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Why is this place so harsh do you think?

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I don’t know.

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This is my mother in law.

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Let's call her “Anastazija”.

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Unfortunately, Anastazija has been
diagnosed with Broken Heart Syndrome.

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Broken Heart Syndrome is
also known by many other names,

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including Takotsubo Cardiomyopathy,

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Stress Cardiomyopathy,

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and Gebrochenes-Herz Syndrome.

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Broken Heart Syndrome gets its name from
the shape of a Japanese "tako-tsubo" pot,

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which is traditionally used to catch octopuses.

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To understand Anastazija's heart
condition better, her son, Goran,

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who is also my husband, asked her some questions,

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trying to understand the life events

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that contributed to her cardiac emergency.

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To begin, we travel back in
time to a little town called Umka,

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which is situated in Serbia.

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I really doesn't know

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where I am.

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On the banks of the Sava River,

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Anastazija's parents lived in a house
where her mother, Ivana, fell pregnant.

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This would be the couple's first child together.

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Ivana’s pregnancy went somewhat according to plan,

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despite the lack of medical care.

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Anastasia was born in the river house

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and life for the young family was looking promising.

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Do you feel like you belong here?

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No.

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What was it like for you growing up?

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Hard.

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Can you tell us what happened to your mother?

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I don’t know.

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Never know.

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Have you ever seen a photograph of your mother?

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Never. No. No.

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How old were you when your mother passed away?

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Six weeks.

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Six weeks old?

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Yeah.

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And did your father look after you after that time?

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He say he does,

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but I don’t know. I was little. I don't know.

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What do you remember? Who looked
after you when you were growing up?

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I just remember I was to Grandpa and Grandma house,

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I didn't remember anything before that.

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So you didn't live with your father, did you?

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No, but I'd been in the house when he was there

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with the other woman and two kids.

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So I’ve been there. I’ve been for lunch.

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I’ve been playing with the other kids.

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Father lived next door?

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Yes!

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Yeah. And he was at home, and he just.

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And you lived with your mother's parents?

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That's right.

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They say to me, my father be punch me or something.

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But he never does. He never raised voice or anything.

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That was a lie.

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And I was afraid of him!

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But no was like that at all.

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And when did you stop seeing your father?

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When I was eleven.

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Because he, he left Serbia. He gone.

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You’re eleven years old?

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Yes.

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So you you lost your mother
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Where did he go?

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He just run away from the Serbia because

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he go to France and then from
France to Canada, and that’s it.

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But there was no communication?

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No, because I never got a letter.

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When I ask, everything was lie!

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All secrets.

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And you don't know why?

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No.

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I just searching all my life I never find out nothing.

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Somebody knows something but doesn't...

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Doesn't say anything. I don’t know.

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I know all, all side of my
father. Everything is not secret.

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I know all of that.

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But not on my mother's side.

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First, how she died? I don’t know.

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Nobody tells me. Everybody forget!

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There was a coffin in metal
because, like, some disease?

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So it’s a sealed coffin, like
literally could not open it.

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Sealed! That’s right.

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I feel horrible all the time.

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When I heard it.

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Because is...

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Why not open to see who is in?

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I always thinking all my life,

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“Maybe she was not in?”

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Because nobody see where she died.

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Nobody was in the hospital.

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Nobody knows nothing!

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My father, the grandma and grandpa, I just blame them

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because one of them must
be all right in the brain to open.

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And every one was doing with
the aluminum and the cutting.

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There was a them job.

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So got it everything to cut and nobody knows?

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Anastazija was finally reunited

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with her father, George, thirty-nine years later.

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He jumped in a plane from Canada where he lived

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and flew directly to Australia to be with Anastasia.

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Once he found out where she was.

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So why doesn't your father
have photographs of your mother?

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When he was run away, whatever,

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he got it bag, and he

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he told me, I don't know is true,

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And he was eating,

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and somebody stole. They thought there was
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One hand I believe is, because he said he brings our...

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You know like papers when we’re
born or whatever is original and

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now where I looking, I haven't got anything original.

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So that means, maybe true?

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And there was a pictures and everything

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but when my father was here, when I asked for my mum.

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I can see he likes her because he was crying.

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So no reason to lie.

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I don’t know.

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So who do you think has affected you more?

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Not having a father or not having a mother?

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If I got a mother,

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she probably teach me

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what the father is and what the father doing

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or whatever, you know, like you see together.

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I think you miss the mother.

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Because mother sometimes...

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told you don't do that. Or don't say that or whatever.

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But is just mother. I miss mother.

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But probably I see the father. I know who his father.

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I know the father.

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I remember him when he left.
In eleven years I got pictures.

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And I know before I know he didn’t

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do anything. He never raised
the voice on me or anything.

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He didn’t.

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It was all lies, like he was tough.

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Maybe he was tough with the

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some other people, but not
with the kids and the family.

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I remember him.

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Do you have peace with your father now?

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Oh, I got it peace when he comes here.
We was talk and I told him everything.

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He apologized and he was crying because

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he thinks I do like there,
because I never tell him anything.

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But I haven't got a choice to to say anything to anyone.

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So he thinks I, I like it, but I didn't.

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Do you ever dream about your mother?
Do you ever visualize your mother?

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I dreaming so many times the woman.

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I dream she’s there. Some woman show me the...

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Chest. Where they bury in the room.

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Coffin.

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And I saw the coffin closed.

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And I saw the woman on the back.

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And was a like a door was standing.

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And the woman just told me to stop

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and she say,

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“I'm just trapped here.”

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And she point in that coffin.

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And I believe her.

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She’s sealed!

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And no wonder she say she’s trapped!

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And do you think that's your mum's coffin?

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I think.

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I see the the woman figure but
never ever I can see the face.

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And how old was your mother when she passed away?

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Twenty-one, I think.

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Do you feel like you trust people? Can you trust?

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No. I’m not really trust people.

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I no trust much people. No.

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If you don't trust people,

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do you trust,

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for example,

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religions?

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No, I don't trust.

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Before you can do whatever with me.

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But now I just

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no trust anyone

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and I believe what I believe.

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And I don't really care!

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But I should be from beginning.

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But...

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still not late.

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On end I can do whatever I want,

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but it's no, I'm not trusting people.

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Because people is changing mind just like that!

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Just doesn't matter.

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And why do you think people change
their minds so quickly about stuff?

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I don't know. How I know? I do same!

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But I don't know why.

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Sometimes

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we just wants to do something, but you

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didn't do it that one when you
always thinking. You do different way.

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When you human like that. How I know?

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We all like that.

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Given your background

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and your history with your
family and the way that it was,

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do you think society is better now or has it changed?

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Oh, yeah, now people can live
really the life how they wants and

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and enjoying the life and

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it's just a freedom!

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Before you need to

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listen bloody old woman what
was a hundred years old thinks.

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I didn't have the choice.

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I can't go to any one so I can’t run anywhere.

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I can’t do anything.

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I didn't have money. I was young.

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What I can do? Nothing.

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I even tried to kill myself.

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I just didn’t do it. I don't know, something like,

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I don't know.

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I don't know how I changed my
mind, but I just changed my mind.

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But it's not.

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Are you glad you changed your mind?

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Sometimes I do and sometimes I’m not.

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I always think if I do would be better for my life.

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But sometimes. Say, ah?

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And do you think that if you did

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end your life on purpose,

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do you think that that's going

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to do something later on spiritually for you?

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No, no, nothing.

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I never, never think about spiritual or anything.

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It's just my, got enough with my life, that's all.

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There's nothing really.

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I didn't go further or anything is just, you know, like

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you don't want to do something.

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You know like if

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if you don't want somebody see you,

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you go in a bedroom and lock the door.

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That's it.

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Then nobody can see you.

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But you didn't think anything else.

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You just doesn't want see the person.

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That's all.

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But is no was anything

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like a spiritual.

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Only when I start dreaming.

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I start dreaming long time
ago, But I didn't take any notice.

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Sometimes I just remember this and that.

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But I remember all my dreams
from before, all the back now

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is really can tell me something,

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I didn't, because I was busy to work,

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to

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Think about something or whatever, but is still here

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and still I can

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I feel like yesterday.

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And even now when I dream something I can't remember,

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but you ask me after

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I tell you from A to Z

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because they just come together.

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And are those dreams to teach you something or to?

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I don't know. I don't know.

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But I just feel some dreams,

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I just feel relaxed. I just feel like how I want to live

263
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and doesn't want back!

264
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And all the time I say, “I don't want back”,

265
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but I'm just back.

266
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(gentle music)

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So?

268
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Sometimes.

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Before was always dream.

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I don’t know. Was so many
people didn't believe in whatever.

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Devil. But I saw like,

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you know, like we drawing the devil with the [horns].

273
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Whatever. But he was not
the devil to kill me or anything.

274
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He just chasing me like a
more, more like playing with me

275
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and I was running and running
until I stood in front of him.

276
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And after that he disappeared. But he’s not

277
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killing me or anything.

278
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But I just doesn't want to be near.

279
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And I was running, running all the time

280
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and one time I said, “No.”

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So I stop like that and he disappeared.

282
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But I not was scared.

283
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But is just got enough.

284
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I no was scared in my life. I no
was really scared like whatever,

285
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but is just a...

286
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I think I was stupid.

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I

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I just was polite to everyone,
even if I see there was a stupid

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doing to me and I say, “Yeah, it's okay, it doesn't matter.”

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I just

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go over and say do this one.

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And I don’t want. Like a first example,

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go to church or whatever is.

294
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I didn't want really.

295
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And I just go because there's some people say,

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but after when I say, “No”,

297
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I feel better because if I want to go, I go.

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I'm not say tomorrow. Maybe I just think and I go.

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I’m not say forever or something,
but just that time you don't want it.

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(gentle music)

301
00:15:54,821 --> 00:15:57,419
But before I just doing even I don’t want

302
00:15:57,461 --> 00:16:02,061
and I was so upset because I upset on me.

303
00:16:03,101 --> 00:16:06,341
Everyone can see it is I am upset.

304
00:16:07,781 --> 00:16:09,221
And I'm not that person.

305
00:16:09,621 --> 00:16:13,261
I'm never person, how I am!

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Everybody see me different.

307
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But it's not me.

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I can't change that.

309
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Do hold a lot of guilt?

310
00:16:22,461 --> 00:16:24,621
Yeah, yeah, I do.

311
00:16:24,941 --> 00:16:27,461
Does someone make you feel like you should be guilty?

312
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Yeah.

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Nobody makes me.

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I just

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feel like.

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Where I was working, all the time where I was working,

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when I'm with the friends was outside

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by myself or whatever,

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the people always around me,

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they always listen me. Always
they call me to go with them

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to be part of that things and whatever.

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And I'm there, different.

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When I come home,

324
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I'm just complete, different person.

325
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And on a work,

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I don't know, I never got it
trouble. Nobody fight with me.

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Everyone. Everyone friends.

328
00:17:09,101 --> 00:17:12,461
But when I'm home it's just different. I'm just

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pushing everyone.

330
00:17:15,381 --> 00:17:19,261
Did you want to talk about your
heart and what happened to you and?

331
00:17:20,661 --> 00:17:22,301
I don’t know much about heart.

332
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I tell you honestly.

333
00:17:24,221 --> 00:17:26,781
In the bus stop I was running.

334
00:17:26,861 --> 00:17:31,741
And I remember the two women. There
was one younger and one old woman.

335
00:17:32,621 --> 00:17:35,461
And I was on this side and the bus coming,

336
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and no was even my bus,

337
00:17:38,421 --> 00:17:40,141
and I never go in that bus.

338
00:17:40,821 --> 00:17:44,101
And she was waving and I say like that she can go,

339
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because that was not my bus.

340
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So she told him to stop.

341
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He was waiting, that guy.

342
00:17:52,501 --> 00:17:57,261
And I coming on the window
and I say, “I'm going to Coles.”

343
00:17:57,821 --> 00:17:59,421
And he say, “I stop for you.”

344
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He stop for me, but he's usually not stopping there.

345
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And I was sit.

346
00:18:05,501 --> 00:18:11,101
And where we go just further little bit where
is our twenty-four hours where I go now.

347
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You know that pokie there, whatever is.

348
00:18:15,141 --> 00:18:19,181
And it start just going like a knife and on the back.

349
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And I was do like that and I just do it.

350
00:18:22,381 --> 00:18:26,861
And the woman, that young one, she was
opposite and she look at me and she say,

351
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“What's wrong with you?”

352
00:18:29,101 --> 00:18:33,101
I say, “I don't know.” And anyway, I just start it.

353
00:18:33,181 --> 00:18:36,501
And I start burp. And she say, “Driver stop!

354
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She got it heart attack!”

355
00:18:38,981 --> 00:18:40,141
She say that.

356
00:18:40,421 --> 00:18:44,501
And after he just go on the side and he stop

357
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and he get me out

358
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and I go outside on the steps

359
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and is vomiting

360
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and I couldn’t come in back.

361
00:18:52,861 --> 00:18:58,901
So he got his jacket and his bag
and he put in there on the front,

362
00:18:59,421 --> 00:19:03,101
my head and his jacket underneath because there was,

363
00:19:04,301 --> 00:19:07,981
you know, like dirt there on the steps.

364
00:19:08,181 --> 00:19:12,421
And I lay there and after get up again to vomit.

365
00:19:12,541 --> 00:19:14,581
I vomiting. You couldn’t believe it!

366
00:19:15,101 --> 00:19:16,421
So like buckets.

367
00:19:17,221 --> 00:19:18,701
And anyway,

368
00:19:18,857 --> 00:19:19,968
(dramatic music)

369
00:19:20,181 --> 00:19:23,061
they call ambulance straight away and ambulance

370
00:19:24,261 --> 00:19:27,181
talk to him and after he was,

371
00:19:27,861 --> 00:19:32,901
because I just was like that
and I was I feel like in my dream.

372
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I just want was really light.

373
00:19:36,021 --> 00:19:39,541
And I want to go and go and he, he just

374
00:19:39,741 --> 00:19:43,301
he say to me in the hospital when he comes, and he say,

375
00:19:43,421 --> 00:19:46,421
“I was doing like that. I don't know what to do.

376
00:19:46,581 --> 00:19:52,301
Because call you, whatever, you just go!”

377
00:19:52,581 --> 00:19:57,901
You know like “no”. But he say he was scared I was dead.

378
00:19:58,101 --> 00:20:02,741
But after, you know when he was
really shaking me and calling me,

379
00:20:03,061 --> 00:20:03,901
and I

380
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hear and I open my eyes and
now again, he say three times, was.

381
00:20:09,461 --> 00:20:13,221
But the last time I said, “Just leave me to go.”

382
00:20:13,341 --> 00:20:14,181
He say, “No!”

383
00:20:14,621 --> 00:20:16,021
(laughing)

384
00:20:16,101 --> 00:20:17,661
And I remember,

385
00:20:18,021 --> 00:20:22,221
but I remember even when I was
going I didn't see lights or anything.

386
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Just a light.

387
00:20:23,981 --> 00:20:26,421
I was light, you know, not heavy,

388
00:20:26,741 --> 00:20:29,701
but so beautiful. No pain, no nothing it’s just

389
00:20:29,821 --> 00:20:31,581
beautiful and I wants to, but I

390
00:20:31,821 --> 00:20:33,581
I feel he was just.

391
00:20:33,981 --> 00:20:37,701
He give me his water because
they say there to put in water.

392
00:20:38,221 --> 00:20:40,221
He opened his bottle.

393
00:20:42,421 --> 00:20:44,859
I can feel it the water

394
00:20:44,901 --> 00:20:46,541
water in my mouth.

395
00:20:48,741 --> 00:20:51,301
I remember I didn’t fell yet and

396
00:20:51,581 --> 00:20:55,501
hospital say probably ask if I got it AIDS.

397
00:20:56,221 --> 00:20:58,101
No AIDS, the Covid.

398
00:20:58,741 --> 00:20:59,501
And

399
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and

400
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I just heard three of them,

401
00:21:02,381 --> 00:21:03,819
“Not bloody Covid!”

402
00:21:03,861 --> 00:21:06,061
Three of three of them in the same voice.

403
00:21:06,381 --> 00:21:07,299
“Not bloody Covid.

404
00:21:07,341 --> 00:21:08,381
Is a heart attack.

405
00:21:08,501 --> 00:21:09,541
Better hurry up!”

406
00:21:13,021 --> 00:21:15,501
Was it a heart attack or was it something else?

407
00:21:17,181 --> 00:21:19,261
There was a “broken heart”.

408
00:21:19,781 --> 00:21:21,501
That's very unusual, “Broken Heart.”

409
00:21:21,581 --> 00:21:25,261
Because they ask me. Ask
me all the time questions there.

410
00:21:26,061 --> 00:21:28,421
Did I’m, I got someone

411
00:21:29,901 --> 00:21:33,541
before in the family of the Asian people?

412
00:21:35,661 --> 00:21:37,301
Because that's a Asian

413
00:21:37,941 --> 00:21:41,861
and umm, Asian and what’s is name?

414
00:21:43,381 --> 00:21:45,621
Indian disease.

415
00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:49,181
They got it Asian people all the time.

416
00:21:49,821 --> 00:21:52,741
The doctor told me. And I can see now in the movies.

417
00:21:53,461 --> 00:21:57,581
All the time the woman leaving
or something whatever is.

418
00:21:58,021 --> 00:21:59,501
Got it broken heart.

419
00:22:00,661 --> 00:22:01,859
When did you come to Australia?

420
00:22:01,901 --> 00:22:02,741
Nineteen.

421
00:22:02,941 --> 00:22:04,299
When you were nineteen?

422
00:22:04,341 --> 00:22:04,941
Yeah.

423
00:22:05,061 --> 00:22:08,421
And he says up to nineteen
you don’t know nothing anyway.

424
00:22:08,821 --> 00:22:09,941
But yeah.

425
00:22:10,221 --> 00:22:11,819
But I say, “I don’t know anyone.”

426
00:22:11,861 --> 00:22:13,261
He say “broken heart”.

427
00:22:13,621 --> 00:22:15,821
When that nurses when they come in,

428
00:22:16,301 --> 00:22:19,181
one was Indian and one was Asian.

429
00:22:19,501 --> 00:22:24,021
And she say, “The four years you not really recover.”

430
00:22:25,301 --> 00:22:26,501
And it's true.

431
00:22:26,781 --> 00:22:27,941
It's a four years.

432
00:22:28,141 --> 00:22:29,701
How long has it been now?

433
00:22:30,061 --> 00:22:32,581
And now it starts second year.

434
00:22:33,461 --> 00:22:34,701
Just a one month [over].

435
00:22:34,861 --> 00:22:38,701
She say it's gone but you you not recover.

436
00:22:39,341 --> 00:22:42,861
But sometimes it is coming bad.

437
00:22:42,941 --> 00:22:45,901
Sometimes it's just disappear.

438
00:22:47,061 --> 00:22:49,661
So I ask, I asked the, that

439
00:22:50,061 --> 00:22:54,181
other one was she was she was four years no working

440
00:22:54,621 --> 00:22:57,941
because she says she couldn't
work because some days she can't

441
00:22:58,181 --> 00:22:59,541
do anything.

442
00:23:01,061 --> 00:23:03,581
But four years, she say now I’m

443
00:23:03,701 --> 00:23:06,381
I'm not she say, I'm not hundred percent.

444
00:23:06,701 --> 00:23:10,821
But I can, you know, work like now, whatever is.

445
00:23:10,981 --> 00:23:12,541
She not lifting there.

446
00:23:14,221 --> 00:23:18,021
She not lifting. The other nurses
and so she just do like whatever.

447
00:23:18,581 --> 00:23:22,781
But the Asian say, “Never trust.”

448
00:23:24,701 --> 00:23:26,461
She say so many people,

449
00:23:26,581 --> 00:23:29,941
in their country, you never trust. You just fell.

450
00:23:30,701 --> 00:23:32,661
Or some sleep or some

451
00:23:33,301 --> 00:23:34,101
just gone!

452
00:23:34,541 --> 00:23:37,381
And do you know, did they tell you why it happens?

453
00:23:37,821 --> 00:23:39,901
Doctor told me, that old one.

454
00:23:40,421 --> 00:23:44,181
He say, “You must be got long time some stress.”

455
00:23:44,456 --> 00:23:45,488
(gentle upbeat music)

456
00:23:45,901 --> 00:23:49,019
Someone you love or something

457
00:23:49,061 --> 00:23:51,701
and you, you can't go over

458
00:23:52,101 --> 00:23:55,341
something like that. You know, like your heart is

459
00:23:56,181 --> 00:23:57,341
whatever do.

460
00:23:57,901 --> 00:24:02,061
And sometimes, he say, if somebody died,

461
00:24:02,261 --> 00:24:05,621
you know like not died long time or whatever but

462
00:24:06,461 --> 00:24:09,861
you know like now somebody died and you are really...

463
00:24:11,821 --> 00:24:12,520
Grief.

464
00:24:12,562 --> 00:24:13,499
Grieve.

465
00:24:13,541 --> 00:24:16,141
They got it because so many people on the

466
00:24:16,541 --> 00:24:20,021
graveyard like that. Especially
mothers. They just gone!

467
00:24:20,781 --> 00:24:22,101
And I say,

468
00:24:22,941 --> 00:24:25,221
“Yeah, no was happy in my life but?”

469
00:24:25,581 --> 00:24:29,341
He just say, “This doesn't
matter. It’s not from the one day.”

470
00:24:31,341 --> 00:24:32,781
I was thinking.

471
00:24:33,581 --> 00:24:35,541
He say, “How was your childhood?”

472
00:24:35,661 --> 00:24:36,941
I said, “Not too great!”

473
00:24:38,181 --> 00:24:41,461
Broken Heart Syndrome comes in five main types,

474
00:24:41,541 --> 00:24:43,981
according to many clinical websites.

475
00:24:44,981 --> 00:24:49,941
Apical type, the most common,
affecting over 80% of cases.

476
00:24:50,301 --> 00:24:53,301
It impacts the lower half of the heart.

477
00:24:54,581 --> 00:24:56,541
Mid ventricular type

478
00:24:56,941 --> 00:25:00,661
affects the middle section of
the heart's lower chambers.

479
00:25:01,541 --> 00:25:02,781
Basal type.

480
00:25:03,181 --> 00:25:07,301
This is rare, affecting only about 2% of cases,

481
00:25:07,661 --> 00:25:11,141
and it impacts the area higher up in the heart

482
00:25:12,221 --> 00:25:17,901
Focal type, the rarest form making
up about one percent of cases.

483
00:25:17,981 --> 00:25:23,501
It involves a small bulging area with the
opposite side of the heart curving inward.

484
00:25:24,181 --> 00:25:25,981
Biventricular type.

485
00:25:26,381 --> 00:25:29,859
This is a rare form of broken
heart syndrome, where both

486
00:25:29,901 --> 00:25:32,221
ventricles of the heart exhibit

487
00:25:32,461 --> 00:25:33,901
uneven movement

488
00:25:34,021 --> 00:25:36,741
and it requires more invasive treatment.

489
00:25:37,541 --> 00:25:41,661
Anastazija also had a
massive blood clot in her heart,

490
00:25:41,741 --> 00:25:45,261
and that made her condition
just a little bit more complicated.

491
00:25:46,101 --> 00:25:50,461
Do you feel like you're on the
edge of getting more problems?

492
00:25:50,581 --> 00:25:52,381
Or are you just now?

493
00:25:52,981 --> 00:25:54,901
No, I not think about my heart.

494
00:25:55,421 --> 00:25:59,101
I know when my heart is sore. I know different

495
00:25:59,861 --> 00:26:00,821
sore.

496
00:26:01,181 --> 00:26:02,181
I don't know,

497
00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:03,981
really,

498
00:26:04,181 --> 00:26:07,021
if I believe in miracle or not believe or?

499
00:26:07,261 --> 00:26:09,021
I'm confused, actually.

500
00:26:09,581 --> 00:26:13,181
But what I see or what I feel, I just.

501
00:26:13,541 --> 00:26:16,221
Something is there, but I can't explain.

502
00:26:16,941 --> 00:26:19,861
Last week I was so sick two days.

503
00:26:20,621 --> 00:26:22,421
I was praying to go.

504
00:26:22,901 --> 00:26:25,381
It's just got enough!

505
00:26:26,701 --> 00:26:31,381
And I was dreaming that I was in the light somewhere.

506
00:26:31,847 --> 00:26:33,276
(gentle music)

507
00:26:33,661 --> 00:26:37,181
I see the hands of that yellow stuff, whatever was.

508
00:26:38,101 --> 00:26:39,821
And after that

509
00:26:40,701 --> 00:26:45,181
my heart was so sore and I wake up.

510
00:26:45,501 --> 00:26:47,941
But after that, I feel

511
00:26:48,901 --> 00:26:49,701
better.

512
00:26:50,181 --> 00:26:54,381
You know like somebody was
doing, I don't know, whatever.

513
00:26:54,461 --> 00:26:55,259
Massaging it?

514
00:26:55,301 --> 00:26:57,099
Massage! I don't know what they doing.

515
00:26:57,141 --> 00:26:58,861
Healing me or I don't know.

516
00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:00,341
And

517
00:27:00,581 --> 00:27:01,661
after that

518
00:27:01,741 --> 00:27:05,141
next day I also was somewhere.

519
00:27:05,341 --> 00:27:06,021
Wherever.

520
00:27:06,101 --> 00:27:10,861
No lights but was somewhere
I was happy, whatever there,

521
00:27:12,101 --> 00:27:14,621
hugging me and all of that.

522
00:27:14,781 --> 00:27:16,581
I see the hands hug

523
00:27:16,941 --> 00:27:23,461
and I always got it pain around,
and I, when I, before I wake.

524
00:27:23,661 --> 00:27:28,421
When I wake, it was pain all around.
You know like now pain everywhere.

525
00:27:28,661 --> 00:27:32,181
So I was doing like that and I
go to toilet and then back and

526
00:27:32,461 --> 00:27:34,301
after I sleep on the morning,

527
00:27:35,381 --> 00:27:36,461
no pain.

528
00:27:37,221 --> 00:27:38,101
It's just,

529
00:27:38,981 --> 00:27:43,181
you see like a today is no pain is just a breathe.

530
00:27:43,661 --> 00:27:46,861
You know like. But when I got it pain, I got it pain.

531
00:27:47,261 --> 00:27:49,341
And I don't know.

532
00:27:50,261 --> 00:27:52,581
Somebody doing something? I don’t know.

533
00:27:52,901 --> 00:27:56,661
When I sleep sometimes I can feel someone.

534
00:27:57,421 --> 00:28:01,741
But is not I scared, it is just I don't know.

535
00:28:03,581 --> 00:28:10,301
Do you believe in other forms
of life, like alien sort of stuff?

536
00:28:12,981 --> 00:28:14,261
I know they exist.

537
00:28:14,341 --> 00:28:16,781
I believe in the aliens is here.

538
00:28:16,981 --> 00:28:19,141
I believe they got it and everything.

539
00:28:19,581 --> 00:28:21,781
But I don't believe like

540
00:28:23,621 --> 00:28:26,021
if I died or something, they do.

541
00:28:26,181 --> 00:28:27,661
But I know they are

542
00:28:28,941 --> 00:28:30,021
they are with us.

543
00:28:30,501 --> 00:28:32,341
They do something, but not.

544
00:28:32,701 --> 00:28:33,819
It's a separate thing?

545
00:28:33,861 --> 00:28:35,419
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:28:35,461 --> 00:28:37,621
And are you afraid at all?

547
00:28:38,741 --> 00:28:40,261
To die? No.

548
00:28:41,541 --> 00:28:43,979
I like better die than I am in a pain.

549
00:28:44,021 --> 00:28:47,461
If you see something like I need to whatever,

550
00:28:47,861 --> 00:28:49,461
just take off that shit.

551
00:28:50,421 --> 00:28:52,781
Don't let me to be...

552
00:28:53,124 --> 00:28:54,394
(intense music)

553
00:28:54,861 --> 00:28:56,861
and a just take off.

554
00:28:57,781 --> 00:29:00,541
Don't be guilty because I wants like that.

555
00:29:00,701 --> 00:29:04,981
Or if you see I can’t be walk or talk
or anything, and I want do something,

556
00:29:05,141 --> 00:29:07,221
just let me go.

557
00:29:08,341 --> 00:29:12,461
Recovery from Broken Heart
Syndrome is quite complicated,

558
00:29:12,701 --> 00:29:15,861
and it always involves
addressing both the physical

559
00:29:16,181 --> 00:29:18,621
and the psychological aspects.

560
00:29:18,981 --> 00:29:22,661
Some common sense and
practical approaches to help patients

561
00:29:22,741 --> 00:29:28,221
during their recovery and to reduce
the risk of reoccurrence include:

562
00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:33,581
To attend any follow up appointments
that your cardiologist has recommended

563
00:29:33,821 --> 00:29:36,261
because they’re going to
help monitor heart function

564
00:29:36,421 --> 00:29:38,341
and ensure your proper recovery.

565
00:29:38,981 --> 00:29:41,301
Always take your prescribed medication

566
00:29:41,421 --> 00:29:44,381
as directed by your healthcare provider.

567
00:29:44,861 --> 00:29:47,019
And some of the medications may include

568
00:29:47,061 --> 00:29:51,061
Beta Blockers, ACE inhibitors, or even diuretics.

569
00:29:51,941 --> 00:29:57,301
Eating a healthy diet is vital to the
recovery of Broken Heart Syndrome.

570
00:29:57,501 --> 00:30:00,621
You want to choose lots of
fresh fruits and vegetables,

571
00:30:00,741 --> 00:30:04,059
lean proteins, and whole grains.

572
00:30:04,101 --> 00:30:06,941
And of course, you want to avoid saturated fats,

573
00:30:07,901 --> 00:30:10,101
alcohol, smoking,

574
00:30:10,261 --> 00:30:13,341
lots of salt and processed sugars as well.

575
00:30:14,381 --> 00:30:17,741
Exercise is also an important part of recovery.

576
00:30:18,261 --> 00:30:22,301
Now you don't want to go hardcore.
You want to listen to the instructions

577
00:30:22,381 --> 00:30:25,301
that your healthcare practitioner has given you.

578
00:30:25,701 --> 00:30:29,701
And it probably involves only moderate exercise.

579
00:30:29,981 --> 00:30:31,661
So things like walking,

580
00:30:31,941 --> 00:30:37,221
gentle swimming. Just things that
have a gentle effect on your heart.

581
00:30:37,661 --> 00:30:41,301
They will be good for you because
they will help to keep the blood flowing,

582
00:30:41,461 --> 00:30:43,621
and they can help your recovery as well.

583
00:30:44,541 --> 00:30:45,941
Psychologically,

584
00:30:46,141 --> 00:30:50,701
recovery always involves
stress management practices.

585
00:30:51,061 --> 00:30:58,061
Now this involves meditation,
mindfulness, gentle yoga.

586
00:30:58,501 --> 00:31:03,661
Meditation. Anything that
helps to calm the nervous system

587
00:31:03,821 --> 00:31:07,261
will be very valuable in this situation.

588
00:31:08,621 --> 00:31:11,021
I don't believe is real.

589
00:31:11,261 --> 00:31:12,461
Everything is

590
00:31:13,581 --> 00:31:14,621
like a fake!

591
00:31:14,821 --> 00:31:18,341
Is this conversation, you sitting on this couch,

592
00:31:19,141 --> 00:31:20,701
does this seem fake to you?

593
00:31:20,781 --> 00:31:21,381
No.

594
00:31:21,501 --> 00:31:23,461
Because I talk to you. I know who you are.

595
00:31:23,541 --> 00:31:27,181
And I loves you and I talk. And I told you what I feel.

596
00:31:27,661 --> 00:31:31,901
But probably I do to the psychiatrist or whatever.

597
00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:37,221
But if there's some other stupid
one next to me, what I doesn't like,

598
00:31:37,461 --> 00:31:39,181
I never say that. I’d be just...

599
00:31:41,341 --> 00:31:43,301
Just say something what he likes.

600
00:31:44,661 --> 00:31:48,581
Yeah, because is. You can't tell the same things,

601
00:31:49,101 --> 00:31:51,621
everything the people same thing,

602
00:31:51,741 --> 00:31:53,821
because we are all different.

603
00:31:54,181 --> 00:31:58,021
So someone is just wants you to hear

604
00:31:58,701 --> 00:32:02,981
because for a fun. Someone wants
to make the joke with you. Someone

605
00:32:03,341 --> 00:32:05,541
Someone really wants to hear it.

606
00:32:05,861 --> 00:32:10,261
So you need to know and
judge which person you can talk.

607
00:32:11,541 --> 00:32:14,541
But some people is like that. They just.

608
00:32:15,501 --> 00:32:17,621
Just you need to do whatever you say.

609
00:32:18,341 --> 00:32:19,221
Is not.

610
00:32:19,637 --> 00:32:20,907
(intense dramatic music)

611
00:32:21,261 --> 00:32:26,141
Are you on any medications for your mind?

612
00:32:26,581 --> 00:32:31,461
No, I'm not on any medication. Just Advil and my pump.

613
00:32:31,581 --> 00:32:34,061
Nothing. No, I haven't got medication.

614
00:32:34,461 --> 00:32:37,541
And how do you feel about,

615
00:32:38,741 --> 00:32:42,501
like you mentioned psychiatrist
before. Did you have any success?

616
00:32:42,901 --> 00:32:44,261
I've been before.

617
00:32:45,021 --> 00:32:46,261
What do you think about them?

618
00:32:47,061 --> 00:32:50,821
When I talk to him, because
that psychiatrist I like it.

619
00:32:51,981 --> 00:32:53,941
Him. That psychiatrist.

620
00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:57,861
He got a problem at home,

621
00:32:58,301 --> 00:33:00,661
so sometimes he's a,

622
00:33:01,341 --> 00:33:03,541
you know, like a nervous or whatever.

623
00:33:03,941 --> 00:33:06,061
And I can see that, because

624
00:33:06,261 --> 00:33:10,381
that big cup of the coffee
and he drinking all the time.

625
00:33:10,461 --> 00:33:12,181
He smoking like a chimney.

626
00:33:12,541 --> 00:33:14,421
We was smoking like a chimney.

627
00:33:15,741 --> 00:33:18,101
And he say, “I need to do that

628
00:33:18,421 --> 00:33:21,701
and I am psychiatrist and I can't help myself.

629
00:33:22,461 --> 00:33:23,541
Because if

630
00:33:23,781 --> 00:33:27,381
you got it problem with your own, that's a different.”

631
00:33:28,501 --> 00:33:31,581
Because you know, you you can't change it.

632
00:33:32,221 --> 00:33:35,141
I didn't go to cure or something, you know like

633
00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:38,301
I was free to talk and we talk.

634
00:33:38,581 --> 00:33:42,061
You know he talks about him and you talk about and

635
00:33:42,381 --> 00:33:44,501
you know like like I talk with you.

636
00:33:44,621 --> 00:33:48,181
So you go more relax,

637
00:33:48,581 --> 00:33:51,181
more emptier or whatever how I go.

638
00:33:51,501 --> 00:33:52,499
And I feel all right.

639
00:33:52,541 --> 00:33:55,181
Then after next Tuesday, I go again.

640
00:33:56,941 --> 00:33:59,661
He say, “Just your childhood is build up.”

641
00:34:01,141 --> 00:34:03,739
So do you think if your
circumstances were different in life

642
00:34:03,781 --> 00:34:05,021
you'd be a different person?

643
00:34:05,621 --> 00:34:07,581
I am, I know now,

644
00:34:08,101 --> 00:34:11,221
I know all the time, I am different person.

645
00:34:11,461 --> 00:34:14,021
But you never see your mum!

646
00:34:15,181 --> 00:34:17,941
Because somehow something

647
00:34:19,301 --> 00:34:20,061
stop me!

648
00:34:20,381 --> 00:34:22,421
But you never see me real.

649
00:34:23,301 --> 00:34:25,301
I am different. I'm caring.

650
00:34:25,621 --> 00:34:26,501
I

651
00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:29,581
I like people. I like

652
00:34:30,061 --> 00:34:33,261
whatever. But I also I can judge the people.

653
00:34:33,461 --> 00:34:35,501
And everyone say I'm rude. I’m not.

654
00:34:35,701 --> 00:34:36,701
Because I don't.

655
00:34:36,981 --> 00:34:38,861
I can see the person and I don’t...

656
00:34:39,221 --> 00:34:39,821
don’t...

657
00:34:40,381 --> 00:34:42,501
feel with the person. That’s all.

658
00:34:43,381 --> 00:34:45,861
How old were you when you got married?

659
00:34:46,581 --> 00:34:47,661
Fourteen.

660
00:34:47,861 --> 00:34:48,621
Fourteen?

661
00:34:48,701 --> 00:34:49,501
That's right.

662
00:34:49,941 --> 00:34:50,781
You got married?

663
00:34:50,901 --> 00:34:51,501
Yes!

664
00:34:53,181 --> 00:34:55,781
How old were you when you had your first child?

665
00:34:56,221 --> 00:34:59,581
Seventeen. Because I didn’t have that time kids.

666
00:34:59,781 --> 00:35:00,501
Three years.

667
00:35:00,621 --> 00:35:04,541
Where I was in the hospital
first where take my blood test,

668
00:35:04,621 --> 00:35:05,701
Where I was pregnant.

669
00:35:06,541 --> 00:35:11,021
And there was one doctor, young
one there in hospital in Beograd.

670
00:35:11,421 --> 00:35:14,381
And he say to me, “I know you're pregnant.

671
00:35:14,621 --> 00:35:15,981
Can you run with me?”

672
00:35:17,261 --> 00:35:17,941
Oh?

673
00:35:18,141 --> 00:35:18,839
Yeah.

674
00:35:18,881 --> 00:35:21,899
And I say, “No, where? Where I run?”

675
00:35:21,941 --> 00:35:22,699
Yeah, innocence.

676
00:35:22,741 --> 00:35:27,581
He say, “I know you pregnant,
but I want the child. Doesn’t matter.

677
00:35:27,861 --> 00:35:30,261
Just run with me.” And I said, “No, no.”

678
00:35:30,701 --> 00:35:33,861
And he was look after me really, really good there.

679
00:35:34,381 --> 00:35:37,901
Probably they they knew the family was [crazy].

680
00:35:38,941 --> 00:35:40,341
I thinks, yeah.

681
00:35:40,781 --> 00:35:43,141
I just thinks now because there was [crazy].

682
00:35:43,661 --> 00:35:47,621
But the young one, actually, that not
was young one, I mean was a [man].

683
00:35:48,301 --> 00:35:52,781
But he he actually say, “I know
you pregnant, you can run with me.”

684
00:35:53,061 --> 00:35:54,141
I say, “Where I run?”

685
00:35:54,261 --> 00:35:55,101
And I should!

686
00:35:55,701 --> 00:35:59,221
Do you feel like you belong in the
other place that you dream about?

687
00:36:02,141 --> 00:36:08,301
And do you visually see these people
or is it just light in the other place?

688
00:36:09,461 --> 00:36:12,941
When I’m sleep, I see the people. I am with that people.

689
00:36:13,421 --> 00:36:14,221
And I feel

690
00:36:14,941 --> 00:36:15,581
happy.

691
00:36:16,061 --> 00:36:19,981
And it's nobody you knew before?
No one here that's over there?

692
00:36:20,581 --> 00:36:22,741
No, but no.

693
00:36:23,221 --> 00:36:25,821
Just like was before together. That’s all.

694
00:36:26,555 --> 00:36:28,777
(dramatic music)

695
00:36:31,261 --> 00:36:34,101
If you had to live your life again,

696
00:36:36,221 --> 00:36:37,621
would you do it differently?

697
00:36:38,221 --> 00:36:38,821
Yes.

698
00:36:40,581 --> 00:36:41,941
I do what I wants

699
00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:43,901
all the time.

700
00:36:48,061 --> 00:36:51,421
Do you feel like you didn't have as
much power as you could have had?

701
00:36:51,661 --> 00:36:52,581
That's right.

702
00:36:53,741 --> 00:36:55,941
That's not my choice of living.

703
00:36:58,541 --> 00:37:00,621
So would you come back onto Earth?

704
00:37:00,701 --> 00:37:02,661
I just wish now I never come back.

705
00:37:02,741 --> 00:37:05,341
But if come back, I don't want this life.

706
00:37:07,541 --> 00:37:10,701
And how do you feel about being a woman on Earth?

707
00:37:13,381 --> 00:37:17,261
It's okay. It’s just. It’s okay.

708
00:37:18,221 --> 00:37:20,501
It's okay. But just to do

709
00:37:22,981 --> 00:37:25,821
what you feel what you like, what you

710
00:37:26,581 --> 00:37:28,781
appreciate or whatever is.

711
00:37:29,221 --> 00:37:30,181
Not like

712
00:37:31,061 --> 00:37:33,061
whatever. Lost chook.

713
00:37:33,541 --> 00:37:34,501
Lost chook.

714
00:37:34,741 --> 00:37:35,821
That’s it.

715
00:37:37,781 --> 00:37:41,181
Because somebody else do for you from

716
00:37:41,621 --> 00:37:45,501
when you born what you need
to do and how you even can die.

717
00:37:47,141 --> 00:37:48,941
So that's not good.

718
00:37:52,141 --> 00:37:55,861
What's the most important lesson
do you think you've had so far

719
00:37:56,221 --> 00:37:57,101
on Earth?

720
00:37:58,461 --> 00:37:59,141
For me,

721
00:38:00,021 --> 00:38:01,701
because I should be more stronger.

722
00:38:02,341 --> 00:38:03,141
But I didn't.

723
00:38:04,581 --> 00:38:06,461
Just the family how you grow up.

724
00:38:06,541 --> 00:38:07,621
And how you.

725
00:38:08,621 --> 00:38:11,261
You were stupid. That's all. For stupid!

726
00:38:12,061 --> 00:38:12,901
Because

727
00:38:13,981 --> 00:38:18,741
everyone can say “no” or
something like that, but I just

728
00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:21,581
didn’t think enough!

729
00:38:23,141 --> 00:38:28,541
Consider seeing a psychologist or a
counselor to address any emotional issues

730
00:38:28,981 --> 00:38:31,341
and to develop coping strategies.

731
00:38:31,541 --> 00:38:34,981
Cognitive behavioral therapy, also known as CBT,

732
00:38:35,261 --> 00:38:39,461
has been shown as very effective in this situation.

733
00:38:40,181 --> 00:38:44,141
Support systems are also
really important for recovery,

734
00:38:44,301 --> 00:38:47,981
so be sure to stay connected with family and friends

735
00:38:48,221 --> 00:38:52,541
because there also going to provide
you with a level of emotional support.

736
00:38:52,901 --> 00:38:57,381
Now I just want to point out that
this is by no means medical advice

737
00:38:57,461 --> 00:38:58,821
that is tailored to you.

738
00:38:59,141 --> 00:39:02,821
So it is important that you see
your own health care practitioner

739
00:39:02,981 --> 00:39:06,421
to get advice that supports
your specific situation.

740
00:39:10,061 --> 00:39:12,301
Go somewhere. I don’t know where.

741
00:39:12,661 --> 00:39:13,661
But

742
00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:16,181
the people say “Heaven”. So I don’t know.

743
00:39:16,341 --> 00:39:17,221
In the Light!

744
00:39:19,854 --> 00:39:23,029
(gentle music)

745
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,307
(music fades away)