1 00:00:03,672 --> 00:00:05,966 [commentator 1] Coast to coast and around the world. 2 00:00:05,966 --> 00:00:08,177 It is Super Bowl LVII. 3 00:00:08,677 --> 00:00:09,845 [commentator 2] The first time, 4 00:00:09,845 --> 00:00:13,891 two African American quarterbacks against each other in a Super Bowl. 5 00:00:15,017 --> 00:00:15,851 [Vick] History. 6 00:00:17,311 --> 00:00:21,064 Sometimes you don't realize you're living through it as it's happening. 7 00:00:22,649 --> 00:00:25,444 Other times, it's obvious. 8 00:00:26,361 --> 00:00:27,821 Super Bowl LVII. 9 00:00:28,322 --> 00:00:30,866 For the first time, two Black quarterbacks faced off 10 00:00:30,866 --> 00:00:32,618 on the biggest stage in sports. 11 00:00:33,452 --> 00:00:36,330 That moment hit me personally. 12 00:00:39,041 --> 00:00:43,796 Some might remember me most as a quarterback who played in the NFL 13 00:00:43,796 --> 00:00:45,422 who left it all on the field. 14 00:00:46,548 --> 00:00:49,468 Others as a man who made mistakes, 15 00:00:51,011 --> 00:00:54,681 who knows firsthand that evolution can be hard. 16 00:00:55,516 --> 00:00:59,186 Knowing the road was tough for those who came before me. 17 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:05,818 As I watched that game, I asked myself, how did we get here? 18 00:01:07,361 --> 00:01:09,112 I knew I had to find out. 19 00:01:14,034 --> 00:01:16,537 [reporter 1] The Negro is proud of the advancement his race is making. 20 00:01:16,537 --> 00:01:18,789 [commentator 1] That colored boy is sure getting under their skin. 21 00:01:18,789 --> 00:01:20,916 {\an8}[commentator 2] Kenny Washington's getting the ball, fakes the pass. 22 00:01:20,916 --> 00:01:23,043 {\an8}- He's going to run with it. - [commentator 3] That's still a long run! 23 00:01:23,043 --> 00:01:25,379 [reporter 2] Government was intended to be for the White man. 24 00:01:25,379 --> 00:01:26,922 [Malcolm X] We didn't land on Plymouth Rock. 25 00:01:26,922 --> 00:01:28,507 The rock was landed on us. 26 00:01:28,507 --> 00:01:31,969 [reporter 3] Coaches seem to believe that Blacks are inferior thinkers. 27 00:01:31,969 --> 00:01:33,846 [George Wallace] ...and segregation forever. 28 00:01:33,846 --> 00:01:35,180 I am a revolutionary. 29 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:37,099 [commentator 4] Briscoe for the touchdown. 30 00:01:37,099 --> 00:01:38,642 [Jimmy Snyder] The Black is a better athlete 31 00:01:38,642 --> 00:01:40,686 because he's been bred to be that way. 32 00:01:40,686 --> 00:01:42,604 [reporter 4] I hope Doug Williams puts to bed 33 00:01:42,604 --> 00:01:45,983 about the Black athlete once and for all in professional football. 34 00:01:45,983 --> 00:01:48,193 [Al Campanis] How many quarterbacks do you have that are Black? 35 00:01:48,193 --> 00:01:49,862 They may not have the necessities... 36 00:01:49,862 --> 00:01:51,572 [commentator 5] Falcons select Michael Vick. 37 00:01:51,572 --> 00:01:54,116 {\an8}[Obama] There is not a Black America and a White America. 38 00:01:54,116 --> 00:01:56,577 {\an8}- There's the United States of America. - [reporter 5] An unarmed African American... 39 00:01:56,577 --> 00:01:57,911 [reporter 6] There is an awakening... 40 00:01:57,911 --> 00:02:00,581 [reporter 7] The emergence of the Black quarterback is not a myth. 41 00:02:00,581 --> 00:02:03,083 [commentator 6] And Patrick Mahomes's revolution continues. 42 00:02:10,007 --> 00:02:11,091 [Vick] This story, 43 00:02:11,884 --> 00:02:14,845 I've experienced it up close. 44 00:02:14,845 --> 00:02:19,266 With the, uh, first selection, the Atlanta Falcons select Michael Vick. 45 00:02:19,266 --> 00:02:20,893 - [crowd cheers] - [Tagliabue] Quarterback. 46 00:02:21,852 --> 00:02:24,438 {\an8}[Vick] But to really understand where we came from, 47 00:02:24,438 --> 00:02:26,440 I needed to take a journey... 48 00:02:28,525 --> 00:02:29,735 across America... 49 00:02:32,529 --> 00:02:33,780 across generations... 50 00:02:35,115 --> 00:02:37,326 to learn about the ones who missed their chance. 51 00:02:37,826 --> 00:02:39,369 The ones who kept pushing 52 00:02:39,953 --> 00:02:41,371 and the ones who broke through. 53 00:02:43,165 --> 00:02:45,792 Learning a little about myself along the way. 54 00:02:51,465 --> 00:02:54,259 Philadelphia is the perfect place to start. 55 00:02:55,928 --> 00:02:57,638 Home of the Eagles. 56 00:02:58,931 --> 00:03:01,308 Home of so many great Black quarterbacks. 57 00:03:04,227 --> 00:03:06,813 [Vick] Looking good. Looking good as always. 58 00:03:09,358 --> 00:03:11,652 Jalen, man, here in Philadelphia, 59 00:03:11,652 --> 00:03:13,403 Black quarterbacks like Rodney Peete, 60 00:03:13,403 --> 00:03:16,573 Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, myself, 61 00:03:17,074 --> 00:03:19,159 you joined the ranks of some great ones. 62 00:03:19,660 --> 00:03:23,622 What's the feeling of responsibility you feel now continuing to move forward? 63 00:03:23,622 --> 00:03:26,625 {\an8}You don't understand the-the amount of times where I could be working out 64 00:03:26,625 --> 00:03:30,963 and I turn on a highlight video of Randall, yourself, McNabb. 65 00:03:30,963 --> 00:03:34,758 I never get too far ahead of myself, just focus on getting better every day. 66 00:03:34,758 --> 00:03:37,260 {\an8}And I truly feel like if I-- if I continue 67 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:40,222 {\an8}to just try to be the best that I can be, it'll look great in the end. 68 00:03:40,222 --> 00:03:43,141 {\an8}Turn this **** up! Let's ******* go! 69 00:03:43,141 --> 00:03:45,310 [reporter 1] History at Super Bowl LVII. 70 00:03:45,310 --> 00:03:46,728 For the first time ever, 71 00:03:46,728 --> 00:03:49,272 two Black quarterbacks will compete against each other. 72 00:03:49,898 --> 00:03:52,609 I know I was that kid that-- that turned on the TV 73 00:03:52,609 --> 00:03:55,737 and I-- I saw the position being played a certain way. 74 00:03:55,737 --> 00:03:58,240 You turn that same TV on now in a new time, 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,410 you got the game being played a totally different way. 76 00:04:01,410 --> 00:04:05,122 And that's a testament to yourself, the guys that have come before you, 77 00:04:05,122 --> 00:04:06,498 guys that have come before me 78 00:04:07,207 --> 00:04:10,002 and obviously the guys that are playing right now. 79 00:04:10,002 --> 00:04:11,920 So being able to play in the Super Bowl, 80 00:04:12,504 --> 00:04:15,590 it really just made history obviously bigger than the game, but for the culture. 81 00:04:15,590 --> 00:04:16,633 Right. 82 00:04:16,633 --> 00:04:18,885 Yeah, that's cool. And it-it really sets a new precedent 83 00:04:18,885 --> 00:04:21,513 for-for what kids can look forward to and can expect. 84 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,814 Jalen, when you hear names like Doug Williams, Warren Moon, Shack Harris, 85 00:04:31,356 --> 00:04:33,483 guys who paved the way, what comes to mind? 86 00:04:34,026 --> 00:04:38,030 They opened these doors for us to come through and be able to do what we do. 87 00:04:38,030 --> 00:04:39,448 Yeah. That's a huge legacy. 88 00:04:39,448 --> 00:04:42,868 Those guys went through a lot. I know you had an issue at the Combine. 89 00:04:43,493 --> 00:04:45,245 [reporter 2] Jalen, I know you're a career quarterback, 90 00:04:45,245 --> 00:04:47,330 would you be willing to start your career 91 00:04:47,330 --> 00:04:49,207 in a role similar to Taysom Hill? 92 00:04:49,207 --> 00:04:50,751 They would ask if I was open to it. 93 00:04:50,751 --> 00:04:53,045 And I respectfully said, you know, "I'm a team-first guy. 94 00:04:53,045 --> 00:04:55,047 I always have been and I always will be, 95 00:04:55,047 --> 00:04:56,840 - but I'm a quarterback." - Yeah. It'd be a mistake. 96 00:04:57,549 --> 00:05:01,261 [Hurts] The-The stigmas that are placed on us and that one may place on you 97 00:05:01,261 --> 00:05:03,180 - and trying to put you in a box. - Right. 98 00:05:03,180 --> 00:05:06,641 I always worked to allow my play to do the talking. 99 00:05:06,641 --> 00:05:08,643 [crowd cheers] 100 00:05:08,643 --> 00:05:10,687 - [commentator 1] Hurts... - [commentator 2] Going deep. 101 00:05:10,687 --> 00:05:12,481 [commentator 1] Touchdown! Hurts! 102 00:05:12,481 --> 00:05:15,067 - He is in for the touchdown! - [commentator 2 laughs] 103 00:05:15,067 --> 00:05:17,694 You are part of this next generation, carrying the torch. 104 00:05:17,694 --> 00:05:21,698 What responsibilities do you feel like you have for the next generation 105 00:05:21,698 --> 00:05:24,618 who gonna be watching you and idolizing you as time goes on? 106 00:05:24,618 --> 00:05:27,704 [Hurts] I just want to give the game everything it deserves. 107 00:05:27,704 --> 00:05:32,292 For anyone that follows me, I just want them to know that it's-it's not easy, 108 00:05:32,292 --> 00:05:35,087 and it comes with a certain type of discipline and determination 109 00:05:35,087 --> 00:05:38,048 and ultimately a standard for yourself and how you want to do it. 110 00:05:38,048 --> 00:05:39,674 And that's all I strive for every day. 111 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:46,348 [Vick] What's good, baby? 112 00:05:47,057 --> 00:05:49,601 - What's up, Vinny Curry? - What's up, baby? What's going on? 113 00:05:49,601 --> 00:05:52,395 - Hey, you! Bro, bro, and bro. - [laughs] 114 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:54,856 - [Vick] What's up? How you doing? - How's it going? How are you doing? 115 00:05:54,856 --> 00:05:57,234 [Vick] I'm doing a story on the evolution of the Black quarterback. 116 00:05:57,234 --> 00:05:59,945 [Goodell] The Super Bowl last year. Definitely a big moment in our history. 117 00:05:59,945 --> 00:06:01,363 [Vick] Yeah. We go way back 118 00:06:01,363 --> 00:06:04,366 and you stood on the table for me when you didn't have to. 119 00:06:04,366 --> 00:06:05,826 I thought you earned it. 120 00:06:05,826 --> 00:06:09,079 You said, "I made a mistake." You paid a heavy price for it. 121 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:11,164 And more importantly, you went on another level and said, 122 00:06:11,164 --> 00:06:13,792 "I'm gonna make sure others don't make a similar mistake." 123 00:06:13,792 --> 00:06:15,293 - What are you playing? - Quarterback. 124 00:06:15,293 --> 00:06:16,962 [Vick] Hey, Quarterback, keep holding it down. 125 00:06:16,962 --> 00:06:18,380 - [Goodell] Love you, man. - Love you too. 126 00:06:20,132 --> 00:06:22,801 [Vick] Philly will always be a special place to me. 127 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:25,846 That's where I got a second chance to show what I could do. 128 00:06:27,013 --> 00:06:29,307 And that's really the story of the Black quarterback. 129 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:33,562 Someone gets a chance and that changes everything. 130 00:06:34,688 --> 00:06:40,110 {\an8}But to understand how we got here, we have to take it back to the beginning. 131 00:06:52,455 --> 00:06:57,169 [Dr. Todd Boyd] You know, 1920, the time at which the NFL begins, 132 00:06:57,169 --> 00:06:59,921 is a very different time in American history. 133 00:06:59,921 --> 00:07:04,009 We're only 60 years removed from slavery. That's not that much time. 134 00:07:05,677 --> 00:07:09,222 Segregation is legal and Black people are marginalized. 135 00:07:09,222 --> 00:07:12,309 This was a long time ago, very different than the way we live now. 136 00:07:12,309 --> 00:07:15,854 And I think the Black quarterback is part of that discussion 137 00:07:15,854 --> 00:07:22,027 {\an8}as we move forward historically and come to understand how society functioned 138 00:07:22,027 --> 00:07:26,114 and how a position on a football field 139 00:07:26,114 --> 00:07:29,492 would contain so much symbolism 140 00:07:29,492 --> 00:07:33,622 as it connected with issues of race in our society. 141 00:07:34,289 --> 00:07:36,625 [Wyche] In 1920, it was all about college football. 142 00:07:36,625 --> 00:07:38,376 {\an8}It was the Ivy League schools. 143 00:07:38,376 --> 00:07:40,462 {\an8}It was the military academies. 144 00:07:40,462 --> 00:07:41,546 {\an8}Notre Dame. 145 00:07:41,546 --> 00:07:45,008 {\an8}Getting the college football stars into the NFL, it was hugely important. 146 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,680 {\an8}Fritz Pollard was an all-star college football player. 147 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,766 Went to Brown University 148 00:07:52,766 --> 00:07:57,896 at a time when African Americans didn't go to college as much. 149 00:07:58,563 --> 00:08:02,525 And as the league was trying to be taken seriously, 150 00:08:02,525 --> 00:08:05,862 they needed players who fans knew 151 00:08:05,862 --> 00:08:11,201 {\an8}and who could help raise the profile and the legitimacy of the league. 152 00:08:11,201 --> 00:08:13,870 {\an8}And Fritz Pollard was a player who certainly did that. 153 00:08:14,913 --> 00:08:16,748 [Menefee] Fritz Pollard played quarterback, 154 00:08:16,748 --> 00:08:18,541 tailback in the Wing-T offense. 155 00:08:18,541 --> 00:08:21,211 He was the guy that the ball was always in his hands, 156 00:08:21,211 --> 00:08:22,837 always made decisions. 157 00:08:22,837 --> 00:08:24,589 The challenges for Fritz Pollard, 158 00:08:24,589 --> 00:08:28,927 as it was for the few Black players that were in the National Football League, 159 00:08:28,927 --> 00:08:31,429 heard the racial slurs whenever he would come into stadiums. 160 00:08:31,429 --> 00:08:33,473 He had to have separate places that he dressed 161 00:08:33,473 --> 00:08:35,392 because he couldn't dress in the same locker room. 162 00:08:35,392 --> 00:08:37,936 Black people simply weren't seen as equal. 163 00:08:37,936 --> 00:08:39,604 {\an8}And so it was more than just fighting 164 00:08:39,604 --> 00:08:41,564 {\an8}for his rights as a football player, as an athlete. 165 00:08:41,564 --> 00:08:43,441 He was fighting for his rights as a man. 166 00:08:43,441 --> 00:08:46,695 [Jarrett Bell] Fritz Pollard and the Black players in the '20s 167 00:08:46,695 --> 00:08:50,699 {\an8}helped lay the foundation because they helped to establish the sport. 168 00:08:50,699 --> 00:08:56,079 {\an8}And now we look at the NFL as the most popular sport in the land. 169 00:08:56,079 --> 00:09:01,167 Well, back then, the NFL was still trying to prove itself as a viable entity 170 00:09:01,167 --> 00:09:03,461 that went beyond college football, 171 00:09:03,461 --> 00:09:05,839 that could attract people on a regular basis. 172 00:09:10,135 --> 00:09:13,388 ♪ You're broken down and tired ♪ 173 00:09:14,180 --> 00:09:17,475 ♪ Of living life on a merry-go-round ♪ 174 00:09:18,601 --> 00:09:19,811 [Vick] We're here in Washington DC, 175 00:09:19,811 --> 00:09:23,690 spending some time with Coach Dungy, who was a quarterback himself, 176 00:09:23,690 --> 00:09:25,525 played at the University of Minnesota. 177 00:09:25,525 --> 00:09:28,820 Had some success but didn't get drafted as a quarterback. 178 00:09:28,820 --> 00:09:30,488 I kinda wanna talk about his journey, 179 00:09:30,488 --> 00:09:32,282 ask him about some of his favorites growing up. 180 00:09:32,866 --> 00:09:35,869 Talking about those who came before him and those who came after. 181 00:09:35,869 --> 00:09:41,333 ♪ We will rise up And we'll do it a thousand times again ♪ 182 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:43,918 - Coach! Been a long time. - Michael Vick. What do you say, my man? 183 00:09:43,918 --> 00:09:45,545 - How are you? - So good to see you. 184 00:09:45,545 --> 00:09:47,547 - Great, Coach. How about yourself? - I'm doing well. 185 00:09:47,547 --> 00:09:49,883 - You look amazing. - Well, thank you. You do too. 186 00:09:49,883 --> 00:09:53,219 Thank you. I'm glad that we, uh-- we got the opportunity to spend some time today 187 00:09:53,219 --> 00:09:56,014 - and go through some history. - Yeah, this is going to be unbelievable. 188 00:09:56,014 --> 00:10:00,769 ♪ For you ♪ 189 00:10:00,769 --> 00:10:01,895 ♪ Ah ♪ 190 00:10:01,895 --> 00:10:03,229 [music ends] 191 00:10:05,607 --> 00:10:09,277 {\an8}Coach, I wanted to come here and explore this museum with you, 192 00:10:09,277 --> 00:10:12,197 {\an8}but at the same time, dive into your journey 193 00:10:13,990 --> 00:10:16,659 and, uh, also the history of the quarterback position, 194 00:10:16,659 --> 00:10:19,621 the Black quarterback, and how far we've come to date. 195 00:10:19,621 --> 00:10:21,414 And you being a former quarterback. 196 00:10:21,414 --> 00:10:23,333 - It makes sense to want to... - [Dungy] Did you know that, or did you-- 197 00:10:23,333 --> 00:10:24,709 - No, I didn't know that. - [laughs] 198 00:10:24,709 --> 00:10:26,044 I did not know that, Coach. 199 00:10:26,044 --> 00:10:27,796 - And I felt so bad, so... - [sighs] 200 00:10:27,796 --> 00:10:30,965 [Dungy] My kids see my old college film now 201 00:10:30,965 --> 00:10:33,301 - and they're like, "Damn, we didn't know." - [Vick] Yeah. 202 00:10:33,301 --> 00:10:37,680 I know when you talking about sports, racial prejudice played a part. 203 00:10:38,306 --> 00:10:41,559 {\an8}I would like to know from you how you guys persevered. 204 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,229 We had some guys that paved the way for us. 205 00:10:44,229 --> 00:10:47,857 Guys who had to fight through some barriers and, uh-- 206 00:10:47,857 --> 00:10:49,317 Who was some of those guys, Coach? 207 00:10:49,317 --> 00:10:50,944 I tell you, I... When I grew up, 208 00:10:50,944 --> 00:10:53,238 my dad was going to school at Michigan State 209 00:10:53,238 --> 00:10:55,156 and Jimmy Raye was the quarterback. 210 00:10:55,156 --> 00:10:58,118 [commentator] The Spartan offense is marshaled by junior quarterback, Jim Raye. 211 00:10:58,118 --> 00:11:00,745 [Dungy] They won a national championship, 1966. 212 00:11:00,745 --> 00:11:01,663 [Vick] Okay. 213 00:11:01,663 --> 00:11:03,998 {\an8}[Dungy] He was a leader and that's who I emulated. 214 00:11:04,707 --> 00:11:09,546 {\an8}Eldridge Dickey might have been one of the best athletes to ever play football, 215 00:11:09,546 --> 00:11:11,047 {\an8}- played at Tennessee State. - Wow. 216 00:11:11,047 --> 00:11:13,758 {\an8}[Dungy] The Oakland Raiders draft him in the first round. 217 00:11:13,758 --> 00:11:14,676 [Vick] Okay. 218 00:11:14,676 --> 00:11:17,554 In the second round, they draft another quarterback, 219 00:11:17,554 --> 00:11:18,596 - Ken Stabler... - S-Stabler? 220 00:11:18,596 --> 00:11:20,181 ...who ends up going on to the Hall of Fame. 221 00:11:20,181 --> 00:11:22,684 But they drafted Eldridge Dickey first. 222 00:11:23,518 --> 00:11:25,770 - So that tells you about that ability. - Okay. 223 00:11:26,312 --> 00:11:28,565 [Dungy] Stabler goes on to the Hall of Fame. 224 00:11:28,565 --> 00:11:30,442 Eldridge Dickey never gets a chance 225 00:11:30,442 --> 00:11:32,652 - to play quarterback in the NFL. - [Vick] Right. 226 00:11:34,446 --> 00:11:40,076 This museum, Mike, has a-a special place in my heart because my dad came here 227 00:11:40,076 --> 00:11:42,787 - and taught school, uh... - Here? 228 00:11:42,787 --> 00:11:44,414 - [Dungy] Here in the DC area. - Okay. 229 00:11:44,414 --> 00:11:46,791 [Dungy] Not too many miles from right where we're standing. 230 00:11:46,791 --> 00:11:50,712 My dad had fought in World War II as a Tuskegee airman 231 00:11:50,712 --> 00:11:53,590 and came here to DC to teach his first teaching job... 232 00:11:53,590 --> 00:11:54,507 [Vick] Wow. 233 00:11:54,507 --> 00:11:56,509 [Dungy] ...and he couldn't teach in an integrated school. 234 00:11:56,509 --> 00:11:58,928 - [Vick] Wow. - He had to teach in an all-Black school. 235 00:11:59,596 --> 00:12:01,973 And he said the first time he went to school, 236 00:12:01,973 --> 00:12:03,433 - he went to get on the bus... - Mm-hmm. 237 00:12:03,433 --> 00:12:06,936 ...and they said, "No, you can't sit in this section of the bus." 238 00:12:07,604 --> 00:12:12,609 And so he said, "Well, if I can't sit anywhere I want to, I'll walk." 239 00:12:12,609 --> 00:12:18,114 He said he walked to school every day to make sure his kids in the all-Black school 240 00:12:18,114 --> 00:12:19,616 knew as much science as 241 00:12:19,616 --> 00:12:21,951 - the kids in the all-White school. - Yeah. [chuckles] 242 00:12:21,951 --> 00:12:24,537 And I said, "Dad, didn't that make you upset? 243 00:12:24,537 --> 00:12:26,998 You fought for the country and you can't even teach." 244 00:12:26,998 --> 00:12:28,333 - Right. - And he said, 245 00:12:28,333 --> 00:12:30,627 "I could be upset, but that wasn't gonna help things. 246 00:12:30,627 --> 00:12:32,712 I had to figure out a way to make things better." 247 00:12:32,712 --> 00:12:34,130 - Wow. -"So the way I could make it better 248 00:12:34,130 --> 00:12:36,382 was make sure I was the best teacher I could be." 249 00:12:36,382 --> 00:12:38,468 - [Vick] Yeah. - And that always stuck with me. 250 00:12:39,010 --> 00:12:41,888 I think what it put in me is "Don't let anything stop you." 251 00:12:42,472 --> 00:12:46,809 And you know, 50 years later, we come back, 252 00:12:46,809 --> 00:12:48,811 - we win the Super Bowl... - Mm-hmm. 253 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:51,814 [Dungy] ...and President Bush invites us to the White House. 254 00:12:51,814 --> 00:12:53,858 - Okay. - I landed at this airport 255 00:12:53,858 --> 00:12:56,569 and I'm on the bus going to the White House, 256 00:12:56,569 --> 00:12:58,071 where my dad couldn't ride the bus. 257 00:12:58,071 --> 00:13:01,741 I'm in the first seat in the first bus going to meet the president. 258 00:13:02,325 --> 00:13:03,326 - And... - 50 years later. 259 00:13:03,326 --> 00:13:05,286 - Yeah, but it falls back on those guys... - Change. 260 00:13:05,286 --> 00:13:07,705 {\an8}- [Dungy] ...who changed things for us. - Oh, man. 261 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,297 - 1976. - Okay. 262 00:13:16,297 --> 00:13:18,716 I'm quarterbacking the University of Minnesota... 263 00:13:18,716 --> 00:13:20,760 - Mm-hmm. - ...playing the University of Washington. 264 00:13:21,511 --> 00:13:23,096 Warren Moon's quarterbacking them. 265 00:13:23,096 --> 00:13:24,097 [Vick] Okay. 266 00:13:24,097 --> 00:13:25,848 [Dungy] I'm leading the Big Ten in passing. 267 00:13:26,349 --> 00:13:28,393 Warren's leading the Pac-10 in passing. 268 00:13:28,393 --> 00:13:29,644 [commentator 1] Moon goes deep. 269 00:13:29,644 --> 00:13:32,689 There's Gaines. Got it! Touchdown! 270 00:13:32,689 --> 00:13:36,150 Come draft time, neither one of us gets drafted. 271 00:13:36,651 --> 00:13:39,571 They say, "Hey, you gotta change positions 272 00:13:39,571 --> 00:13:40,947 - or go to Canada." - Right. 273 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:43,866 [Dungy] So I wanted to play in the NFL, 274 00:13:43,866 --> 00:13:46,494 I changed positions and became a defensive back. 275 00:13:47,078 --> 00:13:49,747 Warren said, "I'm not changing positions. 276 00:13:49,747 --> 00:13:51,082 - I'm a quarterback." - Yeah. Yeah. 277 00:13:51,082 --> 00:13:52,083 [Dungy] He goes to Canada, 278 00:13:52,667 --> 00:13:56,254 comes back and goes to the Hall of Fame as a quarterback. 279 00:13:56,254 --> 00:13:59,173 That's how it was back then. 280 00:13:59,173 --> 00:14:01,384 - Yeah, you had to choose your fate. - It wasn't the same. 281 00:14:02,051 --> 00:14:04,762 A couple of years before me, there was a guy named Chuck Ealey. 282 00:14:04,762 --> 00:14:07,724 [commentator 2] Twenty-two-year-old Chuck Ealey is a cool, young man 283 00:14:07,724 --> 00:14:10,476 - on the field under any kind of pressure. - [Vick] Okay. 284 00:14:10,476 --> 00:14:12,979 [Dungy] Chuck Ealey was a quarterback at University of Toledo. 285 00:14:12,979 --> 00:14:14,981 - [Vick] Right. - He was one of my heroes. 286 00:14:14,981 --> 00:14:17,066 - Never lost a game in high school. - Yeah. 287 00:14:17,066 --> 00:14:18,693 {\an8}[Dungy] Never lost a game in college 288 00:14:18,693 --> 00:14:20,695 {\an8}- in the University of Toledo. - Okay. 289 00:14:20,695 --> 00:14:24,657 {\an8}[Dungy] Didn't get drafted because didn't fit the mold. 290 00:14:24,657 --> 00:14:27,619 But Chuck Ealey, he had to go to Canada. 291 00:14:28,161 --> 00:14:29,912 Won the Grey Cup as a rookie. 292 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:31,998 But you'd think quarterback isn't about winning, 293 00:14:31,998 --> 00:14:36,961 and this man was undefeated in seven years and didn't get drafted? 294 00:14:36,961 --> 00:14:38,713 That's how we had to battle. 295 00:14:41,633 --> 00:14:44,218 And it wasn't the-the type of thing where people said, 296 00:14:44,218 --> 00:14:46,346 "We don't want Black quarterbacks," but it was always, 297 00:14:46,346 --> 00:14:47,805 "If your arm was a little stronger." 298 00:14:47,805 --> 00:14:49,557 "If you stayed in the pocket a little more." 299 00:14:49,557 --> 00:14:51,643 "You don't fit our-our style." 300 00:15:00,109 --> 00:15:01,444 [Vick] Coach, and there you go. 301 00:15:01,444 --> 00:15:03,446 One of the greatest moments in sports history. 302 00:15:03,446 --> 00:15:05,990 [commentator 3] The Colts are world champions! 303 00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:08,326 World champions for the first time! 304 00:15:08,326 --> 00:15:09,827 [Dungy] Proud moment for me, Michael, 305 00:15:09,827 --> 00:15:13,790 because when I got my first head coaching job in Tampa, 306 00:15:13,790 --> 00:15:16,959 one of my real goals, I said, 307 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:19,379 "I've got to give some more guys opportunities." 308 00:15:19,379 --> 00:15:20,296 [Vick] Okay. 309 00:15:20,296 --> 00:15:23,049 [Dungy] My first staff was Lovie Smith and Herm Edwards 310 00:15:23,049 --> 00:15:26,761 and then Herm got the job in New York and I hired Mike Tomlin. 311 00:15:26,761 --> 00:15:28,596 And those guys took it 312 00:15:28,596 --> 00:15:30,473 - and they showed what they could do. - Yes, they did. 313 00:15:30,473 --> 00:15:33,518 [Dungy] And so to-to be able to play in a Super Bowl against Lovie, 314 00:15:33,518 --> 00:15:35,687 that was an unbelievable thrill. 315 00:15:35,687 --> 00:15:40,566 Coach, I-I will say this, I love Lovie but I was rooting for you. 316 00:15:40,566 --> 00:15:42,485 [Dungy laughs] It's so hard to believe. 317 00:15:42,485 --> 00:15:46,030 I remember that Super Bowl game and-and the clock was running down. 318 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:47,949 There's like a minute left and I know we're gonna win. 319 00:15:47,949 --> 00:15:50,576 And I was on the sideline thinking, 320 00:15:50,576 --> 00:15:53,287 "How in the world did I get here? How did this happen?" 321 00:15:53,287 --> 00:15:56,082 I thought about my dad. I thought about Fritz Pollard. 322 00:15:56,082 --> 00:15:58,626 I thought about guys who sacrificed 323 00:15:58,626 --> 00:16:01,379 and just kept fighting to give us an opportunity. 324 00:16:01,379 --> 00:16:04,549 And it was one of those great feelings like, "Man, we did it." 325 00:16:04,549 --> 00:16:08,052 Thank you so much for taking me on this tour 326 00:16:08,052 --> 00:16:11,639 and enlightening me on so many things that I didn't know about. 327 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:16,352 And I wanna take the time to thank you for being such an inspiration in my life 328 00:16:16,352 --> 00:16:18,855 and always holding me accountable. 329 00:16:18,855 --> 00:16:20,982 So there's a lot of people that I try to make proud. 330 00:16:20,982 --> 00:16:24,652 Parents, my wife, yourself, Andy. 331 00:16:24,652 --> 00:16:27,280 And thanks for always holding me to a higher standard. 332 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,197 Thank you so much. 333 00:16:28,197 --> 00:16:30,783 It's been awesome to go through the museum with you, Mike. 334 00:16:35,455 --> 00:16:37,457 [Vick] It's great to celebrate history, 335 00:16:38,583 --> 00:16:40,626 but it's not just about the triumphs. 336 00:16:41,794 --> 00:16:43,880 {\an8}There's a story in the pain too. 337 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:48,593 {\an8}[reporter] The great big spree, the Jazz Age is over. 338 00:16:48,593 --> 00:16:49,594 {\an8}All over. 339 00:16:50,261 --> 00:16:53,723 {\an8}In the 1920s, the great American word was prosperity. 340 00:16:53,723 --> 00:16:56,559 {\an8}Now the '30s have begun and there is a new word. 341 00:16:57,143 --> 00:16:58,186 Depression. 342 00:16:59,270 --> 00:17:01,773 {\an8}During the Great Depression, fans didn't want to see, 343 00:17:01,773 --> 00:17:05,109 {\an8}or at least owners didn't believe that fans wanted to see Black men working 344 00:17:05,109 --> 00:17:08,196 {\an8}and getting paid while White men were out of a job. 345 00:17:10,698 --> 00:17:12,784 {\an8}[Wyche] You have George Preston Marshall 346 00:17:12,784 --> 00:17:16,412 {\an8}and other owners collude to say, 347 00:17:16,412 --> 00:17:21,042 {\an8}"Black players, uh-uh, we're not having them, we're not paying them." 348 00:17:21,834 --> 00:17:26,547 So for roughly 12 years, there were no Black players in the NFL. 349 00:17:28,216 --> 00:17:34,680 {\an8}The NFL reintegrated in 1946 when Cleveland moved to Los Angeles. 350 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,642 And they wanted to play in the Coliseum. 351 00:17:38,226 --> 00:17:43,105 But the Coliseum forbade them from practicing segregation, 352 00:17:43,105 --> 00:17:46,692 so they had to have African American players. 353 00:17:46,692 --> 00:17:49,445 And so they turned to a star player, 354 00:17:49,445 --> 00:17:56,327 Kenny Washington, who had been a-an All-American at UCLA. 355 00:17:56,327 --> 00:17:58,246 [commentator] Kenny Washington steps back to pass, 356 00:17:58,246 --> 00:18:01,207 throws a looper to Jackie Robinson and it's complete for a first down. 357 00:18:01,207 --> 00:18:04,585 [Bell] And then they signed his former UCLA teammate Woody Strode 358 00:18:04,585 --> 00:18:10,299 a few weeks later and there you had the integration of the NFL. 359 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:18,975 Even as football integrated, and it's a major moment of progress, 360 00:18:18,975 --> 00:18:23,771 we also still have this racial hierarchy in place. 361 00:18:23,771 --> 00:18:26,065 {\an8}Blacks were not allowed to play quarterback, 362 00:18:26,065 --> 00:18:29,485 {\an8}center, middle linebacker, safety. 363 00:18:29,485 --> 00:18:32,613 The positions down the middle of the field 364 00:18:32,613 --> 00:18:36,993 that were deemed by football people as the thinking positions. 365 00:18:37,702 --> 00:18:40,538 {\an8}1953, Willie Thrower, 366 00:18:40,538 --> 00:18:45,543 {\an8}the first Black quarterback that played in the NFL, it lasted one game. 367 00:18:46,419 --> 00:18:49,672 {\an8}Choo Choo Brackins played for the Green Bay Packers. 368 00:18:49,672 --> 00:18:52,675 {\an8}He got into a game, he threw two passes, 369 00:18:52,675 --> 00:18:56,345 two incompletions, and the next week he was cut. 370 00:19:00,016 --> 00:19:05,688 [Bell] It wasn't until 1968, when Marlin Briscoe got the opportunity 371 00:19:05,688 --> 00:19:09,483 to start multiple games as a rookie for the Broncos. 372 00:19:09,483 --> 00:19:11,110 [teammate] Let's go, Marlin! 373 00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:13,779 Marlin Briscoe is a significant figure in NFL history 374 00:19:13,779 --> 00:19:18,951 because he's officially the first Black starting quarterback of the modern era. 375 00:19:18,951 --> 00:19:20,411 And he was able to do it in 1968 376 00:19:20,411 --> 00:19:22,830 with all the turmoil that was going on around the country. 377 00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:25,291 And I think a lot of people kind of looked at him 378 00:19:25,291 --> 00:19:27,043 and thought he was going to open the door 379 00:19:27,043 --> 00:19:30,546 and provide an avenue for a lot of guys who'd come up 380 00:19:30,546 --> 00:19:36,052 through the college ranks at HBCUs or at, you know, other major universities 381 00:19:36,052 --> 00:19:37,261 to try and get an opportunity 382 00:19:37,261 --> 00:19:39,263 to play quarterback in the National Football League. 383 00:19:39,847 --> 00:19:41,223 And that didn't really happen. 384 00:19:52,985 --> 00:19:54,695 Rodney Peete! 385 00:19:54,695 --> 00:19:56,155 My brother. How are you, man? 386 00:19:56,155 --> 00:19:57,657 Where we at, Rodney? 387 00:19:57,657 --> 00:19:59,659 We are at Illusion Magic. 388 00:19:59,659 --> 00:20:00,660 - You know why? - [Vick] Why? 389 00:20:00,660 --> 00:20:02,662 [Peete] We're gonna talk a little Marlin Briscoe, right? 390 00:20:02,662 --> 00:20:04,705 - What's his nickname? - The Magician. 391 00:20:04,705 --> 00:20:07,208 Plus, I got a little something special for you in there, man. 392 00:20:07,208 --> 00:20:08,334 - I love surprises, baby. - Yeah. 393 00:20:08,334 --> 00:20:09,251 [both] Let's do it. 394 00:20:15,841 --> 00:20:17,551 - Hey. What's going on, Rod? - What's up, Larry? 395 00:20:17,551 --> 00:20:18,844 - What's going on? - Good to see you. 396 00:20:18,844 --> 00:20:20,096 - Mike Vick. - How you doing? 397 00:20:20,096 --> 00:20:21,472 - Good to see you. - What's going on? 398 00:20:21,472 --> 00:20:23,683 - Good to have you fellas here. - Yeah, got my-my buddy with me. 399 00:20:23,683 --> 00:20:25,184 Came here to talk about Marlin Briscoe. 400 00:20:25,184 --> 00:20:26,560 Before we talk about him, 401 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,981 {\an8}I thought I would do a trick in honor of him since he was called The Magician. 402 00:20:29,981 --> 00:20:32,316 {\an8}This is an ordinary deck of cards. 403 00:20:33,025 --> 00:20:35,027 Michael, just pull any card out. Any card that you want. 404 00:20:35,027 --> 00:20:36,153 Make sure that's the one you want. 405 00:20:36,153 --> 00:20:37,488 - That's fair. Right? - That's fair. 406 00:20:37,488 --> 00:20:40,324 Show it to the camera. Place it right there. 407 00:20:40,324 --> 00:20:41,951 - [Vick] All right. - [Wilmore] Don't forget it. 408 00:20:41,951 --> 00:20:43,411 We're gonna leave it right where it is. 409 00:20:43,411 --> 00:20:45,705 Do you know why Marlin Briscoe was called The Magician? 410 00:20:46,497 --> 00:20:47,832 - He was an escape artist. - No way. 411 00:20:47,832 --> 00:20:49,083 He could escape from any situation. 412 00:20:49,083 --> 00:20:51,502 So what we're gonna do is rather than find your card, 413 00:20:51,502 --> 00:20:53,546 your card is gonna escape from the deck, right? 414 00:20:53,546 --> 00:20:55,798 I'm just gonna tie the deck up to my hand. 415 00:20:55,798 --> 00:20:57,717 That way I can't manipulate it in any way. 416 00:20:57,717 --> 00:20:59,802 And on the count of three, when we say... 417 00:20:59,802 --> 00:21:01,804 I'm gonna say, "One, two, three," we'll say, "Marlin Briscoe," 418 00:21:01,804 --> 00:21:04,849 the card is gonna escape from the deck in the amount of time it takes to say that. 419 00:21:04,849 --> 00:21:07,476 - Ready? One, two, three. - [Vick, Peete] Marlin Briscoe. 420 00:21:07,476 --> 00:21:09,020 - [Wilmore] Is that your card? - [laughs] 421 00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:10,646 - [Vick] That was. - [Wilmore] Ace of hearts? 422 00:21:10,646 --> 00:21:12,940 - That was the card. - That was the card, everybody! 423 00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:16,068 - [Vick] That was the card. That was good. - Marlin Briscoe, the Magician. Come on. 424 00:21:16,068 --> 00:21:17,570 Oh, man. That was big time right there. 425 00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:19,196 - We did it. - I-I was watching close. 426 00:21:19,196 --> 00:21:21,198 - You got me with that one. - [Wilmore] I got you, right? 427 00:21:21,198 --> 00:21:22,491 - I got you. - [Peete] You got me too. 428 00:21:22,491 --> 00:21:24,285 Marlin was like that, man. 429 00:21:24,285 --> 00:21:25,619 He could get out of situations. 430 00:21:25,619 --> 00:21:27,788 - We owe so much to him. - Yeah. 431 00:21:27,788 --> 00:21:31,375 [Peete] He was the first Black quarterback to start a game in the NFL. 432 00:21:31,375 --> 00:21:34,587 [reporter] Marlin Briscoe, number 15, was introduced into the quarterback slot. 433 00:21:34,587 --> 00:21:37,423 [Peete] Of that era, people would've probably said, 434 00:21:37,423 --> 00:21:38,716 "Oh, he's Michael Vick." 435 00:21:38,716 --> 00:21:40,843 - Because he could move around... - [laughs] That says a lot. 436 00:21:40,843 --> 00:21:42,636 ...he could escape, he can get out of trouble. 437 00:21:43,262 --> 00:21:44,847 [Wilmore] Quarterbacks then were pocket passers, 438 00:21:44,847 --> 00:21:47,099 but he was unpredictable for his time. 439 00:21:47,099 --> 00:21:48,517 People didn't know what he was gonna do. 440 00:21:49,018 --> 00:21:51,437 They haven't seen this kind of excitement with a quarterback. 441 00:21:51,437 --> 00:21:55,274 He really started a whole new thing, but then it just stopped after that season 442 00:21:55,274 --> 00:21:56,776 when he didn't get a chance to quarterback. 443 00:21:56,776 --> 00:21:58,486 [crowd cheering] 444 00:21:58,486 --> 00:22:00,488 Let's just stop right there. You said it stopped? 445 00:22:00,488 --> 00:22:02,573 Times were just different, you know. 446 00:22:02,573 --> 00:22:06,243 In 1968, Dr. King was assassinated early in the year. 447 00:22:06,243 --> 00:22:07,620 There were riots. 448 00:22:07,620 --> 00:22:08,788 There was so much unrest. 449 00:22:09,413 --> 00:22:13,584 So for a Black man to lead a group of White men in 1968, 450 00:22:13,584 --> 00:22:15,419 that was not an easy proposition. 451 00:22:17,797 --> 00:22:19,215 [crowd cheering] 452 00:22:19,215 --> 00:22:21,634 [Wilmore] The racial dynamic was the biggest thing. 453 00:22:21,634 --> 00:22:23,094 The way people judged Black quarterbacks. 454 00:22:23,094 --> 00:22:25,554 They didn't think they were as smart as the White quarterbacks. 455 00:22:25,554 --> 00:22:28,516 A lot of quarterbacks called their own plays back in those days. 456 00:22:28,516 --> 00:22:30,392 You know, can he be a real play caller? 457 00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:33,813 [Vick] Okay, so it was just one year for-for Marlin. 458 00:22:33,813 --> 00:22:37,900 One year and done and then he was on to playing wide receiver. 459 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:40,277 They didn't wanna make him quarterback again for the second season. 460 00:22:40,277 --> 00:22:41,862 So he said, "Fine, I'll go somewhere else." 461 00:22:41,862 --> 00:22:44,782 Didn't get a chance to do it again, but he reinvented himself as a wide receiver. 462 00:22:44,782 --> 00:22:46,575 He wasn't just a wide receiver, he was a Pro Bowler. 463 00:22:46,575 --> 00:22:48,869 He won two rings for the Dolphins. 464 00:22:48,869 --> 00:22:50,746 He was on that undefeated team. 465 00:22:50,746 --> 00:22:55,209 Certain people would say, "See, we always knew you were a wide receiver." [laughs] 466 00:22:55,209 --> 00:22:57,586 Yes, exactly! Right. [groans] 467 00:22:57,586 --> 00:23:02,007 So Marlin Briscoe in 2023 is a full-fledged starter 468 00:23:02,007 --> 00:23:03,801 - in the National Football League. - Exactly. 469 00:23:03,801 --> 00:23:05,094 - Thousand percent. - Without question. 470 00:23:05,094 --> 00:23:07,346 He's on the cover of Madden. Easy. 471 00:23:13,936 --> 00:23:16,689 Marlin Briscoe just recently passed away. 472 00:23:16,689 --> 00:23:18,732 Never really got his just due. 473 00:23:18,732 --> 00:23:19,942 That's why it's important for us. 474 00:23:19,942 --> 00:23:22,069 We gotta keep it going, that legacy going... 475 00:23:22,069 --> 00:23:23,487 - Yeah. - ...because he paved the way 476 00:23:23,487 --> 00:23:24,572 for so many of us. 477 00:23:24,572 --> 00:23:27,283 {\an8}Watching guys like me and Randall and Warren. 478 00:23:27,283 --> 00:23:30,828 {\an8}- But knowing that he started in the NFL... - Yeah. 479 00:23:30,828 --> 00:23:32,329 [Peete] ...you know, he was the first one to do it. 480 00:23:34,165 --> 00:23:38,794 Rodney, I wanna take a moment to just reflect on your career at USC. 481 00:23:38,794 --> 00:23:41,797 And that was a delicate time for Black quarterbacks. 482 00:23:41,797 --> 00:23:44,175 Did you have to deal with any-any stereotypes... 483 00:23:44,175 --> 00:23:45,885 - Oh, yeah. - ...as you played the position? 484 00:23:45,885 --> 00:23:47,845 [Peete] When I was getting recruited, 485 00:23:47,845 --> 00:23:50,931 half the schools that recruited me wanted me to play wide receiver. 486 00:23:51,849 --> 00:23:53,100 USC said I could play quarterback. 487 00:23:53,601 --> 00:23:55,436 Plus, they had Black quarterbacks there before. 488 00:23:55,436 --> 00:23:58,230 You know, they had Jimmy Jones, Vince Evans. 489 00:23:58,898 --> 00:24:02,276 When you see somebody in your position that's doing it, 490 00:24:02,276 --> 00:24:04,570 then it gives you a feeling like, "I can do it too." 491 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:05,487 [crowd cheering] 492 00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:07,990 [commentator 1] Rodney Peete turns it inside. Touchdown. 493 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:09,033 Second of the day. 494 00:24:09,617 --> 00:24:12,536 [Peete] Had a good run at SC. It was fun, man. We were winning. 495 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:16,248 I always believed that the best quarterbacks were the guys 496 00:24:16,248 --> 00:24:17,833 - that could do multiple things. - Right. 497 00:24:17,833 --> 00:24:20,836 So I would move around, I would run around. 498 00:24:20,836 --> 00:24:23,297 And then, if you didn't allow me to do that, 499 00:24:23,297 --> 00:24:24,882 I would also sit in the pocket 500 00:24:24,882 --> 00:24:26,342 - and-and carve you up that way. - Mmm. 501 00:24:26,967 --> 00:24:29,678 - [Peete] Overall, it was just leadership. - Exactly. Yeah. 502 00:24:29,678 --> 00:24:31,180 - [Peete] That was what I brought... - Yeah. 503 00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:32,765 [Peete] ...to the table more than anything else. 504 00:24:32,765 --> 00:24:37,269 Now, were you cautious about not running and being more of a pocket passer? 505 00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:39,980 - Or did-did it not matter? - Man, I was. 506 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:41,899 I probably missed out on 507 00:24:41,899 --> 00:24:44,360 - a lot of rushing touchdowns... - [Vick] Right. 508 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,655 ...because I was trying to make sure I did a passing touchdown. 509 00:24:47,655 --> 00:24:49,406 Because that's what people were looking at. 510 00:24:49,406 --> 00:24:52,243 - Then get labeled a running quarterback. - And get labeled a running quarterback. 511 00:24:52,243 --> 00:24:54,370 And all of a sudden, you know how-- what happens after that. 512 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:55,454 Absolutely. 513 00:24:58,791 --> 00:25:02,753 [commentator 2] Peete down the middle. Touchdown. 514 00:25:03,921 --> 00:25:05,464 Rodney, I was a big fan of you growing up. 515 00:25:05,464 --> 00:25:09,885 And seeing a Black quarterback on TV was amazing for me. 516 00:25:09,885 --> 00:25:11,136 Because the more I could see, 517 00:25:11,136 --> 00:25:13,472 the more guys that showed up that looked like me, 518 00:25:13,472 --> 00:25:15,140 the more I could dream my dream. 519 00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:18,477 [Peete] To be able to play quarterback at USC, all the tradition, 520 00:25:18,477 --> 00:25:23,023 all the history and those rival games against UCLA and Troy Aikman. 521 00:25:23,023 --> 00:25:27,236 And in fact, my senior year, we were one, two, or three throughout the whole season. 522 00:25:27,236 --> 00:25:29,113 So everything came together. 523 00:25:29,113 --> 00:25:34,451 Heisman Trophy was on the line, Rose Bowl on the line, national title on the line. 524 00:25:34,451 --> 00:25:37,871 And we ended up beating 'em in '87. Then we got 'em again in '88. 525 00:25:45,838 --> 00:25:48,590 {\an8}[reporter] You are looking live at the Marriott Marquis Ballroom 526 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:52,761 {\an8}here in New York City as the 1989 NFL draft is about to begin. 527 00:25:54,305 --> 00:25:56,098 {\an8}[Vick] The 1989 draft, 528 00:25:56,098 --> 00:25:58,600 - you was drafted in the sixth round? - Sixth round. Sixth round. 529 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,686 {\an8}- [Vick] Aikman went earlier. - Yeah. 530 00:26:00,686 --> 00:26:01,812 {\an8}[Vick] What'd it make you feel like? 531 00:26:01,812 --> 00:26:06,567 {\an8}Man, it was probably one of the darkest, hardest days in my life. 532 00:26:07,067 --> 00:26:08,527 You go through college, right? 533 00:26:08,527 --> 00:26:11,613 You're going toe to toe with the guy who is going to be drafted number one 534 00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:13,198 and you beat him twice. 535 00:26:13,198 --> 00:26:14,450 - Runner-up to the Heisman. - Yeah. 536 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:17,411 May not be number-one pick, but I'm-I'm gonna be close. 537 00:26:17,411 --> 00:26:19,163 - Early. Early. - I'm gonna be somewhere around there. 538 00:26:19,163 --> 00:26:20,998 First round goes by. Nothing. 539 00:26:20,998 --> 00:26:21,915 Second round. 540 00:26:21,915 --> 00:26:25,002 - Then I'm seeing guys go off the board. - Yeah. 541 00:26:25,002 --> 00:26:27,546 [Peete] Quarterbacks from different schools start to go off the board. 542 00:26:28,297 --> 00:26:29,340 [Vick] They probably not even 543 00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:30,382 - as good as you. - Yeah. 544 00:26:30,382 --> 00:26:33,802 The sixth round comes and Detroit calls me, and I finally end up getting drafted. 545 00:26:35,471 --> 00:26:37,598 [Vick] You probably looked around the NFL 546 00:26:37,598 --> 00:26:40,601 and didn't see too many other Black quarterbacks. 547 00:26:40,601 --> 00:26:43,479 You end up having a long, sustainable career. 548 00:26:43,479 --> 00:26:45,689 You can't be just as good. 549 00:26:45,689 --> 00:26:47,483 - You gotta be twice as good... - Yes. 550 00:26:47,483 --> 00:26:49,902 [Peete] ...as that White quarterback, 551 00:26:49,902 --> 00:26:51,779 otherwise you're not gonna get a shot. 552 00:26:51,779 --> 00:26:56,033 At that time, 'cause I played baseball, all family and friends, like, 553 00:26:56,033 --> 00:26:58,285 -"Forget the NFL, go play baseball." -"Go play baseball." 554 00:26:58,285 --> 00:27:00,454 -"Go play baseball." But I just couldn't. - Yeah. 555 00:27:00,454 --> 00:27:03,457 I couldn't because there's gonna be some other kids along the way. 556 00:27:03,457 --> 00:27:05,125 They gonna say, "Why didn't you play football?" 557 00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:07,920 Like-Like me. I was one of those kids watching you, 558 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,007 watching Randall, trying to visualize and trying to dream my dream. 559 00:27:12,007 --> 00:27:15,052 I just had to... I had to go show them that I could play quarterback. 560 00:27:23,644 --> 00:27:25,396 [doorbell chimes] 561 00:27:27,398 --> 00:27:28,232 [Harris] Mike. 562 00:27:28,232 --> 00:27:29,900 - Mr. Shack Harris, how you doing? - Come on in, man. 563 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:31,026 All right. Welcome. 564 00:27:31,026 --> 00:27:32,945 - Thank you. Good to see you. - Good to see you again. 565 00:27:32,945 --> 00:27:34,822 Shack, I told you I was gonna come find you. 566 00:27:34,822 --> 00:27:37,032 {\an8}Now, I'm here to see you and talk some history. 567 00:27:37,616 --> 00:27:38,450 Well, let's get to it. 568 00:27:40,536 --> 00:27:43,705 {\an8}Before we get started, I want you to try this lemonade 569 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:45,124 and tell me it's not some of the best. 570 00:27:45,124 --> 00:27:47,501 - Awesome. I thought you would never ask. - [laughs] 571 00:27:48,836 --> 00:27:52,172 That's amazing. Miss Harris made that? That-That wasn't you. 572 00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:56,093 - Help yourself. She's the best. [laughs] - I'm taking that pitcher with me. 573 00:27:56,093 --> 00:27:57,219 Thanks for the visit. 574 00:27:57,219 --> 00:27:58,804 Good to talk a little football. 575 00:27:58,804 --> 00:28:03,434 {\an8}Absolutely. If you can give a scouting report on yourself, what would it be? 576 00:28:03,434 --> 00:28:06,937 Well, simply put, I would say I wanted to win. 577 00:28:08,605 --> 00:28:11,400 - [commentator 1] Tucks it in. Runs away. - [commentator 2] Throws to the end zone. 578 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,193 [commentator 3] Going deep down the sideline. 579 00:28:13,193 --> 00:28:17,281 Played on some great teams with some great players, 580 00:28:17,281 --> 00:28:21,910 but my role was always to get the ball to the playmaker 581 00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:23,912 and make plays to win the game. 582 00:28:23,912 --> 00:28:29,293 Coming out of high school, I was player of the year in the state of Louisiana 583 00:28:29,293 --> 00:28:32,212 and I fell in love with Coach Eddie Robinson, 584 00:28:32,796 --> 00:28:36,175 who had been to New York and talked with Howard Cosell. 585 00:28:37,009 --> 00:28:39,052 And Howard Cosell asked him, 586 00:28:39,052 --> 00:28:43,557 "You produce so many professional players, why you can't produce a quarterback?" 587 00:28:44,224 --> 00:28:47,644 And that night, he came by my house and he said, 588 00:28:47,644 --> 00:28:49,897 "James, Howard Cosell said 589 00:28:49,897 --> 00:28:53,817 right now, America is not ready for a Black quarterback. 590 00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:59,740 But if you come to Grambling, in four years, you will be able to play." 591 00:29:03,577 --> 00:29:06,663 What was it like growing up in the Jim Crow South? 592 00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:12,252 [Harris] Well, I drank out the colored water fountain. 593 00:29:13,170 --> 00:29:15,047 I rode on the back of the bus. 594 00:29:16,048 --> 00:29:20,844 We used hand-me-down books, but we did get a good education. 595 00:29:21,637 --> 00:29:27,476 But our community was built on hard work, credit and prayer. 596 00:29:27,976 --> 00:29:29,770 Tell me a little bit about, you know, 597 00:29:29,770 --> 00:29:32,231 just going through the four years at Grambling 598 00:29:32,231 --> 00:29:36,151 and then getting ready for, you know, what Eddie Robinson said 599 00:29:36,151 --> 00:29:38,987 the world would be ready for in terms of a Black quarterback. 600 00:29:38,987 --> 00:29:41,949 [Harris] Coach said that I would get drafted high, 601 00:29:43,075 --> 00:29:46,036 but they called me and asked me to switch positions. 602 00:29:46,036 --> 00:29:50,457 I told them that I wanted to be a quarterback and I kept my word. 603 00:29:50,457 --> 00:29:52,251 I was not switching. 604 00:29:52,251 --> 00:29:56,672 But as we proceeded in the draft process and I got to Buffalo, 605 00:29:57,172 --> 00:30:00,092 I understood the reason why we wasn't playing quarterback. 606 00:30:00,717 --> 00:30:02,052 They said we weren't smart enough. 607 00:30:02,052 --> 00:30:06,098 They said we couldn't lead and they questioned our character. 608 00:30:06,098 --> 00:30:08,850 But when I got to Buffalo, I put all that behind me. 609 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:10,018 [crowd cheering] 610 00:30:11,061 --> 00:30:14,773 [Vick] Shack, you became the first Black quarterback to start a season, 611 00:30:14,773 --> 00:30:17,526 but why do you think it took so long? 612 00:30:17,526 --> 00:30:19,987 I think it's all about opportunity. 613 00:30:19,987 --> 00:30:23,949 National Football League wasn't ready for a Black quarterback 614 00:30:23,949 --> 00:30:25,701 but it pales in our society. 615 00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:33,208 It wasn't much I wasn't prepared for, except for fan mail. 616 00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:35,627 - I never thought about fan mail. - How was that? 617 00:30:35,627 --> 00:30:36,795 How was that, getting hate mail? 618 00:30:36,795 --> 00:30:40,257 It was a challenge because fan... hate mail, 619 00:30:40,257 --> 00:30:44,344 where they would draw a stick, put a noose around my neck, 620 00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:48,056 put me on a tree, different kinds of pictures. 621 00:30:48,807 --> 00:30:50,017 There were death threats. 622 00:30:50,851 --> 00:30:52,185 There'd be times at night 623 00:30:52,185 --> 00:30:57,649 and you wanna kinda look around to make sure and be very cautious at where you go. 624 00:30:57,649 --> 00:31:01,820 I mean, that was the kind of conditions that you had to kind of play through. 625 00:31:01,820 --> 00:31:07,451 The worst experience that I had was in LA when I got a death threat. 626 00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:09,119 I've gotten them before, 627 00:31:09,661 --> 00:31:13,248 but this was the first time that the security met me at the hotel. 628 00:31:14,291 --> 00:31:18,086 [Harris] And as I went to my room, my roommate was Ron Jaworski. 629 00:31:18,086 --> 00:31:21,590 He came in and I told Ron what was going on 630 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:22,549 - because they had... - Yeah. 631 00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:23,675 ...security outside the door. 632 00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:28,096 And getting to the game that day looking around while you warming up. 633 00:31:28,639 --> 00:31:30,098 That takes a little out of you. 634 00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:32,184 [crowd cheers] 635 00:31:32,184 --> 00:31:35,228 [Vick] How did that make you feel? Knowing that you had to go through that? 636 00:31:35,228 --> 00:31:39,274 Because you're just trying to, like, be the best football player that you can be 637 00:31:39,274 --> 00:31:42,361 but you dealing with all these things outside of football. 638 00:31:42,361 --> 00:31:45,489 The most challenging thing was trying to play perfect. 639 00:31:45,489 --> 00:31:47,115 - You can't make a mistake... - [mutters] Yeah. 640 00:31:47,115 --> 00:31:48,158 [Harris] ...playing quarterback. 641 00:31:48,158 --> 00:31:49,743 You need to be relaxed. 642 00:31:49,743 --> 00:31:54,081 I know Marlin Briscoe came and joined you guys for a while. 643 00:31:54,081 --> 00:31:56,083 Just talk about the ups and downs. 644 00:31:56,083 --> 00:32:00,337 How did you lean on Marlin, his experience, to-to help you? 645 00:32:00,337 --> 00:32:02,214 [Harris] I had a lot of respect for Marlin 646 00:32:02,214 --> 00:32:04,508 because when I was a junior in high school, 647 00:32:04,508 --> 00:32:07,386 he, Eldridge Dickey and Jimmy Raye were seniors. 648 00:32:07,386 --> 00:32:10,847 I used to go every Monday and look up their stats and follow them. 649 00:32:10,847 --> 00:32:14,101 It frustrated me when he didn't get a chance to play, 650 00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:18,980 but Marlin understood exactly what I was going through 651 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:20,440 - and we were able to have... - Mm-hmm. 652 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,693 ...some good conversations. 653 00:32:25,696 --> 00:32:27,739 I want to know what you gonna do about having 654 00:32:27,739 --> 00:32:31,785 more Black brothers as quarterbacks in the National Football Honky League. 655 00:32:32,869 --> 00:32:33,870 - Right on. - Yes. 656 00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:36,581 I plan not only to have lots of Black quarterbacks, 657 00:32:36,581 --> 00:32:39,042 but we're gonna have Black coaches and Black owners of teams. 658 00:32:39,042 --> 00:32:42,254 As long as there's gonna be football, gonna be some Black in it somewhere. 659 00:32:42,254 --> 00:32:43,714 [Reid] Right on. 660 00:32:47,884 --> 00:32:50,345 [Vick] Shack, you're the first Black quarterback 661 00:32:50,345 --> 00:32:52,305 to make the Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl MVP. 662 00:32:52,305 --> 00:32:54,891 You was paving the way for guys like myself, 663 00:32:54,891 --> 00:32:57,394 Doug Williams, guys who was to come. 664 00:32:57,394 --> 00:33:00,230 I played on a good team in LA and the Pro Bowl. 665 00:33:00,230 --> 00:33:02,441 Our staff was coaching it. 666 00:33:02,441 --> 00:33:05,527 And when I got there, I found out a lot of the players 667 00:33:05,527 --> 00:33:07,320 didn't get serious till the fourth quarter, 668 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,655 but I went there to win. 669 00:33:08,655 --> 00:33:11,283 I ended up the most valuable player. 670 00:33:14,035 --> 00:33:17,080 [Vick] You had an immaculate career at Grambling. 671 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,415 Shack, last question. 672 00:33:18,415 --> 00:33:21,710 Can you have the evolution of the Black quarterback 673 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:26,506 without yourself, without HBCUs, without Eddie Robinson? 674 00:33:27,257 --> 00:33:28,592 No. 675 00:33:28,592 --> 00:33:29,801 Walter Payton, 676 00:33:30,469 --> 00:33:34,473 who was one of the top three rushers in the history of the game, 677 00:33:34,473 --> 00:33:35,557 is from a HBCU. 678 00:33:35,557 --> 00:33:36,516 Yeah. 679 00:33:36,516 --> 00:33:40,687 Jerry Rice, some say the best receiver... 680 00:33:40,687 --> 00:33:42,814 - The best. The best. - ...that ever played the game. 681 00:33:42,814 --> 00:33:44,357 HBCU. 682 00:33:44,357 --> 00:33:47,444 Michael Strahan, HBCU. 683 00:33:47,444 --> 00:33:48,487 Deacon Jones 684 00:33:48,487 --> 00:33:49,738 - some people say... - Deacon Jones. 685 00:33:49,738 --> 00:33:54,618 [Harris] ...is the best pass rusher to ever play the game. HBCU. 686 00:33:54,618 --> 00:33:59,831 Doug Williams, Art Shell, Bob Hayes, Mel Blount. 687 00:33:59,831 --> 00:34:01,208 HBCU. 688 00:34:01,792 --> 00:34:06,963 {\an8}You can't have an evolution of football, period, without HBCUs. 689 00:34:10,801 --> 00:34:14,930 {\an8}Despite what some people in the country might tell you, 690 00:34:15,555 --> 00:34:18,934 {\an8}America has a problematic racial history. 691 00:34:19,684 --> 00:34:23,772 There was this big industry, way back in the day, and it was called slavery. 692 00:34:23,772 --> 00:34:25,398 I know that some people are gonna tell you 693 00:34:25,398 --> 00:34:27,442 that it never happened or that it was awesome. 694 00:34:27,442 --> 00:34:29,194 It was actually pretty bad. 695 00:34:32,155 --> 00:34:35,033 And one of the things that slavery encompassed 696 00:34:35,033 --> 00:34:39,871 was rules against teaching slaves, uh, how to read 697 00:34:39,871 --> 00:34:42,249 and against educating slaves. 698 00:34:48,964 --> 00:34:52,551 {\an8}Historically Black colleges and universities 699 00:34:52,551 --> 00:34:56,888 were founded just after the Civil War to help educate freed slaves. 700 00:34:57,973 --> 00:35:01,226 [Lathan] We wanted, as Black people, to be educated. 701 00:35:01,226 --> 00:35:04,980 We wanted to be equal parts a-and equal participants 702 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:07,941 in the American dream and the American experience. 703 00:35:07,941 --> 00:35:12,612 And there was no way to do that without having high-level education. 704 00:35:12,612 --> 00:35:14,614 We couldn't go to some of the other schools 705 00:35:14,614 --> 00:35:16,741 that were educating the rest of the minds in America. 706 00:35:16,741 --> 00:35:18,743 They weren't gonna let you in there. 707 00:35:22,789 --> 00:35:28,128 [Boyd] Schools in the South were segregated and didn't sign Black athletes. 708 00:35:28,128 --> 00:35:30,922 {\an8}For this reason, many of the great Black athletes 709 00:35:30,922 --> 00:35:34,509 {\an8}of a particular era went to HBCUs 710 00:35:34,509 --> 00:35:38,096 because that was, perhaps, the only option they had. 711 00:35:38,096 --> 00:35:42,601 Shortly thereafter the-the foundation of these institutions came athletics. 712 00:35:43,226 --> 00:35:46,938 {\an8}With the HBCU, the Black athlete had a chance to not just play football, 713 00:35:46,938 --> 00:35:50,984 {\an8}but to play whatever position they were skilled and prepared to play. 714 00:35:50,984 --> 00:35:53,320 And that included quarterback. 715 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,447 ["Watch Out Now" playing] 716 00:36:04,122 --> 00:36:05,248 Common, what's up, baby? 717 00:36:05,248 --> 00:36:07,751 - What's up, brother? How are you, man? - I'm good, man. How about you? 718 00:36:07,751 --> 00:36:08,835 I'm excellent. 719 00:36:08,835 --> 00:36:10,962 {\an8}- You look good. Thanks for joining me. - Great to see you, man. 720 00:36:10,962 --> 00:36:13,006 {\an8}Man, it's an honor, bro. For real, man. 721 00:36:13,006 --> 00:36:15,175 You mean a lot to me, to our culture. 722 00:36:15,175 --> 00:36:17,010 [Vick] And that's what we're gonna talk about 723 00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:19,888 from an entertainment standpoint, sports standpoint. 724 00:36:19,888 --> 00:36:21,681 - And get your take on it. - All right. Let's do it. 725 00:36:21,681 --> 00:36:23,141 ♪ Watch out now ♪ 726 00:36:27,604 --> 00:36:30,148 [Vick] I know you attended a HBCU, FAMU. 727 00:36:30,148 --> 00:36:32,067 Yes, sir. FAMU was everything 728 00:36:32,067 --> 00:36:33,735 because the Black college experience 729 00:36:33,735 --> 00:36:35,570 is just something that gives you self-empowerment. 730 00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:37,113 Yeah. I was gonna ask you about that. 731 00:36:37,113 --> 00:36:40,533 [Common] It gives you a sense of who you are on another level. 732 00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:42,369 My mother went to a HBCU. 733 00:36:42,369 --> 00:36:46,831 She went to Central State University and my father went to Wilberforce. 734 00:36:46,831 --> 00:36:48,166 How was the sports there? 735 00:36:48,166 --> 00:36:52,128 How was football and the culture ingrained into the student body? 736 00:36:52,128 --> 00:36:54,631 You know, coming from Chicago, I-I love hooping. 737 00:36:54,631 --> 00:36:59,594 But when I went down South, the culture at Black colleges was football. 738 00:37:00,387 --> 00:37:02,138 - Saturdays meant something. - [Vick] Yeah. 739 00:37:02,138 --> 00:37:04,307 [Common] The whole culture of the bands, the food. 740 00:37:04,307 --> 00:37:05,308 [Vick] Crazy. 741 00:37:05,308 --> 00:37:08,645 I really got, uh, immersed in-in-into football too. 742 00:37:08,645 --> 00:37:11,773 And learned more about Black colleges, 743 00:37:11,773 --> 00:37:12,983 culture and-and 744 00:37:12,983 --> 00:37:14,859 - the connection of football with that. - Yeah. 745 00:37:16,736 --> 00:37:19,239 [Vick] HBCUs had some amazing quarterbacks 746 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,283 from Steve McNair to Shack Harris to Doug Williams. 747 00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:26,579 When I say Doug Williams, like, what-what comes to your mind? 748 00:37:28,164 --> 00:37:30,291 {\an8}[Common] I hope this don't sound too much, 749 00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:34,087 {\an8}but I almost look at it like the first Black president. 750 00:37:34,087 --> 00:37:37,298 Doug Williams felt like the first Black quarterback. 751 00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:41,344 When I hear the term Black quarterback, I think of revolution. 752 00:37:41,928 --> 00:37:43,513 I think of progress. 753 00:37:43,513 --> 00:37:47,100 And I think of-of change like it's Black power in a way 754 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,269 from a representation of Black leadership. 755 00:37:50,061 --> 00:37:53,690 And I say progress because the NFL, much like America, 756 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:58,486 didn't see Black men as being the leaders that it takes to be a quarterback 757 00:37:58,486 --> 00:38:02,282 and-and America never saw Black men as being leaders 758 00:38:02,282 --> 00:38:04,909 in society and just in communities. 759 00:38:04,909 --> 00:38:06,494 That's been the change. 760 00:38:06,494 --> 00:38:08,663 That's been the-the example, 761 00:38:08,663 --> 00:38:11,666 that we've been able to see change in society, 762 00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:13,835 to set an example for people to understand 763 00:38:13,835 --> 00:38:16,212 that Black men can be leaders and great leaders. 764 00:38:16,212 --> 00:38:17,380 - Yeah. - Like... [chuckles] 765 00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:20,175 ...because some of the greatest quarterbacks are Black quarterbacks. 766 00:38:20,175 --> 00:38:22,343 {\an8}Doug Williams broke down the barriers. 767 00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:25,597 {\an8}He broke down those barriers by example. 768 00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:28,933 ["Kingdom" playing] 769 00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:30,769 I feel like we gotta have more conversation, man, 770 00:38:30,769 --> 00:38:32,437 and more dialogue on different levels. 771 00:38:32,437 --> 00:38:33,772 But I got one question. 772 00:38:33,772 --> 00:38:36,941 Common, I was one of the best freestylers on the field when it came to... 773 00:38:36,941 --> 00:38:39,110 You draw a play out for me, but then I can freestyle. 774 00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:41,196 ♪ Second row of the church With my hood on ♪ 775 00:38:41,196 --> 00:38:44,365 ♪ My homie used to rap He was about to get put on ♪ 776 00:38:44,365 --> 00:38:46,576 You're a hell of a freestyler. Hell of an artist. 777 00:38:46,576 --> 00:38:48,328 Like, when you putting those lyrics together... 778 00:38:48,328 --> 00:38:50,205 I know when I was doing my thing on the field, like... 779 00:38:50,205 --> 00:38:52,123 How you come up with the things to say, man, 780 00:38:52,123 --> 00:38:53,917 that just really resonate with people? 781 00:38:53,917 --> 00:38:56,377 ♪ My money ain't straight My fam ain't straight ♪ 782 00:38:56,377 --> 00:38:59,631 ♪ Ain't wanna push keys Heaven couldn't wait ♪ 783 00:38:59,631 --> 00:39:00,840 That's a great question. 784 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,550 And I never thought about it. 785 00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:05,178 - You were freestyling out there. We-We... - Yeah... [stammers] 786 00:39:05,178 --> 00:39:07,597 [Common] You prepared. You worked at the craft. 787 00:39:07,597 --> 00:39:09,557 - This is what you love. - Right. 788 00:39:09,557 --> 00:39:13,603 God has blessed you with a gift, like, and you develop that gift. 789 00:39:13,603 --> 00:39:17,190 But then you're able to be free enough in the mind 790 00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:21,402 and in-in your spirit and-and confident enough to be like... 791 00:39:21,402 --> 00:39:24,656 if something don't go this way, then I know how to make it go... 792 00:39:24,656 --> 00:39:26,366 - Yeah. - ...this way and get there. 793 00:39:26,366 --> 00:39:30,787 Obviously watching you, you brought, like, a whole lot of excitement. 794 00:39:30,787 --> 00:39:34,624 To watch you freestyle and have those talents to do it, 795 00:39:34,624 --> 00:39:36,793 that made the game more exciting for all of us, man. 796 00:39:36,793 --> 00:39:38,503 R-Right. That was more recognizable. Yeah. 797 00:39:38,503 --> 00:39:43,007 And it's funny because I've been in situations where the system then went out, 798 00:39:43,007 --> 00:39:44,467 - I just got a rhyme. - Yeah. 799 00:39:44,467 --> 00:39:47,262 And, man, one thing with Black quarterbacks, 800 00:39:47,262 --> 00:39:49,430 man, that's a gift to do what you're doing. 801 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:51,224 - Right. - You know, as much as it was like saying 802 00:39:51,224 --> 00:39:53,726 that we want a quarterback to stay in the pocket. 803 00:39:53,726 --> 00:39:56,479 It's like, no, the-the goal is to win. 804 00:39:56,479 --> 00:39:58,189 - Yeah, exactly. - The goal is to move forward... 805 00:39:58,189 --> 00:40:00,024 - Yeah. For sure. - ...and if you're moving forward, 806 00:40:00,024 --> 00:40:02,152 - like... and getting it done... - That's all that matters. 807 00:40:02,152 --> 00:40:03,194 ...that's what matters. 808 00:40:03,194 --> 00:40:05,238 [music continues] 809 00:40:07,115 --> 00:40:08,741 [music ends] 810 00:40:24,716 --> 00:40:26,634 {\an8}- Coach, how you doing? - Hey, Michael. 811 00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:28,094 {\an8}- Thank you for coming. - Good to see you. 812 00:40:28,094 --> 00:40:29,220 {\an8}- Thanks for having me. - Yeah. 813 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:32,557 [Vick] Amazing compound you got here. I look forward to learning more about it 814 00:40:32,557 --> 00:40:34,601 and, you know, spending some time talking about Doug. 815 00:40:34,601 --> 00:40:36,436 Doug Williams kept me in a job. 816 00:40:37,061 --> 00:40:39,772 Welcome to Joe Gibbs Racing. 817 00:40:39,772 --> 00:40:43,776 Any fans that visit, we tried to design it so they could see a lot. 818 00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:46,112 What's going on, baby? How y'all doing? 819 00:40:46,112 --> 00:40:48,907 Oh, man. You gotta be an athlete to get in here. 820 00:40:48,907 --> 00:40:51,576 Well, whoever's driving this car is way smaller than me. 821 00:40:51,576 --> 00:40:53,036 [crew members laugh] 822 00:40:53,036 --> 00:40:54,537 This car hard though. I like it. 823 00:40:57,290 --> 00:41:00,126 I wanna take it back to when you first met Doug 824 00:41:00,126 --> 00:41:02,378 and when you arrived on campus at Grambling. 825 00:41:02,378 --> 00:41:04,839 What did you see? And what was your first impression? 826 00:41:07,258 --> 00:41:08,843 [Gibbs] It was very unusual. 827 00:41:08,843 --> 00:41:12,263 I don't think I'd ever done that before or after, 828 00:41:12,263 --> 00:41:16,392 but Coach McKay said, "Look, there's a quarterback at Grambling. 829 00:41:16,392 --> 00:41:18,728 We got a first-round pick. 830 00:41:18,728 --> 00:41:21,522 Go find out everything you can about Doug." 831 00:41:22,398 --> 00:41:25,652 And so I go over there not knowing what's gonna happen. 832 00:41:25,652 --> 00:41:27,946 - Yeah. - And I spent three days with him, 833 00:41:27,946 --> 00:41:29,989 - he was teaching classes. - Okay. 834 00:41:29,989 --> 00:41:32,116 I was sat in the back of the room. [chuckles] 835 00:41:32,784 --> 00:41:34,535 And then afterwards we go to McDonald's 836 00:41:34,535 --> 00:41:38,373 and then we would get on the board and talk football. 837 00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:42,043 And I think I had a real good feeling for Doug, 838 00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:46,881 what kind of person he was and, you know, football smarts. 839 00:41:47,507 --> 00:41:52,053 So I go back to Coach and I said, "Hey, Coach, this guy is really..." 840 00:41:52,053 --> 00:41:55,014 - He got it. -"And I think if you do take him, 841 00:41:55,014 --> 00:41:58,434 I think we got a solid guy that could really do something special." 842 00:41:58,434 --> 00:42:03,273 So, Coach, prior to you guys taking Doug, 843 00:42:03,273 --> 00:42:07,235 why do you think there wasn't a lot of Black quarterbacks in the league? 844 00:42:07,235 --> 00:42:08,653 I have no idea. 845 00:42:09,696 --> 00:42:12,865 I don't know how something like that takes place 846 00:42:12,865 --> 00:42:16,286 where people just were hesitant or whatever. 847 00:42:16,286 --> 00:42:21,165 I'm just glad that I was a part of something that was totally different. 848 00:42:21,165 --> 00:42:27,630 {\an8}And you got Coach McKay who was a-- really a person that just looked at talent 849 00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:29,632 and was willing to say, 850 00:42:29,632 --> 00:42:31,926 -"Hey, go look at this guy." -"I don't see color." Yes. 851 00:42:31,926 --> 00:42:33,428 And then have enough guts to take him. 852 00:42:34,387 --> 00:42:36,639 Coach McKay stepped out and said, "We're doing this." 853 00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,183 You could immediately see the talent. 854 00:42:39,767 --> 00:42:42,895 We would be in practice, he would throw balls 855 00:42:42,895 --> 00:42:46,607 and the players would go like this, they would go, "Did you see that?" 856 00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:49,235 - [chuckles] Yeah. - I mean, this guy could throw it. 857 00:42:49,235 --> 00:42:50,695 - I mean, it was... - He had a missile. 858 00:42:50,695 --> 00:42:53,323 Immediately had a great presence and everything. 859 00:42:53,323 --> 00:42:56,367 I left after that year and then Doug went on 860 00:42:56,367 --> 00:42:57,618 - with Coach McKay... - Mm-hmm. 861 00:42:57,618 --> 00:42:59,787 - Yeah. Did some good things. - ...and they did some great things. 862 00:42:59,787 --> 00:43:02,498 [crowd cheering] 863 00:43:02,498 --> 00:43:04,667 [Vick] Speaking of that, you move on 864 00:43:04,667 --> 00:43:06,836 and, uh-- and get the job in Washington. 865 00:43:06,836 --> 00:43:10,631 And Doug moves on, go to the USFL, 866 00:43:11,132 --> 00:43:14,093 but he'd find his way back to you in Washington. 867 00:43:15,803 --> 00:43:18,681 [Gibbs] I love to have, uh, veteran backup. 868 00:43:18,681 --> 00:43:22,852 I always wanted somebody there that if you're in the playoffs or something, 869 00:43:22,852 --> 00:43:24,062 you get a quarterback hurt, 870 00:43:24,062 --> 00:43:26,898 you want somebody that could take over and take it. 871 00:43:26,898 --> 00:43:31,235 So that's how we got to Doug, thinking he's gonna be a backup 872 00:43:31,235 --> 00:43:34,947 and we go through that first year and he didn't play much. 873 00:43:34,947 --> 00:43:40,495 And then we got in a situation where the Raiders started talking about a trade. 874 00:43:41,204 --> 00:43:44,040 Doug. He wanted that, you know what I mean? 875 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,292 - He wanted to play and I said... - Right. 876 00:43:46,292 --> 00:43:50,421 ..."Doug, I really think you're gonna do something great for us." 877 00:43:50,922 --> 00:43:53,800 That wound up being the fantastic year. 878 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,678 [commentator] Loads it up, a home run ball. He's there! Touchdown! 879 00:43:58,930 --> 00:44:01,933 What prompted the decision to-to go with Doug 880 00:44:01,933 --> 00:44:04,060 late in the season f-for the playoffs? 881 00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:06,312 You know, those things are always... 882 00:44:06,312 --> 00:44:09,315 I think it's got to be a real feeling, a gut feeling. 883 00:44:09,315 --> 00:44:15,321 We came down towards the end of the year and Jay was a little off at times. 884 00:44:15,321 --> 00:44:19,117 We put Doug in, kind of a little bit back and forth. 885 00:44:19,117 --> 00:44:22,370 And then for the last game of the season, we put Doug in. 886 00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:25,665 And after that game, we all sat down as a staff and everything 887 00:44:25,665 --> 00:44:28,084 and said we need to go with Doug in the playoffs. 888 00:44:28,084 --> 00:44:31,462 - He's gonna guide us to the promised land. - [fan] Yes. Moses. 889 00:44:31,462 --> 00:44:33,047 Super Bowl XXII. 890 00:44:35,716 --> 00:44:37,510 [Menefee] Well, it was a big deal for Doug Williams 891 00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:40,638 to not only play in the Super Bowl, but just to get there. 892 00:44:40,638 --> 00:44:44,976 I mean, until he was drafted in the first round by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 893 00:44:44,976 --> 00:44:47,478 not only had there never been a Black quarterback 894 00:44:47,478 --> 00:44:49,814 drafted in the first round by the National Football League, 895 00:44:49,814 --> 00:44:51,983 there hadn't been one drafted above the sixth round. 896 00:44:51,983 --> 00:44:57,071 So for the Bucs to draft him 17th overall in the first round, it was a big deal. 897 00:44:57,864 --> 00:44:59,240 And that Buccaneers team started off, 898 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:01,492 they lost their first 26 games but he turned them around. 899 00:45:01,492 --> 00:45:04,036 And in their third year, NFC championship game. 900 00:45:04,036 --> 00:45:07,582 Then he found himself out of the National Football League. 901 00:45:08,499 --> 00:45:10,126 [Bell] Contract time. 902 00:45:10,126 --> 00:45:13,754 There was a major, major stalemate. 903 00:45:14,255 --> 00:45:17,133 {\an8}And Doug Williams ends up leaving Tampa 904 00:45:17,133 --> 00:45:22,680 and has to go to the USFL to continue his football career. 905 00:45:23,347 --> 00:45:24,474 You had the race factor 906 00:45:24,474 --> 00:45:30,229 where someone was not willing to pay a Black man his market value. 907 00:45:31,397 --> 00:45:36,194 There was no guarantee that Doug Williams was ever going to get back to the NFL. 908 00:45:36,694 --> 00:45:40,156 Just leading up to that week, I don't know if you can explain to people 909 00:45:40,656 --> 00:45:43,493 the feeling was palpable no matter where you were in the country. 910 00:45:44,619 --> 00:45:49,165 Just the excitement and the feeling of people wanting to see Doug Williams 911 00:45:49,165 --> 00:45:51,584 not only play in the Super Bowl but succeed. 912 00:45:51,584 --> 00:45:53,211 Particularly Black people. 913 00:45:54,629 --> 00:45:58,090 {\an8}That week, the hype around Doug was the first Black quarterback 914 00:45:58,090 --> 00:46:00,218 {\an8}to play in the Super Bowl. 915 00:46:00,218 --> 00:46:03,012 Some reporter asked Doug, 916 00:46:03,513 --> 00:46:06,349 "Have you always been a Black quarterback?" 917 00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:08,726 [reporter] Have you always been a Black quarterback, uh, Doug? 918 00:46:10,269 --> 00:46:13,689 [Boyd] So, to ask Doug Williams how long he had been a Black quarterback, 919 00:46:14,273 --> 00:46:16,776 {\an8}to me is sort of comical in its stupidity. 920 00:46:17,568 --> 00:46:22,031 But it also speaks to how unusual it was to have a Black quarterback 921 00:46:22,031 --> 00:46:25,326 starting for a team competing in the Super Bowl. 922 00:46:25,326 --> 00:46:26,744 And the Denver Broncos, by the way, 923 00:46:26,744 --> 00:46:29,413 were favored to win that game with John Elway. 924 00:46:29,914 --> 00:46:33,000 John Elway is significant in sports history for a lot of reasons. 925 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,254 He's significant because of his prodigious talent. 926 00:46:36,254 --> 00:46:39,048 Maybe the greatest sporting prospect at that time ever. 927 00:46:39,048 --> 00:46:41,801 Probably could have gone on and been a Hall of Famer in major league baseball, 928 00:46:41,801 --> 00:46:44,971 but he was also the quintessential golden boy. 929 00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:47,974 California kid. That matters. 930 00:46:47,974 --> 00:46:51,227 Handsome, blond kid. That matters. 931 00:46:51,227 --> 00:46:54,105 The talent and the game to back it up. 932 00:46:54,105 --> 00:46:55,690 That matters. 933 00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:59,569 {\an8}So what you essentially have in that Super Bowl game 934 00:46:59,569 --> 00:47:03,030 is Doug Williams playing the disruptor, 935 00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:05,658 not only to the Broncos' Super Bowl chances, 936 00:47:05,658 --> 00:47:11,247 he's playing the disruptor to the idea of the golden boy. 937 00:47:11,247 --> 00:47:14,542 And here is somebody who is decidedly not golden, 938 00:47:14,542 --> 00:47:19,005 we're talking about from Louisiana, from an HBCU. 939 00:47:19,005 --> 00:47:23,676 Someone whose career had tremendous ups and downs, 940 00:47:23,676 --> 00:47:25,553 be coming off the bench to do this. 941 00:47:25,553 --> 00:47:29,807 Elway went on to submit his golden boy status, 942 00:47:29,807 --> 00:47:31,976 but he didn't get it done that Sunday. 943 00:47:43,529 --> 00:47:44,739 [Vick] What's up, baby? 944 00:47:44,739 --> 00:47:48,618 [chuckles] Mike, what's happening, man? 945 00:47:48,618 --> 00:47:51,537 The house that Doug and Eddie built. 946 00:47:51,537 --> 00:47:54,206 [Williams] Hey, I-I-I was a layman. I just rolled the seat in there. 947 00:47:57,043 --> 00:47:59,378 You know, when you talk about this house, all Eddie Robinson. 948 00:47:59,378 --> 00:48:01,130 This is Eddie Robinson's vision. 949 00:48:01,130 --> 00:48:03,049 Unbelievable, man. 950 00:48:03,049 --> 00:48:05,885 So let me ask you this. What prompted you to play quarterback? 951 00:48:05,885 --> 00:48:06,927 You know, throw the pill? 952 00:48:08,471 --> 00:48:10,306 [Williams] When I was ninth grade, I was a little guy. 953 00:48:10,306 --> 00:48:12,683 - I was 5'5" in ninth grade. - That's little. I was bigger than you. 954 00:48:12,683 --> 00:48:14,935 - Yeah, in ninth-- [laughs] - [chuckles] 955 00:48:14,935 --> 00:48:19,482 Then going into my tenth-grade year, you know, I went up to 6 feet tall. 956 00:48:19,482 --> 00:48:22,610 By junior year, Coach put me in as quarterback that year. 957 00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:26,280 And I stayed there, and, you know, I was small in school. Wasn't recruited a lot. 958 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,617 {\an8}The SEC was not playing a Black quarterback. 959 00:48:29,617 --> 00:48:30,534 [Vick] Okay. 960 00:48:30,534 --> 00:48:32,912 [Williams] The only guy that had played in the SEC was Condredge Holloway, 961 00:48:32,912 --> 00:48:34,455 - who had played with Tennessee. - Right. 962 00:48:34,455 --> 00:48:36,499 [Williams] So schools like that didn't recruit me. 963 00:48:36,499 --> 00:48:38,167 But Jackson State, Tennessee State, 964 00:48:38,167 --> 00:48:41,671 Mississippi Valley, uh, Southern University, and Grambling. 965 00:48:41,671 --> 00:48:44,340 And, you know, every Sunday, Coach Rob was on TV. 966 00:48:44,340 --> 00:48:46,759 - [Vick] Right. Couldn't beat that. - All they did was win. 967 00:48:46,759 --> 00:48:48,511 And my mom, to be honest with you, 968 00:48:48,511 --> 00:48:51,055 is the reason why I ended up at Grambling. 969 00:48:51,055 --> 00:48:52,390 Mom like, "You gotta go." 970 00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:56,060 And Coach Rob, bless his soul, called my mom, 971 00:48:56,602 --> 00:48:58,104 - uh, late one night... - Yeah. 972 00:48:58,104 --> 00:49:00,606 ...and my mom came in and shook me and woke me up. 973 00:49:00,606 --> 00:49:02,942 She said, "Hey, you going to Grambling." 974 00:49:03,693 --> 00:49:04,694 - I said, "What?" -"What?" 975 00:49:04,694 --> 00:49:07,279 [Williams] She said, "I just got off the phone with Coach Robinson. 976 00:49:07,279 --> 00:49:09,240 - He said you're going to class..." - Mm-hmm. 977 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,575 [Williams] "...you gonna graduate, and you're gonna go to church." 978 00:49:11,575 --> 00:49:13,828 - [Vick] Mmm. - That's all they had to say. 979 00:49:13,828 --> 00:49:16,914 [Vick] And so, you-you going through this time playing quarterback, 980 00:49:16,914 --> 00:49:19,375 and you're starting to like it, and then you're looking around 981 00:49:19,375 --> 00:49:21,877 and you don't see nobody that look like you. 982 00:49:21,877 --> 00:49:25,297 So who was some of the quarterbacks that you idolized growing up? 983 00:49:25,297 --> 00:49:29,802 The guy that-that resonated with me more than anything is James "Shack" Harris. 984 00:49:29,802 --> 00:49:32,263 [commentator] Loads it up, throws down deep. 985 00:49:32,263 --> 00:49:33,305 Got it! Touchdown. 986 00:49:33,305 --> 00:49:35,057 [Williams] He had played here before me, 987 00:49:35,057 --> 00:49:37,309 and Shack Harris used to always come back. 988 00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:39,729 [Vick] Wow. So Shack was a big influence. 989 00:49:39,729 --> 00:49:42,940 I was lucky, you know. I got an older brother who I call my mentor. 990 00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:45,609 - But I got another brother, Shack Harris... - Yeah. 991 00:49:45,609 --> 00:49:46,861 - [Williams] ...who was my mentor. - Yeah. 992 00:49:46,861 --> 00:49:48,654 And that's why I'm going on this journey 993 00:49:48,654 --> 00:49:52,324 to talk about the evolution of the position. 994 00:49:52,324 --> 00:49:54,910 A lot of people come up to me and-and they say, 995 00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:57,455 "You changed the game." I'm like, "It wasn't me that changed the game. 996 00:49:57,455 --> 00:49:59,415 It was Moon, it was Donovan, it was Doug." 997 00:49:59,415 --> 00:50:03,127 And so, it-it's an opportunity for me to pay homage. 998 00:50:03,127 --> 00:50:06,255 But also to enlighten people on how we got to where we are today. 999 00:50:06,255 --> 00:50:08,466 [Williams] Right. Look around this league now. 1000 00:50:08,466 --> 00:50:13,095 I could be wrong, but the next five to six, seven years, 1001 00:50:13,095 --> 00:50:16,015 half of the quarterbacks in this league gonna be Black. 1002 00:50:16,015 --> 00:50:17,600 I like Brady. 1003 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,310 - I like Aaron Rodgers. - Yes. 1004 00:50:19,310 --> 00:50:22,354 But do the Black quarterback give me a special interest? Yeah. 1005 00:50:22,354 --> 00:50:23,856 - That's being honest. - Yeah. That's fair. 1006 00:50:23,856 --> 00:50:25,566 - There's a reason why though. - Right. 1007 00:50:25,566 --> 00:50:28,778 Because a long, long time ago, we all didn't have that opportunity to play. 1008 00:50:33,115 --> 00:50:35,075 When you watch the game today 1009 00:50:35,075 --> 00:50:38,954 and the quarterbacks, the Lamar Jacksons, the Jalen Hurtses, the Kyler Murrays, 1010 00:50:38,954 --> 00:50:40,247 what do you say to yourself 1011 00:50:40,247 --> 00:50:44,043 knowing that it's a totally different era than where you started? 1012 00:50:44,043 --> 00:50:46,545 [reporter] Coaches, most of whom are White, 1013 00:50:46,545 --> 00:50:51,509 seem to believe that Blacks are superior athletes but inferior thinkers. 1014 00:50:51,509 --> 00:50:54,053 [Williams] At the end of the day, when I came in, 1015 00:50:54,053 --> 00:50:59,725 every article that was written was always either Tampa's Black quarterback, 1016 00:50:59,725 --> 00:51:02,770 or Doug Williams, the Black quarterback of Tampa. 1017 00:51:02,770 --> 00:51:05,064 - That-That-That is just not involved now... - Right. 1018 00:51:05,064 --> 00:51:10,152 ...and when you see Jalen and Lamar and Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson, 1019 00:51:10,152 --> 00:51:13,322 now you got a chance. Just watch them play, man, 1020 00:51:13,322 --> 00:51:14,865 and see how they play. 1021 00:51:14,865 --> 00:51:17,952 It tells you that the old myth that there used to be, 1022 00:51:17,952 --> 00:51:19,954 we wasn't smart enough to play that position. 1023 00:51:19,954 --> 00:51:20,996 [Vick] Yeah. 1024 00:51:20,996 --> 00:51:24,250 These guys doing the same thing that anybody else has been doing for years. 1025 00:51:24,250 --> 00:51:28,254 It's just a matter of giving them an opportunity to get it done. 1026 00:51:28,254 --> 00:51:32,174 And so you was drafted in the first round to Tampa Bay. 1027 00:51:32,174 --> 00:51:34,593 A lot of people don't know, but that's history within itself. 1028 00:51:35,594 --> 00:51:38,764 [Williams] When I came out, I was the first... 17th pick in the first round, 1029 00:51:38,764 --> 00:51:40,349 but Tampa had the first pick. 1030 00:51:40,349 --> 00:51:42,768 - They traded to Houston... - Ah. 1031 00:51:42,768 --> 00:51:46,272 [Williams] ...'cause they knew, back in 1978, they knew. 1032 00:51:46,272 --> 00:51:48,941 Nobody was going to draft a Black quarterback in the first round. 1033 00:51:48,941 --> 00:51:51,610 So they took their chances, and I was sitting there when they picked, 1034 00:51:51,610 --> 00:51:53,487 which was all right with me. 1035 00:51:53,487 --> 00:51:54,780 Man asked Coach Robinson, 1036 00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:59,451 "What do you think it's gonna take for Doug Williams to succeed in the NFL?" 1037 00:51:59,451 --> 00:52:01,453 An opportunity to play. 1038 00:52:01,453 --> 00:52:02,371 Just a chance. 1039 00:52:02,371 --> 00:52:03,622 And didn't say nothing else. 1040 00:52:03,622 --> 00:52:05,291 - That was it. That resonated. - [chuckling] 1041 00:52:05,291 --> 00:52:06,584 [both chuckling] 1042 00:52:07,251 --> 00:52:10,254 [Williams] Joe Gibbs, well, he was working at Tampa at that time 1043 00:52:10,254 --> 00:52:13,424 and told John McKay that if we wanted a franchise quarterback, 1044 00:52:13,424 --> 00:52:14,967 we gotta draft the kid out of Grambling. 1045 00:52:14,967 --> 00:52:16,343 Let me say this. 1046 00:52:16,343 --> 00:52:19,972 John McKay didn't c-care anything about the color of your skin. 1047 00:52:19,972 --> 00:52:21,682 It was about the athlete. 1048 00:52:21,682 --> 00:52:23,559 ["Old Landmark" playing] 1049 00:52:25,144 --> 00:52:26,896 - ♪ Now let us all ♪ - ♪ All go back ♪ 1050 00:52:26,896 --> 00:52:28,606 - ♪ Back to the old ♪ - ♪ Old landmark ♪ 1051 00:52:28,606 --> 00:52:29,940 [commentator 1] Can you believe it? 1052 00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:32,026 - ♪ Go back to the old ♪ - ♪ Old landmark ♪ 1053 00:52:32,026 --> 00:52:33,068 Could you play? 1054 00:52:33,652 --> 00:52:35,404 - ♪ Go back to the old landmark ♪ - ♪ Old landmark ♪ 1055 00:52:35,404 --> 00:52:38,532 ♪ Then we'll stay In the service of the lord ♪ 1056 00:52:38,532 --> 00:52:40,284 - ♪ Now let us kneel ♪ - ♪ Kneel and pray ♪ 1057 00:52:40,284 --> 00:52:42,328 - ♪ Kneel in the old ♪ - ♪ Old time way ♪ 1058 00:52:42,328 --> 00:52:46,165 Five years that I spent with John McKay was five great years. 1059 00:52:46,165 --> 00:52:47,291 ♪ Kneel and pray ♪ 1060 00:52:47,291 --> 00:52:49,043 - ♪ In the old time way ♪ - ♪ Old time way ♪ 1061 00:52:49,043 --> 00:52:50,502 - ♪ He will hear us and be ♪ - ♪ Hear us ♪ 1062 00:52:50,502 --> 00:52:52,087 ♪ We'll be given bread from heaven ♪ 1063 00:52:52,087 --> 00:52:55,090 ♪ He will feed us until we want no more ♪ 1064 00:52:55,090 --> 00:52:56,300 ♪ Preachers preach ♪ 1065 00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:58,844 [commentator 2] He's got some room. Gets a good block and in! 1066 00:52:58,844 --> 00:53:00,179 Dougie! 1067 00:53:00,179 --> 00:53:02,973 [commentator 2] Threw a bullet into the end zone. Caught! Touchdown! 1068 00:53:02,973 --> 00:53:05,225 Holy moly. 1069 00:53:05,225 --> 00:53:06,894 ♪ Sons and daughters buried in the water ♪ 1070 00:53:06,894 --> 00:53:08,562 ♪ Coming up shouting Nobody doubting ♪ 1071 00:53:08,562 --> 00:53:11,941 - ♪ Everybody ♪ - ♪ Happy in the service of the lord ♪ 1072 00:53:11,941 --> 00:53:13,943 - [vocalizes] - ♪ All go back ♪ 1073 00:53:13,943 --> 00:53:15,277 [music ends] 1074 00:53:16,403 --> 00:53:20,324 [Vick] Still, going through those times, you got hate mail. 1075 00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:23,327 [Williams] It wasn't easy. When you're young, you don't know. 1076 00:53:23,327 --> 00:53:25,746 You open them and no address on it. 1077 00:53:25,746 --> 00:53:27,623 They say all types of things. 1078 00:53:27,623 --> 00:53:30,751 And there was a box that was, I mean, nicely wrapped. 1079 00:53:30,751 --> 00:53:33,545 I don't know who would spend that kind of time wrapping this box, man. 1080 00:53:33,545 --> 00:53:35,965 And I opened it, and-and lo and behold, 1081 00:53:35,965 --> 00:53:40,010 I opened this box, a rotten watermelon and a note that say, 1082 00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:43,722 "Throw this to these N's." [stammers] "They should catch this." 1083 00:53:43,722 --> 00:53:47,142 And that was the-the thing that took-- broke the camel's back. 1084 00:53:47,142 --> 00:53:51,146 From then on, if it was a no address, no return address, I didn't even open it. 1085 00:53:51,146 --> 00:53:52,272 I threw it in the trash can. 1086 00:53:52,272 --> 00:53:53,691 My dad always told me, 1087 00:53:53,691 --> 00:53:58,278 "You got to be a couple of steps ahead of the other guy to get a chance to play." 1088 00:53:58,278 --> 00:54:00,364 - Yeah. - So I felt like everywhere I've been, 1089 00:54:00,364 --> 00:54:03,117 I was probably twice better than the other guy, 1090 00:54:03,117 --> 00:54:04,660 I got a chance to shine. 1091 00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:05,911 John McKay was that guy. 1092 00:54:05,911 --> 00:54:09,456 [stammers] Joe Gibbs was that guy, and I appreciate both of those guys 1093 00:54:09,456 --> 00:54:13,252 for-for looking at it and understanding that he's the best talent. 1094 00:54:13,252 --> 00:54:15,295 - That he needs to play. - [Vick] Right. 1095 00:54:17,881 --> 00:54:18,924 You mentioned Coach Gibbs. 1096 00:54:18,924 --> 00:54:21,593 So I just wanna know a little bit more about that relationship. 1097 00:54:21,593 --> 00:54:24,555 The reason why I ended up in Washington was because of Joe Gibbs. 1098 00:54:25,389 --> 00:54:30,144 I went to the USFL. When the USFL folded, I got one phone call. 1099 00:54:30,144 --> 00:54:31,770 - Yeah. That was Joe. - Joe Gibbs. 1100 00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:35,816 He asked me, could I come to-to Washington to be the backup quarterback? 1101 00:54:35,816 --> 00:54:38,986 So I ended up in Washington in 1986. 1102 00:54:38,986 --> 00:54:40,571 - [stammers] - That's it. 1103 00:54:40,571 --> 00:54:43,991 And you get to Washington in 1986. Jay Schroeder's the starter. 1104 00:54:43,991 --> 00:54:45,868 You come in with a mind-set. 1105 00:54:45,868 --> 00:54:50,289 How did you end up on the field and ultimately in the Super Bowl? 1106 00:54:50,289 --> 00:54:53,792 [Williams] I played one game in 1986. I threw one pass. 1107 00:54:53,792 --> 00:54:56,962 That was another game. In the championship game against the New York Giants, 1108 00:54:56,962 --> 00:54:59,548 Lawrence Taylor came off the edge, and hit Jay Schroeder. 1109 00:55:00,132 --> 00:55:03,385 [commentator 1] Schroeder down on one knee. 1110 00:55:03,385 --> 00:55:05,137 Coach Gibbs was gonna put me in the game. 1111 00:55:05,137 --> 00:55:07,723 So I ran halfway out on the field. 1112 00:55:07,723 --> 00:55:11,060 I'll never forget this, and I looked up, Jay Schroeder waved me off, 1113 00:55:11,060 --> 00:55:12,019 - told me to get back... - [sighs] 1114 00:55:12,019 --> 00:55:13,812 - ...and I did a U-turn. - One of those. 1115 00:55:13,812 --> 00:55:17,357 [commentator 1] Schroeder waved him off and said, "Get out of here. I'm okay." 1116 00:55:17,858 --> 00:55:20,778 [Williams] That was the worst moment of my whole football career. 1117 00:55:20,778 --> 00:55:22,946 '87, the next season came up. 1118 00:55:22,946 --> 00:55:25,699 The first game of the year, he got hurt. 1119 00:55:25,699 --> 00:55:28,077 And I came off the bench, and we beat Philadelphia, 1120 00:55:28,077 --> 00:55:30,162 - like, 34-24. - [Vick] Yeah. 1121 00:55:30,162 --> 00:55:31,872 [commentator 2] Touchdown, Washington Redskins. 1122 00:55:31,872 --> 00:55:33,999 [commentator 3] Oh, he threaded the needle right there. 1123 00:55:33,999 --> 00:55:37,836 [Williams] And I guess the legend of Doug Williams was beginning to be born. 1124 00:55:38,545 --> 00:55:40,047 We played up at Minnesota. 1125 00:55:40,047 --> 00:55:43,509 The last game of the year, December 26th, and we was behind. 1126 00:55:43,509 --> 00:55:44,718 Coach Gibbs put me in. 1127 00:55:44,718 --> 00:55:46,220 I hit Ricky Sanders, 1128 00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:49,056 and we ended up kicking a field goal and winning that game. 1129 00:55:49,056 --> 00:55:50,015 [teammates cheering] 1130 00:55:50,015 --> 00:55:51,350 [Gibbs] Way to go, man. 1131 00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:52,601 Way to go, Douglas. 1132 00:55:52,601 --> 00:55:55,270 And after the game, Coach Gibbs's press conference, 1133 00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:58,440 nobody had an idea, and he said that 1134 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,151 his starting quarterback for the playoffs was going to be Doug Williams. 1135 00:56:01,151 --> 00:56:02,736 - So everybody was shocked. - Statement. 1136 00:56:02,736 --> 00:56:04,738 [Williams] Everybody was shocked. 1137 00:56:05,572 --> 00:56:07,908 [Vick] And so, you're going through this time, 1138 00:56:07,908 --> 00:56:09,409 you get to the Super Bowl. 1139 00:56:09,409 --> 00:56:10,828 Take us through that week. 1140 00:56:10,828 --> 00:56:12,704 What's going through your head, Doug? 1141 00:56:12,704 --> 00:56:15,124 'Cause now this is a big moment. You making history. 1142 00:56:15,124 --> 00:56:16,834 Very big moment, man. 1143 00:56:16,834 --> 00:56:19,837 That whole week was a week where everybody, these reporters, 1144 00:56:19,837 --> 00:56:22,005 - everybody camping out to get a story. - Right. 1145 00:56:22,005 --> 00:56:24,383 And the story that week was the Black quarterback... 1146 00:56:24,383 --> 00:56:25,843 - [Vick] Right. - ...Doug Williams. 1147 00:56:27,386 --> 00:56:29,054 I wouldn't even come out of my room. 1148 00:56:29,054 --> 00:56:32,432 Jimmie Giles, my teammate in Tampa, called me one night. 1149 00:56:32,432 --> 00:56:34,852 He said, "Hey, let's go to dinner." I said, "Man, I ain't coming out there. 1150 00:56:34,852 --> 00:56:36,436 I don't want to be dealing with the media." 1151 00:56:36,436 --> 00:56:37,896 - Right, right, right. - Saturday morning, 1152 00:56:37,896 --> 00:56:41,066 I woke up, and I had a toothache and I couldn't go, man. 1153 00:56:41,066 --> 00:56:43,652 He said, "Hey, you gotta do a root canal." 1154 00:56:43,652 --> 00:56:47,072 - [groans] So the day before the game? - Saturday, the day before the game, man. 1155 00:56:47,072 --> 00:56:50,117 I sat in the... sat in the seat for four hours and had a four-hour root canal. 1156 00:56:50,117 --> 00:56:53,745 I woke up the next morning, felt no pain. 1157 00:56:53,745 --> 00:56:54,830 - Wow. - None. 1158 00:56:55,497 --> 00:56:56,999 Man, I-I could not believe it. 1159 00:56:56,999 --> 00:57:00,043 I got on that bus and going into San Diego, 1160 00:57:00,043 --> 00:57:02,087 going out to Jack Murphy Stadium, man. 1161 00:57:03,005 --> 00:57:06,383 And so many things was going through my mind as to how did I get here? 1162 00:57:06,383 --> 00:57:07,509 The people that I had to thank 1163 00:57:07,509 --> 00:57:08,719 - for getting me here... - I can only imagine. 1164 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,388 ...and the people I had to tell which way to go. 1165 00:57:11,388 --> 00:57:12,890 - Right. Right. Right. - [laughs] 1166 00:57:13,807 --> 00:57:17,186 [reporter] Doug Williams, he is a man about to step solidly 1167 00:57:17,186 --> 00:57:20,606 into the pages of social history today. 1168 00:57:20,606 --> 00:57:22,357 [Vick] Man, that had to have been an exciting moment. 1169 00:57:22,357 --> 00:57:24,026 I'm seven years old, I watched the game. 1170 00:57:24,026 --> 00:57:25,110 You light it up. 1171 00:57:25,110 --> 00:57:27,821 [commentator 1] Williams going up top, got Sanders on the fly at midfield. 1172 00:57:27,821 --> 00:57:30,949 He's gone. Touchdown, Washington Redskins! 1173 00:57:30,949 --> 00:57:34,745 [Vick] Went down ten, came back and scored maybe 45 unanswered. 1174 00:57:34,745 --> 00:57:37,915 - [commentator 1] He's got it. Touchdown! - [commentator 2] In the clear at the ten. 1175 00:57:37,915 --> 00:57:40,542 Touchdown, Washington Redskins! 1176 00:57:40,542 --> 00:57:43,337 [commentator 3] We are seeing a virtuoso performance. 1177 00:57:43,337 --> 00:57:46,465 Doug Williams, he is having a dream day for a quarterback. 1178 00:57:46,465 --> 00:57:48,675 This is history in the making. 1179 00:57:48,675 --> 00:57:51,261 [commentator 4] The first Black quarterback to win a Super Bowl. 1180 00:57:51,261 --> 00:57:54,181 I hope he puts to bed once and for all 1181 00:57:54,181 --> 00:57:57,559 about the Black athlete in professional football. 1182 00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:00,520 - When it was over, to walk off that field... - Yeah. 1183 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,523 - ...with my hand held high in the air... - Yeah. 1184 00:58:03,523 --> 00:58:06,485 [Williams] ...man, so many things was going across my mind. 1185 00:58:07,277 --> 00:58:10,656 You talk about the Super Bowl. It ain't about me and my family. 1186 00:58:10,656 --> 00:58:12,991 It's about everywhere I go, people always say, 1187 00:58:12,991 --> 00:58:14,618 - [Vick] Yeah. -"Man, I remember that day." 1188 00:58:15,953 --> 00:58:18,288 [Vick] Doug, why is winning the Super Bowl, 1189 00:58:18,288 --> 00:58:21,375 to this day, still so important for you? 1190 00:58:21,375 --> 00:58:26,213 Well, not only for me, but I think for the National Football League. 1191 00:58:26,213 --> 00:58:31,468 The impact of a Black man getting a chance to start in the Super Bowl, 1192 00:58:31,468 --> 00:58:34,429 win the Super Bowl and MVP. 1193 00:58:34,429 --> 00:58:37,933 If they write a story on the National Football League, 1194 00:58:37,933 --> 00:58:39,726 could they leave you out of it? 1195 00:58:40,477 --> 00:58:42,312 - No. - That's the impact. 1196 00:58:42,312 --> 00:58:44,106 - Wow. - That's the impact. 1197 00:58:44,106 --> 00:58:45,816 - That sums it up right there. - Yeah. 1198 00:58:45,816 --> 00:58:48,068 Wow, that sums it up. That's amazing. 1199 00:58:49,027 --> 00:58:52,114 [Vick] Sometimes a myth sticks until it gets shattered. 1200 00:58:52,781 --> 00:58:57,452 The fact is, you can break the history of the NFL down into two eras. 1201 00:58:57,953 --> 00:59:01,540 Before Doug Williams, many thought Black men couldn't play quarterback. 1202 00:59:02,541 --> 00:59:06,461 After Doug Williams, things would never be the same. 1203 00:59:06,461 --> 00:59:08,463 [crowd chanting] We want Doug! We want Doug!