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[Lazar]
Hi, I'm Bob Lazar.

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In December of 1988,

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I was hired as a
senior staff physicist

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by a U.S. defense
contractor called

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EG&G Special Projects.

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I was told that I
would be working

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on an advanced
propulsion system

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out in a remote area
of the Nevada test site

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known as Area 51.

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Myself and 21 other people

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were responsible for back
engineering a technology

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that originated
from another civilization.

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Although this was a
highly classified project,

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I was never comfortable knowing

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that this secret was being kept
from the world.

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As work there progressed,
I began to worry

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that what I knew could
endanger my life.

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Wanting to protect myself,

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I decided to go public and
reveal the secrets of S4.

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Since then, my story has been
told countless times

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from people all over the world.

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No one has ever been able to
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what I saw with my own eyes.

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Until now.

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[footsteps on grass]

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Wow, that's a big carrot
you got there.

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[woman] Well...
[mumbles]

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I'm sure they're gonna like
the greens too.

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[indistinct chatter]

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[indistinct chatter]

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Come here, come here.

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Boy!

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[indistinct chattering]

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Rockstar hair on it.

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-[indistinct chatter]

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[overlapping dialogues]

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[Lazar]
I get asked a lot if
I regret going forward and...

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I have also said, for years,

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"My mind goes back and forth."

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If I go forward, I come
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in my life,
if I could go back in time,

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I do wonder what would
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played along and didn't take

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anyone out to the site
to show 'em and...

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I don't know how things
would have turned out.

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I don't know if that
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right thing to do anyway,

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'cause it really
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all this was being kept secret.

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Ah, there's really no way
I can prove it

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without revealing my identity
and getting myself into

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more trouble than
I have already.

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[interviewer] Exactly what's
going on up there?

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Well, there's several, uh,

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actually nine flying saucers,
flying disks

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that are out there of
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They're basically being
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some are, well,
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of completion built
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and they're being test flown

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and basically just analyzed.

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I was always interested in
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particularly things that

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operated or controlled huge
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high-powered lasers,
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explosives, things of that sort,

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and started building small jet
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in my late teens.

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I remember, um,

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either buying this magazine or
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I might have been subscribed
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this is back when I was either
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...you know, a jet engine on
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nothing's cooler than that,"
you know, when you're a kid.

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Yeah, but I wanted to know
everything about that.

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You know, a jet engine,
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you could build
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the power and-- and whatnot.

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guy named Eugene Gluhareff
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California somewhere and,

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you know, time--
time went on, years go by, and

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this magazine popped up again,

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you know, and I went...
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that guy's out here," you know,
and I looked and I--

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I went, it's like a
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and, you know, here's, uh,

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this guy's shop was
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kind of [chuckles]
disintegrating building,

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you know, knocked on the door
and there's the guy.

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we start talking and um...

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in-- in a short time,

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you know,
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and explaining everything.

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back and forth there and, uh--

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and learning a lot about how--

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how everything worked, you know,
supersonic aerodynamics
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you know, the shock waves
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stuff that you're not gonna

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learn in high school
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you know, that really became
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the spark anyway,
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you know, that kind of
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An old friend of mine, Jim,

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he worked in the
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Fairchild Electronics, and

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came in one day and said,

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"I went to the racetrack
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I think it was
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"And they had jet cars.

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It's just this big jet engine
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And they were racing, you know,
fire is blasting out the back."

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I-- And he said,
"Yeah, you gotta go."

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And I went there.
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probably-- just my early 20s,
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"That is without a doubt
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I have ever seen."

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And I immediately-- I have to
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And um, I think that was kind
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[engine roaring]

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[engine roaring]

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[fire roaring]

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Well, it's so cool.
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pulling away from me. I said,

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"Jeez, I wonder if I'm
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[man]
Three...

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-...zero!
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[Lazar]
My wife had a Honda Civic.

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And as it turned out, just
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just the hatchback really looked
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I just started taking it apart.

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there was a jet in there
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kind of became a project
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And, uh, it turned out
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[reporter]
He also said he
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Los Alamos National Lab,

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where he experimented with
one of the world's

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largest particle beam
accelerators,

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a half mile long behemoth

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capable of generating
700 million volts.

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Los Alamos officials told us

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they had no records of
a Robert Lazar ever
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They were either mistaken
or were lying.

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A 1982 phone book
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right there among the other
scientists and technicians.

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A 1982 clipping from the
Los Alamos newspaper

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profiled Lazar and
his interest in jet cars.

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It too mentioned his employment
at the lab as a physicist.

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We called Los Alamos again.

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An exasperated official told us

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he still had no records
on Lazar.

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[Lazar]
Well, while working
at Los Alamos National Lab
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the local newspaper did
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on a jet car I had built.

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Coincidentally,
Dr. Edward Teller

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was giving a speech at
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[crowd applauds]

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[applause continues]

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One, two, three, four.

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We don't want war.

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Reagan...

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...is our first president...

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who had the courage...

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to tell the American people...

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a big part... of the truth.

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When I arrived early
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Dr. Teller was still
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reading a story about me
in the newspaper.

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I used that to strike up
a conversation

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and we had a short
chat about the jet car.

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Then later I listened
to his speech.

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Now, I never met Dr. Teller
again, but in 1988

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when I decided to re-enter
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I sent him a resume,
and inquired about a job.

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Dr. Teller responded
by telephone

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and told me that he was
no longer active,

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but just functioned in a
chief consultant capacity.

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He gave me the name of
a contact to call in Las Vegas.

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I made that call and things
progressed from there

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until I got into
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I had left the lab, moved back
and started sending out resumes

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and that's when he said,
"I think I have" you know,

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"I have something
you might be interested in."

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And that's when he
directed me to EG&G and

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their special projects
division is where

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I had the interview and...

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that was actually apparently
for yet another job.

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And after my interview,
they said,

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"You know, there's actually
a different position

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that you might plug into
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So, you know, it was kind of a--
a bumpy road to S4, but

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it's--
was all through, uh, Teller.

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[reporter] EG&G, which is where
Lazar says he was interviewed

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for the job at S4,
also has no record.

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It's as if someone
has made him disappear.

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-[industrial-era music]
-[man]
The consulting
engineering firm

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of Edgerton,
Grumershausen and Grier,

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these three together
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will conduct the
highly important

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Teller Alpha experiment

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devised in 1947 by
Dr. Edward Teller,

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a University of Chicago
physicist

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and Los Alamos consultant,

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involves the Zero Tower and the
Teller Alpha reflectors.

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[man]
He is not your typical, uh,

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straight-laced science guy,

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science nerd that, uh, might

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typically be hired at a place
like Los Alamos or at S4.

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So, you know,

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if you wanted to hire a guy
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out of the box and help
solve problems,

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but who could be discredited,
if you needed to do that,

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Bob was probably the best person
in the country at the time.

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He was perfect for it.

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My name is George Knapp.

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I'm an investigative reporter,

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former anchor at KLAS-TV,

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and I'm the guy who broke
the story about Bob Lazar.

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[indistinct] high school reunion
or something.

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-Yeah [chuckles]
-Look at you!

252
00:12:32,166 --> 00:12:33,916
-Hey, it's good to see you.
-You too, man.

253
00:12:35,125 --> 00:12:38,500
I get more UFO books than...
anybody in-- on the planet.

254
00:12:38,666 --> 00:12:39,833
No doubt.

255
00:12:40,375 --> 00:12:42,625
That's all CIA
secret history stuff.

256
00:12:43,291 --> 00:12:44,625
I got some Emmys and...

257
00:12:44,791 --> 00:12:45,916
[chuckles] "I got--

258
00:12:46,083 --> 00:12:47,458
I got some
little Emmys out there."

259
00:12:47,625 --> 00:12:48,958
[man speaks indistinctly]

260
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Lazar, 51.

261
00:12:51,375 --> 00:12:53,333
Lazar, Lazar, 51.

262
00:12:54,375 --> 00:12:58,125
Uh, but it all starts with you,
so it's your fault

263
00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:00,416
-that my house looks like this.
-[chuckles]

264
00:13:00,583 --> 00:13:02,375
Oh, I remember you
showed me a flying--

265
00:13:02,541 --> 00:13:04,625
-There it is! With the
aliens inside.
-Yeah.

266
00:13:04,833 --> 00:13:07,333
[chuckles] Yeah, I thought
that was really cute.

267
00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:09,250
[overlapping dialogues]

268
00:13:11,583 --> 00:13:13,375
Let me start this way first,
so...

269
00:13:14,333 --> 00:13:15,833
This is the first time
Bob and I have ever

270
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-been on camera together.
-Mm-hmm.

271
00:13:17,458 --> 00:13:18,708
You know, when I first met him,

272
00:13:18,875 --> 00:13:20,375
he-- he came forward
and spoke to us

273
00:13:20,541 --> 00:13:22,041
'cause he was afraid
for his life.

274
00:13:22,250 --> 00:13:24,125
So I started trying to check out
what's on his resume,

275
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where he had worked,
where he'd gone to school.

276
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Um, started with the schools,
and...

277
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...it was an immediate
roadblock.

278
00:13:32,250 --> 00:13:33,916
You know, MIT and Caltech

279
00:13:34,083 --> 00:13:35,791
both said, "We don't have
any record of him."

280
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I thought, "Well, this series
could end right here, you know."

281
00:13:38,833 --> 00:13:43,208
And then so this prompted
conversations with me and Bob,

282
00:13:43,666 --> 00:13:46,041
and he explained some of
what was going on.

283
00:13:46,666 --> 00:13:48,416
He said,
"Look, I worked at Los Alamos.

284
00:13:48,583 --> 00:13:49,958
I was there. I was working in a

285
00:13:50,125 --> 00:13:52,625
scientific capacity on
classified programs.

286
00:13:52,791 --> 00:13:53,833
That is a fact."

287
00:13:54,666 --> 00:13:56,958
And I decided, "Well, that's
what we'll focus on."

288
00:13:57,125 --> 00:13:58,500
If he worked at Los Alamos

289
00:13:58,666 --> 00:14:01,000
in a scientific capacity on
classified stuff,

290
00:14:01,333 --> 00:14:02,458
-[sharp slap]
-this is a go.

291
00:14:02,625 --> 00:14:03,750
And so I started a

292
00:14:03,916 --> 00:14:05,750
COP correspondence
with Los Alamos,

293
00:14:05,916 --> 00:14:08,208
and they were a pain in the ass
right at-- from the beginning.

294
00:14:08,583 --> 00:14:09,791
"We don't have any record of him

295
00:14:10,166 --> 00:14:12,833
ever being there
in any capacity. Sorry."

296
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,708
Then we had the phone book.

297
00:14:14,875 --> 00:14:16,125
There he is in the phone book.

298
00:14:16,291 --> 00:14:18,666
I sent it to 'em.
"Hey, folks, here he is."

299
00:14:18,833 --> 00:14:21,583
"Yeah, we-- we can't find a--" I
think they called it a Z number.

300
00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:23,416
"Can't find it. Sorry."

301
00:14:23,791 --> 00:14:27,208
Then I had the
Los Alamos Monitor
front page story about

302
00:14:27,375 --> 00:14:30,000
Bob being a physicist working
there. I sent that to 'em.

303
00:14:30,166 --> 00:14:31,708
"Have you guys seen this?"

304
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,458
Los Alamos is a small town.

305
00:14:33,958 --> 00:14:35,625
It's not like he could lie
about it on the front page

306
00:14:35,791 --> 00:14:37,000
of the paper and
get away with it.

307
00:14:37,583 --> 00:14:39,041
"Nope.
Sorry, we don't have him.

308
00:14:39,208 --> 00:14:40,666
But maybe he worked
for Kirk Meyer."

309
00:14:40,833 --> 00:14:42,708
So I started a correspondence
with Kirk Meyer.

310
00:14:43,125 --> 00:14:44,625
This is a company that is a
headhunter.

311
00:14:44,791 --> 00:14:46,125
They hire people.

312
00:14:46,291 --> 00:14:48,500
They find, uh, people
to fill positions,

313
00:14:48,666 --> 00:14:50,500
scientific and technical
capabilities

314
00:14:50,666 --> 00:14:52,541
at places like Los Alamos Lab.

315
00:14:52,791 --> 00:14:54,875
"You have records on a guy
named Robert Lazar."

316
00:14:55,041 --> 00:14:57,833
And they said, "Yes, we do."
I said, "Can I get them?"

317
00:14:58,041 --> 00:15:00,458
Said, "Yeah, if you get a
signed letter from him

318
00:15:00,666 --> 00:15:02,791
or we can send them to him
or you with a--

319
00:15:02,958 --> 00:15:04,416
with a letter with permission."

320
00:15:04,583 --> 00:15:06,500
I said, "Great."
And sent it to 'em.

321
00:15:06,833 --> 00:15:08,625
Weeks go by, no response.

322
00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:10,791
Months go by, no response.

323
00:15:10,958 --> 00:15:12,333
I'm writing back to him.

324
00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:14,000
There's a-- I got a stack
of letters like this

325
00:15:14,166 --> 00:15:16,000
to Los Alamos
and Kirk Meyer.

326
00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,875
And I'm asking 'em,
"You said you had
the-- the records.

327
00:15:19,041 --> 00:15:20,250
You said you had hired him.

328
00:15:20,583 --> 00:15:22,500
You got him a job there.
Can I get 'em?"

329
00:15:22,666 --> 00:15:25,000
And eventually,
it was a back and forth.

330
00:15:25,166 --> 00:15:26,208
"Yes, we have 'em."

331
00:15:26,583 --> 00:15:27,791
"No, we can't find 'em."

332
00:15:27,958 --> 00:15:29,000
"No, we never had 'em."

333
00:15:29,541 --> 00:15:30,750
I knew they were lying to me.

334
00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:33,666
That really... is a key
moment for me

335
00:15:33,833 --> 00:15:36,166
because I knew that
Los Alamos was lying to me.

336
00:15:36,333 --> 00:15:38,083
And I knew that Kirk Meyer
was lying to me.

337
00:15:38,416 --> 00:15:39,416
And it pissed me off.

338
00:15:39,583 --> 00:15:41,625
[retro synth music]

339
00:15:50,875 --> 00:15:53,583
[man]
He says he was hired
to work at an area called S4,

340
00:15:53,750 --> 00:15:55,750
which is a few miles
south of Groom Lake.

341
00:15:55,958 --> 00:15:58,166
At S4, he says,
are flying saucers,

342
00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,958
antimatter reactors
and other working examples

343
00:16:01,125 --> 00:16:04,458
of technology that is seemingly
beyond human capabilities.

344
00:16:04,625 --> 00:16:06,166
Right. This-- this came
from somewhere else.

345
00:16:06,333 --> 00:16:07,708
I mean, as bizarre as
that is to believe,

346
00:16:07,875 --> 00:16:09,583
but I mean, it's there.
I saw it.

347
00:16:09,958 --> 00:16:11,750
I know what the current
state of the art is and--

348
00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:15,500
in-- in physics and it's--
it can't be done.

349
00:16:16,750 --> 00:16:18,416
Groom Lake, Area 51.

350
00:16:18,583 --> 00:16:20,708
The, uh, the installation
is surrounded

351
00:16:20,875 --> 00:16:22,208
by the Groom Mountain Range

352
00:16:22,375 --> 00:16:24,500
and there's a large dry
lake bed.

353
00:16:24,791 --> 00:16:26,416
That's Groom Lake.

354
00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:32,208
Just south of that is S4 and
Papoose Dry Lake.

355
00:16:32,375 --> 00:16:34,416
[music builds]

356
00:16:36,833 --> 00:16:40,958
The way it worked was they'd
call me at random days and

357
00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:43,708
they'd say, "Mr. Lazar,
it is now such and such time.

358
00:16:43,958 --> 00:16:45,500
We need you to come out today."

359
00:16:45,666 --> 00:16:46,916
So I'd go out there.

360
00:16:47,083 --> 00:16:49,125
I'd drive out to EG&G
Special Projects,

361
00:16:49,291 --> 00:16:52,250
which was right in
McCarran Airport at that time.

362
00:16:52,416 --> 00:16:54,458
I'd go through a
little security there

363
00:16:54,625 --> 00:16:56,666
and then out on the tarmac

364
00:16:56,833 --> 00:16:58,500
and board one of the
Janet flights.

365
00:16:58,750 --> 00:17:00,250
They were only used
by the government

366
00:17:00,416 --> 00:17:02,458
for going back and
forth to the test site.

367
00:17:02,625 --> 00:17:04,291
[man on radio]
Flight 363 Las Vegas Tower,

368
00:17:04,458 --> 00:17:06,666
runway 26 right, line up
and wait, traffic downfield.

369
00:17:08,125 --> 00:17:09,916
[man 2 on radio]
Flight 826 Ryder, I said.

370
00:17:10,916 --> 00:17:13,041
[man]
1313 straight in at Bravo 5

371
00:17:13,208 --> 00:17:15,208
and contact the ramp traffic
holds in position.

372
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:17,750
[man 2]
Hey, cross 26 right,
Bravo 5,

373
00:17:17,916 --> 00:17:19,125
over to Rant House, 1330.

374
00:17:22,458 --> 00:17:24,708
[Knapp] Now it's well known how
people get to Groom Lake.

375
00:17:24,875 --> 00:17:27,333
The Janet planes are now
infamous, you know,

376
00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:29,666
and the buses with the
blacked out windows.

377
00:17:29,833 --> 00:17:31,625
But back then when Bob
first shared it with me

378
00:17:31,791 --> 00:17:33,208
and we made it public,

379
00:17:33,458 --> 00:17:35,791
the-- the general public had
no idea how that worked.

380
00:17:36,333 --> 00:17:37,333
We put that out there.

381
00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:38,500
Bob knew about it

382
00:17:38,666 --> 00:17:39,875
and it would confirm, you know.

383
00:17:40,041 --> 00:17:42,083
[suspenseful music]

384
00:17:51,666 --> 00:17:53,166
[Lazar]
When I got to Area 51

385
00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:54,875
off the plane and
into the facility,

386
00:17:55,041 --> 00:17:56,375
there were very few people.

387
00:17:56,541 --> 00:17:59,250
I just went into a--
a small building

388
00:17:59,416 --> 00:18:02,666
and we had to sit down
across the desk from somebody

389
00:18:02,833 --> 00:18:06,750
and they'd have a lot of papers
explaining what I was signing

390
00:18:06,958 --> 00:18:09,500
and what I'm expected to do
and what I'm

391
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:12,291
expected not to talk
about, so on and so forth.

392
00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,541
[ominous music]

393
00:18:17,875 --> 00:18:19,708
The next time I went out there,

394
00:18:19,875 --> 00:18:22,291
they had a bus, a blue bus,

395
00:18:22,458 --> 00:18:25,458
which was essentially a
Blue Bird school bus,

396
00:18:25,625 --> 00:18:28,541
just painted navy blue
with the windows blacked out.

397
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,916
That I got onto with Dennis, who
was my supervisor at the time,

398
00:18:33,083 --> 00:18:37,250
and we drove south to another
facility, now known as S4.

399
00:18:41,083 --> 00:18:43,291
[on recording]
We're taken
by bus south of there.

400
00:18:43,583 --> 00:18:45,416
The bus has the windows
blocked out of it

401
00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:47,208
and they drive about

402
00:18:47,541 --> 00:18:50,291
15, 20 minutes, something
like that, on a dirt road.

403
00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,083
Every time I got on the bus,

404
00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:54,291
I walked up and grabbed the

405
00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:56,833
long chrome pole that's
right by the seat

406
00:18:57,041 --> 00:18:59,541
and pretty much just
spun around and sat there

407
00:18:59,708 --> 00:19:01,125
or close to the front.

408
00:19:01,458 --> 00:19:03,708
Dennis always sat--
he never sat next to me,

409
00:19:03,875 --> 00:19:05,500
he always sat across from me

410
00:19:05,833 --> 00:19:07,291
and looked at me the whole time,

411
00:19:07,458 --> 00:19:10,166
which was really uncomfortable.

412
00:19:10,416 --> 00:19:12,958
Now, the windows were
blocked out, but

413
00:19:13,125 --> 00:19:16,708
if I leaned forward, I can see
out the front window.

414
00:19:16,875 --> 00:19:18,875
[engine rumbling]

415
00:19:19,791 --> 00:19:23,166
As we slowed down,
I could feel that we were--

416
00:19:23,333 --> 00:19:25,708
we were slowing and turning
at the same time

417
00:19:25,875 --> 00:19:27,166
when we came to
a stop.

418
00:19:28,041 --> 00:19:29,750
When I got out of the bus,

419
00:19:30,083 --> 00:19:32,375
I can see just desert around us.

420
00:19:32,541 --> 00:19:35,416
I can see part of
Papoose Lake behind me

421
00:19:35,583 --> 00:19:37,875
and then when I walked
around the front of the bus,

422
00:19:38,041 --> 00:19:40,125
we were at the hillside and

423
00:19:40,333 --> 00:19:45,000
Dennis was by me and all that
was in front of us was a door

424
00:19:45,166 --> 00:19:47,208
and a security camera above it.

425
00:19:54,375 --> 00:19:56,583
We're going into the facility
the first time.

426
00:19:56,750 --> 00:20:00,333
It's a relatively small room
with a table and chair there.

427
00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:02,916
There was a security guard
in the chair

428
00:20:03,333 --> 00:20:05,041
and he acknowledged Dennis.

429
00:20:05,208 --> 00:20:06,250
I walked in.

430
00:20:06,708 --> 00:20:08,791
Behind him on the right,

431
00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:11,000
there's the hand scanner.

432
00:20:11,166 --> 00:20:13,208
[retro synth music]

433
00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:24,416
First time I went in there
with Dennis,

434
00:20:24,708 --> 00:20:27,166
obviously I had no badge,
it had to learn,

435
00:20:27,333 --> 00:20:29,666
so we had to, you know,
train the machine,

436
00:20:29,958 --> 00:20:32,833
but subsequent times when
I put my hand on there,

437
00:20:33,125 --> 00:20:35,625
the light shines through
your hand and measures

438
00:20:35,791 --> 00:20:37,166
the bones in your finger,

439
00:20:37,333 --> 00:20:38,541
determines who you are

440
00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:40,708
and your badge comes up
out of the slot.

441
00:20:44,083 --> 00:20:46,125
Each door you have,
you have to swipe it

442
00:20:46,291 --> 00:20:47,833
to get access to the room

443
00:20:48,041 --> 00:20:51,458
and somewhere that records
the time you went in,

444
00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:54,250
when you come out, etc.

445
00:20:57,166 --> 00:20:59,958
On the front is a
picture of my face.

446
00:21:00,333 --> 00:21:04,208
Uh, there is a big M.A.J.
written sideways on it.

447
00:21:04,375 --> 00:21:06,125
I think they're locations

448
00:21:06,458 --> 00:21:08,208
and they get-- they get
punched with a star

449
00:21:08,375 --> 00:21:10,083
where you have access to them.

450
00:21:11,083 --> 00:21:12,791
There's an employee number
on there.

451
00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:16,333
There's a dark blue
and light blue

452
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,750
diagonal stripe
up in the corner.

453
00:21:19,291 --> 00:21:20,958
The Department of Naval
Intelligence,

454
00:21:21,125 --> 00:21:22,791
the stripes on the side.

455
00:21:23,416 --> 00:21:26,083
[interviewer] And the s-- the
star punch that you saw...

456
00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:27,625
[Lazar] Was on S4.

457
00:21:28,625 --> 00:21:29,666
Yeah.

458
00:21:31,541 --> 00:21:33,583
[pulsing electronic music]

459
00:21:42,291 --> 00:21:44,583
[Lazar]
It's a long, desolate hallway,

460
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,833
for the most part, dimly lit.

461
00:21:47,333 --> 00:21:51,000
Just a two-tone green
cinder block hallway.

462
00:21:52,458 --> 00:21:55,666
Off to the right would be...
the nurse station,

463
00:21:55,833 --> 00:21:59,000
which is just several steps
down that way.

464
00:21:59,166 --> 00:22:00,875
But the main hallway,
when you open the door

465
00:22:01,041 --> 00:22:02,500
and you look straight down,

466
00:22:02,666 --> 00:22:04,416
pretty much goes
to a vanishing point.

467
00:22:04,583 --> 00:22:06,708
It's a long, long hallway.

468
00:22:07,083 --> 00:22:09,458
And you'll have doors
off to the left

469
00:22:09,625 --> 00:22:12,250
that lead to the experimental
areas and the hangars.

470
00:22:12,541 --> 00:22:16,083
Uh, the doors to the right
will be: bathroom and,

471
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:18,250
uh, the cafeteria, and then

472
00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,541
once you pass the main hangar,
the big hangar,

473
00:22:21,708 --> 00:22:24,333
I have no idea
what's past there.

474
00:22:24,750 --> 00:22:27,208
[echoing footsteps]

475
00:22:27,875 --> 00:22:30,208
There is a small medical
facility there.

476
00:22:30,541 --> 00:22:35,000
Uh, it's the only female I saw,
ever, in the facility.

477
00:22:35,166 --> 00:22:37,958
She explained that we are
potentially working with

478
00:22:38,125 --> 00:22:40,041
a lot of unknown materials

479
00:22:40,416 --> 00:22:43,958
and there could be sensitivities
or allergic reactions to them.

480
00:22:44,208 --> 00:22:48,291
So she drew a small grid on the
bottom of my arm

481
00:22:48,458 --> 00:22:51,291
and had a variety of

482
00:22:51,625 --> 00:22:54,541
small needles with different
substances on them and

483
00:22:54,708 --> 00:22:58,750
pricked a little area inside
each one of those squares,

484
00:22:59,166 --> 00:23:03,125
uh, just to see, you know, if
I'd have any reaction to them.

485
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:06,333
I was also instructed
to drink this

486
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:08,458
liquid that I said
smelled like pine.

487
00:23:09,125 --> 00:23:11,541
It's kind of an amber-colored
liquid, if I recall.

488
00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:15,333
And, it did give me a reaction
that that evening,

489
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,000
I think I had stomach cramps.

490
00:23:17,166 --> 00:23:20,250
But, I can't really say
that caused them.

491
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:22,125
You know, it's coincidental, so.

492
00:23:22,291 --> 00:23:24,958
But I-- [chuckles] I can't
officially blame it on that.

493
00:23:25,875 --> 00:23:27,875
[electronic pulsing]

494
00:23:33,875 --> 00:23:35,458
When I first began at S4,

495
00:23:35,625 --> 00:23:37,583
I would randomly be taken
into a small room,

496
00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,250
which contained
a table, a chair,

497
00:23:39,416 --> 00:23:41,833
and 120 or so briefings
in blue folders.

498
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:45,833
These reports appeared to be an
overview of alien information,

499
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,166
which could be used to brief
scientists from any field

500
00:23:48,333 --> 00:23:49,958
about the scope
of the whole project,

501
00:23:50,125 --> 00:23:52,291
and not just their specific
field of endeavor.

502
00:23:52,458 --> 00:23:55,291
The file on top was
Project Galileo.

503
00:23:55,541 --> 00:23:58,750
And as it turned out, that's
the project that I was part of.

504
00:23:59,083 --> 00:24:03,375
And that clearly... referred
to reverse engineering

505
00:24:03,541 --> 00:24:06,166
a recovered alien spacecraft.

506
00:24:06,708 --> 00:24:09,916
My job in this program was to
be part of a back engineering
team.

507
00:24:10,375 --> 00:24:12,791
Back engineering is the act of
taking a finished product

508
00:24:12,958 --> 00:24:15,166
and tearing it apart to find
out what makes it tick.

509
00:24:15,791 --> 00:24:17,625
The goal in this program
was to see

510
00:24:17,791 --> 00:24:19,125
if the technology of the disc

511
00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:21,291
could be duplicated with
Earth materials.

512
00:24:23,083 --> 00:24:24,958
Dennis brought us into the lab.
He said,

513
00:24:25,125 --> 00:24:27,375
"This is where you're gonna
be spending most of your time."

514
00:24:28,125 --> 00:24:30,250
I can see it was a...
typical lab setup.

515
00:24:30,416 --> 00:24:33,333
There was stuff, components,
everything all over the place.

516
00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:35,416
And one guy in there,
Barry, who--

517
00:24:35,583 --> 00:24:37,375
who got up immediately and was

518
00:24:37,541 --> 00:24:39,750
clearly really happy to see me.

519
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,166
It seems like he used to work
with somebody else.

520
00:24:43,333 --> 00:24:45,250
He had a lot to say,
he was excited

521
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,083
to show me everything and
bring me up to speed.

522
00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:50,208
It was kind of like a
little kid at that point.

523
00:24:50,375 --> 00:24:51,500
"Wait till you see this."

524
00:24:51,666 --> 00:24:53,125
And, you know, he'd display

525
00:24:53,291 --> 00:24:54,916
how the amplifier,

526
00:24:55,083 --> 00:24:57,708
you know, operates connected
to the emitters and

527
00:24:57,875 --> 00:25:01,041
how things operate, even though
they're not connected, and--

528
00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:05,083
But yeah, he was... very anxious
to show me everything

529
00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:07,583
and anxious to make
some progress too.

530
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:09,791
[retro synth music]

531
00:25:13,041 --> 00:25:14,666
So this is where he said,

532
00:25:15,291 --> 00:25:17,458
"We're focusing primarily on the

533
00:25:17,625 --> 00:25:19,583
power and propulsion system
of the craft."

534
00:25:20,166 --> 00:25:22,333
And I said, "Great,

535
00:25:22,875 --> 00:25:25,083
w-- what... craft?"

536
00:25:25,791 --> 00:25:28,250
I think he was holding off
intentionally,

537
00:25:28,416 --> 00:25:31,791
telling me anything, because
what he wanted me to do

538
00:25:32,041 --> 00:25:35,000
was to feel the gravitational
field on the reactor.

539
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:39,958
So he went over, he rotated the
emitter and the reactor was on.

540
00:25:40,125 --> 00:25:42,041
He said, "Go ahead and
try and touch that."

541
00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:44,416
And when I pushed
my hands on it,

542
00:25:45,041 --> 00:25:49,250
that was the biggest
scientific shock I'd ever had

543
00:25:49,583 --> 00:25:53,666
because there's nothing
in the world that can do that.

544
00:25:54,375 --> 00:25:57,541
And he said, "That's what
propels the craft.

545
00:25:58,041 --> 00:26:00,541
And that is a gravity
generator."

546
00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:04,958
And that... was
the moment that...

547
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,333
I realized [chuckles]
what was going on.

548
00:26:09,375 --> 00:26:13,625
Barry indicated that
what I saw there was

549
00:26:13,791 --> 00:26:16,166
the propulsion system
in its entirety.

550
00:26:17,875 --> 00:26:20,000
He started with the reactor and

551
00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:22,166
the small hemisphere
on the plate.

552
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:25,000
said, "This is apparently
the power source."

553
00:26:25,166 --> 00:26:27,250
To the left of that
on the ground

554
00:26:27,416 --> 00:26:30,500
was what he referred to
as the amplifier.

555
00:26:30,666 --> 00:26:32,250
And to the left of that

556
00:26:32,416 --> 00:26:36,625
at 90 degrees, was a large pipe
looking object.

557
00:26:36,791 --> 00:26:38,333
He said that was the emitter.

558
00:26:39,375 --> 00:26:41,375
These function together
to produce

559
00:26:41,541 --> 00:26:43,416
a gravity propulsion system.

560
00:26:43,583 --> 00:26:47,125
The power base frequency was
created by the reactor.

561
00:26:47,375 --> 00:26:50,291
The amplifier increased
its amplitude

562
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,541
and that was channeled
into the emitter

563
00:26:52,708 --> 00:26:54,583
and focused or beamed,

564
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:57,416
wherever you want to
provide the propulsion.

565
00:26:57,708 --> 00:27:01,333
Barry shut the system off
by rotating the emitter

566
00:27:01,625 --> 00:27:04,500
and then he proceeded to
take apart the reactor to

567
00:27:04,666 --> 00:27:06,375
show me it had components too.

568
00:27:06,666 --> 00:27:08,250
When he did that,
you were able to touch

569
00:27:08,416 --> 00:27:10,000
the hemisphere in the reactor,

570
00:27:10,625 --> 00:27:13,583
remove the hemisphere and then
you can see a small tower

571
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:15,333
with a tube coming off of it.

572
00:27:15,875 --> 00:27:17,833
That tower had a cap on it.

573
00:27:18,458 --> 00:27:21,541
The cap slid off and inside...

574
00:27:22,083 --> 00:27:24,166
was a triangular
piece of a...

575
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,750
...almost copper-colored...
material.

576
00:27:29,041 --> 00:27:31,208
It had little slice marks on it

577
00:27:31,541 --> 00:27:34,625
and that material turned out to
be element 115,

578
00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:38,583
a super heavy element yet
to be discovered at the time.

579
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:40,083
To start up the reactor,
of course,

580
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,000
we need some element 115.

581
00:27:42,166 --> 00:27:44,791
In fact, you need 223 grams,
which is just

582
00:27:44,958 --> 00:27:48,291
under half a pound, machined
into a wedge like this.

583
00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:52,333
And a piece of 115 this size
can be utilized as fuel

584
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,583
for a period of 20 to 30 years.

585
00:27:55,083 --> 00:27:58,958
Element 115's melting point
is 1740 degrees Celsius

586
00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:01,583
and its standard oxidation
state is plus 3.

587
00:28:02,083 --> 00:28:05,708
The atomic radius of 115
is 1.87 angstroms.

588
00:28:06,208 --> 00:28:08,791
The frequency of the carrier
wave for element 115's

589
00:28:08,958 --> 00:28:12,958
gravity A wave is 7.46 hertz
at a one micron bandwidth.

590
00:28:16,416 --> 00:28:18,625
This is the reactor,
and from what

591
00:28:18,791 --> 00:28:21,875
we've been able to determine,
it's what powers the craft.

592
00:28:22,375 --> 00:28:24,000
It's made of several components.

593
00:28:25,083 --> 00:28:26,791
First is a removable hemisphere.

594
00:28:28,875 --> 00:28:30,041
There's a tower,

595
00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:32,500
and we'll call
our drift tube on the side,

596
00:28:32,666 --> 00:28:33,875
a small cap,

597
00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:35,750
that comes off,

598
00:28:36,208 --> 00:28:38,041
and inside the tower...

599
00:28:39,791 --> 00:28:43,166
...is what we think is the fuel,
element 115.

600
00:28:44,125 --> 00:28:46,916
The fuel element is placed
inside the tower,

601
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:49,750
cap is placed on,

602
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:54,125
and then, as soon as the
hemisphere

603
00:28:54,750 --> 00:28:57,083
makes a flat connection
to the base,

604
00:28:57,958 --> 00:29:00,000
it'll create its own
gravitational field.

605
00:29:00,166 --> 00:29:01,333
It becomes operational.

606
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:02,916
It will push your hands away

607
00:29:03,125 --> 00:29:04,833
as soon as that's sat on there.

608
00:29:05,291 --> 00:29:10,083
And the field is--
feels similar to... uh,

609
00:29:10,416 --> 00:29:12,166
like poles of a magnet.

610
00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:14,166
There's some elasticity to it.

611
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:17,958
You could push back on it
as hard as you want,

612
00:29:18,125 --> 00:29:20,750
but-- and a--
a really important thing is

613
00:29:20,916 --> 00:29:24,833
it's not transferring that force
to the base.

614
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,583
Even though this would move,

615
00:29:27,833 --> 00:29:29,500
you can push on the field

616
00:29:29,875 --> 00:29:31,333
and it wouldn't slide this.

617
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,750
I mean, if you had two magnets
with like poles

618
00:29:33,916 --> 00:29:36,541
and you pushed on one,
the other one would go
sliding across the table.

619
00:29:36,708 --> 00:29:38,208
That doesn't happen here.

620
00:29:39,041 --> 00:29:40,875
Through X-rays,
we were able to determine

621
00:29:41,041 --> 00:29:42,625
that there's a hollow tube

622
00:29:43,125 --> 00:29:45,000
that goes around the base.

623
00:29:45,375 --> 00:29:47,666
We assume that's something
like a cyclotron,

624
00:29:48,583 --> 00:29:50,958
where particles are
accelerated around

625
00:29:51,125 --> 00:29:53,291
and there's, if you wanna
call it an off ramp,

626
00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:57,666
is the drift tube, comes up
and interacts in the tower

627
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,333
in some way to produce energy.

628
00:30:00,625 --> 00:30:03,916
Now, this device doesn't produce
any heat at all.

629
00:30:04,125 --> 00:30:08,375
It didn't produce one degree...
of temperature change,

630
00:30:08,541 --> 00:30:10,541
no matter how much load
it was under.

631
00:30:10,833 --> 00:30:12,291
To turn the reactor on...

632
00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:15,333
...the-- all the components
in the craft

633
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:16,958
are connected in some way,

634
00:30:17,125 --> 00:30:18,500
but not physically.

635
00:30:18,875 --> 00:30:21,666
And we really don't know
how that is.

636
00:30:22,333 --> 00:30:25,458
Um, if you take one
of the emitters

637
00:30:25,625 --> 00:30:27,625
and you rotate it
past 20 degrees,

638
00:30:27,916 --> 00:30:29,333
the reactor will turn on,

639
00:30:30,208 --> 00:30:32,500
and you can no longer even
get your hands by it.

640
00:30:33,208 --> 00:30:37,250
Conversely, to turn it off,
rotate... the emitter,

641
00:30:37,583 --> 00:30:38,833
the reactor shuts down.

642
00:30:39,458 --> 00:30:42,375
And assuming that's removing the
load from the reactor,

643
00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:44,083
I think it's just load sensing.

644
00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:47,041
It sees that the emitter and
amplifier wants power

645
00:30:47,333 --> 00:30:49,583
and it turns on, but
the exact mechanism

646
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:52,416
that's taking place there is--
is completely unknown.

647
00:30:53,041 --> 00:30:56,083
So I began to feel the field
about up here.

648
00:30:57,041 --> 00:30:59,666
And at-- at this distance,
there's--

649
00:30:59,833 --> 00:31:02,541
y-- there's no way you're moving
your hands any closer.

650
00:31:03,916 --> 00:31:06,958
But, uh-- I guess the most
amazing thing is

651
00:31:07,208 --> 00:31:10,250
leaning into it,
putting all your force on that,

652
00:31:10,458 --> 00:31:12,375
no-- nothing moves at all.

653
00:31:12,833 --> 00:31:16,083
And when the reactor's off,
you can easily slide it.

654
00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:19,500
You know, so, that's--
that's really impressive.

655
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:24,583
We call this a gravity propelled
craft, a gravity generator.

656
00:31:24,958 --> 00:31:27,541
And we're calling it
that because,

657
00:31:27,916 --> 00:31:30,041
we know what--
we know the effects of gravity.

658
00:31:30,666 --> 00:31:31,916
We know how it works.

659
00:31:32,416 --> 00:31:35,125
Um, we don't know everything
about it, but...

660
00:31:36,041 --> 00:31:38,375
...this produces an effect
similar to gravity.

661
00:31:38,541 --> 00:31:39,708
So we're calling it that

662
00:31:39,875 --> 00:31:41,875
because we don't know of
any other forces

663
00:31:42,416 --> 00:31:43,583
that exist like that.

664
00:31:43,791 --> 00:31:45,583
This could, of course, be

665
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,375
something other than gravity.

666
00:31:47,541 --> 00:31:49,166
This could be a completely
other force

667
00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:51,000
that we're just not
familiar with.

668
00:31:51,166 --> 00:31:53,791
And we're just labeling it,
you know, as gravity propulsion,

669
00:31:53,958 --> 00:31:56,916
a gravity field coming
off of here, uh,

670
00:31:57,083 --> 00:31:58,875
just because that's all
we're familiar with.

671
00:31:59,208 --> 00:32:00,583
Um, but...

672
00:32:01,208 --> 00:32:02,375
keeping that in mind,

673
00:32:02,541 --> 00:32:03,916
we tried to see if it was

674
00:32:04,083 --> 00:32:05,416
possible to shield it

675
00:32:05,875 --> 00:32:08,000
with, uh, different materials.

676
00:32:08,166 --> 00:32:12,333
You know, we tried cardboard,
plastic, metal, everything.

677
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:14,541
And the field-- Eh--

678
00:32:14,708 --> 00:32:16,833
The field
interacts with everything.

679
00:32:17,166 --> 00:32:20,583
Um, and there's nothing really
that shields it.

680
00:32:21,083 --> 00:32:22,958
So... um...

681
00:32:23,541 --> 00:32:25,500
You know, it's-- again, it
behaves like

682
00:32:25,666 --> 00:32:27,250
gravity does, but...

683
00:32:28,166 --> 00:32:29,916
...it could certainly be
something else.

684
00:32:30,291 --> 00:32:32,291
[suspenseful music]

685
00:32:32,458 --> 00:32:35,291
Part of the fear was based
in the fact that

686
00:32:35,458 --> 00:32:37,791
they had said I was
replacing somebody

687
00:32:37,958 --> 00:32:39,458
that was killed in the project.

688
00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:43,583
They were being pressed to
produce some results.

689
00:32:44,333 --> 00:32:46,833
And, I think,
from what I understand,

690
00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:49,833
-they cut into an
operating reactor
-[torch hissing]

691
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,625
-[loud explosion]
-and it detonated.

692
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:57,666
It's not like it was a--

693
00:32:58,291 --> 00:33:00,708
you know, a research project
where you're--

694
00:33:01,041 --> 00:33:02,375
you're really into it.

695
00:33:02,708 --> 00:33:06,250
It was-- it was exactly like
disarming a bomb...

696
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:08,333
...every single day.

697
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:11,000
That's what it was like,
because, a-- once again,

698
00:33:11,166 --> 00:33:13,083
we had no idea what
we were working with.

699
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:16,750
And we were working with
absolutely tremendous

700
00:33:16,916 --> 00:33:18,666
amounts of energy,

701
00:33:18,833 --> 00:33:22,458
tremendous amounts of power,
in very condensed sources.

702
00:33:22,833 --> 00:33:24,166
The slightest wrong move

703
00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:26,333
could release a tremendous
amount of energy.

704
00:33:28,208 --> 00:33:29,375
[music fades]

705
00:33:30,416 --> 00:33:32,250
[ominous sci-fi music]

706
00:33:32,625 --> 00:33:34,625
So as part of our investigation,

707
00:33:34,791 --> 00:33:36,708
we go through all the
normal protocols.

708
00:33:36,875 --> 00:33:39,000
We contact the U.S. Air Force
at Nellis.

709
00:33:39,166 --> 00:33:41,166
I'm asking questions
about Area 51.

710
00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:42,791
They won't answer any.

711
00:33:42,958 --> 00:33:45,625
Um, later on, I asked them
about a place called S4.

712
00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:47,708
I called the
Nellis Air Force Base,

713
00:33:47,875 --> 00:33:49,833
with their public
information office,

714
00:33:50,041 --> 00:33:51,875
somebody I had got to know
over the years,

715
00:33:52,041 --> 00:33:54,250
"Do you have any place
called S4

716
00:33:54,583 --> 00:33:55,541
on the Nellis Range?"

717
00:33:55,708 --> 00:33:57,083
And the answer was yes.

718
00:33:57,291 --> 00:33:59,041
And in fact, they said
there's more than one.

719
00:33:59,541 --> 00:34:01,583
I said "Can you tell us
where it is?" "No."

720
00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:03,916
"Can you tell us
what goes on there?" "No."

721
00:34:04,666 --> 00:34:06,041
"But it's real?" "Yes."

722
00:34:06,208 --> 00:34:07,625
And I asked them about
Papoose Lake.

723
00:34:07,791 --> 00:34:09,583
"You got anything there?"
"No. Absolutely not."

724
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:13,166
"Nothing, ever." And I'd asked
people who worked out there,

725
00:34:13,416 --> 00:34:16,958
anything at S4,
Papoose Lake. "Never, ever.

726
00:34:17,541 --> 00:34:19,750
We don't even have a way to get
there. There's nothing there."

727
00:34:20,333 --> 00:34:21,791
I knew that was not true.

728
00:34:22,041 --> 00:34:23,875
You know, we eventually got
some satellite photos

729
00:34:24,041 --> 00:34:26,958
that showed us there's a road
from Groom down to Papoose.

730
00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:28,833
Why do you build a
road down there to

731
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,625
a place that doesn't exist
and there's nothing there?

732
00:34:31,791 --> 00:34:34,083
The S4 installation is built
into the mountain,

733
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:36,041
and the hangar doors are
built on an angle

734
00:34:36,208 --> 00:34:38,041
commensurate with
the slope of the mountain.

735
00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:40,708
These doors are covered with
a sand textured coating

736
00:34:40,875 --> 00:34:43,500
to blend in with the side
of the mountain and
the desert floor.

737
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:45,833
-So here's the entrance,
right here.
-Okay.

738
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,583
This is-- this is
the area where the--
the hangar doors are.

739
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:51,208
-[Lazar] Mm-hmm.
-[man] And then this is,
let's say,

740
00:34:51,375 --> 00:34:53,083
the side door, where
the mouse is here.

741
00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:57,083
And as of the f--
25th of June 2024,

742
00:34:57,541 --> 00:35:01,458
the terrain here is so, let's
call it beige or yellow,

743
00:35:01,625 --> 00:35:03,583
-[Lazar] Mm-hmm.
-which was not like that.

744
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:07,583
Because if I click
on the timeline,

745
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:09,958
-you can go back in
time in Google Earth.
-[Lazar] Mm-hmm.

746
00:35:10,125 --> 00:35:12,708
[man]
So... if I go just one notch,

747
00:35:12,875 --> 00:35:14,250
-[Lazar] Mm.
-look at-- look at the
difference

748
00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:15,250
-in color of the terrain.
-[Lazar] Yeah, yeah-

749
00:35:15,416 --> 00:35:16,958
That's the actual color.

750
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:23,125
And in the-- the 2022 version
of the satellite imagery,

751
00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:25,916
you actually see detail here.

752
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:29,125
And if you get closer, you get--
you even see

753
00:35:29,291 --> 00:35:30,958
-the Joshua trees and all that.
-[Lazar] Mm-hmm.

754
00:35:31,125 --> 00:35:34,250
[man] But if I bring
this back to the latest,

755
00:35:34,416 --> 00:35:37,000
-look how--
Everything disappeared.
-[Lazar] Everything disappears.

756
00:35:37,166 --> 00:35:39,541
[man]
Which is clearly intentional.

757
00:35:39,708 --> 00:35:42,166
But what it did is

758
00:35:42,458 --> 00:35:44,958
you no longer-- so, you can
actually fade-- zoom out

759
00:35:45,125 --> 00:35:46,666
you'll see this beige--

760
00:35:46,833 --> 00:35:48,500
-Look how they--
-Oh, wow!

761
00:35:48,666 --> 00:35:49,875
Isn't that in-- interesting?

762
00:35:50,041 --> 00:35:51,750
[mumbles] Interesting.

763
00:35:51,916 --> 00:35:53,083
-It's unbelievably intentional.
-It's-- it's unbelievable.

764
00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:55,416
Look how incredibly--

765
00:35:55,583 --> 00:35:58,250
-look how they
identified that area.
-Let's just pick

766
00:35:58,416 --> 00:35:59,916
-Papoose Lake and fuck it up
-Yeah, did you-- you saw that?

767
00:36:00,083 --> 00:36:01,583
-so you can't see anything.
-Yeah. So

768
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:03,708
-look at that.
-[Lazar] Yeah. It's just S4.

769
00:36:03,875 --> 00:36:04,916
[man] Exactly.

770
00:36:05,416 --> 00:36:07,583
-[scoffs]
-Isn't that something?

771
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:09,750
-Yeah.
-So now their mistake

772
00:36:10,166 --> 00:36:16,000
is that as we zoom into
their washed out terrain

773
00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:19,666
around the Papoose area
and about-- and around S4,

774
00:36:19,958 --> 00:36:23,541
their new filter,
that they put in there

775
00:36:23,708 --> 00:36:25,708
allows us to see...

776
00:36:26,041 --> 00:36:27,708
-[Lazar] All right. Mm-hmm.
-the tracks,

777
00:36:27,875 --> 00:36:29,791
-which you couldn't see earlier.
-[Lazar] Mm.

778
00:36:29,958 --> 00:36:33,500
So now you have this
incredibly clear--

779
00:36:33,666 --> 00:36:35,875
[Lazar] Yeah, they say where
no one ever drives, it's,

780
00:36:36,041 --> 00:36:37,583
-it's to-- Yeah.
-[man stutters] Yeah.

781
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:41,750
And so you even have on
bordering the terrain area

782
00:36:41,916 --> 00:36:43,500
and the actual dry lake,

783
00:36:43,791 --> 00:36:45,875
if you get really close, you can

784
00:36:46,041 --> 00:36:47,708
-[Lazar] Yeah, yeah.
-actually see the tracks.

785
00:36:47,875 --> 00:36:49,791
[Lazar] Yeah, well, yeah, we
drove right along that dry lake.

786
00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:52,125
That's unquestionably
where we were.

787
00:36:55,166 --> 00:36:57,083
[man]
And so, interestingly,

788
00:36:57,250 --> 00:36:59,583
we see the tracks,
which are literally

789
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,500
-right by S4.
-[Lazar] Yeah.

790
00:37:01,666 --> 00:37:03,791
[man] And then if you
go to this other road,

791
00:37:03,958 --> 00:37:05,541
-see, there's
a little road here.
-[Lazar] Mm-hmm.

792
00:37:05,708 --> 00:37:09,250
[man] Okay, which is
very near S4 and we go here.

793
00:37:09,416 --> 00:37:11,833
You can clearly see the tracks,
look at them

794
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,708
-going in every direction,
-[Lazar] Yeah, yeah.

795
00:37:13,875 --> 00:37:15,541
and you--
look at all the-- the traffic.

796
00:37:15,708 --> 00:37:17,125
-[Lazar] Yeah.
-[man] Right?

797
00:37:17,291 --> 00:37:18,791
[Lazar] Yeah, that's not one guy
driving around.

798
00:37:18,958 --> 00:37:20,500
[man] No, that's not
one guy dri-- exactly, so...

799
00:37:20,666 --> 00:37:22,708
[Lazar] Again, there's
no public out there.

800
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,125
So, what are you doing? Yeah.

801
00:37:25,291 --> 00:37:26,875
[man] This is Google Earth,
so it's not like we're--

802
00:37:27,041 --> 00:37:28,791
we're making this up.
This is online.

803
00:37:28,958 --> 00:37:31,416
Anybody can actually go there
and actually do the timeline.

804
00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:35,041
'Cause if I just click here
on 2022...

805
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:36,958
Oop, just let me do that.

806
00:37:37,166 --> 00:37:38,416
-There. There you go.
-[Lazar] Yeah.

807
00:37:38,583 --> 00:37:40,083
[man]
It's-- it's back to normal.

808
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:43,416
And now you can actually
see... the terrain.

809
00:37:43,875 --> 00:37:46,583
Now we'll go into the more
interesting part

810
00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:47,833
where...

811
00:37:48,708 --> 00:37:50,291
there's a
series of photographs.

812
00:37:50,458 --> 00:37:53,458
We already had gone through
this, about a year ago.

813
00:37:53,625 --> 00:37:56,250
And there was a person who had

814
00:37:56,416 --> 00:37:59,541
flown into the restricted
airspace out there

815
00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:03,125
and had a very good quality
camera on board

816
00:38:03,291 --> 00:38:05,541
-Mm-hmm.
-of his private plane,

817
00:38:05,875 --> 00:38:09,416
and snapped about
eight to 900 images

818
00:38:09,583 --> 00:38:12,291
of Area 51,
the Groom Lake facility,

819
00:38:12,458 --> 00:38:15,750
Papoose mountain range,
Papoose Lake and all that area.

820
00:38:15,916 --> 00:38:18,833
And-- and did
an incredible tour.

821
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,708
He even had the Nevada test site
where there's all the craters

822
00:38:21,875 --> 00:38:23,291
of all the bombs that blew up.

823
00:38:24,041 --> 00:38:28,208
And there's this picture,
that is publicly available.

824
00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:31,750
It's been publicly available
now for over five years.

825
00:38:31,916 --> 00:38:36,666
And this is a picture that was
taken at about 17 miles

826
00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:39,625
from the Papoose Lake area,

827
00:38:39,791 --> 00:38:42,208
where the hill is located, where

828
00:38:42,375 --> 00:38:44,416
you said S4 was located.

829
00:38:44,583 --> 00:38:47,333
Initially, the picture
was utilized

830
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:49,916
by a whole bunch of
people online saying,

831
00:38:50,083 --> 00:38:53,833
"As you can see, whatever
Bob Lazar said was untrue.

832
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,375
-There's nothing there."
-Mm-hmm.

833
00:38:55,541 --> 00:38:58,000
Obviously... the picture
doesn't show anything.

834
00:38:58,166 --> 00:39:02,041
Well, all you have to do is
play with the contrast,

835
00:39:02,208 --> 00:39:03,333
play with the-- the--

836
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:05,083
-the levels in the image.
-Mm-hmm.

837
00:39:05,708 --> 00:39:07,458
[man]
And if you look carefully

838
00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:10,125
in this version here,
where it's--

839
00:39:10,291 --> 00:39:11,916
the contrast has been changed,

840
00:39:12,458 --> 00:39:14,041
the-- as we zoom...

841
00:39:16,291 --> 00:39:18,583
-...look what you see.
-[Lazar] Yeah, you can start
seeing, uh...

842
00:39:19,708 --> 00:39:21,375
-[man] You see them
clearly right there.
-[Lazar] Yeah.

843
00:39:21,541 --> 00:39:24,125
Yeah, the slanted
rectangular doors, yeah.

844
00:39:24,375 --> 00:39:26,291
[man] And what's
really interesting about it

845
00:39:26,583 --> 00:39:28,291
is that if you look carefully...

846
00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:30,625
[Lazar] They're like they're--
I mean, they're made

847
00:39:30,791 --> 00:39:32,583
to not be visible.

848
00:39:32,791 --> 00:39:35,416
-Yeah.
-So yeah, you wouldn't
expect them,

849
00:39:35,583 --> 00:39:37,666
on a normal photo to show up.

850
00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:39,958
I mean, they're trying to hide
them from satellite photos.

851
00:39:40,125 --> 00:39:43,666
So, but, um, yeah, this seems to
be an effective way

852
00:39:43,833 --> 00:39:45,875
of bringing that resolution out.

853
00:39:46,041 --> 00:39:47,958
[man]
And if you look carefully,

854
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:52,250
the first one is slightly wider.

855
00:39:52,708 --> 00:39:55,125
-Oh, that's a good point.
That's a big hangar.
-Then, that's--

856
00:39:55,291 --> 00:39:57,083
Yeah. Hey,
that's a really good point.

857
00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:59,208
-Look at that.
-Yeah, you can actually see it.

858
00:39:59,375 --> 00:40:00,333
-Yeah.
-Look at the difference

859
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:01,750
between the-- the first one

860
00:40:01,916 --> 00:40:03,125
and the second and the third.

861
00:40:03,291 --> 00:40:04,833
-Yeah! I've never seen that.
-Yeah.

862
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,458
-Yeah. That's--
That's pretty cool.
-Yeah.

863
00:40:06,625 --> 00:40:08,958
So it doesn't provide
the world evidence that

864
00:40:09,125 --> 00:40:10,625
there were flying saucers there

865
00:40:10,791 --> 00:40:12,166
-or it doesn't say--
-No, of course not.

866
00:40:12,333 --> 00:40:15,333
Yeah. But it-- it is
incredibly interesting

867
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:19,208
that the image shows pretty much
exactly what you had said

868
00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:21,041
-[Lazar] Mm-hmm.
-in 1989.

869
00:40:21,333 --> 00:40:25,083
And if you hadn't been there,
and you hadn't seen that,

870
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:28,750
then you predicted something
that was pretty amazing.

871
00:40:28,916 --> 00:40:31,625
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you could say
that about a lot of stuff.

872
00:40:31,791 --> 00:40:33,333
I said-- yeah, yeah, right.

873
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,541
Everything I say just happens
to be the way it is.

874
00:40:36,708 --> 00:40:39,833
But, uh, yeah, that's--
that's fascinating.

875
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,041
[reflective music]

876
00:40:49,833 --> 00:40:51,166
[music fades]

877
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,041
[engine roaring]

878
00:40:55,958 --> 00:40:57,250
[sharp bang]

879
00:40:58,125 --> 00:40:59,375
[sharp bang]

880
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:01,333
[sharp bang]

881
00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:05,416
[sharp bang]

882
00:41:06,541 --> 00:41:07,791
[sharp bang]

883
00:41:09,291 --> 00:41:12,500
[Lazar] The second time
I went out to the site,

884
00:41:12,875 --> 00:41:15,875
the bus, as it arrived
at the S4 facility

885
00:41:16,041 --> 00:41:18,916
did not make the left turn
and slowed down.

886
00:41:19,208 --> 00:41:22,291
It stopped in front of the hill.

887
00:41:22,625 --> 00:41:25,750
And when I got out of the bus
and walked around to the front,

888
00:41:25,916 --> 00:41:29,458
I can see a full view
of where we were working.

889
00:41:29,625 --> 00:41:33,833
And this time I can see there
was a large hangar door open

890
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,791
in the side of the hill.

891
00:41:36,083 --> 00:41:38,708
Inside the hangar door... was...

892
00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:41,750
the sport model,
the flying saucer.

893
00:41:41,916 --> 00:41:43,958
[eerie synth music]

894
00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:04,708
[music fades]

895
00:42:04,875 --> 00:42:06,333
The first thing that went
through my mind is,

896
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:09,625
"Well, this explains all
the silly UFO reports

897
00:42:09,791 --> 00:42:12,166
where we are making
a secret fighter

898
00:42:12,333 --> 00:42:14,083
that's in the shape
of a flying saucer.

899
00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:16,708
And... that's all
there is to it."

900
00:42:17,583 --> 00:42:21,958
We walked into the hangar and
I was instructed to walk

901
00:42:22,125 --> 00:42:24,083
with my eyes forward and

902
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:26,458
just enter the door at
the end of the hangar.

903
00:42:26,666 --> 00:42:29,125
I slid my hand along
the side of the craft,

904
00:42:29,291 --> 00:42:32,166
got reprimanded right
away for doing that.

905
00:42:32,458 --> 00:42:36,458
But the craft itself had a part
of the hatch was removed, or...

906
00:42:36,916 --> 00:42:38,583
I guess it's the entire hatch.

907
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:41,875
And you could see
right next to the hatch,

908
00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:45,500
there was a backwards
American flag stuck on there.

909
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:47,791
Again, that kind of cemented
into my mind,

910
00:42:47,958 --> 00:42:49,625
"Well, this is an
American product."

911
00:42:49,916 --> 00:42:51,541
Why they put the backwards
American flag

912
00:42:51,708 --> 00:42:52,916
on there, I'll never know.

913
00:42:53,083 --> 00:42:55,500
But, um, anyway, we continued in

914
00:42:55,833 --> 00:42:58,791
and, uh, I went into the lab
from there.

915
00:42:58,958 --> 00:43:02,250
But that was the first time I
ever had contact with the craft.

916
00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:04,708
[suspenseful music]

917
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:07,458
[otherworldly hum]

918
00:43:07,625 --> 00:43:09,750
Barry was showing me how, uh,

919
00:43:09,916 --> 00:43:12,166
the field comes out
of the emitter

920
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:13,916
and what it can do.

921
00:43:14,416 --> 00:43:17,125
And he took a
regular kitchen candle,

922
00:43:17,291 --> 00:43:20,125
lit it, and he put it
near the mouth

923
00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:22,083
of the, uh-- the emitter.

924
00:43:22,541 --> 00:43:23,625
And...

925
00:43:24,125 --> 00:43:25,916
when he rotated the emitter...

926
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,583
...the flame stopped flickering.

927
00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:31,541
It just stood like it was a
photograph of itself.

928
00:43:31,791 --> 00:43:33,166
Barry said, you know,

929
00:43:33,333 --> 00:43:35,041
"What do you think is
unusual about that?"

930
00:43:35,208 --> 00:43:37,791
I said, "Aside from the fact the
candle's not moving anymore?"

931
00:43:38,083 --> 00:43:39,750
And he said,
"Just think about it."

932
00:43:40,708 --> 00:43:42,125
I said, "Yeah, it's still

933
00:43:42,291 --> 00:43:44,000
emitting light,
and it's not moving.

934
00:43:44,166 --> 00:43:46,250
So the photons
are still moving."

935
00:43:46,416 --> 00:43:48,166
But again, if it's
a gravity wave

936
00:43:48,333 --> 00:43:50,208
coming out of there,
gravity bends light.

937
00:43:50,375 --> 00:43:51,875
It should look distorted.

938
00:43:52,041 --> 00:43:54,208
I should-- I should either
not be able to see it

939
00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:58,333
or the whole image of it
gets bent or distorted, but,

940
00:43:58,625 --> 00:44:01,208
how can the flame stop moving

941
00:44:01,625 --> 00:44:04,875
and it still be emitting
light without any distortion?

942
00:44:05,041 --> 00:44:08,666
So, these are some of the things
that really made me think,

943
00:44:09,458 --> 00:44:10,833
"It's not a gravity wave.

944
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,958
There's something else
'cause it's not behaving

945
00:44:13,125 --> 00:44:15,125
exactly like that."

946
00:44:15,666 --> 00:44:19,250
So-- and also he
removed the candle

947
00:44:19,416 --> 00:44:21,833
and then rotated the emitter.

948
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,083
I don't know if it was
another direction

949
00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:24,541
or more of the same way,

950
00:44:24,791 --> 00:44:27,416
but it made a little
black ball in the air

951
00:44:27,583 --> 00:44:29,458
where no light was
esca-- escaping,

952
00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:31,083
looking like a little
black hole.

953
00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,875
But no, you could just tell
there was no light

954
00:44:34,291 --> 00:44:36,416
at the focal point,
right in the air.

955
00:44:36,583 --> 00:44:38,250
It was just, uh, a dark area.

956
00:44:38,791 --> 00:44:40,791
So there it's affecting light,

957
00:44:41,666 --> 00:44:43,916
but it wasn't in the
candle test before that.

958
00:44:44,083 --> 00:44:46,000
So, it-- [stutters]

959
00:44:46,166 --> 00:44:49,416
it's a really unusual,
unusual thing.

960
00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:56,666
One time in particular that we
got somewhat mischievous,

961
00:44:56,833 --> 00:45:01,375
we had a reactor operating
and the field

962
00:45:01,666 --> 00:45:05,291
that develops around it
is somewhat elastic.

963
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:08,333
So, you can take and try and

964
00:45:08,666 --> 00:45:12,041
push on the hemisphere with your
hands and you can't--

965
00:45:12,583 --> 00:45:14,791
can't touch it. It repels like--

966
00:45:15,041 --> 00:45:17,875
like poles of a magnet,
but somewhat elastic.

967
00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:21,583
So, to demonstrate this,
Barry had a golf ball.

968
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,333
He threw it at the reactor,
and it didn't hit it.

969
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:29,125
It rebounded off and then
knocked the ceiling tile loose,

970
00:45:29,291 --> 00:45:31,375
which we immediately panicked

971
00:45:31,541 --> 00:45:33,541
because we knew Dennis
was coming back in.

972
00:45:33,708 --> 00:45:36,666
So we had to scramble to replace
the ceiling tile and

973
00:45:36,958 --> 00:45:38,625
clean up all the little
fragments of

974
00:45:38,791 --> 00:45:40,333
particles that dislodged
from it.

975
00:45:43,375 --> 00:45:46,500
I heard it a couple times
"Meet me in the big hangar."

976
00:45:46,666 --> 00:45:49,875
And I don't remember if
it was Dennis or Barry

977
00:45:50,083 --> 00:45:52,916
that also referred to where
the sport model was.

978
00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:55,375
That hangar was the big hangar.

979
00:45:55,833 --> 00:45:57,375
The hangar that housed
the sport model

980
00:45:57,541 --> 00:45:59,083
was like a typical
airplane hangar

981
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:00,541
with the exception
of the angled

982
00:46:00,708 --> 00:46:02,166
doors that
I mentioned before.

983
00:46:02,333 --> 00:46:03,791
This hangar was equipped
with typical tools

984
00:46:03,958 --> 00:46:05,750
and extensive electronic
equipment.

985
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:08,333
It also had a machine with
an X-ray emblem on it

986
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:11,041
and an overhead crane
rated at 20,000 pounds.

987
00:46:11,416 --> 00:46:14,166
Equipment in this hangar was
marked with a black number 41

988
00:46:14,333 --> 00:46:15,833
with a white circle around it.

989
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:19,791
Well, the hangar was lit by
mercury vapor lights.

990
00:46:20,166 --> 00:46:21,750
I don't--
cone-shaped lights.

991
00:46:21,916 --> 00:46:24,125
There was a countless number
of them on the ceiling.

992
00:46:24,291 --> 00:46:28,375
Um, in addition to those, there
were, uh, tripod halogen lights,

993
00:46:28,541 --> 00:46:30,250
dual head halogen lights set up.

994
00:46:30,458 --> 00:46:32,625
And those really provided
a lot of bright light

995
00:46:32,791 --> 00:46:34,250
for working close up and,

996
00:46:34,583 --> 00:46:36,250
uh... [stutters]
those were a lot more

997
00:46:36,416 --> 00:46:37,875
useful than the overhead lights.

998
00:46:40,166 --> 00:46:41,625
I had at least partial views

999
00:46:41,791 --> 00:46:44,083
of the nine different discs
out at S4.

1000
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,666
But the one I'm going to
describe to you now

1001
00:46:46,875 --> 00:46:48,583
is the one in which
I not only saw

1002
00:46:48,750 --> 00:46:50,541
two of the three
interior levels,

1003
00:46:51,083 --> 00:46:53,375
but I also saw it fully
functional in flight.

1004
00:46:53,916 --> 00:46:57,125
This particular disc appeared
to be in excellent condition.

1005
00:46:57,375 --> 00:46:58,791
And because of its
sleek appearance,

1006
00:46:58,958 --> 00:47:00,625
I nicknamed it
"The sport model."

1007
00:47:01,666 --> 00:47:04,083
Now, previously I had estimated
the sport model to be

1008
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:06,750
about 15 feet high and
about 40 feet wide.

1009
00:47:06,958 --> 00:47:09,583
But since then I've
enlisted some expert help

1010
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:11,375
from the field of
computer imaging.

1011
00:47:11,625 --> 00:47:13,500
And together we've
scaled the disc up

1012
00:47:13,666 --> 00:47:16,333
from the size of components
which I had a close look at

1013
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,250
and could accurately
establish their actual size.

1014
00:47:19,541 --> 00:47:22,166
From this analysis
I'm now presenting to you

1015
00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:24,375
the most accurate
information I can convey

1016
00:47:24,541 --> 00:47:26,625
regarding the disc's
physical structure.

1017
00:47:26,833 --> 00:47:28,750
The sport model is 16 feet tall

1018
00:47:28,916 --> 00:47:31,416
and 52 feet 9 inches
in diameter.

1019
00:47:32,375 --> 00:47:34,125
The exterior skin of
the disc is metal,

1020
00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:36,625
which is the color of
unpolished stainless steel.

1021
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:39,875
The sport model sits on its
belly when it's not energized

1022
00:47:40,041 --> 00:47:42,458
and not the stereotypical
tripod legs

1023
00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:45,791
that folklore usually
associates with
this type of craft.

1024
00:47:46,666 --> 00:47:48,166
As you can see the entry hatch

1025
00:47:48,333 --> 00:47:50,500
is located on the upper
half of the disc

1026
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:52,750
with just the bottom
portion of the door

1027
00:47:52,916 --> 00:47:54,875
wrapping around the
center lip of the disc.

1028
00:47:55,333 --> 00:47:58,166
The interior of the disc is
divided into three levels.

1029
00:47:58,750 --> 00:48:01,250
The lower level is where
the three gravity emitters

1030
00:48:01,416 --> 00:48:03,250
and their wave guides
are located.

1031
00:48:04,625 --> 00:48:05,958
These are the
integral components

1032
00:48:06,125 --> 00:48:07,708
of the propulsion system

1033
00:48:07,875 --> 00:48:10,541
that are used to amplify
and focus the gravity "A" wave.

1034
00:48:10,875 --> 00:48:14,291
The reactor is located
directly above the three
gravity emitters

1035
00:48:14,458 --> 00:48:17,500
on the center level, and is in
fact, centered between them.

1036
00:48:18,083 --> 00:48:20,458
The center level of the disc
houses the amplifier heads

1037
00:48:20,625 --> 00:48:22,708
as well as the seats which
were too small and

1038
00:48:22,875 --> 00:48:24,458
too low to the floor
to be functional

1039
00:48:24,625 --> 00:48:25,875
for adult human beings.

1040
00:48:26,166 --> 00:48:27,750
The walls of the
center level are all

1041
00:48:27,916 --> 00:48:29,583
divided into archways.

1042
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:32,041
At one point in time when
the disc was energized

1043
00:48:32,333 --> 00:48:34,375
one of the archways
became transparent

1044
00:48:34,541 --> 00:48:36,666
and you could see
the area outside of it,

1045
00:48:36,916 --> 00:48:39,000
just as if the archway
was a window.

1046
00:48:39,541 --> 00:48:41,041
Then a form of writing,

1047
00:48:41,208 --> 00:48:43,125
which was unlike any
alphabetic, scientific,

1048
00:48:43,291 --> 00:48:45,250
or mathematical symbols
I've ever seen,

1049
00:48:45,416 --> 00:48:48,458
began to appear on one side
of the transparent archway.

1050
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:51,291
I was never given access to
the upper level of the disc

1051
00:48:51,458 --> 00:48:54,708
so I can't enlighten you as to
what the porthole-like
areas are

1052
00:48:54,916 --> 00:48:57,291
other than that, I can assure
you, they're not portholes.

1053
00:49:00,583 --> 00:49:03,125
Any time... I was in
the big hangar

1054
00:49:03,291 --> 00:49:06,750
my eyes were always focused
right on the sport model.

1055
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:10,208
There could have been fires
going on on either side of me

1056
00:49:10,375 --> 00:49:13,041
and I would still have been
looking at it.

1057
00:49:13,458 --> 00:49:15,500
It-- It was that captivating.

1058
00:49:16,083 --> 00:49:17,875
When I was close to
the sport model,

1059
00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:21,000
I really focused on
the skin of the craft.

1060
00:49:21,416 --> 00:49:24,000
What it looked like,
how it changed, the color.

1061
00:49:24,833 --> 00:49:28,041
It has a small antenna looking
device which is actually

1062
00:49:28,208 --> 00:49:30,500
a waveguide, that protrudes
from the top.

1063
00:49:30,833 --> 00:49:33,458
It is like a pewter gray
in color.

1064
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:35,208
It appears to be metal.

1065
00:49:35,375 --> 00:49:37,083
I felt it. It's cold.

1066
00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:40,500
It may not be. It might be some
advanced ceramic of some type.

1067
00:49:42,041 --> 00:49:44,333
So the body of the craft
had ripples.

1068
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,500
The-- one of them we call
the insulation ring.

1069
00:49:47,708 --> 00:49:49,583
It was a dark black color.

1070
00:49:49,958 --> 00:49:51,583
The only thing on the outside

1071
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:53,708
that was a different color
than the craft.

1072
00:49:53,958 --> 00:49:55,541
We call it the insulation
ring because

1073
00:49:55,708 --> 00:49:57,708
when the craft is in operation

1074
00:49:58,166 --> 00:50:00,750
there is a high voltage
detectable on--

1075
00:50:01,291 --> 00:50:02,666
on the skin of the craft,

1076
00:50:02,958 --> 00:50:05,833
but that high voltage is not
present above that ring.

1077
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:09,375
The upper part of the craft
above the insulation ring

1078
00:50:09,583 --> 00:50:11,500
were what we call
the planar arrays.

1079
00:50:11,666 --> 00:50:15,791
Flat window-looking,
porthole-looking openings
in the craft.

1080
00:50:15,958 --> 00:50:18,375
They-- they were unusually dark.

1081
00:50:18,583 --> 00:50:22,333
Really dark. Almost looked like
holes, although there weren't.

1082
00:50:23,208 --> 00:50:27,083
It was theorized that they were
used to determine the craft's

1083
00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:28,750
location in space.

1084
00:50:28,958 --> 00:50:31,666
Each one of them,
looking out in space

1085
00:50:31,833 --> 00:50:35,250
apparently looking at star
positions or whatever e--

1086
00:50:35,541 --> 00:50:38,750
energy or light it uses to
locate its place.

1087
00:50:38,916 --> 00:50:42,375
Each one looking in a
different direction and then

1088
00:50:42,625 --> 00:50:44,750
some sort of computer, uh,

1089
00:50:44,916 --> 00:50:47,416
in the upper level that
takes that data

1090
00:50:47,875 --> 00:50:50,291
and figures out its location.

1091
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,083
Again, I may be
completely wrong,

1092
00:50:54,458 --> 00:50:56,500
or the people that came up with
that may be completely wrong

1093
00:50:56,666 --> 00:50:59,125
but I would agree with that
just looking at it, that--

1094
00:50:59,750 --> 00:51:02,500
that it has to be something
along those lines.

1095
00:51:02,958 --> 00:51:04,166
I walked up to the stairs

1096
00:51:04,333 --> 00:51:06,041
that led to the entrance
of the craft.

1097
00:51:06,875 --> 00:51:10,208
I remember, climbing the stairs,
how excited I was,

1098
00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:13,625
to finally get to see
what's inside the craft.

1099
00:51:15,041 --> 00:51:17,875
When I got to the top of the
stairs I can clearly see

1100
00:51:18,041 --> 00:51:20,166
the reversed American flag
to my left.

1101
00:51:20,958 --> 00:51:23,333
The hatchway is
fairly small and I put

1102
00:51:23,666 --> 00:51:27,250
my hands on both sides of
it to bend down to go inside

1103
00:51:27,583 --> 00:51:30,291
and when I did, my hand was near

1104
00:51:30,791 --> 00:51:33,666
the reversed American flag so
I noticed the exact size,

1105
00:51:33,833 --> 00:51:36,958
it was just a little more than
a span, a little more than

1106
00:51:37,375 --> 00:51:39,291
you know, as far as
my fingers stretched

1107
00:51:39,458 --> 00:51:42,875
and I glanced down and
looked at the security guard

1108
00:51:43,041 --> 00:51:45,958
who was staring at me and
just kind of gave him a smile,

1109
00:51:46,416 --> 00:51:48,875
and, you know,
proceeded into the craft.

1110
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:51,291
[ominous, sci-fi music]

1111
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,875
I was shocked at how sparse the
inside of the craft was.

1112
00:52:03,291 --> 00:52:06,291
Everything was the same color,
the same texture,

1113
00:52:06,750 --> 00:52:09,083
and it all appeared to be
the same material.

1114
00:52:09,416 --> 00:52:12,708
Virtually everything had a
radius of curvature to it

1115
00:52:12,916 --> 00:52:15,125
and everything looked like
it was molded together,

1116
00:52:15,375 --> 00:52:17,208
with the exception
of the reactor.

1117
00:52:17,416 --> 00:52:19,583
Even though there were
two tripod lights set up

1118
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:22,500
inside the craft,
it was still very dark.

1119
00:52:23,291 --> 00:52:25,375
I've often described the
interior of the craft

1120
00:52:25,541 --> 00:52:27,166
as being very ominous.

1121
00:52:28,875 --> 00:52:30,625
I got to look inside and it had

1122
00:52:31,166 --> 00:52:33,958
really small chairs and
I think that was the first...

1123
00:52:34,833 --> 00:52:37,458
...confirmation I had,
that was just a shocking thing

1124
00:52:37,625 --> 00:52:40,125
because it-- every time before
that I was able to label it

1125
00:52:40,291 --> 00:52:41,416
"Well this is just...

1126
00:52:42,875 --> 00:52:44,458
...oh, a little advance that
a group of

1127
00:52:44,625 --> 00:52:46,166
scientists had
formed and, you know, they're

1128
00:52:46,333 --> 00:52:47,916
keeping it secret"
and, "Yeah, we could have built

1129
00:52:48,083 --> 00:52:49,958
a big disc like that,
that's no problem and

1130
00:52:50,125 --> 00:52:52,583
you know, we could have adapted
these to make it fly," but...

1131
00:52:53,625 --> 00:52:55,166
...why does it have little
furniture inside?

1132
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:57,041
Essentially a little seat
and now and it--

1133
00:52:57,458 --> 00:53:00,083
And things began to click
together just all too fast.

1134
00:53:01,583 --> 00:53:03,916
I was in there with
my lab partner Barry

1135
00:53:04,458 --> 00:53:08,041
and there was also another team
working elsewhere in the craft.

1136
00:53:08,833 --> 00:53:11,458
While going over
the reactor placement

1137
00:53:11,625 --> 00:53:14,375
Barry drew my attention
to the archways

1138
00:53:14,583 --> 00:53:16,625
that all surrounded
the interior of the craft

1139
00:53:16,791 --> 00:53:19,916
explaining they were hollow,
and actually waveguides.

1140
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:21,791
The waveguide, which...

1141
00:53:22,125 --> 00:53:25,208
terminates, is the antenna
looking object from the top.

1142
00:53:25,666 --> 00:53:29,333
Yeah, that kind of folds
down on itself so it

1143
00:53:29,833 --> 00:53:33,125
extends and retracts and that
sits on the top of the reactor

1144
00:53:33,291 --> 00:53:37,708
that essentially channels
the gravity wave up there

1145
00:53:37,916 --> 00:53:40,500
and into the superstructure
around the craft

1146
00:53:40,666 --> 00:53:42,416
so it's dispersed evenly.

1147
00:53:42,833 --> 00:53:45,416
While we were working
next to the reactor

1148
00:53:45,625 --> 00:53:48,333
I got a really good look
at the three seats

1149
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,375
or what we assumed to be seats,

1150
00:53:50,541 --> 00:53:54,708
that were far too small to be
usable by an adult human.

1151
00:53:56,291 --> 00:53:58,291
You know, if you look
at the seats

1152
00:53:58,458 --> 00:54:00,583
what I call the seats,
the placement,

1153
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:03,041
one of them,
the waveguide in the reactor

1154
00:54:03,208 --> 00:54:05,666
is directly in front of a seat.

1155
00:54:07,541 --> 00:54:09,583
-[mumbles]
-Why would you ever do that?

1156
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:13,000
I mean, either... [chuckles]
the guy that sits in that seat

1157
00:54:13,166 --> 00:54:15,750
-is on reactor watch and
he just sits there and
-[chuckles]

1158
00:54:15,916 --> 00:54:17,791
makes sure everything
runs the all but...

1159
00:54:18,125 --> 00:54:20,750
it doesn't make any--
and that's the only one

1160
00:54:20,916 --> 00:54:25,000
that faces directly at the
panel that became transparent.

1161
00:54:25,458 --> 00:54:27,500
While we were working
on the reactor

1162
00:54:27,666 --> 00:54:31,208
I saw one of the archways
become completely transparent,

1163
00:54:31,375 --> 00:54:33,291
where I could see
outside the craft.

1164
00:54:33,458 --> 00:54:35,541
This immediately
caught my attention

1165
00:54:35,708 --> 00:54:37,083
and as I focused on it

1166
00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:40,083
half that archway turned
an opaque blue,

1167
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:42,750
and black symbols
began to appear

1168
00:54:43,041 --> 00:54:45,416
on that blue portion
of the archway.

1169
00:54:45,875 --> 00:54:48,541
I'd never really seen
symbols like that before,

1170
00:54:48,708 --> 00:54:51,000
but my closest analogy to it

1171
00:54:51,375 --> 00:54:53,250
would be... Korean writing.

1172
00:54:53,708 --> 00:54:56,041
The symbols themselves
were not completely static.

1173
00:54:56,208 --> 00:54:58,583
They were slowly tilting
back and forth.

1174
00:54:59,083 --> 00:55:02,416
While that archway had my
attention, my lab partner Barry

1175
00:55:02,708 --> 00:55:04,166
whispered my name to me

1176
00:55:04,333 --> 00:55:06,500
to get my attention back to
where it belonged.

1177
00:55:07,708 --> 00:55:10,916
When I was in the craft... and

1178
00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:14,875
I was kneeling down by
the reactor and looked up at

1179
00:55:15,125 --> 00:55:17,458
the screen, Barry just said,

1180
00:55:17,666 --> 00:55:18,791
"Bob, Bob,"

1181
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,458
you know, like,
"What are you doing?"

1182
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:24,000
"That's not you," you know,
"look down here,"

1183
00:55:24,166 --> 00:55:26,750
which is what broke
my attention, to go there.

1184
00:55:27,083 --> 00:55:29,625
But yeah, and-- but when he--
my point was when he said it,

1185
00:55:29,791 --> 00:55:31,166
he-- he just kind of
whispered it.

1186
00:55:31,333 --> 00:55:33,291
It's like-- it's like you're
in a library,

1187
00:55:33,458 --> 00:55:35,041
-you know, so there's no--
-[interviewer] Mm.

1188
00:55:35,208 --> 00:55:36,916
no loud talking.
"Hey Bill,

1189
00:55:37,083 --> 00:55:38,333
get me--"
you know, it's just like...

1190
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:40,416
[whispering mumbles]

1191
00:55:40,625 --> 00:55:43,916
So, I don't know the reasoning
behind that, but you know,

1192
00:55:44,083 --> 00:55:45,666
it's-- it's like a library.

1193
00:55:46,583 --> 00:55:49,000
I can see that the craft had
been worked on before

1194
00:55:49,166 --> 00:55:51,041
and probably for
quite some time.

1195
00:55:51,208 --> 00:55:54,916
One of the amplifiers had been
cut out with a plasma cutter.

1196
00:55:55,291 --> 00:55:59,000
Other teams were working
on the skin of the craft,

1197
00:55:59,666 --> 00:56:02,875
and there were lights, extension
cords, and other equipment

1198
00:56:03,416 --> 00:56:06,041
that were all over
the inside of the craft.

1199
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:09,708
[interviewer] You had noticed
that one of the amplifiers

1200
00:56:09,875 --> 00:56:12,083
had been cut out of the craft.

1201
00:56:12,625 --> 00:56:13,666
Yeah.

1202
00:56:14,083 --> 00:56:15,291
[interviewer]
You know, you said

1203
00:56:15,458 --> 00:56:17,291
"They must have
really been sure."

1204
00:56:17,541 --> 00:56:21,000
You had to been a hundred
percent confident,

1205
00:56:21,791 --> 00:56:25,958
that... you weren't gonna
ruin the operation of anything

1206
00:56:26,125 --> 00:56:29,166
if you went to the
lenghts to remove

1207
00:56:29,791 --> 00:56:32,041
an entire amplifier
out of the craft.

1208
00:56:32,208 --> 00:56:33,666
Now... look,

1209
00:56:33,833 --> 00:56:35,375
once you remove that out,

1210
00:56:35,541 --> 00:56:38,916
the craft can't operate in--
in Delta mode anymore,

1211
00:56:39,208 --> 00:56:41,625
which makes you wonder
if they did that...

1212
00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:45,375
intentionally, so it couldn't
operate in that mode, you know,

1213
00:56:45,541 --> 00:56:48,000
kind of the equivalent of
clipping a bird's wings,

1214
00:56:48,166 --> 00:56:49,708
keeping it, you know, so it

1215
00:56:49,875 --> 00:56:51,166
can't fly away anywhere.

1216
00:56:51,791 --> 00:56:55,750
Somewhere, someone, and probably
certainly more than one person,

1217
00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:58,208
uh, a group of people
agreed that,

1218
00:56:58,375 --> 00:56:59,541
"Let's go take that out,"

1219
00:56:59,708 --> 00:57:01,833
and they had a damn good
reason to do it.

1220
00:57:05,458 --> 00:57:07,208
But they must have been
absolutely convinced,

1221
00:57:07,375 --> 00:57:09,250
they knew what was going on.
Removed it.

1222
00:57:09,958 --> 00:57:11,416
Moved it into the lab,

1223
00:57:11,833 --> 00:57:14,500
and they were still able to
operate the craft without it.

1224
00:57:14,666 --> 00:57:18,291
So, that uh-- clearly a lot
went on before I got there.

1225
00:57:20,958 --> 00:57:24,458
At one point, Barry instructed
me to go behind the seats

1226
00:57:24,875 --> 00:57:27,333
and pointed towards a small

1227
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:30,166
honeycombed hatchway,
flush with the floor.

1228
00:57:30,875 --> 00:57:33,125
We both crawled over
to the hatchway,

1229
00:57:33,291 --> 00:57:36,750
and Barry showed me where to put
my finger in and pull backwards,

1230
00:57:37,166 --> 00:57:39,958
and... the little honeycombed
hatchway collapsed,

1231
00:57:40,291 --> 00:57:42,083
leaving an opening in the floor,

1232
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:44,166
big enough to
barely squeeze through,

1233
00:57:44,333 --> 00:57:46,583
and look down into
the lower level.

1234
00:57:47,125 --> 00:57:51,250
I was able to get the upper part
of my body into the hatchway,

1235
00:57:51,416 --> 00:57:55,000
and got a good view of the
three emitters, hanging below.

1236
00:57:55,333 --> 00:57:57,041
The lower level was very dark.

1237
00:57:57,291 --> 00:57:59,291
There was just enough
light coming in,

1238
00:57:59,458 --> 00:58:02,791
under the entrance hatchway,
to see the emitters

1239
00:58:02,958 --> 00:58:04,541
and the lower part of the craft.

1240
00:58:04,875 --> 00:58:06,666
The emitters were the only
things that were

1241
00:58:06,833 --> 00:58:07,833
a-- a different color.

1242
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,166
They were black.

1243
00:58:09,375 --> 00:58:11,666
The bottoms of them...
were hollow

1244
00:58:11,958 --> 00:58:13,541
and you could see

1245
00:58:13,708 --> 00:58:17,416
some sort of copper
colored plates inside there.

1246
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:22,041
They were hung by
large diameter tubes,

1247
00:58:22,208 --> 00:58:23,958
maybe three inches or so,

1248
00:58:24,291 --> 00:58:25,708
just like the waveguide

1249
00:58:25,875 --> 00:58:28,083
that extends down
onto the reactor.

1250
00:58:30,958 --> 00:58:33,250
When all three of the
amplifiers are being
used for travel,

1251
00:58:33,416 --> 00:58:35,041
they're in the Delta
configuration.

1252
00:58:35,375 --> 00:58:37,208
And when only one is
being used for travel,

1253
00:58:37,375 --> 00:58:38,708
it's in the Omicron
configuration.

1254
00:58:38,875 --> 00:58:40,333
So as far as propulsion,

1255
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:42,750
the craft operates in
two different modes,

1256
00:58:43,083 --> 00:58:45,500
called Omicron and Delta.

1257
00:58:45,791 --> 00:58:48,541
Omicron meaning one and
Delta meaning three,

1258
00:58:48,708 --> 00:58:51,333
and that's referring to
how many of the amplifiers and

1259
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:53,000
emitters are being used.

1260
00:58:53,291 --> 00:58:57,125
So in Omicron configuration, the
craft lifts off the ground

1261
00:58:57,458 --> 00:58:59,625
using one amplifier
and one emitter.

1262
00:59:00,041 --> 00:59:03,166
The other two emitters
can swing all the way up to

1263
00:59:03,333 --> 00:59:05,875
180 degrees out the side
of the craft,

1264
00:59:06,208 --> 00:59:08,750
and what that does
is cause distortion

1265
00:59:09,333 --> 00:59:12,458
in space and kind of
forces the craft

1266
00:59:12,791 --> 00:59:15,000
to fall into that distortion.

1267
00:59:15,375 --> 00:59:18,166
Kind of the opposite of the way
our aircraft work.

1268
00:59:18,333 --> 00:59:21,208
Instead of throwing material
out the back,

1269
00:59:21,375 --> 00:59:23,625
this causes some
sort of distortion

1270
00:59:23,958 --> 00:59:26,333
in front of it,
where it's drawn into.

1271
00:59:26,833 --> 00:59:28,541
[soft eerie music]

1272
00:59:29,625 --> 00:59:33,791
The other mode of operation,
Delta configuration,

1273
00:59:34,291 --> 00:59:38,166
is really used when the craft
is outside the atmosphere

1274
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:39,916
where it's sitting in
free space.

1275
00:59:40,291 --> 00:59:42,791
In that mode, the craft rotates
on its side.

1276
00:59:42,958 --> 00:59:46,500
It does a belly roll, and faces
the bottom of the craft

1277
00:59:46,666 --> 00:59:48,250
towards the destination.

1278
00:59:48,625 --> 00:59:52,000
The three emitters,
in the bottom of the craft,

1279
00:59:52,166 --> 00:59:53,791
focus on the destination.

1280
00:59:54,125 --> 00:59:56,875
They're brought up to power
and the craft makes a jump.

1281
00:59:57,458 --> 01:00:01,958
Now, the amplifiers don't
operate on a continuous fashion.

1282
01:00:02,208 --> 01:00:03,416
They pulse.

1283
01:00:03,583 --> 01:00:05,458
They produce a pulse of energy

1284
01:00:05,625 --> 01:00:08,875
and then require a recycle time.

1285
01:00:09,125 --> 01:00:10,958
It's somewhere around
10 milliseconds

1286
01:00:11,125 --> 01:00:12,708
or something like that,

1287
01:00:13,416 --> 01:00:16,541
but... then they essentially
can fire again

1288
01:00:16,791 --> 01:00:17,750
and make another jump.

1289
01:00:17,916 --> 01:00:19,125
So, in traveling to

1290
01:00:19,291 --> 01:00:20,583
a distant location,

1291
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:22,875
the craft will make
several jumps.

1292
01:00:23,166 --> 01:00:25,750
It's never just one long jump,
you know,

1293
01:00:25,916 --> 01:00:27,833
across the galaxy or
something like that.

1294
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,041
It's just a series of jumps
and that's--

1295
01:00:30,208 --> 01:00:31,375
that's how it moves.

1296
01:00:31,625 --> 01:00:33,291
When it arrives to where it is,

1297
01:00:33,541 --> 01:00:35,583
it'll get close to
the destination,

1298
01:00:35,916 --> 01:00:37,666
switch over to Omicron mode,

1299
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,583
and... set down or cruise
around or whatever its plan was.

1300
01:00:42,333 --> 01:00:44,375
[suspenseful music]

1301
01:00:47,541 --> 01:00:50,416
As I went through the other
folders, there was, uh,

1302
01:00:50,666 --> 01:00:53,166
another project called Sidekick,
which dealt

1303
01:00:53,333 --> 01:00:57,041
with any weapon potential
of this spacecraft.

1304
01:00:57,208 --> 01:00:58,500
That was w--
weapons applications,

1305
01:00:58,666 --> 01:01:00,541
and I knew a little bit
more about that.

1306
01:01:00,708 --> 01:01:04,083
That was because the-- the
gravity amplifiers were used

1307
01:01:04,708 --> 01:01:09,166
as a-- a collimating device to--
I mean, to-- to narrow the beam

1308
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,416
of something that appeared to be
like a particle weapon.

1309
01:01:12,583 --> 01:01:15,416
And it seemed to be dealing
with an accelerated particle

1310
01:01:15,583 --> 01:01:18,958
of some kind that was focused
or held in place,

1311
01:01:19,458 --> 01:01:23,250
and prevented from dispersing by
the gravity amplifiers,

1312
01:01:23,416 --> 01:01:25,666
by the emitters, actually.

1313
01:01:29,416 --> 01:01:32,958
Project Looking Glass
had to do with using the...

1314
01:01:33,541 --> 01:01:35,916
gravity amplifiers
to distort time.

1315
01:01:36,666 --> 01:01:38,958
And, you know, th--
this isn't implying that

1316
01:01:39,125 --> 01:01:40,958
they were trying
to make a time machine,

1317
01:01:41,166 --> 01:01:44,250
but they were trying to create
a time differential,

1318
01:01:44,416 --> 01:01:47,333
whether it was in milliseconds
or fractions of a second.

1319
01:01:47,541 --> 01:01:50,708
But it had--
it had to do just with...

1320
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:53,833
...that force distorting time.

1321
01:01:54,208 --> 01:01:56,958
Now, I mean, we weren't
a 100% sure that...

1322
01:01:57,125 --> 01:01:59,291
that was even gravity
what we were dealing with.

1323
01:01:59,625 --> 01:02:02,166
But anyway, the group that was
working on that was

1324
01:02:02,583 --> 01:02:06,000
attempting to see if that can
distort the flow of time.

1325
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,625
The information in the overview
of Project Galileo
was accurate.

1326
01:02:10,916 --> 01:02:13,375
I read the overview and
later witnessed evidence

1327
01:02:13,541 --> 01:02:14,916
which proved it to be accurate.

1328
01:02:15,541 --> 01:02:17,041
So it is possible that

1329
01:02:17,208 --> 01:02:18,750
scientists involved
with other projects,

1330
01:02:19,125 --> 01:02:20,375
could have seen evidence
that these

1331
01:02:20,541 --> 01:02:22,000
other overviews were accurate.

1332
01:02:22,458 --> 01:02:24,458
But I can't make that
assertion.

1333
01:02:24,833 --> 01:02:27,500
To me, these reports were
simply words and pictures
on paper.

1334
01:02:27,916 --> 01:02:29,416
[sharp bang]

1335
01:02:36,208 --> 01:02:38,041
The hangars are all
connected together

1336
01:02:38,208 --> 01:02:40,750
and there are large bay
doors between each one.

1337
01:02:41,166 --> 01:02:44,083
And, uh, there were nine
total that I saw.

1338
01:02:44,250 --> 01:02:46,000
Uh, each one being different.

1339
01:02:47,666 --> 01:02:51,416
I was in the lab with Barry and
Dennis came in and said,

1340
01:02:51,666 --> 01:02:54,333
"We're conducting a test flight,
why don't you guys come out?"

1341
01:02:54,708 --> 01:02:57,500
We left the lab through
the side door,

1342
01:02:57,666 --> 01:03:00,750
which leads directly into
the-- the large hangar.

1343
01:03:00,916 --> 01:03:02,333
And when I opened the door,

1344
01:03:02,625 --> 01:03:06,083
all the doors between the
hangars were open.

1345
01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:10,666
And I looked down and I saw how
big the installation was

1346
01:03:10,833 --> 01:03:13,625
and that there were other craft,

1347
01:03:13,958 --> 01:03:15,583
in those other hangars.

1348
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:18,500
I couldn't see very far because
they weren't well lit,

1349
01:03:18,708 --> 01:03:21,291
but it did go on
for quite a ways.

1350
01:03:21,541 --> 01:03:25,666
In the hanger adjacent to the
sport model was another craft

1351
01:03:25,958 --> 01:03:27,333
that sometimes I refer to as the

1352
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:29,708
jello mold or the--
the bundt cake.

1353
01:03:29,875 --> 01:03:32,833
It looks like a bundt cake mold
without the hole in the middle.

1354
01:03:33,083 --> 01:03:36,666
It appeared to be made
of the same material

1355
01:03:36,958 --> 01:03:40,208
as the sport model, same color,
same sheen.

1356
01:03:40,375 --> 01:03:42,291
I couldn't see much
going on with it.

1357
01:03:42,458 --> 01:03:44,125
Again, this was just
a single glance.

1358
01:03:44,291 --> 01:03:47,541
The other craft looked like
a top hat or a straw hat,

1359
01:03:47,708 --> 01:03:50,750
straw carnival hat, uh,
with a large brim on it.

1360
01:03:50,916 --> 01:03:54,166
This one, same color,
same sheen,

1361
01:03:54,333 --> 01:03:56,083
apparently the same material,

1362
01:03:56,291 --> 01:03:59,333
also slightly smaller than
the sport model.

1363
01:03:59,625 --> 01:04:01,375
But this one wasn't laying flat
on the ground.

1364
01:04:01,541 --> 01:04:03,125
It was leaning on the wall.

1365
01:04:03,375 --> 01:04:06,041
And, what was interesting
about this one,

1366
01:04:06,208 --> 01:04:07,666
it had a hole,

1367
01:04:07,833 --> 01:04:10,375
in the side of the brim,
if you wanna call it that,

1368
01:04:10,708 --> 01:04:13,083
as if it was shot from
underneath with a projectile,

1369
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:15,625
'cause you could see some
of the metal bent outward.

1370
01:04:19,166 --> 01:04:21,791
The craft was already outside
of the hangar.

1371
01:04:21,958 --> 01:04:25,416
There were some researchers and
some other security personnel

1372
01:04:25,583 --> 01:04:28,500
standing at the opening
to the hangar.

1373
01:04:28,916 --> 01:04:30,375
Everybody was looking
at the craft.

1374
01:04:30,541 --> 01:04:33,875
There was, uh, what appeared
to be a VHF radio

1375
01:04:34,041 --> 01:04:36,000
because what caught
my attention was

1376
01:04:36,291 --> 01:04:39,041
they were in communication
with someone in the craft

1377
01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:42,416
and... they were using
a conventional

1378
01:04:42,583 --> 01:04:45,250
VHF radio... to talk to them.

1379
01:04:45,583 --> 01:04:49,541
And I believe it was in the 140
or 150 megahertz bandwidth

1380
01:04:49,708 --> 01:04:52,333
because it said
right on the radio.

1381
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:54,916
And knowing how
the craft worked,

1382
01:04:55,083 --> 01:04:58,250
it would be impossible
for it to receive

1383
01:04:58,416 --> 01:05:00,958
a radio signal through the
gravitational field.

1384
01:05:01,125 --> 01:05:03,041
I mean, it even--
it bends light around it.

1385
01:05:03,208 --> 01:05:05,958
There's no way a radio wave is
getting inside the craft,

1386
01:05:06,125 --> 01:05:08,375
yet they were talking,
uh, to it.

1387
01:05:08,541 --> 01:05:10,583
So I was really
perplexed by that

1388
01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:12,791
and for a minute just
focused on that

1389
01:05:13,166 --> 01:05:14,916
and looked at the craft and
wondered,

1390
01:05:15,291 --> 01:05:18,041
"You know, obviously there's
something I'm not getting here."

1391
01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:21,416
Dennis instructed me to
go out and I stopped,

1392
01:05:21,666 --> 01:05:24,041
looked at the craft that was
sitting on there and

1393
01:05:24,208 --> 01:05:26,875
began to lift off
the ground silently.

1394
01:05:27,041 --> 01:05:29,458
There was a little hiss from
a corona discharge,

1395
01:05:29,625 --> 01:05:32,250
kind of a bluish purplish
glow at the bottom,

1396
01:05:32,541 --> 01:05:34,666
uh, which dissipated
as it took off.

1397
01:05:34,833 --> 01:05:36,416
Once it was sitting in the air,

1398
01:05:36,583 --> 01:05:38,333
Dennis instructed me
to go further.

1399
01:05:38,625 --> 01:05:39,833
And I went out.

1400
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,541
I didn't look up. I was just

1401
01:05:41,708 --> 01:05:44,125
walking forward and then looked
up under the craft

1402
01:05:44,291 --> 01:05:45,666
and I looked back at--

1403
01:05:46,416 --> 01:05:49,250
at Dennis and he motioned me
to come back.

1404
01:05:49,416 --> 01:05:50,791
And I started walking back.

1405
01:05:50,958 --> 01:05:52,333
I saw his hand go up...

1406
01:05:53,416 --> 01:05:56,458
...and he set the indicators for
me to look up and I looked up,

1407
01:05:57,583 --> 01:05:59,416
and the craft wasn't there.

1408
01:06:00,708 --> 01:06:02,250
And I looked over at Dennis

1409
01:06:02,416 --> 01:06:05,416
and he-- he s-- he motioned
for me to go-- go back

1410
01:06:05,583 --> 01:06:08,541
and I-- I looked and
as I moved forward,

1411
01:06:08,791 --> 01:06:10,625
the craft comes into view.

1412
01:06:10,791 --> 01:06:14,875
So you-- you could actually see
the photons bending around

1413
01:06:15,041 --> 01:06:17,750
the gravitational envelope
the-- of the craft.

1414
01:06:17,916 --> 01:06:20,291
You can see the sky
above the craft

1415
01:06:20,541 --> 01:06:24,083
bending and as you walk by,
it comes into view

1416
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:25,875
and then out of view.
It's really--

1417
01:06:26,041 --> 01:06:28,208
It's-- It really leaves an
impression.

1418
01:06:28,375 --> 01:06:30,000
It's a pretty impressive
thing to see.

1419
01:06:35,708 --> 01:06:37,208
[music fades]

1420
01:06:38,250 --> 01:06:40,500
The hope was ...that...

1421
01:06:41,541 --> 01:06:43,708
...even something small
and insignificant,

1422
01:06:43,875 --> 01:06:45,666
what we would think
is insignificant,

1423
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,750
but something small
that we can grasp,

1424
01:06:47,916 --> 01:06:49,916
if we really understood it...

1425
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:53,750
...as opposed to
a big, complicated--

1426
01:06:53,958 --> 01:06:56,000
you know, like the entire
propulsion system.

1427
01:06:56,166 --> 01:06:58,250
But if you can find
a single piece and...

1428
01:06:58,833 --> 01:07:02,000
just understood exactly
how that worked and how

1429
01:07:02,541 --> 01:07:05,791
their science works, that
that would be the key

1430
01:07:06,333 --> 01:07:08,875
and it would-- the rest would
all fall down like dominoes.

1431
01:07:09,041 --> 01:07:11,125
Like, "Oh, we-- we got it."

1432
01:07:11,291 --> 01:07:13,541
You know, it's like...
[chuckles]

1433
01:07:13,708 --> 01:07:16,416
You know, I have an
understanding of transistor

1434
01:07:16,791 --> 01:07:19,416
and then, "Oh, that's how-- and
a group of these makes an

1435
01:07:19,583 --> 01:07:22,333
integrated circuit and then an
array of these

1436
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:24,125
and it's in the memory and
computer, I would--

1437
01:07:24,291 --> 01:07:25,958
We got it. It's-- It's done."

1438
01:07:26,125 --> 01:07:29,000
So we were hoping for that
chain reaction to take place.

1439
01:07:29,166 --> 01:07:33,375
Maybe it has, but, um, you know,
when I was there, it was just--

1440
01:07:33,875 --> 01:07:35,875
we wanna focus on some small

1441
01:07:36,291 --> 01:07:38,666
aspects of it,
and see what happens.

1442
01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:42,875
Right, they had a poster
and it looked like a

1443
01:07:43,041 --> 01:07:45,333
commercial poster almost,
like it was lithographed

1444
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:47,458
and you could buy it at
a K-mart or something,

1445
01:07:47,625 --> 01:07:49,500
but they were all over the
place and it had the--

1446
01:07:50,208 --> 01:07:52,750
the disk that I coined the
term, the sport model

1447
01:07:52,916 --> 01:07:56,500
was lifted off the ground about
three feet at-- at, uh, area S4

1448
01:07:56,666 --> 01:07:58,083
on the dry lake there, and, uh,

1449
01:07:58,250 --> 01:08:00,166
the caption on the bottom said,
"They're here."

1450
01:08:00,708 --> 01:08:03,291
Looked like a commercially
printed poster

1451
01:08:03,458 --> 01:08:06,125
with the sport model
above the desert

1452
01:08:06,291 --> 01:08:08,416
floor that said,
"They're here" on it.

1453
01:08:08,625 --> 01:08:11,500
I-- I can't fathom
why they did that.

1454
01:08:11,666 --> 01:08:13,791
Or for-- Or where they did it,

1455
01:08:14,333 --> 01:08:17,500
but... it was there.
It was there.

1456
01:08:17,666 --> 01:08:19,458
Somebody made it,
"They're here" poster.

1457
01:08:19,625 --> 01:08:22,875
You know, I even-- I went up to
it and stopped and walked back

1458
01:08:23,041 --> 01:08:24,625
and looked at it and felt it.

1459
01:08:25,166 --> 01:08:27,166
And it was just--
it was just a poster.

1460
01:08:28,125 --> 01:08:31,625
And I-- I st-- to this day,
I can't imagine why

1461
01:08:31,791 --> 01:08:34,541
they did that,
but I wish I had one.

1462
01:08:34,708 --> 01:08:37,375
[laughs] They were--
They were pretty cool.

1463
01:08:37,541 --> 01:08:39,541
This technology that you've
learned about thus far

1464
01:08:39,708 --> 01:08:41,375
was brought here by
some alien beings

1465
01:08:41,541 --> 01:08:44,166
from the Zeta Reticuli
1 and 2 star system.

1466
01:08:45,375 --> 01:08:47,541
Zeta Reticuli is a
binary star system,

1467
01:08:47,708 --> 01:08:49,666
which means it has two
stars and is located

1468
01:08:49,833 --> 01:08:52,000
approximately 38 light years
from Earth.

1469
01:08:53,291 --> 01:08:55,041
These beings are from
Reticulum 4,

1470
01:08:55,208 --> 01:08:57,875
which is the fourth planet
out from Zeta 2 Reticuli.

1471
01:08:58,500 --> 01:08:59,791
This is the way star systems

1472
01:08:59,958 --> 01:09:01,666
were referred to
in these reports.

1473
01:09:01,833 --> 01:09:03,875
They simply designate
the name of the star

1474
01:09:04,041 --> 01:09:05,708
and then number the
planets from the nearest

1475
01:09:05,875 --> 01:09:07,250
to the furthest from the star.

1476
01:09:07,583 --> 01:09:10,166
Our star, the Sun, was
designated as Sol,

1477
01:09:10,333 --> 01:09:12,333
and the Earth was referred to
as Sol 3,

1478
01:09:12,541 --> 01:09:14,666
because we're the third
planet out from the Sun.

1479
01:09:15,333 --> 01:09:17,250
These beings said that
man was the product

1480
01:09:17,416 --> 01:09:19,375
of externally corrected
evolution.

1481
01:09:19,666 --> 01:09:21,250
They said that man as a species

1482
01:09:21,416 --> 01:09:23,958
had been genetically
altered 65 times.

1483
01:09:24,250 --> 01:09:25,958
They referred to humans
as containers,

1484
01:09:26,125 --> 01:09:28,250
yet I don't know what
we're containers of.

1485
01:09:29,125 --> 01:09:30,333
These beings said that
they had been

1486
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:31,875
visiting Earth
for a long time

1487
01:09:32,041 --> 01:09:33,625
and presented photographic
evidence

1488
01:09:33,791 --> 01:09:34,791
which they contended was

1489
01:09:34,958 --> 01:09:36,541
over 10,000 years old.

1490
01:09:36,916 --> 01:09:38,791
There was an exchange of
hardware and information

1491
01:09:38,958 --> 01:09:41,291
in central Nevada until 1979,

1492
01:09:41,458 --> 01:09:43,041
at which time there
was a conflict

1493
01:09:43,208 --> 01:09:45,083
which brought the program
to an abrupt halt.

1494
01:09:45,541 --> 01:09:48,958
The beings left, but were to
return at a 1623 date

1495
01:09:49,125 --> 01:09:50,916
and I don't know what
that date is.

1496
01:09:51,458 --> 01:09:53,791
With the remaining hardware
and information,
the U.S. government

1497
01:09:53,958 --> 01:09:55,916
started the
Back Engineering Program.

1498
01:09:56,333 --> 01:09:58,000
The parts that Bob read
that he was

1499
01:09:58,166 --> 01:10:01,250
least willing to talk to me
about, even back then,

1500
01:10:01,583 --> 01:10:04,000
that they had been involved
with our-- our DNA,

1501
01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:06,000
with our evolution as a species,

1502
01:10:06,166 --> 01:10:07,750
that they've been
tinkering along the way.

1503
01:10:07,916 --> 01:10:09,708
-That's pretty disturbing stuff.
-[indistinct]

1504
01:10:09,875 --> 01:10:11,125
It-- It is disturbing stuff.

1505
01:10:11,291 --> 01:10:12,625
Gene Huff brings that up a lot.

1506
01:10:12,791 --> 01:10:14,500
I mean, I don't talk about it--

1507
01:10:14,666 --> 01:10:16,166
The main reason is because

1508
01:10:16,333 --> 01:10:18,750
when Barry and I did discuss
about their reports,

1509
01:10:18,916 --> 01:10:20,708
he said, "Take everything
with a grain of salt,

1510
01:10:20,875 --> 01:10:23,916
because they'll, you know,
intentionally inject

1511
01:10:24,416 --> 01:10:25,916
ridiculous things in there.

1512
01:10:26,083 --> 01:10:28,875
So if anything ever gets out,
they know exactly

1513
01:10:29,041 --> 01:10:30,500
who to track it back to."

1514
01:10:30,958 --> 01:10:34,500
There were references
to, you know, beings

1515
01:10:34,666 --> 01:10:36,083
or pilots or

1516
01:10:36,250 --> 01:10:39,416
whatever, and it s--
some entities that were

1517
01:10:39,583 --> 01:10:41,541
related to the craft,
but they were always

1518
01:10:41,708 --> 01:10:43,000
referred to as "the kids."

1519
01:10:43,541 --> 01:10:45,583
[ominous synth music]

1520
01:10:46,833 --> 01:10:48,791
[interviewer]
In the documentation,

1521
01:10:48,958 --> 01:10:51,333
you saw some pictures of--
of some creature,

1522
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:52,875
an autopsy of some type.

1523
01:10:53,041 --> 01:10:55,208
[Lazar] Yeah, I did.
I saw, some sort--

1524
01:10:55,375 --> 01:10:57,708
if you even wanna call it some
sort of autopsy report.

1525
01:10:57,875 --> 01:10:59,041
-I don't know what a normal
-[interviewer] Yeah.

1526
01:10:59,208 --> 01:11:00,625
autopsy report looks like,
but...

1527
01:11:01,291 --> 01:11:04,041
Yeah, it had to do with a-- a
photograph and drawing of a

1528
01:11:04,208 --> 01:11:08,291
dead creature, with the chest
cut open in a T fashion,

1529
01:11:08,458 --> 01:11:11,708
the skin peeled back, and what
appeared to be one large

1530
01:11:11,875 --> 01:11:15,291
organ as opposed to a bunch
of smaller ones, as if,

1531
01:11:15,458 --> 01:11:16,875
I believe I said it before,

1532
01:11:17,125 --> 01:11:19,875
as if all the organs in our body
just grew together

1533
01:11:20,083 --> 01:11:21,666
and operated as one unit.

1534
01:11:21,916 --> 01:11:23,000
That's what it looked like.

1535
01:11:23,166 --> 01:11:24,750
And that's what it referred to.

1536
01:11:24,916 --> 01:11:27,250
The beings themselves are three
to four feet tall

1537
01:11:27,416 --> 01:11:29,333
and weigh 25 to 50 pounds.

1538
01:11:29,875 --> 01:11:31,666
Their bodies would
most closely resemble

1539
01:11:31,833 --> 01:11:33,291
a human toddler's torso,

1540
01:11:33,458 --> 01:11:35,375
if the child was emaciated
from hunger.

1541
01:11:35,833 --> 01:11:37,666
They have grayish skin
with large heads

1542
01:11:37,833 --> 01:11:39,916
with almond-shaped
wraparound eyes.

1543
01:11:40,458 --> 01:11:42,916
They have very slight nose,
mouth and ear positions

1544
01:11:43,083 --> 01:11:44,500
and are essentially hairless.

1545
01:11:48,583 --> 01:11:51,500
I believe I was leaving
the hangar

1546
01:11:51,833 --> 01:11:55,625
and walked up and glanced
through the window of one of the

1547
01:11:55,791 --> 01:11:58,583
other do-- doors as I was
proceeding down the hallway.

1548
01:11:58,875 --> 01:12:00,916
And what I saw was

1549
01:12:01,083 --> 01:12:04,125
two technicians or scientists
looking down

1550
01:12:04,291 --> 01:12:09,291
and had either one of the seats
or a model of one of the seats

1551
01:12:09,458 --> 01:12:12,625
with what I thought was a doll,

1552
01:12:12,791 --> 01:12:15,250
like a small creature or
something like that,

1553
01:12:15,416 --> 01:12:17,333
something that would be
designed to fit.

1554
01:12:17,708 --> 01:12:20,166
And I think they were
just sizing up

1555
01:12:20,375 --> 01:12:24,208
what kind of creature would sit
in a seat that size.

1556
01:12:30,083 --> 01:12:33,333
From what I understood, there
were Russians working there

1557
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:35,958
right before I got
to the project.

1558
01:12:36,375 --> 01:12:39,916
And apparently there was some
big discovery made.

1559
01:12:40,958 --> 01:12:43,166
I-- I don't know what
it had to do with

1560
01:12:43,333 --> 01:12:44,708
or what project it
had to do with,

1561
01:12:44,875 --> 01:12:46,125
but it was a big deal.

1562
01:12:46,291 --> 01:12:48,500
And as soon as we
found that out,

1563
01:12:48,833 --> 01:12:51,625
we stopped the Russians
from working with us.

1564
01:12:51,791 --> 01:12:54,541
I mean, they were kicked
out of sight and, uh...

1565
01:12:54,916 --> 01:12:56,625
whatever cooperation we had

1566
01:12:57,333 --> 01:12:59,458
going on came to an end.
To me,

1567
01:12:59,625 --> 01:13:02,416
obviously Russia had
something we needed.

1568
01:13:02,666 --> 01:13:04,666
They must have had some other...

1569
01:13:05,333 --> 01:13:09,375
ET information, um,
some technology

1570
01:13:09,625 --> 01:13:11,041
maybe that was
compatible with this.

1571
01:13:11,208 --> 01:13:14,291
Maybe they had some other
craft or parts or some--

1572
01:13:14,458 --> 01:13:16,250
They had something
that we wanted,

1573
01:13:16,416 --> 01:13:19,166
where we'd go to the in--
unbelievable length

1574
01:13:19,333 --> 01:13:21,583
of allowing them,
not just the information,

1575
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:23,875
but to be on site with us, so,

1576
01:13:24,416 --> 01:13:27,291
there-- there had to be
a good reason to do that.

1577
01:13:28,083 --> 01:13:30,125
[ominous synth music]

1578
01:13:35,875 --> 01:13:37,875
Dennis instructed me
one day that

1579
01:13:38,041 --> 01:13:40,250
I'd be taking a piece
of element 115

1580
01:13:40,416 --> 01:13:43,166
to Los Alamos National Labs,
in New Mexico.

1581
01:13:43,958 --> 01:13:46,916
I left on one of their planes
from the test site

1582
01:13:47,083 --> 01:13:48,458
and while on the plane,

1583
01:13:48,625 --> 01:13:50,291
I was looking through
the documentation

1584
01:13:50,458 --> 01:13:53,750
and that's where I noticed, that
they had a code name for it.

1585
01:13:53,916 --> 01:13:55,791
It was LA-1000

1586
01:13:55,958 --> 01:13:59,250
and it was classified as
a new armor material.

1587
01:13:59,666 --> 01:14:01,541
And that's all that the
people at Los Alamos

1588
01:14:01,708 --> 01:14:04,083
were supposed to know,
that they were just machining

1589
01:14:04,333 --> 01:14:05,666
an armor material.

1590
01:14:05,875 --> 01:14:07,791
So I had to remain there,

1591
01:14:07,958 --> 01:14:10,125
while they were machining
the material

1592
01:14:10,291 --> 01:14:13,000
and return, with not
just the material,

1593
01:14:13,166 --> 01:14:16,541
but any waste material or
shavings back to S4.

1594
01:14:18,083 --> 01:14:20,291
The strange thing is
how it was packed.

1595
01:14:20,458 --> 01:14:21,916
It was packed in aerogel.

1596
01:14:22,833 --> 01:14:26,041
At the time,
I had never seen aerogel.

1597
01:14:26,208 --> 01:14:28,666
I had never heard of aerogel.

1598
01:14:29,041 --> 01:14:32,125
It's... essentially
silicon dioxide.

1599
01:14:32,291 --> 01:14:34,083
It's-- It's the
lightest known solid.

1600
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:35,833
It's 98% air.

1601
01:14:36,125 --> 01:14:39,375
Why it was packed in this
material, I have no idea.

1602
01:14:39,958 --> 01:14:44,625
This contained-- had a
cutout for the 115 in it,

1603
01:14:44,791 --> 01:14:47,291
and then that was
inside of a lead case.

1604
01:14:47,458 --> 01:14:50,333
I can't explain why it was
packed that way at all.

1605
01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:53,250
[ominous sci-fi music]

1606
01:14:57,708 --> 01:15:01,125
[interviewer]
You went public in the 1980s

1607
01:15:01,291 --> 01:15:03,416
and even in the interview with
George, you said you

1608
01:15:03,583 --> 01:15:06,000
had a piece of element
115 in a puck

1609
01:15:06,166 --> 01:15:08,458
with an X on it, or a plus on it

1610
01:15:08,625 --> 01:15:10,166
with a laser pointed at it.

1611
01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:12,875
Now, that was something that you
could have said,

1612
01:15:13,041 --> 01:15:15,125
"Yeah, I got a piece of
plutonium in my pocket."

1613
01:15:15,416 --> 01:15:17,333
-You know... and it's not true.
-[Lazar] Yeah.

1614
01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:18,958
-[interviewer] You know
what I mean?
-[Lazar] Right.

1615
01:15:19,416 --> 01:15:21,583
[interviewer] Because you did
say you had a piece back then

1616
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:23,708
-and then you never
said it again.
-[Lazar] Yeah.

1617
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,041
[interviewer]
But you stopped saying it

1618
01:15:25,208 --> 01:15:26,625
because it was just like, just--

1619
01:15:26,791 --> 01:15:29,250
[Lazar] Yeah, I stopped
saying it because, yeah,

1620
01:15:29,458 --> 01:15:31,416
I had it too close to me.

1621
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,166
Bob made sure to have the, uh--

1622
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:41,375
the gel stuff in a
beaker and back.

1623
01:15:42,375 --> 01:15:44,583
-[interviewer] Yeah, aero--
the aerogel.
-Aerogel.

1624
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:46,083
[interviewer]
It was something
like pointing the

1625
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:47,583
particle accelerator

1626
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:49,458
at the 115 in a pocket,

1627
01:15:49,625 --> 01:15:51,291
[indistinct]
with a target on it.

1628
01:15:51,458 --> 01:15:53,041
-Yeah.
-[interviewer indistinct]

1629
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:54,791
-[laughing]
-Yeah.

1630
01:15:54,958 --> 01:15:56,000
-[interviewer indistinct]
-That was real.

1631
01:15:56,166 --> 01:15:57,208
That was real.

1632
01:15:59,541 --> 01:16:01,625
I know 115 doesn't exist

1633
01:16:01,791 --> 01:16:04,875
and a stable form of it is
non-existent and nobody's ever

1634
01:16:05,041 --> 01:16:08,125
seen it and the only wispy piece
of it that we've got now,

1635
01:16:08,708 --> 01:16:10,125
it only lasts microseconds

1636
01:16:10,291 --> 01:16:12,500
and then it's gone,
and it's radioactive.

1637
01:16:12,666 --> 01:16:14,666
Nothing like the stable form

1638
01:16:14,833 --> 01:16:17,916
that, uh, he describes
has been found by humans.

1639
01:16:18,083 --> 01:16:20,000
But he had a piece of it
and I don't care

1640
01:16:20,166 --> 01:16:21,875
whether people believe it
or not, he did.

1641
01:16:22,291 --> 01:16:24,458
And I saw an experiment
at his house, uh,

1642
01:16:24,625 --> 01:16:26,875
with a cloud chamber that
seemed to bend light.

1643
01:16:27,041 --> 01:16:29,083
Now, I'm not a physicist,
but it looked like it was

1644
01:16:29,250 --> 01:16:31,625
bending light to me and
that was impressive.

1645
01:16:31,791 --> 01:16:34,666
I know that when Bob thought
he was gonna die,

1646
01:16:34,958 --> 01:16:37,083
that he was gonna be killed
and there was good reason

1647
01:16:37,250 --> 01:16:38,333
for him thinking that.

1648
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:40,625
He had that piece of 115 in this

1649
01:16:40,791 --> 01:16:42,458
pewter round disc thing

1650
01:16:42,625 --> 01:16:44,833
in front of his particle
accelerator

1651
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,625
with an X in the middle
and if he was gonna go,

1652
01:16:47,791 --> 01:16:48,833
they were going with him.

1653
01:16:51,583 --> 01:16:55,041
I became concerned
as the days went on.

1654
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:59,750
There were always cars parked
across from my driveway,

1655
01:17:00,125 --> 01:17:02,166
and normally there's
nothing there.

1656
01:17:02,333 --> 01:17:03,583
There's no traffic

1657
01:17:04,125 --> 01:17:07,458
and even driving places,

1658
01:17:07,875 --> 01:17:09,875
I was always being followed.

1659
01:17:10,041 --> 01:17:12,625
Even when my friend
and I went to the gym,

1660
01:17:12,791 --> 01:17:14,625
even he noticed wherever
we stopped,

1661
01:17:14,791 --> 01:17:16,666
a car would follow us anywhere.

1662
01:17:16,833 --> 01:17:19,375
I began to get a little
concerned and

1663
01:17:19,625 --> 01:17:22,708
took a few of my closest
friends, and told them,

1664
01:17:22,875 --> 01:17:24,500
"The job I had at the test site,

1665
01:17:24,916 --> 01:17:26,666
I want you to see
what's going on."

1666
01:17:26,916 --> 01:17:28,875
Working with Barry,
it became obvious

1667
01:17:29,041 --> 01:17:30,958
he had something
to do with

1668
01:17:31,125 --> 01:17:32,583
the test flight schedule.

1669
01:17:32,833 --> 01:17:36,166
And in-- on one occasion, he was
sitting across from me

1670
01:17:36,458 --> 01:17:39,333
and had a list of the test
flights, the dates,

1671
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:42,000
the duration, and-- and exactly
what was going on.

1672
01:17:42,166 --> 01:17:45,000
I saw him working on it
and read it upside down,

1673
01:17:45,166 --> 01:17:47,416
seeing that every day
was a Wednesday.

1674
01:17:47,583 --> 01:17:48,791
And I asked him what it was,
he said

1675
01:17:48,958 --> 01:17:50,125
it was the test flight schedule.

1676
01:17:50,291 --> 01:17:51,875
And I said,
"What's with Wednesday?"

1677
01:17:52,041 --> 01:17:54,791
And he mentioned that
Wednesday was-- statistically,

1678
01:17:54,958 --> 01:17:56,583
was the least amount of traffic

1679
01:17:56,750 --> 01:17:58,625
on the adjacent highway
to the test site.

1680
01:17:58,791 --> 01:18:00,750
So there'd be the
least number of eyes

1681
01:18:00,916 --> 01:18:02,666
when they were
testing the craft.

1682
01:18:02,875 --> 01:18:05,500
So I knew when one
of the test flights was.

1683
01:18:05,833 --> 01:18:08,833
On a Wednesday night,
gathered everyone together,

1684
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,375
we went out there, and
exactly at the prescribed time,

1685
01:18:12,541 --> 01:18:15,416
the craft rose up over
the ridge of mountains.

1686
01:18:15,583 --> 01:18:18,458
Everyone got to see it
maneuver and perform

1687
01:18:18,625 --> 01:18:22,166
and basically told everybody
what I was doing.

1688
01:18:22,875 --> 01:18:26,208
We rented a car, took my wife,
a few friends, and

1689
01:18:26,458 --> 01:18:28,375
drove out to this--
this place and...

1690
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,083
turned the lights out and snuck
into a little area, and, uh--

1691
01:18:33,416 --> 01:18:35,083
uh, we all watched it.

1692
01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:37,833
A month before he ever
took us out there, you know,

1693
01:18:38,125 --> 01:18:40,708
they had him at arm's length
not calling him back to work

1694
01:18:40,875 --> 01:18:42,541
and he was suspicious about it.

1695
01:18:42,958 --> 01:18:44,875
You know, I knew what
he was doing and--

1696
01:18:45,041 --> 01:18:46,583
and I was looking at all the...

1697
01:18:46,791 --> 01:18:48,791
history, what happened in Russia
and the United States.

1698
01:18:48,958 --> 01:18:51,375
I said, "Man, I wanna be where
it's happening right now."

1699
01:18:51,541 --> 01:18:53,583
Bob says, "What are you doing
on Wednesday night?"

1700
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:55,416
I go, "Nothing,"
because he knows

1701
01:18:55,583 --> 01:18:56,833
they're testing on
Wednesday night.

1702
01:18:57,791 --> 01:18:58,708
Well, my name's Gene Huff.

1703
01:18:58,875 --> 01:19:00,166
I'm a real estate appraiser.

1704
01:19:00,333 --> 01:19:03,166
I've lived in Las Vegas
for 44 years.

1705
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:06,333
Been a real estate appraiser
about 40 years of that.

1706
01:19:07,166 --> 01:19:09,750
You know, for-- for someone just
watching this who doesn't know,

1707
01:19:09,916 --> 01:19:12,458
I'm sure they-- for them to
believe what I'm going to say,

1708
01:19:12,625 --> 01:19:13,541
they wanna know
something about me.

1709
01:19:13,708 --> 01:19:15,000
I've never been arrested

1710
01:19:15,333 --> 01:19:16,833
or convicted of any crime.

1711
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,083
I've been a real estate
appraiser for 40 years.

1712
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:21,291
There's never been one
complaint against me.

1713
01:19:21,583 --> 01:19:24,833
So as just a normal citizen,
I'd say I'm pretty upstanding.

1714
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,833
I have had speeding tickets
in the past, though.

1715
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,750
That's-- that's about
my biggest crime.

1716
01:19:28,916 --> 01:19:32,916
[Lazar] Gene Huff was the person
at the time, that I confided in

1717
01:19:33,083 --> 01:19:34,833
almost on a daily basis.

1718
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,125
When I came back from S4,

1719
01:19:37,541 --> 01:19:40,208
I would tell Gene kind of
what happened.

1720
01:19:40,708 --> 01:19:44,708
You know, I was really concerned
about talking to anybody else.

1721
01:19:44,875 --> 01:19:47,000
And I just-- you know,
I picked Gene,

1722
01:19:47,166 --> 01:19:50,250
who was the closest friend
at that time in Las Vegas.

1723
01:19:51,541 --> 01:19:54,291
[Gene] When he took us out
there, we went in Lear's RV.

1724
01:19:54,458 --> 01:19:56,666
It was Bob and his wife
and Lear and me and, uh--

1725
01:19:56,833 --> 01:19:59,750
We saw what we
could later identify

1726
01:19:59,916 --> 01:20:01,791
as a flying disc because
it has...

1727
01:20:02,083 --> 01:20:03,541
novel movements in the sky.

1728
01:20:03,708 --> 01:20:07,166
Helicopters and blimps and
airplanes don't do this.

1729
01:20:07,333 --> 01:20:09,708
You know, it-- it can float
around very softly

1730
01:20:09,875 --> 01:20:11,625
and then dart up
here and then be here.

1731
01:20:11,791 --> 01:20:13,250
And then you wouldn't
even see it move.

1732
01:20:13,416 --> 01:20:14,625
And now it's down here.

1733
01:20:14,916 --> 01:20:16,666
It moved around.
It did a step move.

1734
01:20:16,833 --> 01:20:19,750
It actually went up in the air
like this and hovered,

1735
01:20:20,041 --> 01:20:21,583
then dropped way down.

1736
01:20:21,875 --> 01:20:23,666
Then it just floated around
and cruised around.

1737
01:20:23,833 --> 01:20:25,750
And then it started coming up
the mountain range.

1738
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,708
But again, I couldn't have said
that was a flying saucer.

1739
01:20:28,875 --> 01:20:30,625
It was an anomalous thing.

1740
01:20:30,791 --> 01:20:34,375
And-- and of course, Bob said
there's a static charge

1741
01:20:34,541 --> 01:20:36,291
that dances around
on the skin of the disc.

1742
01:20:36,625 --> 01:20:38,416
And as the disc gets
further powered up,

1743
01:20:38,583 --> 01:20:40,416
the brighter this discharge is.

1744
01:20:41,041 --> 01:20:45,708
When the craft is energized,
there's a-- a high
DC voltage on it.

1745
01:20:46,125 --> 01:20:47,375
That's just always
present there.

1746
01:20:47,541 --> 01:20:49,583
We knew there was
high voltage visually

1747
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:53,583
when the craft takes off, but
it-- that it just appears to be

1748
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:56,875
a byproduct of the way
the reactor's working.

1749
01:20:57,125 --> 01:21:00,541
So anyway, we did see, you know,
jumping around and Lear

1750
01:21:00,708 --> 01:21:02,833
had a good shot at it through--
through a telescope.

1751
01:21:03,250 --> 01:21:04,916
Good evening.
This is John Lear.

1752
01:21:05,083 --> 01:21:07,666
And today is March 22nd, 1989.

1753
01:21:08,041 --> 01:21:11,041
We're standing just about, uh,
eight miles due east of

1754
01:21:11,208 --> 01:21:14,666
Groom Lake, Nevada, the super
government, uh,
secret test site.

1755
01:21:15,166 --> 01:21:17,708
And just a few minutes ago,
we saw one of the government,

1756
01:21:17,875 --> 01:21:21,291
uh, extraterrestrial UFOs
fly over there.

1757
01:21:21,458 --> 01:21:22,958
Uh, we all watched it
for about, uh,

1758
01:21:23,125 --> 01:21:24,583
[clears throat]
seven or eight minutes.

1759
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,791
Right here, I have my
Celestron scope.

1760
01:21:26,958 --> 01:21:28,583
Uh, it's eight, uh, inches.

1761
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,500
And I had, uh-- I had it
focused in for about 15
seconds

1762
01:21:32,666 --> 01:21:35,958
and saw for myself that in
fact, it was a disc.

1763
01:21:36,458 --> 01:21:39,708
[clears throat]
We're going to,
uh, stay here for another

1764
01:21:39,875 --> 01:21:42,041
couple hours here to see
if we can show you folks,

1765
01:21:42,208 --> 01:21:45,333
uh, an actual, uh,
extraterrestrial flying saucer

1766
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:47,166
being,
uh, flown by the government.

1767
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:48,791
[tape rolling]

1768
01:21:49,375 --> 01:21:50,625
[man]
Okay, good luck.

1769
01:21:50,791 --> 01:21:52,416
[static]

1770
01:21:52,583 --> 01:21:54,125
[man 2]
No way, did you see
that move it did?

1771
01:21:54,291 --> 01:21:55,125
-[man]
No, I didn't.
-[man 2]
It was like--

1772
01:21:55,291 --> 01:21:57,250
it kept going, woo woo.

1773
01:21:57,583 --> 01:21:59,583
-Wow, look how bright
it's getting.
-[man]
Look at it now.

1774
01:22:01,291 --> 01:22:03,875
-[man 2]
It's getting bright.
-[man]
Not bright enough for me
to get the time of day.

1775
01:22:04,041 --> 01:22:05,166
[man 3]
Hey, hold on right here.

1776
01:22:07,416 --> 01:22:09,958
So is this the first time on
camera we're gonna talk about

1777
01:22:10,125 --> 01:22:11,500
what we actually saw the

1778
01:22:11,666 --> 01:22:12,708
second time out there,
me and you and Jim?

1779
01:22:12,875 --> 01:22:14,125
-[Lazar] Yeah. Yeah.
-Okay.

1780
01:22:14,291 --> 01:22:16,333
So this is going to be
the exposure.

1781
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:17,708
-[Lazar] Yeah. That's right.
-You're gonna be the first
one to get this.

1782
01:22:17,875 --> 01:22:19,583
Two weeks later,
he takes us out there.

1783
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:22,250
This must be... [stutters]
April, whatever it was.

1784
01:22:22,416 --> 01:22:25,916
And it's Jim Togliani,
Bob, his wifey and me.

1785
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:30,250
This time, we see the elliptical
shaped light down

1786
01:22:30,416 --> 01:22:32,500
by the mountains, which
would be the south of us.

1787
01:22:32,666 --> 01:22:34,166
And there it is.
And we can tell that,

1788
01:22:34,333 --> 01:22:35,833
"Look, we've seen it before."

1789
01:22:36,041 --> 01:22:38,708
And then without seeing it
move at all,

1790
01:22:38,875 --> 01:22:41,458
suddenly it's halfway between
us and the mountain range.

1791
01:22:41,666 --> 01:22:45,083
And then suddenly
it's much closer to us.

1792
01:22:45,250 --> 01:22:50,166
I'd say 75 yards away and
150 feet up in the air, maybe.

1793
01:22:50,708 --> 01:22:53,583
During the test flight,
when the craft rose up,

1794
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:57,083
it made very abrupt moves
to the left and right,

1795
01:22:57,250 --> 01:23:01,125
and then, made a very
dramatic move toward us.

1796
01:23:01,291 --> 01:23:03,416
And I remember Gene Huff
looking at it,

1797
01:23:03,583 --> 01:23:05,125
even took a step back going,

1798
01:23:05,291 --> 01:23:06,916
"Oh my God," because it just--

1799
01:23:07,083 --> 01:23:10,833
it came from such a great
distance to so close so quickly.

1800
01:23:11,166 --> 01:23:13,625
Did that a couple of times.
I mean, to the point

1801
01:23:13,791 --> 01:23:16,125
it glowed extremely bright
when it did it.

1802
01:23:16,291 --> 01:23:19,750
In fact, so much so they
backed up behind the car

1803
01:23:19,916 --> 01:23:21,833
because they thought it might
explode or something.

1804
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,916
So now after it jumps down
close to us,

1805
01:23:25,083 --> 01:23:28,333
it starts glowing brighter
and brighter and brighter.

1806
01:23:28,708 --> 01:23:32,375
And then what we never told
anybody until now,

1807
01:23:32,791 --> 01:23:34,083
it disappeared.

1808
01:23:34,333 --> 01:23:36,375
[soft ominous music]

1809
01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:40,791
Now, this is all silent, by the
way, there's no noise.

1810
01:23:40,958 --> 01:23:42,208
And it was just gone.

1811
01:23:42,375 --> 01:23:44,166
Now, we did later see it
floating around

1812
01:23:44,333 --> 01:23:46,666
and go back down by the
mountains, by Papoose and...

1813
01:23:46,833 --> 01:23:48,166
it's like a-- like the movies,

1814
01:23:48,333 --> 01:23:50,166
it drops down behind the
mountains.

1815
01:23:50,333 --> 01:23:51,958
[sci-fi sting]

1816
01:23:55,125 --> 01:23:57,583
This was a thing that Bob
could not effect.

1817
01:23:57,791 --> 01:24:00,791
He had no idea that there
was gonna be a disk

1818
01:24:00,958 --> 01:24:03,625
out by way 375 that would come
that close to us,

1819
01:24:03,875 --> 01:24:07,458
power up and disappear
for all practical purposes.

1820
01:24:07,916 --> 01:24:10,000
He couldn't have made that
happen unless he was

1821
01:24:10,291 --> 01:24:12,458
in cahoots with somebody at S4.

1822
01:24:12,625 --> 01:24:14,958
But even then,
they wouldn't have known

1823
01:24:15,125 --> 01:24:17,083
where we were and
when we were there, and--

1824
01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:20,208
I still pose the question, is,
"Did they see us?"

1825
01:24:21,125 --> 01:24:23,041
Bob couldn't have
been working at--

1826
01:24:23,208 --> 01:24:25,166
at the lunchroom at Area 51.

1827
01:24:25,583 --> 01:24:27,041
And I just believe everything
he says,

1828
01:24:27,208 --> 01:24:28,208
and this would have happened.

1829
01:24:28,375 --> 01:24:30,125
He couldn't make it happen.

1830
01:24:30,291 --> 01:24:33,416
That proved, and I believed it
before that, but that proved,

1831
01:24:33,916 --> 01:24:35,333
uh, that's empirical evidence.

1832
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:38,666
I saw a craft to do that,
thanks to him.

1833
01:24:38,916 --> 01:24:40,083
And it can't be denied,

1834
01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:42,208
but that's presuming
they believe me.

1835
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:45,083
We got caught out there.

1836
01:24:45,541 --> 01:24:47,041
Uh, there were--

1837
01:24:47,208 --> 01:24:48,708
we got stopped by--
initially by the guards

1838
01:24:48,875 --> 01:24:51,500
that are out in that
area, uh, that

1839
01:24:51,666 --> 01:24:53,541
John Lear spoke about.
He was with us.

1840
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,541
Then stopped right afterwards
by the sheriff who...

1841
01:24:57,375 --> 01:25:00,375
...I guess,
called in all our names

1842
01:25:00,541 --> 01:25:02,916
from our driver's licenses and
social security numbers,

1843
01:25:03,083 --> 01:25:05,958
whatever they do,
into Area 51 out there.

1844
01:25:07,208 --> 01:25:09,750
Yeah, we went out there
two or three times.

1845
01:25:10,166 --> 01:25:11,708
So we'd go out there in the dark

1846
01:25:11,875 --> 01:25:14,166
and you can't see your hand
in front of your face.

1847
01:25:14,708 --> 01:25:17,041
And we'd pull out there,
stand around.

1848
01:25:17,208 --> 01:25:19,708
And we're-- the first time
we were as quiet as possible.

1849
01:25:20,125 --> 01:25:22,125
By the second or third time,

1850
01:25:22,416 --> 01:25:24,916
we were making noise
and joking around and...

1851
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:29,375
unbeknownst to us,
they had seen us pull up there.

1852
01:25:29,958 --> 01:25:32,750
We're going down the first road
in the Area 51.

1853
01:25:32,916 --> 01:25:34,125
We just went there
to park to see

1854
01:25:34,291 --> 01:25:35,708
if we could see
what was going on.

1855
01:25:36,541 --> 01:25:38,875
Then the Wackenhut guards,
who are the guys that guard

1856
01:25:39,041 --> 01:25:41,500
the outside of the base,
were watching us.

1857
01:25:41,666 --> 01:25:42,916
But we-- we didn't know it.

1858
01:25:43,083 --> 01:25:44,500
We're out there with
a telescope and

1859
01:25:44,833 --> 01:25:46,000
video cameras, and...

1860
01:25:46,625 --> 01:25:47,916
You know, Bob points
out that there's a

1861
01:25:48,083 --> 01:25:49,875
green light down
there on the road.

1862
01:25:50,333 --> 01:25:52,416
And then the green light
dropped from, like,

1863
01:25:52,583 --> 01:25:54,083
head level down to
the ground.

1864
01:25:54,250 --> 01:25:56,083
And we realized those were
night vision goggles.

1865
01:25:56,250 --> 01:25:57,458
And somebody just dropped their

1866
01:25:57,625 --> 01:25:59,166
night vision goggles
and we saw it.

1867
01:25:59,416 --> 01:26:02,833
There was five or six
security personnel there.

1868
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,375
And one of them dropped
a night vision scope.

1869
01:26:05,541 --> 01:26:08,666
And we just saw it rolling down
the road to us going,

1870
01:26:08,958 --> 01:26:10,541
"What is that?"

1871
01:26:10,708 --> 01:26:11,916
And then when they saw they
dropped it,

1872
01:26:12,083 --> 01:26:13,250
they turned
the lights on, and...

1873
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:14,708
everyone was there.

1874
01:26:14,875 --> 01:26:16,333
There were cars and
a lot of guys.

1875
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:18,333
So it was, uh-- it was
very shocking.

1876
01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:21,000
But yeah, that's when we got
discovered.

1877
01:26:21,458 --> 01:26:24,208
You know, the consensus was,
if they find me,

1878
01:26:24,375 --> 01:26:26,083
there's gonna be big trouble.

1879
01:26:26,291 --> 01:26:28,458
So if I take off
into the desert,

1880
01:26:28,708 --> 01:26:30,041
they're just gonna look like

1881
01:26:30,208 --> 01:26:31,458
a bunch of tourists
that are out there.

1882
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:34,041
So I ran out into the desert.

1883
01:26:34,208 --> 01:26:35,250
They got caught.

1884
01:26:35,416 --> 01:26:36,375
Everybody got questioned.

1885
01:26:36,541 --> 01:26:37,833
They eventually let them go.

1886
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,375
There were four people there.

1887
01:26:39,708 --> 01:26:41,000
And then on their way out,

1888
01:26:41,166 --> 01:26:42,625
before they got to
the main road,

1889
01:26:42,791 --> 01:26:44,916
I joined up with them,
got back in the car.

1890
01:26:45,083 --> 01:26:46,291
We continued on and then

1891
01:26:46,458 --> 01:26:48,333
were stopped by
the local sheriff.

1892
01:26:48,583 --> 01:26:50,416
And the sheriff called it in
and he said,

1893
01:26:50,583 --> 01:26:52,875
"Yeah, I got five people here,"
and Wackenhut said,

1894
01:26:53,041 --> 01:26:54,833
"Well, there were
only four there.

1895
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,500
Where'd you get the other guy?"

1896
01:26:56,750 --> 01:27:00,333
So he asked for everybody's ID
and we gave it to him.

1897
01:27:00,500 --> 01:27:03,041
So that's how they found out
that I was there.

1898
01:27:03,250 --> 01:27:05,833
As soon as they mentioned my
name, from what I recall,

1899
01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:09,250
they just said, "Okay,"
and they let everybody go.

1900
01:27:09,708 --> 01:27:11,416
And that's how--

1901
01:27:12,541 --> 01:27:14,083
[chuckling]
That's how it went. Yeah.

1902
01:27:14,416 --> 01:27:16,000
[phone ringing]

1903
01:27:18,458 --> 01:27:20,250
Dennis contacted me in
the morning and said,

1904
01:27:20,416 --> 01:27:22,458
"Instead of going into S4,

1905
01:27:22,875 --> 01:27:24,875
uh, we're gonna go
to Indian Springs,"

1906
01:27:25,041 --> 01:27:27,125
which was an auxiliary
air force base,

1907
01:27:27,500 --> 01:27:29,875
you know, in that general area,
part of the test site.

1908
01:27:30,208 --> 01:27:33,458
So we went... to Indian Springs
that morning.

1909
01:27:33,916 --> 01:27:37,541
And, uh, that's where I was
debriefed and interrogated.

1910
01:27:37,916 --> 01:27:40,458
Literally said two or three
words the entire trip.

1911
01:27:40,625 --> 01:27:43,125
It's like a half hour,
45 minute drive.

1912
01:27:43,458 --> 01:27:46,166
The only thing he did say on the
way down there was,

1913
01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:48,791
"You know, when we said
this was highly classified,

1914
01:27:49,041 --> 01:27:50,333
we didn't mean that you can tell

1915
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:52,166
your friends and
family about it."

1916
01:27:52,375 --> 01:27:54,208
And that was, I think,
the only thing he said.

1917
01:27:54,791 --> 01:27:56,625
There was someone at the
guard station to let us in,

1918
01:27:56,791 --> 01:27:58,291
and then someone
in the building and...

1919
01:27:58,541 --> 01:27:59,875
he left after that.

1920
01:28:00,958 --> 01:28:03,000
Guards there with M-16s
and guys

1921
01:28:03,166 --> 01:28:05,333
slamming their finger into my
chest, screaming in my ear.

1922
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:06,833
Some people were pointing
weapons at me.

1923
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,458
There were a couple
of guys in the room

1924
01:28:08,625 --> 01:28:10,125
that they sat me down with.

1925
01:28:10,291 --> 01:28:12,916
Um, and they were more angry
than anything else.

1926
01:28:13,083 --> 01:28:15,333
I don't think they exactly
knew what to say,

1927
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:16,958
but they kept going over.

1928
01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:19,791
"Didn't you understand the
security briefings?"

1929
01:28:19,958 --> 01:28:23,166
And you know, one of the guys
had a sidearm, a rifle,

1930
01:28:23,333 --> 01:28:25,625
um, that he kept poking me with.

1931
01:28:26,291 --> 01:28:29,416
We had a story all made up
why I was out there

1932
01:28:30,333 --> 01:28:33,875
about me being dropped off
at the stop sign up on--

1933
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:36,125
up on the top of the hill
and that I really didn't

1934
01:28:36,291 --> 01:28:38,166
go out there and I didn't
wanna and all that.

1935
01:28:38,333 --> 01:28:40,125
And the first thing that they
said when I got in,

1936
01:28:40,666 --> 01:28:42,416
uh, was, "Forget about the
stop sign story."

1937
01:28:42,583 --> 01:28:44,291
And we only talked about
that on the phone.

1938
01:28:44,458 --> 01:28:46,458
And it was just all too obvious
that the phone was tapped.

1939
01:28:46,750 --> 01:28:49,625
And eventually they brought up
the fact that they said,

1940
01:28:49,916 --> 01:28:51,833
"You know, we've been
monitoring your phone

1941
01:28:52,291 --> 01:28:54,416
and, uh, we've
been reviewing your--

1942
01:28:54,583 --> 01:28:55,791
you know, your clearance

1943
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,750
and there've been
some problems with it.

1944
01:28:58,125 --> 01:29:00,750
Your wife's been having an
affair with your--

1945
01:29:00,916 --> 01:29:03,666
her flight instructor and
here's the transcripts."

1946
01:29:04,125 --> 01:29:06,708
And, you know, they just
kind of explained it,

1947
01:29:07,083 --> 01:29:10,583
opened a couple places and
was reading stuff into me,

1948
01:29:10,750 --> 01:29:13,083
some particularly
unpleasant areas.

1949
01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:16,916
And, um... I kind of put
most of this out of my mind.

1950
01:29:17,125 --> 01:29:18,583
They let me go after that.

1951
01:29:18,750 --> 01:29:20,666
And I think they were gonna
yank the clearance

1952
01:29:20,833 --> 01:29:22,416
anyway, because of
what was going on.

1953
01:29:22,583 --> 01:29:24,625
They were simply waiting to see
if it was something

1954
01:29:24,958 --> 01:29:26,458
that was gonna
fizzle out or not.

1955
01:29:26,625 --> 01:29:27,833
And apparently it wasn't.

1956
01:29:28,333 --> 01:29:30,000
It's something I don't like to
talk about.

1957
01:29:30,375 --> 01:29:32,625
It's upsetting... and it, um...

1958
01:29:33,291 --> 01:29:36,208
you know, it's probably the
least of what I remember

1959
01:29:36,375 --> 01:29:38,291
about the entire situation.

1960
01:29:39,041 --> 01:29:42,958
And that was essentially the
last day that I had ever worked.

1961
01:29:43,416 --> 01:29:44,625
But yeah, they were--

1962
01:29:44,958 --> 01:29:46,208
upset was...

1963
01:29:47,458 --> 01:29:48,791
...an understatement.

1964
01:29:52,958 --> 01:29:54,458
[interviewer]
They shot at you,
somebody shot,

1965
01:29:54,625 --> 01:29:56,125
maybe as a warning, perhaps.

1966
01:29:56,541 --> 01:29:58,666
That's a good warning, I had my
back tire shot out on my car

1967
01:29:58,833 --> 01:30:00,583
as I was getting
on the freeway.

1968
01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:04,416
I was dropping some real estate
photos off at Gene Huff's office

1969
01:30:04,583 --> 01:30:07,000
on Eastern Avenue in Las Vegas.

1970
01:30:07,458 --> 01:30:09,833
And I drove down,
Charleston Boulevard went

1971
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,791
completely across the valley.

1972
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,000
And just as I was heading back,

1973
01:30:14,458 --> 01:30:16,208
heading toward the
freeway on-ramp,

1974
01:30:16,625 --> 01:30:17,958
another car kept

1975
01:30:18,291 --> 01:30:19,458
running up beside me.

1976
01:30:19,625 --> 01:30:21,166
And, you know, they'd fall back,

1977
01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:22,916
I'd move forward,
they'd fall back.

1978
01:30:23,083 --> 01:30:25,416
I thought it was some kid
trying to race me.

1979
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,458
And they shot, they fired it.

1980
01:30:28,625 --> 01:30:30,250
They weren't--
They weren't trying to race me.

1981
01:30:30,416 --> 01:30:31,875
They were trying to shoot me.

1982
01:30:32,041 --> 01:30:34,291
They shot and hit the back tire,

1983
01:30:34,458 --> 01:30:36,625
uh, where Charleston Boulevard

1984
01:30:36,791 --> 01:30:39,750
curves-- the on-ramp
that goes on to I-15.

1985
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,916
There's, uh, a big dirt area.

1986
01:30:42,125 --> 01:30:44,291
So instead of
following the turn,

1987
01:30:44,458 --> 01:30:47,791
I went straight into the
dirt and stopped

1988
01:30:47,958 --> 01:30:51,416
and was kind of petrified and
just froze there in the car

1989
01:30:51,583 --> 01:30:53,541
because I thought they had
pulled up behind me

1990
01:30:53,708 --> 01:30:55,500
and I was waiting to get shot.

1991
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:58,791
And I just sat there for a long
period of time and realized

1992
01:30:58,958 --> 01:31:00,125
they had kept going.

1993
01:31:00,291 --> 01:31:01,458
So I kind of relaxed.

1994
01:31:01,625 --> 01:31:03,250
I went out and
looked at the tire

1995
01:31:03,416 --> 01:31:05,208
and I didn't have a spare.

1996
01:31:05,375 --> 01:31:09,000
I just got back in the car and
started driving up the on-ramp,

1997
01:31:09,166 --> 01:31:11,458
of course, you know,
with a shot-out tire.

1998
01:31:11,708 --> 01:31:14,166
You know, was it somebody
from the government?

1999
01:31:14,458 --> 01:31:16,333
Was it a random shooting?

2000
01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:17,708
Was it a gangbanger?

2001
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,208
I-- I don't know.

2002
01:31:19,375 --> 01:31:21,125
But that-- that happened
at that time.

2003
01:31:21,916 --> 01:31:23,291
[interviewer]
But you said, uh,

2004
01:31:23,458 --> 01:31:24,958
you were referred to
getting into trouble.

2005
01:31:25,125 --> 01:31:26,625
Have you had some repercussions?

2006
01:31:26,791 --> 01:31:28,416
[Lazar] Yeah, I've been
threatened with, uh--

2007
01:31:28,583 --> 01:31:29,958
uh, being charged
with espionage.

2008
01:31:30,125 --> 01:31:32,083
Uh, I've had my life
threatened by them,

2009
01:31:32,250 --> 01:31:34,291
my wife's life threatened
by them.

2010
01:31:34,458 --> 01:31:36,458
And, uh, I-- I mean, I don't
know where else you can
go from there.

2011
01:31:36,708 --> 01:31:39,875
I, at that time, you know,
had people following me,

2012
01:31:40,041 --> 01:31:42,291
was beginning to get scared
and at some point stayed at

2013
01:31:42,458 --> 01:31:44,166
John Lear's house and, you know,

2014
01:31:44,333 --> 01:31:46,208
was kind of hiding from
what was going on.

2015
01:31:46,583 --> 01:31:49,458
And he said, "Look, I know this
guy, George Knapp.

2016
01:31:49,875 --> 01:31:53,125
He's, uh... you know,
part of KLAS-TV.

2017
01:31:53,291 --> 01:31:54,916
He's an investigative reporter.

2018
01:31:55,083 --> 01:31:57,916
What you should do, you should
say all this stuff,

2019
01:31:58,083 --> 01:31:59,416
get it on the record.

2020
01:31:59,625 --> 01:32:01,375
Like that way, if anything
happens to you,

2021
01:32:01,541 --> 01:32:02,958
it's just gonna explode.

2022
01:32:03,125 --> 01:32:04,666
And the-- you know, maybe
they'll leave you alone."

2023
01:32:04,833 --> 01:32:07,000
And, you know, initially that
sounded ridiculous.

2024
01:32:07,166 --> 01:32:09,750
And eventually I said,
"I gotta do something.

2025
01:32:09,916 --> 01:32:11,291
So... okay."

2026
01:32:11,458 --> 01:32:12,500
So, um,

2027
01:32:12,666 --> 01:32:13,750
they came up to the house

2028
01:32:13,916 --> 01:32:15,625
and in John Lear's driveway,

2029
01:32:16,041 --> 01:32:18,541
we did that Dennis interview.

2030
01:32:18,916 --> 01:32:20,958
[suspenseful music]

2031
01:32:29,166 --> 01:32:31,875
George Knapp attached
the name to Dennis to me.

2032
01:32:32,041 --> 01:32:33,791
That was my superior
at the time.

2033
01:32:33,958 --> 01:32:35,916
It was kind of a poke
in the eye to him.

2034
01:32:36,083 --> 01:32:39,208
I had heard about Bob in 1988.

2035
01:32:39,375 --> 01:32:43,666
Um, this guy, John Lear walks
into the TV station in 1987.

2036
01:32:43,833 --> 01:32:45,166
He had a stack of documents

2037
01:32:45,333 --> 01:32:46,708
and he pushed them
across the desk

2038
01:32:46,875 --> 01:32:48,208
to a guy named Ned Day.

2039
01:32:48,375 --> 01:32:50,958
Ned had broken a big story
about Area 51.

2040
01:32:51,125 --> 01:32:54,625
He and Bob Snowdall got this tip
from Lear and his associates

2041
01:32:54,791 --> 01:32:56,041
that there was a secret plane

2042
01:32:56,208 --> 01:32:57,750
being developed in
the Nevada desert.

2043
01:32:57,916 --> 01:32:59,666
Something that was
invisible to radar,

2044
01:32:59,833 --> 01:33:01,666
which sounded
preposterous at the time,

2045
01:33:01,833 --> 01:33:03,166
but turned out to be true.

2046
01:33:03,541 --> 01:33:06,125
Lear had credibility
with KLAS because

2047
01:33:06,291 --> 01:33:08,375
he had given us information
that turned out to be

2048
01:33:08,541 --> 01:33:09,708
this really big story.

2049
01:33:09,875 --> 01:33:11,375
It was John Lear
that introduced me

2050
01:33:11,541 --> 01:33:13,000
to George Knapp and...

2051
01:33:13,333 --> 01:33:16,208
John Lear was one of the first
people that I spoke to.

2052
01:33:16,375 --> 01:33:19,583
Actually, I think it was
Gene Huff, but John Lear had

2053
01:33:19,875 --> 01:33:21,625
a lot of connections and

2054
01:33:21,875 --> 01:33:23,583
familiar with a lot of,

2055
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:26,916
Area 51 stories and
that sort of thing, so.

2056
01:33:27,375 --> 01:33:29,625
He was an unusual guy,
but a good friend

2057
01:33:29,791 --> 01:33:32,458
and had some, you know,
strange beliefs.

2058
01:33:32,791 --> 01:33:35,333
But he did direct me to,
uh, George Knapp.

2059
01:33:35,833 --> 01:33:39,750
And, uh, that was an important--
an important meeting.

2060
01:33:40,666 --> 01:33:43,291
I'm the anchor of the
five o'clock newscast.

2061
01:33:43,541 --> 01:33:44,666
And every night we would have a

2062
01:33:44,833 --> 01:33:46,541
five-minute live
interview segment.

2063
01:33:46,708 --> 01:33:49,291
It might be a local celebrity,
a comedian,

2064
01:33:49,458 --> 01:33:51,041
an entertainer, a politician,

2065
01:33:51,208 --> 01:33:53,458
somebody interesting who was
traveling through town.

2066
01:33:53,958 --> 01:33:55,708
And I remember the day
that it happened.

2067
01:33:55,875 --> 01:33:58,541
It's in May of-- of 1989.

2068
01:33:59,208 --> 01:34:01,041
Whoever our guest was, canceled.

2069
01:34:01,833 --> 01:34:03,583
We're scrambling to figure out
who we're gonna fill

2070
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:05,000
this five-minute hole with.

2071
01:34:05,458 --> 01:34:07,416
And I thought about Lear.
Lear said he knew this guy.

2072
01:34:07,583 --> 01:34:09,833
It might work out there.
I had no idea who Bob was.

2073
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,250
I had no idea what had been
going on in his life.

2074
01:34:12,833 --> 01:34:14,166
And so, I called up Lear
and said,

2075
01:34:14,333 --> 01:34:16,291
"Hey, you said your--
this guy might--

2076
01:34:16,458 --> 01:34:17,666
your flying saucer guy,

2077
01:34:18,166 --> 01:34:19,333
uh, might get a job out there.

2078
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:20,666
You think he'd talk to us?"

2079
01:34:21,333 --> 01:34:22,666
And Lear says,
"I'll get back to you."

2080
01:34:22,833 --> 01:34:24,166
He calls back a couple
minutes later.

2081
01:34:24,333 --> 01:34:25,333
"Yeah, he'll do it."

2082
01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:27,041
George sent over his cameraman.

2083
01:34:27,208 --> 01:34:28,875
His name was Frank,
in a van, and

2084
01:34:29,041 --> 01:34:31,708
they set Bob up in silhouette
inside the van.

2085
01:34:31,875 --> 01:34:33,083
He told the story, you know.

2086
01:34:33,333 --> 01:34:34,875
There were nine flying

2087
01:34:35,041 --> 01:34:37,458
disks-- flying saucers, and--
and told the story.

2088
01:34:37,625 --> 01:34:40,500
And, uh-- And then it hit the
news and, man,

2089
01:34:40,666 --> 01:34:42,416
did their newsroom go crazy.

2090
01:34:42,583 --> 01:34:44,833
We send a live unit
up to Lear's house.

2091
01:34:45,125 --> 01:34:46,625
Uh, they arrange this interview.

2092
01:34:46,791 --> 01:34:48,750
We have to block out
this guy's identity.

2093
01:34:48,916 --> 01:34:50,625
We have to put him
in silhouette.

2094
01:34:50,958 --> 01:34:52,750
He used a pseudonym, Dennis.

2095
01:34:53,583 --> 01:34:55,500
Weren't exactly sure
what he was gonna say,

2096
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,250
uh, but we started asking him
some generic questions

2097
01:34:58,416 --> 01:35:01,583
in our five o'clock newscast
and out this story spills

2098
01:35:01,958 --> 01:35:03,041
and the world changed.

2099
01:35:04,458 --> 01:35:06,125
[Lazar] Uh, there's really no
way I can prove it

2100
01:35:06,291 --> 01:35:08,125
without revealing my identity
and getting myself

2101
01:35:08,291 --> 01:35:09,791
into more trouble than
I have already.

2102
01:35:10,125 --> 01:35:12,041
[Knapp]
The choice of Dennis
was an inside joke.

2103
01:35:12,208 --> 01:35:14,875
He says that's the name of his
superior at Groom Lake.

2104
01:35:15,083 --> 01:35:17,541
-It wasn't a joke to Dennis.
-He called right after,
he said,

2105
01:35:17,708 --> 01:35:19,500
"You have any idea what we're
going to do to you now?"

2106
01:35:19,666 --> 01:35:22,041
And I-- I said, "Well, no," and
he's yelling up the phone.

2107
01:35:22,208 --> 01:35:25,500
When he did this, I told, I--
I was astonished because

2108
01:35:25,666 --> 01:35:27,916
it was courageous when
he was on as Dennis

2109
01:35:28,083 --> 01:35:29,833
and silhouette on the news
and stuff.

2110
01:35:30,250 --> 01:35:32,375
I mean, I was amazed by this guy

2111
01:35:32,541 --> 01:35:34,000
'cause he was putting
it all on the line.

2112
01:35:34,583 --> 01:35:36,541
Look, they're doing
everything they can

2113
01:35:36,958 --> 01:35:38,625
to keep this
information secret.

2114
01:35:39,375 --> 01:35:41,166
And if they're gonna silence me,

2115
01:35:41,333 --> 01:35:43,416
whether it's something,
you know, ridiculous,

2116
01:35:43,583 --> 01:35:45,583
like try to hurt me, uh...

2117
01:35:46,083 --> 01:35:47,958
that would kind of prove
what I'm saying is true.

2118
01:35:48,125 --> 01:35:50,208
Why would this guy suddenly get,
you know,

2119
01:35:50,375 --> 01:35:51,791
murdered or hurt in some way?

2120
01:35:52,375 --> 01:35:55,750
And, um, it just kind of
seemed like

2121
01:35:55,916 --> 01:35:58,916
getting the information out
would be a good idea.

2122
01:36:01,500 --> 01:36:02,958
[dramatic music]

2123
01:36:03,125 --> 01:36:04,291
I used to always travel around.

2124
01:36:04,458 --> 01:36:05,791
I always held the weapon

2125
01:36:05,958 --> 01:36:07,708
and-- because
I mean, he's been shot at.

2126
01:36:07,875 --> 01:36:08,958
And I-- I was aware of that.

2127
01:36:09,125 --> 01:36:10,625
And I was-- I was willing to--

2128
01:36:10,875 --> 01:36:13,125
to fire back, you know,
that was my friend.

2129
01:36:13,333 --> 01:36:17,000
Mario, who drove a motorcycle,
was into racing and all that

2130
01:36:17,166 --> 01:36:19,291
came riding by one day
and was paralyzed

2131
01:36:19,458 --> 01:36:20,625
by the fact that there was a

2132
01:36:20,791 --> 01:36:22,375
jet dragster in his
neighborhood and

2133
01:36:22,541 --> 01:36:24,625
stopped his motorcycle and
immediately got out

2134
01:36:24,791 --> 01:36:26,666
and started talking to me,
and, you know.

2135
01:36:26,833 --> 01:36:29,166
From that point on, we kind of
became friends over time

2136
01:36:29,333 --> 01:36:30,875
and, you know,
still to this day,

2137
01:36:31,041 --> 01:36:34,250
he remains a really
good friend and, uh,

2138
01:36:34,416 --> 01:36:37,041
went through a lot of--
a lot with me, uh...

2139
01:36:37,208 --> 01:36:39,833
as all this unfolded
in Las Vegas.

2140
01:36:40,625 --> 01:36:44,000
He knew and I knew
that he was targeted.

2141
01:36:44,166 --> 01:36:46,791
And I mean, I-- I think even
before that, at one point

2142
01:36:46,958 --> 01:36:48,416
he was shot on the freeway.

2143
01:36:48,583 --> 01:36:50,500
You know, Mario was
with me frequently

2144
01:36:50,666 --> 01:36:53,458
because we go to the
gym every day and that's when,

2145
01:36:53,833 --> 01:36:56,250
you know, sometimes we park
the car, come back out,

2146
01:36:56,416 --> 01:36:59,291
all the doors, hoods and
back would be open,

2147
01:36:59,458 --> 01:37:02,166
even though we locked it
and checked it before we left.

2148
01:37:02,333 --> 01:37:03,791
But nothing would be taken.

2149
01:37:04,041 --> 01:37:07,208
You know, and there was a loaded
machine gun in the car

2150
01:37:07,375 --> 01:37:09,625
and wallets, but nothing
would be touched.

2151
01:37:09,791 --> 01:37:10,958
My phone was tapped.

2152
01:37:11,333 --> 01:37:12,833
We were being followed
all over the place.

2153
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,166
I mean, I was being followed
'cause I was with Lazar.

2154
01:37:15,541 --> 01:37:17,833
The things that they were
doing to mess with his life

2155
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,583
were really happening,
breaking into his house

2156
01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:23,666
and moving things around or
opening the doors to his car

2157
01:37:23,833 --> 01:37:25,625
and leaving the gun
sitting there or...

2158
01:37:25,791 --> 01:37:27,875
shooting at his tire or
just messing with him.

2159
01:37:28,333 --> 01:37:30,500
There's no way to convey
that to people

2160
01:37:30,666 --> 01:37:33,083
how real that was, uh,
unless you were there.

2161
01:37:33,250 --> 01:37:34,500
But that it was real.

2162
01:37:34,666 --> 01:37:37,166
We were scared and
there was pressure

2163
01:37:37,333 --> 01:37:38,750
on Bob and me

2164
01:37:38,916 --> 01:37:41,208
and our station to knock it off.

2165
01:37:42,041 --> 01:37:44,083
[sci-fi music]

2166
01:37:46,291 --> 01:37:48,416
I got a call from Dennis Mariani

2167
01:37:48,875 --> 01:37:51,083
and he said, "We need to talk.

2168
01:37:51,250 --> 01:37:53,541
Let's meet at the
Union Plaza Casino."

2169
01:37:54,041 --> 01:37:56,833
After I got that call,
I spoke to Gene Huff,

2170
01:37:57,041 --> 01:37:58,541
my other friend Joe at the time.

2171
01:37:58,708 --> 01:37:59,958
I wanted some--
you know, finally

2172
01:38:00,125 --> 01:38:02,125
some other witnesses
to come with me.

2173
01:38:02,458 --> 01:38:05,666
And we all went to the
Union Plaza Casino.

2174
01:38:05,833 --> 01:38:08,000
I think it was around
eight o'clock or 8:30 at night.

2175
01:38:08,541 --> 01:38:11,666
If I recall, as I was walking

2176
01:38:12,166 --> 01:38:15,375
to where he wanted me
to meet him,

2177
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:18,333
I passed not one, but two guys

2178
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:21,000
that looked super familiar to me

2179
01:38:21,166 --> 01:38:23,625
like they were
security guards at S4.

2180
01:38:23,916 --> 01:38:26,583
And that really alerted me.

2181
01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:28,125
And I said something to Gene.

2182
01:38:28,291 --> 01:38:31,166
I said, "Something's--
something's weird here."

2183
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:37,250
And I went up and I saw, um,
uh, Dennis playing at a--

2184
01:38:37,875 --> 01:38:39,333
I don't remember
what game it was,

2185
01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:41,166
but I went up alongside of him

2186
01:38:41,791 --> 01:38:43,125
and said, "Hey, Dennis."

2187
01:38:43,458 --> 01:38:45,333
And he didn't-- he wouldn't
even look up at me.

2188
01:38:45,791 --> 01:38:47,791
And I said, you know, "Okay."

2189
01:38:47,958 --> 01:38:49,708
And-- and walked away,

2190
01:38:50,083 --> 01:38:53,791
and connected up with Gene who
had eyes on him the entire time.

2191
01:38:54,083 --> 01:38:56,333
Bob sees Dennis at
a blackjack table.

2192
01:38:56,625 --> 01:38:58,083
This guy won't even look at him.

2193
01:38:58,291 --> 01:39:00,750
Now, if he was a complete
stranger that Bob wasn't

2194
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,791
trying to pretend was Dennis,

2195
01:39:02,958 --> 01:39:05,000
he would have looked at him and
said, "Get out of here, buddy.

2196
01:39:05,166 --> 01:39:08,333
What-- you know," he-- he keeps
looking down at his cards and

2197
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:09,666
he won't talk to Bob.

2198
01:39:09,833 --> 01:39:11,541
So Bob comes back
and tells me that.

2199
01:39:11,791 --> 01:39:13,958
I mean, we weren't behind the
slot machines for five seconds.

2200
01:39:14,125 --> 01:39:16,333
We looked back.
Dennis is gone.

2201
01:39:16,541 --> 01:39:19,041
So it was-- it was weird to
see him acting like this.

2202
01:39:19,291 --> 01:39:22,500
I wonder if those other guys
weren't supposed to be there.

2203
01:39:22,666 --> 01:39:24,750
They saw him and
he decided to shut up

2204
01:39:25,291 --> 01:39:27,291
and he really did want
to talk to me

2205
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:30,916
or they were with him or--
something like that.

2206
01:39:31,083 --> 01:39:34,083
But why did his attitude
change so much between

2207
01:39:34,333 --> 01:39:35,958
when he called me,
"Hey, we gotta talk."

2208
01:39:36,125 --> 01:39:38,625
And I got there and now
I'm not-- I don't even exist.

2209
01:39:38,791 --> 01:39:41,083
So it almost made me think

2210
01:39:41,333 --> 01:39:44,666
somebody was privy to the
conversation, scared him.

2211
01:39:44,833 --> 01:39:47,083
And, you know, that--
that was it.

2212
01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:49,750
We all got back together,
Gene, Joe, and I,

2213
01:39:49,916 --> 01:39:53,250
we went back to the house, and
my house had been broken into.

2214
01:39:53,416 --> 01:39:55,208
So was this entire thing set up

2215
01:39:55,375 --> 01:39:58,416
just to get us out of the house
so they'd have access,

2216
01:39:58,791 --> 01:40:02,958
and, um, you know, who knows,
or was it a coincidence?

2217
01:40:04,125 --> 01:40:05,541
[interviewer] Did anything
happen at the house?

2218
01:40:05,708 --> 01:40:07,666
Like, they broke in,
did they take anything?

2219
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,041
Yeah, they did.

2220
01:40:14,250 --> 01:40:17,083
As time went on,
my name became known,

2221
01:40:17,666 --> 01:40:21,000
but as far as the reception
from people,

2222
01:40:21,416 --> 01:40:24,250
for the most part, only
my friends and family

2223
01:40:24,416 --> 01:40:25,875
really believed my story

2224
01:40:26,041 --> 01:40:27,958
because they knew me
before and after

2225
01:40:28,125 --> 01:40:29,875
some, of course,
had seen the test flights.

2226
01:40:30,041 --> 01:40:32,458
And so there was no doubts
in their mind,

2227
01:40:32,875 --> 01:40:34,958
but the general public
certainly did not.

2228
01:40:35,125 --> 01:40:36,791
So, I looked like...

2229
01:40:37,791 --> 01:40:40,708
You know, just some hoaxster
or some, you know,

2230
01:40:40,875 --> 01:40:43,416
weird guy out there telling
strange stories.

2231
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:45,666
[sci-fi dramatic music]

2232
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,416
The weeks and months
that followed that time

2233
01:40:49,583 --> 01:40:52,208
were very stressful and, uh...

2234
01:40:54,625 --> 01:40:58,000
...probably the--
the worst time in my life.

2235
01:40:58,708 --> 01:40:59,833
Um...

2236
01:41:03,708 --> 01:41:05,166
[sighs]

2237
01:41:05,875 --> 01:41:07,916
[interviewer]
Take your time. [mutters]

2238
01:41:15,458 --> 01:41:17,791
I tried to say, "I'm the same
guy who did these
other stories."

2239
01:41:17,958 --> 01:41:20,666
And I could not understand why
people did not believe it.

2240
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,833
And it was important to me
at the time, like,

2241
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,750
"Hey, I'm-- I'm
telling you the truth here.

2242
01:41:25,333 --> 01:41:27,708
I'm-- I'm telling you how
we went through this process

2243
01:41:27,875 --> 01:41:30,541
of what steps we took to tell
the Bob Lazar story."

2244
01:41:31,291 --> 01:41:33,125
And there were those who would
just-- would not look at it,

2245
01:41:33,291 --> 01:41:34,708
would not take it seriously.

2246
01:41:34,875 --> 01:41:36,416
And I could not understand it.

2247
01:41:36,583 --> 01:41:38,208
And it bothered me
in those days.

2248
01:41:38,375 --> 01:41:39,791
And it bothered me for a while,

2249
01:41:40,083 --> 01:41:42,250
but now we're looking
at 34 years later

2250
01:41:42,583 --> 01:41:43,708
and it doesn't
bother me a bit.

2251
01:41:43,875 --> 01:41:45,041
I do not give a shit

2252
01:41:45,208 --> 01:41:46,666
if people be--
believe Bob Lazar.

2253
01:41:46,833 --> 01:41:48,041
I know what I reported.

2254
01:41:48,208 --> 01:41:49,250
I know what he said.

2255
01:41:49,416 --> 01:41:50,583
I know he's telling the truth.

2256
01:41:50,750 --> 01:41:51,583
And I know there are
other people

2257
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:52,833
that know it's the truth.

2258
01:41:53,125 --> 01:41:54,750
And I don't care whether, uh,

2259
01:41:54,916 --> 01:41:57,500
they wanna drag me or him
over the coals anymore.

2260
01:41:57,666 --> 01:41:58,875
Screw it.

2261
01:42:00,125 --> 01:42:01,791
Bob played a dangerous
chess game

2262
01:42:01,958 --> 01:42:03,208
with some very dangerous people.

2263
01:42:03,375 --> 01:42:04,708
And he made the first move.

2264
01:42:05,208 --> 01:42:06,916
They were astonished
that anybody had the

2265
01:42:07,083 --> 01:42:09,000
audacity to defy them.

2266
01:42:09,375 --> 01:42:11,875
And while they were thinking
about that, Bob went public.

2267
01:42:12,333 --> 01:42:14,916
And he forced their hand.
They either had to arrest him

2268
01:42:15,083 --> 01:42:17,000
and prove that what
he was saying is true,

2269
01:42:17,291 --> 01:42:19,041
or they had to let him go
and hope to exact

2270
01:42:19,208 --> 01:42:20,541
their revenge another time.

2271
01:42:20,791 --> 01:42:22,541
And I say this all the time.

2272
01:42:22,708 --> 01:42:24,708
A-- All this stuff is something
that happened to him.

2273
01:42:24,875 --> 01:42:26,750
It's not who he is.
Like he said before,

2274
01:42:26,916 --> 01:42:28,875
"I'd rather you not believe me
and leave me alone."

2275
01:42:29,458 --> 01:42:31,916
A lot of stuff that Bob said
turned out to be true

2276
01:42:32,083 --> 01:42:33,291
and was verifiable.

2277
01:42:33,458 --> 01:42:34,791
And it drives people crazy.

2278
01:42:34,958 --> 01:42:36,166
But, you know, the fact that

2279
01:42:36,333 --> 01:42:37,791
he knew about a place called S4.

2280
01:42:37,958 --> 01:42:40,166
You know, Nellis
confirmed that, it was real.

2281
01:42:40,333 --> 01:42:41,458
He wouldn't tell me
where it was,

2282
01:42:41,625 --> 01:42:43,041
but they confirmed
it was real.

2283
01:42:43,375 --> 01:42:45,291
That whole hand scanner thing
turned out to be real.

2284
01:42:45,458 --> 01:42:46,708
How did he know that stuff?

2285
01:42:47,291 --> 01:42:49,250
Uh, element 115. You know?

2286
01:42:49,583 --> 01:42:52,500
We still don't have a stable
form of it, but, you know,

2287
01:42:52,666 --> 01:42:55,166
it makes sense that it could
exist, uh, that

2288
01:42:55,333 --> 01:42:58,333
we have a reverse engineering
program, uh, that these

2289
01:42:58,708 --> 01:43:00,958
big defense contractors
have been conducting.

2290
01:43:01,125 --> 01:43:03,500
All that stuff coming out now,
it is true.

2291
01:43:03,708 --> 01:43:04,750
He knew about it.

2292
01:43:04,916 --> 01:43:06,041
How did he know?

2293
01:43:06,208 --> 01:43:08,041
Just making it up,
out of thin air.

2294
01:43:08,291 --> 01:43:10,500
The way it affected me,
I felt bad for him

2295
01:43:10,666 --> 01:43:12,833
because I knew who he was,
you know.

2296
01:43:13,166 --> 01:43:14,833
And what people were
saying about him.

2297
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,583
I mean, there was a lot of
good people, but, um,

2298
01:43:18,041 --> 01:43:20,041
still, you always heard
the bad stuff.

2299
01:43:20,208 --> 01:43:21,583
It's like, "You know, no wonder

2300
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:23,416
he didn't wanna talk
about it to anybody."

2301
01:43:23,583 --> 01:43:27,541
You know? He was very quiet
and-- and I understand that.

2302
01:43:27,708 --> 01:43:30,375
So we really didn't focus on
that at all.

2303
01:43:30,541 --> 01:43:34,166
It's just, let's do
what we wanna do,
have some goals in life

2304
01:43:34,333 --> 01:43:36,583
and things that we wanna do
and focus on that.

2305
01:43:37,458 --> 01:43:39,500
[hopeful music]

2306
01:43:42,541 --> 01:43:44,333
[Lazar]
It's a quiet place,

2307
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:47,166
way up in the mountains,
away from everything.

2308
01:43:47,416 --> 01:43:51,083
My wife has her barn
and arena out there.

2309
01:43:51,250 --> 01:43:54,750
The house is here,
and I have my lab at home.

2310
01:43:54,916 --> 01:43:56,541
And it's, you know,
it's sizable.

2311
01:43:56,708 --> 01:43:58,000
It's 1500 square feet.

2312
01:43:58,166 --> 01:44:00,666
It's bigger than the...
you know,

2313
01:44:00,833 --> 01:44:02,958
house I used to have in
New Mexico to live in,

2314
01:44:03,375 --> 01:44:07,458
but I can carry on
multiple experiments,

2315
01:44:07,625 --> 01:44:10,333
work on multiple projects,
all at the same time.

2316
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:12,458
And uh, it's-- it's a blast.

2317
01:44:12,625 --> 01:44:14,250
I c-- I could almost
live in here, it's--

2318
01:44:14,416 --> 01:44:16,416
To me, it's the ultimate
man cave.

2319
01:44:17,125 --> 01:44:18,625
I spend more and more time

2320
01:44:19,291 --> 01:44:22,083
in here kinda working
towards retiring.

2321
01:44:22,708 --> 01:44:24,000
And, um--

2322
01:44:24,250 --> 01:44:25,583
Yeah, my wife is really--

2323
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:27,833
my wife, Joy,
is really into horses.

2324
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,875
And uh, so, she can be in her--
I call it her lab,

2325
01:44:32,333 --> 01:44:34,250
is, uh, the-- the horse lab.

2326
01:44:34,583 --> 01:44:36,166
And I'm in here and, you know,

2327
01:44:36,333 --> 01:44:38,583
we come and hang out
with each other, but

2328
01:44:38,750 --> 01:44:39,916
you know, we can have
a good time

2329
01:44:40,083 --> 01:44:42,333
by ourselves doing
our own thing.

2330
01:44:42,666 --> 01:44:45,291
This is Joy, my wife.

2331
01:44:45,458 --> 01:44:46,625
Are you filming?

2332
01:44:46,791 --> 01:44:48,041
[interviewer]
Okay, let's start.

2333
01:44:48,208 --> 01:44:49,166
[overlapping dialogues
and laughter]

2334
01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:50,666
-[all laughing]
-Cut!

2335
01:44:50,958 --> 01:44:52,541
This is my wife, Joy.

2336
01:44:52,708 --> 01:44:54,291
-This is my husband, Bob.
-Yeah.

2337
01:44:54,458 --> 01:44:56,708
-[laughs]
-We met um...

2338
01:44:56,875 --> 01:44:58,458
-In--
-23 years ago

2339
01:44:59,166 --> 01:45:01,875
in 2000, August, in Las Vegas.

2340
01:45:02,041 --> 01:45:03,916
We were introduced
by a mutual friend

2341
01:45:04,208 --> 01:45:07,500
and, um, it took us a while to
figure out that we were

2342
01:45:07,666 --> 01:45:09,500
okay to date each other.

2343
01:45:10,208 --> 01:45:12,083
He liked horses. He hated Vegas.

2344
01:45:12,250 --> 01:45:13,875
And... what was
the other reason?

2345
01:45:15,041 --> 01:45:16,791
-I don't know.
It was just time to move.
-He was very nice.

2346
01:45:16,958 --> 01:45:18,208
He was very nice.

2347
01:45:18,375 --> 01:45:20,000
[both laugh]

2348
01:45:20,166 --> 01:45:21,625
-Which was the reason--
-That was the reason to move?

2349
01:45:21,791 --> 01:45:24,166
-No, no, no. Um...
-I was nice?

2350
01:45:24,916 --> 01:45:26,958
Yeah, so we left and then
we went

2351
01:45:27,125 --> 01:45:28,416
-to New Mexico...
-New Mexico.

2352
01:45:29,333 --> 01:45:30,500
And then Michigan,

2353
01:45:30,916 --> 01:45:33,333
and now we're here in the
mountains of Oregon.

2354
01:45:35,041 --> 01:45:36,083
[music fades]

2355
01:45:38,583 --> 01:45:40,625
[ominous music]

2356
01:45:44,083 --> 01:45:46,291
[Lazar]
I believe that some
of the technology,

2357
01:45:46,625 --> 01:45:49,833
it may be all... of the
technology should
be kept secret

2358
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,541
until we have a handle on
everything, but certainly

2359
01:45:52,833 --> 01:45:54,583
the overview of what happened

2360
01:45:55,041 --> 01:45:57,083
just cannot be a secret from--

2361
01:45:57,458 --> 01:45:59,916
from anyone, not just the
American people, but the
rest of the world.

2362
01:46:00,166 --> 01:46:03,416
Let out the basic fact,
that we have these crafts.

2363
01:46:03,583 --> 01:46:07,250
At one time, uh,
aliens did at least visit

2364
01:46:07,833 --> 01:46:09,875
and dropped off something,
however they got here.

2365
01:46:10,208 --> 01:46:12,500
Uh, that there was
some contact made
and then cut it short.

2366
01:46:12,666 --> 01:46:14,333
You don't need to release
information on

2367
01:46:14,500 --> 01:46:16,291
the gravity generators,
the weapon potential, was--

2368
01:46:16,458 --> 01:46:18,416
which is enormous, and--
and so on.

2369
01:46:18,583 --> 01:46:20,458
And how-- how would it affect
life on Earth

2370
01:46:20,625 --> 01:46:22,666
if this stuff was
widely available?

2371
01:46:22,875 --> 01:46:24,541
[Lazar]
That's tough to say.
I mean, you have

2372
01:46:25,083 --> 01:46:28,000
a different-- a completely
different mode of travel.

2373
01:46:28,166 --> 01:46:31,416
Uh... what happens when
you can play with time?

2374
01:46:32,041 --> 01:46:34,250
Uh, that gets into a-- a really
[chuckles]

2375
01:46:34,416 --> 01:46:36,708
deep philosophical,
you know, question there.

2376
01:46:36,875 --> 01:46:38,583
[Knapp]
But I mean, we could--
it would change

2377
01:46:38,875 --> 01:46:40,583
a lot of stuff,
change everything.

2378
01:46:40,750 --> 01:46:42,291
[Lazar]
Oh yeah, it would change
absolutely everything.

2379
01:46:42,791 --> 01:46:44,125
[Knapp]
Think it'll ever come out?

2380
01:46:44,916 --> 01:46:45,958
[Lazar]
Personally, no.

2381
01:46:46,125 --> 01:46:48,166
[ominous sci-fi music]

2382
01:46:54,041 --> 01:46:56,916
I have yet to be able to
really prove my story.

2383
01:46:57,375 --> 01:46:59,791
I've been accused of
lying and fabricating

2384
01:46:59,958 --> 01:47:02,250
this story for many,
many years.

2385
01:47:02,750 --> 01:47:04,250
Although I've always said

2386
01:47:04,416 --> 01:47:06,416
there's no way for me
to prove my story,

2387
01:47:06,583 --> 01:47:08,083
I always thought it
was important to

2388
01:47:08,250 --> 01:47:11,208
let the world know
what I saw at S4.

2389
01:47:12,041 --> 01:47:14,833
There's no doubt in my mind
that these crafts exist.

2390
01:47:15,500 --> 01:47:18,708
I saw one, and was personally
inside one.

2391
01:47:19,625 --> 01:47:22,000
This is possibly one of the
biggest secrets,

2392
01:47:22,166 --> 01:47:25,666
if not the biggest secret,
held in the world today.

2393
01:47:26,583 --> 01:47:28,791
Prior to becoming involved
with the project,

2394
01:47:29,333 --> 01:47:32,041
I really never believed
in flying saucers.

2395
01:47:32,541 --> 01:47:35,125
I didn't follow
flying saucer stories,

2396
01:47:35,416 --> 01:47:37,625
read the literature
associated with it,

2397
01:47:37,958 --> 01:47:41,500
or pay attention to
any of the news reports.

2398
01:47:42,208 --> 01:47:45,833
My experience at S4 certainly
changed my outlook on all this.

2399
01:47:46,875 --> 01:47:48,666
And now I know for a fact

2400
01:47:48,833 --> 01:47:50,000
that we are not alone.

2401
01:47:50,166 --> 01:47:52,208
[eerie synth music]

2402
01:48:18,208 --> 01:48:20,250
[retro synth music]

2403
01:48:53,666 --> 01:48:55,708
[music continues]

2404
01:49:01,625 --> 01:49:03,666
[flames roaring]

2405
01:49:07,083 --> 01:49:09,125
[muffled explosion]

2406
01:49:26,958 --> 01:49:29,000
[muffled explosion]

2407
01:49:29,458 --> 01:49:31,500
[music fades]

2408
01:49:34,166 --> 01:49:38,833
These original maps, uh, were
sent to us on behalf
of Gene Huff.

2409
01:49:39,083 --> 01:49:41,208
Gene Huff was kind enough
to order these

2410
01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:43,291
from the United States
government and have

2411
01:49:43,458 --> 01:49:45,083
these original maps sent to us.

2412
01:49:45,250 --> 01:49:48,708
These are from the United States
Department of the Interior

2413
01:49:49,125 --> 01:49:53,416
and these are maps of the
Groom Lake area,

2414
01:49:53,666 --> 01:49:57,250
the Ticaboo Valley as you
can see right here, and

2415
01:49:57,416 --> 01:49:59,291
the Papoose Lake area.

2416
01:49:59,458 --> 01:50:04,458
So these two are from
provisional editions of 1983.

2417
01:50:04,666 --> 01:50:06,375
And the one that
I have right here

2418
01:50:06,541 --> 01:50:07,791
is the one I was looking for.

2419
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,833
This is the one of Papoose Lake.

2420
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:11,250
So this one here

2421
01:50:11,583 --> 01:50:14,333
represents the exact
location where,

2422
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:16,083
uh, S4 is supposedly located.

2423
01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:18,000
So you've got Papoose Lake
right here,

2424
01:50:18,291 --> 01:50:20,833
you've got the hillside
where the base is located,

2425
01:50:21,291 --> 01:50:23,708
obviously the United States
Department of the Interior.

2426
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,583
And as I was looking at this,

2427
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:28,291
what I noticed in the bottom
left corner, it said

2428
01:50:28,458 --> 01:50:32,250
"Compiled from aerial
photographs taken in 1968."

2429
01:50:32,833 --> 01:50:35,750
So, we had actually referred
to some of these

2430
01:50:35,916 --> 01:50:37,666
back at the beginning
of our project to

2431
01:50:37,833 --> 01:50:39,750
recreate the entire
landscape there.

2432
01:50:40,083 --> 01:50:42,916
But what I noticed on
the map when I got it

2433
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:46,958
was it said,
"Map edited in 1989."

2434
01:50:47,250 --> 01:50:51,041
So on the bottom right corner,
it says "Papoose Lake, Nevada,

2435
01:50:51,333 --> 01:50:53,000
provisional edition 1989."

2436
01:50:53,166 --> 01:50:54,208
These are original maps.

2437
01:50:54,708 --> 01:50:56,125
These are numbered as well.

2438
01:50:56,291 --> 01:50:58,458
So these are not, uh--
these are not copies.

2439
01:50:58,625 --> 01:50:59,958
These are your
original ones from--

2440
01:51:00,125 --> 01:51:01,791
that you have to order
and pay for.

2441
01:51:01,958 --> 01:51:04,166
And I really wanna thank
Gene Huff for this.

2442
01:51:04,625 --> 01:51:06,416
And when you go
on their website,

2443
01:51:06,750 --> 01:51:09,916
and you get to see the exact
maps, you-- you can actually,

2444
01:51:10,166 --> 01:51:11,708
uh, see them and download them.

2445
01:51:12,166 --> 01:51:14,750
They have a stamp on
this particular one

2446
01:51:14,916 --> 01:51:17,291
of the Papoose Lake, uh, area.

2447
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:22,416
And the provisional edition
was stamped May 1989.

2448
01:51:22,958 --> 01:51:26,291
And why that's important is
because it just so happened

2449
01:51:26,458 --> 01:51:29,916
that that is exactly when
Bob Lazar went public.

2450
01:51:30,125 --> 01:51:34,916
He went public with the Dennis
interview in May of 1989.

2451
01:51:35,416 --> 01:51:37,458
[eerie synth music]

2452
01:51:40,250 --> 01:51:42,166
[inaudible]

2453
01:51:56,125 --> 01:51:57,375
[Vendittelli]
Do you believe

2454
01:51:57,875 --> 01:52:01,500
that it's possible
that the government will

2455
01:52:01,666 --> 01:52:06,250
come clean anytime soon with
what's really going on?

2456
01:52:07,291 --> 01:52:10,041
You know, I think probably

2457
01:52:10,333 --> 01:52:12,916
because of religion,
they'd be hesitant to do it.

2458
01:52:14,291 --> 01:52:16,333
[music continues]

2459
01:52:31,291 --> 01:52:33,166
Uh-- You got
the seat really well.

2460
01:52:35,416 --> 01:52:37,125
-[cheering]
-[grunting]

2461
01:52:37,291 --> 01:52:39,333
[cheering and clapping]

2462
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:43,250
[woman] Bob! Bob!

2463
01:52:44,500 --> 01:52:47,000
-[explosion]
-[boy] Oh shit!

2464
01:52:48,041 --> 01:52:50,083
[laughing]

2465
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,125
-[laughing]
-Don't do it!

2466
01:53:02,291 --> 01:53:03,791
[laughing]

2467
01:53:04,333 --> 01:53:06,375
[music continues]

2468
01:53:14,416 --> 01:53:16,833
-[electric whirring]
-W-- it's not gonna hurt you.

2469
01:53:25,583 --> 01:53:28,083
You have to keep
your options open and...

2470
01:53:28,875 --> 01:53:30,875
maybe they've narrowed
down or proven

2471
01:53:31,041 --> 01:53:33,416
you know, where they came from.

2472
01:53:35,291 --> 01:53:38,000
Somebody has to have
a lot more answers.