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[ominous music playing]
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[narrator] As teenagers,
they bonded over a desire
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to be someone else for a night.
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[laughter]
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But reality hits hard when one
of them is found dead.
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As rumors and gossip take
over the narrative...
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[sirens wail]
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...the surviving friends start
to question everything
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and everyone...
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[man groans]
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...they thought they knew.
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[main theme playing]
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[Lydia] I gotta say that
I'm slightly uncomfortable
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about going to the park.
-[Mark] Yeah.
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[Lydia] I've never been
to the park before.
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There's a lot of people
who don't even know this part
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of my life.
-Yeah.
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A ton of people.
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This event really kicked me
in the ass because it sent
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this shockwave of like,
"No, it was never safe.
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You're lucky you're alive."
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-[Lydia] Is that it?
-[Mark] That's it.
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That's the tunnel.
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Feels weird being this close.
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I've never been
this close since.
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It looks exactly like
every other train tunnel
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in the world.
-Yeah.
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-Yeah.
-But for us,
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it's completely unique.
-Right?
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[Mark] Yeah.
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This is the last thing
he saw, right?
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[man echoing] Help!
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["Imagination" by
Glitter Symphony playing]
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♪ Kick the ball party ♪
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♪ On a [indistinct] night ♪
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♪ Everyone's a no one ♪
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♪ Not much day and light ♪
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♪ You're waiting, waiting
for someone who never comes ♪
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♪ You have to be that too ♪
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[Mark] Ron and I met
in Indian Guides, which was
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an alternative
to the Boy Scouts.
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[playful music playing]
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[children cheering and playing]
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I was in first grade,
and he was coming
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out of kindergarten.
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We really found a connection
because we were both,
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you know, we were both
a little weirdo...kids.
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Very Gen-X, these sort of feral
kids that were free to run
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around in a neighborhood
that was pretty safe.
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We would go down into
the sewers, the storm drains,
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with our skateboards
and a flashlight,
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and cruise on down.
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It was like "Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles."
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Going...
[makes swooshing sounds]
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Right, you know,
through this tube.
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And we came home when
the streetlights came on.
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[children cheering]
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[Lydia]
In the 80's, when you were 13
and you wanted to make out with
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a boy or drink a really
tragic wine cooler,
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you would go to
the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
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That's when we became friends.
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Ron, Mark, Duncan, Lindsey,
all of them.
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People treated it like going
to a club on a Saturday night.
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It was awesome.
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You were just going to see
a movie, so, like,
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how dangerous could that be?
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-[rock music playing]
-[people cheering]
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[Lindsey] When I was 14 years
old, we all started dressing up
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like the characters.
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We would get to the show
probably, like, two hours
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beforehand and hang around
in the parking lot,
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smoking cigarettes,
blasting music.
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When you're that age,
like early teens, mid-teens,
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your friends are the most
important thing in the world.
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I can't stress enough how happy
that time was for all of us.
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It just seemed like
such innocent fun.
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[rock music ends]
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I was in college up
in Santa Barbara,
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and Ron moved in
with Duncan,
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{\an8}living in the Valley.
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{\an8}And then Nathan moved in,
and he was a friend of Duncan's.
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{\an8}Duncan definitely replaced
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the Mark-factor for Ron.
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Ron finally sort of found
himself and his confidence.
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And he got accepted to UCLA,
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and he started going
to the Renaissance Faire.
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And there's a whole culture of
people at the Renaissance Faire
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that he got to know.
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[horse neighs]
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When I met Ron and Duncan
for the first time.
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I was living with my friend
Debra, and we were all doing
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the Renaissance Faire together.
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She had a dress in Elizabethan
costumes, so it would just be
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like this fantasy.
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Of course, being 20-something,
it would be a drink fest.
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[folkloric music playing]
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[Lydia] It's not my bag.
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I was, like, going to see
punk rock shows.
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[rock music playing]
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And then there was people with
swords saying things like,
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"Thou!"
I was like, "I love you --
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[kiss smacks] -- bye."
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One night, there was a concert
that I was going to
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with a bunch of cool people
that I had met in Santa Barbara.
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And I called Ron and asked
if he wanted to come up.
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And he said he had plans.
It was the summer solstice.
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And he said he was gonna be
doing something
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to celebrate that.
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Ron was spiritual that way.
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[Lydia] I was supposed to be
there that night,
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but I canceled on Ron.
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And I always wonder what would
have happened if I was...
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[eerie music playing]
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[Patty]
About 11:30 on Thursday night,
my dad called me...
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[phone rings]
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...and told me that somebody
had called him and said,
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"Mr. Baker, we have your son.
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Unless you give us $100,000,
he will die."
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[phone rings]
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We were hoping it was
just a prank,
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but he called and checked...
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[phone rings]
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...with Ron's roommates,
Duncan and Nathan,
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at the apartment.
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They told him that Ron had been
dropped off at a bus stop on
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Van Nuys Boulevard and took
the bus over the hill to UCLA,
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so we got a little concerned.
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[ominous music playing]
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I got a call at work...
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[phone rings]
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[Mark]
...which was very unusual,
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and it was Ron's sister Patty
trying to find Ron
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because he didn't come home.
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I was getting phone calls
when I was at work.
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"What do you mean
Ron's missing?"
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"Well, Ron was supposed
to go to UCLA.
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He took a bus to UCLA
and he never made it."
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I'm like, "What?
That's weird."
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Nobody could understand
why some random person
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would kidnap Ron.
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But we knew that it couldn't be
anybody we know because anybody
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who knows Ron knows
they're not rich people.
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I went to our family home just
to wait and see what happened.
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And then there was another
phone call that came through.
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[phone rings]
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[Patty]
"Mr. Baker, we have your son.
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Unless you give us $100,000
by 5 o'clock, he will die."
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[ominous music playing]
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[Patty] And then they hung up.
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And at that point, my dad
called the police.
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[911 operator]
911, what is your emergency?
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[Patty]
They put a tap on the phone.
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But the third call never came.
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What was really odd about
the ransom calls is they never
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gave information about
where to bring the money,
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what the meetup was,
the usual kind of story
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when you're kidnapping a person.
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[ominous music playing]
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Sunday, I was working late,
and when I got back, I had
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a message to call my parents.
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So I called them,
and that's when they told me...
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Ron's body had been found.
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[ominous music intensifies]
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[Adriane] Ron was found in
the Chatsworth train tunnel
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a couple days before.
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But we had heard they couldn't
identify him at first
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'cause it looked like
he'd been hit by a train.
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[train whistles]
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But he wasn't killed
by a train.
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He'd been stabbed,
and his throat
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had been slashed.
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[unnerving chords pounding]
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We didn't even know
what to think.
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It was shocking.
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We were just like,
"What do you mean, Ron's dead?
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"This can't be real.
I mean, not Ron.
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"Who would want to do
this to Ron?
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You know, Ron was a nice guy."
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My first thought was,
is if this could happen to Ron,
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it could happen
to any one of us.
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[ominous music intensified]
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'Cause I was supposed to
go with him that night...
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would it have happened
to me too?
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It's terrifying.
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And that became the circus
that we all lived in.
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[sirens wailing]
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There's always a distrust
that somebody is not
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who they say they are.
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And that at any point,
it could all be taken away.
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Forever.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[man screams]
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After I found out
he was gone, um...
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and I looked up at the stars,
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like Ron and I used to do,
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and I looked at a star.
I think it was Sirius.
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It was like one star that
I knew, and I told him
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to meet me there.
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I told him to find me there.
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[sad music playing]
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And I imagined us...
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...you know,
seeing each other again.
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[emotional, shaky breathing]
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Ron was open to
the possibility of things
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that couldn't be proven.
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He loved the idea of connecting
with the Universe to do
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some kind of spiritual ritual
to celebrate the solstice.
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A couple days before
the summer solstice, I know
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he was trying to get,
like, people to take him
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up the Chatsworth Tunnel.
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It's also known
as the Manson Tunnel.
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Because the Manson family used
to be up around that area.
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But we all said "No."
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Because a year prior,
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a group of us -- Duncan,
Nathan, and Ron,
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and our friend Debra --
we went up there,
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midnight, one night,
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and we encountered, like,
some other weird people
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in the tunnels,
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and the whole place had like
a bad vibe, like we are not
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meant to be here.
But Ron had always liked it.
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Ron always wanted to go back.
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[ominous music intensifies]
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[man] Mr. Baker's body was
discovered in the railroad
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tunnel above Chatsworth Park.
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Mr. Baker was stabbed
numerous times
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and had his throat slit.
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The circumstances of his death
and the things that we went
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through, it's still traumatic.
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I got a phone call -- it was
a call I would never forget.
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[phone rings]
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They had found Ron,
and he was murdered.
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And I screamed.
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[scream echoing]
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And I was like,
"Are you kidding me?
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Are you kidding me?"
You know?
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I was getting calls
from my friends.
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There was, like, a ransom call.
Nobody knew where Ron was.
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And then, like, all of a sudden,
by Monday, he was dead.
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It was just -- it was
so rapid fire.
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We were like, "What, what is
going on here"?
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When the detectives started
looking at Ron's murder,
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they went over
to the apartment,
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and when they looked through
Ron's room,
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they found a makeshift altar
that had a big candle
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in the shape of a pentagram,
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and then, his roommates,
Nathan and Duncan,
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told the detectives
that Ron went to UCLA
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to go to a Mystic Circle meeting
that night.
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We had heard that Ron's body
was decimated with,
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like, symbols,
pentagrams, and they thought it
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was, like, a ritual killing.
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So that's where the police
were going.
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Then, this whole Mystic Circle
came up, and it became that Ron
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got into black magic.
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Channel 4 news has learned
he was involved in occult
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organizations both on and off
the UCLA campus.
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[Lydia] At the beginning,
it was just our story.
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And then the news got
a hold of it,
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and then it became
everybody's story.
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[reporter #1] This next story,
a bright, God-fearing kid,
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who went off to school at UCLA
in Los Angeles --
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then he was found murdered.
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And as our Robyn Dorian
reports, a macabre secret
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double life was revealed.
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That was during the time
of Satanic Panic --
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you have that Tipper Gore
effect of music and life,
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There's songs about thrill
killing, sadomasochism.
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[Lydia] Where people were scared
of Ozzy Osbourne and everybody's
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you know, a Satanist
and Satanists are coming after
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your children, and there was
this whole Satanic Panic that
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happened in the 80's
and early 90's in,
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I don't know if it happened
all over the world,
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but certainly happened
in Los Angeles.
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[reporter #2] Some young people
are attracted to the occult by
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seemingly harmless pleasures,
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such as fantasy role-playing
games like "Dungeons & Dragons."
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[Lydia]
The news had seen some pictures
of Ron in a Wicca group,
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and it just decided
that Ron was a Satanist.
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[Debra]
Ron was part of something
called the Mystic Circle.
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But the fact that Ron
was into Wicca
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has no relevance to his murder.
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Ron wasn't Satanic.
He was very much ritual-based.
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But people tried to
sensationalize that.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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We had met with
the detectives, and their line
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of questioning was
all about the occult.
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Asking us what we knew
about Wicca and the occult.
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They were very interested
in the fact -- they wanted
to know
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if any of us carried knives,
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which we did
because of Renaissance Faire.
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And then I remember them
saying, "So do you use
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"these knives
to kill animals with?"
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"Do you, like,
sacrifice animals?"
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You know, we had, like,
four cats walking
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around the apartment.
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We're like,
"Where are you going with this?"
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Me and Lydia, we thought maybe
there was some random crazy
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person who killed him.
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Ron was very trusting.
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So it really
could've been anyone.
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The mystery, the big question
that we were trying to figure
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out was, you know,
what happened to him after
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he got dropped off
at the bus stop?
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Like, between there and him
being murdered, what happened?
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We thought, "Well,
maybe he didn't go to UCLA.
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Instead, he took a bus
up to the train tunnel."
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There were some weird groups up
there when they had killed him.
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[man screams]
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Me and Adriane and Duncan
and Nathan talked about,
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you know, what
are the possibilities?
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Did he have other friends
that he went up there with?
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Maybe I'm naive, and people are
going up to the train tunnel
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doing occult stuff.
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Maybe somebody's after
all of our friends.
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You know...
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Who knows what's going on.
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Nobody knew what happened.
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And everybody started looking
at each other
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a little differently.
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It wasn't the same afterwards.
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It was hard to trust
anybody else.
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And it wasn't too long before
I began to wonder if it was
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someone from within
our friend group.
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[ominous music intensifies]
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[narrator]
The discovery of 21-year-old
Ron Baker's mutilated body is
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a horror his family and friends
struggle to comprehend.
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[sirens wail]
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For them, this must have been
the actions of an unknown evil,
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while police are going public
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with a much more
sinister cause.
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Police fear 21-year-old
Ronald Baker, a UCLA student,
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was stabbed to death
by a Satanic cult.
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[Ron's dad]
There's Ron and Patty.
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[Ron] Howdy, dad.
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[Patty] Ron was a great
little brother.
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Ron was always really funny.
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He had a really great sense
of humor.
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We would play games
around the house.
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We were involved in the church.
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My parents were charter
members, which is why I think
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my parents and I thought it was
ridiculous that Ron's murder
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would be tied to the occult.
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We even talked to
the detectives about it,
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and we were kind of upset
that it was on TV.
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[Det. Frank]
Many people think that
because of the way Mr. Baker
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was murdered, it could've been
a revenge-type killing
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{\an8}where he betrayed
a certain cult.
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{\an8}Other people went as far as
to suggest that it may possibly
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{\an8}be a sacrifice.
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But the detectives told
my parents and I that they were
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not really leaning that way.
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They really didn't feel that it
was occult-related.
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But any media is good media at
this time, because if the story
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is out there, people that saw
him at the park that night
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might come forward and say
what really happened.
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So we were all just
hoping for that.
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[organ playing]
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[Lydia] I remember that...
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I didn't have anything to wear.
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I didn't have
any black clothes,
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like, that were nice.
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I remember Duncan
was a pallbearer.
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{\an8}I remember being upset
that I wasn't.
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{\an8}I had never been to a funeral.
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And Ron's dad was there,
and he started crying,
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and I cried too.
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Like, that was the first time
I really cried.
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I gave a eulogy,
and Duncan did too.
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{\an8}Duncan gave a eulogy as well.
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When...Duncan went up
and gave a eulogy,
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I thought to myself,
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"I'm his best friend."
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Like, you only get one.
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You don't get two
best friends.
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You're not his best friend.
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{\an8}I was a little off put
by that, but...
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And then, after that, I think we
all, you know, after the funeral
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was done, we all went over
to Lydia's and commiserated.
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It was one of the most
emotional days of my life.
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[sad music playing]
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[Lydia]
It was a terrifying time.
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I mean, even after that,
we were all like,
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"Who would kidnap Ron?"
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I remember thinking,
"Well, where's Nathan?"
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00:21:46,596 --> 00:21:48,598
-Yeah, yeah.
-And Nathan had bailed.
He was gone.
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[Lydia]
I remember after the funeral,
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Duncan said, "I can't keep
going back to that apartment.
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"Now that Ron's dead,
it's too upsetting.
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00:21:56,231 --> 00:21:57,190
"I can't keep going back.
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We have to let
the apartment go."
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-Yeah.
-We were terrified
around that time,
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00:22:01,945 --> 00:22:04,823
but Duncan was in a panic.
-That's right.
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00:22:04,948 --> 00:22:06,158
That's right.
He was afraid.
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00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:07,242
-Yeah.
-And that's when Duncan
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moved in with us.
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My parents felt really bad
for him.
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And they said,
"We should take care of him.
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He should stay here."
-Yeah.
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Duncan was staying
with my family, and his...
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00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:22,841
moods changed.
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00:22:22,924 --> 00:22:25,969
More solemn, more angry,
more paranoid.
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00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:30,724
He started saying
peculiar things.
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00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:33,226
Things like, "I think I was
followed today.
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00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:36,021
"Did you see a car outside?
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00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:39,024
"Did you see this car, blue car,
red car, whatever,
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00:22:39,149 --> 00:22:40,776
this make, model?
Did you see this?"
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00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:45,197
This is when we all started to
get worried that he was losing
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touch with reality.
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00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:48,367
[suspenseful music playing]
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00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:53,246
He was increasingly paranoid
about stuff.
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Maybe they were after him,
and they got Ron by mistake.
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[Lydia] Then one day,
he didn't come home.
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He kinda came home
on the regular.
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He'd say, like, "See you around
10, see you around 11."
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And he didn't come home.
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00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:15,519
-And then the phone rang.
-[phone rings]
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[Lydia] It was about
1:00 or 2:00 in the morning.
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I was asleep.
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00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:20,816
When the phone rang too long,
the answering machine
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would pick it up.
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00:23:22,567 --> 00:23:25,028
But I picked up the phone,
and it was Duncan.
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He said,
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"Lydia, they got me."
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And I was like,
"What? Who's got you"?
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{\an8}And he said,
"The guys who killed Ron,
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{\an8}they got me."
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00:23:45,298 --> 00:23:46,550
[Lydia] I hung up the phone,
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and I was like, "They got Ron,
and then they got Duncan."
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00:23:52,472 --> 00:23:53,515
Nobody knew who was next.
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00:23:53,598 --> 00:23:55,600
[eerie music playing]
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00:24:04,192 --> 00:24:08,363
Duncan, he's bigger than life.
He's very charismatic.
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00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:12,075
He's kind of good-looking.
He's fun to be around.
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00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,661
He had a great imagination.
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00:24:14,786 --> 00:24:18,874
Duncan came up with a lot of
crazy stories, and he always
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00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:21,960
had something interesting
to talk about.
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00:24:22,085 --> 00:24:26,047
You knew that he was a lot.
You knew he told stories.
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00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,008
You always meet someone
who's like,
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00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,593
"He caught the biggest fish."
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00:24:29,676 --> 00:24:32,262
[eerie music playing]
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00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:35,640
Duncan and Ron definitely were
like yin to yang.
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00:24:35,765 --> 00:24:37,434
Duncan had more
of the personality.
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00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:39,644
He was more outgoing,
and Ron was more quiet,
444
00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:43,899
so it always seemed like Ron was
kinda along for the ride.
445
00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:45,775
It's the little brother
syndrome, so he's trying
446
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:47,736
to keep up with his, like,
cooler friend.
447
00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:54,951
He said that he had been
in the Marines
448
00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:59,539
and that he had been
discharged, but not really.
449
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:04,294
They said he was going on
secret missions.
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00:25:04,377 --> 00:25:07,839
He would disappear for a few
days and say, "Oh, well, I had
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to go to Africa
and, you know, kill a man."
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00:25:13,803 --> 00:25:17,682
I said, "Oh, so they flew you,
this one guy, overseas."
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00:25:17,766 --> 00:25:20,936
Like, within a course of 48
hours, you got flown overseas,
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did whatever you did,
and then you got flown back?
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00:25:23,313 --> 00:25:24,356
Whatever, Duncan.
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00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,694
You knew it wasn't true,
but it was just part
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00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:31,071
of who he was, you know?
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00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:40,288
After Ron's death, he moved in
with Lydia or Lydia's family.
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00:25:40,372 --> 00:25:43,959
And we barely talked to Duncan
at that time.
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00:25:45,043 --> 00:25:49,673
And the next thing we know,
somehow, you know,
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he gets kidnapped.
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00:25:51,341 --> 00:25:52,968
[phone rings]
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After I hung up the phone,
I was completely out
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00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:07,899
of my mind, scared.
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00:26:07,983 --> 00:26:09,609
And my stepmother said,
"We have to call
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00:26:09,734 --> 00:26:11,319
the police right now."
467
00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:12,404
[sirens wail]
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00:26:14,489 --> 00:26:16,741
Then Detective Garcia
showed up, and I told him
469
00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:20,370
the whole story.
And he asked for the tape.
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00:26:20,453 --> 00:26:21,663
[phone line bleeps]
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00:26:21,746 --> 00:26:23,582
[Lydia] And then he said,
"We'll be in touch.
472
00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:24,916
We'll be in contact."
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00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,836
[Patty] I was actually nervous
for myself.
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00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:31,715
Like, who are these people?
Why did they take Duncan?
475
00:26:31,798 --> 00:26:34,884
Could they come after me next?
Like, what's going on?
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00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:39,180
My parents were so worried.
477
00:26:39,264 --> 00:26:41,641
And my dad got a gun,
and we had a baseball bat.
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00:26:42,892 --> 00:26:44,185
I don't know what that
would do.
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00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:47,272
But we literally were all home,
terrified for the longest time.
480
00:26:50,358 --> 00:26:53,320
When I heard about
the kidnapping, it just seemed
481
00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:55,614
so over the top.
It was, like,
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00:26:56,823 --> 00:26:57,949
I didn't believe it.
483
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,995
It's ludicrous.
Duncan was just a liar.
484
00:27:04,247 --> 00:27:05,624
I'm gonna put this nicely.
485
00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:10,587
Lydia was not in the circle
of friends that I knew.
486
00:27:10,670 --> 00:27:13,381
If you knew
what Duncan was like,
487
00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:15,216
how could
you not have seen
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00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,177
that he faked it?
489
00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:20,680
Duncan just couldn't handle
what happened to Ron,
490
00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:22,098
and so he just left.
491
00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:31,107
Duncan was feeling a lot of
pressure from the police,
492
00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:32,817
and he told my parents
that too.
493
00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:37,322
So we were waiting to see
what happened,
494
00:27:37,447 --> 00:27:40,784
and he didn't resurface.
And then, um...
495
00:27:40,867 --> 00:27:44,162
the police weren't giving us
a lot at the time.
496
00:27:44,245 --> 00:27:48,625
But my dad remembered that
Duncan had asked us to store
497
00:27:48,708 --> 00:27:50,669
boxes in the garage.
498
00:27:50,794 --> 00:27:53,880
And my dad found a to-do list
in one of the boxes.
499
00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:56,424
And the first thing was,
"Get a new ID."
500
00:27:57,842 --> 00:27:59,386
"Get a new car."
501
00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:03,014
It's basically like, a list
you would make if you're trying
502
00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:05,725
to get a new identity.
503
00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:08,812
So my dad immediately
called the detectives.
504
00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:20,407
It felt like the longest time,
but Detective Garcia came back
505
00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:21,658
and he said, "So...
506
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:27,122
"this call that Duncan made to
you, saying he was in
507
00:28:27,205 --> 00:28:29,040
a warehouse in
North Hollywood..."
508
00:28:29,124 --> 00:28:30,208
[Duncan] They got me in,
like, a warehouse,
509
00:28:30,291 --> 00:28:31,376
like, in North Hollywood.
510
00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:36,172
The call actually came
from Nevada.
511
00:28:39,008 --> 00:28:40,635
I was like, "Nevada?
They had him in -- "
512
00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:42,220
Literally, I was like,
513
00:28:42,345 --> 00:28:44,055
"He was kidnapped
and taken to Nevada?"
514
00:28:46,099 --> 00:28:48,727
And that's when Detective Garcia
had to explain it to us.
515
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,896
"He made the call from
Nevada from a bus station.
516
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:56,025
"He took a bus from Los Angeles
to Nevada, and now we don't
517
00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,361
know where he is.
He's running."
518
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:00,905
And I couldn't believe it.
519
00:29:02,323 --> 00:29:03,908
Because you see things
520
00:29:05,368 --> 00:29:07,078
on TV where people do...
521
00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:13,418
really cruel things,
where they bait
522
00:29:14,836 --> 00:29:19,340
and deceive and hurt people,
and it's entertainment.
523
00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:20,842
You just, it's never you.
524
00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:27,974
[ominous music playing]
525
00:29:29,392 --> 00:29:30,894
[sirens wail]
526
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:35,148
[Debra]
Detectives came and talked
to us again, and it was really
527
00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:39,235
clear to them that there was
no occult aspect to this murder.
528
00:29:41,112 --> 00:29:45,617
Even though that narrative kept
coming up in the newspapers,
529
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:48,453
but they were asking us
if we'd heard from Duncan,
530
00:29:48,536 --> 00:29:52,290
and they made it clear he was
kind of on the run...
531
00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:55,877
and that they were
considering him a suspect.
532
00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,965
We knew he ran 'cause
he couldn't handle it.
533
00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:05,136
We just didn't know that he ran
because he was involved.
534
00:30:06,387 --> 00:30:09,766
They also asked us a lot
more questions
535
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:15,647
about their roommate, Nathan,
and his relationship with Ron.
536
00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:18,983
Because it wasn't just Duncan
that they were looking for.
537
00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:20,318
It was Nathan and Duncan.
538
00:30:20,401 --> 00:30:22,403
[ominous music intensifies]
539
00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:27,200
And it's like the hair
raises up on your arms.
540
00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:32,997
There was no good reason
for them to have killed Ron,
541
00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:37,335
but we sat down
and told them stuff
542
00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:39,170
that we hadn't told them before.
543
00:30:40,296 --> 00:30:43,842
I remembered about
two to three months before
544
00:30:43,967 --> 00:30:48,346
Ron's death, Duncan and Nathan
started getting really close.
545
00:30:48,429 --> 00:30:50,682
It kinda pushed out Ron.
546
00:30:50,765 --> 00:30:54,018
And then Duncan told us he was
going to get a fake ID.
547
00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:57,438
And somehow Duncan and Nathan
were gonna come into
548
00:30:57,522 --> 00:30:58,857
all this money.
549
00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:04,362
That's when things started
adding up that, like,
550
00:31:04,445 --> 00:31:07,240
somehow those guys were
involved in it.
551
00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:13,538
[Debra] Detectives told us to be
careful, and if we hear from
552
00:31:13,663 --> 00:31:17,250
them, let us know, and it all
felt very surreal.
553
00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:22,463
The idea that Duncan and Nathan
were still out there
554
00:31:23,923 --> 00:31:25,967
and had done this to Ron...
555
00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:28,553
was frightening.
556
00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:32,348
{\an8}Ron's former roommates are
the prime suspects
557
00:31:32,432 --> 00:31:33,433
{\an8}in his murder.
558
00:31:34,934 --> 00:31:36,185
No one knows where to find them
559
00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:40,148
or what they'll do when they're
face to face.
560
00:31:40,231 --> 00:31:41,566
[distorted scream echoing]
561
00:31:47,989 --> 00:31:49,991
[soft ominous music playing]
562
00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:56,205
[Debra] Nothing had been
resolved with Ron's murder.
563
00:31:56,331 --> 00:31:58,041
Duncan and Nathan
were their suspects.
564
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,714
There hadn't been any justice
served, and it felt
565
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,675
like it was still all hanging
over all of our heads.
566
00:32:10,678 --> 00:32:12,305
Duncan was...
567
00:32:12,388 --> 00:32:13,890
on the lam.
568
00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:16,768
And Nathan, I never saw him
again, never heard
569
00:32:16,893 --> 00:32:18,144
from him, nothing...
570
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,022
until that day
571
00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:23,232
at the Renaissance Faire.
572
00:32:27,028 --> 00:32:29,906
That day, Adriane and I are
at Renaissance Faire.
573
00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:31,240
We're walking through
the crowd,
574
00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:35,119
and it's a nice, beautiful day
and in the distance, I can kinda
575
00:32:35,244 --> 00:32:37,288
see somebody
that I think I recognize.
576
00:32:38,414 --> 00:32:40,166
And he's heading right
towards us.
577
00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,253
As this person got closer to
me, I realized it was somebody
578
00:32:44,379 --> 00:32:45,672
that I didn't really wanna see.
579
00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:49,300
I realized that it was Nathan.
580
00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:52,887
I started to get anxious.
581
00:32:54,013 --> 00:32:58,643
But he was really happy to see
us, and came up and gave Adriane
582
00:32:58,768 --> 00:32:59,769
and I a big hug.
583
00:32:59,852 --> 00:33:04,190
And I didn't want him
to know I knew.
584
00:33:06,609 --> 00:33:09,988
So, you know, I just let him
hug me and said,
585
00:33:10,113 --> 00:33:11,906
"Hey, how's things going?"
586
00:33:13,116 --> 00:33:14,742
I didn't wanna be around him.
587
00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:22,250
But detectives told us,
you know, if we hear from them
588
00:33:22,333 --> 00:33:24,877
or if you run into them
or anything, you know,
589
00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:26,129
to let us know.
590
00:33:26,212 --> 00:33:28,756
And they went out to
Renaissance Faire to try
591
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,091
to find him.
592
00:33:31,342 --> 00:33:33,636
It was just
this wild goose chase.
593
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,055
And every so often,
at the Renaissance Faire,
594
00:33:36,139 --> 00:33:38,641
like, all of a sudden,
the detectives show up,
595
00:33:38,725 --> 00:33:41,769
and they never really told us
that they had found either
596
00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:43,229
Duncan or Nathan.
597
00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:51,487
[Lydia]
I was living in New York City,
and I got a call that Duncan
598
00:33:51,571 --> 00:33:54,574
had been caught.
And I thought that was it.
599
00:33:54,657 --> 00:33:55,658
I thought it was over.
600
00:33:57,910 --> 00:34:00,913
[Patty] Duncan was arrested
in Salt Lake City
601
00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:03,666
for a fraudulent
passport charge.
602
00:34:03,791 --> 00:34:08,337
So he starts talking
about a case in L.A.
603
00:34:08,463 --> 00:34:10,339
that he says he was
involved in,
604
00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:12,383
and that he has
information about.
605
00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:15,344
And that was Ron's death.
606
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:19,682
So the LAPD detectives were
really interested
607
00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:20,933
in Duncan's story.
608
00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:26,856
This is all just from Duncan,
who is a habitual
609
00:34:27,982 --> 00:34:30,151
manipulator, liar.
610
00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:33,613
So...no story
that he tells will ever...
611
00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:35,865
be my story.
612
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:39,243
But apparently,
613
00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:45,750
Duncan and Nathan had been
watching criminal shows about
614
00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:47,251
how you get money out of people
615
00:34:47,376 --> 00:34:49,962
and how you
pull off good heists.
616
00:34:50,046 --> 00:34:55,968
And they had decided to use
this plan on Ron.
617
00:34:56,052 --> 00:34:57,136
"We're not gonna hurt Ron,
618
00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:58,971
but we're gonna get money
out of his parents."
619
00:34:59,055 --> 00:35:01,974
And they took him
to the train tunnel.
620
00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:06,270
They went up to
Chatsworth Park.
621
00:35:08,689 --> 00:35:10,316
And they were drinking beer.
622
00:35:11,984 --> 00:35:14,320
They were pretty drunk,
especially Ron.
623
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:21,327
And then, I guess Nathan
stumbled, and Ron was making
624
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:23,913
fun of him, or, you know,
saying things.
625
00:35:24,038 --> 00:35:25,081
[man laughs]
626
00:35:26,332 --> 00:35:27,625
[Patty] And Nathan just snapped
627
00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:30,253
and just started stabbing him.
628
00:35:31,754 --> 00:35:32,755
[echoing scream]
629
00:35:35,508 --> 00:35:38,553
Duncan said it was dark,
so he couldn't see,
630
00:35:40,388 --> 00:35:43,224
but that Nathan kept turning
on a lighter,
631
00:35:44,642 --> 00:35:49,272
and that he could see little
flashes of what was going on.
632
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:56,320
After that, they went down
from the tunnel and called
633
00:35:56,445 --> 00:35:57,613
the ransom call in.
634
00:35:58,656 --> 00:36:00,116
[phone rings]
635
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,495
[Patty] I know that Duncan made
the ransom call to my parents,
636
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:10,126
so to me, he's equally
as guilty as Nathan.
637
00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:14,714
But Duncan was cooperating with
the detectives, and Nathan was
638
00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:17,341
incarcerated for
a different crime.
639
00:36:17,466 --> 00:36:22,722
So Duncan agreed to wear a wire
and go visit Nathan so that
640
00:36:22,805 --> 00:36:24,473
he could try to
get a confession.
641
00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:42,533
{\an8}He goes and gets Nathan
to admit to killing Ron
642
00:36:42,658 --> 00:36:43,784
in the tunnels that night.
643
00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:53,961
With Nathan's confession
and the DNA evidence, both were
644
00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:55,671
arrested and charged
with murder.
645
00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:00,676
[Mark] It wasn't just
like a kidnapping.
646
00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:02,845
It was murder.
And they planned it.
647
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:04,096
They knew they were gonna
murder him.
648
00:37:06,474 --> 00:37:09,685
[Adriane] And then they lied
to all of us.
649
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:12,146
That's where the betrayal
comes in.
650
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,190
Duncan put on a show
to all of us.
651
00:37:14,273 --> 00:37:16,192
You knew what happened to Ron.
652
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,239
You were there, and you got
everybody's sympathy.
653
00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:25,076
[Debra] He got up there
and gave a eulogy.
654
00:37:27,662 --> 00:37:33,793
It's made me the most angry
that he could carry the casket,
655
00:37:35,378 --> 00:37:41,217
carry the casket and sit there,
you know, with us, day by day,
656
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:42,718
watching us cry.
657
00:37:44,512 --> 00:37:48,516
Look us in the eye and --
and lie.
658
00:37:51,894 --> 00:37:55,439
[Lydia] He prayed on Ron,
and then he prayed on us.
659
00:37:57,692 --> 00:37:59,068
He ruined so many lives.
660
00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:01,821
I will never...
661
00:38:02,822 --> 00:38:03,823
be the same.
662
00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:10,079
It affected every relationship
and friendship I had
663
00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:11,580
after that.
664
00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:14,417
If you can't trust people
who were in your friend group,
665
00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:16,252
who do you trust?
666
00:38:16,377 --> 00:38:18,379
[melancholic piano playing]
667
00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:26,053
Duncan and Nathan,
they each had separate trials.
668
00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:28,264
[Adriane] I had to go be
a witness in both trials.
669
00:38:29,765 --> 00:38:32,101
Nathan was just blank.
670
00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:34,270
He just sat there, like he knew
he had been caught.
671
00:38:35,604 --> 00:38:38,858
And then I walked by Duncan
and remember Duncan giving me
672
00:38:38,941 --> 00:38:42,403
this weak little smile and me
just staring him down.
673
00:38:42,486 --> 00:38:43,988
I remember I just wanted
to spit at him.
674
00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:45,156
I wanted to hit him.
675
00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:51,412
[Patty] They were both convicted
of first degree murder and got
676
00:38:51,495 --> 00:38:53,873
life without parole.
-[Adriane] Duncan got life.
677
00:38:56,083 --> 00:38:59,587
And then, 2021,
wonderful Governor Newsom
678
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:02,631
released Duncan on early --
gave him parole,
679
00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:08,054
which...is horrible.
And now, he's out of jail.
680
00:39:08,137 --> 00:39:10,389
You look up these YouTube
channels, and he's talking,
681
00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:12,558
like, "Oh yes, back when
I was incarcerated..."
682
00:39:12,641 --> 00:39:14,769
I spent 27 years inside.
683
00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:16,270
And it's like,
you were incarcerated
684
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:17,438
for killing your best friend.
685
00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:19,482
Like that should be
your disclaimer.
686
00:39:19,565 --> 00:39:22,026
You should have to wear
something around your neck.
687
00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:23,944
I don't know where the justice
is, you know?
688
00:39:25,654 --> 00:39:28,240
[Patty] Ron would have been
a really great uncle,
689
00:39:28,324 --> 00:39:31,786
and my kids never
got to meet him.
690
00:39:31,869 --> 00:39:36,499
And it's just really difficult
to not have him around.
691
00:39:40,836 --> 00:39:41,837
[Mark] Yeah.
692
00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:46,467
[crickets chirping]
693
00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:53,057
[Mark] Yeah.
694
00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:59,855
This was...
was the end of the line.
695
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,400
[Mark sniffs]
696
00:40:05,986 --> 00:40:09,115
I loved him.
He was such a good person.
697
00:40:12,284 --> 00:40:17,331
Smart and funny.
He challenged me.
698
00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:19,917
He taught me.
He had this...
699
00:40:21,585 --> 00:40:24,922
this drive to do good
for the world.
700
00:40:25,047 --> 00:40:26,632
There's not a lot of people
like him.
701
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:42,148
-Love you.
-Love you too.
702
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:45,734
You're kinda
all I have left of him.
703
00:40:47,236 --> 00:40:48,446
-Ditto.
-Yeah.
704
00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:50,573
[people speaking indistinctly]
705
00:40:54,243 --> 00:40:57,079
As long as we can remember all
that amazing stuff he was,
706
00:40:57,163 --> 00:41:00,166
how smart and kind.
Look at Ron.
707
00:41:00,249 --> 00:41:02,418
{\an8}-[Mark] Yeah.
-[Lydia] Aw, Ron.
708
00:41:02,543 --> 00:41:03,586
{\an8}Stop it.
709
00:41:03,711 --> 00:41:08,257
{\an8}That legacy will way outlive
Duncan and Nathan.
710
00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,092
{\an8}[Mark] Here he's got like
a beret on 'cause he's in
711
00:41:10,217 --> 00:41:12,011
{\an8}the Renaissance Faire.
712
00:41:12,094 --> 00:41:14,430
{\an8}Oh man, he loved
the Renaissance Faire.
713
00:41:14,555 --> 00:41:16,849
{\an8}'Cause they won't get a legacy.
714
00:41:19,643 --> 00:41:21,145
{\an8}And we're his.
715
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:22,855
{\an8}[echoing laughter]