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Anderson Silva
versus Chael Sonnen,
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the Fake Guy versus the Bad Guy!
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No one is as good
at selling a fight
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as the bad guy.
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Chael understood, "I don't
care if you don't like me.
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"I don't care
if you don't like what I say.
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"I care that you wanna watch."
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I got the biggest arms,
I got the greatest charm,
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and I do all the harm!
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The greatest trash-talker
that MMA has ever seen.
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I'm gonna put him
on his prissy little ass.
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Chael was surgically
launching very strategic mortars
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into that other camp to see
what kind of reaction he got.
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Sometimes,
he crosses a line.
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You tell Anderson Silva
I'm coming over
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and I'm pattin'
his old lady on the ass,
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and I'm tellin' her
to make me a steak.
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Chael talk
a lot of shit.
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I just think,
"I go kill this guy."
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I'm here purely to win
the world championship.
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Getting to beat up Anderson
is just a bonus.
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But in the Octagon...
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Five rounds,
punching hard in my head,
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punching hard in my body,
it's insane.
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...he walks the walk.
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He put himself on the map
last week
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saying some crazy shit,
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and he put himself on the map
tonight doing some crazy shit.
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Until MMA's
favourite character...
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You looked at his fights
and there were just moments
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that he seemed to freeze.
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What the hell
just happened?
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...begins showing
a lack of character.
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Chael Sonnen's claim
that he had the okay
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to do testosterone replacement
therapy in California...
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the commission says
that's a total lie.
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He was willing
to take that risk.
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I don't wanna
say anything to you
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that comes off as an excuse.
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I... I am guilty.
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Is performative
transparency
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Chael Sonnen's deliverance?
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I am so impressed
by his ability
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to be able to completely
dodge trouble
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at almost every turn.
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I call him the Teflon Don.
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Or is it
a career-limiting trap?
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He is who he is.
He's a persona.
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Do you leave with any regrets?
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No, no.
I loved every minute.
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This is different.
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Is his life starting
to go off the rails?
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You have the right
to remain silent.
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Anything you say can be used
against you in a court of law.
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Episode 204, Chael Sonnen.
Take one. Mark.
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Oh, we've started.
This is it.
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We're doing it.
Alright, I'm ready.
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There's a relief to just tell
the story the way it happened.
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In 1993, I went with
my buddy to a local video store,
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and we rented something called
Ultimate Fighting Championship.
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My dad had always told me
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that the baddest dude
in the room is the boxer.
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The next closest
is the wrestler.
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You don't have to worry about
these karate guys.
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And right on the cover it says,
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"No rules. No time limits.
No judges."
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I remember seeing that
and going, "No, no, no,
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"whoever is best at this, that's
the toughest guy in the world."
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And I told my dad, "I know
what I wanna do with my life."
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My name's Chael Sonnen.
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I'm the greatest fighter
of all time.
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Chael
was a real mama's boy.
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And I used to say to him
when he was first grade,
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"Are you gonna sit on my lap
when you're 16 years old?"
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"Yes, I am, Mom."
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"Are you gonna sit on my lap
when you're married?"
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"Yes, I am, Mom."
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I'm Claudia Sonnen,
mother of Chael Sonnen.
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And to the world, he might
be known as "the Bad Guy."
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To his family,
he is known as the best guy.
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Chael grows up
in West Linn,
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an upscale suburb
of Portland, Oregon,
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countering the adage
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that it takes hard times
to make hard people.
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Chael's dad, Pat, was
a hardworking blue-collar guy,
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took a plumbing company
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and built that into a
real estate development company,
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and was able to build
some pretty substantial wealth.
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I was born in West Linn
and I will die in West Linn.
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I had a great upbringing.
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I was from the other side
of the tracks.
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I was born rich.
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Chael was
a really good kid.
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You know, I just didn't have
a whole lot of worries.
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He was very popular at school.
Kids liked him.
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I loved wrestling
'cause my father wrestled,
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and my uncles wrestled,
and all my cousins wrestled,
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and I was the youngest,
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so I just thought that's
what you were supposed to do.
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And when Chael
shows potential,
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his dad invests in it.
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I was one of his
plumbers' assistants.
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His dad said, uh,
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"You know, hey, you're
a very accomplished wrestler,
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"and my son has high,
lofty goals in wrestling.
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"Would you train him privately?
Would you work with him?"
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I'm Matt Lindland,
and I've had some success
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in the sport of wrestling.
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I got the opportunity to coach
Chael when he was a young man.
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He was in high school.
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He was just
in his formative years.
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He's a great athlete.
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Incredible athlete.
He's an intelligent boy.
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He had all the opportunities.
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You know, his dad could go out
and hire private coaches
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for him, could send him
to the best training camps.
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He took him to these rougher
environments so he could--
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he could toughen Chael up
a little bit.
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At 16,
Chael qualifies
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for the Oregon State Tournament.
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Chael's out there
wrestling Jim Koontz.
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And Jim's a tough, rough kid
from Roseburg,
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a logging town down south.
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He's punching Chael,
headbutting him,
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beating him up.
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Chael's, "Ow!
Time out, time out!
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"I need a little break."
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I walk over, he's like,
"He's hurting me, Coach."
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And I'm like,
"Hurt him back, dude.
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"Hurt him back."
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You have to learn
how to be tough.
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You gotta learn how to fight
through adversity
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and a little struggle.
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After Chael loses,
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Matt knows he needs to teach
his student to harden up.
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He enters Chael into
a competition
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where the lessons
will be hands-on.
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I sent him out to Arizona.
It's the Sunkist Open.
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Chael and I are the same weight.
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I've been training him.
I've been coaching him.
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But I also trained
alongside him.
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I was the youngest guy
in this tournament,
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and Matt comes over to
warm up with me, and he says,
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"You haven't seen
the bracket yet, have ya?"
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And I go, "Yeah, dude,
you got the toughest guy
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"in the weight class."
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And he looks at me and goes,
"I'm wrestling you, aren't I?"
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I go, "Yeah, first round."
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I am for sure not
going to beat Matt Lindland.
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In wrestling,
if you're ten points ahead,
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they'll stop the match.
It's called a technical fall.
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All Matt needs is one point
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and they're going to
stop this match.
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He elects
to pick me up off the mat,
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turn me around, and throw me in
what's called a belly-to-back.
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Now, that is the most supreme
move in all of wrestling.
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So, he gets one for the lift,
five for the throw.
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The score is now 15-0.
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The maximum score the sport
even allows you to be is 10-0.
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And he was just so like,
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"You didn't need to do that."
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And I was like,
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"I didn't need to,
but you needed me to do that."
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Matt taught me
there that day,
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you gotta beat whoever is across
from you, no matter what.
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No friends from nine to five.
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That lesson
propels Chael
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to a college wrestling
scholarship.
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He's an All-American
at the University of Oregon,
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despite never
winning a national title.
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I knew my clock
was running out.
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After college,
in the sport of wrestling,
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when you're out of eligibility,
you're done,
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whether you're ready
to retire or not,
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so I really wanted
to go into MMA.
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To do that,
he needs to acquire
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more combat sport skills.
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I signed up
for a kickboxing class.
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And one day the coach said,
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"Hey, I'm getting a call
from a promoter.
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"Who wants to fight?"
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And some of us
threw our hands up,
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and I was one of those guys.
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On May 10th, 1997,
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college sophomore Chael Sonnen
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steps into the MMA ring
for the first time.
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My dad didn't come.
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He was laser-focused on
wrestling and wanted me to be.
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And my mom filmed
the whole thing.
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As soon as I throw a punch
and I look for the other guy,
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I mean, it doesn't even
come close to landing.
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So, that's really what prompted
me to go for the takedowns.
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It was no different
when we got to the ground.
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I didn't know
what to do there, either.
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Chael scraps his way
to a win
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by unanimous decision.
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When I got home
and my dad saw that video,
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like, his reaction was
totally different than any...
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any wrestling match.
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He must have watched
that thing 100 times.
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He would show everybody
this fight.
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And I'm getting told,
"Good job."
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And I liked that.
It felt good.
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So does winning
in front of a crowd,
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something missing
at wrestling matches.
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The only ones that know
is those there on your team.
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Nobody else is gonna see it.
The internet wasn't a thing.
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You know, nobody's
gonna hear about it, so...
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MMA was different.
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People were watching.
People paid attention.
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I've known Chael
since he was in high school.
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I was trying to recruit him
as a wrestler
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to come wrestle for me
at Oregon State.
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I'm Randy Couture.
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I'm an MMA champion,
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and I'm a longtime friend
of Chael Sonnen.
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I remember
after the fight,
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I remember
telling Randy about it.
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And I told him,
"There was 500 people there!"
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Like, I never even
got into the fight.
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I was just telling him
how many people there were.
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And that was
a really cool thing.
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In 2000,
Couture and elite wrestlers
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Dan Henderson and Matt Lindland
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join forces
to create Team Quest.
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Team Quest
is one of the very first
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mixed martial arts
training centres,
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and we were attracting
a lot of the best fighters
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from that whole region,
the Pacific Northwest.
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Chael showed up
and wanted to be a part of it.
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I wanna demonstrate
today is a great way
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to get to a front
headlock position.
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Me, Danny, and Matt
all saw this amazing talent.
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Feel that off balance?
Snap him down.
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I've gotta cover him quick.
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This guy that had
the capability of literally
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taking the world
by the cojones.
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In 2002,
Chael goes undefeated,
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winning five pro MMA bouts.
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The same year, his father
receives devastating news.
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Pat was a busy man.
He's in his 50s.
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He needed to get
his colon checked.
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When he finally got it checked,
they're like,
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"Yeah, you got colon cancer.
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"You're gonna pass away soon."
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Just two months
after the diagnosis,
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56-year-old Patrick Sonnen dies.
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Chael is only 25.
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Yeah, that's a tough one.
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You know, losing a parent's
a very tough one.
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I know other people
go through it at...
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at younger ages, but, uh...
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you know, yeah,
that's a tough one.
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Over the next
three years,
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Chael chases fights
across multiple states
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and all the way to Japan.
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His record
grows to 15, 6, and 1.
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I fought like 20 men
at that point,
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finding promoters and begging
them to give me an opportunity.
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Then at 28...
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Chael Sonnen
is an excellent wrestler
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known for his speed
and tenacity.
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...a chance spot
opens up in the UFC.
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It was huge!
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I got that fight largely
because it was short notice.
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His opponent,
Renato "Babalu" Sobral,
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a rising star many believe is
destined to become a champion.
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Nobody wanted
to fight Babalu,
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and whoever
his opponent was pulled out.
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And it's completely sold out.
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I've never seen
a crowd like this,
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and they put us
on the main card.
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Big right hand
by Babalu.
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Chael even impresses
the voice of the UFC
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with his performance.
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Shows a good chin.
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Whoa, nice reversal by Chael!
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And as the momentum
is going my way,
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I had a very hard time
of accepting that.
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Chael showing
a lot of heart,
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absorbing that kick.
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I remember
the entire time
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waiting for him to win.
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Like, I had all these things
aside from,
285
00:12:42,011 --> 00:12:43,763
"Maybe old Chael's
gonna win this fight tonight."
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Looks like
he's got a triangle here.
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He's caught!
He got him!
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I tapped out to Babalu.
Babalu won that fight.
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00:12:52,647 --> 00:12:55,191
Losing to Babalu
proves more than just a setback.
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Two fights later, following
another defeat at UFC 60,
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Chael is released.
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00:13:02,407 --> 00:13:04,868
I knew that I had
some kind of a block.
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00:13:06,286 --> 00:13:09,371
I went and got a sports
psychologist and said,
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"Can you help me?"
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One thing that I learned
through the process is that
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we are who we pretend to be.
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And you will never go far enough
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if you're not willing
to go too far.
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Then I went on my run.
300
00:13:22,719 --> 00:13:26,514
Chael... Sonnen!
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00:13:27,849 --> 00:13:29,141
It really just felt like
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00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:30,977
winning was the only thing
that mattered.
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00:13:37,484 --> 00:13:39,276
When Chael Sonnen
gets submitted
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00:13:39,277 --> 00:13:41,696
by Jeremy Horn at UFC 60...
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00:13:42,447 --> 00:13:44,407
From one attempt
to the other, it's all over!
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00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:46,450
...the soft-spoken
rich kid from Oregon
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quietly exits the promotion.
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00:13:48,495 --> 00:13:51,497
When Chael first
came into the UFC,
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he was dressed
in a suit and tie.
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He hardly said
anything outside of,
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00:13:57,212 --> 00:13:59,005
"Yes, sir.
Thank you, sir."
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That was it.
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00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:04,552
My name's John McCarthy.
I'm known as Big John McCarthy,
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00:14:04,677 --> 00:14:07,763
and fortunately
or unfortunately,
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00:14:07,764 --> 00:14:10,475
one of the two, I've known
Chael Sonnen for a long time.
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00:14:12,227 --> 00:14:13,769
I'd say,
"Man, he's a nice guy."
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00:14:13,770 --> 00:14:15,397
He's surrounded by good people.
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00:14:15,522 --> 00:14:16,856
He just doesn't stand out.
319
00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:21,569
He doesn't have that flashy
style that makes you go, "Wow."
320
00:14:21,695 --> 00:14:23,696
You ready?
Let's fight!
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00:14:23,697 --> 00:14:27,324
Out of the UFC,
but not out of the sport,
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00:14:27,325 --> 00:14:30,328
Chael wins four straight
fights in BodogFIGHT...
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00:14:31,121 --> 00:14:33,998
And just like that,
in an eye blink, it's over!
324
00:14:33,999 --> 00:14:35,290
...and wins
two of three
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00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,377
in World Extreme Cagefighting.
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00:14:39,421 --> 00:14:40,921
That was Chael on fire.
327
00:14:40,922 --> 00:14:43,841
That was Chael doing every
single thing he'd trained to do,
328
00:14:43,842 --> 00:14:45,468
and it went his way.
329
00:14:45,593 --> 00:14:47,762
All the way
back to the UFC,
330
00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:50,597
where he wins three
of his next four fights.
331
00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:52,434
Tremendous
performance tonight.
332
00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:54,602
I think you opened up
a lotta eyes. Congratulations.
333
00:14:54,728 --> 00:14:56,270
Look forward
to seeing you again.
334
00:14:56,271 --> 00:14:58,188
Chael Sonnen,
ladies and gentlemen!
335
00:14:58,189 --> 00:15:00,232
I wanted to be
world champion.
336
00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:01,609
That never changed for me.
337
00:15:03,653 --> 00:15:05,779
His chance arrives
with a potentially
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00:15:05,780 --> 00:15:10,368
life-changing offer from
the UFC's top decision-maker.
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00:15:10,493 --> 00:15:13,037
I got a phone call
that I did not recognize,
340
00:15:13,038 --> 00:15:14,331
and I answered it.
341
00:15:14,456 --> 00:15:16,416
And the voice says,
"Hey, it's Dana."
342
00:15:18,835 --> 00:15:22,838
And he says, "You wanna fight
Anderson Silva?"
343
00:15:22,839 --> 00:15:25,049
And I said, "Yeah, I'll fight
Anderson Silva."
344
00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:27,676
And he said, "Good, 'cause
I just went on SportsCenter
345
00:15:27,677 --> 00:15:28,595
"and announced it."
346
00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,513
You look at a guy
like Anderson Silva,
347
00:15:30,638 --> 00:15:33,015
his next fight's gonna be
against Chael Sonnen.
348
00:15:33,016 --> 00:15:36,518
Anderson Silva is
the UFC's middleweight champion,
349
00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:39,188
widely considered
the best fighter in the world
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00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:40,898
in any weight class.
351
00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:43,400
I was just one of
the guys on the roster.
352
00:15:43,401 --> 00:15:44,986
This is the guy.
353
00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:47,405
He was almost
this fictional character.
354
00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:49,991
And I had one opportunity.
355
00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:52,034
It's right now.
356
00:15:52,035 --> 00:15:53,370
Anderson Silva, take one.
357
00:15:53,495 --> 00:15:55,245
Mark.
358
00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:59,459
I'm in the good moment
in my career inside UFC.
359
00:15:59,584 --> 00:16:03,713
I just win a lot of fights
and nobody can beat me.
360
00:16:06,383 --> 00:16:10,719
I'm Anderson Silva,
professional MMA fighter.
361
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,054
It's honour for me.
362
00:16:12,055 --> 00:16:13,431
Loyalty and honour.
363
00:16:15,183 --> 00:16:17,768
For many, many years,
Chael Sonnen...
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00:16:17,769 --> 00:16:19,437
bad part in my life.
365
00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:22,482
He called me up,
he's like,
366
00:16:22,607 --> 00:16:25,110
"Oh man, I'm so excited they're
giving me a shot at the title.
367
00:16:25,235 --> 00:16:26,694
"I'm gonna
make the most of this."
368
00:16:26,695 --> 00:16:28,655
And I'm thinking to myself,
"Well, of course you are."
369
00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:30,781
We knew what we were in for,
for sure.
370
00:16:30,782 --> 00:16:32,909
But, you know,
we also were confident
371
00:16:33,034 --> 00:16:35,661
in Chael's ability
and what Chael was capable of.
372
00:16:35,662 --> 00:16:37,830
But what comes
as a total surprise
373
00:16:37,831 --> 00:16:40,624
is his new attitude
on the media circuit.
374
00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:42,085
I heard
his first interview,
375
00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:44,211
and I was like,
"Who was that?"
376
00:16:44,212 --> 00:16:45,922
Who knows
what Anderson's doing.
377
00:16:46,047 --> 00:16:49,425
That guy's no more
the top fighter out there
378
00:16:49,426 --> 00:16:51,385
than Bigfoot
is roaming the woods.
379
00:16:51,386 --> 00:16:53,137
That is an absolute myth.
380
00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:54,638
I didn't even think
it was Chael.
381
00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:56,724
I was like, "What the hell?"
382
00:16:56,725 --> 00:16:59,893
Anderson Silva is easily
the most unpopular fighter
383
00:16:59,894 --> 00:17:00,978
in this company.
384
00:17:00,979 --> 00:17:02,980
And then, "I'm gonna
make the most of this"
385
00:17:02,981 --> 00:17:04,815
really stuck out in my mind.
386
00:17:04,816 --> 00:17:06,859
This is what
he was talking about.
387
00:17:06,860 --> 00:17:09,403
I don't wanna fight Anderson.
I wanna beat him down.
388
00:17:09,404 --> 00:17:11,323
I want to destroy Anderson.
389
00:17:11,448 --> 00:17:13,616
That's not
how other UFC fighters
390
00:17:13,742 --> 00:17:17,494
talk about the humble
yet lethal Anderson Silva.
391
00:17:17,495 --> 00:17:19,329
Nobody called him out ever.
392
00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:21,457
I'm gonna put him
on his prissy little ass.
393
00:17:21,458 --> 00:17:23,460
The first time I told somebody
394
00:17:23,585 --> 00:17:26,045
I was the best in the world,
not him...
395
00:17:26,046 --> 00:17:28,505
I remember
pausing after I said it,
396
00:17:28,506 --> 00:17:31,259
so that they could interrupt me
or they could push back.
397
00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:32,635
And they didn't.
398
00:17:32,761 --> 00:17:34,553
All of a sudden I get
another media opportunity,
399
00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:35,847
and I run the same shtick,
400
00:17:35,972 --> 00:17:38,390
and then I get another,
and they just start rolling in.
401
00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:39,975
Well, Anderson's a fraud.
402
00:17:39,976 --> 00:17:42,020
He's a liar, and he's a thief.
403
00:17:42,145 --> 00:17:43,562
Chael talk a lot of shit.
404
00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:46,857
In my mind, I just think,
405
00:17:46,858 --> 00:17:49,486
"Wow, this man
is a terrible person."
406
00:17:49,611 --> 00:17:51,612
You tell Anderson Silva
I'm coming over,
407
00:17:51,613 --> 00:17:52,863
I'm kicking his back door in
408
00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:54,823
and I'm patting his
little lady on the ass
409
00:17:54,824 --> 00:17:56,993
and I'm telling her to make me
a steak, medium rare,
410
00:17:57,118 --> 00:17:58,327
just how I like it.
411
00:17:58,328 --> 00:18:00,287
When you're talking about...
412
00:18:00,288 --> 00:18:01,247
my family,
413
00:18:01,373 --> 00:18:03,916
this has helped me...
414
00:18:03,917 --> 00:18:07,712
to put more energy to training
to come win the fight.
415
00:18:09,005 --> 00:18:11,298
You can sit there
and say all the bad things
416
00:18:11,299 --> 00:18:12,425
you wanna say about Anderson.
417
00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:14,636
He is your target,
he is your opponent,
418
00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:17,888
he gets to punch you
in the mouth, okay?
419
00:18:17,889 --> 00:18:20,182
The family doesn't.
420
00:18:20,183 --> 00:18:21,309
Stay away from that.
421
00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:24,520
Smack talk took
a whole new level with Chael
422
00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:26,647
going into that title fight
with Anderson Silva.
423
00:18:26,648 --> 00:18:29,900
And there were a few things
he said
424
00:18:29,901 --> 00:18:32,569
that I was genuinely concerned
for his safety.
425
00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:34,447
This guy's not
from a bowing culture.
426
00:18:34,572 --> 00:18:36,533
You bow in Brazil,
they'll hit you over the head
427
00:18:36,658 --> 00:18:37,991
and take your wallet
outta your pocket.
428
00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:41,246
You don't poke
another person's culture.
429
00:18:41,371 --> 00:18:43,247
I mean,
he crossed a couple lines,
430
00:18:43,248 --> 00:18:45,124
certainly, by my standards.
431
00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:47,502
The one thing
that I realized...
432
00:18:48,253 --> 00:18:50,922
you gotta have a good guy
and you gotta have a bad guy.
433
00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:53,674
I'm here purely to win
the world championship, period.
434
00:18:53,675 --> 00:18:55,844
Getting to beat up Anderson
is just a bonus.
435
00:18:55,969 --> 00:18:58,637
You evoke an emotion
from the audience,
436
00:18:58,638 --> 00:19:00,515
or you don't have a value.
437
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,851
And when I realized everybody
here wants to be liked,
438
00:19:03,852 --> 00:19:06,145
when I jumped
in the other end of the pool,
439
00:19:06,146 --> 00:19:08,189
I was the only one there.
440
00:19:08,315 --> 00:19:09,898
And I got a real power
from that.
441
00:19:09,899 --> 00:19:12,068
The wait
is finally over!
442
00:19:12,193 --> 00:19:13,361
Tonight, Chael Sonnen
443
00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:15,280
is gonna bring the fight
to Anderson Silva!
444
00:19:15,405 --> 00:19:17,365
So get ready
for what Chael says
445
00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:19,743
is a good
old-fashioned fistfight.
446
00:19:20,744 --> 00:19:22,786
On August 7th, 2010,
447
00:19:22,787 --> 00:19:26,206
Chael walks into
the biggest fight of his life...
448
00:19:26,207 --> 00:19:28,209
as the Bad Guy.
449
00:19:28,335 --> 00:19:30,753
The fight ends up
being something
450
00:19:30,754 --> 00:19:33,672
that it wasn't supposed to be.
451
00:19:33,673 --> 00:19:35,883
And we walk out
there to the ring,
452
00:19:35,884 --> 00:19:40,304
and the whole crowd is either
cheering for me strongly,
453
00:19:40,305 --> 00:19:41,889
or they're strongly booing me.
454
00:19:41,890 --> 00:19:45,060
But I mean like a hatred
level of booing.
455
00:19:47,187 --> 00:19:48,438
Right before the fight...
456
00:19:48,563 --> 00:19:50,439
I looked at Anderson.
457
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:51,566
And Anderson goes...
458
00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:55,611
And I never once talked trash
to get in somebody's head.
459
00:19:55,612 --> 00:19:56,738
That never even crossed my mind.
460
00:19:56,863 --> 00:19:58,739
And it was in that moment
that I thought,
461
00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,741
"Oh no, no, no, no,
head games are real.
462
00:20:00,742 --> 00:20:01,950
"And I'm in this guy's head."
463
00:20:01,951 --> 00:20:03,744
That was the moment
where I thought,
464
00:20:03,745 --> 00:20:05,497
"Hey, I might win this fight."
465
00:20:07,791 --> 00:20:09,876
UFC Middleweight
Championship...
466
00:20:10,001 --> 00:20:12,252
is on the line!
467
00:20:12,253 --> 00:20:13,463
Ready?
Let's fight!
468
00:20:14,631 --> 00:20:16,758
Chael had
wrestling skills.
469
00:20:18,468 --> 00:20:20,387
His game plan was,
put him on his back,
470
00:20:20,512 --> 00:20:21,388
beat him up.
471
00:20:22,681 --> 00:20:24,099
Oh, he rocked him!
472
00:20:24,224 --> 00:20:25,766
Big shot by Chael Sonnen!
473
00:20:25,767 --> 00:20:27,310
From the opening bell,
474
00:20:27,435 --> 00:20:29,354
Chael sets the tempo.
475
00:20:29,479 --> 00:20:31,855
I remember having
an actual fear
476
00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:33,607
of being on my feet with him.
477
00:20:33,608 --> 00:20:35,193
Like, I remember it
being in my gut,
478
00:20:35,318 --> 00:20:36,443
"You gotta get him down."
479
00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:37,988
Big shot.
480
00:20:38,113 --> 00:20:40,531
He didn't try to stand
and trade with him.
481
00:20:40,532 --> 00:20:42,450
He did what
he was really good at.
482
00:20:44,619 --> 00:20:46,830
Round one
to Chael Sonnen!
483
00:20:46,955 --> 00:20:49,039
The dominance
that he exhibited
484
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,626
against a fighter who had
been dominating the weight class
485
00:20:52,627 --> 00:20:54,879
for a couple of years...
was amazing.
486
00:20:57,215 --> 00:20:58,508
And Chael continues it
487
00:20:58,633 --> 00:21:00,635
all the way into
the fifth round.
488
00:21:01,636 --> 00:21:03,930
Five rounds,
punching hard in my head,
489
00:21:04,055 --> 00:21:06,182
punching hard in my body,
it's insane.
490
00:21:07,851 --> 00:21:10,645
I'm using my whole power
to punch Chael.
491
00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:15,900
And I feel Chael
come down a little bit.
492
00:21:16,026 --> 00:21:19,821
That's when I put up
my leg and choke Chael.
493
00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:20,864
Triangle!
Triangle!
494
00:21:20,989 --> 00:21:22,490
Watch out!
This is trouble!
495
00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:23,908
He's tapping!
496
00:21:24,868 --> 00:21:28,120
We were so close.
It was right there.
497
00:21:28,121 --> 00:21:30,789
Triangle gets thrown on
and he's gotta tap.
498
00:21:30,790 --> 00:21:32,750
Anderson Silva
499
00:21:32,751 --> 00:21:36,755
remains the UFC
Middleweight Champion!
500
00:21:37,922 --> 00:21:39,924
What the hell just happened?
501
00:21:40,592 --> 00:21:43,636
Chael whooped his ass
for five rounds,
502
00:21:43,762 --> 00:21:45,846
and found a way to lose?
503
00:21:45,847 --> 00:21:48,348
That's unbelievable, isn't it?
504
00:21:48,349 --> 00:21:49,351
It's unbelievable.
505
00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:53,520
It was devastating.
506
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:54,855
And nobody knew how to act.
507
00:21:54,856 --> 00:21:56,857
I mean, it was like a death
in the family.
508
00:21:56,858 --> 00:21:58,692
And finally somebody
put their arm on me,
509
00:21:58,693 --> 00:22:00,236
and I just started bawling.
510
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,407
I think he always
wanted to prove something
511
00:22:04,532 --> 00:22:06,493
to his dad, you know?
512
00:22:06,618 --> 00:22:07,911
Become a world champ.
513
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,914
In fact, Chael
promises that very thing
514
00:22:11,915 --> 00:22:14,958
eight years earlier...
as his father lies dying.
515
00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:16,711
When we're
in the hospital,
516
00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:18,962
he was in a state where
he could no longer communicate,
517
00:22:18,963 --> 00:22:22,049
but we knew
that he could hear us.
518
00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:24,594
And I told him, "I'm gonna be
the world champion."
519
00:22:26,137 --> 00:22:29,056
When I said this to my dad,
he made a sound...
520
00:22:29,057 --> 00:22:31,059
and so then I felt like
we had a deal.
521
00:22:31,184 --> 00:22:33,978
If you give your word,
you have to do it.
522
00:22:34,104 --> 00:22:37,064
No matter what it is,
you must follow through on it.
523
00:22:37,065 --> 00:22:38,982
I just remember in that moment,
just letting him know,
524
00:22:38,983 --> 00:22:40,484
"Here's what you're gonna miss.
525
00:22:40,485 --> 00:22:42,278
"But here's what
I'm gonna go do."
526
00:22:45,782 --> 00:22:47,241
At the end of the day,
527
00:22:47,242 --> 00:22:49,035
you either get your hand raised
or you don't.
528
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,160
And I didn't.
529
00:22:50,161 --> 00:22:51,829
And that's it,
and I'll live with it.
530
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:53,039
But I'm devastated.
531
00:22:53,164 --> 00:22:55,082
All my thoughts
that I had about Anderson,
532
00:22:55,083 --> 00:22:57,502
I hated him even more,
and hate is such a strong word,
533
00:22:57,627 --> 00:22:58,962
but I hated him even more.
534
00:22:59,087 --> 00:23:02,215
I really believed
that he was evil, I was good,
535
00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:03,591
and I must conquer him.
536
00:23:09,472 --> 00:23:11,432
deserved to be here tonight.
l Sonnen
537
00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:13,308
He put himself on the map
last week
538
00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:15,102
saying some crazy shit.
539
00:23:15,103 --> 00:23:17,813
And he put himself
on the map tonight
540
00:23:17,814 --> 00:23:19,606
doing some crazy shit.
541
00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:22,151
In the four and a half
rounds before he taps out
542
00:23:22,152 --> 00:23:23,445
against Anderson Silva,
543
00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:27,240
Chael lands over 300 strikes,
compared to 64 from Anderson.
544
00:23:29,534 --> 00:23:33,829
It's arguably the greatest
star-making loss in UFC history.
545
00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:41,921
Then, a story breaks
that casts a shadow
546
00:23:42,047 --> 00:23:44,049
on what Chael has accomplished.
547
00:23:44,716 --> 00:23:47,635
I was at my desk,
watching MMA headlines
548
00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:51,096
when suddenly, it came across
the wire and, you know,
549
00:23:51,097 --> 00:23:53,348
blew my mind
like everybody else.
550
00:23:53,349 --> 00:23:55,517
He tests positive for drugs.
551
00:23:55,518 --> 00:23:57,811
Exogenous testosterone.
You were dopin'.
552
00:23:57,812 --> 00:23:59,021
You were dopin' for this fight.
553
00:23:59,022 --> 00:24:02,816
Chael gets done putting on
the performance of his lifetime,
554
00:24:02,817 --> 00:24:04,778
so now, wipe all that out.
555
00:24:04,903 --> 00:24:07,280
After reports surfaced
that UFC middleweight
556
00:24:07,405 --> 00:24:09,031
title challenger Chael Sonnen
had failed
557
00:24:09,032 --> 00:24:10,616
his UFC 117 drug test,
558
00:24:10,617 --> 00:24:13,160
Sonnen's manager Mike Roberts
responded,
559
00:24:13,161 --> 00:24:15,371
"They will appeal the dispute."
560
00:24:15,372 --> 00:24:17,164
Is that why he did so well?
561
00:24:17,165 --> 00:24:19,833
Because he was
juiced to the gills?
562
00:24:19,834 --> 00:24:22,295
You know... just heartbreaking.
563
00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:24,964
In the aftermath
of the alleged doping,
564
00:24:25,090 --> 00:24:27,633
Chael parts ways
with his longtime coach,
565
00:24:27,634 --> 00:24:28,968
Matt Lindland.
566
00:24:29,094 --> 00:24:30,928
I had no idea.
567
00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:33,722
I think I just realized
at that point,
568
00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:35,600
him and I had
different objectives.
569
00:24:37,102 --> 00:24:38,686
I thought maybe
he was getting tougher,
570
00:24:38,812 --> 00:24:41,522
but maybe he was just--
it was just dopin'.
571
00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:43,483
I expected more out of him.
572
00:24:43,608 --> 00:24:46,695
I think Chael
was probably heartbroken...
573
00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:48,570
for a good two weeks.
574
00:24:48,571 --> 00:24:51,366
And then figured out how to...
575
00:24:51,491 --> 00:24:52,659
change the narrative.
576
00:24:54,828 --> 00:24:56,871
Chael goes public
with his claim
577
00:24:56,997 --> 00:24:59,540
that he simply
followed the rules.
578
00:24:59,541 --> 00:25:01,835
In the state of
California where this fight was,
579
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,712
the rule was extremely clear:
580
00:25:03,837 --> 00:25:06,881
you must disclose to the
commission what you're taking.
581
00:25:07,007 --> 00:25:09,592
And that opportunity comes
right before the weigh-in.
582
00:25:09,718 --> 00:25:11,803
And at that point,
if you disclosed it...
583
00:25:13,138 --> 00:25:14,305
you got a pass.
584
00:25:15,348 --> 00:25:16,683
I wrote down testosterone.
585
00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:20,520
The executive director
signed that form.
586
00:25:20,645 --> 00:25:22,897
The doctor of the commission
then came and asked me,
587
00:25:23,023 --> 00:25:24,315
"What is this all about?"
588
00:25:24,316 --> 00:25:25,400
And I just answered
his question,
589
00:25:25,525 --> 00:25:27,444
I said, "I've been
taking testosterone."
590
00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:32,364
Chael says he's using
testosterone replacement therapy
591
00:25:32,365 --> 00:25:34,534
to treat low T.
592
00:25:34,659 --> 00:25:36,411
If you're gonna associate
a guy with TRT,
593
00:25:36,536 --> 00:25:39,079
make sure you also associate
the fact that it's legal
594
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,332
and it's not banned.
595
00:25:41,333 --> 00:25:43,209
One journalist
decides to investigate
596
00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:46,128
the legitimacy of Chael's claim.
597
00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:49,173
The party that Chael thought
he had in his pocket says,
598
00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:51,092
"Hey, I never gave him
permission.
599
00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:52,427
"That's a total lie."
600
00:25:52,552 --> 00:25:56,597
So, it basically exposes him
and cues him up
601
00:25:56,598 --> 00:25:58,892
for this next case
that Chael has to deal with,
602
00:25:59,017 --> 00:26:00,226
over being dishonest,
603
00:26:00,352 --> 00:26:02,562
over being a discredit
to the sport.
604
00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:05,397
While the UFC debates
what to do with Chael,
605
00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:07,608
another three-letter
organization
606
00:26:07,609 --> 00:26:09,818
is wrapping up
their investigation
607
00:26:09,819 --> 00:26:12,821
into Chael's side hustle:
real estate.
608
00:26:12,822 --> 00:26:15,282
I went into real estate
largely because
609
00:26:15,283 --> 00:26:17,118
there's only so many jobs
that you could do
610
00:26:17,243 --> 00:26:20,329
and carry an MMA career.
611
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:21,581
It's a very normal day.
612
00:26:21,706 --> 00:26:23,832
I'm in my little cubicle,
filling out my little
613
00:26:23,833 --> 00:26:25,584
real estate paperwork.
614
00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:27,836
Including a form
telling a mortgage company
615
00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:30,339
some of the money they
are lending to a purchaser
616
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:33,093
is to be used by Chael's mom's
plumbing company
617
00:26:33,218 --> 00:26:35,469
to fix up the house
after the purchase.
618
00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:39,390
Instead, most of the money
is pocketed by the buyer,
619
00:26:39,391 --> 00:26:40,974
which is illegal.
620
00:26:40,975 --> 00:26:42,684
I didn't know
you weren't supposed to.
621
00:26:42,685 --> 00:26:44,269
I'm brand new in real estate.
622
00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:47,398
And in 44 minutes,
filling out a form...
623
00:26:47,399 --> 00:26:51,277
I commit
11 imprisonable felonies.
624
00:26:52,487 --> 00:26:54,446
They tell me, "Hey,
we're looking into this thing."
625
00:26:54,447 --> 00:26:57,534
And I answered
every question that they had.
626
00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:01,870
At the end of this questioning
is where they inform me
627
00:27:01,871 --> 00:27:05,709
that I have confessed
to 11 felonies.
628
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:09,878
You're looking at it and go,
629
00:27:09,879 --> 00:27:11,631
"Oh yeah,
I did all of those things."
630
00:27:11,756 --> 00:27:13,675
He pleads guilty
to money laundering
631
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,136
and avoids prison by giving up
his real estate licence,
632
00:27:17,137 --> 00:27:19,346
paying a $10,000 fine,
633
00:27:19,347 --> 00:27:21,765
and accepting
two years' probation.
634
00:27:21,766 --> 00:27:25,269
He fares no better
in the testosterone case.
635
00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:26,729
There's a rule
in politics:
636
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:28,857
if you're explaining,
you're losing.
637
00:27:28,982 --> 00:27:30,650
And I found that out.
638
00:27:31,651 --> 00:27:33,528
I quickly learned
this whole explanation
639
00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:35,697
of testosterone
isn't gonna work.
640
00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:40,034
As soon as I started, I mean,
it backfired so much...
641
00:27:40,035 --> 00:27:41,745
I've just gotta steer into it.
642
00:27:43,121 --> 00:27:46,207
For failing his
drug test after the Silva fight,
643
00:27:46,333 --> 00:27:49,626
Chael pays a $2,500 fine
644
00:27:49,627 --> 00:27:51,921
and receives
a year-long suspension.
645
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:55,216
As tough a situation
as that is,
646
00:27:55,342 --> 00:27:58,635
he did that
with grace and integrity.
647
00:27:58,636 --> 00:28:01,305
And that's a weird thing to say.
648
00:28:01,306 --> 00:28:03,224
You know,
he cheated with integrity.
649
00:28:05,852 --> 00:28:08,228
And I'm thinking,
"I'm gonna make a comeback.
650
00:28:08,229 --> 00:28:11,107
"And when I do, it's gonna be
one hell of a comeback."
651
00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:14,402
I'm fighting Anderson Silva.
652
00:28:14,527 --> 00:28:16,446
There was gonna be
no way to keep us apart.
653
00:28:22,077 --> 00:28:25,245
It's all over!
654
00:28:25,246 --> 00:28:26,164
Chael Sonnen!
655
00:28:27,415 --> 00:28:29,666
After a year
of UFC exile...
656
00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:31,752
A triumphant return!
657
00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:32,879
...Chael Sonnen
picks up
658
00:28:33,004 --> 00:28:35,255
right where he left off,
659
00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:38,259
chirping his nemesis,
Anderson Silva.
660
00:28:38,385 --> 00:28:39,844
Anderson does not
want this fight.
661
00:28:39,969 --> 00:28:43,681
Anderson Silva,
you absolutely suck!
662
00:28:43,682 --> 00:28:46,266
Dana White was openly
trying to make this fight,
663
00:28:46,267 --> 00:28:47,977
and Anderson Silva
was openly saying,
664
00:28:48,103 --> 00:28:49,687
"Give me somebody else."
665
00:28:49,688 --> 00:28:52,481
The biggest rematch
in the history of the business!
666
00:28:52,482 --> 00:28:55,275
I'm calling you out, Silva,
but we're upping the stakes.
667
00:28:55,276 --> 00:28:56,860
He was willing
to go forward
668
00:28:56,861 --> 00:28:59,488
and do everything that he felt
he needed to do
669
00:28:59,489 --> 00:29:01,533
to make that opportunity happen.
670
00:29:02,701 --> 00:29:06,203
I am Scott McQuary.
I am an MMA coach with the UFC.
671
00:29:06,204 --> 00:29:10,000
I was the coach for Chael Sonnen
for four years.
672
00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:13,920
I took over after that
first Anderson Silva fight.
673
00:29:14,045 --> 00:29:16,046
To force a rematch
with Silva,
674
00:29:16,047 --> 00:29:19,092
Chael adopts
confession as strategy.
675
00:29:19,217 --> 00:29:21,761
I had to come up with a good
story that people would accept.
676
00:29:21,886 --> 00:29:25,389
I told them to feast
their eyes and fantasize!
677
00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:26,474
I offer no apology.
678
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,476
That's testosterone,
ladies and gentlemen!
679
00:29:28,601 --> 00:29:31,271
I noticed the guiltier
that I made myself,
680
00:29:31,396 --> 00:29:35,858
everybody just put their swords
down and let Chael walk through.
681
00:29:35,859 --> 00:29:38,152
And I...
I ran with that ever since.
682
00:29:38,153 --> 00:29:39,487
Obviously you're very
familiar with it.
683
00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:41,905
You tested with as much
testosterone as an elephant
684
00:29:41,906 --> 00:29:43,240
when you fought Anderson Silva.
685
00:29:43,241 --> 00:29:45,868
I said, "You must have
caught me on a low day."
686
00:29:45,869 --> 00:29:48,747
I was a bank robber, I was
running this whole organization,
687
00:29:48,872 --> 00:29:50,040
and I was running
the underworld,
688
00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:51,957
and I was the boss
of the whole thing.
689
00:29:51,958 --> 00:29:53,083
I'm not a martial artist,
690
00:29:53,084 --> 00:29:54,877
I am a gangster
from West Linn, Oregon,
691
00:29:54,878 --> 00:29:58,464
and I win fights with these,
and I make no goddamn apology!
692
00:29:58,465 --> 00:30:01,550
And now, all the rotten
things that I had done
693
00:30:01,551 --> 00:30:04,136
are all the reasons
that the community thinks
694
00:30:04,137 --> 00:30:05,847
Anderson should
want to fight me.
695
00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:07,348
And it worked.
696
00:30:08,892 --> 00:30:10,642
With the rematch
scheduled,
697
00:30:10,643 --> 00:30:13,771
Chael goes back to what almost
worked the first time:
698
00:30:13,772 --> 00:30:16,191
getting inside Silva's head.
699
00:30:16,316 --> 00:30:18,609
I remember going outside,
I sit around with my friends,
700
00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:21,529
we talk about the latest
technology in medicine and...
701
00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:23,906
Anderson and the Brazilian kids
are sitting outside
702
00:30:23,907 --> 00:30:25,033
playing in the mud.
703
00:30:25,158 --> 00:30:27,494
Chael was launching
very strategic mortars
704
00:30:27,619 --> 00:30:30,412
into that other camp,
waiting till they explode
705
00:30:30,413 --> 00:30:32,540
to see what kind of
reaction he got.
706
00:30:32,665 --> 00:30:35,125
Anderson, Anderson,
little Miss Anderson!
707
00:30:35,126 --> 00:30:37,961
I'd call you a girl, but you're
not, you're a mannequin.
708
00:30:37,962 --> 00:30:39,922
He wants to get
in a fight with him,
709
00:30:39,923 --> 00:30:42,133
because if Anderson's mad,
it's actually better
710
00:30:42,258 --> 00:30:44,802
because that'll make him
fight kinda stupid.
711
00:30:44,803 --> 00:30:47,638
Anderson Silva
versus Chael Sonnen,
712
00:30:47,639 --> 00:30:50,265
the Fake Guy versus the Bad Guy!
713
00:30:50,266 --> 00:30:52,601
They definitely
got Anderson riled up.
714
00:30:52,602 --> 00:30:53,728
Or did they?
715
00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:57,482
On a UFC pre-fight media call,
Silva sounds provoked.
716
00:30:58,483 --> 00:31:00,609
But is he now
playing Chael's game?
717
00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:02,069
I'm gonna beat his ass
718
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:03,905
like he's never been
beat before.
719
00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:06,990
I'm gonna make sure that every
one of his teeth are broken,
720
00:31:06,991 --> 00:31:08,743
his arms are broke,
his legs are broke.
721
00:31:08,868 --> 00:31:10,078
It's on now.
722
00:31:11,246 --> 00:31:12,747
When I say that, I just...
723
00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:16,834
I've promoted every
Anderson Silva fight
724
00:31:16,835 --> 00:31:18,335
since he's been in the UFC,
725
00:31:18,336 --> 00:31:21,171
and I've never heard him talk
even remotely close like this.
726
00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:24,133
I know Chael
in the first fight talked a lot.
727
00:31:24,134 --> 00:31:26,552
And now I understand the game.
728
00:31:26,553 --> 00:31:29,514
Chael play the game,
I go play the same game.
729
00:31:29,639 --> 00:31:30,640
Done.
730
00:31:32,142 --> 00:31:33,476
Chael's new trainer
731
00:31:33,601 --> 00:31:36,521
worries he's spending more time
on the mic than in the gym.
732
00:31:38,106 --> 00:31:40,942
My level of
responsibility was to make sure
733
00:31:41,067 --> 00:31:44,570
that he stayed on task
and was prepared for the fight.
734
00:31:44,571 --> 00:31:48,115
I felt that Chael should've been
training even more so
735
00:31:48,116 --> 00:31:49,867
for that fight,
and doing less promoting.
736
00:31:49,868 --> 00:31:52,036
That was just
my personal opinion.
737
00:31:52,037 --> 00:31:53,621
Silva! Silva! Silva!
738
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,333
Are you ready, sir?
You ready? Fight!
739
00:31:57,334 --> 00:32:00,544
Once again,
we are underway!
740
00:32:00,545 --> 00:32:02,296
Takedown by Sonnen
741
00:32:02,297 --> 00:32:04,924
five seconds into this fight.
742
00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:07,427
I got my hands on him,
I got him down right away.
743
00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:12,390
And the round ended.
744
00:32:13,391 --> 00:32:15,101
Round one
to Sonnen again.
745
00:32:18,229 --> 00:32:21,398
The second round,
I just look to my coach, I say,
746
00:32:21,399 --> 00:32:23,609
"Now I go finish the fight."
747
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:26,153
That takedown
came six seconds into the fight.
748
00:32:28,323 --> 00:32:31,117
Again,
Sonnen pushes forward.
749
00:32:31,242 --> 00:32:33,452
All of a sudden, he's more
difficult to take down.
750
00:32:33,453 --> 00:32:34,996
Nothing
really damaging.
751
00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:36,497
Drops down...
752
00:32:36,498 --> 00:32:38,917
So I get my hands on him
on the fence,
753
00:32:39,042 --> 00:32:42,336
and he did a thing
with his legs.
754
00:32:42,337 --> 00:32:44,214
I can't get my hands together.
755
00:32:44,339 --> 00:32:46,840
There was this weird panic
that set in.
756
00:32:48,259 --> 00:32:50,970
Wow,
good takedown defence by Silva.
757
00:32:51,096 --> 00:32:53,430
And that could be
an early turning point.
758
00:32:53,431 --> 00:32:55,933
He tried the spinning backfist.
759
00:32:55,934 --> 00:32:58,769
He fell.
Anderson capitalized on it.
760
00:32:58,770 --> 00:33:00,647
That's an early
turning point in this fight.
761
00:33:00,772 --> 00:33:02,564
That's a knee!
762
00:33:02,565 --> 00:33:04,693
When you have that moment
when a guy's swarming you,
763
00:33:04,818 --> 00:33:08,612
and you cover,
that's a sign to the referee,
764
00:33:08,613 --> 00:33:11,740
your tag team partner,
to step in.
765
00:33:11,741 --> 00:33:13,283
Chael's in trouble!
766
00:33:13,284 --> 00:33:15,286
It is all over!
767
00:33:15,412 --> 00:33:20,375
Anderson Silva remains
the UFC middleweight champion!
768
00:33:21,292 --> 00:33:23,044
I mean,
it was the right call.
769
00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:25,588
It was a massive letdown
from a mental standpoint.
770
00:33:27,382 --> 00:33:28,717
Chael could have
been a world champ.
771
00:33:28,842 --> 00:33:32,137
He could've been
the best athlete in the UFC.
772
00:33:34,222 --> 00:33:35,974
I got to train
with this guy
773
00:33:36,099 --> 00:33:38,143
six, seven days a week
for years.
774
00:33:38,268 --> 00:33:40,353
So, I saw
what his potential was.
775
00:33:42,188 --> 00:33:44,815
I don't know
what would cause him
776
00:33:44,816 --> 00:33:47,067
to come undone in those moments.
777
00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:49,570
It certainly wasn't physical.
778
00:33:49,571 --> 00:33:51,780
He has all the natural ability,
all the work ethic.
779
00:33:51,781 --> 00:33:53,324
Everything that he needs is...
780
00:33:53,325 --> 00:33:55,910
How is this guy
not a world champion?
781
00:33:56,036 --> 00:33:57,328
And... and...
782
00:33:57,454 --> 00:33:59,789
I think the answer to that
question is right up here
783
00:33:59,914 --> 00:34:00,832
between Chael's ears.
784
00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:07,464
As a kid,
he always doubted himself.
785
00:34:09,674 --> 00:34:13,428
He had a father who told him
he could go farther.
786
00:34:13,553 --> 00:34:17,766
And I would see a little bit
of resentment in that.
787
00:34:17,891 --> 00:34:21,728
I never could quite understand
why he felt the need
788
00:34:21,853 --> 00:34:23,520
to maybe punish Chael.
789
00:34:23,521 --> 00:34:26,191
But I think from the way
my husband was raised,
790
00:34:26,316 --> 00:34:28,943
I could understand
why he did this,
791
00:34:29,069 --> 00:34:32,196
because he would be
a little upset
792
00:34:32,197 --> 00:34:35,616
that Chael didn't
live up to his potential.
793
00:34:35,617 --> 00:34:37,786
I think my dad
almost had a resentment
794
00:34:37,911 --> 00:34:40,287
of how easy my life was,
because his was not.
795
00:34:40,288 --> 00:34:42,040
My dad's father was a drunk.
796
00:34:42,165 --> 00:34:43,458
My father
was a multi-millionaire.
797
00:34:43,583 --> 00:34:45,377
What am I supposed to do?
798
00:34:45,502 --> 00:34:48,003
And I found out
over a short period of time
799
00:34:48,004 --> 00:34:49,671
that no, you could win,
800
00:34:49,672 --> 00:34:51,591
and you were still
gonna get the wrath.
801
00:34:51,716 --> 00:34:54,385
It was, "Here's what
you could have done better."
802
00:34:54,386 --> 00:34:56,720
It was a hard bar at times,
I must tell you.
803
00:34:56,721 --> 00:35:00,724
It felt like there was
really no way to win.
804
00:35:00,725 --> 00:35:03,685
Maybe the bad guy is
the guy that is mentally tough
805
00:35:03,686 --> 00:35:05,896
that can handle
any kind of adversity,
806
00:35:05,897 --> 00:35:08,732
can go through struggle,
come out the other side
807
00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:10,150
harder, stronger.
808
00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:11,735
The hero journey.
809
00:35:11,736 --> 00:35:13,529
Maybe that's the guy
he wanted to be.
810
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:15,823
Somebody that he couldn't be.
811
00:35:15,824 --> 00:35:17,241
That isn't him.
812
00:35:17,242 --> 00:35:18,742
He's a sweet kid.
813
00:35:18,743 --> 00:35:21,496
I see the same guy
that I met when...
814
00:35:21,621 --> 00:35:23,498
when he was 16 years old.
815
00:35:25,041 --> 00:35:26,792
Chael's losses
to Silva
816
00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:30,421
put his promise to his dad
even further out of reach.
817
00:35:30,422 --> 00:35:32,507
Was he ever gonna be
at that same level
818
00:35:32,632 --> 00:35:36,343
when he fought Anderson?
It was on the downside now.
819
00:35:36,344 --> 00:35:39,221
I think it wore on him,
and that leads him
820
00:35:39,222 --> 00:35:40,889
to making poor choices at times.
821
00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:42,725
You have the right
to remain silent.
822
00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:45,394
Anything you say can be used
against you in a court of law.
823
00:35:45,395 --> 00:35:47,272
Do you wanna talk to us?
No?
824
00:35:53,361 --> 00:35:54,487
Jon Jones!
825
00:35:54,612 --> 00:35:56,530
Chael Sonnen!
826
00:35:56,531 --> 00:35:59,950
Less than 10 months
after his rematch with Silva,
827
00:35:59,951 --> 00:36:01,828
Chael moves up
to light heavyweight
828
00:36:01,953 --> 00:36:06,040
for one final title shot
against Jon Jones.
829
00:36:06,041 --> 00:36:08,751
He loses by first-round TKO.
830
00:36:08,752 --> 00:36:13,048
Jon Jones
has finished Chael Sonnen!
831
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,966
Still fighting
in 2014...
832
00:36:15,967 --> 00:36:17,760
ESPN broke the news
on Tuesday
833
00:36:17,761 --> 00:36:19,887
that Chael Sonnen
had failed his random drug test.
834
00:36:19,888 --> 00:36:22,724
...Chael falls back
into a familiar pattern.
835
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:24,641
I don't wanna
say anything to you
836
00:36:24,642 --> 00:36:26,393
that comes off as an excuse.
837
00:36:26,394 --> 00:36:27,811
I... I am guilty.
838
00:36:27,812 --> 00:36:29,605
Doping allegations.
839
00:36:29,606 --> 00:36:31,982
An admission.
Suspension.
840
00:36:31,983 --> 00:36:34,152
But a shift
was already in motion.
841
00:36:35,111 --> 00:36:36,737
I know in my own heart,
842
00:36:36,738 --> 00:36:38,322
I'm winding
this thing down anyway.
843
00:36:38,323 --> 00:36:40,157
You know, this is largely
about paycheques.
844
00:36:40,158 --> 00:36:41,950
And I still had a goal
of returning
845
00:36:41,951 --> 00:36:43,160
to a championship fight,
846
00:36:43,161 --> 00:36:44,828
but returning
to a championship fight
847
00:36:44,829 --> 00:36:46,790
is not the same as trying
to win a championship.
848
00:36:46,915 --> 00:36:47,956
I'm a commentator now.
849
00:36:47,957 --> 00:36:48,999
The character he built
850
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,834
starting with
the first Silva fight
851
00:36:50,835 --> 00:36:53,046
is fuelling his next chapter.
852
00:36:53,171 --> 00:36:55,506
If I got stomped out
in three minutes by a guy
853
00:36:55,507 --> 00:36:58,759
I outweighed by 50 pounds,
I'd think about quitting, too.
854
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,178
As a fighter,
I never had fun.
855
00:37:01,179 --> 00:37:04,182
Going out and doing media
is like a reward.
856
00:37:05,433 --> 00:37:07,644
Being a commentator,
there was like an honour in it.
857
00:37:07,769 --> 00:37:09,270
There was a--
I was very proud
858
00:37:09,396 --> 00:37:11,939
that I was the one that
was chosen to explain the sport.
859
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:14,108
These were great days for me.
I love playing this game.
860
00:37:14,109 --> 00:37:15,944
What did you see
when you watched that fight?
861
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:17,821
Floyd needs to keep doing
what he's doing,
862
00:37:17,946 --> 00:37:19,780
which is fighting
complete tomato cans
863
00:37:19,781 --> 00:37:21,282
who we've never heard of before.
864
00:37:23,201 --> 00:37:25,453
Chael officially
retires from the cage
865
00:37:25,578 --> 00:37:27,538
in 2019.
866
00:37:27,539 --> 00:37:28,622
If I beat Lyoto tonight,
867
00:37:28,623 --> 00:37:30,250
I'd have fought Bader
for the World Championship,
868
00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:33,043
and that was the only reason
I was in the sport, you know?
869
00:37:33,044 --> 00:37:34,546
I promised my father I'd, uh...
870
00:37:34,671 --> 00:37:37,464
You know,
I was just in the sport.
871
00:37:37,465 --> 00:37:38,967
Do you leave with any regrets?
872
00:37:39,092 --> 00:37:40,342
No, no.
873
00:37:40,343 --> 00:37:41,886
I loved every minute.
874
00:37:43,138 --> 00:37:45,348
He walks away
as one of the sport's
875
00:37:45,473 --> 00:37:47,307
greatest smack-talkers.
876
00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:50,854
I am so impressed by his
ability to be able to entertain,
877
00:37:50,979 --> 00:37:52,814
to be able to inform,
878
00:37:52,939 --> 00:37:54,857
and to be able to
completely dodge trouble
879
00:37:54,858 --> 00:37:56,734
at almost every turn.
880
00:37:56,735 --> 00:37:58,068
That could change...
881
00:37:58,069 --> 00:38:00,071
in December 2021.
882
00:38:01,156 --> 00:38:05,242
I cannot believe this.
I cannot believe this.
883
00:38:05,243 --> 00:38:07,494
The fight
in the hotel room.
884
00:38:07,495 --> 00:38:09,164
That's... that's a real outlier.
885
00:38:09,289 --> 00:38:10,789
Where's that female
that was here
886
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:12,291
said she was
punched in the face?
887
00:38:12,292 --> 00:38:14,627
She's down the hallway.
She's with an officer.
888
00:38:14,753 --> 00:38:15,878
Chael Sonnen
889
00:38:15,879 --> 00:38:17,671
is charged with
five counts of battery
890
00:38:17,672 --> 00:38:21,258
after an incident inside
a luxury hotel in Las Vegas.
891
00:38:21,259 --> 00:38:23,343
We have a few
questions to ask you,
892
00:38:23,344 --> 00:38:26,347
but we're gonna read you
something really quick, okay?
893
00:38:26,473 --> 00:38:29,601
Beating the hell
out of civilians, allegedly.
894
00:38:31,227 --> 00:38:33,104
That's really worrisome, man.
895
00:38:34,689 --> 00:38:36,691
Known Chael
a long, long time,
896
00:38:36,816 --> 00:38:38,485
and he's never been
one of those guys out,
897
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:42,906
you know, intentionally trying
to start trouble or pick fights.
898
00:38:43,573 --> 00:38:45,325
You have the right
to remain silent.
899
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:48,119
Anything you say can be used
against you in a court of law.
900
00:38:50,789 --> 00:38:52,539
I can't.
901
00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:53,749
No, I'm sorry.
902
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:55,126
Non-disclosures,
and they're very...
903
00:38:55,251 --> 00:38:56,544
they're very, very tight.
904
00:38:58,046 --> 00:38:59,297
So,
what happened today?
905
00:39:01,049 --> 00:39:02,383
Do you wanna talk to us?
906
00:39:02,384 --> 00:39:04,052
- Mm-mm.
- No? Okay.
907
00:39:04,177 --> 00:39:07,222
The story is that this
couple is walking down the hall,
908
00:39:10,016 --> 00:39:14,061
they encounter
a disoriented Chael Sonnen
909
00:39:14,062 --> 00:39:18,274
who has his shirt ripped off,
is stumbling around.
910
00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:21,402
They try to go around him.
911
00:39:21,403 --> 00:39:24,489
He slaps the drink
out of the guy's hand.
912
00:39:24,614 --> 00:39:27,409
The guy turns, says,
"Hey, what's goin' on?"
913
00:39:27,534 --> 00:39:30,245
In a second, Chael snaps,
914
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:33,497
starts punching him
in the side of the head,
915
00:39:33,498 --> 00:39:36,209
puts him in some sort of
a chokehold, allegedly.
916
00:39:36,334 --> 00:39:39,587
It requires five people
to restrain him.
917
00:39:41,339 --> 00:39:43,675
Chael doesn't concede
to any of this.
918
00:39:46,094 --> 00:39:47,804
Yes or no, sir?
919
00:39:47,929 --> 00:39:51,223
Chael Sonnen's claim
is that he was defending himself
920
00:39:51,224 --> 00:39:55,018
first from a pair of guys
who accosted him
921
00:39:55,019 --> 00:39:57,272
in the hallway of the hotel,
922
00:39:57,397 --> 00:40:00,525
made some sort of comment
about Brittany, his wife.
923
00:40:00,650 --> 00:40:03,653
He defended himself,
took care of the threat,
924
00:40:03,778 --> 00:40:05,989
and then somehow
he got arrested.
925
00:40:07,532 --> 00:40:09,075
Do you
understand these rights?
926
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,993
- Mmm.
- Is that a yes?
927
00:40:10,994 --> 00:40:13,580
Is this a moment
where Chael's unravelling,
928
00:40:13,705 --> 00:40:15,206
or is he showing
great integrity?
929
00:40:15,331 --> 00:40:18,293
I-I... I don't even know.
930
00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:25,467
Oh, yeah, you're right,
you're completely right.
931
00:40:25,592 --> 00:40:27,259
If you cannot afford
an attorney,
932
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:28,635
one will be appointed
before questioning.
933
00:40:28,636 --> 00:40:30,221
I was defending my honour.
934
00:40:32,557 --> 00:40:35,018
Chael tells police
his memory of the incident
935
00:40:35,143 --> 00:40:36,478
is clouded by Ambien.
936
00:40:37,729 --> 00:40:40,314
"We can't prove
he intended to choke you
937
00:40:40,315 --> 00:40:41,650
"because he was on Ambien."
938
00:40:43,652 --> 00:40:46,071
This incident makes me wonder...
939
00:40:47,614 --> 00:40:49,866
whether he's doing drugs.
940
00:40:49,991 --> 00:40:54,412
The Chael that I know never
tasted alcohol, never did drugs,
941
00:40:54,537 --> 00:40:57,415
as straight edge
as you could possibly be.
942
00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:00,668
Is his life
starting to go off the rails?
943
00:41:01,419 --> 00:41:04,463
Or is this the line
finally beginning to blur
944
00:41:04,464 --> 00:41:08,175
between the man he is
and the man he often portrays?
945
00:41:08,176 --> 00:41:10,345
This character
he's created...
946
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:12,763
how do you even be a normal
person after, you know,
947
00:41:12,764 --> 00:41:14,516
what you've...
what you've cultivated?
948
00:41:16,434 --> 00:41:18,685
It could be some sort of
personal demon
949
00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:20,020
and he was picking a fight.
950
00:41:20,021 --> 00:41:22,107
I worry about him.
I just worry about him.
951
00:41:23,858 --> 00:41:26,276
Legally, they didn't
have the goods to get him
952
00:41:26,277 --> 00:41:28,278
for a felony
or even misdemeanours.
953
00:41:28,279 --> 00:41:29,947
These charges were dropped.
954
00:41:29,948 --> 00:41:32,617
So, yeah, he's...
he's in the clear.
955
00:41:34,327 --> 00:41:36,578
Just
one more experience
956
00:41:36,579 --> 00:41:38,414
on the bad guy's resume.
957
00:41:38,415 --> 00:41:40,624
I don't know if anybody's
failed more drug tests than me,
958
00:41:40,625 --> 00:41:43,210
but the other side of it is,
I don't know if anybody's
959
00:41:43,211 --> 00:41:44,753
gotten away with more
drugs than me, right?
960
00:41:44,754 --> 00:41:46,631
I mean, they got me
over like seven substances,
961
00:41:46,756 --> 00:41:48,174
but I was on at least 17!
962
00:41:48,299 --> 00:41:49,884
Like, those tests
aren't all that good!
963
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:52,720
Despite mistakes
and shortcomings,
964
00:41:52,721 --> 00:41:56,098
redemption is never about
the awards you win,
965
00:41:56,099 --> 00:41:57,350
the titles you earned;
966
00:41:57,475 --> 00:41:59,935
it's about who you become
in the end.
967
00:41:59,936 --> 00:42:03,814
His kids see that other man,
that empathetic, loving father.
968
00:42:03,815 --> 00:42:07,986
I know his wife does, I know
she sees who he really is.
969
00:42:08,111 --> 00:42:10,321
I still believe in Chael.
970
00:42:10,322 --> 00:42:12,031
Even with
all of his lies,
971
00:42:12,032 --> 00:42:13,449
with all of his bullshit,
972
00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:15,576
with all of his posturing,
with all of his stuff,
973
00:42:15,577 --> 00:42:17,746
it's hard not to just love him
because he's entertaining!
974
00:42:17,871 --> 00:42:19,330
And that's...
975
00:42:19,331 --> 00:42:21,374
this is
the entertainment business.
976
00:42:21,499 --> 00:42:24,168
I got to sit and have
lunch with Conor a couple times,
977
00:42:24,169 --> 00:42:26,086
who basically expressed to me
978
00:42:26,087 --> 00:42:28,255
that that's
who he was emulating.
979
00:42:28,256 --> 00:42:30,842
He goes, "Look at all the doors
it opens for Chael."
980
00:42:30,967 --> 00:42:32,843
Let me tell you something,
Chael.
981
00:42:34,137 --> 00:42:36,097
You never come to my house,
to my barbecue.
982
00:42:36,222 --> 00:42:37,390
The barbecue.
983
00:42:37,515 --> 00:42:39,392
You know, the relationship
between me and Chael
984
00:42:39,517 --> 00:42:42,103
is so interesting
because I respect Chael a lot.
985
00:42:43,063 --> 00:42:44,439
Right now he's my friend.
986
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:48,150
Chael changed the game.
987
00:42:48,151 --> 00:42:52,197
Chael created the whole story,
988
00:42:52,322 --> 00:42:57,494
to create the curiosity
to watch the fight.
989
00:42:58,495 --> 00:43:01,372
Chael bring that attention
for UFC.
990
00:43:01,373 --> 00:43:03,249
I didn't know
if your wife forgave me.
991
00:43:03,375 --> 00:43:04,625
It was a whole thing.
992
00:43:04,626 --> 00:43:06,294
That's the real answer
why I didn't come.
993
00:43:06,419 --> 00:43:08,296
You need to come, please.
994
00:43:08,421 --> 00:43:09,963
- In Brazil?
- No, here.
995
00:43:09,964 --> 00:43:12,634
In Brazil, a lot of people
will try to kill you, trust me.
996
00:43:12,759 --> 00:43:13,884
Yeah.
997
00:43:13,885 --> 00:43:16,221
People will still
come up today and go,
998
00:43:16,346 --> 00:43:18,680
"Hey, I saw your fight
with Anderson Silva!
999
00:43:18,681 --> 00:43:20,349
"Oh, it was so close!"
1000
00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:22,893
I would much prefer
1001
00:43:22,894 --> 00:43:26,313
that I was recognized or praised
for something that was...
1002
00:43:26,314 --> 00:43:28,524
that was a victory.
1003
00:43:28,525 --> 00:43:30,735
I get asked about
what my legacy is gonna be,
1004
00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:31,777
and you gotta understand,
1005
00:43:31,778 --> 00:43:33,529
I'm the one
that's telling the story,
1006
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:36,073
so I might tell it accurately,
1007
00:43:36,074 --> 00:43:37,909
but I might go
to a different place
1008
00:43:38,034 --> 00:43:40,704
and tell you that I fought
50 men and I beat 'em all.
1009
00:43:40,829 --> 00:43:43,248
That I'm the only
undisputed champion in history.
1010
00:43:45,667 --> 00:43:46,668
I'm a storyteller.
1011
00:43:46,793 --> 00:43:48,169
I'm a performer.
1012
00:43:48,294 --> 00:43:51,256
And the people are gonna
believe whatever I tell 'em.