1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,160 Hello, and welcome to The Celebrity Traders: Uncloaked, 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,560 the official video podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,600 We're back with a fresh set of celebrities 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,760 who are about to play the game of their life, 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,400 all in a bid to win money for their chosen charity. 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,320 I'll be here after every episode to unpack the latest goings-on 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,480 in the castle, with some familiar faces from series gone by, 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,480 and, of course, the latest murdered and banished players. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,120 Plus I'll be revealing the moment they discovered the identities 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,520 of the Traitors. That's my favourite part. 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,120 If you've watched Uncloaked before, you'll know what's coming. 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,600 It's time for a spoiler warning - 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,280 if you haven't seen the first episode of The Celebrity Traitors 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,320 series two, then now's the time to do it. 15 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,560 Otherwise, what's to come will ruin everything for you. 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,040 Head to BBC iPlayer now and then come back and join us. 17 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,280 {\an8}Coming up in our very first episode - 18 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,280 {\an8}we'll be discussing burning pirate ships, 19 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,560 {\an8}secrets being slipped, and that all important Traitors pick. 20 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,480 {\an8}We'll get stuck into that cliffhanger - 21 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,160 {\an8}who will the Traitors decide to recruit and who to murder? 22 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,600 {\an8}To do all this and more, I'm joined by celebrity Faithful Kate Garraway 23 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,520 and trio of Traitors - 24 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,640 Cat Burns and series four winners Stephen and Rachel. 25 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,720 APPLAUSE 26 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,240 Welcome. Welcome all of you. 27 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,960 First of all, Stephen and Rachel, it's a delight to welcome you 28 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,280 to our little basement here. Thank you very much. 29 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:15,640 You never got the opportunity. 30 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,200 I love what you've done with the place. 31 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,520 Thank you so much. It's very nice. 32 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,280 I've worked really hard on it personally.I can see. 33 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:22,480 How is it watching the celebrities in the castle 34 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,320 so soon after you two got out? 35 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,320 I'm jealous. 36 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,800 It's fabulous. I'd love to be back there. 37 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,440 That's not what Stephen's thinking. 38 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,440 No. I guess you don't need to agree on everything. 39 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,640 It's nice that after a series of you two sort of bonding together 40 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,040 and being on the same team, 41 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,200 you seem to have just gone off in completely different directions. 42 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,960 Don't even like each other any more. LAUGHTER 43 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,440 No, I... I was really... I was... 44 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,280 I was, like, back in that world, watching it, 45 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,960 and I don't know if I was quite ready to go back there. 46 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,080 I didn't know what orifice it was going to come out of, 47 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,880 but I was feeling very, like, shaky. 48 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,240 That's...Sorry. 49 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,760 No, it's the earliest anyone's said "orifice" on Uncloaked. 50 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,440 LAUGHTER 51 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,440 But it's good to get it out there. 52 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,760 Cat, lovely to have you back on Uncloaked. 53 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,520 An amazing new group of celebs. Mm-hm. 54 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,200 Do you have any early favourites? 55 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,560 Maya. Yeah?The queen of my life. 56 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,880 I love her. I just think she's brilliant. 57 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:15,840 Were you happy that she was picked as a Traitor? 58 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,080 I just thought she would be a brilliant one. 59 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,080 Like, we know her as a host, but I think that's perfect, 60 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,440 because you still have to be quite personable as a host, 61 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,080 so I think people just won't suspect her. 62 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,440 You called it before you even saw it, didn't you? 63 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,720 I was like, "I think it's going to be her. 64 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,600 "I think she'd be great." She did. And I was right. 65 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,000 Claudia made the right decision, then, by the sounds of it.She did. 66 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,520 Kate, always a delight to have you here.Is it now? 67 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,360 We always have a laugh. No, genuinely! 68 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,640 I feel like I'm just your sort of straight man, 69 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,480 just something for you to take the mickey out of, 70 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,000 which is important. Yes. 71 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,400 It's important for you to have that in your life, isn't it? 72 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,080 That's what I mean by, "It's always a pleasure." 73 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,800 LAUGHTER 74 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,400 Now, you obviously did make it quite far into the game. 75 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,560 Who do you think, in this group of celebs, could go as far as you did? 76 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,760 See, I was watching it with these guys - you know, 77 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,280 horrible, horrific Traitors, brilliant at their craft... 78 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,760 Yeah...as the only Faithful, 79 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,440 and I just felt the same emotions that I felt before, which is, 80 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,480 "Oh, my God! What?! You're doing that? You're saying that?!" 81 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,400 I was excited by it. They are brilliant Traitors. 82 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,600 I mean, if there is a Traitor version of Kate Garraway, 83 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:23,360 it's got to be Richard right now, hasn't it? 84 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,640 ED LAUGHS 85 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,480 Because you don't know whether it's genius, 86 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,920 and then you realise it's not. 87 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,680 Yeah. And then you realise it's not. 88 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Did you feel that when you were watching? You were like, 89 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,760 "This is an insight into what I would have done as a Traitor"? 90 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:35,880 Exactly what I would have done. 91 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,600 I'd have said, "Yeah, I'm a Traitor. Oh, sorry. Was I...? 92 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,320 "Oh, God, I probably... Can you help save me?" 93 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,240 To the really good Traitor! 94 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Yeah. Now, we don't, obviously, have a freshly murdered 95 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,400 or banished player with us here today, because we don't know 96 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,200 what's going to happen. But I think we've probably got enough 97 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,840 to talk about. It was quite the bumper first episode. 98 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,560 Let's start with that cliffhanger, James and Amol in the chapel, 99 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,800 lying in coffins, waiting to discover 100 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,200 whether they've been murdered or recruited. 101 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,600 Stephen, who do you think the Traitors 102 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,240 are going to choose to recruit? 103 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,640 I mean, I wouldn't have chosen either of them, 104 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,800 first of all, for this. I think they've made a big mistake here. 105 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,120 What? Interesting.I think both of them, whoever is murdered, 106 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,320 it points straight to Richard. Like, it does. Mm. 107 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,240 They should have brought someone like Ross in, 108 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:23,600 because he was accusing everyone under the sun. 109 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,720 If someone sniffed, he was like, 110 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,080 "Did you just murder me by sniffing in my direction?" 111 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,280 And I think, like, if you murdered Ross, 112 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,360 then I think it's the best way to get the heat off Richard, 113 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,960 because they'd go, "Oh, could it be Leigh-Anne trying to save herself? 114 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,040 "Could it be Bella trying to save themselves?" 115 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,000 Like, it's kind of that... I don't know, 116 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,680 it gets people kind of going in all different directions. 117 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,720 In this situation, I actually think Amol did a really good job 118 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,880 of fighting his corner. Yeah. 119 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,560 I have a feeling they're going to pick James 120 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,200 to be in the Turret, though. KATE GASPS 121 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,520 I don't know why. That's just what my waters are telling me. 122 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,960 Your Traitor waters.My Traitor waters are telling me at the moment 123 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,280 that it's going to be James that joins them in that Turret. 124 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,280 And what do you think, Cat, as another former Traitor? 125 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,920 Do you agree with Stephen that they picked the wrong two people 126 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,160 to decide between? 127 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:19,920 Yeah, 100%. I think Maya's being really sweet in wanting to help 128 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,800 and look after Richard and just try and save him, 129 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:25,640 and so I think she's thinking one day ahead 130 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,320 rather than a bigger picture and a bigger plan. 131 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,960 It seems like because of that Traitor thing that you said 132 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,160 yesterday, people don't have a lot to go by, 133 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,960 and that is all they're clinging to right now. Understandably. 134 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,160 Yeah. We've got a big decision to make tonight. Yeah. 135 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,600 We've basically got to work out how to save you. 136 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,280 We've got to invite two Faithful, 137 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,320 one to join our Traitor clan, 138 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,960 and the other to kill. 139 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,080 I think we need to get someone that is your main accuser onside. 140 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,120 OK. The biggest Rottweiler on me is Amol. 141 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,320 I would have thought, "Let me pick somebody that I'm happy to murder, 142 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,040 and, "Let me pick somebody that I would want to join." 143 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,080 I would have probably done Romesh. Yeah. 144 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,040 And then it's someone completely random that's going to come in 145 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,760 and then you guys can still have, like, a bit of a trio, 146 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,160 and then get rid of somebody maybe that hasn't been saying anything 147 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,880 about Richard, and kind of see how that... 148 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,120 Because Richard, bless his heart, 149 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,360 but he's not going to last very long, is he? 150 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:29,640 LAUGHTER 151 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,880 Poor thing. He's just having fun. And I think that, you know, 152 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,480 Maya should have probably thought, "He's going to go soon, 153 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,840 "so let me think about a few steps ahead." 154 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,280 Yeah, a few steps ahead without Richard, 155 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,120 how am I going to play the game? Yeah. 156 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,400 But do you think maybe she thought, 157 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,400 "Well, there's only two of us at the moment, 158 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,880 "and I can't betray the only other Traitor"? 159 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,120 Well, she doesn't need to. And she doesn't... 160 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,280 STEPHEN:He betrayed himself, Kate. Yeah.Yeah. 161 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,480 No, no, by picking someone that suited her 162 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,680 rather than saving Richard. Got you.That's what I mean. 163 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,160 Because the pleas, Rachel, were all around, 164 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,200 "We can help get the heat off Richard." 165 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Yeah. Exactly. What did you think of the two pleas? 166 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,760 Let's start with Amol's plea first. 167 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,360 I think he was the strongest plea because I think he carries 168 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,320 the most weight with the other Faithful. 169 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,080 So I think maybe I disagree, for a change, with Stephen. 170 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,560 I'm thinking they've actually recruited him. 171 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,960 And I think he has... Yeah, I think he could maybe be more manipulative. 172 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,600 I genuinely have absolutely no heat on me whatsoever. 173 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Nobody in there thinks I'm a Traitor. 174 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,440 That's going to be useful. 175 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,520 The second thing is I've established some really good relationships. 176 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,200 I know that they'll believe what I say. 177 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,480 What about James' plea? Because, I mean, I was impressed 178 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,040 he actually managed to give a cogent plea, 179 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,920 because he clearly doesn't want to be a Traitor. 180 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,040 I felt sorry for him. So did I. 181 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,600 You know, having said that he didn't want to play it as a Traitor, 182 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,160 and then having to plead for his life, 183 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,520 but he pivoted really, really well. 184 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,720 I think currently pretty much everyone's convinced I'm a Faithful. 185 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Also I've been pushing your name really, really, really hard. 186 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,640 Everyone knows that about me. 187 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,800 If I go tonight, the first person they're looking at is you. 188 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,960 You need help getting the heat off of you, 189 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,120 and right now, everyone believes me. 190 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,280 He did a really good job. 191 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,440 And I think because he went first, 192 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,240 that was quite helpful for him as well, 193 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,080 because I think a lot of his points Amol then picked up on, 194 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,000 and it did just sound like, "Yes, me too." 195 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,720 He knew exactly what he was doing by saying, "You go first." 196 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,000 They both said that they could take the heat off Richard 197 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,120 if they were recruited.Yeah. Kate, do you think that's possible? 198 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,640 I don't know. I mean, you were all sort of laughing at Ross Kemp, 199 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,800 but that is what it feels like to be a Faithful, 200 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:36,960 which you don't know, 201 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,560 which is that you're absolutely looking at everything. 202 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,320 You're right. Somebody brushes past you and says, "Excuse me," 203 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,720 you think, "Have I just been murdered in plain sight?" 204 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,360 I mean, I did think it was odd that he told people 205 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,200 he wanted to be a Traitor, and then told people he WAS a Traitor. 206 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,760 You know, it's strange. At least Alan told everybody he wanted 207 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,040 to be a Faithful and then slipped up with "a Traitor." 208 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,880 I mean, it could be genius. 209 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,440 Also, Alan never changed how he was acting 210 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,120 pre-pick and post-pick... 211 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,680 No, he was just always... 212 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,560 ..whereas Richard was actually quite sort of, like, subdued 213 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,960 before the pick, and... 214 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,400 He was all menacing, wasn't he? 215 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,680 And then grinning his head off as soon as he was picked. 216 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,920 Oh, he was chuffed to bits and could not hide it. 217 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,440 I just love him so much. I don't know... 218 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,600 I hope he doesn't go. 219 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,320 I think what we've learnt now, with so many different seasons 220 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,480 of this show, is that there isn't really a blueprint 221 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,720 for how this game should be played. 222 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,400 I was the colour of Kate's dress from day one 223 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,600 when my shoulder was tapped right through to the end, 224 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,520 and still, like, even though you're looking at it 225 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:47,880 as a viewer and thinking, "How are they not seeing this?" 226 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,280 in that castle, things are just different. 227 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,160 And there's so many stimuli every single day 228 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,080 that's kind of taking your mind off in different directions. 229 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,480 I do not envy the Faithfuls at all. 230 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,840 I think it's really, really hard. 231 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,760 Even with someone saying, "I'm a Traitor." 232 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,000 There's already people overthinking it, second-guessing it. 233 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,880 Well, exactly! Well, that's the thing, we had multiple people. 234 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,520 We had Jerry Hall, we had Myha'la as well. 235 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:14,360 "He wouldn't have said that." 236 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,600 "Of course he wouldn't just say he's a Traitor if he's a Traitor." 237 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:17,800 You know? 238 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,200 I just don't believe Richard's a Traitor. 239 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,120 I know Richard, I've known him 30 years 240 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,960 and he's my neighbour. 241 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,640 He says and does eccentric things. 242 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,480 He's an amazing guy, but I think he's, like, 243 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,000 acting out because he's not been chosen. 244 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,960 Who do we think out of James and Amol would work best 245 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,960 alongside those two Traitors? 246 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,880 I'm going to say that I think James would come into the Turret 247 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,280 and try and be part of the group 248 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,920 and really hold the group together. 249 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,720 I have a feeling, Amol, because he was so convinced on Richard 250 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,400 and was very open about it, 251 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,320 it would be very hard for him to now go back into the castle 252 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,680 and say, "Yeah, I don't really think it's him." 253 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,320 But so did James. I mean, he said it to his face 254 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,480 and at least Amol actually said 255 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,360 he wanted to be a Traitor, didn't he? Yeah, true. 256 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,840 So he's got that in his soul, whereas I'm not sure James has. 257 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,080 I can't imagine James with the green cloak on, 258 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,360 but I just feel like that's the way it's going. 259 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,880 How do we think the other players are going to react 260 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,840 to James or Amol being murdered? 261 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,200 Because obviously we can't forget, 262 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,560 they've got no idea what's happening here. They have no idea. 263 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,400 They've heard this sort of thing about maybe the Traitors line-up 264 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,720 isn't complete, but they don't really know what that means yet. 265 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,560 So tomorrow morning, either James or Amol are not going to walk in. 266 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,760 How do we think the group are going to react, Rachel, 267 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,400 to one of those two being murdered? 268 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,440 I think initially they're going to all directly look at Richard. 269 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,800 I think it's going to be, "Oh!" and then it'll slightly, 270 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,360 throughout the day, 271 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,920 that will start to move around and they'll kind of misdirect, 272 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,240 I think, the attention. 273 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,720 So I think initially it'll be like a Harriet moment - 274 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,000 you know, Harriet going, "It was me" at breakfast. 275 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,160 "It was definitely me". 276 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,200 And I didn't go home that night, because there was a lot of chatter 277 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,440 throughout the day. Yeah.So I think they have 278 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,600 their work cut out for them, but I think they're going to do it. 279 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,880 A lot can happen in a day, can't it? Oh, my goodness. 280 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,840 One day is like three weeks in there, where so much can happen. 281 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,800 So, yeah, I think initially it will be all the heat on Richard, 282 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,080 but I think it will move. 283 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,000 Well, we've touched on Richard's slip-up, and we will continue to, 284 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,400 because it's probably the craziest thing that's happened 285 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,200 in the history of Traitors, certainly to kick off a series, 286 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,400 We can't get enough of it, so let's have another reminder. 287 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,880 What are you? 288 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,080 Traitor! 289 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,800 You're what? 290 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,240 Traitor! 291 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,280 He's a Traitor. Are you? Yeah. 292 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,640 Right. 293 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,240 What's the point of being in the game if you're not, you know? 294 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,240 Right. Yeah. OK. It's an interesting angle. 295 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,920 Yeah! 296 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,600 It's a lot of nerve. It's just amazing. 297 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,000 It's phenomenal. 298 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,960 A room full of people who are normally quite loud 299 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,840 and extroverted all go completely silent 300 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,360 because they just think, does he know where he is? Yeah. 301 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,160 But they all know he's clever. He's a very, very clever man. 302 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,680 So, yeah, I think he's going to get away with it. 303 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,560 But that moment as well, I'd say there's like a split second 304 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,080 when Joe's looking at him and says, "Oh, what are you?" 305 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,120 And he says, "Oh, I'm a Traitor." There's a moment afterwards 306 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,760 where he just needs to laugh and go, "I'm joking." 307 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,200 Yes. Just say, "Oh, obviously, yeah, it's a joke." 308 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,280 And then that would have been absolutely fine. 309 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Yeah. Like I did it with Reese. Yeah. 310 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,600 As soon as we left Traitors pick, he says, "Are you a Traitor?" 311 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,760 And I says, "Yeah, a big, fat, dirty one." 312 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,920 And I got away... You know, I hid behind the sarcasm. 313 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,880 Yeah.I think he's going to hide behind his humour. 314 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,680 We will see. Let's try and get inside Richard's brain here. 315 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,680 Cat, why do you think Richard did that? 316 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,880 Because he didn't do it as a joke, because then he just carried on, 317 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,680 he backed it up, didn't he? 318 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,480 I think the moment after Claudia taps you, 319 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,360 you just panic. 320 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,720 That gap between finding out who your fellow Traitors are, 321 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,720 you're just a bit like a deer in headlights 322 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,600 because you don't know who to look at. 323 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Like, just to be like, "Who am I in this with?" 324 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,560 So you're just kind of panicking. So I think he was just, 325 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,640 again, really happy to have been picked. 326 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,400 So then when he was asked, 327 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,440 he just sort of said it and then realised, 328 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,640 "Oh, I'm not supposed to do this." And I think honestly, that time 329 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,000 where you just don't know who your fellow Traitors are, 330 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,400 you're just, like, so nervous. 331 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,680 I remember just walking around going, 332 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,520 "Oh, my God, oh, my God, everyone thinks it's me." 333 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,800 But I noticed that you at no point told anyone 334 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,200 you were a Traitor in that moment. 335 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,840 No, I didn't, I didn't tell anybody that I was. 336 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,400 But I think he was just excited. You know, 337 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,800 he's got his lovely little scarf on and he was just drinking his drink, 338 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,160 and he probably just got ahead of himself. 339 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,200 Well, super ahead of himself. He got to a Round Table. Bless him. 340 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,960 LAUGHTER 341 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,840 He fast forwarded the whole show! Yeah, he did. 342 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,800 But when he first gets to the Turret as well, 343 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,440 you can tell how excited he is. 344 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,080 He is juddering up and down. 345 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,560 He's like, yeah, like, so excited. 346 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,000 I can't believe you're playing this game, though. 347 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,240 You've been saying you're a Traitor. 348 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,800 You are mad. I know. 349 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,480 It is Richard. It's just so wild. 350 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,080 He was saying, "I'm a Traitor," and he actually is. 351 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,000 Oh, he's just going to have the best time, 352 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,240 and I just want him to do so well cos I think he's... 353 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,520 He's there for a good time, not a long time, let's be honest. 354 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,120 It might be a long time. I don't know, because... 355 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,520 It might be. ..even if you're a Faithful 356 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,720 in that moment afterwards, you don't know how to be. 357 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,200 I can remember Clare saying, "Oh, you just overreacted." 358 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,400 It's like you're trying not to overreact. 359 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,680 You're trying to sort of be nothing, 360 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,400 but also be something when people smile at you. 361 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,320 It's a weird time. And maybe he just thought, 362 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,320 "Ah! Just bluff it out!" 363 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,640 Kate, what do you think Richard needs to do now 364 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,840 to convince people that he is a Faithful? 365 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,920 OK, so the two people, one of which will be murdered, 366 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,160 both named him as a potential Traitor in their minds, 367 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,800 so what he's got to do when he goes into breakfast 368 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,400 is he's got to go, "Well, obviously it's not me, 369 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,560 "because that's so obvious to murder somebody that accused me." 370 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,240 Yeah.You know, I think that's the first thing, 371 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,080 that he's got to make people think it's too obvious, 372 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,120 which worked quite well for Jonathan for a while, didn't it? Mm-hm. 373 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,880 And just say, "It's too obvious. It's too obvious." 374 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,640 And I think people, 375 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,840 they're already willing to be dissuaded that it's him. 376 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,400 I mean, there's a lot of warmth for him anyway, isn't there? 377 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,800 And so I think he should do that and then just say, 378 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,000 "I feel like such an idiot. 379 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,400 "I've really put myself in the frame, but I'm not a Traitor." 380 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,400 Well, we should talk about Maya, because I think Richard's 381 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,960 going to grab a lot of the headlines from this first episode, but... 382 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,360 Oh, she's amazing. What sort of Traitor do we think 383 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Maya's going to be, Cat? 384 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,760 Oh, a brilliant one. 385 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,840 I think she's similar to me, in many ways, I think... 386 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,360 LAUGHTER No, I think she'll be... 387 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,320 I think she'll be cool, calm and collected. 388 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,080 I don't think people will think it's her, 389 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,440 and I reckon she'll just be able to kind of... 390 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,760 As long as there's other things going on... Mm. 391 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,080 Maybe there will be a few people that are like, 392 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,360 "You know who've we've never thought of? Maya." 393 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,720 Because that just will always happen. Mm. 394 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,120 There will be somebody that goes, 395 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,640 "Guys, maybe we should look at some other personality types 396 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,400 "as well as the louder ones." 397 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,440 And I think hosting things, you always have to come up 398 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,640 with things on a whim. 399 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,720 Things can happen randomly and you have to be able to just riff, 400 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,400 like automatically, so I think she will be a really good one, 401 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,000 and I think will get along with everybody, 402 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,880 and that will help her stay under the radar. 403 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,160 The only good thing about Maya 404 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,240 is that she's in a position now where the heat is way off her. 405 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,920 Yes.So, you know, Richard could go, if they picked Amol or whoever, 406 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,640 then they can go before anybody looks at her. 407 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,760 But I agree with you. But I think at the end, 408 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,280 didn't a few people in that room say, 409 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,760 wouldn't Maya be a great Traitor? 410 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,480 Yeah, there was a bit of discussion around it. Yeah. 411 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,960 I'll tell you who's name hasn't come up at all - Maya. 412 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,720 Bye-bye. Goodnight. She'd be a great Traitor. 413 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,760 She'd be an amazing Traitor. 414 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,040 But I think there's just so much happening with Richard right now, 415 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,360 that's the back burner. That's on the back burner for everyone. 416 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,800 It's all dependent on how much people know 417 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,960 of each other and their work and what they do. 418 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,760 I think if people kind of already know her, 419 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,000 maybe they think, "Oh, she'd be great." 420 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,200 Or maybe some people don't have that mindset 421 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,560 that would think, "She'd be good at lying." 422 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,560 But I just think... I just saw it and I thought 423 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,080 that would be a brilliant pick because we've never seen, like, 424 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:18,920 a host of some sort kind of be that and do that. 425 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,720 So I think for, for us Gen Z-ers, 426 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,800 I would just automatically picked her... Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 427 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,520 ..whereas people from... Yeah, us Gen Z-ers, we're like... 428 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,360 LAUGHTER 429 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,320 When she was picked, I think she was like, 430 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,560 "Here we go. I'm a Traitor. I know how I'm going to start the game. 431 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,320 "It's all going to go in my mind how it's supposed to go," 432 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:39,720 And then Richard did that. 433 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,040 The moment where she saw that Richard was also a Traitor, 434 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,960 she's obviously like, "Right, well, I don't know 435 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,720 "where we're going to go from here." 436 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,720 One of my favourite moments was actually when Maya 437 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,840 called Richard "Doggy". Yeah! 438 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Again, you never know what's going to happen. 439 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,320 Yeah.Like, mental. No-one could have predicted that. 440 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:56,840 You're an actor. 441 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,440 Practise those lines tonight and get in there and adapt to that role. 442 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,840 I am not a Traitor. I am not a Traitor. 443 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,120 I'm not a Traitor. You can do it. I believe in you. 444 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,480 No shame in just, you know, thinking of me as a pet. 445 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,160 If you have to... Down! Down, boy! Down, boy! 446 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,320 All right, Doggy, let's go. 447 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,160 All right. Woof! 448 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,400 Clearly a very unlikely pairing. 449 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,800 A brilliant pairing. 450 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,040 You two worked together so well as Traitors, obviously - 451 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,480 we saw the result. 452 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,280 How do you think they're going to be able to work together 453 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:26,320 moving forward? 454 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:27,800 Well, I used to call him Doggy! 455 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,520 You're supposed to go woof now. 456 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,320 Oh, sorry. Woof. 457 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:35,640 Do you know what? I think they're going to work really well, 458 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,800 and I think it takes different characters. 459 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,040 Because if you have people that are too similar in there, 460 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,360 they both want the same thing, then you're going to get 461 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,360 maybe very competitive within the Turret, 462 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,240 and you don't need competition in that Turret. And I think... 463 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,280 I think Richard, yes, should definitely lean in 464 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,440 to that kind of crazy, "I'm enjoying myself. Listen, you know, 465 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,360 "I slipped up on the first day and I made a joke, 466 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,000 "it didn't go down well, I might as well just enjoy myself." 467 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,120 And that will help Maya, because that'll maybe take 468 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,520 a wee bit of distraction off her. 469 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,400 And I think she's a lot more strategic than what he is. Yes. 470 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,000 So I think that's a really nice pairing. 471 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Yeah, I would agree. 472 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,120 I think one of the reasons that we worked well together 473 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,360 is because we were very different in our approaches. 474 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,160 Rachel knew what she was doing. I didn't. 475 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,360 He was nice and I wasn't. 476 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,320 But I think that does seem to work well. 477 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:27,720 And I think yourself and Fiona 478 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,680 were two very kind of strong-minded women. 479 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,960 And I think that is why we had the fireworks we had, 480 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,520 I think, because you were both very similar 481 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,760 in your approach in the Turret. 482 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,600 And I think that can cause clashes. 483 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,320 I don't see that happening with Richard and Maya. No. 484 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:46,760 I think it's time we talk about the other players in the game. 485 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Many, many other brilliant players. 486 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,640 Who's standing out as favourites? 487 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,840 I think that Miranda's going to be brilliant. 488 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,160 So much fun to watch. I just think she'll be amazing. 489 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,920 Romesh and Rob are just a brilliant pairing anyway. 490 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Yes.They're going to be fantastic. 491 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,640 I mean, Michael Sheen, I obviously adore. 492 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,000 I can't wait to see him, you know, open up and go for it. 493 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,000 I've been on judging panels with him. 494 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,520 I come in absolutely clear about who I want to vote for. 495 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,880 He does his fantastic sort of Shakespearean soliloquy 496 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,520 and you go, "Whatever he said," you know? 497 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,560 So I just think he's going to be amazing around the Round Table. 498 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,400 There's some dark horses out there, and there's some smart people. 499 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,960 But I'm hoping that whilst there's a lot of them, 500 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,120 I can just become the curtains. 501 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,640 What about the rest of you? 502 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,280 I love Sebastian Croft. Love Bella Ramsey. 503 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,360 I think these people are maybe people 504 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,680 that we've not seen so much in, 505 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,040 like a kind of reality format capacity, 506 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,960 and it's going to be lovely to see them... 507 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,800 ..who they are as people. 508 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,880 And I'm just obsessed with James Blunt being in this game. 509 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,160 I think it's absolutely bonkers crazy. Yeah. 510 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,960 I've been a Traitor all my life. I'm the guy who tells everyone 511 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 that they're beautiful when they're really...they're not. 512 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,720 I'm concerned about the chafing, but I have greased my nipples. 513 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,800 Have you? Yeah. With what? 514 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,520 I ordered bread and butter this morning, 515 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,360 and I used the butter to grease my nipples. 516 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,400 Actually? Are you actually serious? And you didn't? 517 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,680 We kind of know what he's like in terms of like, 518 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,400 an online persona, but we've not really seen him, 519 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,680 like, in a big way on our screens in quite a while. 520 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,720 So, yeah, I cannot wait to see what energy he brings. 521 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,520 It feels like a lot of them have come flying out the gate 522 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,840 to play in the game. You said it already feels like 523 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,000 a sort of slightly different tone to your series. 524 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,680 Yeah. What do you mean by that? 525 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,760 Do you mean that they've come in hard to play the game very quickly? 526 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,280 When we went in we were just like... 527 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,560 # La, la, la, la, la, This is so fun 528 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,080 # Ooh, look at this in the castle. # 529 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,160 And then they've come in like... SERIOUS:.."This is the castle." 530 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,120 Yeah.Whereas we just were like. We just... 531 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,720 This is just a really fun game. This is just going to be brilliant. 532 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,520 And like, we just... it was very silly. 533 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,760 And I think this season is like, 534 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,440 "No, I'm going to find out who these Traitors are." 535 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,000 They probably saw our season and thought, 536 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,680 "We need to do a better job than the Faithfuls from that season." 537 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Those terrible Faithfuls! 538 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,640 We need to catch one within seven episodes. 539 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,760 They were just awful. We need to lock in now, everybody. 540 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,640 So I think that's why they're all kind of coming in on smoke. 541 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,880 Yeah.Whereas our season, it was just like, 542 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,240 "Maybe it's this one. I don't know, maybe it's them." 543 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,640 And then we would just get back to the Turret and go, 544 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,560 "They're never going to work out." 545 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,640 We were trying, Cat! 546 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,080 I don't know if you were. LAUGHTER 547 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:42,600 I promise you! I don't know if you were, Kate. I don't know. 548 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,880 Well, we've got Julie, who I think has come in to play the game hard. 549 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,720 Like, she's clearly a big fan of the game 550 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,840 and she is desperate to find Traitors. 551 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,520 I think the game starts the second you arrive. 552 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,920 It doesn't start when the Traitors are picked. 553 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,440 And Julie, I mean, instantly shaking people's hands. 554 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,240 "I'm a huge fan." I mean, I was almost in tears. 555 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,720 I was like, what a wonderful lady! 556 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,160 Nice to meet you. Julie. 557 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,440 Thank you! 558 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,920 Oh, my God! 559 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,240 Hello, Richard. Hi. Nice to meet you, I'm Julie. 560 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,040 I think she shook a couple of people's hands 561 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,400 and then realised she had to do it for everyone. 562 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,040 I would agree. Yeah. 563 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,120 "Massive fan of your work." 564 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,200 "And what was your name, sorry?" 565 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,240 "Hello, King Kenny. I'm a huge fan of your YouTube content." 566 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,440 LAUGHTER 567 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,680 Really, Julie?I love King Kenny. He's going to be great. 568 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,360 Isn't he brilliant? I mean, 569 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,280 obviously he's like massive online and also a professional boxer. 570 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,560 He says his competitiveness is going to help him through the game. 571 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Do you do you agree with that? 572 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,640 He's clued in, and he's also out for blood 573 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,640 because he wants to, you know, avenge Niko. 574 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,360 Yeah, yeah.And I don't know, you know, 575 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,400 because I've watched a lot of their videos as a group together, 576 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,200 and Kenny's always the worst liar. Like, he's never won. 577 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,360 They've played loads of games similar to this show 578 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,920 and he always loses, 579 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,400 and he's always out first because he's awful at lying. 580 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,960 That's good, because you'll believe him as a Faithful! 581 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,400 But that's why I think... No-one else knows that. 582 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,920 Whereas I think our season people knew of Niko 583 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,560 because he's done grand, crazy videos. Right. 584 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,040 But whereas Kenny may be able to fly under the radar 585 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,080 because people don't know him to be a bad liar or know his role 586 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:28,400 in the group that they're in. So I think watching him, I'm like, 587 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,200 if he was a Traitor, he would be quite bad at it 588 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,520 because he's not good at lying, 589 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,680 but I think that will actually help him. 590 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Well, it depends how much research people have done. 591 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,360 Yeah. Because they obviously knew 592 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,200 the line-up slightly before they went in.Yeah. 593 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,040 Maybe Richard E Grant has been on YouTube 594 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,600 looking at all of Kenny's content. 595 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,360 Maybe. Or maybe Kenny's content was pre-planned 596 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,280 because he knew he was going on the show, 597 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,120 and he wanted people to think he was a bad liar. 598 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,600 He knew years ago, and he's been planting this.Gosh, you're so good! 599 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,160 Gone back in a time machine and just thought, 600 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,680 "I'll kind of play this really badly, 601 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,880 "and then people will think I'm not good." 602 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,880 We've got Joanne. Of course, Joanne McNally, 603 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,360 who is one of the funniest comics on the planet.Oh, I love her. 604 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,280 I think she's absolutely amazing. She said she's used to lying 605 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,720 to people because she's on dating apps. 606 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,280 Phenomenal! Already I love her even more! 607 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,520 She's just savage. She's going to be one of the players 608 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,160 that'll go in and go, "I'll say whatever comes into my mouth 609 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,520 "and I don't give a hoot." 610 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,800 And even when she was ripping Romesh to shreds 611 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,240 around the pool table... 612 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,880 Such a good moment. 613 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,800 I just don't think you're a Traitor. 614 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,960 I just don't think you have it in you. 615 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Well, look, I'm not, but I could be if I wanted to be. 616 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,400 I don't think you could. I really could. 617 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,160 I just wouldn't, if I was Claudia, I wouldn't pick you. 618 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,440 Why? I just don't think she'd trust you with that job. 619 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,760 What does that mean? But why would she not trust me with that job? 620 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,840 I don't know. It's just a vibe, I guess. 621 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,640 So I trust you implicitly. 622 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,520 Well, what I'm getting from that is 623 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,840 you don't know what the word complicity means. 624 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,640 I think she's going to be really good. 625 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,600 I think she'll be devious and dangerous. 626 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,920 And she said she'll play it all down, but I don't know. 627 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,280 I don't know if she's too feisty to play it all down. 628 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,840 There's a lot of comedians in there. There's a big comedian contingent. 629 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,680 Do you think them having a sort of pre-established relationship 630 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,880 is going to help them in any way? 631 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,160 The more you know about people sometimes hinders your.... 632 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,720 You know, because you know what they're like 633 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,920 and you know if they're playing a part. Yeah. 634 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,280 So I think it might work to their disadvantage. 635 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,760 Well, like you say, Rob and Romesh, very, very good friends, 636 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,880 work together a lot and they've already checked in with each other 637 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,000 early doors. Let's remind ourselves of that moment. 638 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,200 Are you a Traitor? 639 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,440 No. Are you a Traitor? No. 640 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,640 That's not really resolved much, has it? 641 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,120 But I do think if you know someone that well, 642 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,480 I think that might be enough 643 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,040 for them to be securely Faithful in each other's eyes. 644 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,360 I do think there will come a point where they start to think, 645 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,000 surely one of them, surely? 646 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840 We've obviously got a few actors in the castle this time round. 647 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,200 We've got Myha'la, we've got Sharon. 648 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,720 How do we think they're going to fare in the game? 649 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,240 It's tough if you're an actor, isn't it? 650 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,640 Because everybody assumes you're brilliant at lying. 651 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,600 Yeah.You know? Michael even mentions it in the first episode. 652 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,000 You lie for a living. 653 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,040 But then, also, maybe one of the pluses is people don't really know 654 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,560 their personality as well as they maybe do some presenters 655 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,520 or comedians that kind of, like, their own personality merges into 656 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,480 things they might have seen. 657 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,480 So, in a way, if they play that well, then that could be 658 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,400 a big advantage, I think. 659 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,280 I thought, actually, it was really lovely, because Sharon was... 660 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,200 I think she's very disarming as a person. 661 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,600 I don't think she's going to come under much suspicion, 662 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,240 but I think she could run the risk of being one of those people 663 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680 that the Traitors look at as being too Faithful 664 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,760 and just get rid of her. 665 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,600 But, yeah, I think she had such a lovely energy in that first episode 666 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,200 and I'm excited to see what else she brings. 667 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,680 Also, it feels harsh to describe actors as liars, I think. 668 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,840 But everybody knows they inhabit the personality 669 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,400 of someone else convincingly. Yeah. 670 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,960 That's a better way of putting it. 671 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440 So, therefore, if they are a Traitor, and they're inhabiting 672 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,360 a Faithful convincingly, it might make you question that. Yeah. 673 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,840 Particularly if you've seen them in roles where, you know, 674 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560 they've been devious or something. You think, oh, gosh... 675 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,000 That's what I was going to say. 676 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,960 Sometimes it can also depend on the role you best know them for. 677 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,360 Yeah. 678 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,680 If you know them for playing a role of somebody who's really sweet 679 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920 and unassuming, or really vulnerable, 680 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,760 then you will assume they are that character, 681 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,480 which may actually work in their favour. 682 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,520 I actually find that actors are terrible liars. 683 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,680 I agree. 684 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,280 Are you lying now? 685 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,800 No! 686 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,880 My character on Industry is pretty hardcore, 687 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,680 double crossing whoever to succeed. 688 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,640 My strategy is get everyone to perceive me as like doe-eyed, 689 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,440 fun, and maybe a little naive. 690 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,840 The subliminal messaging has begun. 691 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,720 We've also got Sebastian, as well. 692 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,000 Everyone calls him Bash, by the way, that is his nickname. 693 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,440 So, how do we think he's going to fare? 694 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,080 Cos, obviously, he's an actor and a musician as well. 695 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,720 He said he's a massive fan of the show, 696 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,240 which he would like nobody to know. Yeah. 697 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,920 It's one of those games where you kind of have to fly under the radar 698 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,600 at the beginning. so, I'm hoping that the fact that I'm maybe 699 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,360 slightly less well known, or slightly younger 700 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,920 means people will have, like, less of an expectation from me. 701 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,320 And that is great. 702 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,720 It shows that he's got that calculating part in him that, 703 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,680 even though he's come across as extremely sweet 704 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,480 in this first episode and really, really lovely, 705 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,640 he does have...he's still very much in game mode, right? 706 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,360 He's not just like, "Dee, dee, dee." 707 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,000 He's still thinking like, "How do I play this so I've got the best 708 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,280 "chance of getting further ahead?" 709 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,880 I think that I made the mistake... 710 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,520 I remember walking in, and I would tell, like... I told David and Niko, 711 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,400 "I've watched every single season of every single show. 712 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,920 "I know everything about the show." 713 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,120 And I remember walking away going, 714 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,120 why on earth did I tell everybody that? 715 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,200 I should have just kept my mouth shut. Nobody needs to know that. 716 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,960 So, the fact that he's gone in and gone, 717 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,440 "I'm a massive fan, but I'm just going to act like I'm not, 718 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,360 "and I don't really know how it works," 719 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,000 I think just makes so much sense. 720 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,520 Someone else who's a big fan of the show, of course, is Miranda Hart. 721 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,600 How do we think Miranda's going to fare? 722 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,760 Because, can I just say, it's so exciting to see Miranda 723 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440 back on telly? It's been a while since we've seen her on something. 724 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,600 STEPHEN:It's been too long. 725 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,560 So, I mean, immediately, I'm back in. 726 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,480 I'm like, oh, great, Miranda's here. It feels like she's never been away. 727 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,800 But how do we think she's going to get on in the game? 728 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,680 This is what's frustrating that it's not viewer voting involved, 729 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,160 because I just think the viewers will just think, 730 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,320 "Oh, my God, we love you. You're so fabulous. 731 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,120 "You're so funny. We don't want you to go." 732 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,200 And then you think, oh, but I don't know how she'll be at the game. 733 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,400 You know, because she is so lovely. 734 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,160 I think... But that can that can be a massive advantage, being totally 735 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,200 lovable and warm...Well, everybody wants her around, don't they? 736 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,840 Yeah. ..And people want her around, yeah. 737 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,600 I think her social game will be really strong. Yeah. 738 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,840 Like, she's a powerful presence. 739 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120 And her one-liners just crack me up. 740 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,680 I absolutely believe I'm a psychological sleuth. 741 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,880 Miss Marple's in the house. 742 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,200 I was like, "You're actually on the train to doing your first mission. 743 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,640 "Focus, Miranda." 744 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,040 I felt very excited. 745 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,040 And desperate for a wee. 746 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,000 You're in an environment which is completely alien to you. 747 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,840 Having people in there that keep you kind of sane and, at least, 748 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,840 you know, you want to see every day, 749 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,720 I think that can influence your decision making 750 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,320 at the Round Table as well. 751 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,680 So, if she's got a really good social game, 752 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,640 you know, it could work in her favour. 753 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,120 Well, we've touched on the suspicion on Richard already, of course. 754 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,720 It's hard not to! It's hard not to. 755 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,160 But there are other players with other suspicions already. 756 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200 You got the hat. 757 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,880 Yeah, yeah. Well, talking of the hat... 758 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,640 ..killed in plain sight? 759 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,320 {\an8}Do you think? By who? Wait, what? 760 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,720 {\an8}By Bella. 761 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,240 {\an8}Interesting. No. 762 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,760 {\an8}Just had my arm rubbed. 763 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,680 {\an8}It's so cold. Just rubbed me on the arm. 764 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,080 {\an8}Who did? Leigh-Anne. 765 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,120 {\an8}Came up and rubbed you? Rubbed me on the arm. 766 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,560 {\an8}I'm just going to go and ask her. 767 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,360 {\an8}What...? Fight! Fight! Fight! 768 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,120 {\an8}Did you just rub me on the arm like that cos you were cold? 769 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,120 {\an8}Oh, my gosh. What? 770 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,800 {\an8}Calm down! 771 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,680 {\an8}I'm so paranoid. Stop! No! 772 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,640 {\an8}Everyone is so paranoid. I literally went like this, "I'm cold." 773 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,040 {\an8}I'm so paranoid. Can you not get it? Can you not get it? 774 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,880 {\an8}It's going to be more than a rub on the shoulder. 775 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,360 {\an8}No, it can't. It could just be that. 776 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,760 {\an8}Oh, don't. 777 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,960 Poor Ross. 778 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,120 Look, obviously, the Richard thing is huge in this episode, 779 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,240 but that is my favourite thing that happened in this episode. 780 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,560 They should have just murdered him. 781 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,760 I need him to stay in for as long as possible. 782 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,240 So do I. I love that man. 783 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,040 That is going.... If he's like that on the daily... 784 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,400 Yeah! 785 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400 ..oh, it's going to be absolute comedy gold, isn't it? 786 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,840 The hat thing was funny. 787 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,600 I kind of get that one with the hat on the head, 788 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,160 because that would be a funny way to murder someone in plain sight. 789 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,800 As soon as he gets rubbed on the arm, and then he turns around, 790 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,280 and you know exactly what's happened in his head again, 791 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,080 it's phenomenal television.Yeah. 792 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,520 I think we're going to see him sitting in a single chair 793 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,880 by himself, rocking back and forth, for the remainder of the series, 794 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,840 terrified of anyone approaching him. 795 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,280 "Don't touch me." "Don't touch me." 796 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,560 Anyone doing anything to him.Yeah. Looking at him, referencing him. 797 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,520 Yeah, breathing."Morning, Ross." "Good morning, Ross." 798 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,000 "What do you mean, good morning?! 799 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,760 "You just killed me?!" THEY LAUGH 800 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,760 Because, obviously, I understand that paranoia.Yeah, totally. 801 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,160 And you understand it from a Faithful perspective. 802 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,320 The rest of you will not understand that paranoia, 803 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,520 cos you never had to have it. 804 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,760 No, but I think he needs to be very careful, 805 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,680 because, as a Traitor, if you're seeing Ross behave like this, 806 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:27,240 pointing fingers at people who are doing anything, 807 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,880 as a Traitor, you say, 808 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440 "Well, let's just murder him because he's accused Leigh-Anne, 809 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,040 "he's accused Bella." 810 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,480 I think he's got to be careful, and try and just pull it together. 811 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,600 Yeah.You know? 812 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,840 I mean, I'd follow him around just quoting Shakespeare 813 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,720 and pouring him fizzy rose. 814 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,800 I'd just do all the things. Touching his face. 815 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,760 Yeah, touching his face all the time.Rubbing his head. 816 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,120 "Hi, Ross. How are you doing?" 817 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,680 "Great back rub, Ross." 818 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,400 There's also quite a lot of suspicion around Julie and Joe 819 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,360 getting the Shields in the chapel at the start of the episode. 820 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,720 Cat, what do you make to that start of the series? 821 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,400 I think it was quite a sweet one. 822 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,680 It's kind of similar to ours 823 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,960 where you had to sort of dig for the Shield. 824 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,080 I think it just is a way to sort of help start everything off. 825 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,200 But I think if that was me, I would have been like, 826 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,480 "I just think they got the Shields, guys." 827 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,200 The big question, who's getting this? 828 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,800 I am going to give the Shield to the person who very, very desperately 829 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,280 did not want me to end up in the coffin, 830 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,920 Joe Lycett. 831 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,720 Joe Lycett, come up here. 832 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,200 Thank you, Julie. 833 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,600 I think with Julie, though, it was quite an interesting call 834 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,280 on her thinking. 835 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,880 I thought, ooh. Because there were two options, weren't there? 836 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,840 She could have either been re... 837 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,840 "See, I'm really sweet, I'm a team player" - 838 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,120 cos, remember, the Traitors hadn't been picked at this point - 839 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,920 and given it away. But she didn't. 840 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,600 She thought, "No, I'm definitely keeping one for myself." 841 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,840 I thought that was a nice move. Yeah. I thought that was good. 842 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,960 I kind of thought, OK, that feels like quite solid decision making - 843 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,040 not overgenerous, cos you are scared for yourself - 844 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,600 but also nice. 845 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,320 We have learnt over the years, though, that it's rare 846 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,960 that something good happens in Traitors without consequences 847 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,400 further on down the line. 848 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,280 Rachel, do we think there is something more to it 849 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,480 with these Shields? 850 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,800 Do you think there is going to be a consequence later on down the line? 851 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,080 No. 852 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,560 I think they're overthinking it. 853 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,240 I think, like Cat said, paranoia exists as soon as 854 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,120 you sit your bum in the pew. 855 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,440 And by giving them something to ruminate on, 856 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,920 you're kind of just feeding into the paranoia. 857 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,160 It was just an opening. It's two Shields. 858 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,280 It's shielding the most trustworthy player. 859 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,240 And I don't think there's anything else. 860 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,280 But when you're in there, you're obviously going to think 861 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,000 there's 1,500 things attached to that. Well, that's it. 862 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,560 Like, we're obviously sitting in the safety of Ed's dank basement, right? 863 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,000 But when you're in the castle... Yeah. 864 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,600 ..anything that happens is a potential suspicious activity. 865 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,080 And I think they probably believe that the game started the second 866 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,840 they walked into that chapel, and that something must be afoot. 867 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,120 You know? 868 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,480 And then she gave the other Shield to Joe, because Joe was worried 869 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,240 about what would happen if they voted her most trustworthy. 870 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,240 I love that when Joe said, "But what's going to happen to Julie? 871 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,760 "Could she be murdered?" 872 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,720 Romesh goes, "Win-win." 873 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,320 Win-win, yeah! 874 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,640 I think that was strategic by Joe. 875 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,520 You think? Do you?Yeah. 876 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,160 Would you not have done that? 877 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,400 Like, if someone's saying there's the most trustworthy, 878 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,040 and that's a consensus that this person is a really lovely person, 879 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,720 and then you could go, "I could stick up for them here." 880 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,120 And he obviously benefited from that decision. 881 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,560 No... I think that was strategic. Do you? 882 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,640 I think you're just more strategic than everyone here. 883 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,480 I was going to say... I don't know Joe, 884 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,480 but I would just be thinking, that's the perfect time to kind of 885 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,480 cement going, "We'll look after her." Yeah. 886 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,200 We played two very different games. 887 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,080 THEY LAUGH 888 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960 Finally, we've got to talk about that mission. 889 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,680 What a way to start the series. 890 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:50,360 Ross and James Blunt obviously led the charge from the start. 891 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,640 Let's have a little reminder. 892 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,840 Four teams of five people each! Four teams. 893 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,360 Two teams over that side! 894 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,640 {\an8}I'd suggest a near team and a far team. 895 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,400 {\an8}Tallest, go far! 896 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,400 {\an8}Shortest, go close! 897 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,200 {\an8}Bella, shortest go this way. 898 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560 I loved it. I don't think there's ever been such a clear hierarchy 899 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,880 of missions at the start of a series.No. 900 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,920 And I particularly enjoyed James Blunt going, 901 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,520 "I suggest this..." 902 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,840 He was not suggesting. No, he was telling them. 903 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,720 It was proper army officer stuff, wasn't it? 904 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,400 I will gently and politely suggest in a public school boy way 905 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,600 that you do exactly what I say, thank you very much. 906 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,200 Rachel, did anyone else stand out to you in this mission? 907 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:31,920 I thought Sebastian was very good. 908 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,840 I thought there was a lot to be said for people that stand back 909 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,520 and observe, because it's not always the loudest people 910 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,080 who are the best players. 911 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,360 So, I liked when people were standing back, 912 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,520 observing, chipping in and being team players. 913 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,720 And I think that's going to stand by those people a lot more than, 914 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,640 "Oh, here comes bossy boots again." 915 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,880 You know, "They're going to tell us what to do." 916 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,440 I think you really, really need to be... In a fractured team, 917 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,880 you need to be a team player. 918 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,080 So, I thought actually a lot of the younger ones were really, 919 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,480 really strong in that one. 920 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,600 I absolutely loved Jerry Hall with the crowbar. 921 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,920 Amazing. 922 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,240 Sounds like I'm playing... ..is it Cluedo? 923 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,600 Jerry Hall with the crowbar by the loch. 924 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,760 But just, like, "Give me that box!" 925 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,160 And then straight in and... Yeah.Yeah. 926 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,920 We've already had, like, a series worth of quotes from Jerry Hall. 927 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,880 In Texas, we are pretty good with our tools, 928 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,880 so I knew all the techniques. 929 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,480 Beneath this dumb blonde lies a smart brunette. 930 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,360 Do we have to share that, presumably, with the group? 931 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,800 But then it's... 932 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,120 Share what? 933 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,040 Did you not hear what he said? He said he was a Traitor. 934 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,240 You will all bear witness to what just happened, 935 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,800 that he said he was a Traitor. I know. 936 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,440 But he wanted to be a Traitor so bad, so he's obviously not... 937 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,400 Phenomenal. 938 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,320 Obviously, a successful mission can help massively with team morale. 939 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,920 Cat, how will the fact that they won all the money for the charity 940 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,880 impact them as a group going forward? 941 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,200 Probably, they just now know that they can work well 942 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,720 as a team together. 943 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,280 Like, as much as James and Ross were really like, erm... 944 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,040 ..intense. Yeah. 945 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,040 For that type of mission, you kind of needed that. 946 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,680 You kind of needed just someone to just be like, "What do we do?" 947 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,320 Cos there's, like, boxes everywhere. Yeah. 948 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,360 I would have just been like, "I don't really know where to start." 949 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,320 So, having someone just say, "Just go there and go there," 950 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,760 is quite helpful. Yeah. 951 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,120 And I think them seeing that, OK, this has actually won us 952 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,200 quite a bit of money as a first mission, they're probably like, 953 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:22,960 OK, let us know that we now can work really well as a team. 954 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,760 So, then, moving forward, we can just put people forward 955 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,120 whose strengths lie in whatever the mission may be, I think. 956 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,360 Obviously, Hannah's analytical skills came into play, as well. 957 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,960 Guys, guys, guys. Do it systematically, or you'll miss one. 958 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,920 I'm not the strongest, I'm not the fastest, 959 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,280 but I am...I am a numbers gal. 960 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,880 You shout them out what they can be, then. OK. Come on. 961 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,480 185. Now do 158. 962 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,840 You got it! 963 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,480 Well, we've done it. We've got the money. 964 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,200 Do we think her analytical skills will be seen by the other players 965 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,840 as a benefit, or do you think they might come back to bite her? 966 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,080 No, I think it's got to be a benefit, hasn't it? 967 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,360 Benefit to the Faith... 968 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,680 I think the Faithful will look at her and think that's a real benefit. 969 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:01,960 Yeah.Yeah. 970 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,600 I think the Traitors would be shaking in their boots. 971 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,280 As the game goes on, they might think, 972 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,000 "She's a bit too clued in for us." 973 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,080 But that could work for her disadvantage for the Faithfuls, too. 974 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,600 Yeah, you're right. 975 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,640 Because when someone can play five moves ahead, 976 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,960 and is good at chess, and is good at kind of numbers and figuring out 977 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,360 the votes and how the table is made up, 978 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,640 they might think, "Could be your one here as well." 979 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,720 Now, before we go, I've got something special for you. 980 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,840 If you love the players' one-to-one chats with Claudia, 981 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,920 and wish you could hear more of them, 982 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,840 then you'll be pleased to know that Traitor Or Faithful? Claudia Decides 983 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,520 is available exclusively on iPlayer now. 984 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,760 There you'll be able to see even more from those conversations, 985 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,440 including whether they would ideally like to play the game 986 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,480 as a Traitor or a Faithful. 987 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,680 Here's a sneak peek of James Acaster, 988 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:50,880 who by the next episode, 989 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,880 will either be murdered or recruited as a Traitor. 990 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,960 {\an8}Are you already looking at people thinking, 991 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,040 "Oh, yeah, they'd probably be Faithful. 992 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,640 "They'd probably be a Traitor?" 993 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,440 Yeah. I, like... 994 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,280 I look at Richard, and think... 995 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000 ..that man is gasping to be a Traitor. 996 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,320 Absolutely. 997 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,320 Your friends and family, who love you and know you the most, 998 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,080 when you said, "I'm going in," 999 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,240 what were their words of advice? 1000 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,000 My friend, Ed Gamble, said... 1001 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,720 .."I'll see you in two days." CLAUDIA LAUGHS 1002 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,160 Genuinely what I said - "See you in two days." 1003 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600 So, you can imagine me seeing the end of episode one. 1004 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,160 Oh! No! 1005 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,120 Feeling super guilty! 1006 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,960 No, I feel absolutely made up with myself. 1007 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,480 THEY LAUGH 1008 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,120 Well, we've run out of time here, 1009 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,320 But don't worry, the chat continues on BBC Sounds 1010 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,520 in our extra bonus episode. 1011 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,160 We're going to look ahead to the series, and make some predictions 1012 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,800 about the players, and who could go all the way. 1013 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,000 It's all in the bonus episode of the Celebrity Traitors: Uncloaked. 1014 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,000 Listen only on BBC Sounds. 1015 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,120 You can scan the QR code on screen to go straight to it. 1016 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,360 We'll be back again tomorrow night after episode two, 1017 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,760 where I'll be joined by our first murdered player - 1018 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,680 whoever the coffin lid closes on. 1019 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,000 We'll also have celebrity Faithful Tameka Empson, 1020 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,560 Harriet from series four, 1021 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,600 and joint-winner Jake from series three here on the sofa 1022 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,840 to unpack all the latest goings-on from the castle. 1023 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,040 A massive thanks to Kate, Cat, Stephen and Rachel for joining me 1024 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,480 on the first episode of the Celebrity Traitors: Uncloaked 1025 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,600 of series two. 1026 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,880 I'm Ed Gamble. 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