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[Music - "Over at the Frankenstein Place"]
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[Music continues]
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- [Richard O'Brien] How extraordinary.
- [Music fades]
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- And look at these beautiful trees.
- [Film-maker] Mm-hm.
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[O'Brien] 'Cause they...
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they're 70 years older
than they were when I lived here.
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Which one was it?
It's around here somewhere.
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This one here, I think.
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- How wonderful.
- [Birdsong]
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- You can see...
- [He stammers]
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-...how lovely this would have been.
- [Film-maker] Absolutely.
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[O'Brien]One day, I'd done
something that I shouldn't have done,
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and I was being reprimanded
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- and sent to my room.
- [Film-maker] Mm-hm.
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But I didn't...
You know, that room I had,
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I shared with my two brothers.
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And so, they sent me to Gilly's room.
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"And don't you come out."
You know, blah, blah, blah.
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And I went into this bedroom,
sat on the bed with a book.
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And it was raining outside,
and it was warm and cosy, and I thought...
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..."I can't think of
anything better than this."
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Is this punishment?
'Cause this is wonderful!
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[O'Brien, Film-maker laugh]
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- [O'Brien] Hello. You are?
- I'm the neighbour across the road.
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- Are you?
- I know the owners
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- of your historic house.
- Oh, gosh.
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- We call it the Rocky Horror House.
- Do you really?
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- We do!
- No, stop it!
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- It's famous!
- Good heavens above!
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- It's famous!
- [She chuckles]
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- Nice to meet you. Your name is?
- Nice to meet you. Sue.
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- Sue.
- Sue Middleton.
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- God bless you.
- Lovely to meet you, Richard.
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- Au revoir.
- Bye.
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[Music - "I'm Going Home"]
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♪ On the day I went away
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♪ Goodbye
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♪ Was all I had to say
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♪ Now I
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♪ I want to come again and stay
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♪ Oh, my, my... ♪
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It used to stand
almost where I used to cut hair.
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- [Film-maker] Oh, right.
- [O'Brien] That's where they put it.
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That, you know,
this is where I used to stand.
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Because it exactly was.
And can you imagine?
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Can you imagine when I was a barber,
cutting people's hair like this,
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and I said to them...
and imagine if I'd gone,
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"Do, you know,
one day, all this will be torn down.
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"All this building that we're standing in
will be torn down
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"and there'll be a statue of me...
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- "wearing fishnets here."
- [Film-maker laughs]
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Can you imagine?
And what would he have said?
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"Yeah. Could you send for
the men with the white coats?"
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[O'Brien, Film-maker laugh]
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♪ I'm going home. ♪
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[Rising reversed cymbal]
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- [Music - "Time Warp"]
- [Narrator] I would like... to take you...
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- on a strange journey.
- ♪ It's astounding
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♪ Time is fleeting... ♪
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[Reporter]This crowd is lining up
for a film about transvestites,
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popular with young people
in 175 cities across the land.
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♪ But listen closely
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♪ Not for very much longer... ♪
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[Gene Siskel] Rocky Horror became much
more than a movie, it became an event.
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Every theatre where it plays
becomes something like a nightclub.
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- [Piano slide]
- ♪ I remember... ♪
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[Reporter]The movie, like these people,
wants to shock you, repulse you.
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I've seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show
137 times, as of tonight.
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- 91 with tonight.
- 122 times.
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I'll tell you one thing, though -
I'd hate to have to clean up
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after one of them
Rocky Horror Picture Shows.
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[Laughter]
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♪ Let's do the time warp again
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It's the only cult film, really,
that's ever had this kind of longevity.
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♪ It's just a jump to the left... ♪
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[Saxophone melody]
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- ♪ And then a step to the right... ♪
- [Fan] The music, the characters.
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The theme - "Don't dream it, be it."
The audience participation.
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Everything about the film, it's magical.
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♪ But it's the pelvic thrust
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♪ That really
drives you insa-a-a-a-a-ane... ♪
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[Host]Why don't we try it? Why don't we
go out there and see what it's like?
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If you haven't done it,
how would you know?
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[Music slows, distorts]
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It's not a movie, it's a way of life.
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[Music concludes on distorted chord]
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[Eerie music]
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[Trixie Mattel]When I first heard
about Rocky, I was 17 years old.
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I was shopping at the ShopKo
in Marinette, Wisconsin,
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and in this bargain bin, there was a DVD
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with this man with high heels
on the front of it
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and these big, red lips.
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And I was like, "It looks weird.
I think I'm gonna like it."
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And I took it home and watched it,
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and it was like hearing
a radio channel playing something
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that I just had never heard before.
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"Oh, my gosh! I've never
tasted, seen, smelled anything like this."
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Some people, when they're teenagers,
have the wherewithal
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to come out and live their truth.
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I was in a very primal
beginning stage of that,
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which is called hating yourself.
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And I knew to keep
all that shit to myself,
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but I also knew that this film,
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it was, like, very gay,
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but I was very much allowed to like it.
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[Music - "Fanfare I Don't Dream It"]
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♪ Don't dream it... ♪
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[Mattel]I made a trip to Milwaukee
to see it in a movie theatre.
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♪ Be it... ♪
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[Mattel]And I remember
the lights went down,
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and the spotlight came on,
and the shadow cast began.
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I don't know,
it was like being on another planet.
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♪ Don't dream it... ♪
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My understanding of myself was so small,
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and my understanding of, like, gay world
was even smaller.
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But this was like a pop-up book
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of rock-and-roll and sex and drugs
and the power of that.
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♪ Don't dream it... ♪
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[Mattel]By the second time
I was at Rocky, I was in Rocky.
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It was a very safe environment
to put on high heels and not call it drag.
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Because most of the cast
of Rocky where I was
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was straight men and straight women.
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And they were cross-dressing,
but we didn't really call it drag.
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We just called it "doing Rocky."
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♪ Be it... ♪
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[Mattel]When I started doing
"Science Fiction/Double Feature",
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they started calling me Trixie,
and that's just...
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I mean, that's how I ended up
getting the name.
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And, ironically, my stepdad -
who I had a very tough relationship with -
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used to call me a Trixie when I was
acting too feminine or too emotional.
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So, coming into college
being called a Trixie was a huge...
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it was like being called a faggot,
you know?
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And so, then, when I was in Rocky
and I got called Trixie,
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it went from
the worst thing I could think of
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to a name given to me
by probably my first chosen family.
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I feel like my drag name
got picked for me by Rocky.
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[Music continues]
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Every Halloween, when I watch Rocky,
I reflect on, like, wow, this...
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So much of what I have
came from my experience
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- of finding this film in a...
- [Music concludes]
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...in a ShopKo
in Marinette, Wisconsin for $5.
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[Waves crash, seagulls caw]
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[O'Brien] In 1964, at the age of 22,
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I was living in New Zealand.
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And for £110,
I spent five weeks at sea...
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...from Auckland to England.
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England was class-ridden
and dank and dark.
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And it was monochromatic -
a black and white society.
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And it was completely black and white
until 1967.
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[Upbeat music]
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[O'Brien]The year of love
and flower power.
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And suddenly,
England became technicolour.
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[Music continues]
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[O'Brien]I did jobs -
I would clean houses, pumped gas,
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I was a dustman.
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And in the evening times,
I'd be in this drama class,
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learning how to act.
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They were teaching the Method,
which we were all into those days.
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You had to he into the Method,
because this is a time
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when old-fashioned acting
was no longer acceptable
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because Marlon Brando was a method actor.
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Paul Newman was a method actor.
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You know, James Dean was a method actor.
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- [Music continues]
- You're tearing me apart!
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[O'Brien]I met my friend
Chrissie Shrimpton there,
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who was Mick Jagger's first girlfriend.
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We were both
at a rather crappy drama school
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called The Actors' Workshop,
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which was a sort of faux copy
of the one in New York.
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And Richard was a very serious young man.
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Really quite clever.
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And we became
very close friends very quickly.
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- You know, the reason why is because...
- [Music fades]
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...he just had
this sort of really deep quality,
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and really sensitive.
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[Jaunty music]
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[O'Brien]Chrissie was going down
to an audition of Gulliver’s Travels,
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and she said, "Come along with me."
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She didn't get the audition, but I did.
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The choreographer of Gulliver's Travels
was also choreographer in Hair.
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I got into that and went
'round the country with that musical,
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which is where I met your mother, Kimi.
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And during that period,
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Jesus Christ Superstar was being mounted,
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and everybody in Hair
auditioned for that.
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I got into Jesus Christ Superstar,
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and I was contracted to take over
the role of King Herod.
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I had about two rehearsals.
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I went on,
and Robert Stigwood, the producer,
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was sat up in the royal box,
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watching my rendition of King Herod.
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And he was a bit like Caesar
at the end of it.
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After I'd finished,
you'd kind of look up to the box,
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- and he went, "Hmm."
- [He inhales sharply]
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[He groans disapprovingly, laughs]
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[Music continues]
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[O'Brien] The director of
Jesus Christ Superstar
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was Jim Sharman, an Australian.
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He came into the theatre and pulled me
into one of the rooms and said,
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"I'm so sorry about what's happened.
I didn't know that was gonna happen.
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"But I'd like to work with you again.
I think you have some talent."
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And I said, "Thank you very much."
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But I thought this was lip service.
I didn't truly believe him.
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[Music continues]
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- [O'Brien] But you had just been born...
- [Music fades]
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...and I was trying to decide
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whether or not to stay in the theatre.
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Because, you know, waiting for
the phone to ring is not an option.
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- Right.
- [O'Brien] Um...
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I was contemplating,
because my responsibility now as a parent
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was to make sure that,
you know, I wasn't unemployed.
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And so, I was weighing up my options,
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whether I should return to New Zealand
and get a proper job
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- or stay as an actor...
- [He stammers]
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...and I really wasn't sure.
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[O'Brien]Just after that moment in time,
I said to Jim Sharman,
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I said,
"I'm writing a little musical myself,
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"which might amuse you.
It's amusing me.
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"Would you be interested
in listening to what I've got?"
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[Jim Sharman]At that time,
having just done three musicals,
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a lot of musicals were coming my way,
and I said,
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"I hope it's not religious."
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And, of course, it's the only one
that ended up with its own cult.
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And he came around
with a very reluctant Richard Hartley.
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[Richard Hartley]You know, he told Jim
that he had this idea for a rock musical.
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And I said, "Oh, my God.
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- "Not another one."
- [He laughs]
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It was a period when there were...
you know, everyone and their dog
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had a sort of rock musical
in their back pocket.
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And they sat there, and I played
"Science Fiction / Double Feature."
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Three times that night, actually,
I had to play that one...
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[Piano chord resonates,
guitar strings pluck]
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[O'Brien]..and a few of the other songs,
and read a little bit of the script.
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And Jim went away, and it was
silent for about three or four days.
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♪ Michael Rennie was ill
the day the earth stood still
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♪ But he told us where we stand
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♪ And Flash Cordon was there
in silver underwear
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♪ Claude Rains was the Invisible Man
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♪ Then something went wrong... ♪
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[O'Brien]
I got a phone call, and he said,
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"They've asked me to do another play
downstairs at the Royal Court Theatre.
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"But I've told them I only will if I can
have three weeks' fun upstairs first.
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"So, we're on."
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"And I need another 20 pages in two days
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- "and another five songs in two days."
- [He chuckles]
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♪ Science fiction
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♪ Double feature
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♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh
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♪ Doctor X
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♪ Oh-oh-oh
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♪ Will build a creature
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♪ See androids fighting
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♪ Brad and Janet
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♪ Anne Francis stars in
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♪ Oh, Forbidden Planet
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♪ Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh
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♪ At the late-night
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♪ Double-feature picture show. ♪
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- [Music concludes]
- Yeah, something like that, I think.
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[Film-maker] Awesome. So good to hear it.
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- And that's the single.
- [Film-maker laughs]
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Yeah, so, that's what he sang.
That was the first song.
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He didn't sing it as fast as that,
but anyway...
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- Was that fast? Was I?
- [Hartley] Yeah, it was fast.
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- Was I? I was trying to get out of here.
- [Laughter]
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- I've got a bus to catch.
- [Hartley] That was nerves.
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- Haven't got much time left, you see?
- [Laughter]
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not necessarily in a linear form.
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I'd write a song, and we'd put that there.
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I might have a little...
a joke might occur to me,
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and I'd pop it in or write it down
and scribble things.
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[Sharman]It happened very fast.
It was very instinctive.
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It was not much time for fears and nerves.
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The symbiotic relationship
of the creative team
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was thrilling to observe.
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So, you have Jim Sharman,
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such a talented director,
especially in musicals,
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which is the hardest thing to direct.
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The brilliant Richard O'Brien
with his baby,
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I basically suggested to Richard
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on the simple principle
that it's a rock-and-roll horror show,
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why don't we just call it what it is?
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[Nell Campbell]You have Brian Thompson,
the set designer.
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He and Jim had
an incredible relationship together.
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All the visuals,
they're just so unusual and original.
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Then you had Richard Hartley.
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It was a perfect combination.
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Richard O'Brien wrote the song,
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but Richard Hartley would finesse it
and make it blossom.
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[Music continues]
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[Hartley]Richard has a knack
for the simplicity in his songs.
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He has a way
of putting those lyrics to something
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that is very simple, memorable
and fits with the words.
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You know, that's a skill.
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The only person in the creative team
required now was a costume designer.
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[Sue Blane]My friend asked,
"Would you meet a director
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- "who's being really difficult..."
- [Music fades]
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"..about finding somebody
to do the costumes for a show?
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We've tried anybody who's any good,
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- and they've all turned it down.
- [She chuckles]
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[Music - "Sweet Transvestite"]
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[Campbell] You would think that,
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if you were casting a rock musical,
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that the director, Jim Sharman,
would be looking for,
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you know, very strong voices.
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Well, he wasn't.
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[Sharman]I didn't necessarily
cast an actor
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just because they had the technical skill
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to do something,
though, of course, they did.
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I was looking in their eyes and thinking,
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"Is this an interesting person?
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"What will they actually bring to this
that isn't already there?"
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[Music continues]
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[Tim Curry]I lived in
a tiny, crappy apartment
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on Paddington Street,
two doors away from a gym.
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And I was out on the sidewalk,
and I bumped into Richard.
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He was coming out of the gym.
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And I said,
"What were you doing in the gym?"
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And he said, "I'm looking for
a muscle man who can sing."
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I said, "Really?
Why do you need him to sing?"
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And then he told me
he'd written this musical.
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I read the script, and I thought
it was really good and quite funny.
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[Film-maker] What was the first impression
of the script when you read it?
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Very short.
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[Patricia Quinn] I looked at the script,
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and the character called Magenta
had about four lines.
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And I thought, "Mm."
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But she had the song,
which was the Usherette song,
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so I didn't... wasn't interested
in this Magenta person.
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I just wanted to do that song.
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[Curry]When I first read for the part,
I read it with a German accent,
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'cause he was called Frank-N-Furter.
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And one day, I was on a bus in London,
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and a woman in front of me
said to her lady friend,
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"Do you live in ty-own,
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or do you have a hoise in the count-rah?"
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And I thought, "That's it.
He ought to sound like the Queen."
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- [Music continues]
- How forceful you are, Brad.
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Such a perfect specimen of manhood.
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[O'Brien]When we were auditioning,
I wanted to play Eddie.
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Because Eddie gets out of a fridge,
sings a song,
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gets back in the fridge and disappears.
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But Jim said,
"I want you to play Riff-Raff."
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[Sharman]I always saw Richard
as Riff-Raff.
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His very gaunt, but very striking look.
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I did see in him a touch of Max Schreck
from Nosferatu.
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[Music concludes]
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[Campbell]One day,
Jim Sharman asked Richard,
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"Can you write a song
for the three servants
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"and they do a little dance together?"
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Well, Richard went home,
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and with his then-wife
and your mother, Kimi,
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first they invented a dance,
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and then Richard wrote a song
to match the dance.
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And then,
before rehearsal started the next morning,
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he swung by Richard Hartley's
tiny, tiny basement flat
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and they finessed the chorus
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and arrived on time for rehearsal
with "The Time Warp."
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♪ Oh, I remember
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♪ Doing the Time Warp
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♪ Drinking those moments when
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♪ Blackness would hit me
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♪ And the void would be calling, oh
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♪ Let's do the Time Warp again
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[O'Brien]The nice thing about it was
there was no pressure on us,
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'cause it didn't matter
if it didn't go any further.
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It really was a moment in time
and a moment of fun.
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- ♪ Time warp again. ♪
- [He scats]
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[Music concludes]
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[O'Brien] Yeah, so...
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[Gentle music]
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[Sharman]My approach was
to be inventive,
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to be improvisatory, to be playful.
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And we were looking towards
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some quite radical, experimental
Eastern European ways
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of kind of putting the audience
above the action
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and looking down in the tiny space.
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'Cause we didn't treat it as a theatre.
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We just created
the whole space as a stage.
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[Quinn]Necessity is
the mother of invention.
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So, being a 60-seat room,
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the set designer, Brian Thompson,
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put scaffolding everywhere.
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Our stage was the width of my hands here,
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and we only had one wooden chair.
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That was the set.
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And the problem, where to put the band?
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So, they made a cinema screen
and put the band behind that.
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So, that's why
the set became a cinema screen.
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We had nothing,
but that's why he did scaffolding,
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so we could climb up it
and have different places to sit.
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[Sharman]I was very much educated
in film by seeing late-night movies.
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I was very educated in film
by watching Weimar cinema.
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And I was very educated in theatre
by understanding Weimar cabaret.
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All of those things, I think,
came to play in Rocky Horror.
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I was also brought up
in a travelling boxing troupe.
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I also saw fairground shows
and popular culture,
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so the notion of actually
combusting high art and low art,
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that was new at the time,
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but it was something
that I very much embraced.
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And I would say Brian Thompson,
Richard Hartley and Sue Blane
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came out of exactly that same ethos.
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We created immersive theatre,
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not stuck behind the proscenium arch
in a picture frame.
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[Music continues]
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[Curry]It was a really good time.
It was very creative.
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And I remember reaching a crisis
fairly early on,
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because I would
snap out an order to somebody
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and they wouldn't quite jump to it.
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And I stopped
and had a sort of rather small tantrum
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and said, "Look, I can't be powerful
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"if you don't accept the power
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"and at least cringe a little."
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So, that took care of that
pretty quickly.
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I mean,
they were awfully good about that.
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Acting is a very competitive sport,
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and you have to take it on, you know?
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Like a prize fight.
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And I've lost a few in my time.
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[Music continues]
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[O'Brien]First preview, I was...
I was, um...
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I was nervous.
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The nerves... ran through me.
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We got to that
"Over at the Frankenstein Place",
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and they sang that line.
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♪ Over at the Frankenstein place. ♪
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And the audience laughed.
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That it wasn't gonna go too badly.
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That we were...
it was gonna be all right.
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If they're laughing at that,
then they'll laugh at anything.
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[He chuckles]
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[Music - "Over at the Frankenstein Place"]
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[Sharman]On the opening night,
just as we were about to start,
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there was a mighty blast of thunder
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- over London.
- [Thunder rumbles]
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[O'Brien]It was raining.
It was belting down.
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There was a skylight in the roof.
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I looked out and the lightning went...
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- [He mimics thunder crash]
-..and flashed!
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I'm sitting there going,
"Whoa! If that ain't a good omen,
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- "I don't know what is."
- [He chuckles]
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And I thought, "Something has started."
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The reviews the next morning...
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[Hartley]Barry Humphries said,
"Impossible to overpraise."
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And then, the Daily Mail
theatre critic gave it a rave review.
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So, within a week, we knew
it was going to be... probably had legs.
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[Music continues]
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[O'Brien]I don't think we knew
quite what to expect when it first opened.
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[Hartley]We were due
to play for three weeks,
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and then, it was sold out very quickly.
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[Blane]I got all these reports
from people in London saying,
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"You've no idea what's going on.
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"You know, you can't get a ticket for it.
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"It's absolutely amazing."
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And before I knew it, it was a huge hit
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and was going to transfer down Kings Road.
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[Belinda Sinclair]
It absolutely exploded,
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and it was shocking how successful it was
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and how people were really crushing
to get in and see it.
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This was something alive,
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something so funny
but also something quite tragic.
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Because one minute
you were in love with Frank-N-Furter,
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and the next minute you felt
terribly sorry for Frank-N-Furter.
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And you laughed at Brad and Janet,
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and then you felt
terribly scared for them.
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You know, there was so much in it,
emotionally.
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[Music continues]
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[O'Brien]The very first night
that we did the transfer -
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and we're now no longer
a fringe theatre event,
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we're in a proper theatre -
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Michael White came up, and he said,
"I think we've got a hit, Richard."
473
00:23:47,428 --> 00:23:50,559
I said, "Oh, really? Okay"
and got in the car and drove home.
474
00:23:50,726 --> 00:23:53,941
Don't count your chickens
until they're hatched, you know.
475
00:23:54,107 --> 00:23:56,571
- [Music - "Sweet Transvestite"]
- ♪ How do you do? I
476
00:23:56,738 --> 00:23:58,784
♪ See you've met my
477
00:23:58,951 --> 00:24:01,080
♪ Faithful handyman... ♪
478
00:24:01,247 --> 00:24:04,712
[Film-maker]Do you remember
the reaction in the audience
479
00:24:04,879 --> 00:24:07,927
when you first revealed yourself
and threw off the cloak?
480
00:24:08,094 --> 00:24:11,600
Yeah. Well, I had a rather good entrance
in the original play,
481
00:24:11,768 --> 00:24:14,690
because it was a tiny theatre,
482
00:24:14,858 --> 00:24:19,074
and I came down
a sort of wooden staircase.
483
00:24:19,241 --> 00:24:21,579
[Sharman] I actually asked Brian
484
00:24:21,745 --> 00:24:24,918
to adjust the height of the ramps,
485
00:24:25,085 --> 00:24:29,887
so that when his stilettos
stamped down on the floor,
486
00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:33,101
they would he at eye-height
with the audience.
487
00:24:33,268 --> 00:24:37,151
So that there would be
genuine fear of physical damage.
488
00:24:37,318 --> 00:24:41,409
♪ Transylvania... ♪
489
00:24:41,577 --> 00:24:44,875
This creature... walked down,
490
00:24:45,042 --> 00:24:49,300
and the most extraordinary shift happened.
491
00:24:49,467 --> 00:24:53,183
[Campbell]Once he hits the stage,
he just throws off his cape,
492
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:56,230
and there he is in the corset,
the garters, the fishnet,
493
00:24:56,397 --> 00:24:58,068
the whole god-damn caboodle.
494
00:24:58,234 --> 00:25:00,238
Everyone just went nuts.
495
00:25:00,405 --> 00:25:02,242
It was incredible.
496
00:25:02,409 --> 00:25:03,828
[Music continues]
497
00:25:03,995 --> 00:25:08,213
He turned around and gave them that smile,
and they went, "Yes."
498
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:10,216
And it surprised them.
499
00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:13,306
They were surprised
by their own attraction
500
00:25:13,473 --> 00:25:15,352
to this... this creature.
501
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,858
♪ I'll get you a satanic mechanic
502
00:25:19,025 --> 00:25:22,073
♪ I'm just a sweet transvestite... ♪
503
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,662
[Curry]Frank-N-Furter
as a variation on Frankenstein
504
00:25:24,829 --> 00:25:27,166
is obsessed with image
and the way that things look,
505
00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:30,673
but I see him and play him
as a kind of grisly...
506
00:25:31,843 --> 00:25:33,804
...real freak.
507
00:25:33,972 --> 00:25:36,894
[Curry]I was down in the middle
of the audience half the time,
508
00:25:37,061 --> 00:25:41,361
which was an extremely
vulnerable place to be,
509
00:25:41,528 --> 00:25:44,826
but a very authoritative
kind of place to be.
510
00:25:44,993 --> 00:25:46,663
And it gave me power.
511
00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:48,751
♪ And he's good for relieving my... ♪
512
00:25:48,917 --> 00:25:52,383
[Karen Tongson]What's so alluring
about Frank-N-Furter
513
00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:54,261
is his forward sexuality.
514
00:25:54,429 --> 00:25:56,182
He knows what he desires,
515
00:25:56,348 --> 00:25:59,939
and he expresses that,
and he pursues that freely.
516
00:26:00,106 --> 00:26:04,657
As a society,
we're taught to repress our desires
517
00:26:04,824 --> 00:26:07,914
or to feel shameful around our libido,
518
00:26:08,122 --> 00:26:10,753
and the fact of that sexual strength
519
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,091
becomes a thing that seems alluring.
520
00:26:13,257 --> 00:26:15,762
♪ Transylvania... ♪
521
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:18,142
[Mattel] That was my first awareness
522
00:26:18,309 --> 00:26:21,899
that when you cross-dress,
you become powerful.
523
00:26:22,067 --> 00:26:26,700
And for good or bad, you become
the most important person in the room.
524
00:26:26,867 --> 00:26:29,331
♪ I see you shiver with antici...
525
00:26:31,752 --> 00:26:33,381
♪..pation... ♪
526
00:26:33,548 --> 00:26:36,387
[Mattel]And for a man
to forfeit his privilege, right?
527
00:26:36,554 --> 00:26:38,306
Because we all commodify masculinity.
528
00:26:38,474 --> 00:26:41,146
Which, in theory,
means you step down the ladder in power.
529
00:26:41,312 --> 00:26:43,066
But by doing so, you step up the ladder.
530
00:26:43,233 --> 00:26:45,905
It doesn't make sense.
It's like a paradox.
531
00:26:46,072 --> 00:26:48,953
And that's what makes it
so compelling to watch.
532
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,126
[Music swells;
Blaring horns]
533
00:26:52,293 --> 00:26:54,755
- [Music concludes]
- [O'Brien] Frank-N-Furter coming on stage
534
00:26:54,923 --> 00:26:56,593
and throwing off that cape and going...
535
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:59,098
♪ I'm just a sweet transvestite. ♪
536
00:26:59,265 --> 00:27:01,269
...without any apology...
537
00:27:01,436 --> 00:27:02,813
is wonderful.
538
00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:05,360
It's so out-there and so in-your-face.
539
00:27:05,527 --> 00:27:08,283
Such a liberating role,
540
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:11,497
and I think it liberated other people.
541
00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:15,631
♪ Don't get strung out
by the way that I look
542
00:27:15,797 --> 00:27:18,762
♪ Don't judge a book by its cover
543
00:27:18,929 --> 00:27:22,978
♪ I'm not much of a man
by the light of the day
544
00:27:23,145 --> 00:27:26,986
♪ But by night I am one hell of a lover
545
00:27:27,153 --> 00:27:29,407
♪ I'm just a sweet transvestite
546
00:27:29,574 --> 00:27:31,119
♪ Ooh
547
00:27:31,286 --> 00:27:34,000
♪ From Transexual
548
00:27:34,167 --> 00:27:38,467
- ♪ Transylvania. ♪
- [Music concludes]
549
00:27:38,634 --> 00:27:39,970
- [Film-maker] Great.
- Something like that.
550
00:27:40,137 --> 00:27:42,517
I forget how songs go sometimes.
551
00:27:42,684 --> 00:27:46,023
I go, "Oh! What the fuck?
How did that go?
552
00:27:46,191 --> 00:27:48,862
[O'Brien, Film-maker laugh]
553
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:50,825
[Film-maker] You know,
your personal journey,
554
00:27:50,992 --> 00:27:55,125
for you to be your authentic self,
for you to feel comfortable saying
555
00:27:55,292 --> 00:27:58,381
that you're 30% female and 70% male,
556
00:27:58,549 --> 00:28:00,636
it took you a long time
to get to that point.
557
00:28:00,803 --> 00:28:03,809
Well, there's...
Yes, but, I mean...
558
00:28:03,976 --> 00:28:07,399
I remember the first time
I went out in a frock...
559
00:28:07,566 --> 00:28:09,695
and somebody said to me,
"Oh, you're out of the closet."
560
00:28:09,863 --> 00:28:13,661
I said, "Well, you see, the thing is,
I may well have been in the closet,
561
00:28:13,828 --> 00:28:15,832
"but the door was wide open, wasn't it?"
562
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,004
- [Film-maker laughs]
- You know what I mean?
563
00:28:18,171 --> 00:28:20,133
[Ruminative music]
564
00:28:23,765 --> 00:28:25,643
[O'Brien] At six-and-a-half, I remember,
565
00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:27,647
I was looking at
some magazine or something,
566
00:28:27,814 --> 00:28:29,818
and I blurted it out, you know.
567
00:28:29,985 --> 00:28:32,324
"I want to be the fairy princess
when I grow up."
568
00:28:32,491 --> 00:28:34,745
- And I remember him going...
- [He scoffs]
569
00:28:34,912 --> 00:28:38,418
I remember the look of...
and I remember that feeling of,
570
00:28:38,586 --> 00:28:42,009
"Whoops, I've said something I shouldn't."
571
00:28:43,095 --> 00:28:45,642
And... the shutters came down.
572
00:28:46,727 --> 00:28:49,858
And there was nowhere to go.
Even if I had said it in those days,
573
00:28:50,025 --> 00:28:53,657
there was no way my parents
would have known how to deal with it.
574
00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:58,458
I think it's the repression which causes
the insanity and the pain,
575
00:28:58,625 --> 00:29:00,337
and I used to beat myself up all the time.
576
00:29:00,504 --> 00:29:03,343
I was forever at war with myself...
577
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:05,264
and feeling desperate.
578
00:29:05,431 --> 00:29:08,102
[Chrissie Shrimpton]In the early days,
you didn't cross-dress,
579
00:29:08,270 --> 00:29:11,191
because it just wouldn't have happened.
580
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,407
I can remember when, you know,
he must have come out to Jane,
581
00:29:14,574 --> 00:29:17,455
and he was giving me a lift somewhere,
and he said,
582
00:29:17,621 --> 00:29:21,378
"If I decided to change sex,
would you still be my friend?
583
00:29:21,546 --> 00:29:23,884
And I thought..."Well, yeah.
584
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:27,348
"Yeah, I would be,
because I'm your friend."
585
00:29:27,515 --> 00:29:30,104
And he said,
"Why doesn't my wife understand?"
586
00:29:30,271 --> 00:29:32,108
And I said, "Well, it's quite different."
587
00:29:32,275 --> 00:29:34,654
You know, "I can't give you that opinion.
It's quite different."
588
00:29:34,821 --> 00:29:37,160
So, I think that sort of struggle
589
00:29:37,327 --> 00:29:41,835
to be accepted
on both levels of himself...
590
00:29:42,002 --> 00:29:43,881
And he did tell me once
591
00:29:44,048 --> 00:29:47,137
that he'd been born that way
and he wished he hadn't
592
00:29:47,305 --> 00:29:48,724
because it had been so difficult for him.
593
00:29:48,891 --> 00:29:52,357
I mean, I...
And he has paved the way for it,
594
00:29:52,524 --> 00:29:54,778
to open the door for many people
595
00:29:54,945 --> 00:29:57,659
who must have been suffering in that way.
596
00:29:57,825 --> 00:29:59,078
[Music continues]
597
00:29:59,245 --> 00:30:03,921
[O'Brien]About eight years ago,
I stepped off the edge of the abyss.
598
00:30:04,088 --> 00:30:07,720
Couldn't find my way up.
Couldn't break the surface.
599
00:30:07,887 --> 00:30:10,100
Locked in this kind of...
600
00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:13,606
dreadful well of despair.
601
00:30:13,773 --> 00:30:16,654
And then, I talked to my son on the phone,
my oldest boy Linus.
602
00:30:16,821 --> 00:30:18,866
And he said,
"Dad, you've got to understand
603
00:30:19,034 --> 00:30:21,372
"that we love you completely, absolutely.
604
00:30:21,539 --> 00:30:23,626
"It doesn't matter what you've done
or where you've been
605
00:30:23,793 --> 00:30:25,422
"or whatever has happened.
606
00:30:25,589 --> 00:30:28,761
"You... You are loved,
and we care for you."
607
00:30:28,928 --> 00:30:30,890
[Music continues]
608
00:30:32,644 --> 00:30:34,440
[Tongson] Our art expresses our desires,
609
00:30:34,607 --> 00:30:36,527
sometimes before
we understand them ourselves.
610
00:30:36,694 --> 00:30:39,950
Our art expresses
something about who we are
611
00:30:40,117 --> 00:30:43,123
before we can cut through the pressures
612
00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:45,754
to not be who we want to be.
613
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,760
And I think that that's maybe
what's happened in this case.
614
00:30:48,926 --> 00:30:52,016
I don't see it as sad.
I see it as actually kind of beautiful.
615
00:30:52,183 --> 00:30:54,145
[Music fades]
616
00:30:55,356 --> 00:30:57,318
[Film-maker]Can you tell us
about how you ended up
617
00:30:57,485 --> 00:30:59,697
seeing Rocky Horror for the first time?
618
00:30:59,864 --> 00:31:01,785
That was...
619
00:31:01,951 --> 00:31:03,997
thanks to...
620
00:31:04,165 --> 00:31:05,417
Britt Ekland.
621
00:31:05,584 --> 00:31:08,590
At the time, she was my girlfriend.
622
00:31:08,757 --> 00:31:11,513
Britt called and said...
623
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,265
"There is a musical here...
624
00:31:13,433 --> 00:31:15,813
"called The Rocky Horror Show,
625
00:31:15,979 --> 00:31:18,902
"and it's the rage of London."
626
00:31:19,069 --> 00:31:20,823
From the beginning,
627
00:31:20,989 --> 00:31:24,622
I felt it was a... an event
628
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:27,419
and something very, very special.
629
00:31:27,585 --> 00:31:32,262
I was taken by the cast
and the music immediately,
630
00:31:32,429 --> 00:31:35,768
enough so that I wanted
to make a deal that night.
631
00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:37,814
[Moody music]
632
00:31:37,982 --> 00:31:39,609
[Sharman] I would venture to say,
633
00:31:39,776 --> 00:31:42,449
because I think Lou is
a very shrewd producer,
634
00:31:42,615 --> 00:31:44,703
he might have had the thought, even then,
635
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:48,794
that by doing it at the Roxy
that might also trigger a film.
636
00:31:48,961 --> 00:31:53,261
[Lou Adler]I wanted to put it
into the Poxy in Los Angeles
637
00:31:53,429 --> 00:31:57,479
because of the way that it
was presented in London.
638
00:31:57,645 --> 00:32:01,527
The Roxy was perfect for it -
sort of cabaret.
639
00:32:01,695 --> 00:32:06,204
That you could go
beyond sitting in a theatre,
640
00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:10,045
but that you could enjoy
the whole experience of it.
641
00:32:10,212 --> 00:32:12,466
And in the back of my mind,
642
00:32:12,633 --> 00:32:15,932
I just envisioned it as a film...
643
00:32:16,098 --> 00:32:17,392
pretty much from the beginning.
644
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,899
- [Music continues]
- The casting for The Roxy,
645
00:32:21,067 --> 00:32:24,072
we had some very, very talented people,
646
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,869
most of who were local actors.
647
00:32:27,036 --> 00:32:31,963
I thought, pretty much,
I couldn't duplicate Tim Curry.
648
00:32:32,129 --> 00:32:35,637
That was somebody
that we had to bring over.
649
00:32:35,804 --> 00:32:37,891
And that went for Richard, also.
650
00:32:38,058 --> 00:32:42,483
But not only the fact that you were
getting the actor that was in it,
651
00:32:42,651 --> 00:32:44,404
but you were getting the creator.
652
00:32:44,571 --> 00:32:49,289
Opening night at the Roxy
was something really special.
653
00:32:50,416 --> 00:32:56,052
We had a turnout
of the rock-and-roll celebrities -
654
00:32:56,219 --> 00:32:58,223
the John Lennons.
655
00:32:58,390 --> 00:33:00,019
Everyone wanted to he there for it.
656
00:33:00,185 --> 00:33:03,483
[Curry]Lou Adler knew
how to put on a show.
657
00:33:03,650 --> 00:33:06,531
I mean, he had searchlights
outside the theatre,
658
00:33:06,698 --> 00:33:08,660
- in the sky, and...
- [Music fades]
659
00:33:08,827 --> 00:33:10,998
...it was a big deal.
660
00:33:11,165 --> 00:33:13,587
[Suspenseful music]
661
00:33:13,754 --> 00:33:15,591
[Film-maker]Were you pleased
when you heard a movie might get made
662
00:33:15,758 --> 00:33:17,093
about the play?
663
00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:19,389
[O'Brien]It was great.
There had been overtures.
664
00:33:19,557 --> 00:33:24,149
Mick Jagger's company approached me
and wanted to buy the film rights.
665
00:33:24,316 --> 00:33:27,489
And I went into the theatre that night
and said,
666
00:33:27,656 --> 00:33:29,326
"Jim, I just met with
Mick Jagger's people.
667
00:33:29,493 --> 00:33:31,163
"He wants to buy the film rights."
668
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:34,127
He said, "Don't do that."
I said, "Why not?"
669
00:33:34,294 --> 00:33:37,133
He said,
"Because then we won't be able to do it.
670
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:39,429
"If he does it,
we won't be able to do it."
671
00:33:39,596 --> 00:33:41,433
I went, "Oh! All right."
672
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,356
[Film-maker]Can you tell me about
how the movie came together?
673
00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:48,280
[Adler]My attorney at the time,
Gordon Stulherg
674
00:33:48,447 --> 00:33:51,620
moved on to become
the head of 20th Century Fox,
675
00:33:51,787 --> 00:33:54,835
so that connection gave me
676
00:33:55,002 --> 00:33:58,133
the real possibility of making a deal.
677
00:33:58,299 --> 00:34:02,057
I invited Gordon to the show, and I said,
678
00:34:02,224 --> 00:34:05,355
"You can't come
unless you bring your kids with you."
679
00:34:05,522 --> 00:34:08,737
I think Gordon went along
with what the audience
680
00:34:08,904 --> 00:34:12,411
was providing to him as excitement,
681
00:34:12,578 --> 00:34:17,588
and the kids in his ear
as he was driving home.
682
00:34:18,673 --> 00:34:20,594
I don't think he ever understood
what he...
683
00:34:20,761 --> 00:34:22,639
- [He chuckles]
-..the deal that he made.
684
00:34:22,806 --> 00:34:25,395
[O'Brien]And one of
the great things about this
685
00:34:25,562 --> 00:34:29,987
is that we were a fringe theatre event,
and we were allowed to make a movie.
686
00:34:30,154 --> 00:34:34,037
And not only that,
Jim was allowed to direct it.
687
00:34:34,204 --> 00:34:38,212
Not only that, Brian Thompson
was allowed to be the artistic director.
688
00:34:38,378 --> 00:34:41,594
Not only that,
Tim was allowed to play the lead role.
689
00:34:41,761 --> 00:34:45,811
That's very rare, especially when
it's American Hollywood money.
690
00:34:45,977 --> 00:34:49,275
They go, "Oh, we better recast.
Get a name in."
691
00:34:49,442 --> 00:34:53,158
And that didn't happen.
We were all allowed to play.
692
00:34:53,325 --> 00:34:56,456
[Adler]The normal fight
in those situations
693
00:34:56,623 --> 00:35:01,133
is for the studio to say,
"We want names."
694
00:35:01,299 --> 00:35:05,808
But because the film costs
a little under a million dollars,
695
00:35:05,975 --> 00:35:08,522
and, to be very truthful,
696
00:35:08,689 --> 00:35:12,237
Michael White and I
guaranteed the million,
697
00:35:12,405 --> 00:35:15,828
so that if the film
did not complete filming
698
00:35:15,995 --> 00:35:18,040
or didn't come out well, et cetera,
699
00:35:18,207 --> 00:35:20,295
we would be the losers.
700
00:35:20,461 --> 00:35:22,800
[Lively music]
701
00:35:22,967 --> 00:35:24,762
I mean, the excitement,
to me, of the film
702
00:35:24,929 --> 00:35:28,603
very much was in the fact that, for once,
there wasn't something that was created
703
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:34,489
by a sort of massive concern
and sort of pulped out.
704
00:35:34,656 --> 00:35:38,372
We've kept the sort of basic core
of the original people...
705
00:35:38,539 --> 00:35:40,835
through the various
sort of transformations
706
00:35:41,002 --> 00:35:42,923
as the sort of monster has grown.
707
00:35:43,089 --> 00:35:44,676
[Moody music]
708
00:35:44,843 --> 00:35:47,933
[Campbell]When he was told
what the budget was, how low it was,
709
00:35:48,099 --> 00:35:49,811
Jim said, at that moment, he realised
710
00:35:49,978 --> 00:35:52,274
he wasn't going to be making
a Hollywood film,
711
00:35:52,442 --> 00:35:54,571
he would be making an underground film
712
00:35:54,738 --> 00:35:58,663
more in the line of Warhol
and Derek Jarman.
713
00:35:58,829 --> 00:36:00,290
Power.
714
00:36:00,457 --> 00:36:04,298
I don't create it, I own it.
715
00:36:04,465 --> 00:36:06,887
[Campbell]Three people that wanted
to play the roles were Mick Jagger,
716
00:36:07,054 --> 00:36:09,684
Lou Reed and, of course, David Bowie.
717
00:36:09,851 --> 00:36:12,356
[Quinn] So, no Mick Jaggers, no Bowies.
718
00:36:12,523 --> 00:36:15,070
He said, "I'm having the original cast."
719
00:36:15,237 --> 00:36:17,032
- [Music stops]
- Thank you, Jim.
720
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,205
- [She chuckles dryly]
- Wasn't he wise?
721
00:36:20,372 --> 00:36:22,334
[Gentle music]
722
00:36:23,712 --> 00:36:27,218
I heard about Rocky through Joel Thurm,
723
00:36:27,386 --> 00:36:30,517
who was the casting director,
who had asked me,
724
00:36:30,684 --> 00:36:33,440
would I he interested
maybe in coming to LA
725
00:36:33,606 --> 00:36:36,361
and doing the production at the Poxy?
726
00:36:36,529 --> 00:36:39,075
And I said I didn't really
want to do stage at that point.
727
00:36:39,242 --> 00:36:41,664
But if there's ever a movie,
please come to me
728
00:36:41,831 --> 00:36:44,377
and talk to me
about playing a character in it.
729
00:36:44,544 --> 00:36:46,131
Brad Majors.
730
00:36:46,298 --> 00:36:48,635
- This is my fiancée Janet "Veiss."
- Weiss.
731
00:36:48,803 --> 00:36:50,681
- Weiss.
- [He clears throat]
732
00:36:50,849 --> 00:36:54,147
[Joel Thurm]The role, I think it could
have been custom-made for Barry.
733
00:36:54,314 --> 00:36:56,818
I mean, you need a good singer,
you need a great-looking guy,
734
00:36:56,986 --> 00:36:58,822
you needed someone
who looks very all-American.
735
00:36:58,989 --> 00:37:02,580
He was perfect for it, I mean,
in every possible way.
736
00:37:02,747 --> 00:37:05,461
And Susan came about all indirectly,
737
00:37:05,628 --> 00:37:09,218
because I knew that Susan
wanted to do the project.
738
00:37:09,386 --> 00:37:12,140
- [Music continues]
- [Barry Bostwick] Joel was very sneaky,
739
00:37:12,307 --> 00:37:14,646
because Susan,
who was a friend of mine at the time,
740
00:37:14,813 --> 00:37:17,109
he was interested in her to play Janet.
741
00:37:17,275 --> 00:37:20,866
[Thurm]Her agents did not
want her to audition for the piece,
742
00:37:21,033 --> 00:37:23,162
and I found a way to get around it
that was very simple.
743
00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:26,627
When Barry was
coming in for his audition,
744
00:37:28,756 --> 00:37:31,720
And I went by just to say hi,
and they were like,
745
00:37:31,888 --> 00:37:33,683
"Oh, my gosh! What a good idea!
746
00:37:33,850 --> 00:37:35,353
"Why don't you...
Would you read Janet?"
747
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,607
[Thurm] I'm on stage, reading with Barry,
748
00:37:37,774 --> 00:37:39,486
and then I stop in the middle.
I say, "Wait a minute.
749
00:37:39,653 --> 00:37:42,492
"Why is this 30-year-old balding man
reading with you
750
00:37:42,659 --> 00:37:44,538
"when we have a lovely woman?
751
00:37:44,705 --> 00:37:47,669
"Susan, can you do me a favour
and can you please read with Barry?"
752
00:37:47,836 --> 00:37:50,425
So, in other words,
she wasn't auditioning.
753
00:37:50,592 --> 00:37:52,387
She was helping me read an actor.
754
00:37:52,554 --> 00:37:54,140
- [Car horn]
- Oh, Brad, wasn't it wonderful?
755
00:37:54,307 --> 00:37:56,269
Didn't Betty look radiantly beautiful?
756
00:37:56,436 --> 00:37:59,818
Oh, I can't believe it. An hour ago,
she was plain old Betty Munroe,
757
00:37:59,985 --> 00:38:01,321
and now...
758
00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:04,327
- now she's Mrs Ralph Hapschatt.
- [She inhales swooningly]
759
00:38:04,494 --> 00:38:06,999
Janet at that time felt, to me,
760
00:38:07,166 --> 00:38:10,088
like a satire of every ingénue
I'd ever played.
761
00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:14,055
You keep your hands to yourself,
and you talk to me.
762
00:38:14,222 --> 00:38:16,851
[Susan Sarandon]You know, somebody who's
kind of wide-eyed and sweet,
763
00:38:17,019 --> 00:38:21,986
but underneath is a bitch and,
you know, is just waiting to be liberated.
764
00:38:22,154 --> 00:38:23,281
And so, I read it.
765
00:38:23,448 --> 00:38:25,619
What's happening here?
766
00:38:25,786 --> 00:38:27,038
Where's Brad?
767
00:38:27,205 --> 00:38:29,627
Where's anybody?!
768
00:38:29,794 --> 00:38:32,925
When Susan started reading,
Jim Sharman said, "Who is she?"
769
00:38:33,092 --> 00:38:37,350
Because, you know, Susan is just,
as we know, she's extraordinary.
770
00:38:37,518 --> 00:38:41,651
[Sharman]In the words of the song,
she had Bette Davis eyes.
771
00:38:41,818 --> 00:38:44,991
Those saucer eyes
could wipe everybody off the screen.
772
00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:46,535
[He chuckles]
773
00:38:46,702 --> 00:38:48,706
And sometimes did.
774
00:38:48,873 --> 00:38:52,255
[Bostwick] I remember
standing up on this little stage,
775
00:38:52,422 --> 00:38:55,177
and I thought the focus
was gonna be on me.
776
00:38:55,344 --> 00:38:57,265
And apparently...
777
00:38:57,432 --> 00:38:59,352
who they were really looking at
was Susan,
778
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,233
as I, in their minds -
and I didn't know it -
779
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,861
already had the job.
780
00:39:04,028 --> 00:39:06,533
And Joel was just sort of suckering me in.
781
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:08,119
[Moody music]
782
00:39:08,287 --> 00:39:12,712
[Sarandon]And the next thing I knew,
I was going off to be in this film.
783
00:39:12,879 --> 00:39:15,468
[O'Brien]And of course,
one of the nicest things about that
784
00:39:15,635 --> 00:39:19,601
is Susan Sarandon and Barry Bostwick
came across from America
785
00:39:19,768 --> 00:39:23,734
into a world which we already inhabited.
786
00:39:23,901 --> 00:39:26,322
Which was fantastic, because...
787
00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:28,952
that's exactly
what was supposed to happen.
788
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,709
And it couldn't have been
more truthful and more obvious.
789
00:39:32,876 --> 00:39:36,133
And rehearsing was a dream,
because we all knew what we were doing.
790
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:39,765
And they came in,
you know, the green virgins,
791
00:39:39,932 --> 00:39:42,019
and it was perfect.
792
00:39:42,187 --> 00:39:43,981
[Bostwick]I think
it's very good for the film,
793
00:39:44,148 --> 00:39:47,029
because we were strangers
in a strange land, you know?
794
00:39:47,196 --> 00:39:48,449
In a very strange land.
795
00:39:48,616 --> 00:39:50,412
[Frank-N-Furter]
Oh, come on, Brad, admit it.
796
00:39:50,578 --> 00:39:52,416
You liked it, didn't you?
797
00:39:52,582 --> 00:39:55,672
There's no crime
in giving yourself over to pleasure.
798
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,260
[Quirky music]
799
00:39:58,427 --> 00:40:03,311
Well, we'd found this house in Bray
called Oakley Court,
800
00:40:03,478 --> 00:40:06,861
and it's been used over the years
for Hammer horror films.
801
00:40:07,027 --> 00:40:09,950
Hammer being
the British horror movie company,
802
00:40:10,117 --> 00:40:12,705
sort of like a Roger Gorman equivalent.
803
00:40:12,872 --> 00:40:14,751
[Thrilling music;
Dracula shrieks]
804
00:40:14,917 --> 00:40:16,546
[John Goldstone]
But the advantage of that was,
805
00:40:16,713 --> 00:40:18,967
right next door was Bray Studios,
806
00:40:19,135 --> 00:40:21,347
which was quite small,
807
00:40:21,514 --> 00:40:23,935
only half a dozen sound stages.
808
00:40:24,102 --> 00:40:27,025
[Sinister music]
809
00:40:27,192 --> 00:40:30,657
[Sharman]I wanted to make it
as an homage to Hammer horror,
810
00:40:30,824 --> 00:40:33,413
and so, we chose that studio to do it in.
811
00:40:33,580 --> 00:40:36,586
But it wasn't the best-equipped studio,
812
00:40:36,753 --> 00:40:39,382
and we gave ourselves
a few problems there.
813
00:40:41,053 --> 00:40:42,222
[Tiles clatter]
814
00:40:42,388 --> 00:40:43,934
Great Scott!
815
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,898
[Sharman]
I think the consequences of that
816
00:40:47,065 --> 00:40:52,617
were that there are elements in the film
where it's like a B-movie.
817
00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:55,456
And sometimes that's deliberate.
818
00:40:55,623 --> 00:40:58,921
For instance, the special effects people
were shocked when I said,
819
00:40:59,089 --> 00:41:01,301
"No, the special effects are too good.
820
00:41:01,468 --> 00:41:03,806
"They've got to be really bad."
821
00:41:03,973 --> 00:41:06,018
[Stirring music;
Laser beam ripples]
822
00:41:06,185 --> 00:41:07,772
[Rocky grunts]
823
00:41:07,939 --> 00:41:10,193
[Sharman]Some people think
that's bad film-making,
824
00:41:10,361 --> 00:41:11,530
but actually it's deliberate.
825
00:41:11,697 --> 00:41:13,909
Also, with the Transylvanians,
826
00:41:14,076 --> 00:41:16,623
I didn't want people
who necessarily were like
827
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:20,338
a sort of Broadway chorus
translated to film.
828
00:41:20,505 --> 00:41:24,263
And so, the fact that they
don't dance in synchronicity,
829
00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:26,684
but they actually dance
like people might dance at a party.
830
00:41:26,852 --> 00:41:31,152
Many things that people took to be errors,
831
00:41:31,319 --> 00:41:33,991
they were part of subverting the form.
832
00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:36,954
But there are other times,
because we were actually
833
00:41:37,122 --> 00:41:40,128
on a B-picture budget
and a B-picture schedule,
834
00:41:40,295 --> 00:41:43,426
that it's genuinely a B-picture,
835
00:41:43,593 --> 00:41:45,430
but I can't tell you which were which.
836
00:41:45,597 --> 00:41:47,309
I mean, life is full of contradictions,
837
00:41:47,476 --> 00:41:50,147
and so is the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
838
00:41:50,314 --> 00:41:52,234
I'm really an old-fashioned girl.
839
00:41:52,402 --> 00:41:54,740
I like a beginning, a middle
and an end, you know?
840
00:41:54,907 --> 00:41:57,663
I think that's all it is, really,
is an action story.
841
00:41:57,829 --> 00:42:00,542
It's like Saturday-morning pictures.
In fact, the filming here has,
842
00:42:00,710 --> 00:42:02,546
from time to time,
especially in the laboratory,
843
00:42:02,714 --> 00:42:04,927
got very like Saturday-morning pictures.
It was really good.
844
00:42:05,094 --> 00:42:07,765
- [Music - "Time Warp"]
- ♪ It's astounding
845
00:42:07,933 --> 00:42:11,314
♪ Time is fleeting
846
00:42:11,481 --> 00:42:14,362
♪ Madness takes its toll... ♪
847
00:42:14,529 --> 00:42:16,241
[Magenta exclaims excitedly]
848
00:42:16,408 --> 00:42:17,868
[O'Brien]The biggest change
was that "Time Warp"
849
00:42:18,036 --> 00:42:20,916
used to come after "Sweet Transvestite",
850
00:42:21,083 --> 00:42:25,426
and when we did the movie,
we decided to put it first.
851
00:42:25,592 --> 00:42:28,515
The nice thing about that is,
there's that party music
852
00:42:28,682 --> 00:42:31,771
as Brad and Janet get into the house
and into the lives of these people,
853
00:42:31,938 --> 00:42:34,569
and it delays Frank's entrance.
854
00:42:34,736 --> 00:42:36,363
And that delay is good,
855
00:42:36,531 --> 00:42:38,744
because holding that back
for another five minutes
856
00:42:38,910 --> 00:42:41,081
is well worth it, really.
Adds to the tension.
857
00:42:41,248 --> 00:42:44,504
- [Music continues]
- ♪ And the void would be calling
858
00:42:44,671 --> 00:42:48,679
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again
859
00:42:50,141 --> 00:42:54,357
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again... ♪
860
00:42:54,524 --> 00:42:56,403
[Music stops, resonates]
861
00:42:56,570 --> 00:42:58,741
It's just a jump to the left.
862
00:42:58,908 --> 00:43:00,620
[Music resumes]
863
00:43:00,787 --> 00:43:02,207
♪ And then a step
to the ri-i-i-i-ight... ♪
864
00:43:02,373 --> 00:43:04,628
[Sharman]I certainly did have
the idea of it being
865
00:43:04,795 --> 00:43:08,218
more of a dark fairy-tale
than the stage version.
866
00:43:08,385 --> 00:43:11,975
The show is a rock-and-roll show,
and the film is a surreal dream.
867
00:43:12,142 --> 00:43:17,069
And I wanted to take the audience
into a different world
868
00:43:17,236 --> 00:43:21,285
where ambiguity was the norm,
not the exception.
869
00:43:21,452 --> 00:43:25,377
It's a sort of 1970s version
of The Wizard of Oz.
870
00:43:25,544 --> 00:43:28,216
- [Music continues]
- ♪ It's so dreamy
871
00:43:28,383 --> 00:43:31,430
♪ Oh, fantasy, free me
872
00:43:31,597 --> 00:43:34,186
♪ So you can't see me... ♪
873
00:43:34,353 --> 00:43:36,774
[Adler] One thing we always wanted
874
00:43:36,941 --> 00:43:39,071
was that,
even though it went to the big screen,
875
00:43:39,238 --> 00:43:42,953
it never lost the intimacy of the play.
876
00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:46,794
[Hartley]I think, somehow,
we managed to make it on-budget.
877
00:43:46,961 --> 00:43:49,967
It was tough. It was very tough.
There were all sorts of pitfalls.
878
00:43:50,134 --> 00:43:53,725
♪ Like you're under sedation
879
00:43:53,892 --> 00:43:58,776
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again... ♪
880
00:43:58,943 --> 00:44:00,947
[Quinn] The movie was a six-week shoot.
881
00:44:01,114 --> 00:44:04,078
To do a musical in six weeks, unheard of.
882
00:44:04,245 --> 00:44:06,374
We just worked our asses off.
883
00:44:06,541 --> 00:44:09,464
I mean, there's even photos
of Richard on the floor asleep.
884
00:44:09,631 --> 00:44:12,428
It was great but exhausting.
It was very hard work.
885
00:44:12,595 --> 00:44:14,224
♪ He had a pick-up truck... ♪
886
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:15,809
[Hartley]You know,
we were all very young,
887
00:44:15,976 --> 00:44:17,480
and it was all kind of dangerous.
888
00:44:17,647 --> 00:44:20,945
We were working by the seat of our pants,
really, to get this done.
889
00:44:21,111 --> 00:44:25,078
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again... ♪
890
00:44:25,246 --> 00:44:27,291
[Sarandon] It was a very low-budget film.
891
00:44:27,458 --> 00:44:29,796
When I got to London,
I didn't have anywhere to stay,
892
00:44:29,963 --> 00:44:31,675
and I kept moving every two or three days.
893
00:44:31,841 --> 00:44:33,845
I would take my birth-control pills
and my toothbrush,
894
00:44:34,012 --> 00:44:37,269
and I would go into a new apartment,
like, every few days.
895
00:44:37,435 --> 00:44:41,945
It was quick.
I was wet and miserable most of the time.
896
00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:44,951
[Sarandon]But I remember
the whole experience being fun.
897
00:44:45,118 --> 00:44:47,163
There was something
about not having money.
898
00:44:47,330 --> 00:44:50,420
And it was so humble
and added to the edginess of it,
899
00:44:50,586 --> 00:44:54,928
because it kept the style
of what the theatre presented.
900
00:44:55,096 --> 00:44:59,604
At the time, we were all still
so astonished to be filming it at all.
901
00:44:59,771 --> 00:45:02,277
And I loved every minute of it.
902
00:45:02,444 --> 00:45:04,656
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again. ♪
903
00:45:04,823 --> 00:45:07,202
[Music slows, distorts]
904
00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:10,208
[Percussive thud]
905
00:45:10,376 --> 00:45:13,089
[Music concludes on distorted chord]
906
00:45:13,256 --> 00:45:15,887
[Alarm beeps, deep-freeze door creaks]
907
00:45:16,054 --> 00:45:17,264
[Frank-N-Furter exclaims]
908
00:45:17,431 --> 00:45:19,853
- Eddie!
- [Creaking continues]
909
00:45:20,020 --> 00:45:21,982
[Transylvanians scream, clamour]
910
00:45:24,028 --> 00:45:26,992
[Motorcycle engine roars]
911
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,372
[Film-maker]Do you remember
meeting Meat Loaf?
912
00:45:29,538 --> 00:45:31,626
I thought he was marvellous in the part.
913
00:45:31,793 --> 00:45:34,173
He got it, and, boy, could he sing it.
914
00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:36,844
- [Music - "Hot Patootie"]
- Whoo!
915
00:45:37,011 --> 00:45:39,850
♪ Whatever happened to Saturday night?
916
00:45:40,017 --> 00:45:42,146
♪ When you dressed up sharp
and you felt all right
917
00:45:42,314 --> 00:45:45,570
♪ It don't seem the same
since cosmic light
918
00:45:45,737 --> 00:45:49,244
♪ Came into my life,
I thought I was divine... ♪
919
00:45:49,412 --> 00:45:52,876
[Campbell] A charming Texan chubster
920
00:45:53,043 --> 00:45:55,507
with the voice of an angel
921
00:45:55,674 --> 00:45:58,095
and the power of a jet taking off.
922
00:45:58,262 --> 00:46:02,270
He is someone that lifted the roof off
when he started singing.
923
00:46:02,437 --> 00:46:04,984
♪ Hot patootie, bless my soul
924
00:46:05,151 --> 00:46:07,780
♪ Really love that rock-and-roll
925
00:46:07,948 --> 00:46:11,121
♪ Hot patootie, bless my soul
926
00:46:11,288 --> 00:46:14,169
♪ I really love that rock-and-roll
927
00:46:14,335 --> 00:46:18,886
[Tongson]Meat Loaf plays
the rockabilly reject monster,
928
00:46:19,052 --> 00:46:22,852
and to furnish multiple monsters
in one film
929
00:46:23,019 --> 00:46:28,112
and to talk about the shifting desires
that people have for certain types
930
00:46:28,279 --> 00:46:32,830
shows us how fickle our kind of
relationship to attractiveness is.
931
00:46:32,997 --> 00:46:36,337
How quickly do we move on
from the one thing that we think we love
932
00:46:36,504 --> 00:46:40,512
to this perfectly-sculpted
shinier version of that?
933
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,226
♪ My head, it used to swim
from the perfume I smelled
934
00:46:43,392 --> 00:46:46,023
♪ My hands kinda fumbled
with her white plastic belt
935
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:49,196
[Jack Black]I felt a psychic connection
with Meat Loaf right away.
936
00:46:49,363 --> 00:46:52,702
Felt like I was looking at
an older version of myself.
937
00:46:52,869 --> 00:46:55,250
I was feeling kind of a time warp,
938
00:46:55,416 --> 00:46:57,712
and I was seeing the possibilities.
Like, "I could do that."
939
00:46:57,879 --> 00:47:00,260
That fellow looks like
he could be my big brother
940
00:47:00,426 --> 00:47:01,929
or my father or something.
941
00:47:02,096 --> 00:47:05,311
Felt like he was in
my hillbilly family tree.
942
00:47:05,478 --> 00:47:09,820
I was like, "That guy is a big boy.
He's a big rocker."
943
00:47:09,987 --> 00:47:11,448
[Music continues]
944
00:47:11,615 --> 00:47:14,913
- ♪ Hot patootie
- ♪ Hot patootie, bless my soul
945
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,627
♪ I really love that rock-and-roll. ♪
946
00:47:17,794 --> 00:47:19,756
[Quinn] I'll never forget him.
947
00:47:19,923 --> 00:47:23,054
We were rehearsing, and I go in this day,
948
00:47:23,221 --> 00:47:26,769
and there's this guy, this redneck Texan,
949
00:47:26,937 --> 00:47:29,860
and he said to me, "Hi, hon."
950
00:47:30,027 --> 00:47:32,865
And I thought, "God, who's that?
951
00:47:33,033 --> 00:47:34,327
"Ghastly."
952
00:47:34,493 --> 00:47:36,164
[She chuckles]
953
00:47:36,331 --> 00:47:40,505
He'd done the show in LA,
but I'd never met him before.
954
00:47:40,672 --> 00:47:45,056
And this Texan, the Loaf, sang.
955
00:47:45,222 --> 00:47:48,855
And I thought, "Oh, my Cod."
956
00:47:49,022 --> 00:47:51,527
It was astonishing, that voice.
957
00:47:51,694 --> 00:47:54,700
And then, he came out to me on the set
and told me,
958
00:47:54,867 --> 00:47:59,000
"I was voted the best kisser
in my high school in Texas."
959
00:47:59,167 --> 00:48:00,378
I said, "Really?"
960
00:48:00,544 --> 00:48:03,092
- [Music stops]
- I said, "Well, we'll have to try that."
961
00:48:03,258 --> 00:48:04,636
So, he proceeded.
962
00:48:04,804 --> 00:48:07,100
And I said, "Mm...
963
00:48:07,266 --> 00:48:09,187
"Well, they were right.
964
00:48:09,354 --> 00:48:13,612
"You obviously were the best kisser
in your high school in Texas."
965
00:48:15,157 --> 00:48:17,120
[Stirring music]
966
00:48:18,539 --> 00:48:20,876
[Jack Black] I think I was nine or ten
967
00:48:21,043 --> 00:48:25,261
when my big sister took me
to see Rocky Horror Picture Show.
968
00:48:25,428 --> 00:48:26,805
I think I was a little too young.
969
00:48:26,972 --> 00:48:29,184
I was definitely
the youngest person in the audience,
970
00:48:29,351 --> 00:48:30,646
but it was a trip.
971
00:48:30,813 --> 00:48:32,274
[Music continues]
972
00:48:32,442 --> 00:48:35,405
[Black]I remember going in,
and it was a party atmosphere,
973
00:48:35,573 --> 00:48:37,702
and everyone was in costume.
974
00:48:37,869 --> 00:48:40,039
And I thought, "This is wild."
975
00:48:40,206 --> 00:48:43,212
And right from
the beginning of the movie,
976
00:48:43,379 --> 00:48:46,302
with the wedding scene,
I remember people were throwing rice,
977
00:48:46,469 --> 00:48:49,266
and it was like we were
in a wedding party.
978
00:48:49,433 --> 00:48:52,105
And everyone was just laughing
and having such a good time.
979
00:48:52,272 --> 00:48:56,155
And I remember thinking,
"Everyone’s already seen this movie,"
980
00:48:56,322 --> 00:48:59,161
because everyone's
doing stuff that is, like,
981
00:48:59,328 --> 00:49:02,667
they couldn't do it if they didn't know
what the next line was in the movie.
982
00:49:02,834 --> 00:49:06,759
So, I just remember being
just as amazed by the audience
983
00:49:06,926 --> 00:49:09,765
as I was by the movie itself, and, uh...
984
00:49:09,932 --> 00:49:11,477
[He laughs]
985
00:49:11,644 --> 00:49:14,190
...I knew I was experiencing
something special.
986
00:49:14,357 --> 00:49:16,987
- [Music continues]
- Also, no-one was sitting down.
987
00:49:17,154 --> 00:49:19,492
It was like a rock concert.
988
00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:22,289
People were standing up
almost the whole way through,
989
00:49:22,456 --> 00:49:24,962
and there was a lot of
joy and abandon in that room.
990
00:49:25,128 --> 00:49:27,174
[Reporter] What does it do for you?
991
00:49:27,341 --> 00:49:29,387
It... It just gets me excited every week.
992
00:49:29,554 --> 00:49:32,560
It's just something
I just gotta go every week and do it.
993
00:49:32,726 --> 00:49:35,858
[Black]I love that mixture
of rock-and-roll and theatre.
994
00:49:36,024 --> 00:49:37,987
I was taking it in.
995
00:49:38,154 --> 00:49:41,452
I was definitely feeling the rock,
and I was dancing around, jumping around.
996
00:49:41,619 --> 00:49:44,542
Definitely felt like
we're breaking the rules here.
997
00:49:44,709 --> 00:49:46,963
There are some norms being shattered,
998
00:49:47,130 --> 00:49:49,802
and there's some realities
being bent and twisted,
999
00:49:49,969 --> 00:49:51,681
and felt, like, naughty.
1000
00:49:51,848 --> 00:49:55,689
- [Music continues]
- There's a few events in my childhood
1001
00:49:55,856 --> 00:49:58,904
where I felt like
the course of my life had changed,
1002
00:49:59,070 --> 00:50:00,406
and that was one of 'em.
1003
00:50:00,573 --> 00:50:04,706
Seeing the possibilities
of rock-and-roll music on an audience
1004
00:50:04,874 --> 00:50:07,838
and that kind of audience participation
1005
00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:11,595
- was a major fuse that was lit.
- [Music fades]
1006
00:50:11,762 --> 00:50:13,974
I mean, these songs,
1007
00:50:14,142 --> 00:50:16,229
- they tickle the soul.
- [He chuckles]
1008
00:50:16,396 --> 00:50:19,026
[Unaccompanied]
♪ Touch-a, touch-a, touch-a, touch me
1009
00:50:19,194 --> 00:50:21,740
♪ I wanna be dirty. ♪
1010
00:50:21,907 --> 00:50:25,790
- [Music - "Touch-A, Touch-A, Touch Me"]
- ♪ I was feeling done in
1011
00:50:27,167 --> 00:50:29,004
♪ Couldn't win... ♪
1012
00:50:29,171 --> 00:50:31,927
[Sharman]I was very happy
with the whole cast of the film,
1013
00:50:32,094 --> 00:50:34,683
but it was only when we started filming
1014
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:39,441
and I saw Susan Sarandon
through the camera
1015
00:50:39,608 --> 00:50:42,489
when I realised
what a career that was going to be.
1016
00:50:42,656 --> 00:50:44,702
♪ Into heavy petting
1017
00:50:44,869 --> 00:50:49,128
♪ It only leads to trouble and... ♪
1018
00:50:49,294 --> 00:50:52,134
[Sarandon]Janet was trying
to be loyal to her idiot boyfriend
1019
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:56,183
and at the same time open
to feeling things that she hadn't felt,
1020
00:50:56,350 --> 00:50:59,189
experiencing things
she hadn't done before
1021
00:50:59,356 --> 00:51:02,111
and uncovering a deep sexuality.
1022
00:51:02,279 --> 00:51:05,075
- ♪ More, more, more!
- ♪ I'll put up no resistance... ♪
1023
00:51:05,242 --> 00:51:07,288
[Sarandon]I think
the movie's about saying yes,
1024
00:51:07,456 --> 00:51:09,208
to life and to everything.
1025
00:51:09,376 --> 00:51:12,089
- [Music continues]
- ♪ I've got an itch to scratch
1026
00:51:12,256 --> 00:51:15,262
♪ I need assistance
1027
00:51:15,429 --> 00:51:18,101
♪ Touch-a, touch-a, touch-a, touch me
1028
00:51:18,268 --> 00:51:21,441
♪ I wanna be dirty... ♪
1029
00:51:21,608 --> 00:51:24,697
[Tongson]The character of Janet
and her sexual liberation,
1030
00:51:24,865 --> 00:51:28,121
in many respects, it's just about
a woman who's just coming to terms
1031
00:51:28,288 --> 00:51:31,753
with being allowed to have sexual energy,
to have sexual desires.
1032
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,509
♪ While you pose... ♪
1033
00:51:34,675 --> 00:51:37,223
[Tongson]And I think that that was
an important message in the 1970s,
1034
00:51:37,389 --> 00:51:42,107
and it coincided with
that era of women's liberation,
1035
00:51:42,274 --> 00:51:45,447
especially in the wake of the right
to choose, and reproductive rights.
1036
00:51:45,614 --> 00:51:47,952
It was a way of acknowledging, like, wow,
1037
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,164
there have been so many
generations of women
1038
00:51:50,331 --> 00:51:54,089
who've repressed who they are sexually,
regardless of sexuality,
1039
00:51:54,256 --> 00:51:57,763
and Rocky Horror allowed women
1040
00:51:57,930 --> 00:52:01,645
to imagine what it would be like
to be an active sexual subject.
1041
00:52:01,813 --> 00:52:04,734
- [Music continues]
- ♪ Touch-a, touch-a, touch-a, touch me!
1042
00:52:04,902 --> 00:52:07,824
- ♪ Oh, I wanna be dirty... ♪
- [Sarandon] "Touch-A, Touch Me."
1043
00:52:07,992 --> 00:52:12,333
Peter, of course,
was just the shyest, quietest.
1044
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:16,091
And I think that was traumatising for him
1045
00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:18,052
to have to do that scene with me.
1046
00:52:18,220 --> 00:52:21,476
You know, I really had to invite him
to touch-a, touch-a, touch me,
1047
00:52:21,643 --> 00:52:23,731
because he was very nervous,
1048
00:52:23,898 --> 00:52:26,110
and clearly this was something
1049
00:52:26,277 --> 00:52:28,616
that was outside his previous experience.
1050
00:52:28,782 --> 00:52:31,830
- [Music continues]
- ♪ Creature of the night
1051
00:52:31,997 --> 00:52:34,586
- ♪ Creature of the night. ♪
- [Music concludes]
1052
00:52:34,753 --> 00:52:36,882
[Mellow music]
1053
00:52:37,049 --> 00:52:39,470
I'm not an actor by any means,
1054
00:52:39,637 --> 00:52:41,850
but I just tried to sort of
put whatever I could
1055
00:52:42,017 --> 00:52:44,355
into it at the time, that's all.
1056
00:52:44,521 --> 00:52:46,025
I was just sort of told,
"Do this and do that,"
1057
00:52:46,192 --> 00:52:49,198
and if I had to look miserable,
I did as best I could
1058
00:52:49,365 --> 00:52:52,246
to sort of look strained and ghastly.
1059
00:52:52,412 --> 00:52:54,708
- You know, whatever I had to do.
- Janet!
1060
00:52:54,875 --> 00:52:56,170
- Dr Scott!
- Janet!
1061
00:52:56,337 --> 00:52:57,339
- Brad!
- Rocky!
1062
00:52:57,506 --> 00:52:59,885
[Campbell]Imagine,
he'd never acted before,
1063
00:53:00,052 --> 00:53:04,395
and also he was naked the whole time,
except for one moment in bandages.
1064
00:53:04,561 --> 00:53:06,189
He was magnificent!
1065
00:53:06,357 --> 00:53:07,859
He was the only man with muscles
1066
00:53:08,026 --> 00:53:10,197
in the whole of the United Kingdom,
I might add.
1067
00:53:10,364 --> 00:53:15,165
[Peter Hinwood]I was quite insecure about
my talents and abilities, you know?
1068
00:53:15,332 --> 00:53:17,295
Now it turns out I did okay.
1069
00:53:17,461 --> 00:53:19,758
All sort of a bit of a mystery, really.
1070
00:53:19,925 --> 00:53:21,971
[Music continues]
1071
00:53:24,726 --> 00:53:27,523
[Sharman]There was a lot of joy
in doing the show,
1072
00:53:27,690 --> 00:53:31,656
and while the film was a tough shoot -
which it was -
1073
00:53:31,823 --> 00:53:34,829
there was still a kind of joy.
1074
00:53:34,996 --> 00:53:37,042
The people doing it relished it,
1075
00:53:37,209 --> 00:53:41,050
and some of that relish
translated to the audience.
1076
00:53:41,217 --> 00:53:43,305
The old classic thing of, you know,
1077
00:53:43,472 --> 00:53:46,394
if you enjoy what you're doing,
other people will enjoy watching it.
1078
00:53:46,561 --> 00:53:48,356
[Gentle music]
1079
00:53:48,523 --> 00:53:50,611
[O'Brien]I don't know how
you got hold of this.
1080
00:53:50,778 --> 00:53:52,447
- How did you get hold of this?
- [Film-maker] Kimi had it
1081
00:53:52,615 --> 00:53:55,328
- in a drawer somewhere.
- Good heavens to Murgatroyd.
1082
00:53:55,495 --> 00:53:56,915
- [Music concludes]
- Here we are.
1083
00:53:57,082 --> 00:53:59,754
"How I loved those B-movies.
1084
00:53:59,921 --> 00:54:04,262
"In the '50s, low-budget films
were in a class of their own.
1085
00:54:04,429 --> 00:54:07,060
"Just how many were made is inestimable.
1086
00:54:07,227 --> 00:54:11,110
"Some dreadful, some excellent,
but most had one thing in common -
1087
00:54:11,276 --> 00:54:14,574
"the style of their acting.
1088
00:54:14,741 --> 00:54:18,624
"Ingredients - direct action,
bad casting, black and white values,
1089
00:54:18,791 --> 00:54:22,340
"comic strip dialogue...
and 100% belief."
1090
00:54:22,507 --> 00:54:26,055
Oh, my goodness me!
I was far more intelligent than I thought.
1091
00:54:26,222 --> 00:54:28,059
- [Film-maker chuckles]
- Well, that's what I've been saying.
1092
00:54:28,226 --> 00:54:33,988
The last thing was, there's all
these comments from "I'm Going Home."
1093
00:54:34,155 --> 00:54:36,577
I don't know if you want to read them,
or shall I read a couple to you?
1094
00:54:36,743 --> 00:54:38,413
- Well, go on, you read them.
- [Film-maker] Okay.
1095
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:40,835
So, "I played this
at my husband's funeral.
1096
00:54:41,002 --> 00:54:44,550
"This movie meant a lot to us, but this
song took on new meaning when he died.
1097
00:54:44,717 --> 00:54:48,016
"It gave me good memories
and broke my heart all at the same time."
1098
00:54:48,183 --> 00:54:50,938
I mean, "I love this song so much.
Actually, the whole movie,
1099
00:54:51,105 --> 00:54:53,234
"but the scene gets me in the feels,
1100
00:54:53,401 --> 00:54:55,739
- "and I cry every time I see it."
- Heavens.
1101
00:54:58,453 --> 00:55:00,122
"Ever since I was 14, it was tradition.
1102
00:55:00,290 --> 00:55:02,794
"Sadly, she passed away
in January of this year,
1103
00:55:02,961 --> 00:55:04,381
"and I miss her
more than words can express."
1104
00:55:04,548 --> 00:55:06,051
Oh, dear.
You're going to get me going in a moment.
1105
00:55:06,218 --> 00:55:08,013
[Film-maker]
"This song reminds me of a simpler time,
1106
00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:10,309
"of how I wish I could go back home."
1107
00:55:10,477 --> 00:55:12,355
I mean, it's a lot of...
1108
00:55:12,523 --> 00:55:15,027
This is the reason
I wanted to make the documentary,
1109
00:55:15,194 --> 00:55:19,244
because when you read the comments,
it goes on for pages and pages.
1110
00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:22,041
- Good heavens.
- [Film-maker] So, that's why I was like,
1111
00:55:22,208 --> 00:55:24,838
this kind of needs to be
addressed and talked about,
1112
00:55:25,005 --> 00:55:27,635
because it's really touching.
1113
00:55:27,802 --> 00:55:29,847
So, I was wondering, I mean,
obviously, you know, they go on for days.
1114
00:55:30,015 --> 00:55:31,893
Can we watch
the "I'm Going Home" together?
1115
00:55:32,061 --> 00:55:33,605
- If you want to.
- I'd like to.
1116
00:55:33,772 --> 00:55:36,695
I'd like to, 'cause there's
some moments in it which are...
1117
00:55:36,861 --> 00:55:39,701
[Music plays - "I'm Going Home"
1118
00:55:40,828 --> 00:55:42,873
[Bostwick] It's such a beautiful song.
1119
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,088
And Tim just sings the crap out of it.
1120
00:55:46,255 --> 00:55:50,346
- [Music continues]
- ♪ On the day I went away
1121
00:55:50,514 --> 00:55:53,520
♪ Coodbye... ♪
1122
00:55:53,687 --> 00:55:57,068
[Bostwick] And you almost like him
1123
00:55:57,235 --> 00:55:58,864
by the end of the song.
1124
00:55:59,031 --> 00:56:02,078
And you forget
what a horrendous personality he has been
1125
00:56:02,245 --> 00:56:04,499
and how he's ruined people's lives.
1126
00:56:04,666 --> 00:56:07,631
And then, all of a sudden,
he's trying to...
1127
00:56:07,797 --> 00:56:10,053
pull on your heartstrings.
1128
00:56:10,219 --> 00:56:12,098
And he does such a good iob of that.
1129
00:56:12,265 --> 00:56:19,696
- [Music continues]
- ♪ I may
1130
00:56:19,863 --> 00:56:22,369
♪ 'Cause I've seen
1131
00:56:22,535 --> 00:56:24,581
♪ Oh
1132
00:56:24,748 --> 00:56:26,919
♪ Blue skies
1133
00:56:27,086 --> 00:56:30,300
♪ Through the tears... ♪
1134
00:56:30,468 --> 00:56:35,018
I knew it was a goodie because
it's the most vulnerable he ever is.
1135
00:56:35,185 --> 00:56:36,814
♪ And I realise... ♪
1136
00:56:36,980 --> 00:56:39,318
[Curry]I really looked forward
to shooting it
1137
00:56:39,485 --> 00:56:41,907
because I knew it was such a good song
1138
00:56:42,074 --> 00:56:45,205
and I wanted to do it right,
do it justice.
1139
00:56:46,541 --> 00:56:49,046
I was aware of the responsibility of that,
1140
00:56:49,213 --> 00:56:51,050
and I loved doing it.
1141
00:56:51,217 --> 00:56:54,807
♪ Like I'm outside in the rain
1142
00:56:54,974 --> 00:56:57,396
♪ Wheeling... ♪
1143
00:56:57,563 --> 00:56:59,400
[Jeffrey Weinstock]
I do think that's the moment
1144
00:56:59,567 --> 00:57:03,366
that elicits the most sympathy
and understanding for Frank-N-Furter.
1145
00:57:03,533 --> 00:57:06,121
And I believe it's a moment
that lots of people can share,
1146
00:57:06,288 --> 00:57:08,918
where things have spun out of control
1147
00:57:09,085 --> 00:57:11,591
but you see the light
at the end of the tunnel.
1148
00:57:11,758 --> 00:57:15,181
You're going home. You're gonna
go back to what's closest to your heart.
1149
00:57:15,347 --> 00:57:17,686
♪ 'Cause I've seen
1150
00:57:17,853 --> 00:57:19,940
♪ Oh
1151
00:57:20,107 --> 00:57:22,445
♪ Blue skies
1152
00:57:22,612 --> 00:57:25,869
♪ Through the tears
1153
00:57:26,036 --> 00:57:27,580
♪ In my eyes... ♪
1154
00:57:27,747 --> 00:57:31,505
[Jack Black]The irony of that song
is that he's not going home,
1155
00:57:31,671 --> 00:57:33,175
that he's about to die.
1156
00:57:33,342 --> 00:57:35,179
And then, there's an element to that song
1157
00:57:35,346 --> 00:57:37,975
where he's begging for his life
and he's begging for more,
1158
00:57:38,143 --> 00:57:42,234
just to stay alive
for a few more magical moments.
1159
00:57:42,401 --> 00:57:44,322
And I think we can all relate to that.
1160
00:57:44,489 --> 00:57:47,411
'Cause life is so short
and fleeting and beautiful.
1161
00:57:47,578 --> 00:57:49,749
You want it to go on forever.
1162
00:57:49,916 --> 00:57:54,383
♪ I'm going home
1163
00:57:58,432 --> 00:58:02,900
♪ I'm going
1164
00:58:03,067 --> 00:58:07,325
♪ Home. ♪
1165
00:58:08,536 --> 00:58:10,832
[Music concludes;
Applause, cheering]
1166
00:58:12,961 --> 00:58:14,715
[Quinn] On the last day of the shoot...
1167
00:58:14,882 --> 00:58:18,431
[Music -
"Science Fiction/Double Feature"]
1168
00:58:18,598 --> 00:58:20,560
[Quinn]"Finish! It's a wrap!"
1169
00:58:20,727 --> 00:58:23,231
- [Music continues]
- "It's over."
1170
00:58:23,399 --> 00:58:26,195
And I'm leaving, and Jim Sharman said,
1171
00:58:26,363 --> 00:58:28,074
"Pat, just a moment.
Can I talk to you for a minute?"
1172
00:58:28,241 --> 00:58:31,372
I said, "Mm, yeah."
You know, I want to go home.
1173
00:58:31,540 --> 00:58:34,503
And he said, "So, I have this idea."
1174
00:58:35,673 --> 00:58:39,932
[Sharman]In a dream,
I imagined Pat Quinn's lips
1175
00:58:40,098 --> 00:58:43,688
singing it
to Richard's very androgynous voice
1176
00:58:43,856 --> 00:58:47,112
to create that strange world.
1177
00:58:47,279 --> 00:58:49,825
- [Music continues]
- ♪ Michael Rennie was ill
1178
00:58:49,993 --> 00:58:53,166
♪ The day the earth stood still
1179
00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:58,259
♪ But he told us where we stand
1180
00:58:58,426 --> 00:59:00,096
[Quinn]So, they said,
"What we're going to do is,
1181
00:59:00,263 --> 00:59:03,060
"we're going to black out
your face completely."
1182
00:59:03,227 --> 00:59:05,983
And they put a cloth over the camera
1183
00:59:09,657 --> 00:59:11,201
♪ Then something went wrong... ♪
1184
00:59:11,368 --> 00:59:14,834
[Quinn]But when you sing,
even though you're told to be still,
1185
00:59:15,001 --> 00:59:16,629
your head moves a bit.
1186
00:59:16,796 --> 00:59:19,551
So, the mouth kept going out of focus.
1187
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:23,183
So, they put my head in the clamp
1188
00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:26,314
and screwed it with flaps on the side.
1189
00:59:26,481 --> 00:59:28,610
Couldn't move.
1190
00:59:28,777 --> 00:59:30,281
So, I'm doing that,
1191
00:59:30,448 --> 00:59:34,247
and at the time, my husband
kept ringing and asking for a divorce.
1192
00:59:34,414 --> 00:59:37,211
And I said, "I'm sorry.
Tell him I can't do a divorce today.
1193
00:59:37,378 --> 00:59:39,674
- "I'm clamped."
- [She chuckles]
1194
00:59:39,841 --> 00:59:43,097
- [Music continues]
- ♪ Double feature
1195
00:59:43,264 --> 00:59:46,312
- ♪ Doctor X... ♪
- [O'Brien] We'd done the movie,
1196
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,486
and then,
in the beginning of the next year, '75,
1197
00:59:49,652 --> 00:59:51,865
we went to the Belasco,
opened and closed.
1198
00:59:52,032 --> 00:59:53,952
There was a...
1199
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:57,794
a snobbery that went on
between New York and Los Angeles.
1200
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,467
[Adler] The fact that
we were coming from LA,
1201
01:00:01,634 --> 01:00:03,679
that was held against us.
1202
01:00:03,847 --> 01:00:08,356
Anything that came out of LA
shouldn't be on Broadway.
1203
01:00:08,523 --> 01:00:12,405
[O'Brien] Los Angeles was seen as bling-y
1204
01:00:12,572 --> 01:00:15,578
and ephemeral and cheap
and tacky and tawdry.
1205
01:00:15,745 --> 01:00:20,713
[Adler]And I had taken
a full-page ad in Billboard that said,
1206
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,386
"Give our regards to Broadway
1207
01:00:23,553 --> 01:00:27,309
"and tell them that
Rocky is on its way."
1208
01:00:27,477 --> 01:00:29,565
- [Music continues]
- They hated it.
1209
01:00:29,731 --> 01:00:32,278
They hated that, they hated me.
1210
01:00:32,444 --> 01:00:35,534
[O'Brien]He said, "Look out, New York.
Tell 'em Rocky is coming."
1211
01:00:35,702 --> 01:00:39,918
You know, blah, blah, blah.
"Here's the hit from London and LA."
1212
01:00:40,085 --> 01:00:42,924
And I think they said, "Well, we're here
to tell you that it isn't, you see?
1213
01:00:43,091 --> 01:00:46,389
"How dare you? How dare you have
the temerity to tell us it's a hit.
1214
01:00:46,556 --> 01:00:49,478
"Because that's what we...
that's what we decide.
1215
01:00:49,645 --> 01:00:51,024
"And we're here to tell you it isn't."
1216
01:00:51,191 --> 01:00:53,069
Which was a great shame.
It was a good show.
1217
01:00:53,236 --> 01:00:56,951
[Adler]We didn't have
a really good chance going in.
1218
01:00:57,118 --> 01:01:00,959
I think we ran 40 days.
We could have closed the first night.
1219
01:01:01,126 --> 01:01:03,172
The first time the reviews came out,
1220
01:01:03,340 --> 01:01:06,053
there was no chance
of overriding the reviews.
1221
01:01:06,220 --> 01:01:07,640
It was over.
1222
01:01:07,806 --> 01:01:09,142
[Music continues]
1223
01:01:09,309 --> 01:01:13,484
[Curry]When the play
closed in Manhattan...
1224
01:01:13,652 --> 01:01:16,783
it was like somebody had
let all the air out of a balloon.
1225
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:20,122
It sucked all the energy out of me.
I know that.
1226
01:01:20,289 --> 01:01:21,793
[Music continues]
1227
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,172
[O'Brien]I remember
we were standing on 44th Street.
1228
01:01:24,339 --> 01:01:26,385
I was outside my hotel
1229
01:01:26,551 --> 01:01:29,766
and opposite the hotel
where Tim was staying.
1230
01:01:29,933 --> 01:01:31,812
And I said,
"Well, I guess that's it, really."
1231
01:01:31,979 --> 01:01:34,567
I said, "But it's been a great ride
for three years, hasn't it?"
1232
01:01:34,734 --> 01:01:36,655
He went, "Yep, absolutely.
It's been a great ride for three years."
1233
01:01:36,822 --> 01:01:39,202
And that was kind of it.
1234
01:01:39,369 --> 01:01:41,540
[Moody music]
1235
01:01:42,750 --> 01:01:44,671
[Adler] We completed the film,
1236
01:01:44,838 --> 01:01:50,223
and I presented it
to the marketing and sales department
1237
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:52,436
of 20th Century Fox.
1238
01:01:52,603 --> 01:01:54,440
Maybe 100 people.
1239
01:01:54,607 --> 01:01:56,820
The film ended.
1240
01:01:56,987 --> 01:01:59,074
Silence.
1241
01:01:59,241 --> 01:02:02,205
A deafening silence.
1242
01:02:02,372 --> 01:02:05,795
And then, slowly...
each person would get up.
1243
01:02:05,963 --> 01:02:07,674
Nobody said anything to me.
1244
01:02:07,841 --> 01:02:10,388
When this film was first released,
it was a flop.
1245
01:02:10,555 --> 01:02:11,807
[Music continues]
1246
01:02:11,974 --> 01:02:15,690
[Weinstock]The film was released
in the United States
1247
01:02:15,857 --> 01:02:18,529
in September of 1975
1248
01:02:18,696 --> 01:02:21,744
and was quickly withdrawn
before the end of October.
1249
01:02:21,911 --> 01:02:24,833
[Sharman] It opened and shut like a door.
1250
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,962
[Campbell]
It was enormously disappointing.
1251
01:02:27,129 --> 01:02:30,553
The show was a gigantic hit,
and then the movie comes out
1252
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,348
and it flopped.
It just didn't make any sense.
1253
01:02:32,515 --> 01:02:35,605
[Goldstone]You know,
you put so much into something.
1254
01:02:35,772 --> 01:02:37,984
You think that an audience
is going to get it immediately
1255
01:02:38,151 --> 01:02:40,949
and embrace it
and the film will make zillions.
1256
01:02:42,118 --> 01:02:44,831
[Curry]I was miserable
that the film was a flop.
1257
01:02:44,998 --> 01:02:47,128
I took it quite personally.
1258
01:02:47,294 --> 01:02:48,630
[He chuckles]
1259
01:02:48,797 --> 01:02:51,428
- [Music fades]
- Which is arrogant of me, but...
1260
01:02:52,638 --> 01:02:53,765
...I did.
1261
01:02:53,932 --> 01:02:56,061
[Moody music]
1262
01:02:56,229 --> 01:02:58,692
[Adler]Films at
that time at the studios,
1263
01:02:58,859 --> 01:03:01,029
they would preview it,
1264
01:03:01,196 --> 01:03:05,204
and they even went as far as
having the audience fill out cards.
1265
01:03:05,372 --> 01:03:08,837
And we previewed in Santa Barbara.
1266
01:03:09,004 --> 01:03:12,636
Santa Barbara is an interesting place
1267
01:03:12,803 --> 01:03:16,560
in that it's a heavy college town
1268
01:03:16,728 --> 01:03:21,863
and a heavy sort of wealthy,
retired, older crowd.
1269
01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:25,369
That combination
came to see Rocky Horror.
1270
01:03:25,536 --> 01:03:27,874
Halfway through the film,
1271
01:03:28,042 --> 01:03:30,630
we had lost half the audience.
1272
01:03:30,796 --> 01:03:32,509
[Music continues]
1273
01:03:32,675 --> 01:03:35,223
[Adler] The only executive at that time
1274
01:03:35,389 --> 01:03:38,812
that came to see the preview
was Tim Deegan,
1275
01:03:38,979 --> 01:03:42,987
who was a young executive
at 20th Century Fox.
1276
01:03:44,114 --> 01:03:46,620
By the end of the film, Tim and I,
1277
01:03:46,787 --> 01:03:50,126
despondent, obviously, really down,
1278
01:03:50,293 --> 01:03:54,385
went and sat on a curb
outside of the theatre,
1279
01:03:54,552 --> 01:03:56,932
trying to figure out what to do next.
1280
01:03:57,099 --> 01:03:59,603
And people started coming up with us.
1281
01:03:59,771 --> 01:04:03,278
The college-aged kids came up to us
1282
01:04:03,444 --> 01:04:07,077
and said really encouraging,
positive things,
1283
01:04:07,244 --> 01:04:09,582
which let us know...
1284
01:04:09,748 --> 01:04:13,131
- we had a film... for an audience.
- [Music fades]
1285
01:04:13,298 --> 01:04:15,468
We had to find that audience.
1286
01:04:15,635 --> 01:04:17,514
[Lively music]
1287
01:04:17,681 --> 01:04:20,478
[Adler]Tim Deegan
had a friend in New York
1288
01:04:20,645 --> 01:04:23,275
who was an exhibitor,
1289
01:04:23,443 --> 01:04:26,281
and between the two of them,
they suggested,
1290
01:04:26,449 --> 01:04:29,078
why don't we run the film at midnight?
1291
01:04:29,245 --> 01:04:31,291
[Music continues]
1292
01:04:32,376 --> 01:04:35,174
[Adler]It can't hurt anybody
at that point.
1293
01:04:35,341 --> 01:04:37,721
Fox will go along with it.
1294
01:04:38,848 --> 01:04:42,939
"That might be the audience
that'll come to see it.
1295
01:04:43,106 --> 01:04:44,484
"Let's try it."
1296
01:04:45,945 --> 01:04:48,950
The midnight screening
at the Waverly took place
1297
01:04:49,118 --> 01:04:53,794
on April Fool's Day - April 1st, 1976.
1298
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,758
[Music continues]
1299
01:04:56,925 --> 01:05:01,393
[Adler]I remember
it also opened in Austin,
1300
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:05,567
so Tim and I split the two areas.
1301
01:05:05,734 --> 01:05:08,406
He would call New York
to see how it was doing,
1302
01:05:08,573 --> 01:05:11,412
and I would call Austin, Texas.
1303
01:05:11,579 --> 01:05:13,917
And I'd get a hold of the manager.
1304
01:05:14,084 --> 01:05:17,215
And I said,
"I'm gonna call you every Monday."
1305
01:05:18,592 --> 01:05:21,014
About the third call,
I said, "How's it doing?"
1306
01:05:21,181 --> 01:05:23,394
He said, "About 50 people."
1307
01:05:23,561 --> 01:05:25,314
I said, "50 people?"
1308
01:05:25,481 --> 01:05:28,404
He said, "Yeah, but what's interesting,
1309
01:05:28,571 --> 01:05:32,203
"it's the same 50 people every week."
1310
01:05:32,370 --> 01:05:33,998
- [Music stops, resonates]
- Bam.
1311
01:05:34,166 --> 01:05:37,589
[All] We want Rocky!
We want Rocky!
1312
01:05:37,756 --> 01:05:39,426
[Mellow music]
1313
01:05:39,593 --> 01:05:42,264
[Sharman]There was an audience
that was interested in it
1314
01:05:42,432 --> 01:05:44,310
and wanted to see it.
1315
01:05:44,478 --> 01:05:47,316
[Adler]We just had to
take our time to get to it.
1316
01:05:47,484 --> 01:05:49,278
Not by advertising it.
1317
01:05:49,445 --> 01:05:51,992
Word of mouth. Show it.
1318
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:56,292
If that audience is out there,
if we could keep the film going
1319
01:05:56,459 --> 01:05:59,298
at whatever locations we could get,
1320
01:06:01,260 --> 01:06:03,431
[Music continues]
1321
01:06:03,598 --> 01:06:06,229
[Goldstone]It worked the other way,
that the audience found it
1322
01:06:06,395 --> 01:06:08,191
and embraced it
1323
01:06:08,358 --> 01:06:11,322
and made it into
something completely different.
1324
01:06:11,489 --> 01:06:14,787
- It's great! It's just different!
- It's great!
1325
01:06:14,954 --> 01:06:16,249
It's excellent!
1326
01:06:16,415 --> 01:06:18,962
It's different than
any other movie I've ever seen.
1327
01:06:19,128 --> 01:06:21,049
[Lillias Piro]
There was a great excitement.
1328
01:06:21,216 --> 01:06:23,513
There was energy
in the air of the theatre,
1329
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,727
outside the theatre,
surrounding the theatre.
1330
01:06:26,894 --> 01:06:32,530
Everything to do with Rocky Horror
was fresh, new, innovative.
1331
01:06:32,698 --> 01:06:37,248
[Adler]It was a different crowd,
very special.
1332
01:06:37,415 --> 01:06:40,713
Not only enjoying the film,
1333
01:06:40,881 --> 01:06:45,306
but enjoying the other people
that were coming to the film.
1334
01:06:45,472 --> 01:06:46,892
That was growing.
1335
01:06:47,059 --> 01:06:49,147
That was a place for them to go
1336
01:06:49,314 --> 01:06:53,196
to find people like they were
1337
01:06:53,363 --> 01:06:56,494
and enjoying the things that they liked.
1338
01:06:56,661 --> 01:06:58,832
This is an excellent movie.
It really is.
1339
01:06:58,999 --> 01:07:01,421
- It's a cult film.
- And we're all quite normal, really.
1340
01:07:01,588 --> 01:07:05,094
[Adler]I mean,
to imagine that these people
1341
01:07:05,261 --> 01:07:08,100
were having that kind of experience
1342
01:07:08,267 --> 01:07:12,108
and that kind of fun watching a film
1343
01:07:12,275 --> 01:07:13,820
is unbelievable,
1344
01:07:13,987 --> 01:07:16,116
because there's nothing else like it.
1345
01:07:16,283 --> 01:07:19,122
I think the movie
is a total sexual experience
1346
01:07:19,289 --> 01:07:21,878
that I'd like to
relive and relive and relive.
1347
01:07:22,045 --> 01:07:25,093
[Weinstock] By the end of 1978,
1348
01:07:25,259 --> 01:07:27,597
there were 50 prints in circulation,
1349
01:07:27,764 --> 01:07:29,935
and then it escalated from there.
1350
01:07:30,103 --> 01:07:32,941
And after the first year,
I was talking to one of the owners,
1351
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:35,321
and I thought, "Well, gee,
this picture just can't go on this long.
1352
01:07:35,488 --> 01:07:38,034
"We've got to be looking for something
else to come in and take its place."
1353
01:07:38,202 --> 01:07:42,335
And, boy, I'll admit,
I was absolutely wrong. It kept on going.
1354
01:07:42,502 --> 01:07:44,046
It built,
and it's bigger than it ever was,
1355
01:07:44,213 --> 01:07:47,679
to the point where we're turning away
between 150 to 200 people
1356
01:07:47,846 --> 01:07:49,056
on every performance.
1357
01:07:49,223 --> 01:07:52,479
[Adler] At one point, in Los Angeles,
1358
01:07:52,647 --> 01:07:55,820
the Tiffany Theatre
was running Rocky Horror.
1359
01:07:55,987 --> 01:07:59,368
They were running it at midnight,
2:00 in the morning
1360
01:07:59,535 --> 01:08:02,583
and 4:00 in the morning, sometimes.
1361
01:08:02,750 --> 01:08:06,049
So, even though
we were at these odd times,
1362
01:08:06,215 --> 01:08:10,098
they were still getting
their three showings out of it.
1363
01:08:10,265 --> 01:08:13,980
Everybody was amazed
at that kind of success.
1364
01:08:14,148 --> 01:08:18,782
We could not have sustained an audience
1365
01:08:18,948 --> 01:08:21,244
and given them what they wanted -
1366
01:08:21,412 --> 01:08:24,960
the experience - running during the day.
1367
01:08:25,127 --> 01:08:28,468
We couldn't have done it with normal...
normal showings.
1368
01:08:28,635 --> 01:08:31,682
It's the only movie I've ever heard of,
too, with a fan club.
1369
01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:34,104
How did it come to be a cult classic,
do you think?
1370
01:08:34,270 --> 01:08:36,399
I have no idea.
I wish I did know. I wish...
1371
01:08:36,566 --> 01:08:38,529
I'm sure a lot of people
wish they did know.
1372
01:08:38,695 --> 01:08:41,201
[Gentle music]
1373
01:08:41,368 --> 01:08:44,499
[Weinstock]The development of the cult
and the rituals around the film
1374
01:08:44,666 --> 01:08:48,590
were a kind of snowball effect
that picked up velocity.
1375
01:08:48,757 --> 01:08:50,845
The way that the story goes is that
1376
01:08:51,011 --> 01:08:54,144
it was somewhere around
Labour Day of 1976
1377
01:08:54,310 --> 01:08:58,025
that the shout-outs began.
1378
01:08:58,192 --> 01:09:01,867
One of the legends is, a guy named
Lou Farese Jr shouted at the screen
1379
01:09:02,033 --> 01:09:05,749
when Janet was getting out of the car
and shielding her head with a newspaper.
1380
01:09:05,916 --> 01:09:08,337
"Buy an umbrella, you cheap bitch!"
1381
01:09:08,505 --> 01:09:09,674
[She stifles laughter]
1382
01:09:09,841 --> 01:09:13,431
[Weinstock]And then, other people
began to contribute their shout-outs,
1383
01:09:13,599 --> 01:09:15,560
and if it was funny, it stuck.
1384
01:09:15,728 --> 01:09:17,982
Knew I should have
gotten that spare tire fixed.
1385
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:19,651
[All] Asshole!
1386
01:09:19,819 --> 01:09:23,451
[Weinstock]So, a second script
began to be written
1387
01:09:23,618 --> 01:09:26,373
and superimposed over the original script.
1388
01:09:26,540 --> 01:09:29,171
What followed from that, then,
were costumes.
1389
01:09:29,338 --> 01:09:32,302
I'm Dori Hartley,
and I'm dressed as Frank.
1390
01:09:32,469 --> 01:09:34,264
Occasionally, I am Frank.
1391
01:09:34,431 --> 01:09:37,395
[Weinstock]Notably for Halloween
performances of Rocky at first,
1392
01:09:37,562 --> 01:09:40,944
and then just
every time it was being shown.
1393
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:42,447
Then you had the introduction of props.
1394
01:09:42,614 --> 01:09:45,202
We have the toilet paper.
Newspaper here.
1395
01:09:45,369 --> 01:09:47,791
A flash-light. Rice.
1396
01:09:47,958 --> 01:09:50,546
A squirt-gun. Toast.
1397
01:09:50,713 --> 01:09:53,051
[Weinstock]So, people would come up with
rice for the wedding scene,
1398
01:09:53,218 --> 01:09:55,180
and squirt-guns for when it was raining,
1399
01:09:55,347 --> 01:09:58,103
and lighters where there's a light
over at the Frankenstein place,
1400
01:09:58,270 --> 01:10:00,565
which were quickly barred
from many locations.
1401
01:10:00,732 --> 01:10:03,238
[Host] Now, we have a special warning
from the management tonight.
1402
01:10:03,405 --> 01:10:06,786
No lit candles, and no throwing of food
at the screen, understand?
1403
01:10:06,954 --> 01:10:08,373
Get on with the show!
1404
01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:10,502
Hey, this is the fucking show, buddy!
1405
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:13,133
And if you don't like it,
go see the movie at Staten Island!
1406
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:14,218
[Cheering]
1407
01:10:14,385 --> 01:10:15,887
[Weinstock]From there,
then we get the introduction
1408
01:10:16,054 --> 01:10:19,353
of the shadow cast in 1977,
1409
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,486
which began in New York
at the 8th Street Playhouse,
1410
01:10:23,653 --> 01:10:26,283
which is also the birth
of the Rocky Horror Fan Club
1411
01:10:26,451 --> 01:10:28,913
but then began to spread out.
1412
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,709
So, it's this snowball effect,
1413
01:10:30,876 --> 01:10:34,174
which goes from shout-outs to costumes
1414
01:10:34,341 --> 01:10:36,971
to props to the shadow cast.
1415
01:10:37,138 --> 01:10:39,184
[Mellow music]
1416
01:10:40,478 --> 01:10:43,859
[Sharman]Having turned theatres
into haunted cinemas,
1417
01:10:44,027 --> 01:10:47,742
the notion of
turning cinemas into theatres
1418
01:10:47,909 --> 01:10:50,873
with people throwing things
and talking back
1419
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,086
struck me as a pretty good idea.
1420
01:10:53,253 --> 01:10:54,255
[Music continues]
1421
01:10:54,422 --> 01:10:57,177
[Campbell]It's interesting
that the Rocky Horror Show,
1422
01:10:57,345 --> 01:10:59,098
from the absolute first performance,
1423
01:10:59,265 --> 01:11:02,438
was performed in front of a screen.
1424
01:11:02,605 --> 01:11:06,738
And so, we now had
the audience perform Rocky Horror
1425
01:11:06,905 --> 01:11:10,036
in front of a screen
which is showing Rocky Horror.
1426
01:11:10,203 --> 01:11:11,539
[Music continues]
1427
01:11:11,706 --> 01:11:14,461
[Adler] Once the participation started,
1428
01:11:14,628 --> 01:11:17,509
without us doing anything about it,
1429
01:11:17,676 --> 01:11:21,642
it was spreading
to the other theatres in other cities.
1430
01:11:21,809 --> 01:11:24,857
Out of Austin, out of New York, Chicago.
1431
01:11:25,024 --> 01:11:27,821
Once it started to happen,
it steam-rolled.
1432
01:11:27,989 --> 01:11:31,035
[Host] Was there a script originally
written to tell the audience what to do?
1433
01:11:31,203 --> 01:11:32,706
- Oh, no, no. That all...
- [Host] That all evolved.
1434
01:11:32,873 --> 01:11:34,209
Yeah, that just all evolved.
1435
01:11:34,376 --> 01:11:35,503
[Music continues]
1436
01:11:35,670 --> 01:11:37,507
[Weinstock]When you're thinking
about the 1970s,
1437
01:11:37,674 --> 01:11:41,348
we're pre-social media.
There's no internet. There's no TikTok.
1438
01:11:41,515 --> 01:11:43,978
So, how did these things
go from place to place?
1439
01:11:44,145 --> 01:11:47,944
What happened is that somebody would visit
New York City and see a midnight showing
1440
01:11:48,111 --> 01:11:51,075
and then take it back with them
to someplace else.
1441
01:11:52,536 --> 01:11:56,002
Also in 1977,
you have the beginning of the fan club,
1442
01:11:56,169 --> 01:11:58,507
which had a newsletter
that was associated with it,
1443
01:11:58,673 --> 01:12:02,056
which became a way to communicate
with lots of different Rocky fans.
1444
01:12:03,475 --> 01:12:06,022
So it's this organic process,
almost rhizomatic,
1445
01:12:06,189 --> 01:12:09,529
of spreading out from place to place,
with New York as the epicentre
1446
01:12:09,695 --> 01:12:11,407
and then spreading across the country,
1447
01:12:11,574 --> 01:12:13,453
and then from there to other countries.
1448
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,916
[Music concludes]
1449
01:12:16,083 --> 01:12:18,797
The reason that I like Rocky Horror
is my brother Sal,
1450
01:12:18,964 --> 01:12:20,592
who's president of the fan club,
1451
01:12:20,759 --> 01:12:23,640
brought me to it two years ago,
to the Waverly.
1452
01:12:23,807 --> 01:12:26,938
So, I just enjoyed it, and I decided
that I had to be a part of this
1453
01:12:27,105 --> 01:12:28,984
and that I wanted to dress up as Magenta.
1454
01:12:29,150 --> 01:12:31,739
[Contemplative music]
1455
01:12:31,906 --> 01:12:34,954
[Piro]My brother, Sal,
came home to our mother's home
1456
01:12:35,121 --> 01:12:39,004
and he said, "I saw this amazing movie."
1457
01:12:39,170 --> 01:12:43,512
He was so animated
and so passionate about this film,
1458
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:46,935
and he said to me,
"Don't worry, I'll take you.
1459
01:12:47,103 --> 01:12:49,566
"I will get you in the city.
We'll get you there."
1460
01:12:49,733 --> 01:12:51,486
Because now I wanted to see it.
1461
01:12:51,653 --> 01:12:53,657
[Music continues]
1462
01:12:53,824 --> 01:12:56,371
[Piros]When I first
walked into the Village,
1463
01:12:56,538 --> 01:12:58,334
there was a lot of excitement in the air,
1464
01:12:58,500 --> 01:13:01,840
and I really didn't know
what I was gonna see.
1465
01:13:03,217 --> 01:13:06,975
Tim Curry turning
around in that elevator,
1466
01:13:07,142 --> 01:13:10,650
that image, that make-up,
the lips was like...
1467
01:13:10,816 --> 01:13:11,985
I became alive.
1468
01:13:12,152 --> 01:13:13,656
It just preaches a lot to me.
1469
01:13:13,822 --> 01:13:17,204
It preaches a lot
of liberation and freedom
1470
01:13:17,371 --> 01:13:19,667
and happiness and joy and love.
1471
01:13:19,834 --> 01:13:22,464
And the whole cult has become a phenomenon
1472
01:13:22,631 --> 01:13:25,095
of love amongst ourselves, you know?
1473
01:13:26,138 --> 01:13:30,355
[Piro] Rocky allowed you that freedom
to live out your dreams.
1474
01:13:30,522 --> 01:13:35,657
It allowed you
to he crazy and wild and sexy.
1475
01:13:35,824 --> 01:13:38,287
I feel very uncomfortable in this outfit.
1476
01:13:38,454 --> 01:13:39,540
[Reporter stammers]
1477
01:13:39,707 --> 01:13:41,794
Would you mind
taking this microphone here?
1478
01:13:41,961 --> 01:13:44,633
- I think Sal is getting...
- [Cheering, shrieking]
1479
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:52,314
[Piro]Sal ate,
drank and slept Rocky Horror.
1480
01:13:52,481 --> 01:13:57,074
And in an era
where it was dangerous to be gay,
1481
01:13:57,241 --> 01:14:00,330
he was openly and proudly gay.
1482
01:14:00,497 --> 01:14:04,797
He made no excuses
for who he was or what he was doing.
1483
01:14:04,965 --> 01:14:07,636
So, it was never an accident
1484
01:14:07,803 --> 01:14:09,682
that he was going to start
1485
01:14:09,849 --> 01:14:12,730
the audience participation to this film
and keep it going.
1486
01:14:12,897 --> 01:14:15,360
[Reporter] This looks like a kind of
special crowd of people, though.
1487
01:14:15,527 --> 01:14:17,448
- Who are they?
- It's a community, you know?
1488
01:14:17,615 --> 01:14:20,370
It's a community
of people who all come together.
1489
01:14:20,537 --> 01:14:22,541
They don't dream it any more, they be it,
1490
01:14:22,708 --> 01:14:25,672
- which is what the movie says.
- [Crowd] Yeah!
1491
01:14:25,839 --> 01:14:27,802
[Ruminative music]
1492
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,350
[Sean Waters]
It was organic how it happened,
1493
01:14:31,517 --> 01:14:33,939
and Sal was sort of like the big papa.
1494
01:14:34,105 --> 01:14:38,364
I mean, he really was very parental,
and it was like I found my tribe
1495
01:14:38,531 --> 01:14:40,159
and I belonged to some place.
1496
01:14:40,326 --> 01:14:43,249
And I was a runaway,
so I needed to belong.
1497
01:14:43,415 --> 01:14:46,547
I had survived a lot of
sexual abuse when I was a kid,
1498
01:14:46,713 --> 01:14:49,219
so I ran away from home and...
1499
01:14:49,386 --> 01:14:52,684
and I was on the streets,
pulling tricks on the street.
1500
01:14:52,851 --> 01:14:55,982
I was making my way no matter how I had...
1501
01:14:56,148 --> 01:14:59,071
I just didn't want to go home,
'cause home was not good.
1502
01:14:59,238 --> 01:15:02,453
It was the '80s, it was AIDS,
and it was rampant.
1503
01:15:02,620 --> 01:15:05,585
And I'm, today, healthy.
I'm HIV-negative.
1504
01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:10,260
And I credit a lot of that to Rocky,
because, you know, I was safe.
1505
01:15:10,427 --> 01:15:13,767
I was locked in a theatre
from 10:00 till 4:00 in the morning
1506
01:15:13,934 --> 01:15:15,478
every Friday and Saturday night,
1507
01:15:15,645 --> 01:15:17,942
whereas I could have been doing
all sorts of shit.
1508
01:15:18,109 --> 01:15:19,905
[Music continues]
1509
01:15:20,071 --> 01:15:21,824
[Waters]And then we would all leave there
at 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning
1510
01:15:21,992 --> 01:15:24,580
and go to a diner,
and we would fill up a diner.
1511
01:15:24,747 --> 01:15:26,834
And then, we'd always end on the sunrise.
1512
01:15:27,002 --> 01:15:28,880
Like, we would go home
at 6:00 in the morning.
1513
01:15:29,048 --> 01:15:31,260
Five days a week, I'm a nurse,
1514
01:15:31,427 --> 01:15:34,642
and two nights a week, I'm a star,
and it levels out my life.
1515
01:15:34,808 --> 01:15:36,354
[Music continues]
1516
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,316
[Waters] I'm so thankful that we...
1517
01:15:38,483 --> 01:15:41,614
Like, what a wonderful way to...
1518
01:15:41,781 --> 01:15:43,325
to grow up, you know?
1519
01:15:43,493 --> 01:15:46,499
And I grew up in there.
It was so beautiful.
1520
01:15:46,666 --> 01:15:48,962
It's good for people
to come and be able to do this
1521
01:15:49,128 --> 01:15:51,676
- instead of anything else.
- [Fan] Yeah!
1522
01:15:51,842 --> 01:15:54,807
It's very good. It's good, right?!
1523
01:15:54,974 --> 01:15:56,978
- It's good!
- [Cheering]
1524
01:15:59,399 --> 01:16:03,156
[Tongson]Many young queer folks
used Rocky Horror
1525
01:16:03,323 --> 01:16:07,039
as a place of belonging
in a suburban space
1526
01:16:07,206 --> 01:16:11,464
that demanded
they perform a more normal front.
1527
01:16:11,631 --> 01:16:14,220
And Rocky Horror was the gateway
1528
01:16:14,387 --> 01:16:16,266
for many of them, for many of us,
1529
01:16:16,433 --> 01:16:20,816
to find people with whom we could grow,
1530
01:16:20,983 --> 01:16:22,778
to find people we could trust,
1531
01:16:22,945 --> 01:16:26,494
in and amidst our most abject fears.
1532
01:16:26,661 --> 01:16:31,086
You know, people talk about
dancing like nobody's watching
1533
01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:33,382
and I think that that's really the vibe
1534
01:16:33,549 --> 01:16:35,763
that you get at a Rocky Horror screening.
1535
01:16:35,929 --> 01:16:38,142
And not just that nobody's watching,
1536
01:16:38,309 --> 01:16:41,774
but that everybody else is dancing along
with you, and you all don't really care.
1537
01:16:41,941 --> 01:16:46,617
I'd just like to say thank you
very much for coming tonight,
1538
01:16:46,784 --> 01:16:49,289
- and, uh...
- [Cheering]
1539
01:16:49,456 --> 01:16:52,170
...thank you for all being
completely insane.
1540
01:16:52,337 --> 01:16:53,923
[He laughs]
1541
01:16:54,090 --> 01:16:58,808
[Film-maker]When was your
first experience seeing it with a crowd?
1542
01:16:58,974 --> 01:17:02,816
[O'Brien]I think... I suppose the
first time was seeing it at Long Island.
1543
01:17:02,982 --> 01:17:05,696
There was a convention in a big hall,
and there were,
1544
01:17:05,863 --> 01:17:09,370
I would think, about at least
a thousand people there.
1545
01:17:09,537 --> 01:17:14,338
And we all went out on stage
and did a Q&A with the audience.
1546
01:17:14,505 --> 01:17:17,887
And then,
they showed the movie on a big stage,
1547
01:17:18,054 --> 01:17:20,684
and there was
a lot of space in front of it.
1548
01:17:20,852 --> 01:17:23,773
And a girl called Dori Hartley,
1549
01:17:23,941 --> 01:17:26,112
who was a Frank-N-Furter impersonator,
1550
01:17:26,279 --> 01:17:29,243
and when it got to that
"I'm Going Home" moment...
1551
01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:31,372
[Stirring music]
1552
01:17:34,712 --> 01:17:38,344
[O'Brien]..she looked exactly like him.
The make-up, perfect.
1553
01:17:38,511 --> 01:17:42,936
And she sat on the front of the stage,
and someone had put a spotlight on her.
1554
01:17:43,103 --> 01:17:46,736
And it was astonishing,
because there was the movie up there
1555
01:17:46,903 --> 01:17:48,948
with Tim singing "I'm Going Home"
1556
01:17:49,115 --> 01:17:50,911
and doing this with the eye make-up.
1557
01:17:51,077 --> 01:17:56,171
And there's a real live person
in a bright spotlight
1558
01:17:56,338 --> 01:17:58,133
doing the same movements.
1559
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:00,387
And her silhouette
1560
01:18:00,554 --> 01:18:03,560
was exactly the same size
as Frank-N-Furter.
1561
01:18:04,646 --> 01:18:07,360
And the audience was singing the refrains.
1562
01:18:07,526 --> 01:18:10,866
And you're going,
"This is theatre at its very best."
1563
01:18:11,033 --> 01:18:14,081
You couldn't... We couldn't have...
1564
01:18:14,249 --> 01:18:15,876
rehearsed and organised this.
1565
01:18:16,043 --> 01:18:17,630
This is a spontaneous moment
1566
01:18:17,797 --> 01:18:20,761
where live theatre and audience -
1567
01:18:20,928 --> 01:18:25,436
live audience and cinema -
have come together like that,
1568
01:18:25,604 --> 01:18:28,401
in a way that I've never seen before.
1569
01:18:28,568 --> 01:18:30,990
It was quite remarkable.
1570
01:18:31,156 --> 01:18:34,162
[Music - "Rose Tint My World"
1571
01:18:36,250 --> 01:18:38,170
[Lively chatter, laughter]
1572
01:18:40,133 --> 01:18:42,012
[Music builds]
1573
01:18:42,178 --> 01:18:45,768
[Tongson]I think for the shadow cast,
it's almost like their own process
1574
01:18:45,935 --> 01:18:49,484
of becoming who they want to be,
or who they desired they could be.
1575
01:18:49,651 --> 01:18:52,741
♪ It was great when it all began... ♪
1576
01:18:52,907 --> 01:18:54,453
It's not to say that
everyone in the shadow cast
1577
01:18:54,619 --> 01:18:56,957
has a hidden or secret identity,
1578
01:18:57,124 --> 01:18:59,003
but I think that what the film opens
1579
01:18:59,170 --> 01:19:03,429
is a way of imagining
our desires as something
1580
01:19:03,596 --> 01:19:06,769
that we should pursue and not repress,
and that message speaks very loudly,
1581
01:19:06,935 --> 01:19:09,691
especially to American audiences
1582
01:19:09,858 --> 01:19:12,739
who've always kind of
struggled with that aspect
1583
01:19:12,906 --> 01:19:14,658
of their own desires,
their own compulsions,
1584
01:19:14,826 --> 01:19:16,872
and stretching beyond what's normal.
1585
01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:20,045
♪ Keeps me safe
from my trouble and pain... ♪
1586
01:19:20,212 --> 01:19:23,218
[Host] New York City,
let me hear you fucking scream!
1587
01:19:23,385 --> 01:19:25,305
[Cheering]
1588
01:19:27,017 --> 01:19:28,770
[Host] Now we have to
talk about a problem.
1589
01:19:28,937 --> 01:19:32,444
It's the fact that there's way too many
fucking virgins in this audience!
1590
01:19:32,611 --> 01:19:33,780
[Cheering]
1591
01:19:33,947 --> 01:19:35,492
What we mean by a virgin here
1592
01:19:35,659 --> 01:19:38,373
is that if you've never seen this movie
on the great white screen,
1593
01:19:38,540 --> 01:19:39,750
now that's a virgin.
1594
01:19:39,917 --> 01:19:42,464
If you’ve seen this movie
on DVD, VHS, Betamax,
1595
01:19:42,631 --> 01:19:44,468
if you had really weird parents,
Netflix, Hulu,
1596
01:19:44,635 --> 01:19:47,181
streamed it online,
it's masturbation, all right?
1597
01:19:47,348 --> 01:19:48,977
- [Fan whoops]
- And it doesn't count for shit.
1598
01:19:49,144 --> 01:19:51,774
You need to see this movie
in a theatre, with a cast,
1599
01:19:51,941 --> 01:19:54,154
and one hell of a motherfucking audience!
1600
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,533
[Cheering]
1601
01:19:56,700 --> 01:19:57,995
[Music continues]
1602
01:19:58,162 --> 01:20:01,042
♪ It's beyond me... ♪
1603
01:20:01,209 --> 01:20:04,257
[Austin Fresh]I think
19-year-old me knew who I was
1604
01:20:04,424 --> 01:20:06,845
but didn't think I could
publicly be all of that.
1605
01:20:07,013 --> 01:20:09,851
And so, to be able to build
a foundation of confidence
1606
01:20:10,018 --> 01:20:14,109
and self-courage
to then go into more public spaces
1607
01:20:14,277 --> 01:20:16,113
and be really firm about like,
"No, this is what I go by,
1608
01:20:16,281 --> 01:20:19,496
"and this is how you will refer to me,"
is so incredibly important.
1609
01:20:19,662 --> 01:20:22,418
♪ I feel sexy... ♪
1610
01:20:22,585 --> 01:20:24,296
[Ratterman]We are going on
seven years now
1611
01:20:24,464 --> 01:20:26,175
since Flustered Mustard started up.
1612
01:20:26,342 --> 01:20:29,849
Being from Missouri, we actually target
a lot of really conservative small towns.
1613
01:20:30,016 --> 01:20:34,358
And in a town that may see
20 people on a Saturday night,
1614
01:20:34,525 --> 01:20:36,821
you've got 500 people
driving in from hours away.
1615
01:20:36,988 --> 01:20:38,658
When we find those small towns,
1616
01:20:38,825 --> 01:20:41,205
it's not like there's just
a huge crop of LGBTQIA people
1617
01:20:41,372 --> 01:20:44,086
that are just waiting at the door,
waiting to bust in.
1618
01:20:44,253 --> 01:20:45,505
You see people coming in in Trump shirts.
1619
01:20:45,672 --> 01:20:48,511
And all of a sudden,
you see the rainbow shirts.
1620
01:20:48,678 --> 01:20:52,561
And then, you'll see them a couple
months later and they'll be in fishnets.
1621
01:20:52,727 --> 01:20:53,896
And then you'll see
the manager of the theatre
1622
01:20:54,063 --> 01:20:55,525
in a maid outfit
behind the concession stand.
1623
01:20:55,692 --> 01:20:58,113
I mean, it's one of those things
where it's infectious.
1624
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,702
It grows on you. It absolutely does.
1625
01:21:00,868 --> 01:21:05,878
♪ His lust is so sincere. ♪
1626
01:21:06,045 --> 01:21:08,884
- [Music concludes]
- [Host] The fact that people dress up,
1627
01:21:09,051 --> 01:21:12,976
is it because that society bothers them
and they want to be something they're not?
1628
01:21:14,938 --> 01:21:16,065
I...
1629
01:21:17,151 --> 01:21:18,946
...don't think they want to be
something they're not.
1630
01:21:19,113 --> 01:21:21,367
I think they want to be something...
1631
01:21:21,534 --> 01:21:23,455
that perhaps they are.
Just the opposite.
1632
01:21:23,622 --> 01:21:25,876
[Stirring music]
1633
01:21:27,379 --> 01:21:31,929
[Richard O'Brien]I have this belief
that sexually, male and female,
1634
01:21:32,096 --> 01:21:33,558
we're all on a continuum.
1635
01:21:33,725 --> 01:21:37,106
And at one end of it is hardwired female.
1636
01:21:37,274 --> 01:21:39,820
At the other end of it, hardwired is male.
1637
01:21:39,987 --> 01:21:44,037
And most of us fall on this continuum.
1638
01:21:44,204 --> 01:21:48,588
And I think many, many people
have that side to their nature
1639
01:21:48,755 --> 01:21:52,178
which they don't reveal to the world.
1640
01:21:52,345 --> 01:21:57,188
And I don't know whether that's healthy,
but Rocky allowed other people to feel,
1641
01:21:57,355 --> 01:22:01,530
"Oh, fuck me. I'm...
I'm a sweet transvestite as well.
1642
01:22:01,697 --> 01:22:03,450
"I... Get out of my way."
1643
01:22:03,617 --> 01:22:04,828
[Music continues]
1644
01:22:04,995 --> 01:22:07,333
[Mattel]I mean, you would hope
at this point in world history
1645
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:10,423
that something like Rocky
would be a relic.
1646
01:22:10,589 --> 01:22:12,385
You have to turn to your child
and explain,
1647
01:22:12,552 --> 01:22:15,766
well, people used to be really afraid
of a woman in a suit,
1648
01:22:15,933 --> 01:22:17,937
or a man in a dress,
1649
01:22:18,104 --> 01:22:21,486
or someone entering a room
1650
01:22:21,653 --> 01:22:24,032
and professing that they are
somewhere between two genders.
1651
01:22:24,199 --> 01:22:26,621
[Music continues]
1652
01:22:26,788 --> 01:22:29,209
[Adler] I don't think any of them knew
1653
01:22:29,376 --> 01:22:32,466
that they were making that kind of film.
1654
01:22:32,632 --> 01:22:35,221
But what they were creating...
1655
01:22:35,388 --> 01:22:37,058
was just right.
1656
01:22:38,186 --> 01:22:40,106
And that's why it's here today.
1657
01:22:40,273 --> 01:22:42,110
That's why we'll run every weekend
1658
01:22:42,277 --> 01:22:44,698
at two-to three-hundred theatres.
1659
01:22:44,865 --> 01:22:47,954
And then, on Halloween,
1660
01:22:48,122 --> 01:22:50,000
or in the month of October,
1661
01:22:50,168 --> 01:22:52,631
we'll be at everything from a cemetery,
1662
01:22:52,798 --> 01:22:55,637
on a wall of a mortuary,
1663
01:22:55,804 --> 01:22:58,016
to drive-in theatres.
1664
01:22:58,183 --> 01:23:00,688
Wherever they can get a play date,
1665
01:23:00,855 --> 01:23:03,151
Rocky Horror will be there.
1666
01:23:03,318 --> 01:23:05,657
Who knows?
It might finish tomorrow.
1667
01:23:05,824 --> 01:23:09,038
But it may go on
for the next 30, 40 years.
1668
01:23:09,205 --> 01:23:13,004
I have great sympathy
with the general public if it does so.
1669
01:23:13,171 --> 01:23:15,509
- [Laughter]
- But quite frankly, it's a...
1670
01:23:15,676 --> 01:23:16,887
[He chuckles]
1671
01:23:17,054 --> 01:23:19,433
-...it's a wonderful pension scheme.
- [Host laughs]
1672
01:23:20,394 --> 01:23:22,481
[Goldstone]
It clearly has to be considered
1673
01:23:22,648 --> 01:23:25,195
the major cult movie of all time.
1674
01:23:25,362 --> 01:23:27,408
But...
1675
01:23:27,575 --> 01:23:30,455
you don't make cults.
Audiences make cults.
1676
01:23:30,622 --> 01:23:32,918
Nowhere else would I go like this.
Are you kidding?
1677
01:23:33,085 --> 01:23:35,424
- Really!
- [She laughs]
1678
01:23:35,591 --> 01:23:38,513
Wouldn't be safe anywhere else, you know?
1679
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,642
[Stirring music]
1680
01:23:44,232 --> 01:23:48,157
[Sarandon]Films either reinforce
the status quo or challenge it.
1681
01:23:48,324 --> 01:23:50,787
The ones that challenge it
are considered political.
1682
01:23:50,954 --> 01:23:54,921
But the Rocky Horror Show is definitely
challenging, so it's a political film.
1683
01:23:56,048 --> 01:24:00,514
I think that Rocky is about
dropping what you're told you have to be,
1684
01:24:00,681 --> 01:24:04,522
who everyone else thinks you are,
your environment, your religion,
1685
01:24:04,689 --> 01:24:08,197
all the brainwashing that goes into
the socialisation process.
1686
01:24:08,364 --> 01:24:09,699
What is a man? What is a boy?
1687
01:24:09,866 --> 01:24:11,662
What do women want?
What's funny? What's not?
1688
01:24:11,828 --> 01:24:15,628
At that point,
when you're trying to figure things out,
1689
01:24:15,795 --> 01:24:18,174
you could go to some place
where there are a lot of people
1690
01:24:18,342 --> 01:24:19,928
that are trying to figure that out.
1691
01:24:20,095 --> 01:24:23,936
You can be there,
and you can be accepted for who you are.
1692
01:24:24,103 --> 01:24:25,313
[Music continues]
1693
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:27,359
[Campbell] It has an innocence to it,
1694
01:24:30,908 --> 01:24:33,413
One doesn't choose one's sexuality.
1695
01:24:33,579 --> 01:24:36,210
One doesn't choose
the colour of their skin.
1696
01:24:36,377 --> 01:24:40,635
All of these things are celebrated in it.
1697
01:24:40,802 --> 01:24:43,182
[Music continues]
1698
01:24:43,349 --> 01:24:46,105
[Curry] Several people have told me
1699
01:24:46,272 --> 01:24:49,068
that it helped them
to understand their sexuality.
1700
01:24:49,236 --> 01:24:51,532
I think that's important.
1701
01:24:51,699 --> 01:24:54,037
Perhaps it is more relevant now.
1702
01:24:54,203 --> 01:24:57,377
Gender has become a political football,
1703
01:24:57,544 --> 01:25:00,633
which is really just a kind of...
1704
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,263
global ignorance.
1705
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:05,017
[Music continues]
1706
01:25:05,184 --> 01:25:07,063
[Sinclair] Rocky took it to the audience.
1707
01:25:07,229 --> 01:25:09,651
Rocky showed it to the audience
and said, "Here it is.
1708
01:25:09,818 --> 01:25:13,158
"This is what it is.
What are you gonna do about it?"
1709
01:25:13,325 --> 01:25:16,039
You can't do anything about it,
because it is what it is.
1710
01:25:17,083 --> 01:25:19,087
And I'm so proud of your dad
for doing that,
1711
01:25:19,253 --> 01:25:22,426
because I think the world would be
a different place without Rocky.
1712
01:25:22,593 --> 01:25:25,432
I mean he was just
being artistic, creative,
1713
01:25:25,599 --> 01:25:28,772
and, you know,
writing those wonderful songs.
1714
01:25:28,939 --> 01:25:31,694
But actually, it's had a real impact
1715
01:25:31,861 --> 01:25:34,242
on the world, on our culture.
1716
01:25:34,408 --> 01:25:37,957
Well, the truth of the matter is,
of course, we all are freaks aren't we?
1717
01:25:38,124 --> 01:25:39,919
There is no norm. There is no standard.
1718
01:25:40,086 --> 01:25:44,052
God made us in different ways...
thankfully.
1719
01:25:44,219 --> 01:25:46,390
[O'Brien]I always felt
that I was living in no man's land.
1720
01:25:46,558 --> 01:25:50,314
I never felt that I belonged anywhere,
and I was in no man's land.
1721
01:25:50,481 --> 01:25:53,195
I was simply there
with loads of other people.
1722
01:25:53,362 --> 01:25:55,826
One of the things about Rocky, I think,
1723
01:25:55,993 --> 01:25:59,624
is that those people who are marginalised,
1724
01:25:59,791 --> 01:26:03,924
those people who are on the fringes
and feel lonely,
1725
01:26:04,092 --> 01:26:05,636
they come together.
1726
01:26:05,803 --> 01:26:07,765
Um, and it, um...
1727
01:26:07,932 --> 01:26:11,356
it gives them a place
where they feel they're...
1728
01:26:11,523 --> 01:26:13,485
they're not alone, basically.
1729
01:26:13,652 --> 01:26:15,238
- This is making me feel very...
- [Film-maker] I mean, that must be...
1730
01:26:15,406 --> 01:26:17,410
I'm getting very emotional about this.
I don't...
1731
01:26:17,577 --> 01:26:19,623
It's not my...
1732
01:26:19,789 --> 01:26:22,545
- There we go. Thank you.
- [He chuckles softly]
1733
01:26:22,712 --> 01:26:24,925
- [Film-maker] It's not your what?
- Well...
1734
01:26:25,091 --> 01:26:26,970
It's not...
I'm not generally like this.
1735
01:26:27,137 --> 01:26:29,475
- Oh, Dad. You are, from time to time.
- [O'Brien] No, no, no.
1736
01:26:31,395 --> 01:26:33,566
It's part of you, right?
1737
01:26:33,734 --> 01:26:36,239
Self-reflection is gonna bring
that kind of emotion out.
1738
01:26:36,405 --> 01:26:38,451
Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it?
1739
01:26:38,618 --> 01:26:40,998
It's fascinating,
and you do the best you can,
1740
01:26:41,165 --> 01:26:42,876
and you muddle through.
1741
01:26:43,044 --> 01:26:45,257
But, you know, if I hadn't been...
1742
01:26:45,423 --> 01:26:48,471
if I hadn't been the way I was, you know,
1743
01:26:48,638 --> 01:26:51,560
Frank-N-Furter would never have...
1744
01:26:51,727 --> 01:26:52,771
- come to life.
- [Film-maker] Right.
1745
01:26:52,938 --> 01:26:54,233
There would never be a Frank-N-Furter.
1746
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,236
There would never be a Rocky Horror Show.
1747
01:26:56,404 --> 01:27:00,662
So, once again, you know,
out of adversity comes something good.
1748
01:27:00,829 --> 01:27:02,958
Turn it to your own advantage.
1749
01:27:03,125 --> 01:27:06,256
[Film-maker] So, what does Rocky
mean to you now?
1750
01:27:06,423 --> 01:27:09,053
I remember what somebody once said to me,
1751
01:27:09,220 --> 01:27:12,518
"It doesn't matter what you think about
Rocky Horror any more, Richard,
1752
01:27:14,272 --> 01:27:17,737
And I thought, "Oh, actually,
in many ways, that's absolutely true.
1753
01:27:17,904 --> 01:27:20,492
He said, "It belongs to us, not to you."
1754
01:27:20,659 --> 01:27:23,040
[Richard plays "Superheroes" on guitar]
1755
01:27:27,798 --> 01:27:30,053
♪ I've done a lot
1756
01:27:30,220 --> 01:27:32,516
♪ God, knows I've tried
1757
01:27:32,683 --> 01:27:33,935
♪ To find the truth
1758
01:27:34,102 --> 01:27:37,568
♪ Well, I've even lied
1759
01:27:37,735 --> 01:27:39,864
♪ But all I know
1760
01:27:40,031 --> 01:27:41,910
♪ Is down inside
1761
01:27:42,077 --> 01:27:45,249
♪ I'm bleeding
1762
01:27:47,295 --> 01:27:49,842
♪ And superheroes
1763
01:27:50,009 --> 01:27:52,305
♪ Come to feast
1764
01:27:52,472 --> 01:27:57,023
♪ To taste the flesh, not yet deceased
1765
01:27:57,190 --> 01:27:59,319
♪ But all I know
1766
01:27:59,486 --> 01:28:01,365
♪ Is still the beast
1767
01:28:01,532 --> 01:28:06,333
♪ Is feeding
1768
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:09,798
♪ Oh, oh-oh-oh
1769
01:28:11,802 --> 01:28:15,268
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1770
01:28:16,937 --> 01:28:21,320
♪ Oh, oh-oh-oh
1771
01:28:21,488 --> 01:28:24,744
♪ Oh, oh-oh-oh
1772
01:28:46,454 --> 01:28:51,214
♪ And crawling on the planet's face
1773
01:28:51,380 --> 01:28:56,181
♪ Some insects called the human race
1774
01:28:56,349 --> 01:29:01,776
♪ Lost in time and lost in space
1775
01:29:01,943 --> 01:29:05,241
♪ And meaning. ♪
1776
01:29:05,407 --> 01:29:07,370
[He scats]
1777
01:29:09,207 --> 01:29:11,002
[Music concludes]
1778
01:29:11,169 --> 01:29:13,090
Get down. I'm a had motherfucker!
1779
01:29:13,257 --> 01:29:14,592
[Sharp chord, low piano note]
1780
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:16,721
[Gentle music]