1 00:00:01,467 --> 00:00:03,700 [Robert] A 16-year-old girl is missing, 2 00:00:03,700 --> 00:00:05,667 and Bigfoot might be to blame. 3 00:00:05,667 --> 00:00:08,767 The fact that Bigfoot is a suspect 4 00:00:08,767 --> 00:00:11,967 in a missing person's case, 5 00:00:11,967 --> 00:00:13,367 blows my mind. 6 00:00:13,367 --> 00:00:15,300 [woman] She's just happy, simple. 7 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:17,367 If someone wanted to manipulate her, they probably could. 8 00:00:17,367 --> 00:00:18,200 Very trusting? 9 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,500 -[woman] Very trusting. -Okay. 10 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:22,000 [Robert] There is no answer 11 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,200 to really what happened to Theresa that day. 12 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,600 [man] If you guys are going to go deeper into this, 13 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,934 it's gonna get weird. 14 00:00:28,934 --> 00:00:32,367 What were your thoughts when you heard that Theresa went missing? 15 00:00:32,367 --> 00:00:34,667 That son of a bitch killed her. 16 00:00:34,667 --> 00:00:37,066 [Jessica] Who was the real Skip? 17 00:00:37,066 --> 00:00:39,000 [woman] I know my dad didn't hurt her at all. 18 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,166 I know he was only trying to help her, 19 00:00:40,166 --> 00:00:41,867 and it just went bad, somehow. 20 00:00:41,867 --> 00:00:44,367 Theresa Bier is one of the possible victims 21 00:00:44,367 --> 00:00:45,266 of the Speed Freak Killers. 22 00:00:45,266 --> 00:00:46,266 [Jessica] Wait. What? 23 00:00:46,266 --> 00:00:48,367 [Robert] Why is Theresa's name 24 00:00:48,367 --> 00:00:51,600 on this Speed Freak Killers' list? 25 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,266 That's what we have to find out. 26 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,467 [theme music playing] 27 00:01:16,266 --> 00:01:18,567 [eerie music playing] 28 00:01:29,300 --> 00:01:33,200 Theresa's name shows up as a person 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,967 that might have been a victim of the Speed Freak Killers. 30 00:01:36,967 --> 00:01:38,567 At this point in the investigation, 31 00:01:38,567 --> 00:01:40,767 looking at Theresa Bier's disappearance, 32 00:01:40,767 --> 00:01:44,100 it's really hard to know what to believe. 33 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:46,967 That's why it's important we sit down with Rob Dick. 34 00:01:46,967 --> 00:01:49,967 He's the private investigator that has put Theresa's name 35 00:01:49,967 --> 00:01:53,166 on a list of potential victims of the Speed Freak Killers. 36 00:01:53,166 --> 00:01:55,000 And I wanna know why. 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,500 Have you ever talked with these guys about the Theresa Bier case? 38 00:01:58,500 --> 00:02:01,500 Yeah, I actually have a recording of Shermantine, one of the two. 39 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,400 Can we listen? Can we hear it? 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,767 Yeah, I can play. 41 00:02:04,767 --> 00:02:06,600 [Robert] We've gone down so many avenues 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,200 looking for some kind of justice for Theresa Bier. 43 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,567 So many different twists and turns, 44 00:02:11,567 --> 00:02:13,100 it's taken us everywhere. 45 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:17,800 But the Speed Freak Killers is the biggest curveball that we did not expect. 46 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,000 It is mind blowing. 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,100 And Rob Dick agreed to provide a recording. 48 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:25,900 When he spoke to Shermantine, he recorded an interview with him. 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,367 [Shermantine laughing] 50 00:03:20,767 --> 00:03:21,867 I mean, that's somethin'. 51 00:03:21,867 --> 00:03:23,000 -[Robert] Yeah. -Yeah. 52 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,100 [Robert] That's interesting. That's really interesting. 53 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:27,567 It's, kind of, surreal when you hear... 54 00:03:27,567 --> 00:03:30,700 -hear the voice of a... murder suspect or murderer. -Uh, yeah. 55 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:33,000 It just, kind of, shakes you to your core a little bit. 56 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,100 Yeah. 57 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:36,500 Considering how many people Shermantine has killed, 58 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:40,567 it was legitimately unnerving to hear his voice over the phone. 59 00:03:40,567 --> 00:03:44,400 He turned it around and pointed the finger back at Skip. 60 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,567 But how can you believe a serial killer? 61 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:51,367 [eerie music playing] 62 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,867 [Robert] Rob Dick playing that recording, 63 00:04:03,166 --> 00:04:04,567 it sent chills down my spine. 64 00:04:05,967 --> 00:04:08,467 But you learned, basically, where they operated. 65 00:04:08,467 --> 00:04:11,066 It seemed like it stretched from Northern California 66 00:04:11,066 --> 00:04:13,767 -down to LA and out to Utah. - [Jessica] Yeah. 67 00:04:13,767 --> 00:04:15,767 [Robert] That was big. I never knew that. 68 00:04:15,767 --> 00:04:17,367 -The time... -[Robert] Mmm-hmm. 69 00:04:17,367 --> 00:04:18,567 -...the place... -[Robert] Right. 70 00:04:18,567 --> 00:04:19,767 ...it all lines up. 71 00:04:19,767 --> 00:04:22,867 This could be a real possibility 72 00:04:22,867 --> 00:04:25,066 that the Speed Freak Killers were involved. 73 00:04:31,867 --> 00:04:34,367 [suspenseful music playing] 74 00:04:41,567 --> 00:04:43,100 [Jessica] I gotta tell ya, 75 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:46,767 all of these deep conversations and talking to serial killers, 76 00:04:46,767 --> 00:04:50,000 I am in need of a beer... 77 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 -[Robert] That sounds good. -...badly. 78 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,100 [Robert] It's just heavy. 79 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:54,667 I mean, it's just... It weighs on me 80 00:04:54,667 --> 00:04:55,500 -just like you. -[Jessica] Yeah. 81 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:58,834 [suspenseful music continues playing] 82 00:05:01,367 --> 00:05:02,500 [Jessica] All right, here we go. 83 00:05:07,900 --> 00:05:09,767 [indistinct] 84 00:05:09,767 --> 00:05:11,000 -There you go. -Thank you, ma'am. 85 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,066 Very good. Thank you. You wanna play some pool? 86 00:05:13,066 --> 00:05:14,500 [Robert] Yeah. Let's do it. 87 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:16,600 So where do you think we're at right now? 88 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,467 Well, I figured... Speed Freak Killers could also be a possibility. 89 00:05:20,467 --> 00:05:23,500 They were active around that time and... 90 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:25,066 potentially in this area. 91 00:05:25,066 --> 00:05:26,767 [Robert] It is a possibility. 92 00:05:26,767 --> 00:05:28,000 You know what? She might have ran off... 93 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,266 -I'm not... I'm-- -...right out to the road, 94 00:05:29,266 --> 00:05:31,467 and these guys were on these back roads. 95 00:05:31,467 --> 00:05:34,967 I think it's a real, real, real slim chance 96 00:05:35,467 --> 00:05:36,767 that she ran into them. 97 00:05:36,767 --> 00:05:38,367 I'm still leaning towards Skip. 98 00:05:38,367 --> 00:05:39,500 [Robert] I feel the same way. 99 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:42,867 -I still fall back to Skip as the main suspect. -Yeah. 100 00:05:42,867 --> 00:05:44,467 [Robert] It would have been a hell of a coincidence 101 00:05:44,467 --> 00:05:47,000 if Speed Freak Killers were down here in this area 102 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,700 when Theresa was up there in the mountains. 103 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:51,166 You can never rule out anything, 104 00:05:51,166 --> 00:05:52,667 but as an investigator, 105 00:05:52,667 --> 00:05:55,467 I always go back to the person she was last seen with, 106 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:57,000 and that is Skip. 107 00:05:59,367 --> 00:06:00,400 [sighing] Okay. 108 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:07,000 [Robert] Going over the police report here. 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,266 Check this out. It says right here, 110 00:06:08,266 --> 00:06:11,400 "At 0900 hours, I received a phone call from James Welch, 111 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,100 which is the nephew of Skip." 112 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:15,066 He stated that he told Skip 113 00:06:15,066 --> 00:06:17,367 that he knew that the girl was dead. 114 00:06:18,467 --> 00:06:20,066 [sinister music playing] 115 00:06:21,166 --> 00:06:23,467 [Robert] To this, Skip responded back, 116 00:06:23,467 --> 00:06:26,467 "You're [bleep] things up." 117 00:06:26,467 --> 00:06:29,967 More and more I look at this investigation and I read through the report, 118 00:06:29,967 --> 00:06:32,166 I mean, I'm seeing some wild statements 119 00:06:32,166 --> 00:06:33,367 from James Welch. 120 00:06:33,367 --> 00:06:34,767 You know what? 121 00:06:34,767 --> 00:06:36,767 -Give him a ring. -[Robert] I'm gonna go outside and give him a call. 122 00:06:38,166 --> 00:06:40,367 [cell phone ringing] 123 00:06:40,367 --> 00:06:42,567 [Robert] I am really interested in talking to James Welch, 124 00:06:42,567 --> 00:06:45,400 because it seemed like he really knew what was going on with Skip. 125 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,967 He said some pretty compelling things in the police report 126 00:06:47,967 --> 00:06:49,367 when he was interviewed. 127 00:06:49,367 --> 00:06:50,900 He knew something about Skip 128 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:53,467 and I really wanna know what he knew. 129 00:06:53,467 --> 00:06:55,000 [cell phone ringing] 130 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,166 [James speaking] 131 00:06:57,166 --> 00:06:58,166 [Robert] Hello, James. 132 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,467 [James speaking] 133 00:06:59,467 --> 00:07:00,667 Hi, this is Robert Collier. 134 00:07:00,667 --> 00:07:01,800 I'm, uh... 135 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:02,867 with Jessica Chobot here. 136 00:07:02,867 --> 00:07:05,400 We're reinvestigating the Theresa Bier case. 137 00:07:06,066 --> 00:07:07,300 [James speaking] 138 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:10,467 Robert Collier, uh, reinvestigating the Theresa Bier case. 139 00:07:10,867 --> 00:07:13,767 [James speaking] 140 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:16,100 [Robert] We're just .opening this case, and we're taking a look at it. 141 00:07:17,066 --> 00:07:19,667 Looking into all the leads. 142 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:23,266 I was wondering if we can speak to you about that 143 00:07:23,266 --> 00:07:25,967 and meet with you and sit down and talk about it. 144 00:07:25,967 --> 00:07:27,467 -[James speaking] -Yeah? 145 00:07:27,967 --> 00:07:28,867 [James speaking] 146 00:07:34,166 --> 00:07:36,867 Well, of course it is. But I think you can really, uh... 147 00:07:36,867 --> 00:07:38,200 you know, help us out here. 148 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,300 I think it's very important that we hear your side of the story. 149 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:45,000 [James speaking] 150 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,467 [line disconnects] 151 00:07:50,567 --> 00:07:52,100 [indistinct chatter] 152 00:07:53,767 --> 00:07:55,667 -[Robert] Jess. -[Jessica] Hey. Hey. 153 00:07:56,567 --> 00:07:57,700 Yeah, I got a hold of him, 154 00:07:57,700 --> 00:07:59,967 and he doesn't want anything to do with this. 155 00:07:59,967 --> 00:08:01,700 But I'm not giving up on James Welch. 156 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:03,467 I think he's very important to this case. 157 00:08:03,467 --> 00:08:04,467 Yeah. 158 00:08:04,467 --> 00:08:06,967 [Robert] We tried to call James Welch once, 159 00:08:06,967 --> 00:08:08,567 and that was a no-go. 160 00:08:08,567 --> 00:08:10,900 And now, I'm just gonna keep on trying him 161 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:12,166 until he wants to talk. 162 00:08:13,367 --> 00:08:15,600 Before we go, I wanna tell you I was looking at videos 163 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,000 that people covered about the case, 164 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,467 and I found this YouTube video. 165 00:08:20,467 --> 00:08:21,700 So this is Devon Welch. 166 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:25,500 She is the great niece of Skip. 167 00:08:26,066 --> 00:08:28,200 A couple of years ago, 168 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,967 my dad decides to go ahead and lay out all the dirty laundry 169 00:08:31,967 --> 00:08:33,300 of our family's past. 170 00:08:33,300 --> 00:08:37,166 And one of them was that I am related to Russell "Skip" Welch. 171 00:08:37,166 --> 00:08:40,300 He is my great uncle on my father's side. 172 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:44,367 So she's under the impression that Theresa got killed, somehow. 173 00:08:44,367 --> 00:08:45,867 He freaks out, 174 00:08:45,867 --> 00:08:48,967 drives to his mom's house immediately afterward, 175 00:08:48,967 --> 00:08:51,400 and then hides out there. 176 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,100 Devon's video was eye opening and insightful. 177 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:56,266 I mean, she is definitely somebody 178 00:08:56,266 --> 00:08:58,867 that I wanna talk to right away. 179 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:01,567 So why don't we head out 180 00:09:01,567 --> 00:09:03,900 -and then I'll give her a call while we're on the road? -Yeah, sounds good. 181 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:05,266 -All right. -Let's do it. 182 00:09:05,266 --> 00:09:07,400 Devon seems like a really important witness 183 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,367 because she's part of the family, 184 00:09:09,367 --> 00:09:11,266 and so she has maybe family stories 185 00:09:11,266 --> 00:09:12,967 and things that she can share with us. 186 00:09:12,967 --> 00:09:16,567 She's also young enough and far-removed enough 187 00:09:16,567 --> 00:09:20,667 that she's able to look at it from a very distinctive, unique point of view. 188 00:09:20,667 --> 00:09:24,367 Her emotions aren't mixed up, necessarily, 189 00:09:24,367 --> 00:09:25,967 in what happened. 190 00:09:25,967 --> 00:09:28,567 [suspenseful music playing] 191 00:09:31,967 --> 00:09:33,266 All right. I'm gonna give Devon a call. 192 00:09:33,266 --> 00:09:35,100 -[Robert] Okay. -[cell phone ringing] 193 00:09:36,467 --> 00:09:38,467 [cell phone ringing] 194 00:09:38,467 --> 00:09:40,500 -[Jessica] Hi. Is this Devon? -[Devon speaking] 195 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:42,667 Hi, Devon. My name is Jessica Chobot. 196 00:09:42,667 --> 00:09:43,767 I'm with Robert Collier. 197 00:09:43,767 --> 00:09:46,600 We're reinvestigating the Theresa Bier case, 198 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,266 and we wanted to ask you some questions about the family, actually. 199 00:09:50,266 --> 00:09:51,667 [Devon speaking] 200 00:09:51,667 --> 00:09:53,567 [Jessica] Awesome. You know what? 201 00:09:53,567 --> 00:09:54,867 Just pull over. Pull over and park, 202 00:09:54,867 --> 00:09:57,066 -and that way I can just sit. -[Robert] Okay. 203 00:09:57,066 --> 00:10:00,100 [Jessica] Perfect, Um, I saw your video on YouTube 204 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,567 talking about how you were related to Skip, 205 00:10:02,567 --> 00:10:04,000 and I just wanted to know 206 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,700 what got you involved in doing the researching of this particular case. 207 00:10:09,667 --> 00:10:11,166 [Devon speaking] 208 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,000 Mmm-hmm. 209 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,266 [Devon speaking] 210 00:10:27,367 --> 00:10:29,266 [Jessica] So knowing that, what were some of the highlights 211 00:10:29,266 --> 00:10:32,066 that you thought were important in regards to the case? 212 00:10:32,567 --> 00:10:34,000 [Devon] Uh... 213 00:10:36,467 --> 00:10:38,567 [eerie music playing] 214 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:42,400 [Devon speaking] 215 00:11:31,367 --> 00:11:32,800 Got it. Okay. 216 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:35,300 [Devon speaking] 217 00:11:45,166 --> 00:11:48,367 -Oh, my God. -That's huge. 218 00:11:48,367 --> 00:11:49,367 [Robert] That's incredible. 219 00:11:49,367 --> 00:11:50,667 That's huge. 220 00:11:50,667 --> 00:11:52,367 Is it your theory that... 221 00:11:52,367 --> 00:11:55,400 there's the potential that Theresa's buried in that yard somewhere? 222 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:57,667 [Devon speaking] 223 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,800 -[Jessica] Oh, my God. -Wow. 224 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:06,700 [eerie music playing] 225 00:12:15,867 --> 00:12:17,333 [Jessica] Is it your theory that... 226 00:12:17,333 --> 00:12:21,066 there's the potential that Theresa's buried in that backyard somewhere? 227 00:12:21,066 --> 00:12:23,600 [Devon speaking] 228 00:12:26,066 --> 00:12:27,166 -[Robert] I know, right? -[mouthing] Oh, my God. 229 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:30,800 -That's huge -That's incredible. 230 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,166 [Jessica] That's huge. 231 00:12:33,967 --> 00:12:37,567 What Devon told me shocked me to my core. 232 00:12:37,567 --> 00:12:39,567 Theresa's body has never been found. 233 00:12:39,567 --> 00:12:42,567 Could Skip have taken Theresa's body 234 00:12:42,567 --> 00:12:45,200 and buried her at his mom's house? 235 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,400 Do you happen to know in your research then, 236 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,467 did the police ever search that yard or that house? 237 00:12:51,467 --> 00:12:54,867 [Devon speaking] 238 00:12:54,867 --> 00:12:56,200 [Jessica] That's the first time 239 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,500 that we've ever heard anything about that yard. 240 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:02,767 I mean, that could, potentially, solve the case 241 00:13:02,767 --> 00:13:04,367 if we could find a body. 242 00:13:04,367 --> 00:13:05,467 Devon, thank you 243 00:13:05,467 --> 00:13:07,567 because we have truly not heard 244 00:13:07,567 --> 00:13:09,166 -one person mention this at all. -[Robert] Yeah. 245 00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:11,300 You are the absolute first person. 246 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:13,667 And the fact that they haven't found her body, 247 00:13:13,667 --> 00:13:14,934 and that's, kind of, the only thing 248 00:13:14,934 --> 00:13:17,600 -that kept Skip from going to prison for this. -[Robert] Yeah. 249 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,500 [Devon speaking] 250 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:36,800 [Jessica] This is incredibly helpful. 251 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,300 -[Robert] Incredibly. -Thank you so much for sharing that information. 252 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:41,767 We're gonna see if we can go out to the house 253 00:13:41,767 --> 00:13:44,100 and search it one way or the other... 254 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:45,867 -Yeah. -...and possibly find Theresa 255 00:13:45,867 --> 00:13:47,467 and any other additional clues. 256 00:13:47,467 --> 00:13:48,300 We'll let you know. 257 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:50,100 -Thank you, Devon. -[Devon speaking] 258 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:51,400 -[Jessica] Thanks. Bye-bye. -[Robert] Take care. 259 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,867 Oh, my God. Are you serious? 260 00:13:54,867 --> 00:13:56,567 She might be buried there. 261 00:13:56,567 --> 00:13:58,033 She might be. 262 00:13:59,467 --> 00:14:02,667 [Jessica] This is a nearly 40-year-old mystery at this point, 263 00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:06,567 and we have had the odds against us from the start. 264 00:14:06,567 --> 00:14:07,867 Suspects have died, 265 00:14:07,867 --> 00:14:10,367 clues have dried up, trail's gone cold. 266 00:14:10,367 --> 00:14:13,467 Sometimes, you just need a stroke of luck, 267 00:14:13,467 --> 00:14:15,367 and I think we just got it. 268 00:14:15,367 --> 00:14:17,567 Okay. Here it is. Here we go. 269 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:20,166 There's the house. 270 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:22,233 It just looks like a nice, 271 00:14:22,233 --> 00:14:24,367 -normal, suburban house. -[Robert] Normal, suburban house, yeah. 272 00:14:24,367 --> 00:14:25,500 -[Jessica] Yeah. -[Robert] You know what? 273 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:27,567 We get a dog out there, search the whole damn property. 274 00:14:27,567 --> 00:14:28,700 Yeah. No, I agree. 275 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:30,100 Okay. So here's the thing, though. 276 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:34,100 I want a cadaver dog, canine search out there at his mom's old home, 277 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:35,166 you know, and get that done, 278 00:14:35,166 --> 00:14:37,000 just to check that off the list. 279 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,400 -If there is a body on that property... -[Jessica] Mmm-hmm. 280 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,867 ...this could be closure for our case, 281 00:14:41,867 --> 00:14:43,667 but it reopens the investigation 282 00:14:43,667 --> 00:14:45,266 for that law enforcement agency. 283 00:14:45,266 --> 00:14:46,200 Yeah, it does. 284 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,266 -All right. -Whoo! 285 00:14:47,266 --> 00:14:48,667 All right, let's do this. 286 00:14:49,567 --> 00:14:50,767 [Robert] This is a huge lead. 287 00:14:50,767 --> 00:14:53,567 I mean, if Theresa is buried there at his mother's house, 288 00:14:53,567 --> 00:14:55,600 I mean, this could blow the case wide open. 289 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,567 [suspenseful music playing] 290 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,166 [eerie music playing] 291 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,000 [cell phone ringing] 292 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:16,667 Hello? Is this the Fresno Sheriff's Department? 293 00:15:16,667 --> 00:15:18,166 Hi, this is Robert Collier. 294 00:15:18,166 --> 00:15:19,800 I'm here with Jessica Chobot. 295 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,467 We're re-examining 296 00:15:21,467 --> 00:15:24,667 the Theresa Bier missing person's case from 1987, 297 00:15:24,667 --> 00:15:26,467 and we've come across some information, 298 00:15:26,467 --> 00:15:30,367 and that information has led us to a house in Fresno 299 00:15:30,367 --> 00:15:34,266 that, potentially, Theresa Bier might be buried at. 300 00:15:34,266 --> 00:15:37,166 If we were able to get a cadaver dog out here 301 00:15:37,166 --> 00:15:38,867 to do the search of the residence 302 00:15:38,867 --> 00:15:41,700 and Theresa's body is buried there, 303 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:45,000 we can actually, probably, you know, solve this case. 304 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,233 [suspenseful music playing] 305 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:53,467 Okay. Well, we can do that. 306 00:15:53,467 --> 00:15:54,500 Thank you. 307 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,567 -How'd it go? -They're on board. 308 00:15:57,567 --> 00:15:58,600 -They said... -Oh, good. 309 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,800 ...all we need to do is we need to go over there 310 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,667 and get permission from the homeowners. 311 00:16:02,667 --> 00:16:05,000 The Fresno County Sheriff's are willing to help. 312 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,467 They just wanted us to make sure 313 00:16:06,467 --> 00:16:09,000 that we had the current homeowner's permission 314 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,533 to search the property. 315 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,266 [Jessica] So how do you wanna tackle talking to a complete stranger 316 00:16:17,266 --> 00:16:19,100 and trying to convince them to let us in their house 317 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:23,600 'cause they have a dead body, possibly, buried in their yard? 318 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,700 [Robert] You know what, from an investigator's standpoint, 319 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:29,166 I think honesty is the best policy on that. 320 00:16:29,166 --> 00:16:31,367 [Jessica] We got to get in there somehow 321 00:16:31,367 --> 00:16:33,667 because this is the key to the case 322 00:16:33,667 --> 00:16:35,100 if we're able to find... 323 00:16:36,066 --> 00:16:37,033 a body. 324 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:40,367 [Robert] I think this is the neighborhood. 325 00:16:40,367 --> 00:16:41,300 -Right? -[Jessica] Yep. 326 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:42,867 No. We're in the right neighborhood. 327 00:16:42,867 --> 00:16:44,066 [Robert] It's gonna be on your side. 328 00:16:44,066 --> 00:16:46,600 [Jessica] I think it will be on my side. 329 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,000 There's two palm trees in the front... 330 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,767 -[Robert] Yeah. -...kind of, short, green trim, 331 00:16:49,767 --> 00:16:50,633 white garage. 332 00:16:50,633 --> 00:16:52,300 -This is it, right here. -[Robert] Okay. 333 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:53,867 [Jessica] Oh, yeah. Absolutely. 334 00:16:53,867 --> 00:16:55,767 -That's us. -[Robert] All right. 335 00:16:56,367 --> 00:16:57,533 [Jessica] This is the house. 336 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:01,100 [grunts] 337 00:17:04,767 --> 00:17:05,667 [keys jingling] 338 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:07,667 All right. So... 339 00:17:07,667 --> 00:17:08,767 -[Robert] Yeah. -...straightforward, 340 00:17:08,767 --> 00:17:10,266 honest, matter of fact. 341 00:17:10,967 --> 00:17:11,867 [Robert] That's all we can do. 342 00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:14,367 [knocking at door] 343 00:17:15,066 --> 00:17:16,100 -Hi. -[woman] Yes. 344 00:17:16,100 --> 00:17:17,900 -[Jessica] Hi. -Hi. How are you, ma'am? 345 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:19,400 Yes. My name is Robert. 346 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,266 -This is Jessica. -[Jessica] Hi, I'm Jessica. 347 00:17:21,266 --> 00:17:23,700 [Robert] Are you okay if we film you? 348 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:25,300 We have a film crew with us. 349 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,567 We're doing a missing person investigation, 350 00:17:31,567 --> 00:17:35,367 and they are accompanying us while we do this investigation. 351 00:17:35,367 --> 00:17:37,367 I... Is it okay for them to film you? 352 00:17:37,367 --> 00:17:39,600 -Yeah. Okay. -You're okay with that? 353 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,867 Okay. I'm a little speak English. 354 00:17:41,867 --> 00:17:43,100 -Okay. -But, I... 355 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:44,967 -Can I talk to my daughter... -Yeah, please. 356 00:17:44,967 --> 00:17:46,500 -Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll wait here. -You can get her, yeah. 357 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:48,166 -Okay. -[Robert and Jessica] Thank you. 358 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,500 -At least she was receptive. -[Jessica] Okay. Yeah. 359 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:56,400 -She's my daughter. -Hi. 360 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,500 -I'm Robert. -Hi. I'm Riley. 361 00:17:57,500 --> 00:17:59,600 -Hi, Jessica. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. 362 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,867 We're investigating the Theresa Bier missing case from 1987. 363 00:18:02,867 --> 00:18:04,867 -Okay. -[Robert] This is the girl. Her name is Theresa Bier. 364 00:18:04,867 --> 00:18:05,767 She went missing. 365 00:18:05,767 --> 00:18:07,867 And this is Skip, who used to live here. 366 00:18:07,867 --> 00:18:10,967 This... Your house, actually, used to be his mom's house. 367 00:18:10,967 --> 00:18:12,300 Oh, okay. 368 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,567 [Robert] So we spoke to a family member, 369 00:18:15,166 --> 00:18:18,800 and she told us that... 370 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,700 he might have buried a body here on your property. 371 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:30,367 If it's okay with you, we'd like to have a cadaver dog 372 00:18:30,367 --> 00:18:31,767 search your property. 373 00:18:31,767 --> 00:18:33,567 We've already contacted law enforcement, 374 00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:36,266 and they said, as long as we got permission from you, 375 00:18:36,266 --> 00:18:40,166 they will help facilitate to search your property. 376 00:18:40,166 --> 00:18:42,967 If you have a human body buried on your property, 377 00:18:42,967 --> 00:18:44,367 you probably wanna know that. 378 00:18:44,367 --> 00:18:45,600 [both] Yeah. 379 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,000 When would you guys wanna come out and search? 380 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,100 As soon as we can. 381 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:52,367 We just have to get you're okay with that. 382 00:18:57,900 --> 00:18:58,867 Yeah. Okay. 383 00:18:58,867 --> 00:19:00,166 [Robert] Okay. That's great. 384 00:19:00,667 --> 00:19:03,867 [speaking Spanish] 385 00:19:08,867 --> 00:19:11,000 [Riley] She's saying that she wants to do it for the family. 386 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,300 -She's like, "If I lost you... -[Robert] All right. 387 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:15,100 ...I would want to know what happened." 388 00:19:18,867 --> 00:19:21,667 [Jessica] As uncomfortable as I was 389 00:19:21,667 --> 00:19:24,000 going to that front door and knocking on it, 390 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,266 I was so pleasantly surprised 391 00:19:27,266 --> 00:19:32,400 once we told them we think there are clues, potentially, in their yard, 392 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,000 they're willing to let us do this. 393 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,800 They truly do wanna help Theresa. 394 00:19:38,266 --> 00:19:40,166 Is there anywhere else that you recommend 395 00:19:40,166 --> 00:19:41,367 that we do a search? 396 00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:43,166 We have a basement... 397 00:19:43,166 --> 00:19:44,767 -[Jessica] You got a basement? -...under our house. 398 00:19:44,767 --> 00:19:46,667 My dad, um... 399 00:19:46,667 --> 00:19:49,767 he went in the basement when we had moved in... 400 00:19:49,767 --> 00:19:52,667 -[Robert and Jessica] Mmm-hmm. -...and found fragments of old clothes. 401 00:19:52,667 --> 00:19:53,867 -[Jessica] Down in the... -Crawl space. 402 00:19:53,867 --> 00:19:55,100 -[Robert] Down in the crawl space? -[both] Yeah. 403 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:57,200 Oh, okay. Interesting. 404 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,367 [Robert] That's very, very interesting. 405 00:19:59,367 --> 00:20:01,600 [Jessica] I would love to be able to get down there 406 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:02,900 if that's okay with you guys. 407 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:05,100 -If you want to. -[Robert] Okay, that's great. 408 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:06,767 That's great. 409 00:20:06,767 --> 00:20:09,400 The fact that the homeowners actually found 410 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,300 piles of old clothes stuffed into the crawlspace 411 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:15,000 as if somebody was trying to hide it, 412 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,066 oh, my gosh. 413 00:20:17,066 --> 00:20:19,600 Like, what else could be down there? 414 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,500 No one has searched that yard, yet, or the house. 415 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,867 This is our best bet at finding Theresa. 416 00:20:26,867 --> 00:20:28,767 [suspenseful music playing] 417 00:20:32,567 --> 00:20:34,166 [suspenseful music playing] 418 00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:44,900 [Robert] I feel very uneasy today. 419 00:20:46,567 --> 00:20:48,500 Reflecting back when you and I started all this... 420 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:52,667 -Yeah. -...I've actually laid awake thinking about Theresa. 421 00:20:52,667 --> 00:20:54,967 It weighs on you mentally. 422 00:20:54,967 --> 00:20:56,667 Going into this cadaver search, 423 00:20:56,667 --> 00:20:58,467 I, honestly, I'm on, kind of, pins and needles. 424 00:20:58,467 --> 00:21:01,300 I wanna know what's there on the property. I'm anxious. 425 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:03,066 It's the, "What if," 426 00:21:03,066 --> 00:21:04,500 and, "What are you gonna find?" 427 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:06,300 That's what goes through your mind. 428 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:08,166 I've been pretty much thinking constantly 429 00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:10,667 about the fact that we might actually have a chance 430 00:21:10,667 --> 00:21:12,867 to blow the lid off this case 431 00:21:12,867 --> 00:21:14,767 if we find a body in the yard. 432 00:21:14,767 --> 00:21:16,000 [Robert] That is a possibility, 433 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,266 and it weighs heavy. 434 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,266 It weighs really heavy. 435 00:21:20,367 --> 00:21:24,567 It's this weird feeling of excitement, 436 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:26,367 but guilt 437 00:21:26,367 --> 00:21:28,867 because you're excited to... 438 00:21:28,867 --> 00:21:31,200 be moving forward, possibly, with the case. 439 00:21:31,867 --> 00:21:33,266 The flip side to that is, 440 00:21:33,266 --> 00:21:35,100 you remember what you're looking for 441 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:36,700 and why you're looking for it. 442 00:21:37,567 --> 00:21:39,767 It's a really sad situation. 443 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:43,867 [tense music playing] 444 00:21:47,467 --> 00:21:50,100 [Robert] There it is. There's the house. 445 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:52,166 Looks like the Sheriff's already here. 446 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:54,500 Let's do this. 447 00:21:56,367 --> 00:21:58,066 -Hello. -How are you? 448 00:21:58,066 --> 00:21:59,800 -Jessica. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. 449 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,467 Today, we're working with the Fresno County Sheriff's Department. 450 00:22:02,467 --> 00:22:04,166 There's Deputy Colleen Santos 451 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:07,867 and canine handler Kris Black and her dog, Annie. 452 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,467 I've worked with cadaver dogs before. 453 00:22:11,467 --> 00:22:14,066 Their specialty is locating bodies, 454 00:22:14,066 --> 00:22:17,100 either recent or from a long time ago. 455 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:20,767 This dog is well capable of locating the buried body. 456 00:22:20,767 --> 00:22:22,200 [Kris] This is Annie. 457 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,200 She's a human-remains detection canine 458 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,100 also known as a cadaver dog. 459 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:27,967 If Annie gets into odor, 460 00:22:27,967 --> 00:22:30,867 you'll see very distinctive body changes. 461 00:22:30,867 --> 00:22:33,400 Her trained final response is a down. 462 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,867 -Is a down. Okay. -Yes. 463 00:22:34,867 --> 00:22:36,200 And so then when she goes down, 464 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,100 what's the next step? 465 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:38,266 [Deputy Santos] Once we determine 466 00:22:38,266 --> 00:22:39,667 that this could be something, 467 00:22:39,667 --> 00:22:41,467 then there'll be further investigation. 468 00:22:41,467 --> 00:22:42,867 Then we'll move forward from there. 469 00:22:42,867 --> 00:22:43,867 [Jessica] Got it. 470 00:22:43,867 --> 00:22:44,867 [Deputy Santos] While we're doing this search, 471 00:22:44,867 --> 00:22:46,100 we're going to be behind her 472 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:47,767 she's leading the way. Okay? 473 00:22:47,767 --> 00:22:49,066 And if she has interest on something, 474 00:22:49,066 --> 00:22:50,467 then we're gonna stop what we're doing. 475 00:22:50,467 --> 00:22:52,166 We're gonna go off their lead. 476 00:22:52,166 --> 00:22:53,166 -Perfect. -Perfect. 477 00:22:53,166 --> 00:22:54,166 -Let's do it. -All right. Lead the way. 478 00:22:54,166 --> 00:22:55,100 [Kris] Let's do it. 479 00:22:55,867 --> 00:22:57,767 [ominous music playing] 480 00:23:05,767 --> 00:23:06,867 [Kris clicks tongue] 481 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:08,600 [sniffing] 482 00:23:09,567 --> 00:23:10,500 [Kris] This way. 483 00:23:15,767 --> 00:23:17,000 [Deputy Santos] So what we're doing right now 484 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,100 is she's very independent. 485 00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:19,300 She's doing a perimeter. 486 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:20,467 [Jessica] Mmm-hmm. 487 00:23:20,467 --> 00:23:21,400 [sniffing] 488 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,100 So just kind of getting the lay of the land. 489 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:24,100 [Deputy Santos] Yes. 490 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:30,967 [Kris] Nice work, Annie. 491 00:23:31,767 --> 00:23:33,600 The search started off in the backyard. 492 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,100 She basically broke it down into like a grid. 493 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:38,100 And she was going back and forth. 494 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,266 [Jessica] If she hits on something, 495 00:23:40,467 --> 00:23:43,000 I honestly don't know how I will process that. 496 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,100 If that actually happens. 497 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,500 [Robert] Well, we shall see, right? 498 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:46,567 [Jessica] Yeah. 499 00:23:46,567 --> 00:23:47,700 She's thorough. 500 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:49,100 She's going everywhere. 501 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,700 [Kris] Come on, Annie. 502 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:55,800 [Jessica] It was really impressive to see the dog 503 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,400 and her handler at work. 504 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,100 You can truly see why 505 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:01,900 it is such an important investigation tool. 506 00:24:02,367 --> 00:24:03,500 Good girl. Here. 507 00:24:04,967 --> 00:24:06,467 [Robert] She did not locate anything? 508 00:24:06,467 --> 00:24:08,066 -[Kris] I did not see any behaviors. -Okay. 509 00:24:08,066 --> 00:24:09,500 -All right. Great. -Okay 510 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:11,400 [Robert] You want to go inside after this? 511 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,567 [Kris] Yes. 512 00:24:12,567 --> 00:24:13,967 We'll do the house next. 513 00:24:16,367 --> 00:24:18,166 [Jessica] There was an area inside the house 514 00:24:18,166 --> 00:24:20,266 that the homeowner actually alerted us to, 515 00:24:21,367 --> 00:24:23,266 which was this crawlspace area 516 00:24:23,266 --> 00:24:25,767 within one of the bedrooms underneath the house. 517 00:24:25,767 --> 00:24:27,667 The owners had mentioned that they had found 518 00:24:27,667 --> 00:24:31,266 some discarded clothing that had been stuffed into the crawlspace. 519 00:24:31,266 --> 00:24:34,700 So we absolutely need to investigate that area. 520 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:35,600 All right. 521 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,667 I'm gonna go ahead and take a look. 522 00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:39,567 [Robert] Okay? 523 00:24:41,867 --> 00:24:42,767 [Kris coughs] 524 00:24:42,767 --> 00:24:44,266 Good girl. What is it? 525 00:24:44,667 --> 00:24:45,600 Here. Down. 526 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:47,166 Good girl. 527 00:24:51,567 --> 00:24:54,266 There's a lot of insulation that's hanging down there. 528 00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:55,200 [Jessica] Yeah. 529 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,000 I'd rather not send her in there. 530 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,467 I'm afraid she might get stuck. 531 00:24:58,467 --> 00:25:00,600 There's a lot of sharp little edges... 532 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,500 -Yeah. Yeah. -...of material down there. 533 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:04,400 [Jessica] Yeah. Yeah. 534 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:07,900 Um... 535 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:09,000 I mean, I can go in there. 536 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,967 There's no way we've come this far 537 00:25:11,967 --> 00:25:14,200 for Theresa to stop. 538 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,567 Only because the crawl space was hard to access. 539 00:25:17,567 --> 00:25:19,100 I was not having that. 540 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:20,800 Okay, let's see. 541 00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,000 Tuck this in. 542 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,000 [Robert] Are you sure you want to do this? 543 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,667 [Jessica] I've been in much worse places. 544 00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:34,000 Just be careful. Please. 545 00:25:45,367 --> 00:25:46,400 Watch your head, Jess. 546 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,367 [Jessica] I'm watching it. 547 00:25:51,266 --> 00:25:52,467 [breathing heavily] 548 00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:53,467 [Jessica] Okay. 549 00:25:59,567 --> 00:26:03,000 I'm crawling underneath Skip's old house. 550 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,567 It's very tight, very narrow. 551 00:26:05,567 --> 00:26:06,700 I'm gonna look around. 552 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,467 See if I find anything. 553 00:26:08,467 --> 00:26:11,166 If I do, call up top [strains] and then 554 00:26:11,166 --> 00:26:12,967 um, and then the cops takeover. 555 00:26:16,967 --> 00:26:18,467 It was like being in a cave, 556 00:26:18,467 --> 00:26:20,266 very small, it's very tiny. 557 00:26:20,266 --> 00:26:23,367 There was just enough light to see things, 558 00:26:23,367 --> 00:26:26,533 but not so well that you could really get your bearings. 559 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,767 [Robert] Jess, you good down there? 560 00:26:30,767 --> 00:26:31,767 [Jessica] I'm good! 561 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,700 When you think about it, I could be [panting] 562 00:26:35,367 --> 00:26:36,767 in the basement 563 00:26:37,367 --> 00:26:39,900 with Theresa right now. 564 00:26:40,867 --> 00:26:42,467 [sighing in exhaustion] 565 00:26:42,467 --> 00:26:45,266 Which [panting] I think I just freaked myself out. 566 00:26:51,266 --> 00:26:52,533 What the [bleep] is that. 567 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,000 [bleep] It's bad. 568 00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:58,367 [panting] 569 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,767 Oh, what the [bleep] 570 00:27:05,767 --> 00:27:07,367 Jess, do you see something? 571 00:27:07,867 --> 00:27:08,967 [Jessica] Nothing yet. 572 00:27:08,967 --> 00:27:10,500 It's just a lot bigger. 573 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,600 It actually goes a lot further back than I was expecting. 574 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,700 Okay. 575 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:17,000 [Jessica] I'm gonna try to get back into the corners, 576 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,266 because if you're gonna hide something, 577 00:27:18,266 --> 00:27:19,500 you're gonna hide it well. 578 00:27:20,567 --> 00:27:22,066 -[Robert] All right. -[Jessica straining] 579 00:27:22,066 --> 00:27:23,266 Please be careful. 580 00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:27,667 [Jessica] Oh, man. I want to go down there. 581 00:27:28,667 --> 00:27:29,500 [grunts] 582 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:34,100 [panting] Let's see. 583 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,166 This is... 584 00:27:38,567 --> 00:27:40,266 I think this is all just cement. 585 00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:48,700 Stones. 586 00:27:51,567 --> 00:27:53,000 Holy! [bleep] 587 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,100 What? 588 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,800 [Jessica] I found bones. 589 00:27:59,266 --> 00:28:00,567 [Jessica] I think this is all just cement. 590 00:28:04,767 --> 00:28:06,266 Holy! [bleep] 591 00:28:06,266 --> 00:28:07,367 What? 592 00:28:07,367 --> 00:28:08,700 [Jessica] I found bones. 593 00:28:11,066 --> 00:28:12,967 That looks like it might whole teeth. 594 00:28:14,266 --> 00:28:17,000 This looks like a small rib bone. 595 00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:20,166 It would be quite a few years 596 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:21,767 since she would have been put down here 597 00:28:21,767 --> 00:28:23,767 so things could have broken up 598 00:28:23,767 --> 00:28:25,266 [panting] 599 00:28:25,266 --> 00:28:28,567 over time, and all we're left is with small fragments. 600 00:28:28,567 --> 00:28:30,000 It's a possibility. 601 00:28:32,467 --> 00:28:34,100 [Robert] Hand me the camera, Jess. 602 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:35,066 [Jessica] Here you go. 603 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,467 [panting] 604 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,166 [exhales] 605 00:28:39,166 --> 00:28:40,600 -[Robert] Whoa! -[Jessica] It's... uh... 606 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,200 something else in there. Ooh! 607 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,767 Oh! It's hot. 608 00:28:44,767 --> 00:28:47,367 [Robert] So we have a video of the bones. 609 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:48,667 [Jessica] Yeah. 610 00:28:48,667 --> 00:28:49,867 Oh, that's them right there. 611 00:28:49,867 --> 00:28:51,300 Okay, hold on. 612 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:53,800 So that's what I thought looked like a bit of a jawbone. 613 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,100 That was the biggest piece. 614 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,667 There was another piece that I'll rewind and... 615 00:28:58,467 --> 00:29:01,266 That to me looked like a vertebrae. 616 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,100 Let's just take a picture of each. 617 00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:06,367 That one right there looked like a small rib bone. 618 00:29:07,467 --> 00:29:09,467 [Deputy Santos] Let's go. Notify my lieutenant. 619 00:29:09,467 --> 00:29:10,900 All right. 620 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:12,000 -Oh. [sighs] -[Robert] Yeah. 621 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,967 [Jessica] I need a hose. 622 00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:14,266 [Robert] Dirty job. 623 00:29:14,266 --> 00:29:16,667 One of the bones. It just looked to human. 624 00:29:16,667 --> 00:29:17,567 The vertebrae. 625 00:29:17,567 --> 00:29:18,867 It looked like a vertebrae. 626 00:29:18,867 --> 00:29:20,700 The size fit. 627 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:22,700 This might be a human bone. 628 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,367 [Jessica] All right, so here are those photos. 629 00:29:26,367 --> 00:29:28,667 Okay, so here's this one. 630 00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:30,100 [Jessica] I brought the picture to the sheriff. 631 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:32,200 I showed her. 632 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800 And she did kind of get wide eyed 633 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,467 and seemed a little shocked that we found anything at all. 634 00:29:37,467 --> 00:29:41,266 I'm gonna give those photographs to our coroner's office. 635 00:29:41,266 --> 00:29:42,867 We have doctors there, 636 00:29:42,867 --> 00:29:44,400 the medical examiners, they will determine 637 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,767 whether or not the images look like they are likely human. 638 00:29:48,767 --> 00:29:50,133 Or likely animals. 639 00:29:50,133 --> 00:29:52,266 If one of the doctors says it looks like it could possibly be human, 640 00:29:52,266 --> 00:29:54,166 then we'll come back and we'll actually physically collect it 641 00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:55,600 and they'll do a physical examination. 642 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,600 [Jessica] Got it. 643 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,467 If the coroner comes back 644 00:29:58,467 --> 00:30:01,600 and says that this could be human remains, 645 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,200 that could be Theresa. 646 00:30:09,567 --> 00:30:11,367 I'm just really shocked. 647 00:30:11,367 --> 00:30:12,667 We found something that 648 00:30:12,667 --> 00:30:15,500 actually might be a human skeleton. 649 00:30:16,867 --> 00:30:19,500 I did not expect to stumble upon a bone 650 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:23,000 that, to me at least, that one looked so... 651 00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:25,266 Yeah, like a vertebrae. 652 00:30:25,266 --> 00:30:27,767 -[Robert] Yeah, like-- -Like a possible human vertebrae. 653 00:30:27,767 --> 00:30:29,767 Looked like a vertebrae to me. 654 00:30:29,767 --> 00:30:31,767 [Jessica] What if we found Theresa? 655 00:30:50,367 --> 00:30:51,667 [cell phone ringing] 656 00:30:51,667 --> 00:30:53,667 [Robert] Jess, I think that's the sheriff calling me. 657 00:30:53,667 --> 00:30:55,000 -[Jessica] Seriously? -[Robert] Yes, 658 00:30:57,767 --> 00:30:58,967 Hello. 659 00:30:58,967 --> 00:31:00,500 I'm here with Robert Collier. 660 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:01,667 What's going on? 661 00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:03,100 Uh-huh. 662 00:31:04,567 --> 00:31:05,467 Okay. 663 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:07,667 What does that mean? 664 00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:11,567 The coroner looked at the photographs, 665 00:31:11,567 --> 00:31:13,800 and they think that they're animal bones. Is that right? 666 00:31:14,967 --> 00:31:15,967 Hmm. 667 00:31:16,567 --> 00:31:17,767 All right. Yeah. 668 00:31:17,767 --> 00:31:19,000 No, I understand. 669 00:31:20,166 --> 00:31:23,066 Thank you very much for looking into it for us, 670 00:31:23,066 --> 00:31:24,667 and we really appreciate it. 671 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,000 Bye. 672 00:31:26,867 --> 00:31:28,500 -Really? -[Jessica] Animal bone. 673 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,000 Obviously, I'm very disappointed. 674 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,467 And now what are we left with? 675 00:31:32,467 --> 00:31:35,000 I mean, it could be anything. 676 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,867 I mean, maybe it's not Skip, after all. 677 00:31:38,867 --> 00:31:40,767 I mean, at this point, I don't even know. 678 00:31:40,767 --> 00:31:44,400 I still think it's Skip his bizarre behavior. 679 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,000 His actions, taking this 16-year-old girl up to the mountains. 680 00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:52,467 I think Skip is still the main suspect in this, 681 00:31:52,467 --> 00:31:55,667 and there's got to be a smoking gun. 682 00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:01,567 [Jessica] So what's next? Like, what do we do? 683 00:32:01,567 --> 00:32:03,066 [Robert] I think our next best step 684 00:32:03,066 --> 00:32:04,800 is another run at James Welch. 685 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,767 He had some pretty damning stuff 686 00:32:06,767 --> 00:32:09,266 to say about his uncle Skip. 687 00:32:09,266 --> 00:32:12,467 -In the police report. -[Jessica] Yeah, but he said no. 688 00:32:12,467 --> 00:32:14,800 Even though he hung up on me last time, 689 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,266 I think we should give him another try. 690 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:18,667 I think he's our last hope. 691 00:32:18,667 --> 00:32:19,967 [phone ringing] 692 00:32:22,467 --> 00:32:23,567 [phone ringing] 693 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,066 Hey, James. 694 00:32:26,467 --> 00:32:27,767 [in English] 695 00:32:27,767 --> 00:32:30,200 Hey, this is Rob Collier. I'm here with Jessica Chobot. 696 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,200 I know this could be painful. 697 00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:34,266 As you expressed before, 698 00:32:34,266 --> 00:32:37,100 but we really think you could be a pivotal 699 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:38,700 point in this investigation. 700 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,166 This could be after 40 years, 701 00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:42,767 a huge weight off your chest. 702 00:32:43,567 --> 00:32:45,367 We're trying to get to the bottom 703 00:32:45,367 --> 00:32:47,867 of what happened to this 16-year-old girl. 704 00:32:47,867 --> 00:32:50,900 We really think that you can really help us 705 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,200 and be pivotal in finding out what happened to Theresa. 706 00:32:59,367 --> 00:33:00,567 [James speaking] 707 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,066 [Robert] Great. That's great. 708 00:33:20,066 --> 00:33:21,700 We'll meet you at five. Thanks. 709 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,900 I am really interested in talking to James Welch 710 00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:27,000 because I think he'll paint another side 711 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,066 to what we've heard about Skip. 712 00:33:29,066 --> 00:33:31,367 I'm sure he can give us a lot of information. 713 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:41,000 Just here we are Miller's landing. 714 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,166 -[Jessica] Ready? -[Robert] Yeah. 715 00:33:42,166 --> 00:33:43,166 Supposed to be here. 716 00:33:43,166 --> 00:33:44,900 [Jessica] All right. Fingers crossed. 717 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,100 So right here or at the far end? 718 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,166 [Robert] I don't know. Let's go down the dock. 719 00:33:51,166 --> 00:33:52,500 -[Jessica] It's just to check. -[Robert] Down here. 720 00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:55,166 I don't see anybody standing around here. 721 00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:56,667 Nope. 722 00:34:04,166 --> 00:34:06,000 [Robert] He said he was going to be over here. 723 00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:19,300 Come on, man. 724 00:34:21,767 --> 00:34:22,767 [Robert sighs] 725 00:34:22,767 --> 00:34:24,500 I don't think this guy's gonna show. 726 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:26,200 [Jessica] All right, a couple more minutes. 727 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,600 -[Robert] Yup. -[Jessica sighs] Okay 728 00:34:33,767 --> 00:34:35,700 Oh, hey, I think this is him. 729 00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:36,600 [Robert] Might be. 730 00:34:38,567 --> 00:34:39,567 -James? -[Jessica] Hi. 731 00:34:39,567 --> 00:34:40,467 Hi. 732 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,600 [Robert] James. Right? 733 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,967 -Correct. -All right. 734 00:34:43,967 --> 00:34:45,567 -Nice to meet you. Robert. -[James] Nice to meet you. 735 00:34:45,567 --> 00:34:47,100 -Nice to meet you. -Hi, Jessica. 736 00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:48,066 Nice to meet you. 737 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:51,300 Thanks for-- 738 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,266 Thanks for meeting us today. I appreciate that. 739 00:34:53,266 --> 00:34:55,867 Hey, whatever I can do to help 740 00:34:55,867 --> 00:34:57,667 [Robert] Jessica and I, we're looking into 741 00:34:57,667 --> 00:34:59,066 the Theresa Bier missing case, 742 00:34:59,066 --> 00:35:00,667 and we know that you were 743 00:35:00,667 --> 00:35:02,467 -a nephew of Skip. -Yeah. 744 00:35:02,467 --> 00:35:04,467 What was your relationship with Skip? 745 00:35:04,467 --> 00:35:06,100 Did he take you to the mountains a lot? 746 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:07,667 I mean, did you do things together a lot? 747 00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:10,200 Uh, we went to a place called Ghost Canyon. 748 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,967 Went there a few times. 749 00:35:13,867 --> 00:35:15,767 [Jessica] We know that he was really into Bigfoot. 750 00:35:15,767 --> 00:35:17,567 Is that why you guys went camping up there? 751 00:35:17,567 --> 00:35:19,266 He took me up there for that. 752 00:35:19,266 --> 00:35:21,467 -It's Indian burial ground. -[Jessica] Mmm-hmm. 753 00:35:21,467 --> 00:35:23,900 -There's carvings all over the place. -[Robert] Mmm-hmm. 754 00:35:24,867 --> 00:35:26,867 I don't know why, but he confided in me 755 00:35:26,867 --> 00:35:28,600 -about everything he did. -[Robert] Right. 756 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,000 I don't understand why, 757 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,600 but he told me and then nobody else. 758 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,266 He started telling me about the way 759 00:35:36,266 --> 00:35:37,867 he would take young girls up there 760 00:35:37,867 --> 00:35:39,000 that were on the streets. 761 00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:41,266 Because if he didn't do that, 762 00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:43,367 then Bigfoot would chase him off the mountain. 763 00:35:48,567 --> 00:35:51,867 [Jessica] So the girls were kind of an offering 764 00:35:51,867 --> 00:35:53,967 to the Bigfoot that were in that area. 765 00:35:53,967 --> 00:35:56,300 [James] That is what he told me, yes. 766 00:36:00,867 --> 00:36:02,567 [Robert] When James told us that his Uncle Skip 767 00:36:02,567 --> 00:36:04,166 took young girls up to the mountains 768 00:36:04,166 --> 00:36:05,667 as an offering to Bigfoot. 769 00:36:05,667 --> 00:36:08,367 That is so explosive in an investigation like this, 770 00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:10,266 because that to me as an investigator 771 00:36:10,266 --> 00:36:12,900 that pinpoints that Skip he has done this before, 772 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,266 and he took Theresa up there to do the same thing. 773 00:36:15,266 --> 00:36:18,000 [James] He's told me he's taking women up there. 774 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,100 It was in Strawberry Tungsten mines. 775 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,367 He could throw a body off into a mine 776 00:36:22,367 --> 00:36:24,166 a thousand feet deep. 777 00:36:24,166 --> 00:36:27,867 He told me he buried a girl when the creek got low. 778 00:36:27,867 --> 00:36:29,900 He freaking dug all the rocks out 779 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:31,767 and put them on top of her. 780 00:36:31,767 --> 00:36:33,066 And then nobody could see it 781 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:34,500 because it was in the cold water. 782 00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:38,700 He told you that he buried a girl there before? 783 00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,166 -[James] Yeah. -[Jessica] Interesting. Okay. 784 00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:43,367 [Robert] Did he say Theresa, maybe. 785 00:36:43,367 --> 00:36:45,467 -Did he ever tell you who it was? -No, this is-- 786 00:36:45,467 --> 00:36:47,767 This is way before her. 787 00:36:47,767 --> 00:36:50,767 He always picks young girls that are on the street, 788 00:36:50,767 --> 00:36:52,867 the ones that like takeoff and do drugs, 789 00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:55,266 and because nobody gives a [bleep] about 'em. 790 00:36:55,266 --> 00:36:57,266 [ominous music playing] 791 00:36:57,266 --> 00:36:59,667 [Jessica] Listening to James talk about Skip. 792 00:36:59,667 --> 00:37:02,200 He truly believes that essentially, 793 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,567 Skip is a serial killer. 794 00:37:04,567 --> 00:37:09,000 This investigation has taken a a very dark turn. 795 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,867 If what he's telling us is the truth. 796 00:37:15,367 --> 00:37:17,100 Do we know this girl's name? 797 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,100 No, there's a map. 798 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,000 It has initials on it. 799 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,400 There's like seven of them. 800 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,700 Okay. 801 00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:25,867 [James] He told me that this is where he put them. 802 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,166 But he was also the kind of person 803 00:37:28,166 --> 00:37:29,467 who would tell you one thing. 804 00:37:30,266 --> 00:37:32,300 And stick 'em totally somewhere else. 805 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:33,767 -[Jessica] Got it? -[Robert] Okay. 806 00:37:33,767 --> 00:37:35,300 That's the way he worked. 807 00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:38,367 [Jessica] If there are other victims up there 808 00:37:38,367 --> 00:37:40,567 that also did not get justice. 809 00:37:40,567 --> 00:37:42,266 Obviously, it's really sad, 810 00:37:42,266 --> 00:37:44,567 but it's also really frustrating 811 00:37:44,567 --> 00:37:46,767 that Skip got away with it. 812 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,467 Did you tell the police that he possibly has buried 813 00:37:50,467 --> 00:37:51,700 some other girl up there in the stream 814 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:53,300 -and put rocks on her? -[James] Yeah. 815 00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:54,567 They took a helicopter. 816 00:37:54,567 --> 00:37:56,000 They went over with infrared. 817 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,266 They came to find nothing. 818 00:37:57,266 --> 00:37:58,400 [Jessica] Hmm. 819 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,367 Did he ever mention that he was taking Theresa up there? 820 00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:07,767 Yeah. 821 00:38:07,767 --> 00:38:10,567 When I met Theresa, they came to my house. 822 00:38:10,567 --> 00:38:12,667 He told me, "We're going to go to Ghost Canyon 823 00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:14,467 and we're going to fight the devil. 824 00:38:14,467 --> 00:38:17,066 Either we win and we come back 825 00:38:17,066 --> 00:38:19,066 or we lose we won't." 826 00:38:19,066 --> 00:38:21,867 -Mmm-hmm. -So-- So that day 827 00:38:21,867 --> 00:38:24,767 that he picked up Theresa, you saw her? 828 00:38:25,367 --> 00:38:26,667 [James] Yeah. 829 00:38:26,667 --> 00:38:29,000 He came to my house, told me, "Get in the car 830 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,367 We're going to Ghost Canyon." 831 00:38:30,367 --> 00:38:31,567 She was in the car. 832 00:38:31,567 --> 00:38:33,266 He wanted you to go with him. 833 00:38:33,266 --> 00:38:35,500 Yeah, because I knew too much information. 834 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,900 And I think he wanted to get rid of me. 835 00:38:38,967 --> 00:38:40,967 You think he was gonna try and get rid of you as well? 836 00:38:40,967 --> 00:38:43,000 -Yeah, -[Jessica] So you knew too much information 837 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,900 about the other girls that he was bringing up there 838 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:47,867 and things of that nature sacrificing them 839 00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:49,100 and that because of that now, 840 00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:52,000 -he wanted to also kill you, too. -Yeah. 841 00:38:55,667 --> 00:38:58,266 I went out she was sitting in the truck 842 00:38:58,266 --> 00:39:00,700 and I told her to get the hell out of the truck. 843 00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:02,200 And she's like, "No, I want to go." 844 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,300 I said "No. Get the hell out of the truck!" 845 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:05,166 [Jessica] Mmm-hmm. 846 00:39:05,166 --> 00:39:07,266 I should have grabbed her up by hair. 847 00:39:07,266 --> 00:39:09,767 Sorry, and yanked her ass out. 848 00:39:09,767 --> 00:39:11,100 Mmm-hmm. 849 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,066 That was the only time I've ever seen her. 850 00:39:13,066 --> 00:39:15,200 And three days later, nobody ever seen her again. 851 00:39:21,867 --> 00:39:25,500 Do you think he actually killed Theresa up by Ghost Canyon? 852 00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,066 Or do you think he took her somewhere else 853 00:39:27,066 --> 00:39:28,967 even before that and killed her off? 854 00:39:28,967 --> 00:39:31,767 He said that he took her there. 855 00:39:31,767 --> 00:39:33,567 And a bunch of bikers showed up. 856 00:39:33,567 --> 00:39:35,367 And she went with them. 857 00:39:35,367 --> 00:39:37,000 And she was never seen again. 858 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000 He don't know. 859 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,767 -Do you believe that statement? -[Robert] No! 860 00:39:39,767 --> 00:39:41,500 What do you believe happened up in Ghost Canyon? 861 00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:43,367 [James] I believe he took her up there with drugs. 862 00:39:43,367 --> 00:39:44,500 I think he OD'd her. 863 00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:46,066 And he had his way with her. 864 00:39:46,066 --> 00:39:47,500 And then he dumped her. 865 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,500 The man was evil. 866 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:03,100 Period, 867 00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:04,967 [Robert] Right. 868 00:40:04,967 --> 00:40:07,800 Um... his whole family knew it. 869 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,467 Do you know where he went after you know Theresa-- 870 00:40:10,467 --> 00:40:12,166 He came back and said that 871 00:40:12,166 --> 00:40:14,767 she was taken by a bunch of bikers. 872 00:40:14,767 --> 00:40:17,300 and he acted like he was normal. 873 00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:18,967 -[Robert] So that was the story to you. -[James] Yeah. 874 00:40:18,967 --> 00:40:22,200 But he, did he ever mention Bigfoot took-- taken her. 875 00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:23,667 Uh, no. 876 00:40:23,667 --> 00:40:26,667 So the story, you know he's sticking by that 877 00:40:26,667 --> 00:40:28,166 while they were up there 878 00:40:28,166 --> 00:40:30,567 she was end up talking to some bikers, 879 00:40:30,567 --> 00:40:32,800 and that's the last time he saw her. 880 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,467 -[James] Yeah. -[Robert] That's bull crap. 881 00:40:34,967 --> 00:40:35,867 That's bull crap 882 00:40:36,467 --> 00:40:38,500 Yeah, in my eyes. yeah. 883 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,867 -I think he just made up a story. -[Jessica] Mmm-hmm. 884 00:40:40,867 --> 00:40:42,900 And blamed it on somebody else. 885 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,200 And thought he was gonna get away with it. 886 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,700 -[Jessica] Yeah. -[Robert] Right. 887 00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:48,734 [James] He's kind of a genius. 888 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,967 I should have opened up the damn door 889 00:40:52,967 --> 00:40:55,500 and grabbed her out forcefully. 890 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,567 And made her get out of that damn car. 891 00:40:58,567 --> 00:41:00,867 And have her either go into my house 892 00:41:00,867 --> 00:41:02,767 or take her wherever she needs to go. 893 00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:08,667 That I felt I should have did was something I didn't do because, 894 00:41:08,667 --> 00:41:11,367 hell, I could have went to jail for it. 895 00:41:11,367 --> 00:41:14,367 You know, forcefully pulling her out of the car. 896 00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:17,500 I didn't know what else to do. 897 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,800 She totally refused. 898 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,300 James, you can't blame yourself because you know what? 899 00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:24,900 You didn't know what was really going to happen. 900 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:26,567 You know, you can't blame that. 901 00:41:26,567 --> 00:41:28,300 [Jessica] Plus, you were a kid at the same time too. 902 00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:30,166 You were a kid, and that's too much responsibility 903 00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:32,100 -for a kid. -Yeah. 904 00:41:33,066 --> 00:41:33,967 Well... 905 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:37,500 Just feel bad. 906 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:38,867 -James, thanks for coming. -[James] Yeah. 907 00:41:38,867 --> 00:41:40,066 -[Robert] Appreciate it. -[James] I hope that helps you guys some way. 908 00:41:40,066 --> 00:41:41,567 -Yeah, thank you. -Thank you. 909 00:41:41,567 --> 00:41:43,100 -Take care. -Have a good one. 910 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,166 [James] Have a good day. 911 00:41:45,767 --> 00:41:48,467 [Robert] James Welch had in depth knowledge 912 00:41:48,467 --> 00:41:50,467 on his uncle's activities. 913 00:41:50,467 --> 00:41:53,800 James actually witnessed Theresa in Skip's car. 914 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,667 That was huge. 915 00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:58,166 It puts a whole new twist on the investigation. 916 00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:04,767 [Jessica] Hearing all this come out of James's mouth, 917 00:42:04,767 --> 00:42:10,200 it's really painting a very dark picture of Skip 918 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,700 I had no idea about supposedly the additional girls 919 00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:15,767 that he murdered and buried up there. 920 00:42:15,767 --> 00:42:17,767 [Robert] I know that blew me away. 921 00:42:17,767 --> 00:42:19,667 He said his uncle was a serial killer. 922 00:42:19,667 --> 00:42:21,300 How dark 923 00:42:22,266 --> 00:42:25,600 and I mean, morbid and scary is that. 924 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,767 [Jessica] In my opinion, 925 00:42:26,767 --> 00:42:28,200 the only reason he never got arrested 926 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,367 for Theresa's disappearance 927 00:42:29,367 --> 00:42:30,667 is they just didn't have a body. 928 00:42:35,266 --> 00:42:37,467 After hearing James, I think we need to start 929 00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:38,600 ruling out some suspects here. 930 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,500 Like the Speed Freak killers, 931 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:43,100 I find it highly unlikely 932 00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,400 for them to be up there at the same time. 933 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,667 Theresa fit their victimology, 934 00:42:48,667 --> 00:42:50,900 but it would be an incredible coincidence. 935 00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:52,266 I agree with you. 936 00:42:52,266 --> 00:42:54,867 Shermantine was asked point blank 937 00:42:54,867 --> 00:42:55,900 if he had ever killed 938 00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:58,200 a 16-year-old girl in this area. 939 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,367 He said, "Absolutely not." 940 00:43:00,367 --> 00:43:01,800 He has nothing to lose. 941 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,500 He has admitted to his other crimes. 942 00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:07,667 -Right. -[Jessica] Why would he randomly lie about her? 943 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,100 And then there's blind Johnny. 944 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,000 He was an awful guardian. 945 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,166 He was doing drugs. 946 00:43:14,166 --> 00:43:16,066 He was selling drugs. 947 00:43:16,066 --> 00:43:18,567 But there's no evidence linking him to the crime. 948 00:43:18,567 --> 00:43:20,166 I agree with you about blind Johnny 949 00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:23,300 he let Theresa down in today's system, 950 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:24,967 she would not have been in that home. 951 00:43:25,567 --> 00:43:26,467 But at the end of the day, 952 00:43:26,467 --> 00:43:28,300 he did not go up to the mountains 953 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:30,567 with Skip and Theresa 954 00:43:31,367 --> 00:43:33,200 and he was not a part of the crime. 955 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,867 You know, I'll suggest we got a look at Bigfoot. 956 00:43:35,867 --> 00:43:38,166 Bigfoot was plastered all over this case, 957 00:43:38,166 --> 00:43:40,300 but that was only in Skip's mind. 958 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:42,867 It was a weak alibi Skip was trying to use. 959 00:43:42,867 --> 00:43:46,100 But I hate to say it it worked. 960 00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:47,667 [Jessica] Because of the belief in Bigfoot 961 00:43:47,667 --> 00:43:49,367 specifically here, 962 00:43:49,367 --> 00:43:51,200 it became less about Theresa 963 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,367 and more about this sensationalist headline. 964 00:43:55,367 --> 00:43:58,400 And I feel like Skip he got away with it. 965 00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,700 [Robert] He got away with it. 966 00:44:01,567 --> 00:44:04,700 We will never know for sure what happened to Theresa Bier. 967 00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:08,000 But most likely Skip took her up to Ghost Canyon. 968 00:44:08,467 --> 00:44:09,967 He used a hook. 969 00:44:09,967 --> 00:44:12,200 Let's go see Bigfoot. 970 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,867 He probably took advantage of Theresa, murdered her, 971 00:44:17,266 --> 00:44:19,266 and then dumped her body somewhere. 972 00:44:20,767 --> 00:44:22,900 In my experience in law enforcement, 973 00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:25,166 humans are always the real monsters. 974 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,266 The system associated with Theresa 975 00:44:31,266 --> 00:44:32,300 in this case failed her. 976 00:44:33,367 --> 00:44:34,967 The social services failed her 977 00:44:34,967 --> 00:44:37,000 the media failed her. 978 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,600 And unfortunately, she never had a chance. 979 00:44:45,867 --> 00:44:49,000 I hope that we were able to bring and shed 980 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,200 some light on this case on her behalf. 981 00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,000 And I hope that does some good 982 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,066 for everybody that was involved in this case. 983 00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:01,367 All those people that are still missing. 984 00:45:01,367 --> 00:45:03,700 I will continue on trying to find answers 985 00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:05,100 to some of the questions. 986 00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:07,567 I don't want to stop investigating 987 00:45:07,567 --> 00:45:09,800 until there's some kind of justice served. 988 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,667 But I will never forget Theresa Bier and this case, 989 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,900 [Jessica] It all boils down to the fact that she mattered. 990 00:45:18,767 --> 00:45:20,800 Theresa Bier matters just as much today 991 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,800 as she did almost 40 years ago when she disappeared. 992 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,100 Theresa got lost in all of this. 993 00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:28,567 But at the end of the day, 994 00:45:28,567 --> 00:45:31,166 she's still a young girl that went missing. 995 00:45:31,166 --> 00:45:33,467 That didn't get the justice she deserved. 996 00:45:33,467 --> 00:45:36,500 We still don't know exactly what happened to her, 997 00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:38,667 but you cannot tell me at this point. 998 00:45:38,667 --> 00:45:42,400 After talking with James, that Skip isn't responsible 999 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,700 for Theresa's disappearance, 1000 00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:46,567 on top of potentially responsible for many 1001 00:45:46,567 --> 00:45:48,166 other women's disappearances. 1002 00:45:48,166 --> 00:45:51,867 There's no doubt in my mind that Skip is responsible. 1003 00:45:51,867 --> 00:45:54,266 For whatever happened to Theresa, 1004 00:45:54,266 --> 00:45:56,867 I think that is well within Skip's wheelhouse. 1005 00:45:57,467 --> 00:45:58,667 At the end of the day, 1006 00:45:58,667 --> 00:46:01,667 I really hope we've done Theresa justice 1007 00:46:01,667 --> 00:46:04,066 in making this a story about Theresa 1008 00:46:04,066 --> 00:46:06,767 and not necessarily a story about Bigfoot.