1 00:00:29,195 --> 00:00:32,531 Oh, my gosh. Fucking idiot. 2 00:00:32,615 --> 00:00:33,616 Hello? 3 00:00:35,076 --> 00:00:36,244 Hello? 4 00:00:38,705 --> 00:00:39,831 Hello? 5 00:00:45,754 --> 00:00:50,925 I’m getting them big. Well, I’m really conscientious about that. 6 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:53,136 I won’t go too big 'cause I don’t want to look fake. 7 00:00:53,219 --> 00:00:55,055 I just want 'em where they’re... 8 00:00:56,806 --> 00:00:58,641 what you call kissable, I guess. 9 00:00:58,725 --> 00:01:02,187 I don’t know what you want to call it, but I want 'em peaked up though, 10 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:04,147 'cause they look a lot better if you do. 11 00:01:15,492 --> 00:01:18,203 But I’ve become talented over the years and can do a lot, 12 00:01:18,286 --> 00:01:20,163 but they don’t think you can. 13 00:01:23,792 --> 00:01:27,045 Welcome back, guys. 2:46, happy Thursday. 14 00:01:27,128 --> 00:01:30,090 We’ve been talking about this really interesting case 15 00:01:30,173 --> 00:01:32,884 with the chimpanzees, and PETA, and sheriffs. 16 00:01:32,967 --> 00:01:35,970 What happened to celebrity chimp Tonka? 17 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:37,514 PETA seized the chimps 18 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:40,308 with U.S. Marshal oversight, but one was missing, 19 00:01:40,392 --> 00:01:42,143 a chimp named Tonka. 20 00:01:42,227 --> 00:01:44,771 The animal rights group PETA did not believe it. 21 00:01:44,854 --> 00:01:46,648 Missouri woman was accused of lying. 22 00:01:46,731 --> 00:01:49,192 Now, we have tried to reach Haddix all day, 23 00:01:49,275 --> 00:01:50,819 just before our 5 o’clock show... 24 00:01:53,405 --> 00:01:54,948 Hear that phone going off? 25 00:01:55,031 --> 00:01:58,868 That’s life every day. That gets ridiculous. 26 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:01,621 -Ready? -As much as I can be. 27 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:04,624 Okay. 28 00:02:05,875 --> 00:02:06,960 Poke. 29 00:02:10,714 --> 00:02:11,881 It’s crazy. 30 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:14,718 To me, it’s like a "Where's Waldo?" 31 00:02:14,801 --> 00:02:17,345 And that’s what I call this saga, "Where’s Waldo?" 32 00:02:23,852 --> 00:02:27,147 There are some people that were saying that I had Tonka hidden out. 33 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:29,858 Okay, where am I gonna hide a big chimpanzee? 34 00:02:30,775 --> 00:02:33,069 Some of the monkey people kind of found humor in it, 35 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:35,071 saying that he’s in a drawer someplace in my trailer. 36 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:36,698 He’s, you know, whatever, whatever. 37 00:02:43,204 --> 00:02:46,875 PETA thinks that I’m hiding a chimpanzee away. 38 00:02:46,958 --> 00:02:50,712 I’m the monkey mogul that’s hiding a chimpanzee, 39 00:02:50,795 --> 00:02:52,839 a famous chimpanzee away. 40 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:54,966 It’s pretty hard to hide a monkey, I would imagine. 41 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:56,593 A chimp, yeah. 42 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:00,263 Did you? 43 00:03:02,682 --> 00:03:06,227 Hopefully, they’ll leave us alone, but I don’t think so. 44 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:08,730 Nope, they’re assholes. 45 00:03:08,813 --> 00:03:10,523 Yeah. 46 00:03:23,661 --> 00:03:25,413 -We good, guys? -Yeah. 47 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:29,376 So, we can start. So, where's Tonka? 48 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:33,963 His conditions and whereabouts are currently unknown. 49 00:03:34,047 --> 00:03:35,090 Tonk. 50 00:03:35,882 --> 00:03:37,258 Are you a happy kid today? 51 00:03:37,341 --> 00:03:39,969 Tonka is an adult male chimpanzee. 52 00:03:40,053 --> 00:03:41,763 He’s in his 30s. 53 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:45,558 He would weigh in excess of a couple hundred pounds. 54 00:03:45,642 --> 00:03:48,186 He’s a stocky big guy. 55 00:03:49,062 --> 00:03:52,399 I don’t know what happened to Tonka, I really don’t. 56 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:56,820 What I know is that Tonia’s story is not true. 57 00:03:58,363 --> 00:03:59,572 Tonka was passed away. 58 00:03:59,656 --> 00:04:03,660 What happened was he had an event 59 00:04:03,743 --> 00:04:05,787 and we're assuming it was a stroke because... 60 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:09,582 Before PETA came and took the chimps, Tonka was very ill. 61 00:04:09,666 --> 00:04:12,502 And it’s sad, and the timing sucked, 62 00:04:12,585 --> 00:04:14,963 because it was near an end of a court case. 63 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:17,173 Tonka! 64 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:27,434 We believe Tonka had a massive stroke. 65 00:04:28,518 --> 00:04:33,732 We already knew he had an enlarged heart. We did an assessment. His heart was huge. 66 00:04:34,941 --> 00:04:37,652 A certified veterinarian sent PETA 67 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:41,823 a certified statement as well as x-rays with labs, 68 00:04:41,906 --> 00:04:44,034 with everything supporting that Tonka 69 00:04:44,117 --> 00:04:46,244 was in congestive heart failure. 70 00:04:46,327 --> 00:04:49,456 The vet begged me to euthanize him. He even stated that. 71 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:53,543 And that’s just what happened, and it’s a sad situation, 72 00:04:53,626 --> 00:04:55,211 but nothing we can do about it. 73 00:04:56,921 --> 00:04:59,299 When PETA said that they didn’t think he was dead, 74 00:04:59,382 --> 00:05:01,343 I was just like, "Oh, really? Is it just-- 75 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:05,055 Is it time to put this to rest? Is it--" Why would she do that? 76 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:06,681 You're not running very fast, boy... 77 00:05:06,765 --> 00:05:09,517 I hope, I hope, I hope he is alive. 78 00:05:09,601 --> 00:05:12,062 But if he is, where the fuck is he? 79 00:05:30,997 --> 00:05:33,291 -Tonia Haddix. -Tonia. Okay. 80 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:37,504 When I was first approached about the project 81 00:05:37,587 --> 00:05:39,589 and be a proxy director, 82 00:05:39,673 --> 00:05:42,676 I didn’t really have any idea what that meant. 83 00:05:44,302 --> 00:05:45,887 Even when I looked it up, 84 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:48,014 I still didn’t understand exactly. 85 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:52,727 But I definitely was a bridge. I come from the animal world. 86 00:05:52,811 --> 00:05:55,772 I know about animals. I know these animal people. 87 00:05:56,898 --> 00:05:58,733 Tonia Haddix. 88 00:05:58,817 --> 00:06:00,276 -T! -Hey, dear. 89 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,195 So where are we? What are we up to? 90 00:06:18,837 --> 00:06:20,505 Hi, buddy. You want some grain? 91 00:06:20,588 --> 00:06:22,465 I’ll give you a little bit of grain, how 'bout that? 92 00:06:22,549 --> 00:06:25,969 Come over here. Come over here. Kiss. Good boy. 93 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:27,721 Good boy. 94 00:06:27,804 --> 00:06:32,058 Okay, tell me about it. Say, "I want some grain." 95 00:06:32,142 --> 00:06:34,185 We’re definitely not in Festus anymore. 96 00:06:36,062 --> 00:06:39,858 I actually moved up to the lake in central Missouri. 97 00:06:39,941 --> 00:06:41,317 28 acres. 98 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:45,071 The house needs, you know, inundated, which we’re inundating it as we speak. 99 00:06:45,155 --> 00:06:46,406 Come on. 100 00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:49,159 And we plan to do a private petting zoo. 101 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:51,619 You are something else. 102 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:54,664 I’m trying to find four white ponies, 103 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:57,375 and I’m wanting to paint their mane and tails pink, 104 00:06:57,459 --> 00:06:59,711 and I want them to be like unicorns. 105 00:06:59,794 --> 00:07:02,630 I’m gonna put the heart sparkles on their butts and stuff. 106 00:07:02,714 --> 00:07:05,425 But I want it all to be glitter, so it’s gotta be blingy, 107 00:07:05,508 --> 00:07:07,302 'cause blingy is my deal. 108 00:07:07,385 --> 00:07:09,262 And so, it’d be really cute. 109 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:17,270 I do have a pair of gibbons which are endangered, 110 00:07:17,354 --> 00:07:19,731 but for the most part, it’s going to strictly be out 111 00:07:19,814 --> 00:07:21,483 of the endangered stuff, 112 00:07:21,566 --> 00:07:24,652 so that we don’t have any issues, hopefully, so... 113 00:07:24,736 --> 00:07:25,904 Huh, kids? 114 00:07:30,241 --> 00:07:33,620 I do brokering of exotic animals. 115 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,249 Basically, I’m the middleman. 116 00:07:38,332 --> 00:07:41,127 I can get any animal that you’re looking for, 117 00:07:41,211 --> 00:07:43,672 and I get a brokerage fee for that. 118 00:07:43,755 --> 00:07:48,802 Any baby or any animal that I broker, I usually transport. 119 00:07:48,885 --> 00:07:53,640 I don’t trust any other transporters to take care of my babies. 120 00:07:55,183 --> 00:07:58,561 I buy the animal from private breeding facilities, 121 00:07:58,645 --> 00:08:00,897 and then I’ll hang onto it until it does sell. 122 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:02,732 Or, especially with this petting zoo, 123 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:06,611 if you decide you fall in love with it, and you keep it yourself. 124 00:08:06,695 --> 00:08:10,490 I would advertise them on Facebook, I would just put them on my page. 125 00:08:10,573 --> 00:08:12,867 Word of mouth has gotten me way big 126 00:08:12,951 --> 00:08:16,371 compared to what I was whenever I first started out. 127 00:08:16,454 --> 00:08:18,415 I have a lot of zoo contacts. 128 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:22,252 That's how they generate more income, by selling off babies. 129 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:25,296 They don't want it to be known, of course. 130 00:08:25,380 --> 00:08:28,216 There's been a lot of celebrity clients that buy. 131 00:08:28,299 --> 00:08:30,385 A full linebacker for the Cleveland Browns, 132 00:08:30,468 --> 00:08:31,845 that type stuff. 133 00:08:31,928 --> 00:08:35,765 I've dealt with all kinds of people whenever it comes to the exotics. 134 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:50,363 -Gimme a call back. -Gimme a call back. 135 00:08:50,447 --> 00:08:52,198 -Just return my call. -Gimme a call back. 136 00:08:52,282 --> 00:08:53,992 -Give me a call. -Give me a call back. 137 00:08:54,075 --> 00:08:55,410 Call me back, goodbye. 138 00:08:59,247 --> 00:09:02,751 My best year of brokering monkeys so far 139 00:09:02,834 --> 00:09:04,919 has been about 350,000. 140 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:10,175 You can easily make a million dollars selling animals in a year’s time. 141 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:16,097 But I would trade this house and anything else that I own, 142 00:09:16,181 --> 00:09:18,850 just to be back to where we were before PETA came 143 00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:20,185 and took the kids. 144 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:26,691 Hi, honey. Hi, boy. 145 00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:29,402 I moved to start a new life. 146 00:09:29,486 --> 00:09:32,197 That’s just my way of coping with what’s going on, 147 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,701 and the loss of the chimps, 'cause I’m really not dealing, honestly. 148 00:09:39,371 --> 00:09:40,830 Oh, tell me this is not cool. 149 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,417 These are Connie’s chimps. 150 00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:50,924 It really bothers me that they’re gone. 151 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:54,761 I like to go-- what I call home. I go to the facility. 152 00:09:56,346 --> 00:09:59,224 Just kind of like reconnecting with Connie. 153 00:10:00,475 --> 00:10:02,602 At first, you know, we really didn’t say a lot. 154 00:10:02,686 --> 00:10:03,937 I just looked around. 155 00:10:04,813 --> 00:10:06,690 You know, you expect to see the chimps. 156 00:10:11,194 --> 00:10:14,322 When Tonka was alive, he was a big greeter. 157 00:10:14,989 --> 00:10:18,451 So it was tough, to be honest with you. 158 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:20,954 Of course, a lot of tears. A lot of tears. 159 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:26,251 Tonky, can you wave? Good boy. Can you show me your goggles? 160 00:10:26,334 --> 00:10:28,336 Tonka, that kid. 161 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:33,049 Anybody that ever met Tonka will tell you that chimp 162 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:36,177 is the most amazing chimp in this whole entire world. 163 00:10:36,261 --> 00:10:38,346 And I know a lot of other people that own chimps 164 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:40,306 will say, "No, my kid was the most amazing." 165 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:41,933 No. 166 00:10:42,017 --> 00:10:45,854 He was the most amazing chimp you could ever run across. 167 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:50,150 He greets you by sticking out his tongue. 168 00:10:50,233 --> 00:10:52,444 He doesn’t have a mean bone in his body. 169 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:56,531 His eyes are so, like they-- you just melt with him. 170 00:10:57,991 --> 00:10:59,576 He had me from the word "hello." 171 00:11:01,870 --> 00:11:03,496 He did movies his whole entire life 172 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:05,582 from the time he was, like, six months old on. 173 00:11:07,292 --> 00:11:09,336 You got a problem, sweetie? 174 00:11:09,419 --> 00:11:13,381 So, Tonka was a humanzee-- half human, half chimpanzee-- 175 00:11:13,465 --> 00:11:16,968 because we put the human side into him and he was a chimpanzee. 176 00:11:17,844 --> 00:11:19,012 Want to give me a kiss? 177 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:22,557 If I cried, he’d wipe the tear from my face, 178 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,017 because he didn’t want you to cry. 179 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:26,478 Or he’d reach out and pat the back of my head 180 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:28,021 and kiss my forehead. 181 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:30,523 Whatcha doing? 182 00:11:30,607 --> 00:11:32,400 Sometimes I’d see him masturbating. 183 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:36,988 But he was always tactful with it, 'cause he always took his blanket, 184 00:11:37,072 --> 00:11:38,823 and he would always do it under the blanket. 185 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:41,409 And I’d say, "Tonka, knock it off," 186 00:11:41,493 --> 00:11:42,744 and then he’d come over there-- 187 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:46,873 Yeah. 188 00:11:53,421 --> 00:11:55,048 So, this is a sequence from "Buddy." 189 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:58,968 Oh, there’s Tonka, wearing roller skates. 190 00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:00,512 How do you know that’s Tonka? 191 00:12:00,595 --> 00:12:02,430 -I just recognize him. -Oh, so you can? 192 00:12:02,514 --> 00:12:03,431 Yeah. 193 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:08,061 You know real chimps in films can't happen again. 194 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:10,980 No. No. Never. 195 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,861 And do you worry that people are gonna accuse you of being a hypocrite? 196 00:12:16,945 --> 00:12:20,657 Well, I don’t worry about it. It’s true. I mean, if you-- 197 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,951 But that’s 30 years ago, and I have changed, 198 00:12:23,034 --> 00:12:24,953 and the world has changed, and I freely, 199 00:12:26,663 --> 00:12:29,124 you know, think they're right. 200 00:12:29,207 --> 00:12:32,919 But I’m standing here to say that I was-- felt very lucky 201 00:12:33,003 --> 00:12:38,550 to have that experience, but I realize now that it was not in the animal's interests. 202 00:12:45,598 --> 00:12:48,143 That’s his handprint on, that red bit. 203 00:12:48,226 --> 00:12:51,229 And there’s a scene in the film where he’s painting. 204 00:12:52,522 --> 00:12:54,482 I finished "Buddy" and I went straight to Europe 205 00:12:54,566 --> 00:12:57,652 to make this really depressing film in Budapest. 206 00:12:57,736 --> 00:12:59,988 My friend Caroline, who directed "Buddy." 207 00:13:00,071 --> 00:13:01,781 So I said, "Oh, I’m having a terrible time." 208 00:13:01,865 --> 00:13:03,283 One day, she sent this picture, 209 00:13:03,366 --> 00:13:05,243 and I sort of had that on my wall in Budapest 210 00:13:05,326 --> 00:13:07,579 for all those months when I was making this crazy film. 211 00:13:09,164 --> 00:13:11,416 It’s hard to describe how you have 212 00:13:11,499 --> 00:13:14,294 a connection with an animal, you know, or a human. 213 00:13:14,377 --> 00:13:16,713 Like, you just-- something happens. 214 00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:22,135 But ultimately, it is not a child, and it’s not a human, 215 00:13:22,218 --> 00:13:23,845 It is a wild animal. 216 00:13:27,098 --> 00:13:30,894 See, this is a crazy, crazy animal house. 217 00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:33,980 Hi! Katie, Katie, Katie. 218 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:36,358 This is my baby I raised. Her name’s Katie. 219 00:13:36,441 --> 00:13:38,234 She says, "I want my bottle, Mom." 220 00:13:47,077 --> 00:13:51,206 I’m not a big TV person. I’m not a big social media person. 221 00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:53,833 But it’s funny because, you know what they call me? 222 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:59,964 "Monkey mogul accused of faking death of famous chimpanzee." 223 00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:01,800 It cracks me up 'cause I’m like, 224 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:04,552 "Okay, first of all, I’m not a monkey mogul." 225 00:14:04,636 --> 00:14:10,517 I'm not. Secondly, is faking the death of a chimp, okay? 226 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,143 For what, what good reason? 227 00:14:12,227 --> 00:14:14,938 I mean, I’m trying to-- I want PETA to explain to me. 228 00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:19,317 What good would it do for me to fake Tonka’s death? 229 00:14:19,401 --> 00:14:24,197 Okay, I know for a fact that PETA would never quit hounding you. 230 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,283 So, you wouldn’t be able to get to keep Tonka yourself. 231 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:30,328 So why-- I mean, what would be the real reason 232 00:14:30,412 --> 00:14:32,956 behind faking Tonka’s death? 233 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,709 Because it serves no purpose for me. 234 00:14:38,003 --> 00:14:40,422 Joining us now is Jared Goodman. 235 00:14:40,505 --> 00:14:43,508 He’s been litigating this case since its inception. 236 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:46,678 She has offered to let PETA search her house. 237 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,475 But you haven’t taken her up on that offer. 238 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,896 There’s no reason for us to believe that Tonka is in her home. 239 00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:59,107 She lives somewhere that, to our knowledge, 240 00:14:59,190 --> 00:15:02,068 doesn’t have an enclosure for a chimpanzee. 241 00:15:02,152 --> 00:15:05,155 Tonka is an adult and a dangerous chimpanzee. 242 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:06,406 He wouldn’t just, you know, 243 00:15:06,489 --> 00:15:09,659 simply be living in the house like a child. 244 00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:15,498 Chimpanzees are unquestionably quite cute when they’re young. 245 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:19,419 But because adult chimpanzees in particular are so strong, 246 00:15:19,502 --> 00:15:22,088 they are incredibly dangerous to humans. 247 00:15:24,883 --> 00:15:26,843 They require specialized enclosures. 248 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:32,307 They just have so much power, 249 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:35,643 it is so easy for them to harm a human being, 250 00:15:36,603 --> 00:15:39,898 as we’ve seen with arguably the most infamous 251 00:15:39,981 --> 00:15:42,484 animal attack of all time. 252 00:15:42,567 --> 00:15:44,361 The chimpanzee Travis. 253 00:15:48,323 --> 00:15:51,117 Trav, Trav! Come here! Come here! 254 00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:53,203 Put your legs around my neck. Put 'em around my neck. 255 00:15:53,286 --> 00:15:56,331 Put 'em around my neck. Give me a big kiss. 256 00:15:56,414 --> 00:15:57,582 Come here. 257 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:05,256 Stamford 911, what's your emergency? 258 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:12,806 What’s the problem there? 259 00:16:15,850 --> 00:16:17,143 Who's killing your friend? 260 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:44,295 My father was married four times, and she was wife number two. 261 00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:46,965 That’s it. Oh, here we go. 262 00:16:47,048 --> 00:16:49,634 Yeah. Isn’t that cool? 263 00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:51,428 That's a nice find. 264 00:16:51,511 --> 00:16:57,100 There was so much negative news on TV and in the papers about Sandy and Travis. 265 00:16:57,183 --> 00:17:00,520 And I would just bite my tongue, you know, just not say anything. 266 00:17:01,646 --> 00:17:06,734 I just want people to know the truth, because there was so much bullshit. 267 00:17:08,862 --> 00:17:10,613 Sandy was funny as hell. 268 00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:15,660 She really made me laugh. She was a lot of fun to be around. 269 00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:21,165 One day, she told me that she’s gonna get a chimpanzee. 270 00:17:22,334 --> 00:17:25,377 And I said, "Where is she gonna get that from?" 271 00:17:25,462 --> 00:17:27,005 And she said, oh, she knows this lady. 272 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:30,175 I think her name was Connie, and she was out in Missouri. 273 00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:35,263 Connie Casey, who owns a company called Chimparty, 274 00:17:35,347 --> 00:17:40,060 she’s also in the business of breeding and selling chimpanzees as pets. 275 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:43,146 And she said she’s gonna fly out to Missouri, 276 00:17:43,229 --> 00:17:46,066 get this chimp. 40,000 bucks. 277 00:17:47,317 --> 00:17:49,402 She went out and came home with Travis. 278 00:17:50,779 --> 00:17:54,449 Cutest baby you ever saw. Really was. 279 00:17:54,532 --> 00:17:56,534 What are you doing, Travis? 280 00:17:56,618 --> 00:17:57,744 Give me a kiss. 281 00:17:58,703 --> 00:18:00,288 That's it, squeeze it out. 282 00:18:00,372 --> 00:18:04,209 Squeeze it. That’s a boy. I love you. 283 00:18:04,292 --> 00:18:08,213 Pedal, pedal, pedal! Pedal, that’s a good boy. Hurry up, yay! 284 00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:09,756 Go get her, Trav. 285 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:15,720 I remember Sandy saying to me, 286 00:18:15,804 --> 00:18:19,557 "Don’t you love this little shit? He’s so cute, isn’t he?" 287 00:18:19,641 --> 00:18:21,351 Give me some. Give me-- 288 00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:27,941 Travis was like any other person in our family. 289 00:18:28,024 --> 00:18:30,652 He was just the one that couldn't talk. 290 00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:34,364 Sandy was his mom, and Jerry was his dad. 291 00:18:34,447 --> 00:18:37,617 Travis, go see Daddy. Go ahead, hurry up. 292 00:18:40,036 --> 00:18:42,330 They trained him to use the potty. 293 00:18:43,707 --> 00:18:45,500 He knew how to use the microwave. 294 00:18:45,583 --> 00:18:48,837 He would cook for himself and eat his snacks. 295 00:18:54,217 --> 00:18:55,510 They taught him how to drive. 296 00:18:56,886 --> 00:18:59,973 He could steer. He knew which one was the gas pedal. 297 00:19:00,056 --> 00:19:02,934 Any time you opened the car door, he would jump in. 298 00:19:03,018 --> 00:19:04,561 He loved to go for a ride. 299 00:19:05,395 --> 00:19:07,230 They went everywhere with Travis, 300 00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:10,775 and he was never lonely, and neither was Sandy. 301 00:19:10,859 --> 00:19:12,485 So, it was perfect. 302 00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:19,075 Sandy and Jerry built a towing business 303 00:19:19,159 --> 00:19:21,536 from the ground up called Desire Me Motors. 304 00:19:23,788 --> 00:19:26,207 And Travis became the mascot. 305 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:31,338 The police were always in there. 306 00:19:31,421 --> 00:19:34,883 They were good friends with all the police department. 307 00:19:36,384 --> 00:19:41,222 When I used to do traffic, it would be a common sight to see Travis. 308 00:19:41,306 --> 00:19:45,101 He'd be waving to you, had a big smile on his face. 309 00:19:45,185 --> 00:19:48,229 And sometimes they would pull up next to me, 310 00:19:48,313 --> 00:19:51,316 and I would play with him. I loved him. 311 00:19:53,985 --> 00:19:55,320 Throw it to Dad. 312 00:19:55,403 --> 00:19:57,280 Give me the ball. Give it to me. Hey! 313 00:19:57,364 --> 00:19:58,990 Trav! 314 00:19:59,074 --> 00:20:03,453 They went everywhere with Travis. And everybody wanted to meet him. 315 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:05,789 Maury Povich, he met, 316 00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:07,082 and Sheryl Crow. 317 00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:11,086 There was a TV commercial with Morgan Fairchild. 318 00:20:11,169 --> 00:20:12,671 We've been rescued. 319 00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:14,255 From high prices. 320 00:20:14,339 --> 00:20:17,008 Now, that's a great discovery. 321 00:20:17,092 --> 00:20:19,719 He was just everywhere, and everyone knew him. 322 00:20:19,803 --> 00:20:20,970 Everyone knew Travis. 323 00:20:24,474 --> 00:20:27,143 This was when he got so big. 324 00:20:28,937 --> 00:20:31,231 It’s like a toddler that gets big, 325 00:20:31,314 --> 00:20:34,317 and you can’t control him, and he’s a pain in the ass. 326 00:20:34,401 --> 00:20:35,735 You'd tell him to stop doing something. 327 00:20:35,819 --> 00:20:37,445 If he didn’t feel like stopping, he wasn’t gonna, 328 00:20:37,529 --> 00:20:39,656 so it was like, "Knock it off," you know? 329 00:20:41,324 --> 00:20:44,953 When Travis was about six or seven, is when Sandy started realizing 330 00:20:45,036 --> 00:20:47,622 that he was a little more than she could handle. 331 00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:53,003 But that was her son, so she was going to make it work. 332 00:20:54,045 --> 00:20:56,715 She just kept pretending that everything was fine. 333 00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:01,094 A chimp in diapers. 334 00:21:01,177 --> 00:21:05,223 Travis, all 170 pounds of him, leaped from his owner's SUV. 335 00:21:07,225 --> 00:21:10,645 For several hours, he commandeered the intersection, 336 00:21:10,729 --> 00:21:13,982 causing residents of the neighborhood to be ordered back into their homes. 337 00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:18,194 He was running around the street, spanking people, 338 00:21:18,278 --> 00:21:20,321 and it was kind of humorous at the time. 339 00:21:20,405 --> 00:21:21,781 Travis the chimp played 340 00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:24,117 in the middle of the street, rolled on his back. 341 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,037 Two hours later, Travis decided he’d had enough, 342 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,913 and came back to his owner. 343 00:21:30,457 --> 00:21:32,834 Sandy said he wanted ice cream. 344 00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:35,962 That’s how they got him back into the car, ultimately. 345 00:21:36,046 --> 00:21:37,505 Isn't this the way the movie 346 00:21:37,589 --> 00:21:39,758 "The Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" started? 347 00:21:39,841 --> 00:21:42,427 "Take your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!" 348 00:21:46,264 --> 00:21:49,517 After that, the laws changed in Connecticut. 349 00:21:49,601 --> 00:21:51,686 They called it the Travis Amendment. 350 00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:54,856 If anyone had a primate that was 50 pounds or more, 351 00:21:54,939 --> 00:21:57,525 they had to have a permit. 352 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:59,694 But they never enforced it. 353 00:22:02,113 --> 00:22:06,701 Sandy was warned by the mayor this cannot happen again, 354 00:22:06,785 --> 00:22:08,912 or there will be serious repercussions. 355 00:22:11,122 --> 00:22:15,168 After the incident, Travis was confined to the house. 356 00:22:16,711 --> 00:22:18,213 Hadn't been to the shop. 357 00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:22,092 Hadn't been for a car ride. 358 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:25,178 Everything was being brought into the home now for Travis. 359 00:22:26,471 --> 00:22:30,266 He went from being the famous chimp 360 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:32,060 to the unseen chimp. 361 00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:36,564 What do you want me to do? 362 00:22:36,648 --> 00:22:38,650 Alright, we're gonna go do something in a few minutes. 363 00:22:38,733 --> 00:22:41,778 Wait a couple minutes. 364 00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:47,701 Let him eat, Trav. 365 00:22:47,784 --> 00:22:50,412 He was just stuck home and not be able to say, 366 00:22:50,495 --> 00:22:52,163 "Hey, take me with you," or "Please, don't go. 367 00:22:52,247 --> 00:22:54,541 Please don't leave me here." 368 00:22:54,624 --> 00:22:55,625 I had an owie, there, look. 369 00:22:55,709 --> 00:22:57,085 Look, check Daddy's owie out. 370 00:22:57,168 --> 00:22:58,545 Check the owie. Which one? 371 00:22:58,628 --> 00:23:03,508 Roughly a year after the incident in downtown Stamford, 372 00:23:03,591 --> 00:23:06,386 Jerry had suddenly become sick. 373 00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:13,059 He was rushed to the hospital, and was diagnosed with stomach cancer. 374 00:23:13,143 --> 00:23:15,937 That's the one, yeah! 375 00:23:16,021 --> 00:23:17,731 He never returned home. 376 00:23:21,651 --> 00:23:25,155 After Jerry died, Travis was very despondent 377 00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:28,324 and heartbroken, just as Sandy was. 378 00:23:34,748 --> 00:23:38,126 The house at that point started looking very different 379 00:23:38,209 --> 00:23:40,837 than when Jerry was alive. 380 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,340 Sandy would go on a lot of shopping sprees. 381 00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:47,093 It made her happy to buy things for herself 382 00:23:47,177 --> 00:23:48,470 and things for Travis. 383 00:23:50,889 --> 00:23:54,100 But Travis was still very depressed. 384 00:23:55,143 --> 00:23:58,605 He was rocking back and forth, and he did it all day. 385 00:23:59,981 --> 00:24:03,610 I would try to talk to him and I’d say, "Travis, it’s okay." 386 00:24:03,693 --> 00:24:06,112 You know, I would, like, just try to distract him. 387 00:24:06,196 --> 00:24:09,324 And he would stop for a minute and just look at me, 388 00:24:09,407 --> 00:24:11,701 and then he would go right back to rocking. 389 00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:17,415 What are you doing? You got so big. You're a big boy now. 390 00:24:19,084 --> 00:24:22,587 One day, Sandy said to me, "Hey, why don’t you bring 391 00:24:22,671 --> 00:24:25,006 your sons over to play with Travis?" 392 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:29,761 My son, Tony, he’s over six feet tall and he’s a big guy. 393 00:24:29,844 --> 00:24:32,555 You wanna come play, Travis? You wanna come play? 394 00:24:33,556 --> 00:24:34,641 Yes, you do! 395 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,604 Yeah, put your pants on first. Put your pants on. 396 00:24:40,605 --> 00:24:43,274 Here, put your pants on. Put your pants on, here. 397 00:24:43,358 --> 00:24:46,277 He gives you his foot. He's a good boy. 398 00:24:46,361 --> 00:24:49,072 Okay, okay. Now, give Kerri a kiss. 399 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,240 He can check out your feet. 400 00:24:50,323 --> 00:24:53,785 Oh, the shoe's going. I lost my shoe privileges. 401 00:24:53,868 --> 00:24:56,287 Travis grabbed Tony’s boot. 402 00:24:56,371 --> 00:24:58,707 He wanted Tony to chase him. 403 00:24:58,790 --> 00:25:01,251 So, Sandy said, "Chase him, Tony, chase him." 404 00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:02,627 You're a big kid! 405 00:25:02,711 --> 00:25:05,422 He’s a roughhouser. He likes to roughhouse. 406 00:25:05,505 --> 00:25:08,299 See, look at this, look it. He has a smile on his face. 407 00:25:08,383 --> 00:25:11,803 -Get him, Tone, go ahead. -Easy! Easy! Hey! Hey! 408 00:25:11,886 --> 00:25:13,471 Chill, chill. Get him off. 409 00:25:13,555 --> 00:25:15,140 Trav! Trav. 410 00:25:15,223 --> 00:25:16,808 That's enough, that's enough. 411 00:25:25,817 --> 00:25:28,903 And I was like, oh, shit. Look at that, man. 412 00:25:33,408 --> 00:25:37,078 February 16, 2009, 413 00:25:37,162 --> 00:25:41,541 Sandy and I had plans, actually for three o’clock that day. 414 00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:45,378 She called me and she said, "I’m gonna be a little late. 415 00:25:45,462 --> 00:25:47,464 "I’m having problems with Trav. 416 00:25:47,881 --> 00:25:51,384 He doesn’t want-- he wants to go for a ride." 417 00:25:51,468 --> 00:25:53,011 And now, he took the keys. 418 00:25:55,889 --> 00:25:58,099 Charla Nash had called at that moment. 419 00:25:59,225 --> 00:26:02,604 Charla would babysit Travis when needed. 420 00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:05,398 She knew him since he was a little itty-bitty 421 00:26:05,482 --> 00:26:08,151 when he first came to Stamford, Connecticut. 422 00:26:09,736 --> 00:26:13,156 Charla was gonna come over and help her get Travis in. 423 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,037 When Charla arrived, 424 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,083 Travis was right in the driveway when she got out of her car. 425 00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:26,294 She did have an Elmo doll that she had picked up. 426 00:26:26,378 --> 00:26:29,130 Travis was a big fan of Elmo. 427 00:26:29,214 --> 00:26:32,676 She thought this is the best thing, to show him Elmo, he'll be happy. 428 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:34,761 And instead, 429 00:26:34,844 --> 00:26:36,930 it was horrific. 430 00:26:41,685 --> 00:26:43,895 What is the monkey doing? Tell me what the monkey's-- 431 00:26:45,271 --> 00:26:46,773 He ripped her face off? 432 00:26:47,065 --> 00:26:48,066 He tried-- 433 00:26:50,443 --> 00:26:53,113 Is the monkey still by your friend, or can you get close to your friend? 434 00:26:55,573 --> 00:26:56,741 Please. 435 00:26:57,659 --> 00:27:00,912 Okay, I need you to calm down for me. I know it's hard, okay? I know it's hard. 436 00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:13,675 I remember on my radio comes a call. 437 00:27:13,758 --> 00:27:16,219 And at first, I’m like, "Monkey?" 438 00:27:20,598 --> 00:27:23,768 And I wait a minute, I go, "This is the chimp." 439 00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:35,321 I get up. It’s a long driveway. 440 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:45,123 I see Sandra. 441 00:27:45,206 --> 00:27:47,792 She’s trying to stab the thing with a little knife in the back, 442 00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:48,918 trying to get it. 443 00:27:58,303 --> 00:28:01,014 Now, the chimp turns around and looks at me. 444 00:28:01,097 --> 00:28:04,601 So, he comes over to my car and he starts shaking the car. 445 00:28:08,063 --> 00:28:09,939 Like "Jurassic Park," if you remember when 446 00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:12,859 in the movie, when the thing was shaking, that’s what was happening. 447 00:28:12,942 --> 00:28:15,278 This thing had so much power and strength. 448 00:28:18,281 --> 00:28:22,744 I’m not ashamed to admit I was frightened. And I took the gun out. 449 00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:26,581 If he tries to get me, I have no choice. I have to kill him. 450 00:28:28,958 --> 00:28:31,586 He pulls around and he comes to my door. 451 00:28:32,587 --> 00:28:35,131 And I’m looking at him. We’re looking at each other. 452 00:28:35,215 --> 00:28:36,633 He pulls the door right off. 453 00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:41,304 And then he raises his hands up. 454 00:28:42,972 --> 00:28:44,391 And he growls. 455 00:28:45,642 --> 00:28:48,144 All I see are these big teeth with blood dripping. 456 00:28:49,437 --> 00:28:53,316 He gave me a second, and I tell people, I swear this is true. 457 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,819 I didn’t hear it, but it was like a connection. 458 00:28:55,902 --> 00:28:58,905 And he said to me, "Please do it." 459 00:28:59,948 --> 00:29:01,491 Like, "I can’t take it anymore." 460 00:29:02,992 --> 00:29:04,786 Sandra, stay in your car. 461 00:29:04,869 --> 00:29:05,995 Shoot him! 462 00:29:13,336 --> 00:29:16,381 He still didn’t go down, and he just looked at me. 463 00:29:17,882 --> 00:29:20,260 And then, he ran back into the house. 464 00:29:31,271 --> 00:29:32,731 He ran into his cage. 465 00:29:33,773 --> 00:29:35,608 And that was it. 466 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:50,373 After he went in the house, I got out. And I saw Charla on the ground. 467 00:29:50,457 --> 00:29:53,001 I couldn't really see any injuries yet at this point. 468 00:29:53,084 --> 00:29:54,711 I just saw her body there. 469 00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:57,547 And the ambulance who was waiting up the block 470 00:29:57,630 --> 00:30:00,842 were allowed to come in now to take her out. 471 00:30:08,141 --> 00:30:10,602 It was a horrendous, terrible scene. 472 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:13,188 What he did to her. 473 00:30:13,646 --> 00:30:16,399 That’s Charlie. And she was feeding Travis. 474 00:30:16,483 --> 00:30:18,026 They knew each other well. 475 00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:21,446 Travis the chimp and his victim, Charla Nash. 476 00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:25,617 The injuries so devastating, at first, emergency responders 477 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:27,744 couldn’t tell if she was a man or a woman. 478 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:31,247 Nash lost her eyes, her nose, the jaw. 479 00:30:41,966 --> 00:30:45,095 Following an investigation by the Stamford Police Department, 480 00:30:45,178 --> 00:30:48,598 based on the evidence presented at this time, 481 00:30:48,682 --> 00:30:51,976 no criminal prosecution is warranted in this case. 482 00:30:53,478 --> 00:30:57,399 No one made Mrs. Herold aware in any way 483 00:30:57,482 --> 00:31:01,152 of the risk entailed in keeping the chimpanzee. 484 00:31:03,655 --> 00:31:05,699 She told me not to tell anyone. 485 00:31:05,782 --> 00:31:09,369 She said if the police that day had made her strip down 486 00:31:09,452 --> 00:31:11,246 and looked at her body, 487 00:31:11,329 --> 00:31:13,623 they would have seen her covered in bruises. 488 00:31:14,749 --> 00:31:19,170 Trav, give Kerri a kiss. Give her a kiss. Listen, Trav. 489 00:31:21,256 --> 00:31:23,758 Travis was a ticking time bomb. 490 00:31:23,842 --> 00:31:26,845 She overlooked that, because she was thinking about herself. 491 00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:32,100 This is Maggie Klein, 492 00:31:32,183 --> 00:31:34,227 and this dashing fellow is called Joe Mende. 493 00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:39,024 Oh, Mr. Tonka. He is such a cute little man. 494 00:31:41,401 --> 00:31:43,486 Tonka's like, "What?" 495 00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:49,451 The issue of captive-bred chimps 496 00:31:49,534 --> 00:31:53,455 like Travis and Tonka has been on PETA's radar for decades. 497 00:31:53,538 --> 00:31:56,249 To understand how they got into this situation, 498 00:31:56,332 --> 00:31:58,251 you have to go back to 1973. 499 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,756 This is the most far-reaching and comprehensive message on conservation 500 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,842 ever submitted to the Congress by a President of the United States. 501 00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:08,845 The Endangered Species Act was signed into law 502 00:32:08,928 --> 00:32:11,222 to protect species on the verge of extinction. 503 00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:14,017 Wild chimpanzees were protected, 504 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,519 but those who were held in captivity were left out 505 00:32:16,603 --> 00:32:18,396 to allow for their continued use 506 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,358 in laboratories, zoos, and for entertainment. 507 00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:23,693 I forgot, I gotta burp you. 508 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:28,198 With the lawful pipeline for wild chimpanzees 509 00:32:28,281 --> 00:32:29,949 closed in the United States, 510 00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:32,577 breeders like Connie Casey flourished. 511 00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:36,373 There are currently 18 chimpanzees living in Connie and Mike’s home. 512 00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:40,794 A baby chimp going price right now is about $65,000. 513 00:32:40,877 --> 00:32:42,671 Advocacy groups like PETA 514 00:32:42,754 --> 00:32:44,589 have worked to expand their protections. 515 00:32:44,673 --> 00:32:48,343 Using great apes causes a lifetime of suffering. 516 00:32:48,426 --> 00:32:50,595 Don’t use great apes in your work. 517 00:32:50,679 --> 00:32:53,306 And in 2015, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 518 00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:57,310 finally declared that all chimpanzees were fully protected. 519 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:03,358 But even now, due to limited resources or interest, 520 00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:06,861 the government rarely enforces the law for captive animals. 521 00:33:08,571 --> 00:33:10,782 That’s really where PETA and our legal team 522 00:33:10,865 --> 00:33:12,951 is able to step in to help fill the gap. 523 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,370 The closure of a controversial zoo in Horry County. 524 00:33:15,453 --> 00:33:16,621 PETA filed a lawsuit... 525 00:33:16,705 --> 00:33:17,997 Eighteen violations... 526 00:33:18,081 --> 00:33:19,457 Inadequate primate housing... 527 00:33:19,541 --> 00:33:21,292 The River Zoo in Roswell... 528 00:33:21,376 --> 00:33:23,461 The zoo will be permanently closed. 529 00:33:23,545 --> 00:33:25,463 PETA is putting its foot down. 530 00:33:25,547 --> 00:33:27,590 But there are likely many more chimpanzees 531 00:33:27,674 --> 00:33:30,010 currently in private ownership. 532 00:33:30,093 --> 00:33:32,095 Then in July, PETA seized the chimps 533 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:36,182 with U.S. Marshal oversight, but one chimp was missing. 534 00:33:38,768 --> 00:33:40,979 That's really what all of this is about. 535 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:45,608 That's why it's incredibly important for us to find Tonka. 536 00:33:45,692 --> 00:33:47,569 Because if we don't get him to a sanctuary, 537 00:33:47,652 --> 00:33:48,820 nobody else will. 538 00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:52,741 That's for you, and... 539 00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:56,578 Oh, my gosh. No, you know what? I’m mad about this. Very angry. 540 00:33:56,661 --> 00:33:59,581 I will not eat these anymore because they took the bars off this, 541 00:33:59,664 --> 00:34:03,543 because PETA required they can’t be in cages. 542 00:34:03,626 --> 00:34:05,045 Is that not ridiculous? 543 00:34:05,128 --> 00:34:08,005 Barnum and Bailey had these cookies for how long? 544 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:09,632 -I... -I didn’t know. 545 00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:12,719 No, I love them, but I’m just-- I mean, honestly. 546 00:34:12,802 --> 00:34:16,514 See, this is where you, a lot of people don’t realize how bad PETA 547 00:34:16,598 --> 00:34:19,100 really outreaches stupid stuff like this. 548 00:34:25,648 --> 00:34:30,945 I know, baby girl. Give me a kiss first. Nope. Give me a kiss. 549 00:34:31,029 --> 00:34:34,157 So, what makes PETA so sure Tonia is lying, 550 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,658 and that Tonka's alive? 551 00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:37,952 We asked where Tonka was, 552 00:34:38,036 --> 00:34:40,789 because we still hadn’t received proof of his death. 553 00:34:40,871 --> 00:34:44,125 And she said that Tonka was cremated. 554 00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:48,672 The court had ordered that Tonia provide evidence. 555 00:34:50,090 --> 00:34:52,467 So, Tonia Haddix showed me an email. 556 00:34:53,426 --> 00:34:57,138 This email was from a man named Jerry Aswegan, 557 00:34:57,222 --> 00:34:59,432 and it said that Tonka died. 558 00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:04,437 And he burned him on a burn pit at about 165 to 170 degrees, 559 00:35:04,521 --> 00:35:07,148 and what was left was just ashes. 560 00:35:07,232 --> 00:35:08,817 There were no bones anymore. 561 00:35:10,527 --> 00:35:14,447 First, it turns out that Jerry Aswegan was Tony Haddix’s husband, 562 00:35:16,366 --> 00:35:18,993 something that neither the email nor her lawyer 563 00:35:19,077 --> 00:35:20,370 told us about. 564 00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:23,456 And also, that temperature is simply impossible. 565 00:35:24,499 --> 00:35:28,128 If you think about your oven at home, you can’t cook anything at 170 degrees. 566 00:35:28,211 --> 00:35:31,089 It probably doesn’t even go that low. 567 00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:36,678 But, Jerry and Tonia stood by the fact that Tonka was cremated in his backyard 568 00:35:36,761 --> 00:35:40,056 in a manner that allowed them to just scoop up some ashes 569 00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:42,225 at the bottom of the burn pit. 570 00:35:42,308 --> 00:35:44,060 I don’t know enough 'cause I’m not, you know, 571 00:35:44,144 --> 00:35:47,814 I don't do-- I'm not an embalmer. I’m not a funeral home director. 572 00:35:47,897 --> 00:35:49,649 I’m not anything with a funeral home. 573 00:35:49,733 --> 00:35:54,195 But, apparently, when they wrote the statement 574 00:35:54,279 --> 00:35:57,240 initially the first time, 'cause they were in a rush to get it, 575 00:35:57,824 --> 00:36:00,702 they accidentally left off a zero on the temperatures. 576 00:36:00,785 --> 00:36:03,872 The temperatures were correct. It was just the zero was left off. 577 00:36:04,831 --> 00:36:06,666 By "they," you mean Jerry? 578 00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:10,128 Yeah. I had him write a sworn statement 579 00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:12,714 and send it to the courts with the appropriate temperatures. 580 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:17,010 And that is appropriate temperatures, and they can’t deny that, but guess what? 581 00:36:17,093 --> 00:36:21,639 Jared acted like he never even seen that, and all-- You know, that-- 582 00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:24,559 He never would acknowledge the fact that it was corrected. 583 00:36:26,102 --> 00:36:28,104 So, you have Tonka’s ashes? 584 00:36:28,188 --> 00:36:29,481 Oh yeah. 585 00:36:32,692 --> 00:36:37,530 It looks like dirt, but it’s very fine. 586 00:36:37,614 --> 00:36:40,367 If they want to have a little scoop of the ashes, 587 00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:41,618 more power to 'em. 588 00:36:41,701 --> 00:36:45,080 But I’m tired of him being an ass and insulting my integrity. 589 00:36:47,457 --> 00:36:50,251 I think my relationship with Tonia 590 00:36:50,335 --> 00:36:53,296 would be accurately described as acrimonious, 591 00:36:53,838 --> 00:36:55,965 and that’s mostly from her end. 592 00:36:56,049 --> 00:36:58,677 I would say he’s the devil’s spawn, but I know he has a mother. 593 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,720 He’s a bastard. He’s a dick. 594 00:37:00,804 --> 00:37:03,682 I always watch his Facebook page to see if his wife dumps him. 595 00:37:03,765 --> 00:37:05,517 My God, it’s Pee-Wee Herman. 596 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,685 Pee-Wee Herman. Pee-Wee Herman. 597 00:37:06,768 --> 00:37:08,520 I have voodoo dolls of Pee-Wee Herman. 598 00:37:08,603 --> 00:37:11,272 Contempt! Contempt! Another piece of paper! 599 00:37:11,356 --> 00:37:12,899 He checks my Facebook page. 600 00:37:12,982 --> 00:37:16,111 The dumbass accidentally sent me a friend request. 601 00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:19,114 I very much look forward to the day 602 00:37:19,197 --> 00:37:21,866 when I can close that tab and never reopen it. 603 00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:24,160 I tried to run him over the last time we left the courtroom. 604 00:37:24,244 --> 00:37:26,371 I am going to slap the shit out of him. 605 00:37:26,454 --> 00:37:28,498 I don’t want to kill him, I just want to maim him. 606 00:37:28,581 --> 00:37:31,418 He's lucky that he jumped up on the curb, or he would have been ran over. 607 00:37:36,548 --> 00:37:41,344 Her personal attacks were so inconsequential to me 608 00:37:41,428 --> 00:37:43,596 that I don’t really remember precisely what they were. 609 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,894 Okay, guys, he’s calling right now. 610 00:37:49,978 --> 00:37:51,312 Hello? 611 00:37:58,069 --> 00:38:00,071 You know what, I’m done with all of this stuff. 612 00:38:00,155 --> 00:38:02,615 I am so done with it, it’s not even funny. 613 00:38:02,699 --> 00:38:05,243 The "Where’s Waldo?" type situation. 614 00:38:07,495 --> 00:38:09,622 What, what "Where's Waldo?" situation? 615 00:38:09,706 --> 00:38:11,583 You don’t know about "Where’s Waldo?" 616 00:38:13,793 --> 00:38:15,420 I’m familiar with the book. 617 00:38:16,463 --> 00:38:20,925 If you think I like the situation, you're really out of your damn mind. 618 00:38:21,009 --> 00:38:24,387 You don't have the feelings that I have for those kids. 619 00:38:24,471 --> 00:38:28,892 You have not had to go through everything that I have had to go through. 620 00:38:28,975 --> 00:38:31,394 I'm so done with this situation 621 00:38:31,478 --> 00:38:34,314 because I'm the one who got to be villainized. 622 00:38:34,397 --> 00:38:36,900 I went up there out of the kindness of my heart 623 00:38:36,983 --> 00:38:39,486 to help Connie and to help those chimps. 624 00:38:39,569 --> 00:38:41,988 If you don't think that I live with it every day, 625 00:38:42,072 --> 00:38:45,700 that I failed those kids, you're out of your damn mind. 626 00:38:55,293 --> 00:38:56,252 Excuse me. 627 00:39:00,173 --> 00:39:01,758 Okay, is that all? 628 00:39:12,769 --> 00:39:13,937 Yeah. 629 00:39:16,523 --> 00:39:17,607 Hello? 630 00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:18,858 -Hey. -Hey. 631 00:39:25,407 --> 00:39:26,241 I’m at home. 632 00:39:26,324 --> 00:39:28,993 A little bit ago got off, the phone with Jared Goodman. 633 00:39:30,912 --> 00:39:34,124 Well, him and PETA were assholes, of course. 634 00:39:34,207 --> 00:39:35,208 Yeah. 635 00:39:35,291 --> 00:39:36,876 Which I expected it, you know. 636 00:39:41,756 --> 00:39:42,716 Yep. 637 00:39:47,637 --> 00:39:48,596 Yep. 638 00:39:51,141 --> 00:39:52,934 I love you too, okay? 639 00:39:53,018 --> 00:39:54,561 -Okay, bye. -Okay, bye. 640 00:40:11,578 --> 00:40:12,746 Yeah, okay. 641 00:40:16,207 --> 00:40:18,376 My husband will tell you he gets after me. 642 00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:20,712 "Why do you tell everybody your life story?" 643 00:40:20,795 --> 00:40:22,839 Because I have nothing to hide, 644 00:40:22,922 --> 00:40:26,843 and because I’m just an open book. And so, I’m like, "Why shouldn’t I?" 645 00:40:28,011 --> 00:40:31,556 I don’t understand why I keep getting to be the bad guy here, 646 00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:32,724 and I’m tired of it. 647 00:40:33,183 --> 00:40:34,851 I’ve asked PETA several times, 648 00:40:34,934 --> 00:40:38,563 what is it that you want for me to prove you that he’s dead? 649 00:40:38,646 --> 00:40:41,399 So, now I’m asking them. I’m challenging them. 650 00:40:41,483 --> 00:40:44,069 Prove to me that he’s alive. 651 00:40:48,531 --> 00:40:51,868 We knew that Tonka was still out there somewhere. 652 00:40:51,951 --> 00:40:55,205 So, we had to exhaust every possible option 653 00:40:55,288 --> 00:40:56,414 and look for him. 654 00:40:57,499 --> 00:41:02,170 That included sending folks to facilities to look around for him. 655 00:41:05,632 --> 00:41:08,259 Hiring private investigators to take a look at places 656 00:41:08,343 --> 00:41:10,428 where we think he might potentially be. 657 00:41:11,221 --> 00:41:13,515 Of course, monitoring and scouring the internet 658 00:41:13,598 --> 00:41:15,850 for any indication where he might be. 659 00:41:18,103 --> 00:41:21,064 Talking to individuals who might have information. 660 00:41:22,023 --> 00:41:24,067 And really left no stone unturned. 661 00:41:28,405 --> 00:41:33,618 I came to accept early on in this case that it was going to be unpredictable. 662 00:41:33,702 --> 00:41:37,080 But we certainly weren’t expecting to get a call from a psychic. 663 00:41:38,998 --> 00:41:43,003 Tonia's friend confided to her psychic 664 00:41:43,086 --> 00:41:45,797 that it seemed like Tonka really was alive. 665 00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:52,762 Tonia had texted this friend long after Tonka had supposedly died 666 00:41:52,846 --> 00:41:55,807 saying that she was out getting groceries for Tonka. 667 00:41:57,225 --> 00:42:02,355 The psychic reached out to us and we were able to submit a subpoena 668 00:42:02,439 --> 00:42:05,275 to get copies of those text messages. 669 00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:08,028 And this confirmed, of course, what we already knew, 670 00:42:09,529 --> 00:42:11,156 Tonka never really died. 671 00:42:13,074 --> 00:42:17,370 With this evidence, we were finally able to get her back into court 672 00:42:17,454 --> 00:42:19,414 to try to find out what happened to Tonka. 673 00:42:23,543 --> 00:42:27,464 Alright, good morning. This is Judge Perry. I’m here in the case 674 00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:32,260 of counterclaim plaintiff PETA against Tonia Haddix. 675 00:42:32,344 --> 00:42:35,055 Miss Haddix, please raise your right hand. 676 00:42:35,138 --> 00:42:37,766 You do solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony 677 00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:39,809 you are about to give in this cause is the truth, 678 00:42:39,893 --> 00:42:42,479 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 679 00:42:42,562 --> 00:42:45,523 -Yes. -Thank you. 680 00:42:45,607 --> 00:42:47,442 Morning, Miss Haddix. 681 00:42:47,525 --> 00:42:51,154 We’re here today to get the answer to a very simple question. 682 00:42:51,237 --> 00:42:52,947 Where is Tonka? 683 00:43:03,833 --> 00:43:05,251 You froze. 684 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,961 Yeah. 685 00:43:07,629 --> 00:43:10,131 Mr. Goodman is not-- is frozen. 686 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,178 Now, everybody’s frozen. 687 00:43:16,846 --> 00:43:18,390 Very sorry about that. 688 00:43:18,473 --> 00:43:20,266 But can you hear me sufficiently now, Judge? 689 00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:21,351 Yes. 690 00:43:22,977 --> 00:43:25,105 Miss Haddix, are you able to see a document 691 00:43:25,188 --> 00:43:27,315 on the screen now that says "Tonia"? 692 00:43:28,358 --> 00:43:30,193 It appears to be a text. 693 00:43:31,403 --> 00:43:35,156 You said, "I was at Cy," C-Y, "and could not talk, no signal." 694 00:43:36,324 --> 00:43:39,744 You see here, your next message was that "Tonka needed groceries." 695 00:43:42,914 --> 00:43:44,124 Right. 696 00:43:45,417 --> 00:43:46,960 Which is a capuchin of mine. 697 00:43:47,043 --> 00:43:50,839 I got a new capuchin, a rescued capuchin, 698 00:43:50,922 --> 00:43:53,675 and I named that capuchin Tonka. 699 00:43:53,758 --> 00:43:56,177 So, I was getting Tonka groceries, yes. 700 00:43:59,931 --> 00:44:02,142 When did you get this other capuchin? 701 00:44:02,225 --> 00:44:07,480 I got that other capuchin in January, like Janu-- 702 00:44:07,564 --> 00:44:10,775 No, that’s not true. Okay, I’m trying to think. 703 00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:14,696 I got that capuchin, so it’d be July, July 5th. 704 00:44:30,837 --> 00:44:33,089 What happened was I went down, 705 00:44:33,173 --> 00:44:38,261 and I went over to the cage where Tonka was. 706 00:44:38,345 --> 00:44:41,514 And he was still sleeping while I flipped on the lights. 707 00:44:43,850 --> 00:44:46,436 And he didn’t move, and I kept calling his name. 708 00:44:48,521 --> 00:44:51,900 I call him Tonky B, and so I’d say "Tonky B, Tonky B," 709 00:44:51,983 --> 00:44:53,443 and he didn’t respond, and I-- 710 00:44:53,526 --> 00:44:55,236 I watched for breathing. 711 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,740 He didn’t breathe, and I waited for a while. 712 00:45:00,075 --> 00:45:04,537 When he didn’t breathe, we have PVC pipe down there, 713 00:45:04,621 --> 00:45:06,498 small PVC pipe. 714 00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:10,335 It's small in diameter, but it's long. 715 00:45:10,418 --> 00:45:14,714 And we went ahead, and I just went ahead and poked him with that PVC pipe. 716 00:45:15,882 --> 00:45:20,136 And whenever he did respond, his arm just kind of flopped. 717 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:23,723 And so, I just went ahead and waited a few more minutes. 718 00:45:27,936 --> 00:45:31,439 And then I opened the cage door, and he was dead! 719 00:45:34,484 --> 00:45:37,529 I gotta stop! I can’t do this! 720 00:45:37,612 --> 00:45:38,988 Hold on just a second. 721 00:45:39,072 --> 00:45:41,324 Counsel, we’re gonna take a 10-minute recess 722 00:45:41,408 --> 00:45:43,827 so you can compose yourself. 723 00:45:44,536 --> 00:45:46,121 Okay, thank you. 724 00:45:53,545 --> 00:45:55,547 He is such a fuckin' bastard. 725 00:45:57,966 --> 00:45:59,634 Miss Haddix, I just want to let you know 726 00:45:59,718 --> 00:46:00,802 that your microphone is still on. 727 00:46:00,885 --> 00:46:02,846 Okay, thank you. 728 00:46:02,929 --> 00:46:04,055 You’re welcome. 729 00:46:10,895 --> 00:46:12,814 Alright, Mr. Goodman, you may proceed. 730 00:46:12,897 --> 00:46:13,982 Thank you. 731 00:46:25,952 --> 00:46:28,455 I worked in Bosnia, working mass graves 732 00:46:28,538 --> 00:46:31,291 for the International Commission on Missing Persons. 733 00:46:31,374 --> 00:46:35,253 I worked in Kosovo as an agent of the United Nations. 734 00:46:35,337 --> 00:46:39,090 But I’ve never worked a case with a chimpanzee, 735 00:46:39,174 --> 00:46:42,385 let alone one that was allegedly cremated. 736 00:46:42,469 --> 00:46:44,346 So, it immediately piqued my interest. 737 00:46:45,513 --> 00:46:48,224 My name is Rick Snow, I’m a forensic anthropologist. 738 00:46:49,434 --> 00:46:52,729 I work with fragmentary remains, mummified remains, 739 00:46:52,812 --> 00:46:55,523 decomposed remains, burned remains. 740 00:46:57,484 --> 00:47:01,905 Having read the affidavit written by Jerry Aswegan, 741 00:47:01,988 --> 00:47:05,241 red flags began to appear to me very quickly. 742 00:47:06,785 --> 00:47:09,913 The story that was told was that they cremated Tonka 743 00:47:09,996 --> 00:47:11,956 in a burn pile. 744 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,335 Jerry Aswegan had recovered ashes of Tonka, 745 00:47:15,418 --> 00:47:18,380 described as uniform size 746 00:47:18,463 --> 00:47:23,343 with no discernible bone fragments, and gave them to Tonia Haddix. 747 00:47:46,074 --> 00:47:49,494 These are partially fleshed pig bones and cow bones, 748 00:47:50,537 --> 00:47:54,457 We’re gonna be cremating these today in a commercial crematory. 749 00:47:54,541 --> 00:47:56,459 They’re gonna serve as a very good surrogate 750 00:47:56,543 --> 00:48:00,171 for what we would expect the bones of Tonka to look like. 751 00:48:12,517 --> 00:48:14,394 What? You asking me? 752 00:48:15,478 --> 00:48:16,938 For what, that? 753 00:48:17,355 --> 00:48:19,566 I think they said another hour. 754 00:48:36,875 --> 00:48:39,169 This is one of the larger fragments here. 755 00:48:39,252 --> 00:48:42,797 You can see that this is easily identifiable as bone. 756 00:48:42,881 --> 00:48:46,092 Most of this is actually large fragments. 757 00:48:46,176 --> 00:48:49,512 These fragments, or very similar to it, would have been found. 758 00:48:52,974 --> 00:48:54,768 So, at this point, you know, we'll go ahead 759 00:48:54,851 --> 00:48:56,061 and we'll put it in the processor. 760 00:48:57,187 --> 00:49:01,733 And that pulverizes it down into one almost consistent type of powder. 761 00:49:07,447 --> 00:49:10,950 This is what everybody thinks cremains look like. 762 00:49:11,034 --> 00:49:12,869 But as we’ve just seen, 763 00:49:12,952 --> 00:49:16,122 they don’t even begin to approximate powder 764 00:49:16,206 --> 00:49:18,291 until they’re put in the processor. 765 00:49:18,375 --> 00:49:23,588 This is what they said represented the ashes of Tonka 766 00:49:23,672 --> 00:49:25,465 and it's simply not the case. 767 00:49:29,636 --> 00:49:31,304 Is there any evidence to show 768 00:49:31,388 --> 00:49:33,640 that Tonka’s body was burned at this location? 769 00:49:34,516 --> 00:49:36,518 In my opinion, it’s inconceivable. 770 00:49:37,644 --> 00:49:41,314 At least as it’s described in the information that I’ve read. 771 00:49:41,398 --> 00:49:44,150 Did you ever explore that site? 772 00:49:44,234 --> 00:49:48,697 Was you ever asked by PETA to ever explore that site? 773 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:50,115 -No, I didn’t. -Okay. 774 00:49:50,198 --> 00:49:51,574 And I wasn’t asked. 775 00:49:51,658 --> 00:49:52,951 Okay. 776 00:49:53,034 --> 00:49:56,788 I guess after-- I guess that’s all I have for you. 777 00:49:56,871 --> 00:49:57,997 That’s it. 778 00:50:04,963 --> 00:50:07,590 Tonia Haddix often sobbed in court, 779 00:50:07,674 --> 00:50:10,677 so passionately, that the judge often had to take breaks 780 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,886 as Haddix broke down. 781 00:50:11,970 --> 00:50:15,265 A PETA lawyer told the judge Haddix refused to cooperate. 782 00:50:15,348 --> 00:50:16,725 Haddix fought back, and quote, 783 00:50:16,808 --> 00:50:19,227 “I can't provide him to you guys if he died, 784 00:50:19,310 --> 00:50:21,604 and my whole thing is, I know I talk big..." 785 00:50:25,275 --> 00:50:28,820 Alright, I am going to just cut to the chase here 786 00:50:28,903 --> 00:50:31,072 and tell you what my ruling is on this. 787 00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:36,327 There is a lot of inconsistent and implausible evidence 788 00:50:36,411 --> 00:50:38,038 presented by Miss Haddix. 789 00:50:40,081 --> 00:50:42,751 It is my belief that Miss Haddix makes things up. 790 00:50:42,834 --> 00:50:45,253 She has done that consistently throughout this case, 791 00:50:45,337 --> 00:50:48,256 and she’s doing it again here today, I believe. 792 00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:52,052 But does that convince me that Tonka is alive and she has hidden him? 793 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:55,013 No, it does not. 794 00:50:56,598 --> 00:51:00,060 When what I wanted to know is, is this chimpanzee alive or not? 795 00:51:00,143 --> 00:51:03,563 And based on all the evidence I’ve heard here today, I cannot say. 796 00:51:04,147 --> 00:51:06,399 I am certainly not declaring that he is dead. 797 00:51:06,983 --> 00:51:10,779 What I am saying is that I cannot find that he is still living, 798 00:51:10,862 --> 00:51:13,531 and so I am denying the fourth motion for contempt. 799 00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:18,370 If Mr. Goodman were to come up with actual evidence 800 00:51:18,453 --> 00:51:20,455 that Tonka is still alive, 801 00:51:20,538 --> 00:51:22,749 then I will expect they will be right back in front of me 802 00:51:22,832 --> 00:51:24,417 with another motion for contempt. 803 00:51:24,501 --> 00:51:28,088 And there’s nothing in my order here today that precludes them from doing it. 804 00:51:30,382 --> 00:51:34,594 Alright, thank you all very much. Court is in recess. 805 00:51:34,678 --> 00:51:35,929 Thank you. 806 00:51:37,472 --> 00:51:38,932 We won, guys. 807 00:51:46,564 --> 00:51:47,857 We fuckin' won. 808 00:51:49,651 --> 00:51:51,653 Yeah, but we gotta just keep him hidden. 809 00:51:58,034 --> 00:51:59,119 Hey, I won. 810 00:51:59,202 --> 00:52:00,286 Oh, yeah? 811 00:52:00,370 --> 00:52:01,996 Yes, I won. They have to leave us alone 812 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,625 unless they can get evidence that he's alive, so we won. 813 00:52:06,418 --> 00:52:07,669 Oh, my God. 814 00:52:07,752 --> 00:52:09,921 We won, Connie. 815 00:52:28,523 --> 00:52:29,691 Hi, baby.