1 00:00:26,276 --> 00:00:28,695 Let me get down over here. 2 00:00:28,778 --> 00:00:30,822 I'm gonna go through the brush right here. 3 00:00:33,616 --> 00:00:35,660 32, 42, 3202. 4 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:48,882 Alright, copy. 5 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:01,269 Yep. 6 00:01:02,979 --> 00:01:05,190 -Got it? -Yep, he just moved. 7 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:46,981 Do you want to play? Do you want to play? 8 00:01:47,065 --> 00:01:49,359 Okay, Mom says okay. Mom says okay. 9 00:02:12,549 --> 00:02:16,886 Cheater, cheater. Now you're cheating. For sure! 10 00:02:21,891 --> 00:02:28,565 So, we followed this story for a while and Tonka was supposed to be deceased. 11 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,818 Yes. 12 00:02:33,528 --> 00:02:34,904 How do you explain that? 13 00:02:39,451 --> 00:02:40,785 Gimme. 14 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:44,372 I already said Tonka will never go to the chimp sanctuary. 15 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:48,043 I opted to go against the court order. 16 00:02:49,002 --> 00:02:52,255 His health doesn't allow him to make a 14-hour travel 17 00:02:52,339 --> 00:02:53,965 to Florida sedated. 18 00:02:54,049 --> 00:02:55,508 It'll kill him. 19 00:02:59,054 --> 00:03:03,224 All this right here, that's not fat. That's fluid. 20 00:03:03,308 --> 00:03:05,101 He's definitely in congestive heart failure. 21 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,812 There's not even a question about that. 22 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:12,192 I want to make sure that he lives as long as he can, 23 00:03:12,275 --> 00:03:16,279 and live with people that can interact with him daily 24 00:03:16,363 --> 00:03:18,782 and do things with him. 25 00:03:19,908 --> 00:03:22,786 We're down here all the time, and he's got an iPad. 26 00:03:22,869 --> 00:03:27,082 It's not a real iPad. It's a kid one, but it has internet. 27 00:03:27,165 --> 00:03:29,084 He has his own email account. 28 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:30,794 Even though, I mean, I hope he don't email, 29 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:35,215 but if he does, it is what it is. 30 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:38,843 Here, see. 31 00:03:41,096 --> 00:03:44,140 He's gonna clean his window 'cause he messed it up. 32 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:51,356 Wipe it down-- down here, where you made that mess, clean it. 33 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:54,609 I think we made it worse, but maybe not. 34 00:03:54,692 --> 00:03:56,319 Here, down here. 35 00:04:00,699 --> 00:04:02,867 Good job. Good job. 36 00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:07,414 -That's Tonka. -Yeah. 37 00:04:07,497 --> 00:04:08,998 Oh, my God. 38 00:04:12,961 --> 00:04:14,879 I don't even know what to say. It's so insane. 39 00:04:16,380 --> 00:04:20,343 Part of me is saying this is the craziest story ever now. 40 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:22,762 And part of me is thinking, what do we do? 41 00:04:25,015 --> 00:04:27,809 -Oh, my God. -We gotta call Dwayne. 42 00:04:33,398 --> 00:04:34,399 Yeah. 43 00:04:45,284 --> 00:04:46,536 I mean... 44 00:04:49,372 --> 00:04:52,250 Well, I'm not sure. 45 00:04:52,334 --> 00:04:56,796 I guess the question is, you know, is Tonka okay? 46 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:14,522 I think that we just take it, you know, week by week right now, okay? 47 00:05:17,025 --> 00:05:18,860 Okay, alright, Dwayne. 48 00:05:18,943 --> 00:05:20,737 Talk to you later. Alright, bye-bye. 49 00:05:28,828 --> 00:05:32,248 If we turn her in, that's it. 50 00:05:32,332 --> 00:05:34,793 You know, she won't lead us to anybody else. 51 00:05:34,876 --> 00:05:36,378 And I always felt 52 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:39,214 as though there could be other people that she knows. 53 00:05:39,297 --> 00:05:42,592 I know there's other people that she knows keeping chimps. 54 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:47,847 I don't know if it's the right thing to do. 55 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:50,225 You know? 56 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:53,436 I don't know. 57 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:55,814 I don't know. 58 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,947 Let's back up to the summer. 59 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:08,326 PETA took the other chimps. Where was Tonka? 60 00:06:09,327 --> 00:06:15,000 Tonka was actually on the run with me. I mean, literally on the run with me. 61 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:23,174 Before PETA came and took the kids, Tonka had a massive stroke. 62 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:33,727 I feel like God gave me that opportunity, and I just took advantage. 63 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:38,189 Basically, we just demised a plan to just say he died. 64 00:06:38,273 --> 00:06:40,025 I found him dead. 65 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:42,152 He was in his cage. He did not move. 66 00:06:42,235 --> 00:06:45,113 We knew that Tonka's time was limited. 67 00:06:45,196 --> 00:06:47,449 I had no reason at all to fake his death. 68 00:06:47,532 --> 00:06:50,118 I've got a box of ashes that is his, I mean... 69 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:53,204 And if anybody wants me to take a lie detector test... 70 00:06:53,288 --> 00:06:54,831 When they found out Tonka was dead... 71 00:06:54,914 --> 00:06:56,750 I'm glad he's dead. Literally dead. 72 00:06:56,832 --> 00:06:58,335 He was dead! 73 00:07:01,504 --> 00:07:02,714 I gotta stop! 74 00:07:02,797 --> 00:07:04,382 I can't do this. 75 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:15,894 The night before PETA came and took the chimps, 76 00:07:15,977 --> 00:07:20,440 after the film crew left, Jerry and I started preparation 77 00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:22,442 to get Tonka sedated. 78 00:07:22,525 --> 00:07:24,319 It took us till 3 a.m. 79 00:07:32,118 --> 00:07:34,162 We went ahead and just went to the Holiday Inn 80 00:07:34,245 --> 00:07:39,876 2.4 miles from the facility. But we couldn't leave him in the trailer. 81 00:07:45,382 --> 00:07:47,342 We put him in the bathroom in case he peed, 82 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:50,011 'cause we're not gonna trash a hotel. 83 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:56,726 I waited until I heard that PETA hit the facility. 84 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:59,562 And then, we just drove straight to Cy's. 85 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:26,256 Oh, yeah. I texted him to let him know we were on our way. 86 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:34,222 Cy is a chimp guy, but I had never met him. 87 00:08:35,056 --> 00:08:37,058 I met him the day I dropped Tonka off. 88 00:08:38,183 --> 00:08:41,020 My best place was to pick somebody 89 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:45,650 that had chimpanzees that I could blend Tonka in. 90 00:08:46,276 --> 00:08:51,990 And Cy was the perfect person because Cy had a male chimpanzee, Ricky. 91 00:08:52,073 --> 00:08:54,534 Ricky happened to die of liver failure. 92 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:57,996 So, nobody would have known that that was Tonka. 93 00:08:59,873 --> 00:09:04,085 Three Chicken McNugget happy meals. We want the extra fries, 94 00:09:04,169 --> 00:09:06,254 and can we get chocolate milks with those? 95 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:15,805 Hi, you've reached Cy at Union Ridge Wildlife Center. 96 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:18,683 We're all busy monkeying around, so please leave a message 97 00:09:18,767 --> 00:09:20,810 and someone will return your call. 98 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:32,697 Cy is not open to the public. 99 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:37,118 His is a private collection. 100 00:09:38,119 --> 00:09:41,498 He has, like, some tigers and some other animals, 101 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:44,250 as well as the chimps. 102 00:09:45,794 --> 00:09:48,672 How does he fund it? Where's the money from? 103 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:52,467 That, I'm not sure of. 104 00:09:54,344 --> 00:09:58,515 I hear my girls. They hear me. Do you hear 'em? The girls heard me here. 105 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,647 They know me. They know me. 106 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:10,860 Hey, girls! 107 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:19,536 Happy girl. You're my favorite girl. Gimme kiss. 108 00:10:22,997 --> 00:10:23,873 Are you happy, girl? 109 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,169 They look really good, Cy. 110 00:10:28,420 --> 00:10:29,838 -What? -They look amazing. 111 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:43,226 This was an opportunity for me to do something for someone 112 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:47,230 that I would want done for me if I was in the same situation. 113 00:10:47,313 --> 00:10:49,024 You're shaking, baby girl! 114 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,444 Okay, okay, okay, already. 115 00:10:52,527 --> 00:10:54,070 I didn't know Tonia, 116 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:57,991 but I'd seen some of my own friends in Ohio 117 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,869 lose their animals because they weren't willing 118 00:11:00,952 --> 00:11:04,164 to, you know, adjust to the new rules and regulations. 119 00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:08,918 Tonka was here for at least six months. 120 00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:13,923 Tonia drove here regularly, even if just for an evening. 121 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,886 Hi, girlfriend. 122 00:11:19,596 --> 00:11:23,350 PETA didn't know the connection between Cy and I, so it was perfect. 123 00:11:27,604 --> 00:11:29,689 When we came to Cy's, we were very careful. 124 00:11:29,773 --> 00:11:32,442 We would always be doing a transport someplace else, 125 00:11:32,525 --> 00:11:36,404 so they would have had to have followed us for many, many thousands of miles. 126 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:38,448 Do you want these nuggets? 127 00:11:39,949 --> 00:11:41,117 There you go. 128 00:11:43,912 --> 00:11:45,205 Here's your sauce. 129 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:54,923 Hey, baby girl. 130 00:11:57,175 --> 00:12:00,261 You better stop. You better stop. 131 00:12:01,471 --> 00:12:04,140 The Union Ridge Wildlife Center provides sanctuary 132 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:09,437 to animals that are being displaced for one reason or another. 133 00:12:11,356 --> 00:12:17,987 I'm looking into expanding the sanctuary's efforts with Great Apes. 134 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:23,034 This is the next project for the outdoor yard. 135 00:12:23,118 --> 00:12:26,496 I wanted to make it look like a hamster cage, 136 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:28,540 and even painted the obnoxious colors. 137 00:12:28,623 --> 00:12:32,585 But then, this is actually what it'll-- what the actual shape will look like, 138 00:12:32,669 --> 00:12:36,673 and this is the back of the building here. And then, you got the two domes. 139 00:12:37,465 --> 00:12:41,594 And then, as we gain some creative funding sources, 140 00:12:41,678 --> 00:12:44,097 you know, we'll be able to house up to 24 chimps. 141 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:45,640 That's amazing. 142 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:52,355 I had to really try to sell Tonia on trusting me. 143 00:12:54,232 --> 00:12:58,236 You know, I've made choices that have really 144 00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:03,241 screwed that up in a lot of people's minds. 145 00:13:03,908 --> 00:13:07,370 I mean, if you just google "Cy Vierstra," 146 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,373 I was the township fiscal officer. 147 00:13:11,166 --> 00:13:15,420 I had gotten hooked on buying random things off the auction. 148 00:13:16,546 --> 00:13:17,964 When I ran out of money, 149 00:13:18,048 --> 00:13:22,385 I started spending township money, always intending to put it back. 150 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:26,056 But it got really, really out of control. 151 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:30,769 If he doesn't pay that $340,000, 152 00:13:30,852 --> 00:13:33,188 there's a nine-year sentence on the table. 153 00:13:33,271 --> 00:13:35,899 So, they're throwing the book at him, per se. 154 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:44,115 Can I see one? 155 00:13:48,745 --> 00:13:51,498 Oh, Anna, it's okay. Let me see your nails. 156 00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:58,963 You were already in trouble with the law. 157 00:13:59,047 --> 00:14:03,385 Then, you helped Tonia defy a court order. Doesn't that worry you? 158 00:14:04,636 --> 00:14:05,637 No. 159 00:14:06,763 --> 00:14:08,723 I wasn't scared at all. 160 00:14:08,807 --> 00:14:12,644 I was prepared to be confronted by anybody. 161 00:14:15,230 --> 00:14:17,899 Once I announced that Tonka had passed, 162 00:14:17,982 --> 00:14:22,529 Jared Goodman, the attorney for PETA, contacted me wanting proof. 163 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:25,615 So, I was like, "Okay, I cremated him. I cremated him!" 164 00:14:26,616 --> 00:14:30,870 It looks like dirt, but it's very fine. 165 00:14:32,163 --> 00:14:37,293 We knew there was no real basis to believe that Tonka had actually died. 166 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:41,715 Frankly, given her lies up till this point in the case, 167 00:14:41,798 --> 00:14:44,884 it was remarkable that she expected anyone to believe this. 168 00:14:44,968 --> 00:14:48,680 So then, they're like, "Okay, well, we need some ashes." So, I'm like, 169 00:14:48,763 --> 00:14:50,515 "Okay, where am I gonna come up with these ashes?” 170 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:59,607 It was so important to me to help Tonia protect her relationship with Tonka. 171 00:14:59,691 --> 00:15:04,320 So, I said, "You know, I've got Ricky out there. 172 00:15:05,363 --> 00:15:07,574 "What a better purpose for him 173 00:15:07,657 --> 00:15:10,952 to be part of this greater scheme of things." 174 00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:14,164 So, we dug him up. 175 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:19,085 But I mean, he was very much, 80% decomposed. 176 00:15:19,169 --> 00:15:23,298 Now, mind you, I had already removed his head. 177 00:15:24,174 --> 00:15:25,842 I did want to preserve his skull. 178 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,721 When our house by the lake was ready, 179 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:32,724 we went to go pick up Tonka and Ricky. 180 00:15:33,391 --> 00:15:37,020 So here, we had this chimp body in the back of our truck 181 00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:40,982 with the fugitive going all the way from Ohio to Missouri. 182 00:15:41,066 --> 00:15:43,318 And if we would have been stopped for any reason, 183 00:15:43,401 --> 00:15:45,070 they would have thought that was a human remain, 184 00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:48,156 'cause they're so closely related. With no head. 185 00:15:48,239 --> 00:15:49,699 Like a Jeffrey Dahmer thing. 186 00:16:02,128 --> 00:16:03,713 You're so funny. 187 00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:06,508 This house was perfect. 188 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:12,472 It's up off the road. It's in a rural area. Nobody bothers you. 189 00:16:16,017 --> 00:16:18,353 I got your butt. I got your butt. 190 00:16:19,145 --> 00:16:20,939 And he's very quiet. 191 00:16:21,022 --> 00:16:23,191 Even though there was people here constantly, 192 00:16:23,274 --> 00:16:26,111 they had no clue that there was a chimpanzee here. 193 00:16:28,405 --> 00:16:32,075 People spent the night here, did not know there was a chimpanzee here. 194 00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:36,830 She even kept it from me for a while. 195 00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:40,208 The first little bit of my time here, she wouldn't let me go downstairs. 196 00:16:40,290 --> 00:16:42,002 And I'd never understood why. 197 00:16:42,711 --> 00:16:45,088 One day, I came down here, 198 00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:48,341 and I just saw him, and I was just like, holy crap. 199 00:16:50,093 --> 00:16:52,637 It's very stressful, you have to watch your P's and Q's 200 00:16:52,721 --> 00:16:54,180 when you talk to people. 201 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:56,224 In all intents and purposes, he's a fugitive. 202 00:16:57,183 --> 00:17:00,895 It's like walking on eggshells, man. 203 00:17:03,231 --> 00:17:06,151 While it's a worthy cause for this boy, 100%, 204 00:17:06,233 --> 00:17:08,153 it does scare me. 205 00:17:08,236 --> 00:17:12,490 I'm just afraid that she might, you know, 206 00:17:12,574 --> 00:17:15,035 get too caught up in this and not worry about herself. 207 00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:18,413 'Cause that's how she's always been her entire life. 208 00:17:20,205 --> 00:17:23,084 I think God has plans for everybody. 209 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:26,378 And I think I was just planned to be a caregiver. 210 00:17:26,463 --> 00:17:29,341 God gave us marriage for the well-being of human society 211 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:32,969 and for the birth and nurturance of children. 212 00:17:33,053 --> 00:17:35,096 I got married when I was young. 213 00:17:37,057 --> 00:17:39,934 My husband was quite a bit older than I was. 214 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:44,397 He didn't believe in women working, 215 00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:46,816 but I always felt like I had a need to do something. 216 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:51,154 So, he allowed me to become a foster parent. 217 00:17:52,447 --> 00:17:56,326 I was 19 years old and the youngest foster parent 218 00:17:56,409 --> 00:17:57,660 in the state of Missouri. 219 00:17:58,953 --> 00:18:02,457 I've had approximately 75 foster kids, 220 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:05,335 and then some medically necessary placements, too. 221 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:08,004 You start hanging around those special needs kids, 222 00:18:08,088 --> 00:18:11,549 and you realize they were kind of like the kids that were left behind. 223 00:18:11,633 --> 00:18:14,260 So then, of course, that's the kids I wanted to help most. 224 00:18:15,387 --> 00:18:18,932 That's how I got my daughter when she was six weeks old. 225 00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:26,272 She had fetal alcohol syndrome, so she required lots and lots of care. 226 00:18:26,356 --> 00:18:30,652 I got to adopt her officially when she was a little over two years old. 227 00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:33,196 The judge said, "Are you sure you want to take this on? 228 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:36,908 Because she'll probably never be a productive citizen." 229 00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:38,952 And I said, "I've had her ever since she was a baby. 230 00:18:39,035 --> 00:18:40,870 Why would I change that now?" 231 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:44,541 And then, I found out I was pregnant with my son, 232 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,085 the only biological son I have. 233 00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:51,381 The two kids were the most important thing for many years. 234 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,967 Then, my kids started doing their activities 235 00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:57,429 and being gone, and so I was there by myself. 236 00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:05,020 I remember the time she picked me up from school, 237 00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:07,731 and I noticed little premature diapers in the back. 238 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,733 And so, I asked her, I was like, "Are we having a-- 239 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:13,570 Am I having another brother or sister?" And she said, "Yeah, something like that." 240 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,410 Life kind of just revolved around the monkeys. 241 00:19:23,788 --> 00:19:27,208 If I had a school event or whatever, and the monkeys had to be watched, 242 00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:29,919 she'd stay home and watch the monkeys. 243 00:19:33,256 --> 00:19:36,885 There was an underlying feeling of just kind of feeling like, 244 00:19:36,968 --> 00:19:41,139 I don't want to say abandoned, but definitely just feel like 245 00:19:42,474 --> 00:19:44,559 "Where do I fit into the picture?" 246 00:19:45,977 --> 00:19:48,188 I love these chimps more than anything in the world, 247 00:19:48,271 --> 00:19:50,440 and I mean more than anything-- more than my kids, 248 00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:52,400 more than anything, and I want these chimpanzees... 249 00:19:52,484 --> 00:19:56,404 At the court hearing, she literally said, and I quote, "I care about these monkeys 250 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:58,531 more than I care about my own kids." 251 00:19:58,615 --> 00:20:02,369 Yeah, and that kind of felt like that was the mentality a lot of times. 252 00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:06,831 What are you doing, Bubba? 253 00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:10,377 What are you doing? 254 00:20:11,586 --> 00:20:14,464 I don't have the emotional attachment to this animal 255 00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:16,007 quite like she does. 256 00:20:16,091 --> 00:20:18,009 I have one, but it's nothing like hers. 257 00:20:18,093 --> 00:20:20,053 I mean, I've never seen her that passionate 258 00:20:20,136 --> 00:20:22,806 about anything in my life, you know, ever. 259 00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:25,266 And that includes her own son. 260 00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:30,355 It does scare me because my mom thinks with emotion 261 00:20:30,438 --> 00:20:32,232 and not sometimes with logic. 262 00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:34,484 You know, she said it several times, 263 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:35,944 "If they take him away, I don't have nothing." 264 00:20:37,112 --> 00:20:40,323 I think she feels that nobody needs her. 265 00:20:41,366 --> 00:20:42,951 I love her to death and tell her all the time, 266 00:20:43,034 --> 00:20:44,577 and I think if you asked her, she would say 267 00:20:44,661 --> 00:20:46,329 that I don't need her, and she's not important 268 00:20:46,413 --> 00:20:48,373 in my life, which is very untrue. 269 00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:50,709 I truly think she feels that way. 270 00:20:52,043 --> 00:20:55,755 That's where the big attraction to these primates comes in. 271 00:20:56,715 --> 00:20:58,633 They're like children that never grow up. 272 00:20:59,551 --> 00:21:01,803 So, they're constantly gonna need her care. 273 00:21:02,929 --> 00:21:04,597 Twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, 274 00:21:04,681 --> 00:21:07,600 365 days a year, that's the monkeys. 275 00:21:08,685 --> 00:21:10,687 I'll be honest with you, I used to hate the idea 276 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,690 of being around them and stuff, but the joy that she has 277 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:15,358 for taking care of these animals, man, 278 00:21:15,442 --> 00:21:18,111 like, I'm telling you, you can just tell she's happy. 279 00:21:19,654 --> 00:21:21,990 And I can't get in the way of that. 280 00:21:29,372 --> 00:21:34,336 There is this culture of almost entirely women 281 00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:38,340 who raise chimpanzees and monkeys as if they're babies. 282 00:21:45,305 --> 00:21:50,268 They have to create this myth that "This animal is my son." 283 00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:53,355 Stop. You need to stop the biting. Stop. 284 00:21:55,899 --> 00:21:57,525 "He's part of my family." 285 00:22:02,781 --> 00:22:07,285 They have outfits for Valentine's, for St. Patrick's, for Christmas, 286 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:09,996 for Fourth of July, everything. 287 00:22:10,538 --> 00:22:13,541 But this family dynamic is a fantasy 288 00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:16,127 that inevitably ends in tragedy. 289 00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:20,924 And that was the case with Buck in Pendleton. 290 00:22:29,307 --> 00:22:32,394 Pendleton is a Western town. 291 00:22:33,687 --> 00:22:36,314 We pride ourselves on being rural Oregon. 292 00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:38,900 We are a conservative town, 293 00:22:38,983 --> 00:22:41,945 but we are also a very tight-knit community. 294 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:44,989 Everybody here kind of knows everybody. 295 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:48,618 But I never knew about Buck. 296 00:22:50,537 --> 00:22:54,332 Until the day Tamara Brogoitti walked into my store 297 00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:56,418 with a chimpanzee on her back. 298 00:22:59,838 --> 00:23:02,048 This is my little scrapbook. 299 00:23:02,132 --> 00:23:04,968 Over the years, I kind of collected a handful of pictures. 300 00:23:07,429 --> 00:23:09,139 That's me and my buddy, 301 00:23:09,222 --> 00:23:11,766 when he was just a small tyke riding on my back. 302 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:13,435 Bucky backpack. 303 00:23:13,518 --> 00:23:14,769 But he was a little fellow. 304 00:23:14,853 --> 00:23:17,022 That was probably very early on in my time there. 305 00:23:19,649 --> 00:23:22,610 When I first met Buck, he at the time would have been 306 00:23:22,694 --> 00:23:24,404 about three, four years old. 307 00:23:25,321 --> 00:23:26,614 One day, I was at work. 308 00:23:27,032 --> 00:23:29,826 Tamara came in with this ape on her back, 309 00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,120 and he immediately crawled down off her shoulder 310 00:23:32,203 --> 00:23:33,955 to come greet me and say hi to me. 311 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:38,209 He gave me kind of a little hug, 312 00:23:38,293 --> 00:23:41,129 and he kind of sniffed me and checked me out everywhere. 313 00:23:42,005 --> 00:23:43,340 We seemed to have a moment there. 314 00:23:44,007 --> 00:23:45,633 So, once she asked me if I would like 315 00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:48,345 to have a playdate with Buck, I, of course, you know, 316 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:50,055 was over there in a heartbeat. 317 00:23:50,138 --> 00:23:52,432 We got monkey. 318 00:23:53,808 --> 00:23:57,937 When I first came into the home and saw how Tamara was raising Buck, 319 00:23:58,021 --> 00:23:59,856 it was very easy to be dazzled. 320 00:24:00,607 --> 00:24:02,400 He lived like a little boy. 321 00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:04,319 He took bubble baths. 322 00:24:04,402 --> 00:24:07,072 He went potty on the toilet. 323 00:24:07,155 --> 00:24:08,615 What do you do when you pee? 324 00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:12,243 Thank you. 325 00:24:12,327 --> 00:24:15,330 He had a skateboard. He had puppies. 326 00:24:16,081 --> 00:24:17,749 She's gonna eat you. 327 00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:19,334 And you're just sitting there sucking your thumb 328 00:24:19,417 --> 00:24:20,543 like a wiener. 329 00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:24,255 Are you cuddling my foot? 330 00:24:24,339 --> 00:24:28,176 I spent at least four to six days a week down there. 331 00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:30,887 I was there with him every moment I wasn't working. 332 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:34,015 Both hands on the wheel. Safety first. 333 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:36,559 We had quite the relationship. 334 00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:39,562 You ready for your next bite, Your Majesty? 335 00:24:41,439 --> 00:24:46,236 You look ridiculous, dude. Especially with the one shoe. 336 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:55,036 Tamara would take Buck to a lot of our local establishments. 337 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,581 Hardware stores. Fast food restaurants. 338 00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:02,043 The local pizza place delivered lots of pizzas up there. 339 00:25:02,127 --> 00:25:05,171 I've never delivered to a chimp ever before. 340 00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,424 When I get up there, he would take my hands, 341 00:25:07,507 --> 00:25:08,925 and we'd jump up and down. 342 00:25:09,009 --> 00:25:13,304 He loved the pizza. He was kind of our little local rock star. 343 00:25:13,388 --> 00:25:17,475 And lots of people knew that maybe today was the day they got to see the ape. 344 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,019 We'd go down to the tavern. 345 00:25:19,102 --> 00:25:22,188 Tamara would bring Buck down there to eat dinner with 'em. 346 00:25:22,272 --> 00:25:26,109 And he sat down there just like a human and ate his food. 347 00:25:26,192 --> 00:25:27,944 Very well-mannered at the dinner table. 348 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,534 Tamara was friends with my mom, and she encouraged me to come over. 349 00:25:35,493 --> 00:25:38,538 It was good for Buck. He needed to socialize. 350 00:25:38,621 --> 00:25:43,501 When I was coming up the driveway, he would jump into my arms, 351 00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:46,671 and he would just be shaking while he was hugging me. 352 00:25:49,299 --> 00:25:53,803 Buck was the most extraordinary thing that this town has ever had to offer. 353 00:25:53,887 --> 00:25:55,764 He was amazing, and he was beautiful. 354 00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,641 And what about Tamara? 355 00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:03,605 Tamara Brogoitti. 356 00:26:06,274 --> 00:26:08,943 She was a regular at the liquor store. 357 00:26:09,027 --> 00:26:12,197 Tamara Brogoitti did not walk in and buy a fifth of booze. 358 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,283 We got six half-gallons and we put them in a box. 359 00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:19,245 She was a lonely woman, her husband had died. 360 00:26:19,329 --> 00:26:22,540 And after he passed, she would take his clothes 361 00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:24,584 and put them on Buck. 362 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:28,672 As far as Tamara's children go, 363 00:26:28,755 --> 00:26:31,049 there was a lot of resentment. 364 00:26:32,342 --> 00:26:34,386 I love my mother with all my heart. 365 00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:41,393 But she is one tough, mean old lady. 366 00:26:43,812 --> 00:26:45,772 And that's about what I gotta say about her. 367 00:26:46,940 --> 00:26:48,233 That's about it. 368 00:26:50,151 --> 00:26:51,486 Okay, roll film. 369 00:26:56,074 --> 00:27:00,578 Buck was the most beautiful animal I ever seen. 370 00:27:01,621 --> 00:27:05,333 A lot of those chimpanzees are ugly as sin. 371 00:27:05,417 --> 00:27:08,753 And he was very handsome. 372 00:27:11,756 --> 00:27:13,800 He's the Tom Brady of chimpanzees. 373 00:27:14,884 --> 00:27:18,805 My mother loved that thing more than she loved me. 374 00:27:18,888 --> 00:27:21,891 He slept in her bed with her. 375 00:27:22,851 --> 00:27:24,269 That was her teddy bear. 376 00:27:26,438 --> 00:27:29,941 Buck was Tamara's life at that point. 377 00:27:30,775 --> 00:27:33,486 She said that she was a primatologist 378 00:27:33,570 --> 00:27:35,655 doing research or a study. 379 00:27:36,906 --> 00:27:38,992 She was gonna be the first person 380 00:27:39,075 --> 00:27:42,412 to ever raise a chimpanzee in a family setting. 381 00:27:42,495 --> 00:27:45,749 I mean, that was it. There was no questioning that. 382 00:27:47,125 --> 00:27:48,418 Not the case. 383 00:27:49,336 --> 00:27:53,381 I found her to have graduated from Everett Community College in 1986. 384 00:27:53,465 --> 00:27:57,218 She did not have anything that qualified her in any way. 385 00:27:57,302 --> 00:28:02,349 And I don't know that she really regarded Buck's safety, his well-being. 386 00:28:02,432 --> 00:28:05,810 It was more about her getting attention for him. 387 00:28:06,895 --> 00:28:09,189 I didn't think it was gonna happen quite this way, 388 00:28:09,272 --> 00:28:11,775 but I knew that Buck was never gonna be completely safe 389 00:28:11,858 --> 00:28:13,234 in her care long-term. 390 00:28:19,032 --> 00:28:21,076 Bring me the star! 391 00:28:27,123 --> 00:28:28,541 Tonka, sit. 392 00:28:36,675 --> 00:28:38,385 I know. I know. 393 00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:41,554 You're my best friend. I know, you're my best friend. 394 00:28:46,184 --> 00:28:47,268 That tickles. 395 00:28:48,019 --> 00:28:49,688 My mom cares about this animal. 396 00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:52,732 I think there's a bond. 397 00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:55,819 I think she saved him and he saved her, honestly. 398 00:28:56,861 --> 00:28:59,781 I just wish PETA would see my mom's side of the story. 399 00:29:00,865 --> 00:29:04,411 They think she's doing it for some kind of notoriety. 400 00:29:04,494 --> 00:29:07,539 They don't see the compassion that she really has. 401 00:29:08,665 --> 00:29:10,125 She's trying to rescue this animal 402 00:29:10,208 --> 00:29:12,961 from what she believes is not a safe environment. 403 00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:17,382 He can't be with other chimps like what they wanna do with him. 404 00:29:17,465 --> 00:29:21,845 They want to put him in a chimp sanctuary, and they can't do that. 405 00:29:23,471 --> 00:29:25,432 Any time that there's an altercation 406 00:29:25,515 --> 00:29:28,351 with other chimps and stuff, he won't fight. 407 00:29:28,435 --> 00:29:30,687 He's such a human chimp. He doesn't know how to fight. 408 00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:34,774 He doesn't want to fight. He just submits. 409 00:29:34,858 --> 00:29:38,028 Even at Cy's, he got his butt kicked. 410 00:29:38,111 --> 00:29:40,447 He's had, one time, 360 sutures. 411 00:29:42,699 --> 00:29:45,577 He's just so docile. He has no mean bone in his body. 412 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,204 And so, these other monkeys bully him and gang up on him. 413 00:29:49,497 --> 00:29:51,207 It just doesn't make any sense to me. 414 00:29:51,291 --> 00:29:53,626 Like if you know he's gonna go into something he can't survive, 415 00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:55,211 then why would you do that? 416 00:29:56,129 --> 00:29:59,049 You want something to drink? Give me that paper. 417 00:30:01,384 --> 00:30:03,345 My biggest fear is this kid. 418 00:30:03,428 --> 00:30:05,013 It's not me, and everybody's like, 419 00:30:05,096 --> 00:30:07,390 "Well, I'm worried about you." I'm not worried about me. 420 00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:10,226 Now, can you wave? Good boy. 421 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:13,521 They can throw me in jail for a year, I don't care. 422 00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:16,691 I'm not obligated to anybody except this kid right here. 423 00:30:16,775 --> 00:30:19,402 Can you take a bow? Good boy. 424 00:30:23,823 --> 00:30:29,037 Happy birthday, dear Apollo! 425 00:30:30,538 --> 00:30:32,123 Close-up magic. 426 00:30:32,207 --> 00:30:35,418 You always have to keep your eye on the ball. 427 00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:46,680 Hello? 428 00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:57,524 So, I'm just kind of talking about this as a hypothetical. 429 00:30:57,607 --> 00:31:02,404 What would generally be her exposure? 430 00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:25,510 What would be a possible way out of the situation? 431 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:58,084 So, none of it sounds good. 432 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,103 PETA has been exhausting a lot of resources to find Tonka. 433 00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:22,859 And after the beginning of 2022, we put up a $10,000 reward. 434 00:32:25,737 --> 00:32:29,366 If Tonka is still alive and stashed somewhere, 435 00:32:29,449 --> 00:32:31,785 there are people who know it. 436 00:32:31,868 --> 00:32:34,454 And $10,000 is a significant incentive. 437 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,125 They've actually put us in harm's way. 438 00:32:39,209 --> 00:32:42,712 You have these kooks that feel like they're vigilantes 439 00:32:42,796 --> 00:32:46,466 that's gonna go out and they're gonna seek this reward. 440 00:32:47,008 --> 00:32:48,218 One of these days, I'm gonna be on the couch 441 00:32:48,301 --> 00:32:50,512 and someone's gonna come banging on the door 442 00:32:50,595 --> 00:32:51,930 looking for Tonka. 443 00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:57,477 People who own exotic animals know that we're a threat to them. 444 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,397 We know their secrets. 445 00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:13,743 As I get older, this doesn't get any easier. 446 00:33:18,123 --> 00:33:21,042 I would say somewhere close to seven years. 447 00:33:21,126 --> 00:33:23,003 It started off kind of just being play buddies 448 00:33:23,086 --> 00:33:26,548 and hanging out, and over time, we kind of created a different relationship. 449 00:33:26,631 --> 00:33:28,883 I became more of like a nanny of sorts. 450 00:33:30,176 --> 00:33:33,763 Hands down, the best moments I'll ever remember. 451 00:33:33,847 --> 00:33:35,640 I mean, like, one of my favorite moments 452 00:33:35,724 --> 00:33:37,350 was the first time I ever gave him chewing gum. 453 00:33:39,894 --> 00:33:42,772 He sat in the mirror and watched himself chew gum. 454 00:33:42,856 --> 00:33:44,441 Just fascinated by it. 455 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:46,818 Very chewy. 456 00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:51,781 My not working there anymore didn't have anything to do with Buck. 457 00:33:53,491 --> 00:33:57,162 The ape was great, but I couldn't deal with the human. 458 00:33:59,456 --> 00:34:04,753 Tamara, do you not want to be involved in getting Buck's story out? 459 00:34:04,836 --> 00:34:07,714 Because it's gonna get done with or without you, and I, 460 00:34:07,797 --> 00:34:08,797 I don't-- 461 00:34:31,404 --> 00:34:33,656 Tamara wanted the entire community to believe 462 00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:36,618 that she was constantly building and constructing 463 00:34:36,701 --> 00:34:39,829 a project that was gonna benefit Buck's long-term life. 464 00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:43,333 She was gonna build an outdoor enclosure area. 465 00:34:43,416 --> 00:34:45,877 It was going to be, you know, two stories tall. 466 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,214 It was going to have fire hoses and tire swings. 467 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:52,300 But nothing was ever built for him. 468 00:34:53,677 --> 00:34:54,886 He wasn't happy. 469 00:34:55,804 --> 00:34:57,639 He didn't get to go hang out in the jungle, 470 00:34:57,722 --> 00:35:01,476 climb trees, eat fruit, meet ladies, you know, 471 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:04,479 get in fistfights, get laid. 472 00:35:05,563 --> 00:35:09,025 He didn't have friends and playmates and shit, you know? 473 00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:12,779 Just my wonderful mother. 474 00:35:14,489 --> 00:35:18,118 Around that time is when Tamara had Buck castrated. 475 00:35:18,201 --> 00:35:20,495 He was no longer being treated like the baby boy. 476 00:35:20,578 --> 00:35:22,872 He was now being treated like an animal, 477 00:35:22,956 --> 00:35:24,833 wearing padlocks around his neck. 478 00:35:25,834 --> 00:35:28,420 And that graduated to the shock collars. 479 00:35:29,671 --> 00:35:33,383 When he would get upset, his bowel would empty. 480 00:35:33,466 --> 00:35:35,719 So, she bought a portable commode. 481 00:35:36,344 --> 00:35:38,680 However, she was so bad at emptying it, 482 00:35:38,763 --> 00:35:40,849 that there would be days when it was completely full. 483 00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:44,477 Tamara absolutely deprived Buck of everything 484 00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:47,105 that he needed to be an ape. 485 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,442 She had created this whole fantasy, 486 00:35:50,525 --> 00:35:53,611 and anybody knowing the truth about that property, 487 00:35:53,695 --> 00:35:56,698 that was gonna uproot and just ruin that fantasy. 488 00:36:00,035 --> 00:36:03,329 When PETA initially found out about Buck, 489 00:36:03,413 --> 00:36:06,291 we were able to find some photos on Facebook. 490 00:36:07,167 --> 00:36:11,379 She was just letting Buck live freely in the home. 491 00:36:11,463 --> 00:36:13,465 That was alarming to us. 492 00:36:13,548 --> 00:36:17,344 So, PETA submitted a complaint to Oregon Wildlife Authorities 493 00:36:17,427 --> 00:36:21,181 about violations at Brogoitti's. 494 00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:39,991 Out of the blue one day, I got a call, and the person said, "This is Tamara." 495 00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:47,957 She behaved erratically. She would sob. 496 00:36:48,041 --> 00:36:50,794 She would accuse me of trying to steal Buck. 497 00:36:52,003 --> 00:36:56,007 And then she invited me to Oregon to visit Buck. 498 00:36:56,091 --> 00:36:59,302 She thought that she was going to be able to convince me 499 00:36:59,386 --> 00:37:02,681 that she was giving Buck a great life. 500 00:37:02,764 --> 00:37:06,351 They tried to make that appointment, make that day to visit Tamara and Buck, 501 00:37:06,434 --> 00:37:08,061 and Tamara ghosted them. 502 00:37:09,020 --> 00:37:10,730 It's Tamara's inner turmoil. 503 00:37:10,814 --> 00:37:13,149 "On the one hand, I want to show everybody this ape, 504 00:37:13,233 --> 00:37:15,568 "and I want to make sure that everybody's looking at me. 505 00:37:15,652 --> 00:37:17,570 "But on the other hand, please don't look at my ape, 506 00:37:17,654 --> 00:37:20,448 because if you're the right people, you're gonna know it's wrong." 507 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,661 She's going to stall until she can buy herself enough time 508 00:37:24,744 --> 00:37:27,163 to figure out how she's going to get through it. 509 00:37:28,540 --> 00:37:33,336 We were so desperately trying to get him into an appropriate environment, 510 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:36,715 but Tamara wasn't going to let that happen. 511 00:37:39,551 --> 00:37:43,388 With this new pressure on her, she was panicking. 512 00:37:43,471 --> 00:37:46,850 Tamara had been isolating herself and Buck more and more. 513 00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:48,560 And he could no longer go into town, 514 00:37:48,643 --> 00:37:50,854 and he could no longer go out into these businesses. 515 00:37:51,813 --> 00:37:55,734 Couldn't bring friends over to the house. They would have seen how neglected he was. 516 00:37:55,817 --> 00:37:58,945 She just wanted him to sit still and hang out with her 517 00:37:59,029 --> 00:38:00,905 while she was drinking her scotch. 518 00:38:07,912 --> 00:38:10,373 Come here, Tonk. 519 00:38:10,457 --> 00:38:12,000 I know you want to see. 520 00:38:13,585 --> 00:38:15,754 He likes to watch Instagram. 521 00:38:42,572 --> 00:38:44,157 Like this one. 522 00:38:57,962 --> 00:38:59,964 Welcome to another episode of Not In the-- 523 00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:19,734 We do this every day, we go through new videos. 524 00:39:19,818 --> 00:39:21,569 ...grow the exact same rate... 525 00:39:21,653 --> 00:39:27,867 If PETA wasn't hardcore after him, we'd let you go out. 526 00:39:35,667 --> 00:39:37,544 If Tonia still has Tonka, 527 00:39:37,627 --> 00:39:39,838 Tonka's alive and she's hiding him, 528 00:39:39,921 --> 00:39:41,423 she's kind of trapped. 529 00:39:41,506 --> 00:39:44,300 What can she do? You know, she's got this chimp. 530 00:39:44,384 --> 00:39:45,927 She can't really take him out and go for a walk 531 00:39:46,011 --> 00:39:47,470 'cause everyone will see her. 532 00:39:47,554 --> 00:39:48,763 Voila! 533 00:39:48,847 --> 00:39:52,517 If this is happening, she must know what a dangerous thing it is for her. 534 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,019 Put it on your neck. 535 00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:56,563 PETA are still observing, 536 00:39:56,646 --> 00:39:58,732 and people are eventually going to find out. 537 00:39:59,482 --> 00:40:02,736 Where's Tonka? Where's that old Tonka? 538 00:40:02,819 --> 00:40:04,279 There he is! 539 00:40:05,155 --> 00:40:06,573 He's off and running. 540 00:40:10,118 --> 00:40:11,995 Let's put these on and show everybody. 541 00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:18,168 I've never met Tonia. 542 00:40:18,251 --> 00:40:22,422 To me, she's a woman wronged, and spurned, and furious 543 00:40:22,505 --> 00:40:25,300 at her love being wrenched from her. 544 00:40:26,384 --> 00:40:29,721 I have great empathy for that, for that feeling. 545 00:40:30,638 --> 00:40:33,933 I loved that chimp so much. I had a special, special bond. 546 00:40:34,017 --> 00:40:36,728 So, I understand if she has that. 547 00:40:36,811 --> 00:40:40,440 And I truly understand how you behave crazily 548 00:40:40,523 --> 00:40:43,485 for what you consider to be your family. 549 00:40:43,568 --> 00:40:45,862 I mean, I really do feel sorry for her. 550 00:40:45,945 --> 00:40:49,032 I truly do, I really have great empathy for her. 551 00:40:49,741 --> 00:40:53,286 But I have more empathy for Tonka. 552 00:40:54,162 --> 00:40:58,625 So, then I put up another $10,000 to match PETA's, 553 00:40:58,708 --> 00:41:02,212 just in the hope that someone will come forward 554 00:41:02,295 --> 00:41:04,589 and help us get some information. 555 00:41:06,007 --> 00:41:07,467 Are you scrubbing? Are you scrubbing? 556 00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:11,179 Are you working? You better work for yourself, boy. 557 00:41:12,222 --> 00:41:16,226 You almost did one! Come on, you can do it! You can do it! 558 00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:17,686 Oh, not that one! 559 00:41:17,769 --> 00:41:19,437 Tonka, use your fork. 560 00:41:24,275 --> 00:41:28,738 It's important for me not to overreach into the story, 561 00:41:28,822 --> 00:41:32,450 but just document it, and let the viewers 562 00:41:32,534 --> 00:41:35,203 at the end of this story come to their conclusion. 563 00:41:35,286 --> 00:41:37,539 That's always the best device, sure. 564 00:41:37,622 --> 00:41:41,376 But, you know, we had obviously never thought 565 00:41:41,459 --> 00:41:44,587 in our wildest imagination we would be in a situation like this. 566 00:41:44,671 --> 00:41:49,134 Do we turn her in, or do we continue following the story? 567 00:41:50,343 --> 00:41:52,762 What would you do in a situation like that? 568 00:41:52,846 --> 00:41:55,849 As journalists, we don't want to do something 569 00:41:55,932 --> 00:41:59,644 that's morally, ethically wrong, 570 00:41:59,728 --> 00:42:04,315 but we are looking at how we can act to get the story. 571 00:42:04,399 --> 00:42:10,071 And you have to hope that the end result is more positive than negative. 572 00:42:11,072 --> 00:42:12,866 Is there a greater good? 573 00:42:12,949 --> 00:42:18,079 Do you feel comfortable that there won't be something negative 574 00:42:18,163 --> 00:42:19,748 that will occur if you wait? 575 00:42:33,219 --> 00:42:35,722 Keelie says, "Up yours, PETA." 576 00:42:39,517 --> 00:42:41,936 Oh, the cover right here of "Variety" magazine. 577 00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:44,856 This little bastard, look at this article. 578 00:42:45,774 --> 00:42:47,567 This is all bullshit. 579 00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:50,487 He didn't care about Tonka, 'cause that movie 580 00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:52,906 was done in 1997, 581 00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:55,533 and he didn't even know anything about Tonka. 582 00:42:55,617 --> 00:42:58,536 Never offered to come visit, never offered to bring him a gift, 583 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:02,123 never offered to send him anything, never cared about where he was 584 00:43:02,207 --> 00:43:06,211 until PETA pledged the campaign against Connie, 585 00:43:06,294 --> 00:43:08,838 and they paid him to get involved. 586 00:43:09,798 --> 00:43:12,592 Just absolutely pisses me fucking off. 587 00:43:14,552 --> 00:43:18,556 This is very bad on their behalf. Very bad. 588 00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:50,171 I know the pressure that you're under from all of this. 589 00:43:50,255 --> 00:43:54,175 Alan Cummings' reward or PETA's reward. 590 00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:18,551 Man... 591 00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:31,606 Yeah. How do you feel about that? 592 00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:39,572 I know. I know. 593 00:45:40,990 --> 00:45:46,079 I'll get the crew together and we'll figure out when we're coming. 594 00:45:51,001 --> 00:45:52,836 -Yeah, she's gonna euthanize-- -Tell us. Tell us. Tell us. 595 00:45:54,421 --> 00:45:56,381 No, the chimp is in bad-- 596 00:45:57,757 --> 00:46:01,386 Okay, I'm not a vet, but you can see that the chimp 597 00:46:01,469 --> 00:46:03,388 is in failing health. 598 00:46:06,725 --> 00:46:10,020 Would she really kill the chimp and make her problems worse? 599 00:46:11,104 --> 00:46:15,191 Well, there is no problem, is there? Because the chimp doesn't exist. 600 00:46:18,737 --> 00:46:23,324 If the chimp goes away, the liability goes away 601 00:46:23,408 --> 00:46:26,036 from everybody involved in it. 602 00:46:27,537 --> 00:46:32,083 Do you think this sounds awfully similar to the chimp in Pendleton? 603 00:46:33,418 --> 00:46:34,919 Yes. 604 00:46:38,048 --> 00:46:40,633 I don't know a lot about PETA, 605 00:46:40,717 --> 00:46:44,137 but they like to take animals away from people. 606 00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:48,016 And my mother just said, you know, pretty much, 607 00:46:48,099 --> 00:46:50,185 "Fuck you, I want to do this to the end." 608 00:46:55,482 --> 00:46:57,359 She tried to get me to go move back up there. 609 00:46:57,442 --> 00:46:58,818 I said no. 610 00:46:58,902 --> 00:47:03,907 And then she got my sister, April, to go stay up there to help. 611 00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:09,871 Buck had now been completely confined to just the upstairs. 612 00:47:09,954 --> 00:47:13,416 The downstairs room that he had lived in his entire childhood, 613 00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:17,128 now, some stranger's living in there with all of their stuff in there. 614 00:47:20,882 --> 00:47:26,846 Every day, Buck and my mother would go out and have their coffee and tea. 615 00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:32,018 The protocol was, before she let Buck out, Mom would call my sister 616 00:47:32,102 --> 00:47:35,689 to make sure the door is locked downstairs. 617 00:47:35,772 --> 00:47:38,191 Well, everyone forgot protocol. 618 00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:43,655 As soon as Mom let Buck out, 619 00:47:43,738 --> 00:47:46,449 he ran down there wanting to go see my sister. 620 00:47:47,784 --> 00:47:49,494 And then, it began. 621 00:48:00,714 --> 00:48:04,134 It lasted between five and eight minutes. 622 00:48:07,971 --> 00:48:09,556 A bloody fight. 623 00:48:14,019 --> 00:48:18,690 She was lying in bed, kicking at him, trying to defend herself. 624 00:48:20,233 --> 00:48:22,193 If Buck wanted to kill April, he could have. 625 00:48:23,653 --> 00:48:24,946 But he stopped. 626 00:48:29,743 --> 00:48:31,453 And after it was done 627 00:48:33,329 --> 00:48:36,833 he looked at my mom like he was confused. 628 00:48:39,836 --> 00:48:42,005 He was like, "I don't know what happened.” 629 00:48:46,259 --> 00:48:48,094 911, what is your emergency? 630 00:48:51,306 --> 00:48:52,891 What's going on? 631 00:48:56,102 --> 00:48:57,979 When Tamara makes the 911 call... 632 00:48:58,063 --> 00:49:00,190 I'm gonna go through the brush right here. 633 00:49:00,273 --> 00:49:03,485 ...the very weird thing is that she is calm as can be. 634 00:49:23,171 --> 00:49:24,964 Yeah. 635 00:49:26,966 --> 00:49:28,343 Well, he just moved. 636 00:49:29,678 --> 00:49:33,973 Tamara was done paying for him. She was done being isolated. 637 00:49:36,893 --> 00:49:39,145 There's a secondary fence under the patio. 638 00:49:40,355 --> 00:49:43,066 She was looking for a way out, 639 00:49:43,149 --> 00:49:46,528 but she was never going to let it be through PETA. 640 00:49:47,987 --> 00:49:48,947 Buddy? 641 00:49:55,704 --> 00:49:57,580 Alright, I'm gonna try to get in for a shot. 642 00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:01,167 Hey. 643 00:50:02,377 --> 00:50:03,795 Is there somebody there? 644 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,051 Okay. 645 00:50:14,097 --> 00:50:15,181 He's down. 646 00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:25,150 Okay. 647 00:50:31,573 --> 00:50:37,579 He took some big chunks out of her legs, her torso. 648 00:50:45,337 --> 00:50:46,755 It was horrible. 649 00:50:46,838 --> 00:50:49,674 I mean, it was like a shark bite. 650 00:50:50,425 --> 00:50:53,303 Sweetheart, I'll be up at the hospital. I'll be there. 651 00:50:55,972 --> 00:50:58,850 I love you, April. Everything's gonna be okay. 652 00:51:00,685 --> 00:51:01,853 It's gonna be okay, baby. 653 00:51:05,899 --> 00:51:09,319 I'm sorry. My sister's okay. 654 00:51:09,819 --> 00:51:12,572 Only because she's like the toughest human being alive. 655 00:51:16,034 --> 00:51:17,494 But it had to be done. 656 00:51:19,037 --> 00:51:23,833 The shooting was 100% justified, without question. 657 00:51:28,004 --> 00:51:31,007 Something else should have happened. 658 00:51:31,091 --> 00:51:34,552 He should not have been shot in the head. 659 00:51:37,847 --> 00:51:39,432 Should not have been killed. 660 00:51:43,353 --> 00:51:47,941 As soon as I found out that Buck died, I called Tamara. 661 00:51:49,651 --> 00:51:51,361 She didn't talk to me for very long, 662 00:51:51,444 --> 00:51:53,655 and she told me that Buck's death was my fault. 663 00:51:55,699 --> 00:51:58,076 What hurt me was not that Tamara accused me 664 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,078 of being responsible for Buck's death. 665 00:52:00,161 --> 00:52:04,833 It was just the complete senselessness 666 00:52:04,916 --> 00:52:07,669 of his death in the first place, 667 00:52:07,752 --> 00:52:13,299 especially when we were making progress, and... 668 00:52:19,305 --> 00:52:22,017 It's just awful that that happened to him. 669 00:52:27,856 --> 00:52:30,108 Ready? Here's your last one. 670 00:52:33,653 --> 00:52:35,321 Yes, you're a snot-face. 671 00:52:39,951 --> 00:52:43,079 I believe that Buck is a victim of circumstance, 672 00:52:43,163 --> 00:52:44,956 and he is a victim of humans. 673 00:52:47,417 --> 00:52:52,255 And I understand it is a beautiful baby that you feel so incredibly bonded to. 674 00:52:52,964 --> 00:52:55,050 And it is so strong, and it is so loving. 675 00:52:56,676 --> 00:52:58,762 But it is so for you. 676 00:53:00,847 --> 00:53:02,640 And it is at the expense of the ape. 677 00:53:07,103 --> 00:53:09,898 They don't understand. They don't understand. 678 00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:14,569 Because there is going to come a day when no matter how much you love him, 679 00:53:15,653 --> 00:53:17,655 he needs more than you can provide. 680 00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:27,457 We have some urgent information 681 00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:29,834 that we have to talk to you about immediately. 682 00:53:30,794 --> 00:53:36,633 It echoes a very similar storyline as Buck and Tamara in Pendleton. 683 00:53:37,801 --> 00:53:39,386 And we don't want that outcome. 684 00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:45,350 This is a phone conversation that we recorded. 685 00:54:12,002 --> 00:54:13,962 Thank you so much for sharing this information. 686 00:54:14,045 --> 00:54:18,925 It is critical, it's effectively what we've been looking for. 687 00:54:19,592 --> 00:54:23,013 And we will do everything we possibly can with it. 688 00:54:23,096 --> 00:54:25,640 And at least from my perspective, 689 00:54:25,724 --> 00:54:28,893 I think we're ready to discuss what that something is 690 00:54:28,977 --> 00:54:30,645 and how we're going to do it. 691 00:54:32,022 --> 00:54:33,440 Should we go off the record? 692 00:54:33,523 --> 00:54:35,025 -I think so. -Okay.