1 00:00:12,554 --> 00:00:13,764 ♪ (TENSE STRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 2 00:00:13,805 --> 00:00:17,935 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 3 00:00:31,532 --> 00:00:34,660 (INDISTINCT CHATTER CONTINUES) 4 00:00:41,083 --> 00:00:44,294 Yeah, this has really been a long-standing nightmare 5 00:00:44,336 --> 00:00:45,462 for the Austin community, 6 00:00:45,546 --> 00:00:48,674 especially for individuals who have lived with this 7 00:00:48,757 --> 00:00:50,717 for such a very long time, and... 8 00:00:51,552 --> 00:00:56,390 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 9 00:00:56,473 --> 00:01:00,352 ♪ (TENSE STRING MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 10 00:01:11,488 --> 00:01:12,614 KIRK WATSON: Good morning, everyone. 11 00:01:12,698 --> 00:01:15,784 Thank you to all of you that are here with us this morning. 12 00:01:16,952 --> 00:01:18,787 Over three decades 13 00:01:18,829 --> 00:01:23,166 after a horrible crime took the lives of four teenage girls, 14 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:28,005 and changed Austin forever, our hearts haven't healed. 15 00:01:28,045 --> 00:01:30,757 They're still broken for the precious girls we lost. 16 00:01:32,092 --> 00:01:33,969 More than a quarter-century ago, 17 00:01:34,051 --> 00:01:37,139 in a circumstance much like this today, 18 00:01:38,307 --> 00:01:41,977 I said that Austin lost its innocence 19 00:01:42,060 --> 00:01:44,938 the night those young souls became victims. 20 00:01:47,482 --> 00:01:49,985 Time has passed. 21 00:01:50,027 --> 00:01:53,196 We are different people and a different city. 22 00:01:55,616 --> 00:01:58,118 And while there's no change to the horror, 23 00:01:58,201 --> 00:02:01,204 no diminishing the grief, 24 00:02:01,288 --> 00:02:05,083 we can finally express a deep sigh... 25 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:09,463 a release that comes from knowing. 26 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:15,010 Today, finally, we have an answer. 27 00:02:16,345 --> 00:02:17,929 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 28 00:02:18,013 --> 00:02:20,432 ♪ ("DEVIL TOWN" BY ALLEGRA KRIEGER PLAYING) ♪ 29 00:02:20,515 --> 00:02:26,228 ♪ I was living in a devil town ♪ 30 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:32,486 ♪ Didn't know It was a devil town ♪ 31 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:38,784 ♪ Oh Lord It really brings me down ♪ 32 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:42,037 ♪ About the devil town ♪ 33 00:02:43,038 --> 00:02:49,461 ♪ I was living in a devil town ♪ 34 00:02:49,543 --> 00:02:55,258 ♪ Didn't know It was a devil town ♪ 35 00:02:56,718 --> 00:03:01,348 ♪ Oh Lord It really brings me down ♪ 36 00:03:01,431 --> 00:03:04,184 ♪ About the devil town ♪ 37 00:03:04,267 --> 00:03:06,103 ♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪ 38 00:03:06,186 --> 00:03:10,399 ♪ (ETHEREAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 39 00:03:18,281 --> 00:03:20,117 SONORA THOMAS: I used to babysit this family 40 00:03:20,158 --> 00:03:22,577 on this street, and I've always tried to remember 41 00:03:23,078 --> 00:03:24,913 which house it is. 42 00:03:24,996 --> 00:03:26,790 And there's a street on the right side 43 00:03:26,873 --> 00:03:28,125 called Sonora Street. 44 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:30,919 I think we might have passed it already. 45 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:32,295 I don't quite know this neighborhood 46 00:03:32,337 --> 00:03:33,839 as well as I used to. 47 00:03:36,091 --> 00:03:39,219 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 48 00:03:42,180 --> 00:03:44,850 SONORA: When the detective called me on Friday, 49 00:03:45,392 --> 00:03:46,977 just within minutes, 50 00:03:47,018 --> 00:03:49,020 I couldn't hear what he was saying. 51 00:03:49,103 --> 00:03:52,482 I need to, like, hear this again ten times 52 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:55,652 before I know enough to even ask a question. 53 00:03:55,694 --> 00:03:57,988 (TURN SIGNAL CLICKING) 54 00:03:58,071 --> 00:04:00,323 SONORA: And I can just feel my mind racing. 55 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:03,201 I mean, it's only been three or four days 56 00:04:03,285 --> 00:04:04,995 since I've had this new piece of information, 57 00:04:05,036 --> 00:04:08,790 so I know this will settle. But right now, I just feel... 58 00:04:08,874 --> 00:04:11,042 Yeah, I definitely don't feel my body. 59 00:04:14,087 --> 00:04:16,214 I thought it was always farther down. 60 00:04:17,339 --> 00:04:18,925 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 61 00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:24,973 -Yeah, I'm not really sure. -MARGARET BROWN: Yeah. 62 00:04:25,015 --> 00:04:27,350 I remember there being a big tree, but... 63 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,898 now I'm sort of disoriented. 64 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:38,111 I thought there was a vase that was sticking up. Okay. 65 00:04:41,907 --> 00:04:44,618 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(SONORA SIGHS) 66 00:04:46,203 --> 00:04:47,370 MARGARET: 67 00:04:47,454 --> 00:04:48,580 Yeah, that'd be good. 68 00:04:48,663 --> 00:04:51,249 Just a few minutes. We can leave in a minute. 69 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:55,086 (SIGHS) 70 00:04:56,338 --> 00:04:58,924 (INSECTS CHIRPING) 71 00:04:59,007 --> 00:05:02,844 ♪ (SONORA HUMMING SOFT MELODY) ♪ 72 00:05:04,846 --> 00:05:11,186 ♪ (CONTINUES HUMMING) ♪ 73 00:05:12,938 --> 00:05:15,482 ♪ Surround you... ♪ 74 00:05:17,526 --> 00:05:22,197 -♪ (CONTINUES SINGING INDISTINCTLY) ♪ -♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC OVERLAPPING) ♪ 75 00:05:23,198 --> 00:05:29,287 ♪ (SONORA CONTINUES HUMMING) ♪ 76 00:05:29,371 --> 00:05:32,207 -(KIDS SHOUTING, LAUGHING) -♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 77 00:05:32,249 --> 00:05:35,252 BOB AYERS: They drove all the way from Austin to tell us. 78 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:38,463 ♪ (SONORA CONTINUES HUMMING) ♪ 79 00:05:38,547 --> 00:05:40,549 PAM AYERS: I feel kind of numb in a way. 80 00:05:40,632 --> 00:05:43,051 I think it's 'cause it's still so new to us. 81 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,098 SHAWN AYERS: In one sentence, it went from 82 00:05:48,139 --> 00:05:51,058 thirty-something years of thinking one thing to... 83 00:05:51,142 --> 00:05:53,144 "No, it's totally something else." 84 00:05:54,771 --> 00:05:56,773 BARBARA AYRES-WILSON: When they explained it to us, I just felt bad, 85 00:05:56,815 --> 00:05:59,317 'cause they had already had to talk to every other parent. 86 00:06:00,777 --> 00:06:03,822 It's a lot of people to have to repeat this story to. 87 00:06:07,409 --> 00:06:09,494 BOB: He was looking at us and said, "I've got some good news." 88 00:06:09,578 --> 00:06:11,788 And then there was a long pause. 89 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:15,333 I'll never forget that. He said... 90 00:06:17,002 --> 00:06:18,545 "I know who killed your daughter." 91 00:06:20,505 --> 00:06:22,883 ♪ (SONORA HUMMING SOFT MELODY) ♪ 92 00:06:25,635 --> 00:06:29,973 ♪ (CONTINUES HUMMING) ♪ 93 00:06:32,851 --> 00:06:34,853 ♪ (DAN JACKSON HUMMING) ♪ 94 00:06:42,027 --> 00:06:43,320 (MUTTERS INDISTINCTLY) 95 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:47,365 When I took the case over in early June of 2022, 96 00:06:47,449 --> 00:06:48,950 we talked about the physical evidence, 97 00:06:49,034 --> 00:06:49,993 how limited it was. 98 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:53,413 ♪ (SOMBER PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 99 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:54,998 DAN: One of the few things we had was 100 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:57,876 that .380 casing found in the floor drain. 101 00:07:01,296 --> 00:07:04,007 It had been uploaded into the ATF's database, 102 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:05,759 and it never got any hits. 103 00:07:07,844 --> 00:07:09,387 JOHN JONES: The lands and grooves told us 104 00:07:09,471 --> 00:07:11,848 exactly what kind of gun it was. 105 00:07:11,932 --> 00:07:15,477 We put that on the wire coast-to-coast. 106 00:07:16,728 --> 00:07:18,855 We knew what we were looking for exactly. 107 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:22,567 DAN: The system's called NIBIN, 108 00:07:22,651 --> 00:07:26,363 National Integrated Ballistics Information Network. 109 00:07:26,404 --> 00:07:29,032 So, think of, like, the national DNA database, 110 00:07:29,074 --> 00:07:32,577 but instead of DNA, it's spent shell casings. 111 00:07:32,661 --> 00:07:34,204 The way the gun holds the casing, 112 00:07:34,245 --> 00:07:36,373 it creates these microscopic little indentions, 113 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,375 and then the software can compare those 114 00:07:38,457 --> 00:07:41,378 if the same gun was used in different crimes. 115 00:07:41,419 --> 00:07:43,713 So, I thought, "Well, you know, it's been a long time. 116 00:07:43,755 --> 00:07:45,715 I assume the data is still in the database, 117 00:07:45,757 --> 00:07:46,758 but let me double check, 118 00:07:46,841 --> 00:07:48,760 and maybe there's something we can do with it now." 119 00:07:50,345 --> 00:07:52,097 For whatever reason, I don't know why, 120 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:54,015 something told me to go down that rabbit hole. 121 00:07:57,477 --> 00:08:00,146 It had been uploaded at least twice. 122 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:05,443 '97, and then again in '07, and no matches. 123 00:08:06,444 --> 00:08:07,445 If it's been that long, 124 00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:09,906 the software now is light-years ahead of what it was. 125 00:08:09,948 --> 00:08:11,992 It's like three-dimensional type stuff now. 126 00:08:15,787 --> 00:08:18,832 So, July 2nd, they went and pulled it from evidence. 127 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:21,793 And that afternoon they called me, 128 00:08:21,876 --> 00:08:24,838 and I was actually... just left town for vacation. 129 00:08:24,921 --> 00:08:27,507 And I was sitting on the beach in Port Aransas, 130 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:29,551 and they were like, "Hey, are you sitting down?" 131 00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:31,678 I was like, "Yeah, I'm sitting down on the beach. 132 00:08:31,761 --> 00:08:33,638 What's up?" I was like, "Do I need a drink for this?" 133 00:08:33,722 --> 00:08:35,472 And he's like, "Yeah, you need to pour yourself a drink. 134 00:08:35,557 --> 00:08:36,890 We got a hit." 135 00:08:36,975 --> 00:08:38,809 ♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 136 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:41,145 DAN: To another unsolved homicide 137 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:43,523 in 1998 in Lexington, Kentucky. 138 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:48,069 REPORTER 1: This is 43-year-old Linda Rutledge. 139 00:08:48,153 --> 00:08:50,989 Police say on November 7th, 1998, 140 00:08:51,072 --> 00:08:53,700 they responded to help the Lexington Fire Department 141 00:08:53,783 --> 00:08:54,951 with a fire at a business. 142 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:56,995 When they got there, they found a woman dead 143 00:08:57,078 --> 00:08:58,663 inside the back of the store, 144 00:08:58,747 --> 00:09:00,957 later confirmed to be Linda Rutledge. 145 00:09:00,999 --> 00:09:05,253 When they found Linda's body here on 121 Malabu Drive, 146 00:09:05,336 --> 00:09:08,256 they found injuries unrelated to the fire. 147 00:09:08,339 --> 00:09:10,133 We cover all the bases with any fire. 148 00:09:10,216 --> 00:09:11,968 That's what we do anytime we find a body 149 00:09:12,010 --> 00:09:13,678 where it's suspicious in nature. 150 00:09:13,762 --> 00:09:15,305 REPORTER 2: Ms. Rutledge's death 151 00:09:15,346 --> 00:09:17,098 had since been ruled a homicide. 152 00:09:17,182 --> 00:09:18,975 REPORTER 3: No suspect or suspects 153 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:20,852 have ever been found. 154 00:09:20,935 --> 00:09:22,562 DAN: This woman had been killed 155 00:09:22,645 --> 00:09:24,522 in a strip mall in a retail space, 156 00:09:24,606 --> 00:09:26,524 her parents' hearing aid store. 157 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:29,110 She would use the hearing aid store 158 00:09:29,194 --> 00:09:30,737 after hours to go change. I think she'd been bartending, 159 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:31,988 and she was gonna go change clothes, 160 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:33,156 and go out with friends. 161 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:36,159 So, she stopped there, and never made it to the bar. 162 00:09:36,242 --> 00:09:37,452 ♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪ 163 00:09:37,494 --> 00:09:39,287 DAN: Later that night or early next morning, 164 00:09:39,329 --> 00:09:41,831 somebody was driving by and saw the fire. 165 00:09:41,873 --> 00:09:42,957 Just like yogurt shop, 166 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,834 the fire department put the fire out, 167 00:09:44,918 --> 00:09:48,046 and found her body... in the back. 168 00:09:48,129 --> 00:09:51,049 She had been shot in the head with a .380. 169 00:09:52,926 --> 00:09:55,303 Just like yogurt shop, she had been sexually assaulted. 170 00:09:55,345 --> 00:09:57,013 Front door's locked from the inside, 171 00:09:57,055 --> 00:09:58,848 and so, obviously, probably went out the back door, which, 172 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:00,850 if you look at the back door of that strip mall, 173 00:10:00,892 --> 00:10:03,853 it looks just like yogurt shop. It's like an alley. 174 00:10:03,895 --> 00:10:05,480 Probably most strip malls look the same. 175 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:10,193 I got back from vacation, met with Lexington PD. 176 00:10:10,276 --> 00:10:12,237 Tried to find any sort of common link. 177 00:10:13,488 --> 00:10:16,199 Their casing had only been uploaded in 2024, 178 00:10:16,282 --> 00:10:17,534 so a year ago. 179 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:19,244 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 180 00:10:19,911 --> 00:10:21,079 DAN: At the end of the week, 181 00:10:21,162 --> 00:10:22,872 we didn't really have any other connection. 182 00:10:24,249 --> 00:10:28,044 ♪ (SOMBER STRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 183 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:30,880 DAN: You know, Lexington wasn't anything 184 00:10:30,922 --> 00:10:32,257 in our radar for our case, 185 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:34,467 and they didn't have any Texas connections. 186 00:10:35,677 --> 00:10:38,638 Same gun, seven years later, similar MO. 187 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:49,983 We collaborated on a testing strategy. 188 00:10:51,109 --> 00:10:53,778 One of the things they had was a sexual assault kit. 189 00:11:02,871 --> 00:11:04,747 So, we don't have a DNA profile 190 00:11:04,831 --> 00:11:06,249 that would be good enough for CODIS. 191 00:11:06,332 --> 00:11:07,750 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 192 00:11:07,834 --> 00:11:10,295 CODIS, the Combined DNA Index System, 193 00:11:10,378 --> 00:11:13,590 so it's a national database held by the FBI. 194 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:18,678 ♪ (DRAMATIC SYNTH MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 195 00:11:18,761 --> 00:11:20,096 PRESENTER: The CODIS program has had 196 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,473 many success stories since it began. 197 00:11:22,557 --> 00:11:24,434 As the database increases, 198 00:11:24,517 --> 00:11:27,187 so does the number of solved crimes. 199 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:28,897 DAN: You have to have a certain amount of DNA. 200 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:30,398 It has to be a certain quality. 201 00:11:30,481 --> 00:11:31,941 You gotta have like a full... 202 00:11:31,983 --> 00:11:33,276 what's called a full CODIS profile 203 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:35,486 to get it uploaded. 204 00:11:35,570 --> 00:11:38,948 Partial or degraded profiles would get false positives. 205 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:40,867 ♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 206 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:42,660 DAN: I said, "Well, we don't have a CODIS profile. 207 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:44,746 All we have is our Y-STR. 208 00:11:45,747 --> 00:11:47,207 Do y'all have a Y-STR?" 209 00:11:47,290 --> 00:11:50,126 And said, no, they don't have one for this case. 210 00:11:50,168 --> 00:11:52,086 REPORTER 1: The prosecution asked for a delay 211 00:11:52,170 --> 00:11:53,880 to sift through recent DNA evidence. 212 00:11:53,963 --> 00:11:55,506 REPORTER 2: A Y-STR profile, 213 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:57,842 it doesn't match any of your defendants. 214 00:11:57,926 --> 00:12:02,472 REPORTER 3: 215 00:12:02,513 --> 00:12:03,640 There is no database 216 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:06,309 for this particular type of profile. 217 00:12:06,392 --> 00:12:08,269 This is a Y-only profile. 218 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:10,980 And there's no database for that. 219 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:13,900 DAN: Y-STR profiles, the male chromosome DNA 220 00:12:13,983 --> 00:12:15,485 that those tests look for. 221 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:17,528 There's not an automated searchable database. 222 00:12:17,612 --> 00:12:18,863 It's not like you can just upload it 223 00:12:18,947 --> 00:12:20,823 and search continuously 224 00:12:20,907 --> 00:12:22,909 because the nature of a Y profile is that 225 00:12:22,992 --> 00:12:25,078 they're not unique to an individual. 226 00:12:25,161 --> 00:12:28,748 So, you would get hits that are totally unrelated to your case. 227 00:12:30,416 --> 00:12:32,835 What you can do is a manual search. 228 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:35,672 Take the profile I have, and physically sit down, 229 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:37,840 and type it in against other Y profiles 230 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:39,384 in other cases in your state. 231 00:12:40,218 --> 00:12:41,177 (MOUSE CLICKING) 232 00:12:41,219 --> 00:12:43,096 DAN: So, if this guy is from Kentucky, 233 00:12:43,179 --> 00:12:44,555 you can see if anything matches up 234 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,183 with a known offender there. 235 00:12:47,225 --> 00:12:49,185 That's when I was like, "Well, why don't we just do that 236 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:51,020 for the whole country?" 237 00:12:51,062 --> 00:12:53,022 Not all labs collect these Y profiles, 238 00:12:53,064 --> 00:12:55,483 but more and more are starting to. 239 00:12:55,566 --> 00:12:56,943 We asked everybody around the country, 240 00:12:57,026 --> 00:12:59,112 and everybody came back with nothing 241 00:12:59,195 --> 00:13:00,613 except South Carolina. 242 00:13:02,573 --> 00:13:05,785 They got a hit. We got 27 for 27 markers. 243 00:13:06,661 --> 00:13:07,704 A Y profile 244 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:09,163 from a sexual assault and homicide 245 00:13:09,247 --> 00:13:11,874 out of Greenville, South Carolina, from 1990. 246 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:17,714 ♪ (SOMBER PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 247 00:13:17,755 --> 00:13:19,799 DAN: They said they wanted to review it. 248 00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:21,426 We got to do some quality assurance, 249 00:13:21,509 --> 00:13:23,761 make sure we typed it in all correctly, 'cause it's a... 250 00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:25,054 you know, it's human error. 251 00:13:25,138 --> 00:13:27,724 We think because we were the first people to ever ask. 252 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:29,350 They had never gotten a request before. 253 00:13:31,102 --> 00:13:32,186 They had to make sure that this 254 00:13:32,270 --> 00:13:33,563 could be a candidate for our crime 255 00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:35,356 before releasing more information. 256 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:37,108 I said, "Okay, no problem." 257 00:13:37,191 --> 00:13:39,861 So, that was like a really long two weeks to wait. 258 00:13:41,571 --> 00:13:43,614 When I talked to the detective there, 259 00:13:43,698 --> 00:13:44,782 he didn't know anything about our case. 260 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:46,826 And I said something about, "Well, our quadruple..." 261 00:13:46,909 --> 00:13:48,828 And he was like, "Quadruple? Like, what?" 262 00:13:48,911 --> 00:13:51,372 ♪ (MUSIC TURNS TENSE) ♪ 263 00:13:51,456 --> 00:13:52,999 DAN: "Yeah, you can look it up." I was like, 264 00:13:53,082 --> 00:13:54,584 "There's actually a documentary airing right now." 265 00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:56,085 (CHUCKLES) 'Cause this is right when... 266 00:13:56,127 --> 00:13:58,212 I think it was-- episode three was out. 267 00:13:58,296 --> 00:14:00,173 (CHUCKLES) So I was like, "If you wanna get caught up 268 00:14:00,256 --> 00:14:01,424 to speed, there's a really good documentary. 269 00:14:01,466 --> 00:14:03,634 It's on HBO. Uh, I'm in episode four." 270 00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:08,097 And then he said, "Let me ask you something. 271 00:14:08,139 --> 00:14:11,100 Were your victims tied up with their own clothing?" 272 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:13,311 And I said, "Yeah." And he goes, "Yeah, ours too." 273 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:16,272 They used some of her pantyhose, I believe. 274 00:14:21,027 --> 00:14:22,820 And that's when I was like, 275 00:14:22,904 --> 00:14:24,822 "All right, we're onto something here." 276 00:14:26,741 --> 00:14:28,326 They sent me a report saying, 277 00:14:28,409 --> 00:14:30,787 "This is an affirmative link to Greenville, South Carolina, 278 00:14:30,828 --> 00:14:31,996 sexual assault and homicide. 279 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,290 Here's the case number and the date of offense." 280 00:14:34,332 --> 00:14:35,333 So, I Googled the date, 281 00:14:35,415 --> 00:14:36,417 and "Greenville, South Carolina," 282 00:14:36,501 --> 00:14:38,211 and of course, this murder pops up on Google. 283 00:14:38,294 --> 00:14:40,671 A woman was found murdered in Greenville County. 284 00:14:40,755 --> 00:14:41,881 She's Jenny Zitricki, 285 00:14:41,964 --> 00:14:45,009 strangled and raped inside her own apartment. 286 00:14:45,093 --> 00:14:46,761 REPORTER 1: Found dead in a bathtub, 287 00:14:46,844 --> 00:14:48,137 the water still running. 288 00:14:48,179 --> 00:14:50,515 INTERVIEWEE: A violent serial rapist and murderer. 289 00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:52,517 ♪ (SINISTER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 290 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,143 DAN: So, that manual search, turns out 291 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:56,187 not only had no one ever asked before, 292 00:14:56,270 --> 00:14:57,980 they got a hit to a serial killer. 293 00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,732 REPORTER 2: Investigators across multiple states 294 00:14:59,816 --> 00:15:03,027 are working to see if the killer may be connected to other cases. 295 00:15:03,111 --> 00:15:05,696 DAN: So, again, you gotta understand, 296 00:15:05,780 --> 00:15:08,908 thousands of men may have this matching "Y" profile. 297 00:15:08,991 --> 00:15:10,243 So, you know, for our case, 298 00:15:10,326 --> 00:15:12,286 we can't just say this guy did it. 299 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:13,663 But I started looking into it. 300 00:15:13,746 --> 00:15:15,915 I got in contact with the Missouri State Police 301 00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:17,792 who had worked on another connected case, 302 00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:20,503 a double murder from I think it was March of '98, 303 00:15:20,545 --> 00:15:23,005 a double homicide in New Madrid. 304 00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:25,007 It's not Muh-drid. It's Mah-drid? 305 00:15:25,091 --> 00:15:26,676 I always say it wrong. 306 00:15:26,717 --> 00:15:30,346 Sherry and Megan Scherer, mother and daughter. 307 00:15:30,388 --> 00:15:32,974 The husband and son had just left 308 00:15:33,057 --> 00:15:34,142 to go into town and do something, 309 00:15:34,225 --> 00:15:36,185 and they came back 30, 40 minutes later. 310 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:38,646 I don't know how he got in, we don't know because... 311 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:40,481 he murdered both of them. 312 00:15:40,523 --> 00:15:43,151 And sexually assaulted Megan, the 12-year-old. 313 00:15:43,234 --> 00:15:44,902 ♪ (SINISTER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 314 00:15:44,986 --> 00:15:47,196 DAN: Two hours after he does that double murder, 315 00:15:47,238 --> 00:15:49,031 he does an attempted home invasion 316 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:50,283 in Dyersburg, Tennessee, 317 00:15:50,366 --> 00:15:53,035 which is only, like, 40 miles away. Same guy. 318 00:15:53,077 --> 00:15:55,538 He tries to force his way into the home of a woman. 319 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:56,873 She's able to, like, keep him out, 320 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:58,583 but he does shoot through the door, 321 00:15:58,665 --> 00:16:00,084 and puts a bullet in her arm. 322 00:16:00,168 --> 00:16:02,879 The same gun used in the Scherer murders in Missouri. 323 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:04,213 -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ -(INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER) 324 00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:06,674 So, he goes, "I've got an entire case file on this guy. 325 00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:08,551 I put everything together because I knew someday, 326 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:10,386 somebody else would be calling." 327 00:16:10,428 --> 00:16:14,849 ♪ (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 328 00:16:18,102 --> 00:16:19,937 DAN: It's hard to get your hopes up in this case, 329 00:16:20,021 --> 00:16:23,107 because there's been so many letdowns at every turn. 330 00:16:25,651 --> 00:16:27,737 You think this case is gonna go a certain way, 331 00:16:27,778 --> 00:16:29,697 and you follow that rabbit hole, 332 00:16:29,780 --> 00:16:31,782 and you're way off topic of where you started. 333 00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:35,286 So, you've just gotta take a step back, 334 00:16:35,369 --> 00:16:37,330 take it all in objectively. 335 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:42,126 BARBARA: It's a lot to ask people 336 00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:45,213 to still be interested in a 34-year-old case. 337 00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:49,175 I have a friend, one of the first people 338 00:16:49,258 --> 00:16:51,636 I called that morning after the murders. 339 00:16:51,719 --> 00:16:55,431 Uh, she and her friend go to the yogurt store 340 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,600 about every anniversary since it happened. 341 00:16:57,683 --> 00:17:00,978 For 34 years, they're there. I quit going years ago. 342 00:17:01,062 --> 00:17:02,271 I was like, "It's too much for me. 343 00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:04,482 I think y'all are nuts." But anyway, they do that. 344 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:06,442 And she said there was a big crowd this year, 345 00:17:06,526 --> 00:17:07,652 bigger than normal. 346 00:17:09,987 --> 00:17:11,280 And I so appreciate... 347 00:17:11,321 --> 00:17:14,617 I do not want anyone to think that I don't appreciate. 348 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:15,826 It's part of my healing, 349 00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:17,954 it's because of the love they've given me. 350 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:19,789 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 351 00:17:19,872 --> 00:17:23,626 But it's not just us. The community needs to heal. 352 00:17:23,709 --> 00:17:25,127 They need to get past that. 353 00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:30,007 ♪ (MOURNERS SINGING INDISTINCTLY) ♪ 354 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:35,471 (CAR WHOOSHING) 355 00:17:35,513 --> 00:17:37,640 NEIL STEGALL: '91, I was in graduate school, 356 00:17:37,723 --> 00:17:39,767 and I was in need of some money, 357 00:17:39,809 --> 00:17:42,061 and I contacted a friend about doing 358 00:17:42,144 --> 00:17:45,356 some reclamation work, which is what the company did. 359 00:17:45,439 --> 00:17:49,527 I got a call from him on December 7th... 360 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:53,239 and he asked me to meet him here at the, uh, 361 00:17:54,031 --> 00:17:55,324 yogurt shop site. 362 00:17:58,411 --> 00:18:00,329 And explained to me that... 363 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:02,873 he was going to be overseeing 364 00:18:02,957 --> 00:18:05,001 the reclamation of property here, 365 00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:07,962 and also the clearing out of the yogurt shop, 366 00:18:08,004 --> 00:18:10,172 which included tearing off all the sheetrock, 367 00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:13,009 and stripping the store completely. 368 00:18:13,092 --> 00:18:18,431 ♪ (GENTLE INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 369 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:23,561 Having a connection to a couple of the girls, 370 00:18:23,644 --> 00:18:26,063 to a sense of connection to the neighborhood... 371 00:18:28,149 --> 00:18:30,318 I decided I could go ahead and do that. 372 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:34,196 And one thing I stipulated 373 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,198 to the people who were going to work there was 374 00:18:36,282 --> 00:18:39,243 that there was going to be no joking... 375 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,579 no foul language. 376 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:45,041 There's enough noise tearing the place down. 377 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:47,293 There's no need for us to add to it. 378 00:18:50,421 --> 00:18:51,547 And it was hard work, 379 00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:53,716 because it wasn't just a store that had burned, 380 00:18:53,758 --> 00:18:57,219 it was a place of tragic death... 381 00:18:59,889 --> 00:19:03,768 which made the work slow in some respects, and... 382 00:19:05,227 --> 00:19:06,979 encouraged us to bring a lot of respect 383 00:19:07,063 --> 00:19:08,189 to doing that work. 384 00:19:10,608 --> 00:19:13,778 And it's a connection to this that I had not anticipated... 385 00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:18,032 but one I stepped into. 386 00:19:20,785 --> 00:19:22,161 And in the end, not reluctantly, 387 00:19:22,244 --> 00:19:24,705 I almost felt like there was something to be done here 388 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:26,123 that was out of honor. 389 00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:31,379 That it not just be some random... 390 00:19:31,462 --> 00:19:35,091 demo crew come in to do the work thoughtlessly, 391 00:19:35,132 --> 00:19:37,426 but it be done with, again, respect. 392 00:19:40,513 --> 00:19:41,514 And... 393 00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:44,475 it was a very profound experience. 394 00:19:44,558 --> 00:19:46,143 Regrettable but profound. 395 00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:00,950 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 396 00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:03,285 ♪ (INTRIGUING PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 397 00:20:03,369 --> 00:20:04,787 DAN: So, I'll back up a little bit 398 00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:07,415 and explain how this guy gets identified. 399 00:20:07,498 --> 00:20:10,209 Back in the '90s, he was always moving around. 400 00:20:10,292 --> 00:20:12,545 He's not in CODIS, 'cause his felonies were 401 00:20:12,628 --> 00:20:15,047 when they weren't collecting DNA back then. 402 00:20:15,131 --> 00:20:16,799 So, he's just running around 403 00:20:16,841 --> 00:20:18,008 committing sexual assault and murders, 404 00:20:18,092 --> 00:20:19,844 and he's an unknown offender. 405 00:20:21,762 --> 00:20:23,097 In the mid-2000s, 406 00:20:23,139 --> 00:20:26,183 agencies start putting their old crimes into CODIS, 407 00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:27,977 and they all start linking up 408 00:20:28,018 --> 00:20:31,856 to one unknown prolific killer and rapist, 409 00:20:31,939 --> 00:20:33,441 but they still don't know who it is. 410 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:38,988 So, you've got this 1990 in South Carolina, 411 00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:41,323 pops to the double in Missouri, 412 00:20:41,365 --> 00:20:44,535 which links with ballistics to Tennessee. 413 00:20:44,618 --> 00:20:47,913 And then '97, Memphis, that DNA goes into CODIS. 414 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:51,584 In the Memphis case, he forces entry into a home. 415 00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:53,169 There's four women. 416 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,378 The women had just gotten home. 417 00:20:54,462 --> 00:20:56,005 They just came in through the door. 418 00:20:56,046 --> 00:20:57,465 So, he saw an opportunity. 419 00:20:57,548 --> 00:20:58,841 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 420 00:20:58,924 --> 00:21:00,676 REPORTER: Police say the man knocked on a door 421 00:21:00,718 --> 00:21:01,844 with four women 422 00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:03,262 and a nine-month-old baby inside. 423 00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:05,806 He asked for help in finding his wife's purse, 424 00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:07,808 used a gun to force his way inside, 425 00:21:07,892 --> 00:21:09,518 then cut the phone lines. 426 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,396 He's able to tie all four of them up... alone. 427 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,899 This was a key element in the rapist's attack. 428 00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:17,985 He used duct tape to tie up the people in the house, 429 00:21:18,027 --> 00:21:20,362 then he raped his youngest victim, 430 00:21:20,404 --> 00:21:22,031 a 14-year-old girl. 431 00:21:22,072 --> 00:21:23,115 MARGARET: 432 00:21:23,199 --> 00:21:24,909 They all lived. He let them all live. 433 00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:27,661 I-- I don't know why. 434 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:31,499 They put out a sketch. 435 00:21:31,582 --> 00:21:33,209 But, you know, think about, this is the '90s. 436 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:35,002 There's no cell phone tower data. 437 00:21:35,085 --> 00:21:36,378 There's no security cameras, 438 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:37,505 there's no license plate readers. 439 00:21:37,546 --> 00:21:39,632 There's no 24/7 social media coverage 440 00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:41,050 like there is now. 441 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:43,052 If it was easy, these cases would be solved. 442 00:21:43,135 --> 00:21:46,722 But between 2006 and 2017, they went cold. 443 00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:51,977 JOHN WALSH: This is Jenny Zitricki's actual diary. 444 00:21:52,061 --> 00:21:53,103 Names, places, 445 00:21:53,187 --> 00:21:55,147 lots of things that she was doing. 446 00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:57,566 Until it ends right here, the 4th, 447 00:21:57,608 --> 00:21:59,235 -that's when she was murdered. -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 448 00:21:59,276 --> 00:22:01,862 And who knows if one of the names in this diary 449 00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:03,405 had anything to do with it? 450 00:22:03,447 --> 00:22:04,615 This is the mirror that was hanging 451 00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:05,866 over Jenny's dresser. 452 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,326 The killer left a message on it. 453 00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:08,869 "Don't 'F' with my family." 454 00:22:08,953 --> 00:22:10,579 It was a personal message to her. 455 00:22:10,621 --> 00:22:12,498 WALSH: So, you think it's somebody she might know. 456 00:22:12,581 --> 00:22:14,208 And you're saying, "Keep an open mind, 457 00:22:14,291 --> 00:22:16,335 this could be a red herring to throw cops off." 458 00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:17,586 That's right. 459 00:22:17,628 --> 00:22:21,048 DAN: And so, 2018, this is right at the advent 460 00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:22,508 of genetic genealogy. 461 00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:24,718 REPORTER 1: An alleged serial killer tracked down 462 00:22:24,802 --> 00:22:26,679 through a genealogy database. 463 00:22:26,762 --> 00:22:28,264 DAN: The Golden State Killer was solved with it 464 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,432 like a year before. So, that's a brand-new thing. 465 00:22:30,516 --> 00:22:33,435 REPORTER 2: Investigators used publicly shared DNA data 466 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,980 to track down the suspected Golden State Killer. 467 00:22:36,063 --> 00:22:38,065 REPORTER 3: Using DNA from crime scenes 468 00:22:38,148 --> 00:22:39,650 decades ago, which they submitted 469 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:42,069 to a publicly shared genealogy website 470 00:22:42,111 --> 00:22:44,280 -called GEDmatch. -REPORTER 4: Allegedly responsible 471 00:22:44,321 --> 00:22:46,073 for 12 murders, 50 rapes, 472 00:22:46,156 --> 00:22:48,325 and more than 100 burglaries in California. 473 00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:49,994 DAN: The guys from Missouri, 474 00:22:50,077 --> 00:22:51,620 Tennessee, and South Carolina said, 475 00:22:51,662 --> 00:22:53,956 "We have enough DNA, maybe we can do that." 476 00:22:53,998 --> 00:22:55,624 And they reached out to Parabon Labs. 477 00:22:55,666 --> 00:22:59,795 So, I'm gonna build these trees back to great-grandparents. 478 00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:01,797 DAN: They developed a genealogical profile 479 00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:03,674 to get some distant relatives. 480 00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:06,385 And then that's when you start building out those family trees 481 00:23:06,468 --> 00:23:08,804 and seeing where they converge. 482 00:23:08,846 --> 00:23:10,973 And that's your potential suspect. 483 00:23:11,015 --> 00:23:13,684 -♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(KEYBOARD CLICKING) 484 00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:15,519 CECE MOORE: This was kind of the start of it all. 485 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:17,938 This was what opened the door 486 00:23:18,022 --> 00:23:20,858 for the rest of these cases in 2018. 487 00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:23,152 Instead of an exact match 488 00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:24,945 like they're looking for in CODIS, 489 00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:26,655 we are looking for relatives. 490 00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:28,949 And usually, they're very distant relatives. 491 00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:31,452 Partial matches. 492 00:23:31,535 --> 00:23:34,914 These are the potential contributor of this DNA. 493 00:23:36,290 --> 00:23:39,501 When I researched one of these potential matches, 494 00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:41,420 I found this article. 495 00:23:43,047 --> 00:23:46,842 This guy was convicted of attempted murder and rape 496 00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:49,845 in 1985 in Florida. 497 00:23:49,887 --> 00:23:53,557 He immediately jumped out at me. So, I dug more deeply. 498 00:23:53,641 --> 00:23:56,727 I found his daughter's Facebook page. 499 00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:58,562 I saw a man in the picture 500 00:23:58,646 --> 00:24:03,150 who looked so similar to those sketches. 501 00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,861 And not only did it look like him, but I thought 502 00:24:05,903 --> 00:24:09,198 he had the same hat and the same glasses. 503 00:24:09,239 --> 00:24:13,410 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 504 00:24:13,494 --> 00:24:15,996 DAN: So, this is a good candidate 505 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,289 because of his history. 506 00:24:18,832 --> 00:24:21,543 He was sentenced to 12 years but he got paroled in '89. 507 00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:22,878 So, he's out in '90. 508 00:24:23,921 --> 00:24:25,255 But he was deceased. 509 00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:28,342 And he was buried in Arkansas. 510 00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:31,387 And so, they got a judge's order, 511 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:32,596 and they dug him up... 512 00:24:34,765 --> 00:24:36,016 put it in to CODIS, 513 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,644 and he was a perfect match for all those crimes 514 00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:39,812 we just talked about. 515 00:24:39,895 --> 00:24:42,398 (OVERLAPPING NEWS REPORTS) 516 00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:44,692 REPORTER: Robert Eugene Brashers. 517 00:24:46,694 --> 00:24:50,823 The unknown DNA profile collected from Jenny's body 518 00:24:50,906 --> 00:24:52,616 and from all the others 519 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,827 belonged to the deceased subject, 520 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:58,789 now confirmed to be Robert Eugene Brashers, 521 00:24:58,872 --> 00:25:02,584 a 40-year-old man from Paragould, Arkansas. 522 00:25:03,877 --> 00:25:06,213 DAN: All these cases were solved in 2018. 523 00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:08,215 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -DAN: Now, for our case, 524 00:25:08,257 --> 00:25:10,092 I get all this information from these guys, 525 00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:12,094 and I'm like, "All right, this is probably our guy." 526 00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:16,598 I mean, Robert Brashers had the same Y-STR, at 27 for 27, 527 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,309 with the same make and model gun as in Kentucky. 528 00:25:19,393 --> 00:25:20,436 And he's a serial killer, 529 00:25:20,477 --> 00:25:22,312 with very similar MO as the yogurt shop. 530 00:25:22,396 --> 00:25:24,231 Like, "All right, this is our guy, 531 00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:26,692 but we're not 100 percent." 532 00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:28,986 ♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 533 00:25:29,069 --> 00:25:31,113 DAN: What if this is as good as it gets? 534 00:25:31,155 --> 00:25:32,531 How would I build-- 535 00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:34,450 Essentially, at the end of the day, 536 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:37,286 it's still a circumstantial case. 537 00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:40,622 We need to make sure that we are 100 percent. 538 00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:43,500 Because somebody went to death row, and, you know, 539 00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:45,669 we're basically overturning 34 years of work, 540 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:48,922 do we have enough to call it? 541 00:25:51,341 --> 00:25:52,801 LISA DAVIS: At this time, I'd like to introduce 542 00:25:52,843 --> 00:25:53,969 Detective Dan Jackson, 543 00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:55,554 the lead investigator of this case. 544 00:25:56,597 --> 00:25:58,015 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 545 00:25:58,098 --> 00:26:00,309 Good morning, everyone. My name is Daniel Jackson. 546 00:26:00,392 --> 00:26:01,643 I'm the lead detective, like she said, 547 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:04,521 and I've been on the case since 2022. 548 00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:05,689 Um... 549 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,649 So, I'm gonna walk y'all through 550 00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:09,151 how we got to where we are today. 551 00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:11,737 I'll start with a brief overview of the history of the case, 552 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:14,198 and take you back to December 6th, 1991. 553 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:16,617 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC BUILDS) ♪ 554 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,160 DAN: As you can see, it appears to be 555 00:26:18,202 --> 00:26:20,287 just your everyday middle America retail space 556 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:21,371 in a strip mall. 557 00:26:23,582 --> 00:26:25,584 The customers would be there in the front. 558 00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:29,046 And then in the back is where the fire was started, 559 00:26:29,129 --> 00:26:31,131 and the girls' bodies were discovered. 560 00:26:32,841 --> 00:26:35,094 Sarah, Eliza, and Jennifer were together, 561 00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:38,180 and Amy was a little bit closer to the front. 562 00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:40,057 There was evidence of sexual assault. 563 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:42,184 All four had been shot in the head 564 00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:43,602 with a .22 caliber pistol. 565 00:26:43,685 --> 00:26:46,647 And Amy was also shot with a .380 pistol. 566 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:48,524 The original ballistics report said 567 00:26:48,565 --> 00:26:50,776 that in all probability, the weapon used 568 00:26:50,859 --> 00:26:54,363 was an AMT-brand Backup model .380. 569 00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:56,782 That's an AMT semi-automatic .380, 570 00:26:56,865 --> 00:26:58,575 and the model is a Backup model. 571 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:01,078 There was one confession 572 00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:02,830 from a juvenile named Maurice Pierce. 573 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:05,541 Eight days after the murders, 574 00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:06,875 Pierce was at Northcross Mall 575 00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:09,128 with his friend named Forrest Welborn. 576 00:27:09,211 --> 00:27:11,713 He was carrying a .22 pistol in his waistband. 577 00:27:11,755 --> 00:27:13,549 He was arrested and taken to the homicide office 578 00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:15,801 where he was interrogated by Detective Hector Polanco. 579 00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:19,888 (OVER RECORDING) 580 00:27:20,597 --> 00:27:23,100 In 1999, Pierce, Forrest Welborn, 581 00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:24,935 Robert Springsteen, and Michael Scott 582 00:27:25,018 --> 00:27:26,562 were re-interrogated. 583 00:27:26,603 --> 00:27:27,855 They were able to get confessions 584 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:29,606 from Robert Springsteen and Michael Scott. 585 00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:31,441 MICHAEL SCOTT: 586 00:27:32,442 --> 00:27:33,944 RON LARA: 587 00:27:34,027 --> 00:27:35,904 DAN: Michael Scott received life without parole, 588 00:27:35,946 --> 00:27:38,198 and Robert Springsteen received the death penalty. 589 00:27:38,282 --> 00:27:39,616 While they're appealing their conviction, 590 00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:41,618 a landmark Supreme Court case comes out. 591 00:27:41,702 --> 00:27:43,412 The Texas Court of Criminal Appeal granted 592 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:45,080 a new trial for Springsteen and Scott. 593 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:47,249 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -No comment right now, please. 594 00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:48,959 DAN: By this time, we had a new DNA technology 595 00:27:49,042 --> 00:27:50,586 called Y-STR testing. 596 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:52,087 All four of the original suspects 597 00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:53,922 -were excluded from this profile. -(CROWD CHEERING) 598 00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:56,133 -ONLOOKER: Welcome home, guys! -DAN: The charges were dropped. 599 00:27:56,216 --> 00:27:57,551 Then over the next several years, 600 00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,469 hundreds of reference samples were collected. 601 00:27:59,553 --> 00:28:02,264 First responders, family, friends, associates. 602 00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:04,766 I think we tested three or four hundred different people 603 00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:07,060 in this case over the years. 604 00:28:07,102 --> 00:28:09,771 Just recently, we reached out to all labs in the country 605 00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:11,481 that do Y-STR typing, 606 00:28:11,565 --> 00:28:12,816 and asked if they could manually search 607 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,484 against our unknown profile. 608 00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:16,320 We got a hit. 609 00:28:16,403 --> 00:28:19,239 A sexual assault and murder from 1990 610 00:28:19,323 --> 00:28:21,408 out of Greenville, South Carolina. 611 00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:23,493 This was the profile that they had. 612 00:28:23,577 --> 00:28:25,287 "Robert Eugene Brashers." 613 00:28:25,329 --> 00:28:28,665 -(AUDIENCE MURMURING) -♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 614 00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:34,421 His Y-STR has been found in the following three places. 615 00:28:34,463 --> 00:28:35,631 This is three sexual assault kits 616 00:28:35,672 --> 00:28:36,840 of those young girls. 617 00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:48,727 It's hard to be 100 percent with just a Y-STR. 618 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:50,479 So, we're trying to figure out how to get from, 619 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,397 "We're pretty sure it's him" to, "We know it's him." 620 00:28:53,357 --> 00:28:54,483 We start researching Brashers, 621 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,652 figure out what he's doing around this time, where he's at. 622 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,654 December 8th, 1991, 623 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:00,906 less than 48 hours after yogurt shop, 624 00:29:00,989 --> 00:29:03,659 Robert Brashers is stopped at a Border Patrol checkpoint 625 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:06,870 going westbound on I-10 between El Paso and Las Cruces. 626 00:29:07,704 --> 00:29:09,206 It was a random cold stop, 627 00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:10,916 just like any time you go through a border checkpoint, 628 00:29:10,999 --> 00:29:13,210 except the Border Patrol agent realized something was up. 629 00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:15,337 He didn't like the way Mr. Brashers was answering, 630 00:29:15,379 --> 00:29:16,463 ran his plate, and it showed it 631 00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:18,632 to be a stolen car out of Georgia. 632 00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:20,801 It was-- had been stolen on November 29th. 633 00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:22,928 During this interaction, 634 00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:24,888 he was also in possession of a .380 pistol. 635 00:29:24,972 --> 00:29:26,348 (AUDIENCE MURMURING) 636 00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:30,519 DAN: That .380 pistol was an AMT Backup model. 637 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,312 It was the same make and model identified by ballistics 638 00:29:32,396 --> 00:29:34,314 as the weapon used in the yogurt shop. 639 00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:37,192 So, he was westbound, leaving Texas 640 00:29:37,276 --> 00:29:39,695 with an AMT .380 Backup model 641 00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:41,238 less than 48 hours later. 642 00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:43,699 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 643 00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:46,743 So, we took additional items to DNA Labs International. 644 00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:49,871 Now, these items have been previously tested in years past. 645 00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:51,206 They were preserved of, 646 00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:53,417 "Maybe someday we could do something with this, 647 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,086 but we can't today, we'd just be wasting the DNA." 648 00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:57,421 We don't think we're ever gonna be able 649 00:29:57,504 --> 00:30:00,048 to get enough DNA for a CODIS upload. 650 00:30:00,090 --> 00:30:03,218 Well, we don't necessarily need to upload to search. 651 00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:05,137 We just need enough DNA to compare. 652 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:07,681 So, we need enough STR markers to do a direct comparison 653 00:30:07,764 --> 00:30:10,017 from our crime scene to Robert Brashers. 654 00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:12,227 And this was gonna be it. 655 00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:14,146 We were pushing all of our chips on the table with this. 656 00:30:14,229 --> 00:30:15,731 This was gonna be the last shot effort. 657 00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:17,691 But we were pretty confident with the technology 658 00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:20,652 and the circumstances that this was gonna be pay dirt. 659 00:30:22,696 --> 00:30:25,574 One of the things we retested was Amy's fingernail clippings 660 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:27,242 from the autopsy. 661 00:30:27,284 --> 00:30:28,910 They were able to get quite a bit of DNA 662 00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:30,078 out of Amy's fingernail clippings, 663 00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:31,747 and it was directly compared to Brashers, 664 00:30:31,788 --> 00:30:34,791 and it matched, so that it's two-and-a-half million to one 665 00:30:34,875 --> 00:30:36,251 that it's likely Robert Brashers' 666 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:37,586 underneath Amy's fingernails 667 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:39,254 than it is to an unknown individual. 668 00:30:39,296 --> 00:30:42,090 ♪ (SOMBER STRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 669 00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:43,592 DAN: At this point, there's no physical evidence 670 00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:45,927 that links Springsteen, Scott, Pierce, or Welborn 671 00:30:45,969 --> 00:30:48,096 to the yogurt shop crime scene. There's no evidence 672 00:30:48,138 --> 00:30:49,431 that connects the previous four suspects 673 00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:51,141 with Robert Eugene Brashers either. 674 00:30:51,224 --> 00:30:53,435 The surviving victims of Brashers' violence 675 00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:55,937 always reported he was alone when he acted. 676 00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:57,773 He never is known to have an accomplice. 677 00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,983 (AUDIENCE MURMURING) 678 00:31:00,067 --> 00:31:01,651 DAN: Now, I just wanna reiterate 679 00:31:01,735 --> 00:31:04,446 that this is a combination of technology, 680 00:31:04,529 --> 00:31:06,239 good police work from multiple agencies 681 00:31:06,323 --> 00:31:08,367 and cooperation, and timing. 682 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:12,120 This is something that could not have happened until 2025. 683 00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:15,332 And I'm sorry that it took 34 years for us to get here, 684 00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:19,836 but we're here now... and, you know... 685 00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:23,673 Amy's final moments on this Earth 686 00:31:23,757 --> 00:31:25,467 were to solve this case for us. 687 00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:27,177 It's because of her fighting back. 688 00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:29,304 T-- Thank you. 689 00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:33,600 -(AUDIENCE MURMURING) -♪ (SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 690 00:31:51,076 --> 00:31:55,914 Have we been able to explain why Brashers was here in Austin? 691 00:31:55,997 --> 00:31:57,999 No, we don't know why he was in Austin. 692 00:31:58,041 --> 00:31:59,501 We have found no connection. 693 00:31:59,543 --> 00:32:01,711 We're still searching for that answer. 694 00:32:01,795 --> 00:32:03,672 Just about how techniques and technology 695 00:32:03,713 --> 00:32:04,756 has changed since then 696 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,508 to make sure we're not in a situation like this 697 00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,553 where four people get wrongly accused early on, 698 00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:10,929 and then we find, you know, 699 00:32:11,012 --> 00:32:13,265 a potential real suspect decades later. 700 00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,809 No cases are going to be closed 701 00:32:15,892 --> 00:32:18,353 solely based off of confession. We need other evidence for that. 702 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:19,646 And so that has changed, 703 00:32:19,688 --> 00:32:21,356 and things have changed since then. 704 00:32:21,398 --> 00:32:22,816 I took the approach of, 705 00:32:22,899 --> 00:32:24,276 "I'm not gonna listen to the confessions." 706 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:25,861 I've never listened to them. 707 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:28,029 I've never read 'em, the transcripts. 708 00:32:28,071 --> 00:32:30,699 And the first time I heard any footage 709 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:33,535 from the confessions was the HBO documentary. 710 00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:36,079 Because my point of view is I don't know, 711 00:32:36,163 --> 00:32:38,081 but I'll go where the evidence leads me. 712 00:32:39,833 --> 00:32:42,752 Are there likely other cases like this in Texas? 713 00:32:42,836 --> 00:32:45,130 I mean, he's already been in South Carolina, 714 00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:46,548 Tennessee, Missouri. 715 00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:49,092 Is it likely, and are you looking for that? 716 00:32:49,176 --> 00:32:50,510 DAN: So, I would say it is likely 717 00:32:50,594 --> 00:32:51,928 there are other victims out there, 718 00:32:52,012 --> 00:32:54,389 because of what we know of him, when he was not in prison, 719 00:32:54,431 --> 00:32:56,057 he was committing heinous crimes. 720 00:32:56,099 --> 00:32:57,893 Last week, we knew of three murders. 721 00:32:57,976 --> 00:32:59,102 This week, we know of eight. 722 00:32:59,186 --> 00:33:00,604 To say there's not a nine or ten, 723 00:33:00,687 --> 00:33:03,148 I'm sure there are, and we will be working on that. 724 00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:05,025 Do you believe that justice has been served, 725 00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:06,776 or there's still some more work to go? 726 00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:17,579 -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 727 00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:19,581 MIKE GRAHAM: New analysis saying 728 00:33:19,623 --> 00:33:23,460 the .380 shell casing found at the murder scene 729 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:25,712 is a big part of this breakthrough. 730 00:33:25,795 --> 00:33:28,173 It's linked to a gun that Brashers had 731 00:33:28,256 --> 00:33:30,759 after a chase with authorities near El Paso. 732 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,969 -(INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE) -GRAHAM: There is no DNA evidence that links 733 00:33:33,053 --> 00:33:35,096 any of those original suspects to the murders. 734 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:36,348 ERIN MORIARTY: You're feeling pretty good 735 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:37,933 about putting that shirt back on. 736 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:41,269 I did. I didn't get it out in 1999. 737 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:43,021 I heard the words I wanted to hear. 738 00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:45,732 -ERIN: You did? -Yeah, that... 739 00:33:46,816 --> 00:33:49,778 the last four weren't involved. 740 00:33:49,861 --> 00:33:52,656 It ain't about the confessions, it's about the evidence. 741 00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:55,116 But I lived to see this day. 742 00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:57,285 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 743 00:33:57,369 --> 00:34:00,747 We are so happy that what we did there... 744 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:02,123 -Yeah. -...helped you guys, 745 00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:03,166 get you some answers. 746 00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:05,335 What we get coming out of this is, 747 00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:07,629 just like when we solved our cases, 748 00:34:07,671 --> 00:34:09,130 the team that came out of that, 749 00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:11,550 and now, Austin PD is part of that team. 750 00:34:11,632 --> 00:34:13,134 So, when the next one comes up, 751 00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:15,136 -and I think there'll be a next one. -Yeah. 752 00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:16,221 -Yes, there will be. -Good. 753 00:34:16,304 --> 00:34:18,514 And this team will carry forward, 754 00:34:18,598 --> 00:34:19,558 and help those people. 755 00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:21,560 So, it just keeps building momentum. 756 00:34:22,851 --> 00:34:24,353 CARLOS GARCIA: It's a strange feeling. 757 00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:26,690 It's a certain sadness. 758 00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:32,445 The loss never goes away for those families. 759 00:34:33,196 --> 00:34:35,197 You also need to now look at 760 00:34:35,282 --> 00:34:38,909 how does such a horrific investigative failure occur. 761 00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:42,246 These families have suffered because of that. 762 00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:44,498 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 763 00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:46,042 CARLOS: My other thought is that 764 00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:48,795 there's actually eight victims here. 765 00:34:48,878 --> 00:34:51,422 There's eight victims, and another one of those 766 00:34:51,505 --> 00:34:53,507 lost his life, Maurice Pierce. 767 00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:55,635 You know, I just hope there's-- a day comes 768 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,053 when there's another press conference 769 00:34:57,137 --> 00:34:59,848 when they put the pictures of those four boys, 770 00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:02,517 and explain how they're gonna compensate them. 771 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:04,644 (CHATTER FADES) 772 00:35:04,728 --> 00:35:07,731 ♪ (SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 773 00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:26,416 JONES: There's not a whole lot that's the same from 1991. 774 00:35:30,003 --> 00:35:32,130 Jeez, more condos. 775 00:35:35,425 --> 00:35:36,760 Everything's changed. 776 00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:41,222 Well, I feel like... 777 00:35:42,223 --> 00:35:45,185 all of us there at the original crime scene... 778 00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:49,814 our efforts were validated. 779 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:53,735 We didn't process the scene 780 00:35:53,777 --> 00:35:58,031 according to 2000 or 2010 standards. 781 00:35:58,114 --> 00:36:01,117 We processed it to 1991 standards, 782 00:36:01,701 --> 00:36:03,119 and went beyond that. 783 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:05,747 We did the best we could do 784 00:36:05,789 --> 00:36:08,249 based on what we had in place then. 785 00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,086 (SIGHS) 786 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,421 ♪ (SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 787 00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:16,257 JONES: Turns out, maybe we could have solved it 788 00:36:16,299 --> 00:36:20,845 if Border Patrol had read the teletype we sent out. 789 00:36:20,929 --> 00:36:23,431 We said we were looking for a .22, 790 00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:27,602 and an AMT .380 Backup. 791 00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:30,689 But it just wasn't meant to be, I guess. 792 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:39,197 -♪ (MUSIC TURNS OMINOUS) ♪ -(INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE) 793 00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:41,282 BOB: I went numb. 794 00:36:42,992 --> 00:36:44,077 It was shocking. 795 00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:47,247 A serial killer, really? 796 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:49,207 It was... 797 00:36:50,875 --> 00:36:54,087 it was still a little hard to realize. 798 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:55,338 Pure evil. 799 00:36:58,258 --> 00:36:59,342 He went in there. 800 00:37:00,176 --> 00:37:01,970 His concern was no money. 801 00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:05,724 He was not on drugs. He was not on alcohol. 802 00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:09,310 He was in, more or less, his right mind, and... 803 00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:12,522 he just-- he just liked to kill. 804 00:37:13,690 --> 00:37:16,818 I understood a robbery going bad possibly, 805 00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:18,486 something like that, 806 00:37:18,528 --> 00:37:21,156 but for someone to go in 807 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,950 with that mindset is hard for me to... 808 00:37:24,534 --> 00:37:25,994 to accept... 809 00:37:26,035 --> 00:37:28,496 that we have people like that. 810 00:37:28,538 --> 00:37:29,914 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 811 00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:38,840 MIKE WARE: On February the 19th, 812 00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:40,425 the judge has set a hearing. 813 00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:43,136 We'll be filing a motion 814 00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:46,222 that the state will join in 815 00:37:46,306 --> 00:37:50,560 to declare that he is actually innocent, 816 00:37:50,643 --> 00:37:52,228 and that he is exonerated, 817 00:37:52,312 --> 00:37:54,522 and the judge will officially declare that 818 00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:56,941 and sign an order reflecting all that. 819 00:37:57,025 --> 00:38:01,738 Uh, we will support that with evidence, 820 00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:03,615 making it very clear to the world 821 00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:05,533 and for the record, they're innocent, 822 00:38:05,575 --> 00:38:08,953 and that that is true not just beyond a reasonable doubt, 823 00:38:09,037 --> 00:38:10,497 but to a moral certainty. 824 00:38:11,748 --> 00:38:13,374 Um... 825 00:38:13,416 --> 00:38:16,002 I would like for it to be a part of this hearing 826 00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:17,879 of what went wrong. 827 00:38:17,962 --> 00:38:20,840 An airplane crashes, you know, the FFA moves in 828 00:38:20,924 --> 00:38:22,884 and does an extensive investigation. 829 00:38:22,926 --> 00:38:24,636 But I think this is analogous to that. 830 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,557 This whole horrible, tragic scenario, event... 831 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:34,854 has been like a-- a horrible airplane crash. 832 00:38:34,938 --> 00:38:39,609 There's a huge injustice here that needs to be corrected. 833 00:38:41,903 --> 00:38:44,864 ♪ (EMOTIONAL INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 834 00:38:44,948 --> 00:38:46,741 KIMBERLI PIERCE: We met at Lamar Middle School. 835 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:49,327 We were 13 and 14. 836 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:53,289 We dated, really, ever since. 837 00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:58,211 You know, we had her young. 838 00:38:59,963 --> 00:39:03,174 We got married when we were 21 and 22. 839 00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:08,054 Shortly after that, that's when all of this happened. 840 00:39:08,137 --> 00:39:10,765 I was 23 and he was 24 when he got picked up. 841 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:12,642 -(POLICE SIREN WAILING) -(INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER) 842 00:39:12,725 --> 00:39:15,353 -(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) -KIMBERLI: October 6th, 1999. 843 00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:16,771 They had SWAT there. 844 00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:19,274 I was basically in a nightgown when I came out, 845 00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:20,817 'cause I heard all the commotion. 846 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:21,985 REPORTER 1: After nearly eight years, 847 00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:23,444 police have arrested four suspects. 848 00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:25,488 -KIMBERLI: It just didn't seem real. -REPORTER 2: Maurice Pierce... 849 00:39:25,572 --> 00:39:28,283 You really think that if there's no evidence, 850 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:29,826 this doesn't happen. 851 00:39:29,909 --> 00:39:31,870 REPORTER 3: Pierce's wife didn't wanna talk. 852 00:39:31,953 --> 00:39:34,289 -REPORTER 4: About your husband? About your husband? -No comment. No comment. 853 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:35,790 REPORTER 5: Their investigation has ended... 854 00:39:35,874 --> 00:39:37,083 KIMBERLI: I sent her to school. 855 00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:40,253 Her principal called me, because the news showed up 856 00:39:40,336 --> 00:39:42,714 at her school, her elementary school. 857 00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:46,175 So, I knew then I needed to not be sending her to school. 858 00:39:46,259 --> 00:39:49,470 And then everything changed. I had to be available for court. 859 00:39:49,554 --> 00:39:51,514 I couldn't really work. 860 00:39:51,598 --> 00:39:53,308 INTERVIEWEE: We can hopefully finally begin... 861 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,852 KIMBERLI: I really think that he thought he would go, 862 00:39:55,935 --> 00:39:58,313 and they would let him out. 863 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:01,691 He wouldn't be spending three and a half years in jail 864 00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:03,067 waiting on trial. 865 00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:04,652 ♪ (MUSIC TURNS TENSE) ♪ 866 00:40:04,736 --> 00:40:06,696 KIMBERLI: They kept him in solitary confinement 867 00:40:06,779 --> 00:40:07,739 for two years. 868 00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:10,283 So, he was out one hour a day, 869 00:40:10,366 --> 00:40:11,993 and that's when he would call me. 870 00:40:12,035 --> 00:40:13,369 He didn't see sunlight 871 00:40:13,453 --> 00:40:15,663 except for when he got to go to court. 872 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:19,375 The light in his eyes went away. 873 00:40:19,459 --> 00:40:22,545 They changed colors, and they didn't ever go back. 874 00:40:22,629 --> 00:40:25,214 They kind of were a dull gray to me. 875 00:40:25,298 --> 00:40:28,426 He used to have really bright, pretty blue eyes. 876 00:40:28,509 --> 00:40:31,846 It was just not the same. He was not the same. 877 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,390 She lost her childhood 878 00:40:34,474 --> 00:40:37,018 at the age of seven when her dad got picked up. 879 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:39,312 Even she changed. 880 00:40:39,395 --> 00:40:40,688 REPORTER: Are you excited to see your daughter? 881 00:40:40,772 --> 00:40:41,773 MAURICE PIERCE: When I was arrested, 882 00:40:41,856 --> 00:40:43,274 I proclaimed that I was innocent 883 00:40:43,358 --> 00:40:45,068 of all the charges that were filed against me, 884 00:40:45,151 --> 00:40:47,362 and I am standing here today with that same proclamation. 885 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:48,988 MARISA PIERCE: He didn't get to see this day. 886 00:40:49,072 --> 00:40:50,740 -♪ (SOMBER PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -He didn't get to... 887 00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:54,202 let the world know that he was innocent all along. 888 00:40:54,285 --> 00:40:55,703 RONNIE EARLE: We do not have the evidence 889 00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:57,330 to convict him right now, 890 00:40:57,413 --> 00:40:58,831 but life is long. 891 00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:01,209 MARISA: In the news, it's like a blip, "Oh, he was in for three years." 892 00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:04,170 But it was constant darkness, 893 00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:06,089 and then he got out, 894 00:41:06,172 --> 00:41:09,801 and it was just a constant battle of the cloud, 895 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:11,886 and of overcoming, and... 896 00:41:11,928 --> 00:41:13,054 ...ask for dismissal of the cases 897 00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:15,014 pending further investigation. 898 00:41:21,604 --> 00:41:25,024 Our focus continues on our suspects at hand. 899 00:41:25,108 --> 00:41:27,068 There is no question that these suspects 900 00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:30,238 are still the focus of our investigation. 901 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,073 KIMBERLI: To have to live with that, 902 00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:33,574 I mean, that stayed on his record, 903 00:41:33,658 --> 00:41:37,578 pending further investigation for four murders. 904 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:39,914 ♪ (DARK PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 905 00:41:39,956 --> 00:41:43,751 I really feel like they went after him, 906 00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:45,461 and just never let up. 907 00:41:45,545 --> 00:41:47,672 (POLICE SIRENS WAILING) 908 00:41:47,755 --> 00:41:50,967 -KIMBERLI: He was always very scared of the police. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 909 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:52,760 KIMBERLI: He thought they were always gonna get him 910 00:41:52,802 --> 00:41:54,429 for these murders. 911 00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:56,681 And they did. In the end, they did. 912 00:41:56,764 --> 00:41:58,891 POLICE OFFICER: The officer managed to fire 913 00:41:58,975 --> 00:42:01,185 a single round that did strike the suspect. 914 00:42:01,269 --> 00:42:05,732 -It just doesn't feel like it's real justice. -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 915 00:42:05,773 --> 00:42:09,944 And I wanna be respectful to everybody, but... 916 00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:13,031 my dad will never come back. 917 00:42:14,323 --> 00:42:17,493 It's a little too late... for him. 918 00:42:23,041 --> 00:42:27,045 (INDISTINCT CHATTER, LAUGHTER) 919 00:42:27,128 --> 00:42:28,796 -CHILD: Look, there's Eliza. -(AUCTIONEER BID CALLING RAPIDLY) 920 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,466 ...seventy-five, all done. Seven seventy-five, 375. 921 00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:33,301 Three-fifty... (CONTINUES RAPID BID CALLING) 922 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:37,305 To me, FFA is a place... 923 00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:38,556 Well, it... 924 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:40,725 ♪ (SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 925 00:42:40,808 --> 00:42:42,310 BOB: Right now, I see her on 926 00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:44,103 her little cutting horse stallion, 927 00:42:44,187 --> 00:42:45,188 cutting a cow... 928 00:42:45,938 --> 00:42:47,023 on a horse. 929 00:42:52,361 --> 00:42:54,739 PAM: Those girls are still with us. 930 00:42:56,657 --> 00:42:58,076 -GIRL: Hi! -MAN: Hi! 931 00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,827 -Hi! (BLOWS KISS) -(MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 932 00:42:59,869 --> 00:43:01,662 BARBARA: My memories of them, 933 00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:03,414 they fade, you know. 934 00:43:03,498 --> 00:43:05,416 They've been gone so long. 935 00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:08,294 But they'll always be little girls to me. 936 00:43:08,377 --> 00:43:12,799 I still laugh about things that they said or did, and... 937 00:43:12,882 --> 00:43:16,010 -they were funny. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 938 00:43:16,886 --> 00:43:22,225 MARGARET: 939 00:43:25,019 --> 00:43:27,188 -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ -(INHALES SHARPLY) 940 00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:29,398 No, I'm not counting the days anymore. 941 00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:31,734 It's-- It's over. 942 00:43:33,986 --> 00:43:40,034 MARGARET: 943 00:43:40,076 --> 00:43:41,953 -(BREATHES SHAKILY) -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) 944 00:43:42,036 --> 00:43:43,704 I don't know, it's... 945 00:43:43,788 --> 00:43:47,250 I'm still such in kind of a numb feeling. 946 00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:50,211 I think the certainty, just knowing, 947 00:43:50,253 --> 00:43:52,463 is-- does help me, yes. 948 00:43:52,964 --> 00:43:54,549 Um... 949 00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:58,052 Even... There's evidence, hard evidence, 950 00:43:58,136 --> 00:44:02,390 where before we didn't have all that hard evidence 951 00:44:02,431 --> 00:44:04,934 to work off of. 952 00:44:05,017 --> 00:44:09,272 And to me, that is a big factor, you know? 953 00:44:10,606 --> 00:44:11,649 It's the end. 954 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:13,985 The end of wondering. 955 00:44:15,027 --> 00:44:16,028 Like, if you're walking around, 956 00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,364 like, with your shoulders to your ears 957 00:44:18,447 --> 00:44:20,908 for 30 years, all of a sudden, you get to relax. 958 00:44:20,992 --> 00:44:22,451 That's a different feeling. 959 00:44:22,535 --> 00:44:24,745 I guess the stress or the wonderment, 960 00:44:25,288 --> 00:44:26,622 the "I don't know..." 961 00:44:27,331 --> 00:44:28,583 is no more. 962 00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:32,920 I was still in shock for a day or two, 963 00:44:33,004 --> 00:44:34,797 and it was probably a week later 964 00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:37,133 that I finally dealt with the fact 965 00:44:37,216 --> 00:44:40,386 that my heart was opened up more, 966 00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:41,762 and I didn't know it was closed. 967 00:44:41,846 --> 00:44:43,347 I thought I had done a really good job 968 00:44:43,431 --> 00:44:45,600 of working through this, and getting through this, 969 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:48,060 but this changed my heart, 970 00:44:48,644 --> 00:44:49,645 and I... 971 00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:52,315 I can't tell you how grateful. 972 00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:54,859 Grateful. So much gratitude. 973 00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:57,778 I wasn't expecting that at all from this-- 974 00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:59,488 Uh, but I got that. 975 00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:01,991 That's so good. 976 00:45:02,074 --> 00:45:03,951 Such a good thing to get, 977 00:45:03,993 --> 00:45:06,204 'cause so many people never get that. 978 00:45:07,163 --> 00:45:10,291 But we-- we did. We got the closure. 979 00:45:10,333 --> 00:45:13,419 That terrible "closure" word that nobody likes to use. 980 00:45:13,502 --> 00:45:15,421 And we got it. 981 00:45:15,504 --> 00:45:17,590 We got that and... 982 00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:22,678 That's... My life is good. My life is good. 983 00:45:22,762 --> 00:45:25,097 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 984 00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:29,143 Every year, then I've gone out, 985 00:45:29,227 --> 00:45:30,811 and I've taken care of the girls' headstones. 986 00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:32,688 I'm going to this year. 987 00:45:32,772 --> 00:45:34,690 But I'm so at peace that I'm ready... 988 00:45:36,108 --> 00:45:37,693 I'm ready to go on with my life, 989 00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:39,987 and have some fun, 990 00:45:40,071 --> 00:45:41,906 and do some things that I wanna do. 991 00:45:42,865 --> 00:45:44,700 And they're so at peace, it just... 992 00:45:44,784 --> 00:45:46,244 I can just feel Amy... 993 00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:49,330 wanting me to do that. 994 00:45:49,372 --> 00:45:51,457 I may not take care of those gravesites 995 00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:53,501 as much as I used to, 996 00:45:53,584 --> 00:45:55,544 because they're on their own now. 997 00:45:57,338 --> 00:45:59,382 (CLICKS TONGUE) And I feel they're at peace. 998 00:46:00,883 --> 00:46:02,843 I didn't know how angry I was. 999 00:46:02,927 --> 00:46:05,179 And I realized, like, "Damn, I've been... 1000 00:46:06,055 --> 00:46:08,182 I've been pissed for a long, long time, 1001 00:46:08,224 --> 00:46:09,350 and didn't realize it." 1002 00:46:09,433 --> 00:46:11,227 I looked at my kids different, looked at my wife different. 1003 00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:14,939 Looked-- Everything I looked at was different. 1004 00:46:15,022 --> 00:46:16,524 I guess I'm gonna have to find something else 1005 00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:18,776 to worry about. (CHUCKLES) 1006 00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:20,152 It's just... (EXHALES) 1007 00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:21,904 I-- I just... 1008 00:46:22,822 --> 00:46:24,115 You can breathe again... 1009 00:46:25,074 --> 00:46:26,951 because we know the truth now. 1010 00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:33,749 MARGARET: 1011 00:46:35,418 --> 00:46:37,795 Because of the evidence, 1012 00:46:38,421 --> 00:46:39,505 and we know... 1013 00:46:42,591 --> 00:46:43,759 And we know. 1014 00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:48,347 MARGARET: 1015 00:46:51,434 --> 00:46:54,270 I don't understand it either... (CHUCKLES) ...to be honest. 1016 00:46:54,854 --> 00:46:57,815 MARGARET: 1017 00:46:57,898 --> 00:47:00,526 No. I mean... Ooh, that's cold, isn't it? 1018 00:47:00,609 --> 00:47:02,778 No, I do that for my own self-protection. 1019 00:47:02,862 --> 00:47:06,449 I don't wanna get involved in the emotional trauma 1020 00:47:06,532 --> 00:47:07,992 of what they went through. 1021 00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,411 I've already been through a lot, I don't wanna take that on. 1022 00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:13,914 And I mean, that's a horrible thing. 1023 00:47:13,998 --> 00:47:15,458 What happened to them was horrible. 1024 00:47:15,541 --> 00:47:19,879 MARGARET: 1025 00:47:19,962 --> 00:47:21,672 No. They-- I... 1026 00:47:22,715 --> 00:47:25,593 They are not part of this case any longer. 1027 00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:27,887 I don't go there. 1028 00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:31,474 I mean, I know that they suffered, you know? 1029 00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:34,977 But my suffering is... 1030 00:47:35,061 --> 00:47:36,937 is totally different than theirs, 1031 00:47:36,979 --> 00:47:41,108 and I have to deal with my pain, and... 1032 00:47:41,192 --> 00:47:43,402 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1033 00:47:43,486 --> 00:47:44,570 I really don't think about it. 1034 00:47:44,653 --> 00:47:46,822 I mean, every now and then, it's like, you know, 1035 00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:48,657 kinda got a raw deal. 1036 00:47:50,868 --> 00:47:54,288 But... two confessed, went to prison. 1037 00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:56,290 Two didn't confess, did not go to prison. 1038 00:47:56,374 --> 00:47:58,584 So, in my mind, the two that did... 1039 00:47:59,835 --> 00:48:01,003 they didn't help themselves. 1040 00:48:01,087 --> 00:48:02,296 I don't know, it's just-- 1041 00:48:02,338 --> 00:48:03,756 I haven't got to them yet. 1042 00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:05,383 When it all comes down, and... 1043 00:48:06,842 --> 00:48:07,968 that it wasn't them, 1044 00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:09,345 and the courts say it wasn't them, 1045 00:48:09,428 --> 00:48:11,514 and it's finalized... 1046 00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:14,517 they didn't-- Well, I can't say that. 1047 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,643 MARGARET: 1048 00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:17,478 I was gonna say they didn't put themselves there, 1049 00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:18,687 but they kind of did. 1050 00:48:22,858 --> 00:48:25,820 ♪ (PENSIVE PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1051 00:48:28,531 --> 00:48:30,324 JONES: The original investigators... 1052 00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:31,492 Let's see, how'd they put it? 1053 00:48:31,534 --> 00:48:33,994 Had some shortcomings in the case, yeah. 1054 00:48:36,539 --> 00:48:39,208 We could have went and filed any of those confessions we had. 1055 00:48:40,042 --> 00:48:42,002 Got a warrant for arrest, 1056 00:48:42,044 --> 00:48:44,672 and then worried about making the case later. 1057 00:48:44,755 --> 00:48:47,633 That didn't work out so well for Paul and them. 1058 00:48:49,009 --> 00:48:51,387 MARGARET: 1059 00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:54,306 Same thing you always ask me. "How you feeling right now? 1060 00:48:56,475 --> 00:48:59,895 What would you like to say to Maurice Pierce now?" 1061 00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:02,523 Considering that... 1062 00:49:03,399 --> 00:49:04,567 I think he made the statement-- 1063 00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:06,861 I think he made the statement that 1064 00:49:06,902 --> 00:49:09,196 he didn't really care whether he was dead or not. 1065 00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:12,908 "What are your thoughts now?" 1066 00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:16,704 Maurice may be dead, but... 1067 00:49:16,745 --> 00:49:18,873 Robert Springsteen is still alive, 1068 00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:21,041 and so is Michael Scott, and... 1069 00:49:21,584 --> 00:49:23,335 so is Forrest Welborn. 1070 00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:26,088 "They're all still alive. 1071 00:49:26,172 --> 00:49:28,007 What would you like to say to them?" 1072 00:49:29,008 --> 00:49:32,011 And maybe the jury found them guilty, 1073 00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:35,055 because of the way evidence was presented to them. 1074 00:49:35,097 --> 00:49:36,765 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1075 00:49:38,350 --> 00:49:40,769 ♪ (SOMBER PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1076 00:49:45,191 --> 00:49:47,109 PAUL JOHNSON: So, I have three horses over here. 1077 00:49:58,537 --> 00:50:01,123 They don't get a lot of attention. 1078 00:50:05,461 --> 00:50:06,921 I don't really care too much 1079 00:50:06,962 --> 00:50:10,508 about what the public thinks about my investigation. 1080 00:50:10,591 --> 00:50:11,634 A case like this, 1081 00:50:11,717 --> 00:50:14,094 where somebody that we were not investigating 1082 00:50:14,178 --> 00:50:16,514 is matched to the crime... 1083 00:50:18,516 --> 00:50:21,060 I would expect people that are concerned... 1084 00:50:22,478 --> 00:50:25,022 to question the previous investigation 1085 00:50:25,105 --> 00:50:27,608 that didn't point to this guy. 1086 00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:30,486 But I did watch the press conference 1087 00:50:30,569 --> 00:50:34,114 and what they said at the press conference 1088 00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:36,909 seems to absolutely indicate 1089 00:50:36,992 --> 00:50:39,453 this new guy was there 1090 00:50:39,954 --> 00:50:41,330 and was involved. 1091 00:50:41,413 --> 00:50:43,916 What I don't think it shows 1092 00:50:43,958 --> 00:50:46,919 or anything that they said at the press conference shows 1093 00:50:46,961 --> 00:50:48,546 -that other people... -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1094 00:50:48,629 --> 00:50:50,881 ...or maybe even the ones that we filed on, 1095 00:50:50,965 --> 00:50:53,133 were not there. Just because he was, 1096 00:50:53,217 --> 00:50:54,802 I don't think that shows 1097 00:50:54,843 --> 00:50:58,222 that our guys or other guys were not. 1098 00:51:03,143 --> 00:51:05,229 What kind of shocked me is 1099 00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:09,108 that he said he's never listened to the confessions. 1100 00:51:09,692 --> 00:51:14,321 ROBERT SPRINGSTEEN: 1101 00:51:14,363 --> 00:51:15,990 PAUL: If he would listen to the confessions 1102 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:17,283 or read the investigations 1103 00:51:17,366 --> 00:51:18,742 that had to do with the confessions, 1104 00:51:18,826 --> 00:51:21,412 there would be things that could not be explained 1105 00:51:21,495 --> 00:51:24,832 by our guys not having been there. 1106 00:51:24,915 --> 00:51:28,961 MARGARET: 1107 00:51:34,133 --> 00:51:36,844 Nobody says that exactly. 1108 00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:41,599 The only thing we could figure out 1109 00:51:41,682 --> 00:51:48,105 is that the person that they're not identifying 1110 00:51:48,188 --> 00:51:51,066 was so bad and scary 1111 00:51:51,150 --> 00:51:54,028 that they would rather not. 1112 00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:57,281 MARGARET: 1113 00:51:57,364 --> 00:51:59,074 And-- Very likely. 1114 00:51:59,158 --> 00:52:02,202 That kind of person might scare these little teenagers. 1115 00:52:02,286 --> 00:52:04,913 ♪ (OMINOUS INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1116 00:52:04,997 --> 00:52:06,832 PAUL: If they all had something to do 1117 00:52:06,915 --> 00:52:08,459 with going into the yogurt shop 1118 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:10,628 and they're scared of him to... 1119 00:52:11,712 --> 00:52:12,880 point the finger at him or, 1120 00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:14,506 "Okay, I'm not going to point the finger at him, 1121 00:52:14,590 --> 00:52:16,342 I'll point the finger at Forrest. 1122 00:52:16,425 --> 00:52:17,760 He doesn't scare anybody." 1123 00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:20,262 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1124 00:52:24,725 --> 00:52:26,810 ♪ ("MONA LISA" BY CONWAY TWITTY PLAYING OVER SPEAKERS) ♪ 1125 00:52:26,894 --> 00:52:30,814 ♪ Mona Lisa, Mona Lisa Men have named you ♪ 1126 00:52:30,898 --> 00:52:34,943 ♪ You're so like a lady With a mystic smile ♪ 1127 00:52:39,323 --> 00:52:42,451 ♪ ("MONA LISA" CONTINUES PLAYING) ♪ 1128 00:52:43,661 --> 00:52:50,125 It's like an old Austin kind of feel to me. 1129 00:52:50,209 --> 00:52:51,752 You know, I know that there's a lot 1130 00:52:51,794 --> 00:52:53,253 of country music getting played, 1131 00:52:53,295 --> 00:52:56,173 but that's not all that gets played. 1132 00:52:56,256 --> 00:52:57,383 It just... I don't know, 1133 00:52:57,424 --> 00:53:00,803 it just reminds me of the old days, sort of. 1134 00:53:00,886 --> 00:53:02,638 ♪ (SLOW COUNTRY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1135 00:53:02,721 --> 00:53:07,393 This is chile rellenos with chicken. 1136 00:53:08,602 --> 00:53:12,314 And this is vegetable with pasta. 1137 00:53:12,398 --> 00:53:15,442 But this was a repeat request. 1138 00:53:15,484 --> 00:53:17,194 MARGARET: 1139 00:53:17,277 --> 00:53:19,321 ♪ (SINISTER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1140 00:53:21,573 --> 00:53:23,158 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1141 00:53:23,242 --> 00:53:25,285 SHARON SHIPMAN: We lived not too far away 1142 00:53:25,369 --> 00:53:26,995 from Northcross Mall. 1143 00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:30,958 I actually had to pick him up at the juvenile center 1144 00:53:30,999 --> 00:53:35,129 because he and Maurice were at Northcross Mall. 1145 00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:36,964 ♪ (SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1146 00:53:37,005 --> 00:53:39,925 SHARON: When I got there, they told me 1147 00:53:40,008 --> 00:53:43,887 that Maurice had a gun with him. 1148 00:53:43,971 --> 00:53:46,557 I picked Forrest up and brought him home. 1149 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,477 It was later that we found out that they were being questioned 1150 00:53:50,561 --> 00:53:53,439 about the yogurt shop murders. 1151 00:53:57,276 --> 00:53:58,736 He would be walking to school, 1152 00:53:58,819 --> 00:54:01,155 and there would be a car parked outside. 1153 00:54:01,196 --> 00:54:03,323 And the detective would get out and say, 1154 00:54:03,365 --> 00:54:05,284 "Get in the car. We're going for a ride." 1155 00:54:08,495 --> 00:54:10,205 He was 15 years old. 1156 00:54:10,289 --> 00:54:13,041 He didn't know he didn't have to get in the car 1157 00:54:13,125 --> 00:54:14,293 and go with him. 1158 00:54:15,586 --> 00:54:18,213 He didn't have anything to hide. 1159 00:54:18,297 --> 00:54:21,008 We knew there were a lot of kids being questioned. 1160 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:25,095 I guess I didn't realize how serious it was. 1161 00:54:26,221 --> 00:54:31,018 The detectives brought him to my house and said, 1162 00:54:31,101 --> 00:54:32,519 "We have two confessions 1163 00:54:32,561 --> 00:54:36,523 and we're going to make the arrest in two weeks. 1164 00:54:36,565 --> 00:54:40,068 And Forrest has the opportunity to save himself, 1165 00:54:40,152 --> 00:54:43,489 so you need to convince him to confess." 1166 00:54:44,323 --> 00:54:46,700 So, every day for two weeks, 1167 00:54:46,784 --> 00:54:48,952 I sat at his shop with him 1168 00:54:49,036 --> 00:54:51,705 because I wanted to make sure he was safe. 1169 00:54:51,747 --> 00:54:55,626 The day I went back to work, they arrested him. 1170 00:54:55,709 --> 00:54:59,505 ♪ (SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1171 00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:13,769 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1172 00:55:14,937 --> 00:55:16,939 FORREST WELBORN: There's no time when it's not there. 1173 00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:19,399 I want it to go away. 1174 00:55:24,863 --> 00:55:27,616 (INHALES, CLICKS TONGUE) 1175 00:55:27,699 --> 00:55:30,744 It's still very difficult to even talk about, 1176 00:55:30,786 --> 00:55:32,120 or think about, or... 1177 00:55:38,085 --> 00:55:41,797 ♪ (SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC RESUMES) ♪ 1178 00:55:44,299 --> 00:55:45,551 FORREST: I've had people try to tell me 1179 00:55:45,634 --> 00:55:47,010 I should be celebrating, 1180 00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:49,429 but it's still not over, you know. 1181 00:55:49,471 --> 00:55:52,307 It's not a celebration moment. 1182 00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:56,144 I hope everybody believes that, 1183 00:55:56,228 --> 00:55:58,981 you know, I wasn't there now, you know. 1184 00:55:59,064 --> 00:56:00,482 A lot of people... 1185 00:56:01,859 --> 00:56:03,652 think of me as a murderer. 1186 00:56:03,735 --> 00:56:05,487 And I've had to deal with that. 1187 00:56:06,321 --> 00:56:08,866 Lost jobs, lost relationships, 1188 00:56:08,949 --> 00:56:11,535 lost friends. You know. 1189 00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:16,248 (CLEARS THROAT) It's been really difficult. 1190 00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:26,592 (OVER RECORDING) 1191 00:56:28,927 --> 00:56:30,345 MARGARET: 1192 00:56:30,429 --> 00:56:32,848 Uh, betrayal, you know? 1193 00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:34,850 He was my best friend at the time. 1194 00:56:35,601 --> 00:56:38,270 And to have him try to say 1195 00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:40,105 that I was there and I had a part of it 1196 00:56:40,188 --> 00:56:43,525 was just absolutely insane to me. 1197 00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:44,735 That's where I lost... 1198 00:56:44,818 --> 00:56:46,111 (INHALES DEEPLY) 1199 00:56:46,153 --> 00:56:48,864 ...lost a lot of hope in people, you know, especially friends. 1200 00:56:48,947 --> 00:56:51,867 I wasn't able to really trust anybody. 1201 00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:54,244 Ended up dropping out of eighth grade... 1202 00:56:54,328 --> 00:56:55,621 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1203 00:56:55,704 --> 00:56:57,039 ...'cause I just couldn't do it. 1204 00:56:57,122 --> 00:56:58,373 MARGARET: I'm so sorry. 1205 00:57:02,544 --> 00:57:04,671 I went back the next year. 1206 00:57:04,713 --> 00:57:08,508 But I only stayed for a couple months and left. 1207 00:57:09,927 --> 00:57:14,222 MARGARET: 1208 00:57:17,059 --> 00:57:18,060 Yes. 1209 00:57:18,143 --> 00:57:19,561 MARGARET: 1210 00:57:19,645 --> 00:57:22,230 (CLEARS THROAT) Yeah, um... 1211 00:57:27,402 --> 00:57:28,403 (SNIFFLES) 1212 00:57:29,905 --> 00:57:32,741 (SOBS HEAVILY) 1213 00:57:32,824 --> 00:57:33,992 MARGARET: Wait a minute. 1214 00:57:39,414 --> 00:57:42,167 (FORREST SOBS) 1215 00:57:44,127 --> 00:57:45,462 -(EXHALES, MUTTERS) -MARGARET: You okay? 1216 00:57:45,545 --> 00:57:47,547 -FORREST: I'm good. (SNIFFLES) -MARGARET: Okay. 1217 00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:49,007 (FORREST SIGHS) 1218 00:57:49,091 --> 00:57:50,384 MARGARET: Just had to take a breath. 1219 00:57:50,425 --> 00:57:51,927 (FORREST SNIFFLES, SIGHS) 1220 00:57:56,890 --> 00:57:58,016 Yeah, it's very hard. 1221 00:57:58,100 --> 00:57:59,393 MARGARET: I know. I'm really sorry. 1222 00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:01,395 ♪ (SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1223 00:58:04,189 --> 00:58:05,399 Well, they came... they came... 1224 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,484 I had a business site in Lockhart 1225 00:58:07,567 --> 00:58:09,069 while I was doing automotive repair. 1226 00:58:09,111 --> 00:58:12,406 They came, surrounded the place 1227 00:58:12,447 --> 00:58:14,908 and arrested me, took me away from my business, 1228 00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:16,284 charged me for the crime. 1229 00:58:18,286 --> 00:58:19,788 Ended up losing that business. 1230 00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:22,916 Thought I was going to prison for the rest of my life 1231 00:58:22,958 --> 00:58:25,293 for something I didn't do. Thought it was over. 1232 00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:27,671 MARGARET: 1233 00:58:27,754 --> 00:58:28,922 -No. -MARGARET: Yeah. 1234 00:58:29,006 --> 00:58:30,424 I wasn't going to talk to him ever again, 1235 00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:31,550 and I never did. 1236 00:58:34,469 --> 00:58:36,513 Now, it's hard for me to really bring somebody 1237 00:58:36,596 --> 00:58:37,639 in that close anymore, 1238 00:58:37,723 --> 00:58:39,850 and, you know, I have some friends 1239 00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:42,269 but not super close. 1240 00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:45,480 If I find someone that does like me, 1241 00:58:45,564 --> 00:58:46,940 then that's one of the first things 1242 00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,734 I have to let them know, 1243 00:58:48,817 --> 00:58:49,985 is that I've been... 1244 00:58:50,944 --> 00:58:52,112 wrapped up in all this 1245 00:58:52,195 --> 00:58:54,906 with the yogurt shop murders. And... 1246 00:58:54,948 --> 00:58:57,451 -So, it normally doesn't work out very well. -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1247 00:58:57,492 --> 00:59:00,912 MARGARET: 1248 00:59:01,329 --> 00:59:03,206 Um, six months. 1249 00:59:04,958 --> 00:59:06,668 I've tried, but... 1250 00:59:07,669 --> 00:59:09,421 you know, I mean, it's the worst crime in Austin, 1251 00:59:09,504 --> 00:59:10,505 you know. 1252 00:59:10,589 --> 00:59:12,591 So, to get involved with, 1253 00:59:12,632 --> 00:59:15,135 you know... I've never really been cleared. 1254 00:59:15,177 --> 00:59:16,303 I've never, you know... 1255 00:59:16,344 --> 00:59:17,804 I've never had anybody come out and say, 1256 00:59:17,888 --> 00:59:20,766 "Oh, he's innocent," you know, let the world know. 1257 00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:23,852 MARGARET: 1258 00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:28,648 You know, I'm sad for him and his family. 1259 00:59:31,276 --> 00:59:32,778 But still, 1260 00:59:32,861 --> 00:59:35,197 I've been angry at him for so long for what... 1261 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,492 he said to the detectives 1262 00:59:38,533 --> 00:59:41,620 and I thought we were best friends and so... 1263 00:59:42,996 --> 00:59:46,416 MARGARET: 1264 00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:48,376 I don't care anything about them. 1265 00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:52,547 Anybody that can try to say that I was there and did it, 1266 00:59:53,381 --> 00:59:55,133 I have no sense in talking to 'em 1267 00:59:55,217 --> 00:59:57,219 or have any feelings towards them. 1268 00:59:57,302 --> 00:59:59,554 I know it's really bad to say, but... 1269 01:00:01,389 --> 01:00:04,309 it doesn't hurt my feelings that they went to jail at all, 1270 01:00:04,351 --> 01:00:06,686 because what they tried to do to me, 1271 01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:08,772 try to make me sit in there. 1272 01:00:08,855 --> 01:00:13,026 I've got pulled over all the time by the police, 1273 01:00:13,527 --> 01:00:15,070 once a week. 1274 01:00:15,153 --> 01:00:19,783 I've been incarcerated 50 times 1275 01:00:20,534 --> 01:00:22,577 for nonsense. 1276 01:00:24,037 --> 01:00:26,039 I don't know what's going to change it, but... 1277 01:00:26,790 --> 01:00:27,916 maybe one day. 1278 01:00:30,919 --> 01:00:31,920 There's... 1279 01:00:37,884 --> 01:00:39,553 The four girls, 1280 01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:41,513 they weren't the only ones that lost their lives. 1281 01:00:46,601 --> 01:00:47,602 No. 1282 01:00:51,523 --> 01:00:54,818 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1283 01:01:06,746 --> 01:01:08,623 MARGARET: 1284 01:01:08,707 --> 01:01:10,000 (INHALES DEEPLY) 1285 01:01:10,083 --> 01:01:15,088 Well, in our case, the person that killed our daughter, 1286 01:01:15,130 --> 01:01:17,632 there's justice because he's no longer here. 1287 01:01:18,842 --> 01:01:21,094 MARGARET: 1288 01:01:21,178 --> 01:01:22,262 I don't. 1289 01:01:22,304 --> 01:01:24,598 I don't think of him as human. It's just... 1290 01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:26,600 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC CONTINUES SOFTLY) ♪ 1291 01:01:26,641 --> 01:01:28,560 He's the reason, and that's it. 1292 01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:33,148 Right now he's a monster and I'm okay with that. 1293 01:01:33,231 --> 01:01:37,152 I just feel like there's evil people out there. 1294 01:01:37,235 --> 01:01:39,446 I don't know what makes them that way. 1295 01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:41,489 I don't want to spend too much time 1296 01:01:41,573 --> 01:01:44,701 sort of thinking about them or understanding them 1297 01:01:44,784 --> 01:01:46,578 or what their backstory is. (CHUCKLES) 1298 01:01:46,661 --> 01:01:49,164 MARGARET: 1299 01:01:57,797 --> 01:01:59,341 I guess because he's dead. 1300 01:02:00,217 --> 01:02:02,052 That's where all the peace comes in. 1301 01:02:03,345 --> 01:02:07,515 He's not gonna hurt or do anything else to anybody else. 1302 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:09,809 I just want to know what life he had 1303 01:02:09,851 --> 01:02:11,645 that made him this way. 1304 01:02:11,728 --> 01:02:13,813 Children are not born evil. 1305 01:02:13,897 --> 01:02:15,774 We caused them to be this... 1306 01:02:16,608 --> 01:02:18,276 and I want to know what happened. 1307 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,237 Was he not held enough? 1308 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,197 -Was he not loved enough? -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1309 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,034 Or did he just-- just decided not to care, 1310 01:02:26,117 --> 01:02:28,036 not to care about anybody but himself, 1311 01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:29,204 somewhere along the way? 1312 01:02:29,287 --> 01:02:32,207 ♪ (SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1313 01:02:38,838 --> 01:02:40,632 CECE: You know, he's one of those serial killers 1314 01:02:40,715 --> 01:02:42,759 who didn't want to be famous, 1315 01:02:42,842 --> 01:02:45,720 didn't want his crimes to be known. 1316 01:02:45,804 --> 01:02:48,473 And so, now that he's infamous, 1317 01:02:48,556 --> 01:02:51,309 it is interesting to think about what that means, 1318 01:02:51,393 --> 01:02:54,479 how much energy is put into thinking about him 1319 01:02:54,562 --> 01:02:55,689 at this point. 1320 01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:56,815 It doesn't matter. 1321 01:02:59,401 --> 01:03:01,987 What's the use of spending too much time 1322 01:03:02,028 --> 01:03:04,364 -and energy thinking about him? -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1323 01:03:04,447 --> 01:03:06,533 Now, I wish I felt that way 1324 01:03:06,616 --> 01:03:08,201 because I've been obsessed with him 1325 01:03:08,285 --> 01:03:12,289 and I've spent thousands of hours researching him. 1326 01:03:12,372 --> 01:03:13,957 ♪ (INTRIGUING PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1327 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,459 CECE: I've identified lots of serial killers 1328 01:03:16,543 --> 01:03:19,045 and they didn't all stick with me. 1329 01:03:19,129 --> 01:03:23,216 This guy was incredibly evil, incredibly violent. 1330 01:03:23,258 --> 01:03:25,885 He has literally haunted my dreams. 1331 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:29,556 My feeling was that his story wasn't finished 1332 01:03:29,597 --> 01:03:32,851 and other people were still waiting for answers. 1333 01:03:33,935 --> 01:03:36,146 My years-long obsession 1334 01:03:36,229 --> 01:03:39,232 has led me to want to talk to people who knew him. 1335 01:03:39,274 --> 01:03:43,403 Because I feel like any little clue could potentially 1336 01:03:43,486 --> 01:03:46,448 lead us to another case that he's responsible for. 1337 01:03:51,536 --> 01:03:54,456 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1338 01:03:56,082 --> 01:03:58,001 I feel like I have more paperwork on my father 1339 01:03:58,084 --> 01:03:59,627 than I do anything else. 1340 01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:04,424 I have one photo of me and my father, 1341 01:04:04,466 --> 01:04:06,134 and that is the family photo that, of course, 1342 01:04:06,217 --> 01:04:07,844 is all over the internet. 1343 01:04:07,927 --> 01:04:09,763 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1344 01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:12,432 DEBORAH BRASHERS: This picture was taken 1345 01:04:12,515 --> 01:04:14,392 the summer of 1997. 1346 01:04:14,476 --> 01:04:17,145 The night we moved to Arkansas, this picture was taken. 1347 01:04:19,314 --> 01:04:22,484 I didn't know of anything, anything bad about my father. 1348 01:04:22,567 --> 01:04:25,153 I had just met him not long before that. 1349 01:04:25,236 --> 01:04:26,446 He pulled in the driveway one day 1350 01:04:26,529 --> 01:04:27,572 and said, "Hi, I'm your father." 1351 01:04:27,614 --> 01:04:29,366 My mother said, "Hey, this is your daddy for real." 1352 01:04:31,409 --> 01:04:32,786 And then, that's just my daddy. 1353 01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:35,914 And then he's dead. Not long after. 1354 01:04:35,997 --> 01:04:38,666 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL STRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1355 01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:40,335 DEBORAH: I was around more people growing up 1356 01:04:40,418 --> 01:04:43,588 that were strange than I was normal people. 1357 01:04:44,547 --> 01:04:45,799 Criminals, people that... 1358 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,967 Like, the weird feelings that you get around certain people, 1359 01:04:48,009 --> 01:04:49,135 those were my normal. 1360 01:04:50,178 --> 01:04:52,055 My mother was not the greatest person. 1361 01:04:52,138 --> 01:04:55,058 So, the people that, you know, you're born from, 1362 01:04:55,141 --> 01:04:57,811 if they're that way, then how do you know? 1363 01:04:57,852 --> 01:05:01,147 Differentiating that was very hard until I got older. 1364 01:05:03,483 --> 01:05:06,069 To me, people being shitty to you is normal. 1365 01:05:08,029 --> 01:05:11,199 For a very long time, that's how my life was. 1366 01:05:12,784 --> 01:05:13,993 The only part of my life 1367 01:05:14,035 --> 01:05:15,787 that I thought was the most normal 1368 01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:17,705 was all actually coming out to be a lie now, 1369 01:05:17,789 --> 01:05:19,124 because that was the time of my life 1370 01:05:19,207 --> 01:05:20,750 -when I was with my father. -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1371 01:05:20,834 --> 01:05:22,669 -MAN: Here you go. Here we go. -(CHILD GIGGLING) 1372 01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:26,214 DEBORAH: The little bit of time that I met him until he died, 1373 01:05:26,297 --> 01:05:28,716 it was the best time of our entire life. 1374 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,093 We didn't have to want for anything. 1375 01:05:30,176 --> 01:05:31,344 We didn't have to question anything. 1376 01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:32,470 Like, we were never hurt, 1377 01:05:32,512 --> 01:05:35,682 never touched by men or anything in that nature. 1378 01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:38,184 My mother didn't run off on us. 1379 01:05:38,226 --> 01:05:40,353 It was like the white picket fence type family. 1380 01:05:40,395 --> 01:05:42,355 Like, you got three girls, a father that goes to work, 1381 01:05:42,439 --> 01:05:43,523 a mother that goes to work. 1382 01:05:43,606 --> 01:05:46,067 We have cookouts, we have birthday parties, 1383 01:05:46,151 --> 01:05:48,361 like... just normal. 1384 01:05:48,403 --> 01:05:49,696 A lot of people will tell you, 1385 01:05:49,737 --> 01:05:52,031 you would have never thought my father was who he was, 1386 01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:53,741 but he was a very evil man. 1387 01:05:55,785 --> 01:05:58,955 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1388 01:05:59,038 --> 01:06:00,540 Come to find out he was on the run 1389 01:06:00,582 --> 01:06:02,500 for breaking and entering a woman's house 1390 01:06:02,584 --> 01:06:05,545 in 1998, over Easter weekend. 1391 01:06:05,587 --> 01:06:07,797 It was Easter morning when he was caught in her house. 1392 01:06:07,881 --> 01:06:08,965 Why are you not at home? 1393 01:06:09,048 --> 01:06:11,301 You have three children at home. It's Easter. 1394 01:06:11,384 --> 01:06:12,385 MARGARET: 1395 01:06:12,469 --> 01:06:14,554 In 1998, he... Breaking and entering 1396 01:06:14,637 --> 01:06:18,224 into someone else's house he used to work in. 1397 01:06:18,308 --> 01:06:21,144 He broke in her house and cut her phone line. 1398 01:06:21,227 --> 01:06:23,521 He had a kill kit on him. He was going to kill this woman. 1399 01:06:23,563 --> 01:06:25,440 Why? I don't know, she didn't do nothing to him. 1400 01:06:25,523 --> 01:06:26,524 MARGARET: 1401 01:06:26,608 --> 01:06:27,775 -A kill kit. -MARGARET: 1402 01:06:27,859 --> 01:06:32,697 He had black gloves, zip ties, a gun. 1403 01:06:32,739 --> 01:06:35,408 -He had multiple of those kits. -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1404 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:37,243 DEBORAH: He left the gun there, got arrested, 1405 01:06:37,285 --> 01:06:39,287 called my mother and told my mother where the gun was. 1406 01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:40,914 And my mother called my grandpa 1407 01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:44,042 and my grandfather went to go pick up the gun. 1408 01:06:44,083 --> 01:06:46,377 My mother and grandfather had to have known something. 1409 01:06:46,461 --> 01:06:47,712 Like, there's people that, 1410 01:06:47,795 --> 01:06:51,090 as long as you don't hurt my family, it's okay. 1411 01:06:51,174 --> 01:06:53,301 And that's what I'm afraid of. I'm... 1412 01:06:53,384 --> 01:06:55,637 I'm afraid of that being the truth. 1413 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,138 (INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER) 1414 01:06:57,222 --> 01:06:58,306 DEBORAH: Normally, 1415 01:06:58,389 --> 01:07:00,475 without him on the run, we called him Robert or Daddy. 1416 01:07:00,558 --> 01:07:03,019 But when he was on the run, we were told to call him Mitch. 1417 01:07:03,102 --> 01:07:05,813 Like, before we went out to eat, he put a little wig on, 1418 01:07:05,897 --> 01:07:07,273 'cause we knew he was "on the run." 1419 01:07:07,357 --> 01:07:09,943 So, you know, he couldn't look like hisself. 1420 01:07:09,984 --> 01:07:12,362 He used to dress up as a woman and rob Shoney's 1421 01:07:12,445 --> 01:07:14,155 and Waffle Houses in the middle of the night. 1422 01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:15,657 Would go test drive a car 1423 01:07:15,740 --> 01:07:17,325 and then put the key in this little putty, 1424 01:07:17,408 --> 01:07:19,452 and remake the key, and he'd go steal that car that night. 1425 01:07:19,536 --> 01:07:20,912 Like, he'd done a lot, 1426 01:07:20,995 --> 01:07:23,957 but you wouldn't have thought that he murdered people. 1427 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,625 I remember when the Scherer murders, 1428 01:07:25,708 --> 01:07:28,628 the broadcast come up on the TV and my mother got scared. 1429 01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:30,255 And he's like, "Oh, no, that would never happen here, 1430 01:07:30,338 --> 01:07:31,339 we're fine." 1431 01:07:31,422 --> 01:07:33,925 Yeah, because you done it. But he was nonchalant. 1432 01:07:35,260 --> 01:07:37,136 There's no telling how many more crimes that he's done 1433 01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:38,888 that no one will ever know about. 1434 01:07:38,972 --> 01:07:40,640 That's what I'm coming to terms with. 1435 01:07:41,808 --> 01:07:43,184 If I have to live with this every day, 1436 01:07:43,268 --> 01:07:45,645 I at least need to know that I've said sorry to these people. 1437 01:07:45,728 --> 01:07:49,023 Someone that is a blood kin to him 1438 01:07:49,107 --> 01:07:50,441 is sorry for what he's done. 1439 01:07:50,525 --> 01:07:53,653 ♪ (SOFT REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1440 01:07:53,695 --> 01:07:54,821 DEBORAH: I don't want to upset anyone 1441 01:07:54,904 --> 01:07:56,155 by reaching out to them. 1442 01:07:56,197 --> 01:07:58,658 I've never reached out to the Scherer families, 1443 01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:00,410 but I've reached out to family members 1444 01:08:00,493 --> 01:08:04,205 in South Carolina, and in Austin... 1445 01:08:06,416 --> 01:08:08,293 and told them that I'm sorry. 1446 01:08:10,044 --> 01:08:11,212 I want to break 1447 01:08:11,296 --> 01:08:13,506 all the generational curses as possible. 1448 01:08:16,091 --> 01:08:19,178 This was for the two men that were falsely accused 1449 01:08:19,261 --> 01:08:21,973 of my father's crimes in Austin, Texas. 1450 01:08:22,055 --> 01:08:23,850 "Hi, my name is Deborah Brashers 1451 01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:26,352 and I understand the words that I'm about to say 1452 01:08:26,435 --> 01:08:28,313 may not mean much to you. 1453 01:08:28,395 --> 01:08:29,772 I'm not the one who caused the pain 1454 01:08:29,856 --> 01:08:31,524 and hardship you've endured, 1455 01:08:31,608 --> 01:08:34,193 but I am a descendant of that person who did. 1456 01:08:34,277 --> 01:08:35,737 I cannot begin to imagine 1457 01:08:35,819 --> 01:08:38,197 everything you've been through since 1999. 1458 01:08:38,238 --> 01:08:40,908 My father's actions took so much from you. 1459 01:08:40,992 --> 01:08:43,870 Even though I wasn't involved in his choices, 1460 01:08:43,911 --> 01:08:47,457 I still feel deep regret for the pain his actions caused you. 1461 01:08:47,540 --> 01:08:49,667 I wanted to reach out and acknowledge what happened 1462 01:08:49,751 --> 01:08:50,667 and tell you that 1463 01:08:50,752 --> 01:08:52,712 someone recognizes the wrong that was done. 1464 01:08:52,795 --> 01:08:54,255 You didn't deserve what happened 1465 01:08:54,339 --> 01:08:57,216 and I'm sorry for all you lost because of it. 1466 01:08:57,258 --> 01:08:58,760 Sincerely, Deborah Brashers." 1467 01:09:00,094 --> 01:09:02,220 And it took me a couple of days to write that, 1468 01:09:02,263 --> 01:09:05,058 like write exactly what I wanted to write in it. 1469 01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:07,268 I'm gonna have to print it out and send it to them. 1470 01:09:10,772 --> 01:09:12,439 This is right before he showed up. 1471 01:09:15,443 --> 01:09:16,736 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1472 01:09:16,819 --> 01:09:18,112 -CLAIRE HUIE: You wanna try it? -Yep. 1473 01:09:18,196 --> 01:09:19,822 CLAIRE: Okay, okay, let's try this one. 1474 01:09:20,531 --> 01:09:22,200 I haven't talked to the boys. 1475 01:09:23,201 --> 01:09:24,243 There you go. 1476 01:09:24,285 --> 01:09:27,622 I hope they are enjoying some kind of peace 1477 01:09:27,705 --> 01:09:30,500 as a result of this news. 1478 01:09:30,582 --> 01:09:33,419 I can't imagine what it's like to have that kind of weight 1479 01:09:33,461 --> 01:09:38,424 where even the people who say they think you're innocent 1480 01:09:38,466 --> 01:09:40,593 -maybe don't really believe it. -CHILD: Come up here. 1481 01:09:40,635 --> 01:09:42,136 I didn't think they did it. 1482 01:09:42,845 --> 01:09:44,180 And then there was the question. 1483 01:09:44,263 --> 01:09:45,264 CHILD: Come up here, Mom. 1484 01:09:45,305 --> 01:09:48,350 And I... I was really convinced. 1485 01:09:48,434 --> 01:09:50,520 -And the question was still there. -CHILD: Mom, I do... 1486 01:09:50,603 --> 01:09:52,689 CLAIRE: I spent a lot of time with Robert Springsteen. 1487 01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:56,234 He managed that tension with so much grace. 1488 01:09:56,984 --> 01:09:57,985 Um... 1489 01:09:58,069 --> 01:10:01,072 And now knowing for sure he didn't do it, like, 1490 01:10:01,114 --> 01:10:03,116 how is he not the angriest person on earth? 1491 01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,660 And he's not. He's not angry. 1492 01:10:05,743 --> 01:10:06,744 MARGARET: 1493 01:10:06,828 --> 01:10:08,454 Because I asked him directly. 1494 01:10:08,538 --> 01:10:10,164 -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -I'm not angry, I'm not-- 1495 01:10:10,248 --> 01:10:13,000 As you guys have seen, I'm not really... 1496 01:10:13,084 --> 01:10:14,711 I'm not really that emotional about it, 1497 01:10:14,794 --> 01:10:16,754 or that mad about it, or, you know, 1498 01:10:16,838 --> 01:10:19,132 I let all that anger and stuff go. 1499 01:10:19,173 --> 01:10:22,260 CLAIRE: Rob and I spent a lot of time alone together. 1500 01:10:22,343 --> 01:10:23,803 And if I thought he was a murderer, 1501 01:10:23,886 --> 01:10:25,179 I wouldn't have done that. (CHUCKLES) 1502 01:10:26,055 --> 01:10:28,474 And then with Michael Scott, he says, 1503 01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:30,810 "I think I might have had something to do with it." 1504 01:10:30,893 --> 01:10:32,395 ROBERT: (OVER VIDEO) They really screwed me over. 1505 01:10:33,396 --> 01:10:34,731 He didn't, so it's still... 1506 01:10:34,814 --> 01:10:37,358 Even in his own mind, he can't trust himself. 1507 01:10:38,401 --> 01:10:41,112 Now, he can tell himself fully, "I didn't." 1508 01:10:41,154 --> 01:10:42,989 -Okay, I'm following you. -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1509 01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:44,574 CLAIRE: Nice. 1510 01:10:45,324 --> 01:10:47,660 MARGARET: 1511 01:10:47,744 --> 01:10:50,496 CLAIRE: If he were still alive, I would be terrified 1512 01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:51,998 for everyone. 1513 01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:55,376 The force of the evil present is terrifying. 1514 01:10:56,419 --> 01:10:57,962 Nice. Boosh! 1515 01:10:58,045 --> 01:11:00,381 On the one hand, it's a relief 1516 01:11:00,465 --> 01:11:02,842 that it's kind of over and he's done. 1517 01:11:02,884 --> 01:11:07,513 But it is anticlimactic that he's dead. 1518 01:11:07,597 --> 01:11:10,683 It feels like he was always this unknown 1519 01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:12,560 and he remains an unknown. 1520 01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:17,607 He just kind of swept through town 1521 01:11:17,690 --> 01:11:20,359 and caused a lot of destruction for a lot of people. 1522 01:11:20,443 --> 01:11:23,571 ♪ (SOMBER PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1523 01:11:25,281 --> 01:11:28,367 CECE: After I identified him in 2018, 1524 01:11:28,451 --> 01:11:31,370 I started looking for cold cases in all the places 1525 01:11:31,412 --> 01:11:32,747 I knew that he lived. 1526 01:11:34,332 --> 01:11:35,583 That's why I was so disappointed 1527 01:11:35,666 --> 01:11:38,252 I couldn't have helped solve the yogurt shop case. 1528 01:11:39,086 --> 01:11:41,130 They didn't have enough DNA 1529 01:11:41,214 --> 01:11:43,633 for us to perform genetic genealogy. 1530 01:11:45,885 --> 01:11:48,387 If only I had known that, right here, 1531 01:11:48,471 --> 01:11:52,975 should be the stop at the Texas border in December, 1532 01:11:53,059 --> 01:11:54,685 things would have been very different. 1533 01:11:56,646 --> 01:11:58,314 I would have known immediately 1534 01:11:58,397 --> 01:12:02,318 that he was a very strong suspect for yogurt shop. 1535 01:12:02,401 --> 01:12:05,404 ♪ (LOW TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1536 01:12:05,488 --> 01:12:10,451 DAN: So, back to December 8th, 1991, he's getting out of Texas. 1537 01:12:10,535 --> 01:12:13,454 He goes to jail that night on the stolen truck 1538 01:12:13,538 --> 01:12:15,540 and a felon in possession of a firearm. 1539 01:12:18,626 --> 01:12:20,920 Somebody bonds him out five days later. 1540 01:12:20,962 --> 01:12:22,880 Someone pays for his bond, I don't know who. 1541 01:12:25,007 --> 01:12:27,009 And then fast-forward a couple months, 1542 01:12:28,636 --> 01:12:31,973 February of '92, he gets arrested in Cobb County, Georgia 1543 01:12:32,056 --> 01:12:34,892 in a stolen vehicle from Tyler, Texas. 1544 01:12:34,934 --> 01:12:37,812 So, basically he bonds out, backtracks through Texas, 1545 01:12:37,895 --> 01:12:40,273 steals another truck, and ends up in Georgia, 1546 01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:41,607 where he gets arrested again. 1547 01:12:42,859 --> 01:12:44,735 I think that's when he had burglary tools, 1548 01:12:44,819 --> 01:12:47,780 police scanner, a fake police ID. 1549 01:12:47,864 --> 01:12:49,365 I think, like, a wig. 1550 01:12:50,616 --> 01:12:53,619 The possession of a firearm by a felon is taken federally 1551 01:12:53,703 --> 01:12:56,038 and he gets five years in prison. 1552 01:12:56,914 --> 01:12:58,165 Once he's sentenced though, 1553 01:12:58,249 --> 01:13:00,960 that .380 is given to his father. 1554 01:13:01,043 --> 01:13:04,130 His father is able to get it out of police custody. 1555 01:13:04,839 --> 01:13:06,007 Talking to an ATF guy, 1556 01:13:06,090 --> 01:13:07,633 they're like, "Yeah, that's not an easy thing to do. 1557 01:13:07,675 --> 01:13:09,927 You gotta fill out, like, a lot of paperwork. It's kind of a pain." 1558 01:13:10,011 --> 01:13:12,263 And we're talking, like, maybe a 75-dollar gun. 1559 01:13:14,807 --> 01:13:18,519 So, when he gets out in '97, he gets his gun back. 1560 01:13:18,603 --> 01:13:20,813 (SCOFFS) But, at first, we couldn't believe it, 1561 01:13:20,855 --> 01:13:22,398 but then that actually led us to help solve 1562 01:13:22,481 --> 01:13:25,109 other cases, because he kept the gun. 1563 01:13:25,192 --> 01:13:27,570 We would have never linked any of these cases to Kentucky. 1564 01:13:27,653 --> 01:13:29,322 We wouldn't have got a NIBIN hit because the gun 1565 01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:32,116 would still be sitting in a federal archive. 1566 01:13:32,158 --> 01:13:36,537 Completely, like, unforeseen chain of events led to all this. 1567 01:13:37,121 --> 01:13:38,372 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1568 01:13:39,081 --> 01:13:40,625 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1569 01:13:40,708 --> 01:13:43,711 DAN: And then, January of '99, 1570 01:13:43,794 --> 01:13:46,130 police officers driving through the parking lot 1571 01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:48,633 of a Super 8 motel in Kennett, Missouri... 1572 01:13:49,842 --> 01:13:51,928 sees a car that kind of sticks out. 1573 01:13:53,387 --> 01:13:55,222 Plate comes back stolen. 1574 01:13:55,306 --> 01:13:56,390 They look in the car, there's like, 1575 01:13:56,474 --> 01:13:57,892 some kids' toys or something. 1576 01:13:57,975 --> 01:14:00,019 Front desk is like, "Well, the only people staying here with kids 1577 01:14:00,102 --> 01:14:01,228 is room number whatever." 1578 01:14:01,312 --> 01:14:02,772 -(KNOCKING ON DOOR) -BRASHERS' WIFE: What do you want? 1579 01:14:02,855 --> 01:14:04,106 DAN: Brashers' wife, she gives a fake name 1580 01:14:04,190 --> 01:14:05,524 of who her husband is. 1581 01:14:05,566 --> 01:14:06,817 "He left," you know, 1582 01:14:06,859 --> 01:14:08,361 -"I don't know when he's coming back." -(KIDS CLAMORING) 1583 01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:10,363 DAN: And they start looking around the room, 1584 01:14:10,404 --> 01:14:13,449 and they find him hiding underneath the bed with a gun. 1585 01:14:13,532 --> 01:14:15,159 ♪ (MUSIC RISES) ♪ 1586 01:14:15,201 --> 01:14:16,786 DAN: It becomes a police standoff. 1587 01:14:21,582 --> 01:14:23,501 DEBORAH: We woke up to guns everywhere. 1588 01:14:23,542 --> 01:14:25,086 There are police officers right here to the left. 1589 01:14:25,169 --> 01:14:27,922 There's like five to seven of them, guns drawn. 1590 01:14:28,005 --> 01:14:30,383 And there's a police officer over here, holding the bed up 1591 01:14:30,424 --> 01:14:31,884 and my father's laying underneath the bed 1592 01:14:31,968 --> 01:14:33,010 with the gun to his head. 1593 01:14:34,345 --> 01:14:35,888 They put my mother in handcuffs, 1594 01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:37,765 and then they took us out in the hallway. 1595 01:14:37,848 --> 01:14:39,016 And where we were sitting at, 1596 01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:40,726 you could look down and you could see the pool, 1597 01:14:40,768 --> 01:14:42,561 and you could look up and see the reflection behind you 1598 01:14:42,603 --> 01:14:43,896 as to everything that was happening. 1599 01:14:43,938 --> 01:14:45,898 As the door opens, you can see, like, 1600 01:14:45,982 --> 01:14:47,900 my father's throwing stuff out of the room. 1601 01:14:47,984 --> 01:14:51,946 And about that same time, I heard a big boom, 1602 01:14:52,029 --> 01:14:54,240 and then I seen police officers go in. 1603 01:14:54,281 --> 01:14:56,909 DAN: He throws out a bunch of their clothing and stuff, 1604 01:14:56,993 --> 01:15:00,037 and he also throws out a nine-millimeter pistol. 1605 01:15:00,121 --> 01:15:02,373 And then he shoots himself in the room. 1606 01:15:05,626 --> 01:15:07,753 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1607 01:15:07,837 --> 01:15:12,967 He had shot himself with an AMT .380 Backup model. 1608 01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,679 The serial number is the same one he was stopped at 1609 01:15:16,762 --> 01:15:18,180 two days after yogurt shop. 1610 01:15:20,474 --> 01:15:21,642 So, it was like full circle. 1611 01:15:21,726 --> 01:15:23,853 He used that gun to commit his murders 1612 01:15:23,936 --> 01:15:25,479 and then he killed himself with it. 1613 01:15:29,984 --> 01:15:31,944 He had a nine-millimeter and he had a .380. 1614 01:15:31,986 --> 01:15:33,112 If I was going to shoot myself, 1615 01:15:33,154 --> 01:15:34,780 I would definitely pick the nine-millimeter. 1616 01:15:34,822 --> 01:15:35,948 It's more powerful. 1617 01:15:36,032 --> 01:15:38,325 So, he picked that gun for a reason. 1618 01:15:38,409 --> 01:15:39,952 Um, that was his trophy. 1619 01:15:40,036 --> 01:15:41,954 And that's what he killed himself with. 1620 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,874 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1621 01:15:44,957 --> 01:15:46,459 They, of course, interrogated us, 1622 01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,461 asked us all kinds of questions. 1623 01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:50,296 And we lied. "That's Mitch. That's Mitch. 1624 01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:53,174 I don't know who Robert is. I have no idea who Robert is." 1625 01:15:54,592 --> 01:15:55,843 So, on the suicide note, 1626 01:15:55,926 --> 01:15:58,179 the outside of it says, "To the police." 1627 01:16:00,097 --> 01:16:01,974 And then on the-- He wrote in it, 1628 01:16:02,058 --> 01:16:05,144 "In the event you are reading this, I am dead. 1629 01:16:05,227 --> 01:16:08,147 Please, I beg you, do not contact my father. 1630 01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:11,484 He has just came out of the hospital from cancer surgery 1631 01:16:11,525 --> 01:16:14,570 and it will kill him if the cops tell him. Thank you." 1632 01:16:17,364 --> 01:16:19,200 Like the "Thank you" on the bottom of this note, 1633 01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:20,284 just it's... 1634 01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:22,369 Like, why? 1635 01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:27,166 He was dead for 20 years before anybody knew anything. 1636 01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:30,544 I don't think he ever thought he would get caught. 1637 01:16:30,628 --> 01:16:33,547 ♪ (LOW TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1638 01:16:36,217 --> 01:16:38,385 DAN: How he got into the shop, we don't know. 1639 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,223 He had a different line each time, it seems like, 1640 01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:44,517 different ruses he would use. 1641 01:16:44,558 --> 01:16:46,644 So, this was-- The actual tip was taken on 1642 01:16:46,727 --> 01:16:50,856 December 8th of 1991, so just two days later. 1643 01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:55,361 The caller, Mr. Croft, worked for Longhorn Security, 1644 01:16:55,402 --> 01:16:58,697 and he had been a customer that night at the yogurt shop. 1645 01:16:58,781 --> 01:17:00,074 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL STRING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1646 01:17:00,157 --> 01:17:01,951 DAN: Said he was in the store till 10:15 p.m. 1647 01:17:02,034 --> 01:17:03,702 and noticed a White male in his late twenties, 1648 01:17:03,786 --> 01:17:05,162 acted strange. 1649 01:17:06,247 --> 01:17:07,331 "When I entered the store, 1650 01:17:07,414 --> 01:17:09,542 I saw a couple eating at one of the booths 1651 01:17:09,625 --> 01:17:12,753 and another couple ordering from one of the girls. 1652 01:17:12,837 --> 01:17:15,548 The Thomas girl was at the register. 1653 01:17:15,631 --> 01:17:18,050 There was a White male subject standing between the place 1654 01:17:18,092 --> 01:17:19,385 where you order at the counter 1655 01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:21,679 and the register where the Thomas girl was. 1656 01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,014 All of a sudden, the subject nudged me 1657 01:17:24,098 --> 01:17:25,266 and I turned to him and he said, 1658 01:17:25,349 --> 01:17:27,601 'Are you driving that car with the lights on top?' 1659 01:17:27,685 --> 01:17:29,019 He was talking about my work car, 1660 01:17:29,103 --> 01:17:30,437 which has overheads on it. 1661 01:17:30,521 --> 01:17:32,273 I said it was my car and then he asked me, 1662 01:17:32,356 --> 01:17:35,234 'Are you a cop, or security, or what are you?' 1663 01:17:35,276 --> 01:17:37,736 The girl asked what he wanted, and he hesitated for a minute 1664 01:17:37,820 --> 01:17:39,572 and then said, 'I want a cold drink.' 1665 01:17:39,613 --> 01:17:40,906 And this stuck me as funny, 1666 01:17:40,948 --> 01:17:42,700 because why would you just want a cold drink 1667 01:17:42,783 --> 01:17:44,076 if you're in a yogurt shop? 1668 01:17:45,327 --> 01:17:47,079 While he was at the register paying, 1669 01:17:47,163 --> 01:17:49,915 he asked the Thomas girl if they had a restroom. 1670 01:17:49,999 --> 01:17:51,500 She told him that it was in the back, 1671 01:17:51,584 --> 01:17:52,751 and he picked up his Sprite 1672 01:17:52,835 --> 01:17:54,753 and walked behind the counter to the back. 1673 01:17:55,754 --> 01:17:57,381 I stood there and talked to the Thomas girl 1674 01:17:57,464 --> 01:17:58,591 for a good ten to 15 minutes, 1675 01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:01,760 mostly to see if the subject was going to come back out. 1676 01:18:01,802 --> 01:18:03,929 I kind of had a bad feeling about him anyway. 1677 01:18:03,971 --> 01:18:05,389 But he never did. 1678 01:18:05,431 --> 01:18:06,891 After a while, my yogurt started to melt 1679 01:18:06,974 --> 01:18:08,434 and I said goodbye and left. 1680 01:18:08,475 --> 01:18:09,935 He was a White male. 1681 01:18:10,019 --> 01:18:12,271 He was about 5'9'', and had a medium build. 1682 01:18:12,354 --> 01:18:14,273 After that, I went to the football game in Houston 1683 01:18:14,315 --> 01:18:15,774 and then we got back to Austin on Sunday 1684 01:18:15,858 --> 01:18:18,277 and I heard about the news of the murders." 1685 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:19,570 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1686 01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:21,655 And that's when it ends. 1687 01:18:23,657 --> 01:18:25,826 We'll never know for sure if that was Brashers, 1688 01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:27,411 but it definitely fits the storyline 1689 01:18:27,494 --> 01:18:28,495 of maybe he got in there, 1690 01:18:28,579 --> 01:18:29,997 used the restroom, and didn't come out. 1691 01:18:31,415 --> 01:18:33,542 Or went up and propped open the back door. 1692 01:18:33,626 --> 01:18:35,461 (SIREN WAILING) 1693 01:18:35,544 --> 01:18:38,881 ♪ (MELANCHOLIC INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1694 01:18:41,759 --> 01:18:44,803 I was sitting here and there was a sea of red. 1695 01:18:46,055 --> 01:18:48,974 (SIGHS) Fire trucks with lights flashing. 1696 01:18:50,559 --> 01:18:53,395 Patrol units with their lights flashing. 1697 01:18:57,191 --> 01:18:59,693 There was smoke. I could still see smoke... 1698 01:19:00,736 --> 01:19:02,738 coming out where they vented the roof. 1699 01:19:02,821 --> 01:19:05,741 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1700 01:19:05,824 --> 01:19:09,662 -(INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER) -(RADIO BEEPS) 1701 01:19:12,373 --> 01:19:15,292 So, I come in here and... 1702 01:19:15,376 --> 01:19:17,503 (SIREN WAILING) 1703 01:19:17,586 --> 01:19:20,005 ...I knew enough not to go around this way, 1704 01:19:20,089 --> 01:19:22,716 and this is where I park. 1705 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,386 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1706 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,639 JONES: The fingernails made it for me. 1707 01:19:29,556 --> 01:19:31,475 There could be no cross-contamination 1708 01:19:31,517 --> 01:19:34,061 with what's under her fingernails, and... 1709 01:19:35,104 --> 01:19:37,856 That is investigator 101 1710 01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:42,027 that on sexual assaults where the victims live, 1711 01:19:42,111 --> 01:19:45,531 -you always scrape the fingernails. -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1712 01:19:45,572 --> 01:19:47,950 -You know, bag it up and send it off. -MARGARET: Who is that? 1713 01:19:48,033 --> 01:19:48,993 I'm sorry? 1714 01:19:49,076 --> 01:19:51,203 MARGARET: 1715 01:19:51,245 --> 01:19:52,496 Huh? 1716 01:19:52,579 --> 01:19:54,290 -Jeez. -SONORA: Mm-hmm. 1717 01:19:55,582 --> 01:19:58,043 -JONES: Jeez, Sonora. -(SONORA SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 1718 01:19:58,127 --> 01:20:00,045 JONES: I don't know what to say about this. (LAUGHS) 1719 01:20:00,087 --> 01:20:01,338 SONORA: (LAUGHS) I know. 1720 01:20:01,380 --> 01:20:04,675 Well, and I wouldn't... I don't usually come here. 1721 01:20:04,717 --> 01:20:07,970 -You know, it's a little challenging, obviously. -♪ (SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1722 01:20:08,053 --> 01:20:10,055 But this friend that I had breakfast with said, 1723 01:20:10,097 --> 01:20:11,432 "I wanted to buy flowers 1724 01:20:11,515 --> 01:20:12,808 and bring them over to the yogurt shop. 1725 01:20:12,891 --> 01:20:14,727 I don't know if you're up for it." 1726 01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:16,645 And I said, well, you know, I'm pr-- 1727 01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:18,731 you know, practicing saying yes to everything. 1728 01:20:18,772 --> 01:20:21,108 And I said, "Sure, let's-- lemme try it." 1729 01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:27,364 -How about this, huh? -JONES: Yeah. 1730 01:20:28,365 --> 01:20:30,784 -(SONORA SIGHS) -Thirty-four years. 1731 01:20:31,994 --> 01:20:35,372 I mean, it's so heartening to see all these flowers here. 1732 01:20:35,456 --> 01:20:38,208 It's like so many people still think about it. 1733 01:20:38,292 --> 01:20:40,919 -Please, go ahead. -JONES: Oh, yes. 1734 01:20:44,882 --> 01:20:49,053 ♪ (EMOTIONAL PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1735 01:20:51,889 --> 01:20:54,308 MOURNER 1: 1736 01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:58,854 -Oh, wow. -MOURNER 1: 1737 01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:04,777 MOURNER 1: 1738 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,612 SONORA: 1739 01:21:06,695 --> 01:21:09,114 MOURNER 1: 1740 01:21:11,158 --> 01:21:12,284 SONORA: Mm-hmm. 1741 01:21:13,327 --> 01:21:15,037 MOURNER 1: All right, I'll let y'all go. 1742 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,748 -Yeah. Thanks for coming by. -MOURNER 1: Yeah. It was nice meeting you. 1743 01:21:20,084 --> 01:21:22,586 ♪ (MELANCHOLIC INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1744 01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:24,213 ARNE ASTAD: We were cleaning the dining room 1745 01:21:24,296 --> 01:21:26,673 because at that time, Gatti's had a buffet. 1746 01:21:27,508 --> 01:21:29,051 I was back doing dishes 1747 01:21:29,134 --> 01:21:30,803 and Dave was vacuuming and he goes, 1748 01:21:30,844 --> 01:21:31,970 "Oh, look out there, 1749 01:21:32,054 --> 01:21:34,306 there's fire trucks out in the parking lot." 1750 01:21:34,348 --> 01:21:35,599 From this shopping center, 1751 01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:36,809 to the end of that shopping center, 1752 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:40,354 to the wallpaper place, we all shared the same attic. 1753 01:21:41,063 --> 01:21:43,232 So, smoke started coming in. 1754 01:21:43,315 --> 01:21:45,526 You know, we really didn't know at that time 1755 01:21:45,609 --> 01:21:47,236 until like after 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. 1756 01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:49,571 Then we heard, like, the tragic news. 1757 01:21:54,118 --> 01:21:55,369 Well, thank you. 1758 01:21:55,452 --> 01:21:57,538 -Yeah, thank you so much. -Thank you. 1759 01:22:01,875 --> 01:22:03,252 (SIGHS) 1760 01:22:03,335 --> 01:22:04,920 Gosh, if we stay here long enough, 1761 01:22:05,003 --> 01:22:06,713 we're gonna meet all kinds of people. 1762 01:22:06,797 --> 01:22:08,757 I can't believe he was here that night. 1763 01:22:11,051 --> 01:22:13,470 MOURNER 2: 1764 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:17,766 SONORA: Right. 1765 01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:20,853 And I feel sorry for those boys that got sent to prison too 1766 01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:23,689 because of the police work then. 1767 01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:24,815 Right. 1768 01:22:24,898 --> 01:22:26,525 They thought they did it, but they didn't really. 1769 01:22:26,567 --> 01:22:28,569 And it was like, "Oh my goodness." 1770 01:22:29,611 --> 01:22:30,737 SONORA: Yeah. 1771 01:22:38,954 --> 01:22:40,247 (JONES SIGHS) 1772 01:22:44,001 --> 01:22:45,627 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1773 01:22:47,546 --> 01:22:49,590 -Oh, we lived to see this. -This is... This is... 1774 01:22:49,673 --> 01:22:51,633 -Yeah. -(SIGHS) 1775 01:22:51,717 --> 01:22:53,886 It's all the work you did that night. 1776 01:22:53,927 --> 01:22:57,556 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1777 01:22:57,639 --> 01:23:00,767 SONORA: To me, it's so sweet that people remember. 1778 01:23:01,852 --> 01:23:04,480 And at the same time, I hope people forget. 1779 01:23:05,522 --> 01:23:06,940 (SCOFFS) 1780 01:23:07,024 --> 01:23:09,443 Let's all create new stories. 1781 01:23:11,361 --> 01:23:12,905 Life has to be generative. 1782 01:23:12,946 --> 01:23:16,450 We can't keep holding on to the past. 1783 01:23:16,533 --> 01:23:19,411 I think that's why I'm starting to think... 1784 01:23:19,453 --> 01:23:21,538 about, "What's it going to be like a year from now?" 1785 01:23:21,622 --> 01:23:23,624 I mean, this story will always be with me. 1786 01:23:23,707 --> 01:23:26,084 -Gimme a kiss, Sonora. -(KISSES) 1787 01:23:26,168 --> 01:23:29,046 SONORA: But again, it's not like I'm living in the mystery 1788 01:23:29,129 --> 01:23:30,464 and the angst of it. 1789 01:23:31,965 --> 01:23:33,383 Yeah, there's the creek. 1790 01:23:38,138 --> 01:23:40,933 I feel like this whole thing is almost over. 1791 01:23:42,309 --> 01:23:45,854 And at some point this is just gonna be history. 1792 01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:48,774 It'll be something we remember, 1793 01:23:48,857 --> 01:23:51,401 but it's not something we're living through anymore. 1794 01:23:52,861 --> 01:23:55,822 It's like now we have the answers and we can... 1795 01:23:59,576 --> 01:24:01,286 put the question behind us. 1796 01:24:01,370 --> 01:24:03,705 Maybe that's the part we can put behind us. 1797 01:24:08,835 --> 01:24:10,879 BARBARA: So many memories and so many... 1798 01:24:10,963 --> 01:24:13,840 Y'all have seen everything... The world has seen so much. 1799 01:24:14,675 --> 01:24:16,009 Yeah, that was Sarah's. 1800 01:24:16,843 --> 01:24:19,638 But there's not too many left. 1801 01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,849 Now, it's taken over with my new grandkids. 1802 01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:27,479 Who is this from? Maddie. She made me a hat. 1803 01:24:28,438 --> 01:24:29,982 By the way, I think y'all are all nuts 1804 01:24:30,023 --> 01:24:32,317 for being in this business. 1805 01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:34,736 It's so... it's such a weird business. 1806 01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:35,946 -(LAUGHS) Just... -(MARGARET LAUGHS) 1807 01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:38,907 I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way to anybody 1808 01:24:38,991 --> 01:24:41,785 over all these years who's interviewed me. 1809 01:24:41,868 --> 01:24:43,662 No disrespect. 1810 01:24:43,704 --> 01:24:45,706 But I'm so glad that's over with. 1811 01:24:45,789 --> 01:24:47,874 What a blessing, I wasn't... 1812 01:24:47,958 --> 01:24:49,459 I didn't know this would ever happen, 1813 01:24:49,543 --> 01:24:51,628 but this will be my last interview. 1814 01:24:52,421 --> 01:24:53,755 You're supposed to let this shit go, 1815 01:24:53,839 --> 01:24:55,507 'cause this eats you up. 1816 01:24:55,591 --> 01:24:58,385 ♪ (GENTLE EMOTIONAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1817 01:24:58,468 --> 01:25:00,387 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 1818 01:25:02,055 --> 01:25:06,810 -Hold on to that plate. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1819 01:25:06,893 --> 01:25:08,895 SHAWN: Our fight for this case is over with. 1820 01:25:10,314 --> 01:25:12,065 Our fight is not done for other people. 1821 01:25:13,525 --> 01:25:15,152 ANGIE AYERS: Trying to make a place where we can 1822 01:25:15,235 --> 01:25:17,446 include forensic experts, 1823 01:25:17,529 --> 01:25:20,032 DNA experts, genealogists, geneticists, 1824 01:25:20,073 --> 01:25:22,826 victims' advocates, all wrapped into one. 1825 01:25:22,868 --> 01:25:25,370 So, if people had questions, they can reach out to one place. 1826 01:25:25,412 --> 01:25:26,580 A nonprofit. 1827 01:25:26,663 --> 01:25:30,751 What we put our energy forward now is towards that. 1828 01:25:32,419 --> 01:25:33,754 ANGIE: Trying to help other families 1829 01:25:33,837 --> 01:25:34,963 with whatever they're going through 1830 01:25:35,047 --> 01:25:36,840 'cause everybody's journey is different. 1831 01:25:37,799 --> 01:25:40,093 SHAWN: Hopefully to solve some more cases. 1832 01:25:40,177 --> 01:25:42,095 And get some more answers for people, 1833 01:25:42,179 --> 01:25:43,597 so they don't have to wonder no more. 1834 01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:49,269 -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ -(BIRDS CHIRPING) 1835 01:25:49,353 --> 01:25:50,812 MARGARET: 1836 01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:00,989 If it turns out that they had nothing at all to do with it, 1837 01:26:01,073 --> 01:26:02,908 I would feel like I had been fooled. 1838 01:26:02,949 --> 01:26:07,496 If they just happened to make up the body positions, 1839 01:26:07,579 --> 01:26:08,538 I would just have been fooled. 1840 01:26:08,622 --> 01:26:10,957 I was acting on this stuff and that didn't happen, 1841 01:26:11,041 --> 01:26:12,084 who knows? 1842 01:26:13,126 --> 01:26:14,127 Then I was wrong. 1843 01:26:14,211 --> 01:26:17,756 If the investigators get something wrong or gets fooled, 1844 01:26:17,839 --> 01:26:22,260 it's not his decision that puts them in prison, 1845 01:26:22,344 --> 01:26:25,347 it's the decision of these 12... 1846 01:26:26,014 --> 01:26:28,642 MARGARET: 1847 01:26:28,725 --> 01:26:31,311 Well, I still don't think... (CHUCKLES) ...it's wrong myself. 1848 01:26:31,395 --> 01:26:33,480 ♪ (SOMBER PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1849 01:26:33,563 --> 01:26:36,525 WARE: I've never seen a case quite like this 1850 01:26:36,608 --> 01:26:39,361 where so many people, so many professionals, 1851 01:26:39,444 --> 01:26:42,614 were so absolutely sure that they were right, 1852 01:26:42,698 --> 01:26:45,534 all along, tragically, very, very wrong. 1853 01:26:45,617 --> 01:26:49,913 REPORTER: 1854 01:26:51,623 --> 01:26:54,084 WARE: There's a whole area of study 1855 01:26:54,167 --> 01:26:56,086 that professors write about, et cetera, 1856 01:26:56,169 --> 01:26:57,462 called innocence deniers, 1857 01:26:57,504 --> 01:27:01,091 and it's often police, prosecutors, et cetera, 1858 01:27:01,174 --> 01:27:03,844 will contort in their own mind, 1859 01:27:03,927 --> 01:27:05,929 "Well, okay, there's this new evidence, 1860 01:27:06,012 --> 01:27:08,348 but the original guy's still guilty," and why? 1861 01:27:08,432 --> 01:27:09,683 PHOTOGRAPHER: Two, one. 1862 01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:11,560 WARE: The evidence is so overwhelming now 1863 01:27:11,643 --> 01:27:15,105 that I think probably, everybody pretty much accepts it. 1864 01:27:15,147 --> 01:27:18,775 I expect that they will get a judicial declaration 1865 01:27:18,817 --> 01:27:21,737 that they are actually innocent and that they are exonerated. 1866 01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:25,365 ♪ (SOMBER PIANO MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1867 01:27:25,449 --> 01:27:27,492 JOSÉ P. GARZA: I don't think we've ever been here before. 1868 01:27:27,534 --> 01:27:29,828 We have a situation where 1869 01:27:29,911 --> 01:27:31,913 their convictions were thrown out. 1870 01:27:33,707 --> 01:27:36,585 No one has been convicted of a crime. 1871 01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:39,755 Yet the burden and weight of the allegation 1872 01:27:39,838 --> 01:27:42,841 has clung to them for 30 years, 1873 01:27:42,883 --> 01:27:45,886 and they carry it with them everywhere they go. 1874 01:27:45,969 --> 01:27:47,888 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 1875 01:27:50,265 --> 01:27:52,184 JOSÉ: The interrogations that led 1876 01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:55,187 to these so-called confessions were flawed, 1877 01:27:55,228 --> 01:27:57,564 they were unlawful, they were unjust. 1878 01:27:57,647 --> 01:27:58,899 DETECTIVE: 1879 01:27:58,982 --> 01:28:00,358 JOSÉ: Unfortunately, 1880 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,487 there were many Hector Polancos during that time. 1881 01:28:03,528 --> 01:28:06,364 There was a culture that he didn't start 1882 01:28:06,448 --> 01:28:08,074 and he certainly wasn't the last of. 1883 01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:11,995 It was a moment in our history 1884 01:28:12,078 --> 01:28:14,623 that we have an obligation to understand 1885 01:28:14,706 --> 01:28:17,334 and to do everything we can to make right. 1886 01:28:17,417 --> 01:28:18,752 There needs to be a reckoning. 1887 01:28:20,337 --> 01:28:22,756 ♪ (MUSIC TURNS TENSE) ♪ 1888 01:28:22,839 --> 01:28:25,300 (INDISTINCT MURMURING) 1889 01:28:44,194 --> 01:28:45,278 BAILIFF: All rise. 1890 01:28:51,576 --> 01:28:52,786 JUDGE DAYNA BLAZEY: Please be seated. 1891 01:28:52,869 --> 01:28:54,496 Good morning, everybody. 1892 01:28:57,999 --> 01:28:59,292 TRUDY STRASSBURGER: Every day in this courthouse, 1893 01:28:59,376 --> 01:29:01,795 the state asks people to take responsibility 1894 01:29:01,878 --> 01:29:03,922 for harm they've caused to another. 1895 01:29:04,005 --> 01:29:06,550 And then we do what we can to assist in repairing the harm. 1896 01:29:06,633 --> 01:29:07,592 ♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1897 01:29:07,634 --> 01:29:11,263 Today, it's our turn to accept responsibility 1898 01:29:11,304 --> 01:29:13,265 and to use the truth to mitigate harm, 1899 01:29:13,348 --> 01:29:16,226 so we can help all involved heal and move forward. 1900 01:29:17,143 --> 01:29:18,562 Over 25 years ago, 1901 01:29:18,645 --> 01:29:21,106 the state prosecuted four innocent men, 1902 01:29:21,147 --> 01:29:23,316 teenage boys at the time of the crime, 1903 01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,945 in what is known as the 1991 yogurt shop murders. 1904 01:29:27,028 --> 01:29:30,657 The wrongful prosecutions caused harm to Amy Ayers, 1905 01:29:30,740 --> 01:29:34,661 Eliza Thomas, and sisters, Jennifer and Sarah Harbison. 1906 01:29:34,744 --> 01:29:36,329 They deserve justice. 1907 01:29:37,831 --> 01:29:40,000 There was harm to the families of the girls. 1908 01:29:40,083 --> 01:29:41,585 They were asked to trust us 1909 01:29:41,626 --> 01:29:43,920 when we told them we had the perpetrators. 1910 01:29:43,962 --> 01:29:46,298 And now they've been asked to put away the thoughts 1911 01:29:46,339 --> 01:29:48,300 and feelings that festered for decades 1912 01:29:48,383 --> 01:29:50,010 with eyes on the wrong people, 1913 01:29:50,093 --> 01:29:53,054 uncertainty, and a lack of finality. 1914 01:29:53,138 --> 01:29:54,973 There was harm caused to this community. 1915 01:29:55,056 --> 01:29:57,934 Believing that teenagers were capable of these acts 1916 01:29:58,018 --> 01:30:00,103 changed our perception of humanity. 1917 01:30:01,354 --> 01:30:03,273 It goes without saying that harm was caused 1918 01:30:03,356 --> 01:30:05,901 to the four wrongfully prosecuted. 1919 01:30:05,984 --> 01:30:07,861 Today, we are going to take the first step 1920 01:30:07,944 --> 01:30:10,864 in righting that harm by shining a light on the truth. 1921 01:30:10,947 --> 01:30:12,991 ♪ (REFLECTIVE PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1922 01:30:13,033 --> 01:30:15,535 JUDGE DAYNA: Please have a seat on the witness stand. 1923 01:30:15,619 --> 01:30:17,287 TRUDY: Did your investigation uncover 1924 01:30:17,370 --> 01:30:19,205 any forensic or physical evidence 1925 01:30:19,289 --> 01:30:20,832 connecting any of the four to the murders? 1926 01:30:20,916 --> 01:30:21,958 No. 1927 01:30:22,042 --> 01:30:24,002 TRUDY: Did your investigation uncover any evidence 1928 01:30:24,085 --> 01:30:26,338 connecting the four to Robert Brashers in any way? 1929 01:30:26,421 --> 01:30:27,464 No. 1930 01:30:27,547 --> 01:30:28,673 TRUDY: And in the confessions, 1931 01:30:28,715 --> 01:30:31,301 there were confessions to the sexual assaults. 1932 01:30:31,384 --> 01:30:34,262 Based on what you knew about the exclusions of the four 1933 01:30:34,346 --> 01:30:36,514 from the vaginal swabs, is that possible? 1934 01:30:36,556 --> 01:30:37,599 DAN: No. 1935 01:30:41,770 --> 01:30:43,563 MICHAEL SCOTT: My name is Michael James Scott. 1936 01:30:44,230 --> 01:30:47,567 On December 6th, 1999, 1937 01:30:47,651 --> 01:30:51,279 when the yogurt shop murders occurred, I was 17 years old. 1938 01:30:52,572 --> 01:30:55,700 I did not commit those crimes. I had no involvement in them, 1939 01:30:55,742 --> 01:30:59,829 and I have maintained my innocence every day since. 1940 01:30:59,913 --> 01:31:02,832 I was accused, tried, and wrongfully convicted. 1941 01:31:03,959 --> 01:31:06,461 I lost my family. I lost my youth. 1942 01:31:07,420 --> 01:31:09,255 I lost my early adulthood. 1943 01:31:10,799 --> 01:31:13,218 No court ruling can return the years 1944 01:31:13,301 --> 01:31:15,720 and the love that were taken from me, 1945 01:31:15,762 --> 01:31:17,597 but it can acknowledge the truth. 1946 01:31:19,265 --> 01:31:20,308 I am not guilty. 1947 01:31:21,893 --> 01:31:24,938 Statement of Robert Springsteen IV. 1948 01:31:25,021 --> 01:31:27,899 This is the statement of Forrest Brook Welborn. 1949 01:31:29,109 --> 01:31:33,738 My name is Phil Scott. Michael Scott is my son. 1950 01:31:34,406 --> 01:31:36,282 My name is Janine Casey. 1951 01:31:36,366 --> 01:31:38,326 I am Michael Scott's former wife. 1952 01:31:39,285 --> 01:31:41,997 Death by cop is not how I envisioned 1953 01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,416 my husband's life ending. 1954 01:31:44,499 --> 01:31:48,461 I'm so proud of Forrest for never wavering 1955 01:31:49,379 --> 01:31:52,924 on his innocence in this horrible crime. 1956 01:31:52,966 --> 01:31:56,886 To the Austin Police Department, the DA's office, 1957 01:31:56,970 --> 01:31:58,722 and to Paul Johnson... (VOICE BREAKS) 1958 01:32:00,390 --> 01:32:01,474 (SNIFFLES) 1959 01:32:02,308 --> 01:32:03,810 ...your tunnel vision... 1960 01:32:05,812 --> 01:32:07,814 stole my daddy's future. 1961 01:32:09,983 --> 01:32:13,069 JUDGE DAYNA: Today's decision is not an act of generosity. 1962 01:32:13,111 --> 01:32:15,405 It is an act of obligation. 1963 01:32:15,447 --> 01:32:18,783 No ruling can restore the time taken from you. 1964 01:32:18,867 --> 01:32:20,660 No judgment can fully remedy 1965 01:32:20,744 --> 01:32:22,829 the burden that you have carried. 1966 01:32:22,912 --> 01:32:26,041 But the court can and does... 1967 01:32:27,333 --> 01:32:31,796 state without qualification or hesitation 1968 01:32:31,838 --> 01:32:34,049 -that you are cleared... -♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 1969 01:32:35,050 --> 01:32:38,261 ...and that your innocence is affirmed. 1970 01:32:39,095 --> 01:32:40,680 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1971 01:32:42,015 --> 01:32:44,100 Three, two, one. 1972 01:32:44,184 --> 01:32:46,478 Today's testimony centered on loss, 1973 01:32:46,519 --> 01:32:49,814 the pain of losing families and losing youth, 1974 01:32:49,898 --> 01:32:51,733 as the four men wrongfully accused 1975 01:32:51,816 --> 01:32:53,318 in the yogurt shop murders 1976 01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:55,487 waited to have their names cleared. 1977 01:32:55,528 --> 01:32:57,989 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1978 01:33:11,961 --> 01:33:12,921 Mm-hmm. 1979 01:33:13,004 --> 01:33:14,005 And, um... 1980 01:33:34,192 --> 01:33:36,653 (INDISTINCT CHATTER CONTINUES) 1981 01:33:37,612 --> 01:33:39,322 I just want you to know that. 1982 01:33:41,032 --> 01:33:42,867 -Okay? -Thank you. 1983 01:33:46,037 --> 01:33:47,080 Yes. 1984 01:33:47,163 --> 01:33:51,543 ♪ (SOFT PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1985 01:33:59,259 --> 01:34:01,094 DAN: Can you get it up there without moving the... 1986 01:34:02,595 --> 01:34:04,139 SGT. MELANIE RODRIGUEZ: The story has been updated 1987 01:34:04,222 --> 01:34:06,015 with a new ending. 1988 01:34:07,475 --> 01:34:09,727 DAN: Same spot, but just updated. 1989 01:34:12,689 --> 01:34:14,065 That actually looks good. 1990 01:34:14,107 --> 01:34:16,192 Yeah. Looks pretty even. 1991 01:34:16,818 --> 01:34:17,861 Yeah. 1992 01:34:23,908 --> 01:34:27,871 ♪ (SOFT PENSIVE MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1993 01:34:47,432 --> 01:34:52,020 ♪ (GENTLE PIANO MELODY PLAYS) ♪ 1994 01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:20,191 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪