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[birds chirping outside]
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[dial tone]
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[ringing]
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[man on phone VO] Hi!
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[girl on phone VO] Hey!
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[man VO, chuckling]
You sound so sweet!
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[girl VO] Thank you.
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[man VO] Are you
nervous about talking to me?
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[girl VO] Yeah.
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[man chuckles]
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[man VO] So, you
know we gotta...
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be, like...
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really careful
about doing this.
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[girl VO] Yeah.
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[man VO] Yeah?
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What are you thinkin'?
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[girl VO] What
are you thinkin'?
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[man, chuckling] I'm thinkin'
I wish I was there with you
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right now.
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[girl VO giggles]
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[man VO] If I
was, you'd be naked.
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[girl VO, giggling] Really?
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[man VO] Yeah!
[chuckles]
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Would you wanna be?
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[girl VO] I guess so.
[giggles]
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[man VO] Okay!
[chuckles]
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My precious little princess.
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[girl giggles]
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[girl VO] I like it
when you call me that.
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[man VO] I like
calling you that.
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[girl VO giggles,
man VO chuckles]
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[man VO] I've thought
about you all day.
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I have to go to Walmart
really quick, though.
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Get them things so I
don't get you pregnant.
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[girl VO] Okay.
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[man VO] And then,
I'm gonna be on my way.
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Did you finish
painting your toenails?
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[girl VO] Yup,
they're all nice and pink.
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- [giggles]
- [man VO] Okay. [chuckles]
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[girl VO] I gotta go!
I'll see ya in a few?
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[man VO] Why are you rushing?
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[girl VO] I don't know,
I'm kinda nervous. [giggles]
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[man VO] Well,
don't be nervous!
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I am a very lucky guy.
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[girl VO] You think so?
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[girl] Hey!
I'm glad you could come!
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[man] Hey, girl!
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[girl] How are you?
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[man] I'm good, how are you?
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[girl] Good!
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How was your drive?
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Uh...
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- terrible.
- [girl] Really?! How come?
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No, actually, it was all right.
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[girl] Oh?
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Well, look, we got
these new chairs.
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You have to sit down!
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Okay, I have to sit down?
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Yeah, look.
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- It's a massager chair.
- Oh my God, look at that!
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It vibrates when you
press the buttons.
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Oh my God...
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Yeah, flip the switches.
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Which one is it?
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Um, you can use
either one of them.
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It tells you...
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There's one for your butt,
there's one for your lower
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back, and there's one
for your upper back.
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I just felt my butt...
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I think...
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You can pretty much tell the
difference when you press
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- all of them.
- Holy--!
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- Yup, that's my butt.
- It feels so good, right?!
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[chuckles]
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I thought you had blonde hair!
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Do you like it?
I dyed it by myself.
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- I think it's pretty.
- Thank you!
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It's very pretty!
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I haven't had a kiss yet.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, then what
did you wanna do?
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Well, I want a kiss first.
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And then what?
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Can I have a kiss first?
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- Well, let's talk first!
- [chuckling] Okay!
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You just got here!
[giggles]
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Would you like me to go in
the truck and get my stuff?
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No, it's all right.
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No? You don't want
your thing right now?
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The present I gave ya?
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Well, what is it?
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Well, I can't tell you.
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That wouldn't be much of
a present if I told you.
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Well, you can go get it in
a little bit or something,
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- okay?
- Okay. [laughs]
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All right.
[giggles]
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Are you nervous?
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- A little bit.
- A little bit?
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Not as bad as what you
thought you would be?
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Not as bad, but I
still am kinda nervous.
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I'd rather, like,
talk a little bit first,
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and then, like-- so I'm
more comfortable, you know?
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That's, like, cool.
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Good.
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I'm really glad.
[chuckles]
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[laughs]
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I like seeing you in person.
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Yeah, I like seeing you too.
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Good.
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- So...
- This is getting hot. How come?
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Oh, because press
the red button.
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- It's a heater too.
- Oh.
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[giggles]
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You gonna have a seat too?
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I actually-- I like to
sit on the edge of chairs.
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- Do ya?
- Yeah.
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[Chris] You seem
pretty comfortable there.
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- How are you, sir?
- How are you?
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- All right, how are you doin'?
- What's happenin'?
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- Not too much.
- Not too much?
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You a Boston fan?
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Actually, I don't
even watch baseball.
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Oh.
But it's a Boston cap.
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- It's a Boston cap, yeah.
- Yeah.
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So, what are you up to tonight?
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Not a whole lot.
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- Not a whole lot?
- No.
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Well, I'll tell
ya, for the last...
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several days,
you've been up to a lot.
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You're a pretty
prolific chatter there.
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Wanna explain yourself?
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Not really, I never...
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really...
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was gonna do anything.
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You weren't really
going to do anything?
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No.
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So, you brought condoms...
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What else did you bring?
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- I brought her a bracelet.
- A bracelet.
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And her...
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And she is how old?
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- Supposed to be 13.
- Supposed to be 13.
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And how old are you?
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- 37.
- 37.
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What do you
think oughta happen?
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Oh, here's a good one.
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"Is Miss Vagina
thinking about Mister Penis?
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What is she thinking?"
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What's up with that?
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Do you ever watch
television much?
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You ever watch a program
called Dateline NBC?
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Well, there's
something I gotta tell ya:
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I'm Chris Hansen
with Dateline NBC,
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and we're doing a
story on [indistinct].
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God...
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Now, you're free to walk
out of this house right now,
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but if there's
anything else you wanna say,
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now would be
the time to say it.
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[man] Sheriff's office!
Down!
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Get down!
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[man] On the ground!
On the ground!
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Put your hands
behind your back!
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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[zip ties]
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♪pensive ethereal music♪
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[Chris VO on TV] Tonight,
a Dateline hidden camera
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investigation exposes a very
real threat to your children:
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online sexual predators.
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[Mark VO] When you watch
To Catch a Predator,
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you can see right away why a
show like it would take America
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by storm.
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[Chris VO on TV] ...and show
up at a home where they think a
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minor is alone.
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The problem, as you'll
see in our investigation,
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is epidemic.
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These kids range in age...
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[Mark VO] The show began when
NBC Dateline hired this online
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civilian group called
"Perverted Justice" to find
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online predators in chatrooms.
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[Chris VO on TV] Enter a group
called "Perverted Justice,"
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whose mission is to do what
it believes law enforcement
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doesn't always have
the resources to do:
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going after
internet predators.
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And they do it by
posing as kids online.
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[Mark VO] They have the
decoy, who opens the door --
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either a boy or a girl.
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These will have been
adults who happen to look
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much younger than they are.
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They will pretend to be the
child that wants to have sex,
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or something like that.
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I'm just gonna go
and get my hair ready.
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- I'll be right back.
- Take your time.
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- I'm excited, by the way.
- Me too.
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[Mark VO] And then, you have
Chris Hansen coming out...
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[Chris] So, you're excited too?
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[Mark VO] And ask them
what they're doing there --
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you know, what
they think they're doing.
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- [man] I'm sorry.
- Please have a seat.
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[man] I'm sorry.
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[Chris] What were
you doing here?
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[man sighs]
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[Mark VO] As an ethnographer, I
study why people behave the way
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they do.
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What first interested me
about To Catch a Predator
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is how it is
that grown men can
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be so vile when it comes to
what they assume are kids,
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and how it is that
we seem to enjoy
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watching these same men
being humiliated on TV.
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So how can I help you?
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Go ahead, have a seat.
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[Mark VO] In that moment...
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time stops.
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I suggest you sit down.
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[Mark VO] What you're seeing is
effectively someone else's life
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end.
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And they realize it.
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♪♪♪
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The goal of the show was to
educate people about the evils
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of the internet -- the
"stranger danger" folk.
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But it ended up
shocking an entire nation.
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Online, on the
street, at school,
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pedophiles seize every
opportunity to try and connect
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with your children, and one
reporter is doing what he can,
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and he's doing a lot to
expose these offenders.
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Dateline NBC's Chris Hansen!
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[cheers and applause]
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I don't understand why the
guys sit down and talk to you!
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- Well...
- [audience laughter]
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I don't know why they
don't just walk out the door!
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Why do they sit
down and talk to you?!
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Well, my theory is this: that
a large percentage of these
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- guys...
- [Oprah] Yeah.
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Have an addiction,
a compulsion,
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they wanna get caught...
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Explain to me; help
me to understand.
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I-- I can't!
Because there is no reason!
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Take me inside your
mind; what's goin' on?!
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Just bored.
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Why did you do it?
Help me to understand!
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I don't know!
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Well, why did you come here?
Help me to understand.
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Because I'm a
sick son of a bitch.
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[Chris VO] I'm not there
to beat these guys up.
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I'm wanna find out what's
going on in their mind --
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what led them to
walk in this door.
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You came over here planning
to have oral sex with a
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12-year-old girl.
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I just...
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I've had that fantasy
in the back of my head!
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Fantasy?
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- About being with a young girl?
- A young girl, yes.
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Well, what do you think
should happen to you?
255
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I don't know why you're
asking me stuff like this!
256
00:10:26,275 --> 00:10:27,620
I mean...
257
00:10:27,689 --> 00:10:29,137
Well, why do you think
I'm curious about all this?
258
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I could tell you're
a therapist! I know...
259
00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:32,551
- I mean--
- You think I'm a therapist?
260
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In many cases, they
stay and they talk to me!
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They tell me the whole story!
262
00:10:35,620 --> 00:10:37,344
Is there anything else you
want people to know about your
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00:10:37,413 --> 00:10:38,620
situation?
264
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My life is screwed.
I'm done.
265
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They may be in trouble,
266
00:10:41,482 --> 00:10:42,620
but maybe now,
they're gonna get help.
267
00:10:42,655 --> 00:10:44,206
This is probably
what I needed...
268
00:10:44,275 --> 00:10:45,172
to...
269
00:10:45,241 --> 00:10:46,620
straighten up.
270
00:10:46,655 --> 00:10:48,275
You've scared the
hell out of me.
271
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I need to see a psychiatrist
because of the way everything
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00:10:50,241 --> 00:10:51,724
is going in my life.
273
00:10:51,793 --> 00:10:53,827
Well, why don't
you go ahead and...
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I hope you get that help.
275
00:10:55,241 --> 00:10:56,758
[Chris VO] As he
gets up to leave,
276
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officers are in
position, ready to arrest him.
277
00:11:00,275 --> 00:11:01,896
[officer] Sheriff's office!
Hands up!
278
00:11:01,931 --> 00:11:03,275
Hands up!
279
00:11:03,310 --> 00:11:04,793
- Well, you're free to go.
- Well, you're free to go.
280
00:11:04,862 --> 00:11:06,103
You're free to
walk out that door.
281
00:11:06,172 --> 00:11:07,551
Thank you.
282
00:11:07,620 --> 00:11:09,758
[man] So, I can just walk out?
No problem?
283
00:11:09,793 --> 00:11:11,275
- [Chris] On your way.
- Thank you.
284
00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:13,586
It's nice to meet you.
[chuckles]
285
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And, obviously,
you're free to go.
286
00:11:14,931 --> 00:11:16,448
We can't keep you
here; you're free to go.
287
00:11:16,482 --> 00:11:18,275
You're free to leave,
obviously, if you wanna go.
288
00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:20,655
That's the wrong way, though.
289
00:11:20,827 --> 00:11:22,068
[officer] Get down!
Get down! Get down!
290
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Police! Stop!
291
00:11:23,413 --> 00:11:28,551
[commotion]
292
00:11:29,862 --> 00:11:31,689
[man] Please,
please, please, help me!
293
00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:32,862
Oh, dear God!
294
00:11:32,931 --> 00:11:35,137
[screams]
Dear God!
295
00:11:35,241 --> 00:11:38,551
[children laughing]
296
00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:49,275
[Dani VO] I don't think
I had any sort of idea
297
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how big the show was.
298
00:11:51,034 --> 00:11:52,551
To me, it was like,
299
00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:54,241
"A couple of random
people are gonna see this,
300
00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:57,206
but it's probably not
my big acting break."
301
00:11:57,275 --> 00:12:00,758
Little did I know that it
was going to live on...
302
00:12:00,827 --> 00:12:02,793
probably my whole
entire life 'til I die.
303
00:12:02,827 --> 00:12:05,275
I will probably
always, in some universe,
304
00:12:05,379 --> 00:12:07,068
be known as "the decoy."
305
00:12:07,137 --> 00:12:08,724
[laughs]
306
00:12:08,793 --> 00:12:10,931
Should we talk to random
strangers online that we
307
00:12:10,965 --> 00:12:12,275
don't know?
308
00:12:12,310 --> 00:12:15,103
I talk to some
but they're nice.
309
00:12:15,137 --> 00:12:16,344
What?
310
00:12:16,413 --> 00:12:19,758
I talk to random
strangers that I don't know.
311
00:12:19,862 --> 00:12:21,448
But they're super nice.
312
00:12:21,482 --> 00:12:23,965
See, that's not a good plan,
because they can be-- they can
313
00:12:24,068 --> 00:12:26,344
look like they're super nice,
but they're not always
314
00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:28,137
super nice.
315
00:12:28,206 --> 00:12:30,241
[Dani] Older guys are better!
316
00:12:30,862 --> 00:12:32,551
Better at a lot of things!
317
00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:36,275
I'm more mature; I
don't need people my age.
318
00:12:36,862 --> 00:12:38,896
Fine, if--
honestly, this is stupid.
319
00:12:38,931 --> 00:12:40,931
If you don't want
to, then, seriously,
320
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,965
let's just get off the phone.
321
00:12:44,103 --> 00:12:45,172
Two minutes?
322
00:12:45,241 --> 00:12:46,862
All right,
awesome, see you then!
323
00:12:46,931 --> 00:12:47,931
[man] She just got
off the phone with him.
324
00:12:48,034 --> 00:12:49,103
Sending the decoy out.
325
00:12:49,137 --> 00:12:50,931
[woman] There he is.
Go out!
326
00:12:50,965 --> 00:12:53,758
[Dani VO] I had to look at it
as "This is an acting job..."
327
00:12:53,862 --> 00:12:55,620
[Dani] Are you coming?!
Come on!
328
00:12:55,689 --> 00:12:58,103
[Dani VO] "But it's one that
really heavily relies on me
329
00:12:58,206 --> 00:12:59,758
doing my job correctly."
330
00:12:59,793 --> 00:13:00,965
Have a seat. Will you
pour me a drink, please?
331
00:13:01,068 --> 00:13:02,241
- Oh, yeah, sure!
- [Dani] Awesome!
332
00:13:02,275 --> 00:13:03,896
I'm just gonna go
get my bikini now...
333
00:13:03,931 --> 00:13:05,448
Okay.
334
00:13:05,482 --> 00:13:06,620
[Dani VO] The improv
part was super important,
335
00:13:06,724 --> 00:13:08,620
and my biggest goal was always
336
00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:10,068
get them to
expose themselves --
337
00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:12,793
like, get Chris Hansen
his best interview.
338
00:13:12,896 --> 00:13:14,137
[Dani] Why are you paranoid?!
339
00:13:14,241 --> 00:13:16,517
Just picture me
naked and come on in!
340
00:13:16,586 --> 00:13:18,000
I swear...
341
00:13:18,068 --> 00:13:21,896
[David Osit] Why do you think
the show was so popular?
342
00:13:21,965 --> 00:13:25,482
I think it brought a lot
of awareness to parents.
343
00:13:25,586 --> 00:13:28,275
Like, I think that you get
sucked in because you're like,
344
00:13:28,379 --> 00:13:29,965
"This is a problem."
345
00:13:30,068 --> 00:13:34,931
And, also, I don't think people
realized TV could be like this
346
00:13:35,068 --> 00:13:37,586
'til To Catch a Predator came
along and actually put it in
347
00:13:37,655 --> 00:13:39,793
people's faces that,
like, this is real life,
348
00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:43,034
it's not just,
you know, fiction.
349
00:13:45,103 --> 00:13:47,137
[Casey VO] My uncle is a
realtor and was helping rent
350
00:13:47,206 --> 00:13:50,827
out my nana's house to NBC, and
so my dad went down helping
351
00:13:50,931 --> 00:13:53,827
handle all the paperwork, and
they were explaining the show,
352
00:13:53,931 --> 00:13:57,758
and that they hire an actress
from LA to fly in and play
353
00:13:57,793 --> 00:14:00,620
an underage
girl, and he's like,
354
00:14:00,689 --> 00:14:02,241
"My daughter is an actress,
355
00:14:02,310 --> 00:14:04,758
and she looks
incredibly young for 18!"
356
00:14:04,827 --> 00:14:08,000
This is actually the shot...
[chuckles]
357
00:14:08,068 --> 00:14:10,103
that gave me...
358
00:14:10,137 --> 00:14:12,000
the job.
359
00:14:12,793 --> 00:14:15,655
It was definitely
the dance belt.
360
00:14:15,793 --> 00:14:19,344
That definitely says
"12-year-old girl," right?
361
00:14:19,448 --> 00:14:20,758
[David]
Do you think it's weird
362
00:14:20,827 --> 00:14:22,344
that your dad
volunteered you for that?
363
00:14:22,413 --> 00:14:23,724
[chuckles]
364
00:14:23,793 --> 00:14:25,862
He had no idea what he
was getting himself into.
365
00:14:25,931 --> 00:14:27,068
More so himself than me.
366
00:14:27,137 --> 00:14:28,965
I was fine!
367
00:14:29,413 --> 00:14:33,620
My job was truly...
368
00:14:33,724 --> 00:14:34,931
"Be a face," right?
369
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,793
That's what they
explained to me!
370
00:14:36,827 --> 00:14:38,793
[man in earpiece]
Casey, can you hear me?
371
00:14:38,862 --> 00:14:41,586
Go ahead and, uh,
open the door for him.
372
00:14:41,689 --> 00:14:42,862
[Casey] Hey, come on in!
373
00:14:42,931 --> 00:14:44,965
[man] On the steps,
opening the door.
374
00:14:45,068 --> 00:14:47,896
- He's in the kitchen, call out!
- [Casey] Hey, I'm in here!
375
00:14:47,965 --> 00:14:49,103
[Casey VO] The
security guard told me,
376
00:14:49,172 --> 00:14:52,482
he was like, "You
are God to them.
377
00:14:52,586 --> 00:14:55,793
That's why it's so powerful
you-- when you say 'Sit' and
378
00:14:55,862 --> 00:14:58,931
point your
finger, they will sit."
379
00:14:59,068 --> 00:15:00,793
And I was like, "Oh!
380
00:15:00,862 --> 00:15:02,862
I have the upper hand here."
381
00:15:02,931 --> 00:15:04,896
Oh my God!
382
00:15:06,103 --> 00:15:07,586
[Dan VO] I wanted a paycheck.
383
00:15:07,689 --> 00:15:09,862
"Sure, yup, sign me up."
384
00:15:09,931 --> 00:15:11,310
I look young.
385
00:15:11,379 --> 00:15:13,896
And I think that was the...
386
00:15:13,965 --> 00:15:14,793
"Okay!
387
00:15:14,896 --> 00:15:16,586
Perfect, that's what we need."
388
00:15:16,689 --> 00:15:18,758
I don't think it was...
389
00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:22,862
I don't think they really
expected much of me as
390
00:15:22,931 --> 00:15:23,689
an actor.
391
00:15:23,758 --> 00:15:25,896
How ya doin', Stanley?
392
00:15:25,965 --> 00:15:27,206
Doin' good?
393
00:15:27,275 --> 00:15:28,758
Tough drive?
394
00:15:28,793 --> 00:15:30,448
But it was a
little nerve-wracking.
395
00:15:30,551 --> 00:15:34,310
It was nerve-wracking, um,
having to answer the door,
396
00:15:34,379 --> 00:15:36,103
- um...
- [Dan] Ya thirsty?
397
00:15:36,137 --> 00:15:37,793
No?
Can I pour one for myself?
398
00:15:37,862 --> 00:15:39,793
Make them-- welcome them in...
399
00:15:39,827 --> 00:15:41,931
So, what do ya think
we should start with?
400
00:15:42,034 --> 00:15:43,896
What are you thinking?
401
00:15:43,965 --> 00:15:46,758
I think a lot of it,
though, too, was...
402
00:15:46,793 --> 00:15:49,862
[Chris] What is the, uh,
lesson plan for tonight?
403
00:15:49,931 --> 00:15:52,655
"Don't blow the cover.
404
00:15:52,758 --> 00:15:56,551
- You've got a ton of people here
- - who've been working hard now
405
00:15:56,620 --> 00:16:00,172
for X amount of days --
that you'd let down."
406
00:16:00,241 --> 00:16:01,965
[phone ringing]
407
00:16:02,068 --> 00:16:05,896
It was kind of like a
cool gang that you're in,
408
00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:10,241
making sure these bad
guys don't hurt any kids.
409
00:16:13,448 --> 00:16:15,862
Seems like an okay club!
410
00:16:15,931 --> 00:16:18,068
You know?
411
00:16:21,034 --> 00:16:26,206
♪pensive ethereal music♪
412
00:17:00,862 --> 00:17:02,827
[Dani VO] I definitely see
413
00:17:02,896 --> 00:17:06,344
that not all of these
people could recognize reality
414
00:17:06,413 --> 00:17:08,655
versus fantasy.
415
00:17:08,724 --> 00:17:12,758
♪♪♪
416
00:17:12,793 --> 00:17:16,896
Some of them were
so far in mentally,
417
00:17:16,965 --> 00:17:20,172
that they couldn't
differentiate the two.
418
00:17:20,241 --> 00:17:25,344
♪♪♪
419
00:17:27,793 --> 00:17:30,724
[Casey VO] They know what
they're doing to a degree,
420
00:17:30,793 --> 00:17:33,827
but it comes from this
place of non-acceptance,
421
00:17:33,896 --> 00:17:36,758
loneliness, and fear.
422
00:17:37,068 --> 00:17:39,827
And so, by sitting
safe on their computer,
423
00:17:39,896 --> 00:17:41,862
at their home,
424
00:17:42,689 --> 00:17:46,344
they found this easy in.
425
00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:51,137
I gave them that full
permission to disobey any
426
00:17:51,206 --> 00:17:55,517
thought that maybe
this isn't okay.
427
00:17:57,620 --> 00:17:58,896
You didn't think I was real?
[giggles]
428
00:17:58,965 --> 00:18:00,724
Well, that can be
anybody in that thing.
429
00:18:00,793 --> 00:18:01,896
Yeah.
430
00:18:01,965 --> 00:18:04,620
No, I'm real.
431
00:18:04,896 --> 00:18:08,103
[Mark VO] The men would write
themselves a pornographic film,
432
00:18:08,172 --> 00:18:11,068
which showed up in a chat log.
433
00:18:12,689 --> 00:18:14,965
And they wanted to follow
through on this fantasy they
434
00:18:15,034 --> 00:18:17,827
co-created with the show,
435
00:18:17,931 --> 00:18:21,793
where kids are hyper-sexualized
and sexually available.
436
00:18:21,862 --> 00:18:23,862
Yeah, I'm pretty excited.
Are you excited?
437
00:18:23,931 --> 00:18:25,551
Yeah!
438
00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:26,620
[Mark VO] And where that is
actually okay at some level.
439
00:18:26,724 --> 00:18:28,413
What do you wanna do?
440
00:18:28,448 --> 00:18:30,793
[Mark VO] This was the era of
Britney Spears and young girls
441
00:18:30,827 --> 00:18:33,689
all the time on TV
as sexual objects.
442
00:18:33,758 --> 00:18:35,310
[Chris VO] Finally
agrees and he says,
443
00:18:35,413 --> 00:18:36,758
"Nice tummy, hun.
444
00:18:36,862 --> 00:18:39,241
I want to lick that."
445
00:18:39,655 --> 00:18:40,931
[Dani on TV] Why
are you paranoid?!
446
00:18:40,965 --> 00:18:43,034
Just picture me
naked and come on in!
447
00:18:43,103 --> 00:18:45,448
[Chris on TV] I'm
Chris Hansen with Dateline.
448
00:18:45,517 --> 00:18:48,620
[Mark VO] Talking to kids
or pretend kids -- decoys --
449
00:18:48,689 --> 00:18:52,310
online is already a crime.
450
00:18:52,379 --> 00:18:55,758
So, the show's only job...
451
00:18:55,827 --> 00:18:58,413
is to get the men to the house,
452
00:18:58,448 --> 00:19:03,724
just to sell that fantasy for
a few more minutes in person.
453
00:19:03,862 --> 00:19:06,068
The parents aren't home.
454
00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:08,034
The boy or girl is eager.
455
00:19:08,103 --> 00:19:09,931
[Casey] Come on in!
456
00:19:10,103 --> 00:19:11,655
[Dani] Come in!
457
00:19:11,758 --> 00:19:12,793
[Mark VO] And so, when
the men do get the courage,
458
00:19:12,896 --> 00:19:14,689
eventually, to show up...
459
00:19:14,758 --> 00:19:16,241
Oh my God...
460
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:20,000
[Mark VO] It's even
better than their dreams.
461
00:19:21,275 --> 00:19:24,862
Because the show
made it that way.
462
00:19:28,275 --> 00:19:31,068
[man on TV] Okay,
out of the vehicle.
463
00:19:31,724 --> 00:19:32,896
[Casey on TV] Hey!
464
00:19:32,965 --> 00:19:34,275
Come on in!
465
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:35,586
[Chris VO on TV] Walking
into our undercover house is
466
00:19:35,689 --> 00:19:37,862
39-year-old John Elliot.
467
00:19:37,931 --> 00:19:41,000
We've hired this
19-year-old actress, Casey,
468
00:19:41,068 --> 00:19:42,517
to be our decoy.
469
00:19:42,586 --> 00:19:45,241
Using a screen name so
disturbing we can't broadcast
470
00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:48,068
it, he tells the decoy
about his fantasy...
471
00:19:48,137 --> 00:19:49,137
Oh!
472
00:19:49,241 --> 00:19:50,482
[Chris on TV] Of
being with a young girl.
473
00:19:50,586 --> 00:19:51,862
- "You were asking me about..."
- Yeah.
474
00:19:51,931 --> 00:19:52,655
[Chris on TV] "What
I was daydreaming about.
475
00:19:52,724 --> 00:19:53,758
Well, that's it.
476
00:19:53,827 --> 00:19:55,793
You nude, and me licking you.
477
00:19:55,896 --> 00:19:57,275
Gosh, you're pretty!"
478
00:19:57,379 --> 00:19:58,758
[Casey on TV] Thank you!
479
00:19:58,827 --> 00:20:00,931
So, what are your plans
or what are you thinking?
480
00:20:00,965 --> 00:20:02,862
Kissing you.
481
00:20:02,931 --> 00:20:05,724
- Yeah?
- [laughs]
482
00:20:05,793 --> 00:20:08,275
You know, how we was
talking on the internet.
483
00:20:08,344 --> 00:20:10,586
[Casey VO] There were a few...
484
00:20:10,655 --> 00:20:12,931
I wanted to just
be like, "Go home."
485
00:20:12,965 --> 00:20:16,724
I'm a freshman in college, I'm
trying to figure out my life,
486
00:20:16,793 --> 00:20:18,896
and one of the guys
that came, we were, like,
487
00:20:18,965 --> 00:20:20,655
pretty similar.
488
00:20:20,724 --> 00:20:23,241
And I'm just talking to some
guy on the beach about, like,
489
00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:24,724
"College is rough!"
and, you know,
490
00:20:24,793 --> 00:20:26,793
"Do I want this major?
Do I not?"
491
00:20:26,896 --> 00:20:28,724
And it was very relatable.
492
00:20:28,793 --> 00:20:30,241
And so badly, I just
wanted to be like,
493
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:33,137
"Go home. Go home!
Go home."
494
00:20:33,206 --> 00:20:36,344
I just didn't-- I've just been
worried that it's all some...
495
00:20:36,413 --> 00:20:38,034
just some crazy...
496
00:20:38,103 --> 00:20:39,000
scheme.
497
00:20:39,068 --> 00:20:40,206
What do you mean?
498
00:20:40,275 --> 00:20:41,793
They pay for,
like, cops to, like,
499
00:20:41,827 --> 00:20:43,551
pretend they're, like,
girls and [bleep] like that.
500
00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:45,034
- [chuckling] Are you serious?!
- [man] Yeah!
501
00:20:45,103 --> 00:20:46,344
So, I mean, I usually
don't worry about it...
502
00:20:46,413 --> 00:20:47,448
[Casey laughs]
503
00:20:47,482 --> 00:20:48,827
But it was just,
like, so awkward,
504
00:20:48,896 --> 00:20:50,137
- I don't-- I don't know...
- [Casey laughs]
505
00:20:50,241 --> 00:20:51,413
[John] But I guess
everything's cool.
506
00:20:51,448 --> 00:20:52,896
I mean, I just-- I
don't know, so...
507
00:20:52,965 --> 00:20:54,827
[Chris VO] But as
he's about to find out,
508
00:20:54,896 --> 00:20:56,896
everything isn't cool.
509
00:20:56,965 --> 00:20:58,586
- [Chris] How it goin'?
- Pretty good, how you doin'?
510
00:20:58,655 --> 00:20:59,931
[Chris] Good!
How are you?
511
00:21:00,034 --> 00:21:02,413
- I'm all right.
- [Chris] What's happenin'?
512
00:21:02,931 --> 00:21:05,000
You wanna be a
television reporter.
513
00:21:05,068 --> 00:21:06,413
[John on TV] Yes.
514
00:21:06,448 --> 00:21:07,310
[Chris on TV] Have you
ever been on TV before?
515
00:21:07,379 --> 00:21:09,034
[John on TV] No.
516
00:21:09,103 --> 00:21:10,655
[Chris on TV] Well, this is one
of those "good news, bad news"
517
00:21:10,724 --> 00:21:12,689
situations, John.
518
00:21:12,862 --> 00:21:16,068
I'm Chris Hansen
with Dateline NBC,
519
00:21:16,137 --> 00:21:19,034
and we're doing To
Catch a Predator...
520
00:21:19,103 --> 00:21:22,137
[John on TV] Please tell
me you're not! Please!
521
00:21:22,241 --> 00:21:24,862
I do not wanna be ruined for
my-- I wanted to go to college
522
00:21:24,931 --> 00:21:26,068
and everything!
523
00:21:26,103 --> 00:21:27,793
I wanna go for
sports broadcasting!
524
00:21:27,896 --> 00:21:30,206
[Casey VO] I didn't realize
it at the time how taxing
525
00:21:30,275 --> 00:21:31,965
it was...
526
00:21:32,034 --> 00:21:33,827
emotionally and mentally.
527
00:21:33,931 --> 00:21:35,793
Years later, I'm still
emotionally exhausted.
528
00:21:35,862 --> 00:21:39,034
Like, I have never, like,
watched this post it airing
529
00:21:39,103 --> 00:21:41,068
originally.
530
00:21:41,896 --> 00:21:45,103
Like, over the years, I've had
my ways of being able to, like,
531
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:47,241
work through it, right?
But...
532
00:21:47,275 --> 00:21:50,206
that's a lot for
someone to take in!
533
00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:52,206
Yeah.
534
00:21:53,827 --> 00:21:55,310
[production crew]
Greg, you stand there...
535
00:21:55,413 --> 00:21:58,896
[indistinct chatter]
536
00:22:03,137 --> 00:22:05,413
[David] Before you started
working with Dateline,
537
00:22:05,482 --> 00:22:08,620
what did you think
of the show?
538
00:22:08,689 --> 00:22:11,758
Not-- I hadn't really seen it.
539
00:22:11,827 --> 00:22:16,034
The, uh-- my staff
brought me a proposal
540
00:22:16,103 --> 00:22:17,413
about...
541
00:22:17,482 --> 00:22:20,758
child predators and some
sort of a sting operation.
542
00:22:20,827 --> 00:22:22,758
That's when we
partnered with them,
543
00:22:22,862 --> 00:22:24,448
and we did three stings.
544
00:22:24,517 --> 00:22:26,724
[Chris VO] Kentucky Attorney
General Greg Stumbo worked with
545
00:22:26,793 --> 00:22:29,586
Dateline in Northern
Kentucky last spring.
546
00:22:29,689 --> 00:22:30,827
Thanks for helping us.
547
00:22:30,896 --> 00:22:32,620
To us, it was
just a natural fit.
548
00:22:32,724 --> 00:22:36,137
Law enforcement is not equipped
to conduct these types of
549
00:22:36,206 --> 00:22:37,689
operations at this point.
550
00:22:37,758 --> 00:22:40,310
[Greg VO] So the stings
went off without a hitch,
551
00:22:40,413 --> 00:22:42,482
the prosecutions all went well,
552
00:22:42,551 --> 00:22:46,000
so I got a lot of "Atta boys"
at home, you know, for being...
553
00:22:46,068 --> 00:22:49,620
for doing this and
getting on national television.
554
00:22:49,724 --> 00:22:52,586
But the point of it is
555
00:22:52,689 --> 00:22:55,448
it needs to be addressed.
556
00:22:55,551 --> 00:22:57,896
These people are out
there and they're dangerous,
557
00:22:57,965 --> 00:23:00,758
but none of them had
criminal backgrounds,
558
00:23:00,827 --> 00:23:03,172
so they'd never
been arrested before.
559
00:23:03,241 --> 00:23:05,793
Unless we did
something of this nature,
560
00:23:05,896 --> 00:23:07,931
they would have never been
brought to the forefront
561
00:23:08,034 --> 00:23:11,517
because we had no idea
who these people were!
562
00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:15,068
[David]
As a prosecutor,
563
00:23:15,137 --> 00:23:16,793
aside from arresting
these men,
564
00:23:16,862 --> 00:23:18,103
did you ever wonder
to yourself,
565
00:23:18,137 --> 00:23:21,241
"Okay, we can put
these men in jail, sure.
566
00:23:21,724 --> 00:23:24,965
But how can we fix
the problem?
567
00:23:25,068 --> 00:23:27,655
How can we rehabilitate
these men?
568
00:23:27,724 --> 00:23:30,758
How can we stop this
from happening? How can we--"
569
00:23:30,793 --> 00:23:32,793
My job's not to
rehabilitate 'em,
570
00:23:32,862 --> 00:23:36,172
my job's to make 'em be
responsible for the act
571
00:23:36,275 --> 00:23:37,724
that they committed.
572
00:23:37,793 --> 00:23:40,206
These are criminals --
these are hardened criminals --
573
00:23:40,275 --> 00:23:41,931
that engaged...
574
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,241
in this particular type
of predatory conduct,
575
00:23:47,827 --> 00:23:49,310
intentionally,
576
00:23:49,413 --> 00:23:51,862
with malice aforethought,
577
00:23:51,965 --> 00:23:54,655
you know, with all the criminal
intent that you can think of in
578
00:23:54,724 --> 00:23:56,655
the world to harm that child.
579
00:23:56,758 --> 00:24:00,931
And I have-- I have absolutely
no compassion for 'em.
580
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,758
I mean, um...
581
00:24:02,827 --> 00:24:04,689
somebody asked me one time
what I thought about the death
582
00:24:04,793 --> 00:24:06,896
penalty, and I said, "Well, I'd
shoot the son of a bitch myself
583
00:24:06,965 --> 00:24:08,758
if they'd let me."
584
00:24:08,827 --> 00:24:09,931
And...
585
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,793
But those are the
type of people that...
586
00:24:13,241 --> 00:24:15,206
They're just dangerous.
587
00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:17,103
I mean, they're just dangerous,
but we know they're out there,
588
00:24:17,172 --> 00:24:20,068
and they're
dangerous for our children.
589
00:24:21,551 --> 00:24:23,068
[David]
So what would you say
590
00:24:23,137 --> 00:24:24,896
to someone who's critical
of the show?
591
00:24:24,965 --> 00:24:27,931
You don't understand the
problem if you're critical.
592
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,275
Mister Chairman, I'm glad
to see Mister Chris Hansen
593
00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:31,827
here today.
594
00:24:31,862 --> 00:24:33,965
His Dateline NBC series of on
child predators has wakened
595
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,931
America to the dangers
our children face...
596
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,965
[Greg VO] The more light
we shed upon this topic,
597
00:24:39,034 --> 00:24:42,034
it's gonna have a chilling
effect on these crimes.
598
00:24:42,137 --> 00:24:45,793
Nearly 130 men have surfaced
in our five investigations.
599
00:24:45,862 --> 00:24:47,965
98 of them have been
charged criminally.
600
00:24:48,068 --> 00:24:49,586
Seven have pleaded guilty.
601
00:24:49,655 --> 00:24:51,655
[Greg VO] Most people
didn't have any problem
602
00:24:51,758 --> 00:24:53,137
with what we did.
603
00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:54,724
Our next guest is the host
of the funniest comedy on
604
00:24:54,793 --> 00:24:55,862
television.
605
00:24:55,931 --> 00:24:57,517
It's called
To Catch a Predator.
606
00:24:57,620 --> 00:25:00,103
If you haven't seen it, it's
like Punk'd for pedophiles.
607
00:25:00,172 --> 00:25:01,620
- It's a great show.
- [audience laughter]
608
00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:03,310
And you can watch it this
Wednesday night on NBC.
609
00:25:03,379 --> 00:25:06,241
Please say hello
to Chris Hansen!
610
00:25:06,793 --> 00:25:09,241
And people respond
to it, obviously.
611
00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:11,034
[Jimmy VO] When did you
realize this is gold?
612
00:25:11,103 --> 00:25:12,793
- [audience laughter]
- [Chris VO] Well...
613
00:25:12,827 --> 00:25:15,172
after the second one, I
figured, "You know...
614
00:25:15,241 --> 00:25:16,413
this is really compelling."
615
00:25:16,482 --> 00:25:17,931
[Jimmy] Uh-huh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, it is.
616
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,103
It's very compelling.
617
00:25:19,137 --> 00:25:20,827
[girl] Have a cookie!
I made them!
618
00:25:20,896 --> 00:25:22,758
You wanna explain yourself?
619
00:25:22,827 --> 00:25:25,931
[audience
laughter and applause]
620
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,827
Wrap it around yourself.
621
00:25:27,931 --> 00:25:30,172
And please sit on that stool.
622
00:25:30,275 --> 00:25:31,689
What are you doing?!
623
00:25:31,793 --> 00:25:34,000
Whose idea was it to tell
the guy to get naked before he
624
00:25:34,068 --> 00:25:35,206
came in?
625
00:25:35,275 --> 00:25:36,862
Well, occasionally, they
decoys will get a little
626
00:25:36,965 --> 00:25:38,793
- playful in the chat.
- I don't-- I don't wanna, um...
627
00:25:38,896 --> 00:25:40,862
be on the news.
You feel me?
628
00:25:40,931 --> 00:25:42,241
[Chris] We are filming.
629
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:43,655
[man] I don't wanna
be on the news, dawg.
630
00:25:43,724 --> 00:25:45,724
Well, it's a little
late for that, dawg.
631
00:25:45,793 --> 00:25:47,310
[Chris VO] It's news
gathering, you know,
632
00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:48,758
so we don't need to get, uh...
633
00:25:48,793 --> 00:25:50,172
- [Oprah] Permission.
- Permission.
634
00:25:50,275 --> 00:25:51,620
- I mean, it's for a news show.
- [Oprah] I know!
635
00:25:51,655 --> 00:25:53,103
And we're taping
what really happens.
636
00:25:53,172 --> 00:25:54,793
I know!
I-- Could you see that guy...
637
00:25:54,862 --> 00:25:56,310
You know, listen: amazing work.
638
00:25:56,344 --> 00:25:58,000
[officer] Police!
Raise your hands!
639
00:25:58,068 --> 00:25:59,965
[Jon VO] You might think, "Boy,
is that gotcha journalism?"
640
00:26:00,068 --> 00:26:01,655
or "Is that exploitative?"
641
00:26:01,758 --> 00:26:04,758
I think anybody that's having
sex with children or trying to,
642
00:26:04,827 --> 00:26:06,758
you guys should do this show
ev-- you should have your own
643
00:26:06,793 --> 00:26:08,931
- channel of this show.
- [laughter]
644
00:26:08,965 --> 00:26:10,379
You thought I was
a police officer?
645
00:26:10,448 --> 00:26:12,793
Yeah, I have no idea
who you are. [chuckles]
646
00:26:12,896 --> 00:26:13,896
Okay, well you do now.
647
00:26:13,965 --> 00:26:15,275
- Hello, Homer.
- Ah!
648
00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:17,620
I'm Chris Hansen
with Dateline NBC.
649
00:26:17,655 --> 00:26:19,931
I'm Chris Hansen
with Dateline NBC.
650
00:26:19,965 --> 00:26:21,275
Oh my God!
651
00:26:21,344 --> 00:26:22,793
[Chris] Most
recently, as of, you know,
652
00:26:22,827 --> 00:26:24,758
this Spring when we
were shooting in Florida,
653
00:26:24,793 --> 00:26:26,758
you know, guys
were coming in and,
654
00:26:26,827 --> 00:26:28,275
before I could say, you
know, "I'm Chris Hansen,
655
00:26:28,344 --> 00:26:30,379
Dateline NBC," they
were saying "I know,
656
00:26:30,448 --> 00:26:31,931
I know, I know."
657
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,758
[congresswoman] It's
almost like Candid Camera,
658
00:26:33,827 --> 00:26:35,172
only with...
659
00:26:35,241 --> 00:26:38,620
criminals [chuckles] that
get arrested and go to jail.
660
00:26:38,724 --> 00:26:41,172
It's-- it's unbelievable.
661
00:26:42,137 --> 00:26:45,206
[officer] Just come on over here
and face this wall for me.
662
00:26:46,827 --> 00:26:50,034
You gotta anything on
you I need to know about?
663
00:26:50,103 --> 00:26:51,344
Anything sharp?
664
00:26:51,413 --> 00:26:52,758
Any needles or...
665
00:26:52,827 --> 00:26:54,103
[man] The only thing I
had was a pocketknife,
666
00:26:54,137 --> 00:26:56,793
but I think they put that
in the bag.
667
00:26:56,862 --> 00:26:58,827
Are you a counselor too?
Or...
668
00:26:58,896 --> 00:27:00,241
[officer] No, I'm--
I'm an agent.
669
00:27:00,310 --> 00:27:03,275
I'm with the Kentucky
Bureau of Investigation.
670
00:27:03,344 --> 00:27:04,965
Oh, okay, I just
thought maybe you was a...
671
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,965
Okay.
672
00:27:06,068 --> 00:27:08,655
[officer] So, you
are under arrest.
673
00:27:08,758 --> 00:27:09,896
You understand that?
674
00:27:09,965 --> 00:27:11,896
Oh yeah, definitely.
675
00:27:11,965 --> 00:27:13,586
[chuckles]
Yeah.
676
00:27:13,655 --> 00:27:16,724
[David] So this is--
this is raw footage
677
00:27:16,793 --> 00:27:17,655
from the show,
678
00:27:17,758 --> 00:27:19,517
from the interrogation rooms
679
00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:22,827
after Chris
would do the arrests.
680
00:27:22,931 --> 00:27:24,793
Okay.
Was this never aired?
681
00:27:24,827 --> 00:27:29,379
Some did but not
in raw form like this.
682
00:27:29,448 --> 00:27:30,931
Okay.
683
00:27:30,965 --> 00:27:33,931
But this is
what I find interesting.
684
00:27:35,275 --> 00:27:37,758
For me,
watching the raw footage
685
00:27:37,827 --> 00:27:40,137
gives me
a very different feeling
686
00:27:40,241 --> 00:27:42,413
than the broadcasted
episodes.
687
00:27:45,655 --> 00:27:47,000
[man] Can I talk
to you off camera?
688
00:27:47,068 --> 00:27:48,310
I can't do that, I'm sorry.
689
00:27:48,379 --> 00:27:50,793
Do you guys have
any help for me?
690
00:27:50,862 --> 00:27:54,206
There-- there are a
number of ways to get help,
691
00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,655
and we're gonna get
into that in the story.
692
00:27:56,758 --> 00:27:58,137
My insurance covers therapy,
693
00:27:58,172 --> 00:27:59,827
and that's
obviously what I need,
694
00:27:59,862 --> 00:28:03,724
for obviously more than this
issue but a number of things.
695
00:28:03,793 --> 00:28:05,724
If I...
696
00:28:06,034 --> 00:28:08,034
Even if it was
something you... [sighs]
697
00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:09,379
I just don't...
698
00:28:09,448 --> 00:28:12,241
I don't want this to
ruin the rest of my life.
699
00:28:18,137 --> 00:28:20,241
I'm sorry, Mr. Hansen.
I'm sorry, all you guys.
700
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:21,620
I'm sorry...
701
00:28:21,689 --> 00:28:24,551
if this does end up
on air, I'm sorry.
702
00:28:28,103 --> 00:28:30,758
[Mark VO] To show
these men as human beings,
703
00:28:30,827 --> 00:28:33,275
this show kind of...
breaks down.
704
00:28:36,862 --> 00:28:40,103
And maybe that's why it
didn't make it on TV.
705
00:28:40,655 --> 00:28:44,103
Yes, he's maybe done
and said awful things...
706
00:28:44,689 --> 00:28:47,689
but it shows some
humanity that's...
707
00:28:47,758 --> 00:28:50,206
hard to ignore.
708
00:28:53,241 --> 00:28:55,896
[woman on TV] John W. Elliot.
709
00:28:56,034 --> 00:28:58,310
A lot of Elliots
where I grew up.
710
00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,931
[John on TV]
Where'd you grow up?
711
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,137
[officer on TV] I grew
up in Bell County.
712
00:29:01,241 --> 00:29:02,931
You know where that is?
713
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,758
[John on TV] I'm sorry,
I don't. [laughs]
714
00:29:04,827 --> 00:29:06,793
[officer on TV] You don't even
know where Bell County is?!
715
00:29:06,827 --> 00:29:08,310
I thought
everybody knew where...
716
00:29:08,344 --> 00:29:11,206
It's where the
Cumberland Gap is.
717
00:29:12,862 --> 00:29:14,172
[John on TV] It sounds pretty.
718
00:29:14,241 --> 00:29:16,310
[officer] It is; it's nice.
719
00:29:16,379 --> 00:29:18,827
Maybe you can go
there some time.
720
00:29:18,896 --> 00:29:21,827
Got a PGA Tour golf course...
721
00:29:21,896 --> 00:29:23,241
- Sorry.
- [officer] You all right?
722
00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:24,758
Yup.
723
00:29:24,793 --> 00:29:27,310
[officer] You've
been through a lot.
724
00:29:27,862 --> 00:29:30,172
[John] I don't-- I don't
deserve any remorse.
725
00:29:30,241 --> 00:29:32,344
I don't, mm-mm.
[sniffles]
726
00:29:32,413 --> 00:29:35,034
[officer] You know what, John?
727
00:29:36,034 --> 00:29:39,034
You're gonna live through this.
728
00:29:41,758 --> 00:29:44,034
[John] No, I'm not.
729
00:29:47,793 --> 00:29:48,931
[voice breaking] I don't
like it when anybody sees me
730
00:29:48,965 --> 00:29:50,724
like this.
731
00:29:50,793 --> 00:29:52,000
[sniffles]
732
00:29:52,103 --> 00:29:54,689
I'm just embarrassed.
733
00:29:55,103 --> 00:29:59,241
[Greg VO] This is not typical
of a criminal interrogation.
734
00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:02,517
This individual, you
know, if he serves his time,
735
00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:05,862
if he goes through some sort
of rehabilitative process,
736
00:30:05,965 --> 00:30:08,862
maybe he won't do it again,
maybe he can come back and--
737
00:30:08,931 --> 00:30:10,310
and become a...
738
00:30:10,379 --> 00:30:12,965
a productive member of society.
739
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,931
Uh...
740
00:30:16,344 --> 00:30:20,103
But he needs to be
punished for his crime.
741
00:30:27,241 --> 00:30:32,413
♪pensive ethereal music♪
742
00:30:46,206 --> 00:30:48,862
[Dan VO] You could offer me...
743
00:30:48,931 --> 00:30:51,137
$10 million...
744
00:30:51,689 --> 00:30:55,551
to film that
episode in Texas again.
745
00:30:59,413 --> 00:31:01,034
And I wouldn't take it.
746
00:31:01,137 --> 00:31:05,068
I wouldn't-- I would not
take it and be happy about that
747
00:31:05,137 --> 00:31:07,206
decision.
748
00:31:08,793 --> 00:31:10,068
[dial tone]
749
00:31:10,137 --> 00:31:15,241
[ringing]
750
00:31:22,413 --> 00:31:23,413
[Will VO on phone] Hello?
751
00:31:23,482 --> 00:31:24,862
[Dan VO on phone] Hey, Will?
752
00:31:24,965 --> 00:31:26,379
[Will, chuckling]
Hey, what are you doin'?
753
00:31:26,448 --> 00:31:27,413
[Dan VO] Nothin',
what are you doin'?
754
00:31:27,482 --> 00:31:29,034
[Will VO] Nothin'.
755
00:31:29,103 --> 00:31:32,827
I was looking up to see
how to get to where you are.
756
00:31:32,896 --> 00:31:35,137
[Dan VO] Are you
gonna come over?
757
00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:37,034
[Will VO] Is it okay?
758
00:31:37,103 --> 00:31:39,413
[Dan VO] Yeah!
759
00:31:41,965 --> 00:31:44,344
- [Will VO] Are you sure?
- [Dan VO] Totally.
760
00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:47,103
Hundred percent.
761
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,689
You leave yet?!
762
00:31:54,758 --> 00:31:55,827
[Will VO] No...
763
00:31:55,931 --> 00:31:57,034
[Dan VO] You didn't leave yet?!
764
00:31:57,103 --> 00:31:59,000
[Will VO] No.
765
00:31:59,965 --> 00:32:01,793
[Dan VO] Are you
gonna come or not?!
766
00:32:01,896 --> 00:32:03,758
[Will VO] Yes, I shall.
767
00:32:03,827 --> 00:32:05,344
[Dan VO] Well, when are
you gonna come over?!
768
00:32:05,448 --> 00:32:08,172
[Will VO] Well, a little later.
769
00:32:08,241 --> 00:32:09,758
[Dan VO] A little later?!
770
00:32:09,827 --> 00:32:11,827
[Will VO] Yeah,
is that all right?
771
00:32:11,896 --> 00:32:15,034
[Dan VO] Yeah, I guess...
772
00:33:20,517 --> 00:33:23,517
We saw a fella ride
his horse right up the street.
773
00:33:23,586 --> 00:33:24,965
Took a good look at us.
774
00:33:28,758 --> 00:33:30,517
If there's someone in there,
they know we're out here.
775
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:31,758
- Yeah.
- Chief said he felt
776
00:33:31,827 --> 00:33:33,103
more comfortable calling
the TAC team out
777
00:33:33,172 --> 00:33:35,310
to get through,
help pick them up, and...
778
00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:36,620
Make an entry
with a TAC team?
779
00:33:36,689 --> 00:33:38,172
- Make a forced entry.
- Okay.
780
00:33:38,275 --> 00:33:40,793
If it has to be like that,
that's what he wants to do,
781
00:33:40,896 --> 00:33:41,827
- so...
- Okay.
782
00:33:41,931 --> 00:33:43,310
This is y'all's call on that.
783
00:33:43,379 --> 00:33:44,793
We're on the phone now
784
00:33:44,862 --> 00:33:47,137
calling the TAC team out
to get them in line.
785
00:33:47,241 --> 00:33:48,655
Okay.
786
00:33:48,689 --> 00:33:49,931
Apparently we're gonna have
a little waiting period
787
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,137
because, you know,
as I said--
788
00:33:51,172 --> 00:33:52,482
Put together
the tactical team?
789
00:33:52,586 --> 00:33:53,793
- Yep.
- Yeah, it won't take them
790
00:33:53,862 --> 00:33:55,310
It won't take them long.
791
00:33:55,344 --> 00:33:56,275
They're pretty quick.
792
00:33:56,379 --> 00:33:57,517
Okay.
793
00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:00,103
[man] We called him
this morning on a fake call.
794
00:34:00,137 --> 00:34:01,448
We got the number.
795
00:34:01,482 --> 00:34:04,310
If somebody wants to call
and try to talk him out.
796
00:34:04,379 --> 00:34:05,413
If he answers...
797
00:34:05,482 --> 00:34:07,034
- Mind if I do it?
- I don't know.
798
00:34:10,241 --> 00:34:11,793
Nine-seven-two...
799
00:34:13,172 --> 00:34:14,310
five-two-four...
800
00:34:16,275 --> 00:34:17,620
[beeping]
801
00:34:19,655 --> 00:34:20,827
The sergeant's out here.
802
00:34:20,931 --> 00:34:22,172
He's obtained
the telephone number.
803
00:34:22,241 --> 00:34:24,620
He's attempting
telephone contact,
804
00:34:24,655 --> 00:34:26,448
but it doesn't look like
he's getting a message.
805
00:34:26,551 --> 00:34:28,620
[radio chatter]
806
00:35:01,896 --> 00:35:05,103
[man] Got a
detective back there?
807
00:35:06,931 --> 00:35:08,793
All the way back.
808
00:35:08,931 --> 00:35:11,275
Back to the fence.
809
00:35:18,275 --> 00:35:19,793
[gunshot]
810
00:35:19,896 --> 00:35:21,206
Keep going.
811
00:35:39,517 --> 00:35:40,758
He shot himself.
812
00:35:40,827 --> 00:35:43,103
[man] Oh, my god.
813
00:35:43,172 --> 00:35:45,482
I don't know
if he's dead or not, so...
814
00:35:46,655 --> 00:35:48,586
What can you tell us
about the scene?
815
00:35:48,655 --> 00:35:50,517
It's just a gunshot wound
to the head.
816
00:35:53,758 --> 00:35:54,724
So...
817
00:35:54,793 --> 00:35:56,137
Any idea on when it occurred?
818
00:35:56,206 --> 00:35:57,551
I don't know for sure.
819
00:35:57,620 --> 00:35:59,034
Okay.
820
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:03,758
They're calling
for CareFlite, so...
821
00:36:03,793 --> 00:36:04,620
Okay.
822
00:36:04,724 --> 00:36:07,448
They'll land somewhere and
823
00:36:07,517 --> 00:36:08,862
get an ambulance
and take him out.
824
00:36:08,931 --> 00:36:10,000
Okay.
825
00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:17,137
Y'all go ahead and scoot back.
826
00:36:17,241 --> 00:36:18,275
- The ambulance--
- Yeah.
827
00:36:20,241 --> 00:36:23,448
Well, there's going to be
some controversy.
828
00:36:23,482 --> 00:36:26,241
It's better
that he did it when, uh,
829
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,793
as they were coming in,
as opposed to...
830
00:36:36,793 --> 00:36:38,517
I know it's preliminary,
831
00:36:38,586 --> 00:36:40,379
you guys are still piecing
this together here,
832
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,137
but as best you can tell us,
lieutenant,
833
00:36:42,172 --> 00:36:44,931
what happened
as the entry team came in?
834
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,310
As they made entry,
they confronted the suspect.
835
00:36:47,344 --> 00:36:48,620
I believe he was
in the hallway
836
00:36:48,689 --> 00:36:50,379
and he told them
he wasn't gonna hurt them,
837
00:36:50,448 --> 00:36:51,896
and then shot himself
in the head.
838
00:36:51,965 --> 00:36:53,413
And he had a pistol
in his hand?
839
00:36:53,482 --> 00:36:55,206
- Small caliber.
- And shot himself in his head.
840
00:36:55,793 --> 00:36:57,482
All right, lieutenant, thanks.
I appreciate it.
841
00:37:01,448 --> 00:37:04,931
[helicopter chuffing]
842
00:37:04,965 --> 00:37:05,965
[spits]
843
00:37:06,068 --> 00:37:10,275
[indistinct radio chatter]
844
00:37:14,241 --> 00:37:15,689
We're having fun?
845
00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:22,413
You hear they got a
300-pounder out there?
846
00:37:22,482 --> 00:37:24,758
- [man] No.
- Showed up at the house.
847
00:37:24,827 --> 00:37:26,103
- Are you serious?
- They already arrested him.
848
00:37:26,137 --> 00:37:27,896
He wanted--
Brad couldn't remember--
849
00:37:27,965 --> 00:37:29,517
he either wanted
to take a dump on the boy
850
00:37:29,586 --> 00:37:31,448
or have the boy
take a dump on him.
851
00:37:31,551 --> 00:37:33,620
[man laughs]
852
00:37:33,724 --> 00:37:35,000
Oh, man.
853
00:37:58,103 --> 00:38:03,310
I know I was at the house
when I heard what happened.
854
00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:09,137
It might have been an
hour after that that...
855
00:38:09,241 --> 00:38:11,034
we were told, "That's it.
856
00:38:11,103 --> 00:38:12,034
We're done.
857
00:38:12,103 --> 00:38:14,206
We're done with you guys."
858
00:38:14,275 --> 00:38:16,413
And then...
859
00:38:18,413 --> 00:38:20,689
I know I've blocked that out.
860
00:38:20,758 --> 00:38:22,068
I know I have.
861
00:38:22,137 --> 00:38:23,758
I have.
862
00:38:23,827 --> 00:38:25,551
Um...
863
00:38:26,965 --> 00:38:28,862
This morning, I-- I...
864
00:38:28,931 --> 00:38:31,965
clicked a link on YouTube,
865
00:38:32,068 --> 00:38:35,896
and it brought me to...
866
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:39,344
it started to
play the phone call.
867
00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:40,758
[Will VO on phone] Hello?
868
00:38:40,827 --> 00:38:42,344
[Dan VO on phone]
Hey, is this Will?
869
00:38:42,413 --> 00:38:44,172
[Dan VO] And I heard
myself say "Hello?"
870
00:38:44,206 --> 00:38:45,655
- [Dan VO on phone] Hey, Will.
- [Will VO on phone] How are ya?
871
00:38:45,758 --> 00:38:47,137
[Dan VO on phone]
Hey, how are you?
872
00:38:47,241 --> 00:38:48,344
[Will VO on phone]
I'm good, thanks.
873
00:38:48,448 --> 00:38:49,965
Did you get the dogs walked?
874
00:38:50,034 --> 00:38:50,793
[Dan VO] And I had to
immediately-- I-- I...
875
00:38:50,827 --> 00:38:51,965
I was done.
876
00:38:52,068 --> 00:38:54,379
I didn't wanna play
that game anymore.
877
00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:02,034
[voice cracking] It's not
a place I like to live.
878
00:39:09,068 --> 00:39:12,758
I don't like knowing that I
could have been the last person
879
00:39:12,827 --> 00:39:17,068
that this guy had a
conversation with,
880
00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:20,413
outside of when
police showed up.
881
00:39:21,965 --> 00:39:26,655
This was something I had
started to pack up as nicely
882
00:39:26,758 --> 00:39:28,862
as I could and...
883
00:39:29,413 --> 00:39:31,655
bury as far...
884
00:39:31,758 --> 00:39:34,379
back as possible.
885
00:39:38,068 --> 00:39:41,931
And then, I heard from you.
886
00:39:46,068 --> 00:39:49,655
[Byron VO] I was watching
the six o'clock news that day,
887
00:39:49,724 --> 00:39:52,344
and there was a short report
888
00:39:52,413 --> 00:39:55,137
of a man dying,
889
00:39:55,241 --> 00:39:57,000
and I just thought,
890
00:39:57,103 --> 00:40:00,862
"How does somebody die in
891
00:40:00,931 --> 00:40:04,448
the production of
a television show?"
892
00:40:05,137 --> 00:40:07,034
It's all supposed
to be about justice,
893
00:40:07,137 --> 00:40:09,758
but a News 8 investigation
shows that when the motives
894
00:40:09,827 --> 00:40:13,000
of the media and law
enforcement get confused,
895
00:40:13,103 --> 00:40:14,620
justice can be meager,
896
00:40:14,724 --> 00:40:16,655
and, in this case, tragic.
897
00:40:16,724 --> 00:40:18,724
[Byron VO] We were one of
the first new organizations to
898
00:40:18,793 --> 00:40:21,689
investigate To Catch
a Predator in Texas.
899
00:40:21,758 --> 00:40:25,172
They seemed to have elements
of kind of a traveling circus;
900
00:40:25,275 --> 00:40:30,413
they would go to a town,
they would troll for bad guys.
901
00:40:30,655 --> 00:40:32,275
The Collin County
DA, he said, "Well,
902
00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:35,620
are the police
working for the TV show?
903
00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:38,000
Who's employed by whom?"
904
00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:43,137
All of that led to big
questions from John Roach.
905
00:40:43,758 --> 00:40:46,862
[John VO] The Murphy Police
Department contacted us about
906
00:40:46,931 --> 00:40:49,068
being part of this
To Catch a Predator.
907
00:40:49,137 --> 00:40:51,137
We responded in writing
and told them we weren't
908
00:40:51,172 --> 00:40:53,310
gonna do it, advised
them not to do it,
909
00:40:53,344 --> 00:40:55,310
they were making
a huge mistake,
910
00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:57,137
and the phrase we used:
911
00:40:57,172 --> 00:41:00,172
"We're in the law enforcement
business, not show business."
912
00:41:00,275 --> 00:41:03,793
Well, they ignored us, and
went ahead and did it anyway.
913
00:41:03,862 --> 00:41:07,689
We got into it and found out
that some policemen were
914
00:41:07,793 --> 00:41:11,034
wearing a camera -- this was
way before body cameras --
915
00:41:11,103 --> 00:41:15,379
simply to give an action-packed
shot when their confrontation
916
00:41:15,448 --> 00:41:17,103
went down.
917
00:41:17,172 --> 00:41:18,827
[Reporter VO] Bill Conradt
was a former Kaufman County
918
00:41:18,931 --> 00:41:20,103
District Attorney.
919
00:41:20,137 --> 00:41:22,310
Now, his sister,
Patricia Conradt,
920
00:41:22,379 --> 00:41:25,793
is suing NBC for $105 million.
921
00:41:25,827 --> 00:41:29,793
The entertainment
industry cannot act as police,
922
00:41:29,896 --> 00:41:33,379
judge, jury, executioner.
923
00:41:34,068 --> 00:41:36,896
[Byron VO] Then, 20/20
did a national story,
924
00:41:36,965 --> 00:41:38,344
stemming from
our investigation.
925
00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:40,000
Hello, and welcome to 20/20.
926
00:41:40,068 --> 00:41:42,655
It's riveting television --
the sight of alleged pedophiles
927
00:41:42,724 --> 00:41:44,827
being caught in a
sting, cornered,
928
00:41:44,896 --> 00:41:46,793
thrown to the
ground and cuffed.
929
00:41:46,862 --> 00:41:48,724
It's all part of a
popular NBC series,
930
00:41:48,793 --> 00:41:51,689
but now, there are serious
questions about what goes on
931
00:41:51,758 --> 00:41:53,275
behind the scenes.
932
00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:56,758
As Murphy police detectives,
Sam Love and Walt Weiss
933
00:41:56,827 --> 00:41:58,758
played a big role
in the operation.
934
00:41:58,793 --> 00:42:00,586
Did you intend to
have sex with her?
935
00:42:00,655 --> 00:42:02,551
[man VO] Both men were seen
on the program interrogating
936
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:06,000
suspects, at times, they say,
following directions from the
937
00:42:06,103 --> 00:42:07,275
Dateline producer.
938
00:42:07,344 --> 00:42:09,103
By God, when they
wanted a camera in place,
939
00:42:09,172 --> 00:42:10,793
it was there.
940
00:42:10,827 --> 00:42:13,896
When they wanted certain things
carried out that made it easier
941
00:42:13,965 --> 00:42:16,000
for them to put the
television show together,
942
00:42:16,068 --> 00:42:17,931
by God, that
problem was addressed.
943
00:42:17,965 --> 00:42:21,137
But the criminal
cases were secondary.
944
00:42:22,103 --> 00:42:24,206
[Walt VO] Chris Hansen came
back to the department and the
945
00:42:24,275 --> 00:42:27,586
police are running up wanting
to get pictures for 'em.
946
00:42:27,655 --> 00:42:29,965
I grabbed the camera
and took the pictures,
947
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,827
and they asked me,
"What about you?"
948
00:42:31,931 --> 00:42:33,724
and I said, "Nah.
949
00:42:33,793 --> 00:42:35,931
I'm cool."
950
00:42:36,724 --> 00:42:38,172
That's not our boss.
951
00:42:38,241 --> 00:42:39,620
He is not a police officer,
952
00:42:39,655 --> 00:42:41,310
he's not a
prosecuting attorney.
953
00:42:41,413 --> 00:42:44,000
They're running a TV show!
954
00:42:44,103 --> 00:42:46,689
And it looked more and
more and more like...
955
00:42:46,793 --> 00:42:50,241
somebody was being given carte
blanche to come in and direct
956
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:53,689
operations at the
police department.
957
00:42:54,137 --> 00:42:56,310
[John VO] Chris Hansen is
acting as an agent of the
958
00:42:56,413 --> 00:42:58,448
police in this instance.
959
00:42:58,724 --> 00:43:00,620
He's interrogating them!
960
00:43:00,689 --> 00:43:02,793
Are you her father or
something like that?
961
00:43:02,862 --> 00:43:04,241
I'll get to that in a minute.
962
00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:06,758
Are you a private
investigator or police or...?
963
00:43:06,827 --> 00:43:07,965
[Chris] I'll get to
that in just a minute.
964
00:43:08,068 --> 00:43:09,655
Am I gonna go to jail?
965
00:43:09,758 --> 00:43:11,068
That's not up to me.
966
00:43:11,137 --> 00:43:12,758
And the police are gonna
use that information --
967
00:43:12,827 --> 00:43:14,620
they're gonna submit
it to the prosecutor --
968
00:43:14,724 --> 00:43:16,758
so this perpetrator,
969
00:43:16,827 --> 00:43:18,931
he doesn't know that he
has a right not to talk,
970
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,344
he has a right
to have an attorney,
971
00:43:20,448 --> 00:43:21,862
all those things.
972
00:43:21,965 --> 00:43:23,931
I'm looking at the transcripts,
so it's best not to lie,
973
00:43:23,965 --> 00:43:25,620
okay?
974
00:43:25,689 --> 00:43:27,310
I've read the whole thing, so
you might as well just tell me.
975
00:43:27,413 --> 00:43:30,862
[John VO] It was just perfectly
clear that these cases were not
976
00:43:30,931 --> 00:43:33,068
prosecutable.
977
00:43:38,758 --> 00:43:40,379
[Walt VO] They went over
there and did that at that
978
00:43:40,448 --> 00:43:44,206
house because it would do
something for the show,
979
00:43:44,275 --> 00:43:47,206
not something for society, not
something in the interest of
980
00:43:47,275 --> 00:43:49,241
law enforcement.
981
00:43:49,310 --> 00:43:52,310
And the role that
I played in it,
982
00:43:52,379 --> 00:43:55,000
that's a stain on my soul...
983
00:43:55,103 --> 00:43:57,413
that I'm gonna live with...
984
00:43:57,965 --> 00:44:01,896
if I'm any kind of a
human being at all.
985
00:44:02,931 --> 00:44:04,931
Uh...
[sighs]
986
00:44:07,172 --> 00:44:08,793
I...
987
00:44:08,827 --> 00:44:10,862
I coulda shut
that thing down --
988
00:44:10,965 --> 00:44:13,620
at least that part of it --
just simply by walking out
989
00:44:13,689 --> 00:44:16,862
the back door and
going to see somebody.
990
00:44:17,793 --> 00:44:20,241
I don't know what
else I have to tell,
991
00:44:20,310 --> 00:44:21,862
but if you have
any more questions,
992
00:44:21,931 --> 00:44:24,275
I'll sit for 'em.
993
00:44:26,172 --> 00:44:28,448
[David] So the episode
eventually aired?
994
00:44:33,275 --> 00:44:35,344
It did.
995
00:44:36,034 --> 00:44:37,310
♪exciting rock music
996
00:44:37,379 --> 00:44:38,793
- This is a nice house.
- [girl] Thank you!
997
00:44:38,896 --> 00:44:39,862
[Chris VO] Nice house,
998
00:44:39,931 --> 00:44:41,241
and guess who's home.
999
00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:42,793
Why don't you have a
seat right there, please?
1000
00:44:42,896 --> 00:44:43,896
[Chris VO] Get ready.
1001
00:44:43,965 --> 00:44:45,241
Here come the cops.
1002
00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:46,655
- Roll over.
- [officer] Get on the ground!
1003
00:44:46,689 --> 00:44:48,275
[officer] Hands
behind your back now!
1004
00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:50,068
- I guess I'm under arrest, huh?
- [officer] You think?
1005
00:44:50,137 --> 00:44:52,034
[woman VO] Also tonight,
something that has never
1006
00:44:52,103 --> 00:44:54,137
happened before.
1007
00:44:54,793 --> 00:44:57,103
Police move in on a
surprising suspect,
1008
00:44:57,172 --> 00:44:59,620
and there are
deadly consequences.
1009
00:44:59,689 --> 00:45:01,172
[officer VO] We all
knew who he was.
1010
00:45:01,241 --> 00:45:04,000
Nobody anticipated the kind
of outcome that resulted.
1011
00:45:04,068 --> 00:45:07,862
Mm, and I talked to Dateline's
Chris Hansen about this tragic
1012
00:45:07,931 --> 00:45:09,310
turn of events,
1013
00:45:09,379 --> 00:45:12,172
and this was his reaction
to what unfolded that day.
1014
00:45:12,275 --> 00:45:14,655
[Chris on TV] Everybody on
the scene would have rather,
1015
00:45:14,758 --> 00:45:18,275
uh, have had, uh, Bill Conradt
tell his side of the story,
1016
00:45:18,344 --> 00:45:21,000
and, if necessary,
have his day in court,
1017
00:45:21,068 --> 00:45:24,034
but that's not
the choice he made.
1018
00:45:24,137 --> 00:45:25,827
[Joe VO] No, it
certainly wasn't.
1019
00:45:25,862 --> 00:45:28,931
Make sure you catch Dateline's
next predator investigation
1020
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,137
Tuesday night.
1021
00:45:30,206 --> 00:45:32,896
And, coming up,
oops, she left it again!
1022
00:45:32,965 --> 00:45:35,758
Britney's second stint in
rehab's over and done with,
1023
00:45:35,827 --> 00:45:40,137
so can anyone or anything
convince her to get the help
1024
00:45:40,241 --> 00:45:41,827
she so desperately needs?
1025
00:45:41,896 --> 00:45:46,724
But first, Jay Leno shows us
the latest hero to hit NBC's...
1026
00:45:46,793 --> 00:45:47,896
must-see SC!
1027
00:45:47,965 --> 00:45:49,896
It's comin' up next!
1028
00:45:51,275 --> 00:45:53,310
♪I need a hero♪
1029
00:45:53,344 --> 00:45:56,068
♪I'm holding
out for a he--♪
1030
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,103
[Walt] Good God.
1031
00:46:00,620 --> 00:46:03,655
He's standing down the hallway
with a handgun in his hand --
1032
00:46:03,758 --> 00:46:05,620
a small caliber gun -- and he
says, "I'm not gonna hurt you
1033
00:46:05,724 --> 00:46:07,241
guys," and puts the...
1034
00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:09,068
gun to his head
and shoots himself.
1035
00:46:09,137 --> 00:46:10,482
[Jay] Wow.
1036
00:46:10,586 --> 00:46:12,620
So, obviously, they've
confiscated the computers from
1037
00:46:12,655 --> 00:46:13,896
him home, and
they're-- you know,
1038
00:46:13,965 --> 00:46:15,275
investigators are
going through those now.
1039
00:46:15,344 --> 00:46:16,482
[Jay] Okay.
1040
00:46:16,551 --> 00:46:18,241
And, uh, now, this
book comes out, uh...
1041
00:46:18,310 --> 00:46:20,344
To Catch a Predator, this
has a lot of tips for...
1042
00:46:20,413 --> 00:46:21,275
It does, it does.
1043
00:46:21,344 --> 00:46:22,482
You know...
1044
00:46:22,551 --> 00:46:24,724
[Mark VO]
There was no debrief,
1045
00:46:24,793 --> 00:46:27,931
no sense of "Let's
talk about how this happened
1046
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,344
and what kind of culpability
we have or anyone else --
1047
00:46:31,413 --> 00:46:32,965
police -- have.
1048
00:46:33,068 --> 00:46:34,310
There was none of that.
1049
00:46:34,379 --> 00:46:35,620
[Chris VO]
Meanwhile, back at the house,
1050
00:46:35,724 --> 00:46:37,793
men continue to show up.
1051
00:46:37,896 --> 00:46:39,068
[Dan on TV] Come on in!
1052
00:46:39,137 --> 00:46:40,931
How you doing?
1053
00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:42,482
[Chris VO]
Because I'm not there,
1054
00:46:42,517 --> 00:46:45,310
the decoy invites a suspect
to come up to the house,
1055
00:46:45,344 --> 00:46:47,000
but then quickly
locks the door.
1056
00:46:47,034 --> 00:46:49,931
There's one more potential
predator we'd like you to meet.
1057
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,827
[Mark VO] The show ended
after six more episodes,
1058
00:46:51,931 --> 00:46:55,310
but, if anything, it
had people watching more.
1059
00:46:55,379 --> 00:46:57,862
[overlapping Chris voiceovers]
1060
00:46:57,965 --> 00:47:00,827
[Mark VO] Reruns of it
continued to air for years.
1061
00:47:00,896 --> 00:47:05,000
All the episodes went online
when that technology developed.
1062
00:47:05,068 --> 00:47:07,896
So, even though the show ended,
1063
00:47:07,965 --> 00:47:11,103
that didn't seem to
lessen the show's appeal.
1064
00:47:11,137 --> 00:47:13,413
[Chris VO] This
girl was how old?
1065
00:47:16,931 --> 00:47:21,034
[Walt VO] Did they learn things
from what happened in Murphy?
1066
00:47:22,103 --> 00:47:24,206
I don't know.
1067
00:47:28,689 --> 00:47:30,241
They're still out
there doing the show,
1068
00:47:30,310 --> 00:47:31,793
are they not?
1069
00:47:31,896 --> 00:47:34,413
What's happening with it?
1070
00:47:40,241 --> 00:47:42,137
[man] Are you inside yet?
1071
00:47:42,172 --> 00:47:43,655
[man on phone]
I'm outside, yes.
1072
00:47:43,758 --> 00:47:45,034
[man] Okay, well...
1073
00:47:45,103 --> 00:47:48,068
like I said, just meet
me by the milk, okay?
1074
00:47:48,137 --> 00:47:49,344
All right, let's go.
1075
00:47:49,448 --> 00:47:52,413
[car doors opening]
1076
00:48:00,310 --> 00:48:01,586
Hey.
1077
00:48:01,655 --> 00:48:02,965
I'm the 12-year-old boy
you came to fuck with.
1078
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,655
You're gonna get
smacked if you walk away.
1079
00:48:04,689 --> 00:48:05,620
- Hey, what was you gonna do?
- [man] Tell the fucking truth!
1080
00:48:05,724 --> 00:48:06,620
[man] Don't lie, bro!
1081
00:48:06,724 --> 00:48:07,965
Excuse me, everybody!
1082
00:48:08,068 --> 00:48:11,551
This guy's here to
meet a 12-year-old boy!
1083
00:48:22,724 --> 00:48:27,655
♪tense minimal music♪
1084
00:48:27,827 --> 00:48:29,517
[Skeet VO] Since To
Catch a Predator,
1085
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:32,689
there have been tons of
predator catch groups online:
1086
00:48:32,793 --> 00:48:36,517
regular everyday civilians
going out and catching these
1087
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:38,758
predators who are trying to
meet up with boys and girls.
1088
00:48:38,827 --> 00:48:40,965
[man] This man is here to
meet a 13-year-old boy!
1089
00:48:41,034 --> 00:48:43,758
[Skeet VO] There's
usually a lot of yelling...
1090
00:48:43,827 --> 00:48:45,482
[man] [indistinct]
rape a little boy!
1091
00:48:45,586 --> 00:48:48,172
[Skeet VO] They're getting very
aggressive with the predator.
1092
00:48:48,275 --> 00:48:49,931
[man] This man is trying to
pick up a little boy on the
1093
00:48:49,965 --> 00:48:51,000
internet!
1094
00:48:51,103 --> 00:48:53,344
[indistinct yelling]
1095
00:48:53,413 --> 00:48:54,965
[man] Excuse me, everybody!
1096
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,655
This man's here to
meet a 14-year-old girl!
1097
00:48:57,758 --> 00:49:00,206
[Skeet VO] It's great that
they're catching people,
1098
00:49:00,275 --> 00:49:04,034
but I was like, "Why is no one
doing the whole Chris Hansen
1099
00:49:04,103 --> 00:49:06,896
thing -- like, dressing up in
the blazer and printing out the
1100
00:49:06,965 --> 00:49:08,689
chat logs?"
1101
00:49:08,827 --> 00:49:14,034
He's sharp, he's witty,
he has a sense of humor.
1102
00:49:15,827 --> 00:49:18,551
I was like, "You
know, I'm gonna...
1103
00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:20,793
impersonate Chris
Hansen the best I can,
1104
00:49:20,862 --> 00:49:23,896
and see if people like it."
1105
00:49:26,896 --> 00:49:28,965
All right, so,
here we are again,
1106
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,172
in Grand Rapids.
1107
00:49:30,241 --> 00:49:31,931
We have T Coy the Decoy here.
1108
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,758
This is our potential
predator. He is on his way.
1109
00:49:34,827 --> 00:49:38,586
He's gonna be here in
just a few minutes.
1110
00:49:41,965 --> 00:49:43,137
[T Coy] He said
seven minutes away.
1111
00:49:43,241 --> 00:49:44,310
[man] Seven
minutes away, Skeet.
1112
00:49:44,413 --> 00:49:46,137
Let's get into positions.
1113
00:49:46,241 --> 00:49:48,241
[whispering] [indistinct]
1114
00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:50,034
Okay.
1115
00:49:50,931 --> 00:49:53,172
[door closes]
1116
00:49:53,344 --> 00:49:55,000
Get his initial reaction.
1117
00:49:55,551 --> 00:49:56,758
I see him.
1118
00:49:56,827 --> 00:49:57,793
She sees him.
1119
00:49:57,896 --> 00:50:00,103
[Skeet, whispering] Okay, okay.
1120
00:50:06,379 --> 00:50:09,068
- [door opens]
- [T Coy] Yay!
1121
00:50:09,137 --> 00:50:10,103
[giggles]
1122
00:50:10,275 --> 00:50:11,896
- How are you?
- Pretty good.
1123
00:50:12,172 --> 00:50:14,206
- Good to see you!
- You too.
1124
00:50:15,310 --> 00:50:16,862
[door closes]
1125
00:50:16,931 --> 00:50:17,862
[T Coy sighs]
1126
00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:19,448
Sit over there.
1127
00:50:19,965 --> 00:50:21,172
[sighs]
1128
00:50:21,827 --> 00:50:23,965
- You don't look 14 at all.
- I know.
1129
00:50:24,206 --> 00:50:26,103
- At all!
- Yeah.
1130
00:50:26,241 --> 00:50:28,482
But my pictures do.
1131
00:50:28,965 --> 00:50:30,103
[giggles]
1132
00:50:30,137 --> 00:50:32,482
- Sometimes! Some of them.
- Yeah.
1133
00:50:32,827 --> 00:50:34,000
[T Coy] Do you
wanna go get food?
1134
00:50:34,103 --> 00:50:35,137
Or, wait, are we
going to your house,
1135
00:50:35,206 --> 00:50:37,275
or are we just gonna stay here?
1136
00:50:39,965 --> 00:50:41,172
[Skeet] How are you?
1137
00:50:41,275 --> 00:50:42,827
[man] What the fuck is this?
1138
00:50:42,931 --> 00:50:45,275
[Skeet] Uh, sir, I'm with the
Predatorial Investigation Unit.
1139
00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:47,206
We do have the
police on standby.
1140
00:50:48,793 --> 00:50:50,413
[Skeet] I just have a
few questions for you.
1141
00:50:50,482 --> 00:50:51,482
So do you--
1142
00:50:51,551 --> 00:50:52,724
[man] Can I
please just leave?
1143
00:50:52,793 --> 00:50:54,344
[Skeet] Do you
have an ID on you?
1144
00:50:54,448 --> 00:50:55,896
- [man] Can I please just leave?
- [Skeet] I just have--
1145
00:50:55,965 --> 00:50:57,241
[man] I will never
come back and you'll never
1146
00:50:57,310 --> 00:50:58,655
hear from me again.
1147
00:50:58,758 --> 00:51:00,137
[Skeet] Well, help me
understand first what is...
1148
00:51:00,172 --> 00:51:01,586
[man] We just wanna
ask some questions.
1149
00:51:01,655 --> 00:51:03,793
[Skeet] You made the
decision to come in here.
1150
00:51:03,827 --> 00:51:06,793
[man] Can I make
the decision to leave?
1151
00:51:07,758 --> 00:51:12,241
[Skeet] Well, it's going to
be up to the police to decide,
1152
00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:14,827
and when they arrive in
just a few minutes...
1153
00:51:14,862 --> 00:51:16,827
- [man] What?!
- [Skeet] We'll go over that.
1154
00:51:16,931 --> 00:51:18,241
[man] What?!
No!
1155
00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:19,827
[Skeet] I mean, I think
it's best we all just,
1156
00:51:19,931 --> 00:51:23,034
you know, wait here.
1157
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,655
I mean, you can feel
free to, you know,
1158
00:51:26,758 --> 00:51:29,344
look through it, but these are
basically all the highlights of
1159
00:51:29,448 --> 00:51:30,482
- the...
- Okay.
1160
00:51:30,551 --> 00:51:31,551
- Things he was saying.
- I see.
1161
00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:33,068
Yeah, that's pretty much...
1162
00:51:33,137 --> 00:51:34,206
Yeah, let me take pictures
of that real quick for our
1163
00:51:34,275 --> 00:51:35,655
- evidence server.
- Sure.
1164
00:51:35,724 --> 00:51:37,137
[T Coy] There's a phone
call with him as well.
1165
00:51:37,241 --> 00:51:38,275
He says multiple times,
1166
00:51:38,310 --> 00:51:39,413
he talks about To
Catch a Predator,
1167
00:51:39,482 --> 00:51:40,931
"I don't wanna get in trouble."
1168
00:51:40,965 --> 00:51:41,689
Here, I'm just
gonna set this down.
1169
00:51:41,758 --> 00:51:43,896
Yeah, go for it.
1170
00:51:46,827 --> 00:51:51,103
Our alleged predator
in the Sheriff's truck.
1171
00:51:51,862 --> 00:51:53,620
And we're gonna
wait around and see,
1172
00:51:53,689 --> 00:51:55,172
you know, what's
going to happen.
1173
00:51:55,275 --> 00:51:58,379
Get a shot of, like, the
concerned citizens around here.
1174
00:51:58,448 --> 00:51:59,827
[indistinct]
1175
00:51:59,896 --> 00:52:01,620
[officer] You guys got
more stuff lined up or...?
1176
00:52:01,689 --> 00:52:03,620
[Skeet] Yeah, we've got I think
one or two more lined up for
1177
00:52:03,724 --> 00:52:05,172
- tonight.
- Yes, sir.
1178
00:52:05,241 --> 00:52:06,482
[officer] All right, well...
1179
00:52:06,551 --> 00:52:07,965
Anything happening
with this guy, or...?
1180
00:52:08,068 --> 00:52:09,793
- I have no idea.
- Okay.
1181
00:52:09,862 --> 00:52:12,034
Once everything
gets put into a pile,
1182
00:52:12,137 --> 00:52:14,310
the detectives look at it, and
take it to the prosecutor.
1183
00:52:14,413 --> 00:52:15,689
- Gotcha.
- All right.
1184
00:52:15,758 --> 00:52:18,034
[man] Thank you so
much, sir, appreciate it.
1185
00:52:18,758 --> 00:52:21,034
See you in a half hour!
1186
00:52:23,655 --> 00:52:26,758
[Skeet VO] If you upload
a predator catch video,
1187
00:52:26,793 --> 00:52:28,310
and you don't
have police in it,
1188
00:52:28,413 --> 00:52:29,931
they're taking it down.
1189
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,862
But it doesn't even have
to be real police presence.
1190
00:52:33,965 --> 00:52:37,275
If you've got some fake, uh,
police light overlay right
1191
00:52:37,344 --> 00:52:41,758
there, and there's
my good friend Chet.
1192
00:52:41,827 --> 00:52:43,793
Yeah, we just dress
him as a police officer,
1193
00:52:43,862 --> 00:52:46,034
we had a badge
there, it says "Officer,"
1194
00:52:46,103 --> 00:52:49,793
but it says "Security" on the
bottom side -- it's not even...
1195
00:52:49,862 --> 00:52:51,275
Yeah, it's, like, totally fake.
1196
00:52:51,344 --> 00:52:53,241
And you put in all
these sound effects,
1197
00:52:53,310 --> 00:52:55,517
and we gave him a walkie
talkie, and his shirt says
1198
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:58,896
"Police," so, to YouTube's
eyes, when they look at this,
1199
00:52:58,965 --> 00:53:02,379
they're gonna see a badge
and that it says "Police."
1200
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,517
[David] Do you see what you
do as different
1201
00:53:05,586 --> 00:53:07,137
than what
Chris Hansen did?
1202
00:53:07,965 --> 00:53:10,000
[Skeet VO] He's a
journalist, you know,
1203
00:53:10,068 --> 00:53:11,724
and I'm kind of just, uh...
1204
00:53:11,793 --> 00:53:12,965
I think I'll always,
for the most part,
1205
00:53:13,068 --> 00:53:14,758
just be looked at as...
1206
00:53:14,827 --> 00:53:18,758
a YouTuber who's just-- just
does it for the clicks and the
1207
00:53:18,793 --> 00:53:20,689
likes and the
views and all that.
1208
00:53:20,758 --> 00:53:24,241
But he was, you know, my first
inspiration for doing this sort
1209
00:53:24,310 --> 00:53:25,931
of thing.
1210
00:53:26,724 --> 00:53:30,620
There's never been a detective
that solved a murder that
1211
00:53:30,724 --> 00:53:32,379
didn't get paid for it,
1212
00:53:32,448 --> 00:53:33,896
so...
1213
00:53:33,965 --> 00:53:37,068
why shouldn't I be able
to monetize off of, um...
1214
00:53:37,137 --> 00:53:39,862
catching these guys
like the original show,
1215
00:53:39,965 --> 00:53:44,103
and making this content
for people's entertainment?
1216
00:53:45,931 --> 00:53:48,068
[whispering] Who's the baby?
1217
00:53:51,275 --> 00:53:52,344
Are ya chilly?
1218
00:53:52,413 --> 00:53:55,551
Do ya need a shirt, baby boy?
1219
00:53:59,068 --> 00:54:01,103
Go live.
1220
00:54:03,793 --> 00:54:06,655
[man on phone] I'm not
gonna force ya to do nothing.
1221
00:54:06,965 --> 00:54:10,241
[in young voice] I'm glad
you're my boyfriend, though.
1222
00:54:10,655 --> 00:54:13,931
[man on phone] We could
go to a mall somewhere.
1223
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,965
Yeah, okay.
1224
00:54:16,241 --> 00:54:21,551
[T Coy VO] It is funny to watch
people that do bad things...
1225
00:54:22,068 --> 00:54:23,103
crumble,
1226
00:54:23,172 --> 00:54:24,206
get hurt.
1227
00:54:24,275 --> 00:54:25,827
It's laughable.
1228
00:54:25,931 --> 00:54:29,793
It is fucking funny when a bad
person gets what is coming to
1229
00:54:29,827 --> 00:54:32,896
them, however you
wanna look at it.
1230
00:54:32,965 --> 00:54:34,241
Um...
1231
00:54:34,310 --> 00:54:35,172
it's awesome.
1232
00:54:35,275 --> 00:54:37,896
[chuckles]
It is.
1233
00:54:37,965 --> 00:54:39,448
Right?
1234
00:54:39,758 --> 00:54:42,379
"Are you hairless?
1235
00:54:44,655 --> 00:54:48,034
When's the last
time you had sex?"
1236
00:54:48,758 --> 00:54:51,206
[T Coy VO] If I can talk
to these guys for 16 hours
1237
00:54:51,275 --> 00:54:54,758
a day -- like, if
they are engaging --
1238
00:54:54,827 --> 00:54:58,379
they're not engaging
with somebody's kid.
1239
00:54:59,655 --> 00:55:00,793
[David] What made you
do this work?
1240
00:55:00,862 --> 00:55:03,034
Um, I was requested to do it.
1241
00:55:03,137 --> 00:55:06,379
I'm a victim -- or survivor,
whatever you wanna call it --
1242
00:55:06,448 --> 00:55:08,172
but, um...
1243
00:55:08,241 --> 00:55:13,068
you know, I, myself, was taken
advantage by a child predator,
1244
00:55:13,137 --> 00:55:14,724
so...
1245
00:55:14,793 --> 00:55:15,793
um...
1246
00:55:15,862 --> 00:55:17,241
Sorry, I'm, like, looking away.
1247
00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:18,724
Uh...
1248
00:55:18,793 --> 00:55:21,103
But somebody -- another
catcher, actually -- was like,
1249
00:55:21,172 --> 00:55:22,689
"Hey, I think you
would be good at this,"
1250
00:55:22,758 --> 00:55:23,931
'cause I talk...
1251
00:55:23,965 --> 00:55:25,413
I come with,
like, sound effects.
1252
00:55:25,482 --> 00:55:27,620
Like, my personality,
when I'm doing something,
1253
00:55:27,724 --> 00:55:28,965
I'm like doo-doo-doo-doo.
1254
00:55:29,068 --> 00:55:30,896
Like, I just-- I talk
weird, I love dogs,
1255
00:55:30,965 --> 00:55:33,482
I'm always talking in
this, like, weird little...
1256
00:55:33,586 --> 00:55:37,172
voice that I talk to animals
in, and I think it was, like...
1257
00:55:37,275 --> 00:55:38,586
"You're a character.
1258
00:55:38,655 --> 00:55:40,827
Like, you could play a
character" kind of thing.
1259
00:55:40,965 --> 00:55:43,758
Tell me how it feels when
you're helping catch these guys.
1260
00:55:44,827 --> 00:55:47,793
Oh, it makes me feel-- it
makes me feel good because...
1261
00:55:47,827 --> 00:55:50,172
you know, I
subject myself to this, like,
1262
00:55:50,275 --> 00:55:52,172
perversion all day.
1263
00:55:52,275 --> 00:55:54,241
And it's like, um...
1264
00:55:54,310 --> 00:55:56,103
I don't know, you
finally just get to, like,
1265
00:55:56,172 --> 00:55:59,724
fuckin' squash the
bug or I-- I don't know,
1266
00:55:59,793 --> 00:56:00,793
um...
1267
00:56:00,896 --> 00:56:02,310
That's why, in
some of my things,
1268
00:56:02,379 --> 00:56:05,241
I'm like-- I sound so
immature because there's,
1269
00:56:05,310 --> 00:56:08,344
like-- there's a little
kid in me that's like,
1270
00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:09,931
"Yes!
Fuck you!"
1271
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,034
[laughing] You know
what I mean? Like...
1272
00:56:12,103 --> 00:56:13,310
And I start...
1273
00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:17,034
yelling and-- and
acting immature because...
1274
00:56:17,137 --> 00:56:19,827
I feel like that's what
I would've wanted to do, like,
1275
00:56:19,896 --> 00:56:23,275
back then --
like, embarrass them.
1276
00:56:23,896 --> 00:56:25,551
[Skeet on TV] How are you?
1277
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,068
[Skeet on TV] Uh, sir,
I'm with the, uh,
1278
00:56:28,137 --> 00:56:29,793
Predatorial Investigation Unit.
1279
00:56:29,827 --> 00:56:31,862
We do have the
police on standby.
1280
00:56:31,931 --> 00:56:33,689
What's your name?
1281
00:56:33,758 --> 00:56:35,758
[Mark VO] I genuinely believe
that they believe that they're
1282
00:56:35,827 --> 00:56:37,206
doing the right thing in
getting these predators
1283
00:56:37,275 --> 00:56:39,172
off the street.
1284
00:56:39,275 --> 00:56:42,068
It's the means that trouble me.
1285
00:56:42,862 --> 00:56:44,620
Because of the work
I've been doing for,
1286
00:56:44,689 --> 00:56:46,896
what, 20 years now
with different groups of
1287
00:56:46,965 --> 00:56:48,586
people in...
1288
00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:51,241
in different types of
challenging circumstances,
1289
00:56:51,310 --> 00:56:53,344
my interest is always
in seeing the humanity --
1290
00:56:53,413 --> 00:56:55,068
the complexity --
1291
00:56:55,137 --> 00:57:00,068
whereas they can only do what
they do because they refuse to.
1292
00:57:01,965 --> 00:57:04,241
I don't think I'm any more
moral than any of these
1293
00:57:04,310 --> 00:57:07,000
people are; it's...
maybe more sensitive?
1294
00:57:07,103 --> 00:57:09,586
I don't know what it is, but...
1295
00:57:11,931 --> 00:57:14,517
Yeah, I felt uncomfortable
being there.
1296
00:57:16,896 --> 00:57:18,827
I think I felt complicit.
1297
00:57:22,931 --> 00:57:28,103
[indistinct whispering]
1298
00:57:32,482 --> 00:57:34,896
[door opens]
1299
00:57:35,965 --> 00:57:37,310
I thought you were 14?
1300
00:57:37,379 --> 00:57:38,448
I am.
1301
00:57:38,620 --> 00:57:39,689
What?
1302
00:57:39,758 --> 00:57:41,000
I am!
1303
00:57:41,896 --> 00:57:42,896
Ain't no damn way.
1304
00:57:43,137 --> 00:57:44,344
Yes!
1305
00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:46,068
- There ain't no way.
- I'm gonna be 15 in September.
1306
00:57:46,137 --> 00:57:48,137
- You're fucking with me.
- No! Gimme one of those.
1307
00:57:48,206 --> 00:57:49,655
There's no one in here?
1308
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,827
- [Skeet] How are you?
- [man] Aw, fuck me.
1309
00:57:51,896 --> 00:57:53,034
[Skeet] Yeah,
"Fuck me" is right.
1310
00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:54,344
Sir, go and have a
seat right here.
1311
00:57:54,413 --> 00:57:55,551
[man hyperventilating]
Oh, don't...
1312
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:56,896
It's okay, it's okay.
1313
00:57:56,965 --> 00:57:58,551
[T Coy] You're good,
nobody is gonna hurt you.
1314
00:57:58,620 --> 00:57:59,965
No, no, we're not gonna
hurt you, we just wanna talk.
1315
00:58:00,068 --> 00:58:01,275
[Skeet] We have
the police on standby.
1316
00:58:01,310 --> 00:58:02,862
Please just have
a seat right there.
1317
00:58:02,931 --> 00:58:04,275
[man] We just wanna talk, man.
It's okay, just breathe.
1318
00:58:04,344 --> 00:58:05,482
[T Coy] Yeah, just breathe.
It's okay.
1319
00:58:05,517 --> 00:58:06,931
[man] Breathe.
Deep breaths.
1320
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,482
[T Coy] I got a water for you.
I've got a water.
1321
00:58:08,586 --> 00:58:09,827
I don't wanna touch you,
but I've got a water for you.
1322
00:58:09,931 --> 00:58:11,068
[man] Don't touch me.
1323
00:58:11,137 --> 00:58:12,413
[man] It's okay,
nobody's gonna touch you.
1324
00:58:12,482 --> 00:58:13,793
We just wanna talk.
1325
00:58:13,827 --> 00:58:15,620
[man] I don't
wanna lose everything.
1326
00:58:15,724 --> 00:58:17,137
[man] We just wanna talk.
1327
00:58:17,206 --> 00:58:19,000
[T Coy] So just think about
your actions right now
1328
00:58:19,034 --> 00:58:20,689
before you do something crazy.
Just breathe, drink the water.
1329
00:58:20,758 --> 00:58:21,793
It was sealed.
1330
00:58:21,896 --> 00:58:23,482
I'm trying to help you.
1331
00:58:23,551 --> 00:58:25,068
[man, crying] I have spent so
much of my life to try to get
1332
00:58:25,137 --> 00:58:27,551
off this pattern.
1333
00:58:28,275 --> 00:58:30,724
[sobs]
1334
00:58:30,793 --> 00:58:32,034
Okay.
1335
00:58:32,103 --> 00:58:35,482
Well, after today, you
know, you're gonna...
1336
00:58:35,586 --> 00:58:38,172
Well, I hope, at least, that
you're going to take the steps
1337
00:58:38,241 --> 00:58:39,965
that you need to take to...
1338
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:40,965
better yourself.
1339
00:58:41,068 --> 00:58:41,965
[man] If you guys
know programs,
1340
00:58:42,068 --> 00:58:43,586
I'll take suggestions too.
1341
00:58:43,655 --> 00:58:45,034
'Cause I honestly just don't
know where to go from this,
1342
00:58:45,103 --> 00:58:46,482
other than...
1343
00:58:46,551 --> 00:58:48,827
other than the right
steps, not going backwards.
1344
00:58:48,896 --> 00:58:50,758
- I don't have...
- I'm sure we could--
1345
00:58:50,793 --> 00:58:52,137
[man] The capacity
to go backwards.
1346
00:58:52,241 --> 00:58:54,655
I'm sure we could pull
a few strings and...
1347
00:58:54,689 --> 00:58:56,379
see if there's
anything we can...
1348
00:58:56,448 --> 00:58:57,896
align for ya.
1349
00:58:57,965 --> 00:58:59,896
[man, sobbing] I can't
afford to lose my job.
1350
00:58:59,965 --> 00:59:02,793
I can't afford to lose
everything I've worked for,
1351
00:59:02,896 --> 00:59:05,965
every friend I've
had will just...
1352
00:59:06,103 --> 00:59:08,344
[sobbing] I can't.
1353
00:59:08,413 --> 00:59:09,896
I don't know...
1354
00:59:09,965 --> 00:59:12,275
don't know how much
longer I'd be around if I do.
1355
00:59:12,344 --> 00:59:14,310
I really...
1356
00:59:14,413 --> 00:59:15,862
[sobbing] I just don't--
1357
00:59:15,931 --> 00:59:17,862
[Skeet] We don't want it
to come to anything like that.
1358
00:59:17,965 --> 00:59:20,172
[man] I don't either, 'cause
I want to be around my son.
1359
00:59:20,275 --> 00:59:21,827
- I just...
- Okay.
1360
00:59:21,862 --> 00:59:24,931
[man] I just don't wanna be
at this point of life anymore.
1361
00:59:24,965 --> 00:59:25,827
Yeah.
1362
00:59:25,931 --> 00:59:27,034
Well, we're gonna...
1363
00:59:27,103 --> 00:59:28,827
Nobody wants to
be at rock bottom.
1364
00:59:28,862 --> 00:59:30,965
No, I mean, we're gonna pull
some strings and see if we can,
1365
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,793
- you know, get...
- [man sobbing]
1366
00:59:32,896 --> 00:59:35,896
You someone that
you can talk to.
1367
00:59:37,827 --> 00:59:40,206
But, Eric, if that's all
you have to say for yourself,
1368
00:59:40,275 --> 00:59:41,827
then...
1369
00:59:41,931 --> 00:59:43,793
what I have to let you know is
that I am Skeet Hansen with the
1370
00:59:43,862 --> 00:59:46,586
Predatorial Investigation Unit,
1371
00:59:46,655 --> 00:59:48,862
and we're doing an online
series about adults who
1372
00:59:48,931 --> 00:59:50,068
try to meet...
1373
00:59:50,137 --> 00:59:52,965
underage girls online for sex,
1374
00:59:53,034 --> 00:59:55,241
and you've just been Skeeted.
1375
00:59:55,310 --> 00:59:57,793
If there's anything else
you have to say again,
1376
00:59:57,862 --> 01:00:00,172
you know, we'd love to hear it.
1377
01:00:00,620 --> 01:00:04,620
If not, then, um, our friends
in the Grand Rapids Police
1378
01:00:04,689 --> 01:00:07,896
Department will be
here shortly, and...
1379
01:00:07,965 --> 01:00:10,931
they're going to address
the situation and see if...
1380
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,103
they can point you in
the right direction to...
1381
01:00:13,172 --> 01:00:15,344
See if they can
help get out on track.
1382
01:00:15,413 --> 01:00:17,241
Exactly, to get you on track.
1383
01:00:17,310 --> 01:00:19,034
Yeah.
1384
01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:26,551
[knocking]
1385
01:00:30,965 --> 01:00:33,241
[man] We all good?
1386
01:00:38,758 --> 01:00:40,206
That was the sheriff's office.
1387
01:00:40,275 --> 01:00:41,724
They said they're not going to
dispatch an officer
1388
01:00:41,793 --> 01:00:43,206
in a timely fashion.
1389
01:00:43,275 --> 01:00:44,517
Oh, damn!
1390
01:00:44,689 --> 01:00:47,655
Um, yeah the only thing is,
he's like kind of...
1391
01:00:47,827 --> 01:00:49,172
You know, he's kind of
suicidal, so...
1392
01:00:49,241 --> 01:00:50,275
He is!
1393
01:00:50,448 --> 01:00:52,000
We need to do a wellness
check on this dude.
1394
01:00:52,137 --> 01:00:53,448
Cause I can't have that on
my shoulders,
1395
01:00:53,482 --> 01:00:54,655
that's for sure.
1396
01:00:55,310 --> 01:00:56,620
So what do we do?
1397
01:00:56,724 --> 01:00:58,620
Um, just call 911 and ask them,
1398
01:00:58,689 --> 01:01:00,241
Hey, what do I do if
1399
01:01:00,344 --> 01:01:03,862
there's somebody here that I
think is gonna kill themselves.
1400
01:01:16,068 --> 01:01:17,137
I have a question.
1401
01:01:17,896 --> 01:01:20,137
So we're doing two
separate things.
1402
01:01:21,482 --> 01:01:23,344
They are doing Skeet's stuff.
1403
01:01:23,448 --> 01:01:25,586
And we are doing a documentary
about this stuff.
1404
01:01:25,689 --> 01:01:26,827
I'm wondering if
you would sign
1405
01:01:26,931 --> 01:01:28,344
an appearance release
form for us?
1406
01:01:28,413 --> 01:01:31,137
We can't use your face
unless you sign it.
1407
01:01:31,344 --> 01:01:35,137
They can, but I'm just curious
if you could sign it for us.
1408
01:01:35,172 --> 01:01:35,862
[man sighs]
1409
01:01:35,931 --> 01:01:37,103
So, wait a second.
1410
01:01:38,344 --> 01:01:40,413
- I'm kind of confused.
- Yeah.
1411
01:01:41,103 --> 01:01:44,310
They can't publish my face
on the internet, correct?
1412
01:01:44,965 --> 01:01:47,206
We're doing two separate
kind of things.
1413
01:01:48,137 --> 01:01:50,448
I can just really speak
about ours.
1414
01:01:53,310 --> 01:01:54,896
You can also say no.
1415
01:01:54,965 --> 01:01:56,206
I'd like to say no.
1416
01:01:56,275 --> 01:01:58,000
It's just this is a pretty
bad part of...
1417
01:01:58,344 --> 01:02:01,620
I'm not trying to hide this
necessarily, it just doesn't...
1418
01:02:02,448 --> 01:02:04,620
I don't need to see another
reminder of it.
1419
01:02:05,137 --> 01:02:07,827
Especially once I've got
myself where I want to be.
1420
01:02:08,137 --> 01:02:11,172
- Okay, I understand.
- I appreciate you asking.
1421
01:02:12,793 --> 01:02:15,551
I don't want to look back
at myself as...
1422
01:02:16,137 --> 01:02:18,413
...the person that was
stuck in this.
1423
01:02:21,379 --> 01:02:22,862
Okay, I understand.
1424
01:02:35,103 --> 01:02:36,275
Sheriff's here.
1425
01:02:39,965 --> 01:02:41,310
[Skeet] Well, uh...
1426
01:02:41,413 --> 01:02:45,034
that was some heavy shit.
1427
01:02:45,931 --> 01:02:47,689
That was crazy.
1428
01:02:47,793 --> 01:02:50,724
He said he's seen one of my
videos before at some point!
1429
01:02:50,793 --> 01:02:53,068
And he was laughing at it!
Laughing at how...
1430
01:02:53,137 --> 01:02:54,448
dumb these guys are!
1431
01:02:54,586 --> 01:02:57,068
What we do, and I quote
1432
01:02:57,137 --> 01:03:00,275
is better than To Catch
a Predator.
1433
01:03:00,344 --> 01:03:01,655
He did say that!
1434
01:03:01,758 --> 01:03:04,344
I don't know if I can
agree fully 'cause TCaP is...
1435
01:03:04,413 --> 01:03:06,655
the OG, but...
1436
01:03:06,827 --> 01:03:10,862
you know, I'm-- I'm
flattered by Eric's words!
1437
01:03:11,793 --> 01:03:13,655
I actually kinda
feel bad for this guy.
1438
01:03:13,724 --> 01:03:15,068
'Cause, like, he needs help.
1439
01:03:15,137 --> 01:03:16,206
Like, obviously we know
why he's here, right?
1440
01:03:16,275 --> 01:03:17,620
- So...
- Yeah, well...
1441
01:03:17,689 --> 01:03:19,344
He's a monster for that, right?
But...
1442
01:03:19,413 --> 01:03:20,793
he needs help.
1443
01:03:20,896 --> 01:03:21,896
He actually needs help.
1444
01:03:21,965 --> 01:03:23,482
So I hope...
1445
01:03:23,586 --> 01:03:25,793
like we said tonight, I hope
that he gets the help he needs.
1446
01:03:25,862 --> 01:03:27,241
If this puts him on the
straight and narrow and it
1447
01:03:27,310 --> 01:03:29,000
saves his life, then,
as far as I'm concerned,
1448
01:03:29,068 --> 01:03:31,000
the last two years and change
that we've been doing this is
1449
01:03:31,103 --> 01:03:32,620
- worth it.
- Sure.
1450
01:03:32,689 --> 01:03:33,793
If we saved a life, that's...
1451
01:03:33,827 --> 01:03:35,724
- it's worth it.
- That's it.
1452
01:03:35,793 --> 01:03:36,896
That's it.
1453
01:03:36,965 --> 01:03:39,206
A child's life and
a predator's life;
1454
01:03:39,275 --> 01:03:41,379
look at that.
1455
01:03:50,482 --> 01:03:54,000
[David] I see To Catch a
Predator as an attempt to make
1456
01:03:55,344 --> 01:03:58,000
a public service entertaining.
1457
01:03:59,896 --> 01:04:02,103
But do you think it's
even possible
1458
01:04:02,275 --> 01:04:03,965
for something designed
1459
01:04:04,482 --> 01:04:05,758
as entertainment
1460
01:04:06,241 --> 01:04:07,827
to be a public service?
1461
01:04:10,344 --> 01:04:12,241
Great question, actually.
Very...
1462
01:04:12,310 --> 01:04:14,689
You've thought about
this a great deal, clearly.
1463
01:04:14,896 --> 01:04:17,517
Well, it's because I'm
thinking about
1464
01:04:18,034 --> 01:04:21,344
the morality of what I'm asking
people to look at.
1465
01:04:23,758 --> 01:04:28,551
And even what I'm making
and doing with this film
1466
01:04:30,068 --> 01:04:31,620
and why I'm making it.
1467
01:04:32,103 --> 01:04:34,551
Mm-hm, why are you?
1468
01:04:41,172 --> 01:04:43,000
[David] Um...
1469
01:04:43,068 --> 01:04:46,896
I was abused by a
child predator.
1470
01:04:46,965 --> 01:04:48,068
And...
1471
01:04:48,137 --> 01:04:49,758
for me,
1472
01:04:49,827 --> 01:04:54,137
I've been on a lifelong
quest to understand...
1473
01:04:54,241 --> 01:04:58,000
how someone could do that.
1474
01:04:59,103 --> 01:05:02,931
And partly what drew me to
the show when I was young...
1475
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,793
was that first initial
question Chris would ask:
1476
01:05:06,862 --> 01:05:10,000
- "Help me understand."
- [Mark] Mm-hm.
1477
01:05:10,965 --> 01:05:13,103
[David] But the show never
really answered that question
1478
01:05:13,137 --> 01:05:15,206
for me.
1479
01:05:16,655 --> 01:05:18,896
I don't think it was ever
really interested in the
1480
01:05:18,965 --> 01:05:20,827
answer.
1481
01:05:21,413 --> 01:05:23,965
So the more I've learned,
1482
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,896
the more I've
been disappointed.
1483
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,551
Wow.
1484
01:05:35,862 --> 01:05:39,000
- I'm-- I'm sorry.
- [David] No, it's, um...
1485
01:05:39,275 --> 01:05:41,068
For me, it's, um...
1486
01:05:41,137 --> 01:05:45,000
I do think it's taught
me a lot of empathy.
1487
01:05:45,827 --> 01:05:49,724
And I'm sorry that
the show tries to...
1488
01:05:49,793 --> 01:05:52,068
crush that.
1489
01:05:54,103 --> 01:05:56,206
[Mark] Mm-hm.
1490
01:05:58,827 --> 01:06:00,310
[sighs] You know,
what you just said,
1491
01:06:00,413 --> 01:06:03,241
- this Chris Hansen question
- - "Help me understand" --
1492
01:06:03,310 --> 01:06:06,000
and that never
being really answered,
1493
01:06:06,068 --> 01:06:09,862
'cause it's not really
about understanding,
1494
01:06:09,931 --> 01:06:11,310
that reminded me;
1495
01:06:11,413 --> 01:06:14,034
when you
look at stings --
1496
01:06:14,103 --> 01:06:19,413
you know, where predators
are confronted by hunters --
1497
01:06:21,137 --> 01:06:25,206
always, you find hunters
asking, time and again,
1498
01:06:25,275 --> 01:06:26,310
"Why?
1499
01:06:26,413 --> 01:06:28,758
Why did you do that?"
1500
01:06:28,827 --> 01:06:30,689
You know, "What do
you think would happen?
1501
01:06:30,758 --> 01:06:32,965
Why a child?"
1502
01:06:33,793 --> 01:06:35,793
And they keep asking the
question because there's never
1503
01:06:35,827 --> 01:06:39,000
an answer forthcoming;
there really never is.
1504
01:06:39,068 --> 01:06:42,275
And I wonder if that's maybe
because the predator themselves
1505
01:06:42,344 --> 01:06:45,655
- - himself, quite
often -- doesn't know.
1506
01:06:45,724 --> 01:06:48,896
Just doesn't know, you know?
1507
01:06:54,931 --> 01:06:58,896
But understanding is
not the goal of the show.
1508
01:07:15,827 --> 01:07:18,827
- [whispering] [indistinct].
- [dog footsteps]
1509
01:07:20,241 --> 01:07:22,310
[T Coy VO] I honestly didn't
even really realize that I was
1510
01:07:22,379 --> 01:07:25,724
a victim until I was in my 20s.
1511
01:07:25,793 --> 01:07:28,586
[David] I also didn't
realize until my 20s.
1512
01:07:28,655 --> 01:07:31,931
I watched To Catch a
Predator in my dorm room,
1513
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,931
and part of what my
fascination was with it...
1514
01:07:34,965 --> 01:07:36,896
- was...
- Watching them go down.
1515
01:07:36,965 --> 01:07:39,758
[David] Trying very
hard to understand...
1516
01:07:39,827 --> 01:07:42,344
how a human could do
this to another human.
1517
01:07:42,413 --> 01:07:43,620
[T Coy] Mm-hm.
1518
01:07:43,655 --> 01:07:46,241
- Especially a child.
- [David] Yeah.
1519
01:07:47,275 --> 01:07:50,103
Anyone, though.
1520
01:07:54,172 --> 01:07:58,551
The grin on
Skeeter's face is priceless.
1521
01:08:00,827 --> 01:08:02,931
[laughs]
1522
01:08:04,344 --> 01:08:07,068
I don't believe
anything he's saying.
1523
01:08:07,137 --> 01:08:11,931
He just got two hours of
free therapy with y'all.
1524
01:08:15,862 --> 01:08:20,103
God, he has, like, some
evil-lookin' fuckin' eyes.
1525
01:08:20,931 --> 01:08:22,241
[David] Yeah.
1526
01:08:25,655 --> 01:08:27,793
I mean, I haven't even
gotten this far yet,
1527
01:08:27,896 --> 01:08:29,758
because I'm just like...
1528
01:08:29,793 --> 01:08:30,793
"Whatev--"
You know what I mean?
1529
01:08:30,896 --> 01:08:33,137
Everybody likes to fuck.
1530
01:08:33,241 --> 01:08:35,068
I don't understand why...
1531
01:08:35,137 --> 01:08:36,896
I mean, I guess
sexual addiction is, like,
1532
01:08:36,965 --> 01:08:39,793
a real thing but...
1533
01:08:39,896 --> 01:08:40,827
[sighing] I don't know.
1534
01:08:40,896 --> 01:08:43,379
I don't know about this guy.
1535
01:08:44,137 --> 01:08:46,827
He was there to do it.
1536
01:08:46,896 --> 01:08:50,068
And he even
brought her alcohol.
1537
01:08:51,448 --> 01:08:54,000
Like, that's crazy.
1538
01:08:54,137 --> 01:08:55,931
[David] Mm.
1539
01:08:56,896 --> 01:08:58,965
Like, if you're
gonna let a kid...
1540
01:08:59,034 --> 01:09:01,724
if you're gonna listen to
a little kid's suggestion,
1541
01:09:01,793 --> 01:09:03,206
then...
1542
01:09:03,724 --> 01:09:06,034
I don't know, that's just...
1543
01:09:06,793 --> 01:09:08,931
dangerous.
1544
01:09:10,862 --> 01:09:12,344
But it is hard not
to feel bad for him.
1545
01:09:12,413 --> 01:09:14,137
Maybe that's why I don't
wanna watch-- maybe that's why
1546
01:09:14,206 --> 01:09:15,827
[chuckling] I, like, haven't...
1547
01:09:15,896 --> 01:09:17,896
gotten very far through this,
'cause I don't wanna sit here
1548
01:09:17,965 --> 01:09:20,448
and feel bad for him.
1549
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,206
I am a human, even
though I can be a bitch.
1550
01:09:26,655 --> 01:09:29,896
Like, I don't know
why I feel bad for him.
1551
01:09:31,103 --> 01:09:34,103
I guess 'cause it's sad.
1552
01:09:53,965 --> 01:09:56,620
[Chris] Hey,
Chris, nice to see you.
1553
01:09:56,689 --> 01:10:00,896
♪angelic harp music♪
1554
01:10:00,965 --> 01:10:02,172
Yeah.
1555
01:10:02,965 --> 01:10:05,965
Yeah, I've seen that.
That's great.
1556
01:10:06,827 --> 01:10:09,172
I used to remember all
the shoots and then...
1557
01:10:09,241 --> 01:10:11,689
they kind of fade together.
1558
01:10:11,758 --> 01:10:13,068
I'm sorry, David.
1559
01:10:13,137 --> 01:10:14,310
♪♪♪
1560
01:10:14,413 --> 01:10:17,206
[David] You've got
a little more room.
1561
01:10:19,137 --> 01:10:21,000
Keep going,
keep going, keep going.
1562
01:10:21,103 --> 01:10:22,862
Yup, oh, you're in.
1563
01:10:22,931 --> 01:10:24,689
Okay, you're good.
1564
01:10:24,758 --> 01:10:26,068
♪♪♪
1565
01:10:26,137 --> 01:10:27,034
[man] Do you want a water
next to your coffee cup?
1566
01:10:27,103 --> 01:10:29,103
That'd be awesome.
1567
01:10:29,965 --> 01:10:31,551
Thank you.
1568
01:10:33,275 --> 01:10:34,620
Who knew
1569
01:10:34,724 --> 01:10:36,068
that, at 64 years old,
1570
01:10:36,137 --> 01:10:39,034
I would have
three generations
1571
01:10:39,103 --> 01:10:41,689
of followers?
1572
01:10:41,965 --> 01:10:44,965
TruBlu is your home
for previous episodes of
1573
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,689
Takedown with
Chris Hansen,
1574
01:10:46,758 --> 01:10:48,137
documentary films,
1575
01:10:48,206 --> 01:10:50,517
and exclusive investigations.
1576
01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:54,206
[Chris VO] 400,000 subscribers
on the YouTube channel!
1577
01:10:55,413 --> 01:10:58,931
My audience is 75 to 15!
1578
01:10:58,965 --> 01:11:00,137
Very good!
1579
01:11:00,206 --> 01:11:02,068
[man] Really, that
was all fantastic.
1580
01:11:02,137 --> 01:11:03,758
Thank you.
1581
01:11:03,931 --> 01:11:05,137
I need a cup of coffee.
1582
01:11:05,206 --> 01:11:06,620
You guys want
something from Starbucks?
1583
01:11:06,655 --> 01:11:09,206
There you go.
You're very welcome.
1584
01:11:10,965 --> 01:11:12,793
[Shawn VO] Chris is
a news guy at heart.
1585
01:11:12,862 --> 01:11:14,931
You know, he really
wants to do news.
1586
01:11:14,965 --> 01:11:16,793
And, uh...
1587
01:11:16,862 --> 01:11:20,310
you know, when we can
afford to do it, we'll do it.
1588
01:11:20,862 --> 01:11:24,896
Tell me this isn't
the classic newsroom.
1589
01:11:26,034 --> 01:11:28,827
It'll look like Vice in here...
1590
01:11:28,931 --> 01:11:31,206
six months from now.
1591
01:11:34,241 --> 01:11:38,758
When BLM got popular, when
people got very upset with the
1592
01:11:38,827 --> 01:11:43,137
police, Hollywood
canceled all their crime shows,
1593
01:11:43,241 --> 01:11:46,586
and they canceled Cops,
and they canceled Live PD,
1594
01:11:46,655 --> 01:11:48,793
they canceled
Crime Watch Daily,
1595
01:11:48,896 --> 01:11:50,310
they canceled Paw Patrol
1596
01:11:50,413 --> 01:11:53,172
to show that they
don't support the police.
1597
01:11:53,275 --> 01:11:56,620
It's an evergreen genre;
people always wanna watch it.
1598
01:11:56,655 --> 01:11:59,137
People like to be
glad it's not them.
1599
01:11:59,241 --> 01:12:02,620
People like to compare
themselves to the depraved to
1600
01:12:02,689 --> 01:12:05,655
feel better about who they are.
1601
01:12:05,724 --> 01:12:07,862
I don't know what everyone's
motivation is for watching this
1602
01:12:07,931 --> 01:12:10,758
stuff, but there's
an audience for it.
1603
01:12:10,827 --> 01:12:15,103
So, I cherry-picked the most
revolutionary crime show,
1604
01:12:15,172 --> 01:12:17,310
and I went to my
friend Chris Hansen,
1605
01:12:17,413 --> 01:12:20,137
and we reinvented it.
1606
01:12:20,827 --> 01:12:22,896
We've become very good
at luring these men,
1607
01:12:22,965 --> 01:12:28,206
and we wanna make sure
all the prosecutions stick.
1608
01:12:30,068 --> 01:12:32,344
We're not gonna stop.
1609
01:12:32,413 --> 01:12:37,586
♪♪♪
1610
01:12:41,827 --> 01:12:43,620
[Chris VO] I think the
investigation we did in
1611
01:12:43,689 --> 01:12:48,241
Cambodia was
instrumental in my drive
1612
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:51,034
when it came to the
predator investigations,
1613
01:12:51,103 --> 01:12:52,482
without question.
1614
01:12:52,551 --> 01:12:55,724
Tonight, we take you
undercover, inside the world
1615
01:12:55,793 --> 01:12:59,206
of child sex trafficking,
a world in which, each year,
1616
01:12:59,275 --> 01:13:02,862
by some estimates, hundreds of
thousands of girls and boys are
1617
01:13:02,965 --> 01:13:06,862
bought, sold, or kidnapped,
and then forced to have sex
1618
01:13:06,931 --> 01:13:08,620
with grown men.
1619
01:13:08,655 --> 01:13:10,827
[Chris VO] This is the first
investigation that shocked the
1620
01:13:10,896 --> 01:13:12,758
conscience of our viewers.
1621
01:13:12,827 --> 01:13:14,758
[Chris VO in show] This
girl says she's nine.
1622
01:13:14,827 --> 01:13:17,241
She's joined by
another who says she's 10.
1623
01:13:17,310 --> 01:13:20,034
Both say they know how
to perform oral sex,
1624
01:13:20,103 --> 01:13:24,000
and they even tell us
how much it will cost.
1625
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:26,655
[Chris VO] And one of the
Americans who was caught in the
1626
01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:31,551
investigation was a
anesthesiologist in Guam.
1627
01:13:31,655 --> 01:13:34,586
We caught him on hidden camera
talking about how to have sex
1628
01:13:34,655 --> 01:13:37,724
with a child, and we
wanted to confront him.
1629
01:13:37,793 --> 01:13:40,000
We get on a plane,
fly to Guam,
1630
01:13:40,068 --> 01:13:42,793
go to the doctor's office,
go to the parking structure...
1631
01:13:42,862 --> 01:13:46,344
[clap] here comes
Jerry Albom.
1632
01:13:47,137 --> 01:13:50,206
My heart's in my
throat, and I'm gonna...
1633
01:13:50,275 --> 01:13:51,137
approach him.
1634
01:13:51,241 --> 01:13:52,551
[Chris] Hey, Dr. Albom?
1635
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:54,793
Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC.
How are you?
1636
01:13:54,827 --> 01:13:56,379
- Good, nice to meet you.
- [Chris] Good.
1637
01:13:56,448 --> 01:13:59,413
We're doing an investigation
into the trade of underage
1638
01:13:59,482 --> 01:14:02,517
prostitutes in Cambodia.
1639
01:14:02,620 --> 01:14:06,620
And we know that you've
frequented some of the places
1640
01:14:06,724 --> 01:14:08,000
in and around Phnom Penh,
1641
01:14:08,103 --> 01:14:09,413
with underage girls.
1642
01:14:09,482 --> 01:14:11,103
No.
1643
01:14:12,137 --> 01:14:14,448
Not to my knowledge.
1644
01:14:15,137 --> 01:14:16,758
[Chris] May I show
you a videotape?
1645
01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:18,275
Yes.
1646
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:20,103
[David VO] So this was
basically your first sting?
1647
01:14:20,172 --> 01:14:22,034
This was showing
them the chat logs?
1648
01:14:22,103 --> 01:14:23,655
[Chris VO] Right!
You've got one shot.
1649
01:14:23,758 --> 01:14:25,206
You've gotta get it.
1650
01:14:25,275 --> 01:14:27,931
And he came up with a
bunch of cockamamie excuses.
1651
01:14:27,965 --> 01:14:29,206
I was drunk or...
1652
01:14:29,275 --> 01:14:31,241
or may have been
slipped a pill, who knows?!
1653
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:32,275
That is not--
1654
01:14:32,344 --> 01:14:33,068
[Chris] Drunk or
slipped a pill?!
1655
01:14:33,137 --> 01:14:34,655
Right!
1656
01:14:34,689 --> 01:14:36,758
- That's your defense?
- Yes!
1657
01:14:36,827 --> 01:14:39,620
And it was an amazing
piece of television.
1658
01:14:39,689 --> 01:14:41,448
That story airs,
we're at the airport,
1659
01:14:41,482 --> 01:14:45,137
and some of the girls who had
been rescued show up in their
1660
01:14:45,241 --> 01:14:46,827
tuktuk taxi, and...
1661
01:14:46,896 --> 01:14:48,206
we all get banana splits.
1662
01:14:48,275 --> 01:14:50,586
And they were in a
much better place,
1663
01:14:50,655 --> 01:14:53,620
they looked great,
they're dressed properly,
1664
01:14:53,724 --> 01:14:56,310
they're taking classes.
1665
01:14:56,827 --> 01:14:59,172
It gets time for me
to board the plane,
1666
01:14:59,275 --> 01:15:03,724
and I look back at these
girls, and they're weeping.
1667
01:15:04,275 --> 01:15:07,793
It was one of those incredible
moments that reminds you
1668
01:15:07,896 --> 01:15:10,000
that somebody's life is better
1669
01:15:10,103 --> 01:15:13,206
because of the story we did.
1670
01:15:16,586 --> 01:15:20,206
I truly believe that's the kind
of reporting I'm supposed to be
1671
01:15:20,275 --> 01:15:23,551
doing.
1672
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:26,689
We've just taken it
to the next level.
1673
01:15:26,758 --> 01:15:28,344
[Chris] It sounds
like he's coming!
1674
01:15:28,413 --> 01:15:29,827
[officer] It sounds like it.
1675
01:15:29,862 --> 01:15:31,965
He wants to wait for the
sun to go down 'cause he's,
1676
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,827
- uh, nervous.
- He doesn't...
1677
01:15:33,862 --> 01:15:35,379
He wants to make sure
there's no cameras.
1678
01:15:35,448 --> 01:15:37,034
[officer] Correct.
1679
01:15:37,137 --> 01:15:39,551
[David VO] How do you feel
about the amateur predator
1680
01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:43,724
hunters that have been
directly inspired by you?
1681
01:15:43,793 --> 01:15:45,862
[Chris VO] I work
in conjunction with
1682
01:15:45,931 --> 01:15:47,620
law enforcement.
1683
01:15:47,896 --> 01:15:51,724
Vigilante predator catchers
are doing this for clicks
1684
01:15:51,793 --> 01:15:53,896
and profit.
1685
01:15:54,034 --> 01:15:57,724
What I do is for a
greater purpose.
1686
01:15:58,137 --> 01:16:02,000
[officer] Police, don't move
Police, don't move!
1687
01:16:02,068 --> 01:16:07,206
♪pensive ethereal music♪
1688
01:16:21,068 --> 01:16:24,551
Three, two, one...
[clap]
1689
01:16:26,103 --> 01:16:30,241
In my 20 years of investigating
predators seeking children for
1690
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:34,034
sex, I have come across a
number of cases where the
1691
01:16:34,103 --> 01:16:35,793
predator is 18.
1692
01:16:35,896 --> 01:16:37,758
Now, this could
be controversial;
1693
01:16:37,827 --> 01:16:41,344
a lot of people see it as a
Romeo and Juliet situation.
1694
01:16:41,413 --> 01:16:42,827
But it's illegal.
1695
01:16:42,862 --> 01:16:46,586
In this case, Hunter was a
little less than honest.
1696
01:16:46,655 --> 01:16:51,206
But he knew what he was
doing was against the law.
1697
01:17:00,103 --> 01:17:01,965
One for safety?
1698
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:03,620
[man] You got the
project name for me?
1699
01:17:03,724 --> 01:17:05,793
[Chris] Takedown: Hunter.
1700
01:17:05,896 --> 01:17:07,379
[man] Takedown: Hunter.
1701
01:17:07,448 --> 01:17:09,655
[Chris VO] When we look at
the final cut of Hunter,
1702
01:17:09,758 --> 01:17:11,551
we both need to be
sensitive to the fact that,
1703
01:17:11,620 --> 01:17:14,379
you know, this is
his age and all that.
1704
01:17:14,448 --> 01:17:16,137
Yeah...
1705
01:17:16,827 --> 01:17:18,896
But you were gentle, right?
You were gentle--
1706
01:17:18,965 --> 01:17:19,862
Yeah, you'll see it.
1707
01:17:19,931 --> 01:17:21,137
I mean, you'll have last...
1708
01:17:21,206 --> 01:17:23,965
last pass at it, and as will I.
1709
01:17:24,034 --> 01:17:26,689
Was 18-- who was
he there to meet?
1710
01:17:26,758 --> 01:17:28,206
A 15-year-old boy.
1711
01:17:28,275 --> 01:17:29,655
15 to 18.
1712
01:17:29,724 --> 01:17:31,931
Like, in Ohio, that's legal.
1713
01:17:31,965 --> 01:17:33,655
In Michigan,
apparently, it's not,
1714
01:17:33,689 --> 01:17:35,965
but they allow a three-year
spread for a senior to date a
1715
01:17:36,068 --> 01:17:37,172
- freshman.
- Right.
1716
01:17:37,275 --> 01:17:39,793
Um, so, it's like...
1717
01:17:39,862 --> 01:17:42,068
that must be a Michigan thing.
1718
01:17:42,137 --> 01:17:43,137
But...
1719
01:17:43,172 --> 01:17:44,931
it is what it is.
I mean, uh...
1720
01:17:44,965 --> 01:17:47,344
I think people
will be forgiving.
1721
01:17:47,448 --> 01:17:48,655
You know, I hope...
1722
01:17:48,758 --> 01:17:52,034
you know, hope we're
not ruining his life.
1723
01:17:53,965 --> 01:17:55,310
[click]
1724
01:17:55,413 --> 01:17:56,931
[Chris on computer] A task
force team member searches
1725
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,827
- Hunter for his wallet.
- Turn your volume up.
1726
01:17:59,931 --> 01:18:03,241
[Chris on computer] We
realize Hunter had been 18 for
1727
01:18:03,310 --> 01:18:04,586
some time.
1728
01:18:04,655 --> 01:18:08,413
It's time for
Hunter to take a seat.
1729
01:18:08,827 --> 01:18:13,862
The tears start flowing,
and the begging begins.
1730
01:18:14,241 --> 01:18:15,620
[Hunter on computer]
Please just don't ruin my life.
1731
01:18:15,689 --> 01:18:17,931
- Please.
- [overlapping chatter]
1732
01:18:17,965 --> 01:18:19,551
Please.
1733
01:18:24,620 --> 01:18:28,827
[woman VO] They asked
if I was Hunter's mom,
1734
01:18:28,896 --> 01:18:31,724
and I said that I was, and
they told me that he had been
1735
01:18:31,793 --> 01:18:33,551
arrested.
1736
01:18:34,413 --> 01:18:36,241
He only went three blocks away!
1737
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:37,034
[chuckles]
1738
01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:39,310
And he walked!
1739
01:18:40,551 --> 01:18:43,862
It was the summer before his
senior year in high school.
1740
01:18:43,931 --> 01:18:47,379
Top of his game in
choir and in drama,
1741
01:18:47,448 --> 01:18:48,758
and...
1742
01:18:48,827 --> 01:18:51,827
about to have the
year of his life.
1743
01:18:52,793 --> 01:18:57,965
I started getting
phone calls of people...
1744
01:18:58,931 --> 01:19:03,379
informing me that my son was
going to be on the next episode
1745
01:19:03,448 --> 01:19:06,137
that was airing.
1746
01:19:08,275 --> 01:19:10,862
In my head, I didn't believe
that they were actually going
1747
01:19:10,931 --> 01:19:14,103
to air this 18-year-old's...
1748
01:19:14,172 --> 01:19:15,586
mistake,
1749
01:19:15,655 --> 01:19:19,241
that Chris Hansen would
be willing to stoop so low
1750
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:21,103
for his show.
1751
01:19:21,241 --> 01:19:24,931
I just don't know how the
worst day of my life could be
1752
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,068
something that...
1753
01:19:30,724 --> 01:19:34,241
people are getting snacks for.
1754
01:19:35,827 --> 01:19:38,137
Hunter couldn't go
back to his high school.
1755
01:19:38,206 --> 01:19:40,000
He was being
charged with felonies,
1756
01:19:40,103 --> 01:19:43,068
and at the arraignment,
the judge explained to us
1757
01:19:43,137 --> 01:19:44,344
kind of his...
1758
01:19:44,448 --> 01:19:46,689
stipulations for Hunter,
1759
01:19:46,758 --> 01:19:49,965
and they included no contact
with any person under the
1760
01:19:50,034 --> 01:19:55,137
age of 17 without the presence
of a supervising adult.
1761
01:19:55,862 --> 01:19:59,000
Hunter could not be in the
same house alone with his
1762
01:19:59,103 --> 01:20:01,103
16-year-old brother.
1763
01:20:01,172 --> 01:20:02,758
No school.
1764
01:20:02,827 --> 01:20:04,000
No job.
1765
01:20:04,103 --> 01:20:06,517
He lived in his room.
1766
01:20:07,275 --> 01:20:10,241
And we tried to make it...
1767
01:20:11,172 --> 01:20:12,931
great.
1768
01:20:13,586 --> 01:20:18,068
And partly so that Hunter
had kind of like a haven,
1769
01:20:18,137 --> 01:20:22,000
we got heavy drapes
and we took down any...
1770
01:20:22,068 --> 01:20:24,758
identifiers outside the, um...
1771
01:20:24,827 --> 01:20:27,034
[door opens]
1772
01:20:28,344 --> 01:20:32,000
We took down any identifiers
outside of the house,
1773
01:20:32,034 --> 01:20:34,827
so that, um...
1774
01:20:34,896 --> 01:20:40,068
[Hunter sobbing in background]
1775
01:20:41,344 --> 01:20:42,931
[door opens]
1776
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:48,068
[sobbing continues]
1777
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,068
[whispering] Sorry.
1778
01:20:54,137 --> 01:20:59,241
[sobbing continues]
1779
01:21:13,793 --> 01:21:16,000
Do you want to go
talk to him?
1780
01:21:17,896 --> 01:21:20,655
[voice cracking] I don't
think he's cried since then.
1781
01:21:23,793 --> 01:21:26,310
[cries softly]
1782
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,517
I don't think
that, like, until...
1783
01:21:35,620 --> 01:21:38,931
right now, he's really
necessarily acknowledged what
1784
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,413
he's lost.
1785
01:21:40,482 --> 01:21:42,551
Um...
1786
01:21:43,724 --> 01:21:48,931
And, like, everything
that was taken from him.
1787
01:22:05,448 --> 01:22:08,137
[woman VO] I wish Chris...
1788
01:22:08,206 --> 01:22:12,965
could feel one
percent of our pain.
1789
01:22:15,931 --> 01:22:19,068
Even though it fixes nothing.
1790
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:28,931
[Shawn VO] By the way,
all the food's down there!
1791
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,310
All kinds of food, okay?
1792
01:22:31,724 --> 01:22:33,862
This is our third
network, and hopefully,
1793
01:22:33,896 --> 01:22:36,310
it earns a bunch of
advertiser revenue.
1794
01:22:36,344 --> 01:22:38,793
We put some fresh
episodes up, boom.
1795
01:22:38,862 --> 01:22:42,206
13.4 million views, two
million hours watched.
1796
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:44,379
We're gonna get the plaque
'cause we have over 100,000
1797
01:22:44,448 --> 01:22:46,758
subscribers, so that's good.
1798
01:22:46,827 --> 01:22:50,137
[Chris] This is the culmination
of 40 years of being a
1799
01:22:50,172 --> 01:22:52,344
television
journalist right here.
1800
01:22:52,448 --> 01:22:54,103
Everything I've done --
1801
01:22:54,172 --> 01:22:57,862
all the Emmys, all the
Edward R. Murrow awards,
1802
01:22:57,896 --> 01:23:01,931
- all the years at NBC
- - all led to this.
1803
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,000
- [button] [indistinct].
- [Chris] Let's go!
1804
01:23:04,103 --> 01:23:07,413
[cheers and applause]
1805
01:23:09,137 --> 01:23:10,827
[gunfire on TV]
1806
01:23:10,896 --> 01:23:13,344
[man on TV] Suspect is
armed and extremely dangerous.
1807
01:23:13,413 --> 01:23:14,724
[Chris on TV] I'm Chris Hansen.
1808
01:23:14,793 --> 01:23:16,172
I am Chris Hansen.
1809
01:23:16,275 --> 01:23:21,413
♪cool rock music playing♪
1810
01:23:26,275 --> 01:23:29,827
[cheers and applause]
1811
01:23:29,931 --> 01:23:34,241
♪pensive synth music♪
1812
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:36,068
[man] I've been watching
your show since I was like 10.
1813
01:23:36,137 --> 01:23:38,310
[Chris] Oh, wow!
Thank you!
1814
01:23:38,379 --> 01:23:39,448
Well, thank you!
1815
01:23:39,517 --> 01:23:41,793
- Where are you from?
- [woman] Atlanta.
1816
01:23:41,862 --> 01:23:43,241
- Thank you very much.
- It's so nice to meet you.
1817
01:23:43,310 --> 01:23:45,034
Nice to see you too.
Thanks for being here.
1818
01:23:45,103 --> 01:23:46,275
[laughs]
1819
01:23:46,344 --> 01:23:49,724
[Dani] Hey, Chris!
Long time, no see!
1820
01:23:49,793 --> 01:23:52,103
18 years later!
1821
01:23:53,862 --> 01:23:55,206
[woman] You are my
true crime star.
1822
01:23:55,310 --> 01:23:56,862
Oh, well, thank you.
1823
01:23:56,965 --> 01:23:58,379
[Swanson] We're gonna dedicate
this to all the victims that we
1824
01:23:58,482 --> 01:23:59,448
pour our life into.
1825
01:23:59,517 --> 01:24:01,000
Appreciate you.
Take care.
1826
01:24:01,103 --> 01:24:03,689
[man over PA] Chris Hansen
and the Sheriff of Genesee
1827
01:24:03,724 --> 01:24:06,000
County, Michigan,
Chris Swanson!
1828
01:24:06,103 --> 01:24:09,827
[cheers and applause]
1829
01:24:09,931 --> 01:24:11,965
[Chris on TV] John...
1830
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,172
John...
1831
01:24:13,241 --> 01:24:16,689
- [audience laughter]
- John...
1832
01:24:16,724 --> 01:24:18,965
There's cameras
everywhere, John.
1833
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,793
- John...
- [John talking indistinctly]
1834
01:24:20,862 --> 01:24:23,827
[Chris on TV] No, you're
not in charge here, John.
1835
01:24:23,896 --> 01:24:25,034
The cameras aren't
gonna get turned off,
1836
01:24:25,103 --> 01:24:26,793
so that's not on the table.
1837
01:24:26,862 --> 01:24:29,655
'Cause we're here
covering the commission of an
1838
01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:31,034
- alleged felony.
- [John on TV] You are?
1839
01:24:31,137 --> 01:24:32,137
[Chris on TV] Yeah.
1840
01:24:32,206 --> 01:24:34,379
John, I have seen
the transcripts!
1841
01:24:34,482 --> 01:24:35,862
[audience laughter]
1842
01:24:35,965 --> 01:24:37,793
[cheers and applause]
1843
01:24:37,862 --> 01:24:39,931
[Swanson] Telling and
showing the identity of these
1844
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,862
individuals that
they're exposed is so vital!
1845
01:24:43,931 --> 01:24:48,172
I would trade two years of him
in prison to have this any day
1846
01:24:48,206 --> 01:24:49,586
of the week.
1847
01:24:49,655 --> 01:24:52,793
But there is one group of
law enforcement that we need
1848
01:24:52,827 --> 01:24:55,344
that's more
important than you and I,
1849
01:24:55,448 --> 01:24:57,620
and that is all of you.
1850
01:24:57,689 --> 01:25:00,206
The times that you
share a TruBlu episode,
1851
01:25:00,310 --> 01:25:04,275
the stories that you tell to
your friends and families,
1852
01:25:04,344 --> 01:25:07,689
you are the best law
enforcement tool in America.
1853
01:25:07,793 --> 01:25:12,931
[cheers and applause]
1854
01:25:14,448 --> 01:25:19,586
♪pensive ethereal music♪
1855
01:25:25,137 --> 01:25:28,862
[Mark VO] Maybe the appeal of a
show like this is that it's a
1856
01:25:28,931 --> 01:25:31,793
world of good versus evil,
1857
01:25:31,827 --> 01:25:35,413
and you know
what side you're on.
1858
01:25:37,344 --> 01:25:40,344
It's an empowering
way to live,
1859
01:25:40,413 --> 01:25:43,586
especially if you're a victim.
1860
01:25:47,241 --> 01:25:50,068
It helps you turn the tables.
1861
01:25:50,137 --> 01:25:55,241
♪♪♪
1862
01:25:57,103 --> 01:26:00,034
And thereby, hopefully...
1863
01:26:00,448 --> 01:26:03,448
you can heal...
1864
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,413
a wound.
1865
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,827
[David] Do you feel any
closer to understanding how...
1866
01:26:17,931 --> 01:26:21,000
this happens to children?
1867
01:26:21,103 --> 01:26:23,068
Uh, not...
[sighs]
1868
01:26:23,137 --> 01:26:27,655
I've never heard an explanation
from a predator I've caught...
1869
01:26:27,758 --> 01:26:29,793
that justified the action.
1870
01:26:29,862 --> 01:26:32,965
[David] Not justifies it; I
don't think it's justifiable.
1871
01:26:33,034 --> 01:26:34,793
I mean to explain it.
1872
01:26:34,862 --> 01:26:37,172
Something that
helps make sense of it.
1873
01:26:37,275 --> 01:26:40,206
It never makes sense to me; I
can't get my arms around it.
1874
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:42,413
And I think that's why we
have such a difficult time in
1875
01:26:42,482 --> 01:26:44,206
society...
1876
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:45,620
dealing with this issue.
1877
01:26:45,689 --> 01:26:49,620
- We want simple solutions
- - lock 'em up forever,
1878
01:26:49,689 --> 01:26:52,793
give 'em the pill that
stops them from doing this,
1879
01:26:52,862 --> 01:26:55,172
or, uh, get 'em in the
appropriate therapy.
1880
01:26:55,241 --> 01:26:56,827
But there are different guys.
1881
01:26:56,896 --> 01:26:59,965
You have some hardcore
predators who would be doing
1882
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,620
this with or
without the internet.
1883
01:27:01,689 --> 01:27:05,965
And then, you've got the young
opportunists -- early 20s,
1884
01:27:06,034 --> 01:27:09,724
have a hard time socializing
with other men or women.
1885
01:27:09,827 --> 01:27:12,793
And I think the third group of
men are guys who wouldn't be
1886
01:27:12,862 --> 01:27:15,827
offending without the
internet -- the 24/7 access,
1887
01:27:15,862 --> 01:27:20,103
the anonymity, and the
addictive nature of this.
1888
01:27:20,896 --> 01:27:22,586
[David] To play
Devil's Advocate, though,
1889
01:27:22,655 --> 01:27:25,965
you described three very
different kinds of predators.
1890
01:27:26,034 --> 01:27:27,068
Absolutely.
1891
01:27:27,137 --> 01:27:28,965
[David] All of
whom, on your show,
1892
01:27:29,034 --> 01:27:31,137
will face the same
kind of punishment.
1893
01:27:31,206 --> 01:27:32,448
As they should!
1894
01:27:32,517 --> 01:27:34,586
I mean, the law is
the law in these cases.
1895
01:27:34,655 --> 01:27:37,758
[David] Right, but legal
punishment isn't the only kind
1896
01:27:37,827 --> 01:27:39,551
of punishment here.
1897
01:27:39,655 --> 01:27:43,310
You and Shawn were having a
disagreement about one of the
1898
01:27:43,379 --> 01:27:45,862
recent episodes of
the show that you did
1899
01:27:45,931 --> 01:27:48,862
with Hunter, the 18 year old.
1900
01:27:48,896 --> 01:27:51,724
It really wasn't so
much a disagreement,
1901
01:27:51,793 --> 01:27:55,655
when it came to the 18-year-old
caught in this investigation.
1902
01:27:55,689 --> 01:27:59,758
Ultimately, we
agreed and decided to...
1903
01:27:59,827 --> 01:28:02,413
take the episode down
because he had entered
1904
01:28:02,482 --> 01:28:03,827
into a...
1905
01:28:03,931 --> 01:28:05,448
you know, sort of a...
1906
01:28:05,517 --> 01:28:07,689
an agreement with the court
that if he didn't reoffend,
1907
01:28:07,724 --> 01:28:10,034
his record would
be wiped clean.
1908
01:28:10,103 --> 01:28:12,517
And so, the decision was made
to give him a second chance in
1909
01:28:12,586 --> 01:28:16,310
terms of his exposure, and I'm
comfortable in that decision.
1910
01:28:16,586 --> 01:28:20,103
[David] I think the issue that
if you Google this kid's name,
1911
01:28:20,172 --> 01:28:22,689
it's the first five
pages of the internet
1912
01:28:22,793 --> 01:28:24,103
because of the show.
1913
01:28:24,172 --> 01:28:26,172
So there's no
wiping of that record.
1914
01:28:26,241 --> 01:28:30,172
That's, in a sense, permanent.
1915
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:32,586
Permanent for now.
1916
01:28:33,206 --> 01:28:35,241
It goes away.
1917
01:28:39,827 --> 01:28:43,172
[David] Some people watching
this may feel like you have
1918
01:28:43,275 --> 01:28:45,931
something to answer for --
1919
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,793
that this genre of TV you've
helped make doesn't deter
1920
01:28:49,862 --> 01:28:53,000
criminals, or get to the
bottom of their crimes,
1921
01:28:53,103 --> 01:28:55,068
it just helps us enjoy it.
1922
01:28:55,172 --> 01:28:58,413
And I make documentaries too,
so I'm not just coming after
1923
01:28:58,482 --> 01:28:59,862
you here.
1924
01:28:59,931 --> 01:29:03,000
But we make TV, and we
point cameras at something,
1925
01:29:03,103 --> 01:29:05,689
and the trauma continues.
1926
01:29:05,793 --> 01:29:07,965
What do you say to that?
1927
01:29:08,034 --> 01:29:09,655
I understand your point.
1928
01:29:09,724 --> 01:29:13,137
[clears throat]
And it's a valid point.
1929
01:29:13,172 --> 01:29:15,275
But...
1930
01:29:16,827 --> 01:29:21,931
you don't know how many times
someone has come up to me --
1931
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,793
at a store,
1932
01:29:23,862 --> 01:29:25,241
at a restaurant,
1933
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:26,931
on the street --
1934
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,103
and said to me,
"Thank you for what you do.
1935
01:29:30,172 --> 01:29:34,000
I was victimized by an
adult when I was a child --
1936
01:29:34,068 --> 01:29:38,310
traumatized in
a way that has...
1937
01:29:38,379 --> 01:29:40,827
forced me to be in
therapy to this very day.
1938
01:29:40,862 --> 01:29:44,655
And every time you
confront a predator,
1939
01:29:44,758 --> 01:29:46,862
it makes me feel better."
1940
01:29:46,931 --> 01:29:49,172
I understand people saying,
1941
01:29:49,275 --> 01:29:52,068
"You push it too far.
1942
01:29:53,034 --> 01:29:54,827
You...
1943
01:29:55,275 --> 01:29:58,172
take a man at his worst,
1944
01:29:58,206 --> 01:30:00,137
and you put
him on television.
1945
01:30:00,206 --> 01:30:02,103
You shame him."
1946
01:30:02,172 --> 01:30:04,724
I'm okay with that;
I'll take that criticism.
1947
01:30:04,793 --> 01:30:08,379
But for every human being who
comes up to me to tell me their
1948
01:30:08,448 --> 01:30:10,862
story about being a survivor,
1949
01:30:10,965 --> 01:30:16,275
this particular investigative
franchise is for them.
1950
01:30:17,034 --> 01:30:18,689
And I'm okay with that.
1951
01:30:18,793 --> 01:30:20,379
And if that's my legacy,
1952
01:30:20,448 --> 01:30:22,827
very comfortable.
1953
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,965
[David] I'm a survivor.
1954
01:30:25,034 --> 01:30:27,103
I was seven years old.
1955
01:30:27,172 --> 01:30:28,275
And...
1956
01:30:28,344 --> 01:30:30,034
I didn't realize it
as a young adult,
1957
01:30:30,068 --> 01:30:33,758
but one of the reasons that I
watched your show was for that
1958
01:30:33,827 --> 01:30:35,172
moment,
1959
01:30:35,206 --> 01:30:38,137
when you sit down with these
men and you ask them
1960
01:30:38,206 --> 01:30:40,000
why they're here.
1961
01:30:40,068 --> 01:30:43,724
What could bring
them to do this?
1962
01:30:43,827 --> 01:30:46,931
And it took me a long time
to realize that that's what I
1963
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,034
wanted from your show.
1964
01:30:49,137 --> 01:30:52,241
In many ways, you are who...
1965
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:55,103
we do this for.
1966
01:30:55,344 --> 01:30:59,275
I had no idea,
getting into this,
1967
01:30:59,344 --> 01:31:02,551
what it would become,
the impact it would have.
1968
01:31:02,620 --> 01:31:06,689
And it sends a message that we
will stand up for the survivor.
1969
01:31:06,793 --> 01:31:10,931
And that is a big part of what
we do in this particular series
1970
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,586
of investigations.
1971
01:31:21,965 --> 01:31:25,137
[David] Chris, you're
obviously free to go.
1972
01:31:25,275 --> 01:31:26,827
You're free to-- [laughs]
1973
01:31:26,896 --> 01:31:29,931
"What happens next?"
"That's not up to me."
1974
01:31:31,344 --> 01:31:32,931
- Guys, thank you!
- [man] Thank you.
1975
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:33,965
[Chris] Appreciate it.
1976
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:34,896
Great work, guys.
Thank you.
1977
01:31:34,965 --> 01:31:37,034
Nice to see ya.
1978
01:31:37,137 --> 01:31:39,448
Here's our pretend kitchen.
1979
01:31:57,827 --> 01:32:00,241
[ding]
1980
01:32:25,103 --> 01:32:30,275
♪pensive ethereal music♪
1981
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,931
[ding]
1982
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:46,137
♪♪♪
1983
01:33:29,862 --> 01:33:34,931
[distant sirens]
1984
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,931
[producer]
That's a cut for A and B.
1985
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,137
David, you good?
1986
01:33:55,137 --> 01:33:58,103
You get everything you want?
1987
01:34:11,724 --> 01:34:16,931
♪serene synth music♪