1 00:00:03,571 --> 00:00:04,737 Harlan, over here! 2 00:00:04,738 --> 00:00:06,874 Ladies and gentlemen, Harlan Coben. 3 00:00:09,009 --> 00:00:10,643 He's the greatest thriller writer. 4 00:00:10,644 --> 00:00:13,046 Oh, come on. 5 00:00:13,047 --> 00:00:15,848 Coben's written over 30 "New York Times" bestsellers. 6 00:00:15,849 --> 00:00:19,486 With over a dozen hit TV shows and movies. 7 00:00:22,823 --> 00:00:25,325 Just when you think you have it all figured out, 8 00:00:25,326 --> 00:00:27,828 think again. 9 00:00:35,035 --> 00:00:36,869 I'm Harlan Coben. 10 00:00:36,870 --> 00:00:40,107 The most unsettling mysteries begin with something simple, 11 00:00:40,108 --> 00:00:42,576 a regular, normal day. 12 00:00:42,676 --> 00:00:45,645 When Chef Daniel Brophy arrived at his culinary school, 13 00:00:45,646 --> 00:00:48,882 there was no hint that his life was about to end suddenly 14 00:00:48,982 --> 00:00:50,251 and violently. 15 00:00:50,351 --> 00:00:53,120 No warning, no obvious threat, 16 00:00:53,121 --> 00:00:55,355 no chance to prepare. 17 00:00:55,356 --> 00:00:57,590 So who wanted Daniel dead? 18 00:00:57,591 --> 00:01:01,861 And why kill him in the kitchen that meant so much to him? 19 00:01:01,862 --> 00:01:05,266 We often look for the moment when everything changes. 20 00:01:05,366 --> 00:01:07,934 But sometimes that moment is elusive, 21 00:01:07,935 --> 00:01:09,969 hiding in plain sight, 22 00:01:09,970 --> 00:01:13,341 buried inside an ordinary day. 23 00:01:14,508 --> 00:01:17,043 And that's where our mystery begins. 24 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:21,014 It didn't take much to make Dan happy. 25 00:01:23,217 --> 00:01:25,252 He was a chef instructor, 26 00:01:25,253 --> 00:01:27,254 a master gardener, 27 00:01:27,255 --> 00:01:29,923 an oceanographer. 28 00:01:30,023 --> 00:01:33,193 He looked at life as a survival game. 29 00:01:33,194 --> 00:01:35,363 And he was good at that... 30 00:01:36,364 --> 00:01:38,766 Right up until he was killed. 31 00:01:40,768 --> 00:01:42,435 Students showing up for class 32 00:01:42,436 --> 00:01:44,371 at the Oregon Culinary Institute 33 00:01:44,372 --> 00:01:47,340 found a man shot to death in the school's kitchen. 34 00:01:48,376 --> 00:01:49,477 Many are grieving the loss 35 00:01:49,577 --> 00:01:51,778 of Daniel Brophy. 36 00:01:51,779 --> 00:01:54,782 He was one of the most sought-after mushroom experts. 37 00:01:54,882 --> 00:01:56,783 There have been incidents where people have 38 00:01:56,784 --> 00:01:58,651 confronted individuals 39 00:01:58,652 --> 00:02:01,053 while foraging for mushrooms. 40 00:02:02,323 --> 00:02:05,057 Dan was an instructor for a long time. 41 00:02:05,058 --> 00:02:06,659 There was a staff, 42 00:02:06,660 --> 00:02:08,296 hundreds of students, 43 00:02:08,396 --> 00:02:09,997 an entire school. 44 00:02:10,097 --> 00:02:13,300 Both shots were directed towards his heart. 45 00:02:13,301 --> 00:02:16,303 We thought this may be targeted. 46 00:02:16,304 --> 00:02:19,206 We knew immediately we needed to find the gun. 47 00:02:19,207 --> 00:02:20,641 We dug down really deep 48 00:02:20,741 --> 00:02:23,143 into each of the people in Dan's life. 49 00:02:23,244 --> 00:02:24,677 We found this box. 50 00:02:24,678 --> 00:02:26,647 And everybody's just like, oh, my God, 51 00:02:26,747 --> 00:02:28,448 it's gotta be the murder weapon. 52 00:02:28,449 --> 00:02:29,683 It's a ghost gun kit. 53 00:02:29,783 --> 00:02:32,320 An untraceable murder weapon. 54 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,121 What we found was essentially kind of 55 00:02:35,122 --> 00:02:37,325 a play-by-play for how to commit a murder 56 00:02:37,425 --> 00:02:38,992 and get away with it. 57 00:02:42,430 --> 00:02:44,531 A crime happened here. 58 00:02:44,532 --> 00:02:47,467 The past isn't what it seemed. 59 00:02:47,468 --> 00:02:50,338 The story told turns out to be deception. 60 00:02:50,438 --> 00:02:52,372 And just when you're sure you have the answer-- 61 00:02:52,373 --> 00:02:55,808 911, what is the address of your emergency? 62 00:02:55,809 --> 00:02:57,344 Hello? Anyone there? 63 00:02:57,345 --> 00:03:00,414 there's one final twist. 64 00:03:06,654 --> 00:03:08,688 I grew up in Portland. 65 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:11,924 And the food was very, very traditional. 66 00:03:11,925 --> 00:03:15,529 And then a handful of people started to wake the city up 67 00:03:15,629 --> 00:03:17,898 to what food could be. 68 00:03:20,301 --> 00:03:21,868 We started Oregon Culinary Institute 69 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:23,870 in the spring of 2006. 70 00:03:23,871 --> 00:03:28,208 We tried to hire not necessarily great chefs, 71 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:30,142 but great instructors. 72 00:03:30,143 --> 00:03:33,381 Those two skill sets don't often intersect. 73 00:03:33,481 --> 00:03:35,215 But with Dan, they did. 74 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:49,762 Dan Brophy had a way of engaging students 75 00:03:49,763 --> 00:03:51,965 on a level that was truly unique. 76 00:03:52,866 --> 00:03:56,770 Chef Brophy was really knowledgeable. 77 00:03:56,870 --> 00:03:58,406 It's very salty. 78 00:03:58,506 --> 00:04:00,440 It tastes like the ocean. 79 00:04:00,441 --> 00:04:03,577 A little gruff, a little rough around the edges. 80 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:10,083 But his passion for what he did was contagious. 81 00:04:11,585 --> 00:04:15,355 Dan was married to Nancy Crampton-Brophy. 82 00:04:15,356 --> 00:04:18,158 They had a little house with a big garden. 83 00:04:19,527 --> 00:04:21,595 She had a big personality. 84 00:04:21,695 --> 00:04:23,831 She's loud and laughing. 85 00:04:25,433 --> 00:04:29,268 Nancy Brophy was a romantic suspense author. 86 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,404 She wrote a number of books. 87 00:04:31,405 --> 00:04:32,940 She traveled to 88 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,109 national Romance Writers of America conferences. 89 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:40,613 And she was the president of the Rose City Romance Writers. 90 00:04:42,616 --> 00:04:45,618 Dan and Nancy were together almost 25 years 91 00:04:45,619 --> 00:04:47,987 and entering their golden years 92 00:04:47,988 --> 00:04:50,089 in a way that fulfilled both of them. 93 00:04:56,063 --> 00:04:59,131 On the morning of June 2, 2018, 94 00:04:59,132 --> 00:05:03,637 I arrived at the Oregon Culinary Institute 95 00:05:03,737 --> 00:05:07,574 and immediately noticed that something was different. 96 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:11,143 The door was locked. 97 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:14,648 Chef Brophy would always unlock it before we got there. 98 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:17,183 After a few minutes, 99 00:05:17,184 --> 00:05:19,987 our baking and pastry chef came and unlocked it. 100 00:05:21,789 --> 00:05:24,491 I was going fishing out in the Gorge. 101 00:05:24,492 --> 00:05:26,694 Our baking chef called me, 102 00:05:26,794 --> 00:05:29,929 asking me where a particular item is located. 103 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:31,865 I tell her as best I can. 104 00:05:31,965 --> 00:05:35,635 One of my classmates went into the kitchen 105 00:05:35,636 --> 00:05:38,337 and immediately said, 106 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,874 there's somebody on the ground, call 911. 107 00:05:43,276 --> 00:05:47,346 I saw Chef Brophy, and I dialed 911. 108 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:48,782 911. 109 00:05:58,392 --> 00:06:01,828 Our baking chef called me back and she's hysterical. 110 00:06:01,829 --> 00:06:03,531 "Dan's down. Dan's down. 111 00:06:03,631 --> 00:06:05,165 I think he's had a heart attack." 112 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:12,972 The gal who found him started doing CPR. 113 00:06:12,973 --> 00:06:16,375 And then she said, I must have cracked a rib 114 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:18,812 because there's suddenly blood. 115 00:06:25,586 --> 00:06:29,623 I remember the silence on the other side of the phone. 116 00:06:30,691 --> 00:06:33,427 We all knew he was gone. 117 00:06:37,731 --> 00:06:39,932 The EMTs and paramedics arrived 118 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:43,035 and asked us to step outside so they could attend to him. 119 00:06:44,838 --> 00:06:48,941 I remember a cop walking past and saying, 120 00:06:48,942 --> 00:06:53,079 "GSW," the words GSW. 121 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,749 And I was like, gunshot wound, what? 122 00:06:57,451 --> 00:06:59,452 Once the fire department got there, 123 00:06:59,453 --> 00:07:01,387 they cut off Dan's shirt. 124 00:07:01,388 --> 00:07:05,592 They realized that he had a bullet wound to his chest. 125 00:07:05,593 --> 00:07:07,560 Once they rolled Dan's body over, 126 00:07:07,561 --> 00:07:10,563 they could see another bullet strike to his back. 127 00:07:10,564 --> 00:07:13,866 The fire department goes, this guy's been shot. 128 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:16,969 And they're wondering if there's a shooter still around. 129 00:07:18,906 --> 00:07:22,109 Police came in and they cordoned off the school. 130 00:07:22,209 --> 00:07:24,310 Wouldn't let anyone in. 131 00:07:24,311 --> 00:07:26,780 We were all panicked that there was 132 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,148 someone in the building 133 00:07:28,248 --> 00:07:31,283 that was going to shoot someone else again. 134 00:07:31,284 --> 00:07:32,986 By that point, there was a group 135 00:07:33,086 --> 00:07:35,588 of students at the school. 136 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:37,323 A police officer said, 137 00:07:37,324 --> 00:07:39,291 Okay, I need everyone in the student lounge, 138 00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:43,162 and I need everyone's hands on the table. 139 00:07:43,163 --> 00:07:45,298 We were all suspects. 140 00:07:56,476 --> 00:07:58,477 Think about this for a moment. 141 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:02,181 They didn't even realize Dan had been shot at first. 142 00:08:02,182 --> 00:08:04,484 That seems to defy belief, doesn't it? 143 00:08:04,585 --> 00:08:06,085 That's reality for you. 144 00:08:06,086 --> 00:08:08,454 I probably couldn't write that in a novel. 145 00:08:08,455 --> 00:08:11,490 But as investigators gathered the students and staff, 146 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:13,793 every person who had walked through those kitchen doors 147 00:08:13,794 --> 00:08:17,865 that morning became someone they couldn't ignore. 148 00:08:17,965 --> 00:08:20,833 It had all the makings of a classic whodunit-- 149 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:24,837 a familiar place, a room full of suspects, 150 00:08:24,838 --> 00:08:27,474 and maybe a killer hiding among them. 151 00:08:28,676 --> 00:08:31,845 We had a number of students at the location-- 152 00:08:31,945 --> 00:08:33,681 28, 30 students. 153 00:08:33,781 --> 00:08:35,515 We don't know who the shooter is. 154 00:08:35,616 --> 00:08:37,183 It could be one of them. 155 00:08:37,184 --> 00:08:41,721 So we had a lot of interviewing that needed to be conducted. 156 00:08:44,091 --> 00:08:45,958 I was seeing people everywhere. 157 00:08:45,959 --> 00:08:47,227 Media had arrived. 158 00:08:47,327 --> 00:08:49,061 Cameras were there. 159 00:08:49,062 --> 00:08:52,531 Right away we could tell, this is gonna be kind of a deal. 160 00:08:54,267 --> 00:08:56,202 Our initial search revealed that 161 00:08:56,203 --> 00:08:58,738 there was no surveillance video at the school. 162 00:08:58,739 --> 00:09:01,575 So really, we had to look at the physical evidence. 163 00:09:01,675 --> 00:09:03,410 What we had was two shell casings, 164 00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:05,511 appeared to be 9-millimeter. 165 00:09:05,512 --> 00:09:09,248 Dan's phone was there, Dan's wallet, his glasses, 166 00:09:09,249 --> 00:09:12,418 all personal items were still there. 167 00:09:12,419 --> 00:09:14,053 It looked like he had been preparing, 168 00:09:14,054 --> 00:09:16,122 and someone came up and surprised him 169 00:09:16,123 --> 00:09:18,024 when they killed him. 170 00:09:19,727 --> 00:09:21,929 As I'm coming across the river, 171 00:09:22,029 --> 00:09:24,064 we come down Jefferson Street in front of the school 172 00:09:24,164 --> 00:09:25,432 and it's all taped off. 173 00:09:25,532 --> 00:09:27,366 And so I pulled over. 174 00:09:27,367 --> 00:09:29,902 There's a crowd all around the yellow tape. 175 00:09:29,903 --> 00:09:32,905 And I turn, and there's Nancy. 176 00:09:32,906 --> 00:09:34,273 And she's staring. 177 00:09:34,274 --> 00:09:37,109 And I turn and I reach, and I hand the ribbon up, 178 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:40,379 and the officer looks at me and says, you can't do that. 179 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:41,714 And I lost it. 180 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:43,315 And I said, that's his [bleep] wife. 181 00:09:43,316 --> 00:09:45,752 And you better let her in here. 182 00:09:45,753 --> 00:09:49,922 And the officer looked at Nancy and says, are you Mrs. Brophy? 183 00:09:49,923 --> 00:09:51,625 Yes, I am. Please, come with me. 184 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,762 I was still interviewing students 185 00:09:55,763 --> 00:09:57,764 when Dan's spouse arrived. 186 00:09:57,765 --> 00:09:59,632 My understanding is she was at home 187 00:09:59,633 --> 00:10:02,135 at the time Dan was murdered. 188 00:10:02,235 --> 00:10:07,573 And so we knew we had to provide a death notification. 189 00:10:07,574 --> 00:10:09,108 It's one of those tough things that 190 00:10:09,109 --> 00:10:11,611 you have to do in police work. 191 00:10:11,712 --> 00:10:15,015 You have to tell somebody, you know, terrible news. 192 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:30,864 So... 193 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:11,538 Yeah. Mm-hmm. 194 00:11:17,110 --> 00:11:19,678 I wanted to find out about this gun 195 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,882 because my concern is that he decided 196 00:11:22,883 --> 00:11:25,351 to start carrying that gun with him, 197 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:26,853 and it was taken from him 198 00:11:26,854 --> 00:11:29,189 in the course of something, some kind of altercation. 199 00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:51,377 It was late in the afternoon. 200 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:54,346 And the coroner finally came. 201 00:11:54,347 --> 00:11:57,384 And they brought Dan's body out. 202 00:11:59,186 --> 00:12:02,521 I told the officer I needed to say goodbye. 203 00:12:02,522 --> 00:12:05,092 And I crossed the line. 204 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:10,362 And I... 205 00:12:12,966 --> 00:12:14,401 I lost it. 206 00:12:16,269 --> 00:12:18,605 You know, I cried a lot over this one. 207 00:12:21,942 --> 00:12:24,111 Nothing hits harder for detectives 208 00:12:24,211 --> 00:12:29,081 than facing family and friends after a loss. 209 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:32,919 That devastating moment they have to tell them 210 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,123 that their loved one is gone forever. 211 00:12:37,825 --> 00:12:39,591 Given that we didn't have much to go on, 212 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:42,361 we started to think that maybe this was targeted. 213 00:12:44,464 --> 00:12:48,902 Does somebody have a problem with Dan? 214 00:12:55,242 --> 00:12:57,811 Dan could rub students the wrong way. 215 00:12:57,911 --> 00:13:00,013 Not everyone appreciated his sense of humor. 216 00:13:03,416 --> 00:13:05,084 Dan had some encounters with students 217 00:13:05,085 --> 00:13:07,487 that we had to have discussions about. 218 00:13:07,587 --> 00:13:11,157 We told him that he could be himself, 219 00:13:11,158 --> 00:13:13,459 but that he had to respect the students 220 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:17,463 and understand that not everyone got him. 221 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:19,166 We interviewed all the students. 222 00:13:19,266 --> 00:13:21,134 Did you ever have an issue with Dan? 223 00:13:21,234 --> 00:13:22,669 You know, did you have a problem with Dan? 224 00:13:22,769 --> 00:13:24,803 Did Dan give you a bad grade? 225 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:28,174 Were you angry at Dan for the way he talked to you in class? 226 00:13:28,175 --> 00:13:30,977 After interviewing all the current students, 227 00:13:30,978 --> 00:13:33,813 none of them had an apparent issue with Dan. 228 00:13:34,714 --> 00:13:37,850 So then we started thinking about the former students. 229 00:13:37,851 --> 00:13:40,452 Maybe there was somebody in the past 230 00:13:40,453 --> 00:13:43,189 Dan had made mad 231 00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:45,859 and had come there to take him out. 232 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,666 Every teacher collects a few grudges-- 233 00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:57,336 a harsh critique, a failed grade, 234 00:13:57,337 --> 00:13:59,705 a reprimand delivered in front of the class. 235 00:13:59,706 --> 00:14:01,440 It comes with the job. 236 00:14:01,441 --> 00:14:04,076 Dan Brophy had spent years teaching students 237 00:14:04,077 --> 00:14:06,546 who didn't always appreciate his methods. 238 00:14:06,646 --> 00:14:09,716 And when you stand in front of a classroom long enough, 239 00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:13,519 someone may take away the wrong lesson. 240 00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:17,056 We had a whole ton of students, 241 00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:18,691 but nobody that came forward to say, 242 00:14:18,791 --> 00:14:22,861 I heard a gunshot, or I saw somebody running with a gun. 243 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:26,032 So the interview process was vast. 244 00:14:26,033 --> 00:14:27,666 We realized that this was gonna be 245 00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:31,203 a pretty big challenge to figure this case out. 246 00:14:31,204 --> 00:14:33,305 * 247 00:14:33,306 --> 00:14:36,342 Meanwhile, with Nancy telling us 248 00:14:36,343 --> 00:14:39,078 that they bought a handgun that they had at home, 249 00:14:39,079 --> 00:14:41,081 we knew we needed to look at the gun. 250 00:14:41,181 --> 00:14:43,349 She told us it was a semiautomatic 9-millimeter. 251 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:46,986 We knew we had 9-millimeter casings at our scene. 252 00:14:46,987 --> 00:14:49,588 There was no firearm found at the scene. 253 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:52,391 So the detectives decided to drive Nancy home 254 00:14:52,392 --> 00:14:55,262 to check to see if the firearm was there. 255 00:14:57,064 --> 00:14:58,932 Turns out, the gun is back at home. 256 00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:00,532 It looked like it had never been touched. 257 00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:02,401 Everything is in place. 258 00:15:02,402 --> 00:15:03,835 The zip ties are through it. 259 00:15:03,836 --> 00:15:05,404 And we were able to prove 260 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:07,573 through the Oregon State Police Crime Lab 261 00:15:07,574 --> 00:15:10,777 that that was not the gun responsible. 262 00:15:13,346 --> 00:15:15,281 While the detectives were at the house, 263 00:15:15,282 --> 00:15:17,283 we started to fan out. 264 00:15:17,284 --> 00:15:20,287 We canvassed his entire neighborhood. 265 00:15:20,387 --> 00:15:23,389 And this neighbor that lived right across the street 266 00:15:23,390 --> 00:15:25,224 from Chef Brophy was like, 267 00:15:25,225 --> 00:15:27,427 well, one of his students used to live right next to us. 268 00:15:27,527 --> 00:15:29,595 He's a really weird guy. 269 00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:32,731 We heard that he hated Chef Brophy. 270 00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:37,803 It took a lot of work to find this person's identity, 271 00:15:37,804 --> 00:15:40,672 because he moved away. 272 00:15:40,673 --> 00:15:44,276 But we eventually tracked him down. 273 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,279 He was a young man named Conrad, 274 00:15:46,379 --> 00:15:49,515 the former culinary institute student. 275 00:15:49,516 --> 00:15:53,252 He was now living in the Bend area. 276 00:15:54,921 --> 00:15:56,989 It was difficult, because it was a farm 277 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:59,126 and it was a sort of a rural area. 278 00:16:01,261 --> 00:16:02,828 And then I made the call. 279 00:16:19,146 --> 00:16:21,013 Hey, I'm conducting an investigation right now, 280 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:23,650 and Chef Dan Brophy was killed. 281 00:16:32,459 --> 00:16:34,160 I think he felt a little bit paranoid. 282 00:16:34,161 --> 00:16:36,529 There is this potential issue 283 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:39,366 that maybe he did have with Chef Brophy. 284 00:16:53,946 --> 00:16:57,050 We had the sheriff's office do background checks, 285 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:58,351 check on his criminal history. 286 00:16:58,451 --> 00:17:00,119 Nothing going on. 287 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,089 And we couldn't connect him to anything at our scene, 288 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:04,190 anything in the area. 289 00:17:04,191 --> 00:17:05,557 Once we went through all that, 290 00:17:05,558 --> 00:17:09,195 we got to a point where there's just nothing here. 291 00:17:09,196 --> 00:17:11,398 And he was very open with us. 292 00:17:11,498 --> 00:17:14,500 It didn't seem like he was being deceptive in any way. 293 00:17:14,501 --> 00:17:17,703 We believed that Conrad wasn't involved in any of this. 294 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:20,073 And after our other interviews, 295 00:17:20,173 --> 00:17:23,909 we were not able to determine any beef with him 296 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:25,378 with any of the former students. 297 00:17:36,323 --> 00:17:37,556 Thank you all for coming. 298 00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:39,226 It's great to see everybody here 299 00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:41,594 to show their appreciation for one of my best friends 300 00:17:41,694 --> 00:17:42,728 I've ever had in my entire life-- 301 00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:44,564 They had a vigil for Dan-- 302 00:17:44,664 --> 00:17:49,034 graduates, current students, friends, family. 303 00:17:49,035 --> 00:17:50,436 The crowd just kept coming. 304 00:17:50,437 --> 00:17:53,172 Dan was-- you know, he was the pinnacle. 305 00:17:53,173 --> 00:17:54,673 He was at the top. 306 00:17:54,674 --> 00:17:57,344 So it's a tough loss for everyone. 307 00:18:02,014 --> 00:18:04,616 Nancy told stories and thanked everybody. 308 00:18:04,617 --> 00:18:07,586 He was a huge part of our school, 309 00:18:07,587 --> 00:18:09,421 part of the heart and soul of our school. 310 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:11,724 And so there was grief. 311 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:16,162 Immediately after, 312 00:18:16,163 --> 00:18:18,298 I do remember Nancy coming to us 313 00:18:18,398 --> 00:18:22,302 and she very strongly chastised Brian and I 314 00:18:22,402 --> 00:18:25,272 for not having security cameras in the school. 315 00:18:26,706 --> 00:18:29,142 In fiction, when my detective hits the wall, 316 00:18:29,242 --> 00:18:31,777 I can always put a clue on the next page. 317 00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:33,979 Real detectives don't get that luxury. 318 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:36,983 They have to work through every name and chase every lead, 319 00:18:37,083 --> 00:18:40,286 all while a grieving family waits for answers. 320 00:18:40,287 --> 00:18:43,422 But somewhere in that long list of names and dead ends, 321 00:18:43,423 --> 00:18:47,259 one overlooked detail begins to stand out. 322 00:18:49,229 --> 00:18:53,899 We were trying to look for any clue as to what happened. 323 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:56,134 There was no surveillance video. 324 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:58,904 And so the detective said, hey, do you want to walk around 325 00:18:58,905 --> 00:19:01,807 and look for surveillance footage? 326 00:19:01,808 --> 00:19:04,443 Bellagio's Pizza, which is almost directly 327 00:19:04,444 --> 00:19:06,645 across the street from the culinary institute, 328 00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:09,848 they had a camera and allowed us 329 00:19:09,849 --> 00:19:13,185 to view their surveillance from that morning. 330 00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:16,489 We knew this area had houseless issues. 331 00:19:16,589 --> 00:19:17,956 There were some homeless people 332 00:19:17,957 --> 00:19:20,359 that were regulars in the area. 333 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,663 That morning, Chef Brophy had left the garage door open. 334 00:19:23,763 --> 00:19:26,164 Could one homeless person have seen that 335 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:28,868 as a window of opportunity to go in and steal liquor, 336 00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:31,470 rob the person in there, 337 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:33,172 and then Dan was killed? 338 00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:37,043 Watching the surveillance footage, 339 00:19:37,143 --> 00:19:41,179 we did see a known homeless person circling 340 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,982 the culinary institute around the time of the murder. 341 00:19:43,983 --> 00:19:46,385 We found out his name was Oscar Taylor 342 00:19:46,386 --> 00:19:50,055 from some of the officers that work in that particular area. 343 00:19:50,056 --> 00:19:52,224 We knew we needed to do some follow-up, 344 00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:55,061 so we had a flyer out for patrol to try to locate him. 345 00:19:55,161 --> 00:19:58,698 He had a violent past, had assaulted people, 346 00:19:58,798 --> 00:20:00,799 had also fought with the police. 347 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,201 We searched the entire area, 348 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:04,804 but we could not find Oscar. 349 00:20:18,485 --> 00:20:20,720 In books, the guilty always run. 350 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:23,355 It's practically a rule in crime fiction. 351 00:20:23,356 --> 00:20:27,593 The moment the net starts to close, our suspect bolts. 352 00:20:27,594 --> 00:20:29,227 And before you know it, 353 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:31,363 the chase is half the story. 354 00:20:33,099 --> 00:20:35,233 With Oscar Taylor, we were thinking that maybe 355 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:38,570 he went in to just find some money or property, 356 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:42,575 'cause he was homeless, and got confronted by Dan. 357 00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:45,477 And then there was an altercation and he shot him. 358 00:20:45,478 --> 00:20:48,580 We didn't really know where he was. 359 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,782 We went back for days and days, 360 00:20:50,783 --> 00:20:53,652 collecting as much video as we could. 361 00:20:53,653 --> 00:20:56,456 Then, I'd caught another homicide case. 362 00:20:56,556 --> 00:20:58,724 Darren and I were working it together. 363 00:20:58,725 --> 00:21:02,628 And we were all the way on the other side of town. 364 00:21:02,629 --> 00:21:05,397 And this area had a high transient population 365 00:21:05,398 --> 00:21:06,965 where people were camping. 366 00:21:06,966 --> 00:21:08,434 And we were canvassing in that area, 367 00:21:08,435 --> 00:21:09,969 and a guy drove by on a bike. 368 00:21:10,069 --> 00:21:12,103 And lo and behold, it's Oscar. 369 00:21:14,173 --> 00:21:17,777 And so we stopped him and we interviewed him. 370 00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:20,612 Let's be honest. 371 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:23,382 If I wrote a novel where detectives searched for a man, 372 00:21:23,383 --> 00:21:25,116 only to find him by coincidence 373 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:28,620 while driving across town on an unrelated case, 374 00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,322 you'd throw the book at me. 375 00:21:30,323 --> 00:21:33,859 It would feel too convenient, too unrealistic. 376 00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:37,296 But real life doesn't care what makes sense in fiction. 377 00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:42,669 He admitted that he was out by the institute 378 00:21:42,769 --> 00:21:44,504 when Dan was killed. 379 00:21:44,604 --> 00:21:47,639 We went through a lot of Q&A with him about, 380 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,975 hey, have you been involved in anything lately? 381 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:52,479 When we saw him on the Bellagio's video surveillance, 382 00:21:52,579 --> 00:21:55,447 he was wheeling that, going from left to right. 383 00:21:55,448 --> 00:21:58,650 At some point, did he maybe then go over to OCI? 384 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:00,118 And he said, no, I remember that day. 385 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,153 He's like, I don't remember 386 00:22:01,253 --> 00:22:02,654 seeing anything and hearing anything. 387 00:22:02,655 --> 00:22:04,356 And then we found other videos 388 00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:06,157 that showed he had continued going up the hill 389 00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:08,460 and out of the crime scene area. 390 00:22:08,461 --> 00:22:10,997 So we were able to rule him out completely. 391 00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:15,501 Learning who the person is that's been killed 392 00:22:15,502 --> 00:22:17,336 is very important. 393 00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:19,605 Coming to understand who Dan is 394 00:22:19,606 --> 00:22:22,842 becomes a key piece in your investigation. 395 00:22:23,910 --> 00:22:27,178 We learned that Dan was really into mushroom foraging 396 00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:30,015 out in the coastal forest ranges. 397 00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,451 He would take people like me to teach me 398 00:22:32,452 --> 00:22:34,720 to look for morels or chanterelles 399 00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:35,887 or lobster mushrooms. 400 00:22:35,888 --> 00:22:38,490 The mushroom that we're hoping to find 401 00:22:38,491 --> 00:22:40,392 are chanterelles. 402 00:22:40,393 --> 00:22:43,829 Dan had spent years doing that. 403 00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:46,532 And he could make a lot of money selling mushrooms. 404 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:49,234 Mushroom foragers are also 405 00:22:49,235 --> 00:22:52,071 notoriously private with their locations. 406 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,243 Once people find a spot that they like, 407 00:22:57,343 --> 00:23:00,912 they don't tell anybody and they tend to protect it. 408 00:23:00,913 --> 00:23:02,881 There have been incidents where people have 409 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:06,919 confronted individuals while foraging for mushrooms. 410 00:23:09,556 --> 00:23:11,090 A lot of people in that community 411 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:13,391 do actually carry firearms when they go out 412 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,760 in case there is a confrontation. 413 00:23:14,761 --> 00:23:16,695 There's been, you know, fights 414 00:23:16,696 --> 00:23:19,432 and even gunplay over mushrooms. 415 00:23:21,968 --> 00:23:24,971 We interviewed the family of Dan Brophy. 416 00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,273 There was Dan's son, Nathaniel, 417 00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:28,940 from another marriage. 418 00:23:28,941 --> 00:23:31,443 Nathaniel was into guns, had guns, 419 00:23:31,444 --> 00:23:33,244 and he thought that it would be odd 420 00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:36,983 that his dad would purchase a gun without even mentioning it. 421 00:23:43,790 --> 00:23:46,325 Did your father ever talk about 422 00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:49,161 using guns or wanting to buy a gun at all? 423 00:23:50,296 --> 00:23:52,799 No, not to my knowledge. 424 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:05,978 Okay. 425 00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:10,816 And so we thought maybe Dan 426 00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:13,686 did want to buy this gun with Nancy for his own protection, 427 00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:15,687 whether it be at the school or whether it be 428 00:24:15,688 --> 00:24:17,623 when he goes out mushroom foraging. 429 00:24:20,092 --> 00:24:22,494 We wanted to see if there was somebody involved 430 00:24:22,495 --> 00:24:26,031 in that community that maybe had a beef with Dan. 431 00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:30,001 We didn't know if somebody took it too far 432 00:24:30,002 --> 00:24:32,872 or somebody was protecting their territory, 433 00:24:32,972 --> 00:24:37,577 and that Dan had somehow stepped on somebody's toes. 434 00:24:43,616 --> 00:24:46,017 Mushroom foraging, given how competitive it is, 435 00:24:46,018 --> 00:24:50,021 became so important to follow-up on. 436 00:24:50,022 --> 00:24:53,892 We tracked down fellow mushroom foragers. 437 00:24:53,893 --> 00:24:57,829 And there was really nothing to indicate that 438 00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:59,898 Dan had some sort of altercation. 439 00:25:02,301 --> 00:25:05,070 So at this point, we're ruling out a lot of the things 440 00:25:05,071 --> 00:25:07,573 that we thought could have been possible in this case. 441 00:25:07,574 --> 00:25:11,142 We felt like we'd covered everything. 442 00:25:11,143 --> 00:25:13,712 Right now, there's not many answers. 443 00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:18,084 Investigators chase every lead-- 444 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:21,052 Dan's students, his work, 445 00:25:21,053 --> 00:25:23,054 his passion for mushrooms. 446 00:25:23,055 --> 00:25:25,891 But one by one, they come up empty. 447 00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:28,560 Weeks pass, then months. 448 00:25:28,561 --> 00:25:30,796 The case goes quiet and people begin to assume 449 00:25:30,797 --> 00:25:32,599 it's dead and buried. 450 00:25:32,699 --> 00:25:35,434 But answers don't disappear. They wait. 451 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,603 And when they finally surface, 452 00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:41,206 they return with a fury no one saw coming. 453 00:25:44,777 --> 00:25:46,579 We went back for days and days, 454 00:25:46,679 --> 00:25:50,148 collecting as much video as we could from different areas. 455 00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:53,819 And this became kind of a video case. 456 00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:56,254 We went back and reviewed a lot of the surveillance. 457 00:25:56,255 --> 00:26:00,425 And that's when we started seeing a van on the video. 458 00:26:00,426 --> 00:26:02,961 The first time that the van came to the area 459 00:26:02,962 --> 00:26:06,698 on Bellagio's video was about 7:01 AM. 460 00:26:06,699 --> 00:26:08,233 So that van's there pretty early, 461 00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:10,301 way before Chef Brophy is. 462 00:26:10,302 --> 00:26:13,138 Then we don't see that van again on that video 463 00:26:13,139 --> 00:26:18,209 until it comes back, leaving the area at 7:28. 464 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:21,780 Dan Brophy had to deactivate the alarm at OCI. 465 00:26:21,781 --> 00:26:25,150 The alarm was deactivated at 7:21 AM 466 00:26:25,151 --> 00:26:27,285 for students arriving at 7:30. 467 00:26:27,286 --> 00:26:30,956 So we know that van had been in that vicinity 468 00:26:30,957 --> 00:26:33,825 right during the time frame that he would have been killed. 469 00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:36,294 We were frustrated 470 00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:38,831 because the license plate was pixelated, 471 00:26:38,931 --> 00:26:41,399 so you couldn't really make out what it was. 472 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,334 But I remember watching it over and over and over-- 473 00:26:43,335 --> 00:26:46,137 pause, play, pause, play-- and magnifying it. 474 00:26:46,138 --> 00:26:49,607 We were able to get a few of the numbers. 475 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,977 And so we assigned some other detectives 476 00:26:51,978 --> 00:26:56,816 to work on finding all the Oregon Toyota Sienna minivans 477 00:26:56,916 --> 00:26:58,685 with that partial plate. 478 00:27:02,488 --> 00:27:04,323 I'm at the office. 479 00:27:04,423 --> 00:27:07,826 Nancy calls me 'cause she had some questions. 480 00:27:07,827 --> 00:27:09,661 This is not out of the ordinary 481 00:27:09,662 --> 00:27:12,497 for a victim's loved one to call 482 00:27:12,498 --> 00:27:14,600 to find out what's happening or what's going on. 483 00:27:15,501 --> 00:27:17,168 This may give you a laugh. 484 00:27:17,169 --> 00:27:18,671 I don't want to be the stupid question of the day, 485 00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:21,039 but I think I need to be the stupid question of the day. 486 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,574 Uh... - Okay. 487 00:27:28,214 --> 00:27:30,082 Why? 488 00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:42,094 Because I thought... 489 00:27:46,966 --> 00:27:48,935 You know? - Okay. 490 00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:54,774 Yeah. 491 00:27:57,443 --> 00:27:58,977 I'm kind of taken aback. 492 00:27:58,978 --> 00:28:02,548 Typically, how that works is you file your claim 493 00:28:02,648 --> 00:28:05,383 and the insurance company calls us, 494 00:28:05,384 --> 00:28:09,087 not the loved one of the victim, 495 00:28:09,088 --> 00:28:11,590 and not days after the homicide. 496 00:28:12,391 --> 00:28:14,025 Well, what's going on here? 497 00:28:15,627 --> 00:28:19,899 We started to look into the state of their finances. 498 00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:22,133 Some of the associates said that they had 499 00:28:22,134 --> 00:28:24,803 had some difficulty making ends meet. 500 00:28:24,804 --> 00:28:28,774 When Nancy started getting into writing, 501 00:28:28,775 --> 00:28:31,642 I started noticing some of the financial challenges 502 00:28:31,643 --> 00:28:33,078 they were going through. 503 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,546 At one point, they had bought a Prius. 504 00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:38,416 And then there was no Prius. 505 00:28:38,417 --> 00:28:39,952 I asked Dan, so where'd the Prius go? 506 00:28:40,052 --> 00:28:42,253 Oh, we couldn't afford it. He was very matter of fact. 507 00:28:42,254 --> 00:28:43,722 Couldn't afford it anymore. 508 00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:48,094 Nancy really wanted to project an image of success 509 00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:49,962 as a writer. 510 00:28:50,062 --> 00:28:52,163 And unfortunately for Nancy, success never came. 511 00:28:52,164 --> 00:28:56,268 So we're talking about more than a decade of writing books, 512 00:28:56,368 --> 00:28:58,169 trying to get published, 513 00:28:58,170 --> 00:29:00,538 pushing them out in self-publishing, 514 00:29:00,539 --> 00:29:05,077 trying to get an audience, and not having that add up. 515 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:10,783 We found out that sometimes they were not able 516 00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:12,885 to pay their mortgage. 517 00:29:14,486 --> 00:29:17,522 They really overextended themselves. 518 00:29:17,523 --> 00:29:20,758 Between the two of them, they spent all the money they had. 519 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,694 And so in order to make ends meet, 520 00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:25,832 Nancy took on the job 521 00:29:25,932 --> 00:29:28,534 of selling life insurance on the side. 522 00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:32,971 Then she started taking out policies on Dan. 523 00:29:32,972 --> 00:29:36,207 So she had purchased various life insurance policies, 524 00:29:36,208 --> 00:29:38,677 paying several thousand dollars a month 525 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:40,679 in life insurance premiums. 526 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,148 At the time that Dan died, 527 00:29:43,149 --> 00:29:46,485 they had about $850,000 in life insurance. 528 00:29:46,585 --> 00:29:49,988 And there was about another $400,000 available 529 00:29:49,989 --> 00:29:53,624 to Nancy from workers' comp. 530 00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:56,195 Meanwhile, she was fixing the house up. 531 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:59,330 It looked like she was getting ready to sell the house. 532 00:29:59,331 --> 00:30:02,600 Then Dan's parents told us that the money situation 533 00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:04,903 was so bad at one point that they actually 534 00:30:04,904 --> 00:30:08,173 gave her the van that she currently owned, 535 00:30:08,174 --> 00:30:10,876 the Toyota Sienna minivan. 536 00:30:10,877 --> 00:30:13,011 Looking at surveillance footage, 537 00:30:13,012 --> 00:30:16,982 we identified about 22 other minivans of that year 538 00:30:16,983 --> 00:30:18,216 that were registered in Oregon. 539 00:30:18,217 --> 00:30:20,218 And then we tried to match up the plate. 540 00:30:20,219 --> 00:30:24,322 And we were able to eliminate every single one... 541 00:30:24,323 --> 00:30:26,993 except Nancy's. 542 00:30:32,764 --> 00:30:35,700 It became very clear that Nancy was involved. 543 00:30:35,701 --> 00:30:37,535 So we started to develop this theory. 544 00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:43,375 Nancy was enthralled with being a writer, 545 00:30:43,475 --> 00:30:46,044 where she would write her novels 546 00:30:46,045 --> 00:30:49,215 and travel to exotic places. 547 00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:51,582 That was her dream. 548 00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:55,922 But she realized that with Dan alive, 549 00:30:56,022 --> 00:30:59,225 that would never be able to happen. 550 00:30:59,325 --> 00:31:01,093 We had a motive that 551 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:03,728 you could directly see immediately-- 552 00:31:03,729 --> 00:31:05,764 the life insurance policy. 553 00:31:08,567 --> 00:31:11,102 We decided we're gonna write a search warrant 554 00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:12,570 for Nancy Brophy's house. 555 00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:17,242 We knew we needed to find the murder weapon. 556 00:31:17,243 --> 00:31:19,946 Nancy was home during the search, 557 00:31:20,046 --> 00:31:22,413 and she acted really weird. 558 00:31:22,414 --> 00:31:24,015 She's in the front yard. 559 00:31:24,016 --> 00:31:25,350 And she started wandering around 560 00:31:25,351 --> 00:31:26,618 in little circles saying, 561 00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:28,286 you think I killed my husband. 562 00:31:28,287 --> 00:31:29,588 And you think-- I didn't do anything. 563 00:31:29,688 --> 00:31:31,089 I wasn't there. 564 00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:33,592 And she sort of had this, like, little meltdown. 565 00:31:33,692 --> 00:31:36,227 And then during the search of the house, 566 00:31:36,228 --> 00:31:39,932 that's when we found out that she had a storage unit. 567 00:31:40,032 --> 00:31:43,302 And that's when we found a box that was marked 568 00:31:43,402 --> 00:31:47,272 "Purses, Scarves, and GK." 569 00:31:47,273 --> 00:31:49,641 And so they open up the box and they find purses, 570 00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:52,477 scarves, and a ghost gun kit. 571 00:31:52,478 --> 00:31:56,414 And we thought, there it is. That's the murder weapon. 572 00:31:56,415 --> 00:32:00,385 A ghost gun is a kit that is 80% built. 573 00:32:00,386 --> 00:32:01,988 They're called ghost guns 574 00:32:02,088 --> 00:32:03,955 because they weren't tracked anywhere. 575 00:32:03,956 --> 00:32:06,291 So you could buy one of these guns, 576 00:32:06,292 --> 00:32:08,159 use it in a crime and get rid of it, 577 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,495 and nobody would even know that you ever had it. 578 00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:12,964 And so I open it up. And I'm looking at it. 579 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:14,799 I'm like going, 580 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,136 something's not right here. 581 00:32:17,236 --> 00:32:20,171 That gun is all in its pieces. 582 00:32:20,172 --> 00:32:22,507 It's highly unfunctional at this point. 583 00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:26,677 So we had the ghost gun tested 584 00:32:26,678 --> 00:32:29,015 against the shell casings that we had from the crime scene. 585 00:32:29,115 --> 00:32:30,815 And they didn't match. 586 00:32:32,151 --> 00:32:35,820 Nancy did not use the ghost gun. 587 00:32:35,821 --> 00:32:38,024 But it made Nancy more suspicious to us. 588 00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:43,861 I knew there had to be something else going on. 589 00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:46,097 She wrote novels where she talks about 590 00:32:46,098 --> 00:32:48,666 how to cover your tracks. 591 00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:50,535 She knew police procedures. 592 00:32:50,536 --> 00:32:52,503 Nancy is not just an author. 593 00:32:52,504 --> 00:32:54,839 She's a romantic suspense author. 594 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,844 She writes stories about women who kill their husbands 595 00:32:58,944 --> 00:32:59,977 and get away with it. 596 00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:04,550 That's when I started looking at the gun 597 00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:08,686 that she's given us right after Dan was killed. 598 00:33:08,687 --> 00:33:11,489 She would know that if we tested that gun, 599 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:14,526 it would not match the casings. 600 00:33:14,626 --> 00:33:17,429 She had to have done something with this firearm. 601 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:22,367 For a Glock handgun, there's a very unique mark 602 00:33:22,368 --> 00:33:24,236 that's left on the spent casings 603 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:26,738 by the slide and barrel assembly. 604 00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:30,375 The slide and barrel is a unique part of the handgun 605 00:33:30,376 --> 00:33:33,378 that you can then compare to spent casings 606 00:33:33,379 --> 00:33:35,113 to identify the gun. 607 00:33:35,114 --> 00:33:36,847 Some firearms experts told us that, 608 00:33:36,848 --> 00:33:38,416 well, you could just pay a few hundred bucks 609 00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:41,052 and get a new slide and barrel. 610 00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:43,222 And you could put that onto another gun. 611 00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:46,191 And if you did that, the markings that it leaves 612 00:33:46,192 --> 00:33:49,527 on the shell casing, they wouldn't match. 613 00:33:49,528 --> 00:33:51,496 So I thought, okay, 614 00:33:51,497 --> 00:33:53,732 what does she have on her computers? 615 00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:58,103 When we were digging through Nancy's computer, 616 00:33:58,104 --> 00:34:01,872 we found that she did buy a slide and barrel. 617 00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:05,076 And that slide and barrel would fit the gun she turned over 618 00:34:05,077 --> 00:34:07,878 on the day of the homicide. 619 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:11,916 The theory became Nancy bought the ghost gun, 620 00:34:11,917 --> 00:34:13,619 couldn't put it together, 621 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,953 bought the gun that she turned over. 622 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,422 She took the slide and barrel from eBay, 623 00:34:17,423 --> 00:34:19,990 swapped them out, committed the murder, 624 00:34:19,991 --> 00:34:21,659 put the old one back on. 625 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:26,397 We did search her house for the slide and barrel from eBay, 626 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:28,399 but we never found it. 627 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,102 She probably just threw it 628 00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:32,937 in one of our many bodies of water 629 00:34:32,938 --> 00:34:34,140 that we have around here. 630 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:43,815 Nancy was arrested about three months after the murder. 631 00:34:49,321 --> 00:34:52,290 We asked her about the evidence, 632 00:34:52,291 --> 00:34:53,958 but she didn't talk to us at that point 633 00:34:53,959 --> 00:34:55,461 'cause we had arrested her. 634 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:05,703 And then it was shortly after she was arrested 635 00:35:05,704 --> 00:35:07,805 that we got that article. 636 00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:10,441 That's when things kind of got juicy. 637 00:35:13,078 --> 00:35:15,813 A 71-year-old romantic suspense writer, 638 00:35:15,814 --> 00:35:18,983 Nancy Crampton-Brophy, has written nearly a dozen books. 639 00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:22,287 But it's an essay she penned back in 2011 640 00:35:22,288 --> 00:35:25,823 that is now getting the most attention. 641 00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:29,927 "How to Murder Your Husband" is a satirical blog post 642 00:35:29,928 --> 00:35:32,330 about what a woman should do if she would like 643 00:35:32,331 --> 00:35:35,701 to become single without having to go through a messy divorce. 644 00:35:37,203 --> 00:35:39,770 "How to Murder Your Husband, by Nancy Brophy. 645 00:35:39,771 --> 00:35:41,906 "As a romantic suspense writer, 646 00:35:41,907 --> 00:35:44,476 I spend a lot of time thinking about murder." 647 00:35:46,077 --> 00:35:50,181 Nancy Brophy actually analyzes each option 648 00:35:50,182 --> 00:35:53,051 as if she were the one doing it. 649 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:55,853 You know, everyone kind of went, 650 00:35:55,854 --> 00:35:57,522 oh, my gosh, she wrote about this. 651 00:35:57,523 --> 00:35:59,156 And then she did it. 652 00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:01,659 The novelist who wrote about how to murder your husband 653 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:03,994 is charged with murdering her husband. 654 00:36:03,995 --> 00:36:06,897 Every news outlet seemingly wanted to cover it. 655 00:36:17,543 --> 00:36:19,444 Nancy wrote a satirical piece 656 00:36:19,445 --> 00:36:21,312 about how to murder your husband. 657 00:36:21,313 --> 00:36:22,713 Are you kidding me? 658 00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:23,914 I've read a lot of thrillers, 659 00:36:23,915 --> 00:36:25,883 and let's just say this is either 660 00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:28,052 the most bizarre coincidence, 661 00:36:28,053 --> 00:36:31,088 or something far more unsettling. 662 00:36:31,089 --> 00:36:33,392 It looked damning. 663 00:36:33,492 --> 00:36:36,727 The problem was it wasn't direct evidence. 664 00:36:40,399 --> 00:36:42,933 Going into the trial, you know there's always a risk 665 00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:45,236 when it's just circumstantial evidence 666 00:36:45,237 --> 00:36:47,272 in the entire case-- 667 00:36:47,273 --> 00:36:50,575 Nancy Brophy's van in this area during that time frame, 668 00:36:50,576 --> 00:36:52,778 the theory about the gun. 669 00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:56,414 We had no eyewitnesses, no murder weapon. 670 00:36:56,415 --> 00:36:58,916 We knew the jury was gonna walk in 671 00:36:58,917 --> 00:37:01,420 and see their grandmother wearing a cardigan 672 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,257 and think, how in the world could she have done this? 673 00:37:06,592 --> 00:37:10,461 The defense calls Nancy Crampton-Brophy. 674 00:37:10,462 --> 00:37:12,196 And, you know, am I brokenhearted? 675 00:37:12,197 --> 00:37:13,598 I'm brokenhearted. 676 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,466 Am I delighted to hear stories from people 677 00:37:15,467 --> 00:37:17,234 who loved him as much as I did? 678 00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:19,437 Yeah, I am. 679 00:37:19,438 --> 00:37:20,938 She always thought she was 680 00:37:20,939 --> 00:37:22,607 the smartest person in the room. 681 00:37:22,608 --> 00:37:25,310 Talking about Dan, period, makes me emotional. 682 00:37:25,311 --> 00:37:26,945 And because of that, 683 00:37:27,045 --> 00:37:29,947 she knew that this was her performance of a lifetime. 684 00:37:29,948 --> 00:37:33,083 What's it like to be without him now? 685 00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:35,454 It's like you've lost an arm, you know? 686 00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:38,457 Like, you're just not as good as you were 687 00:37:38,557 --> 00:37:40,758 when you were with him-- 688 00:37:40,759 --> 00:37:42,793 when you were with him. 689 00:37:42,794 --> 00:37:43,961 Nancy was convincing, 690 00:37:43,962 --> 00:37:46,998 talking about her love for Dan. 691 00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:49,468 But we know that her original alibi 692 00:37:49,568 --> 00:37:51,268 that she was at home writing was a lie 693 00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:54,038 because we have video of her car driving around the area 694 00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:55,840 at the time of Dan's death. 695 00:37:55,841 --> 00:37:58,976 I needed the jurors to understand 696 00:37:58,977 --> 00:38:01,278 by the end of her testimony that she's a liar 697 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:03,147 and she definitely did this. 698 00:38:03,148 --> 00:38:05,483 Everybody loved Dan. 699 00:38:05,484 --> 00:38:06,984 Nobody would want to hurt Dan. 700 00:38:06,985 --> 00:38:09,654 Even Nancy herself told that to detectives. 701 00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:12,658 Nobody would want to hurt Dan. 702 00:38:12,758 --> 00:38:14,826 So nobody else had motive. 703 00:38:14,926 --> 00:38:16,293 But Nancy did. 704 00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:18,996 She's manipulating every single person in this room. 705 00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:22,333 Shawn Overstreet is so amazing at 706 00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:23,701 getting Nancy to start talking 707 00:38:23,702 --> 00:38:25,570 and then talking and then talking. 708 00:38:25,571 --> 00:38:27,505 The reason why I have no memory 709 00:38:27,506 --> 00:38:31,275 is because I was stunned by the fact Dan was dead. 710 00:38:31,276 --> 00:38:32,943 And I wouldn't have been stunned 711 00:38:32,944 --> 00:38:35,681 if I'd been in the building and shot him. 712 00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:39,517 I didn't suggest that you did go in to shoot him. 713 00:38:39,518 --> 00:38:41,852 What I'm suggesting in asking-- - Okay. 714 00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:43,721 Is, did you just go in the building? 715 00:38:43,722 --> 00:38:46,357 And then he lets her 716 00:38:46,358 --> 00:38:48,659 basically create enough rope to hang herself. 717 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:50,362 You would agree that you're driving around 718 00:38:50,462 --> 00:38:52,129 in front of the culinary institute 719 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:55,066 at the exact time that Dan is being murdered? 720 00:38:57,202 --> 00:38:58,403 I-- no. 721 00:38:58,404 --> 00:38:59,970 Actually, I don't agree with that. 722 00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:04,609 I was driving around for a full hour before Dan got murdered. 723 00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:06,578 I'm sorry, did you just say that you were driving around? 724 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:08,713 Yes, that's what I was doing, 725 00:39:08,714 --> 00:39:10,280 was driving around, riding. 726 00:39:10,281 --> 00:39:12,383 I thought you didn't know that you were driving. 727 00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:14,085 Didn't I say that yesterday? 728 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:15,420 - No. No. - Okay. 729 00:39:15,421 --> 00:39:16,954 So let's go back over. 730 00:39:16,955 --> 00:39:18,723 Okay, let's go back. 731 00:39:18,724 --> 00:39:22,226 She thought that she could outwit the jury 732 00:39:22,227 --> 00:39:26,064 and convince them of something that's not true. 733 00:39:26,164 --> 00:39:30,168 It's my understanding that the jury has reached a verdict. 734 00:39:33,505 --> 00:39:36,073 Count 1, murder in the second degree, 735 00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:37,743 guilty. 736 00:39:37,843 --> 00:39:39,677 After the verdict came back, 737 00:39:39,678 --> 00:39:41,279 I immediately went to the family. 738 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:43,581 I gave Karen, Dan's mom, a big hug. 739 00:39:43,582 --> 00:39:45,784 Do you feel like justice has been served for your son? 740 00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:47,585 Absolutely. Absolutely. 741 00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:49,119 The whole family seemed very relieved 742 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,256 that Nancy was held responsible. 743 00:39:52,257 --> 00:39:54,892 It was surprising to me the level that she went to 744 00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:56,862 for financial freedom. 745 00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:03,100 The planning that Nancy Brophy put into killing her husband-- 746 00:40:03,101 --> 00:40:05,436 it was diabolical, in my opinion. 747 00:40:05,437 --> 00:40:07,773 Be a good opportunity to remember the man that he was, 748 00:40:07,873 --> 00:40:09,273 the father that he was, 749 00:40:09,274 --> 00:40:10,808 you know, the grandfather that he was. 750 00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:13,611 And the husband he was. 751 00:40:16,648 --> 00:40:20,451 The persona of Dan Brophy was, if you have a question, 752 00:40:20,452 --> 00:40:22,953 don't expect a happy answer. 753 00:40:22,954 --> 00:40:25,155 It's gonna be, you ask me the question, here's the truth. 754 00:40:25,156 --> 00:40:27,125 I'm gonna give you the truth all the time. 755 00:40:27,225 --> 00:40:31,496 What I most want people to understand about Dan Brophy is 756 00:40:31,497 --> 00:40:35,633 that beyond the, at times, hard exterior, 757 00:40:35,634 --> 00:40:38,302 there was a really big heart 758 00:40:38,303 --> 00:40:42,040 that cared very much about the students he taught. 759 00:40:44,075 --> 00:40:47,178 Dan Brophy would want you all to get on with your lives, 760 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:49,346 and would want you to go out and celebrate 761 00:40:49,347 --> 00:40:53,183 a meal with your family, and remember, 762 00:40:53,184 --> 00:40:56,353 that's the time you have with them. 763 00:40:56,354 --> 00:40:58,990 And he'd really want you to go try some Korean fried chicken 764 00:40:59,090 --> 00:41:01,692 up in Vancouver. 765 00:41:03,094 --> 00:41:04,929 A novelist who pens an essay titled 766 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,698 "How to Murder Your Husband" 767 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:09,734 ends up accused of doing just that. 768 00:41:09,735 --> 00:41:11,836 With the final twist that blurs the line 769 00:41:11,837 --> 00:41:15,139 between page and reality, the words Nancy Brophy wrote 770 00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,274 become evidence used against her, 771 00:41:17,275 --> 00:41:20,444 and maybe, I don't know, a confession of sorts. 772 00:41:20,445 --> 00:41:22,613 I'll admit, as a fiction writer, 773 00:41:22,614 --> 00:41:25,851 that troubles me on several levels. 774 00:41:25,951 --> 00:41:28,653 I'm Harlan Coben. Good night.