1 00:00:12,554 --> 00:00:14,681 (phone ringing) 2 00:00:17,225 --> 00:00:18,727 (ringing stops) 3 00:00:19,352 --> 00:00:22,313 (massage chair whirring) 4 00:00:29,195 --> 00:00:32,615 -(phone ringing) -Oh my gosh. Fucking idiot. 5 00:00:32,656 --> 00:00:33,658 Hello? 6 00:00:35,076 --> 00:00:36,244 Hello? 7 00:00:38,705 --> 00:00:39,831 Hello? 8 00:00:42,459 --> 00:00:44,377 (crew member speaking) 9 00:00:44,419 --> 00:00:45,712 (chuckles) 10 00:00:45,754 --> 00:00:48,131 I’m getting them big. (laughing) 11 00:00:48,173 --> 00:00:50,967 Er, well, I-I’m really conscientious about that. 12 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:53,178 I won’t go too big 'cause I don’t want to look fake. 13 00:00:53,219 --> 00:00:55,055 I just want 'em where they’re... 14 00:00:56,848 --> 00:00:58,683 I-- what you call kissable, I guess. 15 00:00:58,725 --> 00:01:00,143 I don’t know what you want to call it, 16 00:01:00,185 --> 00:01:02,228 but I want 'em peaked up though, 17 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:04,188 'cause they look a lot better if you do. 18 00:01:14,032 --> 00:01:15,492 (phone ringing) 19 00:01:15,492 --> 00:01:18,244 But I’ve become talented over the years and can do a lot, 20 00:01:18,286 --> 00:01:20,205 but they don’t think you can. (sniffling) 21 00:01:20,246 --> 00:01:21,623 (ringing continues) 22 00:01:23,792 --> 00:01:27,087 reporter 1: Welcome back, guys. 2:46, happy Thursday. 23 00:01:27,128 --> 00:01:30,173 We’ve been talking about this, uh, really interesting case 24 00:01:30,173 --> 00:01:32,926 with the chimpanzees, and PETA, and sheriffs. 25 00:01:32,967 --> 00:01:36,012 reporter 2: What happened to celebrity chimp Tonka? 26 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:37,555 reporter 3: PETA seized the chimps 27 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:40,350 with U.S. Marshal oversight, but one was missing, 28 00:01:40,392 --> 00:01:42,185 a chimp named Tonka. 29 00:01:42,227 --> 00:01:44,854 The animal rights group PETA did not believe it. 30 00:01:44,896 --> 00:01:46,690 Missouri woman was accused of lying. 31 00:01:46,731 --> 00:01:49,234 reporter 4: Now, we have tried to reach Haddix all day, 32 00:01:49,275 --> 00:01:50,860 just before our 5 o’clock show... 33 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:53,363 (phone ringing) 34 00:01:53,405 --> 00:01:55,031 Hear that phone going off? 35 00:01:55,031 --> 00:01:58,910 That’s life every day. That gets ridiculous. 36 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:01,621 -cosmetician: Ready? -Mm-hmm, as much as I can be. 37 00:02:03,581 --> 00:02:04,624 cosmetician: Okay. 38 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:06,960 Poke. 39 00:02:10,755 --> 00:02:11,923 Tonia Haddix: It’s crazy. 40 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:14,759 To me, it’s like a "Where's Waldo?" 41 00:02:14,801 --> 00:02:17,345 And that’s what I call this saga, "Where’s Waldo?" 42 00:02:18,263 --> 00:02:21,266 (cosmetician speaking) 43 00:02:23,852 --> 00:02:25,311 Tonia: There are some people that were saying 44 00:02:25,353 --> 00:02:27,230 that I had Tonka hidden out. 45 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:29,899 Okay, where am I gonna hide a big chimpanzee? 46 00:02:30,775 --> 00:02:33,111 Some of the monkey people kind of found humor in it, 47 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:35,113 saying that he’s in a drawer someplace in my trailer. 48 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:36,740 He’s, you know, whatever, whatever. 49 00:02:36,781 --> 00:02:40,118 (curious music playing) 50 00:02:43,204 --> 00:02:46,916 PETA thinks that I’m hiding a chimpanzee away. 51 00:02:46,958 --> 00:02:50,754 I'm-- I’m the monkey mogul that’s hiding a chimpanzee, 52 00:02:50,795 --> 00:02:52,922 a famous chimpanzee away. 53 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:55,008 It’s pretty hard to hide a monkey, I would imagine. 54 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:56,634 Tonia: A chimp, uh, yeah. 55 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:00,805 -cosmetologist: Did you? -Mm-hmm. 56 00:03:02,682 --> 00:03:04,434 Hopefully, they’ll leave us alone, 57 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:06,269 but I don’t think so. 58 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:08,772 Nope, they’re assholes. 59 00:03:08,813 --> 00:03:10,607 cosmetologist: Yeah. 60 00:03:10,648 --> 00:03:12,650 (phone ringing) 61 00:03:16,154 --> 00:03:18,156 ♪♪ 62 00:03:23,661 --> 00:03:25,454 -Eric Goode: We good, guys? -crew member: Yeah. 63 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:30,460 Eric: So, we can start. So, where's Tonka? 64 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:34,005 His conditions and whereabouts are currently unknown. 65 00:03:34,047 --> 00:03:35,840 Tonia: Tonk. Woop-woop-woop! 66 00:03:35,882 --> 00:03:37,300 Are you a happy kid today? 67 00:03:37,341 --> 00:03:40,011 Brittany Peet: Tonka is an adult male chimpanzee. 68 00:03:40,053 --> 00:03:41,805 He’s in his 30s. 69 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:45,642 He would weigh in excess of a couple hundred pounds. 70 00:03:45,642 --> 00:03:48,186 He’s a stocky big guy. 71 00:03:49,062 --> 00:03:52,482 I don’t know what happened to Tonka, I really don’t. 72 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:56,820 What I know is that Tonia’s story is not true. 73 00:03:58,363 --> 00:03:59,656 Tonka was passed away. 74 00:03:59,656 --> 00:04:02,492 We had-- what happened was he, um, had-- 75 00:04:02,534 --> 00:04:03,702 had an event, 76 00:04:03,743 --> 00:04:05,829 and we're assuming it was a stroke because... 77 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:08,081 Before PETA came and took the chimps, 78 00:04:08,123 --> 00:04:09,666 Tonka was very ill. 79 00:04:09,666 --> 00:04:12,544 And it’s sad, and-and the timing sucked, 80 00:04:12,585 --> 00:04:15,005 because it was near an end of a court case. 81 00:04:15,046 --> 00:04:16,172 (cage rattling) 82 00:04:16,214 --> 00:04:17,214 Tonka! 83 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:27,434 We believe Tonka had a massive stroke. 84 00:04:28,518 --> 00:04:30,895 We already knew he had an enlarged heart. 85 00:04:30,937 --> 00:04:33,732 We did an assessment. His heart was huge. 86 00:04:34,941 --> 00:04:37,694 A certified veterinarian sent PETA 87 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:41,865 a certified statement as well as x-rays with labs, 88 00:04:41,906 --> 00:04:44,075 with everything supporting that Tonka 89 00:04:44,117 --> 00:04:46,286 was in congestive heart failure. 90 00:04:46,327 --> 00:04:48,038 The vet begged me to euthanize him. 91 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:49,456 He even stated that. 92 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:53,585 And that’s just what happened, and it’s a sad situation, 93 00:04:53,626 --> 00:04:55,253 but nothing we can do about it. 94 00:04:56,921 --> 00:04:59,382 When PETA said that they didn’t think he was dead, 95 00:04:59,382 --> 00:05:01,384 I was just like, "Oh, really? Is it just-- 96 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:02,802 "Is it time to put this to rest? 97 00:05:02,844 --> 00:05:05,096 Is it--" Why would she do that? 98 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:06,723 Tonia: You're not running very fast, boy... 99 00:05:06,765 --> 00:05:09,559 Alan Cumming: I hope, I hope, I hope he is alive. 100 00:05:09,601 --> 00:05:12,103 But if he is, where the fuck is he? 101 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:14,147 -(water lapping) -(bird whistling) 102 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:17,859 (light music playing) 103 00:05:27,118 --> 00:05:28,286 Hmm. 104 00:05:30,997 --> 00:05:33,291 -Siri: Tonia Haddix. -Tonia. Okay. 105 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:37,587 When I was first approached about the project 106 00:05:37,629 --> 00:05:39,631 and be a proxy director, 107 00:05:39,673 --> 00:05:42,676 I didn’t really have any idea what that meant. 108 00:05:44,302 --> 00:05:45,929 Even when I looked it up, 109 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:48,014 I still didn’t understand exactly. 110 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:52,769 But I definitely was a bridge. I come from the animal world. 111 00:05:52,811 --> 00:05:55,814 I know about animals. I know these animal people. 112 00:05:56,898 --> 00:05:58,775 Siri: Tonia Haddix. 113 00:05:58,817 --> 00:06:00,318 -T! -Tonia (on phone): Hey, dear. 114 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,278 So where are we? What are we up to? 115 00:06:02,278 --> 00:06:04,864 ("Everybody's Talkin'" by Harry Nilsson playing) 116 00:06:04,906 --> 00:06:08,993 ♪ Everybody's talkin' at me ♪ 117 00:06:09,035 --> 00:06:12,831 ♪ I don't hear a word they're sayin' ♪ 118 00:06:12,872 --> 00:06:14,874 ♪ Only the echoes ♪ 119 00:06:14,916 --> 00:06:17,293 -♪ Of my mind ♪ -(mooing) 120 00:06:17,335 --> 00:06:18,294 (grunting) 121 00:06:18,837 --> 00:06:20,547 Tonia: Hi, buddy. You want some grain? 122 00:06:20,588 --> 00:06:22,507 I’ll give you a little bit of grain, how 'bout that? 123 00:06:22,549 --> 00:06:24,634 Come over here. Come over here. 124 00:06:24,676 --> 00:06:26,011 Kiss. Good boy. 125 00:06:26,052 --> 00:06:27,804 Mwah, good boy. 126 00:06:27,846 --> 00:06:29,222 -(camel grunting) -Okay, tell me about it. 127 00:06:29,264 --> 00:06:32,142 Say, "I want some grain." 128 00:06:32,183 --> 00:06:34,227 We’re definitely not in Festus anymore. 129 00:06:34,269 --> 00:06:36,021 (goats bleating) 130 00:06:36,062 --> 00:06:39,899 I actually moved up to the lake in central Missouri. 131 00:06:39,941 --> 00:06:41,359 28 acres. 132 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,319 The house needs, you know, inundated, 133 00:06:43,361 --> 00:06:45,155 which we’re inundating it as we speak. 134 00:06:45,196 --> 00:06:46,489 Come on. 135 00:06:46,531 --> 00:06:49,200 And we plan to do a private petting zoo. 136 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:51,619 (chuckling) You are something else. 137 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:54,706 I’m trying to find four white ponies, 138 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:57,417 and I’m wanting to paint their mane and tails pink, 139 00:06:57,459 --> 00:06:59,753 and I want them to be like unicorns. 140 00:06:59,794 --> 00:07:02,672 I’m gonna put the heart sparkles on their butts and stuff. 141 00:07:02,714 --> 00:07:05,508 But I want it all to be glitter, so it’s gotta be blingy, 142 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:07,344 'cause blingy is my deal. 143 00:07:07,385 --> 00:07:09,346 And so, it’d be really cute. 144 00:07:09,387 --> 00:07:11,639 ♪♪ 145 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:17,312 I do have a pair of gibbons which are endangered, 146 00:07:17,354 --> 00:07:19,773 but for the most part, it’s going to strictly be out 147 00:07:19,814 --> 00:07:21,524 of the endangered stuff, 148 00:07:21,566 --> 00:07:24,694 so that we don’t have any issues, hopefully, so... 149 00:07:24,736 --> 00:07:25,904 Huh, kids? 150 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:27,280 (horse grunts) 151 00:07:30,241 --> 00:07:33,703 Tonia: I do brokering of exotic animals. 152 00:07:33,745 --> 00:07:36,414 (plucky music playing) 153 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,291 Basically, I’m the middleman. 154 00:07:38,332 --> 00:07:41,211 I can get any animal that you’re looking for, 155 00:07:41,211 --> 00:07:43,713 and I get a brokerage fee for that. 156 00:07:43,755 --> 00:07:46,800 Any baby or any animal that I broker, 157 00:07:46,841 --> 00:07:48,885 I usually transport. 158 00:07:48,927 --> 00:07:51,554 I don’t trust any other transporters, 159 00:07:51,596 --> 00:07:53,640 um, to take care of my babies. 160 00:07:55,183 --> 00:07:58,603 I buy the animal from private breeding facilities, 161 00:07:58,645 --> 00:08:00,939 and then I’ll hang onto it until it does sell. 162 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:02,774 Or, especially with this petting zoo, 163 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:04,734 if you decide you fall in love with it, 164 00:08:04,776 --> 00:08:06,653 and you keep it yourself. 165 00:08:06,695 --> 00:08:08,405 I would advertise them on Facebook, 166 00:08:08,446 --> 00:08:10,573 I would just put them on my page. 167 00:08:10,573 --> 00:08:12,909 Word of mouth has gotten me way big 168 00:08:12,951 --> 00:08:16,413 compared to what I was whenever I first started out. 169 00:08:16,454 --> 00:08:18,456 I have a lot of zoo contacts. 170 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:20,417 That's how they generate more income, 171 00:08:20,457 --> 00:08:22,293 by selling off babies. 172 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:25,338 They don't want it to be known, of course. 173 00:08:25,380 --> 00:08:28,258 There's been a lot of celebrity clients that buy. 174 00:08:28,299 --> 00:08:30,427 A full linebacker for the Cleveland Browns, 175 00:08:30,468 --> 00:08:31,928 that type stuff. 176 00:08:31,970 --> 00:08:33,763 I've dealt with all kinds of people 177 00:08:33,804 --> 00:08:35,807 whenever it comes to the exotics. 178 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,019 (caller 1 on phone speaking) 179 00:08:40,812 --> 00:08:42,647 (caller 2 speaking) 180 00:08:43,481 --> 00:08:45,108 (caller 3 speaking) 181 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:46,693 (caller 4 speaking) 182 00:08:46,735 --> 00:08:48,778 (caller 5 speaking) 183 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:50,447 -caller 6: Gimme a call back. -caller 7: Gimme a call back. 184 00:08:50,447 --> 00:08:52,282 -caller 8: Just return my call. -caller 9: Gimme a call back. 185 00:08:52,282 --> 00:08:54,034 -caller 10: Give me a call. -caller 11: Give me a call back. 186 00:08:54,075 --> 00:08:55,410 caller 12: Call me back, goodbye. 187 00:08:55,994 --> 00:08:57,912 (caller 13 calling) 188 00:08:59,247 --> 00:09:02,792 My best year of brokering monkeys, uh, so far 189 00:09:02,834 --> 00:09:04,961 has been about 350,000. 190 00:09:05,003 --> 00:09:06,296 (squeaking) 191 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:08,465 You can easily make a million dollars 192 00:09:08,506 --> 00:09:10,175 selling animals in a year’s time. 193 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:16,139 But I would trade this house and anything else that I own, 194 00:09:16,181 --> 00:09:18,892 just to be back to where we were before PETA came 195 00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:20,185 and took the kids. 196 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:23,646 (clicking tongue) 197 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:26,733 Hi, honey. Hi, boy. 198 00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:29,486 I moved to start a new life. 199 00:09:29,486 --> 00:09:32,238 That’s just my way of coping with what’s going on, 200 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,531 and the loss of the chimps, 201 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:36,701 'cause I’m really not dealing, honestly. 202 00:09:39,371 --> 00:09:40,872 Oh, tell me this is not cool. 203 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,417 These are Connie’s chimps. 204 00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:51,007 It really bothers me that they’re gone. 205 00:09:51,007 --> 00:09:53,510 Um, I like to go-- what I call home. 206 00:09:53,551 --> 00:09:54,761 I go to the facility. 207 00:09:56,346 --> 00:09:59,224 Just kind of like reconnecting with Connie. 208 00:10:00,475 --> 00:10:02,686 At first, you know, we really didn’t say a lot. 209 00:10:02,727 --> 00:10:04,771 I just looked around. 210 00:10:04,813 --> 00:10:06,731 You know, you expect to see the chimps. 211 00:10:11,194 --> 00:10:14,364 When Tonka was alive, um, he was a big greeter. 212 00:10:14,406 --> 00:10:18,535 Um, so it-- it was tough, to be honest with you. 213 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:20,954 Of course, a lot of tears. A lot of tears. 214 00:10:21,913 --> 00:10:24,082 Tonky, can you wave? Good boy. 215 00:10:24,124 --> 00:10:26,292 Can you show me your goggles? 216 00:10:26,334 --> 00:10:28,336 Tonka, that kid. 217 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:33,091 Anybody that ever met Tonka will tell you that chimp 218 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:36,219 is the most amazing chimp in this whole entire world. 219 00:10:36,261 --> 00:10:38,388 And I know a lot of other people that own chimps 220 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:40,390 will say, "No, my kid was the most amazing." 221 00:10:40,432 --> 00:10:41,975 No. 222 00:10:42,017 --> 00:10:45,854 He was the most amazing chimp you could ever run across. 223 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:50,233 He greets you by sticking out his tongue. 224 00:10:50,233 --> 00:10:53,570 He doesn’t have a mean bone in his body. 225 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:56,531 His eyes are so, like they-- you just melt with him. 226 00:10:57,991 --> 00:10:59,617 He had me from the word "hello." 227 00:11:01,870 --> 00:11:03,580 He did movies his whole entire life 228 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:05,623 from the time he was, like, six months old on. 229 00:11:07,292 --> 00:11:09,419 You got a problem, sweetie? 230 00:11:09,419 --> 00:11:10,920 Tonia: So, Tonka was a humanzee-- 231 00:11:10,962 --> 00:11:13,423 half human, half chimpanzee-- 232 00:11:13,465 --> 00:11:15,633 because we put the human side into him, 233 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:16,968 and he was a chimpanzee. 234 00:11:17,844 --> 00:11:19,012 Want to give me a kiss? 235 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:22,599 If I cried, he’d wipe the tear from my face, 236 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,100 because he didn’t want you to cry. 237 00:11:24,142 --> 00:11:26,519 Or he’d reach out and pat the back of my head 238 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:28,021 and kiss my forehead. 239 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:30,607 Whatcha doing? 240 00:11:30,607 --> 00:11:32,400 Sometimes I’d see him masturbating. 241 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:35,653 But he was always, uh, tactful with it, 242 00:11:35,695 --> 00:11:37,030 'cause he always took his blanket, 243 00:11:37,072 --> 00:11:38,823 and he would always do it under the blanket. 244 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:41,451 And I’d say, "Tonka, knock it off," 245 00:11:41,493 --> 00:11:42,786 and then he’d come over there-- 246 00:11:42,827 --> 00:11:44,412 (Dwayne speaking) 247 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:46,873 Yeah. 248 00:11:53,421 --> 00:11:55,465 Alan: So, this is a sequence from "Buddy." 249 00:11:55,507 --> 00:11:59,010 Oh, there’s Tonka, wearing roller skates. 250 00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:00,553 How do you know that’s Tonka? 251 00:12:00,595 --> 00:12:02,472 -I just recognize him. -Oh, so you can? 252 00:12:02,514 --> 00:12:04,140 -Yeah. -Wow. 253 00:12:04,182 --> 00:12:05,600 (Alan chuckles) 254 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,144 Eric: You know real chimps in films can't happen again. 255 00:12:08,186 --> 00:12:11,022 Alan: No. No. Never. 256 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,234 And do you worry that people 257 00:12:14,275 --> 00:12:16,903 are gonna accuse you of being a hypocrite? 258 00:12:16,945 --> 00:12:20,699 Well, I don’t worry about it. It’s true. I mean, if you-- 259 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,992 But that’s 30 years ago, and I, I have changed, 260 00:12:23,034 --> 00:12:25,745 and the world has changed, and I freely, um, 261 00:12:26,663 --> 00:12:29,165 you know, think they’re, uh, th-- they're right. 262 00:12:29,207 --> 00:12:33,003 But I’m standing here to say that I was-- felt very lucky 263 00:12:33,044 --> 00:12:35,672 to have that experience, but I realize now 264 00:12:35,672 --> 00:12:38,591 that it was not in the animal's interests. 265 00:12:38,633 --> 00:12:40,635 (chimp chittering on film) 266 00:12:45,598 --> 00:12:48,184 That’s his handprint on-- that red bit. 267 00:12:48,226 --> 00:12:51,229 And there’s a scene in the film where he’s painting. 268 00:12:52,522 --> 00:12:54,524 I finished "Buddy" and I went straight to Europe 269 00:12:54,566 --> 00:12:57,694 to make this really depressing film in Budapest. 270 00:12:57,736 --> 00:13:00,030 My friend Caroline, who directed "Buddy"-- 271 00:13:00,071 --> 00:13:01,865 so I said, "Oh, I’m having a terrible time." 272 00:13:01,906 --> 00:13:03,366 One day, she sent this picture, 273 00:13:03,408 --> 00:13:05,285 and I sort of had that on my wall in Budapest 274 00:13:05,326 --> 00:13:07,579 for all those months when I was making this crazy film. 275 00:13:09,164 --> 00:13:11,458 It’s hard to describe how you have 276 00:13:11,499 --> 00:13:14,377 a connection with an animal, you know, or, or a human. 277 00:13:14,377 --> 00:13:16,755 Like, it’s-- you just-- something happens. 278 00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:20,425 But ultimately, it is not a child, 279 00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:22,218 and it’s not a human, 280 00:13:22,218 --> 00:13:23,845 It is a wild animal. 281 00:13:27,098 --> 00:13:30,935 Tonia: See, this is a crazy, crazy animal house. 282 00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:34,064 Hi! Katie, Katie, Katie. 283 00:13:34,105 --> 00:13:36,399 This is my baby I raised. Her name’s Katie. 284 00:13:36,441 --> 00:13:38,276 She says, "I want my bottle, Mom." 285 00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:40,320 (quirky music playing) 286 00:13:47,118 --> 00:13:49,329 I’m not a big TV person. 287 00:13:49,371 --> 00:13:51,247 I’m not a big social media person. 288 00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:53,833 But it’s funny because, you know what they call me? 289 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:57,587 "Monkey mogul accused of faking death 290 00:13:57,629 --> 00:14:00,006 of famous chimpanzee." 291 00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:01,841 It cracks me up 'cause I’m like, 292 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:04,594 "Okay, first of all, I’m not a monkey mogul." 293 00:14:04,636 --> 00:14:07,847 (chuckles) I'm not. Secondly is, is um, 294 00:14:07,889 --> 00:14:10,600 faking the death of a chimp, okay? 295 00:14:10,642 --> 00:14:12,185 For what, what good reason? 296 00:14:12,227 --> 00:14:14,979 I mean, I’m trying to-- I want PETA to explain to me. 297 00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:19,359 What, what good would it do for me to fake Tonka’s death? 298 00:14:19,401 --> 00:14:21,820 Okay, I know for a fact 299 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:24,280 that PETA would never quit hounding you. 300 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,325 So, you wouldn’t be able to get to keep Tonka yourself. 301 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:30,370 So why-- I mean, what would be the real reason 302 00:14:30,412 --> 00:14:32,997 behind faking Tonka’s death? 303 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,709 Because it serves no purpose for me. 304 00:14:38,003 --> 00:14:40,463 reporter: Joining us now is Jared Goodman. 305 00:14:40,505 --> 00:14:43,550 He’s been litigating this case since its inception. 306 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:46,720 Brittany: She has offered to let PETA search her house. 307 00:14:46,761 --> 00:14:48,763 (Tonia speaking) 308 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,517 reporter: But you haven’t taken her up on that offer. 309 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:55,145 Jared Goodman: There’s no reason for us to believe 310 00:14:55,186 --> 00:14:56,980 that Tonka is in her home. 311 00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:59,149 She lives somewhere that, to our knowledge, 312 00:14:59,190 --> 00:15:02,152 doesn’t have an enclosure for a chimpanzee. 313 00:15:02,152 --> 00:15:05,196 Tonka is an adult and a dangerous chimpanzee. 314 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:06,489 He wouldn’t just, you know, 315 00:15:06,531 --> 00:15:09,743 simply be living in the house like a child. 316 00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:15,540 Chimpanzees are unquestionably quite cute when they’re young. 317 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:19,502 But because adult chimpanzees in particular are so strong, 318 00:15:19,502 --> 00:15:22,172 they are incredibly dangerous to humans. 319 00:15:22,172 --> 00:15:24,299 -(cage rattling) -(panting) 320 00:15:24,883 --> 00:15:26,885 They require specialized enclosures. 321 00:15:27,552 --> 00:15:29,387 (screeching) 322 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:32,349 They just have so much power, 323 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:35,685 it is so easy for them to harm a human being, 324 00:15:36,603 --> 00:15:39,939 as we’ve seen with arguably the most infamous 325 00:15:39,981 --> 00:15:42,525 animal attack of all time. 326 00:15:42,567 --> 00:15:44,402 The chimpanzee Travis. 327 00:15:48,323 --> 00:15:51,201 Trav, Trav! Come here! Come here! 328 00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:53,244 Put your legs around my neck. Put 'em around my neck. 329 00:15:53,286 --> 00:15:56,373 Put 'em around my neck. Give me a big kiss. 330 00:15:56,414 --> 00:15:57,624 Come here. 331 00:15:57,665 --> 00:15:59,709 (phone line ringing) 332 00:15:59,751 --> 00:16:01,753 (ominous music playing) 333 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:05,256 operator (on phone): Stamford 911, what's your emergency? 334 00:16:07,592 --> 00:16:09,594 (Travis screeching in background) 335 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:12,806 operator: What’s the problem there? 336 00:16:15,850 --> 00:16:17,143 operator: Who's killing your friend? 337 00:16:18,770 --> 00:16:20,063 (music fades out) 338 00:16:20,105 --> 00:16:22,941 -(ocean waves crashing) -(seagulls cawing) 339 00:16:29,531 --> 00:16:30,865 (birds squawking) 340 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:42,669 Kerri DeBlasi: My father was married four times, 341 00:16:42,711 --> 00:16:44,295 and she was wife number two. 342 00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:47,007 That’s it. Oh, here we go. 343 00:16:47,048 --> 00:16:49,676 Yeah. Isn’t that cool? 344 00:16:49,718 --> 00:16:51,469 That's a nice find. 345 00:16:51,511 --> 00:16:53,930 There was so much negative news on TV 346 00:16:53,972 --> 00:16:57,142 and in the papers about Sandy and Travis. 347 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:58,852 And I would just bite my tongue, 348 00:16:58,893 --> 00:17:00,520 you know, just not say anything. 349 00:17:01,646 --> 00:17:04,107 I just want people to know the truth, 350 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,734 because there was so much bullshit. 351 00:17:08,862 --> 00:17:10,655 Sandy was funny as hell. 352 00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:13,324 She really made me laugh. 353 00:17:13,366 --> 00:17:15,660 She was a lot of fun to be around. 354 00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:21,165 One day, she told me that she’s gonna get a chimpanzee. 355 00:17:22,334 --> 00:17:25,462 And I said, "Where is she gonna get that from?" 356 00:17:25,462 --> 00:17:27,047 And she said, oh, she knows this lady. 357 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:30,216 I think her name was Connie, and she was out in Missouri. 358 00:17:30,258 --> 00:17:31,968 (kids exclaiming) 359 00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:35,305 reporter: Connie Casey, who owns a company called Chimparty, 360 00:17:35,347 --> 00:17:37,557 she’s also in the business of breeding 361 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:40,060 and selling chimpanzees as pets. 362 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:43,188 Kerri: And she said she’s gonna fly out to Missouri, 363 00:17:43,229 --> 00:17:44,647 get this chimp. 364 00:17:44,689 --> 00:17:46,066 40,000 bucks. 365 00:17:47,317 --> 00:17:49,402 She went out and came home with Travis. 366 00:17:50,779 --> 00:17:54,491 Cutest baby you ever saw. Really was. 367 00:17:54,532 --> 00:17:56,576 Sandy Herold: What are you doing, huh, Travis? 368 00:17:56,618 --> 00:17:58,661 Give me a kiss. (kissing noise) 369 00:17:58,703 --> 00:18:00,330 That's it, squeeze it out. 370 00:18:00,372 --> 00:18:02,540 Squeeze it. That’s a boy. 371 00:18:02,582 --> 00:18:04,250 I love you. 372 00:18:04,292 --> 00:18:06,044 Pedal, pedal, pedal! 373 00:18:06,086 --> 00:18:08,254 Pedal, that’s a good boy. Hurry up, yay! 374 00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:09,839 Go get her, Trav. 375 00:18:09,881 --> 00:18:11,883 (laughing) 376 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:15,762 Nadina Truini: I remember Sandy saying to me, 377 00:18:15,804 --> 00:18:17,430 "Don’t you love this little shit? 378 00:18:17,472 --> 00:18:19,599 He’s so cute, isn’t he?" (laughs) 379 00:18:19,641 --> 00:18:21,393 Give me some. Give me-- oh! 380 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:24,062 Sandy: Oh, that's nice. Make an alky out of him. 381 00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:28,024 Kerri: Travis was like any other person in our family. 382 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:30,443 He was just the one that couldn't talk. 383 00:18:30,485 --> 00:18:34,406 Sandy was his mom, and Jerry was his dad. 384 00:18:34,447 --> 00:18:37,617 Sandy: Travis, go see Daddy. Go ahead, hurry up. 385 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:40,036 (urinating) 386 00:18:40,036 --> 00:18:42,372 They trained him to use the potty. 387 00:18:42,414 --> 00:18:43,707 (toilet flushing) 388 00:18:43,707 --> 00:18:45,542 He knew how to use the microwave. 389 00:18:45,583 --> 00:18:48,878 He would cook for himself and eat his snacks. 390 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,464 Sandy: We'll have to call his grandmother Connie up 391 00:18:51,506 --> 00:18:54,217 and tell her how to feed the rest of the chimps. 392 00:18:54,259 --> 00:18:56,886 Kerri: They taught him how to drive. 393 00:18:56,928 --> 00:18:58,096 He could steer. 394 00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,056 He knew which one was the gas pedal. 395 00:19:00,098 --> 00:19:02,976 Any time you opened the car door, he would jump in. 396 00:19:03,018 --> 00:19:05,395 He loved to go for a ride. 397 00:19:05,395 --> 00:19:07,272 They went everywhere with Travis, 398 00:19:07,313 --> 00:19:10,817 and he was never lonely, and neither was Sandy. 399 00:19:10,859 --> 00:19:12,485 So, it was perfect. 400 00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:19,117 Nadina: Sandy and Jerry built a towing business 401 00:19:19,159 --> 00:19:21,619 from the ground up called Desire Me Motors. 402 00:19:23,788 --> 00:19:25,457 And Travis became the mascot. 403 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:31,421 Kerri: The police were always in there. 404 00:19:31,421 --> 00:19:34,883 They were good friends with all the police department. 405 00:19:36,384 --> 00:19:38,261 Frank Chiafari: When I used to do traffic, 406 00:19:38,303 --> 00:19:41,264 it would be a common sight to see Travis. 407 00:19:41,306 --> 00:19:45,143 He'd be waving to you, had a big smile on his face. 408 00:19:45,185 --> 00:19:48,271 And sometimes they would pull up next to me, 409 00:19:48,313 --> 00:19:51,316 and I would play with him. I loved him. 410 00:19:53,985 --> 00:19:55,362 Sandy: Throw it to Dad. 411 00:19:55,403 --> 00:19:57,322 Jerry Herold: Give me the ball. Give it to me. Hey! 412 00:19:57,364 --> 00:19:59,032 Sandy: Trav! 413 00:19:59,074 --> 00:20:01,159 Kerri: They went everywhere with Travis. 414 00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:03,495 And everybody wanted to meet him. 415 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:05,830 Maury Povich, he met, 416 00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:08,124 and Sheryl Crow. 417 00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:11,127 There was a TV commercial with Morgan Fairchild. 418 00:20:11,169 --> 00:20:12,712 Morgan Fairchild: We've been rescued. 419 00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:14,297 From high prices. 420 00:20:14,339 --> 00:20:17,050 Old Navy. Now, that's a great discovery. 421 00:20:17,092 --> 00:20:19,803 He was just everywhere, and everyone knew him. 422 00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:21,012 Everyone knew Travis. 423 00:20:24,474 --> 00:20:27,185 This was when he got so-- so big. 424 00:20:28,937 --> 00:20:31,314 It’s like a, a toddler that gets big, 425 00:20:31,314 --> 00:20:34,359 and you can’t control him, and he’s a pain in the ass. 426 00:20:34,401 --> 00:20:35,819 You'd tell him to stop doing something. 427 00:20:35,819 --> 00:20:37,487 If he didn’t feel like stopping, he wasn’t gonna, 428 00:20:37,529 --> 00:20:39,739 so it was like, "Knock it off," you know? 429 00:20:41,324 --> 00:20:43,076 When Travis was about six or seven, 430 00:20:43,118 --> 00:20:44,994 is when Sandy started realizing 431 00:20:45,036 --> 00:20:47,706 that he was a little more than she could handle. 432 00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:53,044 But that was her son, so she was going to make it work. 433 00:20:54,045 --> 00:20:56,715 She just kept pretending that everything was fine. 434 00:20:57,340 --> 00:20:58,883 (distant sirens wailing) 435 00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:01,177 reporter: A chimp in diapers. 436 00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:05,223 Travis, all 170 pounds of him, leaped from his owner's SUV. 437 00:21:05,974 --> 00:21:07,183 (dramatic music playing) 438 00:21:07,225 --> 00:21:08,435 For several hours, 439 00:21:08,476 --> 00:21:10,687 he commandeered the intersection, 440 00:21:10,729 --> 00:21:12,272 causing residents of the neighborhood 441 00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:15,025 to be ordered back into their homes. 442 00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:18,236 He was running around the street, spanking people, 443 00:21:18,278 --> 00:21:20,363 and it was kind of humorous at the time. 444 00:21:20,405 --> 00:21:21,865 reporter 1: Travis the chimp played 445 00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:24,159 in the middle of the street, rolled on his back. 446 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,078 reporter 2: Two hours later, Travis decided he’d had enough, 447 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,913 and came back to his owner. 448 00:21:30,457 --> 00:21:32,876 Kerri: Sandy said he wanted ice cream. 449 00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:36,046 That’s how they got him back into the car, ultimately. 450 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:37,547 reporter: Isn't this the way the movie 451 00:21:37,589 --> 00:21:39,799 "The Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" started? 452 00:21:39,841 --> 00:21:42,469 "Take your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!" 453 00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:44,387 ♪♪ 454 00:21:44,429 --> 00:21:46,222 (music fades out) 455 00:21:46,264 --> 00:21:49,559 Kerri: After that, the laws changed in Connecticut. 456 00:21:49,601 --> 00:21:51,728 They called it the Travis Amendment. 457 00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:54,898 If anyone had a primate that was 50 pounds or more, 458 00:21:54,939 --> 00:21:57,567 they had to have a permit. 459 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:59,694 But they never enforced it. 460 00:22:02,113 --> 00:22:06,743 Sandy was warned by the mayor this cannot happen again, 461 00:22:06,785 --> 00:22:08,912 or there will be serious repercussions. 462 00:22:09,371 --> 00:22:11,081 (solemn music playing) 463 00:22:11,122 --> 00:22:15,168 After the incident, Travis was confined to the house. 464 00:22:16,711 --> 00:22:18,213 Hadn't been to the shop. 465 00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:22,133 Hadn't been for a car ride. 466 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:25,178 Everything was being brought into the home now for Travis. 467 00:22:26,471 --> 00:22:30,308 He went from being the famous chimp 468 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:32,102 to the unseen chimp. 469 00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:33,770 (music fades out) 470 00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:36,606 -What do you want me to do? -(softly whimpering) 471 00:22:36,648 --> 00:22:38,692 Alright, we're gonna go do something in a few minutes. 472 00:22:38,733 --> 00:22:41,820 -Wait a couple minutes. -(Travis chittering) 473 00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:47,784 Sandy: Let him eat, Trav. 474 00:22:47,784 --> 00:22:50,453 Kerri: He was just stuck home and not be able to say, 475 00:22:50,495 --> 00:22:52,205 "Hey, take me with you," or "Please, don't go. 476 00:22:52,247 --> 00:22:54,624 Please don't leave me here." 477 00:22:54,666 --> 00:22:55,667 I had an owie, there, look. 478 00:22:55,709 --> 00:22:57,127 Sandy: Look, check Daddy's owie out. 479 00:22:57,168 --> 00:22:58,628 Check the owie. Which one? 480 00:22:58,628 --> 00:23:01,381 Nadina: Roughly a year after the incident 481 00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:03,550 in downtown Stamford, 482 00:23:03,591 --> 00:23:06,386 Jerry had suddenly become sick. 483 00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:10,306 He was rushed to the hospital, 484 00:23:10,348 --> 00:23:13,143 and was diagnosed with stomach cancer. 485 00:23:13,184 --> 00:23:15,979 Sandy: That's the one, yeah! 486 00:23:16,021 --> 00:23:17,731 Nadina: He never returned home. 487 00:23:19,232 --> 00:23:21,651 (somber music playing) 488 00:23:21,651 --> 00:23:25,196 After Jerry died, Travis was very despondent 489 00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:28,366 and heartbroken, just as Sandy was. 490 00:23:34,748 --> 00:23:38,168 Kerri: The house at that point started looking very different 491 00:23:38,209 --> 00:23:40,879 than when Jerry was alive. 492 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,381 Sandy would go on a lot of shopping sprees. 493 00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:47,177 It made her happy to buy things for herself 494 00:23:47,177 --> 00:23:48,470 and things for Travis. 495 00:23:50,889 --> 00:23:54,100 But Travis was still very depressed. 496 00:23:55,143 --> 00:23:58,605 He was rocking back and forth, and he did it all day. 497 00:23:59,981 --> 00:24:01,608 I would try to talk to him and I’d say, 498 00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:03,693 "Travis, it’s okay." 499 00:24:03,693 --> 00:24:06,196 You know, I would, like, just try to distract him. 500 00:24:06,196 --> 00:24:09,366 And he would stop for a minute and just look at me, 501 00:24:09,407 --> 00:24:11,743 and then he would go right back to rocking. 502 00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:16,039 What are you doing? You got so big. 503 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:17,415 You're a big boy now. 504 00:24:19,084 --> 00:24:22,629 One day, Sandy said to me, "Hey, why don’t you bring 505 00:24:22,671 --> 00:24:25,006 your sons over to play with Travis?" 506 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:28,385 My son, Tony, he’s over six feet tall 507 00:24:28,426 --> 00:24:29,803 and he’s a big guy. 508 00:24:29,844 --> 00:24:32,597 You wanna come play, Travis? You wanna come play? 509 00:24:32,639 --> 00:24:34,724 -(Travis huffing) -Yes, you do! 510 00:24:34,766 --> 00:24:36,559 (laughter) 511 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,603 Sandy: Yeah, put your pants on first. 512 00:24:38,645 --> 00:24:39,604 Put your pants on. 513 00:24:40,605 --> 00:24:43,316 Here, put your pants on. Put your pants on, here. 514 00:24:43,358 --> 00:24:46,319 Kerri: He gives you his foot. Aw, he's a good boy. 515 00:24:46,361 --> 00:24:48,405 Sandy: Okay, okay. Now, give Kerri a kiss. 516 00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:50,281 Kerri: Aw, he can check out your feet. 517 00:24:50,323 --> 00:24:51,741 Tony: Oh, the shoe's going... 518 00:24:51,741 --> 00:24:53,827 -(Kerri laughing) -I lost my shoe privileges. 519 00:24:53,868 --> 00:24:56,329 Kerri: Travis grabbed Tony’s boot. 520 00:24:56,371 --> 00:24:58,748 He wanted Tony to chase him. 521 00:24:58,790 --> 00:25:01,292 So, Sandy said, "Chase him, Tony, chase him." 522 00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:02,669 Sandy: You're a big kid! 523 00:25:02,711 --> 00:25:05,463 Tony: He’s a roughhouser. He likes to roughhouse. 524 00:25:05,505 --> 00:25:08,341 See, look at this, look it. He has a smile on his face. 525 00:25:08,383 --> 00:25:11,845 -Kerri: Get him, Tone, go ahead. -Sandy: Easy! Easy! Hey! Hey! 526 00:25:11,886 --> 00:25:13,513 Tony: Chill, chill. Get him off. 527 00:25:13,555 --> 00:25:15,181 Sandy: Trav! Trav. 528 00:25:15,223 --> 00:25:16,850 That's enough, that's enough. 529 00:25:16,891 --> 00:25:19,519 -(ominous music playing) -(Travis huffing) 530 00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:21,563 ♪♪ 531 00:25:25,817 --> 00:25:29,320 And I was like, oh, shit. Look at that, man. 532 00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:31,364 (music fades out) 533 00:25:33,408 --> 00:25:37,120 Nadina: February 16, 2009, 534 00:25:37,162 --> 00:25:39,289 Sandy and I had plans, 535 00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:41,624 actually for three o’clock that day. 536 00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:45,462 She called me and she said, "I’m gonna be a little late. 537 00:25:45,503 --> 00:25:47,505 "I’m having problems with Trav. 538 00:25:47,881 --> 00:25:51,468 I-- He doesn’t want-- he wants to go for a ride." 539 00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,011 And now, he took the keys. 540 00:25:54,012 --> 00:25:55,847 (phone line ringing) 541 00:25:55,889 --> 00:25:58,099 Charla Nash had called at that moment. 542 00:25:59,225 --> 00:26:02,645 Charla would babysit Travis when needed. 543 00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:05,482 She knew him since he was a little itty-bitty 544 00:26:05,482 --> 00:26:08,193 when he first came to Stamford, Connecticut. 545 00:26:09,736 --> 00:26:13,198 Charla was gonna come over and help her get Travis in. 546 00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:15,533 (ominous music playing) 547 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,079 Kerri: When Charla arrived, 548 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,914 Travis was right in the driveway 549 00:26:20,955 --> 00:26:23,166 when she got out of her car. 550 00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:26,336 She did have an Elmo doll that she had picked up. 551 00:26:26,378 --> 00:26:29,172 Travis was a big fan of Elmo. 552 00:26:29,214 --> 00:26:30,590 She thought this is the best thing, 553 00:26:30,632 --> 00:26:32,717 to show him Elmo, he'll be happy. 554 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:34,844 And instead... 555 00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:37,013 it was horrific. 556 00:26:37,055 --> 00:26:39,057 (Travis screeching) 557 00:26:39,724 --> 00:26:41,226 (screaming) 558 00:26:41,685 --> 00:26:43,895 operator: What is the monkey doing? Tell me what the monkey's-- 559 00:26:45,271 --> 00:26:46,773 operator: He ripped her face off? 560 00:26:47,065 --> 00:26:48,066 Sandy: He tried-- 561 00:26:50,443 --> 00:26:51,861 operator: Is the monkey still by your friend, 562 00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:53,113 or can you get close to your friend? 563 00:26:55,573 --> 00:26:56,741 Sandy: Please. 564 00:26:57,659 --> 00:26:59,035 operator: Okay, I need you to calm down for me. 565 00:26:59,077 --> 00:27:00,912 I know it's hard, okay? I know it's hard. 566 00:27:08,712 --> 00:27:10,296 (dispatcher continues indistinctly) 567 00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:13,717 I remember on my radio comes a call. 568 00:27:13,758 --> 00:27:16,302 And at first, I’m like, "Monkey?" 569 00:27:20,598 --> 00:27:23,810 Frank: And I wait a minute, I go, "This is the chimp." 570 00:27:23,852 --> 00:27:26,438 (dispatcher speaking) 571 00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:35,447 Frank: I get up. It’s a long driveway. 572 00:27:35,655 --> 00:27:37,449 (Sandy speaking) 573 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:45,165 Frank: I see Sandra. 574 00:27:45,206 --> 00:27:47,834 She’s trying to stab the thing with a little knife in the back, 575 00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:48,960 trying to get it. 576 00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:51,629 (Sandy speaking) 577 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,261 (overlapping chatter) 578 00:27:58,303 --> 00:28:01,097 Frank: Now, the chimp turns around and looks at me. 579 00:28:01,097 --> 00:28:04,642 So, he comes over to my car and he starts shaking the car. 580 00:28:04,684 --> 00:28:06,603 (overlapping chatter continues on phone) 581 00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:08,021 (Travis screeching) 582 00:28:08,063 --> 00:28:09,981 Like "Jurassic Park," if you remember when 583 00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:11,524 in the movie, when the thing was shaking, 584 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:12,942 that’s what was happening. 585 00:28:12,984 --> 00:28:15,320 This thing had so much power and strength. 586 00:28:15,362 --> 00:28:17,155 (car rattling) 587 00:28:18,281 --> 00:28:20,784 I’m not ashamed to admit I was frightened. 588 00:28:20,825 --> 00:28:22,786 And I took the gun out. 589 00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:24,662 If he tries to get me, I'm-- I have to-- 590 00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:26,623 I have no choice. I have to kill him. 591 00:28:26,664 --> 00:28:28,958 (police radio chatter) 592 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,628 He pulls around and he comes to my door. 593 00:28:32,587 --> 00:28:35,173 And I’m looking at him. We’re looking at each other. 594 00:28:35,215 --> 00:28:36,675 He pulls the door right off. 595 00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:39,302 (dark, ominous music playing) 596 00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:41,346 And then he raises his hands up. 597 00:28:43,014 --> 00:28:44,391 And he growls. 598 00:28:45,642 --> 00:28:48,186 All I see are these big teeth with blood dripping. 599 00:28:49,437 --> 00:28:51,481 He gave me a second, and I tell people, 600 00:28:51,523 --> 00:28:53,358 I swear this is true. 601 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,860 I didn’t hear it, but it was like a connection. 602 00:28:55,902 --> 00:28:58,905 And he said to me, "Please do it." 603 00:28:59,948 --> 00:29:01,533 Like, "I can’t take it anymore." 604 00:29:01,574 --> 00:29:02,992 -(Travis screeching) -(Sandy speaking) 605 00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:04,244 Frank: Sandra, stay in your car. 606 00:29:04,285 --> 00:29:06,037 -(gunshots) -Sandy: Shoot him! 607 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:07,038 (Travis screams) 608 00:29:13,336 --> 00:29:16,381 He still didn’t go down, and he just looked at me. 609 00:29:17,882 --> 00:29:20,260 And then, he ran back into the house. 610 00:29:20,677 --> 00:29:21,928 ♪♪ 611 00:29:22,554 --> 00:29:23,847 (Sandy speaking) 612 00:29:28,268 --> 00:29:30,729 ♪♪ 613 00:29:31,271 --> 00:29:35,608 Frank: He ran into his cage. And that was it. 614 00:29:37,569 --> 00:29:39,237 (police officer speaking) 615 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:46,953 Frank: After he went in the house, I got out. 616 00:29:46,995 --> 00:29:50,415 And I saw Charla on the ground. 617 00:29:50,457 --> 00:29:53,043 I couldn't really see any injuries yet at this point. 618 00:29:53,084 --> 00:29:54,753 I just saw her body there. 619 00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:57,589 And the ambulance who was waiting up the block 620 00:29:57,630 --> 00:30:00,842 were allowed to come in now to take her out. 621 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:08,099 -(somber music playing) -(sirens wailing) 622 00:30:08,141 --> 00:30:10,602 Frank: It was a horrendous, terrible scene. 623 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:13,229 What he did to her. 624 00:30:13,646 --> 00:30:16,441 Sandy: That’s Charlie. And she was feeding Travis. 625 00:30:16,483 --> 00:30:18,068 reporter 1: They knew each other well. 626 00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:21,488 Travis the chimp and his victim, Charla Nash. 627 00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:25,658 The injuries so devastating, at first, emergency responders 628 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:27,786 couldn’t tell if she was a man or a woman. 629 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:31,289 reporter 2: Nash lost her eyes, her nose, the jaw. 630 00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:33,375 (Charla Nash speaking) 631 00:30:41,966 --> 00:30:43,259 attorney: Following an investigation 632 00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:45,136 by the Stamford Police Department, 633 00:30:45,178 --> 00:30:48,640 based on the evidence presented at this time, 634 00:30:48,682 --> 00:30:51,976 no criminal prosecution is warranted in this case. 635 00:30:53,478 --> 00:30:57,440 No one made Mrs. Herold aware in any way 636 00:30:57,482 --> 00:31:01,152 of the risk entailed in keeping the chimpanzee. 637 00:31:03,655 --> 00:31:05,782 She told me not to tell anyone. 638 00:31:05,782 --> 00:31:09,452 She said if the police that day had made her strip down 639 00:31:09,494 --> 00:31:11,287 and looked at her body, 640 00:31:11,329 --> 00:31:13,665 they would have seen her covered in bruises. 641 00:31:14,749 --> 00:31:15,959 Sandy: Trav, give Kerri a kiss. 642 00:31:16,001 --> 00:31:19,170 Give her a kiss. Listen, Trav. 643 00:31:21,256 --> 00:31:23,800 Travis was a ticking time bomb. 644 00:31:23,842 --> 00:31:25,135 She overlooked that, 645 00:31:25,176 --> 00:31:26,886 because she was thinking about herself. 646 00:31:26,928 --> 00:31:28,304 ♪♪ 647 00:31:28,346 --> 00:31:30,015 (music fades out) 648 00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:32,142 speaker (on TV): This is Maggie Klein, 649 00:31:32,183 --> 00:31:34,310 and this dashing fellow is called Joe Mende. 650 00:31:34,352 --> 00:31:36,938 Tonia: Oh, Mr. Tonka. 651 00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:39,024 He is such a cute little man. 652 00:31:40,191 --> 00:31:43,528 (laughing) Tonka's like, "What?" 653 00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:45,530 (laughing) 654 00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:49,492 Jared: The issue of captive-bred chimps 655 00:31:49,534 --> 00:31:53,496 like Travis and Tonka has been on PETA's radar for decades. 656 00:31:53,538 --> 00:31:56,332 To understand how they got into this situation, 657 00:31:56,332 --> 00:31:58,251 you have to go back to 1973. 658 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,420 Richard Nixon: This is the most far-reaching 659 00:32:00,462 --> 00:32:02,839 and comprehensive message on conservation 660 00:32:02,881 --> 00:32:04,341 ever submitted to the Congress 661 00:32:04,341 --> 00:32:05,884 by a President of the United States. 662 00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:08,887 Jared: The Endangered Species Act was signed into law 663 00:32:08,928 --> 00:32:11,222 to protect species on the verge of extinction. 664 00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:14,059 Wild chimpanzees were protected, 665 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,561 but those who were held in captivity were left out 666 00:32:16,603 --> 00:32:18,438 to allow for their continued use 667 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,399 in laboratories, zoos, and for entertainment. 668 00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:23,735 -I forgot, I gotta burp you. -(audience laughing) 669 00:32:23,777 --> 00:32:25,779 (applause) 670 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:28,239 Jared: With the lawful pipeline for wild chimpanzees 671 00:32:28,281 --> 00:32:30,033 closed in the United States, 672 00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:32,619 breeders like Connie Casey flourished. 673 00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:34,537 reporter: There are currently 18 chimpanzees 674 00:32:34,537 --> 00:32:36,414 living in Connie and Mike’s home. 675 00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:40,877 A baby chimp going price right now is about $65,000. 676 00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:42,712 Jared: Advocacy groups like PETA 677 00:32:42,754 --> 00:32:44,422 have worked to expand their protections. 678 00:32:44,464 --> 00:32:45,882 Angelica Huston: Using great apes 679 00:32:45,924 --> 00:32:48,385 causes a lifetime of suffering. 680 00:32:48,426 --> 00:32:50,637 Don’t use great apes in your work. 681 00:32:50,679 --> 00:32:53,390 Jared: And in 2015, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 682 00:32:53,431 --> 00:32:55,809 finally declared that all chimpanzees 683 00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:57,310 were fully protected. 684 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:03,400 But even now, due to limited resources or interest, 685 00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:05,443 the government rarely enforces the law 686 00:33:05,485 --> 00:33:06,861 for captive animals. 687 00:33:08,613 --> 00:33:10,824 That’s really where PETA and our legal team 688 00:33:10,865 --> 00:33:12,992 is able to step in to help fill the gap. 689 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,412 The closure of a controversial zoo in Horry County. 690 00:33:15,453 --> 00:33:16,663 reporter 1: PETA filed a lawsuit. .. 691 00:33:16,705 --> 00:33:18,081 reporter 2: Eighteen violations... 692 00:33:18,123 --> 00:33:19,499 reporter 3: Inadequate primate housing... 693 00:33:19,541 --> 00:33:21,334 reporter 4: The River Zoo in Roswell... 694 00:33:21,376 --> 00:33:23,503 reporter 5: The zoo will be permanently closed. 695 00:33:23,545 --> 00:33:25,505 reporter 6: PETA is putting its foot down. 696 00:33:25,547 --> 00:33:27,632 Jared: But there are likely many more chimpanzees 697 00:33:27,674 --> 00:33:30,093 currently in private ownership. 698 00:33:30,093 --> 00:33:32,137 reporter: Then in July, PETA seized the chimps 699 00:33:32,178 --> 00:33:36,182 with U.S. Marshal oversight, but one chimp was missing. 700 00:33:36,808 --> 00:33:38,768 (birds chirping) 701 00:33:38,768 --> 00:33:40,979 Jared: That's really what all of this is about. 702 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:43,940 That's why it's incredibly important for us 703 00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:45,650 to find Tonka. 704 00:33:45,692 --> 00:33:47,610 Because if we don't get him to a sanctuary, 705 00:33:47,652 --> 00:33:48,820 nobody else will. 706 00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:52,782 That's for you, and... 707 00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:54,451 Oh, my gosh. No, you know what? 708 00:33:54,451 --> 00:33:56,619 I’m mad about this. Very angry. 709 00:33:56,661 --> 00:33:57,996 I will not eat these anymore 710 00:33:58,038 --> 00:33:59,622 because they took the bars off this, 711 00:33:59,664 --> 00:34:01,458 -because PETA required... -Dwayne Cunningham: Oh! 712 00:34:01,458 --> 00:34:03,626 Tonia: ...they can’t be in cages. 713 00:34:03,668 --> 00:34:05,128 Is that not ridiculous? 714 00:34:05,128 --> 00:34:06,504 Barnum and Bailey had these cookies 715 00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:08,047 for how long? 716 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:09,674 -I... -I didn’t know. 717 00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:12,802 No, I love them, but I’m just-- I mean, honestly. 718 00:34:12,844 --> 00:34:14,679 See, this is where you-- a lot of people 719 00:34:14,721 --> 00:34:16,556 don’t realize how bad PETA 720 00:34:16,598 --> 00:34:19,141 really outreaches stupid stuff like this. 721 00:34:19,184 --> 00:34:21,518 (uneasy music playing) 722 00:34:25,648 --> 00:34:28,985 I know, baby girl. Give me a kiss first. 723 00:34:29,027 --> 00:34:30,987 Nope. Give me a kiss. 724 00:34:31,029 --> 00:34:34,199 Eric: So, what makes PETA so sure Tonia is lying, 725 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,699 and that Tonka's alive? 726 00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:37,994 Jared: We asked where Tonka was, 727 00:34:38,036 --> 00:34:40,830 because we still hadn’t received proof of his death. 728 00:34:40,871 --> 00:34:44,167 And she said that Tonka was cremated. 729 00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:48,713 The court had ordered that Tonia provide evidence. 730 00:34:50,090 --> 00:34:52,509 So, Tonia Haddix showed me an email. 731 00:34:53,426 --> 00:34:57,180 This email was from a man named Jerry Aswegan, 732 00:34:57,222 --> 00:34:59,516 and it said that Tonka died. 733 00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:04,521 And he burned him on a burn pit at about 165 to 170 degrees, 734 00:35:04,521 --> 00:35:07,190 and what was left was just ashes. 735 00:35:07,232 --> 00:35:08,817 There were no bones anymore. 736 00:35:10,527 --> 00:35:12,696 First, it turns out that Jerry Aswegan 737 00:35:12,737 --> 00:35:14,447 was Tony Haddix’s husband... 738 00:35:15,657 --> 00:35:19,035 um, something that neither the email nor her lawyer 739 00:35:19,077 --> 00:35:20,412 told us about. 740 00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:23,456 And also, that temperature is simply impossible. 741 00:35:24,499 --> 00:35:26,209 If you think about your oven at home, 742 00:35:26,251 --> 00:35:28,211 you can’t cook anything at 170 degrees. 743 00:35:28,211 --> 00:35:31,131 It probably doesn’t even go that low. 744 00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:33,633 But, Jerry and Tonia stood by the fact 745 00:35:33,675 --> 00:35:36,720 that Tonka was cremated in his backyard 746 00:35:36,761 --> 00:35:40,098 in a manner that allowed them to just scoop up some ashes 747 00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:42,267 at the bottom of the, the burn pit. 748 00:35:42,308 --> 00:35:44,102 I don’t know enough 'cause I’m not, you know, 749 00:35:44,144 --> 00:35:46,062 I don't do-- I'm not an embalmer. 750 00:35:46,104 --> 00:35:47,897 I’m not a funeral home director. 751 00:35:47,939 --> 00:35:49,733 I’m not anything with a funeral home. 752 00:35:49,774 --> 00:35:54,237 But, um, apparently, when they wrote the statement 753 00:35:54,279 --> 00:35:56,156 initially the first time, 'cause they were in a rush 754 00:35:56,197 --> 00:35:57,782 to get it, um, 755 00:35:57,824 --> 00:36:00,744 they accidentally left off a zero on the temperatures. 756 00:36:00,785 --> 00:36:02,120 The temperatures were correct. 757 00:36:02,162 --> 00:36:03,872 It was just the zero was left off. 758 00:36:04,831 --> 00:36:06,750 Dwayne: By "they," you mean Jerry? 759 00:36:06,791 --> 00:36:07,917 Tonia: Yeah. 760 00:36:07,959 --> 00:36:10,170 I had him write a sworn statement 761 00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:12,756 and send it to the courts with the appropriate temperatures. 762 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:15,425 And that is appropriate temperatures, 763 00:36:15,425 --> 00:36:17,093 and they can’t deny that, but guess what? 764 00:36:17,135 --> 00:36:19,637 Jared acted like he never even seen that, 765 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:21,681 and, and all-- You know, that-- 766 00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:24,559 He never would acknowledge the fact that it was corrected. 767 00:36:26,102 --> 00:36:28,146 Dwayne: So, you have Tonka’s ashes? 768 00:36:28,188 --> 00:36:29,481 Mm, oh yeah. 769 00:36:29,898 --> 00:36:32,108 ♪♪ 770 00:36:32,692 --> 00:36:37,614 It looks like dirt, but it’s very fine. 771 00:36:37,614 --> 00:36:40,450 If they want to have a little scoop of the ashes, 772 00:36:40,492 --> 00:36:41,659 more power to 'em. 773 00:36:41,701 --> 00:36:43,453 But I’m tired of him being an ass 774 00:36:43,495 --> 00:36:45,163 and insulting my integrity. 775 00:36:47,457 --> 00:36:50,293 I think my relationship with Tonia 776 00:36:50,335 --> 00:36:53,797 would be accurately described as acrimonious, um, 777 00:36:53,838 --> 00:36:56,007 and that’s mostly from her end. 778 00:36:56,049 --> 00:36:57,550 I would say he’s the devil’s spawn, 779 00:36:57,592 --> 00:36:58,718 but I know he has a mother. 780 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,804 He’s a bastard. He’s a dick. 781 00:37:00,804 --> 00:37:03,723 I always watch his Facebook page to see if his wife dumps him. 782 00:37:03,765 --> 00:37:05,558 My God, it’s Pee-Wee Herman. 783 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,726 Pee-Wee Herman. Pee-Wee Herman. 784 00:37:06,768 --> 00:37:08,561 I have voodoo dolls of Pee-Wee Herman. 785 00:37:08,603 --> 00:37:11,314 Contempt! Contempt! Another piece of paper! 786 00:37:11,356 --> 00:37:12,982 He checks my Facebook page. 787 00:37:13,024 --> 00:37:16,111 The dumbass accidentally sent me a friend request. 788 00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:19,155 I very much look forward to the day 789 00:37:19,197 --> 00:37:21,908 when I can close that tab and never reopen it. 790 00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:24,202 I tried to run him over the last time we left the courtroom. 791 00:37:24,244 --> 00:37:26,413 I am going to slap the shit out of him. 792 00:37:26,454 --> 00:37:28,540 I don’t want to kill him, I just want to maim him. 793 00:37:28,581 --> 00:37:30,250 He's lucky that he jumped up on the curb, 794 00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:31,501 or he would have been ran over. 795 00:37:31,543 --> 00:37:33,545 (friend speaking on phone) 796 00:37:35,046 --> 00:37:36,506 (Tonia laughing) 797 00:37:36,548 --> 00:37:41,386 Her personal attacks, uh, were so inconsequential to me 798 00:37:41,428 --> 00:37:43,596 that I don’t really remember precisely what they were. 799 00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:47,058 (phone ringing) 800 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,936 Tonia: Okay, guys, he’s calling right now. 801 00:37:49,978 --> 00:37:51,312 Hello? 802 00:37:58,069 --> 00:38:00,113 You know what, I’m done with all of this stuff. 803 00:38:00,155 --> 00:38:02,699 I am so done with it, it’s not even funny. 804 00:38:02,699 --> 00:38:05,243 The "Where’s Waldo?" type situation. 805 00:38:07,495 --> 00:38:09,664 Jared (on phone): What, what "Where's Waldo?" situation? 806 00:38:09,706 --> 00:38:11,583 You don’t know about "Where’s Waldo?" 807 00:38:13,793 --> 00:38:15,420 Jared: I’m familiar with the book. 808 00:38:16,463 --> 00:38:18,715 If you think I like the situation, 809 00:38:18,757 --> 00:38:20,967 you're really out of your damn mind. 810 00:38:21,009 --> 00:38:24,429 You don't have the feelings that I have for those kids. 811 00:38:24,471 --> 00:38:27,599 You don't-- you have not had to go through everything 812 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,933 that I have had to go through. 813 00:38:28,975 --> 00:38:31,436 I'm so done with this situation 814 00:38:31,478 --> 00:38:34,397 because I'm the one who got to be villainized. 815 00:38:34,439 --> 00:38:36,941 I went up there out of the kindness of my heart 816 00:38:36,983 --> 00:38:39,569 to help Connie and to help those chimps. 817 00:38:39,569 --> 00:38:42,072 If you don't think that I live with it every day, 818 00:38:42,113 --> 00:38:45,700 that I failed those kids, you're out of your damn mind. 819 00:38:51,456 --> 00:38:52,999 (Jared coughing) 820 00:38:54,167 --> 00:38:56,336 Jared: (coughing) Excuse me. 821 00:39:00,173 --> 00:39:01,800 Okay, is that all? 822 00:39:02,926 --> 00:39:05,470 (light music playing) 823 00:39:08,473 --> 00:39:10,475 (phone ringing) 824 00:39:10,809 --> 00:39:12,143 (Dwayne speaking) 825 00:39:12,811 --> 00:39:13,978 Yeah. 826 00:39:16,523 --> 00:39:17,649 Hello? 827 00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:18,858 -Connie Casey (on phone): Hey. -Hey. 828 00:39:24,656 --> 00:39:26,282 Tonia: Um, I’m at home. 829 00:39:26,324 --> 00:39:28,993 A little bit ago got off, the phone with Jared Goodman. 830 00:39:30,912 --> 00:39:34,165 Tonia: Well, uh, him and PETA were assholes, of course. 831 00:39:34,207 --> 00:39:35,291 -Um... -Connie: Yeah. 832 00:39:35,291 --> 00:39:37,002 Tonia: Which I expected it, you know. 833 00:39:37,544 --> 00:39:39,087 (Connie speaking) 834 00:39:41,756 --> 00:39:42,799 Tonia: Yep. 835 00:39:42,841 --> 00:39:44,509 (Connie speaking) 836 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:48,638 Tonia: Yep. 837 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,141 (Connie speaking) 838 00:39:51,182 --> 00:39:52,976 Tonia: I love you too, okay? 839 00:39:53,018 --> 00:39:54,561 -Connie: Okay, bye. -Tonia: Okay, bye. 840 00:39:56,187 --> 00:39:59,190 ♪♪ 841 00:40:05,238 --> 00:40:06,406 (crew member speaking) 842 00:40:07,365 --> 00:40:08,908 (Tonia speaking) 843 00:40:11,578 --> 00:40:12,829 (chuckles) Yeah, okay. 844 00:40:12,871 --> 00:40:16,166 ♪♪ 845 00:40:16,207 --> 00:40:18,418 My husband will tell you he gets after me. 846 00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:20,754 "Why do you tell everybody your life story?" 847 00:40:20,795 --> 00:40:22,881 (chuckles) Because I have nothing to hide, 848 00:40:22,922 --> 00:40:24,674 and because I’m just an open book. 849 00:40:24,716 --> 00:40:26,968 And so, I’m like, "Why shouldn’t I?" 850 00:40:28,011 --> 00:40:31,598 I don'’t understand why I keep getting to be the bad guy here, 851 00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:33,183 and I’m tired of it. 852 00:40:33,183 --> 00:40:34,893 I’ve asked PETA several times, 853 00:40:34,934 --> 00:40:38,605 what is it that you want for me to prove you that he’s dead? 854 00:40:38,646 --> 00:40:41,441 So, now I’m asking them. I’m challenging them. 855 00:40:41,483 --> 00:40:44,069 Prove to me that he’s alive. 856 00:40:45,278 --> 00:40:47,280 -(energetic music playing) -(plane engines roaring) 857 00:40:48,531 --> 00:40:51,910 Jared: We knew that Tonka was still out there somewhere. 858 00:40:51,951 --> 00:40:55,246 So, we had to exhaust every possible option 859 00:40:55,288 --> 00:40:56,414 and look for him. 860 00:40:57,499 --> 00:41:00,418 That included sending folks to facilities 861 00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:02,253 to look around for him. 862 00:41:05,632 --> 00:41:07,133 Jared: Hiring private investigators 863 00:41:07,175 --> 00:41:08,385 to take a look at places 864 00:41:08,426 --> 00:41:10,470 where we think he might potentially be. 865 00:41:10,512 --> 00:41:13,556 Of course, monitoring and scouring the internet 866 00:41:13,598 --> 00:41:15,850 for any indication where he might be. 867 00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:18,228 (phone ringing) 868 00:41:18,269 --> 00:41:20,814 Talking to individuals who might have information. 869 00:41:20,855 --> 00:41:21,981 (pigeons cooing) 870 00:41:22,023 --> 00:41:24,109 And really left no stone unturned. 871 00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:26,111 (phone ringing) 872 00:41:28,405 --> 00:41:30,740 I came to accept early on in this case 873 00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:33,660 that it was going to be unpredictable. 874 00:41:33,702 --> 00:41:35,578 But we certainly weren’t expecting 875 00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:37,122 to get a call from a psychic. 876 00:41:38,998 --> 00:41:43,086 Brittany: Tonia's friend confided to her psychic 877 00:41:43,086 --> 00:41:45,880 that it seemed like Tonka really was alive. 878 00:41:47,132 --> 00:41:49,175 Tonia had texted this friend 879 00:41:49,217 --> 00:41:52,804 long after Tonka had supposedly died 880 00:41:52,846 --> 00:41:55,890 saying that she was out getting groceries for Tonka. 881 00:41:57,225 --> 00:41:59,978 -(line ringing) -The psychic reached out to us 882 00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:02,439 and we were able to submit a subpoena 883 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,316 to get copies of those text messages. 884 00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:08,028 And this confirmed, of course, what we already knew, 885 00:42:09,529 --> 00:42:11,156 Tonka never really died. 886 00:42:13,074 --> 00:42:15,660 With this evidence, we were finally able 887 00:42:15,702 --> 00:42:17,454 to get her back into court 888 00:42:17,495 --> 00:42:19,456 to try to find out what happened to Tonka. 889 00:42:19,497 --> 00:42:21,833 (curious music playing) 890 00:42:23,543 --> 00:42:25,378 Judge Perry (on video call): Alright, good morning. 891 00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:27,505 This is Judge Perry. I’m here in the case 892 00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:32,302 of counterclaim plaintiff PETA, uh, against Tonia Haddix. 893 00:42:32,344 --> 00:42:35,138 Miss Haddix, please raise your right hand. 894 00:42:35,138 --> 00:42:37,807 You do solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony 895 00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:39,851 you are about to give in this cause is the truth, 896 00:42:39,893 --> 00:42:42,520 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 897 00:42:42,562 --> 00:42:45,565 -Yes. -Judge Perry: Thank you. 898 00:42:45,607 --> 00:42:47,484 Morning, Miss Haddix. 899 00:42:47,525 --> 00:42:49,152 We’re here today to get the answer 900 00:42:49,152 --> 00:42:51,196 to a very simple question. 901 00:42:51,237 --> 00:42:52,989 Where is Tonka? 902 00:42:53,031 --> 00:42:54,991 ♪♪ 903 00:42:55,033 --> 00:42:56,826 (music stops) 904 00:42:56,868 --> 00:42:59,412 (silence) 905 00:43:03,875 --> 00:43:06,002 Tonia: You froze. 906 00:43:06,044 --> 00:43:07,587 Judge Perry: Yeah. Um, 907 00:43:07,629 --> 00:43:10,131 Mr. Goodman is not-- is frozen. 908 00:43:11,633 --> 00:43:13,718 (plucky music playing) 909 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,220 Now, everybody’s frozen. 910 00:43:15,261 --> 00:43:16,846 ♪♪ 911 00:43:16,888 --> 00:43:18,431 Jared: Very sorry about that. 912 00:43:18,473 --> 00:43:20,350 But can you hear me sufficiently now, Judge? 913 00:43:20,392 --> 00:43:21,393 Judge Perry: Yes. 914 00:43:22,977 --> 00:43:25,188 Jared: Miss Haddix, are you able to see a document 915 00:43:25,188 --> 00:43:27,315 on the screen now that says "Tonia"? 916 00:43:28,358 --> 00:43:30,276 Tonia: It appears to be a text. 917 00:43:31,403 --> 00:43:33,738 Jared: You said, "I was at Cy," C-Y, 918 00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:35,156 "and could not talk, no signal." 919 00:43:36,324 --> 00:43:37,617 You see here, your next message 920 00:43:37,659 --> 00:43:39,744 was that "Tonka needed groceries." 921 00:43:41,579 --> 00:43:42,872 ♪♪ 922 00:43:42,914 --> 00:43:44,124 Right. 923 00:43:45,417 --> 00:43:47,043 Which is a capuchin of mine. 924 00:43:47,085 --> 00:43:50,880 I name-- I got a new capuchin, a rescued capuchin, 925 00:43:50,922 --> 00:43:53,717 and I call-- I named that capuchin Tonka. 926 00:43:53,758 --> 00:43:56,177 So, I was getting Tonka groceries, yes. 927 00:43:58,972 --> 00:44:02,225 Jared: Uh, when did you get this other capuchin? 928 00:44:02,225 --> 00:44:07,564 I got that other capuchin, um, in, um, January, like Janu-- 929 00:44:07,564 --> 00:44:10,817 No, that’s not true. Okay, I’m trying to think. 930 00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:12,610 I got that capuchin, 931 00:44:12,652 --> 00:44:14,696 so it’d be July, July 5th. 932 00:44:29,127 --> 00:44:33,131 (crying) What ha-- what happened was I went down, 933 00:44:33,173 --> 00:44:38,303 and I went over to the cage where Tonka was. 934 00:44:38,345 --> 00:44:41,598 And he was still sleeping while I flipped on the lights. 935 00:44:41,598 --> 00:44:43,808 (solemn music playing) 936 00:44:43,850 --> 00:44:46,478 And he didn’t move, and I kept calling his name. 937 00:44:46,728 --> 00:44:48,480 (echoing thud) 938 00:44:48,521 --> 00:44:51,941 I call him Tonky B, and so I’d say "Tonky B, Tonky B," 939 00:44:51,983 --> 00:44:53,485 and he didn’t respond, and I-- 940 00:44:53,526 --> 00:44:55,278 I watched for breathing. 941 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,740 He didn’t breathe, and I waited for a while. 942 00:45:00,075 --> 00:45:04,621 When he didn’t breathe, we have PVC pipe down there, 943 00:45:04,621 --> 00:45:06,539 small PVC pipe. 944 00:45:06,581 --> 00:45:09,125 (sniffling) Um, it's small in diameter, 945 00:45:09,167 --> 00:45:10,377 but it's long. 946 00:45:10,418 --> 00:45:12,170 And we went ahead, and I just went ahead 947 00:45:12,212 --> 00:45:14,714 and poked him with that PVC pipe. 948 00:45:15,882 --> 00:45:20,178 And whenever he did respond, his arm just kind of flopped. 949 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:23,807 And so, I just went ahead and waited a few more minutes. 950 00:45:23,848 --> 00:45:26,226 ♪♪ 951 00:45:27,936 --> 00:45:31,439 And then I opened the cage door, and he was dead! 952 00:45:33,149 --> 00:45:35,902 (wailing) I gotta stop! 953 00:45:35,944 --> 00:45:37,570 I can’t do this! 954 00:45:37,612 --> 00:45:39,030 Judge Perry: Hold on just a second. 955 00:45:39,072 --> 00:45:41,366 Counsel, we’re gonna take a 10-minute recess 956 00:45:41,408 --> 00:45:43,868 so, uh, you can compose yourself. 957 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:46,121 Okay, thank you. 958 00:45:48,373 --> 00:45:50,458 (sobbing) 959 00:45:53,545 --> 00:45:55,547 (softly) He is such a fuckin' bastard. 960 00:45:57,966 --> 00:45:59,676 prosecutor: Miss Haddix, I just want to let you know 961 00:45:59,718 --> 00:46:00,844 that your microphone is still on. 962 00:46:00,885 --> 00:46:02,887 Okay, thank you. 963 00:46:02,929 --> 00:46:05,306 -You’re welcome. -(resumes sobbing) 964 00:46:06,266 --> 00:46:08,852 ♪♪ 965 00:46:10,895 --> 00:46:12,856 Judge Perry: Alright, uh, Mr. Goodman, you may proceed. 966 00:46:12,897 --> 00:46:13,982 Jared: Thank you. 967 00:46:17,944 --> 00:46:19,112 (Frederick clearing throat) 968 00:46:19,154 --> 00:46:21,072 (Tonia softly speaking) 969 00:46:21,698 --> 00:46:23,742 (dramatic music playing) 970 00:46:25,952 --> 00:46:28,538 Frederick "Rick" Snow: I worked in Bosnia, working mass graves 971 00:46:28,538 --> 00:46:31,374 for the International Commission on Missing Persons. 972 00:46:31,416 --> 00:46:35,295 I worked in Kosovo as an agent of the United Nations. 973 00:46:35,337 --> 00:46:39,132 But I’ve never worked a case with a chimpanzee, 974 00:46:39,174 --> 00:46:42,427 let alone one that was allegedly cremated. 975 00:46:42,469 --> 00:46:44,346 So, it immediately piqued my interest. 976 00:46:45,513 --> 00:46:48,266 My name is Rick Snow, I’m a forensic anthropologist. 977 00:46:49,434 --> 00:46:52,771 I work with fragmentary remains, mummified remains, 978 00:46:52,812 --> 00:46:55,523 uh, decomposed remains, burned remains. 979 00:46:57,484 --> 00:47:01,946 Having read the affidavit, uh, written by Jerry Aswegan, 980 00:47:01,988 --> 00:47:05,283 uh, red flags began to appear to me very quickly. 981 00:47:05,325 --> 00:47:06,743 (flames crackling) 982 00:47:06,785 --> 00:47:09,954 The story that was told was that they cremated Tonka 983 00:47:09,996 --> 00:47:11,998 in a burn pile. 984 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,418 Jerry Aswegan had recovered ashes of Tonka, 985 00:47:15,418 --> 00:47:18,421 described as uniform size 986 00:47:18,463 --> 00:47:20,924 with no discernible bone fragments, 987 00:47:20,965 --> 00:47:23,343 and gave them to Tonia Haddix. 988 00:47:25,387 --> 00:47:26,888 (music fades out) 989 00:47:31,643 --> 00:47:32,977 (car beeping) 990 00:47:42,195 --> 00:47:44,823 (dramatic music resumes) 991 00:47:46,074 --> 00:47:50,495 These are partially fleshed pig bones and cow bones, 992 00:47:50,537 --> 00:47:52,747 We’re gonna be cremating these today 993 00:47:52,789 --> 00:47:54,499 in a commercial crematory. 994 00:47:54,541 --> 00:47:56,501 They’re gonna serve as a very good surrogate 995 00:47:56,543 --> 00:48:00,213 for what we would expect the bones of Tonka to look like. 996 00:48:00,255 --> 00:48:03,008 ♪♪ 997 00:48:07,095 --> 00:48:08,513 (machine beeping) 998 00:48:09,681 --> 00:48:10,932 (crew member speaking) 999 00:48:12,517 --> 00:48:14,394 What? You asking me? 1000 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,313 For what, that? 1001 00:48:17,355 --> 00:48:19,649 I think they said another hour. 1002 00:48:19,691 --> 00:48:21,776 (dramatic music continues) 1003 00:48:25,238 --> 00:48:26,531 (music fades out) 1004 00:48:33,705 --> 00:48:34,998 (remains rattling) 1005 00:48:36,875 --> 00:48:39,210 This is one of the larger fragments here. 1006 00:48:39,252 --> 00:48:42,839 Uh, you can see that this is easily identifiable as, as bone. 1007 00:48:42,881 --> 00:48:46,176 Most of this is actually large fragments. 1008 00:48:46,176 --> 00:48:49,596 These fragments, or very similar to it, would have been found. 1009 00:48:52,974 --> 00:48:54,851 Dean Achord: So, at this point, you know, we'll go ahead 1010 00:48:54,851 --> 00:48:56,102 and we'll put it in the processor. 1011 00:48:56,144 --> 00:48:57,187 Rick: Uh-huh. 1012 00:48:57,187 --> 00:48:58,772 Dean: And that pulverizes it down 1013 00:48:58,813 --> 00:49:01,733 into one almost consistent type of powder. 1014 00:49:02,567 --> 00:49:04,652 (processor whirring) 1015 00:49:07,447 --> 00:49:11,034 This is what everybody thinks cremains look like. 1016 00:49:11,034 --> 00:49:12,911 But as we’ve just seen, 1017 00:49:12,952 --> 00:49:16,206 they don’t even begin to approximate powder 1018 00:49:16,206 --> 00:49:18,375 until they’re put in the processor. 1019 00:49:18,416 --> 00:49:23,630 This is what they said, uh, represented the ashes of Tonka 1020 00:49:23,672 --> 00:49:25,465 and it's simply not the case. 1021 00:49:29,636 --> 00:49:31,388 Jared (on video call): Is there any evidence to show 1022 00:49:31,388 --> 00:49:33,640 that Tonka’s body was burned at this location? 1023 00:49:34,516 --> 00:49:36,559 Rick (on video call): In my opinion, it’s inconceivable. 1024 00:49:37,644 --> 00:49:41,398 At least as it’s described in the information that I’ve read. 1025 00:49:41,439 --> 00:49:44,234 Did you ever explore that site? 1026 00:49:44,234 --> 00:49:48,738 Was you ever asked by PETA to ever explore that site? 1027 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:50,156 -No, I didn’t. -Tonia: Okay. 1028 00:49:50,198 --> 00:49:51,616 And I wasn’t asked. 1029 00:49:51,658 --> 00:49:52,992 Tonia: Okay. 1030 00:49:53,034 --> 00:49:54,577 I guess-- I guess after-- 1031 00:49:54,619 --> 00:49:56,579 I-I guess that’s all I have for you. 1032 00:49:56,621 --> 00:49:58,540 Um, that’s it. (sniffling) 1033 00:50:04,963 --> 00:50:07,632 reporter 1: Tonia Haddix often sobbed in court, 1034 00:50:07,674 --> 00:50:10,760 so passionately, that the judge often had to take breaks 1035 00:50:10,802 --> 00:50:11,928 as Haddix broke down. 1036 00:50:11,970 --> 00:50:13,763 reporter 2: A PETA lawyer told the judge 1037 00:50:13,805 --> 00:50:15,306 Haddix refused to cooperate. 1038 00:50:15,348 --> 00:50:16,766 reporter 3: Haddix fought back, and quote, 1039 00:50:16,808 --> 00:50:19,269 “I can't provide him to you guys if he died, 1040 00:50:19,310 --> 00:50:21,646 and my whole thing is, I know I talk big..." 1041 00:50:21,688 --> 00:50:23,565 (reporter's voice fades out) 1042 00:50:25,275 --> 00:50:28,862 Judge Perry: Alright, I am going to just cut to the chase here 1043 00:50:28,903 --> 00:50:31,156 and tell you what my ruling is on this. 1044 00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:36,369 There is a lot of inconsistent and implausible evidence 1045 00:50:36,411 --> 00:50:38,038 presented by Miss Haddix. 1046 00:50:40,081 --> 00:50:42,792 It is my belief that Miss Haddix makes things up. 1047 00:50:42,834 --> 00:50:45,295 She has done that consistently throughout this case, 1048 00:50:45,337 --> 00:50:48,298 and she’s doing it again here today, I believe. 1049 00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:50,717 But does that convince me that Tonka is alive 1050 00:50:50,759 --> 00:50:52,052 and she has hidden him? 1051 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:55,013 No, it does not. 1052 00:50:56,598 --> 00:50:58,808 When what I wanted to know is, is this chimpanzee 1053 00:50:58,850 --> 00:51:00,143 alive or not? 1054 00:51:00,143 --> 00:51:01,644 And based on all the evidence 1055 00:51:01,686 --> 00:51:03,646 I’ve heard here today, I cannot say. 1056 00:51:03,646 --> 00:51:06,483 I am certainly not declaring that he is dead. 1057 00:51:06,483 --> 00:51:09,152 What I am saying is that I cannot find 1058 00:51:09,194 --> 00:51:10,820 that he is still living, 1059 00:51:10,862 --> 00:51:13,531 and so I am denying the fourth motion for contempt. 1060 00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:18,411 If Mr. Goodman were to come up with actual evidence 1061 00:51:18,453 --> 00:51:20,497 that Tonka is still alive, 1062 00:51:20,538 --> 00:51:22,832 then I will expect they will be right back in front of me 1063 00:51:22,874 --> 00:51:24,501 with another motion for contempt. 1064 00:51:24,501 --> 00:51:26,252 And there’s nothing in my order here today 1065 00:51:26,294 --> 00:51:28,088 that precludes them from doing it. 1066 00:51:30,382 --> 00:51:32,509 Alright, thank you all very much. 1067 00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:34,678 Court is in recess. 1068 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,304 Thank you. 1069 00:51:37,305 --> 00:51:39,015 (clapping) We won, guys. 1070 00:51:39,015 --> 00:51:40,725 (excited, rapid breaths) 1071 00:51:46,439 --> 00:51:47,899 We fuckin' won. 1072 00:51:49,651 --> 00:51:51,653 Yeah, but we gotta just keep him hidden. 1073 00:51:52,779 --> 00:51:54,197 ♪♪ 1074 00:51:54,197 --> 00:51:56,241 (phone line ringing) 1075 00:51:58,076 --> 00:51:59,202 Hey, I won. 1076 00:51:59,202 --> 00:52:00,370 Connie (on phone): Oh, yeah? 1077 00:52:00,370 --> 00:52:02,038 Yes, I won. They have to leave us alone 1078 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,542 unless they can get evidence that he's alive, so we won. 1079 00:52:05,583 --> 00:52:07,711 Connie: Oh! Oh, my God. 1080 00:52:07,752 --> 00:52:09,963 We won, Connie. 1081 00:52:10,005 --> 00:52:12,007 ("Gut Feeling/(Slap Your Mammy)" by Devo playing) 1082 00:52:19,764 --> 00:52:21,766 (monkey hollering in distance) 1083 00:52:24,436 --> 00:52:26,438 (hooting and huffing) 1084 00:52:28,523 --> 00:52:29,691 Hi, baby. 1085 00:52:38,616 --> 00:52:40,243 (Tonia chuckles) 1086 00:52:40,243 --> 00:52:42,912 ♪ Something about the way you taste ♪ 1087 00:52:42,954 --> 00:52:45,290 ♪ Makes me wanna clear my throat ♪ 1088 00:52:47,042 --> 00:52:50,420 ♪ There's a method to your movements ♪ 1089 00:52:50,462 --> 00:52:52,547 ♪ That really gets my goat ♪ 1090 00:52:54,883 --> 00:52:59,846 ♪ I looked for silver linings but you're rotten to the core ♪ 1091 00:53:02,182 --> 00:53:04,267 ♪ I've had just about all I can take ♪ 1092 00:53:04,267 --> 00:53:06,811 ♪ You know I can't take it no more ♪ 1093 00:53:09,481 --> 00:53:11,483 ♪ I've got a gut feeling ♪ 1094 00:53:12,484 --> 00:53:14,319 ♪ I've got a gut feeling ♪ 1095 00:53:15,528 --> 00:53:17,989 ♪ I've got a gut feeling, feeling ♪ 1096 00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:28,833 ♪ Centered 'round long time ago on your ability to torment ♪ 1097 00:53:31,252 --> 00:53:33,004 ♪ I've got a gut feeling ♪ 1098 00:53:34,089 --> 00:53:35,840 ♪ I've got a gut feeling ♪ 1099 00:53:37,008 --> 00:53:39,719 ♪ I've got a gut feeling, feeling ♪ 1100 00:53:41,346 --> 00:53:43,264 ♪ I've got a gut feeling ♪