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[vehicle whirring]
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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- [motor slows]
- [coughs]
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- [man 1] All right, we're doing it now.
- [laughter]
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Ready to go.
There's your submarine right back there.
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[passengers chattering]
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[man 2] Titan, we'll get squared away and
start bringing you guys on board shortly.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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Right. You're going.
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Another day at work.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[woman] All right. There you go.
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- Thank you.
- Yeah.
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- [air hissing]
- [screws squeaking]
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[man] Okay?
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Yeah, you're doing good.
Just keep that pace.
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Uh, there's really nothing that happens
that requires an immediate response.
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Okay? So, if you hear an alarm,
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just don't worry about it.
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Best thing you can do
is don't do anything.
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[tools grinding]
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- [eerie music plays]
- [seam slams]
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[music fades]
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{\an8}[deep rumbling]
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{\an8}[popping]
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{\an8}[rapid cracking]
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{\an8}[man] I heard something.
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[footsteps]
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[pilot] You guys still got bottom contact?
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[men] Yes.
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- [man 1] Some kind of object.
- [cracking]
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[man 2] Yeah, there's something coming up.
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[man 1] Something is coming up
to starboard.
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[rapid popping]
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[crack]
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[eerie music continues]
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[music fades]
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{\an8}[wind chimes dinging]
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{\an8}[Hammermeister] I've reflected a lot
on my time there
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{\an8}and my time there was not normal.
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{\an8}I mean, I think back to the times
where I was a part of dives that happened
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{\an8}and... thinking back how uncomfortable
I felt bolting people into the sub.
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And so when that initial news article
popped up
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and it said
"Tourist sub lost in the Atlantic,"
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I knew right away it was OceanGate.
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{\an8}[anchor 1] The U.S. Coast Guard
says it is bringing all assets to bear
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in the search
for a missing submersible
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{\an8}off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada.
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[anchor 2] Its last location ping was
directly above the wreck of the Titanic.
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A frantic search now underway
for the vessel
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{\an8}with oxygen fast running out.
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[Lochridge] I got a text from one
of my colleagues at submarine rescue.
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{\an8}At that point, I felt sick to the stomach.
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[Lochridge] Everything
that I gave to the authorities,
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everything that had happened to me,
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everything that I'd seen, my concerns,
there was nothing I left out.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Lochridge]
They should have acted on it.
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Good afternoon.
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Nothing was done.
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[engine whirring]
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[coast guard] This is an incredibly
complex search operation.
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The surface search is now approximately
two times the size of Connecticut,
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{\an8}and the subsurface search is
up to two and a half miles deep.
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[horn blares]
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The search and rescue teams are working
in incredibly challenging conditions.
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{\an8}[reporter 1] It was last heard from
an hour and 45 minutes into its dive,
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but OceanGate not sounding the alarm
for another several hours.
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As of yesterday, there were two C-130s
that conducted search and rescue flights.
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By later today, an Air National Guard
C-130 will also join the search.
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[dramatic string music playing]
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{\an8}[Tony Nissen] My phone blew up just
from folks sending me clips, articles.
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I would get a text:
"Have you heard? What do you think?"
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{\an8}But then I knew
we'd be sitting here one day.
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And here we are.
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[music continues]
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[Hammermeister] Almost right away,
there was some back-and-forth texting
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between old co-workers and myself.
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One of them replied and said,
"It's actually really happening."
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{\an8}Our thoughts and prayers are with the crew
of the Titan and their loved ones.
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{\an8}We will continue to work as hard
and as quickly as possible
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{\an8}in an effort to locate them.
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{\an8}- I will take a few questions.
- [audience clamoring]
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{\an8}Go ahead.
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[Hammermeister] It was a worldwide story
all of a sudden.
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{\an8}[man speaking German]
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[speaking Japanese]
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[British woman] I mean, this is truly
the stuff of nightmares.
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{\an8}It's unimaginable what the people
in there are going through.
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{\an8}[Hammermeister] I didn't really
know how to talk about it.
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{\an8}I didn't know everyone on board,
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but I knew Stockton well.
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[anchor 3]
Five people are on board,
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including the OceanGate CEO,
Stockton Rush,
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as well as 58-year-old British
aviation billionaire, Hamish Harding.
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[anchor 4] Pakistani businessman,
Shahzada Dawood,
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and his son, Suleman, are also on board.
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And we understand French explorer,
Paul-Henri Nargeolet,
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oft referred to as Mr. Titanic,
is also on the vessel.
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[interviewer] What did you do first?
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[woman, in French] I cried.
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For the first ten minutes I cried a lot.
I was really scared.
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{\an8}[interviewer] Do you remember
which authorities contacted you?
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{\an8}[in French] The U.S. Coast Guard.
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In the last two hours,
the U.S. Coast Guard confirmed
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that a Canadian aircraft
detected underwater noises.
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Yesterday, a Canadian P-3 detected
underwater noises in the search area.
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As a result, ROV operations
were relocated in an attempt
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to explore the origin of the noises.
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[Sidonie Nargeolet, in French]
It was comforting to see that...
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So, when the search was on,
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all the family members
thought they would find them.
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We all really believed. We had hope.
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Everything had to be done
very quickly, but
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at that point,
no one spoke about finding debris.
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[plaintive violin playing]
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[Hammermeister]
The story had the ingredients.
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It had Titanic.
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It had billionaires.
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It had running out of time.
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[reporter 2] Officials now believe
it's down to less than two days' worth
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of breathable air.
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{\an8}[Hammermeister] The news had an
oxygen countdown in the corner.
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And it was really hard
to go on any sort of media.
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{\an8}The search for the missing submersible,
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{\an8}which was on its way
to the wreck of the Titanic,
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{\an8}has already covered an area
nearly the size of Wales.
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Court documents show a former employee
sued the company in 2018 claiming...
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Time really has become
the most precious commodity.
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{\an8}[Hammermeister] I definitely
doomscrolled a good while.
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My friends were checking in on me.
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Making sure that I wasn't
on my phone for too long.
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[distorted audio streams]
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I didn't do fucking shit!
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What if all of this is actually a ploy
to keep people
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{\an8}from visiting the Titanic wreckage?
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{\an8}But if that's the goal, why?
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{\an8}[Hammermeister]
It's hard to put into words.
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And I felt a lot of different feelings,
including anger.
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[violin continues]
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[Hammermeister] It was a very weird week.
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But even the first day,
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the general assumption was the worst.
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[music fades]
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{\an8}[eerie music playing]
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[stirring musical swell]
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[official] The Coast Guard
has officially convened
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a Marine Board of Investigation
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into the loss of the submersible
and the five people on board.
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That investigation
will be led by Chief Investigator
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Captain Jason Neubauer.
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[slate clacks]
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{\an8}[Jason Neubauer] I was, uh,
just about to retire from the Coast Guard,
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{\an8}but I absolutely wanted this case
because it was so unique
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{\an8}that when the Admiral asked me if I would
do it, I immediately said yes.
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{\an8}[reporter 3] You can see
a blue ship. It's called Polar Prince,
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that took the submersible Titan
out to sea.
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This ship is flagged in Canada.
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There will be representatives from
the safety board there to receive them.
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[Neubauer] When something
like this happens,
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the first thing you want to check
for is jurisdiction.
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Anybody who has the flagged state
of a vessel involved in an incident
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automatically has jurisdiction.
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{\an8}The deadly implosion involved
the American-made OceanGate Titan sub,
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which launched from a Canadian ship
in international water.
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So this is a complicated
multinational investigation.
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[Neubauer] The Titan was not flagged
by any foreign nation or a U.S. state.
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That was, uh, very unusual.
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Never seen that before.
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[interviewer]
You've never seen that before?
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No, in 26 years
of doing investigations, so...
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[interviewer] How does that happen?
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I think it happens by design.
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[gulls calling]
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{\an8}[man 1] Can we start
with the lights off and turn them on?
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{\an8}[man 2] Sure.
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{\an8}- [hatch closes]
- [switches clicking]
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{\an8}[videographer] What else
can you show me in here?
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{\an8}We have external lights here.
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{\an8}So I think they... Are they hooked up?
They look like they are.
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This is our oxygen system.
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So this is the bottle you use
for normal operation.
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And all of these are emergency,
the ones that are in red.
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So that's four days of emergency oxygen.
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The pilot's back here.
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He's typically back here
like this with two displays.
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So he can fly off of one.
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[objects banging]
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[videographer] And how do you drive it?
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Uh, with this controller.
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[videographer] He was
a humble human being,
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but he was an arrogant scientist for sure.
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Like, he knew he was smart.
There was no doubt about it.
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He knew he was a genius even.
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{\an8}Just the way he was talking,
the confidence.
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{\an8}He was a very confident person, right?
Like, like,
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{\an8}he says things with conviction.
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{\an8}He tells you what he's going to do.
And he tells you why it works.
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The way he says it makes you go like,
"This guy knows what he's talking about."
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{\an8}I think we made great progress
in the '60s and '70s
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{\an8}on manned, um, ocean exploration.
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{\an8}And it died off for a lot of
explainable but illogical reasons.
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[man over radio, in French] 279.
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- [in French] How much?
- 279.
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{\an8}279.
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{\an8}[Cousteau, in English]
I have long felt that undersea exploration
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{\an8}is not an end in itself.
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{\an8}To enter this great unknown medium
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{\an8}is the privilege of our era.
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[Rush] Most scientists
get involved in marine biology
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{\an8}because they want to go in the ocean.
They're interested in the ocean,
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and they have a passion for it.
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Even if I gave you a 3D representation
of the Grand Canyon
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and piped in the smell of sage grass,
it won't replace being there.
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[Cousteau, in English]
Down here, we can clearly hear
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the squeaks and clicks of the dolphins.
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[squeaks, clicks]
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[Rush] Being able to hear and see
and feel the entire environment
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is something you can't duplicate.
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[gentle uplifting music playing]
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[no audible dialogue]
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[Assi] They needed more exposure.
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That's where we came along.
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The stuff they were making was very basic.
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So the idea was, "Make us videos,
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so we can catch
the attention of people," right?
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They had wild ideas, like they want
to take Pearl Jam in the submarine,
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or he talks about some floating city
that could also submerge.
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Stockton used to say,
"Accessibility is ownership."
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If there's a small island
in the middle of the ocean
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and you're the only one who can access it,
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it doesn't matter who owns it,
you have ownership over it
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because you have
the accessibility to get to it.
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And he truly believed in that.
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{\an8}Hello, I'm Stockton Rush,
and I was the pilot today
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{\an8}on a dive to look at trawl sites,
uh, off of Friday Harbor.
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{\an8}[Rob McCallum] I first met Stockton
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{\an8}when OceanGate was getting
off the ground in Seattle.
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{\an8}They were actually more focused on science
and education, primarily in Puget Sound.
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[burbling]
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[woman on radio]
Cyclops comms check, over.
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[pilot] Read you loud and clear topside.
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[McCallum] But in 2015,
things started to change.
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{\an8}If you ever wanted to visit
the wreck of the Titanic,
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{\an8}well, your opportunity is coming.
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{\an8}Tourists will be able to participate
in the first submersible expedition
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{\an8}to the Titanic since 2005.
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{\an8}Mr. Rush, thanks for this today.
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{\an8}Oh, pleasure to be here.
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{\an8}At the time, I was probably
the only person on the planet
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that he knew that had run expeditions
to Titanic before.
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{\an8}[reporter 4] Two and a half miles
beneath the ocean surface
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{\an8}lies the wreck of the Titanic.
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There she is.
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That is unbelievable.
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[McCallum] We are an expedition company.
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We had delivered around 150,
160 people to Titanic.
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{\an8}Why has it taken so long
for something like this to come about?
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{\an8}Because as you know, there's a lot of
interest even to this day in the Titanic.
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{\an8}Yes, I don't think many people appreciate
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{\an8}there are only four manned submersibles
that can get to the depth of the Titanic.
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{\an8}Titanic is a huge drawcard.
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{\an8}I'm actually flying
a remotely-operated vehicle.
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And this is Gilligan. I don't know
if you can see him there.
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He's the green sort of...
toaster on steroids.
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I mean, even now,
over 100 years after she sank,
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she just captures people.
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[film projector clanks]
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[Rush] People are
so enthralled with Titanic.
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I read an article
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that said there are three words
in the English language
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that are known throughout the planet,
and that's:
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{\an8}Coca-Cola, God, and Titanic.
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{\an8}[McCallum] Stockton saw an opportunity
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to restart tourist visits to Titanic.
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There was discussion about
how we would market those expeditions,
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how we would process paying clients,
what the experience would look like,
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and how we would build
and grow the product.
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[anchor 5]
CEO Stockton Rush and his team
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will be the first since 2005
to see the site.
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Civilians paying the inflated price
of a first-class passage
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on the Titanic's maiden voyage.
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{\an8}You're there with a mission.
So somebody comes with us,
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{\an8}they're going to work
on operating the sonar...
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{\an8}[McCallum] But first the idea
was to build a team.
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[music fades]
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[Lochridge] As soon as I finished school,
I joined the Royal Navy.
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{\an8}I ended up working as
a commercial diver, ROV pilot
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{\an8}and I've been involved in submersibles
for 20-plus years now.
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This is L5. Kilo, kilo, kilo.
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Roger L5, hard seal.
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My wife Carol, she actually saw
an advert online at the time,
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and she said, they're looking
for somebody to fulfill the position
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of Director of Marine Operations.
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{\an8}[Bonnie Carl] A girlfriend
of mine happened upon their website
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and sent it to me and said,
"Wow, look at this. Isn't this cool?"
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{\an8}I started diving in 2013,
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{\an8}and I fell in love with it.
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So I... [chuckles] ...basically was
cyber-stalking OceanGate for a while,
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and lo and behold,
a bookkeeping job came up.
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[ship horn blows]
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[Tony Nissen] I was just
on LinkedIn one day, on the ferry,
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{\an8}and came across this company
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{\an8}that, uh, was building
submersibles in my backyard
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{\an8}and I thought, huh.
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I love building stuff.
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Started in the Navy as a deep-sea diver.
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I studied Material Science
at UC Berkeley.
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- [camera operator] Rolling!
- Excellent, okay.
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[Nissen] They're looking
for a technician.
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[Carl] It was a significant pay cut.
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I'm a CPA,
and I knew I'd be overqualified,
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but to be able to combine
not only what I'm trained to do,
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but what my passion is, I mean,
that sounds like a dream job to me.
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[Assi] The whole time we worked
with OceanGate,
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everybody was privileged to be there,
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felt like they were special to be there.
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As you can see here, we've got
the manned submersible, Cyclops.
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This is a five-man submersible.
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It's got a maximum operating depth
of 500 meters.
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Um...
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I was going to be running
the submersible projects themselves.
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They had two existing subs,
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Cyclops 1 and Antipodes,
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and they had the build of Titan,
which was exciting.
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I just felt like I was drawn in,
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to actually do something that potentially
nobody had ever done before.
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[applause]
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Thanks very much.
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{\an8}Um, you may have seen
in the write-up of this
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{\an8}that I wanted to be an astronaut.
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That's why I got an engineering degree.
I watched Star Trek, Star Wars,
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and I wanted to see
those alien life-forms.
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And eventually, I realized that
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all the cool stuff that I thought
was out there is actually underwater.
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And in fact, um...
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[Carl] Stockton Rush
was definitely a salesman.
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I got the impression that he wanted
to do things differently, to be different.
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Anybody with the right amount of money
can build a sub and go down to Titanic,
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but he was doing it differently.
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The goal was,
where do you want to go in the ocean?
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What is the most known site in the ocean?
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It's clearly the Titanic. And to go
to the Titanic, which is at 3,800 meters,
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requires a special sub.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[reporter 5] His underwater vessel,
now under construction,
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will be able to carry five people
to the Titanic,
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more than two miles down.
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Where is your excitement factor on this?
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Oh, definitely at eleven! [laughs] So...
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[Lochridge]
Every submersible is different.
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Some are made of steel,
some are made of acrylic,
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some are made of titanium.
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But this is the first time
a design like this
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with a carbon fiber hull was going
to be used at those depths.
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So it was all unknown,
completely unknown.
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[voiceover] This is APL,
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{\an8}the Applied Physics Laboratory at
the University of Washington in Seattle.
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[no inaudible dialogue]
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{\an8}[Nissen] With APL, they worked
on the mechanical stuff
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{\an8}and the control system
with the PlayStation controllers.
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{\an8}We even had an office down there.
I'd go once or twice a week.
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[Lochridge] With APL being on board,
I had a level of comfort.
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[Lochridge] But the big appeal for myself
to go over to this project was
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that the vehicle was going to be
getting classed.
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{\an8}[McCallum] When we say
something is classed,
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{\an8}we're essentially saying
that a third-party agency
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{\an8}has independently certified it as safe.
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{\an8}The analogy would be,
if you decide to build
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{\an8}a home-built aircraft,
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you can take yourself and your friends
in it so long as nobody pays money.
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{\an8}But the minute you want to transport
fare-paying passengers in the vehicle,
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{\an8}you need to get it certified
by an independent agency.
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{\an8}In the marine world, that would be called
getting the vehicle classed.
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{\an8}[Lochridge] They'll look at design,
they'll look at build,
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{\an8}they'll look at annual inspections
on these things.
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[Lochridge] OceanGate's other two subs
had been classed.
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So with this whole vision
of going to Titanic
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with this new sub that was meant
to be getting classed,
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what's not to appeal?
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[reporter 5]
Rush says his submersible
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is one of the safest forms
of transportation in the world.
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By the time we're done testing it,
I believe it's pretty much invulnerable.
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And that's pretty much what
they said about the Titanic.
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- That's right.
- [chuckles]
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[clerk] Do you solemnly swear
that the testimony you are about to give
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will be the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
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- so help you God?
- I do.
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[clerk] Thank you. You may be seated.
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{\an8}We do the hearing in the form of a trial.
It looks like a court setting.
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- [Neubauer] Good morning, Mr. Nissen.
- Good morning, sir.
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All of my questions
are related to your background
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and then your experience with OceanGate
as the Director of Engineering.
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Sure, sounds good.
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[Neubauer] Several investigators
ask the questions.
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Every witness in this instance
has the right to counsel.
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Also participating in the hearing
are the parties of interest.
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And in this case,
we had OceanGate attorneys.
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You want to get to the facts,
and that's the primary goal of a hearing.
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Cut through the rumors
and get to actually what happened.
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[Neubauer] In what year did you
begin working with OceanGate?
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March of 2016.
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And in March of 2016,
what were you hired on as?
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The Director of Engineering.
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And what were your roles
and responsibilities in that job
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as the Director of Engineering?
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I was pitched by OceanGate
that the Cyclops 2 craft,
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uh, was nearly complete.
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I was going to put together the parts
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and then just start executing it.
And so I was...
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[watch alarm beeping]
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My apologies.
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That's my watch telling me
I have an abnormally high heart rate.
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Um, I was originally asked,
to, uh, to just finish this.
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It was going to be a year. And that's it.
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[Neubauer] And how would you
describe the workplace environment
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when you started with the company?
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[Nissen inhales, exhales]
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The first week was great.
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[Neubauer] We've studied Mr. Rush
and his leadership style.
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So I feel like we have a good
understanding of how he ran the business.
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[interviewer] Meaning... what exactly?
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[Neubauer] Well, he took a lot of
employment actions in front of others.
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It wasn't behind the scenes.
I think people knew
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if you challenged the boss
on some of these issues
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that there was a possibility
you'd be gone.
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{\an8}During my time there,
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and I'm not sure exactly
when it dawned on me,
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but, um, the business model
didn't start to make sense to me.
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We didn't have an income stream.
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He said that they were going to flag
the Titan in the Bahamas
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and launch out of Canada
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so that they wouldn't fall
under U.S. jurisdiction.
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But that if the Coast Guard
became a problem,
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that he would buy himself a congressman
and make it go away.
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Mr. McCoy, is that a direct quote?
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He said, "I would buy a congressman."
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I'd never had anybody
say that to me directly.
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And I was aghast.
And basically after that,
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I resigned from the company
and I couldn't work there anymore.
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[Mark Harris] In those early days
he was quite easy to get in contact with.
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He was very approachable.
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And I was very interested
in what they were planning to do,
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which was kind of democratize
ocean exploration.
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[typing]
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{\an8}[Harris] Got in touch with the company.
I talked with Stockton,
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{\an8}and then he invited me
to come on their prototype vessel.
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{\an8}Stockton was a typical
startup entrepreneur.
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{\an8}I've met many of them, dozens
over the years, hundreds probably.
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[interviewer]
Where did this guy come from?
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Like, uh, what do you know
about Stockton Rush?
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{\an8}[Harris] He came from privilege.
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{\an8}There's no doubt about that.
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{\an8}He was a graduate of Princeton.
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Not the strongest student academically,
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but he obviously
got an engineering degree.
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He built his own airplane from a kit.
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And that's a plane he would fly
for many years afterwards.
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Later he even built a kit submersible.
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You know, very confident,
full of enthusiasm.
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{\an8}Both Stockton and his wife, Wendy,
were from generational wealth.
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In fact, Stockton could actually
trace his ancestry
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all the way back to two signers
of the Declaration of Independence.
464
00:27:53,504 --> 00:27:55,130
[Rush over radio] How do you read us?
465
00:27:55,131 --> 00:27:58,844
We read you loud and clear.
How do you read us?
466
00:27:59,635 --> 00:28:01,762
[Rush] When you speak slowly,
just fine.
467
00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:03,347
We are going to lift off.
468
00:28:03,348 --> 00:28:04,724
[radio chatter]
469
00:28:04,725 --> 00:28:06,100
[Harris] His wife, Wendy,
470
00:28:06,101 --> 00:28:08,477
{\an8}she was the great-great-granddaughter
471
00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:12,023
{\an8}of two people who actually perished
on the Titanic.
472
00:28:12,858 --> 00:28:15,650
{\an8}The Strausses had formed
a mercantile empire
473
00:28:15,651 --> 00:28:19,614
that actually resulted in such household
names as the Macy's Department Store.
474
00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:22,993
So Stockton was definitely
part of the one percent.
475
00:28:23,785 --> 00:28:26,078
Stockton could be a very awkward person.
476
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,289
And if he wasn't happy with somebody,
he was very vocal.
477
00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:30,541
Very vocal.
478
00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:34,795
I have emails that were supplied to me
by an anonymous source
479
00:28:34,796 --> 00:28:37,758
that shows how he dealt with people
in his organization.
480
00:28:38,424 --> 00:28:40,802
And there was plenty there
that was concerning.
481
00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:45,556
I'd started hearing some stories
about Stockton's temper.
482
00:28:47,017 --> 00:28:50,560
He seemed to be very defensive whenever
anybody asked questions that were pointed.
483
00:28:50,561 --> 00:28:53,147
[Neubauer] Are you aware
of any dives where...
484
00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:54,398
[watch alarm beeps]
485
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:57,736
He would blame everything
on everybody else.
486
00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:04,910
He came across, even initially,
as quite arrogant.
487
00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:09,538
[Rush] It all really started with
the idea that there had to be
488
00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:13,126
{\an8}some kind of business opportunity
in exploring the ocean.
489
00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:16,670
To me, that's where
we're going to have cities
490
00:29:16,671 --> 00:29:18,463
- ...before we have them up in space.
- [woman] Ah!
491
00:29:18,464 --> 00:29:21,425
{\an8}On the moon? That is so cool.
And there are so many incredible...
492
00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:23,844
{\an8}[Carl] He wanted to be a Jeff Bezos
493
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:25,512
or Elon Musk.
494
00:29:25,513 --> 00:29:27,389
It is a fixer-upper of a planet.
495
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:30,811
But eventually you can transform Mars
into an Earth-like planet.
496
00:29:31,311 --> 00:29:32,812
How would you do that?
497
00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:35,480
He referred to those guys
as "big swingin' dicks." [sighs]
498
00:29:35,481 --> 00:29:38,819
And he loved that term
and used it all the time.
499
00:29:42,906 --> 00:29:46,826
He was using OceanGate and how OceanGate
was different with the carbon fiber
500
00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:48,619
from anybody else in the industry.
501
00:29:50,496 --> 00:29:54,042
If he can pull this off,
he can be a big swingin' dick too.
502
00:29:59,047 --> 00:30:02,883
Would you describe Titan,
based on the information that you know,
503
00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:06,096
as an experimental,
uh, manned submersible?
504
00:30:06,721 --> 00:30:10,015
Yeah, but it was
an experimental submersible
505
00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:14,479
that they had already taken deposits
to go to the Titanic in.
506
00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:27,324
[dramatic chords play]
507
00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:29,577
[ship horn blows]
508
00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:34,248
[Bill Price] I was hesitant to tell
my wife and my family what I was doing
509
00:30:34,249 --> 00:30:37,418
because I was still
a little bit skeptical.
510
00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:45,717
{\an8}If I tell them,
they're going to be worried.
511
00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:47,802
{\an8}So I didn't want to put them through that.
512
00:30:47,803 --> 00:30:51,099
[dramatic chords play]
513
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:58,188
[Price] You could tell that Stockton was
in charge. It was his operation.
514
00:30:58,189 --> 00:31:00,942
Watch your head. Got it?
Take all your gear on the back.
515
00:31:04,529 --> 00:31:06,488
[Rush] We have clients that are
516
00:31:06,489 --> 00:31:09,575
Titanic enthusiasts,
which we refer to as Titaniacs.
517
00:31:10,326 --> 00:31:13,246
- [employee 1] Everybody here?
- [employee 2] Okay, let's gather up here.
518
00:31:13,955 --> 00:31:17,207
A lot of our mission specialists
are also space people.
519
00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:21,962
Um, it differs in a significant way,
in that we actively seek
520
00:31:21,963 --> 00:31:25,215
the involvement of the mission specialists
who come out with us.
521
00:31:25,216 --> 00:31:27,302
[applause]
522
00:31:28,594 --> 00:31:31,471
[employee 2] So, head call
for the mission specialists.
523
00:31:31,472 --> 00:31:35,060
Dive checks. We're at four.
Pre-brief now we're...
524
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,229
[McCallum] The term mission specialist
is a workaround.
525
00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:43,068
There are some rules
about operating vessels at sea.
526
00:31:43,609 --> 00:31:47,654
Those rules differ depending on
whether you are a crew member
527
00:31:47,655 --> 00:31:48,948
or you're a paying passenger.
528
00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:51,075
There are things that are
maybe less critical.
529
00:31:51,076 --> 00:31:53,243
For example, reviewing video content.
530
00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:55,620
You know, you're not going to hurt
anybody if you mess that up.
531
00:31:55,621 --> 00:31:57,915
But we have our mission specialists
closing the dome.
532
00:31:57,916 --> 00:31:58,999
Well, that's pretty critical.
533
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,086
[screws rattling]
534
00:32:01,794 --> 00:32:03,712
[drill whirring]
535
00:32:03,713 --> 00:32:07,342
[McCallum] Stockton was
trying to confuse that,
536
00:32:07,968 --> 00:32:12,013
insisting that nobody was ever
referred to as a passenger.
537
00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:15,016
Colin Taylor, uh, mission specialist.
538
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,517
Uh, Richard Taylor, mission specialist.
539
00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:19,894
It was just one of the steps
that OceanGate took
540
00:32:19,895 --> 00:32:22,941
to make sure that they could work
around US legislation.
541
00:32:24,484 --> 00:32:27,402
[Rush] There are certain things that
you want to be buttoned down,
542
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:29,030
and that's the pressure vessel.
543
00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:31,823
You know, once the pressure vessel is...
544
00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:35,536
you're certain it's not going to collapse
on everybody, everything else can fail.
545
00:32:39,332 --> 00:32:43,628
[Price] One of the things that
impressed me is the total transparency.
546
00:32:47,882 --> 00:32:51,801
[Price] In all of the documentation
it was very straightforward
547
00:32:51,802 --> 00:32:54,389
that you're, you know,
basically signing your life away.
548
00:33:02,897 --> 00:33:03,938
[whirring]
549
00:33:03,939 --> 00:33:08,444
[indistinct voice over speaker]
550
00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:13,073
[interviewer] I've got to say,
being one of the first to go
551
00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:15,200
to the bottom of the ocean
552
00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:16,827
in an experimental sub
553
00:33:17,537 --> 00:33:18,662
sounds frightening.
554
00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:22,374
[Price] Well, you're not alone.
A lot of people have said that to me.
555
00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:26,837
But, um, I felt confident.
I felt confident in both Stockton
556
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:28,839
and in P.H.
557
00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:33,177
{\an8}[Price] P.H. had been there 37 times,
558
00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:36,138
{\an8}and he knows, you know,
everything about the Titanic
559
00:33:36,139 --> 00:33:39,684
and a whole lot about submersibles
and diving.
560
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:44,439
{\an8}[uplifting music playing]
561
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:48,983
[P.H. Nargeolet] Each dive
is a new experience.
562
00:33:48,984 --> 00:33:54,199
Each dive is a new adventure because
you never see the same thing exactly.
563
00:33:55,325 --> 00:33:58,161
[voiceover] This is
an elite French research vessel.
564
00:33:58,869 --> 00:34:01,663
George Tulloch is the expedition leader.
565
00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,583
Tulloch's company, RMS Titanic,
566
00:34:04,584 --> 00:34:08,170
is responsible for conserving
the historic ocean liner.
567
00:34:08,171 --> 00:34:10,297
To coordinate the expedition,
568
00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:15,178
Tulloch has chosen P.H. Nargeolet,
a former French Navy commander.
569
00:34:18,013 --> 00:34:19,556
[S. Nargeolet in French]
I appreciate the Titanic,
570
00:34:19,557 --> 00:34:23,186
but it took away
a lot of time with my dad.
571
00:34:24,687 --> 00:34:26,689
{\an8}[sentimental music playing]
572
00:34:30,693 --> 00:34:34,029
[in French] When I was little,
we lived in the south of France.
573
00:34:34,614 --> 00:34:41,328
My father wasn't often at home because
he was often on trips with the Navy.
574
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:44,165
He did many missions at sea.
575
00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:57,345
They discovered new objects,
576
00:34:58,221 --> 00:35:01,682
retrieved them from the sea
in order to protect them.
577
00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:03,725
[shouts] Hello!
578
00:35:03,726 --> 00:35:04,852
[music fades]
579
00:35:05,478 --> 00:35:08,731
[in French] His work was his passion.
580
00:35:09,315 --> 00:35:11,942
Brody, Horizon cadet,
and OceanGate intern.
581
00:35:13,027 --> 00:35:16,029
Steve, Mission...
uh, Media and Marketing,
582
00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:18,031
and General Ops support.
583
00:35:18,032 --> 00:35:20,784
- [camera beeps]
- P.H., sub crew.
584
00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:21,701
Sub crew.
585
00:35:21,702 --> 00:35:22,827
- Know-it-all.
- [laughter]
586
00:35:22,828 --> 00:35:26,623
[employee 2] Most experienced
submersible pilot nearly in the world now.
587
00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:28,501
- That's who you are, P.H.
- [Taylor] Bravo.
588
00:35:33,714 --> 00:35:35,882
[in French] He didn't work for OceanGate,
I prefer to say it.
589
00:35:35,883 --> 00:35:37,343
He was invited.
590
00:35:38,093 --> 00:35:40,305
That is important. Mmm.
591
00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:46,977
[indistinct voice over speaker]
592
00:35:58,823 --> 00:36:02,285
[Price] There was a certain
amount of, uh, anticipation.
593
00:36:05,621 --> 00:36:07,873
They call it the abyss for a reason.
594
00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:11,168
[oxygen tank hisses]
595
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:13,254
[water burbling]
596
00:36:29,019 --> 00:36:33,440
- [indistinct speech]
- [air hissing]
597
00:36:33,441 --> 00:36:35,193
[man 1] How far away do you think?
598
00:36:36,527 --> 00:36:37,403
[man 2] I would say
599
00:36:39,071 --> 00:36:39,947
five hundred.
600
00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:41,574
Five hundred meters.
601
00:36:48,914 --> 00:36:52,125
[Price] When we're coming
across the floor,
602
00:36:52,126 --> 00:36:55,295
all of a sudden there's this big wall,
603
00:36:55,296 --> 00:36:57,632
and that was surreal.
604
00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:00,843
It was, "Oh, my God, that's it."
605
00:37:07,433 --> 00:37:10,686
[P. Nargeolet] We are alongside the...
the hull now.
606
00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:13,981
[Price] There is the bow!
607
00:37:14,815 --> 00:37:16,401
[Nargeolet] Yeah, I can see the bow.
608
00:37:17,318 --> 00:37:19,945
[dramatic musical swell]
609
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:29,580
[Price] Oh, wow, look there. It's the...
610
00:37:30,498 --> 00:37:32,749
- Is that the telegraph or something?
- [Nargeolet] Yeah.
611
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:35,335
[Taylor] Mm-hmm.
Those are all the plaques.
612
00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:37,255
- [Price] And the plaques, yeah.
- [Taylor] Mm-hmm.
613
00:37:38,464 --> 00:37:40,965
[Price] There was a million things
running through my head,
614
00:37:40,966 --> 00:37:43,552
but the main thing was that,
615
00:37:43,553 --> 00:37:46,763
"I'm actually here seeing this.
616
00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:48,683
This is incredible."
617
00:37:51,018 --> 00:37:52,936
And I'll never forget that.
618
00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:54,062
[camera shutter clicks]
619
00:37:54,063 --> 00:37:55,397
[anchor 6] It's an incredible view
620
00:37:55,398 --> 00:37:58,149
more people are getting
a chance to see up close.
621
00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:01,528
This expedition included nationally
and world-renowned scientists,
622
00:38:01,529 --> 00:38:03,739
explorers, and Titanic experts.
623
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:09,454
Leading the charge on this expedition
is OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush.
624
00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:14,124
How do you feel?
625
00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:18,338
Uh, well, I know how I felt right when
we were done, which was exhausted.
626
00:38:19,004 --> 00:38:21,382
Um, and now I'm just...
627
00:38:22,132 --> 00:38:24,176
[Assi] I was really happy for them.
628
00:38:25,428 --> 00:38:27,887
I wanted them to succeed
629
00:38:27,888 --> 00:38:30,139
because their goal was noble.
630
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:33,643
Today we're getting some new first images
from a historic dive
631
00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:35,312
{\an8}by OceanGate founder...
632
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:38,189
{\an8}[anchor 7] And we are pleased to say
that the CEO and founder Stockton Rush
633
00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:41,652
{\an8}joins us live from Connecticut with more.
Stockton, this is incredible.
634
00:38:42,528 --> 00:38:44,739
[cheering]
635
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:50,119
[Rush] I didn't really have a chance
to absorb it until I got back to the ship.
636
00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:52,746
When I got to the surface
was this amazing thing
637
00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:53,997
'cause it had been 12 years
638
00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:56,792
{\an8}of working to do this,
and to get there was great.
639
00:38:59,294 --> 00:39:01,212
[interviewer]
We do have to acknowledge
640
00:39:01,213 --> 00:39:02,589
that he did do
641
00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,174
what he set out to do.
642
00:39:04,675 --> 00:39:07,302
He took a carbon fiber sub
to the Titanic.
643
00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:10,139
[McCallum] Yes, that is true,
644
00:39:10,806 --> 00:39:13,182
but there was no way of knowing
when it was going to fail.
645
00:39:13,183 --> 00:39:16,061
But it was a mathematical certainty
that it would fail.
646
00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:20,483
So having a dive or two,
or ten, to Titanic
647
00:39:21,316 --> 00:39:23,026
is not a measure of success.
648
00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:25,112
[indistinct chatter]
649
00:39:25,988 --> 00:39:28,407
[McCallum] And personally,
I will never understand
650
00:39:28,408 --> 00:39:31,160
how it survived the first test dives.
651
00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:35,789
The investigation will show
that there was some switching of hulls
652
00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:39,292
about halfway through the process
because the earlier one did fail.
653
00:39:39,293 --> 00:39:41,128
{\an8}[thunder rumbles]
654
00:40:00,022 --> 00:40:01,106
[man] Okay.
655
00:40:03,358 --> 00:40:05,570
[indistinct chatter]
656
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:14,453
[Rush] Today we'll be doing our third
pressure test of the carbon fiber hull.
657
00:40:14,454 --> 00:40:20,750
Uh, reasonably, we would like to get
to 6,000 PSI which is 4,100 meters.
658
00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:23,587
{\an8}But there's a non-zero probability
659
00:40:23,588 --> 00:40:27,717
{\an8}that it may implode as it did
in the first test that we did.
660
00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:32,679
[man] Okay.
661
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,432
[Assi] They did multiple tests.
662
00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:38,393
Because they were testing the depth,
how deep can we go.
663
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,857
[Lochridge] I knew it was new materials
they were going to be using.
664
00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:46,568
The carbon fiber.
I knew nothing about carbon fiber
665
00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:48,237
until I moved across. Nothing.
666
00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:57,121
[McCallum] Carbon fiber is essentially
string made from carbon.
667
00:40:57,913 --> 00:41:00,708
It's coated in a glue or a resin
to hold it together.
668
00:41:02,417 --> 00:41:03,252
[Rush] Lined up.
669
00:41:04,754 --> 00:41:07,338
[McCallum] Carbon fiber
is very, very strong,
670
00:41:07,339 --> 00:41:09,174
and it's a lighter
and cheaper material.
671
00:41:10,885 --> 00:41:11,927
[Rush] It's good enough.
672
00:41:12,512 --> 00:41:15,555
[Harris] It's in many new, um, systems,
many new products,
673
00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:17,431
people are using it
for lots of reasons
674
00:41:17,432 --> 00:41:19,267
because it's really light, really strong.
675
00:41:19,268 --> 00:41:21,604
- [Rush] Are we good?
- [rattling]
676
00:41:24,356 --> 00:41:27,567
When I looked at the cost
of operating a sub, it's the ship.
677
00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:30,319
The two things that drive the cost
of submersible operations...
678
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,405
It's not the... replenishing the oxygen
679
00:41:32,406 --> 00:41:34,408
or the carbon dioxide scrubber,
that's nothing.
680
00:41:35,075 --> 00:41:36,409
It's all about the ship.
681
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:38,828
And the next most important thing
is mobilization.
682
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:41,330
How do you get the stuff
from one location to another?
683
00:41:41,331 --> 00:41:43,292
That's 90 percent of your cost.
684
00:41:46,003 --> 00:41:48,004
[Harris] If you were to build
a five-person sub
685
00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:49,798
out of steel and titanium,
686
00:41:49,799 --> 00:41:52,259
it would be extremely large
and extremely heavy.
687
00:41:52,843 --> 00:41:56,681
You'd need something enormous
to lift it out of the water to carry it.
688
00:41:59,183 --> 00:42:01,685
What about these ones I'm holding now?
They don't have a lot of...
689
00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:03,688
This doesn't go
any higher than where it is.
690
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,776
[Harris] If you can realize that dream
of a carbon fiber submersible,
691
00:42:09,777 --> 00:42:13,487
you can drop the price, you can suddenly
have fleets of these submersibles
692
00:42:13,488 --> 00:42:15,115
operating around the world.
693
00:42:15,908 --> 00:42:17,535
Okay, now what?
694
00:42:18,327 --> 00:42:19,870
- He's got to do all that?
- [man] Yeah.
695
00:42:21,872 --> 00:42:23,123
[Harris] It's not like metal.
696
00:42:23,708 --> 00:42:26,168
You know,
titanium is extremely well understood.
697
00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:29,212
Carbon fiber is far more idiosyncratic,
698
00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:31,464
in that the little fibers
inside there can snap.
699
00:42:31,465 --> 00:42:33,217
{\an8}[click]
700
00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:37,512
{\an8}That snap? That actually creates a sound.
701
00:42:39,014 --> 00:42:40,724
[Dave Dyer] We have the acoustic sensors.
702
00:42:40,725 --> 00:42:42,892
If we have carbon fiber that snaps,
703
00:42:42,893 --> 00:42:44,770
we can pick that up in the acoustics.
704
00:42:45,771 --> 00:42:49,065
Any time a fiber snaps, that weakens
the structure, as you can imagine.
705
00:42:49,066 --> 00:42:50,650
[chattering]
706
00:42:50,651 --> 00:42:53,862
{\an8}If an individual strand of fiber cracks,
707
00:42:53,863 --> 00:42:55,279
{\an8}if carbon cracks inside the hull,
708
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,745
this hopefully will detect that crack,
which is indicative of structural failure.
709
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:03,288
[Rush] Got some fuzz.
710
00:43:04,539 --> 00:43:06,792
[Harris] This was called
the acoustic monitoring system.
711
00:43:08,753 --> 00:43:11,045
It was basically an array of microphones
712
00:43:11,046 --> 00:43:14,925
{\an8}all over the hull that listened
for each of those fibers breaking.
713
00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:18,928
The sound of that carbon fiber snapping,
OceanGate believed,
714
00:43:18,929 --> 00:43:20,722
could actually be used to determine
715
00:43:20,723 --> 00:43:23,517
whether it was about to fail
the whole structure.
716
00:43:27,647 --> 00:43:32,150
In 2021, their website claimed
that their real-time monitoring
717
00:43:32,151 --> 00:43:34,068
is an unparalleled safety feature,
718
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:37,614
so that anyone inside that submersible
would get a forewarning.
719
00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:41,160
They'd have time to stop their descent
to surface safely.
720
00:43:42,369 --> 00:43:44,120
[woman] We hope that we hear nothing.
That would be ideal.
721
00:43:44,121 --> 00:43:47,666
That we hear nothing
and that the structure is perfectly sound
722
00:43:47,667 --> 00:43:49,126
the whole way through the test.
723
00:43:49,794 --> 00:43:51,711
[woman 2] How did you
get involved with OceanGate?
724
00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:55,131
[woman] Um, so, they had contacted
somebody at Boeing.
725
00:43:55,132 --> 00:43:58,552
So both myself and the other gentleman,
Jake, work for Boeing.
726
00:44:01,764 --> 00:44:04,432
[Harris] Connecting
with Boeing helped a lot.
727
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:08,394
[machine whirring]
728
00:44:08,395 --> 00:44:11,523
Carbon fiber was something
these Boeing engineers understood.
729
00:44:12,107 --> 00:44:16,027
And they were just based literally
steps away from OceanGate's headquarters
730
00:44:16,028 --> 00:44:17,237
in Everett, Washington.
731
00:44:18,823 --> 00:44:21,825
So the Boeing team there in 2013
732
00:44:21,826 --> 00:44:24,787
created a concept design document.
733
00:44:25,537 --> 00:44:28,207
It was a pretty hefty document,
like 70 pages, I think.
734
00:44:32,461 --> 00:44:35,881
In that document, I would say
they had set out a path or a roadmap
735
00:44:36,506 --> 00:44:37,967
to build such a vessel.
736
00:44:39,134 --> 00:44:40,678
[Dyer] Okay, coming down.
737
00:44:41,178 --> 00:44:43,680
[Harris] These Boeing engineers
were very concerned
738
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:47,184
about the possible performance
of the carbon fiber hull.
739
00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:54,691
[Dyer] The purpose for this test is,
we've scaled the hull down
740
00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:56,818
to about a quarter of the size
of the full-size model.
741
00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:59,445
We assemble it,
we put all our instrumentation in it,
742
00:44:59,446 --> 00:45:00,905
{\an8}we run it and put it into the chamber
743
00:45:00,906 --> 00:45:04,409
{\an8}and it simulates taking that hull
down to the depth that we want to go.
744
00:45:06,328 --> 00:45:07,829
- [Dyer] Are you stable?
- We're stable. We're good.
745
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:08,873
[Dyer] John, you ready?
746
00:45:09,915 --> 00:45:12,001
Fifteen hundred. Go ahead.
747
00:45:12,584 --> 00:45:15,921
[air pump rattling]
748
00:45:18,298 --> 00:45:22,803
Each one of these pulses
is some kind of an event in the hull.
749
00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:27,474
Epoxy settling or a strand breaking.
Hopefully not breaking, but...
750
00:45:28,183 --> 00:45:29,643
What's our pressure, John?
751
00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:31,561
We're at 3,500.
752
00:45:32,687 --> 00:45:33,730
Let's go to four.
753
00:45:39,069 --> 00:45:41,488
{\an8}Where are we now? There we are.
754
00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:42,907
Oh.
755
00:45:43,657 --> 00:45:45,700
- [woman laughs]
- [Rush] What do you think, Dave?
756
00:45:47,411 --> 00:45:49,829
Let's just see how she settles
down, but that's a lot of events.
757
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,580
[woman] Yeah, you don't want to do that.
758
00:45:51,581 --> 00:45:53,082
- [loud snap]
- [all] Oh!
759
00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:54,043
[Rush] Okay.
760
00:45:57,546 --> 00:45:59,005
[woman] Where did it go to?
761
00:45:59,006 --> 00:46:00,424
[Dyer] It went to 4,000...
762
00:46:01,341 --> 00:46:02,926
4,009 (PSI).
763
00:46:02,927 --> 00:46:05,094
So at least you know
the acoustic monitoring works.
764
00:46:05,095 --> 00:46:09,348
[Rush] Well, yeah, but the fact
that he couldn't even...
765
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:12,561
We didn't get to the last pressure
we did last time. I mean, that kind of...
766
00:46:13,228 --> 00:46:14,604
that solves a lot.
767
00:46:16,481 --> 00:46:20,444
On that day, they were super excited,
then when it imploded, they got pissed.
768
00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:22,320
[man] Oh, here it is.
769
00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:24,155
- Yeah, right here.
- [Dyer] Let's go see.
770
00:46:24,156 --> 00:46:25,991
[Rush] I just can't believe it.
771
00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:28,659
We couldn't even
get past fucking 4,300 PSI.
772
00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:29,578
[Dyer] No.
773
00:46:42,424 --> 00:46:44,758
{\an8}[Assi] Stockton, he had that vibe of like,
774
00:46:44,759 --> 00:46:47,804
"Everything is going to work out,"
like, "We got this."
775
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:50,515
Look at that.
776
00:46:51,475 --> 00:46:52,308
[woman] Oh.
777
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:54,310
[Rush] Yeah,
so it's an implode-explode.
778
00:46:54,311 --> 00:46:56,605
Well, okay.
779
00:46:58,148 --> 00:47:00,566
[Stockton]
I think it was around 3,000 PSI,
780
00:47:00,567 --> 00:47:05,364
we started to see a little bit of acoustic
activity on one of the hemispheres.
781
00:47:05,865 --> 00:47:07,448
And it got worse,
782
00:47:07,449 --> 00:47:10,202
um, and when we stopped at 4,000 PSI
783
00:47:10,785 --> 00:47:12,037
the whole thing failed.
784
00:47:12,537 --> 00:47:13,829
So the good news is,
785
00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:16,582
we started to see evidence of failure
before it happened,
786
00:47:16,583 --> 00:47:19,210
which is one of the test objectives:
787
00:47:19,211 --> 00:47:23,798
to validate the acoustic monitoring
and see if you can predict failure.
788
00:47:24,799 --> 00:47:26,343
All tests are good tests.
789
00:47:28,387 --> 00:47:30,679
That came out... different.
790
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,766
[Dyer] Excellent piece of art.
791
00:47:33,976 --> 00:47:35,727
It's a regular Jackson Pollock.
792
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,109
[McCallum] The monitoring system
for the hull
793
00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:46,279
was something
that was dreamt up by OceanGate,
794
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,908
in order to try and give some comfort
795
00:47:49,909 --> 00:47:53,328
to people who were asking
too many questions.
796
00:47:58,167 --> 00:48:01,210
After we set the threshold to 2,000,
now here we have a bunch of events
797
00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:04,255
that have happened here
on a number of different data channels.
798
00:48:04,256 --> 00:48:06,925
So right now it's been
relatively quiet at 6,000,
799
00:48:06,926 --> 00:48:08,884
so we're going to go up to 6,500
800
00:48:08,885 --> 00:48:10,804
and if we start seeing
some events, we'll stop.
801
00:48:13,265 --> 00:48:17,476
[McCallum] You know, if I have a ski
made of carbon, or composite material,
802
00:48:17,477 --> 00:48:21,814
and I'm putting pressure on the ski
and you can hear it creaking and cracking,
803
00:48:21,815 --> 00:48:24,151
you don't actually know
when it's going to snap.
804
00:48:27,029 --> 00:48:27,861
[bang]
805
00:48:27,862 --> 00:48:29,948
I would say that was it! [chuckles]
806
00:48:29,949 --> 00:48:32,076
- [man] Should we stop now?
- Yeah, I think so.
807
00:48:32,909 --> 00:48:35,578
[McCallum] So you're listening
to this thing screaming,
808
00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:37,413
you're listening to it stressing
809
00:48:37,414 --> 00:48:40,291
and telling you
that it's under immense pressure,
810
00:48:40,292 --> 00:48:42,336
but it can't tell you
when it's going to fail.
811
00:48:44,338 --> 00:48:48,591
[Harris] The Boeing engineers
sent Stockton an analysis of that hull,
812
00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:51,594
the forces exerted on the hull
as it would go deeper and deeper,
813
00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:53,804
{\an8}that had a skull and crossbones
814
00:48:53,805 --> 00:48:57,601
{\an8}at the depth just below
where the Titanic would be sitting.
815
00:49:00,854 --> 00:49:06,193
[Harris] It was quite a telling sign to me
that their concerns went pretty deep.
816
00:49:09,238 --> 00:49:12,282
[female investigator] Why did OceanGate
and Boeing stop working together?
817
00:49:13,575 --> 00:49:16,869
{\an8}I-I don't know exactly. You know?
818
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:20,082
{\an8}I think maybe we were too expensive.
819
00:49:21,125 --> 00:49:24,628
Even when it was obvious
that Boeing wasn't going to build the sub,
820
00:49:25,379 --> 00:49:28,381
Stockton kind of had the recipe book.
821
00:49:28,382 --> 00:49:30,091
And then I think Stockton realized
that he needed
822
00:49:30,092 --> 00:49:31,759
some engineering expertise in-house.
823
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,971
You couldn't contract everything out
to University of Washington, APL...
824
00:49:35,889 --> 00:49:39,350
As the Director of Engineering,
did you make all engineering decisions?
825
00:49:39,351 --> 00:49:40,269
No.
826
00:49:41,561 --> 00:49:44,272
- Did you make any engineering decisions?
- Yes.
827
00:49:44,273 --> 00:49:47,233
And who would make the majority
of the engineering decisions?
828
00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:48,276
[Nissen] It was Stockton.
829
00:49:48,277 --> 00:49:51,488
Most people would just eventually
back down from Stockton.
830
00:49:51,988 --> 00:49:54,283
Like, it was almost death
by a thousand cuts.
831
00:49:57,619 --> 00:50:00,538
[Harris] So Tony came on board,
I think 2016.
832
00:50:00,539 --> 00:50:03,082
He centralized a lot of
the engineering expertise
833
00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:06,836
and hired other engineers and
built up the engineering team...
834
00:50:07,754 --> 00:50:11,382
that were to really replace U-Dub,
835
00:50:11,383 --> 00:50:14,843
to do their own designs
and to create a-a finished vessel.
836
00:50:14,844 --> 00:50:16,930
[objects rattling]
837
00:50:17,806 --> 00:50:20,974
Stockton turned to me and said,
"Well, now it's your problem."
838
00:50:20,975 --> 00:50:22,686
[chuckles]
839
00:50:47,461 --> 00:50:50,089
{\an8}[Lochridge] The wreck itself,
it lies off Nantucket.
840
00:50:51,881 --> 00:50:54,676
{\an8}We steamed out
with the submersible, Cyclops 1.
841
00:50:57,721 --> 00:51:00,639
We knew it was going to be
the test for the company,
842
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,559
and it was going to be very dangerous.
843
00:51:03,768 --> 00:51:05,269
[Stockton] We're going to stay down
as long as possible.
844
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:08,106
We have a new comms procedure.
We're going to go two hours.
845
00:51:08,107 --> 00:51:11,235
We're going to drop 100 meters
up current, best guess.
846
00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:16,780
Like Titanic, the plan was
to actually map the entire wreck.
847
00:51:16,781 --> 00:51:20,285
I was going to be taking
four of the paying passengers down.
848
00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:24,122
But on the day of diving,
849
00:51:24,123 --> 00:51:27,542
Stockton decided
he no longer wanted me in the sub.
850
00:51:28,293 --> 00:51:30,379
He was going to be taking
the passengers down.
851
00:51:31,338 --> 00:51:33,006
And that's when I protested.
852
00:51:33,715 --> 00:51:38,010
The wreck is decaying at a rapid rate.
It's very, very dangerous.
853
00:51:38,011 --> 00:51:39,596
There's a lot of hazards.
854
00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:46,894
He just decided he wanted to do
855
00:51:46,895 --> 00:51:49,398
what he wanted to do, and he was the CEO.
856
00:51:51,024 --> 00:51:53,443
So we did lock heads on that day.
857
00:51:54,986 --> 00:51:58,031
I eventually persuaded him
to allow me to come in the sub,
858
00:51:58,782 --> 00:52:00,241
but he wanted to pilot it.
859
00:52:00,242 --> 00:52:02,076
[no audible dialogue]
860
00:52:08,167 --> 00:52:10,001
[Lochridge] I'll pass it right down.
You can get yourself in.
861
00:52:10,752 --> 00:52:12,754
[wind whooshing]
862
00:52:19,178 --> 00:52:21,555
[Rush over radio] Starting to initiate
underwater comms.
863
00:52:22,181 --> 00:52:23,806
I'm going to start the camera now.
864
00:52:23,807 --> 00:52:25,099
[Rush] Go for it.
865
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:28,269
Go ahead and vent at will.
866
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:29,438
[man in blue] Vent at will.
867
00:52:29,979 --> 00:52:32,064
[air hissing]
868
00:52:32,065 --> 00:52:33,024
[man in blue] Venting.
869
00:52:33,608 --> 00:52:36,360
[air hissing]
870
00:52:36,361 --> 00:52:37,279
[Rush] Dive, dive, dive.
871
00:52:37,862 --> 00:52:38,947
[man in blue] Dive, dive.
872
00:52:41,366 --> 00:52:43,201
[Rush] All right. We are lifting off.
873
00:52:43,202 --> 00:52:44,203
Roger, liftoff.
874
00:52:50,459 --> 00:52:51,751
- [Lochridge] Clear of the LARS.
- [Rush] Yep.
875
00:52:59,343 --> 00:53:02,804
[Rush] Roger, read you topside.
We are 3-2 meters descending.
876
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,558
[Rush over radio] Comms check.
All good at 4-0 meters.
877
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:08,643
[static hisses]
878
00:53:10,061 --> 00:53:13,063
[Rush] Tell me when you get bottom
contact, we are at eight meters off.
879
00:53:13,064 --> 00:53:14,190
[Lochridge] Nothing yet.
880
00:53:14,774 --> 00:53:16,025
- [woman] There it is.
- [Rush] There it is.
881
00:53:17,068 --> 00:53:18,486
[man] It's right there, see it?
882
00:53:18,487 --> 00:53:19,946
[Rush] Okay, bring it in.
883
00:53:23,867 --> 00:53:24,700
[man] Oh.
884
00:53:24,701 --> 00:53:26,076
- [woman] There it is.
- [Rush] Yeah.
885
00:53:26,077 --> 00:53:27,745
[woman] We see it perfectly well.
886
00:53:27,746 --> 00:53:29,247
That's the lights?
887
00:53:29,248 --> 00:53:30,498
[Rush] Can we, uh...
888
00:53:30,499 --> 00:53:32,291
[woman] Rotate a little bit more.
889
00:53:32,292 --> 00:53:33,793
[man] We're very, very close.
890
00:53:34,836 --> 00:53:35,961
[Rush] We're too far down.
891
00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:37,964
[man] There's debris all around us.
892
00:53:38,465 --> 00:53:39,798
- Right, okay.
- [Rush] See that?
893
00:53:39,799 --> 00:53:42,260
- [man] That's the shot out here.
- [Lochridge] Wow. Okay.
894
00:53:42,261 --> 00:53:44,345
[man] I'm just saying,
we're a little close.
895
00:53:44,346 --> 00:53:46,305
- [man] I'm not telling you what...
- [Rush muttering]
896
00:53:46,306 --> 00:53:50,476
[Lochridge] He came down, drove forward
three meters away from the bow.
897
00:53:50,477 --> 00:53:53,272
Basically, he brought us
into a debris field.
898
00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:55,523
[Rush] I'm going to put
some lights on. Ready?
899
00:53:55,524 --> 00:53:56,691
- [woman] Okay.
- [man] Yeah. Yeah.
900
00:53:57,401 --> 00:53:58,651
- [Rush] Okay?
- [man] Yeah.
901
00:53:58,652 --> 00:54:00,319
[Rush] I'm going to motor
to the three o'clock,
902
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,195
so that if we drift, we drift past it.
903
00:54:02,196 --> 00:54:03,323
- [man] Okay.
- [Rush] Okay?
904
00:54:05,033 --> 00:54:08,536
[Lochridge] The wreck's only three meters
off to the port side, Stockton. Whoa.
905
00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:11,665
Come down, come down, come down.
Come down. Come down.
906
00:54:12,248 --> 00:54:14,292
Come down. Keep coming down.
907
00:54:14,293 --> 00:54:16,043
[air hissing]
908
00:54:16,044 --> 00:54:19,672
Okay, if you've got nothing ahead of you,
kick ahead, okay?
909
00:54:19,673 --> 00:54:21,799
Kicking ahead slowly, slowly.
910
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,551
- [man] What is it?
- [Lochridge] I don't know.
911
00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:25,260
Just keep going, about a hull.
912
00:54:25,261 --> 00:54:27,305
[whirring]
913
00:54:27,306 --> 00:54:30,516
[Lochridge] He brought us in
to the starboard side
914
00:54:30,517 --> 00:54:32,851
and jammed us in underneath the bow.
915
00:54:32,852 --> 00:54:35,145
So he had us jammed good and proper.
916
00:54:35,146 --> 00:54:38,190
I said to him, "Please don't do anything.
Just give me the controller."
917
00:54:38,191 --> 00:54:40,568
[Rush] If we went straight up,
are we... We're not going to hit it.
918
00:54:40,569 --> 00:54:41,902
We're going to get
damn close though, right?
919
00:54:41,903 --> 00:54:44,863
[Lochridge] No, we are going to hit it.
For sure.
920
00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:48,701
Chris, if you could keep an eyeball out
of the port side of the viewport, okay?
921
00:54:48,702 --> 00:54:50,994
We're just looking for
any cables, any wires.
922
00:54:50,995 --> 00:54:54,247
[Lochridge] He didn't have a lot
of experience in piloting subs.
923
00:54:54,248 --> 00:54:57,501
Right, it's a piece of debris, for sure.
924
00:54:57,502 --> 00:54:59,463
- It's right above us.
- It's right above us.
925
00:55:01,465 --> 00:55:05,426
At that point, I got us clear,
I motored 50 meters away,
926
00:55:05,427 --> 00:55:07,302
turned us round, and I said,
927
00:55:07,303 --> 00:55:10,889
"That is what we were supposed
to have fucking done on the dive."
928
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:13,476
And he said, "Thank you, I owe you one."
929
00:55:13,477 --> 00:55:19,648
Topside, for information,
we are 3-0 meters off the bow,
930
00:55:19,649 --> 00:55:22,275
returning to surface.
931
00:55:22,276 --> 00:55:26,322
Current depth, 5-2 meters.
932
00:55:27,281 --> 00:55:28,867
[air hisses]
933
00:55:40,629 --> 00:55:42,546
[woman] We got stuck underneath the bow.
934
00:55:42,547 --> 00:55:45,215
[camera operator] I don't even know
if I want to hear this story.
935
00:55:45,216 --> 00:55:47,927
Literally, you could see it
in the dome port,
936
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:50,095
and it was right behind us.
937
00:55:50,096 --> 00:55:52,347
David took over.
938
00:55:52,348 --> 00:55:54,016
Yeah, David was looking up.
939
00:55:54,017 --> 00:55:55,142
He looked up in the dome port.
940
00:55:55,143 --> 00:55:57,770
We were gonna go straight,
but there's a big hill.
941
00:55:57,771 --> 00:56:00,523
But yeah, we were
right underneath the bow. It was great.
942
00:56:00,524 --> 00:56:04,568
We saw-- Definitely there is
a wreck down there. It's big.
943
00:56:04,569 --> 00:56:06,612
[Lochridge] The passengers were hugging.
944
00:56:06,613 --> 00:56:12,452
But with Stockton,
it was a complete turnaround for me.
945
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,121
[photographer] On three! One, two...
946
00:56:16,122 --> 00:56:18,792
[Lochridge] He never really spoke to me
the rest of the trip.
947
00:56:22,336 --> 00:56:23,672
The dynamic changed.
948
00:56:31,387 --> 00:56:33,097
[Lochridge] After the Andrea Doria,
949
00:56:33,765 --> 00:56:37,100
I started getting cut out
by senior management
950
00:56:37,101 --> 00:56:39,311
from the Titan project.
951
00:56:39,312 --> 00:56:42,022
I was dropped
from all email communications,
952
00:56:42,023 --> 00:56:43,608
verbal communications.
953
00:56:44,651 --> 00:56:47,277
I was totally out of the loop.
But at the same time,
954
00:56:47,278 --> 00:56:50,280
I am the chief pilot.
I was the Director of Marine Ops.
955
00:56:50,281 --> 00:56:53,910
It was going to be me that was
going to be doing all these dives.
956
00:56:54,703 --> 00:56:58,498
Obviously in my head, I'm like,
"This isn't right. It's not right."
957
00:56:59,833 --> 00:57:01,543
Being me, very vocal,
958
00:57:02,168 --> 00:57:05,588
I spoke to some of the board of directors
when they came in.
959
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:08,298
I would speak to Stockton
on a regular basis.
960
00:57:08,299 --> 00:57:10,676
Chief Operating Officer, Stockton's wife.
961
00:57:10,677 --> 00:57:13,762
All these people
that basically ran this company.
962
00:57:13,763 --> 00:57:17,642
And I would speak to them
and express my concerns.
963
00:57:19,352 --> 00:57:22,938
And because it didn't just
come in as a ready-built sub,
964
00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:25,232
I was seeing every single piece.
965
00:57:25,233 --> 00:57:27,902
And pretty much
every single piece had an issue.
966
00:57:28,612 --> 00:57:31,113
[whirring]
967
00:57:31,114 --> 00:57:35,868
[Rush] Today is the critical joining
of the titanium and the carbon fiber.
968
00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:40,707
{\an8}That seal needs to be uniform
and small, but not too small.
969
00:57:43,251 --> 00:57:45,378
This is the point of no return right here.
970
00:57:46,379 --> 00:57:47,880
[shutter clicks]
971
00:57:47,881 --> 00:57:50,423
[Lochridge] The engineering director,
Tony Nissen,
972
00:57:50,424 --> 00:57:52,969
we used to argue on a regular basis.
973
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,140
Level. Do a good cleaning.
Check the surface out.
974
00:57:58,016 --> 00:58:01,810
[Lochridge] He brought in people
that had very little experience
975
00:58:01,811 --> 00:58:04,146
from the manned submersible industry.
976
00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:06,650
A lot of them were fresh out of college.
977
00:58:08,151 --> 00:58:10,318
[reporter 6] Mark Walsh
is lead electrical engineer
978
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:13,739
and a recent grad
of WSU Engineering School in Everett.
979
00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:16,159
24-year-old Nicholas Nelson is too.
980
00:58:16,868 --> 00:58:20,621
[Nelson] Just knowing that we're sending
something down to 4,000 meters,
981
00:58:20,622 --> 00:58:25,794
and it's our design that's being
brought there is just amazing.
982
00:58:26,503 --> 00:58:29,087
[Nissen] For a while,
David would come to me and...
983
00:58:29,088 --> 00:58:30,839
I kind of want to use the word complain,
984
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,554
but really, it's David's way
of expressing his concern.
985
00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:41,809
[Lochridge] At the time,
I had no experience of carbon fiber,
986
00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:45,564
but for the untrained eye,
it was like Swiss cheese.
987
00:58:49,442 --> 00:58:51,985
You could actually see the porosity,
988
00:58:51,986 --> 00:58:54,864
you could see the delaminations,
you could see all the voids.
989
00:58:55,448 --> 00:58:58,826
When they eventually sealed up
the titanium interface rings,
990
00:58:58,827 --> 00:59:01,036
they took it out
into the car park at Everett
991
00:59:01,037 --> 00:59:03,164
and sprayed it with truck bed liner.
992
00:59:04,874 --> 00:59:08,210
[Nissen] Stockton was annoyed
if somebody just questioned
993
00:59:08,211 --> 00:59:10,129
the idea of what we were doing.
994
00:59:10,839 --> 00:59:12,632
He very much took that personally.
995
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:16,509
[anchor 8] An Everett-based company
just finished building a submarine
996
00:59:16,510 --> 00:59:19,097
that they'll take
to the Titanic this summer.
997
00:59:20,306 --> 00:59:21,514
So this is a laser scanner.
998
00:59:21,515 --> 00:59:23,516
[reporter 6] OceanGate
Engineering Director, Tony Nissen,
999
00:59:23,517 --> 00:59:25,686
is showing off
some of the high-tech equipment
1000
00:59:25,687 --> 00:59:30,440
he and his team are about to install
on their newest five-person sub, Titan.
1001
00:59:30,441 --> 00:59:32,986
New cameras will capture 4K resolution.
1002
00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:36,154
[Lochridge] As these components were
actually getting put together,
1003
00:59:36,155 --> 00:59:39,282
I was the only person
to stand up to them and say,
1004
00:59:39,283 --> 00:59:41,952
"You have to get this thing inspected.
1005
00:59:41,953 --> 00:59:43,954
We have to get
the third-party inspectors in."
1006
00:59:43,955 --> 00:59:47,082
"Are you getting them in?" "We're
dealing with it, we're dealing with it."
1007
00:59:47,083 --> 00:59:50,210
I was just, I was fobbed off
on every occasion.
1008
00:59:50,211 --> 00:59:51,545
It brings a tear to my eye.
1009
00:59:53,339 --> 00:59:54,799
It took a lot of pain to get here.
1010
00:59:55,634 --> 00:59:59,178
[chuckles] I'd say it was a lot of pain
to get here. We did this extremely fast.
1011
01:00:01,765 --> 01:00:04,767
[McCallum] We were at lunch one day
at OceanGate,
1012
01:00:04,768 --> 01:00:07,060
and Stockton said that he decided
1013
01:00:07,061 --> 01:00:11,149
that he saw no need for classification,
for third-party oversight.
1014
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,985
[interviewer] How'd that go over at lunch?
1015
01:00:16,154 --> 01:00:19,156
[McCallum] I stood up, and I said, "Sorry,
I can't be part of this conversation,
1016
01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:24,120
nor can I be associated with OceanGate
or this vehicle in any way." And I left.
1017
01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:29,750
He had every contact
in the submersible industry
1018
01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:31,878
telling him not to do this.
1019
01:00:32,586 --> 01:00:36,674
But once you start down the path
of doing it entirely yourself,
1020
01:00:36,675 --> 01:00:40,343
and you realize you've taken the wrong
turn right back at the beginning,
1021
01:00:40,344 --> 01:00:42,012
particularly for Stockton,
1022
01:00:42,013 --> 01:00:44,223
then you have to admit
that you were wrong...
1023
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:47,435
That's a big pill to swallow.
1024
01:00:48,019 --> 01:00:49,688
[Rush on radio]
Ready to rock and roll.
1025
01:00:50,188 --> 01:00:53,107
[air hisses]
1026
01:00:54,901 --> 01:00:56,401
[Lochridge] They said to me,
1027
01:00:56,402 --> 01:00:59,404
"This is getting handed off to you
in the coming weeks."
1028
01:00:59,405 --> 01:01:04,285
I'm like, "Guys, I've already said,
we're not diving this."
1029
01:01:04,911 --> 01:01:08,873
- [glass shatters]
- [cheering]
1030
01:01:10,208 --> 01:01:11,709
[Lochridge] So Stockton said to me,
1031
01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:17,506
"Okay, I want you to go out there
and carry out an inspection of the Titan."
1032
01:01:26,224 --> 01:01:28,685
[Lochridge] Over
a number of days, I did tests.
1033
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:32,731
I took photographs.
1034
01:01:38,945 --> 01:01:42,990
From there, drafted
what I thought was a very nice email
1035
01:01:42,991 --> 01:01:46,744
stating, at the end of the day,
the responsibility lies with me.
1036
01:01:46,745 --> 01:01:50,123
And I sent that out on January the 18th.
1037
01:01:54,711 --> 01:01:59,048
The following morning, I get an email.
We're going to be holding a meeting.
1038
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,302
{\an8}It was myself.
It was Bonnie Carl, the HR Director.
1039
01:02:04,303 --> 01:02:07,347
{\an8}Scott Griffith,
Quality Assurance Director.
1040
01:02:07,348 --> 01:02:10,017
{\an8}I had Stockton Rush, the CEO.
1041
01:02:10,018 --> 01:02:11,936
{\an8}And Tony Nissen.
1042
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,489
[Rush on recording]
1043
01:02:24,866 --> 01:02:26,074
- [Rush]
- [Carl, Lochridge]
1044
01:02:26,075 --> 01:02:27,786
[Rush]
1045
01:02:36,085 --> 01:02:37,085
[Lochridge interjects]
1046
01:02:37,086 --> 01:02:38,296
[Lochridge] I'm not naive.
1047
01:02:39,713 --> 01:02:41,299
I could sense the mood.
1048
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:43,802
[Rush on recording]
1049
01:02:48,306 --> 01:02:49,140
[Lochridge hesitates]
1050
01:02:54,979 --> 01:02:58,606
[Lochridge] I could tell
in Stockton's voice, he was nervous.
1051
01:02:58,607 --> 01:03:00,902
He was shaking. I could see his hands.
1052
01:03:03,529 --> 01:03:04,780
He was angry.
1053
01:03:04,781 --> 01:03:07,825
He was so angry.
1054
01:03:07,826 --> 01:03:11,871
It's not the most angry
I've seen him, or heard! [chuckles]
1055
01:03:12,371 --> 01:03:15,291
But... that day was pretty bad.
1056
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:17,919
[Rush on recording]
1057
01:03:25,426 --> 01:03:26,260
[Lochridge]
1058
01:03:27,178 --> 01:03:28,304
[Rush]
1059
01:03:28,930 --> 01:03:31,390
[Lochridge]
1060
01:03:32,558 --> 01:03:33,391
[Rush]
1061
01:03:33,392 --> 01:03:35,393
[Lochridge]
1062
01:03:35,394 --> 01:03:37,563
- [Rush]
- [Lochridge]
1063
01:03:44,946 --> 01:03:45,821
[Lochridge]
1064
01:03:45,822 --> 01:03:46,865
[Rush]
1065
01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:03,922
Why test something with people in it?
1066
01:04:03,923 --> 01:04:05,465
I don't understand that.
1067
01:04:05,466 --> 01:04:07,844
To me, it was just sheer arrogance.
1068
01:04:08,261 --> 01:04:10,679
[Rush on recording]
1069
01:04:33,786 --> 01:04:35,412
I didn't know what to say,
1070
01:04:35,413 --> 01:04:37,789
but I was blown away
1071
01:04:37,790 --> 01:04:40,668
that at this point they were willing
to play Russian roulette.
1072
01:04:42,253 --> 01:04:44,297
[Carl on recording]
1073
01:04:47,926 --> 01:04:49,677
[Lochridge]
1074
01:05:10,656 --> 01:05:12,325
[Rush]
1075
01:05:13,076 --> 01:05:14,743
[Lochridge]
1076
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,497
[Rush]
1077
01:05:19,623 --> 01:05:22,835
[Nissen] I feel bad for David.
I really do. It shouldn't have happened.
1078
01:05:24,045 --> 01:05:26,005
That day Stockton told me
1079
01:05:26,505 --> 01:05:29,717
it would be nothing for him
to spend $50,000 to ruin somebody's life.
1080
01:05:32,428 --> 01:05:34,179
[interviewer] Did he say that to you
in regards to David?
1081
01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:35,098
Yeah.
1082
01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:41,312
That changed my life in that company.
1083
01:05:42,688 --> 01:05:45,733
Changed how I had to manage
the engineering department.
1084
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:48,861
I had to make sure that nobody spoke up.
1085
01:05:50,404 --> 01:05:55,450
I worked for somebody that is
probably borderline clinical psychopath,
1086
01:05:55,451 --> 01:05:56,909
but definitely a narcissist.
1087
01:05:56,910 --> 01:05:59,497
How do you manage a person like that
who owns the company?
1088
01:06:04,168 --> 01:06:07,588
{\an8}[Carl] I knew at that moment
I couldn't work at that company anymore.
1089
01:06:08,589 --> 01:06:11,008
{\an8}I went home
and updated my LinkedIn profile,
1090
01:06:11,009 --> 01:06:14,302
and obviously I didn't say anything
to Stockton or Neil at that point.
1091
01:06:14,303 --> 01:06:16,804
And Stockton went along as though,
1092
01:06:16,805 --> 01:06:20,976
"Okay, now Bonnie is going to be
our next lead pilot,
1093
01:06:20,977 --> 01:06:22,810
and this is going to be great."
1094
01:06:22,811 --> 01:06:28,276
"We're going to have a female lead pilot.
This is going to play well to the media."
1095
01:06:28,859 --> 01:06:30,527
And I just remember thinking,
1096
01:06:30,528 --> 01:06:34,615
"What is happening? Are you nuts?
I'm an accountant."
1097
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:39,370
{\an8}I decided to leave.
1098
01:06:41,164 --> 01:06:43,666
I don't think I said
two words to Stockton,
1099
01:06:44,417 --> 01:06:45,918
and that's where I left it at.
1100
01:06:51,132 --> 01:06:54,760
[Hammermeister] I had stuck with
the company for over a year as an intern.
1101
01:06:55,469 --> 01:06:57,470
Near the end of my senior year
of university,
1102
01:06:57,471 --> 01:06:58,805
they sent me to the Bahamas.
1103
01:06:58,806 --> 01:07:01,392
[rousing music playing]
1104
01:07:16,032 --> 01:07:18,117
[Hammermeister]
Titan was down there in testing.
1105
01:07:18,617 --> 01:07:20,702
[man over radio] Max. Do you copy?
1106
01:07:20,703 --> 01:07:21,828
[Max] Go ahead.
1107
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:23,413
[music fades]
1108
01:07:23,414 --> 01:07:26,166
That was kind of like, "All right,
you can help work on this stuff,
1109
01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:29,086
and if it's something
that works out for both of us,
1110
01:07:29,087 --> 01:07:31,464
then we can take you on full-time
and give you a job offer."
1111
01:07:37,095 --> 01:07:38,887
It was my first work trip.
1112
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:49,690
{\an8}[thunder rumbles]
1113
01:08:06,624 --> 01:08:09,168
[man with clipboard] So we've got dive 39.
1114
01:08:09,793 --> 01:08:12,463
Objective of a 4,200-meter depth.
1115
01:08:13,256 --> 01:08:15,882
We've got a long day ahead of us,
1116
01:08:15,883 --> 01:08:19,220
so we're going to be
starting operations tonight.
1117
01:08:20,429 --> 01:08:24,142
The game plan is
to start vessel prep at 3 a.m.
1118
01:08:30,523 --> 01:08:34,568
[Hammermeister] At the beginning, Stockton
did the dives by himself in Titan.
1119
01:08:35,569 --> 01:08:36,487
[Rush] Okay.
1120
01:08:37,196 --> 01:08:39,781
I've got the recorder on.
Voice recorder is on.
1121
01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:43,826
It is 3:55 a.m.
1122
01:08:43,827 --> 01:08:47,165
in sunny Marsh Harbor.
1123
01:08:54,213 --> 01:08:56,299
[water burbling]
1124
01:08:57,133 --> 01:08:59,593
[electronic whirring]
1125
01:09:12,856 --> 01:09:16,818
[Hammermeister] He had said it was loud,
but he had said that's what we expected.
1126
01:09:16,819 --> 01:09:20,112
That's the carbon fiber "seasoning."
1127
01:09:20,113 --> 01:09:23,742
I've never heard of seasoning a hull.
1128
01:09:26,078 --> 01:09:28,663
Okay. You get quite a bit of noise.
1129
01:09:28,664 --> 01:09:30,707
I've got that on the microphone.
1130
01:09:30,708 --> 01:09:35,128
Uh, quite... attention-getting pops.
1131
01:09:46,139 --> 01:09:47,890
[loud pop, crackling]
1132
01:09:47,891 --> 01:09:49,809
[Rush] Man, what the fuck!
1133
01:09:49,810 --> 01:09:50,727
[pop]
1134
01:09:50,728 --> 01:09:52,813
As long as it doesn't crack, I'm okay.
1135
01:09:53,772 --> 01:09:56,649
[cracking, popping noises]
1136
01:09:56,650 --> 01:09:58,361
That'll get your attention.
1137
01:10:00,904 --> 01:10:02,740
That will get your attention. [sighs]
1138
01:10:04,783 --> 01:10:06,951
Stockton wanted
one acoustic sensor on there.
1139
01:10:06,952 --> 01:10:09,329
I put 18 strain gauges
and nine acoustic sensors.
1140
01:10:09,330 --> 01:10:11,039
He was angry that I did that.
1141
01:10:11,624 --> 01:10:15,793
He was more afraid of being lost at sea,
1142
01:10:15,794 --> 01:10:20,047
sitting on the surface than he was
of the vehicle imploding.
1143
01:10:20,048 --> 01:10:21,800
[popping]
1144
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,554
[Rush] Unbelievable.
3,938 meters, Dana.
1145
01:10:26,054 --> 01:10:27,097
Ah...
1146
01:10:27,973 --> 01:10:33,645
- [cracking noises]
- [Rush exhales]
1147
01:10:33,646 --> 01:10:36,690
- [loud pops]
- Close enough.
1148
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:46,575
[screws grinding]
1149
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:49,911
Titan, your bolts are out.
You can pressurize now.
1150
01:10:49,912 --> 01:10:51,079
[Rush] Copy that. Will do.
1151
01:10:52,665 --> 01:10:54,206
[buzzing]
1152
01:10:54,207 --> 01:10:56,000
[man] Ohh.
1153
01:10:56,001 --> 01:10:57,545
[Rush] A little bit of water for you!
1154
01:10:58,671 --> 01:10:59,504
Hey.
1155
01:10:59,505 --> 01:11:01,589
- [cheering]
- [man in helmet] Welcome back.
1156
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:03,050
[man, shouting] Four thousand meters!
1157
01:11:03,967 --> 01:11:08,054
That's right, 17.3 hours, another record.
1158
01:11:08,055 --> 01:11:09,013
[laughing]
1159
01:11:09,014 --> 01:11:10,682
I think James Cameron
is the only other person
1160
01:11:10,683 --> 01:11:12,476
to be in the sub
that long alone as well.
1161
01:11:13,561 --> 01:11:15,478
Amazing accomplishment, everybody.
1162
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,188
Let's celebrate.
1163
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:19,817
- [whooping]
- [applause]
1164
01:11:21,652 --> 01:11:23,737
Okay. Yeah!
1165
01:11:26,699 --> 01:11:28,866
The funny thing is this was mission 39.
1166
01:11:28,867 --> 01:11:31,745
The depth I got on the camera, 3,939.
1167
01:11:32,245 --> 01:11:33,705
I did it on purpose just for that.
1168
01:11:33,706 --> 01:11:35,707
I could have easily gone to four, but why?
1169
01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:39,627
Anybody who doesn't call
3,939 four... is an ass.
1170
01:11:39,628 --> 01:11:42,505
It violates the NAR,
and then we don't care.
1171
01:11:42,506 --> 01:11:45,257
It's like, "That's not good enough
for you? Fuck you."
1172
01:11:45,258 --> 01:11:46,926
[camera operator] Could you go ahead
and scratch that for the camera,
1173
01:11:46,927 --> 01:11:48,345
and say you did go to 4,000?
1174
01:11:48,346 --> 01:11:49,721
[Rush] That's right.
1175
01:11:49,722 --> 01:11:51,180
You're going to edit this out.
1176
01:11:51,181 --> 01:11:52,683
4,039, yeah.
1177
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:57,563
Yeah, yeah. Unload them all in there.
1178
01:11:58,481 --> 01:11:59,314
Okay.
1179
01:11:59,315 --> 01:12:01,941
[Nissen] We were looking at the data,
and I told Stockton,
1180
01:12:01,942 --> 01:12:05,695
I said, "Look, we don't know
what good looks like."
1181
01:12:05,696 --> 01:12:07,990
"What I do know is
it shouldn't look like that."
1182
01:12:23,839 --> 01:12:25,466
{\an8}[pops]
1183
01:12:25,966 --> 01:12:28,510
{\an8}[cracks]
1184
01:12:28,511 --> 01:12:29,470
{\an8}[loud pop]
1185
01:12:32,723 --> 01:12:33,807
{\an8}[Nissen] If you're hearing,
1186
01:12:34,517 --> 01:12:38,687
{\an8}or your acoustic monitoring system
is showing you spikes,
1187
01:12:40,063 --> 01:12:41,565
it's still breaking.
1188
01:12:43,025 --> 01:12:48,279
You don't want to hear that anymore,
because if it's not breaking, it's intact.
1189
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:49,822
- Congratulations, man.
- Thank you.
1190
01:12:49,823 --> 01:12:51,575
- Awesome.
- [chuckles]
1191
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:55,120
[interviewer] Do you think
that Stockton understood the risks?
1192
01:12:55,829 --> 01:12:56,830
[Nissen] No.
1193
01:12:57,915 --> 01:12:58,916
He didn't.
1194
01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:02,710
Allegedly, he's a degreed
aerospace engineer,
1195
01:13:02,711 --> 01:13:07,758
but there are scientific principles
he wholly didn't understand.
1196
01:13:13,055 --> 01:13:15,516
[Nissen] 2019 was going to be
the first Titanic mission.
1197
01:13:16,016 --> 01:13:18,351
He was angry I wouldn't sign off on it.
1198
01:13:19,061 --> 01:13:21,979
"You need another dive.
We need a clean dive out of this."
1199
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:25,943
[wind whooshing]
1200
01:13:27,069 --> 01:13:29,071
[indistinct chatter]
1201
01:13:30,155 --> 01:13:32,865
[Harris] The Bahamas testing process
went on for months.
1202
01:13:32,866 --> 01:13:34,326
[Rush] All right, Mark, let it go.
1203
01:13:36,995 --> 01:13:37,830
Again.
1204
01:13:41,917 --> 01:13:42,959
Again.
1205
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,544
[Harris] It was a bit of a chaos,
to be honest.
1206
01:13:44,545 --> 01:13:47,254
There were a lot of problems
with the electrical systems,
1207
01:13:47,255 --> 01:13:49,132
um, which needed replacing.
1208
01:13:52,636 --> 01:13:54,472
Okay, we're good. Lock me up.
1209
01:13:55,431 --> 01:13:58,641
[Harris] And at that point, they'd already
had some really serious concerns
1210
01:13:58,642 --> 01:14:02,062
about what was going on with that hull,
the noises it was making.
1211
01:14:03,689 --> 01:14:05,147
Looking good, hold that line.
1212
01:14:05,148 --> 01:14:06,442
Hold that line.
1213
01:14:08,694 --> 01:14:10,738
- Okay, a little bit to starboard.
- [radio chatter]
1214
01:14:11,404 --> 01:14:14,031
[Harris] It took four months
from Stockton's solo dive
1215
01:14:14,032 --> 01:14:16,619
for them to dive the Titan
again to a deep test.
1216
01:14:19,371 --> 01:14:20,705
On board that day
1217
01:14:20,706 --> 01:14:23,416
was another submersible expert,
Karl Stanley.
1218
01:14:25,418 --> 01:14:26,794
He had built his own submarine.
1219
01:14:26,795 --> 01:14:29,213
He was operating it for tourism
down in Honduras.
1220
01:14:29,214 --> 01:14:32,425
And Stockton was proud
and wanted to show off the Titan.
1221
01:14:33,677 --> 01:14:37,847
{\an8}[Stanley] My relationship with Stockton
goes back at least ten,
1222
01:14:37,848 --> 01:14:39,849
possibly up to 15 years.
1223
01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:43,728
When I learned that he was making
a carbon fiber sub,
1224
01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:45,063
I was excited about it.
1225
01:14:45,648 --> 01:14:48,941
I went out to Washington
and I gave him a week of free labor,
1226
01:14:48,942 --> 01:14:52,570
working on the first version
of the launch and recovery vehicle
1227
01:14:52,571 --> 01:14:57,117
with the understanding that one day,
somewhere, that I was going to get a ride.
1228
01:15:00,370 --> 01:15:03,040
{\an8}We dove over 12,000 feet.
1229
01:15:03,624 --> 01:15:05,167
[Stanley] Forty to the bottom.
1230
01:15:05,709 --> 01:15:07,335
- [Rush] Forty meters to the bottom?
- [Stanley] Forty meters.
1231
01:15:08,629 --> 01:15:12,298
- I do not have visual.
- [cracking]
1232
01:15:12,299 --> 01:15:15,886
[Stanley] The cracking sounds
would amplify when you got deeper.
1233
01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:28,272
{\an8}[multiple cracking echoes]
1234
01:15:28,273 --> 01:15:33,028
[cracking getting louder]
1235
01:15:34,112 --> 01:15:36,113
[male investigator] So after you came up
from the dive,
1236
01:15:36,114 --> 01:15:37,990
did you partake in any meeting
1237
01:15:37,991 --> 01:15:42,745
where the results of the real-time
monitoring acoustic sensors
1238
01:15:42,746 --> 01:15:45,122
were examined by the group
1239
01:15:45,123 --> 01:15:48,334
and tried to isolate
where the sound occurred?
1240
01:15:48,335 --> 01:15:50,837
That information was not shared with me.
1241
01:15:50,838 --> 01:15:54,256
He didn't think much of our...
He didn't have me sign a waiver,
1242
01:15:54,257 --> 01:15:56,300
never gave me a spiel about
1243
01:15:56,301 --> 01:16:00,137
how "everything's transparent
and please ask any questions."
1244
01:16:00,138 --> 01:16:02,390
It was just like, "You're here, let's go."
1245
01:16:03,308 --> 01:16:05,852
Welcome, gentlemen. How are you doing?
1246
01:16:05,853 --> 01:16:06,895
[Rush] Hey!
1247
01:16:08,981 --> 01:16:13,401
[Harris] After the dive,
Karl and Stockton exchanged emails.
1248
01:16:16,488 --> 01:16:18,698
[male investigator] You say,
"The sounds we observed yesterday
1249
01:16:18,699 --> 01:16:22,076
do not seem consistent
with glue joints breaking,
1250
01:16:22,077 --> 01:16:23,620
air cavities breaking."
1251
01:16:23,621 --> 01:16:27,457
"The only question in my mind is
if it will fail catastrophically."
1252
01:16:28,541 --> 01:16:30,459
At any point within those emails,
1253
01:16:30,460 --> 01:16:33,672
were you made aware that a crack
was identified in the hull?
1254
01:16:40,512 --> 01:16:42,805
[Hammermeister] I had tickets
to St. John's.
1255
01:16:42,806 --> 01:16:44,766
I was going to be
a part of the topside team.
1256
01:16:44,767 --> 01:16:48,895
We were planning out a lot.
We had mobilized and shipped containers.
1257
01:16:48,896 --> 01:16:52,232
And then one of our pilots
found a crack in the sub.
1258
01:16:54,777 --> 01:16:55,736
[man] Okay, go ahead.
1259
01:16:57,404 --> 01:17:00,698
Go in with the needle nose another inch.
Okay. Right there.
1260
01:17:00,699 --> 01:17:02,034
- [man 2] Right there?
- [man] Right there.
1261
01:17:02,910 --> 01:17:03,744
Yeah.
1262
01:17:04,662 --> 01:17:05,537
Do it again.
1263
01:17:06,538 --> 01:17:09,540
I can see, not the paint moving,
1264
01:17:09,541 --> 01:17:12,418
but I see black hull moving in and out.
1265
01:17:12,419 --> 01:17:14,378
- [man 2] The black moving?
- [man] Yeah.
1266
01:17:14,379 --> 01:17:15,630
[man 2] Yeah.
1267
01:17:15,631 --> 01:17:18,049
[Hammermeister] They brought everything
back from the Bahamas,
1268
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:21,761
and they ended up having
some of the engineering team
1269
01:17:21,762 --> 01:17:25,641
grind out the carbon fiber hull
to see how deep in the crack went.
1270
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:34,857
That was not public knowledge,
1271
01:17:34,858 --> 01:17:36,985
they said,
"Do not say anything to anyone."
1272
01:17:41,573 --> 01:17:45,117
[Nissen] After I got back
from the Bahamas
1273
01:17:45,118 --> 01:17:50,540
and cutting out a lot of the crack,
Stockton asked me to go to lunch.
1274
01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:55,670
He told me that two people on the board
1275
01:17:55,671 --> 01:18:00,425
told him that I should have known
that this problem was there.
1276
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:05,180
And I told Stockton, "I did know,
and I told you it was there."
1277
01:18:05,764 --> 01:18:09,434
"And in fact, I wrote a report
that showed that it was there."
1278
01:18:12,688 --> 01:18:16,066
And Stockton said,
"Well, one of us has to go.
1279
01:18:16,942 --> 01:18:18,485
And it's not going to be me."
1280
01:18:19,652 --> 01:18:20,653
Okay.
1281
01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:30,330
{\an8}[Hammermeister] A few engineering folks
were fired.
1282
01:18:30,831 --> 01:18:31,956
{\an8}I was very surprised.
1283
01:18:31,957 --> 01:18:36,461
{\an8}We had a meeting six days
before my flight to St. John's.
1284
01:18:36,962 --> 01:18:40,090
Coincidentally,
the boat canceled as well.
1285
01:18:42,509 --> 01:18:45,888
To the public, Stockton said,
"Obviously we need a topside vessel."
1286
01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:48,265
And they said, "Yeah, we're not going."
1287
01:18:49,599 --> 01:18:52,101
And then it was later
brought out to the public,
1288
01:18:52,102 --> 01:18:53,853
you know, "We're going to redo this hull."
1289
01:18:53,854 --> 01:18:58,859
And I don't think it was ever
quite explicitly said why.
1290
01:19:00,277 --> 01:19:02,404
I was like, "I should just quit."
1291
01:19:07,868 --> 01:19:10,954
[Nissen] I wasn't going to fight him.
I wasn't going to go to the board.
1292
01:19:11,997 --> 01:19:18,128
Because Stockton stated clearly
how he likes to ruin a life. [chuckles]
1293
01:19:19,587 --> 01:19:23,050
[gulls calling]
1294
01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:27,554
[Paul McDevitt on recording] Uh, okay.
1295
01:19:42,652 --> 01:19:46,865
[McDevitt] Mr. Lochridge
contacted our office in 2018.
1296
01:19:48,283 --> 01:19:52,162
{\an8}Initially, you know, I thought his case
seemed like it was pretty strong.
1297
01:19:53,663 --> 01:19:55,290
{\an8}[Lochridge on recording]
1298
01:20:12,975 --> 01:20:16,561
[Lochridge] Within days of that happening,
OceanGate were informed.
1299
01:20:17,062 --> 01:20:19,355
I was enrolled under
the Whistleblower Protection Scheme.
1300
01:20:19,356 --> 01:20:21,774
I was told that I would be protected.
1301
01:20:23,902 --> 01:20:25,527
{\an8}[McDevitt] OceanGate did respond.
1302
01:20:25,528 --> 01:20:29,241
They filed a lawsuit
against Mr. Lochridge.
1303
01:20:30,868 --> 01:20:33,494
It was, "We're coming after you,
your wife,
1304
01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:36,248
your house, your green card..."
everything.
1305
01:20:36,832 --> 01:20:39,877
I mean, it was a crusade.
"How dare you stand up against me?"
1306
01:20:41,086 --> 01:20:43,171
Wankers. That's on camera.
1307
01:20:44,422 --> 01:20:46,049
"Wankers" a good word over here?
1308
01:20:47,885 --> 01:20:51,303
[interviewer] It's the Whistleblower
Protection Program, right?
1309
01:20:51,304 --> 01:20:56,683
[McDevitt] Unfortunately, whistleblowers,
they're not protected from retaliation.
1310
01:20:56,684 --> 01:20:59,854
We're not like the, you know,
Witness Protection Program
1311
01:20:59,855 --> 01:21:00,897
or something like that.
1312
01:21:00,898 --> 01:21:02,900
We, you know, what we do is investigate.
1313
01:21:06,403 --> 01:21:08,779
[Lochridge] The intent was
to shut us down.
1314
01:21:08,780 --> 01:21:13,034
Basically, keep me quiet
so they could proceed with the project,
1315
01:21:13,035 --> 01:21:15,745
get out to Titanic,
and take people out there.
1316
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,636
[female investigator] This next set
of questions, when I say Titan hull,
1317
01:21:32,637 --> 01:21:36,182
I am specifically talking about
the second Titan hull.
1318
01:21:36,183 --> 01:21:37,141
[man] Okay.
1319
01:21:37,142 --> 01:21:39,937
[female investigator] Can you describe
the third scale model testing?
1320
01:21:40,437 --> 01:21:43,730
{\an8}I don't have those tests in front of me.
1321
01:21:43,731 --> 01:21:47,694
{\an8}I didn't get them.
But I know that it failed.
1322
01:21:48,445 --> 01:21:52,782
So we knew that we had to do something
different because it wasn't working.
1323
01:21:57,620 --> 01:22:00,832
[Hammermeister] After the crack happened,
I wanted to quit.
1324
01:22:02,375 --> 01:22:04,126
That's when they were like,
"You know what,
1325
01:22:04,127 --> 01:22:07,214
we're going to remake the hull
for Titan in a better way."
1326
01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:13,595
And I was like, "Okay, they're doing
the right thing. I can stay."
1327
01:22:18,516 --> 01:22:21,268
[Harris] There was a lot of pressure
when this first hull failed.
1328
01:22:21,269 --> 01:22:22,603
They suddenly realized,
1329
01:22:22,604 --> 01:22:25,481
"Not only can we not get
revenue coming in this year.
1330
01:22:25,482 --> 01:22:28,986
We now have to replace either that hull
or the whole vessel."
1331
01:22:29,486 --> 01:22:32,154
Hundreds of thousands of dollars,
you know, millions of dollars
1332
01:22:32,155 --> 01:22:34,449
by the time you put in
people's time and effort.
1333
01:22:37,327 --> 01:22:38,744
[Hammermeister] Right before the new year,
1334
01:22:38,745 --> 01:22:42,664
Stockton and the new engineering head
that they had brought on
1335
01:22:42,665 --> 01:22:45,542
offered me a position
as a project manager,
1336
01:22:45,543 --> 01:22:49,339
to help out with the timeline management
of the new hull.
1337
01:22:50,882 --> 01:22:53,217
They also said, "We want to train you
as a submersible pilot.
1338
01:22:53,218 --> 01:22:56,304
We want to bring you full-time
onto the operations team."
1339
01:22:58,181 --> 01:23:02,226
Stockton, he had said, you know,
"We want you to be a female, young pilot.
1340
01:23:02,227 --> 01:23:04,146
We want you to be
the face of the company."
1341
01:23:04,896 --> 01:23:07,774
He says he doesn't want
a 60-year-old man or something.
1342
01:23:08,483 --> 01:23:11,028
When I asked for a raise,
"They said, no, this is lateral."
1343
01:23:12,904 --> 01:23:17,199
And then, because I think that you might
ask me again why I stayed...
1344
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:18,534
[interviewer] Yes, I will.
1345
01:23:18,535 --> 01:23:20,161
It was COVID. [chuckles]
1346
01:23:20,162 --> 01:23:22,579
And was watching all my friends
throughout the pandemic
1347
01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:23,872
get laid off everywhere.
1348
01:23:23,873 --> 01:23:25,875
And I was like, "Okay,
if I have a job, cling on to it."
1349
01:23:29,837 --> 01:23:30,921
[Harris] Money got tight.
1350
01:23:30,922 --> 01:23:33,757
He realized suddenly we're looking
at probably a two-year runway
1351
01:23:33,758 --> 01:23:35,302
before you can dive again.
1352
01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:38,346
Stockton downsizes the engineering team.
1353
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:46,688
There were not a lot of big meetings
regarding the build of the new hull.
1354
01:23:47,314 --> 01:23:50,732
It was oftentimes the head of engineering,
1355
01:23:50,733 --> 01:23:53,611
the COO, and Stockton, and myself.
1356
01:23:54,946 --> 01:23:57,989
They were working with
a lot of different carbon fiber vendors.
1357
01:23:57,990 --> 01:24:00,409
And the group that they hired to make it,
1358
01:24:00,410 --> 01:24:03,079
they were carbon fiber industry experts.
1359
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,832
But they had not ever
made a submersible before.
1360
01:24:08,876 --> 01:24:13,005
The third scale model was built
and then tested in July of 2020.
1361
01:24:13,506 --> 01:24:15,550
It failed at 3,000 meters.
1362
01:24:24,517 --> 01:24:28,604
And that was pretty disheartening,
I think, for the team.
1363
01:24:28,605 --> 01:24:31,066
But then for me,
it was kind of the response to that.
1364
01:24:32,109 --> 01:24:35,736
[female investigator] So to confirm, there
was no successful third scale model test
1365
01:24:35,737 --> 01:24:39,115
to Titanic depth prior to
going to this full scale hull.
1366
01:24:39,116 --> 01:24:40,825
That's correct. That's correct.
1367
01:24:46,914 --> 01:24:49,000
[Hammermeister] They started
on the full-size hull.
1368
01:24:51,544 --> 01:24:53,879
[interviewer] Were you able to talk
to anyone about it?
1369
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:54,839
[Hammermeister] Yeah.
1370
01:24:55,715 --> 01:24:57,007
I did speak up.
1371
01:24:57,008 --> 01:24:58,092
A lot of people did.
1372
01:24:58,093 --> 01:25:01,303
Like, they discussed their concerns.
They're like, "What do you mean?"
1373
01:25:01,304 --> 01:25:03,306
Like, "This failed.
You're going to keep going?"
1374
01:25:06,893 --> 01:25:10,146
Stockton was just so set on
getting to the Titanic
1375
01:25:10,147 --> 01:25:13,525
that nothing that anybody said
made much of a difference.
1376
01:25:14,734 --> 01:25:18,445
And I was not going to bolt anyone
inside of that sub.
1377
01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:21,740
And that was something that a lot of
my coworkers at the time agreed on,
1378
01:25:21,741 --> 01:25:24,869
and none of which stayed
with the company much longer.
1379
01:25:26,246 --> 01:25:29,291
They said, you know,
"You either stick with us or you don't."
1380
01:25:31,334 --> 01:25:34,045
And I said, "Okay.
I'm putting in my two weeks."
1381
01:25:36,589 --> 01:25:39,383
[interviewer] Did you track
what was happening after you left?
1382
01:25:39,384 --> 01:25:40,385
With the new hull?
1383
01:25:42,929 --> 01:25:45,473
Yeah. As best I could.
1384
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,894
I was just hoping
they weren't going to go.
1385
01:25:56,901 --> 01:25:58,194
{\an8}[David Pogue] To this day,
1386
01:25:58,195 --> 01:26:00,529
{\an8}we, the journalists don't know
1387
01:26:00,530 --> 01:26:04,826
how much we were misled
by whatever Stockton told us.
1388
01:26:07,287 --> 01:26:09,788
{\an8}I'm a correspondent
for CBS Sunday Morning,
1389
01:26:09,789 --> 01:26:11,332
{\an8}and one day I got an email
1390
01:26:11,333 --> 01:26:16,338
{\an8}that said a company called OceanGate
has invited us to do a story.
1391
01:26:19,174 --> 01:26:21,049
[interviewer]
Was there no hesitation at all?
1392
01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:23,302
- No hesitation at all.
- [interviewer] That's pretty trusting.
1393
01:26:23,303 --> 01:26:28,265
{\an8}Ha! Well, I just figured
the guy clearly wants press.
1394
01:26:28,266 --> 01:26:32,729
{\an8}He's not going to put a live correspondent
on anything that's dangerous.
1395
01:26:41,446 --> 01:26:44,030
[Pogue] We were there
in the second summer of operation.
1396
01:26:44,031 --> 01:26:47,201
They would make five expeditions a summer.
1397
01:26:47,202 --> 01:26:50,121
One nine-day trip is an expedition.
1398
01:26:53,666 --> 01:26:55,710
[Pogue] They do that five times.
1399
01:26:58,380 --> 01:27:02,424
Each expedition has five chances
to go down to see the Titanic.
1400
01:27:02,425 --> 01:27:05,678
[alert sounding]
1401
01:27:10,308 --> 01:27:13,810
Titan reports on bottom at 3,748 meters.
1402
01:27:13,811 --> 01:27:15,479
[scattered hoots]
1403
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:20,109
All told, that is
25 opportunities per summer.
1404
01:27:20,777 --> 01:27:26,658
And in total, after two summers,
they'd only been down there nine times.
1405
01:27:28,034 --> 01:27:30,287
[water splashing on microphone]
1406
01:27:33,998 --> 01:27:38,253
But I felt like OceanGate
had a maniacal safety culture.
1407
01:27:39,170 --> 01:27:41,380
They had this rule of three.
1408
01:27:41,381 --> 01:27:46,886
If three tiny things were wrong
or out of place or not optimal,
1409
01:27:47,470 --> 01:27:49,431
they don't dive. They cancel the dive.
1410
01:27:50,682 --> 01:27:51,807
[Rush] They're bringing us back up.
1411
01:27:51,808 --> 01:27:53,600
- They're bringing us back up?
- [Rush] Yeah.
1412
01:27:53,601 --> 01:27:55,226
Yep, they're bringing us back up.
1413
01:27:55,227 --> 01:27:56,604
- Something happened?
- Something happened.
1414
01:27:58,731 --> 01:28:03,820
[Pogue] They had literally the leading
expert on Titanic diving, P.H. Nargeolet,
1415
01:28:04,404 --> 01:28:06,614
probably the greatest expert alive.
1416
01:28:07,782 --> 01:28:10,742
I asked him over and over,
"Nothing about this worries you?"
1417
01:28:10,743 --> 01:28:12,160
And he said, "No, of course not."
1418
01:28:12,161 --> 01:28:15,581
I said, "Okay, that's fine.
That's fine. No problem."
1419
01:28:15,582 --> 01:28:17,750
That also gave me a lot of reassurance.
1420
01:28:19,377 --> 01:28:22,253
[Pogue] What is your function
on this expedition?
1421
01:28:22,254 --> 01:28:28,010
I'm helping as much as I can,
because I know a little bit the Titanic.
1422
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:30,804
[Pogue] You know
a lot about the Titanic.
1423
01:28:30,805 --> 01:28:31,930
[inaudible]
1424
01:28:31,931 --> 01:28:35,851
[McCallum] P.H.'s involvement is always
going to be a mystery to us.
1425
01:28:35,852 --> 01:28:38,020
[man over radio]
Slip drop rate is released.
1426
01:28:39,271 --> 01:28:41,565
[McCallum] He was told
in no uncertain terms
1427
01:28:41,566 --> 01:28:43,817
that he was lending his credentials
1428
01:28:43,818 --> 01:28:46,779
to something that had
a clear and obvious flaw to it.
1429
01:28:47,822 --> 01:28:50,199
[Nargeolet] Slow down, slow down.
He's just in front of us.
1430
01:28:51,283 --> 01:28:53,620
[McCallum] His response
was always the same.
1431
01:28:54,329 --> 01:28:57,498
"I'm an old man.
I've had a fantastic career.
1432
01:28:57,499 --> 01:29:00,584
If I can help add safety
to their operation,
1433
01:29:00,585 --> 01:29:02,253
then that's a win."
1434
01:29:03,087 --> 01:29:05,589
[Pogue] Oh, my gosh. Here's the bow, guys.
1435
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:07,298
- [man] Yeah.
- [laughter]
1436
01:29:07,299 --> 01:29:08,258
[Pogue] Do you guys see it?
1437
01:29:08,259 --> 01:29:11,220
[man] Look at that,
how it just kind of emerges out.
1438
01:29:13,681 --> 01:29:16,392
[Wendy Stockton over speaker] All hands,
Titan is on the bow of the Titanic
1439
01:29:16,393 --> 01:29:18,728
at a depth of 3,741 meters.
1440
01:29:19,228 --> 01:29:21,938
- Okay, done. There we go.
- [cheering]
1441
01:29:21,939 --> 01:29:23,565
Piece of cake.
1442
01:29:23,566 --> 01:29:26,026
[McCallum] How on earth did Stockton
get as far as he did?
1443
01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:27,904
I will never understand that.
1444
01:29:28,446 --> 01:29:30,196
[Rush] We've been lucky.
1445
01:29:30,197 --> 01:29:32,157
I don't know if it was Elon
came up with this,
1446
01:29:32,158 --> 01:29:34,159
but luck is the number-one superpower.
1447
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,955
And anybody who's done anything
in the ocean appreciates luck.
1448
01:29:42,334 --> 01:29:45,462
[McCallum] It just became
such a tight group of people
1449
01:29:45,463 --> 01:29:50,216
who had such strong belief
in what they thought they were doing
1450
01:29:50,217 --> 01:29:52,553
that it became almost cult-like.
1451
01:29:52,554 --> 01:29:55,472
- [wind whooshing]
- [woman cheering, clapping]
1452
01:29:55,473 --> 01:29:58,059
[man on radio] Titan topside.
1453
01:29:58,560 --> 01:29:59,977
Welcome back to the surface.
1454
01:30:05,483 --> 01:30:09,696
Whoo! Yeah, baby!
1455
01:30:10,279 --> 01:30:12,072
- [whooping]
- [applause]
1456
01:30:12,073 --> 01:30:14,158
[indistinct chatter]
1457
01:30:14,659 --> 01:30:17,661
[Pogue] He fully believed in
what he was doing and that it would work.
1458
01:30:17,662 --> 01:30:20,288
Why else would he be the pilot
on most of the dives?
1459
01:30:20,289 --> 01:30:22,959
Why else would he invite
a television crew to film it?
1460
01:30:24,711 --> 01:30:29,339
Your sub has just returned
from the entire day at the Titanic.
1461
01:30:29,340 --> 01:30:31,592
- Again.
- Again! [chuckles]
1462
01:30:31,593 --> 01:30:34,094
Our David Pogue was invited recently
1463
01:30:34,095 --> 01:30:37,931
to join the highly select
and very small group of people.
1464
01:30:37,932 --> 01:30:42,185
[Pogue] Our story about OceanGate
aired in November of 2022.
1465
01:30:42,186 --> 01:30:44,939
I think viewers thought
it was super cool, super interesting.
1466
01:30:45,523 --> 01:30:46,816
Stockton was thrilled.
1467
01:30:47,650 --> 01:30:49,736
He said, "We're already getting calls."
1468
01:31:07,545 --> 01:31:11,340
[female investigator] Mr. Catterson,
did you ever go on a dive on Titan?
1469
01:31:12,216 --> 01:31:13,341
[Catterson, quietly] No.
1470
01:31:13,342 --> 01:31:17,597
{\an8}Would you have felt comfortable
going on the Titan to depth?
1471
01:31:20,349 --> 01:31:21,183
{\an8}No.
1472
01:31:22,393 --> 01:31:24,854
[Nissen] Stockton's and my relationship
started to turn sour.
1473
01:31:25,437 --> 01:31:27,147
As everything was built,
1474
01:31:27,148 --> 01:31:30,818
he wanted me to be the pilot
that runs the Titanic missions.
1475
01:31:31,611 --> 01:31:33,320
And I told him I'm not getting in it.
1476
01:31:34,656 --> 01:31:36,448
That certainly was the death of me.
1477
01:31:38,826 --> 01:31:43,454
If you can't convince your own people
who believe in your mission
1478
01:31:43,455 --> 01:31:44,790
that your vessel is safe,
1479
01:31:44,791 --> 01:31:46,751
then there's something deeply wrong
with your company.
1480
01:31:48,545 --> 01:31:50,921
Do you listen to those concerns?
Do you take them on board?
1481
01:31:50,922 --> 01:31:54,424
Do you make them part of the process
of making this the safest vehicle
1482
01:31:54,425 --> 01:31:55,718
that they all wanted?
1483
01:31:56,928 --> 01:31:59,263
Or do you call them into
a conference room and say you're fired?
1484
01:32:01,390 --> 01:32:04,350
[McCallum] The unsung hero in this
is Dave Lochridge.
1485
01:32:04,351 --> 01:32:09,314
He was perhaps alone in the room
that realized how bad things really were.
1486
01:32:09,315 --> 01:32:14,528
I mean, he refused to compromise
his professional standards.
1487
01:32:15,196 --> 01:32:18,448
[Lochridge] We decided
to counter-sue OceanGate.
1488
01:32:18,449 --> 01:32:20,491
But rather than what OceanGate did,
1489
01:32:20,492 --> 01:32:23,079
they decided to sue us in civil court,
1490
01:32:24,038 --> 01:32:25,707
which remains behind closed doors.
1491
01:32:26,958 --> 01:32:31,169
We decided to do it in federal court
so that it would become public knowledge
1492
01:32:31,170 --> 01:32:33,880
and the public have complete information.
1493
01:32:33,881 --> 01:32:36,299
[Lochridge] We had to fight them
with everything we've got.
1494
01:32:36,300 --> 01:32:39,095
But it was costing us financially.
1495
01:32:39,596 --> 01:32:43,974
I mean, for the first seven months,
we put savings into this.
1496
01:32:43,975 --> 01:32:45,768
We fought them from our own pocket.
1497
01:32:46,393 --> 01:32:48,812
And as you can imagine,
a lawsuit is no easy thing,
1498
01:32:48,813 --> 01:32:51,983
especially when you're being
threatened with theft, fraud.
1499
01:32:52,817 --> 01:32:55,110
{\an8}Once we get the written response
1500
01:32:55,111 --> 01:32:57,904
{\an8}and we get all the evidence
from both sides,
1501
01:32:57,905 --> 01:33:01,658
{\an8}unfortunately, at that point,
the investigation has to pause
1502
01:33:01,659 --> 01:33:05,747
because as an investigator,
I have a lot of other cases.
1503
01:33:07,373 --> 01:33:08,832
{\an8}[Lochridge] "Please note, at this time,
1504
01:33:08,833 --> 01:33:12,460
{\an8}I have 11 cases that are older than yours.
1505
01:33:12,461 --> 01:33:16,548
{\an8}I will be in contact with you as needed.
Thank you for your patience."
1506
01:33:17,216 --> 01:33:21,552
My wife and I had decided, this is...
I'm not going to say pointless,
1507
01:33:21,553 --> 01:33:25,932
but it was going nowhere,
and it was causing more hurt for us.
1508
01:33:25,933 --> 01:33:29,352
Um, and ev... It's difficult.
1509
01:33:29,353 --> 01:33:32,815
So Carol and I decided to... to walk away.
1510
01:33:33,858 --> 01:33:37,360
We were running out of money.
We were running out of fight.
1511
01:33:37,361 --> 01:33:39,570
We were done. We were burnt out.
1512
01:33:39,571 --> 01:33:41,948
The authorities
weren't willing to help us.
1513
01:33:41,949 --> 01:33:43,617
We had to walk away. That was it.
1514
01:33:45,327 --> 01:33:48,371
[McDevitt] He had OceanGate
breathing down his neck.
1515
01:33:48,372 --> 01:33:51,624
So he basically withdrew his complaint.
1516
01:33:51,625 --> 01:33:53,836
[interviewer] And then
that case just goes away?
1517
01:33:54,336 --> 01:33:56,088
Mm-hm. Yeah.
1518
01:34:08,267 --> 01:34:10,518
{\an8}[male investigator]
Dr. Ross, in expedition 2022,
1519
01:34:10,519 --> 01:34:15,066
{\an8}were you there for the entirety
of the expedition? All five missions?
1520
01:34:15,817 --> 01:34:19,528
No, I only attended mission four and five.
1521
01:34:20,529 --> 01:34:22,782
[male investigator] Were you on board
for dive 80?
1522
01:34:23,365 --> 01:34:24,200
Yes.
1523
01:34:29,747 --> 01:34:33,666
We know that the carbon fiber
was starting to react differently at depth
1524
01:34:33,667 --> 01:34:36,420
based on the incident
that occurred on dive 80.
1525
01:34:43,135 --> 01:34:47,347
[Alfred Hagen] We were ascending,
and I-I don't recall the depth.
1526
01:34:47,348 --> 01:34:49,766
I think we were fairly close
to the surface,
1527
01:34:49,767 --> 01:34:51,517
but we were still underwater.
1528
01:34:51,518 --> 01:34:52,729
{\an8}And there was a...
1529
01:34:53,645 --> 01:34:57,191
{\an8}you know, just a large bang
or cracking sound.
1530
01:35:02,113 --> 01:35:04,614
On mission four, when we got
to the surface, Scott was piloting.
1531
01:35:04,615 --> 01:35:06,157
He heard a really loud bang.
1532
01:35:06,158 --> 01:35:09,244
- Um, not a soothing sound.
- [Scott] No.
1533
01:35:09,245 --> 01:35:14,124
Um, but on the surface,
and as Tim and P.H. will attest,
1534
01:35:14,125 --> 01:35:17,293
almost every deep-diving sub
makes a noise at some point.
1535
01:35:17,294 --> 01:35:18,544
[metallic creaking]
1536
01:35:18,545 --> 01:35:22,966
[Neubauer] The vessel was still able to
make additional dives after that occurred,
1537
01:35:22,967 --> 01:35:26,512
but the data changes
significantly after dive 80.
1538
01:35:29,849 --> 01:35:33,227
That's where the real-time monitoring
system could have been a huge benefit.
1539
01:35:42,111 --> 01:35:44,696
Because it is showing
additional fibers are breaking.
1540
01:35:46,282 --> 01:35:49,576
[rumbling, hissing]
1541
01:35:51,537 --> 01:35:53,539
{\an8}That should have been a warning.
1542
01:35:54,957 --> 01:35:56,707
{\an8}In the end, they discounted the one system
1543
01:35:56,708 --> 01:35:59,295
{\an8}that was gonna be vital
to their operations.
1544
01:36:00,671 --> 01:36:04,884
It is really, in my mind, the smoking gun
of what eventually caused this.
1545
01:36:13,142 --> 01:36:15,726
What we really wanted to do
was bring the sub back,
1546
01:36:15,727 --> 01:36:17,562
{\an8}at least to Everett,
1547
01:36:17,563 --> 01:36:19,439
{\an8}and pull the insert
1548
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:23,609
{\an8}and just look at the inside of the hull
1549
01:36:23,610 --> 01:36:25,653
to see if there were any cracks.
1550
01:36:25,654 --> 01:36:29,240
And, um, it was very frustrating
1551
01:36:29,241 --> 01:36:33,662
because it was left in St. John's
and left on the dock.
1552
01:36:34,371 --> 01:36:36,373
[wind howling]
1553
01:36:37,624 --> 01:36:39,751
[Nissen] I told Stockton, "Don't do that."
1554
01:36:42,839 --> 01:36:46,674
"Once we build this,
it cannot be stored in sub-zero.
1555
01:36:46,675 --> 01:36:47,801
It cannot go freezing."
1556
01:36:50,679 --> 01:36:51,888
If water gets in there,
1557
01:36:51,889 --> 01:36:55,601
and you sit it out in freezing conditions
and that water expands, it breaks fibers.
1558
01:36:56,978 --> 01:36:58,561
With 100% certainty,
1559
01:36:58,562 --> 01:37:01,564
that sub could not go freezing.
1560
01:37:01,565 --> 01:37:03,692
It's critical to keep the water out.
1561
01:37:05,987 --> 01:37:08,990
[Brooks] We had no way to work on it,
no way to look at it,
1562
01:37:09,573 --> 01:37:11,908
and, uh, we were told it was a cost issue,
1563
01:37:11,909 --> 01:37:17,247
that the cost of shipping it back
was prohibitive.
1564
01:37:17,248 --> 01:37:20,708
They were low on money,
so we couldn't do that.
1565
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:24,462
And, really, that was basically
around the time that I left.
1566
01:37:24,463 --> 01:37:28,508
[hesitating] I had gotten quite frustrated
with some of these issues
1567
01:37:28,509 --> 01:37:31,012
and had decided to leave the company.
1568
01:37:33,764 --> 01:37:35,723
[Neubauer] By the third operating season,
it was clear
1569
01:37:35,724 --> 01:37:39,979
that a lot of the engineering expertise
had departed OceanGate.
1570
01:37:41,063 --> 01:37:43,065
[inaudible]
1571
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:47,152
[Neubauer] It appeared
that OceanGate felt comfortable
1572
01:37:47,153 --> 01:37:49,612
after the vessel was able to get to depth,
1573
01:37:49,613 --> 01:37:53,367
that they had a proven concept
that could just keep operating.
1574
01:38:33,699 --> 01:38:35,783
All right, let's just do our walk.
I'll just keep it natural right now,
1575
01:38:35,784 --> 01:38:37,827
and I'm going to come back
and do all my talking points later.
1576
01:38:37,828 --> 01:38:40,496
- You want me to just point some stuff out?
- Oh, yeah, yeah. All right.
1577
01:38:40,497 --> 01:38:43,458
{\an8}So first time hopping on the boat.
I'm so excited.
1578
01:38:43,459 --> 01:38:46,044
{\an8}We're going to walk up, check it out,
and just kind of go around
1579
01:38:46,045 --> 01:38:49,089
{\an8}and see what we got ourselves into
for the next few days. [laughs]
1580
01:38:49,090 --> 01:38:50,007
{\an8}Let's go.
1581
01:38:51,550 --> 01:38:54,678
My name is Jake Koehler. I'm a YouTuber.
1582
01:38:55,471 --> 01:38:56,637
[laughs]
1583
01:38:56,638 --> 01:38:58,681
"Scuba Jake" is really what I go by.
1584
01:38:58,682 --> 01:39:00,475
What's up, guys?
Welcome back to my channel.
1585
01:39:00,476 --> 01:39:02,935
If you're new, my name's Jake,
and I'm a treasure hunter.
1586
01:39:02,936 --> 01:39:04,104
So today we're in...
1587
01:39:04,105 --> 01:39:06,564
{\an8}[interviewer]
What was it about the Titanic?
1588
01:39:06,565 --> 01:39:08,649
{\an8}I was always intrigued by the story.
1589
01:39:08,650 --> 01:39:10,026
I mean, I actually went online
1590
01:39:10,027 --> 01:39:12,989
{\an8}and looked at the videos
of the scene, what it looked like.
1591
01:39:14,781 --> 01:39:17,451
{\an8}Like, one of the scariest movies
growing up was Titanic for me.
1592
01:39:18,410 --> 01:39:20,411
{\an8}It was weird, like, coming full circle
1593
01:39:20,412 --> 01:39:23,123
{\an8}that I was going to go
check it out as an adult, but...
1594
01:39:23,124 --> 01:39:24,958
I actually reached out
to OceanGate myself.
1595
01:39:25,667 --> 01:39:30,088
So here it is. This is Titan right here.
That's the sub. Go take a look.
1596
01:39:30,089 --> 01:39:31,840
[people chattering]
1597
01:39:35,552 --> 01:39:38,471
[Koehler] So is that the part
you said, aesthetically...
1598
01:39:38,472 --> 01:39:41,307
[male employee] Yeah, this fiberglass
is up. Kind of the hood is open.
1599
01:39:41,308 --> 01:39:43,018
[Koehler] Makes it look
a little bit more
1600
01:39:43,019 --> 01:39:44,977
like we're winging it,
which is pretty cool.
1601
01:39:44,978 --> 01:39:46,646
- [male employee] "Winging it."
- [woman laughs]
1602
01:39:46,647 --> 01:39:47,772
Yeah!
1603
01:39:47,773 --> 01:39:49,399
Just kidding. [laughs]
1604
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:53,319
[interviewer] Were you aware
so far that spring,
1605
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:55,572
that they had not had a successful dive?
1606
01:39:56,740 --> 01:40:00,951
Um, I learned that, especially
when I first got to Newfoundland,
1607
01:40:00,952 --> 01:40:03,121
that the first couple missions
were unsuccessful.
1608
01:40:03,122 --> 01:40:05,248
It's just the weather was so bad.
1609
01:40:05,249 --> 01:40:08,252
[metallic creaking]
1610
01:40:11,630 --> 01:40:14,925
[Koehler] But we spent a few days
out there, and I got seasick a lot.
1611
01:40:17,053 --> 01:40:19,888
[woman] Oh, my good God! [laughing]
1612
01:40:20,556 --> 01:40:22,558
[laughing continues]
1613
01:40:23,809 --> 01:40:25,269
Are you okay?
1614
01:40:26,228 --> 01:40:29,731
[Koehler] We were going out. It was always
really windy. The waves were really big.
1615
01:40:32,359 --> 01:40:34,152
I was ready to get home,
I'm not going to lie,
1616
01:40:34,153 --> 01:40:36,405
but at the same time,
we came for a reason.
1617
01:40:51,170 --> 01:40:53,546
[indistinct chatter]
1618
01:40:53,547 --> 01:40:55,965
- [Koehler] All right, we're doing it now.
- [people laugh]
1619
01:40:55,966 --> 01:40:58,969
[Koehler] Ready to go.
There's your submarine right back there.
1620
01:40:59,970 --> 01:41:00,929
[man on radio] Negative.
1621
01:41:02,139 --> 01:41:04,516
[Koehler] You know what I didn't realize,
is it's freezing cold.
1622
01:41:05,767 --> 01:41:07,436
And I got in.
1623
01:41:08,104 --> 01:41:09,104
It was really strange
1624
01:41:09,105 --> 01:41:11,482
because at that point I've never been
inside of it before.
1625
01:41:13,442 --> 01:41:14,442
[woman] Ah!
1626
01:41:14,443 --> 01:41:16,528
[indistinct chatter]
1627
01:41:17,113 --> 01:41:18,070
- [metallic clatter]
- Oh, no!
1628
01:41:18,071 --> 01:41:18,988
There goes one.
1629
01:41:18,989 --> 01:41:21,783
That's all right. Just a nut, we got many.
1630
01:41:23,744 --> 01:41:24,703
[Koehler] Alright, guys.
1631
01:41:28,124 --> 01:41:29,582
[man on radio]
Stockton, ready to dive.
1632
01:41:29,583 --> 01:41:30,541
[static clicks]
1633
01:41:30,542 --> 01:41:32,002
[Koehler] Yeah, we are. We're doing it.
1634
01:41:32,711 --> 01:41:34,337
Oh my... Jesus!
1635
01:41:34,338 --> 01:41:35,589
[man murmurs]
1636
01:41:36,173 --> 01:41:39,343
Look at this. We... It...
We're literally straight down.
1637
01:41:40,261 --> 01:41:42,554
[indistinct chatter]
1638
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:45,766
[Koehler] What's he saying right now?
1639
01:41:46,350 --> 01:41:49,561
[male employee] He said,
"You're locked in."
1640
01:41:51,104 --> 01:41:52,397
"Okay to lock in?"
1641
01:41:52,398 --> 01:41:54,400
[Rush] That means they're probably
going to bring us up.
1642
01:41:55,401 --> 01:41:58,403
[male employee] Yeah, you know,
because we've had no comms for a while.
1643
01:41:58,404 --> 01:42:01,071
[Koehler] We were about to go off,
but the fog rolled in,
1644
01:42:01,072 --> 01:42:02,741
so that dive was canceled.
1645
01:42:05,869 --> 01:42:07,287
I'd be interested to hear
what happened up there.
1646
01:42:07,288 --> 01:42:08,871
I'm sure it's not too much fun.
1647
01:42:08,872 --> 01:42:10,373
Mm. Yeah.
1648
01:42:10,374 --> 01:42:13,168
[Koehler] It kind of sounds,
you know, weird to say now,
1649
01:42:13,169 --> 01:42:14,711
but I was a bit disappointed.
1650
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:23,553
[Koehler] That whole duration
probably took a couple hours,
1651
01:42:23,554 --> 01:42:26,973
but I remember I was like,
I remember my feet being cold.
1652
01:42:27,683 --> 01:42:28,892
[man on radio] Topside.
1653
01:42:29,685 --> 01:42:31,852
[Koehler] Because the condensation
on the inside of the submersible,
1654
01:42:31,853 --> 01:42:32,854
you could see it beading.
1655
01:42:36,942 --> 01:42:39,944
Later on, I remember they had
the crane holding up the dome
1656
01:42:39,945 --> 01:42:41,404
after everyone had passed away,
1657
01:42:41,405 --> 01:42:44,282
and I just remembered my feet
was literally on that dome
1658
01:42:44,283 --> 01:42:45,909
just a few days before.
1659
01:42:54,835 --> 01:42:58,880
And I'm just thinking like, damn,
you know, like, what if that was me?
1660
01:43:00,716 --> 01:43:02,175
It's a bit... tough.
1661
01:43:11,352 --> 01:43:13,770
[Koehler] You know, it's not really...
it's not about me.
1662
01:43:14,855 --> 01:43:17,815
I, you know, just feel bad
for everyone else, of course,
1663
01:43:17,816 --> 01:43:19,901
but, uh, yeah, it's tough.
1664
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,656
It's a lot of what-ifs,
but you can't live like that, you know.
1665
01:43:31,037 --> 01:43:32,289
[sniffs]
1666
01:43:49,681 --> 01:43:54,060
[Harris] In 2023, OceanGate had made
four previous dive attempts,
1667
01:43:54,686 --> 01:43:57,814
and they were all foxed by either weather
or technical difficulties.
1668
01:44:02,528 --> 01:44:05,489
On the first dive of the final expedition,
1669
01:44:06,072 --> 01:44:08,366
about one and a half hours into that dive,
1670
01:44:08,367 --> 01:44:11,912
communications and tracking
suddenly stopped.
1671
01:44:31,181 --> 01:44:36,477
[low rumbling sound]
1672
01:44:36,478 --> 01:44:40,899
[rumbling continues, then fades]
1673
01:44:44,486 --> 01:44:48,782
- [waves lapping]
- [wind blowing]
1674
01:44:53,203 --> 01:44:55,538
[Harris] From the very first time
I talked with people
1675
01:44:55,539 --> 01:44:57,164
when the sub was still missing,
1676
01:44:57,165 --> 01:45:01,502
there were sources who were saying to me
they had left because of Stockton.
1677
01:45:01,503 --> 01:45:05,172
I had one source who told me
he had two phones because of Stockton.
1678
01:45:05,173 --> 01:45:07,216
He didn't want Stockton
to know what phone...
1679
01:45:07,217 --> 01:45:11,346
There was... There was one who actually
wouldn't really fully open up to me
1680
01:45:11,347 --> 01:45:13,807
until we all learned
that Stockton had died.
1681
01:45:19,563 --> 01:45:23,817
[melancholy, orchestral music playing]
1682
01:45:26,487 --> 01:45:28,153
[Harris] It was at that exact moment
1683
01:45:28,154 --> 01:45:32,493
I believed there was a real story
about why this had happened.
1684
01:45:35,829 --> 01:45:37,455
[Rush] This is the future
of the company.
1685
01:45:37,456 --> 01:45:39,540
This is the path I've determined to take.
1686
01:45:39,541 --> 01:45:41,083
I have no desire to die.
1687
01:45:41,084 --> 01:45:43,754
I've got a nice granddaughter.
I am going to be around.
1688
01:45:45,756 --> 01:45:47,132
[sighs]
1689
01:45:49,342 --> 01:45:54,472
The real mistake isn't in the idea
that something wasn't classed,
1690
01:45:54,473 --> 01:45:56,725
or we didn't follow a set of regulations.
1691
01:45:58,101 --> 01:46:00,061
That's not really the mistake.
1692
01:46:03,106 --> 01:46:07,152
[Harris] Stockton came to
identify himself with OceanGate.
1693
01:46:08,153 --> 01:46:09,404
He's the guy who does this.
1694
01:46:09,405 --> 01:46:13,784
He's the guy who breaks through
barriers to unlock the oceans to humanity.
1695
01:46:21,458 --> 01:46:23,876
If you criticize any aspect
of that operation,
1696
01:46:23,877 --> 01:46:25,629
you're criticizing him personally.
1697
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:32,593
[Lochridge] The main thing
1698
01:46:32,594 --> 01:46:35,387
is if something goes wrong
with you being in that submersible,
1699
01:46:35,388 --> 01:46:37,181
your topside support...
1700
01:46:37,182 --> 01:46:39,642
Everybody says,
"Oh, it'll just be Stockton's wife.
1701
01:46:39,643 --> 01:46:42,311
That's the only person
you'll be liable for." Nonsense.
1702
01:46:42,312 --> 01:46:44,855
Those are the ones
that are left with the aftermath.
1703
01:46:44,856 --> 01:46:48,400
Those are the ones that are left to answer
to the accident investigation team.
1704
01:46:48,401 --> 01:46:49,945
OceanGate is done.
1705
01:46:52,155 --> 01:46:54,908
It's culture that caused this to happen.
1706
01:46:55,492 --> 01:46:58,244
It's culture that killed the people.
A hundred percent.
1707
01:47:07,212 --> 01:47:10,548
{\an8}[interviewer] Did you receive
any news or update
1708
01:47:10,549 --> 01:47:13,969
{\an8}from OceanGate after the implosion?
1709
01:47:14,636 --> 01:47:18,974
[in French] No. OceanGate,
on the contrary, was silent.
1710
01:47:26,565 --> 01:47:31,027
Not even a little note, "We're sorry
your dad died." Not even that, no.
1711
01:47:33,614 --> 01:47:37,074
[reporter 7] Now to the new lawsuit
by the family of a Titanic explorer
1712
01:47:37,075 --> 01:47:40,160
killed in the submersible
implosion last year.
1713
01:47:40,161 --> 01:47:42,997
The wrongful death suit seeks $50 million
1714
01:47:42,998 --> 01:47:47,293
and claims those on board were terrified
as they realized what was happening.
1715
01:47:58,054 --> 01:47:59,723
[Lochridge] He wanted fame.
1716
01:48:00,682 --> 01:48:03,727
First and foremost, to fuel his ego, fame.
1717
01:48:05,687 --> 01:48:07,105
That was what he wanted.
1718
01:48:10,483 --> 01:48:11,943
And he's got it.
1719
01:48:17,949 --> 01:48:20,118
{\an8}[Rush] I have no desire to die,
and I'm not going to die.
1720
01:48:24,915 --> 01:48:27,917
[Rush] What may easily happen
is we will fail.
1721
01:48:27,918 --> 01:48:31,336
I can come up with 50 reasons
to call it off, and fail as a company.
1722
01:48:31,337 --> 01:48:34,800
I am not dying.
No one's dying under my watch. Period.