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The phenomenon could involve some type

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of activity that some might
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form of life.

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This would be one of the most closely held secrets

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in the entire United States government,

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if not the most closely held secret.

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When people say the government
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I and my colleagues know many secrets

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that have been kept for decades and they can be kept.

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I'm sitting here today

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because the American people are being lied to.

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The only way the lid's gonna get blown off this.

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We get a commander in chief with the guts

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to just take the lid off of it.

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There are now close to 400 reports

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from military personnel of
possible UFO encounters,

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and they say they have...

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In 2017, Congress began learning

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about a half century plus coverup

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of an ultra secret program dealing with UFOs,

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now referred to as unidentified
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In 2022, the first
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on the subject in over 50 years.

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Regarding unidentified...

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Confirming the phenomenon is real.

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Instruments report there was something there.

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There are flight characteristics
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that we can't explain.

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What began was a rare bipartisan effort

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to dig even deeper.

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You're the guys investigating it.

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I mean, who else is doing it?

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The more Congress pulled

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on the emerging threads, the
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You're talking so I'm thinking.

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Go into space, go someplace,

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drop down in a matter of seconds,

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do whatever it wants and leave

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and there's nothing we can do about it.

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With no self-evident propulsion system.

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No wings, no IR energy coming off of the vehicle.

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Even more startling was the discovery

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of an alleged black budget program tasked

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with the recovery of craft of alien origin.

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You solemnly swear

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or affirm that the testimony you are about to...

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Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe

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that our government is in possession of UAPs?

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Absolutely, based on
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over four years.

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Do we have
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who piloted this craft?

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Biologics came with some
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Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?

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Non-human and that was the assessment of people

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with direct knowledge on the program I talked to

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that are currently still on the program.

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I would go to jail to say things that I know

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that I've been exposed to in the program.

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Have you ever met anyone that claims

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to have put their hands on or been inside one

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of these alleged crafts in our possession?

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I can't respond to that.

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Hi, I'm director and producer James Fox.

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I just arrived in Washington DC

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which is currently the epicenter
of an unprecedented effort

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to force the government's
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what they really know about the UIP phenomenon.

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First time, the national
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But the citizen review...

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In 2023, Senate
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and Senator Mike Rounds
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disclosure bill in American history.

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This is a major win for
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and it gives us a strong foundation

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for more action in the future

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And a requirement as a transparency measure

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for the government to obtain
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or biological remains

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that may have been provided to
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and thereby hidden from Congress
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And here you have in an actual congressional,

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in this case senatorial document,

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the phrase NHI meaning non-human intelligence

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mentioned more than 20 times

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in an actual congressional document.

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My name is Leslie Kean and
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and I was one of three journalists

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who broke the story in December of 2017

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about the Department of Defense

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secret program studying UFOs.

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And that story was kind of a catalyst

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for a lot of things that have happened since.

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You get that close to something.

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As details of the exposed

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Department of Defense program came to light

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so did evidence and
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What followed was a bipartisan
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to find out

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what the intelligence agencies
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Now they know that this is real, right?

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Because the Pentagon's been studying it

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and we had all this great material in our story

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and members of Congress started to ask questions.

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In fact, congressional committees

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initiated briefings with
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Classified briefings by members of the program,

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by some of the pilots who
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and that made them realize we
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I don't think it's unanimous among...

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The New York Times story also revealed

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official military videos of
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The Gimbal and the FLIR video.

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And I remember the media was just going nuts.

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The objects seen

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in the various clips are
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We don't know what this is and it's here.

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The program has since been shut down

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but it was run by a military intelligence official

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who told CNN.

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There is very compelling evidence

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that we may not be alone.

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So not necessarily extra terrestrial,

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but you're not ruling it out.

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The stories that first broke
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of a Pentagon UFO research effort

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about some very intriguing sightings

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that they really couldn't explain.

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The dam broke.

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The US Navy has finally acknowledged

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that videos appearing to show UFOs flying

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through the air are real.

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The aircraft had zero control surfaces,

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had no means of propulsion that we could detect.

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in the airplanes literally watching this thing

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for roughly about five minutes.

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The UFO reports were first investigated

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by a secret $22 million program.

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Do you know if they had the capabilities

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to create these flying objects like this?

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We don't think so.

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The Pentagon now admits
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It's the story

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of the US government's grudging acknowledgment

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of unidentified aerial phenomena

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and the US Senate wants to know what it is.

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Maybe it has a very simple answer.

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Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves was

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on duty during a number of sightings,

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including a near collision
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Mr. Graves was invited to
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before members of the Senate
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and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

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Senior Department of Defense
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at the opposite end of the
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Navy Intelligence and more broadly I think DIA.

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The DOD side wasn't able to provide a lot of answers

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to the congressional side,

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but it wasn't a, "I don't
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It was, "It's too classified

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to talk about in this environment."

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And so there seemed to be a very clear barrier there

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that Congress was even having a hard time

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really getting around.

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'cause if you don't know what's there, it's hard

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to ask good questions about the information, right?

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to be a little difficulty crossing that barrier.

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My name is Kirk McConnell.

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I believe this is the first
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I recently retired from government service

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after 37 years working as a staff member

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for various committees in Congress.

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Armed with high level clearances,

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Mr. McConnell researched
UAPs from 2017 to 2024.

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He attended multiple classified
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and numerous government and contractor sources.

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These insiders and their data

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provide extraordinary
confirmation of the phenomenon.

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These events were not just accompanied

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by visual observation,

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but by sensors, some of the best sensing systems

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that money can buy.

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Early warning and surveillance radar,

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that's the top of the line for the Navy,

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the Aegis radar system.

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We're seeing these objects
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to be from space altitudes

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and just coming down and at a high rate of speed

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and just stopping, you know, in midair

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and then flying around.

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What the heck were these folks seeing?

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The congresspeople and
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and the retired officials too would come out

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and make these statements

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and they tend to go further and further each time.

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How concerned should we be about the briefing

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that you received on UFOs?

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of the contents of the briefing.

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It was a classified briefing.

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One of the key takeaways I'd
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and others are taking this issue seriously,

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in previous generations may not have been the case.

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The senators were shocked.

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They had thought, as most Americans do,

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that this is just myth

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and they became aware that
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or Chinese or aliens

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or something else, this is very much for real.

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It's happening and we need to get to the bottom of it.

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Responding to decades long claims

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of intimidation and the forced signing of NDAs,

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Congress passed bipartisan
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What we made clear on this law is

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that there can be no stigma
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and that reporting is now mandatory

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and that if there is retaliation,

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that that will be prosecuted.

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The extent of activity is so prolific

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that at one military air base,
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around the base warning the pilots

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of the potential for mid-air collisions

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in restricted military operating space.

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The Navy for example, I think it was in 2018,

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issued new guidelines to pilots to report UAP

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and created a process for that.

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it has been pretty stark

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in terms of the legislation Congress has written

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very specifically demanding that the Pentagon,

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the intelligence agencies
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but forcing them to dig through
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and look into the past

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and try to determine were there secret programs

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that maybe revealed more about the phenomenon.

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The process began

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of the Pentagon grudgingly
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Congress asked us to
produce a report that assessed

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what we saw as the threat essentially

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from unidentified aerial phenomenon.

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A preliminary assessment was released

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in the summer of 2021.

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UAP represent physical objects

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that have been registered
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including radar, infrared,
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and visual observation.

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A handful of UAP demonstrated
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remaining stationary in winds aloft,

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with the ability to move against the wind

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and to maneuver abruptly at considerable speed

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without discernible means of propulsion.

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of Congress was the admission
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of near misses with UAP.

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And the main issues that Congress

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and others have been concerned
about are basically safety

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of flight concerns and
counterintelligence issues.

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But of course there's always the question

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of is there something else that
we simply do not understand

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that might come extra terrestrially.

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It became pretty clear to me

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that there was a real story here.

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As long as the Congress keeps pushing,

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and I think they will, I'm not sure

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how they're gonna wiggle out of this.

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More than 50 years ago,

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the US government ended project Blue Book,

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an effort to catalog

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and understand sightings of objects in the air

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that could not otherwise be explained.

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The last time Congress had a hearing

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on UAPs was half a century ago.

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I hope that it does not take
50 more years for Congress

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to hold another because
transparency is desperately needed.

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We have not been hiding anything.

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In 2017, we learned for the first time

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that the Department of Defense had quietly

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restarted a similar organization tracking

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what we now call unidentified
aerial phenomena or UAPs.

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UAPs are unexplained, it's true, but they are real.

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They need to be investigated

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and any threats they pose need to be mitigated.

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The Pentagon
sent two high level officers,

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deputy Director of Navy Intelligence, Scott Bray,

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and under Secretary of Defense, Ronald Moultrie,

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to a congress far better informed

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than prior intelligence
officials had faced in the past.

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There is something there measurable

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by multiple instruments and yet it seems to move

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in directions that are inconsistent

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with what we know of physics
or science more broadly.

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Do we have an example of an
object that can't be explained

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as having been human made or natural?

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The example that that I would say

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that is still unresolved,

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that I think everyone
understands quite well is the

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2004 incident from from Nimitz.

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200 miles off the coast of San Diego.

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The USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group

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encountered an unknown
object described as a tic tac

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that flew rings around two

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of the Navy's best frontline fighters.

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The ability to hover over the water

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and then start a vertical
climb from basically zero up

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towards about 12,000 feet

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and then accelerate in less than two seconds

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and disappear is something
I had never seen in my life.

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Are we aware of any foreign adversary capable

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of moving objects

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without any discernible means of propulsion?

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Without discernible means of propulsion,

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I would say that we're not aware of any adversary

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that can move an object

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without discernible means of propulsion.

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Former Deputy
Assistant Secretary of Defense,

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Christopher Mellon, was one of the key figures

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who brought the Nimitz case public.

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He and a few other insiders found a loophole

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in the classification that
allowed him to walk the tapes out

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of the Pentagon

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and onto the front page of the New York Times.

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When I first contacted the
Armed Services Committee,

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or shortly thereafter, I said
to one of the staffers there,

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"Why don't you get the deck logs

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for the Nimitz from November, 2004?"

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So he went to the Congressional Research Office

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and tasked them to go to the
archives and get the deck logs.

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Guess what? They're missing.

340
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For that one limited window of time.

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The records before there, the records after there,

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but the deck logs for the Nimitz incident

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for that period of time are missing.

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Gentlemen, it's not beyond the realm of possibility

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that there is some exploration coming here

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and that underlies a lot of the reports you get.

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I think Mr. LaHood was asking about

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that people think there must
be extra terrestrial life

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and it's not at all beyond the pale

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that there would be a visit here.

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There have been no collisions
between any US assets

352
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in one of these UAPs, correct?

353
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We have not had a collision.

354
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We've had at least 11 near misses though.

355
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There hasn't been a hearing since 1968

356
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and here we are having a hearing, you know,

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where just a few years ago,
we didn't even acknowledge

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that these things were real prior to 2017.

359
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That alone to me was so incredible
that I almost didn't care

360
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what happened during the hearing.

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Just the fact that it was happening

362
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and that I could be present for that,

363
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it felt like, you know,

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after all the work I'd done on this for so many years,

365
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it was really rewarding to me.

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It just really meant a lot to just be in that room.

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It's also been reported

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that there have been UAP
observed interacting with

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and flying over sensitive military facilities

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housing our strategic nuclear forces.

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One such incident allegedly occurred

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at Malmstrom Air Force Base

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in which 10 of our nuclear
ICBMs were rendered inoperable.

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What really moved me about
it was some of the statements

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that the congressman made.

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And the kinds of questions
they asked were so probing

377
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and Andre Carson was so
eloquent in his introduction

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and Adam Schiff, you know,

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and they seemed to really
understand the importance

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of this issue

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and here they were stating that to the world.

382
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You're the guys investigating it.

383
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I mean, who else is doing it?

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If something was officially brought

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to our attention, we would look at it.

386
00:19:08,208 --> 00:19:09,842
I'm bringing it to your attention.

387
00:19:09,843 --> 00:19:11,289
This is pretty official.

388
00:19:11,290 --> 00:19:13,149
Sure. So we'll go back
and take a look at it.

389
00:19:13,150 --> 00:19:16,325
But generally there is some authoritative figure

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00:19:16,326 --> 00:19:18,399
that says there is an incident that occurred.

391
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We'd like you to look at this.

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For what it's worth, I would like you

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to look in into it

394
00:19:21,817 --> 00:19:23,559
and if for another reason you could dismiss it

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and say this is not worth wasting resources on.

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Mr. Krishnamoorthi.

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First question is, have we come across any wreckage

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of any kind of object

399
00:19:35,951 --> 00:19:39,543
that has now been examined by you?

400
00:19:40,650 --> 00:19:42,399
The UAP task force doesn't have any wreckage

401
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,438
that isn't explainable,

402
00:19:44,439 --> 00:19:47,269
that isn't consistent with
being of terrestrial origin.

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00:19:49,436 --> 00:19:51,339
And then finally are you aware of a document

404
00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,259
that appeared around 2019

405
00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:57,003
sometimes called the Admiral
Wilson Memo or EW Notes Memo?

406
00:19:59,409 --> 00:20:00,161
I'm not.

407
00:20:00,162 --> 00:20:00,994
You're not.

408
00:20:00,995 --> 00:20:01,827
I'm not personally aware of that.

409
00:20:01,828 --> 00:20:02,982
Okay.

410
00:20:02,983 --> 00:20:04,179
The leaked memo

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00:20:04,180 --> 00:20:06,352
reveals an alleged covert meeting

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00:20:06,353 --> 00:20:10,059
with former director of the
Defense Intelligence Agency,

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00:20:10,060 --> 00:20:12,498
Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson,

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00:20:12,499 --> 00:20:17,579
an astrophysicist and aerospace
engineer, Dr. Eric Davis

415
00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:22,353
about an ultra secret UAP crash retrieval program.

416
00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:26,188
According to the memo, the meeting took place

417
00:20:26,189 --> 00:20:27,759
in the back parking lot

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00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,569
of United States national
defense contractor involved

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00:20:31,570 --> 00:20:35,133
with some of the government's
most sensitive technologies.

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00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,489
Vice Admiral Wilson prefaced the meeting

421
00:20:39,490 --> 00:20:41,133
with the following caveat,

422
00:20:41,977 --> 00:20:45,099
"If you blow my trust, I'll deny meeting you,

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00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,839
deny everything said,

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00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,409
won't meet with any more people without clearances.

425
00:20:50,410 --> 00:20:51,639
Too risky.

426
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,129
Never seen anything like this program

427
00:20:54,130 --> 00:20:56,313
in black programs community.

428
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,699
A reverse engineering program.

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00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:03,365
Something recovered years ago in the past.

430
00:21:03,366 --> 00:21:08,163
Called themselves the watch
committee or gate keepers.

431
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,834
An isolated group using their own facilities

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00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:16,915
and cleared personnel, about 400 to 800 workers.

433
00:21:17,361 --> 00:21:21,266
No White House names, no president,

434
00:21:21,267 --> 00:21:26,347
no congressional people,
no congressional staffers.

435
00:21:26,595 --> 00:21:31,595
They had a craft, an intact
craft they believed could fly.

436
00:21:33,735 --> 00:21:37,649
The program manager said they
didn't know where it was from.

437
00:21:37,650 --> 00:21:39,816
They had some ideas on this.

438
00:21:39,817 --> 00:21:43,833
It was technology that was not of this earth,

439
00:21:44,984 --> 00:21:49,227
"not made by man, not by human hands."

440
00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:55,719
So you're not aware of that?

441
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,959
I'm not aware of it, congressman.

442
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,172
In my 10 seconds remaining,

443
00:21:58,173 --> 00:22:00,729
I guess I just would ask Mr.
Chairman unanimous consent

444
00:22:00,730 --> 00:22:02,769
to enter that memo into the record.

445
00:22:02,770 --> 00:22:03,819
Without objection.

446
00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:05,633
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate it.

447
00:22:06,801 --> 00:22:08,143
The Wilson memo was brought up

448
00:22:08,144 --> 00:22:10,089
in the congressional hearings.

449
00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:14,529
Do you think there's any legitimacy to that memo?

450
00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:19,293
That's an area that I don't feel I can comment on.

451
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,199
So anyway, I suppose you're...

452
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,388
Stanford trained PhD physicist,

453
00:22:25,389 --> 00:22:27,605
Dr. Hal Puthoff has been involved

454
00:22:27,606 --> 00:22:31,749
in highly classified programs for the DOD

455
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:33,865
and intelligence communities.

456
00:22:33,866 --> 00:22:37,419
Dr. Puthoff was senior
advisor and contractor

457
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to a number of UAP programs

458
00:22:39,484 --> 00:22:42,333
for the Defense Intelligence Agency.

459
00:22:43,290 --> 00:22:46,406
His alleged research into
crash retrievals is mentioned

460
00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:49,749
in the Wilson Davis memo recently read

461
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:51,453
into the congressional record.

462
00:22:53,301 --> 00:22:55,269
I mean, I've signed security oaths,

463
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you know, TS, SCI, GAMMA, HCS,

464
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,075
I mean a whole line of things
of, well, if you get access

465
00:23:05,076 --> 00:23:06,923
to this information and this information

466
00:23:06,924 --> 00:23:09,973
and this information and this information,

467
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you will not reveal it to the public.

468
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:15,729
And if you do, you will go to jail.

469
00:23:15,730 --> 00:23:17,769
Sign the piece of paper, okay?

470
00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:19,479
Sign the piece of paper.

471
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,560
So until there's some statement on high

472
00:23:24,895 --> 00:23:29,154
that somehow abridges that, oh, for sure,

473
00:23:29,155 --> 00:23:33,314
I would go to jail to say things that I know

474
00:23:33,315 --> 00:23:36,513
that I've been exposed to in the program.

475
00:23:39,570 --> 00:23:41,049
I mean, Davis, you know,

476
00:23:41,050 --> 00:23:43,077
that's part of the Wilson Davis memo.

477
00:23:43,078 --> 00:23:47,072
I mean, of course Davis is
my senior scientific advisor

478
00:23:47,073 --> 00:23:51,489
for a couple of decades so I know him well

479
00:23:51,490 --> 00:23:56,570
and if he were to say it happened,

480
00:23:58,251 --> 00:24:00,819
then I'd be willing to admit it happened.

481
00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:02,977
But at this point,

482
00:24:02,978 --> 00:24:07,293
that's area that it's not worth digging into.

483
00:24:09,995 --> 00:24:11,769
We caught up with the man

484
00:24:11,770 --> 00:24:14,618
who organized the first
congressional hearing on UAP

485
00:24:14,619 --> 00:24:16,839
in over 50 years.

486
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,382
Representative, Andre Carson.

487
00:24:19,383 --> 00:24:22,149
Senator Reed was quoted in 2019

488
00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:23,626
in the New Yorker magazine.

489
00:24:23,627 --> 00:24:26,649
"I was told for decades that Lockheed had some

490
00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:29,049
of these retrieved materials

491
00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:32,709
and I tried to get, as I recall, a classified approval

492
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:35,582
by the Pentagon to have me go look at the stuff.

493
00:24:35,583 --> 00:24:37,509
They would not approve that.

494
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:39,279
I don't know what all the numbers are,

495
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,499
what kind of classification it was,

496
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:42,789
but they would not give that to me.

497
00:24:42,790 --> 00:24:44,062
"They would not give me clearance."

498
00:24:44,063 --> 00:24:46,899
Have you heard any credible reports

499
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:49,388
or anything at all that would substantiate

500
00:24:49,389 --> 00:24:52,329
that we have hardware or bodies?

501
00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:53,619
I know it's a tall order

502
00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:55,066
and I'm not trying to put you on the spot,

503
00:24:55,067 --> 00:24:58,131
but that's so significant if that's the case.

504
00:24:58,132 --> 00:25:00,423
What are you hearing, Congressman?

505
00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:06,159
Well, obviously due to my work on the hearing

506
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,689
and the oath that I've taken, you know,

507
00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:10,023
I won't talk about technology

508
00:25:10,024 --> 00:25:14,043
because it could compromise
our national security.

509
00:25:15,539 --> 00:25:18,129
I think it's important to
acknowledge our victories.

510
00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:19,269
Just a couple of years ago,

511
00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:21,706
if you brought up UAPs to other members of Congress,

512
00:25:21,707 --> 00:25:24,969
there's a chance you could be laughed at.

513
00:25:24,970 --> 00:25:27,789
You know, now we're seeing public statements

514
00:25:27,790 --> 00:25:30,159
from the White House Pentagon and more,

515
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,552
and there's a lot we don't know.

516
00:25:31,553 --> 00:25:33,332
I understand that can be frustrating,

517
00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:38,413
but we want to encourage folks, give kudos to you

518
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,709
to keep pushing for more
information and more answers.

519
00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:45,183
So we have a lot of work to do to remove the stigma.

520
00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:48,789
One thing I learned that, you know, as a reporter

521
00:25:48,790 --> 00:25:50,487
for 20 plus years in Washington is

522
00:25:50,488 --> 00:25:54,159
if the Congress learns it, we
will learn it too eventually

523
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,949
because Congress is the worst at keeping secrets.

524
00:25:56,950 --> 00:26:00,396
So it'll be interesting to see
how this process plays out,

525
00:26:00,397 --> 00:26:02,406
but you know, the pressure's on

526
00:26:02,407 --> 00:26:05,019
and I think the Pentagon, the CIA,

527
00:26:05,020 --> 00:26:07,550
other agencies are gonna have to answer the mail.

528
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,679
In late 2022,

529
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,553
President Biden signed legislation

530
00:26:16,554 --> 00:26:21,634
that established a mandate for
new UAP reporting procedures.

531
00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:26,380
Within the National Defense Act for 2023

532
00:26:26,381 --> 00:26:30,880
is a section outlining new UAP
reporting procedures relating

533
00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:33,909
to retrieved materials.

534
00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:37,209
One particular thing that really jumped out at me,

535
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:39,639
any activity or program by a department

536
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,439
or agency of the federal government

537
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,705
or a contractor of such a
department or agency relating

538
00:26:44,706 --> 00:26:48,064
to unidentified anomalous phenomena including

539
00:26:48,065 --> 00:26:53,145
with respect to material
retrieval, material analysis,

540
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,249
reverse engineering, research and development,

541
00:26:57,250 --> 00:26:59,769
detection and tracking, et cetera.

542
00:26:59,770 --> 00:27:01,389
That's some pretty incredible language.

543
00:27:01,390 --> 00:27:03,699
I don't even have to read between the lines there.

544
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:04,539
It's stunning.

545
00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,643
What they're saying is that all

546
00:27:06,644 --> 00:27:10,899
of these legends about Roswell.

547
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:12,459
The Army Air Forces has announced

548
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:14,439
that a flying disc has been found

549
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,569
and is now in the possession of the army.

550
00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:20,019
The disc landed at a ranch at Corona, New Mexico.

551
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:22,869
It was not anything from this earth...

552
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:25,629
We find it's sufficiently credible.

553
00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:28,710
We now have reason enough to
believe that may have happened.

554
00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:31,030
I mean it's incredible

555
00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:34,029
and I think it will lead to the realization

556
00:27:34,030 --> 00:27:35,160
that we're not alone,

557
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,903
but maybe we're not publicly ready for that yet.

558
00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:45,883
Our team takes to
the streets in Washington DC.

559
00:27:45,884 --> 00:27:48,339
I think if UFOs were real, I would not want to know.

560
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:51,099
It might just give me more anxiety.

561
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:53,019
So I think I would be really, really interested

562
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,819
to know if anyone else is out there.

563
00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:56,169
Even if it's scary.

564
00:27:56,170 --> 00:27:57,306
Even if it's scary, it's better-

565
00:27:57,307 --> 00:27:59,229
There's a right way to communicate that

566
00:27:59,230 --> 00:28:00,399
to the public though.

567
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,688
There needs to be a unified message on both sides

568
00:28:02,689 --> 00:28:04,869
of what could be going on

569
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:07,198
but I just think that people
need to have a consensus.

570
00:28:07,199 --> 00:28:08,223
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

571
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:13,299
There's no way to slowly reveal something like that

572
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:14,132
but I think it should just be talked about,

573
00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:17,829
like anything's talked about like sports.

574
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,569
Transparency is always a good thing

575
00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:21,249
so I do think it's something I care about.

576
00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:23,409
They wouldn't want to cause a mass hysteria.

577
00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:25,592
How are we safe? How
are things going on?

578
00:28:25,593 --> 00:28:27,219
I think that as citizens,

579
00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:30,123
we are citizens of this earth, not just this country.

580
00:28:30,124 --> 00:28:32,067
And as such, we would have a right

581
00:28:32,068 --> 00:28:34,539
to know what is beyond this earth.

582
00:28:34,540 --> 00:28:36,549
How would they tell us? By news or?

583
00:28:36,550 --> 00:28:38,207
Hide your kids, hide your wives, hide.

584
00:28:41,247 --> 00:28:43,299
- They're coming.
- They're coming to get you.

585
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,310
I'm feeling like...

586
00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:00,729
Is there other data?

587
00:29:00,730 --> 00:29:01,839
Is there other sensory data?

588
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,709
Is there other photographic
data, videotape, FLIR footage,

589
00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:09,549
things that you've seen that have not gotten out?

590
00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:12,333
Oh, there's lots more data that has not gotten out.

591
00:29:13,606 --> 00:29:15,288
- Like what?
- That I'm aware of and-

592
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:17,428
That you're aware of or that you saw?

593
00:29:17,429 --> 00:29:21,813
Well, that I saw,
that I worked on. Yeah.

594
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,539
Could you talk about it at all?

595
00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:26,453
No.

596
00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:32,279
All of the witnesses

597
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,882
in this film have been vetted as to the veracity

598
00:29:34,883 --> 00:29:38,338
of their government or contractor positions.

599
00:29:38,339 --> 00:29:41,349
Some appear anonymously as they work their way

600
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:44,374
through the Congressional
Whistleblower Protections program

601
00:29:44,375 --> 00:29:47,343
recently established by Congress.

602
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:52,389
They represent just a small portion

603
00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:55,034
of legitimate UAP whistleblowers wanting

604
00:29:55,035 --> 00:29:57,663
to testify under oath.

605
00:29:59,898 --> 00:30:01,907
I am sitting here today

606
00:30:01,908 --> 00:30:05,749
because the American people are being lied to

607
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:08,963
and I think it's high time that we rip the bandaid off

608
00:30:08,964 --> 00:30:11,379
and go for full transparency

609
00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:13,205
because I believe the American people,

610
00:30:13,206 --> 00:30:15,699
and quite frankly the people of the world

611
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,123
at this point have a right to know.

612
00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:21,421
So the government has done itself a disservice

613
00:30:21,422 --> 00:30:26,198
for whatever reason, because
in a lot of people's eyes-

614
00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:27,369
They've lied to us

615
00:30:27,370 --> 00:30:28,583
for like 75 years.
- This particular subject is

616
00:30:28,584 --> 00:30:31,449
where the government really started lying to us.

617
00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:35,229
Hi, my name is Lenval Logan.
Everyone calls me Logan.

618
00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:37,432
I'm a retired Air Force intelligence analyst

619
00:30:37,433 --> 00:30:40,599
that started off as a B-52
crew chief and cross-trained.

620
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,911
I had the opportunity to support the UAP Taskforce

621
00:30:43,912 --> 00:30:47,139
and I'm here to talk about

622
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:50,223
what I can at an unclassified
level to share what I know.

623
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,629
People are starting to come out.

624
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:55,569
You know, Congress is
saying, "Come, testify."

625
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:56,799
I am Sarah Gamm.

626
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,350
I was a research scientist
for the Department of Defense

627
00:30:59,351 --> 00:31:02,769
and during my years as a scientist, I was able

628
00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:05,499
to investigate and research classified

629
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:07,630
and unclassified reports of UAPs.

630
00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:09,992
Why now?

631
00:31:09,993 --> 00:31:11,890
I feel like it is the time

632
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:16,059
where I've seen the interest in the Congress.

633
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:17,919
So you're not aware of that?

634
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,707
I've seen the interest with the UFO programs

635
00:31:20,708 --> 00:31:22,839
and it just was very adversarial.

636
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,219
I get the fact that the technology,

637
00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:25,509
if you could separate that out

638
00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:27,039
and call that national security

639
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,941
that the technologies they're working on

640
00:31:28,942 --> 00:31:31,906
that has some reason to stay classified,

641
00:31:31,907 --> 00:31:35,049
but the revelation that
there's other life out there,

642
00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:37,302
that should be something for everybody.

643
00:31:37,303 --> 00:31:42,383
Did what you see convince you that the DOD

644
00:31:42,704 --> 00:31:46,599
or the intelligence agencies
have a lot more compelling data

645
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,730
than what the general public knows about?

646
00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:03,669
Yes, there's a lot more data out there.

647
00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:05,199
I'd say a fraction of it

648
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,399
that I was able to see is something unexplainable

649
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,349
like physics that's beyond our realm.

650
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:13,989
It's not an aircraft, it's not camera parallax,

651
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:16,509
it's not trash in the sky, it's not a balloon.

652
00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:19,599
It's something we don't know what it is.

653
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,489
It is a true UAP.

654
00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:23,476
Senate majority leader, Harry Reid said to me,

655
00:32:23,477 --> 00:32:26,349
"What's been released is
merely the tip of the iceberg."

656
00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:27,579
How do you respond to that?

657
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:30,749
Because I've supported the
taskforce and everything.

658
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:32,643
There's more data out there.

659
00:32:34,512 --> 00:32:37,059
More data out there or in there?

660
00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:39,939
Okay, more data behind closed doors.

661
00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:42,163
I'm a hundred
percent saying I have evidence

662
00:32:42,164 --> 00:32:45,128
and I've seen it of craft that perform

663
00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:48,789
with anomalous characteristics,

664
00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:53,139
completely silent, able to
maneuver at random speeds,

665
00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:55,960
stop on a dime, hover, take off again.

666
00:32:55,961 --> 00:32:59,049
Go into and out of the water.

667
00:32:59,050 --> 00:33:03,969
Yeah, we have 31 knots sustained wind, top side,

668
00:33:03,970 --> 00:33:05,352
gusts of 40.

669
00:33:05,353 --> 00:33:07,186
What was that splash?

670
00:33:07,187 --> 00:33:09,151
Mark bearing range.

671
00:33:09,152 --> 00:33:13,029
What do we
have that could do that?

672
00:33:13,030 --> 00:33:14,317
P1, Control doesn't know what type

673
00:33:14,318 --> 00:33:15,809
of aircraft it is either.

674
00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:17,979
It is really, truly amazing

675
00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:23,060
when I'm able to look at a report or video, photos

676
00:33:24,177 --> 00:33:26,943
and know that's not from here.

677
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:30,879
The number of emails that I've gotten alone

678
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,819
in the last two months from
other scientists saying,

679
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:35,450
how do I help?

680
00:33:35,451 --> 00:33:36,849
Physicists...

681
00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:40,164
Dr. Garry Nolan
is an American immunologist,

682
00:33:40,165 --> 00:33:44,259
academic inventor and business entrepreneur

683
00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:48,363
with his own lab at Stanford
University School of Medicine.

684
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:52,809
Dr. Nolan has worked on alleged exotic

685
00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:55,599
or meta materials in association

686
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,109
with members of the intelligence
and defense communities

687
00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:02,163
from UAP cases around the world.

688
00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:04,809
Do you know things

689
00:34:04,810 --> 00:34:06,361
that if you revealed them right here

690
00:34:06,362 --> 00:34:09,279
on camera, would get you in trouble?

691
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,193
Yes.

692
00:34:11,321 --> 00:34:13,533
Is it frustrating knowing those things?

693
00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:20,109
Yes and so I don't know anywhere near

694
00:34:20,110 --> 00:34:24,435
what I think some people do
know and people I know do know.

695
00:34:24,436 --> 00:34:29,516
And so it's not what I know, it's what they do.

696
00:34:30,563 --> 00:34:31,689
And I think that that's the reason

697
00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:34,659
why you're seeing this concerted effort

698
00:34:34,660 --> 00:34:36,562
from individuals within the government

699
00:34:36,563 --> 00:34:38,869
who are saying, enough is enough,

700
00:34:38,870 --> 00:34:41,253
time to get this information out.

701
00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:44,462
I'm a hundred
percent saying I have evidence

702
00:34:44,463 --> 00:34:45,672
and I've seen.

703
00:34:45,673 --> 00:34:49,059
It's stuff at the secrets housed on SIPR,

704
00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:51,743
stuff at the top secret levels housed on JWICS.

705
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:57,819
On these systems, there are
very high quality image files

706
00:34:57,820 --> 00:35:00,862
showing UAPs doing transmedium travel,

707
00:35:00,863 --> 00:35:03,213
and atmospheric entry, et cetera.

708
00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:07,489
Science can't explain this stuff,

709
00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:10,419
but you can't explain it
based on a shaky iPhone video

710
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:12,519
that somebody took while camping.

711
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,679
It's frustrating when I hear

712
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,469
mainstream scientific community

713
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:20,539
on all the talk shows criticizing the lack

714
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:23,799
of more compelling data when I know it exists.

715
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,399
It seems to me aliens who visited us,

716
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,109
they would manifest more
convincingly than fuzzy video.

717
00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:34,359
And then there's all these different excuses

718
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,042
as to why it's not being released.

719
00:35:36,043 --> 00:35:38,979
I get that and I'm sure that some of that is relevant.

720
00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:41,979
However, the bigger issue is

721
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:45,669
they have definitive confirmation
that these craft are real

722
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:47,126
and they don't know where the fuck they come from.

723
00:35:47,127 --> 00:35:48,693
Excuse my French.

724
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:52,689
Okay, that's it. I know that's the case.

725
00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:55,389
There's enough evidence out
there that demands a verdict

726
00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:58,509
that says, yes, there's something going on.

727
00:35:58,510 --> 00:36:01,795
Is there enough evidence to say
that these are off worlders?

728
00:36:01,796 --> 00:36:05,007
Some of us would say yes, some of us would say no.

729
00:36:05,008 --> 00:36:10,088
But collaboratively, with the
right people working together,

730
00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:11,289
I think we could come up

731
00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:13,720
with a definitive answer and the answer is yes.

732
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:35,949
His name is Gary McKinnon.

733
00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:37,269
He's 46 years old.

734
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:40,089
He hacked into the computers of NASA, the US Army,

735
00:36:40,090 --> 00:36:42,939
the Navy, the Air Force, - And broke into some

736
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:46,779
of the most secret US military computer networks.

737
00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:49,340
97 US military and NASA computers.

738
00:36:49,341 --> 00:36:51,279
But he claims he was just looking

739
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,429
for secret evidence of
unidentified flying objects.

740
00:36:54,430 --> 00:36:56,859
Snooping for UFOs drafted Gary McKinnon.

741
00:36:56,860 --> 00:36:57,729
The Americans say

742
00:36:57,730 --> 00:36:59,619
McKinnon is a cyber terrorist

743
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:02,439
who caused almost half a
million pounds worth of damage

744
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,479
to military computers.

745
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,529
Live in our studios in New York

746
00:37:05,530 --> 00:37:07,929
and US officials are not at all happy about this one.

747
00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:09,309
Not at all.

748
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:11,769
He stumbled on unedited satellite images of,

749
00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:14,769
as he said, out of this world flying objects.

750
00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:16,329
In 2002, he was charged

751
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:19,359
with the biggest US military hack in the universe.

752
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,459
What did he find in the way of UFO evidence?

753
00:37:21,460 --> 00:37:23,138
Well, he says he spent a year looking

754
00:37:23,139 --> 00:37:25,239
through these computer systems

755
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,629
and he found, he says photographic proof

756
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:30,835
of alien spacecraft and the names

757
00:37:30,836 --> 00:37:35,679
and ranks of something he
called non-terrestrial officers.

758
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,703
He has not at this point shared those names with us.

759
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,309
If extradition does go ahead.

760
00:37:45,310 --> 00:37:48,423
Gary could face 60 years in an American prison.

761
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,139
The crew caught up with Gary McKinnon

762
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,053
in the English countryside.

763
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:58,599
How many people wanted to know what you saw?

764
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,513
Oh god.

765
00:38:00,521 --> 00:38:04,383
Newspapers, film companies, book writers,

766
00:38:05,372 --> 00:38:08,559
and television stations.

767
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,109
Yeah, I've lost count.

768
00:38:11,110 --> 00:38:13,006
Oh my god, "You're Gary McKinnon."

769
00:38:13,007 --> 00:38:14,007
"Yeah."

770
00:38:15,787 --> 00:38:17,637
"What did you see? Is it true?" Yeah.

771
00:38:20,883 --> 00:38:24,579
They very much want to get him back here

772
00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:26,409
to face American justice.

773
00:38:26,410 --> 00:38:27,909
One official here at the Home Office

774
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:29,289
told me the fresh evidence left

775
00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:31,149
Theresa May, the home secretary

776
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:34,149
with little option but to extradite McKinnon.

777
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:36,129
By 2008 I was so low

778
00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:38,229
because we went for court case after court case

779
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:41,339
and judicial review and losing every time.

780
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:44,259
And eventually I thought, look, I'm gonna,

781
00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:45,969
I had a good talk with myself,

782
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:48,249
I'm gonna either spend the rest of my life

783
00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:50,319
until I die in a foreign prison.

784
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,360
So I decided to take my own life

785
00:38:54,812 --> 00:38:58,593
because I thought I'm not
giving my life to to prison so.

786
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:04,359
Gary McKinnon had hacked

787
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,909
into a number of military networks,

788
00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:10,599
but it was through a subnet at Johnson Space Center

789
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,973
that he hit pay dirt.

790
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:16,059
I was on dial up, 56K dial up

791
00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:19,389
and it took me five minutes
to download one megabyte.

792
00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:22,326
So I thought, I've gotta do this before I get caught.

793
00:39:22,327 --> 00:39:23,973
I've gotta download.

794
00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:26,650
I was trying to steal the truth.

795
00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:30,700
Slowly this image started to appear as black

796
00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:33,519
and then it lightened

797
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,439
and then it was the hemisphere of a planet.

798
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,059
I assumed earth.

799
00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:41,379
And then I started to see the
top of a tubular shape thing.

800
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:43,719
It's silvery white metallic looking.

801
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,339
It got about halfway down the screen.

802
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:48,189
And this was a craft floating
above, I assumed the earth.

803
00:39:48,190 --> 00:39:51,423
I didn't see land masses, but I saw cloud cover.

804
00:39:53,002 --> 00:39:55,419
Totally not manmade. It was very smooth.

805
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:57,489
There were no rivets, no seams.

806
00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:59,463
Just this very smooth tube shape.

807
00:40:01,165 --> 00:40:03,912
And it got two thirds of the way down the screen

808
00:40:03,913 --> 00:40:07,664
and I was sitting there with
bated breath waiting for this

809
00:40:07,665 --> 00:40:09,873
gold dust to come into my lap.

810
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:14,439
But then I saw the mouse move

811
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,272
and the mouse pointer moved

812
00:40:15,273 --> 00:40:16,411
to the bottom right of the screen

813
00:40:16,412 --> 00:40:19,299
and right clicked on the local area network icon

814
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,249
and the popup menu and chose disconnect

815
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:25,389
and boom, blank screen and that was me blocked out.

816
00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:26,889
So it was my eureka moment,

817
00:40:26,890 --> 00:40:30,213
but also my, shit, I've been caught.

818
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,329
Mr. McKinnon is accused
of serious crimes.

819
00:40:34,330 --> 00:40:35,266
Then you really do think,

820
00:40:35,267 --> 00:40:37,089
you know, the Talking Heads song.

821
00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:39,669
Oh my god, what have I done?

822
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:40,833
Very heavy shit.

823
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:46,322
The gravity of

824
00:40:46,323 --> 00:40:48,892
Gary McKinnon's alleged defenses are not in doubt.

825
00:40:48,893 --> 00:40:51,667
There have been discussions
between the British government

826
00:40:51,668 --> 00:40:54,669
and the American ambassador
about potential steps

827
00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:56,349
that could be taken in this case.

828
00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,192
On his visit to the White House, David Cameron spoke

829
00:40:58,193 --> 00:41:00,634
to President Obama about the case

830
00:41:00,635 --> 00:41:04,509
and both agreed they could
find an appropriate solution.

831
00:41:04,510 --> 00:41:06,669
One of the traditions we have is

832
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:09,485
the president doesn't get involved in

833
00:41:09,486 --> 00:41:14,229
decisions around prosecutions,
extradition matters.

834
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:16,209
Since I came into office, the sole issue

835
00:41:16,210 --> 00:41:19,089
on which I have been required to make a decision is

836
00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:20,167
whether Mr. McKinnon's extradition

837
00:41:20,168 --> 00:41:24,066
to the United States would breach his human rights.

838
00:41:24,067 --> 00:41:26,499
After careful consideration of all

839
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:29,557
of the relevant material, I have concluded

840
00:41:29,558 --> 00:41:33,099
that Mr. McKinnon's
extradition would give rise

841
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:34,969
to such a high risk of him ending his life.

842
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:36,000
Hear! Hear!

843
00:41:38,733 --> 00:41:40,569
That a decision to extradite
would be incompatible

844
00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:42,069
with Mr. McKinnon's human rights.

845
00:41:42,070 --> 00:41:45,189
I have therefore withdrawn the extradition order

846
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:46,179
against Mr. McKinnon.

847
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:47,093
Hear! Hear!

848
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,939
That was incredible, Theresa May.

849
00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:53,829
I cried like a baby.

850
00:41:53,830 --> 00:41:56,096
You know that huge relief 10 years of,

851
00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:59,259
'cause you know us, men, we bottle it up, don't we?

852
00:41:59,260 --> 00:42:01,719
It's all just keep it in, keep it down

853
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,155
and it all just, floodgates.

854
00:42:04,156 --> 00:42:06,363
But yeah, incredible day.

855
00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:09,519
I want to say thank you Theresa May

856
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,401
'cause it was an incredibly brave decision

857
00:42:11,402 --> 00:42:14,529
to stand up to another nation

858
00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:17,218
as strong and powerful as America is rare

859
00:42:17,219 --> 00:42:19,659
and she had the guts to do it.

860
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:23,103
We've done it. We've won
for the little person.

861
00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:27,639
Mr. McKinnon is
forbidden to travel outside

862
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,619
of England and Wales for the rest of his life

863
00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:34,413
unless he receives a pardon from the United States.

864
00:42:57,690 --> 00:43:01,119
There are a number of ways in which this story

865
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,210
could have been, shall we say, managed

866
00:43:05,188 --> 00:43:08,673
to stop it getting out, which was our intention.

867
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:12,789
They were bracing for impact.

868
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:13,809
Yeah, they were.

869
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:15,729
- Of this story coming out.
- Yeah.

870
00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:20,810
Dr. David Clarke uncovered
what many say is the UFO case

871
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:21,993
of the century.

872
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:24,876
August, 1990.

873
00:43:24,877 --> 00:43:28,089
Scotland's Daily Record was on the eve

874
00:43:28,090 --> 00:43:31,449
of publishing a story involving two witnesses

875
00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:34,443
and six 35-millimeter photographs.

876
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,469
Then the Ministry of Defense stepped in

877
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:42,850
and the witnesses and prints
vanished for over 30 years

878
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:46,059
And he was worried about whether he would get

879
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:48,309
into trouble with the
official secrets like he said.

880
00:43:48,310 --> 00:43:50,529
After over a decade of research,

881
00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:52,149
Dr. Clarke discovered one

882
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:54,374
of the early investigators of the case,

883
00:43:54,375 --> 00:43:58,264
Royal Air Force Press Officer, Craig Lindsay,

884
00:43:58,265 --> 00:44:00,519
one of the officials known

885
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,229
to have interviewed the witnesses.

886
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:05,039
Something that could hover
without making any noise

887
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,179
and travel at the speed that this guy said

888
00:44:07,180 --> 00:44:11,403
that went vertically upwards
is utterly beyond my knowledge.

889
00:44:13,077 --> 00:44:18,077
How they keep it quiet for 30
odd years, again, beyond me.

890
00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:26,199
In August of
1990, two hotel employees left

891
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,469
after their shift for a late afternoon hike

892
00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:33,033
in the town of Calvine just a few miles away.

893
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,919
It was the Atholl Palace Hotel

894
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,289
because when they mentioned the name,

895
00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:41,409
that hotel's got lots of, you
know, pinnacles and things.

896
00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:44,523
It's a very Disney type of place.

897
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:50,643
Two witnesses were out hiking.

898
00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:57,380
They then saw a large diamond
shaped craft hovering.

899
00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:02,582
It didn't move.

900
00:45:02,583 --> 00:45:06,003
It just hovered in the air without making any noise.

901
00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:10,584
With the help

902
00:45:10,585 --> 00:45:12,579
of Calvine resident, Giles Stevens,

903
00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:16,593
we were able to find the probable
location of the encounter.

904
00:45:18,210 --> 00:45:21,843
The two witnesses most likely hid under this tree.

905
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:26,049
The witnesses looked at this for a while

906
00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:27,723
and one of them had a camera.

907
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:33,303
The craft was hovering silently

908
00:45:33,304 --> 00:45:35,184
and they were terrified.

909
00:45:35,185 --> 00:45:37,179
That's what they said to me,

910
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:38,811
that all they want to do is to hide.

911
00:45:38,812 --> 00:45:42,279
But when the jet came along, they sort

912
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,908
of stuck the camera out from behind the bush

913
00:45:43,909 --> 00:45:46,593
and snapped six frames.

914
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:58,449
They got a picture of the likes

915
00:45:58,450 --> 00:46:00,880
of which I don't think anybody has seen before.

916
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,485
The bit that then stands out is that I asked him

917
00:46:06,486 --> 00:46:08,859
what happened next and he said we watched it

918
00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:11,268
for another minute or two
and then it started to move.

919
00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:12,826
"And how did it move?"

920
00:46:12,827 --> 00:46:14,349
"Oh, it started to go up

921
00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:15,819
and then it got faster and faster and faster

922
00:46:15,820 --> 00:46:18,177
and disappeared straight up."

923
00:46:21,083 --> 00:46:23,183
And I said, "What sort
of noise did it make?"

924
00:46:23,184 --> 00:46:27,429
And I got the instant answer,
"It didn't make any noise."

925
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:29,349
And that was the bit where suddenly everything

926
00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:32,799
in my head went, wait a minute,
I don't know of any aircraft

927
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,909
that can hover and can
maneuver at that kind of speed

928
00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:38,559
and doesn't make a noise.

929
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,090
That's when I kind of woke up to the whole thing.

930
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,299
It would've blown our standard line out of the water.

931
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:53,853
Therefore we wanted to bury this and we did.

932
00:46:56,730 --> 00:47:01,604
All the photographs and all
the negatives were acquired

933
00:47:01,605 --> 00:47:05,973
by the Ministry of Defense and
they were never seen again.

934
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,779
Despite efforts
of the Ministry of Defense

935
00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:16,282
to keep this evidence from the public,

936
00:47:16,283 --> 00:47:21,363
Royal Air Force Press Officer,
Craig Lindsay kept one print,

937
00:47:21,848 --> 00:47:23,195
which he has now donated

938
00:47:23,196 --> 00:47:25,880
to the Center for Contemporary Legend,

939
00:47:25,881 --> 00:47:30,573
where it was analyzed by photo
specialist, Andrew Robinson.

940
00:47:33,897 --> 00:47:34,839
The first time he mentioned it to me,

941
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,999
he said, "I've got this photograph,

942
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,739
I wonder if you could copy it for me.

943
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:40,677
I'm going up to Scotland to get it."

944
00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:45,969
Everything fitted with the story.

945
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:47,582
It substantiates the narrative

946
00:47:47,583 --> 00:47:49,302
that's been told about it,

947
00:47:49,303 --> 00:47:51,309
that the grain seems very smooth

948
00:47:51,310 --> 00:47:52,539
over the edges of the object.

949
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:54,257
There's no sign that anything was done

950
00:47:54,258 --> 00:47:56,793
to this after the image was taken.

951
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:09,980
So Craig Lindsay at the RVF saved this

952
00:48:09,981 --> 00:48:13,654
for 30 plus years.
- Yes.

953
00:48:13,655 --> 00:48:15,854
Even after retirement, he took it with him

954
00:48:15,855 --> 00:48:18,009
when he left the office in 2000.

955
00:48:18,010 --> 00:48:19,059
He's kind of a hero.

956
00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:20,109
He is a real hero.

957
00:48:20,110 --> 00:48:24,249
We would know so less about this story now

958
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:26,380
if it wasn't for Craig doing what he did.

959
00:48:32,670 --> 00:48:36,788
The reason that this was a
good photo was twofold really.

960
00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:39,870
Firstly it was daylight,

961
00:48:39,871 --> 00:48:42,193
but secondly, far more importantly,

962
00:48:42,194 --> 00:48:44,800
there were features of the ground

963
00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:50,350
and what that meant of course
is that one can triangulate,

964
00:48:50,351 --> 00:48:53,037
one can start to make detailed calculations

965
00:48:53,038 --> 00:48:57,189
about the distance of the object from the camera,

966
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:59,583
the height above the ground, et cetera.

967
00:49:01,830 --> 00:49:05,046
The bottom line was everyone
was very impressed with this

968
00:49:05,047 --> 00:49:09,783
and said, no, it's a solid structured real craft.

969
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:13,989
Where are the wings? Where's the fuselage?

970
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:16,611
Where are the engines?
How does this thing fly?

971
00:49:16,612 --> 00:49:20,379
And what we were interested in trying to do

972
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:22,719
from the images is to try

973
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,959
and almost reverse engineer an idea about

974
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,699
what kind of propulsion system was involved here

975
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:33,219
and that we hoped would give us a clue

976
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,373
as to who was operating this.

977
00:49:36,484 --> 00:49:40,299
The last thing we wanted was an open discussion

978
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:44,495
about these up close and personal daylight images

979
00:49:44,496 --> 00:49:49,576
of a huge unknown craft of some type

980
00:49:50,430 --> 00:49:53,133
with military aircraft in the background.

981
00:49:55,770 --> 00:50:00,190
If you have a date and a location and a time

982
00:50:00,191 --> 00:50:04,206
when a military aircraft
was seen, you would find out

983
00:50:04,207 --> 00:50:07,419
in an instant what aircraft it was,

984
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:12,369
what squadron it came from, who the air crew were

985
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:14,850
and you would instantly be able to debrief them.

986
00:50:15,739 --> 00:50:20,333
For whatever reason, the Ministry of Defense line

987
00:50:20,334 --> 00:50:25,414
on this is that the aircraft was not traced

988
00:50:27,344 --> 00:50:29,763
and the pilots were not interviewed.

989
00:50:33,930 --> 00:50:35,829
The overwhelming consensus is

990
00:50:35,830 --> 00:50:37,509
that the military plane seen

991
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:40,509
in the photo is a Harrier jump jet

992
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:44,223
but neither records nor a
pilot's name has been found.

993
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:49,967
So we've got three possible scenarios.

994
00:50:49,968 --> 00:50:51,903
One, hoax.

995
00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:57,429
Two, secret stealth military aircraft belonging

996
00:50:57,430 --> 00:51:00,298
to the United States or some other foreign power,

997
00:51:00,299 --> 00:51:05,139
or three, which would fall
into the category of other

998
00:51:05,140 --> 00:51:08,643
which would imply originating
from a non-human intelligence.

999
00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:15,429
At one point during my posting on the UFO desk,

1000
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:19,599
I went to a briefing, a more
general briefing about UAP

1001
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,399
and this photo was brought out

1002
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,569
and the briefer who was in the
intelligence community said,

1003
00:51:25,570 --> 00:51:28,419
you know, "This photo here," he said,

1004
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:30,039
and he started gesticulating

1005
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,042
and he said, you know, "It's
not the United States."

1006
00:51:34,043 --> 00:51:39,123
And he said, "It's not
Russia and that only leaves."

1007
00:51:39,822 --> 00:51:43,629
And he pointed straight up
and we looked at his finger

1008
00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:47,343
and we looked at the ceiling
and nothing further was said.

1009
00:51:52,187 --> 00:51:54,489
Now 34 years

1010
00:51:54,490 --> 00:51:58,299
after their disappearance, a coworker at the hotel,

1011
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:01,360
Richard Grieve, has broken his silence

1012
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,990
I know the people that took the photograph.

1013
00:52:07,927 --> 00:52:10,493
I'd go my grave swearing

1014
00:52:10,494 --> 00:52:15,099
on my great-great-great-great
great grandchildren's lives

1015
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:16,533
on that, yes.

1016
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:20,409
I worked with them in the kitchen.

1017
00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:22,072
I served fried eggs with 'em.

1018
00:52:22,073 --> 00:52:25,209
I made poached eggs, they made toast.

1019
00:52:25,210 --> 00:52:28,853
You know, we was five of us in the kitchen.

1020
00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:32,393
Ewan was a good breakfast chef.

1021
00:52:33,873 --> 00:52:35,493
I've just named one of them.

1022
00:52:37,024 --> 00:52:39,669
A few days after taking the photos,

1023
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:41,417
the witnesses and their coworkers were

1024
00:52:41,418 --> 00:52:43,997
on a five minute cigarette break

1025
00:52:43,998 --> 00:52:46,509
when they had an unexpected visit.

1026
00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:49,176
Pissing wet with rain, thundering weather,

1027
00:52:49,177 --> 00:52:51,090
big black car appears.

1028
00:52:52,456 --> 00:52:55,719
The car came out, the light stayed on,

1029
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:57,732
the window wipers stayed on,

1030
00:52:57,733 --> 00:53:01,929
private glass in the back, driver in the front.

1031
00:53:01,930 --> 00:53:04,173
He never got out of his car once,

1032
00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:07,053
but the two people in the back did.

1033
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,276
They stepped out the back and that was it.

1034
00:53:10,277 --> 00:53:13,329
"Cigarette break is over, go back inside.

1035
00:53:13,330 --> 00:53:15,807
We need to speak to your friends."

1036
00:53:18,469 --> 00:53:20,799
Richard and the other chefs watched

1037
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,809
through a nearby hotel window

1038
00:53:22,810 --> 00:53:25,470
as the two strangers confronted their coworkers

1039
00:53:25,471 --> 00:53:27,093
in the parking lot.

1040
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:31,029
They were fucking spooks.

1041
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:32,829
They were men in black

1042
00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:36,723
and they stood outside in the
pissing rain speaking to them.

1043
00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:42,639
After roughly
10 minutes, the men drove off

1044
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,669
and the two witnesses came back inside.

1045
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:47,469
They came in the back door.

1046
00:53:47,470 --> 00:53:50,253
They looked white as a fucking ghost.

1047
00:53:52,110 --> 00:53:53,905
Something happened to them.

1048
00:53:53,906 --> 00:53:56,903
They've seen something.

1049
00:53:56,904 --> 00:54:01,067
Whoever came out the car scared the absolute crap

1050
00:54:01,951 --> 00:54:02,951
out of them.

1051
00:54:04,471 --> 00:54:05,986
Guess what?

1052
00:54:05,987 --> 00:54:07,692
"We've taken a picture of UFO

1053
00:54:07,693 --> 00:54:09,963
"and the Americans are after us."

1054
00:54:14,104 --> 00:54:16,277
Whatever got said to them outside,

1055
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,459
they were not the same chefs

1056
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:21,637
that left the same kitchen
I was working in with them.

1057
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:24,759
According to their coworker, Richard,

1058
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,678
the two witnesses started to
drink heavily, missed shifts,

1059
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:30,778
slept in their cars at work

1060
00:54:30,779 --> 00:54:35,523
and after four weeks they vanished without a trace.

1061
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,974
Chefs don't just disappear

1062
00:54:37,975 --> 00:54:42,962
out of their kitchen for 34
years and not have no other job.

1063
00:54:42,963 --> 00:54:45,123
Do you hear what I'm saying?

1064
00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:49,900
You just don't fuck off and not work ever again.

1065
00:54:49,901 --> 00:54:54,572
Where are they?

1066
00:54:54,573 --> 00:54:56,716
Even if they do tip up to be dead,

1067
00:54:56,717 --> 00:55:00,047
I'd still like to know where they went.

1068
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:28,089
Back in Washington
DC, the filmmakers arrive

1069
00:55:28,090 --> 00:55:31,119
at NASA headquarters for a press conference

1070
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,535
where the head of NASA will announce the results

1071
00:55:33,536 --> 00:55:37,323
of their first year long UAP study.

1072
00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:40,539
The announcement was made
during a news conference

1073
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:44,610
on findings from NASA's
headquarters in Washington DC

1074
00:55:44,611 --> 00:55:49,479
We, NASA have taken for the
first time concrete action

1075
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,038
to seriously look into UAP.

1076
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:55,976
UAP are one of our planet's greatest mysteries.

1077
00:55:55,977 --> 00:55:57,686
We looked at NASA's assets.

1078
00:55:57,687 --> 00:56:00,916
They typically do not have the resolution needed

1079
00:56:00,917 --> 00:56:02,593
for UAP events.

1080
00:56:02,594 --> 00:56:06,039
They relied on unclassified data only.

1081
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,206
The NASA independent study team.

1082
00:56:08,207 --> 00:56:10,971
Based on our current findings and methodology

1083
00:56:10,972 --> 00:56:14,769
that we find no evidence to suggest that UAP.

1084
00:56:14,770 --> 00:56:17,529
Have an extra terrestrial origin.

1085
00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:20,559
Most events are explainable as planes.

1086
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,818
Balloons, drones, satellites.

1087
00:56:23,819 --> 00:56:27,369
Aircraft seen with the sun glinting off of them.

1088
00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:29,880
Weather phenomenon and instrument features.

1089
00:56:29,881 --> 00:56:34,961
But we don't know what these UAP are,

1090
00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:37,450
but we're gonna try to find out.

1091
00:56:38,304 --> 00:56:41,110
You said at the beginning of the meeting

1092
00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:43,960
that NASA will be transparent.

1093
00:56:43,961 --> 00:56:45,874
Well, a month and a half ago,

1094
00:56:45,875 --> 00:56:49,763
Mr. David Grusch said
under oath in Congress

1095
00:56:49,764 --> 00:56:52,917
that US government is in possession of UAPs

1096
00:56:52,918 --> 00:56:54,675
and extraterrestrial life.

1097
00:56:54,676 --> 00:56:59,492
Do you believe what Mr. David
Grusch said or is he lying?

1098
00:56:59,493 --> 00:57:00,729
What he said,

1099
00:57:00,730 --> 00:57:05,079
if I recall having seen this on the nightly news,

1100
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,095
was that he had a friend

1101
00:57:07,096 --> 00:57:11,289
that knew where a warehouse was

1102
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:15,699
that had UFO locked up in a warehouse.

1103
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:17,709
I served at the NRO Operations Center

1104
00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:19,989
on the Director's briefing staff,

1105
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:21,279
which included the coordination

1106
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,049
of the presidential daily brief

1107
00:57:23,050 --> 00:57:25,899
and supporting variety of
contingency operations,

1108
00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:30,039
which I was the reserve
intelligence division chief backup.

1109
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,223
For the first time in history,

1110
00:57:32,224 --> 00:57:34,209
an intelligence officer

1111
00:57:34,210 --> 00:57:38,887
with top level security
clearances testified under oath

1112
00:57:38,888 --> 00:57:42,812
that the US government has definitive proof

1113
00:57:42,813 --> 00:57:45,350
that we're not alone.

1114
00:57:45,351 --> 00:57:47,200
Mr. Grusch.

1115
00:57:50,853 --> 00:57:53,502
Mr. Chairman, ranking
members and congressman.

1116
00:57:53,503 --> 00:57:55,569
My name is David Charles Grusch.

1117
00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:59,469
I was an intelligence officer
for 14 years both in the US...

1118
00:57:59,470 --> 00:58:03,639
Mr. Grusch, a
decorated combat veteran,

1119
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,973
had been tasked by multiple agencies

1120
00:58:05,974 --> 00:58:11,054
to look specifically into
classified UAP evidence.

1121
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:12,549
I was my agency's co-lead

1122
00:58:12,550 --> 00:58:14,379
in unidentified anomalous phenomena

1123
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:17,259
and transmedium object analysis

1124
00:58:17,260 --> 00:58:20,099
as well as reporting to the UAP taskforce.

1125
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:24,009
The inspector general
deemed his whistleblower claim

1126
00:58:24,010 --> 00:58:26,523
both credible and urgent.

1127
00:58:28,035 --> 00:58:30,249
Mr. Grusch, in the last couple

1128
00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:34,089
of years have you had
incidences that have caused you

1129
00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:37,305
to be in fear for your life
for addressing these issues?

1130
00:58:37,306 --> 00:58:39,064
Yes, personally.

1131
00:58:39,065 --> 00:58:42,510
Upon discovering a rogue UAP program,

1132
00:58:42,511 --> 00:58:46,509
Mr. Grusch felt going
public was his only option.

1133
00:58:46,510 --> 00:58:47,589
I just want everyone to note

1134
00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:50,739
that he's coming forward in fear of his life.

1135
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:51,819
To put it in perspective,

1136
00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:54,489
if they were really not scared
about this information coming

1137
00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:55,982
out, why would someone be intimidated like that?

1138
00:58:55,983 --> 00:58:57,879
Has the US government become aware

1139
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,039
of actual evidence of extraterrestrial

1140
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,009
otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence?

1141
00:59:03,010 --> 00:59:05,833
I was informed in the course of my official duties

1142
00:59:05,834 --> 00:59:10,059
of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval

1143
00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:12,219
and reverse engineering program,

1144
00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:14,775
I made the decision based on the data I collected

1145
00:59:14,776 --> 00:59:18,849
to report this information to my superiors

1146
00:59:18,850 --> 00:59:20,567
and multiple inspectors general

1147
00:59:20,568 --> 00:59:22,648
and in effect, becoming a whistleblower.

1148
00:59:22,649 --> 00:59:25,239
What level of security clearance is required

1149
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,365
to fully access these programs?

1150
00:59:27,366 --> 00:59:30,710
You know, TS/SCI clearance
meets the eligibility criteria.

1151
00:59:30,711 --> 00:59:33,129
The access adjudicated authority should be able

1152
00:59:33,130 --> 00:59:34,839
to grant you access.

1153
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:35,739
Mr. Grusch if you'll yield,

1154
00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:37,666
so just to put a fine point on that.

1155
00:59:37,667 --> 00:59:39,439
You know, he knows all this information

1156
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,499
but by law he can't tell it to us

1157
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,539
unless we're in a secure environment.

1158
00:59:43,540 --> 00:59:47,169
It's something I can't discuss in public setting.

1159
00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:48,459
Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe

1160
00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:50,790
that our government is in possession of UAPs?

1161
00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:53,271
Absolutely, based on interviewing

1162
00:59:53,272 --> 00:59:55,569
over 40 witnesses over four years.

1163
00:59:55,570 --> 00:59:57,121
And where?

1164
00:59:57,122 --> 00:59:59,169
I know the exact locations

1165
00:59:59,170 --> 01:00:02,080
and those locations were
provided to the Inspector General

1166
01:00:02,081 --> 01:00:04,569
and some to the intelligence committees,

1167
01:00:04,570 --> 01:00:07,450
I actually had the people
with the firsthand knowledge

1168
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:11,260
provide a protected disclosure
to the Inspector General.

1169
01:00:12,245 --> 01:00:15,579
I handle intelligence and cybersecurity for the...

1170
01:00:15,580 --> 01:00:18,219
Kirk McConnell, a former staff member

1171
01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:21,377
for the Senate Armed Services
Committee was present

1172
01:00:21,378 --> 01:00:24,369
at meetings with current and former government

1173
01:00:24,370 --> 01:00:27,801
and contractor personnel
claiming firsthand knowledge

1174
01:00:27,802 --> 01:00:31,045
of involvement in crash recovery operations,

1175
01:00:31,046 --> 01:00:35,709
intelligence operations and
reverse engineering programs.

1176
01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:40,675
They have or have had very
high level security clearances.

1177
01:00:40,676 --> 01:00:45,009
They appear to be rational and believable.

1178
01:00:45,010 --> 01:00:48,434
You're telling me people have come forward

1179
01:00:48,435 --> 01:00:53,380
behind the scenes claiming firsthand knowledge

1180
01:00:55,137 --> 01:00:57,519
of craft of non-human origin?

1181
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,193
That's correct. They have.

1182
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,569
We have, let's say sources,
we have individuals, people

1183
01:01:04,570 --> 01:01:07,794
who have asserted not only
that there have been crashes

1184
01:01:07,795 --> 01:01:10,149
but there have been crash retrievals

1185
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:13,629
and that there is a crash retrieval effort

1186
01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:16,209
that has spanned a significant period of time

1187
01:01:16,210 --> 01:01:18,423
since the end of the Second World War.

1188
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:24,145
And so it does deserve to be looked at seriously

1189
01:01:24,146 --> 01:01:26,013
and not dismissed.

1190
01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:36,699
You know, I've always kept
and tried to keep an open mind

1191
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:39,189
and I really believe it's all about the data.

1192
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:40,909
I'm very empirical

1193
01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:44,469
and I'm not gonna say take a
conclusive position on this

1194
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:47,319
until there is absolute conclusive proof.

1195
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,159
But at this point together with some other sources,

1196
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,640
I started to think, oh my god, it's really true.

1197
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,836
In 2020, former
Deputy Assistant Secretary

1198
01:01:58,837 --> 01:02:03,135
of Defense for Intelligence,
Christopher Mellon engaged

1199
01:02:03,136 --> 01:02:05,709
in confidential correspondence

1200
01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:09,309
with a high level government
official with credible access

1201
01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:12,879
who described in considerable detail aspects

1202
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,361
of an alleged UAP recovery program.

1203
01:02:16,362 --> 01:02:18,724
After he cleared it for release,

1204
01:02:18,725 --> 01:02:22,720
Mellon provided an unredacted
copy with names including

1205
01:02:22,721 --> 01:02:25,659
that of the gatekeeper of the program

1206
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:27,669
to select members of Congress.

1207
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:30,472
I was flabbergasted when I got this message.

1208
01:02:30,473 --> 01:02:34,322
This is from somebody that I knew,

1209
01:02:34,323 --> 01:02:36,908
a senior government official

1210
01:02:36,909 --> 01:02:41,989
with appropriate clearances
and access telling me

1211
01:02:44,736 --> 01:02:49,736
that UAP have landed and been recovered

1212
01:02:50,610 --> 01:02:52,524
and there was a formal government program

1213
01:02:52,525 --> 01:02:57,605
and he had encountered it, discovered it

1214
01:02:57,870 --> 01:03:00,003
and was seeking to be read into it.

1215
01:03:01,279 --> 01:03:05,799
Blank and I are making huge progress getting

1216
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,839
into the crash retrieval program.

1217
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,262
So it's not just one individual, it's two

1218
01:03:10,263 --> 01:03:13,359
who are involved and witting.

1219
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,459
He plans to meet with you at some point.

1220
01:03:16,460 --> 01:03:19,403
Senate Armed Services and
Intelligence Committees

1221
01:03:19,404 --> 01:03:23,529
would be slack jawed if they
found out what we now know.

1222
01:03:23,530 --> 01:03:25,041
We're dealing with the recovered UAP

1223
01:03:25,042 --> 01:03:30,122
that landed not crashed, landed in Kingman, Arizona

1224
01:03:30,330 --> 01:03:31,749
in the fifties.

1225
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:36,159
We also know who recovers landed or crashed UAPs

1226
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,658
under what authorities.

1227
01:03:37,659 --> 01:03:39,819
We know the management structure

1228
01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:41,709
and the security control systems

1229
01:03:41,710 --> 01:03:43,787
and ownership of the program.

1230
01:03:43,788 --> 01:03:46,299
We know a still-highly classified memo

1231
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:49,130
by the secretary of the Air
Force in the fifties is still

1232
01:03:49,131 --> 01:03:51,526
in effect to maintain the cover.

1233
01:03:51,527 --> 01:03:53,862
We also know who the Air Force gatekeeper is

1234
01:03:53,863 --> 01:03:56,019
and he names him.

1235
01:03:56,020 --> 01:03:58,389
The gatekeeper is the individual

1236
01:03:58,390 --> 01:04:01,197
who manages access to the program.

1237
01:04:01,198 --> 01:04:04,767
And I know someone who spoke
to the Air Force gatekeeper

1238
01:04:04,768 --> 01:04:09,848
and the Air Force gatekeeper purportedly

1239
01:04:10,761 --> 01:04:12,933
so neither confirmed nor denied.

1240
01:04:19,523 --> 01:04:22,940
US Air Force Master Sergeant, Jason Sands

1241
01:04:22,941 --> 01:04:25,234
has secretly testified to the Senate

1242
01:04:25,235 --> 01:04:27,858
and House Intelligence Committees.

1243
01:04:27,859 --> 01:04:30,304
This is his first time going on camera

1244
01:04:30,305 --> 01:04:34,503
to discuss the unclassified
portion of those meetings.

1245
01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:39,225
Could you and a handful of others prove

1246
01:04:39,226 --> 01:04:42,331
to our government, our elected officials,

1247
01:04:42,332 --> 01:04:46,659
that we are in possession of off world vehicles?

1248
01:04:46,660 --> 01:04:47,573
Yes.

1249
01:04:50,940 --> 01:04:52,346
Master Sergeant Sands is willing

1250
01:04:52,347 --> 01:04:55,280
to publicly testify under oath to Congress

1251
01:04:55,281 --> 01:04:58,484
that he can produce the classified details needed

1252
01:04:58,485 --> 01:05:03,565
to verify the following claims
provided he's given immunity.

1253
01:05:03,810 --> 01:05:05,803
I'm a retired Air Force Master Sergeant.

1254
01:05:05,804 --> 01:05:07,719
Part of my career in the 1990s,

1255
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,009
I worked three years at the

1256
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:12,849
and the programs which included numerous sites

1257
01:05:12,850 --> 01:05:14,229
around the United States

1258
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:16,959
and I was one of the red team
members that would go out

1259
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,239
and do telecommunications assessments

1260
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,119
to check for intelligence leaks

1261
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,029
and counterintel type issues at those locations

1262
01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:27,513
that were involved in the legacy program.

1263
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:33,189
The term legacy program means endeavors

1264
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:37,258
to collect, exploit or
reverse engineer technologies

1265
01:05:37,259 --> 01:05:41,859
of unknown origin or examine biological evidence

1266
01:05:41,860 --> 01:05:46,053
of living or deceased non-human intelligence.

1267
01:05:47,133 --> 01:05:49,029
Do you have the names of the programs?

1268
01:05:49,030 --> 01:05:49,862
I gave it all to them.

1269
01:05:49,863 --> 01:05:50,701
Do you have the names of the people involved

1270
01:05:50,702 --> 01:05:51,789
with the programs?

1271
01:05:51,790 --> 01:05:52,703
Yes.

1272
01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:56,169
This definition appears verbatim

1273
01:05:56,170 --> 01:05:58,915
in the UAP Disclosure Act authorized

1274
01:05:58,916 --> 01:06:02,829
by Senator Schumer, Rounds, Rubio

1275
01:06:02,830 --> 01:06:07,299
and Gillibrand that passed the Senate in 2023.

1276
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:08,747
Why now?

1277
01:06:08,748 --> 01:06:10,630
I feel like it is the time

1278
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,793
where I've seen the interest in the Congress.

1279
01:06:16,170 --> 01:06:19,389
I've seen the interest with the UFO programs.

1280
01:06:19,390 --> 01:06:21,096
Unidentified aerial phenomena.

1281
01:06:21,097 --> 01:06:22,959
And including the talk of

1282
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,429
that standing up and everything.

1283
01:06:24,430 --> 01:06:27,189
Kind of think in my head, is this the time to do this?

1284
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:29,409
Because I'd seen so many times that it failed.

1285
01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:30,668
Tracking what we now call.

1286
01:06:30,669 --> 01:06:32,109
Decade after decade

1287
01:06:32,110 --> 01:06:34,509
of, you know, somebody trying to come forward,

1288
01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:37,440
pointing fingers at Congress,
pointing fingers at (beep),

1289
01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:40,119
pointing fingers at whoever else

1290
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,003
and it just was very adversarial.

1291
01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:48,129
If I felt comfortable enough without getting shot

1292
01:06:48,130 --> 01:06:49,449
to go walk on

1293
01:06:49,450 --> 01:06:51,655
and show them exactly what I
told them in the interview,

1294
01:06:51,656 --> 01:06:53,017
I would go out there and I would drive them right up

1295
01:06:53,018 --> 01:06:54,879
to the gate

1296
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,030
as long as I knew they had the authority to walk

1297
01:06:56,031 --> 01:06:59,349
into that facility with me.

1298
01:06:59,350 --> 01:07:00,999
This is the hangar I told you about.

1299
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,769
There's the radar over there.

1300
01:07:02,770 --> 01:07:04,479
There's the weather station that was taken over.

1301
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,279
Here's where me and the commander went

1302
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,403
around the whole base.

1303
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:12,969
I could show them all of those kinds of things

1304
01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:15,473
and that's where we're kind of headed with all this.

1305
01:07:18,148 --> 01:07:19,610
I get the fact that the technology,

1306
01:07:19,611 --> 01:07:21,219
if you could separate that out

1307
01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:22,779
and call that national security,

1308
01:07:22,780 --> 01:07:24,374
that the technologies they're working on

1309
01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:27,439
that has some reason to stay classified,

1310
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,669
but the revelation that
there's other life out there

1311
01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:33,083
that should be something for everybody.

1312
01:07:33,084 --> 01:07:34,623
That's the way I feel.

1313
01:07:43,047 --> 01:07:45,129
Two congressional committee staffers

1314
01:07:45,130 --> 01:07:47,314
have confirmed the credentials of this witness

1315
01:07:47,315 --> 01:07:49,056
to the filmmakers.

1316
01:07:49,057 --> 01:07:51,329
He is who he says he is.

1317
01:07:51,330 --> 01:07:53,728
He was stationed where he said he was

1318
01:07:53,729 --> 01:07:58,623
and he's confirmed actual
names of classified programs.

1319
01:08:00,075 --> 01:08:02,739
There's so much concern

1320
01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:05,530
that there's something locked up classified

1321
01:08:07,470 --> 01:08:11,913
and that the American government is not being open.

1322
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:15,819
Well, we are the American government and we are open

1323
01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:18,459
and we're gonna be open about this.

1324
01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:22,109
Do you believe what Mr. David
Grusch said or is he lying?

1325
01:08:22,110 --> 01:08:27,190
Whatever he said, where's
the evidence is my response.

1326
01:08:28,763 --> 01:08:31,779
I can give you a specific cooperative

1327
01:08:31,780 --> 01:08:33,279
and hostile witness list.

1328
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,914
And we could get that in the SCIF if we were allowed

1329
01:08:34,915 --> 01:08:37,629
to get in a SCIF with you and that'd be probably.

1330
01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:38,739
I can't discuss that publicly

1331
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:39,779
but I did provide that information

1332
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:43,299
both to the intel committees
and the Inspector General.

1333
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:45,969
He also said he had another friend

1334
01:08:45,970 --> 01:08:51,050
that said that he had parts of an alien.

1335
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:54,969
Do we have the bodies of the pilots

1336
01:08:54,970 --> 01:08:57,099
who piloted this craft?

1337
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:58,509
As I've stated publicly already

1338
01:08:58,510 --> 01:09:01,059
in my News Nation interview, biologics came

1339
01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:02,985
with some of these recoveries, yeah.

1340
01:09:02,986 --> 01:09:04,748
Do you believe our government has made contact

1341
01:09:04,749 --> 01:09:08,618
with intelligent extraterrestrials?

1342
01:09:08,619 --> 01:09:11,839
It's something I can't discuss in a public setting.

1343
01:09:57,570 --> 01:09:59,319
The following encounter took place

1344
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:04,400
at Nellis Test Range in Nevada in the winter of 1994.

1345
01:10:04,697 --> 01:10:07,957
As far as this unknown object, aircraft type.

1346
01:10:09,853 --> 01:10:11,589
18.6 degrees elevation.

1347
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:14,259
US Air Force Master Sergeant Jason Sands

1348
01:10:14,260 --> 01:10:16,869
was stationed at the nearby Nellis Air Base

1349
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:19,899
with the 67th Intelligence Group at the time.

1350
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:23,109
This previous week, the UFO came on the range,

1351
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:25,239
flew right by what we called the schoolhouse

1352
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,457
'cause that's where we did the training

1353
01:10:26,458 --> 01:10:31,538
and it went down into the valley and continued on.

1354
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,490
So they have actual video of it

1355
01:10:33,491 --> 01:10:35,589
and that's what you see out there in the public,

1356
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:36,999
this Nellis range UFO.

1357
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,799
P1 control doesn't know what type

1358
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,599
of aircraft it is either and no ACM, no tactics.

1359
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,749
The system that they use also uses a a type of radar

1360
01:10:46,750 --> 01:10:50,415
to lock on to aircraft as they come into view.

1361
01:10:50,416 --> 01:10:54,159
So this is what recorded the UFO also.

1362
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,349
A quick one, right up high now.

1363
01:10:56,350 --> 01:10:58,023
It's going like straight up.

1364
01:11:01,647 --> 01:11:03,429
The people that leaked the video out

1365
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:06,693
to the public also leaked the
names of those individuals.

1366
01:11:09,307 --> 01:11:11,180
I don't know.

1367
01:11:14,593 --> 01:11:15,849
And they were talking, a lot of 'em were excited.

1368
01:11:15,850 --> 01:11:17,589
Some didn't know what it was they were saying.

1369
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:19,959
Some of 'em were saying it was a UFO for sure.

1370
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,429
Other people were like, no, it had to be some kind

1371
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:23,409
of messed up looking helicopter.

1372
01:11:23,410 --> 01:11:24,622
Other people were like, I just don't know.

1373
01:11:24,623 --> 01:11:25,724
I just don't know.

1374
01:11:25,725 --> 01:11:27,903
But everybody was excited about it.

1375
01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:33,519
Three days later, Sergeant Sands was part

1376
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,209
of a convoy overseeing a training exercise.

1377
01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:39,849
He was in the lead vehicle
heading toward the center

1378
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:42,543
of Nellis Range, near Quartz Mountain.

1379
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:50,968
One of those days when the wind just cuts right

1380
01:11:50,969 --> 01:11:52,649
through whatever you're wearing.

1381
01:11:54,278 --> 01:11:58,179
It's me, there's another person in the passenger seat

1382
01:11:58,180 --> 01:12:00,003
and a young lady off to my right.

1383
01:12:02,923 --> 01:12:06,159
About a mile down the road, there's this guy on my left

1384
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,429
and he looks like he's wearing a uniform like ours.

1385
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:13,053
But I also noticed the skin
tone is very white to blue.

1386
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,179
And I'm thinking, oh crap, this
guy is dying of hypothermia

1387
01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:20,259
and he's running funny too.

1388
01:12:20,260 --> 01:12:21,924
It's like every step he takes,

1389
01:12:21,925 --> 01:12:24,512
he looks like he's gonna fall over.

1390
01:12:24,513 --> 01:12:26,313
Guy needs help. We need to stop.

1391
01:12:32,670 --> 01:12:35,739
As we get closer, I definitely get the idea

1392
01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:37,149
that he must be suffering from hypothermia

1393
01:12:37,150 --> 01:12:40,563
because he does have this bluish tint to his skin.

1394
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,289
I'm thinking, this guy needs medical help.

1395
01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:45,150
I need to get my butt out of the car

1396
01:12:45,151 --> 01:12:49,123
and, you know, before he falls down and starts to die.

1397
01:12:49,124 --> 01:12:51,362
And I'm thinking...
-  In the distance,

1398
01:12:51,363 --> 01:12:54,457
Sergeant Sands noticed a strange landed craft

1399
01:12:54,458 --> 01:12:56,433
resembling a helicopter,

1400
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,239
but he was more focused on the
individual in need of help.

1401
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,759
And then as we slow down and we approached the part

1402
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,889
where he's the only just a few feet away,

1403
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:07,876
the guy in the passenger seat screams,

1404
01:13:07,877 --> 01:13:10,437
"He's got no f-ing ears."

1405
01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:19,779
At that point, there's my open door,

1406
01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:21,549
I'm standing on one side of it,

1407
01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:24,044
and the individual that was running towards us was

1408
01:13:24,045 --> 01:13:25,899
on the other side.

1409
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:30,213
And I shut the door and I look up and he's got no ears.

1410
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:36,566
And I'm thinking, is he a mutant?

1411
01:13:36,567 --> 01:13:39,009
I look at them, they're
symmetric. They're just like ours.

1412
01:13:39,010 --> 01:13:40,839
They got lobes, everything.

1413
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,669
It's just, they're conformed to his head.

1414
01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:44,529
They're not sticking out like we do.

1415
01:13:44,530 --> 01:13:46,876
And then I notice his eyes, they're like twice as big

1416
01:13:46,877 --> 01:13:51,940
and I'm thinking he's either not from around here,

1417
01:13:51,941 --> 01:13:53,793
from another planet, kind of not around here,

1418
01:13:53,794 --> 01:13:56,853
or this is some sort of a mutant.

1419
01:13:58,710 --> 01:13:59,769
And he turns towards me.

1420
01:13:59,770 --> 01:14:02,424
And I get that kind of a snake bite kind of a fear

1421
01:14:02,425 --> 01:14:06,789
in my gut like, oh my gosh, you know, I'm very scared.

1422
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:08,384
And then he starts talking to me

1423
01:14:08,385 --> 01:14:13,465
and he's speaking a language I don't know,

1424
01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:16,239
but I'm understanding every word he says

1425
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,213
and I don't know how that happened.

1426
01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:23,589
So there's this telepathic sort

1427
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:24,606
of understanding I get from him,

1428
01:14:24,607 --> 01:14:26,637
but he's speaking a different language.

1429
01:14:27,663 --> 01:14:30,639
How far away were you from him?

1430
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,370
No, more than about three feet.

1431
01:14:36,090 --> 01:14:38,769
The eyes caught me at first for how dark they were,

1432
01:14:38,770 --> 01:14:41,199
but it was more like, you know, looking at somebody

1433
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,253
that had just large eyes that were dark colored.

1434
01:14:47,338 --> 01:14:48,369
Looking right in the eyes

1435
01:14:48,370 --> 01:14:50,075
and then I'm starting to kind of once him over

1436
01:14:50,076 --> 01:14:52,863
and I can see his battle dress uniform.

1437
01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:54,999
Usually if you go up range,

1438
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,279
you wear your really crappy stuff

1439
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,019
and this guy had a pristine uniform on.

1440
01:14:59,020 --> 01:15:00,337
I remember looking at his boots thinking,

1441
01:15:00,338 --> 01:15:02,973
how on earth are they that shiny?

1442
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,889
And after running as far as he did just there,

1443
01:15:05,890 --> 01:15:07,089
he should have had dust on them.

1444
01:15:07,090 --> 01:15:09,833
And I'm thinking, how did
they stay pristine like that?

1445
01:15:11,754 --> 01:15:13,329
So it was a little bit off to me

1446
01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:16,179
but that didn't stop me for too long

1447
01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:17,589
because he was asking me stuff

1448
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:19,830
and he was asking for some material,

1449
01:15:19,831 --> 01:15:23,229
a material he called either
tintillium, trintillium

1450
01:15:23,230 --> 01:15:27,271
or something like that and I
didn't know what the name was.

1451
01:15:27,272 --> 01:15:30,023
He mentioned it was to repair his craft.

1452
01:15:30,024 --> 01:15:32,439
And the only material that I could come up with,

1453
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:33,600
I was like, "Is that titanium?"

1454
01:15:33,601 --> 01:15:35,247
He's like, "No."

1455
01:15:36,330 --> 01:15:38,259
And then he stepped off the roadway

1456
01:15:38,260 --> 01:15:39,690
and went back to his craft.

1457
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,119
As the individual
walked back toward the craft,

1458
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,769
Sergeant Sands realized

1459
01:15:47,770 --> 01:15:50,949
his military colleagues seemed entranced.

1460
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:54,909
They all watched as the pilot
climbed back into the cockpit

1461
01:15:54,910 --> 01:15:56,732
and the canopy closed.

1462
01:15:56,733 --> 01:15:59,913
The vehicle rose silently.

1463
01:16:09,090 --> 01:16:11,889
He got into the cockpit and then he kinda went up

1464
01:16:11,890 --> 01:16:16,959
in chunks like stair steps above the roadway

1465
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,740
and then he took off to the south.

1466
01:16:19,674 --> 01:16:21,909
I got back in the car, everybody seemed to come back

1467
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:23,139
to normal, snapped to,

1468
01:16:23,140 --> 01:16:25,320
and we just went up and did our daily job.

1469
01:16:29,790 --> 01:16:32,709
Would you respond to anyone watching this

1470
01:16:32,710 --> 01:16:34,779
that would say this guy's clearly?

1471
01:16:34,780 --> 01:16:35,797
- A nut job?
- Yeah.

1472
01:16:35,798 --> 01:16:37,419
I would say number one,

1473
01:16:37,420 --> 01:16:39,953
the Congress would never have talked to me if I was.

1474
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,259
I was verified probably a year

1475
01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:48,063
before I even talked to
Congress by the UAP taskforce.

1476
01:16:50,535 --> 01:16:53,349
There are databases that
people don't have access to

1477
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:54,182
that only Congress and people

1478
01:16:54,183 --> 01:16:56,902
that are in special access programs have.

1479
01:16:56,903 --> 01:16:59,089
That's where they discovered my name.

1480
01:16:59,090 --> 01:17:01,269
That's where they saw where I was stationed

1481
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:03,265
also in my military records,

1482
01:17:03,266 --> 01:17:06,336
that established, at least who
I said and where I had been

1483
01:17:06,337 --> 01:17:08,222
and the programs I was accessed to,

1484
01:17:08,223 --> 01:17:10,533
they can verify all of that.

1485
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,429
The producers contacted DOD officials

1486
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:17,751
who were aware of the 1994 encounter,

1487
01:17:17,752 --> 01:17:21,813
but would not verify it on or off the record.

1488
01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:27,783
As extraordinary as this story seems,

1489
01:17:27,784 --> 01:17:30,279
the subject is not new.

1490
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:31,903
The Air Force and other agencies,

1491
01:17:31,904 --> 01:17:34,446
as well as governments around the world

1492
01:17:34,447 --> 01:17:38,168
have been documenting close
encounters of the third kind,

1493
01:17:38,169 --> 01:17:41,710
reports of interactions
with non-human intelligence

1494
01:17:41,711 --> 01:17:45,063
since at least the 1940s.

1495
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,467
I asked some of our scientists,

1496
01:18:01,468 --> 01:18:03,816
what is the mathematical probability

1497
01:18:03,817 --> 01:18:07,713
that there is life out there in the universe.

1498
01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:11,733
At least a trillion.

1499
01:18:14,367 --> 01:18:16,779
And when you think of the universe

1500
01:18:16,780 --> 01:18:19,507
and how vast that it is,

1501
01:18:19,508 --> 01:18:23,490
there are billions and billions of galaxies

1502
01:18:23,491 --> 01:18:27,445
and each of those galaxies, including our own,

1503
01:18:27,446 --> 01:18:31,203
have billions and billions of stars.

1504
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:37,629
There are 10,000 times more stars

1505
01:18:37,630 --> 01:18:40,297
in the universe than there are grains of sand

1506
01:18:40,298 --> 01:18:42,843
on the surface of the earth.

1507
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:50,049
Has the US government become aware

1508
01:18:50,050 --> 01:18:52,239
of actual evidence of extraterrestrial

1509
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,869
otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence?

1510
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:57,434
And if so, when do you think this first occurred?

1511
01:18:57,435 --> 01:19:01,539
Certainly, like I've discussed publicly,

1512
01:19:01,540 --> 01:19:02,973
previously 1930s.

1513
01:19:04,177 --> 01:19:07,029
I'm Congressman Tim Burchett
from Knoxville, Tennessee.

1514
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:09,405
I was one of 'em that was responsible for putting

1515
01:19:09,406 --> 01:19:11,946
on the big hearings that we had on UFOs

1516
01:19:11,947 --> 01:19:16,012
with Grusch, Fravor and Graves.

1517
01:19:16,013 --> 01:19:17,072
The testimony you are about to give us.

1518
01:19:17,073 --> 01:19:18,878
Claims under oath were made

1519
01:19:18,879 --> 01:19:23,876
that if true are paradigm
shifting for all civilization.

1520
01:19:23,877 --> 01:19:26,859
What is being done to verify the assertion

1521
01:19:26,860 --> 01:19:28,340
that the US government has spaceships

1522
01:19:28,341 --> 01:19:31,869
of non-human intelligence in their possession?

1523
01:19:31,870 --> 01:19:35,709
We need to have a select committee on that because...

1524
01:19:35,710 --> 01:19:36,579
Over a year

1525
01:19:36,580 --> 01:19:38,469
after the congressional hearings

1526
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:41,319
featuring Intelligence Officer Grusch,

1527
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,479
Congress is still unable to get him

1528
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:47,169
into a sensitive compartmented
information facility

1529
01:19:47,170 --> 01:19:48,787
referred to as a SCIF

1530
01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:53,049
where he can provide the classified details

1531
01:19:53,050 --> 01:19:54,452
of what he knows.

1532
01:19:54,453 --> 01:19:55,835
Where would you look?

1533
01:19:55,836 --> 01:20:00,309
Titles, programs, departments...

1534
01:20:00,310 --> 01:20:02,139
Every obstacle's being put up.

1535
01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:04,029
You know, they're trying to
block Grusch from getting

1536
01:20:04,030 --> 01:20:05,349
into the SCIF saying this,

1537
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:07,299
he doesn't have the security credentials.

1538
01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:10,688
I cannot share classified
information in public settings.

1539
01:20:10,689 --> 01:20:13,019
Not only has Grusch been obstructed

1540
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:16,869
from fully revealing the
classified details necessary

1541
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:19,303
for Congress to verify his claims,

1542
01:20:19,304 --> 01:20:22,359
but his private medical records were leaked

1543
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,625
to the media resulting in stories,

1544
01:20:24,626 --> 01:20:28,569
questioning his credibility and mental health.

1545
01:20:28,570 --> 01:20:30,129
Grusch is saying the government

1546
01:20:30,130 --> 01:20:33,455
leaked his personal medical
information to smear him,

1547
01:20:33,456 --> 01:20:36,729
and discredit his claims that he made against them.

1548
01:20:36,730 --> 01:20:41,619
David is not making
conclusions, he's providing data.

1549
01:20:41,620 --> 01:20:44,829
And this is where I think the
media has gotten it wrong, is

1550
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:47,848
that he's just saying, look, I was tasked

1551
01:20:47,849 --> 01:20:50,409
to go collect this data

1552
01:20:50,410 --> 01:20:53,559
and I just provided the data
to the relevant authorities.

1553
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,179
Now, the only reason, frankly,

1554
01:20:55,180 --> 01:20:57,249
that David is sitting at that table was

1555
01:20:57,250 --> 01:20:59,169
because the relevant authorities didn't like

1556
01:20:59,170 --> 01:21:01,989
what he was saying and went after him.

1557
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:03,639
What I personally witnessed myself

1558
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,153
and my wife, was very disturbing.

1559
01:21:07,470 --> 01:21:09,069
He filed an official report

1560
01:21:09,070 --> 01:21:12,129
of witness intimidation to the Inspector General

1561
01:21:12,130 --> 01:21:13,367
of the intelligence community,

1562
01:21:13,368 --> 01:21:16,532
which is an ongoing investigation.

1563
01:21:16,533 --> 01:21:19,322
It was very brutal, some of the tactics they used

1564
01:21:19,323 --> 01:21:23,221
to hurt me both professionally and personally,

1565
01:21:23,222 --> 01:21:24,933
to be quite frank, yeah.

1566
01:21:25,797 --> 01:21:28,179
Meanwhile, back in the Senate,

1567
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:32,709
the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023 passed.

1568
01:21:32,710 --> 01:21:35,953
An unprecedented piece of
legislation that could prove

1569
01:21:35,954 --> 01:21:39,273
or disprove Grusch's claims.

1570
01:21:40,410 --> 01:21:44,067
For the government to obtain
any recovered UAP material

1571
01:21:44,068 --> 01:21:48,609
or biological remains that may have been provided

1572
01:21:48,610 --> 01:21:50,829
to private entities in the past

1573
01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:55,575
and thereby hidden from Congress
and the American people.

1574
01:21:55,576 --> 01:21:58,861
We are lacking oversight opportunities

1575
01:21:58,862 --> 01:22:02,889
and we are not fulfilling our responsibilities.

1576
01:22:02,890 --> 01:22:05,769
The bill's most
significant provision provided

1577
01:22:05,770 --> 01:22:07,508
for a presidential level panel

1578
01:22:07,509 --> 01:22:11,199
to look into all other federal agencies.

1579
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,019
Presidentially appointed and Senate confirmed

1580
01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:16,509
to control the process of reviewing the records

1581
01:22:16,510 --> 01:22:18,279
and recommending to the president

1582
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:23,199
what records should be released
immediately or postponed.

1583
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,085
The bill passed in the Senate,

1584
01:22:25,086 --> 01:22:28,059
but was shot down in the House.

1585
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:30,969
Key portions of an unprecedented measure

1586
01:22:30,970 --> 01:22:35,198
to disclose classified government
records relating to UAPs.

1587
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:36,904
Those measures were stripped

1588
01:22:36,905 --> 01:22:39,339
from the annual defense spending bill.

1589
01:22:39,340 --> 01:22:41,427
It's beyond disappointing
that the House has refused

1590
01:22:41,428 --> 01:22:44,058
to work with us on all the important elements

1591
01:22:44,059 --> 01:22:47,707
of the UAP Disclosure Act
during the NDAA Conference.

1592
01:22:47,708 --> 01:22:49,179
But nevertheless.

1593
01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:52,299
Key to gutting the bill were Mike Rogers

1594
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:55,979
of Alabama, the Chair of the
House Armed Services Committee,

1595
01:22:55,980 --> 01:23:00,129
and Mike Turner, the chair
of the House Intel Committee,

1596
01:23:00,130 --> 01:23:02,479
who represents Dayton, Ohio, home

1597
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:05,720
of Wright Patterson Air Force Base, long rumored

1598
01:23:05,721 --> 01:23:10,612
to be one location where UAP material is kept.

1599
01:23:10,613 --> 01:23:12,249
If there's nothing to see here

1600
01:23:12,250 --> 01:23:15,369
why are Mike Rogers and Mike Turner in the House

1601
01:23:15,370 --> 01:23:17,529
blocking this bill that is,

1602
01:23:17,530 --> 01:23:21,729
in my opinion, the most important legislation

1603
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:24,249
for transparency in American history?

1604
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:26,436
The story is that they've held it from Congress,

1605
01:23:26,437 --> 01:23:27,909
from the administration.

1606
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:30,639
I mean, it's pretty astonishing if true.

1607
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,069
Every decade there's been individuals who've said

1608
01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:35,385
that the United States has such pieces

1609
01:23:35,386 --> 01:23:38,348
of, you know, unidentified flying objects

1610
01:23:38,349 --> 01:23:41,079
that are from outer space.

1611
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,759
There's no evidence of this

1612
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,939
and certainly, you know, it
would be quite a conspiracy

1613
01:23:45,940 --> 01:23:47,559
for this to be able to be maintained,

1614
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,029
especially at this level,

1615
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:52,149
Pull up his PAC donors, who are his biggest donors?

1616
01:23:52,150 --> 01:23:54,117
Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing.

1617
01:23:54,118 --> 01:23:56,409
If there's nothing to see here,

1618
01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:59,733
why don't we just pass this and see what happens?

1619
01:24:03,433 --> 01:24:05,019
Most people won't touch it.

1620
01:24:05,020 --> 01:24:08,319
I mean, one, they're afraid to be embarrassed,

1621
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,273
or two, they're afraid of what they find.

1622
01:24:15,406 --> 01:24:18,066
Those with firsthand knowledge,

1623
01:24:18,067 --> 01:24:20,949
who have, you know, an interest

1624
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:25,503
in being forthcoming are deterred from doing so

1625
01:24:25,504 --> 01:24:28,569
because they're afraid of the consequences.

1626
01:24:28,570 --> 01:24:31,569
Despite the whistleblower protections

1627
01:24:31,570 --> 01:24:35,470
that exist in statutes and in policies

1628
01:24:35,471 --> 01:24:40,551
that those are just not really
nearly effective enough.

1629
01:24:42,273 --> 01:24:47,273
They feel that their livelihoods will be at risk.

1630
01:24:49,204 --> 01:24:51,347
In some cases, even worse.

1631
01:24:51,348 --> 01:24:54,669
There's some people who express fear

1632
01:24:54,670 --> 01:24:56,403
for their personal safety.

1633
01:25:02,140 --> 01:25:05,109
Thank you so much to all of our speakers.

1634
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:07,901
We will start taking questions.

1635
01:25:07,902 --> 01:25:11,254
For those in the room, we have a microphone over here

1636
01:25:11,255 --> 01:25:12,773
that we would ask you to speak into.

1637
01:25:12,774 --> 01:25:14,169
Thank you very much.

1638
01:25:14,170 --> 01:25:16,986
This is directed to Mr. Nelson.
Thank you for being here.

1639
01:25:16,987 --> 01:25:18,879
Two quick questions.

1640
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,730
One is, how can we make the determination

1641
01:25:21,731 --> 01:25:25,139
of what something isn't when we don't know what it is?

1642
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:29,091
And B, after a careful review of the data,

1643
01:25:29,092 --> 01:25:31,193
if it's determined that some,

1644
01:25:31,194 --> 01:25:36,274
underline the word some 10
times, UFOs or UAP originate

1645
01:25:36,464 --> 01:25:38,110
from a non-human intelligence,

1646
01:25:38,111 --> 01:25:40,929
what's the plan to disclose that to the public?

1647
01:25:40,930 --> 01:25:43,209
And can you identify yourself please?

1648
01:25:43,210 --> 01:25:44,943
James Fox. Thank you.

1649
01:25:45,965 --> 01:25:48,540
Let me repeat what I said.

1650
01:25:50,173 --> 01:25:53,981
I think it's important that
you hear this word for word.

1651
01:25:53,982 --> 01:25:58,906
The NASA independent study
team did not find any evidence

1652
01:25:58,907 --> 01:26:02,949
that UAP have an extraterrestrial origin.

1653
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:08,030
But we don't know what these UAP are,

1654
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:09,910
but we're gonna try to find out.

1655
01:26:10,809 --> 01:26:12,039
Thank you very much.

1656
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,000
And is there a plan in place if it is determined

1657
01:26:14,001 --> 01:26:16,779
that some of them originate
from a non-human intelligence

1658
01:26:16,780 --> 01:26:18,219
to tell the public?

1659
01:26:18,220 --> 01:26:19,239
Is there a plan or?

1660
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,109
If we are what I said we intend to be,

1661
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:27,520
which is transparent, you bet your boots,

1662
01:26:27,521 --> 01:26:29,168
we will say that.

1663
01:26:29,169 --> 01:26:32,133
Whatever we find, we're gonna tell you.

1664
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:37,839
I just wonder if the people

1665
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,485
in power have even have any kind of plan for that.

1666
01:26:41,486 --> 01:26:45,023
I kind of doubt they're very prepared for that.

1667
01:26:45,024 --> 01:26:46,758
I don't know.

1668
01:26:46,759 --> 01:26:49,359
What does the press release say

1669
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,109
when the government or
governments decide to come forward

1670
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:56,049
and say, yes, we have evidence that we're not alone.

1671
01:26:56,050 --> 01:27:01,130
That truth potentially
upends the established order

1672
01:27:01,620 --> 01:27:03,189
across the world.

1673
01:27:03,190 --> 01:27:05,450
Political, religious, economic.

1674
01:27:05,451 --> 01:27:09,057
And I think there is a disincentive.

1675
01:27:09,058 --> 01:27:12,065
If you don't really know what
the reaction is gonna be,

1676
01:27:12,066 --> 01:27:14,169
how is it gonna affect markets?

1677
01:27:14,170 --> 01:27:17,049
How is it gonna affect sovereign borders?

1678
01:27:17,050 --> 01:27:21,519
How is it going to affect
economies around the world?

1679
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,950
How is it gonna affect the way people view God?

1680
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,015
Are people ready for some kind of revelation

1681
01:27:29,016 --> 01:27:33,958
that deals with extraterrestrial life,

1682
01:27:33,959 --> 01:27:38,616
life that is interdimensional,
life that is otherworldly?

1683
01:27:38,617 --> 01:27:43,697
And so that kind of revelation
unearths people's beliefs,

1684
01:27:45,726 --> 01:27:48,729
their religious beliefs, their spiritual beliefs,

1685
01:27:48,730 --> 01:27:50,859
what they've been taught all of their lives.

1686
01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:55,940
And so if such a revelation were to present itself,

1687
01:27:56,249 --> 01:27:57,674
how does it get presented

1688
01:27:57,675 --> 01:28:02,663
and can it be done in a way
that people are accepting of it?

1689
01:28:02,664 --> 01:28:06,250
People are threatened by this thing.

1690
01:28:06,251 --> 01:28:07,599
It doesn't threaten me.

1691
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:12,680
You know, I get the old fifties talk about

1692
01:28:12,810 --> 01:28:15,219
how this would upset the balance of our religions.

1693
01:28:15,220 --> 01:28:18,125
It doesn't upset me. I'm
a born again Christian.

1694
01:28:18,126 --> 01:28:20,013
I think, you know,

1695
01:28:22,583 --> 01:28:25,233
Genesis says God created the heavens and the earth.

1696
01:28:26,786 --> 01:28:31,786
And we made a list of well over a couple dozen issues

1697
01:28:31,890 --> 01:28:34,838
that would have to be addressed.

1698
01:28:34,839 --> 01:28:37,749
And some of them really got
into the nitty gritty, like,

1699
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:39,879
well, if corporation A finds out

1700
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,373
that corporation B had access

1701
01:28:41,374 --> 01:28:44,769
to the advanced materials from crash retrievals

1702
01:28:44,770 --> 01:28:45,946
and they didn't,

1703
01:28:45,947 --> 01:28:47,881
well, then they're gonna sue that corporation

1704
01:28:47,882 --> 01:28:49,719
and they're also gonna sue the government

1705
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,069
because they didn't get access

1706
01:28:51,070 --> 01:28:53,049
and one of their competitors did.

1707
01:28:53,050 --> 01:28:56,259
So, you know, when we added up all the numbers,

1708
01:28:56,260 --> 01:29:00,909
it turned out that despite our
personal feelings about it,

1709
01:29:00,910 --> 01:29:04,749
as we entered this process,
we came to the conclusion

1710
01:29:04,750 --> 01:29:09,830
that disclosure was kind of unsustainable almost.

1711
01:29:14,130 --> 01:29:16,149
It's a bigger, more complex issue

1712
01:29:16,150 --> 01:29:18,189
than most people probably appreciate

1713
01:29:18,190 --> 01:29:19,265
when they just say, well,

1714
01:29:19,266 --> 01:29:21,339
why don't they just tell us what's going on?

1715
01:29:21,340 --> 01:29:22,509
Be more transparent.

1716
01:29:22,510 --> 01:29:24,326
Well, there's a lot of things have

1717
01:29:24,327 --> 01:29:26,493
to happen before you get to that point.

1718
01:29:36,540 --> 01:29:40,323
Today, we stand
at a pivotal moment in history.

1719
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:42,944
The question before us is not just

1720
01:29:42,945 --> 01:29:46,989
about unidentified anomalous phenomena,

1721
01:29:46,990 --> 01:29:48,030
but about the very principles

1722
01:29:48,031 --> 01:29:50,722
of transparency, accountability,

1723
01:29:50,723 --> 01:29:55,803
and trust between the government
and the people it serves.

1724
01:29:56,190 --> 01:29:58,880
Some of these crash retrieval programs may be...

1725
01:29:59,841 --> 01:30:01,652
For whistleblowers and for the protection

1726
01:30:01,653 --> 01:30:02,649
of whistleblowers.

1727
01:30:02,650 --> 01:30:05,919
There remains an
ongoing official public effort

1728
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,909
to investigate what is really known about UAP.

1729
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:13,569
And to say, until I've seen evidence,

1730
01:30:13,570 --> 01:30:15,549
I'm just not gonna accept this.

1731
01:30:15,550 --> 01:30:17,829
I can't blame 'em.

1732
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:20,894
I mean, that in fact is a scientific position.

1733
01:30:20,895 --> 01:30:22,569
If they got the clearances

1734
01:30:22,570 --> 01:30:24,939
and were exposed to some of
the evidence that you've seen,

1735
01:30:24,940 --> 01:30:27,007
would it be a different story?

1736
01:30:27,008 --> 01:30:29,829
It'd be a different story
about how they felt about it.

1737
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:30,743
Yes, sure.

1738
01:30:31,801 --> 01:30:33,341
But then they couldn't tell their friends

1739
01:30:33,342 --> 01:30:37,269
or their wives or whatever,

1740
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:39,243
so they would be in the position of people

1741
01:30:39,244 --> 01:30:41,169
that are on the other side.

1742
01:30:41,170 --> 01:30:42,946
And so if they tried to tell somebody,

1743
01:30:42,947 --> 01:30:45,869
they would get the same response to them as well,

1744
01:30:45,870 --> 01:30:48,851
prove it to me, show me some proof,

1745
01:30:48,852 --> 01:30:51,189
and they wouldn't be able to do it.

1746
01:30:51,190 --> 01:30:54,920
So that's what happens.

1747
01:30:54,921 --> 01:30:57,401
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

1748
01:30:58,394 --> 01:31:01,311
A growing number of high level insiders,

1749
01:31:01,312 --> 01:31:05,650
elected officials, physicists,
intelligence officers

1750
01:31:05,651 --> 01:31:09,189
and military whistleblowers are telling us

1751
01:31:09,190 --> 01:31:12,614
that the evidence needed to
prove their claims is being held

1752
01:31:12,615 --> 01:31:16,839
by private corporate entities
contracted by the government

1753
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,829
who for the time being remain immune

1754
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:22,023
from congressional oversight.

1755
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:24,759
So there's a degree of separation

1756
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,009
between them and the government.

1757
01:31:27,010 --> 01:31:28,568
It's just like, you know, you contract somebody

1758
01:31:28,569 --> 01:31:31,029
to paint the street out here

1759
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:32,619
and they're not a government entity,

1760
01:31:32,620 --> 01:31:34,885
I can't bring them in in front of a committee.

1761
01:31:34,886 --> 01:31:38,352
I can bring the government
entity that contracts with them,

1762
01:31:38,353 --> 01:31:42,039
but there's a great deal of separation there.

1763
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,334
So that is by design, I feel like,

1764
01:31:44,335 --> 01:31:46,563
and that keeps it away from us.

1765
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,289
Do you believe that a higher form

1766
01:31:56,290 --> 01:32:00,309
of non-human intelligence has visited this planet?

1767
01:32:00,310 --> 01:32:01,864
Non-human intelligence exists.

1768
01:32:01,865 --> 01:32:05,028
Non-human intelligence has
been interacting with humanity.

1769
01:32:05,029 --> 01:32:09,381
This interaction is not new and it's been ongoing.

1770
01:32:09,382 --> 01:32:12,399
And there are unelected people in the government

1771
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:13,839
that are aware of that.

1772
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,614
How confident are you that that is true?

1773
01:32:16,615 --> 01:32:18,483
There's zero doubt.

1774
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:22,615
They have hardware and there's a craft

1775
01:32:22,616 --> 01:32:25,659
and there's occupants running these craft,

1776
01:32:25,660 --> 01:32:27,249
whatever they may be.

1777
01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:29,949
And it's a very super sensitive topic

1778
01:32:29,950 --> 01:32:34,539
because it's something that
probably a minute fraction,

1779
01:32:34,540 --> 01:32:36,958
like less than 1,000

1780
01:32:36,959 --> 01:32:39,939
to 100,000 of the United States military

1781
01:32:39,940 --> 01:32:43,299
and the government are the only ones that know.

1782
01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:47,344
If programs like that existed or still exist,

1783
01:32:47,345 --> 01:32:52,119
where even the president's top
advisors aren't aware of it,

1784
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,219
let alone the people's representatives

1785
01:32:54,220 --> 01:32:56,349
that's a government within a government.

1786
01:32:56,350 --> 01:32:57,965
How does a democracy survive

1787
01:32:57,966 --> 01:33:02,112
if you could have something like that,

1788
01:33:02,113 --> 01:33:04,689
that is shielded from the people

1789
01:33:04,690 --> 01:33:08,733
that are by law authorized to know about that stuff?

1790
01:33:11,269 --> 01:33:13,359
Witnesses with nothing to gain

1791
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,069
and everything to lose,

1792
01:33:15,070 --> 01:33:17,500
who claim firsthand knowledge are pleading

1793
01:33:17,501 --> 01:33:20,769
with elected officials for immunity

1794
01:33:20,770 --> 01:33:24,489
so they can testify under oath about what they know.

1795
01:33:24,490 --> 01:33:25,929
That's what happens.

1796
01:33:25,930 --> 01:33:28,149
The implications not just

1797
01:33:28,150 --> 01:33:29,529
for the United States,

1798
01:33:29,530 --> 01:33:32,312
but for all of humanity are so profound

1799
01:33:32,313 --> 01:33:34,509
that we owe it to ourselves

1800
01:33:34,510 --> 01:33:38,769
to continue to support our
committed elected representatives

1801
01:33:38,770 --> 01:33:42,609
during this unprecedented push for transparency.

1802
01:33:42,610 --> 01:33:43,582
Where would you look?

1803
01:33:43,583 --> 01:33:45,309
If the existence

1804
01:33:45,310 --> 01:33:47,643
of these secret programs is true,

1805
01:33:48,512 --> 01:33:52,353
it would prove to be the
greatest revelation in history.

1806
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:01,539
If we were provided the clearances right here

1807
01:34:01,540 --> 01:34:05,259
and right now, could you walk me into a lab

1808
01:34:05,260 --> 01:34:06,440
and show me something?

1809
01:34:08,105 --> 01:34:09,783
I'm not saying anything.

1810
01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:32,259
Have you ever met any insider

1811
01:34:32,260 --> 01:34:34,788
that made the indication to you that we're not alone?

1812
01:34:34,789 --> 01:34:38,643
Yeah. Yes.

1813
01:34:39,966 --> 01:34:41,499
Did you believe them?

1814
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:42,430
I believe them.

1815
01:35:00,108 --> 01:35:01,509
It is very funny to me

1816
01:35:01,510 --> 01:35:06,429
that every time a Russian
Bear comes across by Alaska

1817
01:35:06,430 --> 01:35:08,649
or the West Coast or whatever, we freak out.

1818
01:35:08,650 --> 01:35:11,409
We got fighter planes, everything up there.

1819
01:35:11,410 --> 01:35:12,543
We got an unknown that pops up

1820
01:35:12,544 --> 01:35:15,224
and everybody's just like, well, nothing is in here.

1821
01:35:16,466 --> 01:35:21,466
And I'm like, how can that
be? You know, how can that be?

1822
01:35:49,783 --> 01:35:51,069
I had a conversation about this

1823
01:35:51,070 --> 01:35:54,009
with the current secretary of
the Air Force, Frank Kendall,

1824
01:35:54,010 --> 01:35:55,839
who has been in the Pentagon

1825
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,326
or in and out of the Pentagon for 40 years.

1826
01:35:58,327 --> 01:36:00,535
And I said, "Hey, you're the head of the Air Force.

1827
01:36:00,536 --> 01:36:03,009
What do you make of this?"

1828
01:36:03,010 --> 01:36:03,946
And basically he said,

1829
01:36:03,947 --> 01:36:06,850
"Listen, the phenomenon has been around

1830
01:36:07,710 --> 01:36:09,579
for as long as I've been alive.

1831
01:36:09,580 --> 01:36:11,529
"This is not new, these reports."

1832
01:36:11,530 --> 01:36:12,946
In his view, he said, you know,

1833
01:36:12,947 --> 01:36:15,579
"I have to worry about threats.
I have to worry about China.

1834
01:36:15,580 --> 01:36:16,412
I have to worry

1835
01:36:16,413 --> 01:36:19,269
about real world national
security vulnerabilities."

1836
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:23,049
And his point was like, maybe
the scientific community needs

1837
01:36:23,050 --> 01:36:25,284
to be where you go to try and figure this out.

1838
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:39,339
My name is Fred Claussen.

1839
01:36:39,340 --> 01:36:43,809
I'm a retired Air Force bird
colonel and fighter pilot.

1840
01:36:43,810 --> 01:36:47,739
In the spring of 1980, I had an event with a UAP.

1841
01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:51,639
I was scrambled while sitting
alert with a fully armed F-15

1842
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:55,899
to identify an unknown object over the North Sea.

1843
01:36:55,900 --> 01:36:57,249
Once I found the object,

1844
01:36:57,250 --> 01:37:00,482
I observed a glowing football
shaped object about the size

1845
01:37:00,483 --> 01:37:04,599
of my F-15, less than a quarter of a mile away.

1846
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:08,246
So I centered it up to my HUD, gun camera is running,

1847
01:37:08,247 --> 01:37:10,660
I'm taking pictures of it, trying to figure out

1848
01:37:10,661 --> 01:37:12,237
what I'm gonna do next.

1849
01:37:12,238 --> 01:37:15,063
Do I intercept it? Do I shoot at it?

1850
01:37:16,050 --> 01:37:16,929
I don't know.

1851
01:37:16,930 --> 01:37:20,259
Then all of a sudden, the object just disappeared,

1852
01:37:20,260 --> 01:37:23,283
went up into space in a blink of an eye and it was gone.

1853
01:37:24,576 --> 01:37:27,819
They had no wings, no type of propulsion

1854
01:37:27,820 --> 01:37:32,449
that I could identify, just a
glowing object with structure

1855
01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:35,583
that was there and then it was gone.

1856
01:37:37,582 --> 01:37:40,269
I returned, debriefed my commander

1857
01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:43,179
and was told not to speak about it again.

1858
01:37:43,180 --> 01:37:45,905
Gun camera film that I had was confiscated, never

1859
01:37:45,906 --> 01:37:47,523
to be seen again.

1860
01:37:49,170 --> 01:37:50,199
Why are you coming forward now?

1861
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,679
I'm coming forward now because I'm 82 years old

1862
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,731
and I feel the time is right to speak about this.

1863
01:37:56,732 --> 01:37:59,246
Even though my story is an old one,

1864
01:37:59,247 --> 01:38:03,009
it proves that the Air Force was intercepting,

1865
01:38:03,010 --> 01:38:07,239
unidentified flying objects in 1980s,

1866
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,706
and mine was one of them.

1867
01:38:49,369 --> 01:38:50,738
If the answers are,

1868
01:38:50,739 --> 01:38:55,819
there are no unidentified aerial
phenomenon, then say that.

1869
01:38:55,980 --> 01:38:56,773
But that's not what the answers are.

1870
01:38:56,774 --> 01:38:58,779
The answers are, "We can't tell you."

1871
01:38:58,780 --> 01:39:00,609
Were there members who were just gobsmacked

1872
01:39:00,610 --> 01:39:01,479
by the assertions

1873
01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:03,279
from David Grusch?
- Yeah, they were.

1874
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,446
They couldn't believe it, a lot of 'em.

1875
01:39:05,447 --> 01:39:09,273
They were a little shocked that all that came out.

1876
01:39:25,445 --> 01:39:28,234
I heard lots of stories in 2017 about

1877
01:39:28,235 --> 01:39:33,315
there being a very strong
evangelical Christian community

1878
01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:36,759
within the military, particularly in the Air Force

1879
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,399
that didn't want to go here.

1880
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:40,899
Put that stuff away.

1881
01:39:40,900 --> 01:39:43,689
We don't want to hear about the woo-woo.

1882
01:39:43,690 --> 01:39:47,439
Because again, it doesn't fit the established,

1883
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:49,613
accepted human story.

1884
01:40:10,050 --> 01:40:11,079
What would you like to see the president

1885
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:12,360
of the United States do?

1886
01:40:15,096 --> 01:40:16,959
I'd like the President of the United States not

1887
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:21,984
to be embarrassed and for fear
that's gonna hurt his legacy

1888
01:40:21,985 --> 01:40:23,889
to say there's something going on out there.

1889
01:40:23,890 --> 01:40:25,170
Let's take a look at it.

1890
01:40:29,630 --> 01:40:31,179
It means that he's interested

1891
01:40:31,180 --> 01:40:34,239
in the scientific community
coming up with some answers

1892
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,689
to questions that thousands
and thousands of people have,

1893
01:40:37,690 --> 01:40:38,699
and thousands and thousands

1894
01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:41,643
of people have experienced unusual things.

1895
01:40:48,510 --> 01:40:51,542
We send people to the
electric chair in this country

1896
01:40:51,543 --> 01:40:55,179
on the basis of eyewitness testimony every day.

1897
01:40:55,180 --> 01:40:58,175
It is a foundation of our legal system,

1898
01:40:58,176 --> 01:41:01,203
but that's not how this issue is treated.

1899
01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:12,639
What happened when you
looked at those photographs?

1900
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,799
Come on, put me there.

1901
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,379
Well, it's like- - I wanna be you for a minute.

1902
01:41:17,380 --> 01:41:19,209
It's like, wow.

1903
01:41:19,210 --> 01:41:22,029
You know, like, I can't think of any way

1904
01:41:22,030 --> 01:41:24,610
to explain this other than

1905
01:41:25,860 --> 01:41:27,759
this is not something in our inventory,

1906
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:28,803
I'm pretty sure.

1907
01:41:49,862 --> 01:41:51,529
James, thank you so much, my friend.

1908
01:41:51,530 --> 01:41:53,229
Let's go to work.

1909
01:41:53,230 --> 01:41:55,299
Everybody have a great safe, beautiful, fun

1910
01:41:55,300 --> 01:41:57,279
and amazing weekend.

1911
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,619
We're gonna go work and go have some fun

1912
01:41:59,620 --> 01:42:01,869
so see you later, bye.

1913
01:42:01,870 --> 01:42:04,473
All right, James, thank you so much, my friend.