1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,720 The bodies continue to pile up in Southern California. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,760 The bodies continue to pile up in Southern California. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:09,040 The bodies continue to pile up in Southern California. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,600 The madness has not ended. 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,640 I didn't actually feel I was getting the job done 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:12,960 I didn't actually feel I was getting the job done 7 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,520 because we were having so many of them. 8 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,160 When they thought they had something, 9 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,280 another body would show up. 10 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,560 And we're going back and looking at the chart. 11 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,440 "Wait a minute, there might be a third guy here. 12 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,160 "That MO was even a little bit different." 13 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,200 This guy was picking up marines. 14 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:27,480 This guy was picking up marines. 15 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,360 It's a trilogy of terror with these three guys. 16 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,400 He was the most sadistic out of all of them. 17 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,440 He was the most sadistic out of all of them. 18 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:33,880 He was the most sadistic out of all of them. 19 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,920 He really liked to torture these people while they were alive. 20 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,160 He really liked to torture these people while they were alive. 21 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,280 He came up with new and imaginative ways of inflicting pain. 22 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,320 He came up with new and imaginative ways of inflicting pain. 23 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,360 He came up with new and imaginative ways of inflicting pain. 24 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:44,600 He came up with new and imaginative ways of inflicting pain. 25 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Total psychopath, way beyond being any kind of a sociopath. 26 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,440 Total psychopath, way beyond being any kind of a sociopath. 27 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:51,520 Police are confounded. 28 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,560 There seems to be very little that connects these young men. 29 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,560 There seems to be very little that connects these young men. 30 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,120 They didn't know one another. 31 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,160 They weren't even from the same cities or towns. 32 00:00:59,200 --> 00:00:59,760 They weren't even from the same cities or towns. 33 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,360 He was a hunter. People would hitchhike. 34 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,400 And if he's willing to stop and give them a ride, 35 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:05,720 And if he's willing to stop and give them a ride, 36 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,760 that was not something unusual back then either. 37 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:08,160 that was not something unusual back then either. 38 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,200 A lot of times, it was the drive to their death. 39 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:10,440 A lot of times, it was the drive to their death. 40 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,320 REPORTER: Orange County investigators are dealing with 41 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:18,600 REPORTER: Orange County investigators are dealing with 42 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:20,240 a possible mass murderer 43 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,280 and a list of victims that continues to get longer. 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:22,680 and a list of victims that continues to get longer. 45 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,520 REPORTER: The most recent victim, however, 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,520 is Geoffrey Nelson of Buena Park. 47 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,560 The 18-year-old's body was thrown from a moving car 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:29,880 The 18-year-old's body was thrown from a moving car 49 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:31,920 onto the Garden Grove Freeway last Saturday morning. 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:32,480 onto the Garden Grove Freeway last Saturday morning. 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,880 {\an8}1977, Kearney is in prison. 52 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:49,680 {\an8}1977, Kearney is in prison. 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,720 {\an8}1980, they've got William Bonin. 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:52,920 {\an8}1980, they've got William Bonin. 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,960 {\an8}But the bodies continue to pile up in Southern California. 56 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 {\an8}But the bodies continue to pile up in Southern California. 57 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:57,600 {\an8}But the bodies continue to pile up in Southern California. 58 00:02:57,640 --> 00:02:59,360 {\an8}The madness has not ended. 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,280 {\an8}Once Bonin was convicted, it was a big relief to us. 60 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,200 {\an8}Once Bonin was convicted, it was a big relief to us. 61 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,400 {\an8}But there were still cases. 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,080 {\an8}There were still bodies being dropped. 63 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,880 {\an8}And when going back and looking at the chart, 64 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:10,920 {\an8}we're saying, "Wait a minute, there might be a third guy here. 65 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,480 {\an8}we're saying, "Wait a minute, there might be a third guy here. 66 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,160 {\an8}"That MO was even a little bit different." 67 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,280 {\an8}This guy was picking up marines hitchhiking. 68 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:17,480 {\an8}This guy was picking up marines hitchhiking. 69 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,520 {\an8}And there was one case where he had thrown a marine out of the car, 70 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,400 {\an8}And there was one case where he had thrown a marine out of the car, 71 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,240 {\an8}out of a rolling vehicle. 72 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,480 {\an8}We were aware of these. 73 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,480 They were still contacting us about any young boy 74 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,200 who was murdered anywhere near California. 75 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,520 It's like a trilogy of terror with these three guys. 76 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:31,760 It's like a trilogy of terror with these three guys. 77 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,560 {\an8}There was a series of bodies found with what could be considered 78 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,600 {\an8}There was a series of bodies found with what could be considered 79 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,280 {\an8}There was a series of bodies found with what could be considered 80 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,320 {\an8}anti-gay treatment of the bodies after death. 81 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,360 {\an8}anti-gay treatment of the bodies after death. 82 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,360 {\an8}anti-gay treatment of the bodies after death. 83 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,120 {\an8}There were five or six of them 84 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,160 {\an8}with foreign objects inserted into them, 85 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,120 {\an8}with foreign objects inserted into them, 86 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,160 {\an8}disgusting graphic behaviour with dead bodies. 87 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,200 {\an8}disgusting graphic behaviour with dead bodies. 88 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:53,640 {\an8}disgusting graphic behaviour with dead bodies. 89 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,680 {\an8}They are mutilated, 90 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:57,960 {\an8}They are mutilated, 91 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 {\an8}much more so than what we saw with Kearney or with Bonin. 92 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,040 {\an8}much more so than what we saw with Kearney or with Bonin. 93 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,680 {\an8}much more so than what we saw with Kearney or with Bonin. 94 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,720 {\an8}And it doesn't stop. It continues more and more and more. 95 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,760 {\an8}And it doesn't stop. It continues more and more and more. 96 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,640 {\an8}And it doesn't stop. It continues more and more and more. 97 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,960 The homicide victims were brutalised, 98 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,280 The homicide victims were brutalised, 99 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,960 and that's, like, an understatement. 100 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,480 There were beheadings. 101 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,520 There were ligature marks, torturing. 102 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,320 There were ligature marks, torturing. 103 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,360 There was sodomise. 104 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:23,800 There was sodomise. 105 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:25,840 There were victims that had tree branches 106 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,200 There were victims that had tree branches 107 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,240 that were rammed up inside of the victims, 108 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:30,440 that were rammed up inside of the victims, 109 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,480 {\an8}all kinds of evidence that these people had been, 110 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,120 {\an8}all kinds of evidence that these people had been, 111 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,160 {\an8}in many cases, slowly and agonisingly mutilated 112 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,200 {\an8}in many cases, slowly and agonisingly mutilated 113 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,240 {\an8}in many cases, slowly and agonisingly mutilated 114 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:40,960 {\an8}in many cases, slowly and agonisingly mutilated 115 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,960 {\an8}before they were murdered 116 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 {\an8}and brutalised further after the fact. 117 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:45,800 {\an8}and brutalised further after the fact. 118 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,920 Edward Daniel Moore was a marine, 119 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:58,240 Edward Daniel Moore was a marine, 120 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,280 and that's significant with this killer 121 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,640 and that's significant with this killer 122 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,680 because marines were his favourite prey. 123 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,400 because marines were his favourite prey. 124 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,520 {\an8}He used to troll places like Camp Pendleton, 125 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,560 {\an8}He used to troll places like Camp Pendleton, 126 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,600 {\an8}He used to troll places like Camp Pendleton, 127 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:14,200 {\an8}He used to troll places like Camp Pendleton, 128 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,240 {\an8}the El Toro Marine Air Base. 129 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:17,920 {\an8}the El Toro Marine Air Base. 130 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,960 {\an8}He knew that a good many of them were young, 131 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,960 {\an8}He knew that a good many of them were young, 132 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,000 not well-versed in the ways of the world 133 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,040 not well-versed in the ways of the world 134 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,080 and looking to get drunk and forget about basic training. 135 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,120 and looking to get drunk and forget about basic training. 136 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,440 and looking to get drunk and forget about basic training. 137 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,480 They almost uniformly had no transportation 138 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,520 They almost uniformly had no transportation 139 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:34,960 They almost uniformly had no transportation 140 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 because they were literally fresh off the farm 141 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,880 because they were literally fresh off the farm 142 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,920 without a driver's licence or a car, 143 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,160 without a driver's licence or a car, 144 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,200 and... they wanted to go out and have a good time. 145 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,240 and... they wanted to go out and have a good time. 146 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,600 He would go to the main gates of these various military bases 147 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,640 He would go to the main gates of these various military bases 148 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,680 He would go to the main gates of these various military bases 149 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,720 and... pick up hitchhikers who wanted to go into town 150 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,760 and... pick up hitchhikers who wanted to go into town 151 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:57,120 and... pick up hitchhikers who wanted to go into town 152 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,920 and get a drink, see a girl. 153 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,960 Moore was the first of many. 154 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:01,440 Moore was the first of many. 155 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,680 What you find out 156 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,720 as you look at the details about how they died, 157 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,760 as you look at the details about how they died, 158 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,160 as you look at the details about how they died, 159 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,200 it's the most horrendous thing 160 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:16,640 it's the most horrendous thing 161 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,680 a detective could ever experience in a long career. 162 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,720 a detective could ever experience in a long career. 163 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:21,480 a detective could ever experience in a long career. 164 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,520 Nothing can match the sickening descriptions. 165 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,560 Nothing can match the sickening descriptions. 166 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,960 Nothing can match the sickening descriptions. 167 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 He was probably the most sadistic out of all of them. 168 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,600 He was probably the most sadistic out of all of them. 169 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,920 He really liked to torture these people while they were alive, 170 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,960 He really liked to torture these people while they were alive, 171 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:37,280 He really liked to torture these people while they were alive, 172 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,320 {\an8}cut off their genitals, sometimes biting their genitals off, 173 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,000 {\an8}cut off their genitals, sometimes biting their genitals off, 174 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,040 {\an8}taking the cigarette lighter from a car 175 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,240 {\an8}taking the cigarette lighter from a car 176 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:46,280 {\an8}and burning their eyeballs with it... 177 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:46,760 {\an8}and burning their eyeballs with it... 178 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,800 {\an8}um, mutilating them, cutting them. 179 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:49,120 {\an8}um, mutilating them, cutting them. 180 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,160 {\an8}And then he would be driving down the highway 181 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:51,800 {\an8}And then he would be driving down the highway 182 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:53,840 {\an8}and just toss their body out of the car. 183 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,080 {\an8}and just toss their body out of the car. 184 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,120 He just looked at these people as pieces of meat. 185 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,520 He just looked at these people as pieces of meat. 186 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,560 And then once he was done, he would discard them like trash. 187 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,600 And then once he was done, he would discard them like trash. 188 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:03,240 And then once he was done, he would discard them like trash. 189 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,520 He came up with new and imaginative ways 190 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,560 He came up with new and imaginative ways 191 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,040 He came up with new and imaginative ways 192 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,080 of inflicting pain - 193 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:11,880 of inflicting pain - 194 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,920 jamming things up people's rectums and scoring their scrotums 195 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,960 jamming things up people's rectums and scoring their scrotums 196 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,720 jamming things up people's rectums and scoring their scrotums 197 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,760 and splitting their, um, penises 198 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,800 and splitting their, um, penises 199 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:22,080 and splitting their, um, penises 200 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,120 and just... the most horrible, awful, despicable things 201 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,160 and just... the most horrible, awful, despicable things 202 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,200 and just... the most horrible, awful, despicable things 203 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,240 that one human being can do to another. 204 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:30,920 that one human being can do to another. 205 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,960 {\an8}Total psychopath. Way beyond being any kind of a sociopath. 206 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,480 {\an8}Total psychopath. Way beyond being any kind of a sociopath. 207 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,880 {\an8}He didn't care about anything 208 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,920 {\an8}except his own desires and torturing people. 209 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:38,800 {\an8}except his own desires and torturing people. 210 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,840 {\an8}He got off torturing, horribly torturing these kids. 211 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,080 {\an8}He got off torturing, horribly torturing these kids. 212 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,880 {\an8}He was a hunter, and a lot of times, 213 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,920 {\an8}his victims were victims of circumstance. 214 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,960 {\an8}his victims were victims of circumstance. 215 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,120 {\an8}Sometimes, there were accounts that he befriended 216 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:51,520 {\an8}Sometimes, there were accounts that he befriended 217 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,560 {\an8}these individuals in some of the local establishments, 218 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:54,960 {\an8}these individuals in some of the local establishments, 219 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 {\an8}spent some time with them and then convinced them to drive. 220 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,040 {\an8}spent some time with them and then convinced them to drive. 221 00:07:59,080 --> 00:07:59,320 {\an8}spent some time with them and then convinced them to drive. 222 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,240 {\an8}People would hitchhike, 223 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,120 {\an8}and if he's willing to stop and give them a ride, 224 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,160 {\an8}that was not something unusual back then either. 225 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:04,400 {\an8}that was not something unusual back then either. 226 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,760 A lot of times, it was the drive to their death. 227 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:08,000 A lot of times, it was the drive to their death. 228 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,240 Keith Crotwell was there in the parking lot at Ripples. 229 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Keith Crotwell was there in the parking lot at Ripples. 230 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:19,960 Keith Crotwell was there in the parking lot at Ripples. 231 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Ripples was a up-and-coming gay disco, 232 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,400 Ripples was a up-and-coming gay disco, 233 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,440 I guess you would call it. 234 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,280 It was much more than a bar, 235 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,320 but Crotwell went there with a couple of his friends 236 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,880 but Crotwell went there with a couple of his friends 237 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,920 to see if they could pick up girls. 238 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,320 to see if they could pick up girls. 239 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,600 And then this guy shows up, 240 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:37,040 And then this guy shows up, 241 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,080 after he's been circling the parking lot for a while, 242 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,120 after he's been circling the parking lot for a while, 243 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:41,440 after he's been circling the parking lot for a while, 244 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,480 who had a moustache and had deep, dark eyes 245 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,400 who had a moustache and had deep, dark eyes 246 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,440 that seemed to look right through you, and says, 247 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,560 that seemed to look right through you, and says, 248 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,600 "You guys need some brews?" 249 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:51,080 "You guys need some brews?" 250 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,120 And of course, they thought that was a great idea. 251 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,280 And of course, they thought that was a great idea. 252 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,320 So he had them hop in his car and then took them for a ride 253 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,360 So he had them hop in his car and then took them for a ride 254 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:58,920 So he had them hop in his car and then took them for a ride 255 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,960 and served up beer that he already had 256 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000 and served up beer that he already had 257 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,040 in the cooler in his back seat. 258 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:04,600 in the cooler in his back seat. 259 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,640 Seemed very convenient, but, you know, they were young and dumb 260 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:08,160 Seemed very convenient, but, you know, they were young and dumb 261 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,200 and they didn't pay any attention to any of the danger signals. 262 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,280 and they didn't pay any attention to any of the danger signals. 263 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,400 And they took the beers, and they drank them. 264 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:14,640 And they took the beers, and they drank them. 265 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 One of them after the fact described to me 266 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:18,600 One of them after the fact described to me 267 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,640 how he got deposited out of the car like he was too small a fish 268 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:22,680 how he got deposited out of the car like he was too small a fish 269 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,720 how he got deposited out of the car like he was too small a fish 270 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:25,160 how he got deposited out of the car like he was too small a fish 271 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,200 being chucked out by the fishermen 272 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,680 being chucked out by the fishermen 273 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,720 who had a bigger fish that he was gonna fry. 274 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,280 who had a bigger fish that he was gonna fry. 275 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,320 His two buddies... you know, they woke up with hangovers, 276 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,360 His two buddies... you know, they woke up with hangovers, 277 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,240 His two buddies... you know, they woke up with hangovers, 278 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,280 and somehow, they got home. 279 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:39,560 and somehow, they got home. 280 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,920 But when they tried to get in touch with Crotwell, he wasn't home. 281 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,200 But when they tried to get in touch with Crotwell, he wasn't home. 282 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,840 And nobody knew where he was. 283 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,880 And his parents started to think that he had run away. 284 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,360 And his parents started to think that he had run away. 285 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,680 Some time later, a father and his boy were out 286 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,240 Some time later, a father and his boy were out 287 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,280 on one of the jetties at the Long Beach Marina... 288 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,320 on one of the jetties at the Long Beach Marina... 289 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,160 on one of the jetties at the Long Beach Marina... 290 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,200 and they came across a rotting human skull. 291 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,160 and they came across a rotting human skull. 292 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,200 SIREN WAILING 293 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:08,680 SIREN WAILING 294 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,720 The police showed up. 295 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:11,000 The police showed up. 296 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,040 They bagged the skull 297 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,800 They bagged the skull 298 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,840 and did some testing 299 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,160 and did some testing 300 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,200 and matched it to a headless body that had been found 301 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,240 and matched it to a headless body that had been found 302 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,920 and matched it to a headless body that had been found 303 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,960 off of a freeway many miles away from Long Beach in Orange County. 304 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 off of a freeway many miles away from Long Beach in Orange County. 305 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,440 off of a freeway many miles away from Long Beach in Orange County. 306 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,640 Turned out it was Keith Crotwell. 307 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:34,000 Turned out it was Keith Crotwell. 308 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,040 And at least the mystery of his disappearance was solved. 309 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,080 And at least the mystery of his disappearance was solved. 310 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:38,920 And at least the mystery of his disappearance was solved. 311 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,960 But how his head was separated from his body 312 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,200 But how his head was separated from his body 313 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,240 went unsolved for quite a while. 314 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:44,920 went unsolved for quite a while. 315 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,360 They were dropping cases on us left and right. 316 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:51,680 They were dropping cases on us left and right. 317 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,720 I mean, it was unbelievable, the burden that we had. 318 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,160 I mean, it was unbelievable, the burden that we had. 319 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,200 And the serial killers were just continuing. 320 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,160 And the serial killers were just continuing. 321 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,280 Early on, there was a lot of crossover 322 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,120 Early on, there was a lot of crossover 323 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,160 because, obviously, they hadn't identified Bonin or Kearney. 324 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,760 because, obviously, they hadn't identified Bonin or Kearney. 325 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,800 They just knew that they had a bunch of victims. 326 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:11,120 They just knew that they had a bunch of victims. 327 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,160 And then within those victim profiles, 328 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:13,480 And then within those victim profiles, 329 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,520 there were certain differences among those victims, 330 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:16,320 there were certain differences among those victims, 331 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,280 primarily in the way they were killed. 332 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,600 One of the big things that they focused on 333 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:23,080 One of the big things that they focused on 334 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,120 was the alcohol and diazepam overdose. 335 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:25,480 was the alcohol and diazepam overdose. 336 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,600 There were also things about victims being emasculated 337 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,240 There were also things about victims being emasculated 338 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,280 and also victims being dumped on the side of freeways. 339 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,880 and also victims being dumped on the side of freeways. 340 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Whoever was doing that, the suspicion was 341 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,840 Whoever was doing that, the suspicion was 342 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:40,240 Whoever was doing that, the suspicion was 343 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,280 they had been exposed to some military training. 344 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,280 they had been exposed to some military training. 345 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,320 A couple of techniques that were used, 346 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,920 A couple of techniques that were used, 347 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,960 putting paper in the nostrils, that would be done 348 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 putting paper in the nostrils, that would be done 349 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:52,440 putting paper in the nostrils, that would be done 350 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,480 to keep liquids from expelling out of the nostrils after death. 351 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,520 to keep liquids from expelling out of the nostrils after death. 352 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,560 to keep liquids from expelling out of the nostrils after death. 353 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,600 When you're hauling the body away to dump it, 354 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:00,960 When you're hauling the body away to dump it, 355 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,000 it doesn't mess up your car or your van. 356 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:03,760 it doesn't mess up your car or your van. 357 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Another thing, using a sock, 358 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:06,080 Another thing, using a sock, 359 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,120 stuffing it into the rectum in order to prevent the corpse 360 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,160 stuffing it into the rectum in order to prevent the corpse 361 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:10,880 stuffing it into the rectum in order to prevent the corpse 362 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,920 from expelling fluids that way. 363 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,960 from expelling fluids that way. 364 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,240 from expelling fluids that way. 365 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,280 And that was an important clue that they had to go on. 366 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,200 And that was an important clue that they had to go on. 367 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,400 I didn't actually feel I was getting the job done 368 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:28,720 I didn't actually feel I was getting the job done 369 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,200 because we were having so many of them. 370 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,520 {\an8}And I think everybody involved realised 371 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:35,160 {\an8}And I think everybody involved realised 372 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,200 {\an8}that we had six investigators working on this thing 373 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:37,480 {\an8}that we had six investigators working on this thing 374 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,080 {\an8}16 hours a day. 375 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,880 {\an8}When they thought they'd have something, 376 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,000 {\an8}another body would show up. 377 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Mark Hall went out partying on New Year's with his friends. 378 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Mark Hall went out partying on New Year's with his friends. 379 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,680 Mark Hall went out partying on New Year's with his friends. 380 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Everybody got drunk, and everybody half-remembered what happened. 381 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,880 Everybody got drunk, and everybody half-remembered what happened. 382 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,680 Everybody got drunk, and everybody half-remembered what happened. 383 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,720 The bottom line was, the next day, Mark Hall was among the missing, 384 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,760 The bottom line was, the next day, Mark Hall was among the missing, 385 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:09,120 The bottom line was, the next day, Mark Hall was among the missing, 386 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,160 and... the friends had no idea what happened to him. 387 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,200 and... the friends had no idea what happened to him. 388 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:13,720 and... the friends had no idea what happened to him. 389 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,760 Only several days later did they learn 390 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Only several days later did they learn 391 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,840 that he had been murdered 392 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,880 that he had been murdered 393 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:21,120 that he had been murdered 394 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,160 and his horribly mutilated body 395 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,200 and his horribly mutilated body 396 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,240 was left in a relatively remote part of southern Orange County. 397 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,280 was left in a relatively remote part of southern Orange County. 398 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,240 was left in a relatively remote part of southern Orange County. 399 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,040 {\an8}Police are confounded by this because there seems to be 400 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,080 {\an8}Police are confounded by this because there seems to be 401 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:37,560 {\an8}Police are confounded by this because there seems to be 402 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,600 {\an8}very little that connects these young men. 403 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,680 {\an8}very little that connects these young men. 404 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,360 {\an8}They didn't know one another. 405 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,400 {\an8}They weren't even from the same cities or towns. 406 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,720 {\an8}They weren't even from the same cities or towns. 407 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,080 {\an8}And what was the link? 408 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,120 {\an8}What was the factor, the X factor, 409 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:49,400 {\an8}What was the factor, the X factor, 410 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,440 {\an8}that would make it possible to find out who was doing this? 411 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,480 {\an8}that would make it possible to find out who was doing this? 412 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:54,680 Nobody knew where to turn. 413 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,480 {\an8}The CHP, California Highway Patrol, they were patrolling the 5 freeway 414 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,520 {\an8}The CHP, California Highway Patrol, they were patrolling the 5 freeway 415 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:11,360 {\an8}The CHP, California Highway Patrol, they were patrolling the 5 freeway 416 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,400 {\an8}down by Mission Viejo in Orange County, 417 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,480 {\an8}down by Mission Viejo in Orange County, 418 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,520 {\an8}and there was a sergeant and his officer in a car 419 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:18,560 {\an8}and there was a sergeant and his officer in a car 420 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,440 {\an8}and there was a sergeant and his officer in a car 421 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,000 {\an8}because there wasn't much happening. 422 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,360 {\an8}It was kind of a slow night. 423 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,400 And they see this car weaving. 424 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:25,680 And they see this car weaving. 425 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,720 It's starting to weave from lane to lane. 426 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:28,880 It's starting to weave from lane to lane. 427 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,920 "What's going on?" "Well, it could be a DUI." 428 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:31,600 "What's going on?" "Well, it could be a DUI." 429 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,240 {\an8}He was driving a little bit slower than the posted speed limit. 430 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,120 {\an8}He was driving a little bit slower than the posted speed limit. 431 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,160 {\an8}He was weaving in and out of his lanes. 432 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:38,600 {\an8}He was weaving in and out of his lanes. 433 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,440 {\an8}He was kind of driving on the right shoulder, 434 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,480 {\an8}so they thought that this individual was intoxicated, 435 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:43,480 {\an8}so they thought that this individual was intoxicated, 436 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,520 {\an8}so they initiated a traffic stop. 437 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:45,720 {\an8}so they initiated a traffic stop. 438 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,200 Initially, he did not stop. He kept driving. 439 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,280 Initially, he did not stop. He kept driving. 440 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,320 They shined the light in the back of the car. 441 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,280 They shined the light in the back of the car. 442 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,320 They can see the driver moving around inside the vehicle, 443 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,000 They can see the driver moving around inside the vehicle, 444 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,040 which, again, raises the officers' suspicions. 445 00:14:59,080 --> 00:14:59,920 which, again, raises the officers' suspicions. 446 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:01,960 But he eventually pulls over to the right shoulder and stops. 447 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,120 But he eventually pulls over to the right shoulder and stops. 448 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,480 Once he stops, he gets out of the car 449 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,880 Once he stops, he gets out of the car 450 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,920 and comes back and approaches the officers on foot. 451 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,440 and comes back and approaches the officers on foot. 452 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,480 Based on my experience, that, again, is also suspicious 453 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,960 Based on my experience, that, again, is also suspicious 454 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,680 because one of two things - 455 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,720 most people don't approach officers at a stop, 456 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:19,720 most people don't approach officers at a stop, 457 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,720 and number two, the way my brain works is, 458 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,760 "There's something in the car that he doesn't want me to see, 459 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,160 "There's something in the car that he doesn't want me to see, 460 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,200 "so he's distracting my attention away from the car." 461 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:26,440 "so he's distracting my attention away from the car." 462 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,040 These two officers do their DUI investigation. 463 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:30,960 These two officers do their DUI investigation. 464 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,560 He takes him to the side of the highway, 465 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,840 He takes him to the side of the highway, 466 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,880 and he's saying, "Wait, have you been drinking?" 467 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,080 and he's saying, "Wait, have you been drinking?" 468 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,120 "Uh, I only had two drinks. I only had two drinks." 469 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,080 "Uh, I only had two drinks. I only had two drinks." 470 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,120 "Well, we want to check you out and see." 471 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:44,920 "Well, we want to check you out and see." 472 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,520 They give him the field sobriety test. 473 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,560 He's not passing it. He's having difficulty. 474 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:49,440 He's not passing it. He's having difficulty. 475 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,480 He's slurring his speech. He's stumbling. 476 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:51,960 He's slurring his speech. He's stumbling. 477 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,680 He can't do finger-to-nose. 478 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,720 They make the determination that the driver's 479 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:56,640 They make the determination that the driver's 480 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,680 under the influence of an intoxicating substance. 481 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,240 under the influence of an intoxicating substance. 482 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:00,840 They place him under arrest 483 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,880 and put him in the back seat of their patrol car. 484 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:03,120 and put him in the back seat of their patrol car. 485 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,560 The passenger officer goes up to check on the car. 486 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,600 The passenger officer goes up to check on the car. 487 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:08,920 The passenger officer goes up to check on the car. 488 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,960 They notice an individual sitting on the passenger seat of that car. 489 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 They notice an individual sitting on the passenger seat of that car. 490 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:13,480 They notice an individual sitting on the passenger seat of that car. 491 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:14,800 Initially, the officer thinks 492 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,840 that he's either passed out or asleep. 493 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:17,480 that he's either passed out or asleep. 494 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,520 He tries to rouse him to see what his story is. 495 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,560 He tries to rouse him to see what his story is. 496 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:21,880 He tries to rouse him to see what his story is. 497 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,920 Perhaps he can, you know, drive the car away, 498 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:24,200 Perhaps he can, you know, drive the car away, 499 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,240 but that passenger is unresponsive. 500 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:26,440 but that passenger is unresponsive. 501 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,920 So, one of the two officers went over to the passenger side, 502 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,960 So, one of the two officers went over to the passenger side, 503 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,280 So, one of the two officers went over to the passenger side, 504 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,320 opened the door, and the fellow fell over. 505 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,080 opened the door, and the fellow fell over. 506 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,640 The officer steps in there and kind of shakes the guy. 507 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,960 The officer steps in there and kind of shakes the guy. 508 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,240 The guy doesn't move. 509 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,280 And then he takes a pulse. 510 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,560 And then he takes a pulse. 511 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,960 It's cold. 512 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000 And then all of a sudden, he opens the door. 513 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,200 And then all of a sudden, he opens the door. 514 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,240 And there it is - the guy is exposed, his genitals showing. 515 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,840 And there it is - the guy is exposed, his genitals showing. 516 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,880 SIREN WAILING His hands are secured behind him. 517 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,040 SIREN WAILING His hands are secured behind him. 518 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,840 And he looks a little closer, and it looks to be 519 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,880 some ligature marks around his neck. 520 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:02,960 some ligature marks around his neck. 521 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:07,120 They were his shoelaces that had been tied around his wrists, 522 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,160 They were his shoelaces that had been tied around his wrists, 523 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,400 They were his shoelaces that had been tied around his wrists, 524 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,440 and that he'd probably been strangled with a belt. 525 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,440 and that he'd probably been strangled with a belt. 526 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,480 He was a tall fellow and turned out that he was a marine 527 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,520 He was a tall fellow and turned out that he was a marine 528 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,560 He was a tall fellow and turned out that he was a marine 529 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,240 He was a tall fellow and turned out that he was a marine 530 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,280 who had been stationed at nearby Camp Pendleton 531 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,160 who had been stationed at nearby Camp Pendleton 532 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,160 in southern Orange County. 533 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,200 They called EMTs, and they showed up 534 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,200 They called EMTs, and they showed up 535 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,240 and transported the victim to the nearest hospital, 536 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,280 and transported the victim to the nearest hospital, 537 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,040 and transported the victim to the nearest hospital, 538 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,080 but they determined that he was pretty much dead on arrival. 539 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:40,120 but they determined that he was pretty much dead on arrival. 540 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:40,360 but they determined that he was pretty much dead on arrival. 541 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,680 This was just supposed to be a DUI stop, 542 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:45,400 This was just supposed to be a DUI stop, 543 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,040 an easy traffic stop. 544 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,160 They're gonna have to call the homicide detectives. 545 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:50,440 They're gonna have to call the homicide detectives. 546 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,320 There's a dead body in the car. 547 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,360 His story was that he just picked up this individual 548 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,400 His story was that he just picked up this individual 549 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,440 hitchhiking on the side of the road 550 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,480 and perhaps he had some sort of medical emergency, 551 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,680 and perhaps he had some sort of medical emergency, 552 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,720 perhaps he ingested some sort of substance 553 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:03,600 perhaps he ingested some sort of substance 554 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,640 that led to his death. 555 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:05,920 that led to his death. 556 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,960 The driver of the car was arrested for suspected homicide. 557 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,000 The driver of the car was arrested for suspected homicide. 558 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,080 The driver of the car was arrested for suspected homicide. 559 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,040 That is not the end of the story. 560 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,240 They identified the driver through his California identification. 561 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,680 They identified the driver through his California identification. 562 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,720 And at the time, he had a limited criminal history. 563 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,760 And at the time, he had a limited criminal history. 564 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,000 And at the time, he had a limited criminal history. 565 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,800 He had some arrests for solicitation in Long Beach. 566 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,840 He had some arrests for solicitation in Long Beach. 567 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:35,200 He had some arrests for solicitation in Long Beach. 568 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,640 The driver turned out to be a computer repairman 569 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,920 The driver turned out to be a computer repairman 570 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,960 named Randy Steven Kraft. 571 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,160 named Randy Steven Kraft. 572 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,920 They called the homicide detectives because there was a dead body there, 573 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,560 They called the homicide detectives because there was a dead body there, 574 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,600 and eventually, they searched the car. 575 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:49,840 and eventually, they searched the car. 576 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,240 When they went into the trunk, they found a piece of paper, 577 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,280 When they went into the trunk, they found a piece of paper, 578 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:55,600 When they went into the trunk, they found a piece of paper, 579 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,640 and it had all these names abbreviated, 580 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,040 and it had all these names abbreviated, 581 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,080 and they went down. 582 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:01,120 The first one was "Stable". 583 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:01,400 The first one was "Stable". 584 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,440 It turned out that was where Randy Kraft would pick up. 585 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,440 It turned out that was where Randy Kraft would pick up. 586 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,400 That was one of the gay bars. 587 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,440 And you go down, it would say the name 588 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,280 And you go down, it would say the name 589 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,280 of where the person was picked up 590 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,320 or some characteristic of that person all the way down, 591 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:15,640 or some characteristic of that person all the way down, 592 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,680 but it talked about other places like Portland, Oregon. 593 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,400 but it talked about other places like Portland, Oregon. 594 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,120 It talked about Michigan. 595 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,320 One thing leads to another, 596 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,360 and they think that Kraft might have been responsible 597 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,680 and they think that Kraft might have been responsible 598 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,280 for, like, 67 murders. 599 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,080 Randy Kraft was born 1945, grew up in Southern California. 600 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,120 Randy Kraft was born 1945, grew up in Southern California. 601 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,160 Randy Kraft was born 1945, grew up in Southern California. 602 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:43,480 Randy Kraft was born 1945, grew up in Southern California. 603 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,520 His parents had moved out here at the beginning of World War II 604 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,560 His parents had moved out here at the beginning of World War II 605 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:47,920 His parents had moved out here at the beginning of World War II 606 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,960 to work in the defence industry, his father for an aircraft maker. 607 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,800 to work in the defence industry, his father for an aircraft maker. 608 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,040 {\an8}He had three older sisters, who were substantially older than him. 609 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,080 {\an8}He had three older sisters, who were substantially older than him. 610 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,320 {\an8}He had three older sisters, who were substantially older than him. 611 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:00,360 {\an8}He was doted upon because he was the only boy in the family. 612 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,400 {\an8}He was doted upon because he was the only boy in the family. 613 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,520 {\an8}He was doted upon because he was the only boy in the family. 614 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,560 And all three of his sisters and his mother 615 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,880 And all three of his sisters and his mother 616 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,920 treated him with deference. 617 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,520 treated him with deference. 618 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,080 He was the little prince. 619 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,120 But there was this dark... aspect of his early upbringing. 620 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,160 But there was this dark... aspect of his early upbringing. 621 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,920 But there was this dark... aspect of his early upbringing. 622 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,200 His father liked to drink, 623 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:20,480 His father liked to drink, 624 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,520 and he would have this personality change 625 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:23,160 and he would have this personality change 626 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,200 and go into rages at times. 627 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:25,480 and go into rages at times. 628 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,520 There are a couple of bits of evidence in... 629 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,800 There are a couple of bits of evidence in... 630 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,840 when Randy was a baby. 631 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:31,520 when Randy was a baby. 632 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,560 He supposedly fell down the stairs 633 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,600 He supposedly fell down the stairs 634 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,640 and broke his collarbone when he was a toddler. 635 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,680 and broke his collarbone when he was a toddler. 636 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:38,960 and broke his collarbone when he was a toddler. 637 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,080 {\an8}Breaking a baby's collarbone with a fall... 638 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,080 {\an8}Breaking a baby's collarbone with a fall... 639 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:46,120 {\an8}is pretty damn difficult. 640 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:46,880 {\an8}is pretty damn difficult. 641 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,920 {\an8}I mean, babies don't just fall and break a bone 642 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,240 {\an8}I mean, babies don't just fall and break a bone 643 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,280 {\an8}the way that an alter kocker like myself does. 644 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,320 {\an8}the way that an alter kocker like myself does. 645 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:55,000 {\an8}the way that an alter kocker like myself does. 646 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,040 {\an8}Their bones are elastic. 647 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:57,760 {\an8}Their bones are elastic. 648 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,800 So the fact that he would have a broken collarbone 649 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,840 So the fact that he would have a broken collarbone 650 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,720 So the fact that he would have a broken collarbone 651 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,760 would cast suspicion on him right off the bat. 652 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:05,480 would cast suspicion on him right off the bat. 653 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,160 And then there was a second incident 654 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,200 {\an8}when he again suffered a fall and passed out 655 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,240 {\an8}when he again suffered a fall and passed out 656 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,240 {\an8}when he again suffered a fall and passed out 657 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,280 {\an8}and had to be taken to a health clinic nearby. 658 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,000 {\an8}and had to be taken to a health clinic nearby. 659 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,120 Both of these are incidents when he was a baby, 660 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:19,520 Both of these are incidents when he was a baby, 661 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,560 and the obvious culprit would be his father. 662 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,760 and the obvious culprit would be his father. 663 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,160 I haven't been able to ever get anyone to confirm that. 664 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,600 I haven't been able to ever get anyone to confirm that. 665 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,640 The closest that any of the three sisters came to saying it 666 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,960 The closest that any of the three sisters came to saying it 667 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 was the middle sister, Doris, who told me that, 668 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,760 was the middle sister, Doris, who told me that, 669 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,800 "Yeah, Dad could really put them away, 670 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,880 "Yeah, Dad could really put them away, 671 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,920 "and when he did, he was completely unpredictable." 672 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,080 "and when he did, he was completely unpredictable." 673 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,240 {\an8}Randy grew up in the 1950s, 674 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:49,520 {\an8}Randy grew up in the 1950s, 675 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,560 {\an8}identified as a conservative, a Republican, 676 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,000 {\an8}identified as a conservative, a Republican, 677 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,040 {\an8}as a young man, had said, 678 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,120 {\an8}as a young man, had said, 679 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,160 {\an8}"I want someday to be in politics, perhaps a US Senator." 680 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,160 {\an8}"I want someday to be in politics, perhaps a US Senator." 681 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,200 {\an8}That's what he was thinking in the '50s. 682 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,160 {\an8}That's what he was thinking in the '50s. 683 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,200 In 1964, he was involved in politics as a 19-year-old. 684 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,240 In 1964, he was involved in politics as a 19-year-old. 685 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,400 In 1964, he was involved in politics as a 19-year-old. 686 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,440 He actually helped campaign as a volunteer 687 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:09,880 He actually helped campaign as a volunteer 688 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,920 for the Republican presidential nominee, 689 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,080 for the Republican presidential nominee, 690 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:14,640 Senator Barry Goldwater. 691 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,360 But then as he got a little older, 692 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:18,720 But then as he got a little older, 693 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,560 his political views started changing. 694 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,600 He no longer reflected his parents' views. 695 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,400 He no longer reflected his parents' views. 696 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,440 He went off to college, Claremont College, 697 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,080 He went off to college, Claremont College, 698 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,120 where he joined the ROTC. 699 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:29,640 where he joined the ROTC. 700 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,680 And he became a little bit, if you will, 701 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,520 And he became a little bit, if you will, 702 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,560 more progressive or more liberal... 703 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:34,760 more progressive or more liberal... 704 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,440 ..adopting political views and cultural views 705 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,120 ..adopting political views and cultural views 706 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,160 that were more common among college students in the 1960s. 707 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,200 that were more common among college students in the 1960s. 708 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:43,440 that were more common among college students in the 1960s. 709 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,120 He joined the US Air Force 710 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,160 and was assigned to Edwards Air Force Base, 711 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,000 and was assigned to Edwards Air Force Base, 712 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,040 which is just north of Los Angeles County. 713 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:57,760 which is just north of Los Angeles County. 714 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,160 He painted aircraft, supervised, later became an airman first class. 715 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,200 He painted aircraft, supervised, later became an airman first class. 716 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,560 He painted aircraft, supervised, later became an airman first class. 717 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,600 So he had a good Air Force career going. 718 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,560 So he had a good Air Force career going. 719 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,680 Kraft had hinted to his parents that he was gay. 720 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,640 Kraft had hinted to his parents that he was gay. 721 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,680 He would bring his male friends over to the house to meet them, 722 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,800 He would bring his male friends over to the house to meet them, 723 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,840 but they didn't quite seem to pick up on it until, 724 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,360 but they didn't quite seem to pick up on it until, 725 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,400 finally, he came out and said, "I'm gay." 726 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,640 finally, he came out and said, "I'm gay." 727 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,400 His father didn't take it very well, 728 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,440 his mother somewhat more understanding. 729 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:27,720 his mother somewhat more understanding. 730 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,200 It's also a confession, if you will, that he made to the military, 731 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,840 It's also a confession, if you will, that he made to the military, 732 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,840 to his supervisor at Edwards Air Force Base. 733 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,080 to his supervisor at Edwards Air Force Base. 734 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,200 If, in the '60s or the '70s, the military found out, 735 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,240 If, in the '60s or the '70s, the military found out, 736 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:41,880 If, in the '60s or the '70s, the military found out, 737 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920 especially you telling them that you were gay, 738 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,440 especially you telling them that you were gay, 739 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,760 they would kick you out. 740 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,120 They didn't want you. 741 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,160 So they initiated a general discharge for him 742 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,920 So they initiated a general discharge for him 743 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,280 for medical reasons, 744 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,320 almost as if Kraft had lost a leg or something, 745 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:56,160 almost as if Kraft had lost a leg or something, 746 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,200 that he wasn't fit, not needed in the military any more. 747 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,200 that he wasn't fit, not needed in the military any more. 748 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,240 And that ended his military career. 749 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:01,720 And that ended his military career. 750 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,280 Kraft returns home to his parents' house 751 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,480 Kraft returns home to his parents' house 752 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,520 and starts doing a variety of jobs, including bartending, 753 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,560 and starts doing a variety of jobs, including bartending, 754 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,120 and starts doing a variety of jobs, including bartending, 755 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,160 working at gay bars, working for a swimwear company, 756 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,280 working at gay bars, working for a swimwear company, 757 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,920 working for a water company. 758 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,680 He goes back to school 759 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,720 and brushes up his education resume, studying education. 760 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,760 and brushes up his education resume, studying education. 761 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,640 and brushes up his education resume, studying education. 762 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,680 He was an aspiring computer programmer, 763 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,640 He was an aspiring computer programmer, 764 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,680 which, given the early '80s, was an up-and-coming field. 765 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,000 which, given the early '80s, was an up-and-coming field. 766 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,040 {\an8}He worked for a couple different companies 767 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,040 {\an8}He worked for a couple different companies 768 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,080 {\an8}and then worked as an independent contractor as well 769 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,000 {\an8}and then worked as an independent contractor as well 770 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,040 {\an8}to do computer programming for these institutions. 771 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,080 {\an8}to do computer programming for these institutions. 772 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,560 He was living a homosexual lifestyle in Long Beach. 773 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,160 He was living a homosexual lifestyle in Long Beach. 774 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,200 He had a significant other that he lived with in Long Beach. 775 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,240 He had a significant other that he lived with in Long Beach. 776 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:49,560 He had a significant other that he lived with in Long Beach. 777 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,600 They had an "on again, off again" relationship. 778 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,800 They had an "on again, off again" relationship. 779 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,360 But there was a dark side to what Kraft was doing 780 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:56,640 But there was a dark side to what Kraft was doing 781 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,680 in his years after the military. 782 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,120 in his years after the military. 783 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,160 He was cruising the roads of Southern California, 784 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,920 He was cruising the roads of Southern California, 785 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,960 going to gay bars, picking up young men, 786 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,520 going to gay bars, picking up young men, 787 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,560 drugging them with drugs and alcohol, 788 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,040 drugging them with drugs and alcohol, 789 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,080 sodomising and killing them. 790 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:11,400 sodomising and killing them. 791 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,760 Now, Randy Kraft's victims were older, 792 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,040 Now, Randy Kraft's victims were older, 793 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,320 like, say, they were marines, 794 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,360 {\an8}so they were a little bit harder to control. 795 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,600 {\an8}so they were a little bit harder to control. 796 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,640 {\an8}But he was using drugs... 797 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,000 {\an8}But he was using drugs... 798 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,040 {\an8}and stuff of that nature to knock them out 799 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:27,360 {\an8}and stuff of that nature to knock them out 800 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,800 {\an8}and then strangle them and kill them. 801 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,080 Kraft began experimenting with pharmaceuticals early on, 802 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,120 Kraft began experimenting with pharmaceuticals early on, 803 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,120 Kraft began experimenting with pharmaceuticals early on, 804 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,160 as early as his college days, on his own girlfriend at the time - 805 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,200 as early as his college days, on his own girlfriend at the time - 806 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,000 as early as his college days, on his own girlfriend at the time - 807 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,040 because he did have a girlfriend at one time - 808 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:43,920 because he did have a girlfriend at one time - 809 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,960 and then, later on, his so-called friends. 810 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,400 and then, later on, his so-called friends. 811 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,440 He... He tried it out on them to see... 812 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,480 He... He tried it out on them to see... 813 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,200 He... He tried it out on them to see... 814 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,240 They were his guinea pigs to see how they would react. 815 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,320 They were his guinea pigs to see how they would react. 816 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,360 Over time, he... kind of perfected it. 817 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,240 Over time, he... kind of perfected it. 818 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,560 That's what we were dealing with back in the day. 819 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,160 That's what we were dealing with back in the day. 820 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,480 It was surreal. 821 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,800 There was one marine victim who he took a lot of pictures of, 822 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,840 There was one marine victim who he took a lot of pictures of, 823 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,280 There was one marine victim who he took a lot of pictures of, 824 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,320 Polaroid shots, who probably had been alive 825 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,360 Polaroid shots, who probably had been alive 826 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,160 Polaroid shots, who probably had been alive 827 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,160 for the better part of a week. 828 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,200 And... And he... 829 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,200 And... And he... 830 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,240 You know, he just kept dosing him 831 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:24,520 You know, he just kept dosing him 832 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,560 with exactly the right amount of medication 833 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,600 with exactly the right amount of medication 834 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,120 with exactly the right amount of medication 835 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,160 because he wanted to, you know, hear the screams, I guess. 836 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,600 because he wanted to, you know, hear the screams, I guess. 837 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,160 Kraft was a monster. 838 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,400 Kraft was a monster. 839 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,800 One who survived Kraft was a biker named Joey Fancher... 840 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,840 One who survived Kraft was a biker named Joey Fancher... 841 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,880 One who survived Kraft was a biker named Joey Fancher... 842 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,640 One who survived Kraft was a biker named Joey Fancher... 843 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,680 one of Kraft's earliest would-be victims. 844 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,160 one of Kraft's earliest would-be victims. 845 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,360 He was a 12- or 13-year-old skateboarder in Huntington Beach. 846 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,400 He was a 12- or 13-year-old skateboarder in Huntington Beach. 847 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,560 He was a 12- or 13-year-old skateboarder in Huntington Beach. 848 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,960 He cut class on a regular basis. 849 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,000 And he'd go down to the pier in Huntington Beach. 850 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,520 And he'd go down to the pier in Huntington Beach. 851 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,560 And he met this guy. 852 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:08,920 And he met this guy. 853 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,960 He talked a good line, and, you know, lured Fancher 854 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:11,920 He talked a good line, and, you know, lured Fancher 855 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,960 to his hotel room, I guess, on the promise of beer. 856 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 to his hotel room, I guess, on the promise of beer. 857 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,840 to his hotel room, I guess, on the promise of beer. 858 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,880 He gave him something to drink. 859 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,320 He gave him something to drink. 860 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,360 And the next thing Fancher knew, he awakened in his bed. 861 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,400 And the next thing Fancher knew, he awakened in his bed. 862 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,240 And the next thing Fancher knew, he awakened in his bed. 863 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,200 His pants were down... 864 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,160 ..and he was exposed. 865 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,440 There was nobody there, but it was getting dark, 866 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,480 There was nobody there, but it was getting dark, 867 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:36,800 There was nobody there, but it was getting dark, 868 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,840 and obviously, he'd been out for several hours. 869 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,560 and obviously, he'd been out for several hours. 870 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,600 He got up and got the hell out of there and went home. 871 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,640 He got up and got the hell out of there and went home. 872 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:44,880 He got up and got the hell out of there and went home. 873 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,040 The police did investigate. 874 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,080 They did find all these prescription drugs 875 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,120 They did find all these prescription drugs 876 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:53,920 They did find all these prescription drugs 877 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,960 in his possession, but they never did anything about it. 878 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 in his possession, but they never did anything about it. 879 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:58,320 in his possession, but they never did anything about it. 880 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,360 He wasn't charged, and Fancher got his first taste 881 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,400 He wasn't charged, and Fancher got his first taste 882 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,280 He wasn't charged, and Fancher got his first taste 883 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,320 of Southern California justice by doing the right thing 884 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,360 of Southern California justice by doing the right thing 885 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:08,920 of Southern California justice by doing the right thing 886 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960 and telling his parents and then seeing nothing happen as 887 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,400 and telling his parents and then seeing nothing happen as 888 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,440 a direct result of his shining a light on this... pervert. 889 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,480 a direct result of his shining a light on this... pervert. 890 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,520 a direct result of his shining a light on this... pervert. 891 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800 Crotwell was the case wherein, 892 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,800 Crotwell was the case wherein, 893 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,840 ultimately, two of Long Beach's finest 894 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,880 ultimately, two of Long Beach's finest 895 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,160 ultimately, two of Long Beach's finest 896 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,200 had enough circumstantial evidence 897 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,640 had enough circumstantial evidence 898 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,680 in terms of Kraft having been spotted 899 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,480 in terms of Kraft having been spotted 900 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,520 in the vicinity of the body, not the head, but the body. 901 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,560 in the vicinity of the body, not the head, but the body. 902 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:42,840 in the vicinity of the body, not the head, but the body. 903 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,160 He had been seen leaving the parking lot at Ripples 904 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,880 He had been seen leaving the parking lot at Ripples 905 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,920 in his car that evening. 906 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,800 in his car that evening. 907 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,840 It ultimately brought two homicide detectives 908 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,880 It ultimately brought two homicide detectives 909 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,240 to his front door, 910 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,280 and they wanted him to come down to headquarters and... 911 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,560 and they wanted him to come down to headquarters and... 912 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,080 ..submit to questioning. 913 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,880 ..submit to questioning. 914 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920 And Kraft did so. 915 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,280 And Kraft did so. 916 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,320 He went to the Long Beach Police Department, 917 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,120 He went to the Long Beach Police Department, 918 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,160 went into the classic little interrogation room 919 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,200 went into the classic little interrogation room 920 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:14,520 went into the classic little interrogation room 921 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,560 with these two cops, who were recording the whole thing. 922 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,360 with these two cops, who were recording the whole thing. 923 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,520 He managed, over the period of an hour or so, 924 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,560 He managed, over the period of an hour or so, 925 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:22,880 He managed, over the period of an hour or so, 926 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,920 to dance around most of their pointed questions 927 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,360 to dance around most of their pointed questions 928 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,400 and point out that he had car trouble 929 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,440 and point out that he had car trouble 930 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:29,760 and point out that he had car trouble 931 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,800 and he needed help from his roommate 932 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,840 and he needed help from his roommate 933 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,880 and he... he walked away from his car to... 934 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,920 and he... he walked away from his car to... 935 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,680 and he... he walked away from his car to... 936 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,720 cos it had gotten stuck in the sand. 937 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,000 cos it had gotten stuck in the sand. 938 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,040 And that was all just coincidental that he happened to be around 939 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,080 And that was all just coincidental that he happened to be around 940 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,400 And that was all just coincidental that he happened to be around 941 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,440 when whoever it was that killed this poor unfortunate 942 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,280 when whoever it was that killed this poor unfortunate 943 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320 had left the body just... a few yards away. 944 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,360 had left the body just... a few yards away. 945 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:54,840 had left the body just... a few yards away. 946 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,480 You would think that the cops would follow up on that. 947 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,520 You would think that the cops would follow up on that. 948 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,400 You would think that the cops would follow up on that. 949 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,000 But there's no evidence 950 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,040 that the cops did anything further on that. 951 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:05,360 that the cops did anything further on that. 952 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,400 They just made the judgment call that, 953 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,720 They just made the judgment call that, 954 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,760 yeah, he was this friendly computer techie 955 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,320 yeah, he was this friendly computer techie 956 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,360 {\an8}and he just happened to be in the proximity 957 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:14,680 {\an8}and he just happened to be in the proximity 958 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,720 {\an8}of this... Freeway Killer victim. 959 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,760 {\an8}of this... Freeway Killer victim. 960 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,520 {\an8}of this... Freeway Killer victim. 961 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,560 It was yet another example 962 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:22,840 It was yet another example 963 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,880 of Randy Kraft literally getting away with murder. 964 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:25,840 of Randy Kraft literally getting away with murder. 965 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,120 SIREN WAILS 966 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,320 SIREN WAILS 967 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,360 One of the things that highlighted Randy Kraft 968 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:35,720 One of the things that highlighted Randy Kraft 969 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,360 was he was known as the Scorecard Killer. 970 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,400 And during his search of that Toyota after his arrest, 971 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,440 And during his search of that Toyota after his arrest, 972 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:41,720 And during his search of that Toyota after his arrest, 973 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,760 they found what they believed to be 974 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,040 they found what they believed to be 975 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,080 an encrypted list of potential victims. 976 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:46,400 an encrypted list of potential victims. 977 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,440 The scorecard, which was a sheet of notebook paper 978 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480 The scorecard, which was a sheet of notebook paper 979 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,280 The scorecard, which was a sheet of notebook paper 980 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,320 that looked like it might have been bloodstained, 981 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:53,720 that looked like it might have been bloodstained, 982 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,760 some of them were relatively obvious, 983 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,560 some of them were relatively obvious, 984 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,600 like Edward Daniel Moore, because it was "EDM". 985 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,640 like Edward Daniel Moore, because it was "EDM". 986 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,120 like Edward Daniel Moore, because it was "EDM". 987 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,160 That was easy for law enforcement to connect to a body. 988 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,680 That was easy for law enforcement to connect to a body. 989 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320 Crotwell was equated with the term "parking lot". 990 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,920 Crotwell was equated with the term "parking lot". 991 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,200 They were memory triggers 992 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,240 to relive the experience of each murder. 993 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,280 to relive the experience of each murder. 994 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,840 to relive the experience of each murder. 995 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,320 {\an8}Kraft took impeccable notes. 996 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,800 {\an8}Kraft took impeccable notes. 997 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,840 {\an8}It was almost like a... like a highway of what he did. 998 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,240 {\an8}It was almost like a... like a highway of what he did. 999 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,480 But you go down that list, and there are a lot of entries 1000 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,840 But you go down that list, and there are a lot of entries 1001 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,880 that are easily connected to murder victims, 1002 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,920 that are easily connected to murder victims, 1003 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,240 that are easily connected to murder victims, 1004 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,280 but there are a good many that remain 1005 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:40,560 but there are a good many that remain 1006 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,520 anybody's guess to this day. 1007 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,840 In 2016, I was assigned 1008 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,760 In 2016, I was assigned 1009 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,800 to the Orange County Cold Case Homicide Task Force, 1010 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,320 to the Orange County Cold Case Homicide Task Force, 1011 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,360 which, at that time, was an entity that was run 1012 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,240 which, at that time, was an entity that was run 1013 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,280 by the District Attorney's Office. 1014 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:56,520 by the District Attorney's Office. 1015 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,560 And it was a multi-agency entity 1016 00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,400 And it was a multi-agency entity 1017 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440 that worked primarily on solving cold cases. 1018 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,280 that worked primarily on solving cold cases. 1019 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,320 One of the individuals on that list 1020 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:05,800 One of the individuals on that list 1021 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840 was a John Doe for our agency from 1974. 1022 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,880 was a John Doe for our agency from 1974. 1023 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,120 was a John Doe for our agency from 1974. 1024 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,080 The thing about that individual is that his naked body 1025 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120 The thing about that individual is that his naked body 1026 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:15,400 The thing about that individual is that his naked body 1027 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,440 was tossed off a fire break, 1028 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,280 was tossed off a fire break, 1029 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,320 which would have been rural southern Orange County back in 1974, 1030 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,360 which would have been rural southern Orange County back in 1974, 1031 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:22,680 which would have been rural southern Orange County back in 1974, 1032 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,720 and that there were tyre tracks along the side of this fire break. 1033 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,800 and that there were tyre tracks along the side of this fire break. 1034 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,400 And by all indications, 1035 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,440 it looked like this person had been dumped off the freeway. 1036 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:29,920 it looked like this person had been dumped off the freeway. 1037 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000 However, at that time, in 1974, 1038 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,720 However, at that time, in 1974, 1039 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,760 his death was ruled accidental 1040 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,040 his death was ruled accidental 1041 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,080 due to alcohol and diazepam intoxication. 1042 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,960 due to alcohol and diazepam intoxication. 1043 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000 It had only been five or six days, so unfortunately, it was... 1044 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,040 It had only been five or six days, so unfortunately, it was... 1045 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,080 It had only been five or six days, so unfortunately, it was... 1046 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,680 It had only been five or six days, so unfortunately, it was... 1047 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,720 difficult to determine whether he had been strangled or not 1048 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,120 difficult to determine whether he had been strangled or not 1049 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,160 just based on the condition of the... 1050 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,880 just based on the condition of the... 1051 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,920 for lack of a better term, the flesh. 1052 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,240 for lack of a better term, the flesh. 1053 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,280 But they were still able to do toxicological examination. 1054 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,240 But they were still able to do toxicological examination. 1055 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,280 So fast-forward to 1983, and all these bodies 1056 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,360 So fast-forward to 1983, and all these bodies 1057 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,400 are coming through Orange County and jurisdictions 1058 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,240 are coming through Orange County and jurisdictions 1059 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,280 with that same characteristic. 1060 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,240 with that same characteristic. 1061 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,280 They reopened that investigation to say, 1062 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:10,880 They reopened that investigation to say, 1063 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,920 "Hey, this victim may be a victim of Randy Kraft." 1064 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,360 "Hey, this victim may be a victim of Randy Kraft." 1065 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,320 My work in that detail, 1066 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,280 My work in that detail, 1067 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,320 I learned how to do investigative genetic genealogy, 1068 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,400 I learned how to do investigative genetic genealogy, 1069 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,440 which is using familial DNA to identify these individuals. 1070 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,560 which is using familial DNA to identify these individuals. 1071 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240 So, in late 2022, we submitted a forensic specimen 1072 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,280 So, in late 2022, we submitted a forensic specimen 1073 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,240 So, in late 2022, we submitted a forensic specimen 1074 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,280 for this 1974 John Doe to a private lab 1075 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,400 for this 1974 John Doe to a private lab 1076 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,440 to do DNA processing in hopes of getting him identified. 1077 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,480 to do DNA processing in hopes of getting him identified. 1078 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,520 And over the course of the next ten months, 1079 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:42,840 And over the course of the next ten months, 1080 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880 we successfully identified him as Michael Schlicht. 1081 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,040 we successfully identified him as Michael Schlicht. 1082 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920 His mom was still alive, 1083 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,200 His mom was still alive, 1084 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,240 so we went out and interviewed Mom and a sister. 1085 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,040 so we went out and interviewed Mom and a sister. 1086 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080 And the last they'd ever heard from Michael 1087 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,360 And the last they'd ever heard from Michael 1088 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,400 was he was hitchhiking to California from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. 1089 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,440 was he was hitchhiking to California from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. 1090 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,640 was he was hitchhiking to California from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. 1091 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,680 And coincidentally, on Kraft's scorecard is an entry for "Iowa". 1092 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,720 And coincidentally, on Kraft's scorecard is an entry for "Iowa". 1093 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,480 And coincidentally, on Kraft's scorecard is an entry for "Iowa". 1094 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,160 {\an8}Meanwhile, they impound the car. 1095 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,200 {\an8}They find all sorts of forensic evidence within the car. 1096 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:23,920 {\an8}They find all sorts of forensic evidence within the car. 1097 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,960 {\an8}And it was a short time after that that they started putting together 1098 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,640 {\an8}And it was a short time after that that they started putting together 1099 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,680 {\an8}all the evidence against this guy, 1100 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:30,160 {\an8}all the evidence against this guy, 1101 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,200 and they found literally a drawer full of pictures 1102 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:33,760 and they found literally a drawer full of pictures 1103 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,800 of men looking like they were asleep in an apartment somewhere, 1104 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,840 of men looking like they were asleep in an apartment somewhere, 1105 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,200 of men looking like they were asleep in an apartment somewhere, 1106 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:40,280 and they were all dead. 1107 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,480 He had photographed them after he had drugged them and killed them. 1108 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,240 He had photographed them after he had drugged them and killed them. 1109 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,400 He would dismember bodies. 1110 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,440 They found jars of testicles for him, and the pictures. 1111 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,480 They found jars of testicles for him, and the pictures. 1112 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:51,720 They found jars of testicles for him, and the pictures. 1113 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,600 They realise he is the last of the Freeway Killers. 1114 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,640 They realise he is the last of the Freeway Killers. 1115 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,680 They realise he is the last of the Freeway Killers. 1116 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,680 REPORTER: After some 350 personal interviews 1117 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:06,280 REPORTER: After some 350 personal interviews 1118 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,320 with people who knew Randy Kraft and several searches 1119 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:08,640 with people who knew Randy Kraft and several searches 1120 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,680 of Kraft's car and Long Beach residents, 1121 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:11,000 of Kraft's car and Long Beach residents, 1122 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,880 Orange County Sheriff Brad Gates says 1123 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,920 he now has a wealth of information on the man accused 1124 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,240 he now has a wealth of information on the man accused 1125 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,280 in the strangulation deaths of six young men 1126 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:17,960 in the strangulation deaths of six young men 1127 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000 and now a suspect in at least ten more murders. 1128 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:20,400 and now a suspect in at least ten more murders. 1129 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,440 Kraft has already been accused of killing Geoffrey Nelson, 1130 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,440 Kraft has already been accused of killing Geoffrey Nelson, 1131 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,480 Wyatt Loggins, Rodger DeVaul Jr, 1132 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,280 Wyatt Loggins, Rodger DeVaul Jr, 1133 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,320 Mark Hall, Terry Gambrel and Eric Church. 1134 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,360 Mark Hall, Terry Gambrel and Eric Church. 1135 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:31,960 Mark Hall, Terry Gambrel and Eric Church. 1136 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Then there's 25-year-old Mikeal Laine. 1137 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,040 His picture was found at Kraft's residence, 1138 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,360 His picture was found at Kraft's residence, 1139 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,400 but it's unknown if he's alive or dead, 1140 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:38,720 but it's unknown if he's alive or dead, 1141 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,760 the same for these men, all believed to be marines. 1142 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,720 the same for these men, all believed to be marines. 1143 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,760 Meantime, Randy Kraft, who remains in jail without bail, 1144 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,840 Meantime, Randy Kraft, who remains in jail without bail, 1145 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,640 is awaiting his preliminary hearing. 1146 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,680 That's scheduled to start here in Orange County on Monday. 1147 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:50,440 That's scheduled to start here in Orange County on Monday. 1148 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,560 {\an8}The trial, which, at the time, 1149 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,600 {\an8}was deemed to have been the longest in Orange County history, 1150 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,640 {\an8}was deemed to have been the longest in Orange County history, 1151 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,320 {\an8}was deemed to have been the longest in Orange County history, 1152 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,360 went on for weeks and weeks. 1153 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,400 went on for weeks and weeks. 1154 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:06,800 went on for weeks and weeks. 1155 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,840 He never for a second let down the notion 1156 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,880 He never for a second let down the notion 1157 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,200 He never for a second let down the notion 1158 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,240 that he'd ever engaged in any sort of... mischief. 1159 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,280 that he'd ever engaged in any sort of... mischief. 1160 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,160 that he'd ever engaged in any sort of... mischief. 1161 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,200 He was an upstanding citizen. 1162 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:19,200 He was an upstanding citizen. 1163 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,240 He's purported to have viewed all of this 1164 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,680 He's purported to have viewed all of this 1165 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,720 as being a persecution because he was gay... 1166 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,680 as being a persecution because he was gay... 1167 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,800 ..even though the evidence is more than overwhelming. 1168 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,520 ..even though the evidence is more than overwhelming. 1169 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,400 In court, he seemed like he was bored with the whole thing. 1170 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,440 In court, he seemed like he was bored with the whole thing. 1171 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:37,760 In court, he seemed like he was bored with the whole thing. 1172 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,800 Cuts, severs off Geoffrey's testicles and his penis. 1173 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,840 Cuts, severs off Geoffrey's testicles and his penis. 1174 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,240 Cuts, severs off Geoffrey's testicles and his penis. 1175 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,280 And when he's through with Geoffrey's body, 1176 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,320 And when he's through with Geoffrey's body, 1177 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:49,600 And when he's through with Geoffrey's body, 1178 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,200 he discards it out of his car. 1179 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,160 Kraft had his excuses. 1180 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,600 Kraft had his excuses. 1181 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,640 It came out later, 1182 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,160 It came out later, 1183 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,200 after the investigation and during the trial, 1184 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:08,360 after the investigation and during the trial, 1185 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,400 that Kraft broke away from his family 1186 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,640 that Kraft broke away from his family 1187 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,680 long enough to go out, find Mark Hall, 1188 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,160 long enough to go out, find Mark Hall, 1189 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,200 maim him, drug him, kill him 1190 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:17,920 maim him, drug him, kill him 1191 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,960 and leave his body up in the hills overlooking Lake Elsinore. 1192 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,720 and leave his body up in the hills overlooking Lake Elsinore. 1193 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,440 He maintained that he was with his family for New Year's, 1194 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,480 He maintained that he was with his family for New Year's, 1195 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,520 He maintained that he was with his family for New Year's, 1196 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:29,840 He maintained that he was with his family for New Year's, 1197 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,880 that they watched the Rose Parade together. 1198 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,040 that they watched the Rose Parade together. 1199 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,080 And, I mean, there was a chunk of time 1200 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,960 And, I mean, there was a chunk of time 1201 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000 in the middle of the night when he was missing, 1202 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:39,880 in the middle of the night when he was missing, 1203 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,920 but no-one seemed to pay much attention to it. 1204 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:42,520 but no-one seemed to pay much attention to it. 1205 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,560 Randy was... weird that way. 1206 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,000 Randy was... weird that way. 1207 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,040 He would wander off and show up later, fresh as a daisy, 1208 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,080 He would wander off and show up later, fresh as a daisy, 1209 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:49,720 He would wander off and show up later, fresh as a daisy, 1210 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,760 and his family suspected nothing, ever. 1211 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,800 and his family suspected nothing, ever. 1212 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,080 and his family suspected nothing, ever. 1213 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,040 REPORTER:Sixteen times today, 1214 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,080 the jury foreman read out the verdict for Randy Kraft. 1215 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,080 the jury foreman read out the verdict for Randy Kraft. 1216 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,120 {\an8}We want to see justice done. 1217 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:10,600 {\an8}We want to see justice done. 1218 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640 {\an8}Our son will not be brought back. 1219 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:12,840 {\an8}Our son will not be brought back. 1220 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,200 {\an8}We have to represent our boy. 1221 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:19,400 {\an8}We have to represent our boy. 1222 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,960 {\an8}He was... He can't be here, but we can. 1223 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,760 {\an8}He was... He can't be here, but we can. 1224 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,800 REPORTER:Mrs Barbara Loggins has waited for nearly nine years 1225 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,640 REPORTER:Mrs Barbara Loggins has waited for nearly nine years 1226 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,680 to see the man who killed her son, Wyatt, convicted. 1227 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:30,320 to see the man who killed her son, Wyatt, convicted. 1228 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,360 That wait ended late this morning. 1229 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:32,640 That wait ended late this morning. 1230 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,680 We, the jury, find the defendant, Randy Steven Kraft, 1231 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,520 We, the jury, find the defendant, Randy Steven Kraft, 1232 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,560 guilty of the crime of felony murder in the first degree, 1233 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,920 guilty of the crime of felony murder in the first degree, 1234 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,480 Robert Wyatt Loggins. 1235 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,840 Kraft only sighed when the first guilty verdict was read. 1236 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,520 Kraft only sighed when the first guilty verdict was read. 1237 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,560 45 minutes later, it was all over. 1238 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,400 45 minutes later, it was all over. 1239 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,440 Each time, it was guilty of murder in the first degree. 1240 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,080 Each time, it was guilty of murder in the first degree. 1241 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,120 He is suspected in 21 other murders in California, Oregon and Michigan. 1242 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,160 He is suspected in 21 other murders in California, Oregon and Michigan. 1243 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,160 He is suspected in 21 other murders in California, Oregon and Michigan. 1244 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,200 He could get life with no parole or the gas chamber. 1245 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:03,000 He could get life with no parole or the gas chamber. 1246 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,080 {\an8}His trial, which began in '88, 1247 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:06,680 {\an8}His trial, which began in '88, 1248 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,720 {\an8}ended in '89 with his sentencing to... the gas chamber. 1249 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,760 {\an8}ended in '89 with his sentencing to... the gas chamber. 1250 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,800 {\an8}ended in '89 with his sentencing to... the gas chamber. 1251 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,400 {\an8}ended in '89 with his sentencing to... the gas chamber. 1252 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,200 After it was all over, 1253 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,240 after all three Freeway Killers were prosecuted, 1254 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,640 after all three Freeway Killers were prosecuted, 1255 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,800 we looked back on it. 1256 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,840 Why did this happen in Southern California, 1257 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,520 Why did this happen in Southern California, 1258 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,560 especially Los Angeles? 1259 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:28,840 especially Los Angeles? 1260 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,880 What made this kind of a magnet that attracted these misfits 1261 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,920 What made this kind of a magnet that attracted these misfits 1262 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,720 What made this kind of a magnet that attracted these misfits 1263 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,760 where they wanted to find young men 1264 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,680 where they wanted to find young men 1265 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,720 and have sexual relations with them and kill them? 1266 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,080 and have sexual relations with them and kill them? 1267 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,840 That is the most interesting thing about these killers, 1268 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,880 That is the most interesting thing about these killers, 1269 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,200 That is the most interesting thing about these killers, 1270 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,240 is that they were very good at mimicking being normal... 1271 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,280 is that they were very good at mimicking being normal... 1272 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,200 is that they were very good at mimicking being normal... 1273 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,240 because they had to get these people in their clutches. 1274 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,800 because they had to get these people in their clutches. 1275 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,840 They had to win them over to get them in the van, 1276 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:00,720 They had to win them over to get them in the van, 1277 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,960 to get them in the car, 1278 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 to get them to come back to their houses. 1279 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,320 to get them to come back to their houses. 1280 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,360 These men were very good at portraying 1281 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,880 These men were very good at portraying 1282 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,920 being average, everyday, normal people. 1283 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,960 being average, everyday, normal people. 1284 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000 It's just amazing that these three serial killers operated 1285 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,040 It's just amazing that these three serial killers operated 1286 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,080 It's just amazing that these three serial killers operated 1287 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,400 It's just amazing that these three serial killers operated 1288 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,440 at the same time, in the same geography, 1289 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,040 at the same time, in the same geography, 1290 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,880 three serial killers 1291 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,920 who were each different yet had the same motive - 1292 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,960 who were each different yet had the same motive - 1293 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,680 who were each different yet had the same motive - 1294 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:29,720 to inflict pain and suffering and death for their own pleasures. 1295 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,760 to inflict pain and suffering and death for their own pleasures. 1296 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,800 to inflict pain and suffering and death for their own pleasures. 1297 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,480 to inflict pain and suffering and death for their own pleasures. 1298 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,880 These guys, they would talk about murdering people 1299 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,200 These guys, they would talk about murdering people 1300 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,240 like you and I would talk about where we were going to lunch. 1301 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:41,560 like you and I would talk about where we were going to lunch. 1302 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,600 That's a sociopath. They have no remorse. 1303 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:43,920 That's a sociopath. They have no remorse. 1304 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960 They have no feelings or consideration for anybody. 1305 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:46,520 They have no feelings or consideration for anybody. 1306 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,560 It was all about sexual gratification. 1307 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:48,800 It was all about sexual gratification. 1308 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,240 But why did it take us so long to catch them? 1309 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,280 That's always a question an investigator will ask himself, 1310 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,320 That's always a question an investigator will ask himself, 1311 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:58,840 That's always a question an investigator will ask himself, 1312 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,400 especially afterwards. 1313 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,440 And especially when you're dealing with youth, 1314 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:02,920 And especially when you're dealing with youth, 1315 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,960 you know, it's just... it's harder. 1316 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:05,800 you know, it's just... it's harder. 1317 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,840 Those things... And they stay with police officers. 1318 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,600 Those things... And they stay with police officers. 1319 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,640 The homicide investigators 1320 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:11,920 The homicide investigators 1321 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,960 that worked the Freeway Killer case and everything, 1322 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,480 that worked the Freeway Killer case and everything, 1323 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,520 they still think about it for a long time afterwards. 1324 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,600 they still think about it for a long time afterwards. 1325 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,080 You don't forget those kind of things. 1326 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,280 It was a golden age for serial killers, 1327 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,320 It was a golden age for serial killers, 1328 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:25,600 It was a golden age for serial killers, 1329 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,000 especially freeway killers. 1330 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,040 It happened. It was very unfortunate. 1331 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,920 It happened. It was very unfortunate. 1332 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960 And many, many, many young lives were lost because of that. 1333 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,880 And many, many, many young lives were lost because of that. 1334 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,760 I don't think the world has seen the last serial killer yet. 1335 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,800 I don't think the world has seen the last serial killer yet. 1336 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,080 I don't think the world has seen the last serial killer yet. 1337 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,320 I'm not sure we ever will. 1338 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,160 What happened at the height of these murders, 1339 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,040 What happened at the height of these murders, 1340 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,080 this changed the way a lot of kids lived 1341 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,160 this changed the way a lot of kids lived 1342 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,200 because you don't see hitchhikers any more. 1343 00:41:59,240 --> 00:41:59,520 because you don't see hitchhikers any more. 1344 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,480 I mean, really, if you come around California, 1345 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,840 you can drive anywhere in LA, 1346 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,880 you don't see people hitchhiking any more. 1347 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:05,200 you don't see people hitchhiking any more. 1348 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,240 And the carefree days of that - long gone. 1349 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,000 And the carefree days of that - long gone. 1350 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,040 {\an8}And I think Kraft and Bonin had a lot to do with that. 1351 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,560 {\an8}And I think Kraft and Bonin had a lot to do with that. 1352 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,600 It changed everything. It really, really did. 1353 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,760 If you add up all of the murders to which they confessed, 1354 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,200 If you add up all of the murders to which they confessed, 1355 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,240 were convicted of, suspected of, it comes to something like 100. 1356 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,640 were convicted of, suspected of, it comes to something like 100. 1357 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,680 {\an8}What a horrible score to think that, for that period of time, 1358 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,440 {\an8}What a horrible score to think that, for that period of time, 1359 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,480 {\an8}these men were able to carry out these crimes 1360 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,080 {\an8}these men were able to carry out these crimes 1361 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,120 as butchers across all of Los Angeles. 1362 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:34,400 as butchers across all of Los Angeles.