1 00:00:07,633 --> 00:00:11,303 I had just graduated in May. 2 00:00:11,303 --> 00:00:17,935 And I was thinking, what job should I start looking for? 3 00:00:17,935 --> 00:00:20,229 Where should I start looking for work? 4 00:00:20,229 --> 00:00:23,273 Should I start thinking about graduate school? 5 00:00:23,273 --> 00:00:26,902 And I was ready to make these plans. 6 00:00:26,902 --> 00:00:30,113 But I also knew that the police wanted 7 00:00:30,113 --> 00:00:33,158 to come after me for murder. 8 00:00:33,158 --> 00:00:36,078 The grand jury indicted Kaitlyn Conley 9 00:00:36,078 --> 00:00:38,789 on a charge of murder in the second degree. 10 00:00:38,789 --> 00:00:41,166 It was--you know, it's a very serious charge. 11 00:00:41,166 --> 00:00:42,793 You can't get much more serious than murder 12 00:00:42,793 --> 00:00:44,628 in the second degree. 13 00:00:44,628 --> 00:00:50,425 My attorney, Chris, called me on June 13th 14 00:00:50,425 --> 00:00:52,803 and said that you have 30 minutes 15 00:00:52,803 --> 00:00:55,514 to get to the police station. 16 00:00:55,514 --> 00:00:57,808 The first time I think the two of us realized, 17 00:00:57,808 --> 00:01:00,602 wow, uh, this is a murder indictment. 18 00:01:00,602 --> 00:01:02,020 This is real. 19 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:05,857 So it was a time for confession. 20 00:01:05,857 --> 00:01:11,446 I said, Katie, what's going on? 21 00:01:11,446 --> 00:01:13,407 Did you kill Mary Yoder? 22 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:17,160 Quiet. 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,371 Too quiet. 24 00:01:19,371 --> 00:01:24,084 And she says, Mom, Dad, you know me. 25 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:27,629 All I want-- 26 00:01:27,629 --> 00:01:30,716 a little house, a husband. 27 00:01:30,716 --> 00:01:31,883 Get married and children. 28 00:01:31,883 --> 00:01:34,136 Get married and one or two kids. 29 00:01:34,136 --> 00:01:40,100 So why would I jeopardize that when that's all I want? 30 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:41,351 I was targeted. 31 00:01:41,351 --> 00:01:44,271 And I was a scapegoat in all this. 32 00:01:44,271 --> 00:01:47,566 And they took me down. 33 00:01:53,113 --> 00:02:00,120 ♪ ♪ 34 00:02:19,765 --> 00:02:23,560 ♪ ♪ 35 00:02:40,452 --> 00:02:45,457 After I was indicted, I was out on bail. 36 00:02:45,457 --> 00:02:47,376 And then they put me under house arrest. 37 00:02:47,376 --> 00:02:50,420 So I couldn't leave my house. 38 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:54,257 They so strongly and firmly believed that I'm guilty. 39 00:02:54,257 --> 00:02:57,594 And I'd like to know why they think that. 40 00:03:03,558 --> 00:03:06,561 We were convinced that we had the right person. 41 00:03:06,561 --> 00:03:09,856 But you still have to put the physical evidence 42 00:03:09,856 --> 00:03:11,733 to that person. 43 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:14,653 So the colchicine bottle became the most vital piece 44 00:03:14,653 --> 00:03:16,988 of information we had at the time. 45 00:03:16,988 --> 00:03:18,740 It became clear that that colchicine 46 00:03:18,740 --> 00:03:20,492 was ordered out of California. 47 00:03:22,035 --> 00:03:25,163 I randomly receive a phone call 48 00:03:25,163 --> 00:03:29,167 from a detective from Utica. 49 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:31,670 I started thinking like, you know, what happened? 50 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:34,756 What's going on? What did I do wrong? 51 00:03:34,756 --> 00:03:37,551 He wanted to ask me a few questions 52 00:03:37,551 --> 00:03:39,845 about a product that I sold. 53 00:03:39,845 --> 00:03:41,930 They told me that the colchicine 54 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:44,683 was being investigated in a murder case. 55 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:46,268 I'm like, WTF? 56 00:03:46,268 --> 00:03:48,311 Like, what's going on here? 57 00:03:48,311 --> 00:03:50,313 There was leads out there that we believed 58 00:03:50,313 --> 00:03:53,483 we could dig deeper into by traveling to California. 59 00:03:53,483 --> 00:03:55,735 So myself and another investigator 60 00:03:55,735 --> 00:03:59,114 made the trip out there to speak with Rosa Vargas. 61 00:03:59,114 --> 00:04:03,118 I told the detective about the email listed 62 00:04:03,118 --> 00:04:05,495 on the order that was placed, 63 00:04:05,495 --> 00:04:10,292 which is mradamyoder1990@gmail.com. 64 00:04:13,545 --> 00:04:15,714 When we sat with Rosa and started going over 65 00:04:15,714 --> 00:04:17,841 the emails back and forth of this, 66 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:20,093 I couldn't believe, you know, what she was telling me. 67 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:25,432 I tried reaching Adam Yoder, 68 00:04:25,432 --> 00:04:31,062 but the person I spoke to, uh, that answered the call, uh, 69 00:04:31,062 --> 00:04:36,276 she seemed to be a young female with a very soft voice. 70 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:39,571 I knew 110% who the girl was that Rosa was referring to-- 71 00:04:39,571 --> 00:04:42,991 a soft-spoken female voice at the other end of the line. 72 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:45,035 It was Katie Conley. 73 00:04:46,828 --> 00:04:49,790 She was really polite, was really nice. 74 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:54,336 She knew exactly what I was referring to. 75 00:04:54,336 --> 00:04:57,297 I can't explain it in details, but it's the sense 76 00:04:57,297 --> 00:05:00,884 that you get that she was a bit nervous 77 00:05:00,884 --> 00:05:05,889 and trying to end the call fast. 78 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:18,109 I have never spoken to Rosa Vargas. 79 00:05:18,109 --> 00:05:23,532 And I would bet the key to the front gate 80 00:05:23,532 --> 00:05:27,244 that Rosa Vargas never called the office. 81 00:05:27,244 --> 00:05:31,748 They never got phone records for the office 82 00:05:31,748 --> 00:05:33,834 where allegedly she called. 83 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:35,627 So you could have verified this. 84 00:05:35,627 --> 00:05:38,672 We could have known for sure. 85 00:05:38,672 --> 00:05:39,965 But they didn't. 86 00:05:42,551 --> 00:05:44,553 The important thing about 87 00:05:44,553 --> 00:05:48,390 the Mr. Adam Yoder Gmail account is, 88 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:52,102 one of the times when information was sent 89 00:05:52,102 --> 00:05:55,647 to a chemical company, 90 00:05:55,647 --> 00:05:59,067 it was logged into from Kaitlyn Conley's residence 91 00:05:59,067 --> 00:06:02,112 and from Kaitlyn Conley's iPhone. 92 00:06:05,699 --> 00:06:08,660 Digital forensics, they don't lie. 93 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:11,788 So here is someone in Katie's house-- 94 00:06:11,788 --> 00:06:14,624 Katie--ordering colchicine. 95 00:06:16,835 --> 00:06:18,920 She did it. 96 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,382 ♪ ♪ 97 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:26,136 Maybe yes, I was in the wrong place 98 00:06:26,136 --> 00:06:27,929 at the wrong times. 99 00:06:27,929 --> 00:06:31,224 But I didn't do anything wrong. 100 00:06:37,105 --> 00:06:39,399 Pretty sure I'm not lying about this stuff. 101 00:06:47,616 --> 00:06:49,868 During the months before the trial, 102 00:06:49,868 --> 00:06:51,536 we just wanted to focus on the case 103 00:06:51,536 --> 00:06:54,247 and focus on getting the evidence in there 104 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:57,959 and hope that it was enough to get a conviction. 105 00:06:57,959 --> 00:06:59,878 I mean, we talked to past boyfriends, 106 00:06:59,878 --> 00:07:01,463 people who knew her from school. 107 00:07:01,463 --> 00:07:03,256 I mean, there was just-- we started to learn 108 00:07:03,256 --> 00:07:04,883 there's another side to Kaitlyn Conley. 109 00:07:59,354 --> 00:08:01,022 Okay, thank you. 110 00:08:10,657 --> 00:08:15,829 No, I didn't really date other people. 111 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:17,831 I wasn't big on the dating scene. 112 00:08:28,633 --> 00:08:30,301 No. No. 113 00:08:30,301 --> 00:08:35,765 I--even my other relationships, 114 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:41,646 I didn't have dramatic or contentious breakups. 115 00:08:41,646 --> 00:08:45,316 You know, I'm a pretty relaxed kind of person, I think. 116 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:50,030 When Katie was indicted, 117 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:52,532 at first, me and my sister were just kind of in disbelief. 118 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:54,200 Like, how could Katie have done this? 119 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,953 Katie, really? Like, this is crazy. 120 00:08:56,953 --> 00:08:59,622 And--and then Adam was just kind of like, 121 00:08:59,622 --> 00:09:03,084 well, you guys don't really know the real Katie. 122 00:09:03,084 --> 00:09:05,420 We found out that Katie had 123 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:09,924 filed a police report a year prior to my mom passing. 124 00:09:09,924 --> 00:09:14,512 Now, at the time, technically, they apparently were broken up, 125 00:09:14,512 --> 00:09:17,015 but in that contained an allegation 126 00:09:17,015 --> 00:09:19,184 that my brother had sexually assaulted her. 127 00:09:21,144 --> 00:09:23,688 This was a surprise to all of us. 128 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:27,859 That's when we were also told that my brother 129 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:29,319 had received a phone call 130 00:09:29,319 --> 00:09:31,738 that she made from the police station. 131 00:10:05,313 --> 00:10:06,397 When that phone call was over, 132 00:10:06,397 --> 00:10:07,941 Katie had indicated that 133 00:10:07,941 --> 00:10:09,859 she didn't want any criminal action taken. 134 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:13,863 The sheriff's office asked 135 00:10:13,863 --> 00:10:17,158 if anything on any of the devices 136 00:10:17,158 --> 00:10:19,035 supported this allegation. 137 00:10:19,035 --> 00:10:23,623 Kaitlyn Conley provides to the sheriff's office 138 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:25,834 printed pictures of injuries 139 00:10:25,834 --> 00:10:28,169 that she sustained during this attack. 140 00:10:31,297 --> 00:10:34,884 I was able to find those pictures on her cell phone. 141 00:10:36,928 --> 00:10:39,848 The problem is they were taken, in some cases, 142 00:10:39,848 --> 00:10:43,852 years prior to the date of the alleged sexual assault. 143 00:10:47,355 --> 00:10:52,235 And they appear to be taken in relationship to an accident 144 00:10:52,235 --> 00:10:54,487 she had while horseback riding. 145 00:10:58,074 --> 00:10:59,993 I do not believe-- 146 00:10:59,993 --> 00:11:01,369 and there is not one shred of evidence 147 00:11:01,369 --> 00:11:04,497 other than her word, which, to me, is worth nothing-- 148 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:09,752 that he sexually-- ever sexually assaulted her. 149 00:11:09,752 --> 00:11:11,796 And it was just insane to us. 150 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:14,924 Like, you're trying to, like, make up this rape allegation, 151 00:11:14,924 --> 00:11:17,719 get him arrested, but you went out in the parking lot 152 00:11:17,719 --> 00:11:20,054 and immediately asked him to get together. 153 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:26,728 She was the one that continuously 154 00:11:26,728 --> 00:11:29,314 reached out to him, texted him. 155 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,194 She clearly had him fooled and manipulated 156 00:11:35,194 --> 00:11:40,867 and so many crazy red flags that he didn't know. 157 00:11:40,867 --> 00:11:42,285 Of course. 158 00:11:42,285 --> 00:11:45,496 Young--young and in love. 159 00:11:47,749 --> 00:11:53,004 Months before Mary's murder, they break up. 160 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:56,883 Adam's completely done with her. 161 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:59,969 And she understands it this time. 162 00:11:59,969 --> 00:12:02,055 He makes it very clear to her. 163 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:07,352 We've all had breakups. 164 00:12:07,352 --> 00:12:08,811 You break up with your boyfriend, 165 00:12:08,811 --> 00:12:11,439 you cry, you go out, 166 00:12:11,439 --> 00:12:13,524 you talk to your friends. 167 00:12:16,653 --> 00:12:18,988 How could their young relationship 168 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:23,076 have turned into something so incredibly ugly 169 00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:27,455 where she then went after my mom? 170 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:30,833 Was my mom just collateral damage? 171 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:33,294 Was there not even a point to it 172 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:36,089 other than, let me try to get at Adam? 173 00:12:41,302 --> 00:12:42,720 It was a big news story around here. 174 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,722 A lot of people-- a lot of people talk. 175 00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:49,268 A lot of people say innocent, but a lot of people say guilty. 176 00:12:49,268 --> 00:12:50,895 It's kind of 50/50. 177 00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:55,024 But I believe that police have done a fantastic job. 178 00:12:55,024 --> 00:12:59,153 I think--I think she's guilty. 179 00:12:59,153 --> 00:13:01,948 I'm still in disbelief. 180 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:05,702 I don't wanna believe it, you know. 181 00:13:05,702 --> 00:13:08,371 Hopefully they prove her innocence. 182 00:13:08,371 --> 00:13:11,290 Guilty or not guilty, anything can happen 183 00:13:11,290 --> 00:13:13,084 because you never know what a-- 184 00:13:13,084 --> 00:13:16,129 you never know what a jury is gonna see or not see. 185 00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:22,510 The trial of a receptionist 186 00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:25,388 who is charged with poisoning her boss. 187 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:27,807 And lo and behold, she was in a relationship 188 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:30,727 with that boss's son, Adam. 189 00:13:30,727 --> 00:13:34,105 Prosecutors also say that she was framing Adam 190 00:13:34,105 --> 00:13:37,066 for the murder of his mom. 191 00:13:37,066 --> 00:13:38,109 Are you with me? 192 00:13:38,109 --> 00:13:40,862 Because there's a lot. 193 00:13:40,862 --> 00:13:45,116 I wanted a stand for our family. 194 00:13:45,116 --> 00:13:50,580 I wanted Katie to see us all there. 195 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:52,790 And we were gonna hopefully get justice. 196 00:13:55,543 --> 00:13:58,046 I wasn't too worried. 197 00:13:58,046 --> 00:14:00,673 I was like, okay, it's finally here. 198 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:02,759 It's happening. Now we can resolve it. 199 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:09,724 ♪ ♪ 200 00:14:09,724 --> 00:14:13,269 I found out there was gonna be a murder trial 201 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:19,025 right before I found out that I had gotten pulled for the jury. 202 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:20,693 And I think that's when I started to panic. 203 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:24,113 Like, oh, my God, how am I gonna get through this? 204 00:14:24,113 --> 00:14:25,782 But I knew it was my duty, 205 00:14:25,782 --> 00:14:27,658 and I just have to figure it out, 206 00:14:27,658 --> 00:14:30,787 and I'll get through it. 207 00:14:30,787 --> 00:14:33,081 There was one juror that, uh, 208 00:14:33,081 --> 00:14:34,999 kind of stood out from the very beginning. 209 00:14:34,999 --> 00:14:38,503 He made himself known when they were picking jurors. 210 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:40,797 I had never been a juror, mostly because 211 00:14:40,797 --> 00:14:44,967 I was in the military so long, and I wasn't around. 212 00:14:44,967 --> 00:14:48,971 I told them I could convict my daughter if she was guilty. 213 00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:51,724 And at that point, the prosecutor wanted me. 214 00:14:53,351 --> 00:14:56,813 The defense strategy was to point the finger 215 00:14:56,813 --> 00:15:00,733 at Bill Yoder because Bill Yoder was now in a relationship 216 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:03,694 with his dead wife's sister. 217 00:15:03,694 --> 00:15:06,697 You will find motive through the testimony 218 00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:08,908 on the part of William Yoder. 219 00:15:13,704 --> 00:15:20,044 Do you remember the first time that you had sexual relations 220 00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:21,504 with Kathy Richmond? 221 00:15:21,504 --> 00:15:23,965 I don't remember the date, no. 222 00:15:23,965 --> 00:15:25,800 I wasn't keeping a journal. 223 00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:52,702 Everything that the investigation can show 224 00:15:52,702 --> 00:15:54,745 supports that as being true. 225 00:15:54,745 --> 00:15:59,083 And some of it could be proven through the communications 226 00:15:59,083 --> 00:16:01,836 between the two. 227 00:16:01,836 --> 00:16:04,130 There was a text message after Mary's death 228 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:06,174 where Bill was going to see Kathy. 229 00:16:06,174 --> 00:16:08,426 He had to text her and find out how to get to her house. 230 00:16:08,426 --> 00:16:10,303 So wait a minute, you're telling me he had an affair 231 00:16:10,303 --> 00:16:12,096 and was going to her house and having an affair, 232 00:16:12,096 --> 00:16:13,723 but the guy's gotta text her and find out 233 00:16:13,723 --> 00:16:15,057 how to get to her residence. 234 00:16:15,057 --> 00:16:17,185 This affair didn't start before Mary's death. 235 00:16:19,187 --> 00:16:22,106 They looked into everything surrounding him. 236 00:16:22,106 --> 00:16:24,901 He was not involved. 237 00:16:24,901 --> 00:16:28,905 He was not involved in any aspect of it. 238 00:16:31,741 --> 00:16:35,077 It was, oh, gosh, very, very hard 239 00:16:35,077 --> 00:16:38,831 because I never get over the guilt of wondering 240 00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:39,999 if he had done it. 241 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:45,504 Just--I can't even put it into words. 242 00:16:45,504 --> 00:16:49,258 My dad was going through the emotional hell 243 00:16:49,258 --> 00:16:52,678 of having his character attacked and assassinated 244 00:16:52,678 --> 00:16:53,721 the entire time. 245 00:17:15,076 --> 00:17:19,247 My mom had a happy marriage, 246 00:17:19,247 --> 00:17:22,917 but the life she lived 247 00:17:22,917 --> 00:17:27,171 got taken away from her by lie after lie. 248 00:17:27,171 --> 00:17:29,632 It got taken away in the courtroom. 249 00:17:29,632 --> 00:17:31,926 It got taken away on social media. 250 00:17:31,926 --> 00:17:35,012 It got taken away in the years of people 251 00:17:35,012 --> 00:17:37,306 ripping apart her life. 252 00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:43,437 It was a lot that you had to think about. 253 00:17:43,437 --> 00:17:45,231 You had to pay attention. 254 00:17:45,231 --> 00:17:49,485 I did notice, uh, Katie's dad always looking over. 255 00:17:49,485 --> 00:17:51,320 I felt like he was looking at me all the time. 256 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,531 And I couldn't understand, why wasn't he looking 257 00:17:53,531 --> 00:17:55,324 at the rest of the jurors? 258 00:17:55,324 --> 00:17:57,326 But then it dawned on me that this Pat guy was 259 00:17:57,326 --> 00:17:58,869 sitting right in front of me. 260 00:17:58,869 --> 00:18:02,290 So he was looking at Pat all the time. 261 00:18:02,290 --> 00:18:06,544 I didn't quite understand why that was going on. 262 00:18:15,678 --> 00:18:17,346 We believed the colchicine bottle 263 00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:19,890 contained the murder weapon, obviously. 264 00:18:19,890 --> 00:18:23,311 So the colchicine bottle was tested for DNA. 265 00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:45,249 Her DNA is on the colchicine bottle. 266 00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:46,542 Why? 267 00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:48,919 I felt bad, but it was like, she did it. 268 00:18:48,919 --> 00:18:50,504 All the evidence pointed towards her. 269 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:52,131 There was nothing else brought in, 270 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:54,925 no one else that it really fit. 271 00:18:54,925 --> 00:18:57,678 Um, I--I just knew she did it. 272 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:03,017 The trial closes, 273 00:19:03,017 --> 00:19:04,935 and now it's in the jury's hands. 274 00:19:04,935 --> 00:19:08,773 Now we have deliberations. 275 00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:12,568 She wrote that anonymous letter. 276 00:19:12,568 --> 00:19:14,612 She purchased the colchicine. 277 00:19:14,612 --> 00:19:16,405 Her DNA was on the bottle. 278 00:19:16,405 --> 00:19:18,199 Her DNA was on the envelope. 279 00:19:18,199 --> 00:19:22,036 And we had connected her phone to the Gmail account. 280 00:19:22,036 --> 00:19:23,954 So I felt pretty good about the case. 281 00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:28,626 And then we get the call. 282 00:19:28,626 --> 00:19:30,628 They have a decision. 283 00:19:30,628 --> 00:19:37,051 It was a day that we had been waiting for and hopeful for. 284 00:19:38,302 --> 00:19:41,222 Eager eyes watched as the jury of 12 285 00:19:41,222 --> 00:19:43,349 spent several hours deliberating the fate 286 00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:45,434 of the 24-year-old Sauquoit woman 287 00:19:45,434 --> 00:19:48,020 accused of poisoning Whitesboro chiropractor 288 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:50,898 Mary Yoder to death back in 2015. 289 00:19:55,111 --> 00:19:56,654 But what happens? 290 00:20:09,375 --> 00:20:13,003 It comes back 10 to 2, not guilty. 291 00:20:13,003 --> 00:20:14,755 A hung jury. 292 00:20:14,755 --> 00:20:16,340 Katie gets to walk. 293 00:20:21,011 --> 00:20:23,848 The murder trial of the 24-year-old Sauquoit woman 294 00:20:23,848 --> 00:20:26,058 accused of poisoning her boss to death 295 00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:28,144 has been declared a mistrial. 296 00:20:28,144 --> 00:20:29,812 It's not the verdict that we wanted 297 00:20:29,812 --> 00:20:33,899 because we wanted a total exoneration for our daughter. 298 00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:36,569 We know she's completely innocent. 299 00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:39,989 And the whole family feels that way. 300 00:20:39,989 --> 00:20:41,699 - We love you. - Yes. 301 00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:44,785 And a mother knows. 302 00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,662 And a mother knows her child. 303 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:52,877 We were two people away from an outright acquittal, 304 00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:56,464 which would have finished the process. 305 00:20:56,464 --> 00:20:57,673 It did. 306 00:20:57,673 --> 00:20:59,258 It felt like a weight off my shoulders. 307 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:02,344 I said, okay, people believe me. 308 00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:08,893 I think we just went numb 309 00:21:08,893 --> 00:21:14,565 because it was the only way to, um... 310 00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:16,275 kind of stand up and walk out of there 311 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,235 was to just to be numb. 312 00:21:20,529 --> 00:21:21,906 Well, absolutely, I was upset. 313 00:21:21,906 --> 00:21:23,616 I mean, here you spend all this time, 314 00:21:23,616 --> 00:21:25,367 and now they come back as a hung jury 315 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:27,369 after you spent, you know, how many hours of your life 316 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:28,662 on this case? 317 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:29,914 And what are they listening to here? 318 00:21:29,914 --> 00:21:32,041 What--what happened here? 319 00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:37,421 There was no evidence to prove what the prosecution 320 00:21:37,421 --> 00:21:39,381 said they thought happened. 321 00:21:39,381 --> 00:21:41,008 This was just a theory. 322 00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:44,220 And it started out when we went in, it was 50/50. 323 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:48,057 Within an hour of us talking, it was ten people innocent, 324 00:21:48,057 --> 00:21:50,142 two people guilty. 325 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:51,560 Pat was doing a really good job. 326 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,021 He had all, like, the smokers on his team. 327 00:21:54,021 --> 00:21:56,565 He seemed to know what he was thinking and doing. 328 00:21:56,565 --> 00:21:59,235 So they're like, yeah, sure, let's--let's go along with Pat. 329 00:21:59,235 --> 00:22:00,611 Yep. 330 00:22:00,611 --> 00:22:02,696 One of the jurors said, someone's gotta pay, 331 00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:04,448 might as well be her. 332 00:22:04,448 --> 00:22:07,284 And I literally lost it over that. 333 00:22:07,284 --> 00:22:11,830 I ripped the shades right down in the room yelling 334 00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:14,416 because I didn't wanna be violent. 335 00:22:14,416 --> 00:22:18,420 But it was someone's life, someone's life on the line. 336 00:22:18,420 --> 00:22:21,048 I was really surprised that this Pat person 337 00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:24,969 had gone up and shaken the hand of Kaitlyn Conley's father. 338 00:22:26,512 --> 00:22:30,349 He shook his hand right outside the courtroom hall. 339 00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:32,393 So that was very surprising. 340 00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:41,235 I rented at their trailer park. 341 00:22:41,235 --> 00:22:43,070 Yeah, I did. 342 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:44,238 I rented from-- 343 00:22:44,238 --> 00:22:46,198 I rented from Vin Conley. 344 00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:48,659 But I said, Vin, if I thought she was guilty, 345 00:22:48,659 --> 00:22:51,287 I would have voted guilty. 346 00:22:51,287 --> 00:22:54,123 But I don't--in my heart, I don't think she did it. 347 00:23:00,337 --> 00:23:02,548 I thought maybe for some of the jurors, 348 00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:06,385 that they might just see this pretty 21-year-old girl 349 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:10,264 sitting there demurely, looking like she was, you know, 350 00:23:10,264 --> 00:23:13,475 just this sweet young girl. 351 00:23:13,475 --> 00:23:16,437 And they might not wanna convict her. 352 00:23:16,437 --> 00:23:19,565 There's nothing I can do to get over that. 353 00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:21,400 The defendant is who the defendant is, 354 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,902 and it's not gonna change. 355 00:23:25,863 --> 00:23:27,990 To face that we were going 356 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:31,035 to have to do it again was-- it just seemed, um, 357 00:23:31,035 --> 00:23:33,746 like, pretty impossible at that point. 358 00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:38,250 But we all--we wanted justice, so it was, okay, well, 359 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,085 we're gonna do it again because 360 00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:42,588 she needs to pay for what she did. 361 00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:48,469 The prosecution said that they were going 362 00:23:48,469 --> 00:23:52,389 to try me again in six months. 363 00:23:52,389 --> 00:23:54,683 I was still under house arrest. 364 00:23:57,144 --> 00:24:01,065 I'm like, we have to do this all over again? 365 00:24:01,065 --> 00:24:02,816 We just did it. 366 00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:05,569 You couldn't convince your jury. 367 00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:09,365 You couldn't convince ten people. 368 00:24:09,365 --> 00:24:11,325 Why do we have to do it again? 369 00:24:13,494 --> 00:24:16,288 In a lot of murder cases I've handled, 370 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:18,624 the decision to kill is made like that. 371 00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:21,543 Premeditation is all over this case. 372 00:24:21,543 --> 00:24:25,381 Advanced planning-- cold, calculated planning. 373 00:24:25,381 --> 00:24:27,424 We can't just let her walk out the door. 374 00:24:30,219 --> 00:24:32,471 In the second trial, we realized that 375 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:35,432 we had to change things up in terms of our strategy 376 00:24:35,432 --> 00:24:37,851 to digitally prove what had happened 377 00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:39,478 and why all of those digital roads 378 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:43,524 led directly back to Kaitlyn Conley. 379 00:24:43,524 --> 00:24:46,944 Now, with the gift of time, we can go back. 380 00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:52,741 And the game changer comes 381 00:24:52,741 --> 00:24:56,495 when I'm re-examining Adam Yoder's laptop. 382 00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:05,713 On that laptop were numerous backups of cell phones. 383 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:13,595 And about the third file we examined, we realized, 384 00:25:13,595 --> 00:25:15,848 this is not Adam's phone. 385 00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:17,683 This is Kaitlyn's phone. 386 00:25:19,768 --> 00:25:22,187 So this backup that Adam did 387 00:25:22,187 --> 00:25:25,357 would be a snapshot of what existed on the phone 388 00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:27,359 about two months after the killing, 389 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,821 but long before police entered the case. 390 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:34,241 I knew it instantly. 391 00:25:34,241 --> 00:25:37,494 This is the holy grail. 392 00:25:37,494 --> 00:25:41,373 So many notes had been deleted by her 393 00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:43,542 in the intervening months. 394 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:47,588 And the one that jumps out first 395 00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:52,926 is a note about the mradamyoder1990 Gmail account. 396 00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:55,471 It says, "Aisgay." 397 00:25:55,471 --> 00:25:57,014 That could also be shorthand-- 398 00:25:57,014 --> 00:25:58,932 "Adamisgay." 399 00:25:58,932 --> 00:26:01,310 Immediately, I'm looking at it and saying, 400 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:03,520 that's the password. 401 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,606 And it was. 402 00:26:09,026 --> 00:26:13,030 If I'm a scorned woman and Adam broke up with me, 403 00:26:13,030 --> 00:26:15,491 and I'm gonna kill his mom, 404 00:26:15,491 --> 00:26:17,910 am I gonna play a little game with myself 405 00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:20,829 and choose "Adamisgay" as a password? 406 00:26:20,829 --> 00:26:24,041 You bet your ass I am. 407 00:26:24,041 --> 00:26:29,379 I have never, ever in my life used gay as a slur. 408 00:26:29,379 --> 00:26:33,550 That doesn't fit in with me. 409 00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:36,804 But do I believe that that's his password? 410 00:26:36,804 --> 00:26:38,430 Yes, I do. 411 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:42,267 Adam lived with a bunch of boys 412 00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:45,521 who would use that as a slur, um. 413 00:26:45,521 --> 00:26:49,441 So yeah, that sounds about right. 414 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:50,442 I believe that. 415 00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:58,492 Kaitlyn Conley deleted 6,000 images off her phone. 416 00:26:58,492 --> 00:27:00,077 No one does that. 417 00:27:01,578 --> 00:27:06,041 In the group of images that were deleted 418 00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:09,920 are dozens and dozens of screenshots from websites 419 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,296 talking about poisons. 420 00:27:12,923 --> 00:27:15,801 Throughout the fall of 2014, 421 00:27:15,801 --> 00:27:20,055 she had looked at cyanide, poison mushrooms, thallium, 422 00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:22,266 and arrived ultimately at colchicine 423 00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:25,018 towards the end of December. 424 00:27:25,018 --> 00:27:30,315 First thing was like, smack right in the face. 425 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:33,861 She takes Mary Yoder's body weight 426 00:27:33,861 --> 00:27:36,738 and then fills out the formula 427 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:39,950 for how much colchicine would be necessary 428 00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:40,993 to kill Mary Yoder. 429 00:27:57,593 --> 00:27:58,844 I don't know. 430 00:27:58,844 --> 00:28:00,262 That doesn't mean anything to me. 431 00:28:06,768 --> 00:28:08,896 I don't have a reason to search lethal poisons. 432 00:28:08,896 --> 00:28:13,692 I'm really--like, I don't even put out, you know, 433 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:15,360 poison for the mice in the barn. 434 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,154 I just--I can't. I can't. 435 00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:18,864 That's not who I am. 436 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:22,784 The research, I think, brought things 437 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:24,703 to a different level because it showed 438 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:30,000 a level of callousness, of planning, of deviousness, 439 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,210 and, really, coldness. 440 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,964 But that is kind of typical 441 00:28:35,964 --> 00:28:39,301 for the behavior of Kaitlyn Conley. 442 00:28:39,301 --> 00:28:42,638 This woman is a sociopath. 443 00:28:42,638 --> 00:28:48,685 She has actually disconnected the reality of her actions 444 00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:53,732 and the possible consequences of those from the moment. 445 00:28:55,359 --> 00:29:01,114 I wasn't too worried about going to jail 446 00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:03,742 for the rest of my life. 447 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,787 Because I was-- 448 00:29:06,787 --> 00:29:08,205 I was pretty present. 449 00:29:08,205 --> 00:29:09,873 I was in the moment. 450 00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:14,503 And I was just enjoying the time with my family. 451 00:29:14,503 --> 00:29:19,007 It felt like, okay, well, let's--let's just keep going. 452 00:29:19,007 --> 00:29:21,218 I've come this far. I can keep going. 453 00:29:28,642 --> 00:29:32,437 I honestly did not know how I mentally was, 454 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:36,316 or emotionally was, gonna make it through a second trial. 455 00:29:37,901 --> 00:29:39,987 24-year-old Kaitlyn Conley is now 456 00:29:39,987 --> 00:29:41,446 starting with a fresh slate. 457 00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:43,782 Conley's defense attorney, Frank Policelli, 458 00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:46,326 argues it's not Conley who killed Yoder, 459 00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:48,662 but rather her son, Conley's ex-boyfriend 460 00:29:48,662 --> 00:29:50,872 and the person he says set Conley up 461 00:29:50,872 --> 00:29:53,041 for the murder of his mother. 462 00:29:53,041 --> 00:29:56,253 The first trial, they point a finger at Bill. 463 00:29:56,253 --> 00:30:00,215 The second trial, uh-oh, Adam did it now. 464 00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:02,384 We're gonna use that tact. 465 00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:04,845 So they say, well, but all these electronic devices 466 00:30:04,845 --> 00:30:05,971 come back to Katie. 467 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:07,639 Yeah, right. 468 00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:10,183 Ladies and gentlemen, it was Adam. 469 00:30:10,183 --> 00:30:11,727 It was Adam. 470 00:30:14,354 --> 00:30:17,899 With her interviews with the police and her, 471 00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:20,610 everything she said was pointing towards Adam. 472 00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:24,031 And the letter that she sent was saying that Adam did it. 473 00:30:24,031 --> 00:30:27,117 So I think, you know, her new defense lawyer thought, 474 00:30:27,117 --> 00:30:29,286 well, duh, you told the police this. 475 00:30:29,286 --> 00:30:31,830 We have to, like, try and point the finger at Adam 476 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:34,541 to make that make sense, so. 477 00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:38,628 Now another member of the family 478 00:30:38,628 --> 00:30:41,173 was under direct attack. 479 00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:44,259 His character, everything was being attacked and questioned 480 00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:46,261 and dragged through the mud. 481 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,265 Good morning. 482 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:54,186 The defense was able to cross-examine Adam 483 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:58,899 and accuse him in open court of raping Kaitlyn Conley. 484 00:30:58,899 --> 00:31:01,109 Let's talk about this controlled call 485 00:31:01,109 --> 00:31:04,196 that police make to Adam for this alleged rape. 486 00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:06,448 The only problem with the controlled call is, 487 00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:08,075 Adam doesn't admit it. 488 00:31:08,075 --> 00:31:09,451 I was in shock. 489 00:31:09,451 --> 00:31:11,161 I didn't know how to react. 490 00:31:11,161 --> 00:31:12,954 And I was panicking. 491 00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:17,626 And ultimately, I had drank enough to black out that night, 492 00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:19,753 so I couldn't defend myself. 493 00:31:19,753 --> 00:31:21,671 I didn't have a version of the story. 494 00:31:23,507 --> 00:31:25,383 The defense revolved, really, 495 00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:27,094 around the relationship with Adam. 496 00:31:27,094 --> 00:31:31,723 But the prosecution turned the arguments between them 497 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:34,226 from being a negative to the prosecution 498 00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:36,561 to becoming a positive for the prosecution. 499 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:40,398 Showing this long-term discord 500 00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:45,028 between Adam and Kaitlyn 501 00:31:45,028 --> 00:31:47,030 really created motive. 502 00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:50,408 We presented the motive that Katie had become 503 00:31:50,408 --> 00:31:52,661 increasingly vengeful towards Adam 504 00:31:52,661 --> 00:31:56,623 over the weeks and months leading up to Mary's death. 505 00:31:56,623 --> 00:32:00,418 The toxic relationship between Katie and Adam, 506 00:32:00,418 --> 00:32:03,046 Adam is done with it. 507 00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:04,548 What does Katie do? 508 00:32:04,548 --> 00:32:08,844 Well, I'm gonna take away from Adam the thing 509 00:32:08,844 --> 00:32:12,722 that I know he loves more than anything. 510 00:32:12,722 --> 00:32:14,266 And that's his mother. 511 00:32:17,227 --> 00:32:18,937 This was very, very calculated, 512 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:20,647 very, very planned out. 513 00:32:20,647 --> 00:32:22,149 There's no doubt about that. 514 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:24,985 Mary Yoder is definitely as innocent of a victim 515 00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:26,153 as you can get. 516 00:32:28,238 --> 00:32:29,489 The day Mary died, 517 00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:31,032 Kaitlyn Conley is in the office. 518 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:32,576 Now she's got opportunity. 519 00:32:32,576 --> 00:32:34,286 She's got the time, and she's got the opportunity. 520 00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:36,580 And the substance itself is so innocuous. 521 00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:39,708 It looks like a little bit of white powder. 522 00:32:39,708 --> 00:32:43,587 And what does it really take but a pinch of that powder 523 00:32:43,587 --> 00:32:46,047 to quickly put it in somebody's drink? 524 00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:51,261 Just walk by, drop it in, and the deed is done. 525 00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:11,323 No. 526 00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:13,783 No, she--I didn't see her have a shake 527 00:33:13,783 --> 00:33:15,493 that day at the office, no. 528 00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,371 I didn't see her eat anything at the office. 529 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:22,959 On top of that, if that weren't enough, 530 00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:25,420 she then tried to pin it on him, 531 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:28,632 frame Adam for the death of his own mother. 532 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:33,929 She set everything up under Adam's name. 533 00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:36,890 She sent the letter saying Adam did it. 534 00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:40,352 It just was such pure evil. 535 00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:42,062 That's all we could-- 536 00:33:42,062 --> 00:33:45,273 she just--Katie had to be pure evil. 537 00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:51,029 When Mary dies, Katie is there at the hospital 538 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:52,322 with the family. 539 00:33:52,322 --> 00:33:54,407 I mean, that's how close she was. 540 00:33:54,407 --> 00:33:56,993 And you know, she got to see her handiwork firsthand. 541 00:33:56,993 --> 00:33:59,996 Katie was right there every step of the way. 542 00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:05,877 Oh, God, it makes me so angry. 543 00:34:08,964 --> 00:34:13,134 The idea that you would get back 544 00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:16,096 at your ex-boyfriend 545 00:34:16,096 --> 00:34:20,475 by killing his mother 546 00:34:20,475 --> 00:34:21,935 didn't make sense to me. 547 00:34:21,935 --> 00:34:28,483 It was the most ludicrous theory 548 00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:30,277 that they could have come up with. 549 00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:35,740 Yeah, the jury went out 550 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:38,368 for deliberation again at the end of the second trial. 551 00:34:38,368 --> 00:34:39,953 And it was-- 552 00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:43,081 I mean, gosh, it was almost like flashing back 553 00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:46,835 to the first trial, just that waiting and waiting. 554 00:34:46,835 --> 00:34:50,505 And then, at one point, they also sent a message 555 00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:52,507 and said that they did not know if they were 556 00:34:52,507 --> 00:34:54,551 gonna be able to reach a unanimous verdict. 557 00:34:54,551 --> 00:34:59,472 And it was like, this isn't looking good. 558 00:34:59,472 --> 00:35:01,933 I was very concerned that, oh, my God, 559 00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:03,435 we're gonna have to do this a third time, 560 00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:05,770 and we don't really have anything more 561 00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:07,480 to put into this case. 562 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,692 This was a scenario that frightened us, 563 00:35:10,692 --> 00:35:14,237 that if reasonable jurors go back and they deliberate, 564 00:35:14,237 --> 00:35:16,406 and they say, you know, she looked up 565 00:35:16,406 --> 00:35:18,533 the lethal doses of colchicine. 566 00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:20,577 She wanted to see how much she could administer 567 00:35:20,577 --> 00:35:24,748 that was sublethal that would only make somebody sick. 568 00:35:24,748 --> 00:35:27,042 Maybe some of the jurors thought, 569 00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:29,753 we don't think that her intent was to kill, 570 00:35:29,753 --> 00:35:31,296 and so that's not murder. 571 00:35:31,296 --> 00:35:33,423 That's something else. 572 00:35:33,423 --> 00:35:37,052 So as a result of that, we asked for the lesser 573 00:35:37,052 --> 00:35:39,721 included offense of manslaughter. 574 00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:43,767 And the judge sent them back with the murder charge 575 00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:46,644 and the manslaughter charge so that if they didn't convict 576 00:35:46,644 --> 00:35:50,315 of murder, then they could go on and consider manslaughter 577 00:35:50,315 --> 00:35:51,650 in the first degree as well. 578 00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:57,572 So when Dwyer granted that lesser included request, 579 00:35:57,572 --> 00:36:02,494 I said, well, now it's not yes or no. 580 00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:05,914 It's murder, manslaughter, or no. 581 00:36:05,914 --> 00:36:08,249 So you've just given them two opportunities, 582 00:36:08,249 --> 00:36:11,294 and you gave me one. 583 00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:13,755 We get the call. They have a decision. 584 00:36:13,755 --> 00:36:18,301 At that point, nothing short of just gripping terror. 585 00:36:18,301 --> 00:36:21,513 We weren't quite sure we could handle what was coming next. 586 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:32,148 ♪ ♪ 587 00:36:32,148 --> 00:36:33,608 There was, of course, 588 00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:37,487 a lot of commotion in the courtroom. 589 00:36:37,487 --> 00:36:40,573 We had no idea what to expect. 590 00:36:53,128 --> 00:36:56,089 When the jury said not guilty on murder, 591 00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:58,091 for that moment, you're like, 592 00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:00,593 oh, my God, she's gonna walk. 593 00:37:00,593 --> 00:37:03,096 My sister and I were squeezing our hands 594 00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,515 so tightly we were bruised after. 595 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:25,702 After such a long wait to get to that point, 596 00:37:25,702 --> 00:37:29,622 it was just so overwhelmingly emotional 597 00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,249 that I couldn't even-- 598 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:33,126 it was just, we needed it. 599 00:37:53,438 --> 00:37:55,398 We finally got to the light 600 00:37:55,398 --> 00:37:56,900 at the end of the tunnel. 601 00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:01,404 We finally--somebody was able to see what happened. 602 00:38:01,404 --> 00:38:06,034 And so there was a small sense of a relief. 603 00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:07,327 Like, we made it. 604 00:38:07,327 --> 00:38:09,329 We got here. We made it. 605 00:38:09,329 --> 00:38:16,294 ♪ ♪ 606 00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:31,309 And it just--it felt like everything failed. 607 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:35,772 I put all my faith and all my trust 608 00:38:35,772 --> 00:38:41,486 in the system and these people. 609 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:43,279 And it didn't work. 610 00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:47,867 It felt like we'd been let down. 611 00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:59,879 I truly think that Katie is innocent. 612 00:38:59,879 --> 00:39:01,673 And I know people expect us to say that 613 00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:03,341 because we're a family. 614 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:04,926 Um, but truly, deep down in my soul, 615 00:39:04,926 --> 00:39:07,887 I don't think that Katie would have the ability to do this. 616 00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:10,139 You can only do so much when you're down 617 00:39:10,139 --> 00:39:11,933 at Bedford visiting. 618 00:39:11,933 --> 00:39:15,395 And it's very hard when we walk away each time 619 00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:17,981 and we have to leave Katie behind. 620 00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:22,485 You leave a part of yourself. 621 00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:28,241 I, uh--I figured it out that I'm probably not lucky enough 622 00:39:28,241 --> 00:39:32,829 to live until she's free. 623 00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:35,290 That hurt. 624 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,458 It's--it's part of your daily life every day. 625 00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:43,131 And it just--it could consume your whole day. 626 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:48,177 I know they wanna believe their daughter, 627 00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:51,598 so I don't think that they'll question anything she says. 628 00:39:51,598 --> 00:39:54,142 I don't think the Conleys would ever admit it 629 00:39:54,142 --> 00:39:56,769 even if she did admit something to them. 630 00:39:56,769 --> 00:39:58,271 I don't feel that they would ever 631 00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:00,607 be forthright in telling us. 632 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:04,569 Adam's not good. 633 00:40:04,569 --> 00:40:07,697 I don't think he'll ever stop blaming himself. 634 00:40:09,449 --> 00:40:12,660 I don't think that he will ever 635 00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:15,413 not be traumatized by this. 636 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:18,207 I don't think he'll ever heal from it. 637 00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:20,251 I hate Kaitlyn Ann Conley 638 00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:24,797 because Kaitlyn Ann Conley murdered my mother. 639 00:40:24,797 --> 00:40:27,634 And I hope she never makes it out of prison. 640 00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:29,928 I'd be okay if she made it to 22 years 641 00:40:29,928 --> 00:40:32,639 and then got fucking killed in there. 642 00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,558 I'd be happy. 643 00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:52,200 The Yoders don't need closure. 644 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,119 And they don't need that from me. 645 00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:00,541 They need--they need help. 646 00:41:00,541 --> 00:41:04,295 And they need to figure a lot of things out. 647 00:41:04,295 --> 00:41:06,506 But that has nothing to do with me. 648 00:41:09,217 --> 00:41:12,178 That has nothing to do with me. 649 00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:14,430 Kaitlyn Conley is the killer. 650 00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:16,641 Kaitlyn Conley killed my mother, 651 00:41:16,641 --> 00:41:19,435 and she is absolutely where she belongs. 652 00:41:19,435 --> 00:41:26,484 ♪ ♪