1 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,682 (dog barking) 2 00:00:24,941 --> 00:00:26,276 (police walkie beeping) 3 00:00:26,276 --> 00:00:28,778 officer 1: Let me-- let me get down over here. 4 00:00:28,778 --> 00:00:30,822 officer 2: I'm gonna go through the brush right here. 5 00:00:32,115 --> 00:00:33,616 (monkey screeching in distance) 6 00:00:33,658 --> 00:00:35,702 32, 42, 3202. 7 00:00:35,744 --> 00:00:37,746 (dog barking) 8 00:00:38,246 --> 00:00:40,749 -(indistinct radio chatter) -(walkie beeps) 9 00:00:45,628 --> 00:00:47,297 -(tense music playing) -(dog barking) 10 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:48,882 officer (over radio): Alright, copy. 11 00:00:52,677 --> 00:00:54,679 (screeching continues) 12 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,182 (barking continues) 13 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:01,269 officer 2: Yep. 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,190 -officer 1: Got it? -officer 2: Yep, he just moved. 15 00:01:07,776 --> 00:01:08,777 (echoing screeches) 16 00:01:09,694 --> 00:01:11,488 -(breeze blowing) -(birds cawing) 17 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:15,033 (eerie, solemn music playing) 18 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:27,712 ♪♪ 19 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:38,056 (Tonka huffing) 20 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:47,023 Tonia Haddix (whispering): Do you want to play? Do you want to play? 21 00:01:47,065 --> 00:01:49,401 Okay, Mom says okay. Mom says okay. 22 00:01:49,442 --> 00:01:50,568 (Tonia mimics huffing) 23 00:01:51,402 --> 00:01:53,405 (Tonka huffing) 24 00:02:12,549 --> 00:02:13,883 (whispers) Cheater, cheater. 25 00:02:13,925 --> 00:02:16,928 (normal voice) Now you're cheating. For sure! 26 00:02:17,345 --> 00:02:19,639 (quirky music playing) 27 00:02:21,891 --> 00:02:25,311 Dwayne Cunningham: So, we followed this story for a while 28 00:02:25,353 --> 00:02:28,648 and Tonka was supposed to be deceased. 29 00:02:30,442 --> 00:02:31,901 Yes. 30 00:02:31,943 --> 00:02:34,946 Dwayne: Um... how do you explain that? 31 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:39,409 (Tonia vocalizing) 32 00:02:39,451 --> 00:02:40,827 Tonia: Gimme. 33 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:42,954 I already said Tonka will never go 34 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:44,372 to the chimp sanctuary. 35 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:48,084 I opted to go against the court order. 36 00:02:49,002 --> 00:02:52,297 His health doesn't allow him to make a 14-hour travel 37 00:02:52,339 --> 00:02:54,007 to Florida sedated. 38 00:02:54,049 --> 00:02:55,508 It'll kill him. 39 00:02:59,054 --> 00:03:02,015 All this right here, that's not fat. 40 00:03:02,057 --> 00:03:03,266 That's fluid. 41 00:03:03,308 --> 00:03:05,143 He's definitely in congestive heart failure. 42 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,812 There's not even a question about that. 43 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:12,275 I want to make sure that he lives as long as he can, 44 00:03:12,317 --> 00:03:16,321 and live with people that can interact with him daily 45 00:03:16,363 --> 00:03:19,866 (chuckles) and do things, um, with him. 46 00:03:19,908 --> 00:03:22,827 We're down here all the time, and he's got an iPad. 47 00:03:22,869 --> 00:03:24,162 It's not a real iPad. 48 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:27,123 It's a kid one, but it has internet. 49 00:03:27,165 --> 00:03:29,125 He has his own email account. 50 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:30,835 Even though, I mean, I hope he don't email, 51 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:35,298 but if he does... uh, it is what it is. 52 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:37,384 ♪♪ 53 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:38,843 Here, see. 54 00:03:41,096 --> 00:03:44,182 He's gonna clean his window 'cause he messed it up. 55 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:49,145 Wipe it down-- down here, 56 00:03:49,187 --> 00:03:51,356 where you made that mess, clean it. (scoffs) 57 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:54,651 I think we made it worse, but maybe not. 58 00:03:54,692 --> 00:03:56,361 Here, down here. 59 00:03:56,403 --> 00:03:58,697 (glass squeaking) 60 00:04:00,699 --> 00:04:02,867 Tonia (on video feed): Good job. Good job. 61 00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:07,497 -Eric Goode: That's Tonka. -crew member: Yeah. 62 00:04:07,539 --> 00:04:09,040 Eric: Oh, my God. 63 00:04:09,082 --> 00:04:11,376 (Tonia continues talking to Tonka on video) 64 00:04:12,961 --> 00:04:14,879 I don't even know what to say. It's so insane. 65 00:04:16,380 --> 00:04:20,385 Part of me is saying this is the craziest story ever now. 66 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:22,762 And part of me is thinking, what do we do? 67 00:04:25,056 --> 00:04:27,809 -Oh, my God. -crew: We gotta call Dwayne. 68 00:04:33,398 --> 00:04:34,399 Yeah. 69 00:04:34,899 --> 00:04:36,109 Dwayne (on phone): Uh... 70 00:04:45,284 --> 00:04:46,578 I mean... 71 00:04:47,746 --> 00:04:49,372 (sighs) 72 00:04:49,372 --> 00:04:52,292 Well, I'm not sure. 73 00:04:52,334 --> 00:04:56,796 I guess the question is, you know, is Tonka okay? 74 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:12,312 I think that we just take it, you know, 75 00:05:12,354 --> 00:05:14,522 week by week right now, okay? 76 00:05:17,025 --> 00:05:18,902 Okay, alright, Dwayne. 77 00:05:18,943 --> 00:05:20,779 Talk to you later. Alright, bye-bye. 78 00:05:23,031 --> 00:05:25,617 (solemn music playing) 79 00:05:28,828 --> 00:05:32,290 If we turn her in, that's it. 80 00:05:32,332 --> 00:05:34,834 You know, she won't lead us to anybody else. 81 00:05:34,876 --> 00:05:36,419 And I always felt 82 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:39,255 as though there could be other people that she knows. 83 00:05:39,297 --> 00:05:42,634 I know there's other people that she knows keeping chimps. 84 00:05:43,802 --> 00:05:45,470 (Jeremy McBride speaking) 85 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:47,847 I don't know if it's the right thing to do. 86 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:50,225 You know? 87 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:53,478 I don't know. 88 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:55,814 I-I don't know. 89 00:05:56,523 --> 00:05:58,525 (panting) 90 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,988 Dwayne: Let's back up to the summer. 91 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:09,285 PETA took the other chimps. Where was Tonka? 92 00:06:09,327 --> 00:06:13,289 Tonka was actually on the run with me. (chuckles) 93 00:06:13,331 --> 00:06:15,041 I mean, literally on the run with me. 94 00:06:15,083 --> 00:06:18,253 ("Linger" by The Cranberries playing) 95 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:21,464 Before PETA came and took the kids, 96 00:06:21,506 --> 00:06:23,174 Tonka had a massive stroke. 97 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:31,808 I feel like God gave me that opportunity, 98 00:06:31,808 --> 00:06:33,810 and I just took advantage. 99 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:38,231 Basically, we just demised a plan to just say he died. 100 00:06:38,273 --> 00:06:40,066 (crying) I found him dead. 101 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:42,193 He was in his cage. He did not move. 102 00:06:42,235 --> 00:06:45,155 We knew that Tonka's time was limited. 103 00:06:45,196 --> 00:06:47,490 I had no reason at all to fake his death. 104 00:06:47,532 --> 00:06:50,159 I've got a box of ashes that is his, I mean... 105 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:53,246 And if anybody wants me to take a lie detector test... 106 00:06:53,288 --> 00:06:54,873 When they found out Tonka was dead... 107 00:06:54,914 --> 00:06:56,832 I'm glad he's dead. Literally dead. 108 00:06:56,832 --> 00:06:58,376 (hysterical) He was dead! 109 00:06:59,878 --> 00:07:02,756 (sobbing) I gotta stop! 110 00:07:02,797 --> 00:07:04,382 I can't do this. 111 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,178 ("Linger" continues playing on car stereo) 112 00:07:08,219 --> 00:07:11,348 ♪ You know I'm such a fool for you ♪ 113 00:07:11,389 --> 00:07:13,350 (tires screeching) 114 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:15,935 Tonia: The night before PETA came and took the chimps, 115 00:07:15,977 --> 00:07:20,523 after the film crew left, Jerry and I started preparation 116 00:07:20,565 --> 00:07:22,525 to get Tonka sedated. 117 00:07:22,567 --> 00:07:24,361 It took us till 3 a.m. 118 00:07:24,402 --> 00:07:27,072 ♪ Do you have to let it linger? ♪ 119 00:07:32,118 --> 00:07:34,204 We went ahead and just went to the Holiday Inn 120 00:07:34,245 --> 00:07:36,790 2.4 miles from the facility. 121 00:07:36,831 --> 00:07:39,918 But we couldn't leave him in the trailer. 122 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:42,379 ♪ But I was wrong ♪ 123 00:07:42,379 --> 00:07:45,382 ♪ I was wrong ♪ 124 00:07:45,423 --> 00:07:47,384 We put him in the bathroom in case he peed, 125 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:50,011 'cause we're not gonna trash a hotel. 126 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:56,768 I waited until I heard that PETA hit the facility. 127 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:59,604 And then, we just drove straight to Cy's. 128 00:08:05,443 --> 00:08:09,823 ♪ And I'm in so deep ♪ 129 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:12,742 ♪ You know I'm such a fool for you ♪ 130 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:14,327 (baby monkey screeching) 131 00:08:15,453 --> 00:08:17,330 (Tonia speaking) 132 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:24,921 Oh, yeah. I texted him to let him know 133 00:08:24,963 --> 00:08:26,297 we were on our way. 134 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:34,222 Cy is a chimp guy, but I had never met him. 135 00:08:35,056 --> 00:08:37,058 I met him the day I dropped Tonka off. 136 00:08:38,183 --> 00:08:41,104 My best place was to pick somebody 137 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:45,692 that had chimpanzees that I could blend Tonka in. 138 00:08:45,734 --> 00:08:48,111 And Cy was the perfect person 139 00:08:48,153 --> 00:08:52,032 because Cy had a male chimpanzee, Ricky. 140 00:08:52,073 --> 00:08:54,576 Ricky happened to die of liver failure. 141 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:57,996 So, nobody would have known that that was Tonka. 142 00:08:59,873 --> 00:09:02,667 Three Chicken McNugget Happy Meals. 143 00:09:02,709 --> 00:09:04,127 We want the extra fries, 144 00:09:04,169 --> 00:09:06,254 and can we get chocolate milks with those? 145 00:09:08,173 --> 00:09:12,177 ♪♪ 146 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:13,970 Cy Vierstra (on voicemail): Hi, you've reached Cy 147 00:09:14,012 --> 00:09:15,847 at Union Ridge Wildlife Center. 148 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:17,640 We're all busy monkeying around, 149 00:09:17,682 --> 00:09:18,725 so please leave a message 150 00:09:18,767 --> 00:09:20,852 and someone will return your call. 151 00:09:31,029 --> 00:09:32,697 Cy is not open to the public. 152 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:37,118 His is a private collection. 153 00:09:38,119 --> 00:09:41,539 He has, like, some tigers and some other animals, 154 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:44,250 as well as the, the chimps. 155 00:09:45,794 --> 00:09:48,713 How does he fund it? Where's the money from? 156 00:09:49,631 --> 00:09:52,467 Dwayne (on phone): Um, that, I'm not sure of. 157 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:55,845 I hear my girls. They hear me. 158 00:09:55,887 --> 00:09:58,348 Do you hear 'em? The girls heard me here. 159 00:09:58,390 --> 00:10:00,392 (chimps screeching) 160 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,689 They know me. They know me. (giggles) 161 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:07,732 (screeching continues) 162 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:10,902 Hey, girls! 163 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:13,196 (hooting and hollering) 164 00:10:13,196 --> 00:10:15,448 (cages clanging) 165 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:16,866 Happy girl. 166 00:10:16,908 --> 00:10:19,577 You're my favorite girl. Gimme kiss. 167 00:10:21,746 --> 00:10:23,915 (mimics huffing) Are you happy, girl? 168 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:25,959 -(chimps huffing) -(cages clanging) 169 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,211 They look really good, Cy. 170 00:10:28,420 --> 00:10:29,879 -What? -Tonia: They look amazing. 171 00:10:29,921 --> 00:10:32,132 -(hooting) -(chains rattling) 172 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:40,724 Cy: This was an opportunity for me 173 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:43,268 to do something for someone 174 00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:45,395 that I would want done for me 175 00:10:45,395 --> 00:10:47,272 if I was in the same situation. 176 00:10:47,313 --> 00:10:49,065 You're shaking, baby girl! 177 00:10:49,566 --> 00:10:52,485 -(chimps hooting) -Okay, okay, okay, already. 178 00:10:52,527 --> 00:10:54,112 Cy: I didn't know Tonia, 179 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:58,074 but I'd seen some of my own friends in Ohio 180 00:10:58,116 --> 00:11:00,910 lose their animals because they weren't willing 181 00:11:00,952 --> 00:11:04,164 to, you know, adjust to the new rules and regulations. 182 00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:08,960 Tonka was here for at least six months. 183 00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:13,965 Tonia drove here regularly, even if just for an evening. 184 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,927 Hi, girlfriend. 185 00:11:17,969 --> 00:11:19,596 (chimp screeching) 186 00:11:19,596 --> 00:11:20,930 Tonia: PETA didn't know the connection 187 00:11:20,972 --> 00:11:23,433 between Cy and I, so it was perfect. 188 00:11:23,475 --> 00:11:26,269 (hooting) 189 00:11:26,311 --> 00:11:27,604 (clapping) 190 00:11:27,604 --> 00:11:29,773 When we came to Cy's, we were very careful. 191 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:32,484 We would always be doing a transport someplace else, 192 00:11:32,525 --> 00:11:33,985 so they would have had to have followed us 193 00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:36,446 for many, many thousands of miles. 194 00:11:36,488 --> 00:11:38,198 Do you want these nuggets? 195 00:11:39,991 --> 00:11:41,159 There you go. 196 00:11:43,912 --> 00:11:45,205 Here's your sauce. 197 00:11:49,876 --> 00:11:51,336 (screeching) 198 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:54,923 Hey, baby girl. 199 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:56,633 Ooh! 200 00:11:57,175 --> 00:12:01,471 You better stop. You better stop. 201 00:12:01,471 --> 00:12:04,182 Cy: The Union Ridge Wildlife Center provides sanctuary 202 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,727 to animals that are being displaced 203 00:12:07,769 --> 00:12:09,437 for one reason or another. 204 00:12:11,356 --> 00:12:14,693 I'm looking into expanding 205 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:18,029 the sanctuary's efforts with Great Apes. 206 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:23,076 This is the next project for the outdoor yard. 207 00:12:23,118 --> 00:12:26,538 I wanted to make it look like a hamster cage, 208 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:28,581 and even painted the obnoxious colors. 209 00:12:28,623 --> 00:12:31,042 But then, this is actually what it'll-- 210 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:32,627 what the actual shape will look like, 211 00:12:32,669 --> 00:12:34,838 and this is the back of the building here. 212 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:36,715 And then, you got the two domes. 213 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:39,843 And then, as we gain 214 00:12:39,884 --> 00:12:41,678 some creative funding sources, 215 00:12:41,678 --> 00:12:44,180 you know, we'll be able to house up to 24 chimps. 216 00:12:44,222 --> 00:12:45,640 -That's amazing. -Cy: Mm-hmm. 217 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:52,397 I had to really try to sell Tonia on trusting me. 218 00:12:53,815 --> 00:12:58,236 You know, I've made choices that have really... 219 00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:03,283 screwed that up, uh, in a lot of people's minds. 220 00:13:03,324 --> 00:13:07,412 I mean, if you just google "Cy Vierstra," 221 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,415 I was the township fiscal officer. 222 00:13:10,457 --> 00:13:15,420 I had gotten hooked on buying random things off the auction. 223 00:13:16,588 --> 00:13:18,048 When I ran out of money, 224 00:13:18,089 --> 00:13:20,133 I started spending township money, 225 00:13:20,175 --> 00:13:23,386 always intending to put it back. 226 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:26,097 But it got really, really out of control. 227 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:30,810 Tonia: If he doesn't pay that $340,000, 228 00:13:30,852 --> 00:13:33,229 there's a nine-year sentence on the table. 229 00:13:33,271 --> 00:13:35,940 So, they're throwing the book at him, per se. 230 00:13:36,983 --> 00:13:38,234 (vocalizing softly) 231 00:13:38,276 --> 00:13:40,236 (Cy shushing) 232 00:13:40,278 --> 00:13:42,655 (chimp screeching) 233 00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:44,115 Can I see one? 234 00:13:46,701 --> 00:13:48,703 -(clippers clicking) -(chimp hooting) 235 00:13:48,745 --> 00:13:51,498 Oh, Anna, it's okay. Let me see your nails. 236 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:55,293 (distant chimp screeching) 237 00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:59,005 Dwayne: You were already in trouble with the law. 238 00:13:59,047 --> 00:14:01,758 Then, you helped Tonia defy a court order. 239 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,385 Doesn't that worry you? 240 00:14:04,636 --> 00:14:05,637 No. 241 00:14:06,805 --> 00:14:08,765 I wasn't scared at all. 242 00:14:08,807 --> 00:14:12,686 I was prepared to be confronted by, by anybody. 243 00:14:12,727 --> 00:14:15,188 (Wild West music playing) 244 00:14:15,230 --> 00:14:17,941 Tonia: Once I announced that Tonka had passed, 245 00:14:17,982 --> 00:14:19,984 Jared Goodman, the attorney for PETA, 246 00:14:20,026 --> 00:14:22,612 contacted me wanting proof. 247 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:24,364 So, I was like, "Okay, I cremated him. 248 00:14:24,406 --> 00:14:25,657 I cremated him!" 249 00:14:26,616 --> 00:14:30,870 It looks like dirt, but it's very fine. 250 00:14:32,163 --> 00:14:34,290 Jared Goodman: We knew there was no real basis 251 00:14:34,332 --> 00:14:37,335 to believe that Tonka had actually died. 252 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:41,798 Frankly, given her lies up till this point in the case, 253 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,508 it was remarkable that she expected anyone 254 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:44,968 to believe this. 255 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:47,137 Tonia: So then, they're like, "Okay, well, 256 00:14:47,178 --> 00:14:48,722 we need some ashes." So, I'm like, "Okay, 257 00:14:48,763 --> 00:14:50,515 where am I gonna come up with these ashes?” 258 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:56,688 Cy: It was so important to me to help Tonia 259 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:59,649 protect her relationship with Tonka. 260 00:14:59,691 --> 00:15:02,318 So, I said, "You know, I've got Ricky out-- 261 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,362 -(both chuckling) -"out there. 262 00:15:05,363 --> 00:15:07,657 "What a better purpose for him 263 00:15:07,657 --> 00:15:10,952 to be part of this greater scheme of things." 264 00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:14,205 -So, we dug him up. -(Tonia laughing) 265 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:19,169 But I mean, he was very much, uh, 80% decomposed. 266 00:15:19,169 --> 00:15:23,298 Now, mind you, I had already removed his head. 267 00:15:24,174 --> 00:15:25,884 I did want to preserve his skull. 268 00:15:27,093 --> 00:15:29,763 Tonia: When our house by the lake was ready, 269 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:32,724 we went to go pick up Tonka and Ricky. 270 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,062 So here, we had this chimp body in the back of our truck 271 00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:39,397 with the fugitive going all the way 272 00:15:39,439 --> 00:15:41,024 from Ohio to Missouri. 273 00:15:41,066 --> 00:15:43,360 And if we would have been stopped for any reason, 274 00:15:43,401 --> 00:15:45,111 they would have thought that was a human remain, 275 00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:47,197 'cause they're so closely related. 276 00:15:47,197 --> 00:15:48,198 With no head. (laughs) 277 00:15:48,239 --> 00:15:49,741 Cy: Like a Jeffrey Dahmer thing. 278 00:15:53,661 --> 00:15:55,789 (Tonia vocalizing and mimics huffing) 279 00:15:59,084 --> 00:16:01,086 (mimics huffing) 280 00:16:02,128 --> 00:16:03,755 (whispering) You're so funny. 281 00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:07,258 This house was perfect. 282 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:09,052 It's up off the road. 283 00:16:09,094 --> 00:16:12,555 It's in a rural area. Nobody bothers you. 284 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,599 (vocalizing continues) 285 00:16:16,017 --> 00:16:18,353 I got your butt. I got your butt. 286 00:16:19,145 --> 00:16:20,980 And he's very quiet. 287 00:16:21,022 --> 00:16:23,233 Even though there was people here constantly, 288 00:16:23,274 --> 00:16:26,111 they had no clue that there was a chimpanzee here. 289 00:16:28,446 --> 00:16:30,073 People spent the night here, did not know 290 00:16:30,073 --> 00:16:32,117 there was a chimpanzee here. 291 00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:36,913 Justin Range: She even kept it from me for a while. 292 00:16:36,955 --> 00:16:38,832 The first little bit of my time here, 293 00:16:38,873 --> 00:16:40,250 she wouldn't let me go downstairs. 294 00:16:40,290 --> 00:16:41,668 And I'd never understood why. 295 00:16:42,711 --> 00:16:45,130 One day, I came down here, 296 00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:48,341 and I just saw him, and I was just like, holy crap. 297 00:16:50,093 --> 00:16:52,679 It's very stressful, you have to watch your P's and Q's 298 00:16:52,721 --> 00:16:54,264 when you talk to people. 299 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:56,266 In all intents and purposes, he's a fugitive. 300 00:16:57,183 --> 00:17:00,895 It's-It's... (laughs) like walking on eggshells, man. 301 00:17:03,231 --> 00:17:06,192 While it's a worthy cause for this boy, 100%, 302 00:17:06,233 --> 00:17:08,194 it does scare me. 303 00:17:08,236 --> 00:17:12,531 I'm just afraid that she might, you know, 304 00:17:12,574 --> 00:17:15,076 get too caught up in this and not worry about herself. 305 00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:18,413 'Cause that's how she's always been her entire life. 306 00:17:20,205 --> 00:17:23,126 Tonia: I think God has plans for everybody. 307 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:26,463 And I think I was just planned to be a caregiver. 308 00:17:26,503 --> 00:17:29,382 God gave us marriage for the well-being of human society 309 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:33,011 and for the birth and nurturance of children. 310 00:17:33,053 --> 00:17:35,096 Tonia: I got married when I was young. 311 00:17:37,057 --> 00:17:39,934 My husband was quite a bit older than I was. 312 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:44,481 He didn't believe in women working, 313 00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:46,858 but I always felt like I had a need to do something. 314 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:51,196 So, he allowed me to become a foster parent. 315 00:17:52,447 --> 00:17:56,368 I was 19 years old and the youngest foster parent 316 00:17:56,409 --> 00:17:57,702 in the state of Missouri. 317 00:17:58,953 --> 00:18:02,499 I've had approximately 75 foster kids, 318 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:05,377 and then some medically necessary placements, too. 319 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:08,046 You start hanging around those special needs kids, 320 00:18:08,088 --> 00:18:10,340 and you realize they were kind of like the kids 321 00:18:10,382 --> 00:18:12,008 that were left behind. So then, of course, 322 00:18:12,008 --> 00:18:14,302 that's the kids I wanted to help most. 323 00:18:15,387 --> 00:18:18,932 That's how I got my daughter when she was six weeks old. 324 00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:22,268 She had fetal alcohol syndrome, 325 00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:26,356 so she required lots and lots of care. 326 00:18:26,356 --> 00:18:28,066 I got to adopt her officially 327 00:18:28,108 --> 00:18:30,694 when she was a little over two years old. 328 00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:33,238 The judge said, "Are you sure you want to take this on? 329 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:36,950 Because she'll probably never be a productive citizen." 330 00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:39,035 And I said, "I've had her ever since she was a baby. 331 00:18:39,077 --> 00:18:40,912 Why would I change that now?" 332 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:44,582 And then, I found out I was pregnant with my son, 333 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,085 the only biological son I have. 334 00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:49,713 The two kids were the most important thing 335 00:18:49,754 --> 00:18:51,423 for many years. 336 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:54,050 Then, my kids started doing their activities 337 00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:57,095 and being gone, and so I was there by myself. 338 00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:02,642 Justin: I remember the time (laughs) 339 00:19:02,684 --> 00:19:05,061 she picked me up from school, 340 00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:07,772 and I noticed little premature diapers in the back. 341 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,774 And so, I asked her, I was like, "Are we having a-- 342 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:11,484 Am I having another brother or sister?" 343 00:19:11,526 --> 00:19:13,611 And she said, "Yeah, something like that." 344 00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:15,655 -(gentle music playing) -(monkey chittering) 345 00:19:17,282 --> 00:19:20,452 Life kind of just revolved around the monkeys. 346 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:23,747 -(Tonia baby-talking) -(monkey chittering) 347 00:19:23,788 --> 00:19:25,331 Justin: If I had a school event or whatever, 348 00:19:25,373 --> 00:19:27,250 and the monkeys had to be watched, 349 00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:29,961 she'd stay home and watch the monkeys. 350 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:32,756 (chittering) 351 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:36,926 There was an underlying feeling of just kind of feeling like, 352 00:19:36,968 --> 00:19:41,139 I don't want to say abandoned, but definitely just feel like... 353 00:19:42,474 --> 00:19:44,559 "Where, where do I fit into the picture?" 354 00:19:45,977 --> 00:19:48,271 Tonia: I love these chimps more than anything in the world, 355 00:19:48,271 --> 00:19:50,482 and I mean more than anything-- more than my kids, 356 00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:52,442 more than anything, and I want these chimpanzees... 357 00:19:52,484 --> 00:19:54,110 Justin: At the court hearing, she literally said, 358 00:19:54,152 --> 00:19:56,446 and I quote, "I care about these monkeys 359 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:58,615 more than I care about my own kids." 360 00:19:58,615 --> 00:20:00,325 Yeah, and that kind of felt 361 00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:02,369 like that was the mentality a lot of times. 362 00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:06,873 What are you doing, Bubba? 363 00:20:06,915 --> 00:20:09,584 (blowing raspberry) What are you doing? 364 00:20:11,586 --> 00:20:14,506 I don't have the emotional attachment to this animal 365 00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:16,049 quite like she does. 366 00:20:16,091 --> 00:20:18,051 I have one, but it's nothing like hers. 367 00:20:18,093 --> 00:20:20,136 I mean, I've never seen her that passionate 368 00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:22,681 about anything in my life, you know, ever. 369 00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,266 (chuckles) And that includes her own son. 370 00:20:27,018 --> 00:20:30,397 It does scare me because my mom thinks with emotion 371 00:20:30,438 --> 00:20:32,232 and not sometimes with logic. 372 00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:34,526 You know, she said it several times, 373 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:35,944 "If they take him away, I don't have nothing." 374 00:20:37,112 --> 00:20:41,324 I think she feels that nobody needs her. 375 00:20:41,366 --> 00:20:42,992 I love her to death and tell her all the time, 376 00:20:43,034 --> 00:20:44,661 and I think if you asked her, she would say 377 00:20:44,661 --> 00:20:46,371 that I don't need her, and she's not important 378 00:20:46,413 --> 00:20:48,415 in my life, which is very untrue. 379 00:20:48,456 --> 00:20:50,542 I truly think she feels that way. 380 00:20:52,043 --> 00:20:55,797 That's where the big attraction to these primates comes in. 381 00:20:56,715 --> 00:20:58,675 They're like children that never grow up. 382 00:20:59,551 --> 00:21:01,803 So, they're constantly gonna need her care. 383 00:21:02,929 --> 00:21:04,681 Twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, 384 00:21:04,681 --> 00:21:07,600 365 days a year, that's the monkeys. 385 00:21:08,685 --> 00:21:10,729 I'll be honest with you, I used to hate the idea 386 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,732 of being around them and stuff, but the joy that she has 387 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:15,400 for taking care of these animals, man, 388 00:21:15,442 --> 00:21:18,111 like, I'm telling you, you can just tell she's happy. 389 00:21:19,654 --> 00:21:22,032 And I can't get in the way of that. 390 00:21:22,073 --> 00:21:24,325 (gentle music continues) 391 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:29,372 (music fades out) 392 00:21:29,414 --> 00:21:30,790 Brittany Peet: There is this culture 393 00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:34,377 of almost entirely women 394 00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:36,463 who raise chimpanzees and monkeys 395 00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:38,381 as if they're babies. 396 00:21:38,423 --> 00:21:41,718 -(baby-talking to monkey) -(monkey chittering) 397 00:21:41,718 --> 00:21:43,595 (curious music playing) 398 00:21:45,305 --> 00:21:46,931 Brittany: They have to create this myth 399 00:21:46,973 --> 00:21:50,310 that "This animal is my son." 400 00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:51,936 Stop. You need to stop the biting. 401 00:21:51,978 --> 00:21:53,396 -(squeaking cries) -Stop. 402 00:21:53,438 --> 00:21:54,606 (lawnmower starting) 403 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:57,525 Brittany: "He's part of my family." 404 00:22:00,445 --> 00:22:02,739 (laughing) 405 00:22:02,781 --> 00:22:05,075 monkey mom: They have outfits for Valentine's, 406 00:22:05,116 --> 00:22:07,327 for St. Patrick's, for Christmas, 407 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:09,371 for Fourth of July, everything. 408 00:22:10,538 --> 00:22:13,583 Brittany: But this family dynamic is a fantasy 409 00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:16,127 that inevitably ends in tragedy. 410 00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:20,965 And that was the case with Buck in Pendleton. 411 00:22:21,466 --> 00:22:23,551 ♪♪ 412 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,722 (crowd cheering) 413 00:22:29,307 --> 00:22:32,394 Jaime Bennett: Pendleton is a Western town. 414 00:22:33,687 --> 00:22:36,314 We pride ourselves on being rural Oregon. 415 00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:38,942 We are a conservative town, 416 00:22:38,983 --> 00:22:41,986 but we are also a very tight-knit community. 417 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:44,989 Everybody here kind of knows everybody. 418 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:48,660 But I never knew about Buck. 419 00:22:50,537 --> 00:22:54,374 Until the day Tamara Brogoitti walked into my store 420 00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:56,418 with a chimpanzee on her back. 421 00:22:59,838 --> 00:23:02,132 This is my little scrapbook. 422 00:23:02,173 --> 00:23:05,010 Over the years, I kind of collected a handful of pictures. 423 00:23:05,635 --> 00:23:06,678 Um... 424 00:23:07,429 --> 00:23:09,180 that's me and my buddy, 425 00:23:09,222 --> 00:23:11,808 when he was just a small tyke riding on my back. 426 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:13,476 Bucky backpack. 427 00:23:13,518 --> 00:23:14,811 But he was a little fellow. 428 00:23:14,853 --> 00:23:17,022 That was probably very early on in my time there. 429 00:23:18,023 --> 00:23:19,649 (gentle music playing) 430 00:23:19,649 --> 00:23:22,652 When I first met Buck, he at the time would have been 431 00:23:22,694 --> 00:23:24,446 about three, four years old. 432 00:23:25,363 --> 00:23:26,990 -One day, I was at work. -(door bell jingling) 433 00:23:27,032 --> 00:23:29,868 Tamara came in with this ape on her back, 434 00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,162 and he immediately crawled down off her shoulder 435 00:23:32,203 --> 00:23:33,997 to come greet me and say hi to me. 436 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,166 (sniffing, hooting softly) 437 00:23:36,166 --> 00:23:38,251 He gave me kind of a little hug, 438 00:23:38,293 --> 00:23:41,129 and he kind of sniffed me and checked me out everywhere. 439 00:23:42,005 --> 00:23:44,007 We seemed to have a moment there. 440 00:23:44,007 --> 00:23:45,675 So, once she asked me if I would like 441 00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:48,386 to have a playdate with Buck, I, of course, you know, 442 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:50,096 was over there in a heartbeat. 443 00:23:50,138 --> 00:23:52,432 We got... monkey. 444 00:23:53,808 --> 00:23:55,393 When I first came into the home 445 00:23:55,435 --> 00:23:58,021 and saw how Tamara was raising Buck, 446 00:23:58,063 --> 00:23:59,898 it was very easy to be dazzled. 447 00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:02,442 He lived like a little boy. 448 00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:04,361 He took bubble baths. 449 00:24:04,402 --> 00:24:07,113 He went potty on the toilet. 450 00:24:07,155 --> 00:24:08,615 What do you do when you pee? 451 00:24:10,033 --> 00:24:12,285 -(toilet flushing) -Thank you. 452 00:24:12,327 --> 00:24:14,996 He had a skateboard. He had puppies. 453 00:24:16,081 --> 00:24:17,791 She's gonna eat you. 454 00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:19,376 And you're just sitting there sucking your thumb 455 00:24:19,417 --> 00:24:20,585 like a wiener. 456 00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:24,297 Are you cuddling my foot? 457 00:24:24,339 --> 00:24:28,218 I spent at least four to six days a week down there. 458 00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:30,929 I was there with him every moment I wasn't working. 459 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:34,015 Both hands on the wheel. Safety first. 460 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:36,601 We had quite the relationship. 461 00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:39,604 You ready for your next bite, Your Majesty? 462 00:24:39,646 --> 00:24:41,398 (laughing) 463 00:24:41,439 --> 00:24:44,567 You look ridiculous, dude. 464 00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:46,277 Especially with the one shoe. 465 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,321 (laughing) 466 00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:51,282 ♪♪ 467 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:55,078 Tamara would take Buck to a lot of our local establishments. 468 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,623 Hardware stores. Fast food restaurants. 469 00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:02,085 The local pizza place delivered lots of pizzas up there. 470 00:25:02,127 --> 00:25:03,753 Tandy Schurigart: I've never delivered to a chimp 471 00:25:03,795 --> 00:25:05,255 ever before. 472 00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:07,465 When I get up there, he would take my hands, 473 00:25:07,507 --> 00:25:08,967 and we'd jump up and down. 474 00:25:09,009 --> 00:25:11,177 He loved the pizza. 475 00:25:11,219 --> 00:25:13,346 Jaime: He was kind of our little local rock star. 476 00:25:13,388 --> 00:25:15,348 And lots of people knew that maybe today 477 00:25:15,390 --> 00:25:17,517 was the day they got to see the ape. 478 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,102 Kenny Phillips: We'd go down to the tavern. 479 00:25:19,102 --> 00:25:20,645 Tamara would bring Buck 480 00:25:20,687 --> 00:25:22,272 down there to eat dinner with 'em. 481 00:25:22,272 --> 00:25:26,151 And he sat down there just like a human and ate his food. 482 00:25:26,192 --> 00:25:27,986 Very well-mannered at the dinner table. 483 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,322 Robert Bryant: Tamara was friends with my mom, 484 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:35,452 and she encouraged me to come over. 485 00:25:35,493 --> 00:25:38,621 It was good for Buck. He needed to socialize. 486 00:25:38,663 --> 00:25:40,957 When I was coming up the driveway, 487 00:25:40,999 --> 00:25:43,543 he would jump into my arms, 488 00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:46,671 and he would just be shaking while he was hugging me. 489 00:25:47,505 --> 00:25:49,299 (gentle music fades out) 490 00:25:49,299 --> 00:25:51,634 Jaime: Buck was the most extraordinary thing 491 00:25:51,676 --> 00:25:53,845 that this town has ever had to offer. 492 00:25:53,887 --> 00:25:55,764 He was amazing, and he was beautiful. 493 00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:58,683 Eric: And what about Tamara? 494 00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:03,646 (smacking lips) Tamara Brogoitti. 495 00:26:03,688 --> 00:26:06,232 (unsettling music playing) 496 00:26:06,274 --> 00:26:08,985 She was a regular at the liquor store. 497 00:26:09,027 --> 00:26:10,403 Tamara Brogoitti did not walk in 498 00:26:10,445 --> 00:26:12,238 and buy a fifth of booze. 499 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,325 We got six half-gallons and we put them in a box. 500 00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:19,329 She was a lonely woman, her husband had died. 501 00:26:19,329 --> 00:26:22,582 And after he passed, she would take his clothes 502 00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:24,584 and put them on Buck. 503 00:26:26,711 --> 00:26:28,713 As far as Tamara's children go, 504 00:26:28,755 --> 00:26:31,049 there was a lot of resentment. 505 00:26:32,342 --> 00:26:34,386 Beau Wade: I love my mother with all my heart. 506 00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:41,393 But she is... one tough, mean old, old lady. 507 00:26:43,812 --> 00:26:45,772 And that's about what I gotta say about her. 508 00:26:46,940 --> 00:26:48,233 That's about it. 509 00:26:50,151 --> 00:26:51,528 Okay, roll film. 510 00:26:51,569 --> 00:26:53,571 (projector whirring) 511 00:26:53,613 --> 00:26:56,032 (nostalgic music playing) 512 00:26:56,074 --> 00:27:00,578 Buck was the most beautiful animal I ever seen. 513 00:27:01,621 --> 00:27:05,375 A lot of those chimpanzees are ugly as sin. 514 00:27:05,417 --> 00:27:08,795 And he was very handsome. 515 00:27:08,837 --> 00:27:10,797 (chittering) 516 00:27:11,756 --> 00:27:14,884 He's the Tom Brady of chimpanzees. 517 00:27:14,884 --> 00:27:18,888 My mother loved that thing more than she loved me. 518 00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:21,933 He slept in her bed with her. 519 00:27:22,851 --> 00:27:24,269 That was her teddy bear. 520 00:27:26,438 --> 00:27:29,983 Buck was Tamara's life at that point. 521 00:27:30,775 --> 00:27:33,570 She said that she was a primatologist 522 00:27:33,570 --> 00:27:35,655 doing research or a study. 523 00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:39,075 She was gonna be the first person 524 00:27:39,117 --> 00:27:42,454 to ever raise a chimpanzee in a family setting. 525 00:27:42,495 --> 00:27:45,790 I mean, that was it. There was no questioning that. 526 00:27:47,125 --> 00:27:48,460 (whispering) Not the case. 527 00:27:48,501 --> 00:27:50,420 I found her to have graduated 528 00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:53,423 from Everett Community College in 1986. 529 00:27:53,465 --> 00:27:57,260 She did not have anything that qualified her in any way. 530 00:27:57,302 --> 00:28:00,096 And I don't know that she really regarded 531 00:28:00,138 --> 00:28:02,432 Buck's safety, his well-being. 532 00:28:02,432 --> 00:28:05,810 It was more about her getting attention for him. 533 00:28:06,895 --> 00:28:09,272 I... I didn't think it was gonna happen quite this way, 534 00:28:09,272 --> 00:28:11,816 but I knew that Buck was never gonna be completely safe 535 00:28:11,858 --> 00:28:13,234 in her care long-term. 536 00:28:16,946 --> 00:28:18,323 (music fades out) 537 00:28:18,365 --> 00:28:21,076 -(Tonka sniffing) -Tonia: Bring me the star! 538 00:28:22,327 --> 00:28:23,995 (Tonia vocalizing) 539 00:28:25,163 --> 00:28:27,123 (snapping) 540 00:28:27,165 --> 00:28:28,541 Tonka, sit. 541 00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:31,836 (Tonka huffing) 542 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:35,173 (Tonia mimics huffing) 543 00:28:36,675 --> 00:28:38,468 I know. I know. 544 00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:41,554 You're my best friend. I know, you're my best friend. 545 00:28:44,391 --> 00:28:47,310 (laughing) That tickles. 546 00:28:47,352 --> 00:28:49,354 Justin: My mom cares about this animal. 547 00:28:49,396 --> 00:28:50,522 ♪♪ 548 00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:52,816 I think there's a bond. 549 00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:55,860 I think she saved him and he saved her, honestly. 550 00:28:56,861 --> 00:28:59,823 I just wish PETA would see my mom's side of the story. 551 00:29:00,865 --> 00:29:04,494 They think she's doing it for some kind of notoriety. 552 00:29:04,494 --> 00:29:07,539 They don't see the compassion that she really has. 553 00:29:08,665 --> 00:29:10,166 She's trying to rescue this animal 554 00:29:10,208 --> 00:29:12,961 from what she believes is not a safe environment. 555 00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:15,755 He can't be with other chimps 556 00:29:15,797 --> 00:29:17,424 like what they wanna do with him. 557 00:29:17,465 --> 00:29:19,551 They want to put him in a chimp sanctuary, 558 00:29:19,592 --> 00:29:21,845 and I-- they-- they can't do that. 559 00:29:23,471 --> 00:29:25,515 Tonia: Any time that there's an altercation 560 00:29:25,515 --> 00:29:28,393 with other chimps and stuff, he won't fight. 561 00:29:28,435 --> 00:29:30,729 He's such a human chimp. He doesn't know how to fight. 562 00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:32,731 He doesn't want to fight. 563 00:29:32,772 --> 00:29:34,858 He just submits. 564 00:29:34,858 --> 00:29:38,069 Even at Cy's, he got his butt kicked. 565 00:29:38,111 --> 00:29:40,447 He's had, one time, 360 sutures. 566 00:29:42,699 --> 00:29:45,618 He's just so docile. He has no mean bone in his body. 567 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,246 And so, these other monkeys bully him and gang up on him. 568 00:29:49,497 --> 00:29:51,249 It just doesn't make any sense to me. 569 00:29:51,291 --> 00:29:53,710 Like if you know he's gonna go into something he can't survive, 570 00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:55,253 then why would you do that? 571 00:29:56,129 --> 00:29:57,714 -You want something to drink? -(Tonka grunts) 572 00:29:57,756 --> 00:29:59,090 Give me that paper. 573 00:30:01,426 --> 00:30:03,386 My biggest fear is this kid. 574 00:30:03,428 --> 00:30:05,055 It's not me, and everybody's like, 575 00:30:05,096 --> 00:30:07,432 "Well, I'm worried about you." I'm not worried about me. 576 00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:10,268 Now, can you wave? Good boy. 577 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:13,563 They can throw me in jail for a year, I don't care. 578 00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:16,733 I'm not obligated to anybody except this kid right here. 579 00:30:16,775 --> 00:30:19,444 Can you take a bow? Good boy. 580 00:30:23,823 --> 00:30:29,079 all (singing): ♪ Happy birthday, dear Apollo! ♪ 581 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,497 (party horn sounding) 582 00:30:30,538 --> 00:30:32,165 Close-up magic. 583 00:30:32,207 --> 00:30:35,460 You always have to keep your eye on the ball. 584 00:30:36,670 --> 00:30:38,963 -Shoo! -Oh! 585 00:30:39,673 --> 00:30:42,467 (kids chattering) 586 00:30:42,842 --> 00:30:44,469 (cell phone ringing) 587 00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:46,805 Dwayne: Hello? 588 00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:57,607 So, um, I'm just kind of talking about this as a hypothetical. 589 00:30:57,607 --> 00:31:02,404 What would generally be her exposure? 590 00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:25,510 What would be a possible way out of the situation? 591 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:58,084 Dwayne: So, none of it sounds good. 592 00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:04,132 (solemn music playing) 593 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,685 Jared: PETA has been exhausting a lot of resources 594 00:32:15,727 --> 00:32:17,896 to find Tonka. 595 00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:20,607 And after the beginning of 2022, 596 00:32:20,648 --> 00:32:22,901 we put up a $10,000 reward. 597 00:32:22,942 --> 00:32:25,695 ♪♪ 598 00:32:25,737 --> 00:32:29,407 Brittany: If Tonka is still alive and stashed somewhere, 599 00:32:29,449 --> 00:32:31,868 there are people who know it. 600 00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:34,454 And $10,000 is a significant incentive. 601 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,209 Tonia: They've actually put us in harm's way. 602 00:32:39,209 --> 00:32:42,754 You have these kooks that feel like they're vigilantes 603 00:32:42,796 --> 00:32:46,549 that's gonna go out and they're gonna seek this reward. 604 00:32:46,591 --> 00:32:48,259 Justin: One of these days, I'm gonna be on the couch 605 00:32:48,301 --> 00:32:50,553 and someone's gonna come banging on the door 606 00:32:50,595 --> 00:32:51,930 looking for Tonka. 607 00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:55,392 Brittany: People who own exotic animals 608 00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:57,560 know that we're a threat to them. 609 00:32:57,602 --> 00:33:00,438 We know their secrets. 610 00:33:02,023 --> 00:33:04,025 (tattoo gun buzzing) 611 00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:13,785 Jaime: As I get older, this doesn't get any easier. 612 00:33:18,123 --> 00:33:21,084 Jaime: I would say somewhere close to seven years. 613 00:33:21,126 --> 00:33:23,086 It started off kind of just being play buddies 614 00:33:23,086 --> 00:33:25,088 and hanging out, and over time, 615 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:26,589 we kind of created a different relationship. 616 00:33:26,631 --> 00:33:28,883 I became more of like a nanny of sorts. 617 00:33:30,176 --> 00:33:33,805 Hands down, the best moments I'll ever remember. 618 00:33:33,847 --> 00:33:35,682 I mean, like, one of my favorite moments 619 00:33:35,724 --> 00:33:37,350 was the first time I ever gave him chewing gum. 620 00:33:39,894 --> 00:33:42,814 He sat in the mirror and watched himself chew gum. 621 00:33:42,856 --> 00:33:44,482 Just fascinated by it. 622 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:46,818 Very chewy. 623 00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:49,946 My not working there anymore 624 00:33:49,988 --> 00:33:51,823 didn't have anything to do with Buck. 625 00:33:53,491 --> 00:33:55,285 The ape was great, 626 00:33:55,285 --> 00:33:57,162 but I couldn't deal with the human. 627 00:33:59,456 --> 00:34:02,792 Robert: Tamara, do you not want to be involved 628 00:34:02,834 --> 00:34:04,794 in getting Buck's story out? 629 00:34:04,836 --> 00:34:07,797 Because it's gonna get done with or without you, and I, 630 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:08,840 I don't-- 631 00:34:28,902 --> 00:34:30,362 (solemn piano music playing) 632 00:34:31,404 --> 00:34:33,697 Jaime: Tamara wanted the entire community to believe 633 00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:36,659 that she was constantly building and constructing 634 00:34:36,701 --> 00:34:39,871 a project that was gonna benefit Buck's long-term life. 635 00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:43,375 She was gonna build an outdoor enclosure area. 636 00:34:43,416 --> 00:34:45,918 It was going to be, you know, two stories tall. 637 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,214 It was going to have fire hoses and tire swings. 638 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:52,300 But nothing was ever built for him. 639 00:34:53,677 --> 00:34:55,762 Beau: He wasn't happy. 640 00:34:55,804 --> 00:34:57,681 He didn't get to go hang out in the jungle, 641 00:34:57,722 --> 00:35:01,518 climb trees, eat fruit, meet ladies, you know, 642 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:04,521 get in fistfights, get laid. 643 00:35:05,563 --> 00:35:09,067 He didn't have friends and playmates and shit, you know? 644 00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:12,779 Uh, just my... my wonderful mother. 645 00:35:14,489 --> 00:35:16,700 Jaime: Around that time is when Tamara 646 00:35:16,741 --> 00:35:18,201 had Buck castrated. 647 00:35:18,201 --> 00:35:20,537 He was no longer being treated like the baby boy. 648 00:35:20,578 --> 00:35:22,914 He was now being treated like an animal, 649 00:35:22,956 --> 00:35:24,833 wearing padlocks around his neck. 650 00:35:25,834 --> 00:35:28,420 And that graduated to the shock collars. 651 00:35:29,671 --> 00:35:33,425 When he would get upset, his bowel would empty. 652 00:35:33,466 --> 00:35:36,302 So, she bought a portable commode. 653 00:35:36,344 --> 00:35:38,722 However, she was so bad at emptying it, 654 00:35:38,763 --> 00:35:40,849 that there would be days when it was completely full. 655 00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:44,561 Tamara absolutely deprived Buck of everything 656 00:35:44,602 --> 00:35:47,105 that he needed to be an ape. 657 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,483 She had created this whole fantasy, 658 00:35:50,525 --> 00:35:53,653 and anybody knowing the truth about that property, 659 00:35:53,695 --> 00:35:56,698 that was gonna uproot and just ruin that fantasy. 660 00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:03,413 Brittany: When PETA initially found out about Buck, 661 00:36:03,413 --> 00:36:06,291 we were able to find some photos on Facebook. 662 00:36:07,167 --> 00:36:11,421 She was just letting Buck live freely in the home. 663 00:36:11,463 --> 00:36:13,506 That was alarming to us. 664 00:36:13,548 --> 00:36:17,427 So, PETA submitted a complaint to Oregon Wildlife Authorities 665 00:36:17,427 --> 00:36:21,181 about violations at Brogoitti's. 666 00:36:34,152 --> 00:36:37,280 Brittany: Out of the blue one day, I got a call, 667 00:36:37,322 --> 00:36:40,116 and the person said, "This is Tamara." 668 00:36:40,408 --> 00:36:42,452 (Tamara Brogoitti speaking on phone) 669 00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:46,706 She behaved erratically. 670 00:36:46,748 --> 00:36:47,999 She would sob. 671 00:36:48,041 --> 00:36:50,835 She would accuse me of trying to steal Buck. 672 00:36:52,003 --> 00:36:56,049 And then she invited me to Oregon to visit Buck. 673 00:36:56,091 --> 00:36:59,344 She thought that she was going to be able to convince me 674 00:36:59,386 --> 00:37:02,722 that she was giving Buck a great life. 675 00:37:02,764 --> 00:37:04,349 They tried to make that appointment, 676 00:37:04,391 --> 00:37:06,393 make that day to visit Tamara and Buck, 677 00:37:06,434 --> 00:37:08,061 and Tamara ghosted them. 678 00:37:09,020 --> 00:37:10,814 It's Tamara's inner turmoil. 679 00:37:10,814 --> 00:37:13,191 "On the one hand, I want to show everybody this ape, 680 00:37:13,233 --> 00:37:15,652 "and I want to make sure that everybody's looking at me. 681 00:37:15,652 --> 00:37:17,654 "But on the other hand, please don't look at my ape, 682 00:37:17,654 --> 00:37:18,988 "because if you're the right people, 683 00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:21,157 you're gonna know it's wrong." 684 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,703 She's going to stall until she can buy herself enough time 685 00:37:24,744 --> 00:37:27,205 to figure out how she's going to get through it. 686 00:37:28,540 --> 00:37:30,417 Brittany: We were so desperately trying to get him 687 00:37:30,458 --> 00:37:33,378 into an appropriate environment, 688 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:36,715 but Tamara wasn't going to let that happen. 689 00:37:39,551 --> 00:37:43,430 Jaime: With this new pressure on her, she was panicking. 690 00:37:43,471 --> 00:37:46,891 Tamara had been isolating herself and Buck more and more. 691 00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:48,601 And he could no longer go into town, 692 00:37:48,643 --> 00:37:51,771 and he could no longer go out into these businesses. 693 00:37:51,813 --> 00:37:53,523 Couldn't bring friends over to the house. 694 00:37:53,565 --> 00:37:55,775 They would have seen how neglected he was. 695 00:37:55,817 --> 00:37:59,029 She just wanted him to sit still and hang out with her 696 00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:00,905 while she was drinking her scotch. 697 00:38:07,912 --> 00:38:10,415 Come here, Tonk. 698 00:38:10,457 --> 00:38:12,000 I know you want to see. 699 00:38:13,585 --> 00:38:15,754 He likes to watch Instagram. 700 00:38:18,298 --> 00:38:19,549 (plays Instagram video with music) 701 00:38:19,591 --> 00:38:23,261 ♪ Hold me close and hold me fast ♪ 702 00:38:23,303 --> 00:38:27,140 ♪ This magic spell you cast, this is-- ♪ 703 00:38:27,182 --> 00:38:29,059 -(replays video) -♪ Hold me close ♪ 704 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,727 ♪ And hold me fast ♪ 705 00:38:30,769 --> 00:38:33,438 ♪ This magic spell you cast ♪ 706 00:38:34,939 --> 00:38:36,733 -(replays video) -♪ Hold me close ♪ 707 00:38:36,733 --> 00:38:38,651 ♪ And hold me fast ♪ 708 00:38:38,693 --> 00:38:40,945 ♪ This magic spell you cast ♪ 709 00:38:42,572 --> 00:38:44,240 Like this one. 710 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,284 (electronic music playing on video) 711 00:38:50,914 --> 00:38:53,124 ♪ I can play, dance with me ♪ 712 00:38:53,166 --> 00:38:55,794 (dance music playing) 713 00:38:57,962 --> 00:39:00,006 announcer: Welcome to another episode of Not In the-- 714 00:39:00,048 --> 00:39:02,592 ♪ Yeah, yeah, shawty got down low ♪ 715 00:39:02,634 --> 00:39:06,763 ♪ Said come and get me, yeah, yeah ♪ 716 00:39:06,805 --> 00:39:08,807 ♪ ...love can make it ♪ 717 00:39:08,848 --> 00:39:10,350 (clicking tongue) 718 00:39:10,392 --> 00:39:12,310 ♪♪ 719 00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:16,189 (continues scrolling through videos) 720 00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:19,776 Tonia: We do this every day, we go through new videos. 721 00:39:19,818 --> 00:39:21,611 ...grow the exact same rate... 722 00:39:21,653 --> 00:39:26,449 Tonia: If PETA wasn't hardcore after him... 723 00:39:26,491 --> 00:39:27,867 we'd let you go out. 724 00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:34,582 (phone playing video quietly) 725 00:39:35,667 --> 00:39:37,627 Alan Cumming: If Tonia still has Tonka, 726 00:39:37,627 --> 00:39:39,879 Tonka's alive and she's hiding him, 727 00:39:39,921 --> 00:39:41,464 she's kind of trapped. 728 00:39:41,506 --> 00:39:44,342 What can she do? You know, she's got this chimp. 729 00:39:44,384 --> 00:39:45,969 She can't really take him out and go for a walk 730 00:39:46,011 --> 00:39:47,512 'cause everyone will see her. 731 00:39:47,554 --> 00:39:48,805 Tonia: Voila! 732 00:39:48,847 --> 00:39:50,306 Alan: If this is happening, she must know 733 00:39:50,348 --> 00:39:52,559 what a dangerous thing it is for her. 734 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,060 Tonia: Put it on your neck. 735 00:39:54,102 --> 00:39:56,646 Alan: PETA are still observing, 736 00:39:56,646 --> 00:39:58,815 and people are eventually going to find out. 737 00:39:58,815 --> 00:40:02,819 Tonia: Where's Tonka? Where's that old Tonka? 738 00:40:02,819 --> 00:40:04,320 There he is! (laughs) 739 00:40:04,362 --> 00:40:06,656 -(Tonka huffing) -He's off and running. 740 00:40:06,698 --> 00:40:08,700 (both huffing) 741 00:40:10,118 --> 00:40:12,037 Let's put these on and show everybody. 742 00:40:13,455 --> 00:40:15,999 (laughing) 743 00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:18,209 Alan: I've never met Tonia. 744 00:40:18,251 --> 00:40:22,505 To me, she's a woman wronged, and spurned, and furious 745 00:40:22,505 --> 00:40:26,343 at her love being wrenched from her. 746 00:40:26,384 --> 00:40:29,721 I, I have great empathy for that, for that feeling. 747 00:40:30,638 --> 00:40:34,017 I loved that chimp so much. I had a special, special bond. 748 00:40:34,059 --> 00:40:36,770 So, I understand if she has that. 749 00:40:36,811 --> 00:40:40,523 And I truly understand how you behave crazily 750 00:40:40,565 --> 00:40:43,526 for what you consider to be your family. 751 00:40:43,568 --> 00:40:45,904 I mean, I really do feel sorry for her. 752 00:40:45,945 --> 00:40:49,074 I truly do, I really have great empathy for her. 753 00:40:49,115 --> 00:40:53,286 But I have more empathy for Tonka. 754 00:40:54,162 --> 00:40:58,708 So, then I put up another $10,000 to match PETA's, 755 00:40:58,708 --> 00:41:02,253 just in the hope that someone will come forward 756 00:41:02,295 --> 00:41:04,589 and help us get some information. 757 00:41:05,465 --> 00:41:07,550 Tonia: Are you scrubbing? Are you scrubbing? 758 00:41:07,592 --> 00:41:08,802 Are you working? 759 00:41:08,843 --> 00:41:11,221 You better work for yourself, boy. 760 00:41:11,262 --> 00:41:13,306 Wahoo! You almost did one! 761 00:41:13,348 --> 00:41:16,267 Come on, you can do it! You can do it! 762 00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:17,727 Oh, not that one! 763 00:41:17,769 --> 00:41:19,437 Tonka, use your fork. 764 00:41:22,607 --> 00:41:24,234 (tapping glass) 765 00:41:24,275 --> 00:41:28,780 Eric: It's important for me not to overreach into the story, 766 00:41:28,822 --> 00:41:32,492 but just document it, and, and let the viewers 767 00:41:32,534 --> 00:41:35,245 at the end of this story come to their conclusion. 768 00:41:35,286 --> 00:41:37,580 That's always the best device, sure. 769 00:41:37,622 --> 00:41:41,418 Eric: But, you know, we had obviously never thought 770 00:41:41,459 --> 00:41:42,794 in our wildest imagination 771 00:41:42,836 --> 00:41:44,629 we would be in a situation like this. 772 00:41:44,671 --> 00:41:46,840 Do we turn her in, 773 00:41:46,881 --> 00:41:49,134 or do we continue following the story? 774 00:41:50,343 --> 00:41:52,804 What would you do in a situation like that? 775 00:41:52,846 --> 00:41:55,932 Peter Laufer: As journalists, we don't want to do something 776 00:41:55,974 --> 00:41:59,686 that's morally, ethically wrong, 777 00:41:59,728 --> 00:42:04,357 but we are looking at how we can act to get the story. 778 00:42:04,399 --> 00:42:07,610 And you have to hope that the end result 779 00:42:07,652 --> 00:42:10,071 is more positive than negative. 780 00:42:11,072 --> 00:42:12,949 Is there a greater good? 781 00:42:12,949 --> 00:42:15,035 Do you feel comfortable 782 00:42:15,076 --> 00:42:18,121 that there won't be something negative 783 00:42:18,163 --> 00:42:19,789 that will occur if you wait? 784 00:42:19,831 --> 00:42:22,917 (curious music playing) 785 00:42:33,219 --> 00:42:35,805 Tonia: Keelie says, "Up yours, PETA." 786 00:42:35,847 --> 00:42:37,557 (chuckles) 787 00:42:39,517 --> 00:42:41,978 Oh, the cover right here of "Variety" magazine. 788 00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:44,856 This little bastard, look at this article. 789 00:42:45,774 --> 00:42:47,650 This is all bullshit. 790 00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:50,528 He didn't care about Tonka, 'cause that movie 791 00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:52,989 was done in 1997, 792 00:42:53,031 --> 00:42:55,575 and he didn't even know anything about Tonka. 793 00:42:55,617 --> 00:42:56,701 Never offered to come visit, 794 00:42:56,743 --> 00:42:58,578 never offered to bring him a gift, 795 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:00,497 never offered to send him anything, 796 00:43:00,497 --> 00:43:02,165 never cared about where he was 797 00:43:02,207 --> 00:43:06,252 until PETA pledged the campaign against Connie, 798 00:43:06,294 --> 00:43:08,880 and they paid him to get involved. 799 00:43:09,798 --> 00:43:12,592 Just absolutely pisses me fucking off. 800 00:43:14,552 --> 00:43:17,347 This is very bad on their behalf. 801 00:43:17,389 --> 00:43:18,556 Very bad. 802 00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:48,545 Dwayne: I know the pressure that, that you're under 803 00:43:48,586 --> 00:43:50,213 from, from all of this. 804 00:43:50,255 --> 00:43:54,175 Alan Cummings' reward or PETA's reward. 805 00:45:16,341 --> 00:45:18,551 (sighs) Man, mm. 806 00:45:20,512 --> 00:45:22,180 (Tonia speaking on phone) 807 00:45:28,019 --> 00:45:31,606 Dwayne: Um, yeah. How do you feel about that? 808 00:45:33,274 --> 00:45:35,026 (Tonia speaking) 809 00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:39,572 I know. I know. 810 00:45:41,032 --> 00:45:42,659 I'll get, I'll get the, uh-- 811 00:45:42,701 --> 00:45:44,035 you know, I'll get the crew together 812 00:45:44,077 --> 00:45:46,079 and we'll figure out when we're coming. 813 00:45:51,001 --> 00:45:52,836 -Yeah, she's gonna euthanize-- -Tell us. Tell us. Tell us. 814 00:45:54,421 --> 00:45:56,381 No, the chimp is in bad-- 815 00:45:57,757 --> 00:46:01,428 Okay, I'm not a vet, but you can see that the chimp 816 00:46:01,469 --> 00:46:03,388 is in failing health. 817 00:46:06,725 --> 00:46:08,518 Eric: Would she really kill the chimp 818 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,061 and make her problems worse? 819 00:46:11,104 --> 00:46:13,189 Well, there is no problem, is there? 820 00:46:13,231 --> 00:46:15,233 Because the chimp doesn't exist. 821 00:46:16,985 --> 00:46:18,695 (somber music playing) 822 00:46:18,737 --> 00:46:23,366 If the chimp goes away, the liability goes away 823 00:46:23,408 --> 00:46:26,077 from everybody involved in it. 824 00:46:27,537 --> 00:46:30,123 Eric: Do you think this sounds awfully similar 825 00:46:30,165 --> 00:46:32,083 to the chimp in Pendleton? 826 00:46:33,418 --> 00:46:35,003 Yes. 827 00:46:36,504 --> 00:46:38,048 (music fades out) 828 00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:40,717 Beau: I don't know a lot about PETA, 829 00:46:40,717 --> 00:46:44,220 but they like to take animals away from people. 830 00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:48,058 And, uh, my mother just said, you know, pretty much, 831 00:46:48,099 --> 00:46:50,185 "Fuck you, I want to do this to the end." 832 00:46:53,271 --> 00:46:55,440 ♪♪ 833 00:46:55,482 --> 00:46:57,400 She tried to get me to go move back up there. 834 00:46:57,442 --> 00:46:58,860 I said no. 835 00:46:58,902 --> 00:47:02,280 And then she got my sister, April, 836 00:47:02,322 --> 00:47:03,948 to go stay up there to help. 837 00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:07,744 Jaime: Buck had now been completely confined 838 00:47:07,786 --> 00:47:09,913 to just the upstairs. 839 00:47:09,954 --> 00:47:13,458 The downstairs room that he had lived in his entire childhood, 840 00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:15,418 now, some stranger's living in there 841 00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:17,128 with all of their stuff in there. 842 00:47:20,882 --> 00:47:23,927 Beau: Every day, Buck and my mother 843 00:47:23,927 --> 00:47:26,930 would go out and have their coffee and tea. 844 00:47:26,971 --> 00:47:30,100 The protocol was, before she let Buck out, 845 00:47:30,141 --> 00:47:32,102 Mom would call my sister 846 00:47:32,143 --> 00:47:35,772 to make sure the door is locked downstairs. 847 00:47:35,814 --> 00:47:38,316 Well, everyone forgot protocol. 848 00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:43,697 As soon as Mom let Buck out, 849 00:47:43,738 --> 00:47:46,491 he ran down there wanting to go see my sister. 850 00:47:47,826 --> 00:47:50,036 And then, it began. 851 00:47:50,078 --> 00:47:52,080 (unsettling music playing) 852 00:48:00,714 --> 00:48:04,175 (voice breaking) It lasted between five and eight minutes. 853 00:48:07,971 --> 00:48:09,556 A bloody fight. 854 00:48:14,019 --> 00:48:16,813 Jaime: She was lying in bed, kicking at him, 855 00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:18,690 trying to defend herself. 856 00:48:20,233 --> 00:48:22,193 If Buck wanted to kill April, he could have. 857 00:48:23,695 --> 00:48:24,946 But he stopped. 858 00:48:29,743 --> 00:48:31,453 And after it was done... 859 00:48:33,329 --> 00:48:36,875 he looked at my mom like he was confused. 860 00:48:39,836 --> 00:48:42,047 He was like, "I don't know what happened.” 861 00:48:44,299 --> 00:48:46,217 (dog barking) 862 00:48:46,259 --> 00:48:48,178 operator: 911, what is your emergency? 863 00:48:48,178 --> 00:48:50,221 (Tamara speaking) 864 00:48:51,306 --> 00:48:52,891 operator: What's going on? 865 00:48:56,102 --> 00:48:58,021 Jaime: When Tamara makes the 911 call... 866 00:48:58,063 --> 00:49:00,231 officer: I'm gonna go through the brush right here. 867 00:49:00,273 --> 00:49:03,902 ...the very weird thing is that she is calm as can be. 868 00:49:03,943 --> 00:49:05,737 (Tamara speaking) 869 00:49:10,575 --> 00:49:12,243 (officer speaking) 870 00:49:14,746 --> 00:49:15,747 (dog barking) 871 00:49:15,789 --> 00:49:17,582 (Tamara speaking) 872 00:49:23,171 --> 00:49:25,048 officer 2: Yeah. 873 00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:26,925 (Buck screeching) 874 00:49:26,966 --> 00:49:28,343 Well, he just moved. 875 00:49:29,678 --> 00:49:32,222 Jaime: Tamara was done paying for him. 876 00:49:32,222 --> 00:49:33,973 She was done being isolated. 877 00:49:36,893 --> 00:49:39,145 officer: There's a secondary fence under the patio. 878 00:49:40,355 --> 00:49:43,108 Jaime: She was looking for a way out, 879 00:49:43,149 --> 00:49:46,528 but she was never going to let it be through PETA. 880 00:49:47,987 --> 00:49:48,988 officer: Buddy? 881 00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:50,949 (dog barking) 882 00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:52,992 (Buck screeching) 883 00:49:55,704 --> 00:49:57,622 Alright, I'm gonna try to get in for a shot. 884 00:49:59,207 --> 00:50:00,792 (whistling) Hey. 885 00:50:01,918 --> 00:50:03,795 Is there somebody there? 886 00:50:04,462 --> 00:50:05,463 (barking continues) 887 00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:06,631 (Tamara speaking) 888 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,093 officer: Okay. 889 00:50:10,468 --> 00:50:11,469 (Tamara speaking) 890 00:50:13,179 --> 00:50:14,931 -(gunshot) -officer: He's down. 891 00:50:14,931 --> 00:50:16,975 (police radio chatter) 892 00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:25,150 officer 1: Okay. 893 00:50:29,195 --> 00:50:31,531 (indistinct chatter) 894 00:50:31,573 --> 00:50:37,579 Beau: He took some big chunks out of her legs, her torso. 895 00:50:38,705 --> 00:50:40,707 (overlapping chatter) 896 00:50:45,337 --> 00:50:46,796 (crying) It was horrible. 897 00:50:46,838 --> 00:50:50,383 It was horr-- I mean, it was, it was like a shark bite. 898 00:50:50,425 --> 00:50:52,302 Tamara: Sweetheart, I'll be up at the hospital. 899 00:50:52,344 --> 00:50:53,345 I'll be there. 900 00:50:53,511 --> 00:50:54,512 (April Brogoitti speaking) 901 00:50:56,014 --> 00:50:58,892 I love you, April. Everything's gonna be okay. 902 00:50:59,142 --> 00:51:00,185 (April speaking) 903 00:51:00,685 --> 00:51:01,895 Tamara: It's gonna be okay, baby. 904 00:51:02,145 --> 00:51:04,230 (somber music playing) 905 00:51:05,899 --> 00:51:09,319 I'm sorry. My sister's okay. (sniffles) 906 00:51:09,819 --> 00:51:12,572 Only because she's like the toughest human being alive. 907 00:51:16,034 --> 00:51:17,535 But it had to be done. 908 00:51:19,037 --> 00:51:23,875 The shooting was 100% justified, without question. 909 00:51:28,004 --> 00:51:31,049 Robert: Something else should have happened. 910 00:51:31,091 --> 00:51:34,552 He should not have been shot in the head. 911 00:51:37,889 --> 00:51:39,432 Should not have been killed. 912 00:51:43,353 --> 00:51:46,189 Brittany: As soon as I found out that Buck died, 913 00:51:46,189 --> 00:51:47,941 I called Tamara. 914 00:51:49,651 --> 00:51:51,403 She didn't talk to me for very long, 915 00:51:51,444 --> 00:51:53,655 and she told me that Buck's death was my fault. 916 00:51:55,699 --> 00:51:58,118 What hurt me was not that Tamara accused me 917 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,120 of being responsible for Buck's death. 918 00:52:00,161 --> 00:52:04,874 It was just the, the complete senselessness 919 00:52:04,916 --> 00:52:07,711 of his death in the first place, 920 00:52:07,752 --> 00:52:13,299 uh, especially when we were-- we were making progress, and... 921 00:52:15,885 --> 00:52:16,928 um... 922 00:52:19,305 --> 00:52:22,017 it's just awful that that happened to him. 923 00:52:24,269 --> 00:52:26,271 ♪♪ 924 00:52:27,856 --> 00:52:30,108 Jaime: Ready? Here's your last one. 925 00:52:33,653 --> 00:52:35,321 Yes, you're a snot-face. 926 00:52:37,032 --> 00:52:38,616 (laughing) 927 00:52:39,951 --> 00:52:43,121 I believe that Buck is a victim of circumstance, 928 00:52:43,163 --> 00:52:44,956 and he is a victim of humans. 929 00:52:47,417 --> 00:52:49,753 And I understand it is a beautiful baby 930 00:52:49,753 --> 00:52:52,297 that you feel so incredibly bonded to. 931 00:52:52,339 --> 00:52:55,050 And it is so strong, and it is so loving. 932 00:52:56,676 --> 00:52:58,803 But it is so for you. 933 00:53:00,847 --> 00:53:02,640 And it is at the expense of the ape. 934 00:53:07,103 --> 00:53:09,898 (whispering) They don't understand. They don't understand. 935 00:53:10,982 --> 00:53:12,650 Jaime: Because there is going to come a day 936 00:53:12,692 --> 00:53:14,569 when no matter how much you love him... 937 00:53:15,653 --> 00:53:17,655 he needs more than you can provide. 938 00:53:19,741 --> 00:53:21,659 (phone line ringing) 939 00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:27,499 Eric: We have some urgent information 940 00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:29,834 that we have to talk to you about immediately. 941 00:53:30,835 --> 00:53:33,838 It echoes a very similar storyline 942 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,675 as Buck and Tamara in Pendleton. 943 00:53:37,842 --> 00:53:39,386 And we don't want that outcome. 944 00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:45,350 This is a phone conversation that we recorded. 945 00:53:49,896 --> 00:53:51,690 (Tonia speaking on recording) 946 00:54:12,043 --> 00:54:14,004 Thank you so much for sharing this information. 947 00:54:14,045 --> 00:54:18,383 It is critical, it's effectively what we've been looking for. 948 00:54:19,092 --> 00:54:23,054 Um, and we will do everything we possibly can with it. 949 00:54:23,096 --> 00:54:25,682 And at least from my perspective, 950 00:54:25,724 --> 00:54:28,935 I think we're ready to discuss what that something is 951 00:54:28,977 --> 00:54:30,645 and how we're going to do it. 952 00:54:31,771 --> 00:54:33,523 Eric: Should we go off the record? 953 00:54:33,565 --> 00:54:35,066 -I think so. -Eric: Okay. 954 00:54:35,108 --> 00:54:37,152 ("Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" by Violent Femmes playing) 955 00:54:37,193 --> 00:54:42,032 ♪ Do you really want to hurt me? ♪ 956 00:54:42,073 --> 00:54:46,244 ♪ Do you really want to make me cry? ♪ 957 00:54:46,286 --> 00:54:50,749 ♪ No, I don't really want to hurt you ♪ 958 00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:55,545 ♪ Then lovers always ask me why, why, why, why? ♪ 959 00:54:55,545 --> 00:54:59,716 ♪ In my mind my memory's burning ♪ 960 00:54:59,716 --> 00:55:04,304 ♪ What's your favorite color of your favorite car? ♪ 961 00:55:04,346 --> 00:55:08,725 ♪ I took a step, the step was learning ♪ 962 00:55:08,725 --> 00:55:13,480 ♪ That that's a step beyond a step too far ♪ 963 00:55:13,521 --> 00:55:18,109 ♪ Do you really want to hurt me? ♪ 964 00:55:18,151 --> 00:55:22,238 ♪ Do you really want to make me cry? ♪ 965 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,743 ♪ No, I don't really want to hurt you ♪ 966 00:55:26,743 --> 00:55:31,081 ♪ I told the truth but it was still a lie ♪ 967 00:55:31,122 --> 00:55:34,125 ♪♪ 968 00:55:38,171 --> 00:55:40,173 (song fades out)