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- Close it?
- Yeah.
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Perfect.
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My name's Lauryn Licari.
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I grew up in Beal City, Michigan.
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Beal City is so extremely small.
There's one stoplight and two bars.
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I go to Beal City High School.
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It's a really small school
in a small area,
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and everybody knows everybody.
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My name is Sophie Weber.
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I go to Beal City High School
with Owen and Macy and Lauryn.
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There's nothing in the area to do
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besides walk around the small town.
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No one really has anything better to do
than talk about other people.
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Like, even the parents.
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Like, they talk about
what us teenagers are doing,
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and I feel like that's kind of
a toxic thing that just gets passed down.
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A lot of people spend
up to 13 hours on their phone a day,
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which I think is
a little bit, like, excessive.
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I really like going on my phone.
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I love going on TikTok and Snapchat.
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I love texting my friends.
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It's kind of the only way
that people communicate now,
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like, is with their phones.
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Go, little mama, shake it fast...
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I was 13 years old
when I got my first phone.
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Everyone else had a phone, you know?
I just... I wanted to fit in.
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I was getting to that age where, like,
social media was becoming popular,
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and I just wanted to be cool, you know?
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Your phone can be a good thing
to, like, communicate with your friends,
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but it could definitely be a way
that something dangerous could happen.
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It's crazy how having a phone could become
the worst thing that happened to me.
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A high school girl in Michigan
was cyberbullied for more than a year.
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And who turned out to be the suspect
shocked everyone.
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There were details in some of the texts
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that made it seem
as though somebody was stalking them.
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You had to be careful
of every single word you said,
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or else you could look guilty.
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These texts were coming in
at a clip of 40, 50 a day.
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When they involve the state police
and then eventually the FBI,
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you can just see how fast this escalates.
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Have you ever sent anything
to either one of them like this?
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This is felony stalking.
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I have to make sure you are safe
before I leave.
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The more friends you have,
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the easier it is to be betrayed by them.
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It's crazy how something
like that could happen at Beal.
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Things were about to get so much worse.
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There was a girl in my class
that threw a Halloween party every year,
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and all of our classmates would go,
and all of our parents would go.
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We were about a year
into our relationship, me and Lauryn,
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and she was not invited,
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{\an8}but, like, I basically invited her.
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{\an8}Like, "If I'm going,
you're gonna come with me."
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I didn't wanna go to the Halloween party.
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She wasn't a fan
of the girls in our grade.
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She just wanted it to be me and her,
no one else.
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About two weeks
before the Halloween party,
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we got a text from an unknown number
in a group chat.
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...and we are both down to fuck.
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I was just really confused
of who this could be.
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Maybe one of our friends
just trying to mess with me and Owen.
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I asked Khloe 'cause we were,
like, best friends, and it was her party.
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You know, I'm like,
"Do you know who sent this?"
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Or, like, "Did you send it?"
You know, just asking around.
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I was like, "Okay, it's just gonna stop.
Just give it some time."
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After the Halloween party,
the messages had kind of stopped,
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and things seemed to get better.
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Everything is normal, you know,
at the school. Like, everyone's friends.
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You know, like,
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there was, like, no beef between anyone
that would have started these messages.
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I was actually excited
about the new school year.
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But then, after almost a year,
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the messages came back.
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It seemed like the text messages
were trying to break me and Owen up.
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I knew it wasn't somebody I knew
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because I would have had
their phone number saved in my phone.
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There was no reason for it, you know?
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Like, the first text
was for the Halloween party.
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Like, this just happened,
and then we got more.
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I wanted them to answer the phone
so we could maybe figure out who it was.
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But they would just text us
right after we called them.
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They would never answer the phone.
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In a lot of the texts, the unknown sender
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called me by my nickname, Lo.
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So it really made me think it had to be
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someone who had been around me
or one of my close friends before.
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I was getting
at least six text messages-plus a day.
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It was just really annoying
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because I knew
Owen wasn't involved with it,
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and I knew he didn't know
what was going on either.
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Before all of this, dating Owen,
I was just having a good life.
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I loved life.
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Daydreams...
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I first met Owen in seventh grade
when I was 12 years old.
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Move me, baby, like no one's watching...
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I thought he was cute.
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Lauryn was shy,
but, you know, she was sweet.
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She was caring.
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We always just were talking,
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and then one day,
eventually, I asked her out.
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It was very, like, nerve-racking.
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And so I was like, "I don't know
if I'm ready for this." I was super red.
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My head is spinning...
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Lauryn started talking
to a boy named Owen.
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{\an8}And I'm like, "You're talking to a boy?
Aren't you a little young for that?"
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{\an8}You know, dad talk, you know?
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{\an8}They liked a lot of the same stuff,
you know? A lot of the sports.
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They went trick-or-treating together.
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Little things like that.
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What was your first date?
Where did you go?
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Hmm.
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Mom, do you know?
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{\an8}I remember Owen just coming home
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{\an8}and telling me
there was this cute blonde in his class.
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Daydreams, I hear the...
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They shared common interests,
particularly in athletics.
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{\an8}Owen was very athletic
and involved in sports, and so was Lauryn,
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{\an8}and so I thought
they were a really nice fit.
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We all just started hanging out
as a group, started doing things.
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My whole family liked her.
You know, we just clicked.
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{\an8}Kendra and Owen's mom, Jill,
became really good friends.
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{\an8}We would invite each other over.
We'd have bonfires and just hang out
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and spend time together
while the kids were off playing.
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- Yeah.
- It's gonna go.
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It'll set on fire.
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Lauryn and Owen, they were
always smiling and giggling together.
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They were just like
a high-school couple in a movie.
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Their freshman year,
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they were referred to
as the golden couple.
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I do think that there was some jealousy,
you know, in their class,
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maybe wanting a relationship,
or wanting boys to notice the girls,
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and, you know, they both had that.
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I'm sure there was some... some of that.
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Beal City School is preschool
through 12th grade, all in one building.
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The people in my high school,
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I've grown up with
since kindergarten, basically.
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There are only 30 kids a class.
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We all have group chats.
We're all friends.
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No one really, truly hates each other.
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We had this class together,
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which was science,
and we would sit together.
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And one day,
Owen told us what was going on.
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At first, it was like,
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"Oh, I'm getting these weird messages.
I don't know who they're from."
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But as they would come in more,
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he would start to tell us, like,
actually what they were saying
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and how they were saying things
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from the conversations
we were having in class.
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I never really suspected
it was the boys in our grade,
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just 'cause the boys in our grade
aren't super involved with people.
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They don't really care about drama.
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Boys don't really have drama. We just
play sports and have fun. That's all.
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Usually, there's a lot of mean girls.
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I wanted to try to narrow it down
to a certain amount of people.
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We would FaceTime each other at night
and just talk about it
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and be like, "Okay,
what came up in the text today?"
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Like, "Who was around?"
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We were making a list
of what group it could be
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or who specifically it could be.
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I feel like, at Beal,
like, there's certain groups.
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The more popular one,
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then there was the cheer group that...
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They were just cheerleaders.
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And there was just another group of girls
that my cousin Adrianna was in,
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who didn't have much drama.
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And I thought
it could've been the quieter ones
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'cause they could have been more techy.
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I was like,
"Is it someone that even goes to Beal?"
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"Is it someone inside the school?"
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If it's a student,
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when I get it at a certain time,
there's only so many people it can be.
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If I got a text message
during the middle of a school day,
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I would look around
and see if anyone was on their phone.
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They knew, like,
what I was doing in class, I feel like.
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Fuckin' trash bitch.
Don't fuckin' wear leggings...
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I would question what I wear to school,
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how I look, how's my hair.
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Definitely affected
how I thought about myself.
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Lauryn came home from school one day,
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and she just had
this look on her face and attitude.
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And I'm like, "What's going on?"
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She's just like,
"No, I just got this dumb text at school."
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I was just getting
super frustrated with it.
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But my mom was like, "Just ignore them."
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"Obviously, you're beautiful."
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Like, she was just encouraging me
to not read them.
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I told her just to keep being her
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and just not even worry
about anything, right?
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I didn't believe
anybody would do anything harmful.
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Then it started to get worse and worse.
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It was so bad where I didn't want
to even go to school anymore.
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I didn't really know who to trust.
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And then I said, "Okay, that's it.
I have to tell my parents."
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They're 13.
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If this is a ninth-grade girl or boy,
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these are pretty intense.
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We started, unfortunately,
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having to take Owen's phone every night.
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I tried to fight them on it. I haven't had
my phone for a year. I wanted privacy.
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{\an8}We would have to sit and read
all the messages, start to end.
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There were times that these text messages
were coming in at a clip of, you know,
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30, 40, 50 a day.
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And that just seemed very, very excessive.
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Shawn and Kendra and Dave and I decided,
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"Okay, the four of us
need to go to the school and sit down
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and really show
how terrible this has gotten."
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We were hoping
for some type of action, right?
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'Cause some of the messages
were happening during school hours.
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The school is responsible for them
when they're on school property.
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So we really thought
the school would, you know, kind of,
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"Let's see what we can do."
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Unfortunately, in my opinion,
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I don't think
the school handled things very well.
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I thought we were gonna be doing a typical
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cyberbullying type of investigation,
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{\an8}which we handle a lot of,
unfortunately, in schools today.
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{\an8}Obviously, this situation turned out
much different than most.
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{\an8}When they showed me
some of the text messages,
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{\an8}I... I... I was astounded
by how vitriolic they were.
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I've never seen
this kind of volume in my career.
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What in the world?
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They were vulgar
and nasty enough in nature
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to make a 53-year-old man blush.
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The evidence was extraordinary,
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the egregiousness of these texts,
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and we knew this was a serious matter.
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Me and Owen got called out
of last hour, I think it was,
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and we walked in there, and I was like,
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"Oh no, this is not about to happen."
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"I'm so scared."
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We didn't know exactly what was going on,
so we called Lauryn in,
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'cause we didn't know.
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She could be sending them
to herself for attention or...
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We had no clue.
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So we would try to, like,
say things loud next to certain people
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to see if it would get brought up
into the text messages.
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And the only time
it got brought into the text
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was when we would say it around Lauryn,
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which was definitely a red flag.
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Lauryn would never really directly
talk to me about things.
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Lauryn was always just, like, to herself,
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never showed any emotion,
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and only talked about, like, sports
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and just stuff
that didn't really mean a lot to her.
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Everybody want to know
What I would do if I didn't win
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I guess we'll never know
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She had friends,
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but not, like, a ton,
and she was always kind of a quiet person.
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So I thought that Lauryn could have been
sending the text messages to herself
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to try to, honestly, get closer with Owen.
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And it kind of seemed like
she wanted attention,
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and this would be a way
that she could get it.
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We talked to Owen and Lauryn,
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but we did feel that we ruled them out
pretty quickly by their responses,
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genuine responses.
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It kind of became
a little hot topic of the school.
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There's 700 kids that go to Beal City.
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Really, at this point,
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you know, this could be anybody.
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I went to some of my students
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who I knew would be
the most truthful with me
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and asked them about the situation.
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We asked every question imaginable
to these kids.
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They knew little to nothing about it.
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So I began with some video surveillance,
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marking when the text would come in,
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and then looking at video to see
if we could see someone in the hallway
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sending a text at that particular time.
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Mr. Boyer wanted me to text him
when I got a text message,
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so then he could see
who was on their phone.
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So that I would know, here's a time stamp,
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and we could begin checking cameras
and looking to see
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if we see someone
who excused themself from class.
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They did all this, and they still couldn't
come up with it, you know?
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And they kept getting these text messages.
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It's hard to say if they're sending
a Snapchat or a harassing text
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when we're just looking at video.
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Kendra and I started comparing notes.
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We were at the school almost every day
with a practice or some sort of event.
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So it would just be like, "Hey, you know,
did Lauryn get any messages today?"
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"This is what Owen got."
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Jill and I spoke about it.
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When we were together,
we could talk about just about anything,
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share things, you know,
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kind of really feel,
like, a support there.
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We would sit down
and have conversations with Mr. Boyer
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about the messages.
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Some of the first techniques
that we talked about
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is to simply block the caller.
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In this case, that wasn't possible
because they were using
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a random number generator application
for their phone.
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You know, we did try blocking the number,
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but then it would come
from another number.
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We gave further advice
to change the students' numbers.
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We did contemplate that for a while,
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but we knew that it was someone
that we were close with.
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The information that they knew.
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They knew where they were at all the time,
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and we were afraid of never finding out
and allowing this person into our home.
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You know, if it's one of their friends,
are we inviting them over?
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Are we opening the doors
to somebody who did so much damage?
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So we were not willing to give up
that hope of finding out.
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I can't tell you the countless times
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just standing in the principal's office,
in tears, going,
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"Can we please enforce
a cell phone policy?"
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"Why does my kid have access
to look at this
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when he should be learning?"
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I'm kind of all over the board
with kids having phones at school,
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because our cell phones...
I mean, I use mine as a personal office.
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I work a lot from my phone.
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You know, I know that they can be used
in a classroom as an educational tool.
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So me and Lauryn were fine
through the text messages,
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but then they started to make Lauryn
question herself and our relationship.
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And then the texter was saying
that we hung out.
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So then I was like,
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"Okay, I don't even know
if I can trust Owen anymore."
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Me and Lauryn got into a lot more fights.
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She would accuse me
of things that aren't true at all
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'cause she would listen
to the text messages.
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We were just getting mad
at each other about it
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when we shouldn't have been
mad at each other.
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The one thing the texter wanted
was for me and Lauryn to break up.
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Me and Lauryn, we FaceTime,
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and I told her that it just got too much
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and that maybe if we give them
what they want and they stop,
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maybe one day, we can try again.
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She was very heartbroken.
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She was super hurt.
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He was my first love.
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We had been together for over two years.
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And we just kind of stopped
talking to each other.
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I talked to Lauryn, just reminding her,
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"You know who Owen is,
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and... as a person,
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even if he didn't like you,
he's not gonna say these things."
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And, unfortunately,
it became a strain in their relationship.
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The messages had
just gotten to be too much,
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and I think that's really what the last
several months of their relationship
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revolved around, was,
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"Did you talk to this girl?"
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"Were you, you know, with this person?"
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'Cause it's a lot of lies.
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I feel like, in the messages,
all they want us to do was break up.
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But then, when we broke up,
it seemed like the messages got worse.
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The fact that they're still going
after the one thing they wanted,
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that was really heartbreaking.
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When I first read that,
I was, like, totally in shock.
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Made me definitely feel sad.
I was in a bad mental state.
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This is getting bad.
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There are some sick messages.
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"Lauryn needs to go kill herself."
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"She shouldn't be alive.
She shouldn't be at this school anymore."
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My blood pressure is skyrocketing.
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When I think about a student
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who's been subjected
to this kind of harassment
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for this period of time,
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I'm worried about their mental health.
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The incredible toll that that must take
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on the emotional well-being
of a young person.
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{\an8}It could definitely
mess with someone's mind.
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{\an8}What happens one day
if this kid has enough of this
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{\an8}and they're not getting the satisfaction
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or the reaction that they're wanting
from the messages anymore?
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One day, somebody is going to snap.
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I said,
"We gotta nail this son of a bitch."
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When the physical harm
started coming out in the messages,
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we were afraid, as parents,
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that something could happen
to our children.
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It was a breaking point.
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That was also about the time
that Officer Main got involved.
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I was contacted by the school district
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in regards to some cyberbullying
and harassment.
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We met at the Beal City high school.
Both sets of parents were there.
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The school superintendent
and principal were there.
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{\an8}And the parents explained
that this harassment had been going on
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for over a year.
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Both Jill and Kendra, the mothers,
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they were extremely concerned
about their children,
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their mental health status,
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how it was affecting
their school academics.
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They were pleading for help.
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The worst fear ever
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is that both of the kids
have emotional trauma over this.
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And when that gets to the point
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where they can't sustain
that emotional trauma anymore,
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their potential
for risk of self-harm is huge.
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It's actually extremely concerning.
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I knew I was looking
for a group of students
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who had a very close bond.
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Like, they're sworn to secrecy.
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They're not gonna tell anybody
about what's going on.
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00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:25,237
So early on,
I thought that's probably what it was.
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Once or twice a week,
Sheriff Main would come to school
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and just ask questions like,
"When was your last message?"
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"What was it about?"
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How are things transpiring? Any different?
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- Anything less, more, same?
- Hmm.
400
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- Not as many messages.
- Okay.
401
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,593
Don't let it get you down.
It's just garbage. Somebody's...
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Somebody needs some serious help.
So, um, we'll go from there.
403
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Shot is good.
404
00:23:56,935 --> 00:24:00,146
During basketball season,
I started getting messages
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related to our games.
406
00:24:02,524 --> 00:24:04,442
I remember there was one basketball game
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where I didn't have
any points or something,
408
00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:10,073
so they were hating on me in the messages.
409
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:18,122
The sad part is
that Lauryn is a really good athlete,
410
00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:20,834
and she just, you know, kind of gave up.
411
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,338
Maybe somebody watching the game
could have been sending it.
412
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There were details in some of the texts
413
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that made it seem as though
that somebody was stalking them.
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I called Kendra and said, "You know
the girls on the basketball team."
415
00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:45,650
"I don't know them very well."
416
00:24:46,443 --> 00:24:49,653
"Does this look like any of them?
I mean, you've coached them."
417
00:24:49,654 --> 00:24:51,071
"Who competes with Lauryn?"
418
00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:53,574
This is where I started to really think,
419
00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:57,871
"Okay, is somebody on the high school team
jealous or envious?"
420
00:24:58,705 --> 00:25:00,706
I got one text
where the sender talked about
421
00:25:00,707 --> 00:25:03,293
how many points they scored
in the game the night before.
422
00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:06,295
So me and my mom thought
maybe we could figure out
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who scored that many points.
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00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:10,966
My mom was a volunteer scorekeeper
at most games,
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00:25:10,967 --> 00:25:13,053
so she thought
we could look at the score chart.
426
00:25:13,553 --> 00:25:17,182
And when we looked,
only one person had that amount of points.
427
00:25:17,682 --> 00:25:18,891
Khloe Wilson.
428
00:25:18,892 --> 00:25:21,353
It's like, "Whoa." Like, "Hold on."
429
00:25:25,899 --> 00:25:27,108
"It can't be Khloe."
430
00:25:29,611 --> 00:25:32,112
Khloe and Owen kind of like...
431
00:25:32,113 --> 00:25:35,658
They weren't... I don't know
how to explain their relationship.
432
00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:40,288
They were a little bit more than friends.
They kind of always liked each other.
433
00:25:40,872 --> 00:25:42,540
Khloe really had a crush on Owen.
434
00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:46,419
I think she would always just go
and talk to him just to make me jealous.
435
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,380
Owen and Khloe became,
like, really good friends,
436
00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:51,215
but then he started dating Lauryn.
437
00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:53,510
So, yeah,
Lauryn and Khloe never got along.
438
00:25:54,886 --> 00:25:57,513
Khloe wasn't the nicest person growing up,
439
00:25:57,514 --> 00:26:02,268
and she wasn't a bully, but she...
she wasn't a nice person by any means.
440
00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:04,812
And I think
that she said some things to Lauryn
441
00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:06,730
that just made Lauryn not like her.
442
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:07,773
I didn't like Khloe
443
00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:11,361
because I feel like we just had
two completely different vibes.
444
00:26:12,028 --> 00:26:16,241
We played basketball together,
and we just didn't match each other.
445
00:26:16,741 --> 00:26:19,702
We were told by the school that,
when we took the name,
446
00:26:19,703 --> 00:26:22,956
like, "Could this potentially...
Could you see this being Khloe?"
447
00:26:23,456 --> 00:26:26,585
At that point, it was like,
"Well, we've had some issues in the past."
448
00:26:28,336 --> 00:26:32,840
{\an8}Seventh through eighth grade, there was
just multiple allegations against Khloe
449
00:26:32,841 --> 00:26:36,176
{\an8}where she was bullying
or she wasn't being nice to this person.
450
00:26:36,177 --> 00:26:41,015
The principal called Khloe in constantly,
and she's like, "I'm not doing anything."
451
00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:42,891
Where I wanna go, break free
452
00:26:42,892 --> 00:26:45,269
Tattoos on her body
And she light-skin...
453
00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,687
She was a leader.
454
00:26:46,688 --> 00:26:49,857
At the time, she had a huge friend group.
455
00:26:49,858 --> 00:26:51,150
It spanned, you know...
456
00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:53,360
- To other schools.
- ...to several other schools.
457
00:26:53,361 --> 00:26:56,947
And, you know,
so I think that, to some people...
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I'm not gonna say
they were offended by that,
459
00:26:59,034 --> 00:27:03,455
but maybe they wanted
that sort of thing for themselves.
460
00:27:13,757 --> 00:27:17,134
I started to look at a young lady
by the name of Khloe Wilson.
461
00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:20,013
She had scored the 12 points
in the basketball game.
462
00:27:21,222 --> 00:27:24,099
I learned that there was
a lot of messaging going on,
463
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:25,851
talking about a Halloween party.
464
00:27:25,852 --> 00:27:29,438
And it was interesting
because I discovered that that party,
465
00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:32,317
it was actually put on
by Khloe and her family.
466
00:27:33,526 --> 00:27:37,905
Maybe Khloe was interested in Owen
and that was one of the other motives.
467
00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:39,032
Was she
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00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:41,242
jealous of Lauryn?
469
00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:45,579
- All right. Khloe, how are you?
- Hi.
470
00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:46,955
Have a seat right here.
471
00:27:46,956 --> 00:27:48,916
Sheriff Main, here you go.
472
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Tell me your story. I mean, let's hear it.
473
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:54,380
Okay. So... I didn't even...
474
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I didn't know about all of this stuff
475
00:27:56,925 --> 00:28:00,219
that was happening until, like,
probably around volleyball season.
476
00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:03,222
I would just hear, like, little things
here and there from Owen.
477
00:28:03,223 --> 00:28:06,350
I didn't really talk to them
that much at all really.
478
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:08,060
Like, I'm not close with Lauryn.
479
00:28:08,061 --> 00:28:11,146
And... ...then it started
getting blamed on me.
480
00:28:11,147 --> 00:28:13,691
There's 348 pages.
481
00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:17,861
They're nasty. I mean, they're...
they're past, like, harassment. These are...
482
00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:19,321
This is stalking.
483
00:28:19,322 --> 00:28:21,740
I just wanna get it stopped.
Like, it's gotta stop.
484
00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:24,201
Well, I don't have anything to do with it.
485
00:28:24,202 --> 00:28:27,871
I'm with people all the time,
and if something were happening like that,
486
00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:29,124
someone would see it.
487
00:28:30,041 --> 00:28:34,212
I thought, "Khloe's gonna get away
with this. Her dad is a police officer."
488
00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:37,005
"He's gonna do certain things
to get rid of things."
489
00:28:37,006 --> 00:28:40,218
And there was all kinds of, like,
thoughts going on with that.
490
00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,846
I did some research
and asked questions at the school,
491
00:28:43,847 --> 00:28:46,515
and they said Sophie and Macy
are really good friends with Khloe.
492
00:28:46,516 --> 00:28:49,435
They're a pretty close group.
So I thought, "Well, there we are."
493
00:28:49,436 --> 00:28:51,061
"There's my close group."
494
00:28:51,062 --> 00:28:55,232
"There's the three that are...
that know about what's going on here."
495
00:28:55,233 --> 00:28:57,693
"I'll talk to one
of these two young girls."
496
00:28:57,694 --> 00:28:59,404
"We'll get to the bottom of this quickly."
497
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:08,620
Me and Sophie have always been close.
Our parents were super close friends.
498
00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:12,250
And so our whole childhood, basically,
was spending time with each other.
499
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,836
I might have been, like,
taking Owen away from Sophie a little bit,
500
00:29:15,837 --> 00:29:17,839
so she might have wanted
to get back at me.
501
00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:20,132
- Hi. Sophie?
- Yeah.
502
00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:22,385
Hi. I'm talking to lots of people today.
503
00:29:23,052 --> 00:29:24,345
Any idea why?
504
00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:28,682
I don't know. I kind of have an idea,
'cause I'm close with Owen.
505
00:29:28,683 --> 00:29:30,392
Okay. Are you friends with Khloe?
506
00:29:30,393 --> 00:29:32,269
Yeah, she's one of my close friends.
507
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:33,979
Do you think Khloe would do it?
508
00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:36,356
I couldn't, 'cause her dad's a police,
509
00:29:36,357 --> 00:29:39,109
so she wouldn't be dumb enough
to do something like that.
510
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:40,027
Thank you.
511
00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:42,654
I got a phone call from Mike Main
512
00:29:42,655 --> 00:29:47,409
{\an8}stating that he had pulled Sophie
into an interview,
513
00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:50,455
and they had actually interviewed
an entire group of kids.
514
00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:55,125
I remember reaching out to Korin,
who's my best friend,
515
00:29:55,126 --> 00:29:57,628
saying, "Can you please talk
to your daughter about this?"
516
00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:00,256
"This is getting out of control."
517
00:30:01,049 --> 00:30:04,761
So I had taken Sophie's phone
and gone through it.
518
00:30:05,261 --> 00:30:08,138
She was looking if there's messages
from Khloe to Sophie,
519
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:10,475
or if Sophie has these burner apps
on her phone.
520
00:30:11,142 --> 00:30:13,936
There had been arguments
and, you know, yelling.
521
00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:17,607
"I think you know what's going on.
You have to know."
522
00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:22,528
Khloe, Macy,
Sophie were always in a certain area,
523
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,573
just all huddled up together
on their phones.
524
00:30:32,121 --> 00:30:35,916
At that point, the parents started to get
more and more upset with the school
525
00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:37,417
because we weren't doing more.
526
00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:39,503
I reached out to the basketball coach,
527
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:42,714
who was fed up at this point
'cause the girls on the team are fighting.
528
00:30:42,715 --> 00:30:46,885
And I said, "Is there any way
that we can talk to your basketball team
529
00:30:46,886 --> 00:30:48,220
and just show them, like,
530
00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:52,058
'This is what's happening.
Can you go through your kids' phones?'"
531
00:30:52,809 --> 00:30:54,518
And he was like, "Yes, absolutely."
532
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,689
"I think this is a great idea.
Just run it through the school."
533
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,653
Then we were informed by Mr. Chillman
that that was not going to happen.
534
00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:06,655
The parents wanted
to come into classrooms.
535
00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:07,948
And they just...
536
00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:11,326
They wanted to get involved
in the investigation themselves,
537
00:31:11,327 --> 00:31:13,453
you know, have these group meetings
538
00:31:13,454 --> 00:31:16,790
and confront people
and start pointing fingers.
539
00:31:16,791 --> 00:31:18,959
We told the parents,
I told them point-blank,
540
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,296
"That isn't gonna go
how you think it's gonna go."
541
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,548
You got Jill and Kendra
going into the school,
542
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:26,091
just bitching at Dan.
543
00:31:26,092 --> 00:31:29,720
And luckily, the superintendent is like,
"You're crazy."
544
00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:31,764
They made quite a scene at the school.
545
00:31:33,725 --> 00:31:34,725
There was a point
546
00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:38,854
to where Owen was trying
to get Khloe to confess to this.
547
00:31:38,855 --> 00:31:42,399
He was giving her the what-for constantly,
like a daily thing.
548
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,736
Owen later texted Khloe
or called her the next day
549
00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:47,946
and said, "That was my mom.
I'm sorry about that."
550
00:31:47,947 --> 00:31:52,619
Jill was sending texts that wasn't...
that was not her, pretending to be Owen.
551
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,955
All the evidence kept pointing to Khloe.
552
00:31:56,623 --> 00:31:58,832
Me and Macy did confront her,
553
00:31:58,833 --> 00:32:01,960
and she, like... got upset,
554
00:32:01,961 --> 00:32:05,840
and she was like, "I... I'm not doing it.
I don't know why no one will believe me."
555
00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:16,767
Owen said something to me first.
"Are you doing this?"
556
00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:18,311
And I was just like, "No."
557
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:21,355
After a while,
I kept getting asked more and more,
558
00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:23,357
'cause after I got asked once,
559
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:26,194
it really just all started to look
more and more like me.
560
00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:31,615
As it continued,
Owen and Lauryn received area codes
561
00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:33,116
from an area in Florida.
562
00:32:33,117 --> 00:32:37,245
And we're told Khloe and her family
had taken a spring break trip
563
00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:39,248
to the Florida area
during that period of time.
564
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:44,169
So when those messages come in
with those area codes, you start to think,
565
00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:47,297
"Okay, this is, you know,
potentially pointing right back to her
566
00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:48,549
as a person of interest."
567
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,343
I don't think we were across the border
568
00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:52,552
for not even an hour,
569
00:32:52,553 --> 00:32:55,682
and Mike's texting us
that it's coming from Florida now.
570
00:32:57,350 --> 00:33:00,894
I was just like, "It's not me.
I don't know what you want me to do."
571
00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:03,146
And my dad was like,
"You should get your phone dumped."
572
00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:07,276
Khloe and her family provided
Khloe's phone for a forensic download.
573
00:33:08,528 --> 00:33:10,655
But there was just nothing on her phone.
574
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,503
Khloe was searched by the police,
her phone was dumped,
575
00:33:26,504 --> 00:33:30,424
and we kept on getting messages
saying that she got her phone dumped.
576
00:33:30,425 --> 00:33:33,552
It was weird
because if Khloe was the one texting,
577
00:33:33,553 --> 00:33:35,262
why would she reference herself?
578
00:33:35,263 --> 00:33:37,931
I would get texts
of pictures of me and Khloe,
579
00:33:37,932 --> 00:33:39,933
and it just... it just got so weird.
580
00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:42,020
Like, she was referencing herself
too much.
581
00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:46,357
{\an8}Why would Khloe send a picture of herself
if she didn't wanna get caught?
582
00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:52,697
Nobody would actually
directly point to themselves.
583
00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:55,908
It almost had to be
somebody setting her up.
584
00:33:57,702 --> 00:34:00,954
I was just thinking about
who in my class would want to, like,
585
00:34:00,955 --> 00:34:03,666
frame me like this and just do this.
586
00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:10,881
As an investigator,
587
00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:14,676
we have to be very careful
that we don't get that tunnel vision.
588
00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:18,138
We were probably over
a thousand pages of full messages.
589
00:34:18,139 --> 00:34:20,057
So I read every one of them,
590
00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:22,769
looking for that... that hidden clue.
591
00:34:24,353 --> 00:34:25,437
A few weeks prior,
592
00:34:25,438 --> 00:34:31,151
there was a text message conversation
about a sweatshirt and a phone case,
593
00:34:31,152 --> 00:34:33,154
and a picture had been taken.
594
00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:39,869
And that picture was sent to Owen
and Lauryn from this perpetrator.
595
00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:46,666
{\an8}It was very alarming
596
00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:48,710
because the only people
that would have been able
597
00:34:48,711 --> 00:34:51,254
to even take that picture
at our family Christmas
598
00:34:51,255 --> 00:34:54,174
were obviously people
that were there with us,
599
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,051
which would just have been our families.
600
00:34:56,052 --> 00:35:00,639
Sheriff Main asked us who would have been
potentially at the Christmas
601
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,849
that also would have been in Owen's class.
602
00:35:02,850 --> 00:35:05,602
The only family member
that is in Owen's class
603
00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:07,730
is his cousin Adrianna.
604
00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:14,694
I think Adrianna
could have been a part of this.
605
00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:18,282
She was in a group of girls
that just kind of kept to themselves.
606
00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:21,701
We grew up playing sports together
with these girls,
607
00:35:21,702 --> 00:35:24,621
and maybe they thought
I was just being rude to them,
608
00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:26,873
or I just didn't like them
for some reason,
609
00:35:26,874 --> 00:35:30,293
just 'cause I can be a little competitive
in sports and stuff like that.
610
00:35:30,294 --> 00:35:33,631
So maybe they just didn't like me
because of that, I thought.
611
00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:38,552
When we were in middle school,
Adrianna, like, made up this rumor
612
00:35:38,553 --> 00:35:42,890
that we bullied her
and that we threw carrots at her.
613
00:35:43,641 --> 00:35:45,559
Khloe thinks
somebody's setting her up.
614
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,228
Your cousin is, uh, Adrianna, right?
615
00:35:48,229 --> 00:35:49,146
Yes.
616
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:53,775
Sounds like maybe there was history
with Khloe or something from forever ago,
617
00:35:53,776 --> 00:35:56,903
but she was just trying to figure out
who could be doing it.
618
00:35:56,904 --> 00:36:01,283
There's no one else
that would dislike us that much
619
00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:04,036
to make it sound like
we're bullying someone else.
620
00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:09,417
{\an8}There was a couple of times
I did not wanna go to school.
621
00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:12,044
{\an8}It was a very stressful time for me.
622
00:36:12,587 --> 00:36:15,338
I was on the volleyball team
with Khloe, Macy, and Sophie.
623
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:18,091
They had their group,
and if you weren't part of that group,
624
00:36:18,092 --> 00:36:20,677
you were considered
what I call "the outsiders."
625
00:36:20,678 --> 00:36:24,140
And if you were an outsider,
they weren't nice to you.
626
00:36:24,932 --> 00:36:28,518
It was last volleyball season
that we dealt with Adrianna and her mom.
627
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:29,853
It started last year.
628
00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:32,522
They started this huge thing
in volleyball.
629
00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:36,484
And this... There was another time
that we got called into Boyer's office,
630
00:36:36,485 --> 00:36:38,069
and they got caught lying.
631
00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:40,739
{\an8}And it wasn't until a couple of parents
stood up,
632
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:43,617
{\an8}that go to the games, see all this,
say, "This is ridiculous."
633
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:45,119
{\an8}None of it's true.
634
00:36:46,829 --> 00:36:49,748
It makes you feel like
the entire world is going against you.
635
00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:51,834
Like, it feels like there is no way out.
636
00:36:52,335 --> 00:36:54,962
There was no good days I had
at that point.
637
00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:59,841
I didn't tell anybody.
My mom had noticed it, and she spoke up.
638
00:36:59,842 --> 00:37:01,593
She made a Facebook post.
639
00:37:01,594 --> 00:37:04,387
It wasn't calling anybody out or anything.
640
00:37:04,388 --> 00:37:07,474
She was just saying,
"This is what my kid is going through."
641
00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:09,769
"We need to get this fixed" type thing.
642
00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:12,313
And after that, it kind of...
643
00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:15,482
I wouldn't say it spiraled,
but it didn't get any better.
644
00:37:15,483 --> 00:37:19,653
{\an8}Parents were involved in it,
making all these Facebook posts.
645
00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:24,157
{\an8}Her mom was, like, on a "I'm a victim,"
you know, journey.
646
00:37:24,158 --> 00:37:28,079
My finger is pointing towards Adrianna.
That's who I think it is.
647
00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:32,082
People thought it was me
trying to frame Khloe
648
00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:34,460
because of the way
she had been treating me.
649
00:37:36,045 --> 00:37:39,214
When I first heard about the messages,
Owen had texted me
650
00:37:39,215 --> 00:37:42,217
and asked if, like,
I was getting these text messages.
651
00:37:42,218 --> 00:37:44,469
I remember I told him,
"Just send me the numbers."
652
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:47,973
"I'll check and see if I have them
in my contacts." And I did not.
653
00:37:47,974 --> 00:37:50,058
But that was really
the last I heard about it
654
00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:52,353
until after I got questioned by the cops.
655
00:37:53,396 --> 00:37:57,275
{\an8}The next step in the investigation
was obviously to speak with Adrianna.
656
00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:03,822
{\an8}I asked her if she was involved
or if she had any information on this.
657
00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:08,368
He was drilling me with questions.
Like, it was very intense.
658
00:38:08,369 --> 00:38:11,372
He had asked me, like,
if I had anything against Lauryn.
659
00:38:11,872 --> 00:38:15,084
Um, and, of course, I was like, "No,
I don't have anything against Lauryn."
660
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:20,673
I asked about the picture
that had been taken at a Christmas party.
661
00:38:22,675 --> 00:38:24,843
He had asked me
if I knew who took the picture
662
00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:26,511
or if I took the picture.
663
00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:28,930
I just... I didn't know
how people thought I could do that.
664
00:38:28,931 --> 00:38:33,268
But it was also very hurtful,
'cause I was this quiet kid at school.
665
00:38:33,269 --> 00:38:36,896
I didn't really talk to anybody.
I... I wronged nobody.
666
00:38:36,897 --> 00:38:40,735
I was just kinda confused
as to why they thought I would do that.
667
00:38:41,777 --> 00:38:45,405
Walking into class
after being questioned by Sheriff Main,
668
00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:48,408
everybody was looking at me
like they knew what happened.
669
00:38:48,409 --> 00:38:50,494
They were looking at me like I was guilty.
670
00:38:52,038 --> 00:38:56,876
My opinion towards police officers
has changed since then.
671
00:38:58,127 --> 00:39:01,714
Now, every time I pass a cop on the road,
like, I am scared.
672
00:39:02,298 --> 00:39:04,091
Like, I'm scared of cops now.
673
00:39:04,592 --> 00:39:06,926
It was very traumatic for her,
A, to think...
674
00:39:06,927 --> 00:39:09,929
I mean, you got called
into the office to talk to a cop
675
00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:12,349
about a situation
that she really didn't know a lot about.
676
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:16,729
And, I mean, absolutely, there was no way
that she was a part of this.
677
00:39:19,565 --> 00:39:21,649
After I had talked to Sheriff Main,
678
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:24,945
there was one day I was sitting
in the living room with my parents...
679
00:39:28,783 --> 00:39:31,369
...and I got a message
from an unknown number.
680
00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:45,466
I was terrified.
681
00:39:48,636 --> 00:39:51,513
As soon as I got the message,
I dropped my phone. I cried.
682
00:39:51,514 --> 00:39:54,683
Like, I was bawling my eyes out.
Like, I was... I was terrified.
683
00:39:56,936 --> 00:40:00,063
I was really worried about like,
"Who is this person?"
684
00:40:00,064 --> 00:40:01,815
"Why do they have my phone number?"
685
00:40:01,816 --> 00:40:05,361
It was scary 'cause I didn't think
that it would ever happen to me.
686
00:40:08,489 --> 00:40:12,784
In the spring of 2022,
we were not living our normal lives.
687
00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:15,371
Every night was practically sleepless.
688
00:40:27,341 --> 00:40:29,801
The messages would just go nonstop.
689
00:40:29,802 --> 00:40:34,389
{\an8}I mean, 1:00 in the morning,
3:00 in the morning. It was relentless.
690
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:37,726
{\an8}You wake up and see this. You're like,
"Oh, okay. Good morning to you too."
691
00:40:38,561 --> 00:40:42,230
Kind of turned into an argument
at home about these messages.
692
00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:47,068
And the tension in the house, you know,
you could just feel the vibe in the house.
693
00:40:47,069 --> 00:40:49,654
No one could get along right now,
you know,
694
00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:51,990
and just everybody is mad, you know.
695
00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:53,491
I started to yell at Kendra because,
696
00:40:53,492 --> 00:40:55,702
"You're doing nothing.
You told me you can handle this."
697
00:40:55,703 --> 00:40:58,289
And she's like, "Oh, you know what?
I'll keep taking care of it."
698
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,168
I wasn't spending enough time at home.
699
00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:07,046
Yes, Lauryn was a priority,
and I spent tons of time with her.
700
00:41:07,047 --> 00:41:10,967
But unfortunately...
Shawn wasn't made a priority.
701
00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:12,844
Kendra and I were arguing and fighting.
702
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:16,139
Then, all of a sudden, we had to start
moving from place to place.
703
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,017
Went through four houses
through all this mess.
704
00:41:19,018 --> 00:41:21,686
And it just, you know,
led to financial struggle,
705
00:41:21,687 --> 00:41:24,148
worse financial struggles
than we were already in.
706
00:41:24,899 --> 00:41:27,317
Lauryn can't sleep.
We're forcing her to go to school.
707
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:29,904
She's crying in the morning.
She doesn't wanna go to school.
708
00:41:41,373 --> 00:41:42,833
Like, reading them now,
709
00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:46,295
little me was just trying
to stick up for myself.
710
00:41:53,177 --> 00:41:54,553
{\an8}Uh-huh. Wow.
711
00:42:01,018 --> 00:42:04,646
{\an8}Oh my God. Clearly this is lack of sleep
and stress, but...
712
00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:05,689
{\an8}Okay.
713
00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:09,817
{\an8}So there is nothing...
nothing that we can do?
714
00:42:09,818 --> 00:42:11,612
{\an8}I... This is like...
715
00:42:12,112 --> 00:42:13,780
{\an8}Have we taken the phone,
changed the number?
716
00:42:13,781 --> 00:42:14,906
{\an8}I have the phone.
717
00:42:14,907 --> 00:42:16,867
{\an8}- Okay.
- I... I have it, um...
718
00:42:17,576 --> 00:42:19,619
{\an8}It's already going off all morning.
719
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:21,914
{\an8}It was horrible yesterday, and...
720
00:42:22,998 --> 00:42:26,167
{\an8}I... I don't know
how to handle Owen with it,
721
00:42:26,168 --> 00:42:28,170
{\an8}and, um...
722
00:42:28,879 --> 00:42:31,756
{\an8}I mean, there's no way to just track this
723
00:42:31,757 --> 00:42:33,633
{\an8}when they send their messages.
724
00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:34,759
{\an8}And they're doing it...
725
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,263
{\an8}They're taunting me right now about
726
00:42:38,764 --> 00:42:41,474
{\an8}the police, and, like, it's...
727
00:42:41,475 --> 00:42:42,433
{\an8}I just can't...
728
00:42:42,434 --> 00:42:45,103
{\an8}Did... did you get...
did you get Owen a new phone?
729
00:42:45,104 --> 00:42:46,062
{\an8}- No. No.
- Okay.
730
00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:48,107
{\an8}He just doesn't have one at the moment.
731
00:42:48,732 --> 00:42:50,483
Like, a week or so ago,
732
00:42:50,484 --> 00:42:52,235
I think it was two... Oh, no.
733
00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:54,070
They would not leave Owen alone.
734
00:42:54,071 --> 00:42:56,072
So he sent them this message
735
00:42:56,073 --> 00:43:00,286
that said, "I hope you people know
that you make me feel suicidal."
736
00:43:01,412 --> 00:43:04,122
Um, you know, he didn't actually
spell it all correctly,
737
00:43:04,123 --> 00:43:05,916
but that's what he responded,
738
00:43:06,917 --> 00:43:09,628
um, which totally put me over the edge.
739
00:43:12,756 --> 00:43:16,092
Jill had said to Mike
that she was gonna go to the papers
740
00:43:16,093 --> 00:43:17,928
if they couldn't figure something out.
741
00:43:19,263 --> 00:43:21,639
Mike Main had talked
to all of these people,
742
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,975
Khloe, Sophie, Macy, Adrianna,
743
00:43:23,976 --> 00:43:27,395
and still was no closer to finding out
who was behind this.
744
00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:31,024
Again, he said, "I think you're just gonna
have to get Owen another phone."
745
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:32,817
And I said, "That's not good enough."
746
00:43:32,818 --> 00:43:35,696
"Someone needs to be held accountable
for what they've done."
747
00:43:36,363 --> 00:43:40,826
I had tapped out the resources
that I felt that I had available to me.
748
00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:45,038
So I provided my reports
and my case to the FBI
749
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,916
and asked for assistance
in their cybercrimes unit.
750
00:43:51,754 --> 00:43:53,963
In April of '22,
751
00:43:53,964 --> 00:43:56,841
{\an8}Sheriff Mike Main
requested some assistance
752
00:43:56,842 --> 00:43:58,594
{\an8}in a case he was investigating.
753
00:43:59,345 --> 00:44:04,057
He gave me a thumb drive
that contained 720 pages of messages.
754
00:44:04,058 --> 00:44:09,188
Brad was appalled at the messages
and the lack of help.
755
00:44:09,688 --> 00:44:12,982
I've seen cases like this
where the victim can't handle any more,
756
00:44:12,983 --> 00:44:15,151
and they commit suicide, unfortunately.
757
00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:16,611
The first thing I wanted to do
758
00:44:16,612 --> 00:44:20,782
was a full phone extraction
of Owen's phone
759
00:44:20,783 --> 00:44:22,909
to see if, maybe somewhere in his phone,
760
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:26,664
I could gather some clues
as to who may be sending these messages.
761
00:44:28,457 --> 00:44:30,583
{\an8}I did perform a full extraction.
762
00:44:30,584 --> 00:44:34,545
So, basically, messages, pictures, emails,
763
00:44:34,546 --> 00:44:39,134
geolocations is presented to me
in separate files,
764
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:42,595
but I was not able to find anything
that was linking
765
00:44:42,596 --> 00:44:45,556
any of his friends
that may be sending these messages.
766
00:44:45,557 --> 00:44:49,061
So I didn't really gather anything new
after doing a phone extraction.
767
00:44:54,817 --> 00:44:56,651
I started dating a girl from Pinconning.
768
00:44:56,652 --> 00:45:00,030
We talked a lot. We were close.
Like, it was a serious thing.
769
00:45:01,115 --> 00:45:05,034
I slowly started to feel happy again.
Like, maybe everything will be okay.
770
00:45:05,035 --> 00:45:07,495
Owen had been over
in the Pinconning, Michigan, area,
771
00:45:07,496 --> 00:45:11,040
which is a couple hours away
from our location, for a sporting event,
772
00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:13,627
and had met a girl
and started communicating with this girl.
773
00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:16,462
One day, she texted me,
774
00:45:16,463 --> 00:45:20,717
and she's like, "Um, my mom just got
a random text from someone."
775
00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:22,885
And it... Here we go again.
776
00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:26,264
It's the same format, same words,
777
00:45:26,265 --> 00:45:30,561
telling the girl from Pinconning
to back off me 'cause I'm theirs.
778
00:45:35,357 --> 00:45:37,024
The texter went out of their way
779
00:45:37,025 --> 00:45:40,696
to find her mom's phone number
that lives in Pinconning.
780
00:45:41,363 --> 00:45:43,239
I just felt like
I couldn't do anything anymore.
781
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:44,240
I... I had no freedom.
782
00:45:44,241 --> 00:45:47,034
I felt like I couldn't date anyone
'cause I was putting them in danger,
783
00:45:47,035 --> 00:45:50,705
and just... I don't wanna put them through
the same thing Lauryn went through.
784
00:45:50,706 --> 00:45:54,792
It would eat me alive. Each and every day,
I'd feel like I'd lose trust in everyone.
785
00:45:54,793 --> 00:45:58,838
That was terrifying, knowing that
somebody was watching him that closely
786
00:45:58,839 --> 00:46:00,798
and also had the ability
787
00:46:00,799 --> 00:46:04,135
to find phone numbers
of people that I didn't even know.
788
00:46:04,136 --> 00:46:08,307
It was somebody who was truly watching,
like, every movement of his.
789
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,569
So me and the girl from Pinconning
ended up breaking up 'cause of this.
790
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:24,113
Now you're wondering
how would those messages,
791
00:46:24,114 --> 00:46:27,033
that we've seen
by the hundreds and hundreds of,
792
00:46:27,034 --> 00:46:28,952
start to go to this family?
793
00:46:29,953 --> 00:46:32,664
He was very fidgety and angry.
794
00:46:33,499 --> 00:46:38,336
The anger really started
to become apparent to us.
795
00:46:38,337 --> 00:46:41,380
A lot of aggression
on the basketball court
796
00:46:41,381 --> 00:46:43,258
was something that we noticed.
797
00:46:45,552 --> 00:46:49,096
It was very obvious,
the days that were harder on him,
798
00:46:49,097 --> 00:46:51,767
especially with the content
of the messages.
799
00:46:52,392 --> 00:46:55,603
It was almost like he was trying
to take it out in a physical way
800
00:46:55,604 --> 00:46:58,398
without physically hurting anyone.
801
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:10,618
The next thing I do is
802
00:47:10,619 --> 00:47:13,329
I take a look at the phone number
that was sending these messages
803
00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:16,958
and try to determine
what company owned this phone number.
804
00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:20,378
I did some research and found out
at least one of them came from Pinger.
805
00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:24,508
It's an application that people use
to disguise their phone number.
806
00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:28,052
I submitted a search warrant to Pinger,
807
00:47:28,053 --> 00:47:33,308
and they gave me two IP addresses
that belonged to a Verizon network.
808
00:47:34,601 --> 00:47:38,729
So, at this point,
I submitted a search warrant to Verizon
809
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:42,067
for information on these two IP addresses.
810
00:47:42,901 --> 00:47:47,781
Tuesday, May 23rd, Verizon did send me
the search warrant results back,
811
00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:50,950
and they gave me a several-page document
812
00:47:50,951 --> 00:47:55,205
with what phone numbers
were attached to these two IP addresses.
813
00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:58,583
He called me one day and told me
814
00:47:58,584 --> 00:48:02,003
that they got the list of phone numbers
from the IP address
815
00:48:02,004 --> 00:48:05,131
and wanted me to give him any phone number
816
00:48:05,132 --> 00:48:07,259
from any possible suspect.
817
00:48:08,218 --> 00:48:12,597
So I talked to Owen and had him
send me basically any of his friends,
818
00:48:12,598 --> 00:48:14,600
any phone numbers that he had.
819
00:48:15,309 --> 00:48:17,226
I could not find any of those numbers
820
00:48:17,227 --> 00:48:18,896
connected to this IP address.
821
00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:22,023
What about adults?
What about, you know, whoever?
822
00:48:22,024 --> 00:48:24,276
So we... we just dumped contacts.
823
00:48:27,321 --> 00:48:30,573
And then I found
one phone number that kept coming up
824
00:48:30,574 --> 00:48:33,660
being connected to that IP address
at the time these messages were sent.
825
00:48:40,626 --> 00:48:43,045
And the phone number was...
826
00:48:44,713 --> 00:48:46,632
...Lauryn's mom, uh, Kendra.
827
00:49:03,482 --> 00:49:04,483
Um...
828
00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:06,902
I really didn't know what to say.
829
00:49:08,236 --> 00:49:10,821
Brad got back ahold of me and said,
830
00:49:10,822 --> 00:49:14,367
"The only phone number on all these pages
out of everybody you've sent me
831
00:49:14,368 --> 00:49:17,579
that matches is Kendra's phone number."
832
00:49:18,163 --> 00:49:20,332
And I said, "It's not her."
833
00:49:21,458 --> 00:49:24,418
He's like, "Do you think
there's a possibility it could be her?"
834
00:49:24,419 --> 00:49:25,712
And I said, "No."
835
00:49:26,421 --> 00:49:29,465
"She's helping me. She's Lauryn's mom."
836
00:49:29,466 --> 00:49:31,093
I said, "It's... it's not her."
837
00:49:35,722 --> 00:49:37,848
I ended up meeting with Sheriff Main.
838
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:41,812
I presented to him
who I felt was involved in the case.
839
00:49:42,312 --> 00:49:44,855
I gave him a thumb drive
with all the search warrant results,
840
00:49:44,856 --> 00:49:46,775
all my search warrants, my whole report.
841
00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:52,072
I remember thinking in my head...
842
00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:54,741
"This doesn't make sense."
843
00:49:56,827 --> 00:49:58,494
A reasonable person would say,
844
00:49:58,495 --> 00:50:00,287
"There is no absolute way
845
00:50:00,288 --> 00:50:03,791
that Kendra Licari is sending
these messages to her daughter,"
846
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:07,004
but we've eliminated everything
up to this point.
847
00:50:07,504 --> 00:50:10,965
And then I started realizing
that Kendra has tried to interject herself
848
00:50:10,966 --> 00:50:14,468
into my investigation a few times
under the guise of,
849
00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:16,470
"Can you tell me
where you're at with everything?"
850
00:50:16,471 --> 00:50:18,306
"Can you... can you update me on the case?"
851
00:50:21,059 --> 00:50:23,394
Sheriff Main called me and said,
852
00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:27,232
"We have some concerns
that it might be one of the parents."
853
00:50:27,816 --> 00:50:29,442
And I'm like,
854
00:50:29,443 --> 00:50:30,986
"No way!"
855
00:50:31,987 --> 00:50:35,781
Kendra helped coach
and... and... and was at the school involved.
856
00:50:35,782 --> 00:50:38,284
I... Even when Lauryn was
in elementary school,
857
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:40,953
I can remember
Kendra helping with the book fair
858
00:50:40,954 --> 00:50:43,664
and other events
that we had at the school.
859
00:50:43,665 --> 00:50:46,168
I mean, she was
a supportive, caring parent.
860
00:50:47,961 --> 00:50:49,295
When the sheriff came to me
861
00:50:49,296 --> 00:50:51,881
and said, "Hey, we've identified the mom
as a potential suspect,"
862
00:50:51,882 --> 00:50:53,883
I said, "You gotta be shitting me."
863
00:50:53,884 --> 00:50:57,220
No one in their right mind would have
thought a mother would do this to a child.
864
00:50:57,804 --> 00:50:58,971
When we get involved,
865
00:50:58,972 --> 00:51:01,557
our role is typically
to review a search warrant.
866
00:51:01,558 --> 00:51:04,185
The sheriff approached me
and said we may need a search warrant
867
00:51:04,186 --> 00:51:08,189
{\an8}for the electronics
belonging to Ms. Licari.
868
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:12,068
You start to look at it, and you say,
"She's involved as a coach at the school."
869
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:13,861
"She's got an IT background."
870
00:51:13,862 --> 00:51:15,946
You know, "She's... she's always around
871
00:51:15,947 --> 00:51:18,950
when the kids are... are receiving
these text messages."
872
00:51:20,452 --> 00:51:23,704
So one of my detectives and I,
armed with a search warrant,
873
00:51:23,705 --> 00:51:25,832
head to Kendra Licari's home.
874
00:51:27,876 --> 00:51:31,587
There was very limited evidence,
so it was a tightrope to walk.
875
00:51:31,588 --> 00:51:34,173
It wasn't exactly a straightforward case.
876
00:51:34,174 --> 00:51:38,302
We were able to identify an IP address
that belonged to Kendra Licari,
877
00:51:38,303 --> 00:51:41,848
but we weren't necessarily able to say
who was behind that device.
878
00:51:42,557 --> 00:51:44,975
We had to make sure
that we had enough information
879
00:51:44,976 --> 00:51:47,104
to get a conviction in this case.
880
00:51:48,647 --> 00:51:50,816
I needed a recorded confession.
881
00:51:51,608 --> 00:51:55,654
We want as much evidence as possible.
882
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:14,089
- Hi, Kendra.
- Hi.
883
00:52:14,589 --> 00:52:17,174
- We gotta have a conversation.
- Okay.
884
00:52:17,175 --> 00:52:19,093
- And I have a search warrant...
- Okay.
885
00:52:19,094 --> 00:52:20,928
...for your devices and your phones.
886
00:52:20,929 --> 00:52:21,971
- Okay.
- All right?
887
00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:24,140
I wanna go in, sit down, and talk.
Anybody else here?
888
00:52:24,141 --> 00:52:25,057
Lauryn is.
889
00:52:25,058 --> 00:52:26,767
I'd rather Lauryn stay in her room.
890
00:52:26,768 --> 00:52:28,727
You have a place we can sit down
and have a chat?
891
00:52:28,728 --> 00:52:30,313
Um... yeah.
892
00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:36,820
- Is there a phone on you?
- Yeah.
893
00:52:37,654 --> 00:52:38,654
Here's the warrant.
894
00:52:38,655 --> 00:52:42,158
Do you have any other devices
you use? Do you have a laptop?
895
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:44,118
My computer is outside.
896
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,496
- Where is it at?
- On the back porch.
897
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:48,248
So this is the deal.
898
00:52:49,332 --> 00:52:52,585
When we were doing the investigation
and the FBI got involved,
899
00:52:52,586 --> 00:52:55,213
we come up with some stuff
that comes back to you.
900
00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:56,798
What do you mean?
901
00:52:57,299 --> 00:53:00,010
The messages coming
and originating from you.
902
00:53:00,594 --> 00:53:01,595
No.
903
00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:04,638
Every message that went to the kids,
904
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,266
your number come back through Pinger
or whatever it is,
905
00:53:07,267 --> 00:53:08,684
the app that's tried to hide it.
906
00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:13,314
Your number, even though it was being hid,
showed up every single message.
907
00:53:13,315 --> 00:53:14,941
- My number?
- Yep.
908
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:18,486
Is it... Does it have to do with Owen?
909
00:53:18,987 --> 00:53:23,240
- Is there an infatuation there with Owen?
- No, nothing like that.
910
00:53:23,241 --> 00:53:28,205
Okay. Then just tell me what...
You know, did he treat Lauryn bad? I mean...
911
00:53:29,372 --> 00:53:30,207
Um...
912
00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:33,459
It's something serious,
'cause it went on a while, right?
913
00:53:33,460 --> 00:53:36,086
Yeah. And it didn't start that way.
914
00:53:36,087 --> 00:53:38,089
- And I'm sure it didn't.
- It...
915
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:40,216
- I don't even know.
- That's okay.
916
00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:41,592
Just start from the beginning.
917
00:53:41,593 --> 00:53:44,053
So they were dating,
and then they started... they broke up.
918
00:53:44,054 --> 00:53:46,764
So how did... how did it really start?
Like, why did it start at...
919
00:53:46,765 --> 00:53:48,891
Did it start during...
when they were still dating?
920
00:53:48,892 --> 00:53:51,185
- It did.
- Was he treating her bad?
921
00:53:51,186 --> 00:53:53,103
But it... Like, it didn't...
922
00:53:53,104 --> 00:53:56,232
The first ones didn't start,
like, with me.
923
00:53:56,233 --> 00:53:57,942
- Okay.
- I will say that.
924
00:53:57,943 --> 00:53:59,444
Those ones were,
925
00:54:00,737 --> 00:54:02,446
like, random or whatever.
926
00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:04,740
So somebody else started those.
You don't know 'em.
927
00:54:04,741 --> 00:54:09,328
Yeah, um, but then
I, like, fed off of it some.
928
00:54:09,329 --> 00:54:12,748
Her confession
isn't an over-the-top admission.
929
00:54:12,749 --> 00:54:18,254
She more or less is tacitly admitting
that she did it by not denying it,
930
00:54:18,255 --> 00:54:23,093
but it wasn't a, you know,
clear admission of guilt.
931
00:54:23,885 --> 00:54:25,511
Does Lauryn know anything about it?
932
00:54:25,512 --> 00:54:26,429
No.
933
00:54:27,222 --> 00:54:29,391
- All right.
- I really don't want her to.
934
00:54:29,891 --> 00:54:32,726
Not sure that's gonna be
something we can solve, right?
935
00:54:32,727 --> 00:54:36,021
Because I have to let Jill know
and those guys, um...
936
00:54:36,022 --> 00:54:37,314
Really? I mean...
937
00:54:37,315 --> 00:54:40,276
There's others that are gonna
wanna know because their daughter,
938
00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:43,320
like the Wilsons,
has been accused of all this throughout.
939
00:54:43,321 --> 00:54:45,407
And it's a bad deal. I get it.
940
00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:50,536
Once this is out there, like,
I don't know how she can go to school.
941
00:54:50,537 --> 00:54:51,705
I know. I know.
942
00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:54,373
Do you have
any other electronic devices you use?
943
00:54:54,374 --> 00:54:55,583
I haven't... No.
944
00:54:56,835 --> 00:54:58,920
You want me to go out and talk to Lauryn?
945
00:54:59,879 --> 00:55:03,508
- Can we just bring her in here?
- Mm-hmm. Yup.
946
00:55:06,803 --> 00:55:08,346
Miss Lauryn, can you come in?
947
00:55:16,354 --> 00:55:18,188
- How are you today?
- Good. How are you?
948
00:55:18,189 --> 00:55:19,107
Good.
949
00:55:21,151 --> 00:55:23,861
When your mom comes back out,
we're gonna chat for a few minutes, okay?
950
00:55:23,862 --> 00:55:24,863
All right.
951
00:55:30,243 --> 00:55:33,871
All right, Miss Lauryn.
So I'm just gonna start the conversation.
952
00:55:33,872 --> 00:55:35,789
You guys have been
under a lot of stress lately,
953
00:55:35,790 --> 00:55:36,874
some moves going on,
954
00:55:36,875 --> 00:55:39,461
some financial issues,
and everything else going on.
955
00:55:40,128 --> 00:55:42,255
Mom got wrapped up into some stuff,
956
00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:47,009
and she didn't start it but continued it.
957
00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:50,262
So we found some evidence
and have a search warrant.
958
00:55:50,263 --> 00:55:51,930
We're gonna take her phone and stuff.
959
00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:55,476
Sometimes when
we're not... thinking straight,
960
00:55:55,477 --> 00:55:57,353
we do some things that aren't right.
961
00:55:57,354 --> 00:56:01,398
Your mom doesn't want this to get out,
but it is some public information.
962
00:56:01,399 --> 00:56:06,279
So it's not going to not get out.
I wanna be honest about it, all right?
963
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:10,407
Um, she said you had no idea
what was going on, and I believe that.
964
00:56:10,408 --> 00:56:11,784
What has to happen now is
965
00:56:11,785 --> 00:56:15,287
I have to make sure
you and your mom are safe before I leave.
966
00:56:15,288 --> 00:56:17,122
So I'd like you to call your dad
967
00:56:17,123 --> 00:56:20,167
so maybe he can come home
and meet with us, okay?
968
00:56:20,168 --> 00:56:21,169
Yeah.
969
00:56:30,428 --> 00:56:32,013
Hey, Sha... Shawn?
970
00:56:32,847 --> 00:56:34,681
- Yeah?
- Hi, this is Sheriff Mike Main.
971
00:56:34,682 --> 00:56:38,018
- I'm with Lauryn and Kendra.
- Oh, hey. What's going on?
972
00:56:38,019 --> 00:56:41,815
Do you have a minute to chat
where you're available in someplace quiet?
973
00:56:42,607 --> 00:56:43,608
Yeah.
974
00:56:44,359 --> 00:56:47,946
I get this crazy phone call
while I'm at work,
975
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:51,866
and it's the sheriff saying
that they figured it out.
976
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:55,494
I'm like, "Sweet.
Finally, this is gonna be over with."
977
00:56:55,495 --> 00:56:58,247
He's like, "I'm sorry.
I gotta tell you this."
978
00:56:58,248 --> 00:57:00,374
I'm like, "What? I wanna know who it is."
979
00:57:00,375 --> 00:57:02,710
He's like,
"Unfortunately, it's your wife."
980
00:57:03,837 --> 00:57:05,629
And I'm like, "Okay."
981
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:09,633
You know, I don't know what to say to him
because, you know, I'm in shock.
982
00:57:09,634 --> 00:57:12,845
And just, you know, "She's the one
doing this for the year and a half,
983
00:57:12,846 --> 00:57:14,055
the text messaging?"
984
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:18,892
And he's like, "Are you still there?"
And I'm like, "Are you for real?"
985
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:21,104
I said,
"This is my fucking wife doing this?"
986
00:57:21,604 --> 00:57:23,231
So I come flying home.
987
00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:26,734
The sheriff was standing
on the front porch.
988
00:57:29,737 --> 00:57:30,821
So this is the deal.
989
00:57:30,822 --> 00:57:34,451
Every time the kids received a message,
her number came back.
990
00:57:34,951 --> 00:57:37,995
So that was enough for a search warrant,
and that's why we're here today.
991
00:57:37,996 --> 00:57:41,123
So we took her phone and her computer.
My detective was collecting that.
992
00:57:41,124 --> 00:57:44,418
I started talking to her.
I said, "It's over with. It's done."
993
00:57:44,419 --> 00:57:47,671
May I ask what... what phone did you take?
994
00:57:47,672 --> 00:57:51,091
Mmm... She had it in her pocket.
I can show you. So...
995
00:57:51,092 --> 00:57:52,342
She's got a couple of them.
996
00:57:52,343 --> 00:57:55,762
Okay, I have a search warrant
for all of them, so I'd like all of them.
997
00:57:55,763 --> 00:57:57,639
Should she go to jail? I mean...
998
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,391
Well... So this is the deal.
999
00:57:59,392 --> 00:58:02,311
Felony stalking.
That's what the charge is.
1000
00:58:02,312 --> 00:58:04,313
I knew there was a lot of things going on.
1001
00:58:04,314 --> 00:58:05,772
Yeah. Worst, yeah.
1002
00:58:05,773 --> 00:58:08,108
Yep, I know
she was let go from Ferris, you know,
1003
00:58:08,109 --> 00:58:09,860
and she had IT backgrounds.
1004
00:58:09,861 --> 00:58:12,321
He's like,
"She's doing all the text messaging."
1005
00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:15,032
"She lost, you know, both of her jobs,
1006
00:58:15,033 --> 00:58:17,784
and she hasn't had a job in over a year."
1007
00:58:17,785 --> 00:58:19,621
"She hasn't had a job for over a year?"
1008
00:58:22,332 --> 00:58:25,959
You just said she got let go.
She told me that she quit.
1009
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,338
Uh... I was told by somebody
I know over there that she was let go.
1010
00:58:29,339 --> 00:58:32,759
She was no longer employed.
So I think there's more to that story too.
1011
00:58:35,094 --> 00:58:37,804
Shawn looked like a broken person.
1012
00:58:37,805 --> 00:58:40,433
He just... He was trying to
1013
00:58:41,142 --> 00:58:43,561
process what I had just told him
1014
00:58:44,103 --> 00:58:46,731
and understand
1015
00:58:48,107 --> 00:58:51,902
this whole ordeal
and... and... and how this could be.
1016
00:58:51,903 --> 00:58:56,533
There was a lot more to unpack
than just what was going on with Lauryn.
1017
00:58:58,826 --> 00:59:01,912
But we do wanna go ask her
about this other phone. I appreciate that.
1018
00:59:01,913 --> 00:59:03,831
And those devices need to be
away from her.
1019
00:59:04,415 --> 00:59:05,708
Let's go in the house.
1020
00:59:06,793 --> 00:59:07,710
Yeah.
1021
00:59:09,337 --> 00:59:11,213
Hey, Kendra,
so I wanna be real clear here.
1022
00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:12,756
{\an8}Like, you have any other devices?
1023
00:59:12,757 --> 00:59:15,968
{\an8}Apparently, there's another phone
somewhere, so where's that at?
1024
00:59:15,969 --> 00:59:16,886
{\an8}I...
1025
00:59:17,637 --> 00:59:20,639
{\an8}You... you gotta tell me. Right?
You've already confessed to it.
1026
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,682
{\an8}You gotta tell me where.
1027
00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:23,934
{\an8}I don't wanna rip
this house apart, but I will.
1028
00:59:23,935 --> 00:59:26,562
{\an8}That search warrant right there
gives us the authority
1029
00:59:26,563 --> 00:59:28,063
{\an8}to flip it upside down.
1030
00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:30,857
{\an8}I have no will to destroy this house,
but I will.
1031
00:59:30,858 --> 00:59:32,568
{\an8}- It's outside.
- Outside where?
1032
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:33,610
{\an8}- Where?
- On the side.
1033
00:59:33,611 --> 00:59:36,281
{\an8}That house
where you tried to walk away from us?
1034
00:59:36,906 --> 00:59:37,823
{\an8}Okay.
1035
00:59:37,824 --> 00:59:41,119
{\an8}I'll go grab the other copy.
Just unlock the door.
1036
00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:44,496
So what happened at Ferris?
1037
00:59:44,497 --> 00:59:46,040
What?
1038
00:59:47,458 --> 00:59:50,002
- Tell me the truth.
- Time to get it off your shoulders.
1039
00:59:50,003 --> 00:59:53,797
If I blow a gasket when they leave,
I'll probably go to jail, so tell me now.
1040
00:59:53,798 --> 00:59:55,508
I got let go from it.
1041
00:59:56,384 --> 00:59:57,676
Yeah. What about the Texas job?
1042
00:59:57,677 --> 00:59:59,803
You still have that
or you got terminated from that?
1043
00:59:59,804 --> 01:00:01,305
No, I don't have that.
1044
01:00:01,306 --> 01:00:02,973
- You don't have that either?
- No.
1045
01:00:02,974 --> 01:00:05,058
So when did you get let go from that?
1046
01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:06,352
A while ago.
1047
01:00:07,395 --> 01:00:09,855
Are you fucking telling me the truth?
Or are you lying?
1048
01:00:09,856 --> 01:00:10,773
No.
1049
01:00:11,399 --> 01:00:13,484
When did you get let go from there?
1050
01:00:13,985 --> 01:00:15,445
About the same time.
1051
01:00:16,237 --> 01:00:18,572
So you've been lying to me
for, like, six months, a year?
1052
01:00:18,573 --> 01:00:20,950
- You haven't been working for Texas?
- Right.
1053
01:00:21,534 --> 01:00:22,702
Mm-hmm.
1054
01:00:23,745 --> 01:00:24,996
Wow.
1055
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:35,922
Okay. You need to go somewhere tonight.
1056
01:00:35,923 --> 01:00:38,550
I don't know where you gotta go,
but she's gotta go.
1057
01:00:38,551 --> 01:00:41,637
You need to call your parents,
have them come get you,
1058
01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:44,599
because... this is it.
1059
01:00:46,017 --> 01:00:48,644
I can't do this anymore.
The other house, this house...
1060
01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:50,188
Now I know what the truth is.
1061
01:00:50,688 --> 01:00:53,066
And having her in the middle?
This is not good.
1062
01:00:53,566 --> 01:00:56,277
Okay. You need to call your parents.
Here's my phone.
1063
01:00:56,778 --> 01:00:57,779
You need to go.
1064
01:00:59,572 --> 01:01:01,406
You need to call your parents. Nope.
1065
01:01:01,407 --> 01:01:04,576
- While he's here... No. You need to go.
- No. Hold on, please.
1066
01:01:04,577 --> 01:01:06,328
You gotta go. I'll call them.
1067
01:01:06,329 --> 01:01:08,789
Shawn, just wait for a second, please.
1068
01:01:08,790 --> 01:01:11,417
No. I can't do this, Kendra. I'm sorry.
1069
01:01:12,835 --> 01:01:14,711
I... I can't leave her.
1070
01:01:14,712 --> 01:01:16,046
Nah, you gotta.
1071
01:01:16,047 --> 01:01:17,173
No.
1072
01:01:18,466 --> 01:01:19,467
I can't.
1073
01:01:25,807 --> 01:01:28,850
They're getting their stuff around
and they're heading north.
1074
01:01:28,851 --> 01:01:29,768
All right.
1075
01:01:29,769 --> 01:01:31,145
They're in Waterford, so...
1076
01:01:32,271 --> 01:01:33,647
I don't wanna go with them.
1077
01:01:33,648 --> 01:01:35,982
Well, your dad and mom's on their way.
1078
01:01:35,983 --> 01:01:38,777
So I told them
I'd talk to them face-to-face.
1079
01:01:38,778 --> 01:01:43,574
- I need to stay with her.
- You... We gotta get some time apart.
1080
01:01:44,784 --> 01:01:45,659
I think--
1081
01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:48,245
If I or you do something stupid,
we're both in trouble,
1082
01:01:48,246 --> 01:01:50,039
and then she's gonna go away.
1083
01:01:50,665 --> 01:01:51,582
Okay?
1084
01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:53,792
We gotta work through this.
1085
01:01:53,793 --> 01:01:55,670
We just gotta be separated
for a little while.
1086
01:02:00,174 --> 01:02:03,468
Miss Lauryn, I'm so sorry
that I had to knock on your door today,
1087
01:02:03,469 --> 01:02:06,805
and I hope you guys find a path,
all right?
1088
01:02:06,806 --> 01:02:09,599
- Okay.
- All right. Thank you.
1089
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:10,727
Thanks, Mike.
1090
01:02:11,936 --> 01:02:13,187
I don't know.
1091
01:02:24,073 --> 01:02:26,701
- Sorry.
- There's a Kleenex there.
1092
01:02:27,201 --> 01:02:28,995
- I'm sorry.
- It's okay.
1093
01:02:34,959 --> 01:02:37,169
You guys are gonna think
I'm the crazy lady.
1094
01:02:37,170 --> 01:02:38,212
No.
1095
01:02:41,466 --> 01:02:46,637
It was a very high emotional day
in our house, um...
1096
01:02:47,472 --> 01:02:50,558
A day of... confusion,
1097
01:02:51,058 --> 01:02:52,518
unknown answers,
1098
01:02:53,019 --> 01:02:55,313
um... shock.
1099
01:02:55,897 --> 01:03:00,943
A day of not even knowing
how we move forward to the next day, um...
1100
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:05,156
So it was a hard day, um...
1101
01:03:07,283 --> 01:03:09,786
but at the same time,
1102
01:03:11,704 --> 01:03:12,872
it was an end.
1103
01:03:18,711 --> 01:03:22,756
I think the shock feeling turned into sad,
1104
01:03:22,757 --> 01:03:26,593
which turned into mad,
which turned into crazy.
1105
01:03:26,594 --> 01:03:29,680
I don't even know
how to describe the feeling.
1106
01:03:30,431 --> 01:03:32,432
Why would my mom do this?
1107
01:03:32,433 --> 01:03:35,477
But, like,
did she really, actually do this?
1108
01:03:35,478 --> 01:03:37,813
Like, I can't believe it, honestly.
1109
01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:40,107
I was just really confused.
1110
01:03:50,284 --> 01:03:53,204
I can't believe she would do
something like that to her daughter...
1111
01:03:56,207 --> 01:03:58,334
that supposedly she loved dearly.
1112
01:04:01,295 --> 01:04:03,798
You know, a 14-, 15-year-old daughter...
1113
01:04:05,424 --> 01:04:07,176
You know, it just makes me sick.
1114
01:04:08,135 --> 01:04:11,889
You know, she stabbed me in the heart,
shot me in the heart, and threw it away.
1115
01:04:16,602 --> 01:04:19,021
Mike called me and just said,
1116
01:04:19,981 --> 01:04:21,732
you know, "It's over."
1117
01:04:23,025 --> 01:04:25,652
And I'm like,
"Wha... I don't understand. It's over?"
1118
01:04:25,653 --> 01:04:30,740
And he said, "I went to Kendra's house,
and, um, she confessed to everything."
1119
01:04:30,741 --> 01:04:32,076
And it was like...
1120
01:04:32,577 --> 01:04:33,870
I...
1121
01:04:34,787 --> 01:04:38,540
I can't ever get that feeling out of me,
1122
01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:43,296
just the disgust and, like, betrayal.
1123
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,341
This woman we allowed into our lives
and our house and my kids' lives,
1124
01:04:48,342 --> 01:04:50,219
and I just...
1125
01:04:52,722 --> 01:04:53,931
You just can't...
1126
01:04:54,557 --> 01:04:57,560
You just cannot imagine
what that felt like.
1127
01:04:58,477 --> 01:05:00,688
Hmm.
1128
01:05:03,566 --> 01:05:04,525
{\an8}I don't know.
1129
01:05:05,234 --> 01:05:07,069
{\an8}I was just speechless.
1130
01:05:07,862 --> 01:05:08,695
Hmm.
1131
01:05:08,696 --> 01:05:11,531
Just, like, I didn't know
how to handle it.
1132
01:05:11,532 --> 01:05:14,826
You know, it was just like
my... my head was spinning, like...
1133
01:05:14,827 --> 01:05:15,911
Yeah.
1134
01:05:15,912 --> 01:05:19,040
How... how could a mom do such a thing?
1135
01:05:20,875 --> 01:05:22,208
It's just, like, crazy
1136
01:05:22,209 --> 01:05:24,961
that someone that close
could do something like that,
1137
01:05:24,962 --> 01:05:27,715
well, to me, but also to her own daughter.
1138
01:05:31,594 --> 01:05:34,429
Every single one of us makes mistakes.
1139
01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:37,015
Not a single one of us
has lived a perfect life.
1140
01:05:37,016 --> 01:05:41,061
And, realistically,
a lot of us have probably broke the law
1141
01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:43,104
at some point or another
and not got caught.
1142
01:05:43,105 --> 01:05:45,148
I mean, I'll be honest, you know.
1143
01:05:45,149 --> 01:05:49,861
I'm sure people drove drunk,
haven't been caught, right?
1144
01:05:49,862 --> 01:05:51,697
But again, if you get caught,
1145
01:05:52,615 --> 01:05:56,284
you're in the same situation I'm in
but for a different thing.
1146
01:05:56,285 --> 01:05:59,080
So I do feel that, you know,
1147
01:05:59,830 --> 01:06:01,373
people lose sight of that.
1148
01:06:01,374 --> 01:06:03,792
I know, to some, I'm a headline.
1149
01:06:03,793 --> 01:06:05,168
I'm a villain.
1150
01:06:05,169 --> 01:06:07,546
I'm a bad mom. I'm a whatever.
1151
01:06:08,422 --> 01:06:11,925
But that's because they know
one little piece of my story.
1152
01:06:11,926 --> 01:06:13,636
They don't know my whole story.
1153
01:06:17,598 --> 01:06:19,808
Kendra's mom and my mom are sisters.
1154
01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:22,060
{\an8}They were the only two kids,
so we were close growing up
1155
01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:23,646
{\an8}'cause there was just the two of them.
1156
01:06:24,647 --> 01:06:28,025
She was fun, outgoing,
like, the life of the party.
1157
01:06:28,526 --> 01:06:31,069
We've been on tons of cruises.
Probably about six or seven cruises.
1158
01:06:31,070 --> 01:06:32,613
Some girls' cruises, family cruises.
1159
01:06:34,115 --> 01:06:35,533
I said, ladies!
1160
01:06:36,659 --> 01:06:38,493
She does like attention, I think.
1161
01:06:38,494 --> 01:06:40,996
If she was here right now
and you were talking to me,
1162
01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:44,124
she would be dancing over there
to try and get you to look at her.
1163
01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:46,292
Tell me what you want
What you really, really want!
1164
01:06:46,293 --> 01:06:48,421
So tell me what you want
What you really want!
1165
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:53,717
But as far as being there
for people and being... a good person,
1166
01:06:53,718 --> 01:06:55,468
yes, I mean, she was.
1167
01:06:55,469 --> 01:06:57,053
She would help you. She would...
1168
01:06:57,054 --> 01:07:00,223
You know, I could... Before all this,
I probably could have called her anytime
1169
01:07:00,224 --> 01:07:02,518
and said, "I need you to do this,"
and she would be there.
1170
01:07:03,561 --> 01:07:08,023
She was the baseball coach for Lauryn.
She was basketball coach for Lauryn.
1171
01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:10,442
So she always seemed to be very involved.
1172
01:07:10,443 --> 01:07:13,987
Kendra being a mom, you know, I thought
she was great at what she's done,
1173
01:07:13,988 --> 01:07:17,490
you know, with Lauryn, and made sure
she was always there and on time
1174
01:07:17,491 --> 01:07:19,618
and just being a mom, you know.
1175
01:07:20,911 --> 01:07:24,123
Life was perfect and everything was great,
and then, you know...
1176
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:26,959
...things started happening.
1177
01:07:31,797 --> 01:07:34,257
So the first text message
started around Halloween.
1178
01:07:34,258 --> 01:07:36,968
And did you send those text messages?
1179
01:07:36,969 --> 01:07:39,305
No, those ones, I did not.
1180
01:07:41,307 --> 01:07:42,933
It wasn't until...
1181
01:07:44,602 --> 01:07:46,895
...way later, um, on.
1182
01:07:46,896 --> 01:07:49,105
So the messages kind of stopped
for a little bit,
1183
01:07:49,106 --> 01:07:50,398
and then they picked back up.
1184
01:07:50,399 --> 01:07:53,568
In my mind, I'm like,
"How long do we let this go on?"
1185
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:55,863
"What do I do as a parent?"
1186
01:07:57,490 --> 01:08:01,409
Honestly, the best way
would have been to stop it
1187
01:08:01,410 --> 01:08:03,871
by shutting her cell phone down, right?
1188
01:08:04,371 --> 01:08:07,665
But then I was like,
"Well, why should she have to do that?"
1189
01:08:07,666 --> 01:08:10,210
You know? "Why should I have to
get her a new cell phone?"
1190
01:08:10,211 --> 01:08:11,128
Like,
1191
01:08:12,046 --> 01:08:13,922
because of someone else's actions, right?
1192
01:08:13,923 --> 01:08:18,176
I really wanted to get to the bottom
of who it was, right?
1193
01:08:18,177 --> 01:08:21,680
And that's when I started sending
the text messages to Lauryn and Owen.
1194
01:08:26,393 --> 01:08:29,813
I was sending the messages
in hopes that maybe they would send back,
1195
01:08:29,814 --> 01:08:33,233
asking, "Is this somebody?"
or, "Is this so-and-so?"
1196
01:08:33,234 --> 01:08:36,778
To just kind of give me something, right?
1197
01:08:36,779 --> 01:08:38,655
And then also hoping that,
1198
01:08:38,656 --> 01:08:43,493
as they maybe talked about the messages
amongst their friend groups and stuff,
1199
01:08:43,494 --> 01:08:48,873
that something might come up
that could help pinpoint,
1200
01:08:48,874 --> 01:08:51,544
you know,
where they were originating from.
1201
01:08:54,463 --> 01:08:57,132
I started in the thoughts of,
1202
01:08:57,133 --> 01:08:59,844
"We need some answers," um...
1203
01:09:00,344 --> 01:09:01,428
And then it just...
1204
01:09:02,555 --> 01:09:04,098
...kept going.
1205
01:09:06,392 --> 01:09:07,560
It was a spiral.
1206
01:09:08,936 --> 01:09:11,021
Kind of a snowball effect.
1207
01:09:11,772 --> 01:09:13,732
I don't think I knew how to stop.
1208
01:09:15,651 --> 01:09:18,237
I was somebody different in those moments.
1209
01:09:19,071 --> 01:09:21,198
I was in an awful place mentally.
1210
01:09:22,575 --> 01:09:25,286
It was like I had a mask on or something.
1211
01:09:25,786 --> 01:09:27,371
I don't even know who I was.
1212
01:09:28,414 --> 01:09:30,915
She just kind of changed.
She was more introverted,
1213
01:09:30,916 --> 01:09:32,667
didn't reach out as much.
1214
01:09:32,668 --> 01:09:35,337
I guess more self-absorbed too, maybe.
1215
01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:39,048
Sometimes, it was an hour a day
1216
01:09:39,049 --> 01:09:41,092
or eight hours a day.
1217
01:09:41,093 --> 01:09:43,637
I let it consume me.
1218
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:02,864
Her saying that she didn't send
the first couple messages
1219
01:10:02,865 --> 01:10:04,324
makes it sound a little bit weird,
1220
01:10:04,325 --> 01:10:07,870
but, I don't know,
I think it might have just been her.
1221
01:10:08,579 --> 01:10:11,581
I had evidence and proof
through search warrants
1222
01:10:11,582 --> 01:10:16,377
to third-party vendors and apps
that she had been sending the messages.
1223
01:10:16,378 --> 01:10:19,839
Sometimes, you know, in law enforcement,
we see people try to deflect.
1224
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,550
But I did ask who started it.
She said she didn't know.
1225
01:10:22,551 --> 01:10:25,054
To this day, I do not believe
that no one else started it.
1226
01:10:27,264 --> 01:10:29,724
Up until the time
Kendra Licari was revealed
1227
01:10:29,725 --> 01:10:32,101
as the perpetrator of the text messages,
1228
01:10:32,102 --> 01:10:35,188
we believed that she was fully employed
at Ferris State University
1229
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:36,440
in their tech department.
1230
01:10:37,024 --> 01:10:38,691
But that was not the case.
1231
01:10:38,692 --> 01:10:41,320
She hadn't been working for a long time.
1232
01:10:41,946 --> 01:10:46,074
This, in hindsight,
made clear how she was able to send
1233
01:10:46,075 --> 01:10:49,452
all of the hundreds and thousands
of messages throughout the day.
1234
01:10:49,453 --> 01:10:52,539
I am not sure
if she ever went to work at Ferris.
1235
01:10:53,332 --> 01:10:54,207
And I don't know that...
1236
01:10:54,208 --> 01:10:56,000
I think Shawn thought
she was working there.
1237
01:10:56,001 --> 01:10:57,835
So I don't know what she was doing,
1238
01:10:57,836 --> 01:11:01,005
as far as getting up in the morning,
getting ready for work.
1239
01:11:01,006 --> 01:11:03,341
How did you...? I don't know.
I've tried to figure it out.
1240
01:11:03,342 --> 01:11:06,594
I don't know how you pull that one over
on somebody you're living with.
1241
01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:09,555
So, to my knowledge, she never worked
at Ferris, no. Kendra didn't.
1242
01:11:09,556 --> 01:11:12,767
She acted like she was working
and said she had stuff to do.
1243
01:11:12,768 --> 01:11:16,563
And she just...
She played it off really well.
1244
01:11:19,108 --> 01:11:21,859
I think it was more of an escape, um...
1245
01:11:21,860 --> 01:11:23,279
It more...
1246
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:26,198
took me...
1247
01:11:28,325 --> 01:11:32,495
kind of out of real life, in a sense,
even though it was real life.
1248
01:11:32,496 --> 01:11:37,750
So when I was... really doing that,
and I wasn't myself,
1249
01:11:37,751 --> 01:11:42,714
it removed me from... my everyday life.
1250
01:11:42,715 --> 01:11:43,799
Um...
1251
01:11:44,925 --> 01:11:46,927
Just kept going and going.
1252
01:11:50,639 --> 01:11:53,182
Lauryn knows she's petite.
She knows she's small.
1253
01:11:53,183 --> 01:11:55,436
She knows she's thin. So...
1254
01:11:55,936 --> 01:12:00,024
I might have kind of picked up
on some of her insecurities,
1255
01:12:01,150 --> 01:12:04,361
her appearance, her hair,
her looks, her... you know.
1256
01:12:05,195 --> 01:12:06,530
But, honestly,
1257
01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:11,326
the messages weren't really
targeted at her insecurities.
1258
01:12:11,327 --> 01:12:13,036
Were they targeted at you?
1259
01:12:13,037 --> 01:12:15,289
Were you sending these messages
to yourself?
1260
01:12:16,165 --> 01:12:19,501
That very well, possibly, um, because
1261
01:12:20,794 --> 01:12:22,254
I was way too thin.
1262
01:12:22,921 --> 01:12:24,589
I was not eating.
1263
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:27,009
So you could put me
in that anorexic category.
1264
01:12:28,844 --> 01:12:31,554
And were you afraid
she was gonna hurt herself?
1265
01:12:31,555 --> 01:12:35,016
Because there were messages
telling her to kill herself.
1266
01:12:35,017 --> 01:12:36,727
So...
1267
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:41,522
I... can say, I...
1268
01:12:41,523 --> 01:12:44,942
I was not scared of her hurting herself.
1269
01:12:44,943 --> 01:12:48,613
Um, and I know
some people may question that
1270
01:12:48,614 --> 01:12:51,282
or diminish that or whatever.
1271
01:12:51,283 --> 01:12:56,079
But I know Lauryn, and I know
the conversations that her and I have.
1272
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,918
But if I didn't know her as well as I did,
it might be different.
1273
01:13:01,418 --> 01:13:03,379
So, um...
1274
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:05,506
Yeah.
1275
01:13:09,551 --> 01:13:11,720
One of the texts
that I specifically remember,
1276
01:13:12,221 --> 01:13:14,431
she said something about a blowjob...
1277
01:13:17,059 --> 01:13:19,852
and how Owen doesn't like Lauryn anymore
1278
01:13:19,853 --> 01:13:22,356
because Lauryn doesn't give him blowjobs.
1279
01:13:23,232 --> 01:13:25,567
That little girl was 14 years old.
1280
01:13:26,568 --> 01:13:28,861
She shouldn't be doing that!
1281
01:13:28,862 --> 01:13:32,407
So I think it gave Kendra
a false sense of,
1282
01:13:32,408 --> 01:13:35,743
"Lauryn and I are friends.
She needs me. She..."
1283
01:13:35,744 --> 01:13:39,580
And, I mean, you do, as a teenager.
You do need your mom, but not in that way.
1284
01:13:39,581 --> 01:13:41,749
I think it was a cyber Munchausen's case.
1285
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:44,837
She wanted her daughter
1286
01:13:45,337 --> 01:13:48,924
to need her in such a way
1287
01:13:49,716 --> 01:13:52,218
that she was willing to hurt her,
1288
01:13:52,219 --> 01:13:55,555
and this is the way she chose to do that,
1289
01:13:55,556 --> 01:14:00,560
versus physically trying to make her ill,
which is typical Munchausen's behavior.
1290
01:14:00,561 --> 01:14:02,562
I think that's exactly it,
1291
01:14:02,563 --> 01:14:05,314
because Lauryn would come home
upset about these text messages,
1292
01:14:05,315 --> 01:14:08,443
and Kendra got to play the hero
and be there for her
1293
01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:11,070
and, you know, do that. So, um...
1294
01:14:11,071 --> 01:14:12,655
But as far as Lauryn, I...
1295
01:14:12,656 --> 01:14:15,158
I can't even imagine how it made her feel.
1296
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:19,328
So I'm sure she's... I'm sure
Lauryn is just... eaten alive inside.
1297
01:14:19,329 --> 01:14:21,498
But I don't think that you can
1298
01:14:22,332 --> 01:14:25,711
escape the grips of Kendra's manipulation
1299
01:14:26,211 --> 01:14:27,963
when you're still talking to her.
1300
01:14:32,634 --> 01:14:35,678
Kendra Licari was very manipulative
to her family.
1301
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:39,765
She was very controlling.
She took care of the finances.
1302
01:14:39,766 --> 01:14:43,520
And whatever they did was determined
and organized by Kendra Licari.
1303
01:14:44,605 --> 01:14:47,440
Kendra was telling Shawn
and Lauryn they were fine financially,
1304
01:14:47,441 --> 01:14:49,984
so she had to figure out
how to come up with all of this money
1305
01:14:49,985 --> 01:14:51,445
while not going to work.
1306
01:14:53,113 --> 01:14:57,450
At one time, she had told us
that their house got struck by lightning.
1307
01:14:57,451 --> 01:14:59,118
She made some insurance claims,
1308
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:02,247
and I think it's possible
that she could have just kept the money.
1309
01:15:02,873 --> 01:15:04,790
One time, we pull in the driveway,
1310
01:15:04,791 --> 01:15:07,752
and there's this big ol' piece of paper
on the front door,
1311
01:15:07,753 --> 01:15:09,754
saying that you've been evicted.
1312
01:15:09,755 --> 01:15:13,300
She finally told me that,
you know, she wasn't paying the bills.
1313
01:15:13,967 --> 01:15:16,010
And I'm hustling,
getting everything out of there.
1314
01:15:16,011 --> 01:15:18,387
Phoned the storage units,
got it all in there.
1315
01:15:18,388 --> 01:15:21,474
We're like, "We can pay this
so we don't lose any of our stuff."
1316
01:15:21,475 --> 01:15:24,520
And she's like, "Oh, yeah.
It's no problem. It's only a few dollars."
1317
01:15:25,020 --> 01:15:28,565
But she really was not taking care
of that stuff.
1318
01:15:29,233 --> 01:15:32,694
So we ended up losing everything
that we owned in our storage units.
1319
01:15:33,570 --> 01:15:35,321
It had my tools.
1320
01:15:35,322 --> 01:15:39,492
All important stuff that
we got souvenirs from was all in there.
1321
01:15:39,493 --> 01:15:43,539
Just all the stuff that I worked for
all my life is now gone.
1322
01:15:45,207 --> 01:15:47,333
I think pretty much everything
she's told Shawn
1323
01:15:47,334 --> 01:15:50,379
for the last at least ten years
has been a lie.
1324
01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:53,464
Is that true? Is that...
1325
01:15:53,465 --> 01:15:55,174
Is that your perspective?
1326
01:15:55,175 --> 01:15:56,134
No.
1327
01:15:57,803 --> 01:15:58,762
But...
1328
01:16:04,476 --> 01:16:07,354
I handled more of the finances
than he did.
1329
01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:08,772
Um...
1330
01:16:10,941 --> 01:16:14,903
But we were both aware
of situations we were in,
1331
01:16:15,404 --> 01:16:18,364
but neither one of us
had the answers to the right actions
1332
01:16:18,365 --> 01:16:20,116
that needed to be taken,
1333
01:16:20,117 --> 01:16:22,703
so, yeah, unfortunately.
1334
01:16:27,666 --> 01:16:31,377
After the identity of the perpetrator
became publicly known,
1335
01:16:31,378 --> 01:16:33,337
it shocked our whole community.
1336
01:16:33,338 --> 01:16:36,132
We were sitting in class
with Macy and Sophie,
1337
01:16:36,133 --> 01:16:38,092
and we had looked on Instagram,
1338
01:16:38,093 --> 01:16:41,263
and there was Kendra's mugshot
posted everywhere online.
1339
01:16:43,473 --> 01:16:47,393
{\an8}I got a text message at school
from my cousin that said, "Are you okay?"
1340
01:16:47,394 --> 01:16:50,896
And I'm sitting in class,
and I'm like, "Yeah, I'm fine. Like, why?"
1341
01:16:50,897 --> 01:16:54,025
Everyone was kind of
looking around at Lauryn and everything
1342
01:16:54,026 --> 01:16:56,737
'cause her mom is everywhere
right now online.
1343
01:16:59,156 --> 01:17:01,699
And then the next hour,
I got pulled into the office.
1344
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:04,493
They were like,
"Your mom got arrested today."
1345
01:17:04,494 --> 01:17:07,456
And so then I texted my dad,
and I was like, "What is going on?"
1346
01:17:08,206 --> 01:17:11,460
She's like, "They pulled me in the office
and told me Mom went to jail."
1347
01:17:12,502 --> 01:17:14,420
{\an8}And now to the bizarre case of a mother
1348
01:17:14,421 --> 01:17:17,382
accused of cyberstalking
her very own daughter.
1349
01:17:18,133 --> 01:17:21,969
A high school girl in Michigan
was cyberbullied for more than a year.
1350
01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:24,805
And who turned out to be the suspect
shocked everyone.
1351
01:17:24,806 --> 01:17:28,017
Prosecutors accusing a mother
of catfishing.
1352
01:17:28,018 --> 01:17:29,435
- Catfishing.
- Catfishing.
1353
01:17:29,436 --> 01:17:31,896
{\an8}Even when we realized
that it wasn't a kid,
1354
01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:34,231
{\an8}we weren't expecting
that it would be a parent.
1355
01:17:34,232 --> 01:17:36,318
This mother is facing criminal charges.
1356
01:17:38,612 --> 01:17:42,114
Licari is charged
with five crimes, mainly for stalking,
1357
01:17:42,115 --> 01:17:44,450
as the messages went on
for more than a year.
1358
01:17:44,451 --> 01:17:47,244
{\an8}We had tens of thousands of text messages.
1359
01:17:47,245 --> 01:17:50,039
Kendra Licari was in
Isabella County courtroom Thursday.
1360
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,251
The judge made it a point to ban Licari
from having contact with the victims.
1361
01:17:54,252 --> 01:17:55,878
That includes Licari's daughter.
1362
01:17:55,879 --> 01:17:59,340
One of the challenges
on this case was the level of closeness
1363
01:17:59,341 --> 01:18:01,717
between Kendra and her daughter.
1364
01:18:01,718 --> 01:18:04,720
And we were hoping
that creating that separation
1365
01:18:04,721 --> 01:18:08,849
would provide an opportunity for her
to get outside of that umbrella of control
1366
01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:12,186
that she'd had on her
throughout the entirety of this process.
1367
01:18:12,187 --> 01:18:15,731
Licari and her attorney asked
to have the no-contact order lifted.
1368
01:18:15,732 --> 01:18:17,525
The court received letters
from her daughter
1369
01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:19,610
saying she wanted to be back
with her mother.
1370
01:18:19,611 --> 01:18:23,572
Not having the relationship with my mom,
I just don't feel like myself.
1371
01:18:23,573 --> 01:18:25,866
I feel like I really need her in my life.
1372
01:18:25,867 --> 01:18:28,829
Do you think people judge you
for missing your mom?
1373
01:18:29,746 --> 01:18:33,917
Um, I think some people might have
their own opinions on it.
1374
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,961
But...
1375
01:18:36,962 --> 01:18:38,380
Honestly, I don't really care.
1376
01:18:43,301 --> 01:18:47,096
Ultimately, Kendra pled to two counts
of stalking a minor,
1377
01:18:47,097 --> 01:18:49,933
one count for Owen
and one count for Lauryn.
1378
01:18:55,981 --> 01:19:00,609
I went to Kendra's sentencing
for court, and my whole family was there.
1379
01:19:00,610 --> 01:19:03,238
There was a bunch of people there.
The room was filled.
1380
01:19:03,989 --> 01:19:05,656
And I saw Kendra,
1381
01:19:05,657 --> 01:19:08,951
and it was just very shocking to see her
after everything had happened,
1382
01:19:08,952 --> 01:19:10,536
'cause it was just really weird
1383
01:19:10,537 --> 01:19:13,373
seeing your coach
from seventh grade like that.
1384
01:19:15,083 --> 01:19:19,337
Kendra got to speak first,
the day of court, and, um,
1385
01:19:19,838 --> 01:19:22,257
she is very convincing.
1386
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,135
I am sorry, Your Honor.
1387
01:19:26,136 --> 01:19:27,928
I am sorry for my behavior
1388
01:19:27,929 --> 01:19:29,972
to Owen McKenny and his family.
1389
01:19:29,973 --> 01:19:33,267
I'm sorry for my behavior
to Khloe Wilson and her family.
1390
01:19:33,268 --> 01:19:36,061
I am sorry to my daughter, Lauryn.
1391
01:19:36,062 --> 01:19:38,397
I have learned
that I have a mental illness,
1392
01:19:38,398 --> 01:19:41,650
and I was unaware
that I was in crisis for many years.
1393
01:19:41,651 --> 01:19:45,489
I have learned to acknowledge
and cope with my childhood trauma.
1394
01:19:46,948 --> 01:19:49,200
There were a lot of excuses
as to what she did,
1395
01:19:49,201 --> 01:19:51,243
things that had happened to her
in her life.
1396
01:19:51,244 --> 01:19:54,371
And I'm not saying
that those things didn't happen,
1397
01:19:54,372 --> 01:19:59,211
but to use those as an excuse
as to why you hurt children
1398
01:19:59,961 --> 01:20:02,797
just doesn't seem right or fair.
1399
01:20:02,798 --> 01:20:06,550
If I could go back
and undo everything I did,
1400
01:20:06,551 --> 01:20:08,804
please know that I would do so
in a heartbeat.
1401
01:20:11,264 --> 01:20:14,934
I knew Owen and Jill
were both gonna be talking there,
1402
01:20:14,935 --> 01:20:17,686
and I honestly didn't wanna hear
what they were gonna say,
1403
01:20:17,687 --> 01:20:20,232
because I knew
it wasn't gonna be anything good.
1404
01:20:21,775 --> 01:20:23,692
At the end of the day, this will be over,
1405
01:20:23,693 --> 01:20:25,986
and we can try to go back
to our own lives.
1406
01:20:25,987 --> 01:20:27,738
You can try, but it scarred me.
1407
01:20:27,739 --> 01:20:30,115
This whole thing is gonna affect
the rest of my life.
1408
01:20:30,116 --> 01:20:33,285
I didn't get to speak with Kendra
from the time she confessed
1409
01:20:33,286 --> 01:20:34,954
until that day in court.
1410
01:20:34,955 --> 01:20:36,914
It was the only thing
we were gonna get to do
1411
01:20:36,915 --> 01:20:41,711
because we didn't get to go to trial
and speak, so it was our one chance.
1412
01:20:43,004 --> 01:20:46,966
I will never forget the sick feeling
that overcame me the day we found out.
1413
01:20:46,967 --> 01:20:50,177
The hurt, anger, betrayal, sadness
1414
01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:51,470
all hit me at once.
1415
01:20:51,471 --> 01:20:54,640
I have waited years for this moment,
1416
01:20:54,641 --> 01:20:59,062
the day that you could look me in the eye
and tell me why.
1417
01:20:59,688 --> 01:21:02,732
Was it worth it? Was all of this worth it?
1418
01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:09,405
When you look at the trauma
that this caused,
1419
01:21:09,406 --> 01:21:14,368
there's no doubt that it'll have
a lasting impact on all of these families.
1420
01:21:14,369 --> 01:21:18,664
And the impact that this is gonna have
on these kids may be lifelong.
1421
01:21:18,665 --> 01:21:21,125
Well, this is truly a horrible case.
1422
01:21:21,126 --> 01:21:24,545
So I think, you know,
based on your conduct, you deserve...
1423
01:21:24,546 --> 01:21:26,464
you've earned a prison sentence.
1424
01:21:30,927 --> 01:21:32,595
Kendra Licari, the catfish mom,
1425
01:21:32,596 --> 01:21:34,972
is going to prison
for at least a year and a half.
1426
01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:37,766
In this case, the judge sentenced
on what I would consider
1427
01:21:37,767 --> 01:21:40,352
to be the high end of the guideline range,
19 months.
1428
01:21:40,353 --> 01:21:44,273
{\an8}It felt good to just address her
and... ask why.
1429
01:21:44,274 --> 01:21:48,445
{\an8}I know I'll never get the reason that I...
you know, a true reason.
1430
01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:52,781
I think she became obsessed with Owen,
1431
01:21:52,782 --> 01:21:56,660
which is hard, being a mom,
and that she's a grown woman.
1432
01:21:56,661 --> 01:22:00,748
But I... I think that there was
some level of relationship
1433
01:22:00,749 --> 01:22:03,000
that she wanted to have with Owen
1434
01:22:03,001 --> 01:22:07,297
that obviously is not acceptable
at her age.
1435
01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:10,884
It felt like she was attracted to me.
1436
01:22:11,509 --> 01:22:14,136
She was super friendly and super like,
1437
01:22:14,137 --> 01:22:16,221
"Here, I'll get you this.
I'll go do this for you."
1438
01:22:16,222 --> 01:22:17,473
You know, it's just...
1439
01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:20,643
It wasn't like it was my girlfriend's mom.
1440
01:22:20,644 --> 01:22:22,394
It felt like it was something more.
1441
01:22:22,395 --> 01:22:24,481
She would do things for me. She would...
1442
01:22:25,231 --> 01:22:27,024
She would cut my own steak for me.
1443
01:22:27,025 --> 01:22:30,444
It was just to the point
where, like, it was almost too weird.
1444
01:22:30,445 --> 01:22:35,157
If you look at how she treated him
and how she glorified him,
1445
01:22:35,158 --> 01:22:39,787
and she would go out of her way
to do anything and everything for him,
1446
01:22:39,788 --> 01:22:43,958
or just to be noticed by him.
1447
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:46,418
She would randomly just text him
1448
01:22:46,419 --> 01:22:49,588
and try to keep a connection with him.
1449
01:22:49,589 --> 01:22:53,509
She came to all of his sporting events,
even after Lauryn and him broke up.
1450
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:54,970
This is disgusting.
1451
01:22:59,683 --> 01:23:01,893
She told me to kill myself.
1452
01:23:03,269 --> 01:23:06,022
It makes me feel a little bit sad, like,
1453
01:23:06,731 --> 01:23:09,484
"Why is my own mom telling me to do that?"
1454
01:23:12,904 --> 01:23:15,531
I've, like, talked to her about it,
1455
01:23:15,532 --> 01:23:20,120
but not necessarily like,
"Why did you tell me to kill myself?"
1456
01:23:23,748 --> 01:23:27,627
I still question it every day.
Like, I still don't know why.
1457
01:23:29,504 --> 01:23:32,131
Would I love to know the truth?
Absolutely.
1458
01:23:32,132 --> 01:23:35,342
And what caused it, you know, in her mind.
1459
01:23:35,343 --> 01:23:38,137
You know, what... what made her do this?
1460
01:23:38,138 --> 01:23:42,182
I know my dad's angry and will probably,
like, never forgive her,
1461
01:23:42,183 --> 01:23:44,268
but I just kind of put that aside
1462
01:23:44,269 --> 01:23:47,814
and just have the relationship
with my mom that I want.
1463
01:23:49,190 --> 01:23:52,192
I liked communicating with my mom
while she was in prison.
1464
01:23:52,193 --> 01:23:55,030
I could talk to my mom
on Mondays and Wednesdays.
1465
01:23:56,614 --> 01:24:01,202
We were just talking about our days,
things that happened, funny stories,
1466
01:24:01,786 --> 01:24:05,457
and she would send me emails,
and we were able to email back and forth.
1467
01:24:19,012 --> 01:24:21,889
She made it seem like everything's better,
1468
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:24,851
and she just made me feel better.
1469
01:24:47,624 --> 01:24:50,919
My mom got out of prison August 8th, 2024.
1470
01:24:52,796 --> 01:24:55,255
I hope me and Mom
can rebuild our relationship
1471
01:24:55,256 --> 01:24:58,592
because I feel like
I'm definitely missing a part of me,
1472
01:24:58,593 --> 01:24:59,677
whether it's, like,
1473
01:25:00,637 --> 01:25:05,100
the female part of it,
or just, like, not having my mom.
1474
01:25:07,602 --> 01:25:09,187
When I go back,
1475
01:25:09,854 --> 01:25:14,024
I... am very disappointed in myself
1476
01:25:14,025 --> 01:25:16,193
for allowing myself to get to where I got.
1477
01:25:16,194 --> 01:25:17,862
Um...
1478
01:25:18,571 --> 01:25:20,824
You know, I... I let my family down.
1479
01:25:22,075 --> 01:25:24,702
I let myself down, and that's hard.
1480
01:25:26,329 --> 01:25:27,622
So...
1481
01:25:31,126 --> 01:25:34,336
Because that time frame in life
1482
01:25:34,337 --> 01:25:36,839
is not who I am as a person.
1483
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,383
It's not who I was,
1484
01:25:38,883 --> 01:25:40,635
and it's not who I am today.
1485
01:25:43,513 --> 01:25:46,724
Ever since Lauryn was born,
her and I have always been close.
1486
01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:50,936
Family really means a lot to me,
1487
01:25:50,937 --> 01:25:54,148
so I always knew
I wanted to have that family.
1488
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:56,568
And when we,
1489
01:25:57,986 --> 01:25:59,362
you know, got pregnant,
1490
01:25:59,863 --> 01:26:02,406
you know, I remember us
sitting in the doctor's office
1491
01:26:02,407 --> 01:26:04,826
and hearing that heartbeat
for the first time.
1492
01:26:06,035 --> 01:26:08,913
It gives you chills, you know? Um...
1493
01:26:10,206 --> 01:26:13,334
You know, sometimes you think you can't
1494
01:26:14,335 --> 01:26:15,920
love any more.
1495
01:26:16,713 --> 01:26:20,924
And then, all of a sudden,
this little baby is placed in your arms,
1496
01:26:20,925 --> 01:26:22,844
and it's a whole new world.
1497
01:26:23,428 --> 01:26:24,929
It's a whole new feeling.
1498
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,059
As, you know, she started getting older,
1499
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:35,857
I started having things
that were suppressed come forward.
1500
01:26:37,442 --> 01:26:41,737
A lot of it, really,
was previous trauma starting to resurface
1501
01:26:41,738 --> 01:26:43,531
that I didn't know how to handle.
1502
01:26:45,366 --> 01:26:48,368
When I was 17,
1503
01:26:48,369 --> 01:26:49,912
I was raped.
1504
01:26:49,913 --> 01:26:51,664
Um...
1505
01:26:52,874 --> 01:26:54,209
And as...
1506
01:26:55,335 --> 01:26:58,546
...my daughter was hitting
those teenage years, I got scared.
1507
01:26:59,047 --> 01:27:01,215
Very scared.
1508
01:27:01,216 --> 01:27:04,844
I didn't want her to go through
that process that I did.
1509
01:27:05,678 --> 01:27:06,679
And...
1510
01:27:11,643 --> 01:27:15,062
And I think that really led to...
1511
01:27:15,063 --> 01:27:18,607
...me not know how to handle things, right?
1512
01:27:18,608 --> 01:27:19,858
Um...
1513
01:27:19,859 --> 01:27:26,866
It was hard because I was reliving
what I had been through, um,
1514
01:27:27,533 --> 01:27:29,285
but also, at the same time...
1515
01:27:31,412 --> 01:27:33,081
wanting to protect her.
1516
01:27:35,667 --> 01:27:39,629
I wanted to try to, like,
control the outcome of her journey.
1517
01:27:40,713 --> 01:27:44,425
I was afraid of letting her
grow up some, right?
1518
01:27:44,926 --> 01:27:48,845
Wanting to protect her
and keep her safe and keep her close,
1519
01:27:48,846 --> 01:27:52,307
um, and scared to let her grow up
1520
01:27:52,308 --> 01:27:56,104
because scared
of what could happen to her.
1521
01:28:04,404 --> 01:28:06,029
I have not talked to Lauryn
1522
01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:08,657
since, pff, a very long time ago.
1523
01:28:08,658 --> 01:28:11,159
Me and Owen don't talk at all now.
1524
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,078
I see him in the hallways and stuff,
1525
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:15,789
but we don't really have interactions
at all.
1526
01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:17,499
Yeah, I was mad at Lauryn.
1527
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:20,837
I don't think
I will talk to her in the future.
1528
01:28:23,506 --> 01:28:26,425
Lauryn, she was just so young
for all this to happen.
1529
01:28:26,426 --> 01:28:29,553
I really don't think
that it's truly her fault
1530
01:28:29,554 --> 01:28:33,474
that her mom was like that
and wanted things to go this way.
1531
01:28:34,434 --> 01:28:36,184
Khloe missed a whole goddamn year
1532
01:28:36,185 --> 01:28:40,815
of what should have been some of the,
you know, best memories of her life.
1533
01:28:41,316 --> 01:28:43,567
A whole year
of people pointing the finger at her
1534
01:28:43,568 --> 01:28:46,194
and not believing what she's saying,
1535
01:28:46,195 --> 01:28:47,779
being grilled by her parents,
1536
01:28:47,780 --> 01:28:52,159
and, you know,
not believed by the majority.
1537
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,580
I thought that I was losing
a lot of friendships because of it.
1538
01:28:56,539 --> 01:28:59,249
At first, me and Owen,
like, we were all friends.
1539
01:28:59,250 --> 01:29:03,212
Me, Macy, Owen, and Sophie,
we'd sit at a table, um...
1540
01:29:08,926 --> 01:29:12,847
I do feel guilty about Khloe, um,
1541
01:29:13,681 --> 01:29:16,434
placing blame on her or, you know,
1542
01:29:17,518 --> 01:29:19,061
her family.
1543
01:29:19,062 --> 01:29:20,562
We just, at that point,
1544
01:29:20,563 --> 01:29:24,316
were going off of any little bit
of information that we had,
1545
01:29:24,317 --> 01:29:27,444
which was not a lot
throughout two years of this.
1546
01:29:27,445 --> 01:29:28,945
And I... I feel very...
1547
01:29:28,946 --> 01:29:31,448
You know, I feel guilty
for doing that to her.
1548
01:29:31,449 --> 01:29:34,326
Jill, she... she invited this in.
1549
01:29:34,327 --> 01:29:36,745
The impact to my family, to our family,
1550
01:29:36,746 --> 01:29:39,374
is largely because of her and Mike Main.
1551
01:29:39,999 --> 01:29:42,584
I remember, within a day or two
of our initial interview,
1552
01:29:42,585 --> 01:29:46,797
I had sent him a text message
that said that a very good part of me
1553
01:29:46,798 --> 01:29:49,300
believes that this is
probably Kendra doing this.
1554
01:29:49,801 --> 01:29:52,719
You know, she... I said, "I don't know
what you know of her, Mike,
1555
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,472
but she's not a truthful person."
1556
01:29:55,598 --> 01:29:57,015
I told someone else
1557
01:29:57,016 --> 01:30:00,811
that Shawn and Lauryn
are going to play this off
1558
01:30:00,812 --> 01:30:02,687
like they were the victim in this shit,
1559
01:30:02,688 --> 01:30:05,649
they had no clue what was going on,
and they're gonna get away with it
1560
01:30:05,650 --> 01:30:09,529
because Mike Main didn't do
his fucking job and investigate them.
1561
01:30:10,154 --> 01:30:12,489
And that's exactly what happened.
1562
01:30:12,490 --> 01:30:15,367
I'm... I'm proud of her for that.
1563
01:30:15,368 --> 01:30:17,578
I kept that good. That's good.
1564
01:30:19,872 --> 01:30:21,331
Thank God for Brad Peters,
1565
01:30:21,332 --> 01:30:24,335
'cause without him,
it wouldn't have went anywhere.
1566
01:30:24,836 --> 01:30:28,171
Or who knows where it would have ended
with Kendra?
1567
01:30:28,172 --> 01:30:32,301
You watch all these other documentaries
of how this ends. It's not good.
1568
01:30:32,802 --> 01:30:35,470
You know, who knows
what else she would have done
1569
01:30:35,471 --> 01:30:37,432
if this didn't catch up to her?
1570
01:30:41,269 --> 01:30:42,103
Okay.
1571
01:30:43,980 --> 01:30:47,108
- That's all you got?
- Go on!
1572
01:30:47,608 --> 01:30:51,069
Me and my dad have gotten so much closer
since this has happened.
1573
01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:52,863
You know how much I love you, right?
1574
01:30:52,864 --> 01:30:56,158
- Yeah, sometimes.
- Sometimes? Well, I love you.
1575
01:30:56,159 --> 01:30:58,119
- I love you.
- Okay.
1576
01:30:58,661 --> 01:31:01,747
I'm proud of you. You're a good kid. Okay?
1577
01:31:02,373 --> 01:31:03,291
Love you.
1578
01:31:04,792 --> 01:31:07,502
We just bond so well together.
1579
01:31:07,503 --> 01:31:11,340
In everything we do,
we can find a way to laugh.
1580
01:31:14,469 --> 01:31:18,054
It's fun to watch her smile
and giggle and be a kid
1581
01:31:18,055 --> 01:31:20,766
and do stupid things
like we all used to do.
1582
01:31:21,267 --> 01:31:23,351
Now she's starting to come to Dad
a lot more.
1583
01:31:23,352 --> 01:31:25,937
She's growing,
and it's just... it's unbelievable.
1584
01:31:25,938 --> 01:31:29,108
You know, she's just growing up
to be a beautiful woman.
1585
01:31:38,826 --> 01:31:41,912
I'm not allowed to see my mom
now that she's out of prison.
1586
01:31:41,913 --> 01:31:44,790
I wanna see my mom when the time is right.
1587
01:31:45,833 --> 01:31:47,293
I think it would just be
1588
01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:51,005
a relief to see her, but, like, also hard.
1589
01:31:51,506 --> 01:31:53,798
It's been about a year and a half
since I've seen her.
1590
01:31:53,799 --> 01:31:56,302
We both know that
1591
01:31:57,595 --> 01:32:00,681
we're with each other, no matter what.
1592
01:32:02,350 --> 01:32:05,228
I think I wanna trust her now,
but I don't think I can.
1593
01:32:05,728 --> 01:32:09,106
Now that she's out,
I just want her to get the help she needs...
1594
01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:12,818
...so then when we see each other,
1595
01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:17,198
it doesn't go back to, uh, the old ways
and how it was before.
1596
01:32:18,407 --> 01:32:19,533
I definitely think
1597
01:32:19,534 --> 01:32:22,703
that we can have a healthy relationship.
1598
01:32:23,871 --> 01:32:27,375
I know that we both hold that bond we have
1599
01:32:28,167 --> 01:32:29,043
close.
1600
01:32:31,254 --> 01:32:34,507
Being without that relationship,
I think, is really hurting me,
1601
01:32:35,007 --> 01:32:39,011
and I think rebuilding our relationship
will help both of us a lot.
1602
01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:43,766
I love her more than anything.