1 00:00:17,392 --> 00:00:19,728 (swallows hard) 2 00:00:23,064 --> 00:00:25,066 (sniffs) Okay, I'm ready. 3 00:00:26,443 --> 00:00:28,570 ("Dream a Little Dream Of Me" by The Mamas & The Papas playing) 4 00:00:33,324 --> 00:00:35,827 Tonka always makes me feel safe. 5 00:00:35,869 --> 00:00:39,873 If, um, he's around, nobody's gonna ever hurt me, ever. 6 00:00:39,914 --> 00:00:44,336 ♪ Stars shining bright above you ♪ 7 00:00:45,503 --> 00:00:48,340 His eyes are so soft and so loving. 8 00:00:48,381 --> 00:00:50,717 ♪ Whisper "I love you" ♪ 9 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:52,886 That's Tonka's soul, that's his spirit. 10 00:00:52,927 --> 00:00:55,638 He's just a very kind and loving person. 11 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,726 ♪ Dream a little dream of me ♪ 12 00:00:59,768 --> 00:01:03,021 Everybody gets mad, especially, like, my husband, 13 00:01:03,063 --> 00:01:06,566 because he thinks I should put him before Tonka. 14 00:01:06,608 --> 00:01:10,195 But there's no way that Jerry is as loyal as Tonka is to me. 15 00:01:10,236 --> 00:01:11,404 (chuckles) 16 00:01:11,446 --> 00:01:13,239 Tonka is it. 17 00:01:13,281 --> 00:01:17,327 ♪ While I'm alone, blue as can be ♪ 18 00:01:17,327 --> 00:01:21,581 ♪ Dream a little dream of me ♪ 19 00:01:23,416 --> 00:01:28,755 ♪ Stars fading but I linger on, dear ♪ 20 00:01:28,797 --> 00:01:33,009 ♪ Still craving your kiss ♪ 21 00:01:33,051 --> 00:01:35,387 -(sirens blaring) -(loud banging) 22 00:01:35,428 --> 00:01:37,347 (police radio chatter) 23 00:01:37,347 --> 00:01:39,557 officer: Police department. Please open up. 24 00:01:39,598 --> 00:01:41,601 -(tense music playing) -(loud banging continues) 25 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:46,064 (Tonia speaking) 26 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:50,902 (music intensifies) 27 00:01:52,904 --> 00:01:54,489 (phone dings) 28 00:01:57,908 --> 00:01:59,285 Fuck. 29 00:01:59,327 --> 00:02:01,037 (phone line ringing) 30 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:02,580 -Tonia Haddix (on phone): Hello? -You alright? 31 00:02:21,766 --> 00:02:24,144 -Did you hear me? -Damn, yeah, I heard you. 32 00:02:24,185 --> 00:02:26,187 ♪♪ 33 00:02:26,521 --> 00:02:27,772 (Tonia speaking) 34 00:02:39,868 --> 00:02:43,121 Dwayne Cunningham: Alright, I'm gonna make my way your way. 35 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:45,123 You're not in custody, are you? 36 00:02:47,125 --> 00:02:49,461 (Tonia speaking) 37 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:54,591 (laughing) You're crazy. 38 00:02:54,632 --> 00:02:56,676 You are a crazy girl, you. 39 00:03:01,514 --> 00:03:03,808 (tense music continues) 40 00:03:06,019 --> 00:03:07,937 Eric Goode: Apparently, the entire 30 minutes 41 00:03:07,979 --> 00:03:09,356 of the phone call with Tonia 42 00:03:09,397 --> 00:03:11,274 is public record. 43 00:03:11,316 --> 00:03:13,276 It's not sealed. 44 00:03:13,276 --> 00:03:15,779 The question is, where does that leave us? 45 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:17,697 -Eric (on phone): Yeah. -(laughing) 46 00:03:17,739 --> 00:03:20,158 100%, she's gonna know, 47 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,369 whether she knows now or later. 48 00:03:23,495 --> 00:03:26,456 Did you get any sense that she-- 49 00:03:26,456 --> 00:03:28,708 Dwayne (on phone): No, she didn't sound suspicious. 50 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:32,003 (Eric speaking) 51 00:03:33,838 --> 00:03:35,131 Uh, yeah. 52 00:03:35,173 --> 00:03:37,550 (ominous music playing) 53 00:03:39,844 --> 00:03:41,388 (Eric speaking) 54 00:03:43,180 --> 00:03:46,976 Dwayne: Yeah. But nothing is happening today. 55 00:03:47,018 --> 00:03:48,561 They can't move Tonka 56 00:03:48,603 --> 00:03:50,855 until the vet comes and everything. 57 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:56,152 camera operator: You're rolling. 58 00:03:56,152 --> 00:03:57,195 Dwayne: We're good? 59 00:03:57,237 --> 00:03:58,571 crew member: What do you think? 60 00:03:58,613 --> 00:03:59,906 What do you think? 61 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:05,870 (laughing) Thanks for your help. 62 00:04:05,912 --> 00:04:07,330 (laughs) 63 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:09,207 -Good luck, Dwayne. -Dwayne: Alright. 64 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:12,252 ♪♪ 65 00:04:20,719 --> 00:04:22,220 (car parks) 66 00:04:23,555 --> 00:04:24,723 (Dwayne sighs) 67 00:04:31,062 --> 00:04:32,480 (car door closes) 68 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:37,610 I can see the U.S. Marshal camped out 69 00:04:37,652 --> 00:04:41,072 at the end of the driveway in an SUV. 70 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:47,996 (Tonia speaking) 71 00:04:49,247 --> 00:04:52,000 -Tonia: Um, whatchamacallit. -Dwayne: Hey, man. 72 00:04:53,585 --> 00:04:54,961 (sighing) Oh, God. 73 00:05:00,133 --> 00:05:01,426 Tonia: Yeah. 74 00:05:03,011 --> 00:05:04,346 Dwayne: Well, you hair looks great. 75 00:05:06,264 --> 00:05:07,682 (Tonia laughing) 76 00:05:19,903 --> 00:05:22,072 Dwayne: Wait, are they gonna put you on the cover 77 00:05:22,113 --> 00:05:23,448 of the "Rolling Stone"? 78 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:25,283 (Dwayne laughing) 79 00:05:25,492 --> 00:05:27,494 Dwayne: You kids are too young to remember. 80 00:05:27,535 --> 00:05:29,287 If you were a rock star, to get your picture 81 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,914 on the cover of the "Rolling Stone" 82 00:05:30,914 --> 00:05:33,875 was like getting your picture on the cover of "Time" magazine. 83 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:37,879 (Tonia sighs) 84 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:45,136 Dwayne: You don't know? 85 00:06:03,613 --> 00:06:07,534 -(tense music playing) -(Tonka screeching in distance) 86 00:06:21,006 --> 00:06:22,674 Dwayne: But then what, Ton? 87 00:06:22,716 --> 00:06:24,592 I mean, you don't wanna be on the run. 88 00:06:26,678 --> 00:06:29,014 Dwayne: You'd be on "America's Most Wanted". 89 00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:32,225 And, and PETA would love it. 90 00:06:34,436 --> 00:06:37,355 It's time for it to end, don't you think? 91 00:06:39,315 --> 00:06:41,359 Just enjoy what's left. 92 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,280 (Tonia speaking) 93 00:06:52,037 --> 00:06:54,039 ♪♪ 94 00:06:58,626 --> 00:07:00,920 Tonia: There's Jared Goodman right there. 95 00:07:00,962 --> 00:07:02,630 Little weasel prick. 96 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:06,217 He better fuckin' stay away. 97 00:07:13,183 --> 00:07:14,392 (Tonia speaking on phone) 98 00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:30,909 (Tonka chittering) 99 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:35,288 This is how stressed out they make him. 100 00:07:35,330 --> 00:07:39,042 And he literally has gone ape. 101 00:07:39,084 --> 00:07:41,086 -(banging) -(chittering continues) 102 00:07:43,213 --> 00:07:47,050 And they think this is not harming and harassing 103 00:07:47,092 --> 00:07:48,760 a chimp that is ill? 104 00:07:50,261 --> 00:07:52,263 (police radio chatter) 105 00:07:54,516 --> 00:07:56,142 They're getting ready to dart him. 106 00:07:56,183 --> 00:07:57,560 He's in the room next to me. 107 00:07:57,602 --> 00:08:01,189 And as you can tell, he's raising nine kinds of hell. 108 00:08:01,856 --> 00:08:03,441 Here is all their equipment 109 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:06,277 with their little shit police department. 110 00:08:07,696 --> 00:08:09,531 (Tonka screeching, banging) 111 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:24,713 -(police radio chatter) -(Tonka chittering) 112 00:08:26,214 --> 00:08:28,216 (loud banging) 113 00:08:30,218 --> 00:08:32,220 (chittering continues) 114 00:08:33,221 --> 00:08:35,222 (somber music playing) 115 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:41,438 Brittany Peet (on video call): When we stepped foot 116 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:43,773 on Tonia Haddix's property, 117 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:49,279 we didn't know if we were going to walk out with Tonka alive, 118 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,865 or if he would come out in a body bag. 119 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:55,368 Two veterinarians sedated Tonka. 120 00:08:56,411 --> 00:08:57,829 Because the basement was so dark, 121 00:08:57,871 --> 00:09:00,540 they couldn't actually do the exam there. 122 00:09:00,582 --> 00:09:05,462 So, they ran an EKG and did a general physical exam 123 00:09:05,503 --> 00:09:07,380 on Tonia's patio. 124 00:09:09,507 --> 00:09:13,553 Thankfully, the vets made the call that, that he could go. 125 00:09:14,512 --> 00:09:16,181 And then, they were on their way. 126 00:09:20,101 --> 00:09:21,478 reporter 1: A Hollywood animal star 127 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:24,397 has finally been rescued after a year-long search. 128 00:09:24,439 --> 00:09:26,191 reporter 2: Tonka, a 38-year-old chimp 129 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:27,734 who starred in the movies "Buddy" 130 00:09:27,776 --> 00:09:29,652 and "George of the Jungle", among others, 131 00:09:29,652 --> 00:09:33,031 whose owner hid him after allegedly claiming he was dead. 132 00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:35,200 reporter 3: They only found out Tonka's true whereabouts 133 00:09:35,241 --> 00:09:36,743 when Haddix told someone on the phone, 134 00:09:36,785 --> 00:09:38,536 outlining plans to euthanize him. 135 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:40,330 reporter 4: Haddix told Fox-2 today 136 00:09:40,372 --> 00:09:42,832 she's unable to talk on camera, but she messaged, quote, 137 00:09:42,874 --> 00:09:45,085 "If the judicial system was just, 138 00:09:45,126 --> 00:09:47,921 he never would've left the only home he's ever known." 139 00:09:47,962 --> 00:09:49,964 (somber music continues) 140 00:09:59,474 --> 00:10:01,976 ♪♪ 141 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:12,529 (music fades out) 142 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:14,406 (birds chirping) 143 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:17,492 reporter: The sprawling property became a crime scene... 144 00:10:19,411 --> 00:10:23,039 after Travis the chimp went on a wild rampage. 145 00:10:23,081 --> 00:10:25,542 -(Travis screeching) -Sandy Herold: Send the police! 146 00:10:25,542 --> 00:10:26,960 operator: What's the problem there? 147 00:10:27,002 --> 00:10:29,254 Sandy: He's killing my friend! 148 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:31,047 reporter: The chimp's owner, Sandy Herold, 149 00:10:31,089 --> 00:10:32,924 says Travis was a loving pet. 150 00:10:34,009 --> 00:10:35,510 It's just been hell, it's-- 151 00:10:36,594 --> 00:10:38,930 There's no way to explain it any different. 152 00:10:40,598 --> 00:10:43,059 Nadina Truini: After the loss of Travis, 153 00:10:43,101 --> 00:10:46,771 a lot of people had their own opinions about Sandy. 154 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:49,566 How could anyone think that's a good idea, 155 00:10:49,566 --> 00:10:51,901 to try and domesticate a 200-pound chimp? 156 00:10:51,943 --> 00:10:54,154 reporter: This was a brutal attack by a wild animal. 157 00:10:54,195 --> 00:10:56,573 I don't care if he was a celebrity. 158 00:10:56,573 --> 00:10:58,742 Nadina: People were saying horrible things. 159 00:10:58,783 --> 00:11:01,161 Sandy: I cooked for him, I shopped for him, 160 00:11:01,202 --> 00:11:03,580 I lived with him, I slept with him. I-- 161 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:06,166 "Oh, she was having sex with that chimp!" 162 00:11:06,207 --> 00:11:08,585 One person took the narrative, 163 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:11,087 and it makes a good story, right? 164 00:11:11,129 --> 00:11:13,465 Kerri DeBlasi: It was all over the world. 165 00:11:13,506 --> 00:11:16,634 Sandy had to, like, go into hiding. 166 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:18,595 All of a sudden, she's the mother 167 00:11:18,595 --> 00:11:22,098 that, you know, may have contributed 168 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:25,185 to this horrible thing that happened to Charla Nash. 169 00:11:25,226 --> 00:11:27,812 reporter: Charla Nash is at Ohio's Cleveland Clinic 170 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:30,023 as she recovers from the massive injuries 171 00:11:30,065 --> 00:11:31,858 she suffered in the February attack. 172 00:11:33,443 --> 00:11:34,986 Oprah Winfrey (singing): ♪ Happy birthday ♪ 173 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:37,280 -(Charla chuckles) -♪ To you ♪ 174 00:11:37,322 --> 00:11:39,491 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 175 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:43,787 ♪ Happy birthday, dear Charla, happy birthday to you ♪ 176 00:11:43,828 --> 00:11:45,163 Charla Nash: Thank you. 177 00:11:46,456 --> 00:11:48,500 Eric: Did you see the Oprah Winfrey interview? 178 00:11:48,540 --> 00:11:50,043 Yeah, it was horrible. 179 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,129 Oprah: You know, many people around the world 180 00:11:53,171 --> 00:11:55,965 want to get a picture of you. 181 00:11:56,007 --> 00:11:57,884 Would you mind lifting the veil? 182 00:11:57,926 --> 00:12:00,553 (unsettling music playing) 183 00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:05,809 Nadina: Once I saw Charla unveil her face, 184 00:12:05,850 --> 00:12:09,187 I could no longer watch it, it was, it was heartbreaking. 185 00:12:10,021 --> 00:12:12,023 ♪♪ 186 00:12:13,483 --> 00:12:16,945 For the next several months, Sandy was almost inconsolable. 187 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:21,991 Jerry Herold: Come on, Travis, do like at home on the bed. 188 00:12:22,033 --> 00:12:23,493 Sandy: Here. 189 00:12:23,535 --> 00:12:26,204 Nadina: Her husband had passed. 190 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:27,330 Get up. 191 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:29,040 Sandy: This is my husband's rest day. 192 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:32,711 Nadina: Travis was the nail in the coffin. 193 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,214 Her entire family's gone now. 194 00:12:37,215 --> 00:12:39,300 She felt as though she had no purpose. 195 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:47,726 She kept everything intact as if Travis was still alive. 196 00:12:49,394 --> 00:12:52,856 The Elmo doll that he loved very much, 197 00:12:52,897 --> 00:12:55,150 all his pictures on the frigerator. 198 00:12:56,234 --> 00:12:59,404 It was almost like it was frozen in time, 199 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,072 as if it was a memorial, 200 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:03,408 just waiting for Travis to come home. 201 00:13:04,576 --> 00:13:07,412 Kerri: Even the blood was still there. 202 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:09,330 It set into the plywood. 203 00:13:11,416 --> 00:13:12,584 (Eric speaking) 204 00:13:14,461 --> 00:13:16,129 She never removed it. 205 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:20,050 (Sandy laughing) 206 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:22,969 reporter: After what you've been through with this, 207 00:13:23,011 --> 00:13:25,847 do you still think chimps should be pets? 208 00:13:28,099 --> 00:13:30,101 Would I have done it again? Yes. 209 00:13:32,354 --> 00:13:35,940 It was horrific what happened, 210 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:38,234 but I'll miss him for the rest of my life. 211 00:13:38,276 --> 00:13:40,904 Jerry: This is Travis. He's, he's gonna take a bath. 212 00:13:40,904 --> 00:13:43,698 Nadina: She really could not accept that Travis was gone. 213 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:48,912 That led her to seek out a medium 214 00:13:48,912 --> 00:13:53,083 with hopes of being able to still communicate 215 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:54,959 with Trav in some way. 216 00:13:57,629 --> 00:13:59,297 (tape recorder starts) 217 00:14:37,252 --> 00:14:40,255 (eerie music playing) 218 00:14:48,013 --> 00:14:49,848 (door creaking) 219 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:01,484 Pam Rosaire: Poor Sandy. 220 00:15:01,526 --> 00:15:04,821 She was really lonely, you know, for chimps. 221 00:15:04,863 --> 00:15:06,865 (all hooting) 222 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:09,909 (chimp screeching) 223 00:15:12,746 --> 00:15:15,331 Sandy kept coming to visit, no matter where we were, 224 00:15:15,331 --> 00:15:16,875 all over the country. 225 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:18,835 (audience applauding) 226 00:15:18,877 --> 00:15:20,837 She showed up all over the place: 227 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:23,089 at fairs, at rodeos, at circus. 228 00:15:23,131 --> 00:15:24,507 Thank you very much. 229 00:15:24,507 --> 00:15:28,511 She missed her own chimp, so she tracked us down. 230 00:15:28,553 --> 00:15:30,055 (laughing) 231 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:33,183 Chance, can you speak? 232 00:15:33,224 --> 00:15:36,853 "I'm a chimpanzee, and I'm a Pam troglodyte." 233 00:15:36,853 --> 00:15:40,774 Ready? "Pam troglodyte." 234 00:15:42,317 --> 00:15:43,610 (laughing) 235 00:15:44,903 --> 00:15:47,197 Yes! (laughing) 236 00:15:47,864 --> 00:15:52,202 Eric: How did you and Sandy become partners with this chimp? 237 00:15:52,202 --> 00:15:55,538 Pam: The people that had him didn't have the right permits. 238 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:59,709 He was gonna get confiscated and euthanized. 239 00:15:59,709 --> 00:16:01,586 So, I thought, "What are you waiting for? 240 00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:02,671 Go get it." 241 00:16:16,101 --> 00:16:21,064 I was about 20-grand short. (laughing) 242 00:16:21,064 --> 00:16:23,066 (Sandy speaking on tape) 243 00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:34,285 medium: Gives you another chance. 244 00:16:37,288 --> 00:16:39,457 (somber guitar music playing) 245 00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:42,585 Kerri: After having her friend completely be torn up 246 00:16:42,627 --> 00:16:44,462 and almost killed by a chimp, 247 00:16:44,504 --> 00:16:47,799 Sandy went out one year later 248 00:16:47,841 --> 00:16:50,135 and bought herself another chimp. 249 00:16:51,803 --> 00:16:53,513 It's insane, when you think about it. 250 00:16:53,555 --> 00:16:54,639 It's insane. 251 00:16:56,266 --> 00:17:00,270 Sandy would fly down to Sarasota when she could 252 00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:03,940 and hang out with Chance and their other chimpanzees. 253 00:17:03,982 --> 00:17:07,444 Pam: She wanted Chance to stay the night with her, right, 254 00:17:07,484 --> 00:17:09,945 'cause she stayed with us. 255 00:17:09,988 --> 00:17:11,531 He wouldn't stay in bed with her, 256 00:17:11,573 --> 00:17:14,826 he kept sneaking off to me. (laughing) 257 00:17:16,202 --> 00:17:19,622 He already knew I was his mom. 258 00:17:19,664 --> 00:17:22,541 Kerri: They snuck him up here at least once. 259 00:17:22,584 --> 00:17:25,462 I have pictures of him in Sandy's kitchen. 260 00:17:25,502 --> 00:17:27,547 The state of Connecticut would never stand for her 261 00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,258 having another chimp on her property in Stamford. 262 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:34,471 Nadina: Sandy thought visiting with Pam 263 00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:36,389 would really help the pain. 264 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,394 But in the end, it was like, "Wait a minute, 265 00:17:41,436 --> 00:17:43,521 this-this isn't making it better." 266 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:48,151 Sandy: Come here. Come here. Come here. 267 00:17:48,193 --> 00:17:50,028 Put your legs around my neck. Put 'em around my neck. 268 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:51,237 Trav, Trav. 269 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:53,907 Give me a big kiss. Come here. 270 00:17:55,784 --> 00:17:58,370 Kerri: She was in a phenomenal amount of pain. 271 00:17:59,788 --> 00:18:02,832 One day, she said, "Man, I'm really not feeling good, 272 00:18:02,832 --> 00:18:06,044 but I'm gonna take a bath. Maybe that'll help." 273 00:18:07,796 --> 00:18:09,422 And that was it. 274 00:18:11,716 --> 00:18:14,094 Sandra Herold died all alone, 275 00:18:14,135 --> 00:18:16,763 vilified to the very end for raising that wild chimp. 276 00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:20,350 But she was fairly healthy, so it was a shock this week 277 00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:23,228 when she suddenly died from a ruptured aortic aneurysm. 278 00:18:23,269 --> 00:18:24,688 Her lawyer told us, quote, "In the end..." 279 00:18:24,729 --> 00:18:27,482 Pam: She couldn't get over Travis dying. 280 00:18:28,858 --> 00:18:31,778 I honestly believe she died of a broken heart. 281 00:18:34,406 --> 00:18:36,866 Give me a sucky kiss. Give me a sucky kiss. 282 00:18:36,908 --> 00:18:39,536 Give me a sucky kiss. 283 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:40,954 (Sandy laughs) 284 00:18:42,247 --> 00:18:44,874 Kerri: When it was time to bury Sandy, 285 00:18:44,916 --> 00:18:47,419 I knew where Travis's ashes were. 286 00:18:50,296 --> 00:18:54,217 Pam: Sandy totally loved that animal, 287 00:18:54,259 --> 00:18:56,261 like I love my chimps. 288 00:18:58,054 --> 00:19:00,640 Part of you dies with 'em, you know? 289 00:19:05,353 --> 00:19:08,189 (music fades out) 290 00:19:11,526 --> 00:19:12,819 crew member: Where we headed, Dwayne? 291 00:19:12,861 --> 00:19:14,404 Dwayne: Straight. 292 00:19:14,404 --> 00:19:17,615 And her house is gonna be right in front of us. 293 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:19,659 (turn signal clicking) 294 00:19:23,121 --> 00:19:26,833 No cars in the driveway. 295 00:19:31,254 --> 00:19:33,298 (texting, keypad clacking) 296 00:19:35,467 --> 00:19:38,928 I'm, uh, basically just saying to, uh, Tonia 297 00:19:38,970 --> 00:19:42,140 that haven't heard from her, I hope she's okay. 298 00:19:42,182 --> 00:19:47,062 And she knows she can always, uh, reach out and find me. 299 00:19:50,648 --> 00:19:52,108 crew member: Jesus. (laughing) 300 00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:54,444 -Dwayne: What? -Watching you text like this. 301 00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:57,655 -Dwayne: Well, I'm trying to... -(crew member laughing) 302 00:19:57,697 --> 00:20:00,158 (light, plucky music playing) 303 00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,787 (phone line ringing) 304 00:20:03,828 --> 00:20:05,622 voicemail: Your call has been forwarded 305 00:20:05,622 --> 00:20:07,290 to an automatic voice message system. 306 00:20:07,332 --> 00:20:08,708 ♪♪ 307 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:12,837 9-9-9-5-3 is not available. 308 00:20:12,879 --> 00:20:15,298 Your call has been forwarded 309 00:20:15,298 --> 00:20:17,342 to an automatic voice message system. 310 00:20:17,384 --> 00:20:18,677 Is not available. 311 00:20:18,885 --> 00:20:20,095 Is not available. 312 00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:21,846 Is not available. 313 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:23,890 (phone line ringing) 314 00:20:23,932 --> 00:20:26,017 ...or press 1 for more options. 315 00:20:27,102 --> 00:20:28,395 Your call has been forwarded 316 00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:30,772 to an automatic voice message system. 317 00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:35,193 ♪♪ 318 00:20:36,194 --> 00:20:38,905 -(sighs) -(phone line ringing) 319 00:20:40,532 --> 00:20:41,533 Yo. 320 00:20:43,368 --> 00:20:45,495 Dwayne: Obviously, Tonia's figured it out. 321 00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:47,038 (Eric speaking on phone) 322 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,876 Um, yeah. Well, I mean, that-- 323 00:20:51,918 --> 00:20:53,837 Did you read the "Rolling Stone" article? 324 00:20:55,338 --> 00:20:56,381 Eric: Ugh, fuck! 325 00:20:56,798 --> 00:21:00,135 (dramatic music playing) 326 00:21:03,054 --> 00:21:04,597 Cheyenne Roundtree: I heard about the story 327 00:21:04,639 --> 00:21:07,350 a couple weeks before Tonka was found, 328 00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:10,603 when Alan Cumming put out a reward. 329 00:21:10,645 --> 00:21:15,066 I specialize in film and television investigations. 330 00:21:15,108 --> 00:21:17,193 This story's a little bit different, (chuckles) 331 00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:21,531 but Alan Cumming kind of was that gateway into, into this. 332 00:21:21,573 --> 00:21:24,409 A woman who claimed a chimpanzee was dead... 333 00:21:24,451 --> 00:21:26,369 Cheyenne: Shortly after the news came out 334 00:21:26,369 --> 00:21:29,706 that Tonka was alive, I just called Tonia. 335 00:21:29,748 --> 00:21:33,460 I didn't think she was gonna pick up, and she did. 336 00:21:33,501 --> 00:21:35,420 She admitted straight off the bat 337 00:21:35,462 --> 00:21:37,547 that she had Tonka for a year, 338 00:21:37,589 --> 00:21:40,967 and that someone in her life turned her in. 339 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:44,054 I was asking her who actually knew 340 00:21:44,095 --> 00:21:46,264 about Tonka being alive, and she's like, 341 00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:48,308 "The documentary crew knew. 342 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:50,226 Um, my friends knew. Friends watched him." 343 00:21:50,268 --> 00:21:53,855 And I said, "Documentary crew?" And she's like, "Yeah!" 344 00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:58,735 She gave me the name of the production company, 345 00:21:58,777 --> 00:22:03,239 and I was able to track down who was maybe participating. 346 00:22:03,281 --> 00:22:06,451 And it led back to, to you. (chuckles) 347 00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:10,830 She was pretty blindsided. 348 00:22:10,872 --> 00:22:13,917 Eric: Do you have any thoughts on why Tonia 349 00:22:13,958 --> 00:22:16,294 did this documentary with us, 350 00:22:16,336 --> 00:22:18,880 knowing everything that's happened and transpired? 351 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:23,093 I think she just want her story to be heard. 352 00:22:23,134 --> 00:22:26,805 I think she felt backed up against a wall with PETA. 353 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:30,308 And so, I think she just kind of wanted to voice her frustrations 354 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:32,769 and kind of, you know, going up against the man, 355 00:22:32,811 --> 00:22:35,188 and this is what's happening to her. 356 00:22:37,148 --> 00:22:39,776 I also think she's really talkative. (chuckles) 357 00:22:39,776 --> 00:22:41,611 (quirky music playing) 358 00:22:41,653 --> 00:22:43,154 She'll tell anyone everything. 359 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:44,781 (whispering) It's okay, baby. 360 00:22:44,781 --> 00:22:46,700 Cheyenne: When there's a chance to explain herself, 361 00:22:46,741 --> 00:22:47,951 she takes that. 362 00:22:47,951 --> 00:22:51,162 (chuckles) I love you, boy. 363 00:22:51,204 --> 00:22:55,291 Even when she knows that maybe she shouldn't keep talking 364 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:58,878 or tell people a secret, she just can't help herself. 365 00:23:00,088 --> 00:23:02,549 I really like Tonia. 366 00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:04,009 When she's telling me her story 367 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:05,510 and what she's went through, 368 00:23:05,552 --> 00:23:08,179 I was really, you know, empathizing with her. 369 00:23:09,848 --> 00:23:12,225 She told me she took care of Tonka 370 00:23:12,267 --> 00:23:14,519 the best way that she knew how. 371 00:23:15,478 --> 00:23:16,813 (eerie music playing) 372 00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:19,858 And then, I saw pictures of her in her basement. 373 00:23:20,942 --> 00:23:23,069 It just kind of hits you of, like, 374 00:23:23,111 --> 00:23:25,822 this is where he was being kept for a year, 375 00:23:25,864 --> 00:23:27,699 and alone with no other chimps. 376 00:23:29,617 --> 00:23:31,536 And I think the reality of the situation 377 00:23:31,578 --> 00:23:33,371 really becomes clear. 378 00:23:34,873 --> 00:23:37,834 To me, I question, does she not see 379 00:23:37,876 --> 00:23:39,711 what other people can see? 380 00:23:41,379 --> 00:23:44,716 (distant squawking, screeching) 381 00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:46,885 speaker 1 (on radio): Would somebody be able to grab the bucket 382 00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:49,220 with the chains and straps for the transfer box 383 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:51,181 and bring it over to special needs? 384 00:23:51,181 --> 00:23:53,224 (chimp screeching) 385 00:23:56,686 --> 00:24:01,191 speaker 2: The plan is to bring him into outside special needs. 386 00:24:01,232 --> 00:24:03,234 (tense music playing) 387 00:24:05,236 --> 00:24:07,864 (overlapping chatter) 388 00:24:07,906 --> 00:24:10,617 Jared Goodman: Immediately upon arrival to Save the Chimps, 389 00:24:10,658 --> 00:24:14,204 Tonka was placed in a temporary quarantine enclosure. 390 00:24:14,204 --> 00:24:17,540 (chimps screeching) 391 00:24:17,582 --> 00:24:20,752 Tonka did not have any sort of heart condition, 392 00:24:20,794 --> 00:24:22,337 as Tonia had said. 393 00:24:23,672 --> 00:24:26,049 All of the assessment really indicated, 394 00:24:26,049 --> 00:24:30,762 he was overweight and needed to be on a better diet. 395 00:24:30,804 --> 00:24:34,683 There was absolutely no basis whatsoever to euthanize him. 396 00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:40,647 Tonka will stay in quarantine for 90 days 397 00:24:40,689 --> 00:24:42,774 before, hopefully, he can be fully integrated 398 00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:46,945 into one of the 12 main islands at the facility. 399 00:24:49,239 --> 00:24:51,116 (music fades out) 400 00:25:17,142 --> 00:25:20,020 (light curious music playing) 401 00:25:45,045 --> 00:25:47,047 (sniffing) 402 00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:50,759 speaker: Look at those eyes. 403 00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:53,720 ♪♪ 404 00:26:06,858 --> 00:26:08,860 (music fades out) 405 00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:15,158 Pam: Chimps are not better off in a sanctuary. 406 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,743 (dog barking) 407 00:26:16,785 --> 00:26:18,703 (goat bleating) 408 00:26:18,745 --> 00:26:21,164 My chimps are prima donnas. 409 00:26:21,206 --> 00:26:23,667 Gotta get rid of the goat turds. 410 00:26:23,708 --> 00:26:26,711 He doesn't like 'em. (laughing) 411 00:26:28,254 --> 00:26:30,548 Turn around, there's no goat crap there, 412 00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:32,425 so stop looking for it. 413 00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:34,135 Sit down, put your feet down. 414 00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:39,099 Ugh, goat turds. Disgusting, aren't they? Ugh. 415 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:42,018 They don't like being in mosquitoes. 416 00:26:42,018 --> 00:26:45,355 They don't like the rain. They don't like the wind. 417 00:26:45,397 --> 00:26:47,607 Little bit of drizzle, they won't-- 418 00:26:47,649 --> 00:26:49,609 "No, I'm not going out today." 419 00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:54,698 My chimps have slept in the White House. 420 00:26:54,739 --> 00:26:56,199 announcer: Let's welcome her, if you will. 421 00:26:56,241 --> 00:26:58,034 Pamela Rosaire. 422 00:26:58,076 --> 00:27:01,037 Toto, why don't you do a handstand? 423 00:27:01,037 --> 00:27:03,748 -There it is, a head handstand! -(applause) 424 00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:06,710 Pam: Chimps that have been in the entertainment industry 425 00:27:06,751 --> 00:27:08,545 have been humanized. 426 00:27:08,586 --> 00:27:10,588 (quirky music playing) 427 00:27:12,507 --> 00:27:15,927 What are you getting? No, no, no, no. 428 00:27:15,969 --> 00:27:18,054 You come here. Give me those. 429 00:27:18,096 --> 00:27:21,975 Those are cold french fries. Give-- Come here. 430 00:27:22,017 --> 00:27:25,395 They want coffee in the morning, that kind of stuff. 431 00:27:25,437 --> 00:27:27,480 (laughing) 432 00:27:27,522 --> 00:27:29,941 Hands up. Put your hands up. 433 00:27:29,983 --> 00:27:33,445 They really love to perform and entertain people. 434 00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:35,613 Clap your hands. Hard, hard, hard. 435 00:27:35,655 --> 00:27:37,407 Harder, harder. 436 00:27:37,407 --> 00:27:41,119 And PETA, they just don't know what the real deal is. 437 00:27:42,037 --> 00:27:45,206 That's it, roll it. Roll it like a man, yeah. 438 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:48,918 Animals that have grown up entertaining, 439 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,628 they enjoy it. 440 00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:55,091 It's like, you know, what are they gonna do all day? 441 00:27:55,091 --> 00:27:56,426 It's like an old person. 442 00:27:56,426 --> 00:27:59,054 Once they retire, they don't last long. 443 00:28:00,013 --> 00:28:02,098 Come here. There you are, look. 444 00:28:02,140 --> 00:28:03,516 That's you. 445 00:28:03,558 --> 00:28:05,143 Roger Zoppe: There he is, there-- Look. 446 00:28:05,185 --> 00:28:06,436 Pam: Look, that's you. 447 00:28:06,436 --> 00:28:09,314 -(dog barking) -See, he recognizes Leo. 448 00:28:10,398 --> 00:28:12,442 He remembers doing all this. 449 00:28:12,484 --> 00:28:16,529 Stop! You're being crazy. 450 00:28:16,571 --> 00:28:18,823 Come here. Stop. 451 00:28:18,865 --> 00:28:20,992 Chance likes to come and hang out with us 452 00:28:21,034 --> 00:28:22,786 in the house. 453 00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:25,538 You're too big to lay in my lap. 454 00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:27,332 But you can't live with 'em. 455 00:28:27,374 --> 00:28:30,085 You're squeezing me really hard. 456 00:28:31,336 --> 00:28:34,381 You have to build a major facility. 457 00:28:34,422 --> 00:28:36,341 You know, like state pen. 458 00:28:37,467 --> 00:28:40,970 I know a lot of people think, "Oh, they're in a cage, well..." 459 00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:43,932 But you ask Chance, and he'll tell you. 460 00:28:45,725 --> 00:28:47,060 He's happy. 461 00:28:49,562 --> 00:28:51,022 Let's go this way. Let's go home. 462 00:28:51,064 --> 00:28:52,732 Come on. 463 00:28:53,316 --> 00:28:56,695 (quirky music continues) 464 00:28:57,696 --> 00:28:59,698 (metal door creaking) 465 00:28:59,739 --> 00:29:01,241 (music stops) 466 00:29:02,867 --> 00:29:05,036 (muffled hooting) 467 00:29:06,705 --> 00:29:09,916 (people screaming) 468 00:29:09,958 --> 00:29:12,252 (upbeat music playing) 469 00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:18,216 Dwayne: The way this whole thing went down, 470 00:29:18,258 --> 00:29:20,677 I do feel, uh, bad about that. 471 00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:27,058 But Tonia knew we were always filming a documentary. 472 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,185 And I always said, "Don't say anything 473 00:29:29,227 --> 00:29:31,229 that you don't want the whole world to know." 474 00:29:33,898 --> 00:29:35,567 Eric: So, let's try to call her. 475 00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:37,193 She may just hang up on you. 476 00:29:37,235 --> 00:29:38,778 crew member: Can you, uh-- When you hold the phone, 477 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:40,030 can you hold it with your other hand? 478 00:29:40,071 --> 00:29:41,906 Eric: And Dwayne, I would just be like, 479 00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:43,533 "Tonia, can I just explain... 480 00:29:43,575 --> 00:29:45,577 -If, if she answers. -...you know, my side?" 481 00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:51,124 (phone line ringing) 482 00:29:56,087 --> 00:29:58,048 (Tonia speaking on phone) 483 00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:04,554 -Hey, how are you? -Um, you know, I'm okay. 484 00:30:04,554 --> 00:30:09,434 And I just, uh... just thought I needed to call you. 485 00:30:09,476 --> 00:30:13,438 -Tonia: Mm-hm. -I just wanted to, uh, call and... 486 00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:18,610 and tell you, um... sorry. 487 00:30:20,195 --> 00:30:21,237 Um... 488 00:30:21,821 --> 00:30:27,952 This is, this is not what I had wanted to happen at all. 489 00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:33,583 Tonia: I believe that. 490 00:30:33,583 --> 00:30:36,670 Believe it or not, I do believe that. 491 00:30:36,711 --> 00:30:39,089 You know, you're the only one out of that whole crew 492 00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:40,757 that I thought the world of 493 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,509 because you do love the animals. 494 00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:43,927 I see it. 495 00:30:43,968 --> 00:30:46,096 I just couldn't figure out where your place was, 496 00:30:46,137 --> 00:30:47,305 except I just figured 497 00:30:47,347 --> 00:30:49,182 because Eric Goode's good at this, 498 00:30:49,224 --> 00:30:53,103 he hires people like you that can get in 499 00:30:53,144 --> 00:30:55,105 and get the trust built. 500 00:30:55,146 --> 00:30:57,607 Have you researched Eric Goode? 501 00:30:57,649 --> 00:30:59,776 -Yeah, I mean-- -Tonia: You know his mom 502 00:30:59,818 --> 00:31:02,612 was basically a prostitute, right? 503 00:31:02,612 --> 00:31:05,281 -His mom was trash. -(Dwayne laughing) 504 00:31:05,323 --> 00:31:07,867 And caused him to be fucked up in the head. 505 00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:10,203 -(Dwayne sighs) -He can't take the law 506 00:31:10,245 --> 00:31:14,124 into his own hands. He has no right to do that. 507 00:31:14,165 --> 00:31:17,168 I trusted you guys, and you guys harmed Tonka. 508 00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:18,837 You didn't harm me. 509 00:31:20,088 --> 00:31:21,506 Look at this. 510 00:31:21,548 --> 00:31:23,299 -(text message whooshing) -This is the first picture 511 00:31:23,341 --> 00:31:25,552 Save the Chimps posted of him. 512 00:31:25,593 --> 00:31:27,220 Look at his face. 513 00:31:27,262 --> 00:31:30,181 Tell me that he looks happy. 514 00:31:31,349 --> 00:31:32,851 He's lost. 515 00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:37,439 So, what happens now? 516 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:40,316 I mean... 517 00:31:40,358 --> 00:31:41,985 Tonia: Do I want this documentary? 518 00:31:42,027 --> 00:31:44,195 No, no, no, no, no. 519 00:31:45,447 --> 00:31:47,157 But here's the deal. 520 00:31:47,198 --> 00:31:48,992 If it has to be, though, 521 00:31:48,992 --> 00:31:52,412 I want it to be about what the true story is. 522 00:31:52,454 --> 00:31:56,750 So, if you can't beat 'em, you might as well join them. 523 00:31:59,169 --> 00:32:01,379 (plucky music playing) 524 00:32:09,346 --> 00:32:10,764 Dwayne: This is her. 525 00:32:13,808 --> 00:32:15,810 ♪♪ 526 00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:21,691 You drive that thing, that's-- you ripped it in here. 527 00:32:21,733 --> 00:32:23,193 Tonia: Hi, how are you? 528 00:32:23,193 --> 00:32:24,569 Have you ever been here before? 529 00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:27,781 (Tonia speaking) 530 00:32:28,573 --> 00:32:29,866 It's the same. 531 00:32:29,908 --> 00:32:33,203 It even smells like 1960. 532 00:32:33,203 --> 00:32:35,080 (door creaking) 533 00:32:36,831 --> 00:32:38,958 A lot has happened since we last talked. 534 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,794 Ha, yeah. 535 00:32:40,835 --> 00:32:43,463 Dwayne: Do you blame me for Tonka? 536 00:32:44,964 --> 00:32:47,717 No. If I did, I wouldn't be here, obviously. 537 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,720 I, I get a feel for people, and I know people. 538 00:32:50,762 --> 00:32:52,222 (sniffling) 539 00:32:52,222 --> 00:32:55,934 Dwayne: So, in the interest of fairness, 540 00:32:55,975 --> 00:32:57,894 I talked to Eric Goode. 541 00:32:58,978 --> 00:33:03,358 And I said, "Would you be willing to come and meet Tonia?" 542 00:33:04,818 --> 00:33:06,903 He said yes. 543 00:33:06,903 --> 00:33:10,281 So, would you be willing to meet Eric? 544 00:33:13,618 --> 00:33:14,661 (swallows) 545 00:33:16,871 --> 00:33:19,874 (intense music playing) 546 00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:32,178 ♪♪ 547 00:33:37,017 --> 00:33:38,309 (crew member speaking) 548 00:33:39,561 --> 00:33:42,564 -Um... you know, it just... -(music stops) 549 00:33:43,815 --> 00:33:45,358 Really curious what she's gonna do 550 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,985 when she hears I'm here. 551 00:33:48,486 --> 00:33:50,238 'Cause I'm the bad guy in this. 552 00:33:53,366 --> 00:33:56,077 But we like to look at ourselves differently, don't we? 553 00:33:56,411 --> 00:33:57,495 (crew member speaking) 554 00:34:00,498 --> 00:34:02,208 I don't know, we... 555 00:34:04,002 --> 00:34:07,088 like to believe our own truth. 556 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,842 (intense music resumes) 557 00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:14,262 (door opens) 558 00:34:17,474 --> 00:34:19,476 Dwayne: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be here, 559 00:34:19,516 --> 00:34:21,143 but I'm just... 560 00:34:21,186 --> 00:34:22,812 -Eric: Okay. -Okay, alright. 561 00:34:22,853 --> 00:34:24,313 -Eric: Oh, my God. -Dwayne: Tonia... 562 00:34:24,356 --> 00:34:26,315 -Hi. -...this is Eric Goode. 563 00:34:26,358 --> 00:34:28,860 -We have a lot to talk about. -(Tonia laughs) 564 00:34:28,902 --> 00:34:30,820 So, there's so many things I wanna tell you, 565 00:34:30,862 --> 00:34:35,074 but one is, I can relate to what you're going through. 566 00:34:37,034 --> 00:34:39,996 -I hope so. -Eric: I also keep animals. 567 00:34:40,038 --> 00:34:42,248 And I know there's certain animals 568 00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:45,210 that if someone took them away from me, 569 00:34:45,251 --> 00:34:47,545 I would be very, very upset. 570 00:34:48,713 --> 00:34:51,841 And, of course, of course, I never expected this 571 00:34:51,882 --> 00:34:53,510 to end this way. 572 00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:55,844 But when you started talking about putting Tonka down-- 573 00:34:55,887 --> 00:34:58,556 Yeah, but I-- I-I-I never said I w-- I-I was. 574 00:34:58,598 --> 00:35:02,560 You just took the words, but you did not take 575 00:35:02,602 --> 00:35:05,230 the emotion, the feeling of what I would do. 576 00:35:05,271 --> 00:35:08,692 So, you were really never contemplating killing Tonka? 577 00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:09,901 No. 578 00:35:11,528 --> 00:35:14,447 I guess it was smart to say, "I'm gonna kill Tonka, 579 00:35:14,489 --> 00:35:17,575 "because that would just make everyone just think 580 00:35:17,617 --> 00:35:19,452 "I don't have Tonka, and then I can live 581 00:35:19,494 --> 00:35:20,704 happily ever after with Tonka." 582 00:35:20,745 --> 00:35:22,038 Yeah, that was, that was part of it. 583 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,790 Because it got to the point to where 584 00:35:23,832 --> 00:35:25,709 I would've ran to Mexico. 585 00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:27,585 I would've had coyotes get me across this-- 586 00:35:27,627 --> 00:35:29,295 the, the border with Tonka, 587 00:35:29,337 --> 00:35:31,339 and me and Tonka would've lived in Mexico. 588 00:35:32,465 --> 00:35:33,717 The rest of our lives. 589 00:35:33,717 --> 00:35:35,885 And-And I'd just build him a cage there, 590 00:35:35,885 --> 00:35:37,303 and just get me a little veranda, 591 00:35:37,345 --> 00:35:39,973 and get me some Mexicans to help me, and there we go. 592 00:35:41,224 --> 00:35:42,392 Why are you talking to me? 593 00:35:42,434 --> 00:35:44,519 Why are you okay talking with me? 594 00:35:45,603 --> 00:35:47,480 I just want Tonka to come home. 595 00:35:47,522 --> 00:35:49,566 And if this will make it happen 596 00:35:49,607 --> 00:35:51,109 and put a little pressure on PETA 597 00:35:51,151 --> 00:35:55,280 to just let me visit, that's all I care about. 598 00:35:56,573 --> 00:35:58,908 (somber music playing) 599 00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:01,369 'Cause he is my kid. He is my kid. 600 00:36:02,537 --> 00:36:04,914 Even though I didn't naturally bore him, 601 00:36:04,914 --> 00:36:10,420 Tonka is a humanzee-- half human, half chimpanzee. 602 00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:13,548 But his preference is the human side. 603 00:36:16,426 --> 00:36:17,635 (taxidermy deer head thuds) 604 00:36:18,136 --> 00:36:20,221 ♪♪ 605 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:25,643 (music fades out) 606 00:36:27,687 --> 00:36:29,981 After Tonka left, I haven't been down here. 607 00:36:32,567 --> 00:36:33,568 (door creaks) 608 00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:37,489 It's like a mausoleum. 609 00:36:40,033 --> 00:36:41,701 These are all his blankets. 610 00:36:41,743 --> 00:36:44,162 I've not touched 'em. Everything is exact. 611 00:36:45,288 --> 00:36:47,374 As I go past the stairway, 612 00:36:47,415 --> 00:36:50,710 I think I'm gonna see him come up, 'cause he did, 613 00:36:50,752 --> 00:36:52,671 and no Tonka. 614 00:36:54,506 --> 00:36:58,051 Tonka had free access to any room here. 615 00:36:58,093 --> 00:37:01,471 He was not just in that little tiny cage. 616 00:37:01,513 --> 00:37:03,515 He loved to look outside. 617 00:37:04,641 --> 00:37:08,019 Eric: Is there anything that replaces Tonka for you? 618 00:37:09,896 --> 00:37:11,856 Oh, no. 619 00:37:11,898 --> 00:37:13,024 No. 620 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,735 ("I Want A Little Sugar In My Bowl" by Nina Simone plays) 621 00:37:17,028 --> 00:37:22,701 ♪ I want a little sugar in my bowl ♪ 622 00:37:24,911 --> 00:37:30,667 ♪ I want a little sweetness down in my soul ♪ 623 00:37:30,667 --> 00:37:36,715 ♪ I could stand some lovin', oh, so bad ♪ 624 00:37:36,756 --> 00:37:38,216 (goat bleating) 625 00:37:38,258 --> 00:37:42,095 Tonia: How I cope with things is just by ignoring. 626 00:37:42,137 --> 00:37:45,724 ♪ I feel so sad ♪ 627 00:37:45,765 --> 00:37:47,017 I don't talk about it. 628 00:37:47,017 --> 00:37:48,601 I just don't act like it exists. 629 00:37:48,643 --> 00:37:50,437 See what you think of that. 630 00:37:50,478 --> 00:37:52,564 (chomping) 631 00:37:53,857 --> 00:37:57,360 Basically, to compensate for Tonka not being here, 632 00:37:57,402 --> 00:37:59,863 I try to keep busy by getting the zoo prepped. 633 00:38:01,614 --> 00:38:03,908 ♪ What's the matter, daddy? ♪ 634 00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:07,954 ♪ Come on, save my soul ♪ 635 00:38:07,996 --> 00:38:10,707 You just keep your time and space filled 636 00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:13,209 and your mind occupied. 637 00:38:13,209 --> 00:38:18,089 ♪ I ain't foolin', I want some sugar ♪ 638 00:38:18,131 --> 00:38:21,217 ♪ Mm-hmm ♪ 639 00:38:21,259 --> 00:38:23,928 ♪ In my bowl ♪ 640 00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:27,223 Say, "Give me a week," and say, "He'll be my best friend." 641 00:38:27,265 --> 00:38:29,768 (song ends) 642 00:38:32,103 --> 00:38:34,522 (people chattering) 643 00:38:41,446 --> 00:38:43,948 (solemn piano music playing) 644 00:38:51,998 --> 00:38:55,794 Pam: I think my golden years have turned into copper. 645 00:38:57,295 --> 00:39:00,965 Because I've lost my child. 646 00:39:07,138 --> 00:39:10,308 Chance was jumping around, being a chimp. 647 00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:13,144 And all of a sudden, he just keeled over. 648 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,773 -Fifteen. -Fifteen? 649 00:39:16,815 --> 00:39:18,441 -Just a kid, you know? -Just a kid. 650 00:39:18,483 --> 00:39:20,193 -Mm. -I think something 651 00:39:20,235 --> 00:39:21,945 -in his brain happened. -Mm-hm. 652 00:39:21,986 --> 00:39:24,322 I'm sorry for your loss. 653 00:39:24,364 --> 00:39:26,825 (indistinct chatter) 654 00:39:28,368 --> 00:39:31,454 Pam: Let me tell you, when we got Chance, 655 00:39:31,496 --> 00:39:35,792 it was his last chance to have a permanent home, 656 00:39:35,792 --> 00:39:39,796 and my last chance to have a baby at my age. 657 00:39:39,838 --> 00:39:43,883 And God bless God for giving it to me. 658 00:39:43,925 --> 00:39:46,428 (applause) 659 00:39:47,887 --> 00:39:50,515 And I love you all. Thank you all 660 00:39:50,557 --> 00:39:53,852 for honoring my son. (laughing) 661 00:39:54,769 --> 00:39:56,354 ♪♪ 662 00:39:57,522 --> 00:39:59,190 This is Chance. 663 00:40:00,483 --> 00:40:03,028 He just said "hello" in chimpanzee. 664 00:40:03,069 --> 00:40:05,071 Isn't that sweet? Can you wave to everyone? 665 00:40:05,113 --> 00:40:06,990 Put your hand up and wave. 666 00:40:07,032 --> 00:40:09,743 -(table rattling) -(people laughing) 667 00:40:09,784 --> 00:40:13,163 I'm forever grateful for having him 668 00:40:13,204 --> 00:40:15,915 for the 15 years that I had him. 669 00:40:15,957 --> 00:40:19,336 You give me that ball. You give me that ball! 670 00:40:19,377 --> 00:40:21,212 You better give me that ball. 671 00:40:21,254 --> 00:40:24,090 I don't care if I empty my banking account, 672 00:40:24,132 --> 00:40:27,844 sell my property, sell my car. 673 00:40:27,844 --> 00:40:29,471 I'd do it again. 674 00:40:30,305 --> 00:40:32,265 audience: Aww. 675 00:40:33,099 --> 00:40:34,893 Pam: I still have three chimps. 676 00:40:34,934 --> 00:40:36,436 (chain link fence rattling) 677 00:40:36,478 --> 00:40:38,897 Ricky, stop. 678 00:40:38,938 --> 00:40:40,857 They are my whole life. 679 00:40:40,899 --> 00:40:44,235 (solemn piano music continues) 680 00:40:44,277 --> 00:40:47,155 But my heart is broken. 681 00:40:48,406 --> 00:40:51,076 So, if anybody has a baby out there 682 00:40:51,117 --> 00:40:54,371 that they need to place where it'll have a forever home 683 00:40:54,412 --> 00:40:58,667 and live like a millionaire... (laughing) 684 00:40:59,751 --> 00:41:03,380 ...to bring him to my house, okay? 685 00:41:03,421 --> 00:41:06,424 -(chain link fence rattling) -(chimps huffing) 686 00:41:15,433 --> 00:41:17,060 (music fades out) 687 00:41:17,102 --> 00:41:18,395 -(phone ringing) -Oh, here she is. 688 00:41:18,436 --> 00:41:19,771 Here she is, hold on. 689 00:41:19,813 --> 00:41:22,399 Hey, Tonia. What's happening? 690 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,775 Tonia (on phone): You gotta realize, 691 00:41:23,817 --> 00:41:25,735 I got a broken foot. (chuckles) 692 00:41:25,777 --> 00:41:27,987 So, anything we do, I have to have my-- 693 00:41:28,029 --> 00:41:29,572 Alright, I'm here. I pulled in. 694 00:41:29,614 --> 00:41:31,783 -Okay, I'll see you in a second. -Tonia: Okay. Okay, bye. 695 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,419 Eric: How did you hurt your foot? 696 00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:45,255 (laughing) That's... 697 00:41:45,255 --> 00:41:49,092 that's another story. Um, it is what it is. 698 00:41:49,134 --> 00:41:51,970 (cows mooing) 699 00:41:52,012 --> 00:41:54,806 There's so much going on with PETA. 700 00:41:58,226 --> 00:42:01,521 Last Monday, there was a ruling 701 00:42:01,563 --> 00:42:05,483 that stated that I had to, uh, pay PETA 702 00:42:05,525 --> 00:42:09,779 $225,000 in attorney fees. 703 00:42:09,821 --> 00:42:12,282 -Eric: Do you have money? -No. (scoffs) 704 00:42:12,323 --> 00:42:14,451 Not at this point, no. 705 00:42:14,492 --> 00:42:17,370 Um, it's been dumped into the zoo over here. 706 00:42:17,412 --> 00:42:20,957 And addition to that, the brokering market 707 00:42:20,999 --> 00:42:23,209 is pretty low right now. 708 00:42:23,251 --> 00:42:25,795 Plus, I can't drive. I can't go pick up animals. 709 00:42:25,837 --> 00:42:27,672 I can't do anything. 710 00:42:29,007 --> 00:42:31,092 (curious music playing) 711 00:42:38,224 --> 00:42:40,810 I'm always used to hustling, and, you know, 712 00:42:40,852 --> 00:42:42,729 being able to produce money every week. 713 00:42:42,771 --> 00:42:44,647 And since it hasn't been happening, 714 00:42:44,689 --> 00:42:48,109 it's been stagnated, it's really had me very, very concerned. 715 00:42:52,864 --> 00:42:55,492 (truck beeping) 716 00:42:55,533 --> 00:42:57,660 The zoo's gotta be successful. 717 00:42:57,702 --> 00:43:00,497 I have a lot of anxiety behind it. 718 00:43:00,538 --> 00:43:02,540 ♪♪ 719 00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:07,212 (power tools whirring) 720 00:43:09,047 --> 00:43:10,674 -caller 1: Hi, Tonia. -caller 2: Hey, Tonia. 721 00:43:10,715 --> 00:43:12,342 -This is Joanie. -caller 3: Hi, this is Meg 722 00:43:12,384 --> 00:43:14,177 -with Americollect. -caller 4: This is Beth. 723 00:43:14,219 --> 00:43:16,554 -I am a debt collector. -Meg: I'm a debt collector. 724 00:43:16,596 --> 00:43:18,223 This is an attempt to collect a debt. 725 00:43:18,264 --> 00:43:19,683 Beth: And this is an attempt to collect a debt. 726 00:43:19,724 --> 00:43:21,893 Meg: I'm in the office Monday through Friday. 727 00:43:21,935 --> 00:43:23,061 Beth: From 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. 728 00:43:23,103 --> 00:43:24,396 caller 1: Again, I'm a debt collector. 729 00:43:24,437 --> 00:43:25,897 Meg: Thank you so much, and have a great day. 730 00:43:25,939 --> 00:43:27,107 Joanie: Thanks, and have a great day. 731 00:43:27,148 --> 00:43:29,192 Beth: Thanks, and have a great day. 732 00:43:29,234 --> 00:43:31,236 (people chattering) 733 00:43:31,277 --> 00:43:33,446 (animal noises) 734 00:43:33,488 --> 00:43:37,534 Tonia: Do I think that as soon as they find out about the zoo, 735 00:43:37,575 --> 00:43:40,370 Pee-wee Herman and Brittany Peet 736 00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:42,997 will be at the doors? Oh, yeah. 737 00:43:44,332 --> 00:43:46,710 Once they get ahold of somebody, 738 00:43:46,751 --> 00:43:49,879 they don't turn 'em loose until basically they're killed. 739 00:43:49,921 --> 00:43:51,589 (monkey squeaking, chittering) 740 00:43:51,631 --> 00:43:53,883 Yeah, you get to hold a monkey. 741 00:43:53,925 --> 00:43:56,761 I'm gonna let somebody help me pick names for 'em. 742 00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:02,142 Brittany: I think Tonia's zoo is all about serving 743 00:44:02,183 --> 00:44:07,230 as a marketing tool for her exotic animal sale business. 744 00:44:07,272 --> 00:44:08,940 People have no clue. Most people never get 745 00:44:08,982 --> 00:44:11,735 to hold a baby, ever. 746 00:44:11,735 --> 00:44:16,531 It's designed to drive up the demand for pet primates. 747 00:44:17,699 --> 00:44:20,326 And as long as Tonia Haddix 748 00:44:20,368 --> 00:44:22,912 continues abusing and exploiting animals, 749 00:44:22,954 --> 00:44:26,750 PETA will continue going after her. 750 00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:28,293 Tonia: So, there'll always be baby monkeys, 751 00:44:28,335 --> 00:44:30,128 baby wallabies, baby everything, 752 00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:32,255 we'll always have a baby of different types. 753 00:44:32,255 --> 00:44:34,341 So, just 'cause you had a baby this week 754 00:44:34,382 --> 00:44:36,134 doesn't mean it will be the same baby. 755 00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:40,430 Eric: A quarter-million dollars is a lot of money. 756 00:44:40,472 --> 00:44:45,352 Is it overkill to expect Tonia to pay that judgment? 757 00:44:45,393 --> 00:44:48,188 This isn't about Tonia Haddix anymore. 758 00:44:48,229 --> 00:44:50,482 This is about PETA's mission. 759 00:44:51,483 --> 00:44:55,528 That money will go back into helping more animals. 760 00:44:55,570 --> 00:45:01,326 It's never PETA's intent to make anyone insolvent. 761 00:45:02,369 --> 00:45:04,954 We don't want Tonia to be out on the street. 762 00:45:04,954 --> 00:45:07,749 We want her out of the animal exploitation business. 763 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,502 (birds chirping) 764 00:45:13,755 --> 00:45:16,966 Tonia: I got an email from Jared Goodman. 765 00:45:16,966 --> 00:45:20,970 "I write," uh, "for this purpose of a potential alternative 766 00:45:21,012 --> 00:45:23,223 "in resolution. 767 00:45:23,264 --> 00:45:26,309 "PETA can forgo collections if Miss Haddix 768 00:45:26,351 --> 00:45:29,145 "would agree to go out of the animal dealing 769 00:45:29,187 --> 00:45:31,981 and exhibition business." 770 00:45:32,023 --> 00:45:34,818 I cannot breed, sell, adopt, trade, 771 00:45:34,859 --> 00:45:38,363 negotiate, transport any kind of animal, 772 00:45:38,405 --> 00:45:40,240 not just exotics. 773 00:45:41,241 --> 00:45:43,243 (laughing) 774 00:45:44,703 --> 00:45:47,747 Sorry. I'm sorry, this is, uh-- 775 00:45:47,789 --> 00:45:49,499 That-That's fucked up. 776 00:45:49,541 --> 00:45:52,502 That is so fucked up and ridiculous. 777 00:45:52,544 --> 00:45:54,170 No. No, no, no, no. 778 00:45:54,212 --> 00:45:57,507 Now, I'm mad. Mad, mad, mad. 779 00:45:57,549 --> 00:45:58,800 That's-- No. 780 00:46:05,682 --> 00:46:07,726 There's only one thing that they could give me 781 00:46:07,767 --> 00:46:10,395 that would get me to stand down, 782 00:46:10,437 --> 00:46:12,063 and that's Tonka. 783 00:46:14,232 --> 00:46:16,109 If they would give me my kid back, 784 00:46:16,151 --> 00:46:18,236 I would give 'em everything they want. 785 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,201 But the realization just actually set in 786 00:46:25,243 --> 00:46:29,581 for the first time that Tonka probably won't come home. 787 00:46:30,999 --> 00:46:34,919 ("She" by Jelly Roll plays faintly on stereo) 788 00:46:35,503 --> 00:46:37,047 -(Tonia singing along) -♪ Before the cold ♪ 789 00:46:37,088 --> 00:46:39,257 ♪ November rain ♪ 790 00:46:42,469 --> 00:46:45,764 ♪ If you only knew her smile ♪ 791 00:46:48,975 --> 00:46:52,103 ♪ Never know that she's in pain ♪ 792 00:46:54,147 --> 00:46:57,484 ♪ Nobody ever saw it comin' ♪ 793 00:46:57,525 --> 00:47:00,445 ♪ It started with a little pill ♪ 794 00:47:00,487 --> 00:47:03,740 ♪ One thing led to another ♪ 795 00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:07,077 ♪ Since then, it's all been downhill ♪ 796 00:47:07,118 --> 00:47:10,622 ♪ She was the life of the party ♪ 797 00:47:10,663 --> 00:47:14,626 ♪ She was the one everybody use to want... ♪ 798 00:47:14,668 --> 00:47:17,295 I love Tonka. He-He's my whole heart. 799 00:47:17,337 --> 00:47:20,590 He's my whole life. I would give up everything. 800 00:47:20,590 --> 00:47:22,425 I'd give up my marriage, I'd give up anything 801 00:47:22,425 --> 00:47:24,928 if they would let me have Tonka. 802 00:47:24,928 --> 00:47:27,263 And if they would just let me visit, 803 00:47:27,305 --> 00:47:30,433 all I'd have to do is say, "Let's go home, boy." 804 00:47:30,433 --> 00:47:33,853 ♪ She's afraid of comin' down ♪ 805 00:47:33,895 --> 00:47:35,897 (music continues) 806 00:47:40,694 --> 00:47:44,489 Tonka would say, "Mom, how come I'm not at home? 807 00:47:44,531 --> 00:47:46,866 What the hell happened here?" 808 00:47:46,908 --> 00:47:48,910 ♪♪ 809 00:47:56,835 --> 00:48:00,046 ♪ She's afraid of comin' down ♪ 810 00:48:00,088 --> 00:48:02,090 (song ends) 811 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:16,396 I'm feeling, um... sort of nervous. 812 00:48:16,438 --> 00:48:18,440 There's a little churning in the stomach. 813 00:48:19,774 --> 00:48:22,569 So many years of... 814 00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:24,988 hoping I would see him again, 815 00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:27,115 and in a place like this as well. 816 00:48:27,824 --> 00:48:28,992 Um, 817 00:48:29,034 --> 00:48:30,827 so, it's quite-- yeah, it's quite a lot. 818 00:48:30,869 --> 00:48:36,374 Feels like this culmination of a really long odyssey. 819 00:48:39,586 --> 00:48:41,379 (gate rattles) 820 00:48:45,633 --> 00:48:47,177 Hello? 821 00:48:47,177 --> 00:48:49,512 -Hello? -(intercom beeping) 822 00:48:49,554 --> 00:48:50,930 Oh, it's ringing. 823 00:48:52,724 --> 00:48:53,850 -Hello. -speaker: Save the Chimps. 824 00:48:53,892 --> 00:48:55,060 -How can I help you? -Hello. 825 00:48:55,101 --> 00:48:56,227 (clearing throat) It's Alan Cumming 826 00:48:56,269 --> 00:48:58,521 and, uh, uh, some filmy people. 827 00:48:58,563 --> 00:49:00,565 ♪♪ 828 00:49:02,317 --> 00:49:06,946 keeper: So, we're on 150 acres, 12 islands, 829 00:49:06,988 --> 00:49:10,742 each with, uh, large social groups. 830 00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:16,748 Thirteen to 23 chimps in each of the social groups. 831 00:49:19,209 --> 00:49:22,253 This is Tonka's island here on the right. 832 00:49:22,295 --> 00:49:24,422 (chimps screeching) 833 00:49:27,217 --> 00:49:29,886 Alan Cumming: Actually knowing that he's here is... 834 00:49:29,928 --> 00:49:31,471 just sort of... 835 00:49:33,014 --> 00:49:34,307 Oh, look. 836 00:49:43,191 --> 00:49:45,819 Wow. I recognize him. 837 00:49:52,909 --> 00:49:54,953 (gentle music playing) 838 00:50:00,333 --> 00:50:01,334 (sniffles) 839 00:50:03,962 --> 00:50:05,296 (chimp hooting) 840 00:50:11,636 --> 00:50:13,638 ♪♪ 841 00:50:14,681 --> 00:50:18,977 It's easy to forget how insane this whole thing was, 842 00:50:19,019 --> 00:50:23,023 like, all the years of court cases and lies. 843 00:50:23,064 --> 00:50:25,817 And, I mean, it was just insane. 844 00:50:28,653 --> 00:50:31,031 Finally, it was sort of calm 845 00:50:31,072 --> 00:50:33,908 for the first time in this whole story. 846 00:50:35,827 --> 00:50:38,371 ♪♪ 847 00:50:41,166 --> 00:50:45,170 I really hope Tonia might think that too. 848 00:50:45,211 --> 00:50:50,258 I really hope that she will watch this and will hopefully... 849 00:50:52,635 --> 00:50:53,803 I-I-- 850 00:50:53,845 --> 00:50:55,638 I hope she might understand. Hope-- I might-- 851 00:50:55,638 --> 00:50:58,058 Yeah, I really hope she might be at peace with this, 852 00:50:58,099 --> 00:50:59,517 with watching this. 853 00:51:00,685 --> 00:51:02,687 (gentle music continues) 854 00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:09,361 (chimp hooting softly) 855 00:51:16,409 --> 00:51:17,702 (music fades out) 856 00:51:17,744 --> 00:51:20,205 -(doorbell ringtone) -Siri: Tonia Haddix. 857 00:51:20,872 --> 00:51:22,791 (doorbell ringtone) 858 00:51:23,875 --> 00:51:25,418 -Dwayne: Yo. -Tonia (on phone): I fucked up. 859 00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:28,004 I admit that I did something stupid. 860 00:51:28,046 --> 00:51:29,673 Dwayne: Where, where are you? What's going on? 861 00:51:29,714 --> 00:51:31,216 Tonia: It's gonna be national headlines, 862 00:51:31,257 --> 00:51:33,677 'cause with my name on a chimp situation, 863 00:51:33,718 --> 00:51:35,345 you know what that's gonna bring. 864 00:51:35,387 --> 00:51:36,763 I mean, come on. 865 00:51:36,805 --> 00:51:38,890 Oh, you don't even frickin' know. 866 00:51:38,932 --> 00:51:41,184 -(Tonia continues indistinctly) -(tense music playing) 867 00:51:41,184 --> 00:51:44,187 Two days ago, I get a call from Tonia 868 00:51:44,229 --> 00:51:46,439 telling me that she went to visit a friend of hers 869 00:51:46,481 --> 00:51:47,774 who had a chimp. 870 00:51:47,816 --> 00:51:50,026 (tense music continues) 871 00:51:50,026 --> 00:51:54,739 And she got in the enclosure with an adult male chimp. 872 00:51:59,911 --> 00:52:02,414 Tonia: He was so sweet through the cage. 873 00:52:02,455 --> 00:52:04,040 But as soon as I went in there, 874 00:52:04,082 --> 00:52:07,043 I mean, I didn't even get a chance to sit down. 875 00:52:07,085 --> 00:52:08,878 He was mauling me. 876 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,839 It was kinda like Charla Nash. 877 00:52:14,342 --> 00:52:16,219 I have a couple questions. (chuckles) 878 00:52:16,261 --> 00:52:17,887 -Eric: Okay. -Can you see that bandage 879 00:52:17,929 --> 00:52:19,556 on my ear? 880 00:52:19,597 --> 00:52:20,640 (Eric speaking) 881 00:52:20,682 --> 00:52:22,767 Okay, 'cause it's pretty big, so. 882 00:52:22,809 --> 00:52:24,394 And it's white, so, you know, 883 00:52:24,436 --> 00:52:26,604 it pretty much sticks out pretty hard. 884 00:52:27,772 --> 00:52:28,940 (Eric speaking) 885 00:52:28,982 --> 00:52:30,734 No. (laughing) 886 00:52:30,775 --> 00:52:34,654 No. No. That's-- No. 887 00:52:34,696 --> 00:52:37,407 Everything's fine. It is, it's great. 888 00:52:37,449 --> 00:52:38,700 Great, great, great. 889 00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:42,370 Great. 890 00:52:45,498 --> 00:52:49,753 I think I startled him, and I think he just, uh, 891 00:52:49,794 --> 00:52:52,088 kinda lost it a little bit. (chuckles) 892 00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:54,341 And I just turned away from him 893 00:52:54,382 --> 00:52:57,177 because I didn't want my face to be attacked 894 00:52:57,218 --> 00:52:59,262 because he got my finger. 895 00:52:59,262 --> 00:53:00,347 (ominous music playing) 896 00:53:01,598 --> 00:53:03,475 That's how my arm got dislocated. 897 00:53:03,516 --> 00:53:05,226 It just got pulled out of socket. 898 00:53:06,978 --> 00:53:08,980 (Eric speaking) 899 00:53:09,022 --> 00:53:11,775 Um, I got 'em on my legs, I got one right here. 900 00:53:11,816 --> 00:53:14,277 I ha-- Just a little bit on my legs, 901 00:53:14,277 --> 00:53:16,863 and mainly this hand, and that's it. 902 00:53:16,905 --> 00:53:18,573 And the ear, and that's it. 903 00:53:20,658 --> 00:53:22,369 ♪♪ 904 00:53:23,244 --> 00:53:26,247 He took a tip of the ear off. Just a piece. 905 00:53:29,209 --> 00:53:34,130 And so, um, once the owner got him to retort, 906 00:53:34,172 --> 00:53:36,966 I just had to leave. I just had to get out of there, 907 00:53:37,008 --> 00:53:39,761 and I had to go to the hospital. (chuckles) 908 00:53:40,011 --> 00:53:41,096 (Eric speaking) 909 00:53:42,555 --> 00:53:45,183 Well, I wanted my ear to be salvaged, 910 00:53:45,225 --> 00:53:47,727 and so I had to go to the hospital. 911 00:53:49,896 --> 00:53:50,939 So, I did. 912 00:53:54,484 --> 00:53:56,236 Every time I go to sleep, I have nightmares 913 00:53:56,277 --> 00:53:57,862 over the situation. 914 00:54:03,243 --> 00:54:08,581 But ask me today if I would own a chimp 915 00:54:08,623 --> 00:54:12,711 or if I'd own a baboon, of if I'd own, um, a capuchin, 916 00:54:12,752 --> 00:54:14,671 or if I'd own any kind of primate 917 00:54:14,713 --> 00:54:16,881 that could potentially do that to me. 918 00:54:16,923 --> 00:54:18,508 100%, yes. 919 00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:20,427 ♪♪ 920 00:54:21,928 --> 00:54:24,889 In fact, I came up with a new idea. 921 00:54:24,931 --> 00:54:26,766 There's a new island for sale here, 922 00:54:26,808 --> 00:54:30,186 and it's a very famous island here at the lake. 923 00:54:30,228 --> 00:54:33,606 I want to sell the zoo and buy that island. 924 00:54:35,650 --> 00:54:38,862 I want to get some chimps, or get some orangutans, 925 00:54:38,903 --> 00:54:42,574 or I'd take a gorilla, even, and just let 'em be free. 926 00:54:45,326 --> 00:54:47,370 I'm gonna do the same thing Save the Chimps does, 927 00:54:47,412 --> 00:54:50,582 except I'm gonna live with them, among them. 928 00:54:54,461 --> 00:54:56,755 We're all gonna cohabitate together. 929 00:54:58,673 --> 00:55:00,383 You know, if they wanna do art, 930 00:55:00,425 --> 00:55:03,053 or if they wanna come into the house and eat lunch, 931 00:55:03,094 --> 00:55:04,763 they can come in the house and eat lunch. 932 00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:10,560 I would name it "Tonka Safari". 933 00:55:10,602 --> 00:55:13,021 I want to dedicate anything to him. 934 00:55:15,648 --> 00:55:19,819 I just want to live in-- I don't know, just with chimps. 935 00:55:19,861 --> 00:55:22,280 And then that's it. End of story. 936 00:55:26,451 --> 00:55:27,827 ♪♪ 937 00:55:44,219 --> 00:55:47,138 (solemn music playing) 938 00:56:12,247 --> 00:56:15,166 ♪♪ 939 00:57:15,268 --> 00:57:17,270 (music fades out)