:12,725 --> 00:32:15,353
You tell me
he's a depressed criminal.
796
00:32:15,353 --> 00:32:18,106
- [grunting]
- Prone to anger,
797
00:32:18,231 --> 00:32:19,857
serially unfaithful.
798
00:32:19,857 --> 00:32:23,653
Is that your definition
of a good man?
799
00:32:24,904 --> 00:32:27,448
[David] Carmela, she was
married to the devil.
800
00:32:27,573 --> 00:32:29,492
She married him
and stayed married to him.
801
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:31,536
[sobbing, sniffling]
802
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,289
You can leave now or stay
and hear what I have to say.
803
00:32:38,751 --> 00:32:40,294
You must trust
your initial impulse
804
00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:42,380
and consider leaving him.
805
00:32:43,256 --> 00:32:45,675
You'll never be able to
feel good about yourself.
806
00:32:45,675 --> 00:32:49,512
You'll never be able to quell
the feelings of guilt and shame
807
00:32:50,346 --> 00:32:51,681
that you talked about
808
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,642
as long as
you're his accomplice.
809
00:32:55,977 --> 00:32:57,228
[sniffles] Leave him.
810
00:32:57,228 --> 00:32:59,147
[Krakower]
Take only the children,
811
00:32:59,272 --> 00:33:01,107
what's left of them, and go.
812
00:33:01,941 --> 00:33:04,193
[Carmela] My priest said I
should try and work with him,
813
00:33:04,193 --> 00:33:05,862
help him to be a better man.
814
00:33:05,987 --> 00:33:07,238
[Krakower] How's that going?
815
00:33:07,238 --> 00:33:09,157
[glass smashing]
816
00:33:11,159 --> 00:33:14,537
[David] She was told,
"Take your kids and leave now."
817
00:33:15,329 --> 00:33:17,373
That old psychiatrist,
818
00:33:17,498 --> 00:33:18,833
that was the only person
819
00:33:18,958 --> 00:33:20,543
that ever spoke
the truth about it
820
00:33:20,668 --> 00:33:21,711
in the whole show.
821
00:33:21,836 --> 00:33:23,004
Tony.
822
00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:25,506
[Krakower]
I'm not charging you
823
00:33:25,631 --> 00:33:26,924
because I won't take
blood money.
824
00:33:26,924 --> 00:33:28,009
Happy birthday.
825
00:33:28,134 --> 00:33:29,343
You can't either.
826
00:33:29,677 --> 00:33:30,678
Mm!
827
00:33:31,846 --> 00:33:33,514
One thing you can never say,
828
00:33:35,224 --> 00:33:36,851
that you haven't been told.
829
00:33:38,061 --> 00:33:39,937
[David] You're living
off of his blood money.
830
00:33:39,937 --> 00:33:41,939
Tony, what did you do?
831
00:33:41,939 --> 00:33:44,734
Take your children now
and leave.
832
00:33:44,859 --> 00:33:45,943
Oh my God.
833
00:33:45,943 --> 00:33:48,029
- We're having a good week.
- [gasps]
834
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:49,363
She didn't do it.
835
00:33:49,489 --> 00:33:52,283
Oh my God! What a car!
836
00:33:52,283 --> 00:33:54,702
It's a very interesting thing,
the level of denial
837
00:33:55,203 --> 00:33:57,497
that someone like her
would have to live with.
838
00:33:57,497 --> 00:34:00,875
Or the story she tells herself
in order to make that okay.
839
00:34:01,667 --> 00:34:03,044
I don't think there was
anything going on
840
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:05,338
she didn't know about,
at least peripherally.
841
00:34:05,338 --> 00:34:06,923
[floorboards creaking]
842
00:34:10,927 --> 00:34:14,013
- [cocking shotgun]
- [crows cawing]
843
00:34:14,138 --> 00:34:16,474
[Alex] If Tony's the devil,
is there a deal with the devil?
844
00:34:16,474 --> 00:34:18,142
[David] He obviously
made his deal.
845
00:34:18,142 --> 00:34:20,978
You know, he's really
the devil's representative,
846
00:34:20,978 --> 00:34:22,480
however you want to put it.
847
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,815
[water running]
848
00:34:23,815 --> 00:34:25,942
But he wasn't happy
with his deal, was he?
849
00:34:26,734 --> 00:34:28,653
See, that's what I often felt.
850
00:34:28,653 --> 00:34:30,988
People said, "Oh, he should
have been punished."
851
00:34:30,988 --> 00:34:32,907
- [water stops]
- And my response always:
852
00:34:33,032 --> 00:34:36,285
"He was punished every day,
this guy.
853
00:34:36,285 --> 00:34:39,539
You didn't see him be miserable
for all these years?"
854
00:34:39,539 --> 00:34:40,665
[retching]
855
00:34:40,665 --> 00:34:41,999
[James]
It's a man in struggle.
856
00:34:41,999 --> 00:34:43,126
He doesn't have a religion.
857
00:34:43,251 --> 00:34:44,502
Doesn't believe in
the government.
858
00:34:44,502 --> 00:34:46,254
Mr. Soprano was kind enough
to come with us.
859
00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:49,173
He doesn't believe in anything
except his code of honor.
860
00:34:49,173 --> 00:34:51,134
I'm sure Agent Harris explained
861
00:34:51,134 --> 00:34:52,927
that there's something
we'd like you to hear.
862
00:34:53,052 --> 00:34:55,596
And his code of honor
is all going to shit.
863
00:34:55,722 --> 00:34:56,931
[tape deck clicks]
864
00:34:57,056 --> 00:34:58,808
[Junior] What are you
talking about, meetings?
865
00:34:58,933 --> 00:35:00,351
With who, for Christ's sake,
Livia?
866
00:35:00,351 --> 00:35:01,769
[Livia] All of them!
867
00:35:01,894 --> 00:35:04,063
Raymond. Larry.
868
00:35:04,063 --> 00:35:06,524
Three of my capos have
their mothers in his place?
869
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,236
If this is true, Livia,
you know what I...
870
00:35:10,236 --> 00:35:11,821
I mean, I'm the boss,
for Christ's sake.
871
00:35:11,946 --> 00:35:13,781
If I don't act, blood or no...
872
00:35:14,449 --> 00:35:15,491
[Tony groaning]
873
00:35:15,491 --> 00:35:17,034
[Junior] I have to.
874
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:20,246
- Dead now, motherfucker.
- [Tony screams]
875
00:35:20,246 --> 00:35:21,956
[gunshot echoes]
876
00:35:24,584 --> 00:35:26,085
[James]
So he has nothing left
877
00:35:26,085 --> 00:35:27,837
and he's looking around
and he doesn't--
878
00:35:27,962 --> 00:35:29,422
It was that-that searching
879
00:35:29,422 --> 00:35:31,758
that I think a lot of America
does half the time.
880
00:35:31,758 --> 00:35:33,634
You can go buy things,
do whatever,
881
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,345
but it was that he had
no center left.
882
00:35:36,345 --> 00:35:39,348
He's a guy who always tries to
do the right thing in his mind,
883
00:35:39,348 --> 00:35:42,852
which ends up screwing up
everybody's life, pretty much.
884
00:35:42,977 --> 00:35:44,520
He's always trying to do
the right thing
885
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,481
and it's never really
the right thing.
886
00:35:47,982 --> 00:35:49,609
Like blowing up his friend's
restaurant
887
00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:51,903
to stop a hit
from being done there.
888
00:35:51,903 --> 00:35:53,654
He thinks it's doing
the right thing,
889
00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:56,699
instead it reverberates down
and screws up everybody's life.
890
00:35:56,824 --> 00:35:57,992
[cocking rifle]
891
00:35:58,868 --> 00:36:00,328
The fuck are you doing?
892
00:36:00,453 --> 00:36:01,662
Look me in the eye.
893
00:36:02,622 --> 00:36:06,042
Tell me you didn't lay a finger
on my place.
894
00:36:06,793 --> 00:36:09,003
[David] I think the show
got deeper as it went on.
895
00:36:09,128 --> 00:36:10,713
I didn't burn down
your restaurant.
896
00:36:10,713 --> 00:36:12,548
I think Jim was a lot of
the reason for that.
897
00:36:12,673 --> 00:36:13,925
I swear on my mother.
898
00:36:18,846 --> 00:36:20,348
[Chris] Jimmy had magic,
899
00:36:20,473 --> 00:36:22,266
and I think that magic kind of
900
00:36:22,266 --> 00:36:24,977
permeated in
concentric circles
901
00:36:24,977 --> 00:36:27,355
out to everybody else, including
the crew, the directors,
902
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,399
the writers, the actors.
903
00:36:29,399 --> 00:36:30,775
[crew member] Very quiet.
904
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:33,236
[James sighs]
905
00:36:33,361 --> 00:36:35,113
[Edie] It was always great,
906
00:36:35,113 --> 00:36:37,240
from the beginning
to the very end.
907
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,201
[crew member] Here we go.
Background! Action!
908
00:36:40,326 --> 00:36:41,536
It was like playing,
909
00:36:41,661 --> 00:36:43,246
it always felt like playing
with him,
910
00:36:43,246 --> 00:36:44,997
the way little kids play.
911
00:36:44,997 --> 00:36:47,166
Like, "You be the mommy
and I'll be the daddy."
912
00:36:47,166 --> 00:36:50,336
It was as easy
and carefree as that.
913
00:36:50,878 --> 00:36:53,131
[crew member] Take eight.
Pick up eight mark.
914
00:36:54,173 --> 00:36:55,007
Action!
915
00:36:55,007 --> 00:36:56,134
Go ahead.
916
00:36:56,884 --> 00:36:58,553
Tell me again
I sound like your wife.
917
00:36:58,678 --> 00:36:59,887
[James squeals]
918
00:37:00,596 --> 00:37:01,639
[Lorraine] Go ahead.
919
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,392
[babbling]
920
00:37:05,309 --> 00:37:07,603
[Lorraine] He would just,
you know, fuck around.
921
00:37:07,729 --> 00:37:09,021
[blows raspberry, chuckles]
922
00:37:09,021 --> 00:37:10,565
He would throw kisses at me
923
00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:12,400
and take his clothes off.
924
00:37:12,525 --> 00:37:15,737
I mean, he was just a lunatic.
925
00:37:15,862 --> 00:37:16,946
[blows air]
926
00:37:17,071 --> 00:37:19,282
- [Lorraine] Okay.
- Wait a minute. Hold on.
927
00:37:19,282 --> 00:37:21,784
Go ahead. Tell me again
I sound like your wife.
928
00:37:22,744 --> 00:37:24,537
[James trumpets like
an elephant]
929
00:37:24,537 --> 00:37:26,497
[James chuckles]
930
00:37:27,123 --> 00:37:29,208
[mumbling indistinctly]
931
00:37:29,208 --> 00:37:31,002
[David] He was great
to that crew.
932
00:37:31,002 --> 00:37:32,253
Made them laugh.
933
00:37:33,087 --> 00:37:36,591
And he gave each of
the cast members $30,000.
934
00:37:36,716 --> 00:37:38,718
[Alex] You mean after
his big negotiation
935
00:37:38,718 --> 00:37:40,678
where he held out
and HBO paid him
936
00:37:40,678 --> 00:37:41,846
a million dollars
an episode?
937
00:37:41,846 --> 00:37:42,805
Yeah.
938
00:37:44,432 --> 00:37:46,100
[Drea] When Jim
got the deal,
939
00:37:46,225 --> 00:37:47,727
none of us even knew
it was on the table.
940
00:37:47,727 --> 00:37:49,604
We didn't know to negotiate.
941
00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:52,190
I think he felt terrible
about that.
942
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:57,236
So he called us all
into his trailer one by one
943
00:37:57,236 --> 00:37:59,697
and gave everybody a check
for $30,000.
944
00:37:59,697 --> 00:38:01,032
What?
945
00:38:02,909 --> 00:38:06,079
- I never got $30,000.
- [Alex exclaims, chuckles]
946
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,457
All right. This is where
I turn the camera on you.
947
00:38:09,582 --> 00:38:11,084
No, I don't know anything
about that.
948
00:38:11,084 --> 00:38:13,336
Uh, he gave money
to cast members?
949
00:38:13,336 --> 00:38:15,213
Yeah, that makes--
That sounds like him.
950
00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:19,717
He was a very good-hearted,
kind man.
951
00:38:21,344 --> 00:38:22,970
Looking out for his friends.
952
00:38:24,263 --> 00:38:26,641
[mellow electronic music
playing]
953
00:38:26,766 --> 00:38:28,559
[David] He was
a generous person.
954
00:38:29,143 --> 00:38:31,646
I think he felt HBO
had fucked them.
955
00:38:31,771 --> 00:38:35,733
And he wanted to do something
to make up for it, to help.
956
00:38:37,151 --> 00:38:40,488
I also think that there was
maybe a shred of regret
957
00:38:40,613 --> 00:38:43,032
for the days he didn't
show up for work.
958
00:38:43,157 --> 00:38:44,575
Everybody was ready...
959
00:38:47,328 --> 00:38:48,579
Where's Jim?
960
00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:49,956
Look, we all partied
961
00:38:49,956 --> 00:38:52,166
and we had
a great fucking time.
962
00:38:52,291 --> 00:38:54,711
And maybe there were
some mornings where it just
963
00:38:54,711 --> 00:38:57,547
was a little harder to get out
of bed for all of us.
964
00:38:57,672 --> 00:38:59,215
It wasn't just Jim.
965
00:38:59,340 --> 00:39:00,508
What started to happen was,
966
00:39:00,633 --> 00:39:02,719
aside from the money
that it cost,
967
00:39:02,844 --> 00:39:04,178
there's the worry about,
968
00:39:04,303 --> 00:39:06,013
you know,
what's happening to him.
969
00:39:07,473 --> 00:39:10,518
And then ultimately, he had to
agree that we could dock him
970
00:39:10,643 --> 00:39:13,688
$100,000 a day for every day
he didn't show up.
971
00:39:13,813 --> 00:39:15,648
[crew member] All right,
this is a pick-up.
972
00:39:15,648 --> 00:39:18,276
[David] I think what Jim
didn't know or expect
973
00:39:18,985 --> 00:39:22,113
is just how difficult it is
to be the lead of a series.
974
00:39:23,698 --> 00:39:25,825
[James] I... had no clue.
975
00:39:25,825 --> 00:39:27,910
I walked in with a big smile
on my face
976
00:39:28,035 --> 00:39:30,955
and I got punched
right in the nose and I said,
977
00:39:30,955 --> 00:39:32,623
"I got to figure out some way
to do this."
978
00:39:32,623 --> 00:39:34,876
I had no clue
how to prepare for it.
979
00:39:36,878 --> 00:39:38,171
You'll start Monday morning,
980
00:39:38,171 --> 00:39:41,424
usually 5:30, six o'clock,
even earlier.
981
00:39:41,424 --> 00:39:44,052
It'll go to... you go 14 hours.
982
00:39:44,177 --> 00:39:46,137
And because the actors have
a 12-hour turnaround,
983
00:39:46,137 --> 00:39:47,972
you go 8:00 and you start
at 8:00 the next day,
984
00:39:47,972 --> 00:39:49,348
then you work till 10:00.
985
00:39:49,348 --> 00:39:51,142
You start 10:00 the next day,
work till 12:00.
986
00:39:51,142 --> 00:39:53,895
Then you're going to come home
and you've got to memorize
987
00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:55,396
seven, eight pages,
988
00:39:55,521 --> 00:39:58,608
four or five scenes
for the next day.
989
00:39:58,608 --> 00:40:00,359
And they can work you later
on a Friday night.
990
00:40:00,359 --> 00:40:03,029
So Friday you're usually there
till 2:00, 3:00 in the morning.
991
00:40:03,029 --> 00:40:05,740
Sometimes we've seen
the sun come up on Saturday,
992
00:40:05,865 --> 00:40:08,242
and then Monday morning,
you start all over again.
993
00:40:09,702 --> 00:40:12,997
He probably quit the show
every other day, I would say.
994
00:40:12,997 --> 00:40:14,540
You know, maybe every day.
995
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:15,917
But giving him...
996
00:40:16,042 --> 00:40:17,794
Every other day,
997
00:40:17,794 --> 00:40:20,254
we would go to a bar and,
you know... [chuckles]
998
00:40:21,381 --> 00:40:23,800
We would have
the exact same conversation.
999
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,345
We would get drunk, you know,
say, "I'm-I'm done.
1000
00:40:27,345 --> 00:40:28,763
I can't, I'm not going back."
1001
00:40:28,888 --> 00:40:30,264
And I would say, "Okay,
1002
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:32,975
you got a hundred people
depending on you here."
1003
00:40:33,101 --> 00:40:36,437
You know? And he's like,
"Ah, yeah, yeah. Okay."
1004
00:40:36,562 --> 00:40:38,189
You know. [laughs]
1005
00:40:38,189 --> 00:40:40,191
So usually he would come back.
1006
00:40:40,191 --> 00:40:43,319
But then a few times,
he disappeared for a few days.
1007
00:40:43,319 --> 00:40:44,779
You know, it just got to him.
1008
00:40:47,573 --> 00:40:49,117
[director] And action.
1009
00:40:49,826 --> 00:40:52,370
I'm gonna tell you something
you're not gonna like.
1010
00:40:54,956 --> 00:40:56,457
[sighs] Fuck.
1011
00:40:56,958 --> 00:40:58,042
Just cut it.
1012
00:40:59,419 --> 00:41:01,462
- This fucking scene.
- [bell rings]
1013
00:41:01,587 --> 00:41:06,050
He felt that he had to go
to places, he said, that were
1014
00:41:07,635 --> 00:41:08,678
destructive to him.
1015
00:41:08,803 --> 00:41:09,679
[Tony] You know what?
1016
00:41:10,263 --> 00:41:11,848
[David] And painful for him.
1017
00:41:11,973 --> 00:41:13,349
You're fucking crazy.
1018
00:41:13,933 --> 00:41:16,227
All I ever asked for
was kindness.
1019
00:41:16,227 --> 00:41:18,521
- Come here. Come here.
- [whimpers]
1020
00:41:18,521 --> 00:41:20,481
You listen to me
and you listen to me good.
1021
00:41:21,274 --> 00:41:23,067
No more calls, no more nothing.
1022
00:41:23,067 --> 00:41:25,319
You see me,
you cross the street.
1023
00:41:25,445 --> 00:41:27,655
You're a dangerous fuck
and I don't want you in my life.
1024
00:41:28,698 --> 00:41:30,366
No, don't. Don't go! Don't go!
1025
00:41:31,117 --> 00:41:32,034
I'll call your wife!
1026
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:36,205
What'd you say?
1027
00:41:38,666 --> 00:41:39,500
I'll go to Columbia.
1028
00:41:40,126 --> 00:41:41,461
I'll tell your daughter
about us.
1029
00:41:42,003 --> 00:41:44,589
[James] Some of the things
I'll use to get angry
1030
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,342
are... lack of sleep
1031
00:41:50,011 --> 00:41:52,346
will piss you off to no end.
1032
00:41:52,472 --> 00:41:53,556
[Tony groans]
1033
00:41:53,556 --> 00:41:55,391
Sleep two, three hours a night
1034
00:41:55,516 --> 00:41:56,809
before you have
a violent scene,
1035
00:41:56,809 --> 00:41:59,228
every single thing
that anyone does
1036
00:41:59,228 --> 00:42:00,563
will piss you off.
1037
00:42:00,688 --> 00:42:01,522
[Gloria wheezing]
1038
00:42:01,647 --> 00:42:02,940
Now you listen to me.
1039
00:42:03,649 --> 00:42:05,943
You go near my wife
or my family,
1040
00:42:05,943 --> 00:42:07,195
and I'll fucking kill you.
1041
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,238
You understand me?
I'll fucking kill you.
1042
00:42:09,238 --> 00:42:12,366
Kill me.
Kill me, you cocksucker.
1043
00:42:12,492 --> 00:42:14,619
I'll do a lot of weird things.
Bang my head on things.
1044
00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:16,162
You do whatever you need to do.
1045
00:42:16,162 --> 00:42:18,039
Put a rock in your shoe,
a very pointy rock.
1046
00:42:18,164 --> 00:42:19,415
Walk around with that all day.
1047
00:42:20,208 --> 00:42:22,668
I mean, it's silly,
but it works. You're mad.
1048
00:42:23,544 --> 00:42:25,588
And slowly, things become
more accessible to you.
1049
00:42:25,713 --> 00:42:27,715
But I find I need to be alone.
1050
00:42:28,383 --> 00:42:30,885
I'm not the type that's
going to be chatting a lot
1051
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:32,720
before I have to do something.
1052
00:42:32,845 --> 00:42:34,472
I'll drink six cups of coffee.
1053
00:42:35,181 --> 00:42:37,141
I don't recommend that
to anybody, but...
1054
00:42:37,725 --> 00:42:39,018
And then you're mad.
1055
00:42:39,018 --> 00:42:41,354
I'll try anything
to get where I have to go.
1056
00:42:41,354 --> 00:42:43,272
As long as it's not
gonna hurt anybody.
1057
00:42:43,731 --> 00:42:47,151
Fucking goddamn! Fucking bitch!
1058
00:42:48,194 --> 00:42:49,570
Goddamn it, Tony!
1059
00:42:54,742 --> 00:42:56,411
[crew chattering]
1060
00:42:56,536 --> 00:42:57,829
[coughs]
1061
00:43:01,707 --> 00:43:03,209
[Robin] He would get himself
ready for a scene
1062
00:43:03,209 --> 00:43:05,128
by punching the inside
of the car so much
1063
00:43:05,128 --> 00:43:06,504
his knuckles would be bruised.
1064
00:43:06,504 --> 00:43:09,006
He'd have to do these
things to himself.
1065
00:43:09,006 --> 00:43:11,134
[somber music playing]
1066
00:43:13,386 --> 00:43:17,306
When Jim killed the snitch,
he really hurt his hands.
1067
00:43:17,306 --> 00:43:19,392
The rope or whatever it was.
1068
00:43:19,392 --> 00:43:20,768
[Tony grunting heavily]
1069
00:43:21,477 --> 00:43:24,272
- [telephone ringing]
- [birds calling]
1070
00:43:24,272 --> 00:43:25,982
[Edie] He was incredibly
invested
1071
00:43:26,107 --> 00:43:28,317
in making that character
believable,
1072
00:43:28,317 --> 00:43:31,195
and unless you're
really diligent,
1073
00:43:31,195 --> 00:43:33,197
you can end up taking
your work home.
1074
00:43:33,197 --> 00:43:35,491
As an actor, that's not
always a great idea.
1075
00:43:35,491 --> 00:43:39,620
So yeah, I think-- I think it
may have taken a toll on him.
1076
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:44,083
[David] When you said to me,
1077
00:43:44,083 --> 00:43:45,585
"He said it was difficult
for him,"
1078
00:43:45,585 --> 00:43:47,045
and I said,
"That's what he said."
1079
00:43:47,045 --> 00:43:48,087
[Alex] Right.
1080
00:43:48,087 --> 00:43:49,589
To a certain extent,
1081
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:52,341
I'm being a wiseass
because obviously
1082
00:43:52,341 --> 00:43:54,802
there was other things
going on in his life also.
1083
00:43:55,636 --> 00:43:59,140
And he had some problems
which are now well-known,
1084
00:44:00,141 --> 00:44:02,560
uh, that were continuing
to go on.
1085
00:44:03,269 --> 00:44:05,313
[interviewer] How do you recover
from a shoot like that?
1086
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:07,190
You drink.
1087
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:09,317
[chuckles] I don't know.
I don't know.
1088
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:14,906
We did an intervention with him
at my apartment in New York,
1089
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:19,160
and, uh, that was to try
to get him to go
1090
00:44:19,869 --> 00:44:22,955
to a facility, you know,
for rehab.
1091
00:44:22,955 --> 00:44:26,042
And we had had a lot
of friction by that point.
1092
00:44:26,167 --> 00:44:30,338
And-And the, uh, the ruse was
I was inviting Jimmy over
1093
00:44:30,463 --> 00:44:33,174
so we could talk things through
and clear the air.
1094
00:44:34,217 --> 00:44:37,053
And then he came up, everybody,
1095
00:44:37,178 --> 00:44:39,389
we had the rehearsal the day
before or whatever.
1096
00:44:39,389 --> 00:44:41,349
His sister,
everybody were there,
1097
00:44:41,474 --> 00:44:43,476
and he walked in,
he saw everybody sitting there,
1098
00:44:43,476 --> 00:44:45,311
and he went, "Oh, fuck this."
1099
00:44:45,311 --> 00:44:48,231
And he walked out and
everybody went, "Jimmy, Jimmy."
1100
00:44:48,356 --> 00:44:51,067
And he turned to me
and he went, "Fire me."
1101
00:44:52,026 --> 00:44:53,152
And he left.
1102
00:44:53,152 --> 00:44:54,821
[indistinct chatter]
1103
00:44:54,821 --> 00:44:56,948
Can I be-- Can I be
a Soprano baby?
1104
00:44:57,490 --> 00:44:59,617
[Michael] Jim had, you know,
like all of us,
1105
00:44:59,617 --> 00:45:01,494
his own things to work out.
1106
00:45:01,494 --> 00:45:03,663
And his life changed
dramatically
1107
00:45:03,663 --> 00:45:05,248
in the course of that show.
1108
00:45:05,248 --> 00:45:06,457
[man] Relax, man.
1109
00:45:06,457 --> 00:45:08,042
[James] Get the fuck
away from me.
1110
00:45:08,167 --> 00:45:09,127
You understand me?
1111
00:45:09,127 --> 00:45:11,629
[man] Yeah. Just relax.
1112
00:45:11,629 --> 00:45:13,589
[James] I'm gonna break
your fucking face.
1113
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:16,801
He went from being
a relatively unknown actor
1114
00:45:16,801 --> 00:45:19,804
to being a huge star,
extremely recognizable,
1115
00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:22,181
and it was
a little strange for him,
1116
00:45:22,181 --> 00:45:25,476
that kind of eradication
of privacy.
1117
00:45:25,476 --> 00:45:27,395
[photographer]
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
1118
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,938
[Michael] He was really
in the spotlight
1119
00:45:29,063 --> 00:45:29,939
wherever he went.
1120
00:45:30,064 --> 00:45:31,524
He didn't blend into the crowd.
1121
00:45:31,524 --> 00:45:33,359
Stop it. My kid's with me.
1122
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:35,403
And he was very different
than Tony Soprano.
1123
00:45:36,112 --> 00:45:37,488
He was very laid back.
1124
00:45:37,488 --> 00:45:39,240
You know, he wore Birkenstocks
1125
00:45:39,365 --> 00:45:41,909
and liked Green Day and AC/DC.
1126
00:45:42,034 --> 00:45:44,328
- What kind of puppy?
- [woman] Chihuahua Pomeranian.
1127
00:45:44,328 --> 00:45:46,873
What's funny is that a lot
of fans look at Tony Soprano
1128
00:45:46,873 --> 00:45:48,332
as kind of a role model,
1129
00:45:48,332 --> 00:45:51,085
which is very scary
in a lot of ways.
1130
00:45:51,627 --> 00:45:52,920
So maybe that-- you know,
1131
00:45:53,046 --> 00:45:54,714
I mean,
he probably felt that.
1132
00:45:55,298 --> 00:45:56,716
People thinking
he's Tony Soprano
1133
00:45:56,716 --> 00:45:57,925
and he's not.
1134
00:45:58,426 --> 00:46:01,512
[David] He was really a good guy
and really complicated.
1135
00:46:02,430 --> 00:46:03,473
You might say,
1136
00:46:05,433 --> 00:46:06,642
and I'm not sure about this,
1137
00:46:06,768 --> 00:46:08,519
maybe there was
more Tony there
1138
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:10,271
than he wanted to admit.
1139
00:46:10,396 --> 00:46:11,981
That it was too easy for him.
1140
00:46:12,106 --> 00:46:13,649
[Carmela] Can I tell you
something, Tony?
1141
00:46:14,108 --> 00:46:15,777
Don't pretend like
I got a choice.
1142
00:46:16,486 --> 00:46:17,528
The last year,
1143
00:46:18,404 --> 00:46:21,657
I have been dreaming,
and fantasizing,
1144
00:46:21,783 --> 00:46:23,284
and in love with Furio.
1145
00:46:24,243 --> 00:46:25,453
[stammers]
1146
00:46:27,914 --> 00:46:30,083
[continues pounding on wall]
1147
00:46:30,083 --> 00:46:32,627
He talked to you! Oh, poor you!
1148
00:46:32,752 --> 00:46:34,504
He made me feel like I mattered!
1149
00:46:34,629 --> 00:46:36,089
You asked me the other day,
1150
00:46:36,089 --> 00:46:37,840
what Irina's cousin has
that you don't have.
1151
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,843
And I thought about it 'cause
it's a good fucking question.
1152
00:46:40,843 --> 00:46:43,012
And she's sexy enough,
even with the one pin gone,
1153
00:46:43,137 --> 00:46:44,013
but that's not it.
1154
00:46:44,138 --> 00:46:45,473
I could converse with her
1155
00:46:45,598 --> 00:46:46,766
'cause she had something to say!
1156
00:46:46,766 --> 00:46:48,768
I am here!
1157
00:46:48,768 --> 00:46:50,144
I have things to say!
1158
00:46:50,269 --> 00:46:52,146
Besides "Bring the fucking
chairs down"
1159
00:46:52,271 --> 00:46:53,481
and "Did you sign
the living trust?"
1160
00:46:53,606 --> 00:46:55,108
She's a grown fucking woman
1161
00:46:55,108 --> 00:46:56,150
who's been kicked around!
1162
00:46:56,275 --> 00:46:57,527
And she's been on her own
1163
00:46:57,527 --> 00:46:59,695
and she's had to fight!
And struggle!
1164
00:46:59,821 --> 00:47:01,489
Unlike me, is that it?
1165
00:47:01,614 --> 00:47:03,908
Who the fuck
wanted it like this?
1166
00:47:03,908 --> 00:47:07,161
Who the fuck pissed and moaned
at just the idea
1167
00:47:07,286 --> 00:47:09,122
of me with a fucking
real estate license?!
1168
00:47:09,122 --> 00:47:11,541
Free to sit back
for 20 fucking years
1169
00:47:11,541 --> 00:47:13,209
and fiddle with
the air conditioning,
1170
00:47:13,334 --> 00:47:15,044
and fucking bitch and complain
1171
00:47:15,169 --> 00:47:18,297
and fucking
bitch, bitch, bitch! To me!
1172
00:47:18,297 --> 00:47:20,508
To your priest! Fuck it!
1173
00:47:22,385 --> 00:47:25,346
[David] And people say,
"The show got darker." Well...
1174
00:47:26,055 --> 00:47:27,265
he got darker.
1175
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:35,732
[priest] I am Resurrection.
1176
00:47:35,857 --> 00:47:37,483
[somber organ music playing]
1177
00:47:37,483 --> 00:47:39,861
And I am Life, says the Lord.
1178
00:47:41,821 --> 00:47:44,407
Whoever has faith in me
shall have life,
1179
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,785
even though he died.
1180
00:47:49,579 --> 00:47:51,247
And everyone who has life
1181
00:47:51,247 --> 00:47:54,876
and has committed himself
to me in faith,
1182
00:47:56,919 --> 00:47:58,212
shall not die forever.
1183
00:48:01,549 --> 00:48:03,217
[James Lipton]
Jim, if heaven exists,
1184
00:48:03,342 --> 00:48:04,761
what would you like
to hear God say
1185
00:48:04,761 --> 00:48:06,596
when you arrive
at the Pearly Gates?
1186
00:48:07,388 --> 00:48:09,474
"Take over for a while.
I'll be right back."
1187
00:48:09,474 --> 00:48:12,602
- [audience laughing]
- No, no, no. No, no, no.
1188
00:48:12,602 --> 00:48:14,896
- That's it. That's it.
- [cheering]
1189
00:48:15,021 --> 00:48:17,815
You dare not change it.
It's too good.
1190
00:48:17,815 --> 00:48:19,484
Think of the possibilities.
1191
00:48:20,526 --> 00:48:23,112
["Ave Maria" playing on piano]
1192
00:48:24,447 --> 00:48:26,657
[David] This is years after
the show ended.
1193
00:48:27,408 --> 00:48:28,659
His agent called me.
1194
00:48:33,122 --> 00:48:34,165
And she said...
1195
00:48:35,583 --> 00:48:37,251
She was, I don't mean blunt,
1196
00:48:37,377 --> 00:48:39,420
she was just very
straightforward about it.
1197
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:42,423
[Alex] Were you surprised?
1198
00:48:42,548 --> 00:48:43,508
No.
1199
00:48:45,968 --> 00:48:47,095
[clears throat]
1200
00:48:48,221 --> 00:48:49,138
Dear Jimmy,
1201
00:48:50,473 --> 00:48:52,892
your family asked me
to speak at your service,
1202
00:48:52,892 --> 00:48:55,645
and I am so honored and touched.
1203
00:48:57,146 --> 00:48:59,941
Um, I tried to write
a traditional eulogy, but...
1204
00:49:00,983 --> 00:49:03,277
it came out like bad-- bad TV.
1205
00:49:03,403 --> 00:49:04,320
Um...
1206
00:49:05,488 --> 00:49:06,864
So I'm writing you this letter,
1207
00:49:06,864 --> 00:49:08,950
but it is being done
to and for an audience,
1208
00:49:09,075 --> 00:49:10,952
so we'll give the funny
opening a try.
1209
00:49:11,619 --> 00:49:14,330
One day we were on the set
shooting a scene,
1210
00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:16,040
and it said,
"Tony opens the door angrily
1211
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,458
and he closes it,
1212
00:49:17,583 --> 00:49:18,626
then he starts to speak."
1213
00:49:19,335 --> 00:49:22,922
The cameras rolled and you
opened the refrigerator door,
1214
00:49:22,922 --> 00:49:24,757
and you slammed it really hard,
1215
00:49:24,757 --> 00:49:26,718
and you kept slamming it
and slamming it
1216
00:49:26,718 --> 00:49:28,678
and you went apeshit
on that refrigerator.
1217
00:49:28,678 --> 00:49:30,847
And so we finally
had to call cut.
1218
00:49:30,847 --> 00:49:34,058
And I remember you saying,
"Ah, this role, this role,
1219
00:49:34,058 --> 00:49:38,020
the-the places it takes me to
and the things I have to do,
1220
00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:40,565
it's so dark."
And I remember saying to you,
1221
00:49:40,565 --> 00:49:42,900
"Did I tell you to destroy
the refrigerator?
1222
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:44,986
Did it say anywhere
in the script,
1223
00:49:45,111 --> 00:49:46,446
'Tony destroys
the refrigerator'?"
1224
00:49:46,446 --> 00:49:48,322
[mourners laughing]
1225
00:49:48,448 --> 00:49:51,743
"It says, 'Tony angrily shuts
the refrigerator door.'
1226
00:49:51,743 --> 00:49:53,077
That's what it says.
1227
00:49:53,077 --> 00:49:54,912
You destroyed
the refrigerator."
1228
00:49:56,330 --> 00:49:57,331
[exhales]
1229
00:49:58,332 --> 00:50:00,668
Another memory image of you
that comes to mind is,
1230
00:50:00,793 --> 00:50:02,795
we were shooting in that
really hot summer
1231
00:50:02,795 --> 00:50:04,714
in humid New Jersey heat.
1232
00:50:04,714 --> 00:50:07,216
And you were sitting
in an aluminum beach chair
1233
00:50:08,217 --> 00:50:10,219
with a wet handkerchief
on your head.
1234
00:50:11,512 --> 00:50:13,765
And I was filled with love.
1235
00:50:14,348 --> 00:50:18,352
And I knew then
that I was in the right place.
1236
00:50:19,312 --> 00:50:20,605
Because, um...
1237
00:50:21,814 --> 00:50:24,025
I said, "Wow, I haven't seen
that done
1238
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:25,443
since my father used to do it
1239
00:50:25,443 --> 00:50:28,488
and my Italian uncles
used to do it
1240
00:50:28,488 --> 00:50:30,823
and my Italian grandfather
used to do it
1241
00:50:30,823 --> 00:50:33,367
in this same hot sun
in New Jersey."
1242
00:50:33,493 --> 00:50:36,871
And I was so proud
of our heritage.
1243
00:50:36,996 --> 00:50:38,081
[sobs]
1244
00:50:43,336 --> 00:50:44,796
[sniffles]
1245
00:50:44,796 --> 00:50:47,965
It made me so proud of
our heritage to see you do that.
1246
00:50:48,925 --> 00:50:51,302
I really feel that,
though I'm older than you,
1247
00:50:51,302 --> 00:50:54,597
that-- and always felt,
that we are brothers.
1248
00:50:55,556 --> 00:50:58,267
Now, to talk about a third guy
between us,
1249
00:50:58,267 --> 00:51:00,978
there was you and me
and this third guy. Um...
1250
00:51:01,562 --> 00:51:04,649
People always say,
"Tony Soprano,
1251
00:51:04,649 --> 00:51:07,318
why did we love him so much
when he was such a prick?"
1252
00:51:08,194 --> 00:51:10,822
And my theory was,
is they saw the little boy.
1253
00:51:11,906 --> 00:51:13,533
They felt and they loved
the little boy.
1254
00:51:13,533 --> 00:51:16,494
And they sensed
his love and hurt.
1255
00:51:16,494 --> 00:51:19,247
And you brought all of that
to it.
1256
00:51:19,914 --> 00:51:21,791
- [director] Cut it.
- [bell rings]
1257
00:51:22,583 --> 00:51:23,751
Let's go again.
1258
00:51:24,711 --> 00:51:26,796
[Alex] Working with Jim
as Tony,
1259
00:51:26,921 --> 00:51:28,172
when you were writing,
1260
00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:30,591
did you see elements
of yourself in Tony?
1261
00:51:32,552 --> 00:51:34,429
Toward the end, I began to.
1262
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:39,016
I was beginning to see that
we had merged in some way,
1263
00:51:39,016 --> 00:51:40,226
some strange way.
1264
00:51:40,226 --> 00:51:42,019
[somber mandolin music playing]
1265
00:51:42,019 --> 00:51:43,563
[Frank]
There were two Davids.
1266
00:51:43,563 --> 00:51:46,566
He was so fucking funny
when he wanted to be.
1267
00:51:46,566 --> 00:51:50,278
He was so, so great
when he wanted to be.
1268
00:51:51,112 --> 00:51:57,285
But this person that knowingly
made you feel like
1269
00:51:57,994 --> 00:52:03,166
you... had some hand
in the cause
1270
00:52:03,166 --> 00:52:06,836
of his dour state or whatever,
or his unhappy--
1271
00:52:06,961 --> 00:52:09,005
or-or you had to do something
1272
00:52:09,130 --> 00:52:11,174
to make him happy or whatever,
1273
00:52:11,174 --> 00:52:13,468
that-- [stammers]
That wasn't gonna happen.
1274
00:52:14,844 --> 00:52:19,390
The third season comes along,
and I didn't go back, you know?
1275
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:20,683
Um...
1276
00:52:22,769 --> 00:52:24,729
[chuckles] I wasn't happy.
1277
00:52:26,856 --> 00:52:29,192
[Robin] A large part
of what happened to me
1278
00:52:29,192 --> 00:52:31,235
is that it became toxic.
1279
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,947
We didn't leave that room
except to go on the set,
1280
00:52:34,947 --> 00:52:40,244
which was its own exhausting,
you know, horror.
1281
00:52:40,244 --> 00:52:42,080
You know, just a lot of work,
1282
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,665
just to have to be there
and not really have a role,
1283
00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:46,793
um, that your mind could--
1284
00:52:46,793 --> 00:52:49,087
You know, at the end,
my mind was not on it.
1285
00:52:49,087 --> 00:52:51,005
And he knew that.
And he was mad.
1286
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:54,592
I made a couple of bad mistakes.
I did.
1287
00:52:55,343 --> 00:52:57,220
You know, when he fired me,
1288
00:52:58,638 --> 00:53:00,807
we were in that--
oh, it was so awful.
1289
00:53:00,807 --> 00:53:02,141
And he...
1290
00:53:02,141 --> 00:53:05,353
Everything that David
accused me of, I did.
1291
00:53:05,478 --> 00:53:08,648
I interrupted him during
conversations with other people.
1292
00:53:08,648 --> 00:53:10,733
That was one thing I did.
1293
00:53:11,192 --> 00:53:12,944
I did, like, a few bad things.
1294
00:53:12,944 --> 00:53:14,278
[laughs]
1295
00:53:17,073 --> 00:53:18,366
And that was what--
1296
00:53:18,491 --> 00:53:22,286
that ultimately was what it was
with me and him.
1297
00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:24,580
Because you had to
behave yourself.
1298
00:53:25,915 --> 00:53:28,793
You had to behave.
He's a very coded person.
1299
00:53:28,793 --> 00:53:32,130
He has a code of cool
and behavior
1300
00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:34,590
and what is acceptable
and what is not.
1301
00:53:34,590 --> 00:53:36,926
And I think that I--
that I-- [laughs]
1302
00:53:37,844 --> 00:53:40,263
You know, I probably
1303
00:53:41,055 --> 00:53:43,933
morphed into that
mother category of...
1304
00:53:44,058 --> 00:53:47,395
of, you know, black-holedness
for him, you know.
1305
00:53:47,937 --> 00:53:50,398
In the writers' room,
it's collaborative.
1306
00:53:51,065 --> 00:53:52,400
But it's still your vision.
1307
00:53:52,525 --> 00:53:53,568
Did that cause tension?
1308
00:53:53,693 --> 00:53:55,111
Let's put it this way.
1309
00:53:55,236 --> 00:53:57,447
I used to sometimes get
very angry
1310
00:53:58,573 --> 00:54:00,491
because no one was
coming up with anything.
1311
00:54:00,491 --> 00:54:04,328
And then, since those days,
I've thought,
1312
00:54:04,871 --> 00:54:07,665
"Yeah, maybe that's because
you said no to everything.
1313
00:54:07,665 --> 00:54:08,833
So they stopped."
1314
00:54:10,084 --> 00:54:11,711
This attitude of yours,
1315
00:54:11,711 --> 00:54:14,630
it's a lot of what's made you
an effective leader.
1316
00:54:14,756 --> 00:54:17,258
But we all got flaws, even you.
1317
00:54:18,593 --> 00:54:21,846
Seven deadly sins,
and yours is pride.
1318
00:54:23,723 --> 00:54:24,849
[Steven]
David, look, you know,
1319
00:54:24,849 --> 00:54:26,392
he's very uncompromising,
1320
00:54:26,392 --> 00:54:27,852
but there has to be a
part of you
1321
00:54:27,852 --> 00:54:29,437
that is ruthless and merciless
1322
00:54:29,562 --> 00:54:31,939
when it comes to
protecting the art.
1323
00:54:32,065 --> 00:54:35,026
Uh, I think that's true
with every art form.
1324
00:54:37,153 --> 00:54:38,196
All due respect,
1325
00:54:39,155 --> 00:54:42,116
you got no fucking idea
what it's like to be number one.
1326
00:54:42,617 --> 00:54:44,160
Every decision you make
1327
00:54:44,285 --> 00:54:46,871
affects every facet
of every other fucking thing.
1328
00:54:46,871 --> 00:54:48,623
It's too much to deal with, almost.
1329
00:54:49,457 --> 00:54:50,458
And in the end,
1330
00:54:51,125 --> 00:54:52,543
you're completely alone
with it all.
1331
00:54:54,462 --> 00:54:55,713
[Michael] There was
an enormous
1332
00:54:55,713 --> 00:54:56,923
amount of pressure on him
1333
00:54:56,923 --> 00:54:59,133
because, you know, now you're...
1334
00:55:00,301 --> 00:55:02,553
you got to-- you set the bar
really high
1335
00:55:02,553 --> 00:55:05,473
and you gotta surpass it
every year, you know?
1336
00:55:05,598 --> 00:55:06,641
You got to make it better.
1337
00:55:06,766 --> 00:55:08,684
Not just satisfy the audience,
1338
00:55:08,684 --> 00:55:11,062
but make it better,
more interesting, stranger.
1339
00:55:11,604 --> 00:55:13,398
Think about the risks he took.
1340
00:55:13,398 --> 00:55:17,485
You know, his whimsical nature,
that wonder.
1341
00:55:17,610 --> 00:55:18,986
"And what if we just do this?"
1342
00:55:19,112 --> 00:55:20,405
Think I wanna come home.
1343
00:55:20,405 --> 00:55:22,407
There are some
non-negotiable conditions.
1344
00:55:22,407 --> 00:55:23,699
Like what?
1345
00:55:23,699 --> 00:55:25,410
You can't have
your horse in here.
1346
00:55:25,410 --> 00:55:27,328
- Why not?
- Are you kidding me?
1347
00:55:27,453 --> 00:55:30,081
The smell and shit
all over the place?
1348
00:55:30,081 --> 00:55:31,499
I'll clean up after her.
1349
00:55:31,624 --> 00:55:33,584
- You always say that.
- [horse whinnies]
1350
00:55:33,584 --> 00:55:35,503
[Edie] It really was just
from this guy's
1351
00:55:35,628 --> 00:55:37,422
heart and imagination.
1352
00:55:37,422 --> 00:55:38,923
And we knew if you wanted
1353
00:55:38,923 --> 00:55:41,592
to even change a word
of your dialogue, they're like,
1354
00:55:41,592 --> 00:55:43,511
"We gotta call
the Master Cylinder,"
1355
00:55:43,636 --> 00:55:45,096
which is what we
referred to him as.
1356
00:55:45,096 --> 00:55:46,556
- The Master Cylinder?
- The Master Cylinder
1357
00:55:46,681 --> 00:55:49,058
up in the tower somewhere.
1358
00:55:49,183 --> 00:55:51,686
We'd wait to get the word back,
"He said that's all right"
1359
00:55:51,811 --> 00:55:53,187
or "No, keep it as it is."
1360
00:55:53,312 --> 00:55:57,108
But 'cause it mattered to him
and it was his project.
1361
00:55:57,108 --> 00:56:00,111
You know, we were there
to serve his project.
1362
00:56:00,111 --> 00:56:01,404
[photographer]
Eyes right here.
1363
00:56:01,404 --> 00:56:03,281
[Edie] That's what
we're hired to do.
1364
00:56:04,991 --> 00:56:06,617
- [laughs]
- Just hug me.
1365
00:56:06,617 --> 00:56:08,202
[laughter]
1366
00:56:08,327 --> 00:56:10,204
[camera shutters clicking]
1367
00:56:10,329 --> 00:56:12,123
[Chris] The person who set
the highest standards
1368
00:56:12,123 --> 00:56:14,375
was David,
and it did torment him.
1369
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,377
And he was never satisfied
with the work.
1370
00:56:17,503 --> 00:56:19,422
He was one of those guys
that just...
1371
00:56:21,382 --> 00:56:22,592
"David, enjoy it."
1372
00:56:24,844 --> 00:56:26,220
[Bruce Springsteen]
Come on, buddy.
1373
00:56:26,345 --> 00:56:27,930
David, congrats, man.
1374
00:56:27,930 --> 00:56:29,557
- How are you? Thank you.
- Good.
1375
00:56:29,682 --> 00:56:31,934
- Good to see you.
- Good to see you too.
1376
00:56:32,685 --> 00:56:35,146
[audience cheering]
1377
00:56:36,439 --> 00:56:39,150
[Steven]
Every couple of decades or so,
1378
00:56:39,150 --> 00:56:41,986
somebody comes along
and changes the game.
1379
00:56:43,571 --> 00:56:45,948
The nice thing about
being from New Jersey
1380
00:56:46,074 --> 00:56:48,076
is they never see us coming.
1381
00:56:48,201 --> 00:56:50,995
[audience laughing]
1382
00:56:50,995 --> 00:56:54,123
Uncompromising, unrelenting,
1383
00:56:54,123 --> 00:56:58,252
innovative, idealistic,
romantic to a fault,
1384
00:56:59,087 --> 00:57:02,673
and, yes, a cynical,
self-destructive contrarian.
1385
00:57:03,758 --> 00:57:06,594
In other words, my kind of guy.
1386
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,680
[audience laughing, cheering]
1387
00:57:10,223 --> 00:57:12,642
["Dream" by Roy Orbison playing]
1388
00:57:16,062 --> 00:57:19,107
[applause continues]
1389
00:57:19,732 --> 00:57:21,359
[helicopter whirring]
1390
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:23,945
♪ Dream ♪
1391
00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:27,782
♪ When you're feeling blue ♪
1392
00:57:27,907 --> 00:57:30,535
[distorted]
Change my meat to Black Forest.
1393
00:57:31,452 --> 00:57:33,913
♪ Dream ♪
1394
00:57:33,913 --> 00:57:35,540
[macaroni clinking]
1395
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:37,375
♪ That's the thing to do ♪
1396
00:57:37,375 --> 00:57:39,335
[dog snarls, barks]
1397
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:41,129
[dog growls]
1398
00:57:41,671 --> 00:57:44,757
- ♪ Just ♪
- [dial tone beeping]
1399
00:57:44,757 --> 00:57:49,887
♪ Watch the smoke rings
rise in the air ♪
1400
00:57:49,887 --> 00:57:51,472
[wood creaking]
1401
00:57:52,181 --> 00:57:53,850
♪ You'll find your share... ♪
1402
00:57:53,975 --> 00:57:55,810
Fucking dreams, Jesus Christ.
1403
00:57:55,810 --> 00:57:57,395
[Alex] I wanted to talk
to you about dreams.
1404
00:57:57,395 --> 00:57:59,731
- It's all right.
- [David] Dreams and movies
1405
00:57:59,731 --> 00:58:01,023
are so close,
1406
00:58:01,691 --> 00:58:04,402
that you can go from right here
in this room--
1407
00:58:04,402 --> 00:58:06,821
Bam! To, you know, anywhere.
1408
00:58:06,821 --> 00:58:08,239
[Alex] Right.
Free association.
1409
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:09,323
[David] Yeah.
1410
00:58:09,449 --> 00:58:11,659
["Dream" continues playing]
1411
00:58:11,659 --> 00:58:14,996
♪ Dream ♪
1412
00:58:15,121 --> 00:58:18,207
♪ And they might come true ♪
1413
00:58:19,667 --> 00:58:22,086
[door hinge creaking]
1414
00:58:22,086 --> 00:58:26,466
♪ Things never are ♪
1415
00:58:26,466 --> 00:58:30,803
- [dripping echoes]
- ♪ As bad as they seem ♪
1416
00:58:30,803 --> 00:58:32,722
♪ So dream... ♪
1417
00:58:32,847 --> 00:58:34,682
[crowd clamoring]
1418
00:58:35,058 --> 00:58:36,934
[Big Pussy] Come on, Ton.
Sooner or later,
1419
00:58:36,934 --> 00:58:38,436
you gotta face facts.
1420
00:58:38,436 --> 00:58:40,855
- I don't wanna hear it.
- Well, you're gonna hear it.
1421
00:58:42,815 --> 00:58:44,400
[boardwalk creaking]
1422
00:58:46,652 --> 00:58:49,072
[loud, indistinct station
announcement]
1423
00:58:50,364 --> 00:58:52,533
[David] I had dreams
for a long time
1424
00:58:52,658 --> 00:58:54,410
I had murdered someone.
1425
00:58:55,328 --> 00:58:58,498
[announcement continues]
1426
00:58:58,498 --> 00:59:01,793
And the weight of it got to me
too late in the game.
1427
00:59:02,418 --> 00:59:04,587
And I was saying to myself
in the dream,
1428
00:59:04,712 --> 00:59:06,130
"What did you do that for?
1429
00:59:07,340 --> 00:59:10,093
You've thrown everything away.
You're finished.
1430
00:59:11,010 --> 00:59:12,678
The hell did you do that for?"
1431
00:59:12,678 --> 00:59:13,763
[static crackles]
1432
00:59:13,888 --> 00:59:15,014
[man] And now the news...
1433
00:59:15,014 --> 00:59:16,349
[crowd screaming on radio]
1434
00:59:16,349 --> 00:59:18,226
[gunfire on radio]
1435
00:59:20,186 --> 00:59:22,063
[static warbles]
1436
00:59:22,188 --> 00:59:24,774
[sirens wailing on radio]
1437
00:59:25,608 --> 00:59:27,610
[Gloria] You want to take it
for a test drive?
1438
00:59:27,735 --> 00:59:29,570
[screaming continues]
1439
00:59:30,279 --> 00:59:33,282
[Alex] The fun thing about
dreams in The Sopranos is that
1440
00:59:33,282 --> 00:59:35,618
when you've got a character
who's supposed to be,
1441
00:59:35,618 --> 00:59:37,620
- you know, in control.
- [David] Right.
1442
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:39,831
[Alex] But dreams,
you're never in control.
1443
00:59:39,831 --> 00:59:41,416
[David] No, never.
1444
00:59:41,541 --> 00:59:42,708
[radio static crackles]
1445
00:59:42,708 --> 00:59:44,252
[indistinct chatter]
1446
00:59:53,386 --> 00:59:55,638
[Alex] In the Kevin Finnerty
dream sequence,
1447
00:59:55,763 --> 00:59:57,390
what was Tony trying to get at?
1448
00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:58,766
[Tony] What the hell?
1449
01:00:00,768 --> 01:00:01,978
This isn't my wallet.
1450
01:00:03,438 --> 01:00:04,480
Oh, no.
1451
01:00:04,605 --> 01:00:06,399
He was saying, "Who am I
1452
01:00:06,399 --> 01:00:08,025
and where am I going?"
1453
01:00:09,402 --> 01:00:10,611
And he was terrified.
1454
01:00:12,947 --> 01:00:15,283
[Terence] Tony's fatal flaw
as a mobster
1455
01:00:15,408 --> 01:00:17,118
is that he had a conscience.
1456
01:00:17,243 --> 01:00:19,787
[woman] We're just impressed
to be in the presence of a man
1457
01:00:19,912 --> 01:00:22,039
whose sales team snatched
the brass ring
1458
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:23,875
12 consecutive quarters.
1459
01:00:23,875 --> 01:00:25,793
I mean,
it's not such a big deal.
1460
01:00:26,961 --> 01:00:28,296
There's always a faster gun.
1461
01:00:30,423 --> 01:00:32,508
[Terence] As David even said,
Tony in another life
1462
01:00:32,508 --> 01:00:34,343
would be a guy
who sells lawn furniture
1463
01:00:34,343 --> 01:00:36,054
on the Garden State Parkway.
1464
01:00:36,054 --> 01:00:37,764
And Kevin Finnerty,
1465
01:00:37,764 --> 01:00:39,932
that was the alternate version
of who Tony was.
1466
01:00:39,932 --> 01:00:41,434
I came here because
1467
01:00:41,434 --> 01:00:44,145
I thought you could help me
reach Finnerty.
1468
01:00:45,104 --> 01:00:46,189
Now, I have his wallet.
1469
01:00:46,314 --> 01:00:49,067
I have his briefcase,
but I'm not him.
1470
01:00:49,067 --> 01:00:50,985
One day we will all die,
1471
01:00:51,611 --> 01:00:53,821
and then we'll be the same
as that tree.
1472
01:00:53,946 --> 01:00:55,490
No me, no you.
1473
01:00:56,449 --> 01:00:58,076
[Terence] At his core,
1474
01:00:58,076 --> 01:01:00,244
he understands
right from wrong.
1475
01:01:00,244 --> 01:01:02,455
And again,
you're in the wrong business
1476
01:01:02,455 --> 01:01:04,540
if you're going to be worrying
about stuff like that
1477
01:01:04,540 --> 01:01:06,876
because you're going to be
doing a lot of wrong.
1478
01:01:07,001 --> 01:01:08,669
I had fucked-up dreams
last night.
1479
01:01:09,545 --> 01:01:10,588
Fever dreams.
1480
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,842
I shot this guy.
He's a friend of mine.
1481
01:01:15,385 --> 01:01:17,720
[Terence] So, you know,
it's interesting that Tony,
1482
01:01:17,845 --> 01:01:19,722
he had the outlet in therapy.
1483
01:01:19,847 --> 01:01:21,933
I was... I was filled with...
1484
01:01:21,933 --> 01:01:23,768
- Anger.
- Yeah, right. Anger.
1485
01:01:23,768 --> 01:01:25,019
You know everything.
1486
01:01:25,144 --> 01:01:26,938
[Melfi] You've never
dealt with your anger.
1487
01:01:26,938 --> 01:01:28,147
And look at the cost.
1488
01:01:28,147 --> 01:01:31,025
You are the biggest threat
to yourself.
1489
01:01:31,692 --> 01:01:33,361
But that's what being
a human being is.
1490
01:01:33,486 --> 01:01:34,737
[Melfi's voice]
Some people are more
1491
01:01:34,862 --> 01:01:36,114
self-destructive than others.
1492
01:01:36,114 --> 01:01:37,865
[wood creaking]
1493
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,868
[Sonya] You just wash it down
like a pill.
1494
01:01:41,577 --> 01:01:44,664
[Terence] And then peyote,
you know, later on in the show.
1495
01:01:44,664 --> 01:01:46,207
Which was another way of him
1496
01:01:46,332 --> 01:01:48,543
sort of exploring
the bigger picture.
1497
01:01:50,753 --> 01:01:51,838
I get it.
1498
01:01:51,838 --> 01:01:53,965
[breathing rapidly]
1499
01:01:59,887 --> 01:02:00,972
I get it!
1500
01:02:01,764 --> 01:02:04,475
[echoing] I get it! I get it!
1501
01:02:04,475 --> 01:02:06,602
[indistinct chatter]
1502
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:14,360
[Edie] At the beginning
of every episode,
1503
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,987
we'd all sit around a table
1504
01:02:15,987 --> 01:02:18,114
and read through the script
together.
1505
01:02:18,114 --> 01:02:20,074
But we'd all walk in
kind of like,
1506
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:22,160
"Are you all right?"
Kind of like... [laughs]
1507
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,828
"Is this your last episode?"
1508
01:02:23,828 --> 01:02:26,873
It's like, you never really knew
who was going to be around
1509
01:02:26,873 --> 01:02:29,250
for the next couple of episodes.
It was hysterical.
1510
01:02:29,375 --> 01:02:31,085
And we'd all be like,
"Hey, no, I'm good."
1511
01:02:31,085 --> 01:02:33,755
Phew! [laughs]
We were all scared of it.
1512
01:02:34,422 --> 01:02:36,424
Yeah, the guys were like...
[grumbles]
1513
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:38,176
"Who's gonna get it next?"
1514
01:02:38,885 --> 01:02:42,597
And the ritual was if David
invited you for lunch or dinner,
1515
01:02:43,222 --> 01:02:45,308
you were fucked. [laughs]
1516
01:02:45,308 --> 01:02:48,770
The phone call
from the Master Cylinder.
1517
01:02:49,187 --> 01:02:50,354
[chuckles]
1518
01:02:50,354 --> 01:02:52,648
[Lorraine] But, you know,
he's the boss.
1519
01:02:54,233 --> 01:02:56,235
[Alex] The part of you that
you were seeing in Tony,
1520
01:02:56,235 --> 01:02:58,196
was it the boss part?
The idea that you're--
1521
01:02:58,196 --> 01:03:00,823
Well, I-I thought that...
1522
01:03:00,823 --> 01:03:01,991
[Tony grunting]
1523
01:03:02,116 --> 01:03:03,451
You fucking--
1524
01:03:03,576 --> 01:03:05,703
[David] ...when someone
had to die on the show...
1525
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,414
[Tony yells]
1526
01:03:09,123 --> 01:03:10,625
...I would have to tell
the actor.
1527
01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:12,043
[choking]
1528
01:03:12,043 --> 01:03:14,545
And it was hard for me.
1529
01:03:14,545 --> 01:03:15,963
[breathing shakily]
1530
01:03:16,089 --> 01:03:16,964
Jesus Christ.
1531
01:03:18,299 --> 01:03:20,176
[David] People were really
broken up about it.
1532
01:03:20,301 --> 01:03:21,469
I got to sit down.
1533
01:03:22,637 --> 01:03:24,097
I feel like I can't stand.
1534
01:03:24,097 --> 01:03:25,640
Some would kind of beg, almost.
1535
01:03:25,765 --> 01:03:27,767
- Is that okay, Tony?
- 'Cause it's their job.
1536
01:03:27,767 --> 01:03:28,810
It's their livelihood.
1537
01:03:31,104 --> 01:03:33,064
[Lorraine] Vincent Pastore,
Big Pussy.
1538
01:03:33,064 --> 01:03:34,857
We fought for him.
1539
01:03:34,982 --> 01:03:37,110
"Don't kill him.
Don't kill him, David.
1540
01:03:37,110 --> 01:03:38,903
Give him another season."
1541
01:03:38,903 --> 01:03:40,154
Well, you know what?
1542
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,615
This is a mob show.
1543
01:03:42,615 --> 01:03:43,825
People gotta go.
1544
01:03:44,325 --> 01:03:45,660
Oh, fuck.
1545
01:03:46,494 --> 01:03:47,829
Adriana.
1546
01:03:47,954 --> 01:03:50,331
And I tried to distance
myself with all of it.
1547
01:03:50,456 --> 01:03:51,499
What about her?
1548
01:03:51,624 --> 01:03:53,167
[breathing shakily]
1549
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:54,794
Feds.
1550
01:03:55,503 --> 01:03:57,463
By thinking the way
he was thinking.
1551
01:03:57,463 --> 01:03:58,506
Gotta go.
1552
01:04:02,051 --> 01:04:03,636
Jesus fucking Christ.
1553
01:04:03,636 --> 01:04:05,555
[Terence] Once we made
the decision
1554
01:04:05,555 --> 01:04:08,683
that Adriana was going to start
cooperating with the feds,
1555
01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:10,935
the writing was on the wall.
1556
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,897
At some point, this was not
going to end well for Adriana.
1557
01:04:15,481 --> 01:04:16,941
[Tony] I'm gonna
take care of it.
1558
01:04:17,817 --> 01:04:20,361
[Drea]
David sat me down on set
1559
01:04:20,486 --> 01:04:22,655
and he said, "I'm going to
shoot this two ways.
1560
01:04:22,655 --> 01:04:25,575
I'm going to shoot it
where you get away,
1561
01:04:26,743 --> 01:04:28,911
and I'm going to shoot it
where they kill you,
1562
01:04:29,662 --> 01:04:32,540
and no one's going to know
how it ends until it airs.
1563
01:04:33,332 --> 01:04:36,210
Because we have confidentiality
issues on the set,
1564
01:04:37,003 --> 01:04:39,088
nobody can know
what's really going on."
1565
01:04:39,213 --> 01:04:41,049
And I said,
"But I'm going to be dead.
1566
01:04:41,883 --> 01:04:43,384
And I'm not going to be on
the show anymore."
1567
01:04:43,509 --> 01:04:44,927
And he was like...
1568
01:04:46,721 --> 01:04:47,805
And I took another job
1569
01:04:48,514 --> 01:04:50,725
because I didn't know,
and I was scared,
1570
01:04:51,184 --> 01:04:54,479
and he was fucking pissed.
[laughs]
1571
01:04:54,479 --> 01:04:56,230
Because now
that's gonna get out.
1572
01:04:57,231 --> 01:05:00,526
But I had to take that job.
I thought I'd never work again.
1573
01:05:00,526 --> 01:05:04,238
I knew that playing Adriana
for five seasons
1574
01:05:04,363 --> 01:05:06,032
- and being known for that...
- [phone rings]
1575
01:05:06,032 --> 01:05:07,784
...that that was gonna be
my life.
1576
01:05:07,784 --> 01:05:10,036
I knew I was going to be
stereotyped forever.
1577
01:05:10,036 --> 01:05:11,537
So I was like,
I better just
1578
01:05:11,537 --> 01:05:13,289
take advantage
of this right now.
1579
01:05:14,916 --> 01:05:16,667
- Hello?
- [Tony] Yeah. It's me.
1580
01:05:16,667 --> 01:05:19,253
Jesus, I don't even know
how to say this.
1581
01:05:20,963 --> 01:05:24,008
It's Christopher.
He tried to commit suicide.
1582
01:05:24,008 --> 01:05:25,593
Oh my God, is he all right?
1583
01:05:25,718 --> 01:05:26,886
He's fine.
1584
01:05:26,886 --> 01:05:28,596
He was up by Ramapo.
1585
01:05:28,721 --> 01:05:30,098
Apparently, he took some pills,
1586
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,934
and this trooper found him
in a bathroom at this diner,
1587
01:05:33,059 --> 01:05:34,936
and they brought him
to the hospital.
1588
01:05:36,437 --> 01:05:38,439
Anyway, I'm on my way
up there now
1589
01:05:38,564 --> 01:05:41,401
and I'm gonna send Sil by
to pick you up then, okay?
1590
01:05:41,401 --> 01:05:42,777
Jesus Christ.
1591
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:45,655
[huffs]
1592
01:05:45,655 --> 01:05:47,949
As sad as I was to go
in the end,
1593
01:05:48,074 --> 01:05:48,866
I was ready.
1594
01:05:48,866 --> 01:05:50,618
I knew that that was...
1595
01:05:51,077 --> 01:05:52,870
that that's how it needed to be.
1596
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:54,664
[David] It was very difficult
because
1597
01:05:54,664 --> 01:05:56,290
it's the characters
and the actors.
1598
01:05:56,416 --> 01:05:58,042
It wasn't only Adriana.
1599
01:05:58,042 --> 01:06:00,628
It was Drea de Matteo.
1600
01:06:00,753 --> 01:06:03,798
[Drea] David did not want
to see her get shot
1601
01:06:03,923 --> 01:06:05,299
because he loved her.
1602
01:06:06,968 --> 01:06:09,303
Why are you crying?
He's gonna be fine.
1603
01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:13,683
[David] I couldn't bear to see
Adriana get shot.
1604
01:06:14,183 --> 01:06:15,893
I couldn't have watched that.
1605
01:06:16,436 --> 01:06:19,355
So we broke the style
of the show.
1606
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,108
Any other victim on that show,
you saw him get hit.
1607
01:06:22,108 --> 01:06:24,235
[birds singing]
1608
01:06:25,570 --> 01:06:27,321
[Alik] We started
talking about it like,
1609
01:06:27,447 --> 01:06:28,823
how should we do this?
1610
01:06:28,948 --> 01:06:31,826
If it's not going to happen
on camera naturally,
1611
01:06:31,951 --> 01:06:34,036
then we have to find
a poetic transition.
1612
01:06:36,372 --> 01:06:39,250
She's not wild and begging,
so I think she's more--
1613
01:06:39,250 --> 01:06:41,377
- [Alik] We're rolling, guys.
- This, you know?
1614
01:06:42,962 --> 01:06:45,298
- [gear shift clunks]
- [director] Action!
1615
01:06:45,423 --> 01:06:47,216
[Steven] That was,
by far, the hardest scene
1616
01:06:47,216 --> 01:06:48,384
that I've ever played.
1617
01:06:48,509 --> 01:06:50,178
And of course, she's so great,
1618
01:06:50,303 --> 01:06:53,431
she was like, uh,
"Don't take it easy on me.
1619
01:06:53,973 --> 01:06:54,849
You know?
1620
01:06:55,725 --> 01:06:58,853
It's obviously gonna be
my last scene, you know?"
1621
01:06:58,978 --> 01:07:01,230
[chuckles]
"Let's make it good, right?"
1622
01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:03,983
I was like,
"Stevie, we gotta fucking go!
1623
01:07:03,983 --> 01:07:06,235
I'm a cunt.
You're a mafioso.
1624
01:07:06,235 --> 01:07:08,863
Grab me by my hair
and let's fucking go."
1625
01:07:08,988 --> 01:07:10,573
[car dashboard beeping]
1626
01:07:10,698 --> 01:07:11,699
[softly] Oh, no.
1627
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,369
Oh, no. No...
1628
01:07:16,287 --> 01:07:17,872
[Adriana whimpering]
1629
01:07:17,997 --> 01:07:19,957
- [Silvio] Come on. Come on!
- No! No! Please!
1630
01:07:19,957 --> 01:07:21,959
Where you fucking going?
1631
01:07:21,959 --> 01:07:23,211
Come on! Come on!
1632
01:07:23,336 --> 01:07:25,338
- No! Please!
- Fucking cunt!
1633
01:07:25,338 --> 01:07:26,881
No!
1634
01:07:27,590 --> 01:07:31,427
No! No! No! No!
1635
01:07:31,552 --> 01:07:32,595
[gun cocks]
1636
01:07:33,554 --> 01:07:34,555
[gunshots]
1637
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,349
[Terence] When I wrote
the scene,
1638
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:40,269
it is scripted that the camera
just drifts into the sky.
1639
01:07:40,269 --> 01:07:42,271
And it was going to connect to
the camera drifting down
1640
01:07:42,271 --> 01:07:45,191
to find Tony and Carmela
in another scene.
1641
01:07:45,858 --> 01:07:48,319
[David] On purpose,
the last scene of that show,
1642
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:50,947
Tony and Carmela
are in the woods,
1643
01:07:50,947 --> 01:07:53,408
and she's talking about buying
this piece of property.
1644
01:07:54,283 --> 01:07:56,244
[Tony] Yeah, it's a gorgeous
piece of land.
1645
01:07:57,078 --> 01:07:58,246
[Carmela] And with this view?
1646
01:07:59,372 --> 01:08:01,082
Well worth 600,000.
1647
01:08:02,250 --> 01:08:04,669
The surveyor's
coming on Tuesday.
1648
01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:08,339
[David] And he's, like,
thinking only about Adriana.
1649
01:08:10,717 --> 01:08:12,301
Some of these things
get me choked up
1650
01:08:12,301 --> 01:08:14,637
when I think about
that character
1651
01:08:14,637 --> 01:08:16,097
getting it like that.
1652
01:08:17,223 --> 01:08:20,017
And it was also the end
of Drea de Matteo.
1653
01:08:20,017 --> 01:08:21,686
We wouldn't have Drea anymore.
1654
01:08:22,770 --> 01:08:25,148
- You all right?
- Yeah. Yeah, me? Yeah.
1655
01:08:26,232 --> 01:08:27,275
Absolutely.
1656
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,402
[birds singing]
1657
01:08:34,323 --> 01:08:37,118
[birdsong continues]
1658
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:49,130
[Alex] At what point
did you start thinking
1659
01:08:49,255 --> 01:08:50,590
about ending the show?
1660
01:08:51,257 --> 01:08:52,675
[David] There were
seven seasons,
1661
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,011
but they called it 6A and 6B,
1662
01:08:55,136 --> 01:08:58,347
which is how HBO got out of
giving the actors raises.
1663
01:08:59,974 --> 01:09:02,685
Um, if they had called it
season seven,
1664
01:09:02,685 --> 01:09:05,188
they would've been contractually
entitled to a raise.
1665
01:09:05,188 --> 01:09:06,481
[director] Cut.
1666
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:10,193
[David] Two years before that,
Chris Albrecht said to me,
1667
01:09:10,193 --> 01:09:12,361
"You know, you better
start thinking about
1668
01:09:12,361 --> 01:09:13,654
how you want to end this show."
1669
01:09:14,363 --> 01:09:17,450
And I had never thought
about it. Because ending?
1670
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:19,368
When you cancel the show.
I don't know.
1671
01:09:19,368 --> 01:09:21,662
That's what happens to
all television shows, isn't it?
1672
01:09:21,788 --> 01:09:23,164
They finally get canceled.
1673
01:09:24,207 --> 01:09:26,000
But this was a different thing.
1674
01:09:27,460 --> 01:09:28,961
[Alex] You directed
the first episode,
1675
01:09:28,961 --> 01:09:30,755
and then you didn't direct
any others
1676
01:09:30,755 --> 01:09:32,715
while you were writing
and producing.
1677
01:09:32,715 --> 01:09:35,676
But then you came back
and directed the last episode.
1678
01:09:35,802 --> 01:09:38,262
[David] Yeah.
With Alik, same DP.
1679
01:09:40,181 --> 01:09:41,724
[Alik]
By then, we've both evolved.
1680
01:09:41,849 --> 01:09:43,393
I mean, ten years has passed.
1681
01:09:43,393 --> 01:09:44,769
- [Alex] Long time.
- Yeah.
1682
01:09:45,311 --> 01:09:47,647
So I think what we did
is in the last episode,
1683
01:09:48,231 --> 01:09:50,191
we talked a lot about 2001,
1684
01:09:51,025 --> 01:09:53,694
about point of view
that gets interrupted
1685
01:09:53,820 --> 01:09:56,072
by the character entering
into the point of view.
1686
01:09:56,197 --> 01:09:58,157
[heavy breathing]
1687
01:09:58,157 --> 01:10:00,368
[David] The astronaut
begins to see himself.
1688
01:10:00,493 --> 01:10:04,205
[eerie, dissonant music
playing]
1689
01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:05,540
Got the space suit on.
1690
01:10:06,374 --> 01:10:08,710
And he comes into himself
in a mirror.
1691
01:10:10,253 --> 01:10:11,754
[music fades]
1692
01:10:11,754 --> 01:10:14,757
And he turns and there he is
without the space suit on.
1693
01:10:16,384 --> 01:10:17,927
And then finally,
he's eating dinner,
1694
01:10:18,052 --> 01:10:21,055
just all by himself
and getting older.
1695
01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:22,598
[raspy breathing]
1696
01:10:22,598 --> 01:10:25,184
He looks behind
and he sees himself in the bed
1697
01:10:25,184 --> 01:10:26,561
as an old man.
1698
01:10:26,686 --> 01:10:29,731
[strained breathing]
1699
01:10:30,773 --> 01:10:32,233
This simple technique,
1700
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:35,361
it's always mesmerized me, that.
1701
01:10:35,862 --> 01:10:38,614
- [wind howling]
- And for that episode,
1702
01:10:38,614 --> 01:10:41,951
Tony, all the way through,
everyone he goes to see,
1703
01:10:42,076 --> 01:10:43,578
he walks into his own POV.
1704
01:10:44,912 --> 01:10:47,415
[tense, ominous music playing]
1705
01:10:50,877 --> 01:10:51,836
[sighs]
1706
01:10:53,921 --> 01:10:55,798
[David]
It made me think of time
1707
01:10:57,592 --> 01:10:59,635
and, I guess,
approaching death.
1708
01:11:00,136 --> 01:11:01,721
[man] Sir.
1709
01:11:01,721 --> 01:11:02,889
Sir, excuse me.
1710
01:11:03,431 --> 01:11:04,640
[chains rattling]
1711
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,476
[David]
Or approaching something.
1712
01:11:07,727 --> 01:11:09,604
There's something
mystical about it.
1713
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:14,942
[door bell jingles]
1714
01:11:16,611 --> 01:11:19,530
["All That You Dream"
by Little Feat playing]
1715
01:11:19,530 --> 01:11:20,865
[door closes]
1716
01:11:24,494 --> 01:11:26,245
[David] For the last scene,
the first idea
1717
01:11:26,245 --> 01:11:27,789
that I carried
for a long time
1718
01:11:28,831 --> 01:11:31,667
was that Tony was going to
go back into Manhattan,
1719
01:11:31,667 --> 01:11:35,129
through the Lincoln Tunnel
for a meeting,
1720
01:11:35,254 --> 01:11:37,423
and that he was going to meet
his demise there.
1721
01:11:37,965 --> 01:11:40,009
I didn't know that he was
going to meet his demise,
1722
01:11:40,134 --> 01:11:41,260
but it didn't look good.
1723
01:11:41,260 --> 01:11:42,970
I guess that's what
was gonna happen.
1724
01:11:43,846 --> 01:11:45,681
If you were in the audience,
you'd think,
1725
01:11:46,182 --> 01:11:48,559
"I don't think this is going to
work out well for him."
1726
01:11:48,559 --> 01:11:50,103
But you would never know.
1727
01:11:51,187 --> 01:11:54,273
And then I was driving down
Ocean Boulevard here,
1728
01:11:54,273 --> 01:11:56,025
and I saw this diner,
and I thought,
1729
01:11:56,150 --> 01:11:57,485
"Maybe the ending
should take place
1730
01:11:57,610 --> 01:11:59,862
in a place they go to eat
all the time."
1731
01:11:59,987 --> 01:12:01,656
- [man 1] Quiet, please.
- [man 2] Quiet.
1732
01:12:01,781 --> 01:12:04,325
["All That You Dream"
continues playing]
1733
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:07,787
[indistinct chatter]
1734
01:12:07,787 --> 01:12:09,831
[sizzling]
1735
01:12:12,166 --> 01:12:13,084
[door bell jingles]
1736
01:12:13,084 --> 01:12:14,752
[car horn honks]
1737
01:12:15,628 --> 01:12:17,463
[David] And when I said,
"So, I'm thinking about
1738
01:12:17,463 --> 01:12:19,215
'Don't Stop Believing,'"
everybody went,
1739
01:12:19,340 --> 01:12:21,300
"Oh, fuck!
Are you fucking kidding?
1740
01:12:21,968 --> 01:12:24,846
The last of the whole
goddamn series?"
1741
01:12:28,975 --> 01:12:30,309
[door bell jingles]
1742
01:12:30,309 --> 01:12:32,895
["Don't Stop Believin'"
by Journey playing]
1743
01:12:33,646 --> 01:12:35,440
[David] Everybody was
up in arms.
1744
01:12:35,982 --> 01:12:38,526
And I said, "Well, you just
decided it for me."
1745
01:12:39,318 --> 01:12:41,028
♪ Just a small town girl ♪
1746
01:12:42,029 --> 01:12:43,614
- Hey.
- Hey.
1747
01:12:43,614 --> 01:12:45,867
♪ Livin' in a lonely world ♪
1748
01:12:45,992 --> 01:12:47,952
[David] But it wasn't
just to be contrary.
1749
01:12:47,952 --> 01:12:52,874
♪ She took the midnight train
goin' anywhere ♪
1750
01:12:55,752 --> 01:12:57,670
♪ Just a city boy... ♪
1751
01:13:00,214 --> 01:13:01,674
What looks good tonight?
1752
01:13:01,674 --> 01:13:03,426
[murmurs] I don't know.
1753
01:13:03,426 --> 01:13:05,261
[David] The more I was
working with it,
1754
01:13:05,386 --> 01:13:08,306
I started to hear
one of the lyrics in that song:
1755
01:13:08,306 --> 01:13:09,682
"The movie never ends.
1756
01:13:09,682 --> 01:13:11,517
It goes on and on
and on and on."
1757
01:13:11,517 --> 01:13:13,895
- I thought, "Wow."
- [bell jingles]
1758
01:13:13,895 --> 01:13:17,315
♪ Strangers waiting ♪
1759
01:13:18,733 --> 01:13:20,401
♪ Up and down
the boulevard... ♪
1760
01:13:20,401 --> 01:13:22,737
[Alex] The whole episode,
there's a circularity.
1761
01:13:22,862 --> 01:13:25,364
It feels like you're returning
to episode one.
1762
01:13:25,364 --> 01:13:27,158
- [Meadow screams]
- [Carmela] Get back.
1763
01:13:27,158 --> 01:13:29,077
- [Alex] The exploding Weber.
- [booming]
1764
01:13:30,036 --> 01:13:30,870
The exploding car.
1765
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:32,497
If you don't like that ramp,
1766
01:13:32,497 --> 01:13:34,457
I'll build you another one.
Maybe it's the wood.
1767
01:13:34,457 --> 01:13:36,334
[Alex] I was struck by
the circularity.
1768
01:13:36,334 --> 01:13:38,252
Like the first episode,
last episode.
1769
01:13:38,378 --> 01:13:40,129
[Tony] Hey, kids! Come here.
1770
01:13:40,129 --> 01:13:43,132
[Alex] There's a vibe of,
kind of, the patterns of life
1771
01:13:43,132 --> 01:13:45,176
that you keep seeing happening
1772
01:13:45,176 --> 01:13:46,552
over and over and over again.
1773
01:13:46,552 --> 01:13:48,262
You know, sometimes...
1774
01:13:49,639 --> 01:13:50,890
life is good.
1775
01:13:50,890 --> 01:13:52,433
Life is often good.
1776
01:13:53,184 --> 01:13:56,104
♪ Working hard to get my fill ♪
1777
01:13:57,063 --> 01:14:00,775
- [laughter]
- ♪ Everybody wants a thrill ♪
1778
01:14:00,775 --> 01:14:02,276
[Alex] And also
the diner scene,
1779
01:14:02,402 --> 01:14:04,362
a lot of the conversation
is "remember when."
1780
01:14:04,362 --> 01:14:06,447
[chuckles] Right. Yeah. Yeah.
1781
01:14:06,572 --> 01:14:07,657
To my family.
1782
01:14:08,241 --> 01:14:09,659
[David] In the first season,
Tony had said...
1783
01:14:09,784 --> 01:14:11,619
You remember the little moments
1784
01:14:13,079 --> 01:14:13,955
like this.
1785
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,374
[thunder rumbling]
1786
01:14:17,250 --> 01:14:18,376
[sighs softly]
1787
01:14:19,085 --> 01:14:20,461
That were good.
1788
01:14:21,337 --> 01:14:22,880
So buck up.
1789
01:14:23,423 --> 01:14:25,216
[David] And A.J. brings that
back up to him.
1790
01:14:25,216 --> 01:14:26,384
Focus on the good times.
1791
01:14:26,384 --> 01:14:27,885
Don't be sarcastic.
1792
01:14:28,511 --> 01:14:29,804
Isn't that what you said
one time?
1793
01:14:29,929 --> 01:14:31,973
Try to remember the times
that were good?
1794
01:14:32,098 --> 01:14:34,767
- I did?
- Yeah.
1795
01:14:34,767 --> 01:14:36,811
♪ Up and down
the boulevard... ♪
1796
01:14:36,936 --> 01:14:38,354
Well, it's true, I guess.
1797
01:14:40,273 --> 01:14:43,568
That scene, it builds on itself
like a pyramid structure
1798
01:14:43,568 --> 01:14:45,695
where we just build, build,
build, build, build.
1799
01:14:46,612 --> 01:14:48,614
[David] What you're watching
is a lot of shit going on.
1800
01:14:48,614 --> 01:14:50,283
She's trying to park her car.
1801
01:14:50,283 --> 01:14:51,659
There are a lot of people,
characters,
1802
01:14:51,784 --> 01:14:53,995
the guy in
the Members Only jacket.
1803
01:14:54,120 --> 01:15:00,084
♪ Hiding somewhere
in the night ♪
1804
01:15:00,793 --> 01:15:04,213
[David] Other possible threats
are walking in.
1805
01:15:10,011 --> 01:15:12,388
There's tension building
in that diner scene.
1806
01:15:12,388 --> 01:15:13,890
We're expecting something.
1807
01:15:13,890 --> 01:15:16,350
["Don't Stop Believin'"
continues playing]
1808
01:15:16,476 --> 01:15:18,186
I went ahead and ordered
some for the table.
1809
01:15:18,311 --> 01:15:21,189
♪ Don't stop believin' ♪
1810
01:15:23,316 --> 01:15:25,985
♪ Hold on to the feelin' ♪
1811
01:15:25,985 --> 01:15:27,862
♪ Streetlights ♪
1812
01:15:27,987 --> 01:15:33,618
♪ People, oh ♪
1813
01:15:33,618 --> 01:15:34,994
- [bell jingles]
- ♪ Don't stop-- ♪
1814
01:15:34,994 --> 01:15:36,204
[music halts]
1815
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,459
[Michael]
And then it goes to black.
1816
01:15:41,459 --> 01:15:43,461
It was so sudden and strange.
1817
01:15:44,045 --> 01:15:46,297
Really took everybody
by surprise.
1818
01:15:46,881 --> 01:15:49,217
[Drea] I started calling
everybody and I'm like,
1819
01:15:49,342 --> 01:15:51,219
"Yo, did my TV just go out?"
1820
01:15:52,011 --> 01:15:55,098
I was with Jim and Jim said,
"That's it?"
1821
01:15:55,098 --> 01:15:56,432
[Alex chuckles]
1822
01:15:56,557 --> 01:15:58,768
"That's it?" He was--
He couldn't believe it.
1823
01:15:58,893 --> 01:16:00,603
- [Alex] So Jim didn't know?
- Nope.
1824
01:16:02,563 --> 01:16:03,731
[Alex] Was he pissed?
1825
01:16:04,273 --> 01:16:07,402
I think he was in shock
like everybody else.
1826
01:16:07,527 --> 01:16:08,611
It was just like...
1827
01:16:10,113 --> 01:16:11,072
that's it.
1828
01:16:12,073 --> 01:16:13,908
That's the end of the story.
1829
01:16:14,617 --> 01:16:16,828
And I'm thinking to myself,
"This is David.
1830
01:16:17,412 --> 01:16:18,621
This is fucking David.
1831
01:16:18,621 --> 01:16:21,582
This is exactly how he wanted
to end the show.
1832
01:16:22,458 --> 01:16:24,085
He doesn't want anyone
1833
01:16:24,210 --> 01:16:25,795
to know what's going on
right now."
1834
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,255
[mellow, uneasy music playing]
1835
01:16:28,381 --> 01:16:30,508
[David] I think what
I was thinking about was
1836
01:16:31,259 --> 01:16:32,844
the universe goes on and on.
1837
01:16:35,304 --> 01:16:36,556
You may not go on and on,
1838
01:16:36,556 --> 01:16:38,766
but the universe is
going to go on and on.
1839
01:16:40,810 --> 01:16:42,437
The movie is going to
keep going.
1840
01:16:46,274 --> 01:16:49,360
[Alik] There is a resolution
of irresolution, right?
1841
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,446
Which opens up
a very interesting
1842
01:16:51,571 --> 01:16:53,740
poetic point of open ending.
1843
01:16:53,740 --> 01:16:56,325
Uh, countless people
have said to me,
1844
01:16:57,618 --> 01:16:58,995
"All right, I know you know.
1845
01:16:59,829 --> 01:17:01,706
What really happened?"
1846
01:17:02,123 --> 01:17:03,791
Vanity Fair did an article
1847
01:17:03,916 --> 01:17:06,544
like ten years after Sopranos,
you know...
1848
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,548
And they came to me
and they said, you know,
1849
01:17:10,548 --> 01:17:13,009
"What's the ending?
What was the real ending?"
1850
01:17:13,009 --> 01:17:14,343
You know? [chuckles]
1851
01:17:14,343 --> 01:17:16,929
I said, "Okay, all right,
once and for all,
1852
01:17:16,929 --> 01:17:18,806
what happened
at the end was,
1853
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,810
the director yelled cut
and the actors went home."
1854
01:17:23,936 --> 01:17:25,980
What could it have been?
Tony getting killed?
1855
01:17:26,105 --> 01:17:27,356
The family getting wiped out?
1856
01:17:27,356 --> 01:17:29,233
And then everyone goes, "Yeah."
1857
01:17:29,233 --> 01:17:31,694
You know, big resolution
and impact means nothing
1858
01:17:31,819 --> 01:17:34,113
because 20 minutes later
you forget the whole show.
1859
01:17:34,113 --> 01:17:36,741
But if you build
philosophical end,
1860
01:17:37,617 --> 01:17:40,203
open end,
which is what it has become,
1861
01:17:40,828 --> 01:17:43,498
the show's gonna live forever.
Nobody's going to figure it out.
1862
01:17:43,623 --> 01:17:45,666
The ending is whatever
you want it to be.
1863
01:17:47,835 --> 01:17:48,795
He died an old man...
1864
01:17:48,795 --> 01:17:50,088
Somebody came out
of the bathroom
1865
01:17:50,088 --> 01:17:51,422
and shot him in the head...
1866
01:17:51,422 --> 01:17:53,549
[Drea] Everyone stands around
the water cooler
1867
01:17:53,674 --> 01:17:56,010
one last time and just says,
1868
01:17:56,010 --> 01:17:59,347
"I can't fucking believe what
I just watched." [chuckles]
1869
01:18:00,515 --> 01:18:02,433
"What happened?
What happened?"
1870
01:18:02,433 --> 01:18:04,185
What do you have left with?
1871
01:18:05,311 --> 01:18:07,605
You have left with
something to resolve.
1872
01:18:08,648 --> 01:18:10,691
Okay. And how are you
going to resolve it?
1873
01:18:10,817 --> 01:18:12,527
By watching the show again.
1874
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:15,363
[indistinct chatter]
1875
01:18:16,114 --> 01:18:17,865
[music fades]
1876
01:18:19,826 --> 01:18:21,327
[Alex] When you were done,
were you done?
1877
01:18:21,327 --> 01:18:23,871
Had you made peace with that?
Were you sad? Were you...
1878
01:18:24,872 --> 01:18:26,082
Wanted to do something else?
1879
01:18:26,082 --> 01:18:27,542
I wanted to...
1880
01:18:28,584 --> 01:18:31,671
I wanted to get down to what
I had always wanted to do,
1881
01:18:31,671 --> 01:18:34,465
which was make a fucking movie.
1882
01:18:34,465 --> 01:18:35,883
[chuckles softly]
1883
01:18:37,176 --> 01:18:39,387
And, um...
1884
01:18:39,512 --> 01:18:42,014
I-- It's for sure I had done
enough Sopranos,
1885
01:18:42,014 --> 01:18:44,684
but it was over.
It just felt right.
1886
01:18:44,684 --> 01:18:46,060
It was over.
1887
01:18:47,061 --> 01:18:49,647
All right, guys, here we go.
Here, all here.
1888
01:18:49,647 --> 01:18:52,024
[lively chatter, cheering]
1889
01:18:52,024 --> 01:18:54,485
[all exclaiming, laughing]
1890
01:18:54,485 --> 01:18:57,780
[David] As time went on,
I missed the people.
1891
01:18:57,780 --> 01:18:59,115
[shutter clicks]
1892
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,700
It really was like a family.
1893
01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:02,827
[faint cheering]
1894
01:19:02,827 --> 01:19:04,829
And I missed
the problem-solving.
1895
01:19:05,913 --> 01:19:08,416
There's writing,
and then there's, like,
1896
01:19:08,541 --> 01:19:10,251
what color hat
should he have on?
1897
01:19:10,877 --> 01:19:12,170
A red hat.
1898
01:19:12,170 --> 01:19:13,546
Well, he can't have a red hat
1899
01:19:13,546 --> 01:19:15,131
because she's got a red hat.
1900
01:19:15,131 --> 01:19:17,717
We can't shoot there because
we can see the Shell sign.
1901
01:19:17,717 --> 01:19:19,761
Or during the editing process.
1902
01:19:20,261 --> 01:19:23,431
Well, why black?
Why-Why cut to black?
1903
01:19:23,556 --> 01:19:25,224
[loud death metal plays,
then stops]
1904
01:19:25,224 --> 01:19:27,977
[David] There was that scene
between Meadow and A.J.
1905
01:19:28,102 --> 01:19:30,730
"Stopping by Woods
on a Snowy Evening."
1906
01:19:30,730 --> 01:19:33,566
Oh my God, I'm so glad I'm not
in high school anymore.
1907
01:19:33,566 --> 01:19:35,276
- You read this?
- This is a long time back.
1908
01:19:35,401 --> 01:19:37,487
- He was doing his homework.
- What does it mean?
1909
01:19:37,487 --> 01:19:39,781
I have to turn in a close read
by tomorrow.
1910
01:19:39,906 --> 01:19:40,948
What does it mean?
1911
01:19:41,074 --> 01:19:43,034
"The woods are lovely,
dark and deep.
1912
01:19:43,034 --> 01:19:46,829
But I have promises to keep,
and miles to go before I sleep"?
1913
01:19:46,829 --> 01:19:49,082
"Woods on a Snowy Evening,"
I think is the name of the poem.
1914
01:19:49,082 --> 01:19:51,125
- [Alex] The Robert Frost?
- Robert Frost poem.
1915
01:19:51,834 --> 01:19:53,378
And she says...
1916
01:19:53,378 --> 01:19:54,837
What's covering the field?
1917
01:19:54,962 --> 01:19:56,464
- Snow.
- Yay!
1918
01:19:57,131 --> 01:19:58,674
And what does snow symbolize?
1919
01:19:59,133 --> 01:19:59,967
Christmas?
1920
01:20:00,093 --> 01:20:01,219
Hello.
1921
01:20:01,928 --> 01:20:02,845
Cold?
1922
01:20:03,513 --> 01:20:06,349
Endless white, endless nothing?
1923
01:20:06,349 --> 01:20:07,975
- I don't know!
- Death.
1924
01:20:08,101 --> 01:20:09,394
I thought black was death.
1925
01:20:09,394 --> 01:20:11,062
"I thought black meant death."
1926
01:20:11,062 --> 01:20:12,480
[chuckles]
1927
01:20:12,605 --> 01:20:14,190
So that was in my head also.
1928
01:20:14,774 --> 01:20:18,820
But, see, now people will say,
"See, he admitted Tony died."
1929
01:20:19,654 --> 01:20:20,655
The truth is--
1930
01:20:30,665 --> 01:20:32,708
["Death Letter" by Son House
playing]
1931
01:20:35,002 --> 01:20:37,630
♪ I got a letter this mornin' ♪
1932
01:20:37,630 --> 01:20:40,216
♪ How do you
reckon it read? ♪
1933
01:20:41,259 --> 01:20:42,510
♪ It said, "Hurry, hurry" ♪
1934
01:20:42,635 --> 01:20:45,346
♪ "The gal you love is dead" ♪
1935
01:20:46,013 --> 01:20:48,266
♪ I got a letter this mornin' ♪
1936
01:20:48,266 --> 01:20:51,102
♪ I say how do you
reckon it read? ♪
1937
01:20:54,605 --> 01:20:57,191
♪ It said, "Hurry, hurry" ♪
1938
01:20:57,859 --> 01:21:00,737
♪ "'Cause that gal you love
is dead" ♪
1939
01:21:03,531 --> 01:21:06,868
♪ You know, I grabbed up
my suitcase ♪
1940
01:21:06,993 --> 01:21:08,953
♪ Took off down the road ♪
1941
01:21:09,537 --> 01:21:11,372
♪ When I got there ♪
1942
01:21:11,497 --> 01:21:13,875
♪ She's layin' on
a coolin' board ♪
1943
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,294
♪ I grabbed up my suitcase ♪
1944
01:21:16,294 --> 01:21:18,921
♪ I said, I took off
down the road ♪
1945
01:21:22,133 --> 01:21:24,886
♪ I said, when I got there ♪
1946
01:21:25,803 --> 01:21:28,389
♪ She's layin' on
a coolin' board ♪
1947
01:21:31,225 --> 01:21:33,811
♪ You know,
I walked up close ♪
1948
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,773
♪ Looked down in her face... ♪
1949
01:21:36,898 --> 01:21:38,816
[song fades]