1 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,920 - (beeping, crackling) 2 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,960 - You need to sit right there, buddy. 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,120 We are going to try our best to make a case. 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,120 OK? A criminal case. We're gonna try our best. 5 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,680 But you need to understand that we're gonna need your cooperation. 6 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,920 - He wanted to show you how to masturbate? 7 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,080 - He... OK. 8 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,640 - One of the Sheriffs came over to me, and he said, 9 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,000 'When he's found guilty, 10 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,720 we're gonna get him out of there so fast... 11 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,920 that your head is gonna spin.' 12 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,080 MESEREAU: It was the most covered criminal trial in American history. 13 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,080 - They decided to infuse the celebrity factor into this case 14 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,800 significantly: Michael Jackson knew a lot of celebrities. 15 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:22,680 - Anybody who claims... 16 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,680 that they know what a jury's gonna do is a fool. 17 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,280 - It was a really rough week: 18 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,720 it was very emotional, up-and-down roller coaster. 19 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,000 - I myself wanted to walk out. 20 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,160 - I was convinced that Michael Jackson had... 21 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:37,120 molested Gavin Arvizo. 22 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,720 If there was a smoking gun for this juror, that was probably it. 23 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,400 MESEREAU: I was told that the police were expecting 24 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,160 some type of riot if Michael Jackson were convicted. 25 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:49,280 ZONEN: There were a lot of death threats. 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,960 - I was really shaking in my boots. 27 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,400 REPORTER: This could be the last time that Michael Jackson 28 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,040 is a free man for a long time. 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,920 TARABORRELLI: There was no way 30 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,280 Michael Jackson was ever gonna survive in prison. 31 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,840 - The Martin Bashir documentary, 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,840 Living With Michael Jackson, came out in 2003. 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,480 QUARLES: In the documentary, Michael's sitting next to Gavin. 34 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:10,120 Gavin's kinda curled up next to him, 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,800 and that's when the spotlight gets put on that relationship. 36 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,520 - I asked him if I could stay in his bedroom, and then he finally said, 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,280 'Mm-kay, if you love me, you can sleep on the bed.' 38 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,920 - What? What did he just say? 39 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,400 - People don't want to believe that people we admire 40 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,200 are also people who can do harmful things. 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,200 - And Michael Jackson, the fizzled King of Pop, 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,640 surrendered to authorities in Santa Barbara, California. 43 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,600 The charges? Child molestation. 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,680 - Today's opening statements were presented in stark detail 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,160 and decidedly not fit for the dinner hour. 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,520 - I never had as many good days in cross-examination, in any trial, 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,200 as I had in the Michael Jackson trial: 48 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,720 I felt as I was shooting dominoes. I mean, I really did. 49 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,480 - He came into Michael Jackson's bedroom 50 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:54,560 and observed the molestation with his own eyes. 51 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,880 - I think they proved that this is Michael Jackson's MO: 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,680 this is what he does, 53 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,400 and this is how he does it, and it's not just Gavin. 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,960 - I would go home some nights thinking, 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,080 'Oh, my God, did he do it?' 56 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,240 - The boy's mother, 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,640 who has been a lightning rod for controversy in the case, 58 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,680 has made it to the courthouse for the first time 59 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,560 since the start of the trial. 60 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,960 REPORTER: She is very important for the prosecution's case 61 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,240 with regard to the conspiracy charge. 62 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,080 The prosecution claims that Jackson and his associates 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,760 conspired to hold the accuser and his family against their will. 64 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,200 - The prosecution said that because... 65 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,520 the Bashir documentary was such a PR disaster, 66 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,920 and this young boy, Gavin, is at the centre of it, 67 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,480 they wanted to keep this family under wraps. 68 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,520 And they wanted to get this family to do a rebuttal video. 69 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,280 - (beep) 70 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,400 MAN 1: Very quiet, please. MAN 2: Everybody settle. Thank you. 71 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,560 - The Santa Barbara investigators 72 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,440 go after Michael Jackson after the Bashir documentary, 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,360 but they initially don't know... 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,520 that this bombshell video of the very family 75 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,640 that ultimately accuses Michael Jackson of molestation exists, 76 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,560 where the same family is praising him to the hilt. 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,480 - We may be broken... but Michael fixed us. 78 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,520 - They come upon this video... 79 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,280 ..'What are we gonna do?' 80 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,480 So what happens is... 81 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,520 there's another charge added. 82 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,000 They add a conspiracy charge. 83 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,600 The DA is saying Michael Jackson didn't start molesting Gavin 84 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,880 until after the family made that video. 85 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,800 ZONEN: Janet had no idea that Gavin had been molested at that point, 86 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,760 and much of the molestation occurred after that date. 87 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,760 REPORTER 1: Stunning new charges added 88 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,720 to the Michael Jackson indictment in court today. 89 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,320 REPORTER 2: The last count stems from charges by the accuser 90 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,680 and his family that they were intimidated by Jackson employees 91 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:19,680 and detained at Neverland against their will. 92 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:21,880 - Every day is a new day... 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,080 by God's grace... 94 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,920 via Michael pulling us together... 95 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,960 as a tight-knit family. 96 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,800 - Michael Jackson's people engaged in a pattern of behaviour 97 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,240 that's very consistent with their belief... 98 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,720 that Michael Jackson had engaged in crimes against this child. 99 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,880 They pulled the kids out of school. 100 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,560 They moved the family's possessions out of their apartment 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,840 and put them in storage someplace where they didn't know. 102 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,760 They got them visas, one-way tickets, 103 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,160 passports to go to Brazil. 104 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,320 They were moving them out of the country. 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,120 REPORTER: The question before the jury: 106 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:59,120 was the family held against its will? 107 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,720 The accuser's mother testified that she never witnessed any molestation 108 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,840 and did not see the pop star give her young children alcohol, 109 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,880 but she is still a key witness for the conspiracy charge. 110 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,840 AMEN: Janet Arvizo was not held against her will. 111 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,960 Janet was calling the shots. 112 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,520 We did whatever Janet wanted us to do. 113 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,000 'Take me here. Take me there. 114 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,160 Take me to Robinsons-May for bras. 115 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,040 I feel like having ice cream. Take me for ice cream.' 116 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,680 You can't hold someone hostage 117 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:28,880 when you're taking them where they wanna go. 118 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,480 - The thing that really hurt the prosecution, 119 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,840 if she, indeed, was being held against her own will, 120 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,240 why was she out with her boyfriend? 121 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,800 Why was she getting bikini waxes? Why didn't she call the police? 122 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,320 - I was in communication with the Arvizo family, 123 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,680 pretty much daily, at that time. 124 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,800 There was nothing where they ever gave me any indication 125 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,120 that they were being held against their will 126 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,160 or that they were being harmed in any sort of way. 127 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,240 ZONEN: It's nonsense, because she had to stage her escape from there. 128 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,720 She says she had to go for a haircut appointment 129 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,000 and then was able to arrange to have her boyfriend meet her there, 130 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,800 coming through the back door, and whisked her out the back door. 131 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,400 REPORTER: And she talked about the infamous allegation 132 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,920 that on a flight from Miami, Jackson licked her son's head. 133 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,080 She even demonstrated the incident. 134 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,520 - Every time I would come home in the evening, 135 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,000 I would go spend a half hour or so... 136 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,960 just recording what I could remember from the day. 137 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,680 I recorded them for my own purpose, 138 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,080 and these recordings haven't been distributed anywhere. 139 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,320 If she's acting, she did a pretty good acting job, 140 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,200 but she got... she got really upset. 141 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,800 What still bothers me about what she said 142 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,120 is that if she was upset, 143 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,360 as she appeared to be in the courtroom today, 144 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,320 I just... I really don't understand why she... 145 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,520 didn't try to get ahold of the police immediately. 146 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,720 - I didn't believe that was something she saw... 147 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,400 ..and brushed it off, and walked away from the situation, 148 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:36,640 and continued to stay there. 149 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,800 - Why in the world would... 150 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,240 Michael Jackson lick some kid's head with 13 people on a plane? 151 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,320 Didn't make sense at all. 152 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,320 - I would have been through the roof, 153 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,640 and me and my children would have been gone, 154 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,720 and he probably would have been injured. 155 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,400 - There seemed to be a growing disconnect between these jurors 156 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,520 and that witness as the day went on, and that's dangerous. 157 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:02,000 - Janet Arvizo was probably the worst witness... 158 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,120 (chuckles) ..I've ever seen on the stand. 159 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,000 She somehow believed that she was in charge of the jury, 160 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,600 and she would snap her fingers at them... 161 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,720 ..after every answer. 162 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,760 And it was weird. 163 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,440 - In a trial that's not about physical evidence, or forensics, 164 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,360 but all about credibility, the mother of Michael Jackson's accuser 165 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,280 is a witness you'd have to see and hear to believe. 166 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,360 - People are having a hard time understanding: 167 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,760 is she for real? Is she hallucinating? 168 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,320 Is she on medication? She is that strange. 169 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,880 - (laughs) Janet from another planet. 170 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,680 She would point her fingers and... (exhales rhythmically) 171 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,480 - She was speaking directly to us, lots of pointing. 172 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,720 - I've been hearing descriptions that, literally, 173 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,040 the mother is turning to the jurors... 174 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,640 when being questioned, saying, 'Oh, no, that's not true.' 175 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,520 - It was almost like she was on stage 176 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,840 in front of a camera and acting. 177 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,000 ZONEN: Janet is difficult for a number of different reasons. 178 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,440 Janet was a victim of domestic violence that went for years. 179 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,600 Her experience, the decade-plus that she spent 180 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,840 in this very abusive relationship had consequences on her, 181 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,000 and it manifested itself in not-appealing ways. 182 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,280 - It's a wish come true. (exhales) 183 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,720 For example, to see my children... 184 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,040 interact with a ideal role... a father role model. 185 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,800 He plays with them, laughs with them. 186 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,480 He... 187 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,240 lets them win! (laughs) 188 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,080 ABRAMS She kept telling Mesereau, 'I'm acting.' 189 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,960 Obviously frustrated, she said, 190 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,840 and this has to be the quote of the day... 191 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,360 - For Tom Mesereau to portray her as a schemer 192 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,800 and a conniver was pretty easy. 193 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,720 - There had a been a lawsuit against JCPenney 194 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,040 in which a shoplifting allegation 195 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,520 had turned into an allegation of assault. 196 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,480 - Mesereau got this woman, the accuser's mother, 197 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,480 to admit that, yes, she had, in fact, lied in sworn depositions 198 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,960 in that case in the past: in other words, perjured herself. 199 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,160 - Right there, the jury thought, 200 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,080 'Shoplifter? The whole family's in on it? 201 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,160 They're all scamming?' 202 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,280 - It's very easy for us to look back and say, 203 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,360 'Oh, how could anyone have questioned her?' 204 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,840 There were real reasons. 205 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,240 Her past issues weren't things like, you know, drunk driving... 206 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,040 that would be irrelevant in the context of this case. 207 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,160 They directly related... 208 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,280 to lying about something in an effort to make money. 209 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,120 But it doesn't really address, cos they haven't provided a link yet, 210 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,880 to how kooky mom is convincing the rest of the kids 211 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,960 to tell these very consistent lies about Michael Jackson. 212 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,160 - Oh, I mean, I'm mindful of the fact 213 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,080 that this is a very challenging witness, 214 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,520 and it's gonna be difficult for a jury to be able to get past 215 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:02,080 the theatre that was her presentation 216 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,880 and concentrate on the facts. 217 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,360 But we believed Gavin. 218 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,960 Janet was challenging. She was challenging for all of us. 219 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,680 And so was Michael's ex-wife Debbie Rowe. 220 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,040 ABRAMS: Debbie Rowe may have been the single... 221 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,400 most highly anticipated witness in this trial. 222 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,800 - Michael and Debbie Rowe had this sort of tortured, 223 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,600 complicated relationship. 224 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,280 You know what they say about 'hell hath no fury.' 225 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,400 There was no woman more scorned at that time than Debbie Rowe. 226 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:35,760 - They had the perfect hostile witness 227 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,840 to help them nail Michael Jackson. 228 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,880 TARABORRELLI: This was gonna be a disaster for Michael. 229 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,160 - The sparks could fly later today 230 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,040 in the Michael Jackson child molestation trial 231 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,200 with the singer's ex-wife, the mother of two of his children, 232 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,880 set to take the witness stand. 233 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,120 - (church bell rings) 234 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,440 - Well, wedding bells have rung again for Michael Jackson. 235 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,520 REPORTER: The Gloved One giving his hand to longtime friend Debbie Rowe. 236 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:10,360 - (camera shutters clicking) 237 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,120 - There were so many questions 238 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,920 about Michael Jackson's relationship with Debbie Rowe, 239 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,800 many suggesting, 'Oh, it wasn't even a real marriage,' 240 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,800 and was she just a figurehead? 241 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,840 Was she just there to make it look like Michael Jackson was married? 242 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,120 REPORTER: The tabloids have had a field day 243 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,320 with Jackson's latest venture into family life, 244 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,600 but undaunted, his personal plans move forward. 245 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,520 - So in 1997, 246 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:37,440 Michael Jackson and Debbie Rowe have their first child, Prince. 247 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,280 - Prince, you want a Life Saver? - Yes. 248 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,880 - Shake... If you want a Life Saver, shake it for me. 249 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,680 - Then in 1998, they have their daughter, Paris. 250 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,280 - Stand... What a shame. Where's your guys' rhythm? 251 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,760 - (person laughs) - Then the next year, they divorce: 252 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,480 when they divorced, the agreement was Michael'd raise the children, 253 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,400 and Debbie really wouldn't have much to do with their lives. 254 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:09,720 REPORTER: Ultimately, Rowe signed away her parental rights 255 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,440 to both Prince Michael Jr and Paris-Michael Katherine. 256 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,000 VELEZ-MITCHELL: She had originally said, 'I don't need to be involved. 257 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,080 I trust Michael Jackson. He's gonna raise the kids,' 258 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,120 and then at a certain point, after these allegations particularly, 259 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,440 she wanted to be more involved with the kids. 260 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,520 TARABORRELLI: She was angry with Michael at that time. 261 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,400 He was preventing her from seeing her kids. 262 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,680 I mean, Michael wasn't even returning her phone calls. 263 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,920 REPORTER: The prosecution claims that Rowe was basically coerced 264 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,760 into doing this rebuttal video. 265 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,800 The prosecution says she was told 266 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,680 that she would only be given visitation rights 267 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,840 to see her two children that she has with Michael Jackson 268 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,720 if she participated in the interview. 269 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,080 They also say it was highly scripted. 270 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,160 - The prosecution wanted Debbie Rowe to testify in court, 271 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,400 in front of the jury, that, 272 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,760 'In the rebuttal video, I was given a script, 273 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,840 just like Arvizo and his family. 274 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,080 And we followed the script because Michael Jackson told us to.' 275 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,320 - Debbie Rowe had been assisting the prosecution, 276 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,600 and I think they thought she was gonna help them 277 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,680 establish their conspiracy charge: 278 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,120 that somehow, Michael Jackson falsely imprisoned the family... 279 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,480 abducted the children, 280 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,760 and in the process, forced them to do this rebuttal documentary. 281 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,720 - On the face of it, she would be a good prosecution witness. 282 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,200 The story's told that they had dinner with her, the prosecutors, 283 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,160 the night before she testified, and... 284 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,280 they thought they were gonna hit a home run. 285 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,720 - Then there was the boomerang. 286 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,240 - She did exactly the opposite: she destroyed their charge. 287 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,640 - It was clearly misreported that Debbie Rowe 288 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,560 was gonna come up on the stand and say 289 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,000 that she had the same experience as the accuser's mother. 290 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,600 The accuser's mother said the whole thing was scripted in her case. 291 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Debbie Rowe said that is definitely not true. 292 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,440 - She said Michael Jackson was a great father, 293 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,600 and that, yes, she participated in the rebuttal video. 294 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,840 She wanted to. Nobody made her. 295 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,880 She wanted to defend Michael Jackson. 296 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,520 - If he called me tonight and said, 297 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,080 'Let's have five more...' in a heartbeat. 298 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,240 INTERVIEWER: You would do it again? - In a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. 299 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,920 - She became a witness for the defence... 300 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,560 ..much to everybody's surprise. 301 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,040 She flipped on the prosecution. 302 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,960 DEUTSCH: It turned out that she still was in love with Michael. 303 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:10,720 It was amazing to see. 304 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,440 MESEREAU: I saw the look in her eyes of affection for Michael, 305 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,920 and she realised she was being asked to send him away to prison. 306 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:22,440 - It was the effect that he had 307 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,360 on all of these people who are intertwined with his life, 308 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,480 and for whom... They owed him. 309 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,440 I mean, Debbie Rowe was millions. 310 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:35,080 It was a constant battle that we had to deal with: 311 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,320 with the staff, with his friends, with his associates. 312 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,800 None of them were honest. None of them were candid. 313 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,000 VELEZ-MITCHELL: This was her valentine to Michael Jackson. 314 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,960 This was her ultimate gift. 315 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,960 This shows you the power that this megastar had on people, 316 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:54,800 that they literally would be a witness for the prosecution, 317 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,920 and then they would just testify as a defence witness 318 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,440 just to send him a message. 319 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,320 She was teary-eyed and looking at him longingly. 320 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,040 ALL: (chanting) Michael's innocent! Michael's innocent! 321 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,120 - There are certain people who have this magnetism, 322 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,800 and it's really... powerful. 323 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,280 REPORTER: They may not speak his language, 324 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,680 but they can sing his songs. ALL: (singing) She's just a girl... 325 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,840 who says that I am the one. 326 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,640 - He's a great performer. He's the greatest man I know of. 327 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,880 - (people chattering) 328 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,120 - Around the world, the devotion to Michael Jackson was rabid. 329 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,600 - I love you! I love you! - I love you. 330 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,960 MAN: We gotta go. Let go. Let go. 331 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:41,640 Stop. 332 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,120 GRACE: They had plastic surgery to look like him. 333 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,240 They dressed like him. They knew all his lyrics. 334 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,520 They practised his dance moves. I did! 335 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,440 - You had Michael Jackson, 336 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,920 the biggest pop star in the world, at court. 337 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,120 - (crowd screaming and whistling) 338 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,280 ABRAMS: This was truly international. 339 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,480 There were people who flew... 340 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,600 long distances to come to show up at the courthouse 341 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,280 and wanted their presence to be known. 342 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,760 - Anybody who thinks prosecuting an international superstar 343 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,800 is the same thing as prosecuting the guy 344 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,760 who just happens to be walking down the street... is kidding themself. 345 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,480 ALL: (chanting) Michael's innocent! 346 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,440 REPORTER: To his most fervent fans, 347 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,600 lined along the fence of this courthouse, 348 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,160 Michael Jackson is as much a victim as Gandhi, 349 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,200 Mandela, Martin Luther King. 350 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:31,280 And the victimiser? The media. 351 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,360 It was, after all, to a TV journalist 352 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,720 that Jackson admitted sleeping with children. 353 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,840 - I will never forget the... 354 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,400 ..anger and the vitriol... 355 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,640 ..the death threats, the hate mail... 356 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,520 when I said, 'He did it. 357 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,200 Michael Jackson's a child molester.' 358 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,080 - People care a lot more 359 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,400 about Michael Jackson as a person, I... 360 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,240 To this day, I still get... 361 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,000 hate mail on social media. 362 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Based on what I think was... 363 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,840 sober legal analysis during the trial. 364 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,520 REPORTER: One fan has been so abusive to this Reporter 365 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,960 that she's obtained a court restraining order 366 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:15,880 keeping him away from her. 367 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,160 ZONEN: There were a lot of death threats 368 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,120 When we walked around to the courthouse in Santa Maria, 369 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,440 we usually had armed guards with us. 370 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,360 We were just mindful that there were a lot of people out there 371 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,920 who viewed this case with suspicion. 372 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,400 - The prosecution rests in State versus Michael Jackson. 373 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,560 Now it's on the defence. 374 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,560 MESEREAU: When the prosecution rested its case, 375 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,160 I felt very good about our situation. 376 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,200 I had never had so many successful days 377 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,880 cross-examining prosecution witnesses in my life 378 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,840 as I'd had in their case in chief. 379 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,960 I had to wrestle with the thought of, 'What do I do? 380 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,280 Do I put on a defence case and risk subjecting 381 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,360 my witnesses to cross-examination? 382 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Will I get a hung jury? Will I get acquittals? What will I get?' 383 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,120 - I wanted the defence to rest, 384 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,520 because I just felt that the prosecution's case was so weak 385 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,440 that there was no way that he was ever gonna be found guilty. 386 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,080 HULTMAN: When the prosecution rested... 387 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,600 I don't think I really had any specific feelings... 388 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,600 one way or the other. 389 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,680 You know, he hadn't been proven guilty yet... 390 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,560 as far as I was concerned. 391 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,080 The prosecution had presented their case, 392 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,040 but there was a lot more to come. 393 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,040 - At that time, I really still wasn't sure, 394 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,720 so I wanted to keep an open mind for when... 395 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,760 the defence could pull in their witnesses. 396 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,240 MESEREAU: I felt we had to take some risks. 397 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,280 We had to go all-out to get acquittals on every count. 398 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,240 And that's what I did. 399 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,480 There was a moment during the trial that... 400 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,280 I thought was very, very... important. 401 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:07,960 The prosecution rested their case, 402 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:09,880 and at the end of that day, 403 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,400 I was in the courtroom with Tom Sneddon. 404 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,320 Bailiffs were gone, lawyers were gone, 405 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,880 and Tom Sneddon said to me, 'Who are your first witnesses?' 406 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,320 And I told him, 'Our first witnesses are Wade Robson, 407 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Macaulay Culkin and Brett Barnes.' 408 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,560 And the blood just drained from his face. 409 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,320 I don't think he ever thought these witnesses would cooperate with us. 410 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,440 - The key for the defence was to bring in... 411 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,080 a series of witnesses who had been kids, 412 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,440 had been with Michael Jackson, even slept in his bed, 413 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,760 but to say nothing criminal happened. 414 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,160 The defence hoped the jurors would say, 'He may be weird. 415 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,720 He may have been inappropriate. But he wasn't a criminal.' 416 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,920 REPORTER: Star choreographer Wade Robson told jurors 417 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,960 he first met Jackson at age five 418 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:08,760 and shared a bed with him more than 20 times until he was 14. 419 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,400 - He was so adamant he was never mistreated by Michael, in any way, 420 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,560 that I decided to make him our first witness. 421 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,600 - Wade got up there and said nothing happened. 422 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,960 Absolutely nothing happened. 423 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,560 DEUTSCH: He was asked if he ever molested him. 424 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,200 He said absolutely not. 425 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:32,360 He was asked if he ever touched him inappropriately. 'No.' 426 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,480 ZONEN: We knew a lot of information. 427 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,360 We knew about the relationship that he had with Michael Jackson. 428 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,720 We knew about the extended periods of time 429 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,000 that he spent in his home, and in his bed, 430 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,320 that went on for not just weeks and months, but years. 431 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,480 And there was just no way that we believed 432 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,200 that was a pure friendship without any sexual connotation to it. 433 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,680 REPORTER: Jurors seemed riveted as Robson was forced 434 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,800 to describe photos of naked boys 435 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,320 and read a series of graphic porn titles seized from Jackson's home. 436 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,840 - I would show him a picture and say, 437 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,680 'Are you comfortable with the idea of somebody, an adult man, 438 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240 who finds this type of material interesting, 439 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,040 and perhaps even exciting, 440 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,040 to be sharing a bed with a child?' 441 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,120 DEUTSCH: And his answer was kind of odd. 442 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,800 It was, 'If it was a stranger, yes. 443 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,600 But it was Michael. If it was Michael, no.' 444 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,880 ZONEN: How did I know that Wade Robson 445 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,000 was not telling the truth on the witness stand? 446 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,800 Because he was noticeably uncomfortable. 447 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,600 Those were challenging questions for him, and he didn't answer them well. 448 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,200 It was pretty obvious that he was not telling the truth. 449 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,200 VELEZ-MITCHELL: Many years after Michael Jackson died, 450 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,200 Wade tells a different story, 451 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:49,360 and it's a heartbreaking story, and it's gut-wrenching. 452 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,720 - He sexually abused me from 7 years old until 14. 453 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,720 - You can see how the power of this celebrity, 454 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,240 this superstar, was so potent that... 455 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600 he STILL wanted to impress... 456 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,760 and seek the approval of Michael Jackson, even on the witness stand. 457 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560 ZONEN: Robson has now acknowledged that he committed perjury. 458 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,520 Yes, it is somewhat disappointing when I see that there was 459 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,840 evidence that was available to us, but not available to us, 460 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,800 that we could have had at that time: 461 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,880 that Gavin wouldn't have been the only witness up there 462 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,600 testifying to sexual abuse, then it could very well have 463 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,760 made a difference, and yes, that was frustrating. 464 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,640 REPORTER: The second defence witness, Brett Barnes, 465 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,640 said the same thing: Barnes said he shared Jackson's bed... 466 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,800 until he was 19. 467 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,480 - Brett Barnes was obviously quite loyal to Jackson 468 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,880 and said that if Jackson had done anything like that, 469 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,720 he said, 'I wouldn't be here today,' that he just wouldn't stand for it. 470 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,280 - When Barnes sat down saying, 'I wasn't touched,' 471 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,680 I felt the prosecution's case was in jeopardy at that point. 472 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,160 - Barnes spent a full year with him, every day, every night, 473 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,520 as they travelled across the capitals of Europe, 474 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,920 and I understand Michael Jackson, and his predilections, 475 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,560 so no, I don't believe that for a full year 476 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,920 of sharing a bed with this child, he never touched him. 477 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,520 - One of the most well-known child actors in recent memory 478 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,320 is expected to testify today at the Michael Jackson trial: 479 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,440 now 24-year-old Macaulay Culkin. 480 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,800 - (people yelling to Macaulay) 481 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,920 REPORTER: The former child star Culkin 482 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,440 said he slept in the same bed with Jackson 483 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,480 but told the court nothing ever happened. 484 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,520 - What happened at the house? That's what all these things... 485 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,760 - That's what's so weird, you know? - What did happen? 486 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,880 - Nothing happened, you know? I mean, nothing, really. 487 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,760 I mean, we played video games, you know? 488 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,120 VELEZ-MITCHELL: He's a performer. He's a star himself. 489 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,280 And he gets on the witness stand, 490 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,240 and he very confidently says nothing happened. 491 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,600 His demeanour is calm, cool and collected. 492 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,920 He doesn't seem like a broken person. None of the kids did. 493 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,280 - It was powerful, cos it was one after the other, 494 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,560 and they all said that, no, 495 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,360 Michael did not touch them in any way. 496 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,600 - Ron Zonen had Macaulay Culkin on cross-exam, 497 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,760 and he noticed something that... 498 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,760 Culkin had said, earlier, 499 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,840 that he was never molested 'that he could recall.' 500 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,040 - And we have witnesses who say that they saw... 501 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,480 Macaulay Culkin asleep with Jackson with his hands up his pants. 502 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,720 It's, I suppose, possible that Macaulay Culkin doesn't know, 503 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,840 or remember, that he was molested. 504 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,200 - I can go in and change my son's clothes... 505 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:52,120 while he's asleep, 506 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,760 pull a sweatshirt over his head. 507 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,800 He never wakes up, 508 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,760 and he's only under the influence of skim milk. 509 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,360 Who knows what happened to Macaulay Culkin when he was asleep? 510 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,560 - It came across as corny. 511 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,040 It came across as someone who's desperate to find something 512 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,200 where they got nothing. 513 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,800 - I understood what Tom was doing, 514 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,000 and he's a lawyer, and I'm not: I'm just a writer. 515 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,200 But when he started bringing guys onto the witness stand 516 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,240 whose story was that they slept with Michael Jackson 517 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,400 and nothing happened... 518 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,040 ..I started feeling... 519 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,800 like this was not the best strategy. 520 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,680 - Even if you assume what they say is true, 521 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,040 it's still unsettling to think... 522 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640 I think that many of the jurors looked at Michael Jackson 523 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,320 and thought... 'I wonder.' 524 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,480 HULTMAN: I wasn't wondering. I just didn't flat-out believe it. 525 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,200 I felt, at that time, that these children had... 526 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,480 also been part of the group... 527 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,960 that had been molested by Michael Jackson. 528 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,360 - No matter how many times you said it was OK 529 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,280 for Michael to sleep in the same bed with a kid, 530 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,040 there are gonna be people out there who will disagree with that. 531 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,520 And I was worried about the jury at that point. 532 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,560 - Martin Bashir convinced Michael Jackson... 533 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,080 that this would be a professional, fair TV show, 534 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240 and Michael Jackson, fortunately... 535 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,000 had his own videographer during these interviews. 536 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,440 I argued with the Judge, 'If you're going to hurt us... 537 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,400 by playing this documentary, at least let us play the outtakes... 538 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,280 that were selectively edited, 539 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,160 which put a different perspective on Michael Jackson.' 540 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,640 Fortunately for us, the Judge... 541 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,400 said if they're gonna play the Bashir documentary, 542 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,560 the defence has a right to play the outtakes that were not included. 543 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,800 The Producer was not always candid with him, 544 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,360 and manipulated him in a sinister way. 545 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,680 There were ways that Bashir, in my opinion, 546 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,560 flattered Michael Jackson 547 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,920 and cajoled him into giving these interviews. 548 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,520 They haven't got a clue. 549 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,480 - The story of your life. 550 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,600 - It made me feel Bashir was being dishonest... 551 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,320 and that he had an alternative motive 552 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,960 for why he did that documentary, 553 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,960 and what he was after. 554 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,240 JACKSON: All I want to do is give people some bliss, 555 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,240 some escapism, and some fun and some joy. 556 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,160 Why hurt the guy who wants to bring a little sunshine in your life? 557 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,320 Why? 558 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,560 - I think our strongest witness was Michael Jackson... 559 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,640 in the Bashir documentary and in the outtakes, 560 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,600 particularly when Michael Jackson said, 561 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,160 'I would slit my wrists before I would hurt a child. 562 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,600 I would never do anything improper with a child.' 563 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,720 BASHIR: What about 1993? What happened? 564 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,600 What was Michael Jackson doing? - Cos they don't know me. 565 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,720 They don't know me. 566 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,080 All that was false. I'm a completely innocent guy. I would never do that. 567 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,840 I would slit my wrists before I would hurt a child. 568 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,960 - I think that was powerful testimony, 569 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,840 even though it was on videotape 570 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,440 and even though he wasn't cross-examined on it. 571 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,040 - People say, 'Why is he always with children?' 572 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,960 Well, I was raised in a world with adults. 573 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,240 When kids were playing and in bed sleeping at night, 574 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,240 I was up doing clubs. I was doing club dates, three in the morning. 575 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,920 The striptease would come on after us. 576 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,080 We worked, we worked, and we worked. It was through Christmas. 577 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,080 Birthdays. We were very strict Jehovah Witnesses. 578 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,000 So I'm compensating. Nature makes sure that I compensate for the lost. 579 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840 Everything that I do is inspired from the children, 580 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,800 you know, and I've said this before, and I'll say it again: 581 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,360 if it wasn't for the children, I'd throw in the towel. 582 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,760 Like, I wouldn't care. You know? 583 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,320 BASHIR: You really mean that? - I really mean that. 584 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,080 HULTMAN: I guess I wasn't really... buying everything that he said. 585 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,880 It was like, 'OK, well, here's the superstar, 586 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,040 talking about how he just likes children, 587 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,920 and... that's all there is to it.' 588 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,040 I just found that to be a bunch of excuses 589 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,040 for unexcusable behaviour. 590 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,960 - I just wanted to have fun or know what it's like 591 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,400 to have a buddy over or a slumber party. 592 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,760 Or a birthday, which we never had, 593 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,880 or a Christmas, which we never had. 594 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,800 BASHIR: Is that why you do it now? - That's why I do it now. 595 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,120 I haven't been betrayed or deceived by children. 596 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,280 Adults have let me down. Adults have let the world down. 597 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,640 It's time for the children now. It's time for us to give them a chance. 598 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,120 - If you think about Michael's life, it's easy to understand, you know, 599 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,320 that Michael felt that adults were always being duplicitous, 600 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,840 and always taking and wanting. 601 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,160 He just had, like, a real jaundiced view of adults. 602 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,520 - Touring the world, in and out of hotels, in and out of shows: 603 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,920 I think they were worked too hard, and that was partly Motown. 604 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,400 But it was also partly their father, Joe Jackson, who rode them hard. 605 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,080 Michael did, very vividly, 606 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,000 describe physical abuse at the hands of his father. 607 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,480 He described being chased and beaten with cords 608 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,160 and basically being fearful of his life whenever his father was around. 609 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,200 Michael made these allegations 610 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,000 in a very public way: he said them on Oprah. 611 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,440 OPRAH: Were you scared of him? - Very frightened. 612 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,560 There's been times when he'd come to see me, and I would get sick. 613 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,920 You know, I'd start to regurgitate. 614 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,840 OPRAH: As a child, or as an adult? - Both. 615 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,680 OPRAH: Both. - He's never heard me say this. 616 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,600 I'm sorry. Please don't be mad at me. 617 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,760 - There's no question that it took a very, very serious toll on Michael, 618 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,200 because it was abusive. 619 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,800 - He really was a child who never had an opportunity to be a child, 620 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,040 yet he was a man who had sexual needs 621 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,040 and seemed to focus only on young boys. 622 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,840 - Children show me, in their playful smiles, 623 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000 the divine in everyone. 624 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,920 The simple goodness shines straight from their hearts. 625 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,480 Being with them connects us to the deep wisdom of life. 626 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,720 - He portrayed himself as special, as different. 627 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,880 'I never had a childhood. I'm a kid at heart. I'm Peter Pan.' 628 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,840 So was he just putting on this act 629 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,440 so he could get a pass on behaviour 630 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,760 that if any other 40-year-old guy did... 631 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,720 ..there'd be an uproar? 632 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,640 - At the very beginning of the trial, 633 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,800 they read off a witness list that had, I don't know, 400, 500 names, 634 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560 including every celebrity you've ever known in your life. 635 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,280 - Michael Jackson's trial is no laughing matter 636 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,680 for Tonight Show host, Jay Leno, at least for today: 637 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,080 he's testifying on behalf of the pop star. 638 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,720 - (crowd shrieking and yelling) 639 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,200 ZONEN: They decided to infuse the celebrity factor into this case, 640 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,640 significantly: Michael Jackson knew a lot of celebrities. 641 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,720 It was a kind of a zoo of an atmosphere from day one, 642 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,680 and I'm sure that that didn't help. 643 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,600 - Defence source says it'll be a simple statement 644 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,920 that he remembers a call from Jackson's accuser, 645 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,080 the boy's mother prompting him in the background: 646 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:55,960 a call that made Leno suspicious. 647 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,240 - Jay Leno testified that having the Arvizo boy call on the phone 648 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,560 and express that Leno was his hero... 649 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,760 seemed unusual to Mr Leno, 650 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,080 because, as he put it, he's not Batman. 651 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,400 VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jay Leno said he got a bad feeling. 652 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,200 When Gavin got on the phone with him, he was... 653 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,640 really oversolicitous, and gushing with too much praise. 654 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,200 And he could hear the mother in the background, and he thought, 655 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,520 'This family's looking for a mark.' 656 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,440 And he just cut his ties. 657 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,280 - (indistinct chatter) 658 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,200 REPORTER: Her name is Azja Pryor, 659 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,760 and she shares a child with actor Chris Tucker. 660 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,520 - While they never asked directly, 661 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,160 they were very... 662 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,400 verbal with communicating their hardships. 663 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,680 I remember Janet one time telling me how she had to walk... 664 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,920 home from the San Fernando Valley 665 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,440 to East LA, which is, like, 30 miles or so, 666 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,880 because she didn't have money to catch the bus. 667 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,360 So hearing those things, I'd give them money. 668 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,920 There was discussions of them receiving a car from us, 669 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,560 so they would reach out, quite often, 670 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:21,840 to me about getting the car. 671 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,200 The fact that they could do this... 672 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,360 to someone who they praised the same way they praised Chris and I... 673 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,280 means if they could do it to him, 674 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,600 they could do it to us, they could do it to anyone. 675 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960 REPORTER: Comedian Chris Tucker, the last defence witness, 676 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,840 took the stand late in the day. 677 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,200 Tucker was close to the accuser and his family. 678 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,720 - When he heard that Gavin had cancer, 679 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,440 he wanted to be nice, and generous, and helpful to the Arvizos. 680 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,520 They joined him in Las Vegas on the set of the movie Rush Hour. 681 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,920 - The Arvizo family stayed for weeks, 682 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,040 being supported by Chris Tucker financially, 683 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,480 which caused Chris Tucker some concern. 684 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,000 He later warned Michael Jackson that the Arvizo mother, particularly, 685 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,680 was someone to be concerned about and to watch out for. 686 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,720 - There was a sense that the defence was... 687 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,360 ..projecting that the mother, Janet, 688 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,160 had actually trained these kids to lie 689 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,440 and had actually, indeed, sent them to acting school 690 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,480 to perfect their ability to tell a story that she wanted them to tell. 691 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,360 So that they were essentially, according to the defence, 692 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,960 sophisticated kids looking for a mark. 693 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,200 - Their personal wish... 694 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,920 humongous wish, is to be in movies. 695 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,000 So Michael would tell them, 'OK, OK, you're all better now. 696 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,840 We're gonna... You're gonna be in movies. You're gonna be in movies,' 697 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,080 and that's their biggest wish. 698 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,400 - There was a constant effort by the defence to... 699 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,120 label the family as a family of grifters. 700 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,280 - We were trying to show that there was a strange pattern 701 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,040 of somehow trying to get face-to-face with celebrities 702 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,280 on the part of the family, and I was hoping 703 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,000 the jury would find that not only strange... 704 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,120 but very disconnected from any life that they led. 705 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,120 It was part of a general strategy to discredit these accusers. 706 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,040 - 'Your Honour, the defence rests.' 707 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,400 With those words, Michael Jackson's Attorney 708 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,880 ended the case in chief without calling Michael... 709 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,760 MESEREAU: I just followed my instincts: 'They get the picture. 710 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,360 'Our witnesses have done well. Their witnesses have done poorly.' 711 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,720 I felt that the jury didn't seem hostile to us, 712 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,680 in my opinion, and I just felt this was the right time 713 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,200 to send it into the jury room for deliberations. 714 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,040 - The police interview clip of Gavin. 715 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,920 WOMAN: The police tape. Do you remember this? 716 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,200 - Yes. 717 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,520 Right. Yeah, this was actually really powerful. 718 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,520 ABRAMS: The jurors will hear from the accuser in this case again... 719 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,720 on tape. 720 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,960 - This could prove to be a powerful last piece of evidence 721 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,200 for the prosecution during its rebuttal case. 722 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,720 The accuser is said to give a very emotional account 723 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880 of the alleged molestation. 724 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,560 - The police started an investigation that... 725 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,520 eventually got to the stage of doing an interview with Gavin. 726 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,680 That interview was played for the jury. It was actually very moving. 727 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,840 - There's a practical matter in introducing 728 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,160 a police interrogation: there's no cross-examination. 729 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,840 ZONEN: We wanted the jury to watch the entire tape in its entirety. 730 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,840 To me, it seemed obvious that this was a child 731 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,800 who was disclosing, for the first time, 732 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,720 most of the details of this period of molestation. 733 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,880 That's why we played it. 734 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:09,120 - The defence said, basically, the mother scripted the kids 735 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,920 and trained them to lie in order to make money 736 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,600 and to destroy Michael Jackson. 737 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,840 And the prosecution says, 738 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,840 'Look at this video of Gavin talking to police and telling his story. 739 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,840 Does this look scripted to you?' 740 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:32,720 - He wanted to show you how to masturbate? 741 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,560 - He... OK. 742 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:41,720 - OK. 743 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,880 And did he do it for you? 744 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,040 Go ahead, Gavin. It's fine. 745 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,520 ABRAMS: This was a really powerful piece of evidence for prosecutors, 746 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,880 because Gavin seemed reluctant to speak. 747 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:10,720 He seemed reluctant to be there. 748 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,560 He didn't seem to want to talk about this 749 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,880 and tell the police what he said had happened. 750 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,520 And that made it that much more authentic. 751 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,520 - Did he put it on the outside? 752 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,200 - Inside? And what did he do next? 753 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,480 - OK. 754 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,280 - Did he stop? 755 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000 - And what... Did he finally stop? 756 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,800 - I think one of the reasons they did that... 757 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,640 is to show that his story was consistent. 758 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,280 And that even at the time he went to police, 759 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,560 before there had been any alleged coaching 760 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:16,280 or any other nefarious activity, 761 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,880 he spoke to police, and this is what he said. 762 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,600 And that is why the State launched the prosecution. 763 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,920 - This video had a substantial impact 764 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,280 in that it was very believable. 765 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,000 He appeared not to be coached in any way, 766 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,200 and it was obviously difficult for him. 767 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,920 MAN 1: It was extraordinarily powerful for the prosecution 768 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,080 to end its case on this evidence. 769 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,960 MAN 2: You think the prosecution finished on a strong note? 770 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,280 MAN 3: I would say the people who may not have made up their mind yet 771 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,560 and then saw this tape probably believes this boy. 772 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,600 - If there was a smoking gun in this trial, 773 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,960 it was probably that video, to me. 774 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,960 He did respond in a way... 775 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,280 that convinced this juror 776 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,640 that what he was saying was true... 777 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,880 and did actually happen. 778 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,080 - The one piece... 779 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,600 that I thought could lead the jury to hang 780 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,680 was that tape of Gavin. 781 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:27,280 I remember thinking, 'That is either... the greatest kid actor... 782 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,360 ..or this actually happened.' 783 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,280 - At that point, I was convinced... 784 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,840 that Michael Jackson had molested Gavin Arvizo. 785 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,360 - (cheering) - (camera shutters click) 786 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,880 - Finally today, closing arguments from both sides. 787 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,640 REPORTER 1: This is expected to be a showdown in court today. 788 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,920 This clearly is the last chance for both sides to get to this jury. 789 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,400 REPORTER 2: Outside the courthouse in Santa Maria, California, 790 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,960 the crowds of fans, and foes, was larger than usual, 791 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,720 as was the number of people hoping for a lucky lottery ticket 792 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,080 for a seat inside the courtroom. 793 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,120 - Everybody will get one ticket, 794 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,320 and then we will do the lotto draw. 795 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,200 - (crowd screaming, chanting) 796 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,960 REPORTER 1: Michael Jackson walked into court surrounded by family 797 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,120 and serenaded by fans... 798 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,120 - (all singing) 799 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,640 REPORTER 1: ..knowing the jury would soon address the question, 800 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,800 is he or is he not a child molester? 801 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,560 Prosecutor Ron Zonen said there's no question. 802 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,600 REPORTER 2: Inside the courtroom, 803 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,760 prosecutor Ron Zonen wrapped up the State's case 804 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,200 by painting Jackson as a sexual predator. 805 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,720 ZONEN: Ladies and gentlemen, this case is about the exploitation 806 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,480 and sexual abuse of a 13-year-old cancer survivor 807 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,800 at the hands of an international celebrity. 808 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,880 He really had the ability to isolate himself in a huge house, 809 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,120 with one child after another, 810 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,680 and do as he wished. 811 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,760 REPORTER: The prosecution tried to soften the defence's claim 812 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,680 the accuser's mother was the greedy force 813 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,600 behind the sexual allegations. 814 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,760 Zonen told jurors there was no evidence 815 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,000 the mother ever asked for a penny from the pop star. 816 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,160 ZONEN: They had never asked for money. 817 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,800 Janet was the only one who wasn't impressed with his money. 818 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,440 - Prosecution painted a pretty frightening portrayal 819 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,320 of Jackson as a predator who took advantage 820 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,640 of a 13-year-old cancer survivor: they said he... 821 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,840 groomed his victims, and I quote, 'With... 822 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,200 methods to seduce boys into his confidence, 823 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,640 his bedroom, and into his bed.' 824 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,800 REPORTER: For the defence, 825 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,240 it's always been a question of credibility. 826 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,080 Defence Attorney Thomas Mesereau launched an all-out attack 827 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,800 on the accuser's family, especially the mother. 828 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,720 He called her a pathological liar, 829 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,960 who used her children to extort money. 830 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,040 - We were trying to argue... 831 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,520 that there was a strong financial motive, one, 832 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,640 for approaching Michael Jackson, 833 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,840 and two, for instigating this prosecution 834 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,000 when Michael Jackson turned away from them. That was our theory. 835 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,960 - So I wrote, 836 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,480 'Michael Jackson may be the defendant, 837 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,680 but the pop star's accuser and his mother 838 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,720 were the ones essentially placed on trial.' 839 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,040 ABRAMS: It's very easy for us to look back and say, 'Oh... 840 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,160 how could anyone have questioned her?' 841 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,400 There were real reasons to question her. 842 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,200 There were allegations that she had engaged in efforts 843 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,040 to make money off of lies before. 844 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,520 - In my closing argument, 845 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,080 I argued that if you think they were untruthful on A, B, C, D and E, 846 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:56,960 don't just pick and choose. 847 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,000 You either find them credible, or you don't. 848 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,920 And I told the jury, 'We have proven, throughout, 849 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,600 you can't believe this rendition of events.' 850 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,880 HULTMAN: I think what reinforced the defence position 851 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,320 for those that were leaning that way was 852 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,880 Tom Mesereau's comment being, 'If you can't believe the Arvizos, 853 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,400 then it's out the door.' 854 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,120 And I think that stuck in the mind of... 855 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,600 a lot of the jurors going into... 856 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,880 deliberations. 857 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,960 REPORTER: The fate of a celebrity known around the world 858 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,400 is now in the hands of a jury. 859 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,680 - I was going to be as fair as I possibly could, 860 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,280 and do what I was asked to do. 861 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,400 HULTMAN: I didn't make any decision until I got... 862 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,440 to the end, the Sheriff's video. 863 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,720 Gavin, in his Sheriff's interview, 864 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,840 you know, just... just reinforced it for me. 865 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,960 - Almost everybody had their opinion done... 866 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,280 as soon as the trial was over. 867 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,840 REPORTER 1: Jackson's final wave to fans 868 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,160 as he left for Neverland to await his fate. 869 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,800 REPORTER 2: Thirteen weeks, one hundred and forty witnesses 870 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,040 and 60 days of evidence and testimony, 871 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,480 and sometime next week, a dozen of his anonymous neighbours 872 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,600 will begin deciding whether rekindled fame or indelible infamy 873 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,920 will from this point forward attach to his name. 874 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,720 - (crowd screaming) 875 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,080 - In Santa Maria, California, tonight, 876 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,240 it's all in the hands of the jury now: 877 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,200 eight women, four men on the Michael Jackson jury 878 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,960 will decide whether or not he is guilty of child molestation. 879 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,520 ALL: (chanting) Michael's innocent! Michael's innocent! 880 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,160 REPORTER: Crowds of reporters, fans, and curious observers standing by. 881 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,160 - I support him, but it doesn't look good for him. 882 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,360 - He's gotta be free, out to make more music 883 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,160 and keep me and everyone else happy. 884 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,640 - When we went into the deliberation room, 885 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,440 I suggested we take a vote. 886 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,320 Just to go around, before we even read the directions, 887 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,680 how people were feeling. 888 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,640 - Two-thirds of the jurors... 889 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,680 were voting not guilty, 890 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,640 and one third of the jurors were voting... guilty. 891 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,840 And that kinda took me by surprise. I thought, if anything, it would... 892 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,760 probably be the other way around. 893 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,320 - We decided it would be best to go through one count at a time 894 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,400 and figure out if he was guilty or not guilty. 895 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,040 - It's a difficult case. 896 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,880 We have a long way to go on this thing as the deliberation continues. 897 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,080 - Jurors have just finished the first day of deliberations here. 898 00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:48,200 No verdict. REPORTER: Remember OJ Simpson. 899 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,680 Nobody really knows how long it'll take. 900 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,560 - People can pontificate till they're blue in the face: 901 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,240 there were hundreds of people, dozens, 902 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,680 maybe hundreds of channels making predictions. 903 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,880 - The longer a jury deliberates, is it good or bad for the defendant? 904 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,280 - If the jury were to come back very quickly... 905 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,160 - What's the verdict? - That would be good for... 906 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,160 - ..he's gonna get convicted. Gonna be a clean sweep. 907 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,080 - No rational adult sleeps with children. 908 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,720 - They wanna know the facts. 909 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,840 They're trying to decide did he do it, or didn't he? 910 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,480 - But nobody knows. 911 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,400 Since all the other bets are taken, who knows? 912 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,880 But I'll just throw it out there for a hung jury on most counts. 913 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,800 - Oh, good Lord. (chuckles) 914 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,680 - Well, I mean, I was trying to be different. 915 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,000 REPORTER: As deliberations continue behind closed doors, 916 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,200 the scene outside the courthouse is increasingly tense. 917 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,800 Without the daily arrival of their pop idol, 918 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,720 the Jackson fans have turned their eye on the media. 919 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,200 - They giving all these opinions. They crucifying the man. 920 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,400 - Melissa played the Sheriff's video over again, 921 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,480 probably for my benefit, because I was putting so much weight... 922 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,160 on the Sheriff's video. 923 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,480 - And so they ran through it, and I stopped it. 924 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,000 'What do you see? What is he doing?' 925 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,440 They're like... (gasps) 'He's smirking.' 926 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,720 - 'Can't you see he's got a smirk on his face?' 927 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,080 - Tell me, does a kid smirk... 928 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:13,120 when they're... 929 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,920 divulging the worst thing in their life that happened to 'em? 930 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,960 HULTMAN: I didn't see that. 931 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,840 I saw a kid who was sitting there with his head down, 932 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,040 trying to talk at the same time, with this room full of men, 933 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,160 about being molested by Michael Jackson. 934 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,120 Melissa had her own agenda... 935 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,280 as somebody who felt... 936 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,080 Gavin... was not telling the truth. 937 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,920 It was undeniable to me... 938 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,880 that Gavin was telling the truth. 939 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,760 If there was a smoking gun for this juror, 940 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,920 that was probably it. 941 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,440 It's hard to get 12 jurors to agree on anything. 942 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,200 HERARD: It was a long process. There was a lot of arguing. 943 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,800 - I, myself, wanted to walk out. 944 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,040 HULTMAN: There were a lot of people in that room 945 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,040 that weren't gonna change their position. 946 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,960 BOLTON: There wasn't enough to convict. 947 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,720 There wasn't enough to send somebody to prison. 948 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,600 HULTMAN: With Melissa, you kind of made fun... 949 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,640 of anybody else's position if it didn't match her own. 950 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,720 You had a number of witnesses 951 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,840 that came in that said nothing happened. 952 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,400 Well, why should I believe those witnesses 953 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,960 any more than I believe Gavin when he said he WAS molested? 954 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,320 - I told them, I said, 'I can't trust any testimony... 955 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,320 that either kid said.' 956 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,120 We weren't bullying up on people. 957 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,080 We were just saying it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. 958 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,360 HULTMAN: Tammy broke down, 959 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,280 and it was on what I call 'emotional Thursday.' 960 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,720 - I was beyond frustrated. 961 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,200 I felt strongly in... 962 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,680 ..that there's not enough to convict him. 963 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,240 HULTMAN: She basically was very sympathetic to Michael Jackson. 964 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,880 She could not in her heart... 965 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,000 ever believe that she could be part 966 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,520 of sending this wonderful man to prison. 967 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,880 COOPER: There you see two white vans carrying 12 very important people: 968 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,720 the eight women and four men who make up the Michael Jackson jury. 969 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,800 They've been having a hard time making up their minds. 970 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,720 Once again, they failed to reach a verdict today. 971 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,720 They'll be back at the courthouse tomorrow to resume deliberations. 972 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,320 - The jury in the Michael Jackson trial 973 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,320 is well into its sixth day of deliberations. 974 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,040 - It was a really rough week: it was very emotional, 975 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,520 up-and-down roller coaster, everybody's opinion. 976 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,440 - Like I said, I'm gonna go out of this deliberation room 977 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,640 knowing that this guy is a child molester, 978 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,960 and that's what I believe in my heart. 979 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,200 - The ones who... 980 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,400 were saying guilty... 981 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,160 ..couldn't say anything more than, 'Well, I just think he did it.' 982 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,360 TARABORRELLI: Before the verdict came in, 983 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,160 one of the Sheriffs came over to me, and he said, 'You know what? 984 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,760 You have the best seat in the house.' 985 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,760 And I was like, 'Why is that?' 986 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,040 He said, 'Cos you're sitting right behind Michael Jackson. 987 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,320 And when he's found guilty, 988 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,080 we're gonna get him out of there so fast... 989 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,640 ..that your head is gonna spin. 990 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,200 Because we think that the brothers, 991 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,240 the Jackson brothers, are gonna jump the rail. 992 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,600 And there's gonna be a riot.' It's the most racist thing I ever heard. 993 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,640 I couldn't sleep that night because this guy who is a sheriff 994 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,600 is telling me that Michael is gonna be found guilty. 995 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,800 He must have a reason to think that. 996 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,680 And I was really shaking in my boots. 997 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,080 REPORTER: Prosecutors and prison officials 998 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,240 are already planning for the singer to spend years here, 999 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,440 Corcoran State Prison, in a special cell block, 1000 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,440 with the likes of Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson. 1001 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,400 - I knew for sure that Michael Jackson would not survive in prison. 1002 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,040 I knew it. There was no way Michael was ever gonna survive in prison. 1003 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,560 MAN: Yeah, there we go. They're lining up right there. 1004 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,800 - There is breaking news from California at this hour 1005 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,400 in the Michael Jackson child molestation trial. 1006 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,360 MAN: OK, we're on the move. 1007 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,720 REPORTER: The jury in Santa Maria, California, 1008 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,720 has sent word that it has reached a verdict. 1009 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,840 - Nobody knows what a jury's gonna do, ever. 1010 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,360 Anybody who claims that they know what a jury's gonna do... 1011 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,080 is a fool. 1012 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,800 ALL: (chanting) Michael's innocent! Michael's innocent! 1013 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,600 - Good day from New York. We'll soon be switching to live pictures 1014 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,880 from Santa Maria, California. 1015 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,800 Michael Jackson is apparently a few miles 1016 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,240 and a few moments away from hearing his fate. 1017 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,120 There are over 2,000 accredited media. 1018 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,360 MESEREAU: It was the most covered criminal trial in American history. 1019 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,600 More accredited media following it 1020 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,400 than OJ Simpson and Scott Peterson combined. 1021 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,720 - When the verdict is read, we will have a live audio feed, 1022 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,400 which in normal speak means that the viewers will hear the verdict 1023 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,640 at the same time as the Reporters hear it... 1024 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,120 at the same time that Michael Jackson hears it. 1025 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,680 - I think they deliberated for eight days, 1026 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,880 which is the longest jury deliberation I had ever experienced 1027 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,680 in my entire career. 1028 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,720 So I wasn't really certain what they were going to do. 1029 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,880 - (crowd yelling) 1030 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,120 REPORTER: This could be the last time that Michael Jackson 1031 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,400 is a free man for a long time. 1032 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,000 MAN: (chanting) MJ's innocent! Innocent! Innocent! 1033 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,160 - Michael Jackson was increasingly frail as the trial progressed, 1034 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,120 and on the verdict day, 1035 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,520 he looked terrified. 1036 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,960 MESEREAU: Michael deteriorated physically, 1037 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,960 and emotionally, during the trial: you could see him lose weight, 1038 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,640 you could see his facial features become more pale and more sunken in. 1039 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,120 He looked the worst on verdict day. 1040 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,960 That was the worst I'd ever seen him look. 1041 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,120 - The tension, it's almost impossible to describe, 1042 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,360 after so many months, indeed, years, 1043 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,760 covering Michael Jackson here, there and everywhere, 1044 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,600 for this moment to have arrived. 1045 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,720 ABRAMS: You know, one of the folklores of trials 1046 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,560 is that if the jury comes in 1047 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,000 and doesn't look at the defendant, 1048 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,320 that means they are convicting him. 1049 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,720 If they look at him, that means they are acquitting him. 1050 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,000 That's actually proven pretty reliable in my experience. 1051 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,040 VELEZ-MITCHELL: When the jury came in, they were grim. 1052 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,520 They were serious. They didn't appear to look at Michael Jackson. 1053 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,880 And I thought, 'Oh, that's not good.' 1054 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,840 - Right now, there's a very calm sense of quiet 1055 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,560 outside the courthouse: where I could barely hear myself 1056 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,240 a few minutes ago, now I can hear a pin drop for a block away. 1057 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,520 - (indistinct chatter) 1058 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,920 - With the anticipation building right now, 1059 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,400 it doesn't get much more exciting: if you've been watching this case, 1060 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,920 it's gonna boil down to the next two, three, four, five minutes. 1061 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,000 - Whatever happens during this whole process, 1062 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,960 do not come out into the street. 1063 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,960 Stay on your side of the barricades. 1064 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,840 PRESENTER 1: If there's a guilty verdict, it'll be pandemonium. 1065 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,240 If there's an innocent verdict, there's gonna be pandemonium. 1066 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,720 PRESENTER 2: Here we go. Here's the audio. Let's listen. 1067 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,840 FOREPERSON: The people of the state of California, plaintiff, 1068 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,080 versus Michael Joe Jackson, defendant, 1069 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,280 case number 1133603, count one verdict. 1070 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,160 We, the jury, in the above-entitled case, 1071 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,720 find the defendant not guilty of conspiracy. 1072 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,320 - (cheering, shrieking) 1073 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,560 - The first verdict came back, and it was not guilty, 1074 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,520 and I was like, 'Whoa.' I couldn't believe it. 1075 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,200 I mean, I could believe it, but I couldn't believe it. 1076 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,640 FOREPERSON: Count two verdict. 1077 00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,600 We, the jury, in the above-entitled case, find the defendant not guilty. 1078 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,040 VELEZ-MITCHELL: The fans who were there were ecstatic. 1079 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,480 One woman even went so far as to release a dove for every... 1080 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,040 count that Michael Jackson was acquitted of: 1081 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,560 something I would not recommend anybody do. 1082 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,280 FOREPERSON: Count three verdict. 1083 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,520 We, the jury, in the above-entitled case, 1084 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,800 find the defendant not guilty of a lewd act upon a minor child. 1085 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,480 MESEREAU: You would hear, 'Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty.' 1086 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,440 I had to sit there stoically and just wait for each count. 1087 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,800 PRESENTER: It's pandemonium out here among the crowd members. 1088 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,560 FOREPERSON: Count four verdict, not guilty of... 1089 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,320 (overlapping) Count five verdict... Count six verdict... Not guilty... 1090 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,160 Count seven verdict, not guilty... Count eight verdict, not guilty... 1091 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,520 Count nine verdict... We, the jury, in the above-entitled case... 1092 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,720 Count ten verdict... ..find the defendant not guilty... 1093 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,600 - Boom, boom, boom, not guilty on all counts. 1094 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,760 - (cheering) 1095 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,960 REPORTER: From Times Square... around the world, 1096 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,800 for that matter, the not-guilty verdicts reverberated. 1097 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,120 - People think he's crazy. I just think he's different. 1098 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,040 It's uniqueness. Everyone has uniqueness. 1099 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,800 GRACE: Jane, describe what happened when the verdict came down. 1100 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,160 - The tears start flowing. One attorney, Susan Yu, starts weeping. 1101 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,000 One of the jurors starts weeping. 1102 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,080 His mother, Katherine, starts weeping, he appears to be weeping, 1103 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,600 because tissues are going up to his eyes. 1104 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,920 HERARD: I look across, and I see his woman lawyer over there. 1105 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,000 All of a sudden, she busts down. 1106 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,560 She's crying. I lost it. 1107 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,040 I was crying and sobbing, and crying and sobbing. 1108 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,120 And it was just emotional release. 1109 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,800 - It was a moment that I'll just never forget... 1110 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,280 ..and Joe Jackson came walking through the centre of the courtroom 1111 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,320 with a big smile on his face, 1112 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,880 came up to me, put his hand out, and said, 'You're almost as good as me.' 1113 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,160 ZONEN: I was disappointed. 1114 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,600 I was concerned as to how Gavin would react to it 1115 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,640 and what the consequence would be on him, 1116 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,920 not just in the near future but for the long-term. 1117 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,480 Tom called him, and I was there when he called him. 1118 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,680 - He told him what the verdict was. Gavin said he understood. 1119 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,800 He realised that there was the potential of that happening. 1120 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,600 He knew what the challenges were on the case. 1121 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,040 And um... And he said, 'Fine, so be it.' 1122 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,640 - It was a hard moment for us. 1123 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,520 - I won't say that we got to a unanimous decision, 1124 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,320 because those that felt he was guilty gave up. 1125 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,040 Yes, as much as I would like to see... 1126 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,600 ..Michael Jackson convicted for being a child molester, 1127 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,960 I can see that there... there is reasonable doubt. 1128 01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,440 You've got the problem with the Arvizos. 1129 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,600 They're not a lily-white family 1130 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,960 that has no history, no problem. 1131 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,440 There's reasonable doubt. 1132 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,920 It's unfortunate that that has to creep into the picture, 1133 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,680 but it did. 1134 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,920 No matter how little reasonable doubt, 1135 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,040 there was reasonable doubt, 1136 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,640 and we had to find Michael Jackson not guilty. 1137 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,240 At least I'll know that Michael Jackson is a child molester. 1138 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,160 But he squeaked by on this one. 1139 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,720 - You have to prove somebody's guilt, 1140 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,560 but when all was said and done, it wasn't there. 1141 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,720 The evidence wasn't there. 1142 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,120 ABRAMS: I think the fact that Michael Jackson was... 1143 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,000 such a celebrity allowed people to say, 1144 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,240 'Well, maybe it was just inappropriate. 1145 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,200 Maybe it was just wrong. 1146 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,440 Maybe it's just one of those crazy things celebrities do.' 1147 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,000 I think if he hadn't been a celebrity, 1148 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,280 immediately, people would have said, 1149 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,440 'What the heck?' 1150 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,280 KATZ: What we saw operating here is what I call the halo effect. 1151 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,440 It's a scientific term for... 1152 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,120 giving positive characteristics to someone that... 1153 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,400 when there's one positive characteristic about them... 1154 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,600 Michael Jackson clearly is... 1155 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,440 is one of the most talented musicians that we've ever seen. 1156 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,840 And people loved him and adored him, and he's produced brilliant music, 1157 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,760 music I love and enjoy. 1158 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,040 But that doesn't mean that all the other parts of him are positive. 1159 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,560 - We've got around 250 fans here now. 1160 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,640 One woman told me this is the happiest day of her life. 1161 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,680 - The happiest day of her life? OK. 1162 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,720 ABRAMS: After the verdict, 1163 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,320 I went to Michael Jackson's home, 1164 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,120 Neverland, for the celebration party. 1165 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,000 I think I was the only journalist who was there, 1166 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,600 and it was a bizarre scene. 1167 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,760 - (car horns honking) - (cheering) 1168 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,440 - You had family members of the Jacksons, 1169 01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,520 but mostly kids, 1170 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,320 parents who were bringing their kids to Neverland... 1171 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,400 in the aftermath of this trial. 1172 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,080 I worried. 1173 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,040 Looking around. 1174 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,280 Is this kid gonna be the next victim? 1175 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,400 It was a bizarre scene... 1176 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,360 on the heels of a bizarre event. 1177 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,760 TARABORRELLI: After the trial, I had this vision in my head... 1178 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,720 that Michael was going to go on and be the great Michael Jackson 1179 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,640 that I knew and loved since I was, you know, 14. 1180 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,000 And that's not what happened. 1181 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,680 - (crowd screaming) 1182 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,480 - After the trial, I had this vision in my head... 1183 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,120 that Michael was going to go on and be the great Michael Jackson 1184 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,160 that I knew and loved since I was, 1185 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,320 you know, 14. 1186 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,520 And that's not what happened. 1187 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,240 - After the trial, Michael flees Neverland. 1188 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,360 Remember, Neverland had been his paradise. 1189 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,240 KNOPPER: He just took off. He never went back to Neverland Ranch. 1190 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,600 He felt that America had turned on him. 1191 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,720 QUARLES: His brother Jermaine had introduced him to... 1192 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,600 one of the princes in Bahrain. 1193 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,800 REPORTER: Michael Jackson turned up at a Bahrain shopping mall, 1194 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,720 on Wednesday, hiding his face behind a veil and wearing a black robe 1195 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,800 traditionally worn by Middle Eastern women. 1196 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,840 - But he ends up fleeing Bahrain 1197 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,920 and is eventually sued by the Prince for $7 million. 1198 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,840 He says, 'Look, Michael, you promised that we would do... 1199 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,080 a theme park and a book and all this stuff.' 1200 01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,480 Now he has no money, and he has to rebuild his life. 1201 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,880 KNOPPER: After Bahrain, he came back to the US, 1202 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,400 and he retreated to Vegas. 1203 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,160 Michael Jackson was in $275 million worth of debt, 1204 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,080 and he realised, 1205 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,440 'Man, I'm gonna be in trouble if I don't get out of this debt.' 1206 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,920 - So in order to rebuild his finances, 1207 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,640 there was a plan to go on another tour, the This Is It Tour. 1208 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,200 - (cheering) 1209 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,440 - I'll be performing the songs my fans want to hear. 1210 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,800 - We were all covering, just so excited 1211 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,120 to see Michael Jackson do what he does best, perform. 1212 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,480 - This is it, and see you in July. 1213 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,640 - (cheering) 1214 01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,240 - I was listening to this great song, Corner Of The Sky, 1215 01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,320 remembering Michael, 1216 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,120 just having sort of, like, this great Jackson 5 moment. 1217 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,240 And then it showed up... 1218 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,200 Michael Jackson was in the hospital. 1219 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,720 - We're still reacting to this incredible news, 1220 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,280 the sudden word out of Los Angeles now confirmed by NBC News, 1221 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,200 Michael Jackson dead at the age of 50. Lester Holt here with us... 1222 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,840 - At the height of the Michael Jackson comeback, 1223 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,320 he dies. 1224 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:24,720 REPORTER: Michael Jackson died this afternoon, 1225 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,760 apparently of cardiac arrest. 1226 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,560 The last comeback is not going to take place. 1227 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,720 CHIDEYA: Michael Jackson being a global superstar, 1228 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,880 this became a global moment of mourning. 1229 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,160 - He had incredible fans in Japan, in Korea, 1230 01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,520 in Africa... really, everywhere. He was one of the... 1231 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,760 - People around the world were sharing in sorrow, 1232 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,400 and that's rare. 1233 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,640 - He's been a part of my world for a long time. 1234 01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,760 ALL: (chanting) We love Michael! We love Michael! 1235 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,480 - ..our coverage begins of this massive event, 1236 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,720 the memorial for Michael Jackson at the Staples Center. 1237 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,760 It is estimated that before it's over, 1238 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,720 this will be viewed by between 750 million... 1239 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,920 to a billion people. 1240 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,160 # Hallelujah 1241 01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,080 # We're going to see the king... # 1242 01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,560 - The kind of grieving that you do for... 1243 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,320 someone like Michael Jackson is, 1244 01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:23,360 in some ways, a grieving for, like, your own earlier life. 1245 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,360 Like, you remember all the moments that you shared with that music. 1246 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,080 Hearing Off The Wall at my Girl Scout troop, 1247 01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,640 and, like, me singing ABC when I was a little kid, 1248 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,120 and me dancing at family picnics, and then in college, you know? 1249 01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:41,800 I mean, it really is... I do find it kinda profoundly sad. 1250 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,080 - I stand here... 1251 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,800 trying to find words of comfort, 1252 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,960 solace... 1253 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,320 trying to understand why the lord has taken our brother. 1254 01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:56,120 - In retrospect, I don't know if Michael ever recovered 1255 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,200 from this trial: he deteriorated physically. 1256 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,280 He deteriorated emotionally. 1257 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,360 I fear that the trauma of this... 1258 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,680 entire criminal case... 1259 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,960 destroyed him in many ways that never healed. 1260 01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,600 QUARLES: You know, in death, Michael's... 1261 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,760 reputation was able to recover. 1262 01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,520 People started talking about all the good things he had done, and... 1263 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,880 people were kinda leaving those molestation whispers 1264 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,720 and those drug whispers alone. 1265 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,760 Then comes Leaving Neverland. 1266 01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,840 PRESENTER: Premiering today at the Sundance Film Festival, 1267 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,880 Leaving Neverland, the new, potentially damaging documentary 1268 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,400 about music legend Michael Jackson. 1269 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,160 - Well, the film includes the firsthand accounts of two men, 1270 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,160 Wade Robson and James Safechuck. 1271 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,920 They claim Michael Jackson sexually abused them for years. 1272 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,800 - One of the ways I remember it starting is... 1273 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,760 you know, Michael just sort of starting to touch my legs, 1274 01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,400 and touch my crotch over my pants. 1275 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,240 - That's not a 'slightly out of bounds' move, 1276 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,760 you know, if those allegations are true, 1277 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,800 and I believe them to be. 1278 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,800 QUARLES: So these are young boys 1279 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,080 that Michael was with a lot of the times. 1280 01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,720 I mean, they testified saying nothing happened. 1281 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,160 Now they're saying, 'We were young boys. We were manipulated. 1282 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,400 A lot did happen, and we were molested.' 1283 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,440 VELEZ-MITCHELL: Really, really gut-wrenching 1284 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,000 to watch them reveal... the details. 1285 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,400 I found them believable. 1286 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,400 - You know, I had a lot of mixed reaction about Leaving Neverland, 1287 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,360 because we're in a climate right now where you really... 1288 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,520 are sort of compelled to believe victims, 1289 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,600 and victims, you know, SHOULD be believed. 1290 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,920 It puts people like me in a tough spot, 1291 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,360 because what most of the public doesn't have that I have 1292 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,920 is the memory of Michael Jackson, right in my face, 1293 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:55,800 denying these things. 1294 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,720 And if you had that memory of him, 1295 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,680 I think that it would... 1296 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,120 it would make you look at all these allegations in a... 1297 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,120 in a different way. 1298 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,720 - You know, we are in an era where there are so many allegations, 1299 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,440 whether it's adult MeToo allegations 1300 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,720 or allegations involving children. 1301 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:18,040 And all we can do as human beings is embrace the complexity of saying, 1302 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,200 'I don't know, but I believe.' 1303 01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:23,480 - Wade Robson testified at the trial, 1304 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,880 and I sat right there, like, 6ft away from him, 1305 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,960 and he was adamant that nothing happened. 1306 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,160 - Why did you do that? - The training. 1307 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,440 Michael's training of me... 1308 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,280 ..to testify began... 1309 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,880 the first night that he started abusing me. 1310 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,280 He started telling me, 'If anybody else ever finds out, 1311 01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:44,640 we'll both go to jail: both of our lives will be over.' 1312 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,120 MESEREAU: I don't believe the changed story at all. 1313 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,400 I don't believe it for one second. 1314 01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,000 I'm not naive. I think I'm a pretty good judge of people. 1315 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,120 I looked him in the eye. I questioned him. 1316 01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,520 And I said to myself, 'He's gonna be a powerful defence witness.' 1317 01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:01,720 And he was subjected to a very, very strong cross-examination 1318 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,920 by Ron Zonen, a good prosecutor, and he didn't budge for one second. 1319 01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,880 ZONEN: Ask Mesereau why he won't watch the documentary. 1320 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,480 Ask him why he won't sit down with him, and talk to him, 1321 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,080 and assess for himself the truthfulness of his statement. 1322 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,920 - I don't wanna dignify it. I think it's garbage. 1323 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,800 Witnesses who testified, under oath... 1324 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,160 that Michael didn't touch them are now changing their story, 1325 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,080 and from what I've learnt, 1326 01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,600 there were all sorts of contradictions in their stories. 1327 01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:31,080 - It's interesting because I covered the Michael Jackson trial, 1328 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,120 in 2005 in Santa Maria, California: 1329 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,320 I remember when Wade Robson testified. 1330 01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,120 It was devastating for the prosecution, because... 1331 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,160 - I'm pretty certain that had Jimmy Safechuck... 1332 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,160 cooperated during the trial, and had Wade Robson told the truth, 1333 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,600 that the outcome could very well have been different. 1334 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,600 BOLTON: I was disgusted when I heard about Leaving Neverland. 1335 01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,760 I never watched it. 1336 01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,520 Michael Jackson's gone now. 1337 01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,480 I don't see... a point in it. 1338 01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,880 He came, and he told us nothing happened, 1339 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,520 and I took what he said under oath, and I believed him. 1340 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,480 Had he came and gave different testimony 15 years ago, 1341 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,680 the verdict very likely could have came out differently. 1342 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,960 - I just feel sorry that... 1343 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:21,960 you know, that... 1344 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,960 Michael isn't here to defend himself. 1345 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,760 But if that did happen to Wade, 1346 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,200 then, you know, I'm sorry, but... 1347 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,480 I believed him when he spoke, because he was under oath. 1348 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,360 And if that wasn't true, then he perjured himself. 1349 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,920 So... 1350 01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,680 HULTMAN: My reaction was that he's finally coming out 1351 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,600 and telling the truth about what happened to him. 1352 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,280 I'm sure that was very difficult... 1353 01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:48,680 for him to do that. 1354 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,840 But I'm glad that he did. 1355 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,400 - I don't think he molested these boys. 1356 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,280 I don't. I hope I'm right. 1357 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,400 - They credit your testimony, in part, for Michael's acquittal. 1358 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,120 On some level, do you feel guilty about that now? 1359 01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,280 - I wish that I was ready. 1360 01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:09,320 I wish that I could have helped... 1361 01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,800 ..Gavin Arvizo receive some justice 1362 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,680 and some validation for what happened to him. 1363 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,200 - Does he feel vindicated? I think he's above that. 1364 01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,520 I think he always knew, and always understood, 1365 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,560 that he did the right thing, 1366 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,560 even though it was horribly... 1367 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,120 painful for him at the time to deal with it. 1368 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,720 At the time of the trial, he had just turned 15. 1369 01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,800 It was a challenge for him, 1370 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,120 but he always knew that he was doing the right thing. 1371 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,520 He has never regretted that decision, 1372 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,800 and he's just, at this time, trying to live a... 1373 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,320 a decent life, meaningful life. 1374 01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:11,960 - (cheering) ALL: (chanting) Michael! Michael! 1375 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,360 - One of the things that has happened in the MeToo era 1376 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,720 is that a wider variety of people are talking about having had... 1377 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:26,000 nonconsensual sexual experiences, both as children and as adults. 1378 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,240 DURBIN: What degree of certainty do you believe 1379 01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,280 Brett Kavanaugh assaulted you? 1380 01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:32,120 - 100%. 1381 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,760 - Society has changed a lot in the 15 years 1382 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,400 since the Michael Jackson trial, 1383 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,400 and the stereotype that rape, 1384 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,480 and sexual molestation, and sexual assault, 1385 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,200 only happens when a stranger grabs you in the dead of night 1386 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,040 and throws you in an alley, that's not how it happens. 1387 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,560 - We turn now back to this breaking news tonight. 1388 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,240 Harvey Weinstein verdict, the jury finding him guilty today 1389 01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,000 on both rape and sexual assault charges. 1390 01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,120 - There's a lot more recognition that... 1391 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,760 there are many people who have amazing qualities: 1392 01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,000 the ability to direct and produce amazing movies, you know, 1393 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,440 to be political leaders, and still... 1394 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,080 can be sexual predators. 1395 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,920 And whether or not you believe that... 1396 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,240 Michael Jackson was a sexual predator, 1397 01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,440 I think that the dialogue would have been totally different in this era. 1398 01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,520 - After Leaving Neverland comes out, 1399 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,960 you almost had a movement where some radio stations were saying, 1400 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,520 'We're not gonna play Michael Jackson's music.' 1401 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,840 CHIDEYA: There's, like, a whole little war 1402 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,040 over whether if you hear a Michael Jackson song, 1403 01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,080 it's OK to dance to it, or should you leave the room, 1404 01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:36,960 or should you, like, chew out the DJ? 1405 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,880 QUARLES: And of course, this comes down to that age-old question: 1406 01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,560 can you love the music but not like the man? 1407 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,280 Can you separate the two? 1408 01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:48,520 - It goes... back as far as you can trace these people's behaviour. 1409 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,440 Gauguin, the incredible French painter: paedophile. 1410 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,920 Phil Spector is a convicted murderer. R Kelly is in jail. 1411 01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:01,160 And some of the most beloved artists of the last however many centuries 1412 01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,200 could have been horrible, horrible people. 1413 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,320 That doesn't mean they didn't create great art. 1414 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,320 - I used to believe incredibly strongly... 1415 01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:12,440 in 'judge the art, not the artist,' but... 1416 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,560 the people who tend to have these allegations against them are men, 1417 01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,480 and so I wonder if 'judge the art, not the artist' 1418 01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,200 is a little bit of a philosophy that excuses men. 1419 01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,440 That kind of lets them off the hook for their behaviour. 1420 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,560 QUARLES: In this post-MeToo world we live in, 1421 01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,160 would the trial be any different today? Would his celebrity matter? 1422 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,680 - The trial would have been exponentially different today. 1423 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,200 I don't think there would be a lot of sympathy or mercy 1424 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,360 from a jury or from the public. 1425 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,360 ABRAMS: Even with the better understanding that we have today, 1426 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:49,240 this would still be... a tricky case. 1427 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,640 Do I think prosecutors could get a conviction... 1428 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,840 all things equal? 1429 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,000 I don't know. 1430 01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,680 Janet Arvizo was a real problem 1431 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,720 for the prosecution's case. 1432 01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,920 And when the standard is proof beyond a reasonable doubt... 1433 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:10,000 ..Janet Arvizo reeked of reasonable doubt. 1434 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,960 MESEREAU: Our society likes to see people rise to great heights 1435 01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,000 and then fall and plummet to destruction, 1436 01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,240 because it makes for a good story. 1437 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,400 We acquitted him of every count. 1438 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,360 He was completely innocent, and he would be found innocent today 1439 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,040 on evidence like this, just like he was then. 1440 01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,760 ZONEN: I think that there might be a different result today, 1441 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,560 because of the MeToo movement, but I think there clearly would be 1442 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,800 a different result today... 1443 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,160 if we had the cooperation of the two men who were in... 1444 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,400 Dan Reed's documentary, Robson and Safechuck, 1445 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,000 honestly, and in a compelling fashion, 1446 01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:51,040 testifying to what happened to them in front of a jury. 1447 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,680 I think there definitely would have been a difference. 1448 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,440 CHIDEYA: At some point, there will be another trial 1449 01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,840 with some similar allegations. 1450 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,800 Probably not for anyone as famous, 1451 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,480 but the core issues around... 1452 01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:08,040 sexual agency, safety of children, consent, all of these things, 1453 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,640 that genie's not gonna be put back in the bottle. 1454 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,440 We're in a different era than we were during the trial. 1455 01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,320 - (camera shutter clicks) 1456 01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:20,880 - In my mind, as great of a musician as he was, 1457 01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,360 as much as he changed the world... 1458 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:28,720 ..he is, was, will always be... 1459 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,880 ..an adult man that victimised children. 1460 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,320 You can't gloss over that. 1461 01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,480 KING: We all have facets to us. 1462 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,720 If Michael did what they say that he did, 1463 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:47,120 I feel sorry for him and for the boys. It's a tragic story. 1464 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,320 CHIDEYA: I don't believe it's disrespectful... 1465 01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:54,120 to the legacy of a tremendous talent... 1466 01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,440 to recognise... 1467 01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,240 that there may have been criminal behaviour. 1468 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,520 It is respectful to the legacy to look at... 1469 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,760 finally, maybe for the first time, 1470 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,840 Michael Jackson gets to be a human being, 1471 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,200 who's judged for all of who he is. 1472 01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,280 But we have to grapple with this. 1473 01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:16,160 We can't leave this as something we don't examine, 1474 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,120 and to begin to examine how we can do better, 1475 01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,080 because things like this will come up again. 1476 01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,520 And I think that it's going to be tough for us, 1477 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,360 as a culture that has embraced Michael Jackson, 1478 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,120 to live with these aftershocks. 1479 01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,240 Because as long as there's recorded history, 1480 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,840 there will be Michael Jackson. We will have... 1481 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,240 his image, his moves, all of what he brought to the world. 1482 01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,000 And I don't think we can turn away. 1483 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,960 Subtitles by Sky Access Services