1 00:00:04,871 --> 00:00:05,038 . 2 00:00:05,105 --> 00:00:07,741 [upbeat music] 3 00:00:08,008 --> 00:00:09,609 * * 4 00:00:09,676 --> 00:00:11,144 - All right. What's up? 5 00:00:11,211 --> 00:00:13,480 Welcome to another "Songs & Stories," 6 00:00:13,546 --> 00:00:16,483 where we bring you into the music, lyrics, 7 00:00:16,549 --> 00:00:17,784 lives, and inspirations 8 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:20,220 of some of the most gifted artists around. 9 00:00:20,286 --> 00:00:22,889 Today, we celebrate a woman who worked her way to create 10 00:00:22,956 --> 00:00:25,692 number one hits, and did so with a blend of sounds 11 00:00:25,759 --> 00:00:28,061 that is truly and uniquely her own. 12 00:00:28,128 --> 00:00:30,530 - Oh, look at Melissa trying to be shy. 13 00:00:30,597 --> 00:00:33,333 - Raised in Detroit and Houston on a foundation 14 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,335 of gospel music, Melissa Jefferson 15 00:00:35,402 --> 00:00:37,537 discovered the flute in grade school. 16 00:00:37,604 --> 00:00:39,339 In high school, she formed the hip-hop group 17 00:00:39,406 --> 00:00:43,343 Cornrow Clique, creating the artist we now know as Lizzo. 18 00:00:43,410 --> 00:00:45,278 She then suffered a devastating loss 19 00:00:45,345 --> 00:00:47,847 with the death of her father, a man who had helped 20 00:00:47,914 --> 00:00:50,116 drive her passion for music. 21 00:00:50,183 --> 00:00:51,885 With his memory and her resolve, 22 00:00:51,951 --> 00:00:54,688 Lizzo headed to Minneapolis, appeared on mixtapes, 23 00:00:54,754 --> 00:00:56,056 and dropped her acclaimed debut, 24 00:00:56,122 --> 00:00:57,957 "Lizzobangers," which led to collabs 25 00:00:58,024 --> 00:01:00,260 with legends like Prince. 26 00:01:00,326 --> 00:01:01,561 Following another indie drop 27 00:01:01,628 --> 00:01:03,530 and her bold major label debut, 28 00:01:03,596 --> 00:01:04,764 "Cuz I Love You"... 29 00:01:04,831 --> 00:01:06,299 - * I love you * 30 00:01:06,366 --> 00:01:08,902 - Lizzo hit her stride with an extraordinary series 31 00:01:08,968 --> 00:01:11,171 of accomplishments. - Lizzo! Looking back! 32 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:14,074 - She was the first Black solo female R&B singer 33 00:01:14,140 --> 00:01:16,743 to top the Hot 100 since 2012, 34 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:19,079 the first Black woman to win Record of the Year 35 00:01:19,145 --> 00:01:22,282 at the Grammys since 1994 with "About Damn Time"... 36 00:01:22,349 --> 00:01:23,983 - * It's about damn time * 37 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:25,385 - And "Truth Hurts" would become 38 00:01:25,452 --> 00:01:27,220 the longest-running number one single 39 00:01:27,287 --> 00:01:29,789 by a solo female rap artist ever. 40 00:01:29,856 --> 00:01:33,827 - * Bom-bom be dum be dum-bum bay * 41 00:01:33,893 --> 00:01:35,128 - In less than a decade, 42 00:01:35,195 --> 00:01:36,696 Lizzo racked up number one hits... 43 00:01:36,763 --> 00:01:38,765 - * That, gimme gimme that, gimme gimme that * 44 00:01:38,832 --> 00:01:41,267 - Dozens of gold and platinum certifications, 45 00:01:41,334 --> 00:01:42,369 an Emmy, 46 00:01:42,435 --> 00:01:44,337 and four Grammy Awards. 47 00:01:44,404 --> 00:01:46,139 Over the years, she's inspired millions 48 00:01:46,206 --> 00:01:49,743 with her style, confidence, tenacity, and a humor 49 00:01:49,809 --> 00:01:51,811 as infectious as it is disarming. 50 00:01:51,878 --> 00:01:53,613 And she's just getting started. 51 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,115 - * Baby, how you feelin' * 52 00:01:55,181 --> 00:01:56,716 - * Feeling good as hell * 53 00:01:56,783 --> 00:01:59,119 [cheers and applause] 54 00:01:59,152 --> 00:02:03,056 - Everybody, please put your hands together for Lizzo. 55 00:02:03,056 --> 00:02:04,324 [upbeat music] 56 00:02:04,391 --> 00:02:06,459 [cheers and applause] 57 00:02:06,526 --> 00:02:13,566 * * 58 00:02:22,609 --> 00:02:24,544 Have a seat! 59 00:02:24,611 --> 00:02:26,780 Oh, my God. 60 00:02:29,916 --> 00:02:31,651 - Oh, my goodness. - You-- 61 00:02:31,718 --> 00:02:34,688 you have one of those smiles that is so infectious. 62 00:02:34,754 --> 00:02:36,122 - Aw, thank you. 63 00:02:36,189 --> 00:02:37,624 - I was going to tell you earlier when we saw each other, 64 00:02:37,691 --> 00:02:39,526 but I was trying to rehearse or whatever. 65 00:02:39,592 --> 00:02:41,127 But, yeah, you have one of the most beautiful smiles, 66 00:02:41,194 --> 00:02:42,262 like when you enter a room. - Aw, so do you. 67 00:02:42,328 --> 00:02:43,363 - No, but you know, like, people... 68 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:44,531 - It lights up your face. 69 00:02:44,597 --> 00:02:45,732 - They say, oh, they light up a room. 70 00:02:45,799 --> 00:02:47,000 We say it too much. Everybody can't do that. 71 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:48,968 But you do that. - But you do that too. 72 00:02:49,102 --> 00:02:50,937 You're a Taurus. You understand. 73 00:02:51,004 --> 00:02:52,539 - You lie. You lie. But I love you. 74 00:02:52,605 --> 00:02:54,007 So wait, this-- this hour, everybody, 75 00:02:54,107 --> 00:02:57,644 we'll be joined on a few songs by my very talented band-- 76 00:02:57,711 --> 00:03:01,081 Jason Halbert on the piano, Jaco Caraco on guitar, 77 00:03:01,147 --> 00:03:04,484 Lester Estelle on drums, Alex Eckhardt on bass, 78 00:03:04,551 --> 00:03:06,386 and Jessi Collins on background vocals. 79 00:03:06,453 --> 00:03:09,155 Y'all give it up for an amazingly talented band. 80 00:03:09,222 --> 00:03:10,957 I want to start, because I feel like a lot of us 81 00:03:11,057 --> 00:03:12,792 artists started in church, like, 82 00:03:12,859 --> 00:03:14,327 started singing in church. And you're one of those, right? 83 00:03:14,394 --> 00:03:15,795 You started with gospel music? 84 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:17,864 - I didn't sing, though. I-- - I know! 85 00:03:17,931 --> 00:03:19,099 I found that interesting. 86 00:03:19,165 --> 00:03:22,168 - Yeah, I was raised in the gospel church. 87 00:03:22,235 --> 00:03:24,971 I was raised in COGIC, which is the Church of God in Christ. 88 00:03:25,071 --> 00:03:29,442 It's a family-owned church. Started in, like, 1914. 89 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:31,244 Right, Mom? When was it? Jesus. 90 00:03:31,311 --> 00:03:34,080 And so my whole family was the congregation, 91 00:03:34,114 --> 00:03:35,849 the choir, the band, the deacons, the pastor. 92 00:03:35,915 --> 00:03:37,183 - Yeah. 93 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:39,085 - So you know, I just-- it was natural to me. 94 00:03:39,085 --> 00:03:40,120 - You couldn't mess up in your church. 95 00:03:40,186 --> 00:03:41,254 Everybody would know. 96 00:03:41,321 --> 00:03:42,789 - Oh, and that's why I never sang. 97 00:03:42,856 --> 00:03:44,691 I just--but that wasn't even my ministry. 98 00:03:44,758 --> 00:03:46,359 I would just watch and be like, wow! 99 00:03:46,426 --> 00:03:47,994 And that's why I learned how to play the flute. 100 00:03:48,094 --> 00:03:49,295 Because I was like, I gotta do something. 101 00:03:49,362 --> 00:03:52,232 - Yeah. Oh, you're-- you're incredible on that. 102 00:03:52,298 --> 00:03:53,333 I don't know how you make 103 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,769 a flute sexy, but you do it well. 104 00:03:55,835 --> 00:03:57,137 And who would have thought that would have happened? 105 00:03:57,203 --> 00:03:58,471 But you did it. But you-- 106 00:03:58,538 --> 00:04:00,173 I heard that you also formed singing groups... 107 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,941 - I did. - Which I think it was funny. 108 00:04:02,042 --> 00:04:03,276 Because it's very much a manager of you. 109 00:04:03,343 --> 00:04:05,245 - I know. - Yeah. I love that. 110 00:04:05,311 --> 00:04:06,846 Or producer, even. - Right. 111 00:04:06,913 --> 00:04:09,516 Well, I wanted to be like Matthew Knowles. 112 00:04:09,582 --> 00:04:10,684 And so--because we were in Houston... 113 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:11,918 - Yeah. 114 00:04:12,052 --> 00:04:13,286 - So Destiny's Child was all the rage. 115 00:04:13,353 --> 00:04:14,521 And I was like, I want to be like them. 116 00:04:14,587 --> 00:04:15,955 - I was in Fort Worth, same thing, yeah, Texas. 117 00:04:16,056 --> 00:04:17,357 - Yeah, come on. Texas girls. 118 00:04:17,424 --> 00:04:19,626 So I would audition my friends. 119 00:04:19,693 --> 00:04:21,094 I would be like, you got a voice on you? 120 00:04:21,161 --> 00:04:22,362 Like, can you-- you got what it-- 121 00:04:22,429 --> 00:04:25,365 I'd be like, you got what it takes? OK. 122 00:04:25,432 --> 00:04:26,633 And I would do auditions over the phone. 123 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:28,368 And I'd be like, OK, now sing a song. 124 00:04:28,435 --> 00:04:30,437 Uh-uh, like, where do you want to go with this? 125 00:04:30,503 --> 00:04:32,238 You want to be on MTV? What do you want to do? 126 00:04:32,305 --> 00:04:33,306 You want to be-- - Oh, my gosh. 127 00:04:33,373 --> 00:04:34,674 I love that. - Yeah. 128 00:04:34,741 --> 00:04:36,309 - Have you always been bigger picture like that? 129 00:04:36,376 --> 00:04:39,079 You think, like, the whole almost orchestra, right? 130 00:04:39,112 --> 00:04:41,548 - You know, it's inside of my head, so I-- 131 00:04:41,614 --> 00:04:43,750 I can't experience what you guys are experiencing. 132 00:04:43,817 --> 00:04:44,884 Because I hear that all the time. 133 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:46,152 They're like, the way your brain works. 134 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:48,088 I'm like, it's just my brain. - It's cool. 135 00:04:48,088 --> 00:04:49,856 - Like, you know, I'm just me. 136 00:04:49,923 --> 00:04:51,224 I appreciate it. - Yeah. 137 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:52,692 - It gets me through the gig, I'll tell you that much. 138 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:55,662 - Yeah, no, but I want to ask about your song, "Juice." 139 00:04:55,729 --> 00:04:57,097 - Oh! 140 00:04:57,163 --> 00:04:58,365 - How did that song come together? 141 00:04:58,431 --> 00:04:59,632 - [sighs] 142 00:04:59,699 --> 00:05:01,701 That was, like, my first, like, diva moment. 143 00:05:01,768 --> 00:05:03,837 That's how "Juice" came about. - Yeah. 144 00:05:03,903 --> 00:05:06,339 - I had been in the studio for a long time, 145 00:05:06,406 --> 00:05:10,310 like, over a year, working with Ricky Reed, 146 00:05:10,377 --> 00:05:11,478 who we love. Make some noise. 147 00:05:11,544 --> 00:05:13,046 He produced "Juice," "About Damn Time," 148 00:05:13,046 --> 00:05:16,716 "Truth Hurts," "Still Bad," "Love in Real Life." 149 00:05:16,783 --> 00:05:20,220 You name it, he bought it, he wrote it with me. 150 00:05:20,286 --> 00:05:22,322 So anyways, I was getting really frustrated 151 00:05:22,389 --> 00:05:24,124 because I was at that beginning stage 152 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:25,892 of, like, artist development, 153 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,261 where the label was just like, more, more, more. 154 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:29,596 Because, you know, they don't know 155 00:05:29,662 --> 00:05:31,097 what a Lizzo hit looks like yet, 156 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:33,667 because I hadn't had one. 157 00:05:33,733 --> 00:05:37,270 So I remember being really frustrated that day. 158 00:05:37,337 --> 00:05:38,538 And I was in the studio, 159 00:05:38,605 --> 00:05:40,240 and there's this other incredible songwriter. 160 00:05:40,306 --> 00:05:41,574 His name is Theron Thomas. 161 00:05:41,641 --> 00:05:43,977 He won Songwriter of the Year at the Grammys. 162 00:05:44,077 --> 00:05:46,112 Make some noise. - Yeah. 163 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:48,548 - It was just, like, us three in a room. 164 00:05:48,615 --> 00:05:50,617 And I looked at both of them, and I was like, 165 00:05:50,684 --> 00:05:53,653 you produce hit songs. You write hit songs. 166 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,622 I'm leaving. Y'all make something happen. 167 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:57,290 And I left. - Yeah. 168 00:05:57,357 --> 00:06:00,026 - I was such a diva, and I never am that way. 169 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:01,027 - No! - I'm always like... 170 00:06:01,094 --> 00:06:02,228 - People don't see that part though. 171 00:06:02,295 --> 00:06:03,530 - Gotta keep working. 172 00:06:03,596 --> 00:06:05,031 Yeah, when you've written, like, 400 songs, 173 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:07,767 and then it's never good enough. 174 00:06:07,834 --> 00:06:10,637 So I left the studio, and then I came back. 175 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:12,439 And when I came back, it was the... 176 00:06:12,505 --> 00:06:15,742 * Dow, dow, bow, dow, dow, dow, dow, do * 177 00:06:15,809 --> 00:06:18,745 And I was like, OK, you guys might have did something. 178 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:20,780 - You did it. Yeah. 179 00:06:20,847 --> 00:06:22,582 - And then after that, like, we just started 180 00:06:22,649 --> 00:06:23,883 having fun and playing. And-- 181 00:06:23,950 --> 00:06:25,118 - That's another lesson though. - Yeah. 182 00:06:25,185 --> 00:06:26,152 - It takes time to create something. 183 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:27,187 - It does. 184 00:06:27,253 --> 00:06:28,388 - I think people think it happens-- 185 00:06:28,455 --> 00:06:29,489 sometimes it does. It goes really quick. 186 00:06:29,556 --> 00:06:30,623 But most times I'd say it doesn't. 187 00:06:30,690 --> 00:06:31,825 - Yeah. 188 00:06:31,891 --> 00:06:32,826 - It takes a minute to create something, 189 00:06:32,892 --> 00:06:34,194 and I think people hear it, 190 00:06:34,260 --> 00:06:35,428 and they're like, oh, that must have been so easy. 191 00:06:35,495 --> 00:06:36,629 It's like, it is-- it's what you love, 192 00:06:36,696 --> 00:06:37,897 but it isn't always easy. - Yeah. 193 00:06:37,964 --> 00:06:39,566 - And I think that's fair to point out. 194 00:06:39,632 --> 00:06:41,501 I want to do a little bit of "Juice." 195 00:06:41,568 --> 00:06:44,137 - Oh! - * Let's do it * 196 00:06:44,204 --> 00:06:46,272 - Two, three, four! 197 00:06:46,339 --> 00:06:48,241 - * Mirror, mirror on the wall * 198 00:06:48,308 --> 00:06:49,776 * Don't say it, 'cause I know I'm cute * 199 00:06:49,843 --> 00:06:50,777 - * Oh, baby * 200 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:52,278 - * Louis down to my drawers * 201 00:06:52,345 --> 00:06:54,914 - * LV all on my shoes * - * Oh, baby * 202 00:06:54,981 --> 00:06:56,449 - * I be drippin' so much sauce * 203 00:06:56,516 --> 00:06:57,917 * I got a bih looking like Ragú * 204 00:06:57,984 --> 00:06:59,085 - * Oh, baby * 205 00:06:59,085 --> 00:07:00,854 - * Lit up a crystal ball * 206 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,288 * That's cool, baby, so is you * 207 00:07:02,355 --> 00:07:03,623 * That's how I roll * 208 00:07:03,690 --> 00:07:06,693 - * If I'm shinin, everybody gonna shine * 209 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,161 - * Yeah, you go * 210 00:07:08,228 --> 00:07:10,764 - * I was born like this, don't even gotta try * 211 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:12,132 - * So you know * 212 00:07:12,198 --> 00:07:14,801 - * I'm like chardonnay, get better over time * 213 00:07:14,868 --> 00:07:16,102 - * Now you know * 214 00:07:16,169 --> 00:07:18,138 - * Heard you say I'm not the baddest * 215 00:07:18,204 --> 00:07:19,939 * Girl, you lie * - Bitch! 216 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,307 [together] * It ain't my fault * 217 00:07:21,374 --> 00:07:23,309 * That I'm out here getting loose * 218 00:07:23,376 --> 00:07:25,578 * Gotta blame it on the Goose * 219 00:07:25,645 --> 00:07:28,481 * Gotta blame it on my juice, baby * 220 00:07:28,548 --> 00:07:29,649 * It ain't my fault * 221 00:07:29,716 --> 00:07:31,818 * That I'm out here making news * 222 00:07:31,885 --> 00:07:34,054 * I'm the pudding in the proof * 223 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:36,189 * Gotta blame it on my juice * 224 00:07:36,256 --> 00:07:39,059 * Ya-ya ee, ya-ya ee * 225 00:07:39,125 --> 00:07:40,694 * Ya-ya ee * 226 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,328 * Blame it on my juice * 227 00:07:42,395 --> 00:07:44,564 * Blame it, blame it on my juice * 228 00:07:44,631 --> 00:07:48,134 * Ya-ya ee, yeah, ya-ya ee, ya-ya ee * 229 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:49,269 - * Here we go * 230 00:07:49,336 --> 00:07:51,271 [together] * Blame it on my juice * 231 00:07:51,338 --> 00:07:53,740 * Blame it on my juice * 232 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:56,843 [cheers and applause] 233 00:07:59,446 --> 00:08:02,382 - Whoa! - I love that ending. 234 00:08:02,449 --> 00:08:04,484 - Baby. 235 00:08:04,551 --> 00:08:07,354 - I love that one. I love that one. 236 00:08:07,420 --> 00:08:09,723 I love that song so much. 237 00:08:09,789 --> 00:08:11,825 I think it's just-- it's one of those songs, 238 00:08:11,891 --> 00:08:13,026 too, that everybody sings along to. 239 00:08:13,059 --> 00:08:14,294 It doesn't matter, like, where you're from. 240 00:08:14,361 --> 00:08:15,895 - Yeah. - Everybody knows that song. 241 00:08:16,029 --> 00:08:17,630 I think that's such a cool thing to have. 242 00:08:17,697 --> 00:08:21,434 Like, not every artist has that in their catalog. 243 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:22,535 And it's just, you have so many. 244 00:08:22,602 --> 00:08:23,937 It's full of it. - Aw. 245 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:27,240 - So you went from not wanting to sing and rap 246 00:08:27,307 --> 00:08:29,542 and do other things to being an inspiration for millions 247 00:08:29,609 --> 00:08:31,578 of women who didn't feel like there was 248 00:08:31,644 --> 00:08:34,547 an artist who looked like them, which is very important. 249 00:08:34,614 --> 00:08:35,782 Have you always been that confident, 250 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:38,184 or was there a shift? - Oh, no. 251 00:08:38,251 --> 00:08:41,254 I don't even think I'm that confident now. 252 00:08:41,321 --> 00:08:44,691 Because I think confidence-- sometimes I am. 253 00:08:44,758 --> 00:08:46,259 - Yeah. - Sometimes I'm not. 254 00:08:46,326 --> 00:08:49,129 I think confidence is not, like, a destination. 255 00:08:49,195 --> 00:08:51,898 I think it's like a mood that you can be in. 256 00:08:51,965 --> 00:08:54,100 Like, sometimes I feel confident. 257 00:08:54,167 --> 00:08:56,202 Sometimes I feel insecure. - Mm-hmm. 258 00:08:56,269 --> 00:08:59,806 - But I think that a woman who looks like me, 259 00:08:59,873 --> 00:09:01,574 showing the world her confidence-- 260 00:09:01,641 --> 00:09:03,810 and sometimes it was scary showing my confidence. 261 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:06,079 Like, it's scary being like, I'ma wear a bikini 262 00:09:06,146 --> 00:09:08,381 or I'ma wear a leotard on stage. 263 00:09:08,448 --> 00:09:10,850 Like, it was scary. But I was like, you know what? 264 00:09:10,917 --> 00:09:13,019 Sometimes confidence comes from doing things 265 00:09:13,086 --> 00:09:15,255 that are scary too. - Yeah, pushing yourself. 266 00:09:15,321 --> 00:09:16,756 - Yeah, you know what I'm saying? 267 00:09:16,823 --> 00:09:18,558 - Pushing yourself, growing, yeah. 268 00:09:18,625 --> 00:09:19,859 [cheers and applause] 269 00:09:19,926 --> 00:09:22,062 - Yay. But I think I can-- 270 00:09:22,128 --> 00:09:23,530 I can get through it all. 271 00:09:23,596 --> 00:09:25,098 I can get through my confidence-- 272 00:09:25,165 --> 00:09:27,100 my confident days and the days 273 00:09:27,167 --> 00:09:29,235 where I lack self-confidence because I have self-love. 274 00:09:29,302 --> 00:09:30,537 - Mm-hmm. - I love myself. 275 00:09:30,603 --> 00:09:32,906 I love myself even when I'm feeling insecure. 276 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:34,941 Like, I have to love myself to nurse myself 277 00:09:35,041 --> 00:09:37,043 back to the confidence. You know what I mean? 278 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:38,445 - That's everyone. 279 00:09:38,511 --> 00:09:39,813 - So I think I had to find self-love first, 280 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:42,048 and then everyone could really see my confidence shine. 281 00:09:42,048 --> 00:09:44,050 - Yeah. And I think that's important. 282 00:09:44,117 --> 00:09:46,853 Because we all have days that we're feeling like, ooh, 283 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,355 I'm doing all right. - Yeah. 284 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:49,723 - And then there's days where you're like, so this is-- 285 00:09:49,789 --> 00:09:51,658 I didn't know there was a basement to rock bottom. 286 00:09:51,725 --> 00:09:52,792 - Hello! 287 00:09:52,859 --> 00:09:54,861 - But I found it, and that's so fun. Yeah. 288 00:09:54,928 --> 00:09:55,929 - There's an elevator, and it goes deeper. 289 00:09:56,062 --> 00:09:56,963 - Hello. Wow. 290 00:09:57,063 --> 00:09:58,598 Hell is even further. 291 00:09:58,665 --> 00:10:00,500 No, it does. it's very important. 292 00:10:00,567 --> 00:10:02,068 Because people, I think, see us, once again, 293 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:03,069 out here smiling and doing stuff. 294 00:10:03,136 --> 00:10:04,337 - Yeah. 295 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:05,805 - But it's like, there's a whole life going on, 296 00:10:05,872 --> 00:10:07,173 you know, behind the scenes that everybody doesn't see. 297 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,541 But I think it's so important, 298 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:11,111 and that confidence that you instill in people that 299 00:10:11,177 --> 00:10:12,212 maybe they wouldn't have before. 300 00:10:12,278 --> 00:10:13,380 - Yeah. - I think. 301 00:10:13,446 --> 00:10:14,614 And a lot of your songs are so empowering 302 00:10:14,681 --> 00:10:15,815 like that too. - Aw. 303 00:10:15,882 --> 00:10:17,450 - But speaking of embracing who you are, 304 00:10:17,517 --> 00:10:19,219 one of your earliest singles is "Good As Hell"... 305 00:10:19,285 --> 00:10:20,653 - Oh, yeah. - Which is so good. 306 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,288 [cheers and applause] 307 00:10:22,355 --> 00:10:25,258 What does that mean to you? 308 00:10:25,325 --> 00:10:27,027 Do you have to sing this to yourself sometimes-- 309 00:10:27,093 --> 00:10:28,228 you know, the whole message, the vibe? 310 00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:30,797 - Oh, God, there was a year of my life where 311 00:10:30,864 --> 00:10:32,399 I cried every time I sang this song on stage 312 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:34,067 because I needed it so bad. 313 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:36,036 I was like... [imitates tearful singing] 314 00:10:36,102 --> 00:10:37,704 - Yeah, you're like, actually, it's not great. 315 00:10:37,771 --> 00:10:39,572 I'm feeling good. - I throw my hair down. 316 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:41,207 - Yeah. [laughs] 317 00:10:41,274 --> 00:10:45,645 - But it's funny, because I wrote this song for my friends. 318 00:10:45,712 --> 00:10:48,281 So you know, if my friend was going through something, 319 00:10:48,348 --> 00:10:49,582 I'd be like, what would I tell her? 320 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:50,884 You know what I mean? 321 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:52,285 And then "Good As Hell" happened, you know, 322 00:10:52,352 --> 00:10:53,787 with the little piano riff. 323 00:10:53,853 --> 00:10:56,489 But I need my music so bad, and I never know 324 00:10:56,556 --> 00:10:58,024 when I'm going to need it too. That's the crazy part. 325 00:10:58,091 --> 00:10:59,325 - Yeah. 326 00:10:59,392 --> 00:11:01,227 - Like, "Soulmate" comes in handy, too, honey. 327 00:11:01,294 --> 00:11:05,532 Like, because, you know, music should be useful. 328 00:11:05,598 --> 00:11:07,600 - And isn't it funny that you're on stage 329 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:08,935 and you don't think-- all of a sudden, 330 00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:10,337 you're singing a song that you've sang, like, 331 00:11:10,403 --> 00:11:11,504 every night on tour or something, 332 00:11:11,571 --> 00:11:12,739 and then, all of a sudden, for some reason, 333 00:11:12,806 --> 00:11:14,074 it hits you different. - It hits different. 334 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:15,141 - And you're like, ah, everything's fine. 335 00:11:15,208 --> 00:11:16,476 - Whew! - Yeah. 336 00:11:16,543 --> 00:11:18,078 - Yeah. - Yeah. 337 00:11:18,111 --> 00:11:19,713 - I love music, though, because it's transformative like that. 338 00:11:19,779 --> 00:11:21,381 - It's therapeutic, yeah. - Oh, come on. 339 00:11:21,448 --> 00:11:23,183 - And you want to become a better version of yourself. 340 00:11:23,249 --> 00:11:24,884 That's the whole point of art, in general. 341 00:11:24,951 --> 00:11:26,619 But let's sing. Let's sing it. 342 00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:27,921 This is "Good as Hell." - Aw. 343 00:11:27,987 --> 00:11:29,155 - This is good. This is good. 344 00:11:29,222 --> 00:11:32,158 ["Good as Hell"] 345 00:11:32,225 --> 00:11:36,329 * * 346 00:11:36,396 --> 00:11:38,665 - Yes, Lord. 347 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:42,168 * I do my hair toss, check my nails * 348 00:11:42,235 --> 00:11:45,005 * Baby, how you feeling? * - Feeling good as hell. 349 00:11:45,105 --> 00:11:47,440 - * Hair toss, check my nails * 350 00:11:47,507 --> 00:11:48,842 * Kelly, how you really feeling? * 351 00:11:48,908 --> 00:11:50,510 - I'm feeling pretty good, actually. Yeah. 352 00:11:50,577 --> 00:11:53,413 - * Ooh, child, I'm tired of the bull * 353 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,148 * Go on, dust your shoulders off * 354 00:11:55,215 --> 00:11:57,350 * Keep it moving, yes, Lord * 355 00:11:57,417 --> 00:11:59,652 * It's time to get some newness in there * 356 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:01,554 * Swimwear, going to the pool quick * 357 00:12:01,621 --> 00:12:03,356 - * Come now, dry your eyes * 358 00:12:03,423 --> 00:12:04,691 * You know you a star * 359 00:12:04,758 --> 00:12:06,226 * You can touch the sky * 360 00:12:06,292 --> 00:12:08,762 - * I know that it's hard, but you have to try * 361 00:12:08,828 --> 00:12:11,898 * If you need advice, let me simplify * 362 00:12:11,965 --> 00:12:13,733 [together] * If he don't love you * 363 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,537 * Anymore * 364 00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:22,375 - * Just walk your fine ass out the door * 365 00:12:22,442 --> 00:12:24,778 [together] * I do my hair toss * 366 00:12:24,844 --> 00:12:26,413 * Check my nails * 367 00:12:26,479 --> 00:12:29,215 - * Baby, how you feeling? * - * Feeling good as hell * 368 00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:31,584 [together] * Hair toss, check my nails * 369 00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:33,086 - * Baby, how you feeling? * 370 00:12:33,119 --> 00:12:34,921 - * Feeling good as hell * 371 00:12:34,988 --> 00:12:36,856 - * Hair toss, check my nails * 372 00:12:36,923 --> 00:12:38,391 * Come on, baby, how you feeling? * 373 00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:40,360 - * Feeling good as hell * 374 00:12:40,427 --> 00:12:42,929 - * Hair toss, check my nails * 375 00:12:42,996 --> 00:12:45,398 * Baby, how you feeling? * 376 00:12:45,465 --> 00:12:47,200 - * Good as hell * - * How you feeling? * 377 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:51,171 - * Good as hell, good as hell * 378 00:12:51,237 --> 00:12:53,973 [cheers and applause] 379 00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:55,775 - I sang at the wrong part. Sorry. 380 00:12:55,842 --> 00:12:57,977 - That's the greatest part. 381 00:12:58,111 --> 00:12:59,813 That was, like, the last song. 382 00:12:59,879 --> 00:13:01,948 I was like, oh, wait, what? No. 383 00:13:02,048 --> 00:13:03,450 So when people-- I love that, though. 384 00:13:03,516 --> 00:13:05,352 What people don't realize is, like, it takes-- 385 00:13:05,418 --> 00:13:07,320 like, the artists that come on here and do "Songs & Stories," 386 00:13:07,387 --> 00:13:09,456 y'all, we literally get to practice this once or twice, 387 00:13:09,522 --> 00:13:11,591 and then we do it. And we're figuring out parts. 388 00:13:11,658 --> 00:13:12,926 It's a completely different version. 389 00:13:13,059 --> 00:13:14,427 And that's what's kind of cool about it. 390 00:13:14,494 --> 00:13:16,563 Like, to hang in this environment, 391 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:18,198 you have to be able to pivot and go, OK, cool. 392 00:13:18,264 --> 00:13:19,499 Now we're going to do this. - Yep. 393 00:13:19,566 --> 00:13:21,301 - And I think that's what's so fun. 394 00:13:21,368 --> 00:13:23,570 I think the world is highly too filtered. 395 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:24,771 - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? 396 00:13:24,838 --> 00:13:26,106 - Absolutely. - We're just too filtered. 397 00:13:26,172 --> 00:13:27,507 It's like, it's OK, like, to like go, OK, cool. 398 00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:28,742 I'll jump up on harmony. 399 00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:30,510 Like, it's OK to, like, do stuff like that. 400 00:13:30,577 --> 00:13:32,746 And sometimes the mess up is where 401 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:34,381 the beauty is, the magic is. 402 00:13:34,447 --> 00:13:36,616 But anyway, we've got a lot more 403 00:13:36,683 --> 00:13:37,917 "Songs & Stories" with Lizzo to come. 404 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:39,819 We'll be right back. - Hey. 405 00:13:39,886 --> 00:13:42,822 [upbeat music] 406 00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:49,229 * * 407 00:13:52,198 --> 00:13:52,365 . 408 00:13:52,432 --> 00:13:54,968 [cheers and applause] 409 00:13:55,335 --> 00:13:58,838 [upbeat music] 410 00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:00,407 - All right, welcome back. 411 00:14:00,473 --> 00:14:03,543 This is "Songs & Stories" with Lizzo. 412 00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:05,045 So we have to talk about the flute, OK? 413 00:14:05,078 --> 00:14:06,413 The flute-- yes! 414 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:07,747 How long have you been playing flute? 415 00:14:07,814 --> 00:14:09,382 - Oh, gosh. 416 00:14:09,449 --> 00:14:10,884 Since the fifth grade. - Wow. 417 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:12,318 - Yeah. Yeah, a long time. 418 00:14:12,385 --> 00:14:14,120 - And how-- and you quit for a while, 419 00:14:14,187 --> 00:14:15,455 right, just a little bit? 420 00:14:15,522 --> 00:14:18,491 - Well, I just, like, stopped playing 421 00:14:18,558 --> 00:14:22,529 the flute because I was running through the six with my woes. 422 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:23,663 I was-- [laughs] 423 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:25,065 - Yep. 424 00:14:25,131 --> 00:14:28,234 - I was fully deep in indie-- being an indie rapper, 425 00:14:28,301 --> 00:14:30,570 and I was, like, fully headfirst into that, 426 00:14:30,637 --> 00:14:32,072 and there was no space for flute in indie rap, 427 00:14:32,138 --> 00:14:33,373 - Yeah. 428 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,574 - Even though J. Dilla exists and is a thing. 429 00:14:34,641 --> 00:14:35,875 - Yeah. 430 00:14:35,942 --> 00:14:38,078 - I was told, you know, don't ever play the flute 431 00:14:38,078 --> 00:14:40,280 and be a rapper. That's going to be so corny. 432 00:14:40,347 --> 00:14:42,849 And so I never did. I was kind of ashamed of it. 433 00:14:42,916 --> 00:14:44,351 - It's so different. It's so cool. 434 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:46,086 It's something that separates you, as well. 435 00:14:46,119 --> 00:14:48,788 Like, great rapper, great singer, great musician, 436 00:14:48,855 --> 00:14:50,690 great producer. - Yeah. Hey, come on. 437 00:14:50,757 --> 00:14:52,225 - Even back from putting your girl groups together. 438 00:14:52,292 --> 00:14:53,259 - Come on. - I was like-- 439 00:14:53,326 --> 00:14:54,561 and you're classically trained. 440 00:14:54,627 --> 00:14:56,096 - Yes. - How do you think that helps? 441 00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:57,197 I think it helps tremendously. - Oh, God. 442 00:14:57,263 --> 00:14:59,099 - Yeah. - It's a whole other language. 443 00:14:59,165 --> 00:15:01,801 Like, I tell young people all the time, like, 444 00:15:01,868 --> 00:15:04,037 if you're in band, stay in band. 445 00:15:04,037 --> 00:15:06,406 Like, I don't care what that-- your peers say, 446 00:15:06,473 --> 00:15:08,041 or what the other classmates say. 447 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:10,276 If it's, oh, you're not cool-- OK. 448 00:15:10,343 --> 00:15:12,312 This is a hidden language that you will use 449 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:13,747 for the rest of your life. 450 00:15:13,813 --> 00:15:16,182 You can speak engineer, you can speak producer... 451 00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:17,751 - Yeah. - Like, you can speak guitar. 452 00:15:17,817 --> 00:15:19,953 Like, when they're playing certain chords, 453 00:15:20,053 --> 00:15:21,955 you can get in there. You can modulate easier. 454 00:15:22,055 --> 00:15:23,390 - Yeah. 455 00:15:23,456 --> 00:15:25,825 - And so I think, like, having a music theory brain-- 456 00:15:25,892 --> 00:15:27,193 - Mm-hmm. 457 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:28,962 - Is definitely the number one reason why I can 458 00:15:29,062 --> 00:15:30,663 make pop music the way I do. - Yeah. 459 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:31,798 - Absolutely, yeah. 460 00:15:31,865 --> 00:15:32,866 - And I think that's what makes it-- 461 00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:34,067 I mean, it is pop. It's popular. 462 00:15:34,067 --> 00:15:35,502 But I think it also-- you encompass 463 00:15:35,568 --> 00:15:36,970 so many different genres, and that's what I think is cool. 464 00:15:37,070 --> 00:15:38,138 - Yeah. - It's such a good vibe. 465 00:15:38,204 --> 00:15:39,205 And it's, like, such a strength 466 00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:40,607 to be able to do that. - Yeah. 467 00:15:40,674 --> 00:15:41,908 - Not many people can waltz into other territories. 468 00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:43,276 - I'm just good at too many things. 469 00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:45,512 That's the problem. Like-- - It's my cross to bear. 470 00:15:45,578 --> 00:15:46,713 - My God. 471 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:47,914 [cheers and applause] 472 00:15:47,981 --> 00:15:50,083 - So exhausting. 473 00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:52,719 - You want soul, you want rock, you want rap, 474 00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:54,254 you want R&B. You want it, I got it. 475 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,855 - With a flute! - Name it, you got it. 476 00:15:55,922 --> 00:15:57,257 - With a flute. 477 00:15:57,323 --> 00:15:59,192 You play flute in "About Damn Time." 478 00:15:59,259 --> 00:16:00,593 Like, what was the... - Yeah. 479 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:01,828 - Thought process on that? 480 00:16:01,895 --> 00:16:03,129 Did you know right away, or you were like, 481 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:05,665 you know what this needs? It's missing cowbell. 482 00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:07,033 It's missing--yeah. - More cowbell. 483 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:08,234 - Yeah. 484 00:16:08,301 --> 00:16:09,836 - There's cowbell-- there's actually cowbell 485 00:16:09,903 --> 00:16:12,038 on "About Damn Time," by the way. 486 00:16:12,038 --> 00:16:13,640 And "Still Bad." - Yeah. 487 00:16:13,707 --> 00:16:17,310 - I think I like to sneak flute on all of my albums. 488 00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:20,113 So Sasha has been snuck onto the "Cuz I Love You" album, 489 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:21,781 snuck onto the "Special" Album, 490 00:16:21,848 --> 00:16:23,483 and I snuck her on "Love in Real Life." 491 00:16:23,550 --> 00:16:24,784 - Your flute is named Sasha? 492 00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:28,288 - Her name is Sasha Flute. - I did not--Sasha? 493 00:16:28,355 --> 00:16:30,056 Like Sasha Fierce. 494 00:16:30,123 --> 00:16:32,959 - You get it. You get it. 495 00:16:33,059 --> 00:16:34,160 - She's your Sasha Fierce. She was my alter ego. 496 00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:35,462 - I like it. - She was my alter ego. 497 00:16:35,528 --> 00:16:37,263 - Sasha Flute, oh, it's good. 498 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:38,498 - And so there was, like, a bell 499 00:16:38,565 --> 00:16:39,699 that was already playing. 500 00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:40,934 It was like a '70s like... 501 00:16:41,067 --> 00:16:42,902 [hums melody] 502 00:16:42,969 --> 00:16:44,337 That type of sound. 503 00:16:44,404 --> 00:16:45,505 And it was playing the... 504 00:16:45,572 --> 00:16:47,874 [hums melody] 505 00:16:47,941 --> 00:16:49,442 And I was like, let me play that. 506 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:51,578 And I went in and I replayed it on the flute. 507 00:16:51,644 --> 00:16:54,314 And I just think it brings the music, like, more heart... 508 00:16:54,381 --> 00:16:55,448 - Yes. 509 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:56,449 - When I put more of myself into it. 510 00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:57,817 - Yes. 511 00:16:57,884 --> 00:16:59,085 - Into the production and into the actual beat. 512 00:16:59,085 --> 00:17:00,186 - You know why? Because it's authentic. 513 00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:01,688 - Yeah. - It's not forced. 514 00:17:01,755 --> 00:17:03,790 I think when people try and force something, 515 00:17:03,857 --> 00:17:05,025 then it's not-- then it's not going to read. 516 00:17:05,025 --> 00:17:06,359 - Right. 517 00:17:06,426 --> 00:17:07,660 - But as long as it's authentic and it's really you, 518 00:17:07,727 --> 00:17:09,129 I think it reads really well. 519 00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:10,530 It obviously did. - Well... 520 00:17:10,597 --> 00:17:11,631 - Let's sing it. - Record of the Year! 521 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:12,866 - Yes! 522 00:17:12,932 --> 00:17:13,900 [cheers and applause] 523 00:17:14,034 --> 00:17:15,235 It's so good. 524 00:17:15,301 --> 00:17:17,837 All right, this is "About Damn Time." 525 00:17:17,904 --> 00:17:19,305 ["About Damn Time"] 526 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:20,440 All right. 527 00:17:20,507 --> 00:17:21,574 - Oh, I think y'all know this one. 528 00:17:21,641 --> 00:17:23,376 I know that's right. You better, ah! 529 00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:27,113 Ah! Ha! Come on. 530 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:29,249 * It's bad bitch o'clock * 531 00:17:29,315 --> 00:17:31,618 * Yeah, it's thick 30 * 532 00:17:31,685 --> 00:17:35,055 * I've been through a lot, but I'm still flirty * 533 00:17:35,055 --> 00:17:36,289 - Hey! 534 00:17:36,356 --> 00:17:38,291 - * Is everybody back up in the building? * 535 00:17:38,358 --> 00:17:40,560 * It's been a minute, tell me how you're healing * 536 00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:42,562 * 'Cause I'm about to get into my feelings * 537 00:17:42,629 --> 00:17:43,663 * How you feeling? * 538 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:45,598 * How you feel right now? * 539 00:17:45,665 --> 00:17:48,201 [together] * Oh, I've been so down * 540 00:17:48,268 --> 00:17:51,438 * And under pressure * 541 00:17:51,504 --> 00:17:54,607 * I'm way too fine to be this stressed, yeah * 542 00:17:54,674 --> 00:18:01,414 * Oh, I'm not the girl I was or used to be * 543 00:18:01,481 --> 00:18:03,016 - * Bitch, I might be better * 544 00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:05,018 [together] * Turn up the music * 545 00:18:05,085 --> 00:18:07,153 * Turn down the lights * 546 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:09,289 * I've got a feeling * 547 00:18:09,356 --> 00:18:11,257 * I'm gonna be all right * 548 00:18:11,324 --> 00:18:13,159 - * OK * - * OK * 549 00:18:13,226 --> 00:18:14,461 - * All right * 550 00:18:14,527 --> 00:18:16,162 [together] * It's about damn time * 551 00:18:16,229 --> 00:18:18,231 * Turn up the music * 552 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:20,567 * Let's celebrate * 553 00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:22,235 * I've got a feeling * 554 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:24,571 * I'm going to be OK * 555 00:18:24,637 --> 00:18:26,506 - * OK * - * OK * 556 00:18:26,573 --> 00:18:27,907 - * All right * 557 00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:29,442 [together] * It's about damn time * 558 00:18:29,509 --> 00:18:31,077 * I'm coming out tonight * 559 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:34,047 * I'm coming out tonight * 560 00:18:34,047 --> 00:18:35,482 * I'm coming out tonight * 561 00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:37,951 * I'm coming out tonight * 562 00:18:38,051 --> 00:18:39,819 * I'm coming out tonight * 563 00:18:39,886 --> 00:18:41,054 * I'm coming out tonight * 564 00:18:41,087 --> 00:18:42,889 - Hey! - * OK * 565 00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:45,291 - * OK * 566 00:18:45,358 --> 00:18:48,061 * It's about damn time * 567 00:18:48,094 --> 00:18:55,135 * * 568 00:19:05,879 --> 00:19:08,915 [cheers and applause] 569 00:19:11,918 --> 00:19:14,120 - You guys, she's incredible. 570 00:19:14,187 --> 00:19:15,855 More "Songs & Stories" with Lizzo next. 571 00:19:15,922 --> 00:19:17,457 Stay right there. 572 00:19:17,524 --> 00:19:20,460 [upbeat music] 573 00:19:20,527 --> 00:19:25,298 * * 574 00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:28,435 . 575 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:31,171 [upbeat music] 576 00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:35,875 * * 577 00:19:35,942 --> 00:19:38,244 - Welcome back to "Songs & Stories." 578 00:19:38,311 --> 00:19:41,548 Lizzo is here with us, everybody. 579 00:19:41,614 --> 00:19:44,284 Early in her life, two major musical influences for Lizzo 580 00:19:44,351 --> 00:19:47,687 were Lauryn Hill and Radiohead, which is so rad. 581 00:19:47,754 --> 00:19:49,522 Those are two great artists. 582 00:19:49,589 --> 00:19:51,424 - Couldn't be more different. - I love that. 583 00:19:51,491 --> 00:19:52,525 Me too, by the way. 584 00:19:52,592 --> 00:19:53,927 I love both those artists. - Yeah. 585 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:55,362 - Yeah. Why those artists? 586 00:19:55,428 --> 00:19:57,130 What about those artists that really influenced you? 587 00:19:57,197 --> 00:19:58,965 - Well, Lauryn Hill is, like, 588 00:19:59,065 --> 00:20:01,801 a once in a generational talent. 589 00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:05,138 And when I first heard "the Miseducation," 590 00:20:05,205 --> 00:20:07,073 it, like, changed my brain chemistry. 591 00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:09,109 Because I could not fathom somebody 592 00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:10,877 being that incredible of a singer 593 00:20:10,944 --> 00:20:12,312 and that incredible of a rapper 594 00:20:12,379 --> 00:20:15,081 and that beautiful and that deep and that real 595 00:20:15,148 --> 00:20:17,384 and write songs that make you cry. 596 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:19,619 "To Zion" is, like, the greatest love song 597 00:20:19,686 --> 00:20:21,488 ever written, ever written. 598 00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:22,722 And it was about her baby. 599 00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:24,691 So that's how-- come on. 600 00:20:24,758 --> 00:20:27,093 And God, which is just like, ugh. 601 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,461 I cry every time. 602 00:20:28,528 --> 00:20:30,797 So, yeah, I mean, Lauryn Hill changed my life, 603 00:20:30,864 --> 00:20:32,532 because I wanted to be a great singer 604 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:33,933 and a great rapper. - Yeah. 605 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,369 - And she was the blueprint. And Missy Elliott. 606 00:20:36,436 --> 00:20:39,472 - Oh, I love Missy Elliott! - Blueprints. 607 00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:40,740 - I love Missy Elliott. Yeah. 608 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:42,342 - Both of those women are the blueprint. 609 00:20:42,409 --> 00:20:43,743 - Well, both are highly innovative. 610 00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:46,179 - Yes. - And Radiohead. 611 00:20:46,246 --> 00:20:47,414 - Radiohead is a different story. 612 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,249 - But still different... - Yeah. 613 00:20:49,315 --> 00:20:51,117 - From what other bands were doing, I feel like. 614 00:20:51,184 --> 00:20:54,888 - Radiohead is my big sister's favorite band, 615 00:20:54,954 --> 00:20:57,090 and so it trickled into the house. 616 00:20:57,157 --> 00:20:58,792 And I used to be like, oh, no, 617 00:20:58,858 --> 00:20:59,793 I don't like that old, you know? 618 00:20:59,859 --> 00:21:00,827 That stuff, it's different. 619 00:21:00,894 --> 00:21:01,861 I don't like that different music. 620 00:21:01,928 --> 00:21:03,063 You know, we grew up in Houston. 621 00:21:03,096 --> 00:21:06,299 - Yeah. - I'm listening to Lil Flip... 622 00:21:06,366 --> 00:21:07,634 - Yeah. - And UGK. 623 00:21:07,701 --> 00:21:08,835 - Yeah. 624 00:21:08,902 --> 00:21:10,270 - But "OK Computer" filtered in, 625 00:21:10,337 --> 00:21:11,604 and I was like, wait, what is this? 626 00:21:11,671 --> 00:21:13,106 - I'm telling you. 627 00:21:13,173 --> 00:21:14,541 - This is, like, one of the greatest albums I ever heard. 628 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:15,809 But I had to keep it on the low, 629 00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:21,781 because I grew up in the swat, you know? 630 00:21:21,848 --> 00:21:23,817 It's not very accepted. 631 00:21:23,883 --> 00:21:25,518 Like, rock music and Black kids listening 632 00:21:25,585 --> 00:21:26,886 to rock music back then, 633 00:21:26,953 --> 00:21:28,254 and I was kind of like on the outside. 634 00:21:28,321 --> 00:21:29,489 - Yeah. 635 00:21:29,556 --> 00:21:31,725 - I watched anime. I listened to rock music. 636 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:33,360 It was very subculture-y. 637 00:21:33,426 --> 00:21:34,894 And Radiohead was very subculture-y for a while. 638 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,262 They, like, rejected the mainstream. 639 00:21:36,329 --> 00:21:37,630 And... - Yeah. 640 00:21:37,697 --> 00:21:39,666 - They're still so innovative in their field too. 641 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,601 Like, the way that they innovated, like, drums 642 00:21:41,668 --> 00:21:43,470 in rock music and pop music is crazy. 643 00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:44,838 Like-- - How it surrounds you. 644 00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:45,972 - I feel like they're the first band who did, 645 00:21:46,106 --> 00:21:47,507 like, synthesized drums. 646 00:21:47,574 --> 00:21:49,242 I feel like rock bands always had, 647 00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,111 like, live drums, the guitar player, 648 00:21:51,177 --> 00:21:52,512 the bass player. - Yeah. 649 00:21:52,579 --> 00:21:53,713 - And then one day, Thom Yorke was just like, 650 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:55,482 [with English accent] No, I'm going to-- 651 00:21:55,548 --> 00:21:56,950 - [with English accent] No. 652 00:21:57,017 --> 00:21:58,752 - [with English accent] I'm going to do a beat machine. 653 00:21:58,818 --> 00:22:00,286 - Oh, my God. 654 00:22:00,353 --> 00:22:02,889 That's an amazing accent. 655 00:22:02,956 --> 00:22:04,791 Anyway, another artist who inspired you, 656 00:22:04,858 --> 00:22:08,061 who I love--and by the way, fell in love with her 657 00:22:08,128 --> 00:22:10,563 not just musically--but if you have not seen her live, 658 00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:12,132 she is also a stand-up comedian. 659 00:22:12,198 --> 00:22:15,068 She is so funny. Adele, I love her. 660 00:22:15,068 --> 00:22:17,070 She's so funny. 661 00:22:17,103 --> 00:22:19,606 I hear that you love this song. I think we all do. 662 00:22:19,673 --> 00:22:21,708 But I hear you love the song "Someone Like You," right? 663 00:22:21,775 --> 00:22:24,811 - Oh, someone like me loves this song. 664 00:22:24,878 --> 00:22:26,980 - Yeah, it's such a great song. 665 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,648 Don't you hear it-- is that one of those songs 666 00:22:28,715 --> 00:22:30,216 that you hear, and you're like, damn it, 667 00:22:30,283 --> 00:22:32,852 I wish I'd have written that. Like, you know what I'm saying? 668 00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:34,354 Do you ever have that, when you hear other artists, 669 00:22:34,421 --> 00:22:35,655 you're like aw? - I do have songs like that. 670 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:37,090 - Yeah. 671 00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:38,992 - I'm glad Adele has it, because she sings it so good. 672 00:22:39,092 --> 00:22:40,794 - No, no, totally. No, totally. 673 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:41,961 I just mean, like, what a great message. 674 00:22:42,095 --> 00:22:42,962 - I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. 675 00:22:43,096 --> 00:22:44,097 - Like, how about--yeah. 676 00:22:44,164 --> 00:22:45,965 - There's also a video of me on YouTube, 677 00:22:46,099 --> 00:22:49,302 like, as a young Lizzo playing it on piano. 678 00:22:49,369 --> 00:22:50,904 It was, like, the first song on piano 679 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:52,305 I learned how to play and sing. 680 00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,307 - I did not find that. - I know. I know. 681 00:22:54,374 --> 00:22:56,209 I'm going to now. - You didn't lurk hard enough. 682 00:22:56,276 --> 00:22:57,377 - Oh, I'm not-- 683 00:22:57,444 --> 00:22:58,678 I'm not good at stalking... - No. 684 00:22:58,745 --> 00:22:59,846 - Like, in that sense. 685 00:22:59,913 --> 00:23:01,081 Yeah, I really love people... - I am. 686 00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:02,349 - Like, and their music. - No, I'm kidding. 687 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:03,483 - I'm bad at it. I'm bad at it. 688 00:23:03,550 --> 00:23:04,651 I'm bad at it. 689 00:23:04,718 --> 00:23:05,652 But let's do a little Adele. 690 00:23:05,719 --> 00:23:06,720 You want to do it? - Yeah. 691 00:23:06,786 --> 00:23:08,455 - OK. Here's "Someone Like You." 692 00:23:08,521 --> 00:23:11,458 ["Someone Like You"] 693 00:23:11,524 --> 00:23:12,959 * * 694 00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:14,427 - You can sing it with us, too, audience. 695 00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:16,062 - Yes. 696 00:23:16,096 --> 00:23:22,569 * * 697 00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:26,072 - * I heard * 698 00:23:26,072 --> 00:23:29,676 * That you're settled down * 699 00:23:29,743 --> 00:23:33,546 * That you've found a girl * 700 00:23:33,613 --> 00:23:39,085 * And you're married now * 701 00:23:39,152 --> 00:23:41,588 * I heard that * 702 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:45,158 * Your dreams came true * 703 00:23:45,225 --> 00:23:48,995 * Guess she gave you things * 704 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:52,699 * That I couldn't give to you * 705 00:23:52,766 --> 00:23:55,969 - * Old friend * 706 00:23:56,102 --> 00:24:00,173 * Why are you so shy? * 707 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,577 * Ain't like you to hold back * 708 00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:08,648 * Or hide from the light * 709 00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:12,252 - * I hate to turn up out of the blue uninvited * 710 00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:16,189 * But I couldn't stay away, I couldn't fight it * 711 00:24:16,256 --> 00:24:18,124 * I'd hoped you'd see my face * 712 00:24:18,191 --> 00:24:19,893 * And that you'd be reminded * 713 00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:26,499 * That for me, this isn't over * 714 00:24:26,566 --> 00:24:28,068 [together] * Never mind * 715 00:24:28,134 --> 00:24:33,540 * I'll find someone like you * 716 00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:35,775 * I wish nothing but * 717 00:24:35,842 --> 00:24:41,181 * The best for you too * 718 00:24:41,247 --> 00:24:44,751 * Don't forget me, I beg * 719 00:24:44,818 --> 00:24:48,355 * I remember you said * 720 00:24:48,421 --> 00:24:51,257 * Sometimes it lasts in love * 721 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:56,429 * But sometimes it hurts instead * 722 00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:59,866 - * Sometimes it lasts in love * 723 00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:03,937 * But sometimes truth hurts instead * 724 00:25:04,037 --> 00:25:07,307 [cheers and applause] 725 00:25:07,374 --> 00:25:10,477 * Bum, bum, be-dum, be-dum, bum, bay * 726 00:25:10,543 --> 00:25:11,845 [laughter] 727 00:25:11,911 --> 00:25:14,514 - All right, more "Songs & Stories" with Lizzo next. 728 00:25:14,581 --> 00:25:15,815 We'll be right back. 729 00:25:15,882 --> 00:25:18,818 [upbeat music] 730 00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:24,391 * * 731 00:25:27,193 --> 00:25:27,360 . 732 00:25:27,427 --> 00:25:29,963 [cheers and applause] 733 00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:33,266 [upbeat music] 734 00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:34,668 * * 735 00:25:34,734 --> 00:25:37,971 - Welcome back to "Songs & Stories" with Lizzo! 736 00:25:38,071 --> 00:25:40,407 [cheers and applause] 737 00:25:40,473 --> 00:25:43,109 We have been doing some hits and inspirations. 738 00:25:43,176 --> 00:25:46,079 Let's talk about the new album, "Love in Real Life." 739 00:25:46,146 --> 00:25:47,614 So what was your writing process? 740 00:25:47,681 --> 00:25:49,215 Because you said you were kind of feeling stuck. 741 00:25:49,282 --> 00:25:51,351 You wanted to get out and not have any, like, chains on it. 742 00:25:51,418 --> 00:25:53,920 So, like, what was your writing process with this album? 743 00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:57,090 - A little, like, autobiographical. 744 00:25:57,157 --> 00:25:59,092 I was writing songs. 745 00:25:59,092 --> 00:26:01,194 I allowed myself-- you know I had that-- 746 00:26:01,261 --> 00:26:03,663 I had a fear for a long time that if I recorded 747 00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:05,532 something in the studio, that it would be 748 00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:07,500 on the radio the next day. [laughs] 749 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:10,403 Or it would be, like, uploaded to Apple Music streaming. 750 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:12,038 - Well, because producers sometimes lie to you. 751 00:26:12,072 --> 00:26:13,406 In the very beginning, they'd be like, just do it. 752 00:26:13,473 --> 00:26:14,674 Let's just see how it sounds. - Yeah. 753 00:26:14,741 --> 00:26:16,776 - And then they'd use it and not tell me. Ask. 754 00:26:16,843 --> 00:26:19,646 - So I'd be so scared to, like, say something, or like-- 755 00:26:19,713 --> 00:26:21,414 this is what I really want to say, but let me change it 756 00:26:21,481 --> 00:26:22,682 before I get in there. 757 00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:25,051 This time I said what I wanted to say, 758 00:26:25,085 --> 00:26:27,620 how I wanted to say it, as disrespectfully 759 00:26:27,687 --> 00:26:29,356 as I wanted to say it, as... 760 00:26:29,422 --> 00:26:30,423 [cheers] 761 00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:32,325 - Truth. Truth hurts. - Hello. 762 00:26:32,392 --> 00:26:34,227 As out of tune as I wanted to say it, 763 00:26:34,294 --> 00:26:35,695 as free as I wanted to say it. 764 00:26:35,762 --> 00:26:38,598 And so I found that, on this album, 765 00:26:38,665 --> 00:26:40,467 if you listen to it, it's like, it-- 766 00:26:40,533 --> 00:26:42,669 it's literally my year. - It's your story. 767 00:26:42,736 --> 00:26:48,742 - Yeah, it's like October 2023 to April 2024 768 00:26:48,808 --> 00:26:50,477 in stories, in songs. 769 00:26:50,543 --> 00:26:52,812 And it was really freeing for me, 770 00:26:52,879 --> 00:26:55,281 because I wanted to talk a lot of [bleep], 771 00:26:55,348 --> 00:26:57,250 and I got to, and it was great. - Yeah. 772 00:26:57,317 --> 00:26:59,185 And that's what art is though. It's therapeutic. 773 00:26:59,252 --> 00:27:00,453 - Right. It didn't make the album. 774 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,656 - Yeah, all that stuff. You filter yourself? 775 00:27:03,723 --> 00:27:07,193 - No, no, but I got to make it. Like, I made the song. 776 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:08,595 And that's so important for creatives 777 00:27:08,661 --> 00:27:10,630 you know? Like, paint the picture. 778 00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:11,931 - Yeah. - Make the song. 779 00:27:12,032 --> 00:27:13,600 You know what I mean? Like, it's OK. 780 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:15,035 Like, get that out of your system. 781 00:27:15,035 --> 00:27:16,436 You're an artist. You have to create. 782 00:27:16,503 --> 00:27:17,671 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 783 00:27:17,737 --> 00:27:19,739 - One song on the album, is called "Bitch." 784 00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:22,042 So why that title? I love it. 785 00:27:22,042 --> 00:27:23,610 - Because I say bitch, like, 5,000 times on it. 786 00:27:23,677 --> 00:27:24,811 - Yeah. 787 00:27:24,878 --> 00:27:25,812 - What else am I going to call it? 788 00:27:25,879 --> 00:27:28,314 I tried. - Yeah. 789 00:27:28,381 --> 00:27:31,084 - At a certain point in your career, as a woman... 790 00:27:31,151 --> 00:27:32,252 - Mm-hmm. 791 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,187 - You reach a level where you start 792 00:27:34,254 --> 00:27:36,923 getting bitch allegations. 793 00:27:37,057 --> 00:27:37,957 - Yeah. - We all get it. 794 00:27:38,058 --> 00:27:39,259 When you work hard-- 795 00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:40,393 - They call you diva. They call you whatever. 796 00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:42,162 Yeah. - Yeah. And I-- 797 00:27:42,228 --> 00:27:45,065 - Just 'cause you said no. You know what I'm saying? 798 00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:46,433 You were just like, I don't want to do that. 799 00:27:46,499 --> 00:27:47,734 - Because God forbid you set a boundary. 800 00:27:47,801 --> 00:27:49,135 - Yeah. - God forbid. 801 00:27:49,202 --> 00:27:50,303 - Yeah. 802 00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:51,504 - They can't handle it from us... 803 00:27:51,571 --> 00:27:52,505 - Yeah. 804 00:27:52,572 --> 00:27:54,274 - Because we're so nice, actually. 805 00:27:54,341 --> 00:27:56,076 And so that's why it's even more shocking. 806 00:27:56,109 --> 00:27:57,310 - Yeah. - It's like, bitch. 807 00:27:57,377 --> 00:27:58,578 And it's like, OK. 808 00:27:58,645 --> 00:28:01,314 But I wrote it to kind of, like, celebrate. 809 00:28:01,381 --> 00:28:03,216 You know, "bitch" is my favorite word. 810 00:28:03,283 --> 00:28:04,784 - Well, and that's the thing, too. 811 00:28:04,851 --> 00:28:06,386 It has different--my mother's always like, why do you use it? 812 00:28:06,453 --> 00:28:08,088 And I was like, Mom, it means something different. 813 00:28:08,154 --> 00:28:10,390 It doesn't always mean what you think it means. 814 00:28:10,457 --> 00:28:13,426 - Yeah, it was like Missy Elliott, you know, 815 00:28:13,493 --> 00:28:16,529 repurposed it and made it feminist. 816 00:28:16,596 --> 00:28:18,098 And then Meredith Brooks took it... 817 00:28:18,164 --> 00:28:19,165 - Yeah. - From Missy... 818 00:28:19,232 --> 00:28:20,500 - Love. - And pushed it forward. 819 00:28:20,567 --> 00:28:22,369 And they handed it to me. And I said, you know what? 820 00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:25,672 I'll take it from here, ladies. - Yeah, I love it. 821 00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:27,807 Let's do it. Let's do it. 822 00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:29,809 This is "Bitch." 823 00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:31,845 [cheers and applause] 824 00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:36,383 - * She's a bitch * - Hey! 825 00:28:36,449 --> 00:28:40,053 - * She's a bitch * - * She's a what? * 826 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,689 * What'd you say? * - * She's a bitch * 827 00:28:42,756 --> 00:28:43,957 [together] * I do my thing * 828 00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:47,260 * I do my, I do my, I do my thing * 829 00:28:47,327 --> 00:28:48,928 * I do my thing * 830 00:28:49,062 --> 00:28:51,164 * I do my, I do my, I do my thing * 831 00:28:51,231 --> 00:28:52,966 - * I've been up since 6:00 a.m. * 832 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:54,834 * Working my A to Z * 833 00:28:54,901 --> 00:28:57,437 * Don't got the energy to fake it * 834 00:28:57,504 --> 00:28:59,072 * Sometimes I need to sleep * 835 00:28:59,139 --> 00:29:00,073 - * She's a * 836 00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:02,108 - * I heard what you said * 837 00:29:02,175 --> 00:29:04,210 * I let it get to me * 838 00:29:04,277 --> 00:29:06,780 * You want me to be everything * 839 00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:08,615 * Except a human being * 840 00:29:08,682 --> 00:29:11,051 [together] * I'm a bitch, I'm a lover * 841 00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:13,386 * I'm a child, I'm a mother * 842 00:29:13,453 --> 00:29:15,655 - * I'm a sinner, I'm a saint * 843 00:29:15,722 --> 00:29:17,724 * I do not feel ashamed * 844 00:29:17,791 --> 00:29:20,193 [together] * I'm a mess, I'm a queen * 845 00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:22,328 - * And everything between * 846 00:29:22,395 --> 00:29:23,596 [together] * You know you wouldn't * 847 00:29:23,663 --> 00:29:26,733 * Want it any other way * 848 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,668 * She's a bitch * 849 00:29:28,735 --> 00:29:32,105 * Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh * 850 00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:33,173 * Bitch * 851 00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:35,909 * Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh * 852 00:29:36,042 --> 00:29:37,677 * She's a * - * Bitch * 853 00:29:37,744 --> 00:29:38,812 [laughs] 854 00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:42,282 [cheers and applause] 855 00:29:42,349 --> 00:29:44,517 - Wait, we've still got a couple songs 856 00:29:44,584 --> 00:29:46,086 with Lizzo to go, y'all. 857 00:29:46,152 --> 00:29:47,520 I love this "Song & Stories" so much. 858 00:29:47,587 --> 00:29:49,055 This next one is a ballad. 859 00:29:49,122 --> 00:29:50,357 We're going to do it after the break. 860 00:29:50,423 --> 00:29:51,358 Stay right here. 861 00:29:51,424 --> 00:29:54,361 [cheers and applause] 862 00:29:54,427 --> 00:29:57,364 [upbeat music] 863 00:29:57,430 --> 00:30:01,468 * * 864 00:30:04,437 --> 00:30:04,604 . 865 00:30:04,671 --> 00:30:07,207 [cheers and applause] 866 00:30:07,574 --> 00:30:11,244 [upbeat music] 867 00:30:11,311 --> 00:30:17,517 - We are back with Lizzo and "Songs & Stories," y'all. 868 00:30:17,584 --> 00:30:20,286 So how do you think, like-- we're artists, right? 869 00:30:20,353 --> 00:30:21,621 So we're ever-changing. - Mm-hmm. 870 00:30:21,688 --> 00:30:22,889 - So how do you think that you've kind of evolved 871 00:30:22,956 --> 00:30:24,758 as an artist with this album? 872 00:30:24,824 --> 00:30:28,862 - Ah, I think that I know myself. 873 00:30:28,928 --> 00:30:31,297 I think that the journey of self 874 00:30:31,364 --> 00:30:33,033 is one that just happens with time. 875 00:30:33,099 --> 00:30:34,701 You never really fully know yourself, 876 00:30:34,768 --> 00:30:36,670 but you can know yourself more than you knew yourself. 877 00:30:36,736 --> 00:30:38,538 - Yeah. - And I think I-- 878 00:30:38,605 --> 00:30:40,740 this is the most knowing of who I am, 879 00:30:40,807 --> 00:30:43,143 and like, honoring that person... 880 00:30:43,209 --> 00:30:44,144 - Yeah. - And protecting her. 881 00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:45,211 - Yeah. 882 00:30:45,278 --> 00:30:46,346 - I never used to protect myself. 883 00:30:46,413 --> 00:30:47,981 I was just very like, ah! 884 00:30:48,048 --> 00:30:49,516 You know, threw myself to the wolves. 885 00:30:49,582 --> 00:30:53,420 And, you know, you get taken advantage of a lot that way. 886 00:30:53,486 --> 00:30:56,623 And so this whole, like, last two years of my life 887 00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:58,458 was just about, like, learning how to protect myself... 888 00:30:58,525 --> 00:30:59,926 - Mm-hmm. 889 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:02,662 - You know, as a woman, as a business person, 890 00:31:02,729 --> 00:31:04,064 as an artist. 891 00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:06,366 And right now with this album, this is all about, 892 00:31:06,433 --> 00:31:07,701 like, protecting my ideas 893 00:31:07,767 --> 00:31:09,836 and getting them out there and fighting for them, 894 00:31:09,903 --> 00:31:12,739 even if it's, you know, off the beaten path, 895 00:31:12,806 --> 00:31:14,474 or off the status quo, or off the plan. 896 00:31:14,541 --> 00:31:15,642 - Mm-hmm. 897 00:31:15,709 --> 00:31:17,143 - I was like, nah, I'm going to shoot 898 00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:19,346 two music videos in New York, like, run and gun. 899 00:31:19,412 --> 00:31:20,714 Like, I'm going to shoot a music video 900 00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:23,083 after the Met in my dress and just run in the streets. 901 00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:24,384 Like... - Wow. 902 00:31:24,451 --> 00:31:25,518 - That's where I'm at right now. 903 00:31:25,585 --> 00:31:26,519 - Yeah. - Yeah. 904 00:31:26,586 --> 00:31:27,520 - I think that's fun, 905 00:31:27,587 --> 00:31:29,322 and I think that it's healthy. 906 00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:31,257 I think the older we get, we realize how boundaries 907 00:31:31,324 --> 00:31:33,126 are not only respectful to ourselves, 908 00:31:33,193 --> 00:31:34,728 but also to others to let them know, like, 909 00:31:34,794 --> 00:31:36,262 hey, I love you, but this is the line, 910 00:31:36,329 --> 00:31:37,697 you know? - Mm-hmm. 911 00:31:37,764 --> 00:31:39,265 - And I think that that's fine. I think that's growth. 912 00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:40,967 - You have to teach people how to treat you, honestly. 913 00:31:41,101 --> 00:31:43,837 - Ooh! - Because if not, they don't. 914 00:31:43,903 --> 00:31:45,939 Hello. 915 00:31:46,006 --> 00:31:48,808 - And also you can't teach someone 916 00:31:48,875 --> 00:31:50,977 how to treat you if they don't know how to treat themselves... 917 00:31:51,111 --> 00:31:52,145 - Whoo! - Well, as well. 918 00:31:52,212 --> 00:31:53,980 - That's a word! - Yeah. 919 00:31:54,114 --> 00:31:55,281 That's a hard... - That's a word! 920 00:31:55,348 --> 00:31:56,449 - That's a hard little lesson... 921 00:31:56,516 --> 00:31:57,784 - Come on, shabba. 922 00:31:57,851 --> 00:31:59,486 - Some of us are still learning. 923 00:31:59,552 --> 00:32:01,054 So you've also had some physical changes-- 924 00:32:01,121 --> 00:32:02,288 me, as well. 925 00:32:02,355 --> 00:32:05,325 So what--why was that important for you? 926 00:32:05,392 --> 00:32:08,428 - Change, I think, is important for me, 927 00:32:08,495 --> 00:32:10,163 because I owe it to myself to change. 928 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:11,564 - Mm-hmm. 929 00:32:11,631 --> 00:32:14,234 - I think when you are a pop star, and they put you-- 930 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,069 they put you in a box. - Yeah. 931 00:32:16,069 --> 00:32:17,470 - And you're never supposed to change. 932 00:32:17,537 --> 00:32:19,439 You're never supposed to get older. 933 00:32:19,506 --> 00:32:22,075 You're never--your body's never supposed to change. 934 00:32:22,108 --> 00:32:23,743 The kind of song you put out's 935 00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:25,545 never supposed to change, the visuals. 936 00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:27,180 And it's like, no, I'm a human being. 937 00:32:27,247 --> 00:32:28,882 I change just like y'all. - Yeah. 938 00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:33,086 - And at this point in my life, this was the change I chose. 939 00:32:33,086 --> 00:32:37,424 I chose to release weight from my body for my own reasons. 940 00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:39,492 - Release weight? - Yeah. 941 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:41,394 - Go ahead with that emotional well-being. 942 00:32:41,461 --> 00:32:44,397 I was like, I've never heard it put like that. 943 00:32:44,464 --> 00:32:46,266 - Yeah. - Release weight. 944 00:32:46,332 --> 00:32:49,269 - Yeah, 'cause I learned, like, the-- 945 00:32:49,336 --> 00:32:52,505 the spirituality behind weight, 946 00:32:52,572 --> 00:32:55,875 and holding weight in your body is like, you know-- 947 00:32:55,942 --> 00:32:57,877 - Body keeps score. - I was being-- 948 00:32:57,944 --> 00:33:00,313 I was holding on to so much. 949 00:33:00,380 --> 00:33:03,850 I was holding on to people, and toxic, like, relationships, 950 00:33:03,917 --> 00:33:06,152 and unhealthy patterns. - Mm-hmm. 951 00:33:06,219 --> 00:33:11,224 - And when I finally released that up here, I released here. 952 00:33:11,291 --> 00:33:13,493 - Yeah. - And but this-- 953 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,095 this followed suit, but this had to lead. 954 00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:16,296 - Mm-hmm. 955 00:33:16,363 --> 00:33:17,464 - Yeah, so that's where I'm at right now. 956 00:33:17,530 --> 00:33:18,498 - That's hard. 957 00:33:18,565 --> 00:33:19,733 - Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. 958 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,502 - It's hard. It's hard. 959 00:33:22,569 --> 00:33:24,170 It's worth it, but it's hard. 960 00:33:24,237 --> 00:33:27,574 - Yeah, it's hard because I have so many people, 961 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,477 and young people, who look to me because-- 962 00:33:30,543 --> 00:33:33,079 and are inspired by me because I look like them, 963 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:35,148 or I looked like them, or--you know what I mean? 964 00:33:35,215 --> 00:33:36,349 - But I think that's the healthiest thing 965 00:33:36,416 --> 00:33:37,550 that you can tell them. 966 00:33:37,617 --> 00:33:39,319 Like, I want to be the healthiest version 967 00:33:39,386 --> 00:33:41,121 of me right now, and this is what this looks like, 968 00:33:41,187 --> 00:33:43,356 and it looks different at a different time. 969 00:33:43,423 --> 00:33:45,825 I think holding people up on a pedestal of, like, 970 00:33:45,892 --> 00:33:48,194 having to maintain something-- 971 00:33:48,261 --> 00:33:49,763 we can't maintain possibly the same thing, 972 00:33:49,829 --> 00:33:51,097 or we're never going to grow. - Yeah. 973 00:33:51,131 --> 00:33:52,532 - Like, we're never going to become 974 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:53,933 a better version of ourselves. 975 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,769 And I think that's what we all want until the day... 976 00:33:55,835 --> 00:33:56,903 - Right. - We die, you know? 977 00:33:56,970 --> 00:33:58,171 - Yeah. 978 00:33:58,238 --> 00:33:59,305 - It's constantly be evolving and pushing 979 00:33:59,372 --> 00:34:00,507 yourself and challenging yourself 980 00:34:00,573 --> 00:34:03,043 and figuring out, how can I do better? 981 00:34:03,043 --> 00:34:05,078 How can I emotionally do something different 982 00:34:05,145 --> 00:34:07,514 than what I have been doing? - Yeah. 983 00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:09,049 - But anyway, I want to talk about this, too, 984 00:34:09,082 --> 00:34:10,817 because I'm not kidding. 985 00:34:10,884 --> 00:34:13,153 There's a ballad, "Don't Make Me Love You." 986 00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:15,555 - Whoo. And it's all about that. 987 00:34:15,622 --> 00:34:17,757 - It's so good. - Thank you. 988 00:34:17,824 --> 00:34:19,626 - It's possibly my favorite song you've ever released. 989 00:34:19,693 --> 00:34:20,827 - Aw. - I love it so much. 990 00:34:20,894 --> 00:34:21,961 It's such a good song. - Thank you. 991 00:34:22,062 --> 00:34:23,196 - So where did this come from? 992 00:34:23,263 --> 00:34:24,964 - This song, when you listen to it, 993 00:34:25,065 --> 00:34:26,633 you think I'm talking about a man. 994 00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:28,335 I'm not. I am-- 995 00:34:28,401 --> 00:34:29,969 this is about my relationship with the public. 996 00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:32,772 And it's just like, you know, 997 00:34:32,839 --> 00:34:35,942 don't make me love you if you're just 998 00:34:36,076 --> 00:34:37,744 going to drag me the next day. 999 00:34:37,811 --> 00:34:40,180 Don't build this false sense of security and community 1000 00:34:40,246 --> 00:34:42,248 if you're just going to throw me away. 1001 00:34:42,315 --> 00:34:44,250 And it's like, it's so toxic. 1002 00:34:44,317 --> 00:34:47,520 So just tonight, you either love me or leave me, 1003 00:34:47,587 --> 00:34:48,888 because I'm not-- don't-- 1004 00:34:48,955 --> 00:34:50,290 I'm not wasting my time no more trying 1005 00:34:50,357 --> 00:34:51,491 to gain nobody's approval. 1006 00:34:51,558 --> 00:34:53,093 - And don't say it unless you mean it. 1007 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,394 [cheers and applause] 1008 00:34:54,461 --> 00:34:56,329 Yeah, well, let's do it. I'm so excited. 1009 00:34:56,396 --> 00:34:57,564 - Oh! 1010 00:34:57,630 --> 00:34:59,366 - Here is "Don't Make Me Love You." 1011 00:34:59,432 --> 00:35:02,369 ["Don't Make Me Love You"] 1012 00:35:02,435 --> 00:35:05,672 * * 1013 00:35:05,739 --> 00:35:07,907 - OK. 1014 00:35:08,041 --> 00:35:10,443 * Oh, here we go * 1015 00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:11,711 - Whoo! 1016 00:35:11,778 --> 00:35:13,747 - * You're playing with my feelings * 1017 00:35:13,813 --> 00:35:15,882 * Playing with my soul * 1018 00:35:15,949 --> 00:35:19,219 * But I can't let you go * 1019 00:35:19,285 --> 00:35:24,624 * No, I just want to be wanted and feel beautiful * 1020 00:35:24,691 --> 00:35:26,893 * You better know what you want * 1021 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,728 [together] * Whoa * 1022 00:35:28,795 --> 00:35:35,068 * And if it ain't me, don't make me love you * 1023 00:35:35,101 --> 00:35:39,439 * Don't make my heart beat out of my chest * 1024 00:35:39,506 --> 00:35:43,877 * Don't make me want you * 1025 00:35:43,943 --> 00:35:46,880 * If you just want something else * 1026 00:35:46,946 --> 00:35:51,918 * Don't you quit me, baby * 1027 00:35:51,985 --> 00:35:55,755 * If this ain't it, just tell me tonight * 1028 00:35:55,822 --> 00:36:00,593 * Don't make me love you * 1029 00:36:00,660 --> 00:36:04,130 * If you just gonna change your mind * 1030 00:36:04,197 --> 00:36:07,033 * Don't waste my time * 1031 00:36:07,033 --> 00:36:09,035 - Oh, I love that song! 1032 00:36:09,069 --> 00:36:12,305 [cheers and applause] 1033 00:36:12,372 --> 00:36:16,710 I'm telling you what, I'm going to be dancing around my house, 1034 00:36:16,776 --> 00:36:18,044 like, all the time to this song. 1035 00:36:18,044 --> 00:36:19,379 I love it so much. 1036 00:36:19,446 --> 00:36:20,847 One more song to go, y'all. 1037 00:36:20,914 --> 00:36:23,049 And we are going to change it up for this one. 1038 00:36:23,116 --> 00:36:24,217 Stay here. 1039 00:36:24,284 --> 00:36:26,052 More "Songs & Stories" with Lizzo next. 1040 00:36:26,052 --> 00:36:27,387 - Oh, my God. 1041 00:36:27,454 --> 00:36:30,390 [cheers and applause] 1042 00:36:30,457 --> 00:36:33,393 [upbeat music] 1043 00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:36,663 * * 1044 00:36:39,466 --> 00:36:39,632 . 1045 00:36:39,699 --> 00:36:42,235 [cheers and applause] 1046 00:36:42,602 --> 00:36:45,338 [upbeat music] 1047 00:36:45,405 --> 00:36:47,173 - Welcome back. 1048 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,976 Thank you for joining us for "Songs & Stories" with Lizzo. 1049 00:36:50,076 --> 00:36:52,946 So you wanted "Still Bad" to be a therapeutic song, right? 1050 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:54,647 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1051 00:36:54,714 --> 00:36:56,549 - That is the same-- 1052 00:36:56,616 --> 00:36:58,651 you hear it, and you think I'm talking about a man, 1053 00:36:58,718 --> 00:37:00,220 but I'm talking about the world. 1054 00:37:00,286 --> 00:37:01,921 Like, I don't need him. 1055 00:37:02,022 --> 00:37:03,456 It was really I don't need this. 1056 00:37:03,523 --> 00:37:05,492 I need a drink. You know what I mean? 1057 00:37:05,558 --> 00:37:07,193 - Yeah. - That's really the sentiment. 1058 00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:08,795 But-- - Everybody understands that. 1059 00:37:08,862 --> 00:37:10,263 When have you not gone home and been like, 1060 00:37:10,330 --> 00:37:12,132 today has been [bleep]? Like, you know what I'm saying? 1061 00:37:12,198 --> 00:37:14,034 - Yeah, but I have to always, 1062 00:37:14,067 --> 00:37:15,268 like, you know, as a songwriter, 1063 00:37:15,335 --> 00:37:17,237 it's like, how can we make this about love? 1064 00:37:17,303 --> 00:37:19,339 Because love is all there is. - Mm-hmm. 1065 00:37:19,406 --> 00:37:21,074 - So there is the him aspect. 1066 00:37:21,141 --> 00:37:23,043 You know, it's always fun to kind of-- 1067 00:37:23,076 --> 00:37:26,112 truth hurts a man. - Yeah. Yeah. 1068 00:37:26,179 --> 00:37:28,381 - But it's a breakup song with the world. 1069 00:37:28,448 --> 00:37:31,317 It's like, wow, I'm about to throw my phone away. 1070 00:37:31,384 --> 00:37:34,554 I can't let my girls know this has been messing with my day, 1071 00:37:34,621 --> 00:37:36,056 you know? 1072 00:37:36,056 --> 00:37:40,193 And it's about kind of detaching from the phone 1073 00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:42,796 and the digital space and whatever mess 1074 00:37:42,862 --> 00:37:45,265 could be going on around you. 1075 00:37:45,331 --> 00:37:46,533 I don't even need to know about it. 1076 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:47,901 My phone dead. - Yes. 1077 00:37:47,967 --> 00:37:49,703 - All I need to know about is my girls are here, 1078 00:37:49,769 --> 00:37:51,905 the drinks are cold, cold as snow. 1079 00:37:51,971 --> 00:37:52,972 You don't like-- [laughs] 1080 00:37:53,073 --> 00:37:54,107 you don't like-- - I don't like cold. 1081 00:37:54,174 --> 00:37:55,408 - Do you--you like your alcohol cold? 1082 00:37:55,475 --> 00:37:56,776 - I don't. 1083 00:37:56,843 --> 00:37:57,977 If I drink alcohol, I am sipping on some tequila, 1084 00:37:58,078 --> 00:37:59,079 and that's it. 1085 00:37:59,112 --> 00:38:00,180 - But is it ice-cold, or is it-- 1086 00:38:00,246 --> 00:38:01,681 - It's straight. Yeah, that's right. 1087 00:38:01,748 --> 00:38:02,682 It's-- - Oh, wow. 1088 00:38:02,749 --> 00:38:03,817 - It's neat. It's neat, yeah. 1089 00:38:03,883 --> 00:38:05,018 - Wow. - Yeah, no. 1090 00:38:05,051 --> 00:38:06,653 - We'll talk later. - Yeah. 1091 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,221 But it can be-- it can be hot or cold. 1092 00:38:08,288 --> 00:38:09,322 - Yeah. 1093 00:38:09,389 --> 00:38:10,857 - Yeah, I don't really drink a ton. 1094 00:38:10,924 --> 00:38:12,559 But when I do, yeah, I like to sip on tequila. 1095 00:38:12,625 --> 00:38:14,728 - I do too. That's my drink of choice. 1096 00:38:14,794 --> 00:38:16,896 A chaquila, champagne and tequila together. 1097 00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:19,032 - Oh, that sounds like a-- 1098 00:38:19,099 --> 00:38:21,034 - That'll take you there! 1099 00:38:21,067 --> 00:38:23,370 - That sounds like a headache. - [imitates truck horn] 1100 00:38:23,436 --> 00:38:25,071 One way ticket to on the ground. 1101 00:38:25,138 --> 00:38:26,740 - I can't. I will get a headache. 1102 00:38:26,806 --> 00:38:28,074 I'm old. 1103 00:38:28,141 --> 00:38:29,809 - But yes, that's what's "Still Bad" is about. 1104 00:38:29,876 --> 00:38:31,511 It is my breakup song with the world. 1105 00:38:31,578 --> 00:38:33,179 And I put it early in the album 1106 00:38:33,246 --> 00:38:34,280 because, like I told you, 1107 00:38:34,347 --> 00:38:35,548 it's chronological. - Yeah. 1108 00:38:35,615 --> 00:38:37,050 - "Don't Make Me Love You" and "Still Bad" 1109 00:38:37,117 --> 00:38:39,052 are next to each other because I'm having this 1110 00:38:39,085 --> 00:38:41,621 complicated relationship with the world. 1111 00:38:41,688 --> 00:38:43,890 And by the end, I get that "you up?" 1112 00:38:43,957 --> 00:38:45,191 text from the world, and I'm like, 1113 00:38:45,258 --> 00:38:46,826 maybe I'll-- maybe I'll respond. 1114 00:38:46,893 --> 00:38:48,862 [laughter] 1115 00:38:48,928 --> 00:38:50,864 - Well, along with my whole band, 1116 00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:52,499 Lizzo and I took a moment to record 1117 00:38:52,565 --> 00:38:55,268 a live version of "Still Bad." Here's that performance. 1118 00:38:55,335 --> 00:38:57,237 [cheers and applause] 1119 00:38:57,303 --> 00:39:00,240 ["Still Bad"] 1120 00:39:00,306 --> 00:39:02,876 * * 1121 00:39:03,009 --> 00:39:04,144 - Hey! 1122 00:39:04,210 --> 00:39:08,014 - * I'm about to throw my phone away * 1123 00:39:08,014 --> 00:39:11,851 * Can't let my girls know bro been [...] with my day * 1124 00:39:11,918 --> 00:39:15,221 * He act like he can't be replaced * 1125 00:39:15,288 --> 00:39:16,489 * OK * 1126 00:39:16,556 --> 00:39:18,725 * Well, he gon' hate to see me leave * 1127 00:39:18,792 --> 00:39:21,628 * But love to watch me walk away * 1128 00:39:21,695 --> 00:39:23,563 [together] * He knocked me down * 1129 00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:27,734 * I thought I'd never get my fine ass off the ground * 1130 00:39:27,801 --> 00:39:29,903 * Oh * 1131 00:39:30,036 --> 00:39:32,238 * But I'm ready now * 1132 00:39:32,305 --> 00:39:33,707 * Feeling crazy lately * 1133 00:39:33,773 --> 00:39:37,210 * Baby, let's go out * 1134 00:39:37,277 --> 00:39:41,314 * I don't need him, I need a drink * 1135 00:39:41,381 --> 00:39:45,251 * Let's turn this pain into some champagne, baby * 1136 00:39:45,318 --> 00:39:47,921 * Like cheers, bitch, it's been a day * 1137 00:39:48,054 --> 00:39:49,889 - [laughs] 1138 00:39:49,956 --> 00:39:51,091 [together] * Might take that last flight * 1139 00:39:51,157 --> 00:39:53,159 * Out to Vegas, what y'all think? * 1140 00:39:53,226 --> 00:39:54,294 - * OK * 1141 00:39:54,361 --> 00:39:55,295 [together] * I don't need him * 1142 00:39:55,362 --> 00:39:57,597 * I need a drink * 1143 00:39:57,664 --> 00:40:02,335 * I don't know why life feels so [...] up lately * 1144 00:40:02,402 --> 00:40:07,574 * But after everything, I'm still surviving * 1145 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,610 * And I'm still bad, baby * 1146 00:40:10,677 --> 00:40:12,946 * So, bitch, I can't complain * 1147 00:40:13,013 --> 00:40:14,514 - * Period * 1148 00:40:14,581 --> 00:40:17,450 * I'm still bad, baby * 1149 00:40:17,517 --> 00:40:18,551 Tell 'em, Kelly. 1150 00:40:18,618 --> 00:40:22,822 - * Plot twist, I'm doing great * 1151 00:40:22,889 --> 00:40:25,959 * I make that been-through [...] look sexy anyway * 1152 00:40:26,026 --> 00:40:27,961 - Yeah, girl! - * I don't need him * 1153 00:40:28,028 --> 00:40:29,529 * I need to throw ass * 1154 00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:30,530 * Been a minute * 1155 00:40:30,597 --> 00:40:32,766 * Break fast with my bitches * 1156 00:40:32,832 --> 00:40:35,035 * Real love, real life * 1157 00:40:35,101 --> 00:40:36,236 * Damn, I've been missing * 1158 00:40:36,302 --> 00:40:38,171 - * He knocked me down * 1159 00:40:38,238 --> 00:40:39,739 [together] * I thought I'd never get * 1160 00:40:39,806 --> 00:40:42,375 * My fine ass off the ground * 1161 00:40:42,442 --> 00:40:44,210 * Oh * 1162 00:40:44,277 --> 00:40:46,713 * But I'm ready now * 1163 00:40:46,780 --> 00:40:48,181 * Feeling crazy lately * 1164 00:40:48,248 --> 00:40:51,618 * Baby, let's go out * 1165 00:40:51,685 --> 00:40:53,019 - * I don't need him * 1166 00:40:53,086 --> 00:40:55,689 * I need a drink * 1167 00:40:55,755 --> 00:40:56,956 [together] * Let's turn this pain * 1168 00:40:57,023 --> 00:41:00,160 * Into some champagne, baby * 1169 00:41:00,226 --> 00:41:04,064 * Like cheers, bitch, it's been a day * 1170 00:41:04,097 --> 00:41:06,266 * Might take that last flight out to Vegas * 1171 00:41:06,332 --> 00:41:08,168 * What y'all think? * 1172 00:41:08,234 --> 00:41:12,138 * I don't need him, I need a drink * 1173 00:41:12,205 --> 00:41:16,910 * I don't know why life's been so [...] up lately * 1174 00:41:16,976 --> 00:41:20,780 * But after everything * 1175 00:41:20,847 --> 00:41:25,285 * I'm still surviving, and I'm still bad, baby * 1176 00:41:25,352 --> 00:41:28,088 * So, bitch, I can't complain * 1177 00:41:28,088 --> 00:41:31,891 [cheers and applause] 1178 00:41:31,958 --> 00:41:34,828 - Give it up one more time for Lizzo! 1179 00:41:34,894 --> 00:41:36,763 [cheers and applause] 1180 00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:38,898 Thank you so much for joining us for "Songs & Stories." 1181 00:41:38,965 --> 00:41:41,801 Have a great evening, y'all. And if it's not, change it. 1182 00:41:41,868 --> 00:41:44,804 [upbeat music] 1183 00:41:44,871 --> 00:41:51,911 * *